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Group: S-Trains	Message: 62752	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/1/2011
Subject: Re: AF 740 Handcar--Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62753	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2011
Subject: ABT in AF ebay site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62754	From: Dennis Back	Date: 1/1/2011
Subject: Re: (accepting paypal) ABT in AF ebay site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62755	From: bllamb29	Date: 1/1/2011
Subject: Re: AF 740 Handcar--Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62756	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/1/2011
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62757	From: May Cunningham	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62758	From: aztecfan	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Anamations, it is our turn guys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62759	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Animations it's our turn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62760	From: clayton	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62761	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62762	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: Animations it's our turn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62763	From: May	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Mystery Grease on track.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62764	From: michael prell	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: Flyerville Polka
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62765	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Grease on track.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62766	From: Robert	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Grease on track.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62767	From: Timboy	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: Flyerville Polka ---- Bye-Bye Mr. American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62768	From: Robert	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: flyonel conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62769	From: Robert	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62770	From: Timboy	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: Flyerville Polka
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62771	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: The Big Boy through my double crossover video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62772	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/2/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62773	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: The Big Boy through my double crossover video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62774	From: Bud Rindfleisch	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: flyonel conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62775	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Smoke fluids
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62776	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: Flyerville Polka
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62777	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Grease on track.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62778	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62779	From: May Cunningham	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Grease on track.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62780	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62781	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Grease on track.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62782	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: The Big Boy through my double crossover video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62783	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: The Big Boy through my double crossover video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62784	From: eric	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Is the Chat website down?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62785	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: The Big Boy through my double crossover video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62786	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: The Big Boy through my double crossover video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62787	From: johntech	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: Is the Chat website down?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62788	From: Robert	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62789	From: eric	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: WARNING: S Stuff for sale! round 2.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62790	From: Martin	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: 2010 - Convention Car update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62791	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: Is the Chat website down?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62792	From: Robert	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Grease on track.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62793	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62794	From: Havingfun	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: The Big Boy through my double crossover video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62795	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62796	From: Brady	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62797	From: Michael	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: dcc system
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62798	From: Carey Probst	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: dcc system
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62799	From: rick gough	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Grease on track.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62800	From: nk07083	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Why Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62801	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: Why Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62802	From: Tony Gervasio	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Why Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62803	From: rick gough	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: Why Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62804	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: Is the Chat website down?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62805	From: May Cunningham	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Grease on track.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62806	From: eric	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: Is the Chat website down?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62807	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: Why Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62808	From: Robert	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: Why Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62809	From: Ray Puls	Date: 1/4/2011
Subject: dcc system
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62810	From: Mike Andrzejewski	Date: 1/4/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62811	From: Monte	Date: 1/4/2011
Subject: Re: Why Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62812	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/4/2011
Subject: Re: Why Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62813	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 1/4/2011
Subject: Re: Why Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62814	From: michael prell	Date: 1/4/2011
Subject: Re: Why Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62815	From: Robert	Date: 1/4/2011
Subject: Re: Why Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62816	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/4/2011
Subject: Something wrong?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62817	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/4/2011
Subject: Re: Why Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62818	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/4/2011
Subject: Re: Why Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62819	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/4/2011
Subject: AM uncouplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62820	From: Dennis Back	Date: 1/4/2011
Subject: Re: Something wrong?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62821	From: Thorinn Marty	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Shaping a brass roof
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62822	From: Michael.McConnell	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Why Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62823	From: Monte	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Switching layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62824	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Something wrong?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62825	From: michael prell	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Something wrong?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62826	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Why Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62827	From: Bob Groh	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Switching layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62828	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Switching layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62829	From: Robert	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Something wrong?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62830	From: Robert	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Switching layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62831	From: aztecfan	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: 3 kits I might offer for sale in the future
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62832	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Ordering SHS through local train shop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62833	From: aztecfan	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Down load Drive In intermissions and move trailers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62834	From: aztecfan	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: I up loaded Drive In pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62835	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Ordering SHS through local train shop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62836	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: I up loaded Drive In pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62837	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: I up loaded Drive In pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62838	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Ordering SHS through local train shop
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62839	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: I up loaded Drive In pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62840	From: May	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Too much smoke fluid in engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62841	From: Robert	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: I up loaded Drive In pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62842	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Something wrong...follow up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62843	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Runs Like A Scared Cat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62844	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Too much smoke fluid in engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62845	From: May Cunningham	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Too much smoke fluid in engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62846	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Too much smoke fluid in engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62847	From: rick gough	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: 06 - Re: [S-Trains] Mystery Grease on track.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62848	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Too much smoke fluid in engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62849	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Something wrong?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62850	From: May Cunningham	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: 06 - Re: [S-Trains] Mystery Grease on track.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62851	From: May Cunningham	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Too much smoke fluid in engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62852	From: Ed	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Something wrong?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62853	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Grease on track.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62854	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Grease on track.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62855	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Re: 06 - Re: [S-Trains] Mystery Grease on track.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62856	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Re: 06 - Re: [S-Trains] Mystery Grease on track.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62857	From: Monte	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Re: Switching layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62858	From: Carey Probst	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Re: I up loaded Drive In pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62859	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Re: Too much smoke fluid in engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62860	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Something wrong...follow up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62861	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Re: Switching layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62862	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Miller Motor parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62863	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Re: I up loaded Drive In pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62864	From: Timboy	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62865	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Re: I up loaded Drive In pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62866	From: rick gough	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Re: 06 - Re: [S-Trains] Mystery Grease on track.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62867	From: Robert	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: 06 - Re: [S-Trains] Mystery Grease on track.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62868	From: Robert	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Re: Too much smoke fluid in engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62869	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Re: A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62870	From: Robert	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: -Scale track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62871	From: Ben	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Attic Find!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62872	From: aztecfan	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: A cheap programable $20 MP3 player for sound effects.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62873	From: Robert	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Re: Attic Find!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62874	From: Timboy	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62875	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Re: A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62876	From: Michael Rector	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62877	From: Raul Catta	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Hobby shops in Orlando and Miami
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62878	From: Bob	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Happy New Year From the 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62879	From: Bruce	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Re: Hobby shops in Orlando and Miami
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62880	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Re: Hobby shops in Orlando and Miami
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62881	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Re: A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62882	From: Timboy	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62883	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Population growth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62884	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Layout from 2006 on the floor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62885	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: MTH Bubbling Checkerboard Water Tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62886	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Re: MTH Bubbling Checkerboard Water Tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62887	From: David	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Re: MTH Bubbling Checkerboard Water Tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62888	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Re: Population growth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62889	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: MTH Bubbling Checkerboard Water Tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62890	From: Robert	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62891	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: MTH Bubbling Checkerboard Water Tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62892	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: MTH Bubbling Checkerboard Water Tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62893	From: Thorinn Marty	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: SHS turnouts, a left and a right
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62894	From: Edward	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Great Train Movies ...##########################
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62895	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Great Train Movies ...##########################
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62896	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Great Train Movies ...##########################
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62897	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Great Train Movies ...##########################
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62898	From: navmedguy	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Arrrghhh!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62899	From: Bullybullfrog@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: OSW + S West 6 Coming Soon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62900	From: barb	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62901	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: New Vendors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62902	From: Timboy	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62903	From: Robert	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Arrrghhh!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62904	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: New Vendors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62905	From: william cole	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Great Train Movies ...##########################
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62906	From: Dave Bellian	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Population growth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62907	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Bubbling Water take 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62908	From: grant bishop	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Hobby shops in Orlando and Miami
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62909	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: New Vendors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62910	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Hobby shops in Orlando and Miami
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62911	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62912	From: May Cunningham	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Great Train Movies ...##########################
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62913	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Great Train Movies ...The Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62914	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62915	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62916	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62917	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Checkerboard Water Tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62918	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Checkerboard Water Tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62919	From: Ben Serzo	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Population growth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62920	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Great Train Movies ...The Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62921	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Checkerboard Water Tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62922	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62923	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62924	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: New Vendors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62925	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62926	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62927	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62928	From: Robert	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62929	From: richs009	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62930	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Model Train Magazine Index Returns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62931	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Great Train Movies ...The Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62932	From: Edward	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Bubbling Water take 2........NUTZ
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62933	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62934	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62935	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Great Train Movies ...The Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62936	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62937	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Bubbling Water Tower revisited part 3
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62938	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: New Vendors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62939	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: NEEDED: AF Baldwin Nose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62940	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: MTH Checkeboard Water Tower Good News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62941	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Bubble Lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62942	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Model Train Magazine Index Returns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62943	From: starr007@flash.net	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Front coupler for 4-8-4 (336 etc ) engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62944	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Arrrghhh!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62945	From: Coopers	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Hobby shops in Orlando and Miami
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62946	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Upcoming Events in Lancaster Co, PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62947	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: K-Line trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62948	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: New Vendors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62949	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/9/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62950	From: Gale Hall	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Looking for
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62951	From: Ben	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: AF vs. Lionel- the E-unit game
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62952	From: Dave Bellian	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: AF vs. Lionel- the E-unit game
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62953	From: Ben	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: 343 E-Unit info requested
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62954	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Front coupler on 4-8-4 (336) engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62955	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: 343 E-Unit info requested
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62956	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Great Train Movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62957	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Oops!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62958	From: rj4010d	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Front coupler on 4-8-4 (336) engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62959	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Great Train Movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62960	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: layout on Blog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62961	From: Edward	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Great Train Movies ...##########################
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62962	From: Ben	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Any Amtrak Fans?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62963	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62964	From: Obie Bell	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Great Train Movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62965	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: layout on Blog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62966	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62967	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62968	From: Ben	Date: 1/10/2011
Subject: Crosshead Assembly needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62969	From: workinalure	Date: 1/10/2011
Subject: Re: Hobby shops in Orlando and Miami
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62970	From: Miller, Scott	Date: 1/10/2011
Subject: Re: Front coupler on 4-8-4 (336) engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62971	From: Timboy	Date: 1/10/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62972	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 1/10/2011
Subject: Problems with our listings?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62973	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 1/10/2011
Subject: "S"acto Convention Online Shopping Cart
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62974	From: gil henke	Date: 1/10/2011
Subject: Draw bar for double-heading 4-8-4 Northerns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62975	From: Bruce	Date: 1/10/2011
Subject: Re: Hobby shops in Orlando and Miami
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62976	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/10/2011
Subject: Re: Problems with our listings?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62977	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/10/2011
Subject: Re: Great train movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62978	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/10/2011
Subject: Front coupler on 4-8-4 (336)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62979	From: Robert	Date: 1/10/2011
Subject: Re: Great Train Movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62980	From: Robert	Date: 1/10/2011
Subject: Re: Great Train Movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62981	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 1/11/2011
Subject: FW: X2011 Housing is Open
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62982	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 1/11/2011
Subject: X2011 Housing is Open for the 2011 NASG Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62983	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/11/2011
Subject: AF Lionel engine smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62984	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 1/11/2011
Subject: Re: AF Lionel engine smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62985	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/11/2011
Subject: Re: AF Lionel engine smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62986	From: EDWARD	Date: 1/11/2011
Subject: Flyer Fest West #11
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62987	From: EDWARD	Date: 1/11/2011
Subject: Flyer Fest West #11
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62988	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/11/2011
Subject: Re: 2011 S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62989	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: Re: 2011 S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62990	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: 24416 NW Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62991	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: Re: 24416 NW Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62992	From: afironhorse	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: Where is Fred?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62993	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: Re: 24416 NW Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62994	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: S Scale Layout at the toy museum in Nuremberg
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62995	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62996	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62997	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: Re: Where is Fred?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62998	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 62999	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63000	From: Ken	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: AF 307 engine & tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63001	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: Re: AF 307 engine & tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63002	From: Robert	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: Re: AF 307 engine & tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63003	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: Re: AF 307 engine & tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63004	From: Robert	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: Scenery material suitable for most any scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63005	From: race944t	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Do your Jeeps say "Jeep"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63006	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: "S"acto Convention Tour/Banquet Signup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63007	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Re: Where is Fred?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63008	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Re: AF 307 engine & tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63009	From: David Haslauer	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Re: Where is Fred?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63010	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63011	From: Donald Abrams	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: 764 talking express office?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63012	From: Donald Abrams	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63013	From: Raul Catta	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Hobby shops in Orlando and Miami
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63014	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Re: 764 talking express office?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63015	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: X2011 Housing is Open
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63016	From: ac312	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Re: 764 talking express office?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63017	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Re: 764 talking express office?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63018	From: rick gough	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Re: 764 talking express office?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63019	From: Ed	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Re: 764 talking express office?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63020	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Re: 764 talking express office?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63021	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Re: 764 talking express office?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63022	From: Al	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Train Movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63023	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Boys RR Club Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63024	From: DarylO	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: "Talking" Express Office
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63025	From: Ed	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Re: "Talking" Express Office
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63026	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: Train Movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63027	From: michael prell	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: Boys RR Club Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63028	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: 764 talking express office?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63029	From: barb	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Curb abd sidewalk question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63030	From: David	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: Curb abd sidewalk question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63031	From: Obe	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: 764 talking express office?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63032	From: Robert	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: Train Movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63033	From: The Reardon's	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: Curb abd sidewalk question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63034	From: The Reardon's	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: Curb abd sidewalk question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63035	From: richs009	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: Curb abd sidewalk question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63036	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: Curb abd sidewalk question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63037	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Train Movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63038	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: Curb abd sidewalk question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63039	From: Boxcarmike464	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: Train Movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63040	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: 764 talking express office?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63041	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: Curb abd sidewalk question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63042	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: Train Movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63043	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: Train Movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63044	From: michael prell	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: Train Movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63045	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: 764 talking express office?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63046	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: Curb abd sidewalk question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63047	From: Herbert	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: Great train movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63048	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: The Day The Earth Stood Still
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63049	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Train Show Sunday, Troy Michigan
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63050	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: The Day The Earth Stood Still
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63051	From: snottpuppy124	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Power To The People
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63052	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: Power To The People
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63053	From: Carey Probst	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: Power To The People
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63054	From: Timboy	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63055	From: David	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: Power To The People
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63056	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: Power To The People
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63057	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: Power To The People
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63058	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: Power To The People
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63059	From: Larry Asp	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: Train Show Sunday, Troy Michigan
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63060	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: Power To The People
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63061	From: David	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: Power To The People
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63062	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: The Day the Earth Stood Still
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63063	From: Keith Thompson	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: 326 driver fix
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63064	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Need Don Rosa's new email (af2rail@comcast.net)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63065	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: The Day the Earth Stood Still
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63066	From: Robert	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: Power To The People
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63067	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/16/2011
Subject: Re: 326 driver fix
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63068	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 1/16/2011
Subject: Re: Power To The People
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63069	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 1/16/2011
Subject: New D&RGW Pa's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63070	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/16/2011
Subject: Re: Power To The People
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63071	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/16/2011
Subject: Re: New D&RGW Pa's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63072	From: michael prell	Date: 1/16/2011
Subject: Re: Power To The People
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63073	From: michael prell	Date: 1/16/2011
Subject: Re: The Day the Earth Stood Still
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63074	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 1/16/2011
Subject: speaking of streets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63075	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: GP-7 Demonstrator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63076	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/16/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63077	From: gigeastman	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: 18B Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63078	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: British S gauge cars for Thomas?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63079	From: David	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Sidewalks Kit in "S" for Barb & others
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63080	From: Donald Keil	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Re: British S gauge cars for Thomas?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63081	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Re: GP-7 Demonstrator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63082	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Re: Front coupler on 4-8-4 (336) engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63083	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Re: Front coupler for 4-8-4 (336 etc ) engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63084	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Re: 18B Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63085	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: ONLINE SHOPPING CART is open for business.............."S"acto tours
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63086	From: David	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: "S" Sidewalk Kits for Barb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63087	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: The Day the Earth Stood Still
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63088	From: Tom	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Re: 326 driver fix
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63089	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Re: 18B Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63090	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Re: 18B Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63091	From: richs009	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Re: Curb abd sidewalk question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63092	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Re: 18B Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63093	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Re: D&RGW Pa's.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63094	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63095	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: "S"acto Convention Stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63096	From: gigeastman	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Re: 18B Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63097	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Email off list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63098	From: Ray Puls	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Thomas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63099	From: Keith Thompson	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: 326 driver fix
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63100	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Fw: Great use for Ford Consul
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63101	From: s-nut	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Plano,Texas train show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63102	From: John M	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63103	From: ron plyler	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: 293 style pacfic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63104	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: Transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63105	From: Robert	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: Transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63106	From: Herbert	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: Transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63107	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: S n S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63108	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: SnS Web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63109	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: S n S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63110	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: S n S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63111	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: SnS Web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63112	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: "S"chedule of S-oriented events at "S"acto.....(aka X2011)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63113	From: Robert	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: S n S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63114	From: Robert	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: SnS Web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63115	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: S n S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63116	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: S n S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63117	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: SnS Web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63118	From: Timboy	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63119	From: Robert	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63120	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: SnS Web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63121	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63122	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: sidewalks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63123	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: 2 years, 2 Months, and not sure how many days.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63124	From: Timboy	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63125	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63126	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} "S"chedule of S-oriented events at "S"acto.....(a
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63127	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63128	From: Robert	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: SnS Web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63129	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63130	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: S n S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63131	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: 326 Driver fix--soldered wire
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63132	From: Michael Rector	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63133	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: Email off list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63134	From: Carey Probst	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: SnS Web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63135	From: Tom	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63136	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: British S gauge cars for Thomas?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63137	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: SnS Web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63138	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: British S gauge cars for Thomas?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63139	From: cvlk	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Letter to American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63140	From: Jerry	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: 293 style pacfic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63141	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Turntable "S"tuff for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63142	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: 293 style pacfic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63143	From: Timboy	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63144	From: Brady	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Poath Junction Archival Films
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63145	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63146	From: David Engle	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: Letter to American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63147	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Improvements for the American Flyer Displays website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63148	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: Poath Junction Archival Films
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63149	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: Email off list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63150	From: Robert	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: Poath Junction Archival Films
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63151	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2011
Subject: 346 4-Step E-unit Pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63152	From: Bruce	Date: 1/20/2011
Subject: Re: 293 style pacfic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63153	From: cvlk	Date: 1/20/2011
Subject: Re: Letter to American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63154	From: Tom	Date: 1/20/2011
Subject: Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63155	From: Dave Bellian	Date: 1/20/2011
Subject: Vehicles for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63156	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 1/20/2011
Subject: "S"acto......Sn3 West Side Lumber Tuolumne Module
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63157	From: Robert	Date: 1/20/2011
Subject: Re: 293 style pacfic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63158	From: Robert	Date: 1/20/2011
Subject: BK turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63159	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/21/2011
Subject: Re: BK turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63160	From: ken garber	Date: 1/21/2011
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5159
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63161	From: grant bishop	Date: 1/21/2011
Subject: Re: "S"acto......Sn3 West Side Lumber Tuolumne Module
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63162	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 1/21/2011
Subject: Re: 293 style pacfic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63163	From: richs009	Date: 1/21/2011
Subject: Re: 293 style pacfic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63164	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 1/21/2011
Subject: Re: 293 style pacfic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63165	From: Robert	Date: 1/21/2011
Subject: Re: BK turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63166	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 1/21/2011
Subject: Re: 293 style pacfic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63167	From: Ben	Date: 1/21/2011
Subject: How to repair a "7210" floodlight car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63168	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 1/22/2011
Subject: Re: How to repair a "7210" floodlight car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63169	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/22/2011
Subject: Re: How to repair a "7210" floodlight car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63170	From: Ben	Date: 1/22/2011
Subject: Re: How to repair a "7210" floodlight car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63171	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2011
Subject: 21099 Drw Bar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63172	From: Timboy	Date: 1/22/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63173	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/22/2011
Subject: Re: 346 4-Step E-unit Pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63174	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/22/2011
Subject: Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63175	From: Tom	Date: 1/22/2011
Subject: Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63176	From: Al	Date: 1/22/2011
Subject: Thomas the Tank Engine - Running since 2006
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63177	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/22/2011
Subject: Baseball Field
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63178	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2011
Subject: Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63179	From: jaay_st	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: Slow running train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63180	From: Timboy	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: Re: Baseball Field
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63181	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: Re: 346 4-Step E-unit Pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63182	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: Re: Baseball Field
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63183	From: Al	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: Kudos to Steve Blackburn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63184	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: Re: Kudos to Steve Blackburn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63185	From: Robert	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: Re: Slow running train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63186	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/23/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63187	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: Re: Slow running train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63188	From: wmfadamsny1	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: Stickey Link Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63189	From: rick gough	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: Re: Stickey Link Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63190	From: Brian Snook	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: Re: Stickey Link Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63191	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: Re: Kudos to Steve Blackburn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63192	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: Re: Stickey Link Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63193	From: alsflyer	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: American Flyer for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63194	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: Tender pick-ups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63195	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/24/2011
Subject: Thomas the Tank Engine--Running Since 2004
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63196	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 1/24/2011
Subject: Re: Stickey Link Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63197	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 1/24/2011
Subject: Re: Stickey Link Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63198	From: Robert	Date: 1/24/2011
Subject: Re: Slow running train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63199	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 1/24/2011
Subject: Re: Stickey Link Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63200	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/24/2011
Subject: Re: Thomas the Tank Engine--Running Since 2004
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63201	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/24/2011
Subject: Re: Thomas the Tank Engine--Running Since 2004
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63202	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/24/2011
Subject: Re: Stickey Link Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63203	From: Glenn	Date: 1/25/2011
Subject: PVMR TRAINS TO PARADISE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63204	From: Robert	Date: 1/25/2011
Subject: Tie Stain
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63205	From: race944t	Date: 1/25/2011
Subject: Do your Jeeps say "Jeep" 2nd request.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63206	From: Robert	Date: 1/25/2011
Subject: Re: Tie Stain
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63207	From: race944t	Date: 1/25/2011
Subject: Old 660/361 Chrome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63208	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 1/25/2011
Subject: Re: Thomas the Tank Engine--Running Since 2004
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63209	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/25/2011
Subject: mermaid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63210	From: cvlk	Date: 1/25/2011
Subject: Re: Old 660/361 Chrome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63211	From: ceejay902003	Date: 1/25/2011
Subject: Wilbur Farley.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63212	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/25/2011
Subject: Re: Old 660/361 Chrome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63213	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/25/2011
Subject: Re: 21099 Drw Bar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63214	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/25/2011
Subject: Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63215	From: David	Date: 1/25/2011
Subject: Installing Roads & Parking Lots - Video Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63216	From: David	Date: 1/25/2011
Subject: Re: mermaid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63217	From: Timboy	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Tie Stain
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63218	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Old 660/361 Chrome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63219	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Do your Jeeps say "Jeep" 2nd request.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63220	From: EDWARD	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Do your Jeeps say "Jeep" 2nd request.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63221	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Do your Jeeps say "Jeep" 2nd request.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63222	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Old 660/361 Chrome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63223	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Do your Jeeps say "Jeep" 2nd request.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63224	From: lumglum	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: 27 ohm smoke element
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63225	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Table Skirt
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63226	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Table Skirt
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63227	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Old 660/361 Chrome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63228	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: 27 ohm smoke element
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63229	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Table Skirt
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63230	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Table Skirt
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63231	From: rick gough	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Old 660/361 Chrome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63232	From: David	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Tracie's Table Skirt
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63233	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: British S gauge cars for Thomas?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63234	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Table Skirt
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63235	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Tracie's Table Skirt
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63236	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Table Skirt
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63237	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Table Skirt
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63238	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Table Skirt
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63239	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Do your Jeeps say "Jeep" 2nd request.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63240	From: Howard	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Stripping&Repainting Boiler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63241	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Do your Jeeps say "Jeep" 2nd request.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63242	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Stripping&Repainting Boiler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63243	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Do your Jeeps say "Jeep" 2nd request.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63244	From: JOHN and CAROL	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Stripping&Repainting Boiler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63245	From: frabilz	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Stripping&Repainting Boiler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63246	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Stripping&Repainting Boiler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63247	From: Robert	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Stripping&Repainting Boiler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63248	From: Carey Probst	Date: 1/27/2011
Subject: Re: Tracie's Table Skirt
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63249	From: Howard	Date: 1/27/2011
Subject: Stripping&Repainting boiler. Thanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63250	From: rick gough	Date: 1/27/2011
Subject: Re: Stripping&Repainting boiler. Thanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63251	From: Robert	Date: 1/27/2011
Subject: Ballast Cement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63252	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/27/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63253	From: Al	Date: 1/27/2011
Subject: Pinesol
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63254	From: Robert	Date: 1/27/2011
Subject: Re: Pinesol
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63255	From: Robert	Date: 1/27/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63256	From: David	Date: 1/27/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63257	From: Bruce	Date: 1/27/2011
Subject: Re: Do your Jeeps say "Jeep" 2nd request.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63258	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/27/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63259	From: Carey Probst	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63260	From: zemouse2001	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63261	From: race944t	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: Do your Jeeps say "Jeep" FINAL ANSWER IS . . .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63262	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63263	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63264	From: Robert	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63265	From: Robert	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63266	From: Carey Probst	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63267	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63268	From: Robert	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63269	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: BLATENT AD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63270	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63271	From: David	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: DHMO Presentation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63272	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: DHMO Presentation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63273	From: Brady	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: Stickey Link Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63274	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63275	From: Howard	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: K5 Pacific I.D.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63276	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: It'll rust your pipes.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63277	From: Robert	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: It'll rust your pipes.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63278	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: K5 Pacific I.D.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63279	From: Robert	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63280	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: BIG BOY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63281	From: David	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Ballast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63282	From: gettysburg9	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Marx Bubbling tower bulb?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63283	From: Edward	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Possible FAKE or Real thing.........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63284	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: DHMO Presentation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63285	From: Edward	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Possible FAKE or Real thing.........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63286	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: K5 Pacific I.D.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63287	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: Possible FAKE or Real thing.........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63288	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: BIG BOY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63289	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: BIG BOY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63290	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63291	From: Timboy	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63292	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: K5 Pacific I.D.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63293	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63294	From: Mike	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Best way to deak with stripped screws on plastic shells?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63295	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: BIG BOY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63296	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63297	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: Best way to deal with stripped screws on plastic shells?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63298	From: David	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: Best way to deal with stripped screws on plastic shells?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63299	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: Best way to deal with stripped screws on plastic shells?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63300	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: Best way to deal with stripped screws on plastic shells?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63301	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Tracks Ahead
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63302	From: Mike	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: Best way to deal with stripped screws on plastic shells?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63303	From: mike boyd	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: Best way to deal with stripped screws on plastic shells?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63304	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Penn State S Helper Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63305	From: Mike	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: Best way to deal with stripped screws on plastic shells?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63306	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: K5 Pacific I.D.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63307	From: Timboy	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: Tracks Ahead
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63308	From: MikeS	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63309	From: johntech	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: Tracks Ahead
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63310	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: Tracks Ahead
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63311	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: Tracks Ahead
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63312	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: Tracks Ahead
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63313	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63314	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: Tracks Ahead
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63315	From: Carey Probst	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: Best way to deal with stripped screws on plastic shells?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63316	From: Walter Jopke	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: K5 Pacific I.D.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63317	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: Tracks Ahead
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63318	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: K5 Pacific I.D.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63319	From: Randall Griggs	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: Best way to deal with stripped screws on plastic shells?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63320	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Classic AF Trains Available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63321	From: Timboy	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63322	From: John Degnan	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: STILL HUNTING : FOX Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63323	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/30/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63324	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: K5 Pacific I.D.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63325	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: K5 Pacific I.D.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63326	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: help me identify this boxcar shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63327	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Washington (Old Timer) Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63328	From: Gale Hall	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: help me identify this boxcar shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63329	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: help me identify this boxcar shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63330	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: help me identify this boxcar shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63331	From: rj4010d	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: TPC 400
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63332	From: Timboy	Date: 1/31/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63333	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/31/2011
Subject: Re: help me identify this boxcar shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63334	From: Lou Templeton	Date: 1/31/2011
Subject: Re: TPC 400
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63335	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/31/2011
Subject: Re: laser cut stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63336	From: Timboy	Date: 1/31/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63337	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/31/2011
Subject: Re: TPC 400
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63338	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/31/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63339	From: Brady	Date: 1/31/2011
Subject: Flyer Layout on Tracks Ahead
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63340	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/31/2011
Subject: Re: help me identify this boxcar shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63341	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 2/1/2011
Subject: Re: Flyer Layout on Tracks Ahead
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63342	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 2/1/2011
Subject: Re: help me identify this boxcar shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63343	From: Jerry	Date: 2/1/2011
Subject: Re: help me identify this boxcar shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63344	From: Timboy	Date: 2/1/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63345	From: Carey Probst	Date: 2/1/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63346	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 2/1/2011
Subject: 30b Transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63347	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/1/2011
Subject: Lionel 6000 series boxcars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63348	From: afjerryk5	Date: 2/1/2011
Subject: Lionel boxcar conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63349	From: Brady	Date: 2/1/2011
Subject: Mail Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63350	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/1/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63351	From: Robert Conner	Date: 2/2/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63352	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/2/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63353	From: Robert	Date: 2/2/2011
Subject: American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63354	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 2/2/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63355	From: The Reardon's	Date: 2/2/2011
Subject: Re: American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63356	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/2/2011
Subject: Re: American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63357	From: David	Date: 2/2/2011
Subject: Rolling Brown-Outs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63358	From: Stan S.	Date: 2/2/2011
Subject: Re: American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63359	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 2/2/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel boxcar conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63360	From: Timboy	Date: 2/2/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63361	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/2/2011
Subject: Re: American Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63362	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/2/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63363	From: Brady	Date: 2/3/2011
Subject: Homer Henry's Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63364	From: johntech	Date: 2/3/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63365	From: Timboy	Date: 2/3/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63366	From: Grumpy	Date: 2/3/2011
Subject: 50% off decal sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63367	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/4/2011
Subject: Re: 50% off decal sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63368	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/4/2011
Subject: 50% Off Decal Sale--HUMOR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63369	From: Robert Conner	Date: 2/4/2011
Subject: Re: 50% Off Decal Sale--HUMOR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63370	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/4/2011
Subject: Re: 50% Off Decal Sale--HUMOR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63371	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 2/4/2011
Subject: FIVE RR Events in Sacramento.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63372	From: Martin A. Johnson	Date: 2/4/2011
Subject: Re: Homer Henry's Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63373	From: timstrains2000	Date: 2/4/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63374	From: Donald Keil	Date: 2/4/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63375	From: Timboy	Date: 2/5/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63376	From: rj4010d	Date: 2/5/2011
Subject: Re: TPC 400
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63377	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/5/2011
Subject: AF Timeline
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63378	From: tbennerohio	Date: 2/5/2011
Subject: TMCC SC1 vs SC2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63379	From: navmedguy	Date: 2/5/2011
Subject: K4 Shorting Out, using Cruise commander
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63380	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 2/5/2011
Subject: Re: K4 Shorting Out, using Cruise commander
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63381	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/5/2011
Subject: Re: K4 Shorting Out, using Cruise commander
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63382	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 2/5/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC SC1 vs SC2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63383	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 2/6/2011
Subject: Re: AF Timeline
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63384	From: navmedguy	Date: 2/6/2011
Subject: Re: K4 Shorting Out, using Cruise commander
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63385	From: navmedguy	Date: 2/6/2011
Subject: Re: K4 Shorting Out, using Cruise commander
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63386	From: tbennerohio	Date: 2/6/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC SC1 vs SC2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63387	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/6/2011
Subject: Re: AF Timeline
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63388	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 2/6/2011
Subject: Re: AF Timeline
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63389	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/6/2011
Subject: Re: AF Timeline
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63390	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 2/6/2011
Subject: Re: AF Timeline
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63391	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/6/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/6/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63392	From: Herbert	Date: 2/6/2011
Subject: Re: AF Timeline
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63393	From: Jerry	Date: 2/6/2011
Subject: American Models, China, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63394	From: rapidrail1	Date: 2/7/2011
Subject: Re: American Models, China, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63395	From: rapidrail1	Date: 2/7/2011
Subject: Re: American Models, China, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63396	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/7/2011
Subject: Re: TPC 400
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63397	From: Brady	Date: 2/7/2011
Subject: TrucTrain Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63398	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 2/7/2011
Subject: Re: TrucTrain Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63399	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/7/2011
Subject: Re: TrucTrain Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63400	From: John Degnan	Date: 2/8/2011
Subject: Re: [nasgmembers] Big Boy and UP Heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63401	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2011
Subject: Big Boy and UP Heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63402	From: Scott	Date: 2/8/2011
Subject: Flyer Lift Out Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63403	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/8/2011
Subject: Re: Flyer Lift Out Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63404	From: michael prell	Date: 2/8/2011
Subject: Re: AF Timeline
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63405	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/8/2011
Subject: Reading/CNJ Urethane roofs for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63406	From: Timboy	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63407	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: M2 50s vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63408	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63409	From: Rhett George	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: Re: Flyer Lift Out Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63410	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: Re: Flyer Lift Out Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63411	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63412	From: David	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63413	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: 48136 SF B unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63414	From: richs009	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: Re: Flyer Lift Out Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63415	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63416	From: Brady	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: Re: TrucTrain Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63417	From: Brady	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: Re: TrucTrain Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63418	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: Re: 48136 SF B unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63419	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: Re: TrucTrain Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63420	From: tbennerohio	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: electronic reverse unit in SIT Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63421	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: Re: electronic reverse unit in SIT Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63422	From: Obie Bell	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: 48136 SF B unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63423	From: David	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63424	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63425	From: rick gough	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63426	From: David	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63427	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63428	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63429	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63430	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63431	From: Brady	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: TrucTrain Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63432	From: Jerry	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63433	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63434	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Fwd: Question About S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63435	From: Jerry	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63436	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Train Find
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63437	From: David	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63438	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63439	From: Tony Gervasio	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: Train Find
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63440	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63441	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: Fwd: Question About S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63442	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: Fwd: Question About S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63443	From: Jerry	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63444	From: Alan Evans	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: S Spree is April 29 and 30
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63445	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: Fwd: Question About S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63446	From: Martin A. Johnson	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles - Flames
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63447	From: David	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles - Flames
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63448	From: Robert Conner	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: Train Find
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63449	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Fw: Set 20209
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63450	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: Fwd: Question About S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63451	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Set 20209
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63452	From: EDWARD ECKERT	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Set 20209
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63453	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Fw: Set 20209
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63454	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Set 20209
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63455	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Set 20209
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63456	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles - Flames
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63457	From: tbennerohio	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: electronic reverse unit in SIT Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63458	From: David	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: M2 Flamed Tow Trucks - Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63459	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: Fwd: Question About S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63460	From: Brady	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63461	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Set 20209
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63462	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: Fwd: Question About S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63463	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Question about S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63464	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/12/2011
Subject: Re: A QUESTION ABOUT S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63465	From: Alan Evans	Date: 2/12/2011
Subject: Absentee vendors at the Spring S Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63466	From: Martin A. Johnson	Date: 2/12/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles - Flames
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63467	From: Brady	Date: 2/12/2011
Subject: Re: Flyer Lift Out Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63468	From: Timboy	Date: 2/12/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63469	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 2/12/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Set 20209
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63470	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 2/13/2011
Subject: Borden Milk Car (0-27 Conversion)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63471	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/13/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/13/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63472	From: Timboy	Date: 2/13/2011
Subject: Re: Borden Milk Car (0-27 Conversion)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63473	From: rapidrail1	Date: 2/14/2011
Subject: Re: Borden Milk Car (0-27 Conversion)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63474	From: Monte	Date: 2/14/2011
Subject: Thank you Walt
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63475	From: Martin A. Johnson	Date: 2/14/2011
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/13/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63476	From: Ken	Date: 2/14/2011
Subject: Re: Thanks to all who made suggestions for my slow 293 loco and need
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63477	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/14/2011
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/13/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63478	From: ctbigboy	Date: 2/14/2011
Subject: American "S" Gauge Switch Power Routing using a Trak-DTRL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63479	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/14/2011
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/13/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63480	From: afironhorse	Date: 2/14/2011
Subject: How do you clean plastic cars with the white grud on it??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63481	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: How do you clean plastic cars with the white grud on it??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63482	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: We Needs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63483	From: Brady	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: S Gauge Lionel Fastrack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63484	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: How do you clean plastic cars with the white grud on it??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63485	From: Larry Asp	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: How do you clean plastic cars with the white grud on it??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63486	From: afironhorse	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Question about a K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63487	From: David Haslauer	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: How do you clean plastic cars with the white grud on it??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63488	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: 1970s single trailer flatcar / TOFC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63489	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63490	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Rising prices on S-Helper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63491	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63492	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63493	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: We Needs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63494	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: How do you clean plastic cars with the white grud on it?? Corrected
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63495	From: Bruce	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63496	From: Robert Conner	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63497	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63498	From: Bruce	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63499	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63500	From: Robert Conner	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63501	From: Al	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63502	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: Rising prices on S-Helper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63503	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2011
Subject: Rising prices on S-Helper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63504	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 2/16/2011
Subject: Re: 05 - Re: [S-Trains] Question about a K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63505	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/16/2011
Subject: Re: We needs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63506	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 2/16/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63507	From: David Haslauer	Date: 2/16/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63508	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 2/16/2011
Subject: 310 & 312 SIT boiler shells
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63509	From: Bruce	Date: 2/16/2011
Subject: Re: 05 - Re: [S-Trains] Question about a K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63510	From: David Haslauer	Date: 2/16/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63511	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/16/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63512	From: rick gough	Date: 2/16/2011
Subject: Re: 05 - Re: [S-Trains] Question about a K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63513	From: Timboy	Date: 2/16/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63514	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 2/16/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63515	From: David Haslauer	Date: 2/16/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63516	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/16/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63517	From: Herbert	Date: 2/17/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63518	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/17/2011
Subject: Question about K-5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63519	From: MikeS	Date: 2/17/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63520	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/17/2011
Subject: Re: Question about K-5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63521	From: cvlk	Date: 2/17/2011
Subject: Re: Question about K-5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63522	From: Thorin	Date: 2/17/2011
Subject: Re: Flyer Lift Out Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63523	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 2/17/2011
Subject: Possible answer to Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63524	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 2/17/2011
Subject: Re: Possible answer to Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63525	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/17/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63526	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/17/2011
Subject: Two train control on one track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63527	From: Herbert	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: Two train control on one track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63528	From: Robert	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: An inspirational idea
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63529	From: Robert	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Previous posting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63530	From: Bob	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: Two train control on one track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63531	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63532	From: Timboy	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: AC vs. DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63533	From: Carey Probst	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: Two train control on one track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63534	From: Timboy	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63535	From: michael prell	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63536	From: Carey Probst	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63537	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63538	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63539	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63540	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63541	From: richs009	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63542	From: Timboy	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63543	From: Robert Conner	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63544	From: richs009	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63545	From: David	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63546	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/19/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63547	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/19/2011
Subject: Re: Two train control on one track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63548	From: Robert	Date: 2/19/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63549	From: Timboy	Date: 2/19/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63550	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/19/2011
Subject: Train Show in Michigan
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63551	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/19/2011
Subject: An inspirational idea & track miles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63552	From: SSabino39@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63553	From: Timboy	Date: 2/19/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63554	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/19/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea & track miles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63555	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 2/19/2011
Subject: Cardstock Buildings in S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63556	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/19/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea & track miles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63557	From: barb	Date: 2/19/2011
Subject: Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 5190
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63558	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/20/2011
Subject: An inspirational idea & track miles PS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63559	From: Eric	Date: 2/20/2011
Subject: Extra stuff for sale........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63560	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2011
Subject: ALLENTOWN Train Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63561	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/20/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea & track miles PS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63562	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/20/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/20/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63563	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/20/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea & track miles PS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63564	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 2/20/2011
Subject: 732 Baggage door
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63565	From: Theodore Weiler	Date: 2/20/2011
Subject: Re: 732 Baggage door
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63566	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2011
Subject: Re: 732 Baggage door
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63567	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/20/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea & track miles PS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63568	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: 732 Baggage door
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63569	From: richs009	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea & track miles PS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63570	From: Bob Moyer	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: 732 Baggage door
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63571	From: afironhorse	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Royal Blue - early or later version
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63572	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: Royal Blue - early or later version
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63573	From: Timboy	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63574	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: Royal Blue - early or later version
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63575	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: lighted cars shorting out
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63576	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: lighted cars shorting out
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63577	From: jshannon148	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63578	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Exploded views
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63579	From: ron plyler	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: lighted cars shorting out
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63580	From: David	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: What Happens When You Get a Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63581	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63582	From: Robert Conner	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: Exploded views
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63583	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: What Happens When You Get a Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63584	From: preardon4girls	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Seattle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63585	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: Exploded views
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63586	From: Timboy	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63587	From: David	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Road Construction Helicopter View Video Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63588	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: Seattle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63589	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea & track miles PS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63590	From: Edward	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: Seattle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63591	From: Michael.McConnell	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: South Jersey S Gauger's layout display
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63592	From: David Haslauer	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: What Happens When You Get a Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63593	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63594	From: Herbert	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea & track miles PS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63595	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea & track miles PS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63596	From: richs009	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea & track miles PS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63597	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Re: Eastside
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63598	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Re: Nat Polk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63599	From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Re: lighted cars shorting out
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63600	From: The Reardon's	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Re: Seattle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63601	From: Timboy	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Re: Road Construction Helicopter View Video Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63602	From: Bob	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Important Announcement Regarding the 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63603	From: Larry Asp	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Re: Seattle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63604	From: Bob Groh	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63605	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Re: Seattle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63606	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Digest Number 7474--CORRECTION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63607	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea & track miles PS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63608	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea & track miles PS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63609	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea & track miles PS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63610	From: David	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Helicopter Layout Video - Scavenger Hunt
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63611	From: Robert	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Store Layouts/Displays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63612	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Age of Steam Roundhouse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63613	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 2/23/2011
Subject: SEEBURGER ESTATE --plastic box cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63614	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 2/23/2011
Subject: SEEBURGER ESTATE -- plastic tank cars, flat cars and hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63615	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 2/23/2011
Subject: SEEBURGER ESTATE -- gondolas, reefers, cylindrical hoppers, structur
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63616	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 2/23/2011
Subject: SEEBURGER ESTATE -- Pacific Rail Shops (PRS) plastic box car KITS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63617	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 2/23/2011
Subject: SEEBURGER ESTATE -- plastic gondolas, reefers, cylindrical hoppers,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63618	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/23/2011
Subject: Danbury RR Museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63619	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/23/2011
Subject: Age of Stream Roundhouse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63620	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 2/23/2011
Subject: Re: Danbury RR Museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63621	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: Danbury RR Museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63622	From: Jim	Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Adding motor to B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63623	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gauger's layout display
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63624	From: DennisC	Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: Danbury RR Museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63625	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: Danbury RR Museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63626	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63627	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63628	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63629	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: Danbury RR Museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63630	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63631	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63632	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63633	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Danbury RR Museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63634	From: Timboy	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63635	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63636	From: tbennerohio	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63637	From: Ray Puls	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: adding motor to B unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63638	From: lumglum	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: # 809
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63639	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63640	From: Timboy	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63641	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Borden's Condensed Milk Factory
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63642	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: # 809
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63643	From: Scott	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Pullmor and Showcase Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63644	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: club convention cars for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63645	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63646	From: rick gough	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63647	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63648	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: adding motor to B unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63649	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63650	From: David	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63651	From: Timboy	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63652	From: Robert	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Hobby Shops now gone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63653	From: Robert	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63654	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Pull- Mor and Showcase track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63655	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Pull- Mor and Showcase track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63656	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63657	From: tbennerohio	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Sound in an AF 360 - 364
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63658	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63659	From: Timboy	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63660	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63661	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: Pullmor and Showcase Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63662	From: Carey Probst	Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63663	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63664	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: U.P. RR padlocks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63665	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63666	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Pullmor and Showcase Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63667	From: rick gough	Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63668	From: Brady	Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63669	From: tbennerohio	Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63670	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63671	From: Ray Puls	Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: Pullmore and Showcase track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63672	From: Ray Puls	Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: adding motor to B-unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63673	From: Bob A	Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63674	From: Bob Anson	Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: Re: FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63675	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: Re: FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63676	From: Eric	Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: FOR SALE - S Helper Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63677	From: Bob Anson	Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: Re: FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63678	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/27/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63679	From: Ken	Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63680	From: Michael.McConnell	Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: South Jersey S Gaugers "Switching" siding.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63681	From: charlie and edith	Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: Accessory Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63682	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/28/2011
Subject: LotS of S for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63683	From: aztecfan	Date: 2/28/2011
Subject: AF Standard Gauge Red Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63684	From: zemouse2001	Date: 2/28/2011
Subject: Re: Accessory Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63685	From: roninscho9	Date: 2/28/2011
Subject: Re: Pullmor and Showcase Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63686	From: Timboy	Date: 2/28/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63687	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/28/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63688	From: Scott	Date: 2/28/2011
Subject: Seuthe Smoke Units and Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63689	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 2/28/2011
Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gauger's layout display
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63690	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2011
Subject: 24558 CP Flat for sale L/N
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63691	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 2/28/2011
Subject: Free S Scale scale/scalehouse kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63692	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2011
Subject: Re: Seuthe Smoke Units and Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63693	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/28/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63694	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/28/2011
Subject: Re: Seuthe smoke units & Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63695	From: Timboy	Date: 2/28/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63696	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: Free S Scale scale/scalehouse kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63697	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: Seuthe Smoke Units and Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63698	From: Scott	Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: Pullmor and Showcase Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63699	From: Scott	Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: Seuthe smoke units & Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63700	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: Pullmor and Showcase Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63701	From: Bob A	Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: FOR SALE items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63702	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: Seuthe smoke units & Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63703	From: Scott	Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: Seuthe Smoke Units and Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63704	From: Scott	Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: Pullmor and Showcase Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63705	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: Pullmor and Showcase Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63706	From: Scott	Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: Seuthe smoke units & Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63707	From: Scott	Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: Pullmor and Showcase Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63708	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Franklin Smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63709	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: Pullmor and Showcase Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63710	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/2/2011
Subject: Re: Pullmor and Showcase Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63711	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/2/2011
Subject: Re: Seuthe Smoke Units and Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63712	From: Bob A	Date: 3/2/2011
Subject: For Sale items are SOLD thanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63713	From: Brady	Date: 3/2/2011
Subject: Re: Free S Scale scale/scalehouse kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63714	From: charlie and edith	Date: 3/2/2011
Subject: Accessory Question, Thank You
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63715	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/2/2011
Subject: Re: Free S Scale scale/scalehouse kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63716	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/2/2011
Subject: Re: Accessory Question, Thank You
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63717	From: race944t	Date: 3/2/2011
Subject: Various talking station records
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63718	From: Herbert	Date: 3/3/2011
Subject: Re: Various talking station records
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63719	From: Dave	Date: 3/3/2011
Subject: KC Truck Side Frame Replacements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63720	From: Scott	Date: 3/3/2011
Subject: Re: Seuthe Smoke Units and Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63721	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/3/2011
Subject: Re: Various talking station records
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63722	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/3/2011
Subject: Re: GateMan Accessory Question, Thank You
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63723	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/3/2011
Subject: Re: Free S Scale scale/scalehouse kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63724	From: charlie and edith	Date: 3/3/2011
Subject: Re: Accessory Question, Thank You
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63725	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/4/2011
Subject: Re: Accessory Question, Thank You
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63726	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2011
Subject: Re: Accessory Question, Thank You
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63727	From: CyberSavant	Date: 3/4/2011
Subject: trying to find streetcars in S-Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63728	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/4/2011
Subject: Re: Various talking station records
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63729	From: Herbert	Date: 3/4/2011
Subject: Re: Various talking station records
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63730	From: Scott	Date: 3/4/2011
Subject: Lionel Reversing Handcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63731	From: cvlk	Date: 3/4/2011
Subject: Re: trying to find streetcars in S-Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63732	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 3/4/2011
Subject: Re: trying to find streetcars in S-Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63733	From: Jerry	Date: 3/4/2011
Subject: Re: trying to find streetcars in S-Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63734	From: rick gough	Date: 3/4/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel Reversing Handcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63735	From: The Reardon's	Date: 3/4/2011
Subject: Re: trying to find streetcars in S-Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63736	From: Bud Rindfleisch	Date: 3/4/2011
Subject: soliciting interst for a Milwaukee Road ribside boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63737	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/4/2011
Subject: Re: Various talking station records
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63738	From: johntech	Date: 3/5/2011
Subject: Re: Free S Scale scale/scalehouse kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63739	From: Herbert	Date: 3/5/2011
Subject: Re: Various talking station records
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63740	From: Herbert	Date: 3/5/2011
Subject: Re: Various talking station records
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63741	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 3/5/2011
Subject: Re: trying to find streetcars in S-Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63742	From: warren_chadbourne	Date: 3/5/2011
Subject: card stock buildings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63743	From: DarylO	Date: 3/5/2011
Subject: Re: Various talking station records
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63744	From: Gale Hall	Date: 3/5/2011
Subject: Re: card stock buildings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63745	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/5/2011
Subject: Re: card stock buildings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63746	From: Brady	Date: 3/5/2011
Subject: Re: Free S Scale scale/scalehouse kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63747	From: Robert Ahrens	Date: 3/5/2011
Subject: Re: card stock buildings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63748	From: vbereskin	Date: 3/5/2011
Subject: Re: trying to find streetcars in S-Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63749	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/5/2011
Subject: Electrical Relay box Kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63750	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2011
Subject: Re: trying to find streetcars in S-Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63751	From: wjchadbourne	Date: 3/6/2011
Subject: Re: card stock buildings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63752	From: Timboy	Date: 3/6/2011
Subject: Cleaning Plastic Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63753	From: mikenguy9	Date: 3/6/2011
Subject: where can I get
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63754	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/6/2011
Subject: Re: where can I get
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63755	From: mike boyd	Date: 3/6/2011
Subject: Re: where can I get
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63756	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/6/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/6/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63757	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/6/2011
Subject: Re: where can I get
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63758	From: cvlk	Date: 3/6/2011
Subject: Re: trying to find streetcars in S-Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63759	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/6/2011
Subject: Re: club convention cars for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63760	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/6/2011
Subject: Re: trying to find streetcars in S-Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63761	From: Neil Trump	Date: 3/6/2011
Subject: Re: where can I get
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63762	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/6/2011
Subject: Re: where can I get
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63763	From: johntech	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: Re: trying to find streetcars in S-Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63764	From: Scott	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: Handcar Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63765	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: Re: Cleaning Plastic Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63766	From: s_trains	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: a repair manual for American Flyer "S"? engines?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63767	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: Re: a repair manual for American Flyer "S"? engines?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63768	From: Timboy	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: Re: Cleaning Plastic Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63769	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: Re: Cleaning Plastic Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63770	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: American Flyer Equipment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63771	From: Timboy	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: Re: Cleaning Plastic Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63772	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: 24558 Canadian Pacific ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63773	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: Re: Cleaning Plastic Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63774	From: richs009	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: Re: a repair manual for American Flyer "S"? engines?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63775	From: Timboy	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: Re: Cleaning Plastic Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63776	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: Re: Cleaning Plastic Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63777	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: Re: 24558 Canadian Pacific ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63778	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: Re: Cleaning Plastic Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63779	From: Michael.McConnell	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: South Jersey S Gaugers Layout Display Sched
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63780	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/8/2011
Subject: Re: trying to find streetcars in S-Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63781	From: Scott	Date: 3/8/2011
Subject: Working Snow Blower: Is it Possible?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63782	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel Reversing Handcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63783	From: garydmccullah	Date: 3/8/2011
Subject: possible new 'S' seller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63784	From: Dave	Date: 3/9/2011
Subject: OPEN SPOKE DRIVERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63785	From: Noplowboy@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2011
Subject: Re: trying to find streetcars in S-Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63786	From: Andrew Peurifoy	Date: 3/9/2011
Subject: Re: where can I get
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63787	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/9/2011
Subject: Re: where can I get
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63788	From: johntech	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: Good News for me
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63789	From: Ben	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: DC and accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63790	From: Donald Keil	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: New s club
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63791	From: Timboy	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: Re: DC and accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63792	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: DC and accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63793	From: Timboy	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63794	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: Re: Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63795	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: Re: DC and accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63796	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: Re: New s club
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63797	From: Timboy	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: Re: Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63798	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: Re: Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63799	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: Re: New s club
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63800	From: Don Birdey	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: Re: Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63801	From: Dennis Back	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: Re: Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63802	From: rick gough	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: Re: Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63803	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: Re: Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63804	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: Re: Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63805	From: Timboy	Date: 3/11/2011
Subject: Re: Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63806	From: Lamont Heppe	Date: 3/11/2011
Subject: Re: DC and accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63807	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/11/2011
Subject: Re: Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63808	From: bstilesaf	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: DC and accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63809	From: Jim	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63810	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63811	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63812	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63813	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63814	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63815	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63816	From: richs009	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63817	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63818	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Roadbed for 54" radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63819	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54" radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63820	From: May Cunningham	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63821	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54" radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63822	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63823	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63824	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54" radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63825	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/13/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54" radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63826	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/13/2011
Subject: Roadbed for 54" radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63827	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/13/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/13/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63828	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/13/2011
Subject: Model Builder Magazine on-line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63829	From: johntech	Date: 3/13/2011
Subject: Re: Model Builder Magazine on-line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63830	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/13/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54" radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63831	From: Timboy	Date: 3/13/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54" radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63832	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/13/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54" radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63833	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 3/13/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54" radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63834	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/13/2011
Subject: Roadbed for 54" radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63835	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/14/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54" radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63836	From: Ray Puls	Date: 3/14/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54" radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63837	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/14/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54" radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63838	From: wmfadamsny1	Date: 3/14/2011
Subject: Sticky Link Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63839	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 3/14/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54" radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63840	From: vbereskin	Date: 3/14/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54" radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63841	From: rick gough	Date: 3/14/2011
Subject: Re: Sticky Link Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63842	From: richs009	Date: 3/14/2011
Subject: Re: Sticky Link Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63843	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/14/2011
Subject: Fw: [AvailableSgauge] Repro Flat cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63844	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/14/2011
Subject: Re: Sticky Link Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63845	From: Neil Trump	Date: 3/15/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: [AvailableSgauge] Repro Flat cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63846	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/15/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: [AvailableSgauge] Repro Flat cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63847	From: Rhett George	Date: 3/15/2011
Subject: Happy St. Gilbert's Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63848	From: Glenn	Date: 3/15/2011
Subject: HAPPY OUR SCALE DAY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63849	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/15/2011
Subject: Re: HAPPY OUR SCALE DAY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63850	From: JOHN and CAROL	Date: 3/16/2011
Subject: HAPPY S DAY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63851	From: afjeff_56	Date: 3/16/2011
Subject: 3/16 Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63852	From: Glenn	Date: 3/16/2011
Subject: Re: HAPPY OUR SCALE DAY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63853	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/16/2011
Subject: 21165 Pennsy & Southern?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63854	From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON	Date: 3/16/2011
Subject: Circus coach
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63855	From: americanflyer1953	Date: 3/16/2011
Subject: Blog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63856	From: Ronald Kolb	Date: 3/16/2011
Subject: Re: DC and accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63857	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/16/2011
Subject: Re: 21165 Pennsy & Southern?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63858	From: Dave	Date: 3/17/2011
Subject: Parts & Decal Discount
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63859	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 3/17/2011
Subject: 450 signal bridge wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63860	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/17/2011
Subject: John Grams R.I.P.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63861	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 3/17/2011
Subject: TRUE SCALE trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63862	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/17/2011
Subject: Re: TRUE SCALE trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63863	From: Ben	Date: 3/17/2011
Subject: New S Gauger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63864	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 3/17/2011
Subject: Re: New S Gauger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63865	From: johntech	Date: 3/17/2011
Subject: Baldwin parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63866	From: kevin	Date: 3/17/2011
Subject: Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63867	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 3/17/2011
Subject: Re: New S Gauger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63868	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: Baldwin parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63869	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: New S Gauger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63870	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: TRUE SCALE trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63871	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: New S Gauger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63872	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63873	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: Circus Coach
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63874	From: navmedguy	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: A Letter to Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63875	From: cvlk	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63876	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63877	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63878	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63879	From: navmedguy	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63880	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: A letter to Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63881	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63882	From: frank emiro	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63883	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63884	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: American Flyer earns honorable mention in MODEL RAILRIOADER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63885	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63886	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63887	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: A letter to Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63888	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: New S Gauger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63889	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: New S Gauger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63890	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54" radius
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63891	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Cost in China Vs. USA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63892	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: It's A Girl Billboard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63893	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: New S Gauger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63894	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Costs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63895	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63896	From: John Metzger	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63897	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: Baldwin parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63898	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: Cost in China Vs. USA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63899	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63900	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63901	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: A letter to Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63902	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: manufacturing delays...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63903	From: navmedguy	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63904	From: Carey Probst	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63905	From: navmedguy	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63906	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: A letter to Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63907	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: New Christmas kit bash cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63908	From: william cole	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: manufacturing delays...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63909	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: A letter to Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63910	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: A letter to Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63911	From: Carey Probst	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: A letter to Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63912	From: michael prell	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: New S Gauger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63913	From: michael prell	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: Cost in China Vs. USA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63914	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Costs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63915	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: Costs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63916	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: manufacturing delays...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63917	From: Ben	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: S Scale RSSVP Models flat car kit for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63918	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: S Scale RSSVP Models flat car kit for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63919	From: Ben	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: S Scale RSSVP Models flat car kit for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63920	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63921	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: TRUE SCALE trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63922	From: Brady	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Helpers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63923	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/20/2011
Subject: Re: Helpers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63924	From: richs009	Date: 3/20/2011
Subject: Re: Helpers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63925	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/20/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/20/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63926	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 3/20/2011
Subject: Re: Costs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63927	From: navmedguy	Date: 3/21/2011
Subject: Re: A letter to Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63928	From: Clifford M	Date: 3/21/2011
Subject: Installing a Dallee #400 unit in a AF 360 engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63929	From: americanflyer1953	Date: 3/21/2011
Subject: AF knuckle replacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63930	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/21/2011
Subject: Guys and GAL - Sets for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63931	From: Timboy	Date: 3/21/2011
Subject: Re: Blog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63932	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/21/2011
Subject: Re: Helpers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63933	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/21/2011
Subject: Re: Helpers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63934	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/21/2011
Subject: Re: Installing a Dallee #400 unit in a AF 360 engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63936	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: Installing a Dallee #400 unit in a AF 360 engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63937	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: Installing a Dallee #400 unit in a AF 360 engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63938	From: Scott	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: Helpers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63939	From: Ray Puls	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: helpers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63940	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: beast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63941	From: Brady	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: Helpers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63942	From: michael prell	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: Blog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63943	From: s-nut	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: beast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63944	From: s-nut	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: beast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63945	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: beast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63946	From: Edward	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Kit Bashed ...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63947	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: beast part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63948	From: richs009	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: beast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63949	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: beast part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63950	From: Mike Andrzejewski	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: beast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63951	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: beast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63952	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Vintage Pennsy Photos in Color
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63953	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: The Beast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63954	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: The Beast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63955	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: The Beast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63956	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/23/2011
Subject: 6-8-6
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63957	From: Brady	Date: 3/23/2011
Subject: Re: Helpers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63958	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/23/2011
Subject: Re: Installing a Dallee #400 unit in a AF 360 engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63959	From: Ray Puls	Date: 3/23/2011
Subject: Vintage Pennsy photos in color
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63960	From: afburl	Date: 3/23/2011
Subject: SHS Rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63961	From: Donald Keil	Date: 3/23/2011
Subject: Re: Plans For 52" Corner Module Using Google Sketch-Up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63962	From: rep928	Date: 3/23/2011
Subject: I want one of these in S!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63963	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/23/2011
Subject: The Beast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63964	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/23/2011
Subject: Re: I want one of these in S!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63965	From: lumglum	Date: 3/23/2011
Subject: New UP Vista Dome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63966	From: Mark Skertich	Date: 3/23/2011
Subject: The
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63967	From: racin510	Date: 3/23/2011
Subject: Window Strip Removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63968	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 3/23/2011
Subject: Re: Installing a Dallee #400 unit in a AF 360 engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63969	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/23/2011
Subject: Re: Window Strip Removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63970	From: richs009	Date: 3/24/2011
Subject: 6-8-6 - one more thing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63971	From: Mark Skertich	Date: 3/24/2011
Subject: Re: The Beast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63972	From: Brady	Date: 3/24/2011
Subject: Re: 6-8-6 - one more thing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63973	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 3/24/2011
Subject: Re: I want one of these in S!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63974	From: richs009	Date: 3/24/2011
Subject: Re: 6-8-6 - one more thing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63975	From: Carey Probst	Date: 3/24/2011
Subject: Is there a problem with our groups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63976	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/24/2011
Subject: Re: I want one of these in S!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63977	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 3/24/2011
Subject: S scale convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63978	From: richs009	Date: 3/24/2011
Subject: Re: I want one of these in S!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63979	From: s-nut	Date: 3/24/2011
Subject: Test Post
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63980	From: s-nut	Date: 3/24/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a problem with our groups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63981	From: s-nut	Date: 3/24/2011
Subject: Re: beast part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63982	From: Al	Date: 3/24/2011
Subject: the beast - why number 353
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63983	From: Brady	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: 6-8-6 - one more thing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63984	From: plotnick@earthlink.net	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: I want one of these in S!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63985	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: S Scale Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63986	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: I want one of these in S!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63987	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63988	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: S Scale Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63989	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: S Scale Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63990	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: S Scale Convention - scale layouts on utube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63991	From: Ed	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: S Scale Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63992	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: I want one of these in S!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63993	From: lionely6b	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: S scale convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63994	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63995	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: "S"acto Convention Comments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63996	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: S Scale Convention - scale layouts on utube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63997	From: lionely6b	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: S'acto Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63998	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: scale layouts on utube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 63999	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: "S"acto Convention Comments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64000	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: scale layouts on utube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64001	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: scale layouts on utube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64002	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: 6-8-6 - one more thing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64003	From: John Metzger	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64004	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: scale layouts on utube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64005	From: Ben	Date: 3/26/2011
Subject: Re: the beast - why number 353
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64006	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/26/2011
Subject: How about one of these in S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64007	From: Neil Trump	Date: 3/26/2011
Subject: Re: the beast - why number 353
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64008	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/26/2011
Subject: How to Build a Low Bridge Warning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64009	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/26/2011
Subject: Re: S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64010	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/26/2011
Subject: Re: scale layouts on utube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64011	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/26/2011
Subject: Re: scale layouts on utube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64012	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/26/2011
Subject: 947 Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64013	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/26/2011
Subject: Scale layouts on utube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64014	From: Ben	Date: 3/26/2011
Subject: Re: the beast - why number 353
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64015	From: richs009	Date: 3/26/2011
Subject: Interesting eBay post
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64016	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 3/27/2011
Subject: "S"acto Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64017	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 3/27/2011
Subject: NCE 10 amp power boosters (for sale)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64018	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2011
Subject: Re: "S"acto Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64020	From: Ben	Date: 3/27/2011
Subject: Tuscan 652, 653, 654 wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64021	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2011
Subject: RCTHS Train Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64022	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/27/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/27/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64023	From: Dave Bellian	Date: 3/27/2011
Subject: Re: FALL S FEST 2010
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64024	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/27/2011
Subject: Re: Tuscan 652, 653, 654 wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64025	From: Ben	Date: 3/27/2011
Subject: Re: Tuscan 652, 653, 654 wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64026	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/28/2011
Subject: Re: AF Wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64027	From: don@showcaseline.com	Date: 3/28/2011
Subject: Fwd: NYTimes.com: Harry Coover, Super Glue's Inventor, Dies at 94
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64028	From: mike_a_2001	Date: 3/28/2011
Subject: AF Pee-Wee on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64029	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/28/2011
Subject: Re: AF Wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64030	From: Dave	Date: 3/28/2011
Subject: A&P Trailing Truck Cover
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64031	From: Larry Asp	Date: 3/28/2011
Subject: Re: AF Pee-Wee on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64032	From: Timboy	Date: 3/28/2011
Subject: Making a Change to a Narrow Section on My Flyer RR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64033	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/28/2011
Subject: Re: Tuscan 652, 653, 654 wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64034	From: Bob	Date: 3/28/2011
Subject: Reminder--New Subscription Rate & Cover Price Increase April 1 for 1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64035	From: David Engle	Date: 3/29/2011
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64036	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/29/2011
Subject: Godfather Rails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64037	From: David Engle	Date: 3/29/2011
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64038	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/29/2011
Subject: Re: Re
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64039	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/30/2011
Subject: Re: SHS wood coil cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64040	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2011
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64041	From: Jerry	Date: 3/30/2011
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64043	From: Dave	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: "S" Tractor & Trailer Units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64044	From: michael prell	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: Help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64045	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: Re: Help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64046	From: rgeorge942	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: S guage Fastrack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64047	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: Re: Help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64048	From: Timboy	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: Re: Help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64049	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: Re: S guage Fastrack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64050	From: Timboy	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: A Loading Platform
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64051	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: Re: Help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64052	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: Re: S guage Fastrack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64053	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: Re: S guage Fastrack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64054	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: Re: S guage Fastrack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64055	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: Re: S guage Fastrack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64056	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: Re: S guage Fastrack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64057	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: Re: S guage Fastrack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64058	From: s-nut	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: Updateto my last post
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64059	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: Re: Help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64060	From: michael prell	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: Re: Help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64061	From: michael prell	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: Re: Help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64062	From: michael prell	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: Re: Help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64063	From: michael prell	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: Re: Help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64064	From: michael prell	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: Re: Help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64065	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: new circus train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64066	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: Re: Help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64067	From: michael prell	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: Re: Help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64068	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: Re: Help! - Rewinding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64069	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: Re: Help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64070	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: Re: Help!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64071	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: New Flyer Stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64072	From: John M	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: Universal motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64073	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: full title
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64074	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64075	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64076	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: Universal motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64077	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/2/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64078	From: Jens	Date: 4/2/2011
Subject: FS Marx Vintage Tin Train Set and Lionel Flyer Items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64079	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 4/2/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64080	From: Timboy	Date: 4/2/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64081	From: clayton	Date: 4/2/2011
Subject: Q &A time...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64082	From: Ben	Date: 4/2/2011
Subject: Talking Station and DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64083	From: Timboy	Date: 4/2/2011
Subject: Re: Talking Station and DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64084	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 4/2/2011
Subject: Re: Talking Station and DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64085	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 4/2/2011
Subject: Re: Q &A time...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64086	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/2/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64087	From: Ben	Date: 4/2/2011
Subject: Re: new circus train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64088	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/2/2011
Subject: Re: Q &A time...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64089	From: Ken	Date: 4/3/2011
Subject: Repair worn truck journals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64090	From: Ben	Date: 4/3/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64091	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 4/3/2011
Subject: Re: Repair worn truck journals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64092	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/3/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64093	From: Tony Gervasio	Date: 4/3/2011
Subject: Re: new circus train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64094	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/3/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/3/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64095	From: richs009	Date: 4/3/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64096	From: Eric	Date: 4/3/2011
Subject: SHS Cars for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64097	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64098	From: lember2004	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: Q &A time... and Copyright
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64099	From: Ben	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier heat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64100	From: Ben	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64101	From: Carey Probst	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier heat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64102	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64103	From: SMMW	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: For sale: S scale pilot models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64104	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Copyright
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64105	From: Ben	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64106	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: RE;Universal Motor DC experts chime in
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64107	From: afironhorse	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: SIT diagram and parts list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64108	From: Ben	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: RE;Universal Motor DC experts chime in
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64109	From: John F. Rodgers	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: Q &A time... and Copyright
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64110	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Universal motor clarification.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64111	From: Dave	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: PAZAN Old Motor Trucks Are Here
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64112	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: RE;Universal Motor DC experts chime in
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64113	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64114	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: Copyright
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64115	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: Q &A time... and Copyright
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64116	From: tbennerohio	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: link coupler return springs?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64117	From: rj4010d	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: link coupler return springs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64118	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: link coupler return springs?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64119	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: link coupler return springs?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64120	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: SIT diagram and parts list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64121	From: Timboy	Date: 4/5/2011
Subject: Re: link couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64122	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/5/2011
Subject: Re: link coupler return springs?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64123	From: David Haslauer	Date: 4/5/2011
Subject: Re: SIT diagram and parts list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64124	From: Lamont Heppe	Date: 4/5/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64125	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/5/2011
Subject: Parking Crew Notes--- Wed April 13th At NTTM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64126	From: Ben	Date: 4/5/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64127	From: Timboy	Date: 4/5/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64128	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/5/2011
Subject: Re: link coupler return springs?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64129	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/5/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64130	From: tbennerohio	Date: 4/5/2011
Subject: Re: link coupler return springs?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64131	From: tbennerohio	Date: 4/5/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64132	From: rj4010d	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64133	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: Re: link coupler return springs?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64134	From: Timboy	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64135	From: Herbert	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: Gilbert Hall of Science lookalike
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64136	From: CyberSavant	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: Just starting out - looking for advise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64137	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: Nice articles in S Gaugian by Georgians Tom Robinson and Pete Silcox
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64138	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: Need parts for an AF 3110 pre-war loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64139	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert Hall of Science lookalike
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64140	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: Re: Need parts for an AF 3110 pre-war loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64141	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: Re: Just starting out - looking for advise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64142	From: Grumpy	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64143	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: Model Builder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64144	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: Re: Need parts for an AF 3110 pre-war loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64145	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: Re: SHS Blatant advertisement...Sample Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64146	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: Re: SHS Blatant advertisement...Sample Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64147	From: Ray Puls	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor-DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64148	From: Timboy	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64149	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: AF O gauge Repro Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64150	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: Re: O PARTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64151	From: Dave	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: TRAILING TRUCK EXPOSED WHEELS COVER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64152	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64153	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: Re: question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64154	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: Re: question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64155	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: Re: TRAILING TRUCK EXPOSED WHEELS COVER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64156	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: Re: TRAILING TRUCK EXPOSED WHEELS COVER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64157	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64158	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: Re: TRAILING TRUCK EXPOSED WHEELS COVER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64159	From: Timboy	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64160	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: Trailing truck exposed wheels cover
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64161	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64162	From: rick gough	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: Trailing truck exposed wheels cover
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64163	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: Re: TRAILING TRUCK EXPOSED WHEELS COVER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64164	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 4/8/2011
Subject: Re: TRAILING TRUCK EXPOSED WHEELS COVER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64165	From: C Robert	Date: 4/8/2011
Subject: Special on Circus Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64166	From: charlie and edith	Date: 4/8/2011
Subject: Speaker/whistle Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64167	From: Dave	Date: 4/9/2011
Subject: 1949 "CANNON BALL" Tri-Axle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64168	From: JohnB	Date: 4/9/2011
Subject: Re: Updated electronics #343 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64169	From: JohnB	Date: 4/9/2011
Subject: WTB: Reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64170	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/9/2011
Subject: Neil Young and York 1994
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64171	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/9/2011
Subject: Re: Updated electronics #343 Switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64172	From: Dave	Date: 4/10/2011
Subject: ATLANTIC Front Coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64173	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 4/10/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Front Coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64174	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 4/10/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Front Coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64175	From: Timboy	Date: 4/10/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64176	From: lionely6b	Date: 4/10/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Front Coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64177	From: Linda Hansen	Date: 4/10/2011
Subject: Message for posting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64178	From: Martin A. Johnson	Date: 4/10/2011
Subject: Re: 1949 "CANNON BALL" Tri-Axle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64179	From: Richard Purnell	Date: 4/10/2011
Subject: PA's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64180	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 4/10/2011
Subject: Re: Message for posting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64181	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 4/10/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Front Coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64182	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 4/10/2011
Subject: Re: Message for posting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64183	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/10/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/10/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64184	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/10/2011
Subject: Re: PA's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64185	From: Alan Evans	Date: 4/10/2011
Subject: Timken TOFC Spree Cars shipping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64186	From: aztecfan	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Putting some Independence Hall buildings together for school ed proj
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64187	From: Scott	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Repainting 960 Class Coaches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64188	From: John McAlonan	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Front Coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64189	From: Mike Andrzejewski	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: Repainting 960 Class Coaches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64190	From: SMMW	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Smoky Mtn kits at Chesterfield Hobbies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64191	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Pre War AF parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64192	From: John Davis	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Atlantic Boiler Front/ Headlight From 342
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64193	From: John M	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Aluminum car polish
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64194	From: plotnick@earthlink.net	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Rail Zeppelin Project - Stage 1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64195	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: Pre War AF parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64196	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: Repainting 960 Class Coaches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64197	From: tjm	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Front Coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64198	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: Rail Zeppelin Project - Stage 1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64199	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: Pre War AF parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64200	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: PA's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64201	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: Aluminum car polish
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64202	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: Rail Zeppelin Project - Stage 1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64203	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: York Hotel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64204	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: Aluminum car polish
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64205	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: Rail Zeppelin Project - Stage 1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64206	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: Repainting 960 Class Coaches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64207	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: PA's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64208	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: PA's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64209	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: PA's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64210	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: Repainting 960 Class Coaches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64211	From: lember2004	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: use Hudson to test clearances?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64212	From: sgaugian	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: use Hudson to test clearances?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64213	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: use Hudson to test clearances?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64214	From: sgaugian	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: Aluminum car polish
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64215	From: sgaugian	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: PA's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64216	From: rick gough	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: Repainting 960 Class Coaches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64217	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: PA's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64218	From: richs009	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: Aluminum car polish
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64219	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: Re: Aluminum car polish
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64220	From: Ray Puls	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: Re: Aluminum car polish
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64221	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: Re: use Hudson to test clearances?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64222	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: Re: PA's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64223	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: Re: PA's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64224	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: Re: Aluminum car polish
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64225	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: For sale: truly terrible track (really rusty rails)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64226	From: Timboy	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: Improvements To My RR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64227	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: Re"Improvements to my RR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64228	From: CyberSavant	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: modifying stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64229	From: Mike Andrzejewski	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: Re: use Hudson to test clearances?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64230	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: TEN BUCKS per freight car. SEEBURGER ESTATE LEFTOVERS.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64231	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: Made In Japan
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64232	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: Re: Made In Japan
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64233	From: aztecfan	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: Atlantics need
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64234	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Remote control locomotives ........TMCC?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64235	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Re: use Hudson to test clearances?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64236	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Re: modifying stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64237	From: Dave	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: "THE FINISHING TOUCH"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64238	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Re: Made In Japan
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64239	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: York/Isaac's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64240	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Re: The Finishing Touch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64241	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Re: The Finishing Touch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64242	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Re;Using a Hudson to test clearances
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64243	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Fw: model cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64244	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Frosty Bar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64245	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Re: Made In Japan
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64246	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Re: Made In Japan
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64247	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Re: Re;Using a Hudson to test clearances
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64248	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Re: A MUST SEE ITEM IF YOU LIKE TRAINS< CATS & ITALY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64249	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Re: Made In Japan
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64250	From: Timboy	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Re: Re"Improvements to my RR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64251	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: Made In Japan
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64252	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: LIONEL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64253	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: LIONEL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64254	From: Brady	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64255	From: cvlk	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: Made In Japan
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64256	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: LIONEL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64257	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: LIONEL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64258	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: Made In Japan
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64259	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: LIONEL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64260	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: S-oriented Radio & TV Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64261	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64262	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64263	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64264	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: LIONEL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64265	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64266	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re;New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64267	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64268	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64269	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: LIONEL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64270	From: Carey Probst	Date: 4/15/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64271	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 4/15/2011
Subject: Biggest Selling Engine of all Time?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64272	From: Brady	Date: 4/15/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64273	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 4/15/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64274	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/15/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64275	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/15/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64276	From: Carey Probst	Date: 4/15/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64277	From: richs009	Date: 4/15/2011
Subject: seeing/feeling steam in action
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64278	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 4/15/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64279	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/15/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64280	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/15/2011
Subject: Re: seeing/feeling steam in action
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64281	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/15/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64282	From: michael prell	Date: 4/15/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64283	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/15/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64284	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Flyer Fest West #11, 4/30/2011, 7:00 am
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64285	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re;New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64286	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: PAs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64287	From: Ray Puls	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64288	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: Re;New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64289	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: Re;New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64290	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: Re;New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64291	From: Carey Probst	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: Re;New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64292	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: Re;New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64293	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: The fate of S--was New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64294	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re;New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64295	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: Re;New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64296	From: Ben	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Cool York stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64297	From: Timboy	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64298	From: Michael Rector	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: Biggest Selling Engine of all Time?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64299	From: mel perry	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: Biggest Selling Engine of all Time?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64300	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: GILBERTS DISCOVERY VILLAGE IN SALEM OREGON
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64301	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64302	From: rick gough	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: Re;New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64303	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: Re;New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64304	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: Re;New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64305	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: LIONEL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64306	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Edward Loizeaux's S Scale Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64307	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: GILBERTS DISCOVERY VILLAGE IN SALEM OREGON
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64308	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64309	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64310	From: Al Baker	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: GILBERTS DISCOVERY VILLAGE IN SALEM OREGON
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64311	From: Timboy	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64312	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64313	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64314	From: grant bishop	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: Flyer Fest West #11, 4/30/2011, 7:00 am
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64315	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: GILBERTS DISCOVERY VILLAGE IN SALEM OREGON
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64316	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64317	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64318	From: Brady	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: PAs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64319	From: Brady	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: Re;New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64320	From: John Metzger	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64321	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: LIONEL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64322	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64323	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64324	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: GILBERTS DISCOVERY VILLAGE IN SALEM OREGON
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64325	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64326	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64327	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Flyer Fest West #11, comment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64328	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64329	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64330	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: GILBERTS DISCOVERY VILLAGE IN SALEM OREGON
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64331	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64332	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64333	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64334	From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: GILBERTS DISCOVERY VILLAGE IN SALEM OREGON
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64335	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64336	From: JohnB	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: FS: Gargraves Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64337	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64338	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64339	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64340	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64341	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: GILBERTS DISCOVERY VILLAGE IN SALEM OREGON
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64342	From: JohnB	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: WTB: Boxcar Undercarriage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64343	From: rick gough	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64344	From: michael prell	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: HELP With Beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64345	From: mel perry	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: HELP With Beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64346	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: HELP With Beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64347	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/17/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64348	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: HELP With Beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64349	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: HELP With Beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64350	From: Al Baker	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64351	From: Bob	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: New Bonus Material Available on 1:64 Modeling Guide Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64352	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64353	From: Ken	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64354	From: Glenn	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: NATIONAL TOY TRAIN MUSEUM OPEN HOUSE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64355	From: Al Baker	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64356	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64357	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64358	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64359	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64360	From: michael prell	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Beacon Thanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64361	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64362	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64363	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: SHS Stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64364	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: First Time York Report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64365	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64366	From: Carey Probst	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64367	From: Ben	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64368	From: grant bishop	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64369	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64370	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64371	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64372	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: New Information at the American Flyer Displays Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64373	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64374	From: Dennis Back	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...(vibrator)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64375	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64376	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64377	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64378	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64379	From: Frank	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: york apr 15th
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64380	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64381	From: richs009	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64382	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64383	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64384	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64385	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64386	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64387	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: SHS Stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64388	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64389	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64390	From: sscale@bestweb.net	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64391	From: CC	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64392	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64393	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64394	From: Glenn	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: york apr 15th
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64395	From: Timboy	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: First Time York Report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64396	From: Thorinn Marty	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: Seaboard B-7 Box Car DIGITAL FLYER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64397	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: First Time York Report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64398	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: U 33 C
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64399	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: First Time York Report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64400	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: Marx Gator Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64401	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64402	From: Timboy	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: First Time York Report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64403	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: First Time York Report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64404	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: First Time York Report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64405	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: First Time York Report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64406	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: If you didn't
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64407	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64408	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64409	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: ITEMS FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64410	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: Marx Gator Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64411	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: If you didn't
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64412	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64413	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64414	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64415	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/20/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64416	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64417	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/20/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64418	From: Scott	Date: 4/20/2011
Subject: Best Switch?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64419	From: racin510	Date: 4/20/2011
Subject: ROCKET DIESEL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64420	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 4/20/2011
Subject: Re: Best Switch?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64421	From: The Reardon's	Date: 4/20/2011
Subject: Re: Best Switch?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64422	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 4/20/2011
Subject: Re: Best Switch?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64423	From: Timboy	Date: 4/20/2011
Subject: Re: Best Switch?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64424	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/20/2011
Subject: Re: Best Switch?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64425	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/20/2011
Subject: Re: Best Switch?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64426	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2011
Subject: ROCKET DIESEL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64427	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2011
Subject: TRAIN TRIVIA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64428	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 4/21/2011
Subject: Re: Best Switch?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64429	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/21/2011
Subject: Re;TRAIN TRIVIA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64430	From: Scott	Date: 4/21/2011
Subject: Re: Re;TRAIN TRIVIA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64431	From: Scott	Date: 4/21/2011
Subject: Re: Best Switch?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64432	From: Jens	Date: 4/21/2011
Subject: FS Marx Vintage Tin Train Set and modern Lionel Flyer Items PRICE DO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64433	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/21/2011
Subject: AF Box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64434	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/21/2011
Subject: AF Box numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64435	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/21/2011
Subject: Re: Best Switch?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64436	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/21/2011
Subject: Re: Best switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64437	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/21/2011
Subject: Re: Best Switch?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64438	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: Best switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64439	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: CP TREES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64440	From: mel perry	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: Best Switch?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64441	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: AF Box numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64442	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64443	From: Timboy	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: Best switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64444	From: sgaugian	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: ROCKET DIESEL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64445	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64446	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: Best switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64447	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64448	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64449	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: AF Box numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64450	From: Bill Clark	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: Best switch - hand built in place
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64451	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: AF Box numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64452	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64453	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: AF Box numbers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64454	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64455	From: rick gough	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: ROCKET DIESEL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64456	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64457	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: S Scale America Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64458	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: S Scale America Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64459	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64460	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64461	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64462	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64463	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Temper Flair-Up At York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64464	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64465	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64466	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64467	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64468	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: CP Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64469	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Flyer Fest West #11, 4/30/2011, 7:00 am
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64470	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64471	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: S ga. Switches: Disappointing ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64472	From: billclarkvelocette	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: Best switch - hand built in place
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64473	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: S ga. Switches: Disappointing ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64474	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64475	From: don@showcaseline.com	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: S ga. Switches: Disappointing ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64476	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re; S gauge switches, disappointing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64477	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64478	From: Timboy	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: Best switch - hand built in place
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64479	From: Bill	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Wanted: SHS Reading caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64480	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: Re; S gauge switches, disappointing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64481	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Clever Models "Plant #2"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64482	From: Bill Clark	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: Wanted: SHS Reading caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64483	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: S ga. Switches: Disappointing ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64484	From: Brady	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: S ga. Switches: Disappointing ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64485	From: Dave	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: COOPER - JARRETT, INC.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64486	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: S gauge switches, disappointing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64487	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64488	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64489	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64490	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 4/24/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64491	From: Monte	Date: 4/24/2011
Subject: Southport Festival
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64492	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/24/2011
Subject: Re: S ga. Switches: Disappointing ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64493	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/24/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64494	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 4/24/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64495	From: hjsheffield	Date: 4/24/2011
Subject: SHS 2-8-0 sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64496	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/24/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/24/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64497	From: Joseph H	Date: 4/25/2011
Subject: Re: Southport Festival
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64498	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/25/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64499	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/25/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64500	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/25/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64501	From: sgaugian	Date: 4/25/2011
Subject: Re: Wanted: SHS Reading caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64502	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 4/25/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64503	From: Bill	Date: 4/25/2011
Subject: thank you
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64504	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/25/2011
Subject: OFF TOPIC - DISPOSING OF STUFF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64505	From: sgaugian	Date: 4/26/2011
Subject: Re: thank you
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64506	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 4/26/2011
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - DISPOSING OF STUFF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64507	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/26/2011
Subject: Flyer by LTI cars for sale (85)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64508	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/26/2011
Subject: CP Flat with Original Trees in Bag
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64509	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 4/26/2011
Subject: Re: CP Flat with Original Trees in Bag
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64510	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/26/2011
Subject: Re: CP Flat with Original Trees in Bag
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64511	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/26/2011
Subject: Thinning the herd
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64512	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/26/2011
Subject: CDS Dry Transfers?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64513	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 4/26/2011
Subject: Re: CDS Dry Transfers?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64514	From: Al Baker	Date: 4/27/2011
Subject: Updated photo album of Custom Locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64515	From: ken garber	Date: 4/27/2011
Subject: Re: CDS Dry Transfers?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64516	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 4/27/2011
Subject: Re: Updated photo album of Custom Locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64517	From: hjsheffield	Date: 4/27/2011
Subject: sale items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64518	From: Timboy	Date: 4/27/2011
Subject: Re: Updated photo album of Custom Locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64519	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/27/2011
Subject: AF Lionel Track Gang revisited.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64520	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/27/2011
Subject: Re: Updated photo album of Custom Locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64521	From: richs009	Date: 4/28/2011
Subject: Re: Updated photo album of Custom Locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64522	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 4/28/2011
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Track Gang revisited.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64523	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/28/2011
Subject: Spring Spree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64524	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/28/2011
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Track Gang revisited.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64525	From: Al Baker	Date: 4/28/2011
Subject: Re: Updated photo album of Custom Locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64526	From: wd511@att.net	Date: 4/28/2011
Subject: Legacy trouble
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64527	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/28/2011
Subject: AF Lionel Track Gang
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64528	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/29/2011
Subject: Track Gang pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64529	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/29/2011
Subject: Re: Track Gang pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64530	From: Scott	Date: 4/29/2011
Subject: 293 Pickup Shoes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64531	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/29/2011
Subject: Re: Track Gang pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64532	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/29/2011
Subject: Re: 293 Pickup Shoes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64533	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/29/2011
Subject: Bakers Chocolate tanker
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64534	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/29/2011
Subject: Re: Track Gang pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64535	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 4/29/2011
Subject: Screws
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64536	From: Timboy	Date: 4/29/2011
Subject: Re: 293 Pickup Shoes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64537	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 4/29/2011
Subject: Re: Bakers Chocolate tanker
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64538	From: EDWARD	Date: 4/29/2011
Subject: Flyer Fest West
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64539	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: Re: Bakers Chocolate tanker
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64540	From: Gale Hall	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: NYC full dome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64541	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: CDS Dry Transfers - Closing Down But Some Stock Remaining
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64543	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: 44 Tonner, VGN Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64544	From: us55820688	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64545	From: Neil Trump	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64546	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: reported attack page
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64547	From: michael prell	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64548	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: Re: S ga. Switches: Disappointing ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64549	From: Dave	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: PM Metal Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64550	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: Re: Screws
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64551	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: Re: reported attack page
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64552	From: Timboy	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: Re: S ga. Switches: Disappointing ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64553	From: Brady	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64554	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: For sale: Gilbert Flatcars & Floodlight Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64555	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: For sale: Gilbert track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64556	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: Re: reported attack page
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64557	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: Re: S ga. Switches: Disappointing ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64558	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: Helper Test
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64559	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: For sale: Gilbert rubber roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64560	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: Re: reported attack page
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64561	From: Brady	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: Re: reported attack page
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64562	From: trainnut2us	Date: 5/1/2011
Subject: Puting Kadee couplers on REX 2-6-0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64563	From: Dave	Date: 5/1/2011
Subject: AF PACIFIC 4W Trailing Truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64564	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 5/1/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64565	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 5/1/2011
Subject: Re: AF PACIFIC 4W Trailing Truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64566	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 5/1/2011
Subject: Re: AF PACIFIC 4W Trailing Truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64567	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/1/2011
Subject: Spring Spree Sprung
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64568	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/1/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/1/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64569	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 5/1/2011
Subject: Re: AF PACIFIC 4W Trailing Truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64570	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 5/1/2011
Subject: Re: AF PACIFIC 4W Trailing Truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64571	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/1/2011
Subject: Re; Pacific 4 wheel trailing truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64572	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 5/1/2011
Subject: Re: Re; Pacific 4 wheel trailing truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64573	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Neon Sign
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64574	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64575	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: AF PACIFIC 4W Trailing Truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64576	From: Gale Hall	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64577	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64578	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full domes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64579	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full domes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64580	From: Dave	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: Re; Pacific 4 wheel trailing truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64581	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64582	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: Neon Sign
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64583	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full domes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64584	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: AF PACIFIC 4W Trailing Truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64585	From: Rhett George	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: 4-wheel trailing truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64586	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full domes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64587	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full domes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64588	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: Re; Pacific 4 wheel trailing truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64589	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64590	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full domes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64591	From: SMMW	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: SAL B7 S scale decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64592	From: Timboy	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Bullfrog Snot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64593	From: SMMW	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: S scale SAL B7 boxcar now a reality ... HO coming first
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64594	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: Bullfrog Snot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64595	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: Bullfrog Snot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64596	From: kempfam@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64597	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: Re; Pacific 4 wheel trailing truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64598	From: Jerry	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64599	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Reading 4-4-4's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64600	From: tbennerohio	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: Bullfrog Snot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64601	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: Bullfrog Snot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64602	From: richs009	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full domes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64603	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: Bullfrog Snot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64604	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full domes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64605	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: Neon Sign
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64606	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: The Milwaukee Road
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64607	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full domes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64608	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: SP full domes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64609	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: SHS wheelsets for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64610	From: timstrains2000	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: Bullfrog Snot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64611	From: rapidrail1	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64612	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: More Atlantic modifications?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64613	From: Scott Freeman	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: Neon Sign
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64614	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: More Atlantic modifications?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64615	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: SP full domes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64616	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full domes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64617	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: S scale SAL B7 boxcar now a reality ... HO coming first
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64618	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: DOMES OF EASTERN RRs plus SP domes :(was NYC full domes)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64619	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: amazing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64620	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: amazing (Dome Snobs)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64621	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: amazing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64622	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full domes (and D&H)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64623	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Fw: AF scales the height of realism
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64624	From: Brady	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Dimestore Dreams (was Re: Neon Sign)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64625	From: Al Baker	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: AM 4-8-4 Northern Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64626	From: Brady	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Dimestore Dreams (was Re: Neon Sign)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64627	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: "S"tuff "S"till for "S"ale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64628	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64629	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: More Atlantic modifications?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64630	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: SP full domes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64631	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: DOMES OF EASTERN RRs plus SP domes :(was NYC full domes)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64632	From: Scott Freeman	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: Dimestore Dreams (was Re: Neon Sign)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64633	From: rick gough	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: Bullfrog Snot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64634	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: D&RGW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64635	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: The Milwaukee Road
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64636	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full domes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64637	From: Ben Perry	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full domes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64638	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: Dimestore Dreams (was Re: Neon Sign)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64639	From: Jerry	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: AM 4-8-4 Northern Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64640	From: Jerry	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64641	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: SP full domes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64642	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: DOMES OF EASTERN RRs plus SP domes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64643	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64644	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64645	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: AM 4-8-4 Northern Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64646	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64647	From: rapidrail1	Date: 5/4/2011
Subject: Re: More Atlantic modifications?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64648	From: richs009	Date: 5/4/2011
Subject: Amazing domes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64649	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 5/4/2011
Subject: Re: More Atlantic modifications?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64650	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/4/2011
Subject: AF Lionel Items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64651	From: SMMW	Date: 5/4/2011
Subject: GE 44-tonner progress; last chance to order
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64652	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 5/4/2011
Subject: "S"acaramento Genuine AF Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64653	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/4/2011
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64654	From: Scott	Date: 5/4/2011
Subject: Rumor Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64655	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/4/2011
Subject: Re: Rumor Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64656	From: Jerry	Date: 5/4/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64657	From: tbennerohio	Date: 5/4/2011
Subject: AM PA-1 coupler repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64658	From: don@showcaseline.com	Date: 5/4/2011
Subject: Re: Status report on SHS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64659	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/4/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64660	From: Grumpy	Date: 5/5/2011
Subject: Decal sale ALL DECALS ARE NOW 50% OFF TILL JUNE 11 2011 -- Tom St
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64661	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/5/2011
Subject: Fw: Genuine AF Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64662	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 5/5/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full domes (and D&H)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64663	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 5/6/2011
Subject: Genuine AF Display Layout at "S"acramento Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64664	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 5/6/2011
Subject: CORRECTION TO: Genuine AF Display Layout at "S"acramento Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64665	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2011
Subject: NYC Dome
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64666	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 5/6/2011
Subject: Free Web Hosting for RR Sites
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64667	From: charlie and edith	Date: 5/6/2011
Subject: Gilbert Tender Whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64668	From: Timboy	Date: 5/7/2011
Subject: My Use Of Bullfrog Snot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64669	From: Al Baker	Date: 5/7/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert Tender Whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64670	From: rick gough	Date: 5/7/2011
Subject: Re: My Use Of Bullfrog Snot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64671	From: rick gough	Date: 5/7/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert Tender Whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64672	From: tbennerohio	Date: 5/7/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert Tender Whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64673	From: Timboy	Date: 5/7/2011
Subject: Re: My Use Of Bullfrog Snot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64674	From: sscalemn	Date: 5/7/2011
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64675	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 5/8/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer Trains for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64676	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 5/8/2011
Subject: SEEBURGER ESTATE -- thank you
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64677	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/8/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/8/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64678	From: John Degnan	Date: 5/8/2011
Subject: NEW NEWS : Sergent Engineering Couplers COMING VERY SOON!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64679	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/8/2011
Subject: The San Diego S-Gaugers have a home!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64680	From: Eric	Date: 5/8/2011
Subject: Extra S Helper items for sale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64681	From: Dave	Date: 5/9/2011
Subject: 6 Wheel Trucks (NEW)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64682	From: John Metzger	Date: 5/9/2011
Subject: Re: 6 Wheel Trucks (NEW)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64683	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 5/9/2011
Subject: Re: 6 Wheel Trucks (NEW)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64684	From: Walter Jopke	Date: 5/9/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer Trains for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64685	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/9/2011
Subject: Re: This week at SHS....Blatant ......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64686	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Re: 6 Wheel Trucks (NEW)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64687	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: This week at SHS....Blatant ......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64688	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Steam Turbine-Electric
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64689	From: mikenguy9	Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: American Flyer instruction book missplaced
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64690	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer instruction book missplaced
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64691	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Re;Steam Turbine Electric
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64692	From: rgeorge942	Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Lionel catalog S gauge NP "Pig Palace" cattle car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64693	From: Bob Groh	Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Re: Re;Steam Turbine Electric
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64694	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Re: Extra S Helper items for sale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64695	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer instruction book missplaced
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64696	From: Eric	Date: 5/11/2011
Subject: Re: Extra S Helper items for sale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64697	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/11/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer instruction book missplaced
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64698	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 5/11/2011
Subject: Nose decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64699	From: Dave	Date: 5/11/2011
Subject: Re: Nose decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64700	From: ron plyler	Date: 5/11/2011
Subject: Re: Nose decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64701	From: Frank	Date: 5/11/2011
Subject: Re: Nose decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64702	From: Dave	Date: 5/11/2011
Subject: PM Trucks Repair/Convert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64703	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/11/2011
Subject: >>Note<< New project announcement!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64704	From: Al	Date: 5/11/2011
Subject: Sound Activation using a battery?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64705	From: richs009	Date: 5/11/2011
Subject: Re: Steam Turbine-Electric
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64706	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/12/2011
Subject: eBay item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64707	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/12/2011
Subject: Re: >>Note<< New project announcement!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64708	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/12/2011
Subject: Re; Steam Turbine Locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64709	From: Dave	Date: 5/12/2011
Subject: 6 Wheel Truck Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64710	From: hjsheffield	Date: 5/12/2011
Subject: Cars for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64711	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/12/2011
Subject: AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64712	From: Ray Puls	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: 6 Wheel Truck Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64713	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: And we think train prices are down
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64714	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64715	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64716	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64717	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64718	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: And we think train prices are down
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64719	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: 6 Wheel Truck Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64720	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64721	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: And we think train prices are down
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64722	From: rgeorge942	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Good website for the history of AC Gilbert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64723	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64724	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64725	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64726	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64727	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re;And we think train prices are down
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64728	From: Scott	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Values - All black vs. Whitewalls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64729	From: Eric	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: Extra S Helper items for sale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64730	From: Dale Smith	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: And we think train prices are down
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64731	From: richs009	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: Good website for the history of AC Gilbert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64732	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: Good website for the history of AC Gilbert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64733	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Scenario: Train Show. See what is no doubt your own stolen set at a
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64734	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: And we think train prices are down
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64735	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: Scenario: Train Show. See what is no doubt your own stolen set a
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64736	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: And we think train prices are down
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64737	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: Scenario: Train Show. See what is no doubt your own stolen set a
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64738	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/14/2011
Subject: S Scale Container project conformation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64739	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 5/14/2011
Subject: Re: And we think train prices are down
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64740	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/14/2011
Subject: Broken Brake Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64741	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 5/14/2011
Subject: Trailer Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64742	From: richs009	Date: 5/14/2011
Subject: Re: Broken Brake Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64743	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 5/14/2011
Subject: Re: Scenario: Train Show. See what is no doubt your own sto len set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64744	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 5/14/2011
Subject: "S"acto Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64745	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 5/14/2011
Subject: Re: Broken Brake Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64746	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/14/2011
Subject: Re: Scenario: Train Show. See what is no doubt your own stolen set a
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64747	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/14/2011
Subject: Re: Broken Brake Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64748	From: Todd	Date: 5/15/2011
Subject: Flyonel Decals Wantedfrom 1981-1991
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64749	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 5/15/2011
Subject: Re: Scenario: Train Show. See what is no doubt your own stolen set a
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64750	From: Bob C	Date: 5/15/2011
Subject: Home Layouts Needed For Central Coast Railroad Festival (Calif.)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64751	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 5/15/2011
Subject: Yet Another AFL Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64752	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/15/2011
Subject: Re: Yet Another AFL Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64753	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/15/2011
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Yet Another AFL Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64754	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/15/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/15/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64755	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/15/2011
Subject: 24048 Brake wheel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64756	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/15/2011
Subject: Brake Wheel Success!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64757	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 5/15/2011
Subject: Re: Yet Another AFL Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64758	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/16/2011
Subject: Re: Yet Another AFL Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64759	From: Louis	Date: 5/16/2011
Subject: Re: Yet Another AFL Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64760	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 5/16/2011
Subject: Re: Yet Another AFL Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64761	From: rick gough	Date: 5/16/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] Yet Another AFL Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64762	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 5/17/2011
Subject: Mauldin (Greenville) SC Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64763	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/17/2011
Subject: Reply from a O gauge friend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64764	From: richs009	Date: 5/17/2011
Subject: Re: Mauldin (Greenville) SC Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64765	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/17/2011
Subject: Lionel products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64766	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/17/2011
Subject: New Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64767	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/17/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64768	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 5/17/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64769	From: nsupbnsf	Date: 5/17/2011
Subject: Plastic People
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64770	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/17/2011
Subject: Re: Plastic People
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64771	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Plastic People
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64772	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Re: Plastic People
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64773	From: Jim	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Electromagnetic Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64774	From: Timboy	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64775	From: ron plyler	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64776	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64777	From: Timboy	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64778	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64779	From: richs009	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane - rebuild?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64780	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64781	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Layout Visitor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64782	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Re: S-Fest cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64783	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Failed AFL Northern Rubber Tire - Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64784	From: Jim	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Electro Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64785	From: zemouse2001	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Re: Failed AFL Northern Rubber Tire - Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64786	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: Re: Failed AFL Northern Rubber Tire - Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64787	From: rj4010d	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64788	From: sscale@bestweb.net	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: Re: Failed AFL Northern Rubber Tire - Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64789	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64790	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64791	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64792	From: SMMW	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: S scale 44-tonner CAD images now viewable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64793	From: rick gough	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: Re: Electro Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64794	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: Re: Extra S Helper items for sale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64795	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: Re: Failed AFL Northern Rubber Tire - Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64796	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: 342 engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64797	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: Re: Failed AFL Northern Rubber Tire - Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64798	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: Re: Electro Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64799	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64800	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine #2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64801	From: Dale Smith	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine #2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64802	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine #2A
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64803	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine #2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64804	From: Timboy	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: Re: Electro Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64805	From: R	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64806	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64807	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: 583 crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64808	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: Prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64809	From: Larry Moore	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine #2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64810	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine #2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64811	From: Major	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine #2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64812	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine #2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64813	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: Re: Prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64814	From: richs009	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: Re: Prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64815	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine #2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64816	From: afjerryk5	Date: 5/21/2011
Subject: Brass weights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64817	From: Dave	Date: 5/21/2011
Subject: 4 Wheel Trailing Truck (Semi-Universal)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64818	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/21/2011
Subject: Re: Brass weights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64819	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/21/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine #2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64820	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 5/21/2011
Subject: Re: Brass weights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64821	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 5/21/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine #2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64822	From: Ken	Date: 5/21/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine #2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64823	From: Joseph H	Date: 5/21/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64824	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/21/2011
Subject: Re: Brass weights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64825	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/22/2011
Subject: C & O SET
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64826	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/22/2011
Subject: 2005 LIONEL AUCTION BOOK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64827	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/22/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/22/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64828	From: rapidrail1	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: Re: C & O SET
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64829	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: Re: C & O SET.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64830	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: Re: C & O SET
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64831	From: John Metzger	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: Re: C & O SET.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64832	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: Re: C & O SET.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64833	From: Jim	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: Electromagnetic Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64834	From: richs009	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: Re: C & O SET.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64835	From: richs009	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64836	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64837	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64838	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: LTI Santa Fe set.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64839	From: Larry Moore	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: Stubborn 290
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64840	From: John Metzger	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: Re: Stubborn 290
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64841	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: Re: Stubborn 290
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64842	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: Re: Stubborn 290
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64843	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 5/24/2011
Subject: Re: Stubborn 290
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64844	From: Joseph H	Date: 5/24/2011
Subject: Re: Stubborn 290
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64845	From: rick gough	Date: 5/24/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64846	From: richs009	Date: 5/24/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64847	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/24/2011
Subject: MyFlyerTrains.org website outage - emergency link enclosed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64848	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 5/24/2011
Subject: Lionel Christmas Catalog 2011
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64849	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel Christmas Catalog 2011
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64850	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel Christmas Catalog 2011
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64851	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: auction in PA.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64852	From: wjchadbourne	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: Pikemaster track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64853	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel Christmas Catalog 2011
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64854	From: Major	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel Christmas Catalog 2011
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64855	From: michael prell	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: Erector Turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64856	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: Re: Pikemaster track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64857	From: Jens	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: FS Lionel Flyer Items - PRICE DOWN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64858	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: Re: Pikemaster track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64859	From: Joseph H	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: Re: Mauldin (Greenville) SC Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64860	From: Jerry	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: Re: Pikemaster track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64861	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: Re: auction in PA.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64862	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: Re: MyFlyerTrains.org website outage - emergency link enclosed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64863	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: Re: auction in PA.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64864	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: Update on Failed Northern Tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64865	From: richs009	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: display shelves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64866	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Re: E-BAY 342
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64867	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Re: 342 PS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64868	From: rapidrail1	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel Christmas Catalog 2011
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64869	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Re: Update on Failed Northern Tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64870	From: Brady	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Question (was Update on Failed Northern Tires)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64871	From: Carey Probst	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Re: display shelves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64872	From: Major	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Re: 342 PS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64873	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Re: Question (was Update on Failed Northern Tires)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64874	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Re: display shelves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64875	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Re: 342 PS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64876	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Re: Question (was Update on Failed Northern Tires)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64877	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Why buy Lionel?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64878	From: Major	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Re: 342 PS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64879	From: Major	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Re: Why buy Lionel?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64880	From: Ed	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Re: Why buy Lionel?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64881	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Re: Question (was Update on Failed Northern Tires)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64882	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/27/2011
Subject: Re: 342 PS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64883	From: LB	Date: 5/27/2011
Subject: Question Regarding Posts on 342PS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64884	From: barb	Date: 5/27/2011
Subject: Question for BG1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64885	From: jshannon148	Date: 5/27/2011
Subject: Is it a box car or a reefer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64886	From: wjchadbourne@smgazette.com	Date: 5/27/2011
Subject: display
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64887	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 5/27/2011
Subject: Re: Question for BG1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64888	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/27/2011
Subject: Re: Question Regarding Posts on 342PS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64889	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/27/2011
Subject: Re: Is it a box car or a reefer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64890	From: richs009	Date: 5/27/2011
Subject: Re: Is it a box car or a reefer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64891	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/27/2011
Subject: Re: Is it a boxcar or a reefer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64892	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/27/2011
Subject: Mystery Bay Window Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64893	From: Frank	Date: 5/27/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Bay Window Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64894	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 5/28/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Bay Window Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64895	From: Gale Hall	Date: 5/28/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Bay Window Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64896	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 5/28/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Bay Window Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64897	From: tjm	Date: 5/28/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Bay Window Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64898	From: Gale Hall	Date: 5/28/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Bay Window Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64899	From: DarylO	Date: 5/28/2011
Subject: Sideframe for Flyer F9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64900	From: wcbeverly	Date: 5/28/2011
Subject: SGG Open house Sunday June 5th and Tuesday June 7th
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64901	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/28/2011
Subject: Richard Steinheimer, master of railroad photography, dies at 81
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64902	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 5/28/2011
Subject: Re: Sideframe for Flyer F9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64903	From: Frank	Date: 5/28/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Bay Window Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64904	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/28/2011
Subject: Re: Richard Steinheimer, master of railroad photography, dies at 81
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64905	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/28/2011
Subject: READING Atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64906	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/29/2011
Subject: Container update & decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64907	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 5/29/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Bay Window Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64908	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/29/2011
Subject: Cupolas and 4-4-4's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64909	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/29/2011
Subject: email address correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64910	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 5/29/2011
Subject: wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64911	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 5/29/2011
Subject: Re: Cupolas and 4-4-4's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64912	From: afjeff_56	Date: 5/29/2011
Subject: Re: Richard Steinheimer, master of railroad photography, dies at 81
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64913	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 5/29/2011
Subject: 4 wheel trailing truck on a Reading Locomotive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64914	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/29/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/29/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64915	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/29/2011
Subject: Re: Richard Steinheimer, master of railroad photography, dies at 81
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64916	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/29/2011
Subject: Re: Richard Steinheimer, master of railroad photography, dies at 81
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64917	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/29/2011
Subject: Pacific four wheel trailing truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64918	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/29/2011
Subject: Big Boy question...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64919	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 5/30/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy question...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64920	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 5/30/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy question...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64921	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/30/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy question...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64922	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/30/2011
Subject: Re: Richard Steinheimer, master of railroad photography, dies at 81
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64923	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 5/30/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy question...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64924	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 5/30/2011
Subject: Re: Pacific four wheel trailing truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64925	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 5/30/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Bay Window Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64926	From: doerryn	Date: 5/30/2011
Subject: Yet another way to reverse locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64927	From: Larry Moore	Date: 5/30/2011
Subject: Re: Yet another way to reverse locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64928	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/30/2011
Subject: Customizing old Flyer locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64929	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/30/2011
Subject: Pacific four wheel trailing truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64930	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: SHS Open House this Friday...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64931	From: willisbd	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: My first kitbash project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64932	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: My first kitbash project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64933	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: My first kitbash project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64934	From: John Metzger	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: SHS Open House this Friday...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64935	From: mikenguy9	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in it.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64936	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: My first kitbash project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64937	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: My first kitbash project and Dual Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64938	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: My first kitbash project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64939	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64940	From: cvlk	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: Is it a boxcar or a reefer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64941	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: My first kitbash project and Dual Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64942	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: SHS Open House this Friday...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64943	From: Herbert	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64944	From: Dale Smith	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64945	From: richs009	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: Is it a box car or a reefer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64946	From: Major	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64947	From: jtkeating	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy question...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64948	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in i
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64949	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64950	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: My first kitbash project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64951	From: Dale Smith	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64952	From: william witte	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64953	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy question...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64954	From: Jeff Faust	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: My first kitbash project and Dual Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64955	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: My first kitbash project and Dual Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64956	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64957	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy question...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64958	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64959	From: rapidrail1	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: SHS Open House this Friday...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64960	From: George Cohn	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Bakers Chocolate Tank Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64961	From: Frank	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Bakers Chocolate Tank Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64962	From: R G	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Baker's Chocolate Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64963	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Baker's Chocolate Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64964	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Baker's Chocolate Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64965	From: David Engle	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Baker's Chocolate Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64966	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Bakers Chocolate Tank Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64967	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Bakers Chocolate Tank Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64968	From: Bruce	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64969	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64970	From: jshannon148	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Is it a box car or a reefer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64971	From: R G	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Oil supply ?Depot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64972	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64973	From: Jeff Faust	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: My first kitbash project and Dual Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64974	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64975	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy question...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64976	From: Bill Drake	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64977	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64978	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Is it a box car or a reefer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64979	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy question...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64980	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Question for BG1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64981	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Question for BG1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64982	From: Ben Perry	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Is it a box car or a reefer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64983	From: Alex M	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Question for BG1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64984	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Update on LBR Rubber Tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64985	From: richs009	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Is it a box car or a reefer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64986	From: Dale Smith	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64987	From: Herbert	Date: 6/2/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64988	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 6/2/2011
Subject: Re: Update on LBR Rubber Tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64989	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/2/2011
Subject: Re: SHS Open House tomorrow....a few reminders...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64990	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/2/2011
Subject: Re: SHS Open House tomorrow....a few reminders...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64991	From: alsflyer	Date: 6/2/2011
Subject: Atlas "S" Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64992	From: william cole	Date: 6/2/2011
Subject: Re: Atlas "S" Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64993	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 6/2/2011
Subject: Re: Update on LBR Rubber Tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64994	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/2/2011
Subject: Re: Atlas "S" Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64995	From: R G	Date: 6/2/2011
Subject: Re: SHS Open House tomorrow....a few reminders...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64996	From: wjchadbourne	Date: 6/2/2011
Subject: Pikemaster track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64997	From: Ben	Date: 6/2/2011
Subject: Re: Update on LBR Rubber Tires
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64998	From: Dale Smith	Date: 6/2/2011
Subject: Re: Atlas "S" Gauge Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 64999	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 6/2/2011
Subject: New Layout Tow Truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65000	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: New Layout Tow Truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65001	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: New Layout Tow Truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65002	From: DonR	Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: NASG Convention and American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65003	From: Tony Gervasio	Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: State Farm Cars 2 commercial
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65004	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/5/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/5/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65005	From: sgaugian	Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Alton headlight and U33C
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65006	From: jshannon148	Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: dating childhood train sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65007	From: richs009	Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: dating childhood train sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65008	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Fw: Layout 3
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65009	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Dating childhood train sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65010	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Mike Marmer and His Board Unloader Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65011	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Mike Marmer and His Board Unloader Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65012	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: My first train video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65013	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Overhead video of Lumber car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65014	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Operating Lumber Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65015	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Mike Marmer and His Board Unloader Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65016	From: Tony Gervasio	Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: My first train video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65017	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Mike Marmer and His Board Unloader Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65018	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: My first train video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65019	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: NJ International Signals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65020	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Citgo Sign in Action
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65021	From: Carey Probst	Date: 6/9/2011
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: My first train video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65022	From: Ray Puls	Date: 6/9/2011
Subject: Re: operating lumber car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65023	From: Bruce	Date: 6/9/2011
Subject: Re: Dating childhood train sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65024	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 6/9/2011
Subject: Re: Dating childhood train sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65025	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/9/2011
Subject: Re: red stuff???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65026	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/9/2011
Subject: Re: operating lumber car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65027	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/9/2011
Subject: The way we were...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65028	From: Thorin	Date: 6/9/2011
Subject: Re: Dating childhood train sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65029	From: Carey Probst	Date: 6/9/2011
Subject: Re: The way we were...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65030	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/9/2011
Subject: Re: The way we were...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65031	From: mikejoan45@comcast.net	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: 322 Engine Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65032	From: Bob C	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Show Your Layout July 30 (Long Beach-South Bay, CA)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65033	From: jshannon148	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: dating childhood train sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65034	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Action Refrigerator Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65035	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: red stuff???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65036	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: Dating childhood train sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65037	From: Ken	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: The way we were...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65038	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: Action Refrigerator Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65039	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Action Milk Car, front side
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65040	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: 322 Engine Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65041	From: Herbert	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: 322 Engine Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65042	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: red stuff???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65043	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: 322 Engine Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65044	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: 322 Engine Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65045	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: The way we were...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65046	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: Action Milk Car, front side
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65047	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Milk Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65048	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: The way we were...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65049	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: The way we were...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65050	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: Action Milk Car, front side
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65051	From: richs009	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: 322 Engine Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65052	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: dating childhood train sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65053	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: The way we were...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65054	From: richs009	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: dating childhood train sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65055	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: 322 Engine Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65056	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: dating childhood train sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65057	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/11/2011
Subject: Re: dating childhood train sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65058	From: grant bishop	Date: 6/11/2011
Subject: Re: Action Milk Car, front side
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65059	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 6/11/2011
Subject: Re: The way we were...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65060	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/11/2011
Subject: Re: The way we were...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65061	From: Dale Smith	Date: 6/11/2011
Subject: Re: dating childhood train sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65062	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 6/11/2011
Subject: Mel Nielsen Ballston Locomotive Works
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65063	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/11/2011
Subject: Re: Mel Nielsen Ballston Locomotive Works
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65064	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 6/11/2011
Subject: Re: Milk Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65065	From: Paul	Date: 6/11/2011
Subject: Re: The way we were...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65066	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 6/11/2011
Subject: Re: Mel Nielsen Ballston Locomotive Works
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65067	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/12/2011
Subject: The way we were...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65068	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 6/12/2011
Subject: Re: The way we were...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65069	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/12/2011
Subject: Re: dating childhood train sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65070	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/12/2011
Subject: Re: Milk Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65071	From: hjsheffield	Date: 6/12/2011
Subject: Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65072	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/12/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/12/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65073	From: Gale Hall	Date: 6/12/2011
Subject: dating childhood train sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65074	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 6/13/2011
Subject: Re: dating childhood train sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65075	From: richs009	Date: 6/13/2011
Subject: Re: dating childhood train sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65076	From: lumglum	Date: 6/13/2011
Subject: No. 4024 UP Passenger Train Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65077	From: Dave	Date: 6/13/2011
Subject: CLASSIFIED SALES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65078	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/13/2011
Subject: Re: SHS Extended Open House Sale...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65079	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 6/13/2011
Subject: 720-720A Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65080	From: Dave	Date: 6/14/2011
Subject: "WCEIGE" Acrylic Paints
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65081	From: jim_marski	Date: 6/14/2011
Subject: Fathers day weekend train show in Denver, Colorado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65082	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/14/2011
Subject: Re: 720-720A Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65083	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 6/14/2011
Subject: Part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65084	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 6/14/2011
Subject: Re: 720-720A Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65085	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/14/2011
Subject: Re: Part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65086	From: charlie and edith	Date: 6/14/2011
Subject: Turnout Numbering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65087	From: Dave	Date: 6/14/2011
Subject: WCEIGE Brand Acrylic Paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65088	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/14/2011
Subject: No. 4024 UP Passenger Train Set.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65089	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/15/2011
Subject: Re: Turnout Numbering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65090	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 6/15/2011
Subject: Re: Part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65091	From: Dave	Date: 6/15/2011
Subject: TT Wheels, LARGE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65092	From: Dave	Date: 6/15/2011
Subject: Tender Replacement Steps Set, AF #320 Series Hudsons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65093	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 6/16/2011
Subject: "S"acto Convention -- ONLY SEVEN LEFT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65094	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/16/2011
Subject: Bar Codes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65095	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/16/2011
Subject: pilot trucks that won't stay on track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65096	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/16/2011
Subject: Re: Bar Codes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65097	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/16/2011
Subject: Re: Bar Codes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65098	From: George Cohn	Date: 6/16/2011
Subject: Re: Bar Codes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65099	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: Re: pilot trucks that won't stay on track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65100	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: Bar Codes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65101	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: Re: pilot trucks that won't stay on track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65102	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: Re: pilot trucks that won't stay on track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65103	From: rick gough	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: Re: pilot trucks that won't stay on track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65104	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: Re: STICK ON WEIGHTS.....Try this link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65105	From: R G	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: Re: Wheel weights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65106	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: Re: pilot trucks that won't stay on track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65107	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: Re: Wooden barrels and wooden boxes in "S"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65108	From: Bob	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65109	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: Derailments problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65110	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: Re: Wheel weights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65111	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: Re: pilot trucks that won't stay on track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65112	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: PUTT Trains website???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65113	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: Re: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65114	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/18/2011
Subject: Re: 1940's 50's garbage truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65115	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/18/2011
Subject: Putt Trains website?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65116	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 6/19/2011
Subject: Press Release re: "S"acto National Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65117	From: sscale@bestweb.net	Date: 6/19/2011
Subject: Re: Bar Codes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65118	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 6/19/2011
Subject: Drive-in Theatre
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65119	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/19/2011
Subject: Re;Drive-In Theater
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65120	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 6/19/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65121	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/19/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/19/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65122	From: rapidrail1	Date: 6/20/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65123	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/20/2011
Subject: Re: TEST
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65124	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/20/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65125	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 6/20/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65126	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/20/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65127	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/20/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65128	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 6/20/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65129	From: rapidrail1	Date: 6/20/2011
Subject: New photos added
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65130	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/20/2011
Subject: Drive-In Theater
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65131	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/20/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65132	From: John Metzger	Date: 6/20/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-In Theater
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65133	From: charlie and edith	Date: 6/20/2011
Subject: Re: Turnout Numbering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65134	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/20/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-In Theater
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65135	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65136	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: Re: Turnout Numbering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65137	From: Mark	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: Drive in
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65138	From: George Cohn	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-In Theater
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65139	From: Rhett George	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: Drive-In Theater
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65140	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: GM&O Passenger Cars for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65141	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: American Models Boxcars for Sale - Southern Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65142	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: SHS D&H Bulkhead Flatcar with Pulpwood Load for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65143	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-In Theater
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65144	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: WiThrottle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65145	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: Lt, Col. William McReynolds interviews (train related stories)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65146	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: Re: American Models Boxcars for Sale - Southern Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65147	From: Ken Christiansen	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65148	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: Re: Part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65149	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65150	From: George Cohn	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Old Railway Inspection Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65151	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Drive In Movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65152	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} GM&O Passenger Cars for sale - SOLD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65153	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} American Models Boxcars for Sale - Southern Pacif
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65154	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-In Theater
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65155	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Re: WiThrottle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65156	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: "S"acto e-store schedule
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65157	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Drive-In Theater
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65158	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Sacramento NMRA convention -- Banquet & Nonquet Explanation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65159	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65160	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65161	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Re: Drive In Movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65162	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-In Theater
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65163	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Re: DRIVE INS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65164	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-In Theater
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65165	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Re: Sacramento NMRA convention -- Banquet & Nonquet Explanation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65166	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65167	From: Carey Probst	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65168	From: Carey Probst	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: DRIVE INS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65169	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65170	From: Carey Probst	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65171	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: C&O Canal (train related)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65172	From: Jerry	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65173	From: Jerry	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65174	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65175	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: RPM in conjunction with "S"acto....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65176	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65177	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65178	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65179	From: Robert Conner	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65180	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65181	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65182	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65183	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 6/24/2011
Subject: NEW TOUR @ "S"acto
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65184	From: Brady	Date: 6/24/2011
Subject: Re: WiThrottle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65185	From: Carey Probst	Date: 6/24/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65186	From: R G	Date: 6/24/2011
Subject: Re: C&O Canal (train related)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65187	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 6/25/2011
Subject: magnetic couplers for American flyer tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65188	From: Thorin	Date: 6/25/2011
Subject: James C. "Jim" Peterson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65189	From: Kevin	Date: 6/25/2011
Subject: American Flyer S and HO for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65190	From: Greene, Michael	Date: 6/25/2011
Subject: Re: WiThrottle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65191	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/25/2011
Subject: Re: WiThrottle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65192	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 6/25/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer S and HO for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65193	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 6/25/2011
Subject: Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65194	From: Eric	Date: 6/25/2011
Subject: Saturday morning Housecleaning (Warning For Sale items)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65195	From: Eric	Date: 6/25/2011
Subject: Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65196	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 6/25/2011
Subject: Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65197	From: Bruce	Date: 6/26/2011
Subject: Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65198	From: rapidrail1	Date: 6/26/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer S and HO for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65199	From: Herbert	Date: 6/26/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer S and HO for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65200	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/26/2011
Subject: train video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65201	From: Joseph H	Date: 6/26/2011
Subject: Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65202	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/26/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/26/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65203	From: portlines	Date: 6/26/2011
Subject: NASG-Sacramento Swap Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65204	From: Bruce	Date: 6/26/2011
Subject: Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65205	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 6/26/2011
Subject: Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65206	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 6/26/2011
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} train video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65207	From: jtkeating	Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: Large Amount of AF S Gauge Track and Roadbed for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65208	From: Bruce	Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65209	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: Re: Drive In Movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65210	From: Bill Lane	Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: LCL Container project update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65211	From: R G	Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: Re: magnetic couplers for American flyer tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65212	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65213	From: Bruce	Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65214	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: Re: Drive In Movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65215	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: Only from "S"illy Cone Valley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65216	From: jshannon148	Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: paint or plastic?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65217	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: Conway RR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65218	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: Club needs trailer parking space at X2011
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65219	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: Club needs Trailer parking space at X2011
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65220	From: Gale Hall	Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: Re: paint or plastic?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65221	From: pdpfpd	Date: 6/28/2011
Subject: AF 300 possible type II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65222	From: R G	Date: 6/28/2011
Subject: Re: AF 300 possible type II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65223	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 6/28/2011
Subject: Re: AF 300 possible type II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65224	From: Jeff Faust	Date: 6/28/2011
Subject: Sibley Layout Diagram
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65225	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/29/2011
Subject: Sibley Layout Design
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65226	From: jshannon148	Date: 6/29/2011
Subject: Re: Sibley Layout Design
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65227	From: John Degnan	Date: 6/29/2011
Subject: American Models 46' Flat Car UNDERSIDE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65228	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/30/2011
Subject: New San Diego S-Gaugers video on YouTube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65229	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 6/30/2011
Subject: d&rgw
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65230	From: jshannon148	Date: 6/30/2011
Subject: Re: paint or plastic?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65231	From: Jeff Faust	Date: 6/30/2011
Subject: Re: Sibley Layout Design
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65232	From: Bill Drake	Date: 6/30/2011
Subject: Re: paint or plastic?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65233	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 6/30/2011
Subject: Paper Adhesive On Franklin Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65234	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/30/2011
Subject: Re: PAINT OR PLASTIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65235	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 6/30/2011
Subject: "S"acto Welcoming Gathering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65236	From: Louis	Date: 7/1/2011
Subject: Corrugated Paper Wrap
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65237	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 7/1/2011
Subject: Re: Paper Adhesive On Franklin Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65238	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/1/2011
Subject: Re: d&rgw
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65239	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/1/2011
Subject: Re: CANADA DAY!!! in the town of D&K RR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65240	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 7/1/2011
Subject: Re: Corrugated Paper Wrap
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65241	From: rxman46321@aol.com	Date: 7/1/2011
Subject: American Hi-rail DL-109
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65242	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/1/2011
Subject: CANADA DAY!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65243	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/1/2011
Subject: TCA Quarterly Track Clips AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65244	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/1/2011
Subject: Re: Paper Adhesive On Franklin Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65245	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/1/2011
Subject: Rusty Keith
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65246	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 7/1/2011
Subject: Re: Paper Adhesive On Franklin Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65247	From: frank emiro	Date: 7/1/2011
Subject: Re: Paper Adhesive On Franklin Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65248	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 7/2/2011
Subject: Re: Paper Adhesive On Franklin Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65249	From: JOHN KEATING	Date: 7/2/2011
Subject: Paper Adhesive on Franklin Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65250	From: lne1957	Date: 7/2/2011
Subject: SHS highrail wheel set available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65251	From: Keith O.	Date: 7/2/2011
Subject: Re: SHS highrail wheel set available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65252	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 7/2/2011
Subject: Custom Hot Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65253	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 7/3/2011
Subject: "S"acto Convention Layout Tour
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65254	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/3/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/3/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65255	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 7/3/2011
Subject: Re: Paper Adhesive On Franklin Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65256	From: Jim Eberhardy	Date: 7/4/2011
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/3/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65257	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/4/2011
Subject: Re: Sunday Evening Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65258	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 7/4/2011
Subject: Re: Sunday Evening Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65259	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/4/2011
Subject: Re: Sunday Evening Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65260	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 7/4/2011
Subject: "S"acto NASG Roundhouse Revue and BBQ Too!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65261	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 7/4/2011
Subject: Re: Sunday Evening Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65262	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/4/2011
Subject: Re: Sunday Evening Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65263	From: Ray Puls	Date: 7/5/2011
Subject: Fw: Chuck Porter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65264	From: Ray Puls	Date: 7/5/2011
Subject: Sunday evening chat, Charles Porter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65265	From: michael prell	Date: 7/5/2011
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/3/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65266	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 7/5/2011
Subject: Email address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65267	From: ghslaw31	Date: 7/5/2011
Subject: Something Different for Your Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65268	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/5/2011
Subject: Recycled PC for the Train Room
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65269	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 7/6/2011
Subject: Re: Recycled PC for the Train Room
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65270	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 7/6/2011
Subject: "S"acto Schedules.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65271	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 7/6/2011
Subject: "S"acto in real time (almost)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65272	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: Davids Eats
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65273	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: Fw: Davids Eats Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65274	From: Jim Schall	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: wheel sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65275	From: Dave	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: NEW POLL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65276	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: Re: Email address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65277	From: George Cohn	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: Re: Recycled PC for the Train Room
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65278	From: Larry Moore	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: need tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65279	From: Frank	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: Re: NEW POLL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65280	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Davids Eats Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65281	From: Brady	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: Re: Recycled PC for the Train Room
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65282	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: add to poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65283	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: Fw: News and Specials from Flying Yankee Restoration Group, Inc.!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65284	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Davids Eats Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65285	From: jshannon148	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: Re: PAINT OR PLASTIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65286	From: Al	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: Fw: Amusement Park Train For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65287	From: Ray Puls	Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: new poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65288	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: PAINT OR PLASTIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65289	From: Tony Gervasio	Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: NEW POLL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65290	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: Recycled PC for the Train Room... Toaster Envy.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65291	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Amusement Park Train for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65292	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: Amusement Park Train for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65293	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Tender Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65294	From: lionely6b	Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: PAINT OR PLASTIC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65295	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: Amusement Park Train for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65296	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: "S"acto in real time (almost)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65297	From: bob moyer	Date: 7/9/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Amusement Park Train For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65298	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 7/9/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Amusement Park Train For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65299	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/9/2011
Subject: Amusement Park Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65300	From: ghslaw31	Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: CTA 4000
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65301	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: Amusement Park Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65302	From: First	Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: S South 2011 - Richmond, VA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65303	From: Boxcarmike464	Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: Amusement Park Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65304	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Amusement park trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65305	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/10/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65306	From: Al	Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Amusement Park Train For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65307	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/11/2011
Subject: Videos form the 2011 NMRA National
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65308	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/11/2011
Subject: Wally's General Merchandise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65309	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/11/2011
Subject: Re: Wally's General Merchandise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65310	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/11/2011
Subject: Lack of Videos form the 2011 NMRA National
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65311	From: Rhett George	Date: 7/11/2011
Subject: Amusement Park Train For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65312	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/11/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/11/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65313	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/11/2011
Subject: Re: Wally's General Merchandise
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65314	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 7/11/2011
Subject: Re: Lack of Videos form the 2011 NMRA National
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65315	From: Dale Smith	Date: 7/12/2011
Subject: Re: Lack of Videos form the 2011 NMRA National
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65316	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 7/12/2011
Subject: Re: Lack of Videos form the 2011 NMRA National
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65317	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/13/2011
Subject: Re: Lack of Videos form the 2011 NMRA National
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65318	From: JOHN and CAROL	Date: 7/13/2011
Subject: Re: Lack of Videos form the 2011 NMRA National
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65319	From: jim_marski	Date: 7/14/2011
Subject: PRS Kits for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65320	From: Mellon, Jay	Date: 7/15/2011
Subject: Report from NASG/NMRA Convention (X2011)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65321	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 7/15/2011
Subject: Re: Report from NASG/NMRA Convention (X2011)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65322	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 7/15/2011
Subject: Incorrect Website Address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65323	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 7/15/2011
Subject: American Flyer Offerings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65324	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/15/2011
Subject: For Sale: New GarGraves straight rigid track with wood ties
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65325	From: Dave	Date: 7/15/2011
Subject: Slope Back Tender Kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65326	From: barb	Date: 7/16/2011
Subject: X2011 reports
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65327	From: alsflyer	Date: 7/17/2011
Subject: American Flyer 355 Baldwin Diesel Locomotive Shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65328	From: Dale Smith	Date: 7/17/2011
Subject: American Flyer Displays website address.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65329	From: richs009	Date: 7/17/2011
Subject: X2011 'newbie' report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65330	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/17/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/18/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65331	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 7/17/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer 355 Baldwin Diesel Locomotive Shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65332	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/17/2011
Subject: Roller Coaster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65333	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/18/2011
Subject: Most Represented Prototype Road
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65334	From: frank emiro	Date: 7/18/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65335	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 7/18/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65336	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/18/2011
Subject: Alphabet RR's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65337	From: Herbert	Date: 7/18/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65338	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/18/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/18/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65339	From: Dave	Date: 7/18/2011
Subject: NEW PRODUCTS UPDATE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65340	From: Frank	Date: 7/18/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65341	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 7/18/2011
Subject: Re: Alphabet RR's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65342	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/18/2011
Subject: Most represented prototype railroad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65343	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 7/19/2011
Subject: Re: Most represented prototype railroad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65344	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 7/19/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65345	From: cvlk	Date: 7/19/2011
Subject: Re: Most represented prototype railroad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65346	From: Frank	Date: 7/19/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65347	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/19/2011
Subject: Locomotive prototypes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65348	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 7/19/2011
Subject: Re: Locomotive prototypes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65349	From: Bob	Date: 7/19/2011
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Website Updates & Other News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65350	From: cvlk	Date: 7/19/2011
Subject: Re: Most represented prototype railroad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65351	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 7/19/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65352	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65353	From: R G	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65354	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Most Represented Prototype Road
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65355	From: R G	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65356	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65357	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65358	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65359	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65360	From: tgrebo	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: 751 log loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65361	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65362	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65363	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65364	From: Bill	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Gilbert Road Name Frequency by type of device
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65365	From: richs009	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65366	From: richs009	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Re: 751 log loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65367	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Re: 751 log loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65368	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/21/2011
Subject: Most represented prototype road
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65369	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 7/21/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert Road Name Frequency by type of device
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65370	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/21/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert Road Name Frequency by type of device
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65371	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 7/21/2011
Subject: Re: Most represented prototype road
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65372	From: Tom Grabinski	Date: 7/21/2011
Subject: Re: 751 log loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65373	From: Tom Grabinski	Date: 7/21/2011
Subject: Re: 751 log loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65374	From: jim_marski	Date: 7/21/2011
Subject: American Flyer Spreckels Sugar Hopper Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65375	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/21/2011
Subject: Re: MOQ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65376	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 7/21/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer Spreckels Sugar Hopper Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65377	From: Bruce	Date: 7/21/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert Road Name Frequency by type of device
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65378	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/21/2011
Subject: Re: MOQ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65379	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/21/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65380	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/21/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert Road Name Frequency by type of device
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65381	From: richs009	Date: 7/21/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert Road Name Frequency by type of device
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65382	From: Dave	Date: 7/22/2011
Subject: SCULLIN DISK HUBS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65383	From: Carey Probst	Date: 7/22/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert Road Name Frequency by type of device
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65384	From: ron plyler	Date: 7/22/2011
Subject: Re: SCULLIN DISK HUBS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65385	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 7/22/2011
Subject: Caboose Prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65386	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 7/22/2011
Subject: Re: SCULLIN DISK HUBS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65387	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/22/2011
Subject: Re: Caboose Prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65388	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/22/2011
Subject: Re: Caboose Prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65389	From: Dale Smith	Date: 7/22/2011
Subject: New Videos and Photos of the Sibley Display Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65390	From: richs009	Date: 7/22/2011
Subject: Re: Caboose Prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65391	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/22/2011
Subject: Re: Caboose Prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65392	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 7/23/2011
Subject: Re: Caboose Prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65393	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 7/23/2011
Subject: Re: New Videos and Photos of the Sibley Display Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65394	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/23/2011
Subject: Re: New Videos and Photos of the Sibley Display Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65395	From: Mike Lenssen	Date: 7/23/2011
Subject: Re: SCULLIN DISK HUBS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65396	From: Dave	Date: 7/23/2011
Subject: EXTEND-A-BUNKER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65397	From: Jeff Faust	Date: 7/23/2011
Subject: Re: New Videos and Photos of the Sibley Display Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65398	From: Dale Smith	Date: 7/23/2011
Subject: Re: New Videos and Photos of the Sibley Display Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65399	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/23/2011
Subject: Sign for a cow field.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65400	From: jim_marski	Date: 7/23/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer Spreckels Sugar Hopper Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65401	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/23/2011
Subject: Video - Getting the Most from a Small Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65402	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/24/2011
Subject: Video-Getting the most from a small layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65403	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/24/2011
Subject: Re: A small S portable layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65404	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/24/2011
Subject: For sale: AM, SHS, AF, ERTL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65405	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/24/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/25/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65406	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/24/2011
Subject: Tehachapi Loop Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65407	From: Dave	Date: 7/25/2011
Subject: Kit Bashing Kits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65408	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/25/2011
Subject: For sale: D2007 1957 West catalog P-9 (New) condition
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65409	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/25/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/25/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65410	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/25/2011
Subject: Rock Island Heritage Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65411	From: David Engle	Date: 7/25/2011
Subject: Re: Rock Island Heritage Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65412	From: frank emiro	Date: 7/25/2011
Subject: Rock Island ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65413	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/25/2011
Subject: DeKalb Corn Field Signs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65414	From: frank emiro	Date: 7/25/2011
Subject: Re: Rock Island ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65415	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/25/2011
Subject: Free Kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65416	From: David Engle	Date: 7/25/2011
Subject: Re: Rock Island ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65417	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/26/2011
Subject: Latest Projects
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65418	From: Bob C	Date: 7/26/2011
Subject: Final Call For Central Coast Railroad Festival Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65419	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 7/26/2011
Subject: Re: Latest Projects
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65420	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/26/2011
Subject: Loco Bashing 101: Painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65421	From: rick gough	Date: 7/27/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65422	From: Tom David	Date: 7/27/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65423	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65424	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65425	From: Brady	Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65426	From: Brady	Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: TA Episodes with Flyer / S gauge segments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65427	From: rick gough	Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65428	From: mark_h_charles	Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: Free Kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65429	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65430	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65431	From: Carey Probst	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65432	From: rick gough	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65433	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65434	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Free Kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65435	From: R G	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65436	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65437	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65438	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Burma-Shave Jingles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65439	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65440	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65441	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Burma-Shave Jingles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65442	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Burma-Shave Jingles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65443	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Burma-Shave Jingles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65444	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65445	From: Dave	Date: 7/30/2011
Subject: BURMA SHAVE Signs Poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65446	From: Dave	Date: 7/30/2011
Subject: EXTEND-A-BUNKER Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65447	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 7/30/2011
Subject: Re: Burma-Shave Jingles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65448	From: rick gough	Date: 7/30/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65449	From: rick gough	Date: 7/30/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65450	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/30/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65451	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/30/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65452	From: Dave	Date: 7/30/2011
Subject: SLOPE BACK TENDER KIT #CAT73111-1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65453	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: Clever Models Company House Kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65454	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: Re: TA Episodes with Flyer / S gauge segments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65455	From: Dave	Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: #21088 METAL COW CATCHER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65456	From: Michael.McConnell	Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: Re: Burma-Shave Jingles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65457	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: Re: Burma-Shave Jingles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65458	From: barb	Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: Update Photo Album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65459	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: Re: Burma-Shave Jingles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65460	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: Re: Update Photo Album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65461	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: Re: Update Photo Album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65462	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/1/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65463	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: Latest "Bash"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65464	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: Re: Update Photo Album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65465	From: charlie and edith	Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: Spout Off
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65466	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: Re: Latest "Bash"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65467	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: Re: Update Photo Album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65468	From: workinalure	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: Re: Update Photo Album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65469	From: aztecfan	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: a train song from the 50's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65470	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: Re: Update Photo Album
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65471	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: Re: Latest "Bash"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65472	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: Re: a train song from the 50's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65473	From: Al Baker	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: Re: Latest "Bash"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65474	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: A Frame for a Ten Wheeler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65475	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/1/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65476	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: Latest "bash"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65477	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: Re: A frame for a Ten Wheeler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65478	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: S scale trains for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65479	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: Re: Privacy Concerns.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65480	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: Re: TA Episodes with Flyer / S gauge segments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65481	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: Relevance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65482	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 8/2/2011
Subject: Re: Latest "bash"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65483	From: Bob C	Date: 8/2/2011
Subject: Images From Layout Tour #26
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65484	From: barb	Date: 8/3/2011
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5367
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65485	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 8/3/2011
Subject: Re: A frame for a Ten Wheeler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65486	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/3/2011
Subject: Western Maryland RR site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65487	From: Dave	Date: 8/4/2011
Subject: ATLANTIC Quartering Tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65488	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 8/4/2011
Subject: New AF Offers on Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65489	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/4/2011
Subject: San Diego S-Gaugers yard operations video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65490	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/4/2011
Subject: FYI from Mike
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65491	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 8/4/2011
Subject: Re: Caboose Prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65492	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/4/2011
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Western Maryland RR site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65493	From: frank emiro	Date: 8/4/2011
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers yard operations video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65494	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/4/2011
Subject: Re: Caboose Prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65495	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 8/4/2011
Subject: Re: Caboose Prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65496	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 8/4/2011
Subject: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65497	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 8/4/2011
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers yard operations video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65498	From: Neil Trump	Date: 8/4/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Quartering Tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65499	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Quartering Tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65500	From: Roy	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65501	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Quartering Tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65502	From: NEIL TRUMP	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Quartering Tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65503	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Quartering Tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65504	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65505	From: NEIL TRUMP	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Quartering Tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65506	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Quartering Tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65507	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: "Hi-rail Philosophy"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65508	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65509	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re: "Hi-rail Philosophy"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65510	From: Neil Trump	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Quartering Tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65511	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Quartering Tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65512	From: Neil Trump	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Quartering Tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65513	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re: "Hi-rail Philosophy"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65514	From: rlg44	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Lionel/American Flyer 'Challenger' ship date slippage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65515	From: Chilberto	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: "Hi-rail Philosophy"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65516	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel/American Flyer 'Challenger' ship date slippage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65517	From: Ray Puls	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Hi Rail Philosophy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65518	From: Ray Puls	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Challenger shipping date slippage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65519	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel/American Flyer 'Challenger' ship date slippage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65520	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Brick paper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65521	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"? & Lionel/American Flyer 'Cha
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65522	From: frank emiro	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: "Hi-rail Philosophy"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65523	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Brick paper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65524	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"? & Lionel/American Flyer 'Cha
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65525	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Brick paper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65526	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65527	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65528	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Operations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65529	From: Timboy	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65530	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65531	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65532	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65533	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65534	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: "Hi-rail Philosophy"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65535	From: Dale Smith	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Hall of Science Layout Display at York in 2006
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65536	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Simple "Car Card" operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65537	From: Ben	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: #790 Train-O-Rama Value?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65538	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel/American Flyer 'Challenger' ship date slippage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65539	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/8/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65540	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel/American Flyer 'Challenger' ship date slippage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65541	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65542	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: American Flyer Videos (was: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65543	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: #790 Train-O-Rama Value?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65544	From: Eric	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65545	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65546	From: Eric	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: UP and GN Lionel-Flyer for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65547	From: Herbert	Date: 8/8/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65548	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/8/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65549	From: R G	Date: 8/8/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65550	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 8/8/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65551	From: gabern1@verizon.net	Date: 8/8/2011
Subject: Blatant Ad - Iron Rail Models Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65552	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/8/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/8/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65553	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/8/2011
Subject: Re: #790 Train-O-Rama Value?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65554	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/8/2011
Subject: New Three Rail Crossing on Layout - Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65555	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/8/2011
Subject: Re: #790 Train-O-Rama Value?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65556	From: Dale Smith	Date: 8/9/2011
Subject: Re: New Stuff at American Flyer Displays website and a mystery solve
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65557	From: lember2004	Date: 8/9/2011
Subject: revitalize a spring?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65558	From: Dale Smith	Date: 8/9/2011
Subject: New Stuff at American Flyer Displays website and a mystery solved
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65559	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/9/2011
Subject: Final Bash of the Season
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65560	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 8/9/2011
Subject: Fw: question about my American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65561	From: Al Baker	Date: 8/9/2011
Subject: Re: Final Bash of the Season
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65562	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 8/9/2011
Subject: Screws
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65563	From: Dave	Date: 8/9/2011
Subject: AF 4-4-2 Drive Wheel Tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65564	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 8/9/2011
Subject: Re: #790 Train-O-Rama Value?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65565	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 8/9/2011
Subject: Re: Screws
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65566	From: David Haslauer	Date: 8/9/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: question about my American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65567	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/9/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: question about my American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65568	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/9/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: question about my American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65569	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/9/2011
Subject: Re: Screws
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65570	From: Brady	Date: 8/10/2011
Subject: Paul Yorke's Cardstock Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65571	From: rick gough	Date: 8/10/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: question about my American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65572	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/10/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: question about my American Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65573	From: strain97009	Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Possible trade ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65574	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Economy in Dingburg, MD, USA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65575	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 8/13/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Quartering Tool
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65576	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/13/2011
Subject: Economy Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65577	From: Dave	Date: 8/13/2011
Subject: NEW QUARTERING TOOL (AF 4-4-2, 4-6-2, 4-6-4, 4-8-8)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65578	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 8/13/2011
Subject: Re: Economy in Dingburg, MD, USA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65579	From: Scott Freeman	Date: 8/13/2011
Subject: Re: Economy in Dingburg, MD, USA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65580	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Economy in Dingburg, MD, USA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65581	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: 751 Log Loader Logs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65582	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Counting Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65583	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Economy in Dingburg, MD, USA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65584	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Economy in Dingburg, MD, USA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65585	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: 751 Log Loader Logs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65586	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Research on the Internet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65587	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: 751 Log Loader Logs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65588	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Economy in Dingburg, MD, USA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65589	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/15/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65590	From: wd511@att.net	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: K-line diesel fuel station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65591	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Did Gilbert make?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65592	From: alguckes2001	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: On30 Bachmann
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65593	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65594	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Central Jersey S Scalers 30th Fall Get Together...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65595	From: Donald Keil	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Train Show in Berea OH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65596	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Research on the Internet... GO TO THE LIABARY...!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65597	From: Brady	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Did Gilbert make?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65598	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65599	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/15/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65600	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING CHAT?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65601	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65602	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65603	From: Al Baker	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/15/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65604	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65605	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Big Nate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65606	From: don@showcaseline.com	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: Big Nate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65607	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65608	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65609	From: rapidrail1	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65610	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65611	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Steve Blancard's custom AF Franklins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65612	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/15/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65613	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: On30 Bachmann
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65614	From: Brady	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: Steve Blancard's custom AF Franklins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65615	From: Dale Smith	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING CHAT?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65616	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Anybody doing Free-Mo S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65617	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/15/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65618	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: Anybody doing Free-Mo S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65619	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65620	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING CHAT?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65621	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: Anybody doing Free-Mo S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65622	From: Alex	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: Anybody doing Free-Mo S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65623	From: Alex	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: Anybody doing Free-Mo S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65624	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65625	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: Anybody doing Free-Mo S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65626	From: Dale Smith	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: Anybody doing Free-Mo S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65627	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: On30 Bachmann
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65628	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65629	From: rapidrail1	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65630	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: What's it mean?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65631	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Sunday Evening Chat Fix
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65632	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65633	From: EDWARD	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65634	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Big Nate Yard Sale Comic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65635	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65636	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Re: Big Nate Yard Sale Comic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65637	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65638	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65639	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65640	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: AF Type Caboose Restoration Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65641	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Re: What's it mean? ..... SIO?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65642	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Re: Anybody doing Free-Mo S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65643	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Re: Anybody doing Free-Mo S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65644	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Re: AF Type Caboose Restoration Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65645	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Re: Anybody doing Free-Mo S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65646	From: richs009	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: caboose prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65647	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Re: caboose prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65648	From: Frank	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Re: caboose prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65649	From: Dave	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: NEW RIMS & TRACTION RIMS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65650	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Re: caboose prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65651	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Re: caboose prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65652	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Re: caboose prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65653	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Re: Anybody doing Free-Mo S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65654	From: Al Baker	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Re: caboose prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65655	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Bowser & Flyer Figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65656	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Re: Bowser & Flyer figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65657	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Re: What's it mean? ..... SIO?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65658	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Big Nate Yard Sale part 4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65659	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Re: caboose prototype
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65660	From: R G	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Re: Bowser & Flyer Figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65661	From: Larry Moore	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Re: NEW RIMS & TRACTION RIMS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65662	From: Dave	Date: 8/19/2011
Subject: NEW RIMS ARE READY FOR PURCHASE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65663	From: lamontcranston1946	Date: 8/19/2011
Subject: Ridgely Maryland & The Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65664	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 8/19/2011
Subject: NMRA Followup - Utube Best of Show - includes info on Free Mo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65665	From: Dave	Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Traction Rim Installation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65666	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: WOW! 2012 Convention Car is NC&StL yellow-stripe boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65667	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Re: Ridgely Maryland & The Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65668	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Re: Bowser & Flyer Figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65669	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/21/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65670	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/21/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/21/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65671	From: John M	Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Brill
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65672	From: Gregory	Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Iron Rail Models - Blatant Advertising
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65673	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Re: Brill
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65674	From: Dale Smith	Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Re: Brill
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65675	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: What's in Your Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65676	From: wd511@att.net	Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Gargraves turnout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65677	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Re: Gargraves turnout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65678	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Thurmont MD rail line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65679	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: Gargraves turnout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65680	From: wd511@att.net	Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: Re: Gargraves turnout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65681	From: John	Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: Holy Smoke! LED headlight quadruples smoke output
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65682	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: Re: Gargraves turnout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65683	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: Re: Holy Smoke! LED headlight quadruples smoke output
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65684	From: Dave	Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: NEW QUARTERING TOOL PHOTO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65685	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Earthquake
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65686	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: Big Nate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65687	From: Dave	Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: ULTIMATE WHEEL PULLER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65688	From: Carey Probst	Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Earthquake
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65689	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Website for NMRA Clinic handouts - Sacramento Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65690	From: Ken	Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: Iron Rail Models - Blatant Advertising
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65691	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Rod Stewart's Hidden Beverly Hills HO Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65692	From: sgaugian	Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: NEW QUARTERING TOOL PHOTO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65693	From: Gregory	Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Iron Rail Models - Blatant advertising
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65694	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: NEW QUARTERING TOOL PHOTO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65695	From: sgaugian	Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: Rod Stewart's Hidden Beverly Hills HO Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65696	From: Ben	Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Big Boy Woes...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65697	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65698	From: Ben	Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65699	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65700	From: adrian.phillips52	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: South Dock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65701	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65702	From: Ben	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65703	From: Ben	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65704	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65705	From: Coonass	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: possibly rare 640 hopper car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65706	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: possibly rare 640 hopper car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65707	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65708	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: possibly rare 640 hopper car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65709	From: mike jones	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: possibly rare 640 hopper car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65710	From: Bruce	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: possibly rare 640 hopper car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65711	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: NASG Convention Questions - 2012 Chattanooga Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65712	From: R G	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65713	From: Dale Smith	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: NEW QUARTERING TOOL PHOTO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65714	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Big Nate's Further adventure
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65715	From: sgaugian	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65716	From: sgaugian	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65717	From: Dave	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Quartering Tool Weight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65718	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: NEW QUARTERING TOOL PHOTO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65719	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: S Helper Smoke Units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65720	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65721	From: benperryjr	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65722	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65723	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65724	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65725	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Big Boy Woes...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65726	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: S Helper Smoke Units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65727	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65728	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Fred Jester
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65729	From: Bill Drake	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Big Boy Woes...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65730	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: Fred Jester
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65731	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Big Boy Woes...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65732	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65733	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: Fred Jester
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65734	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: S Helper Smoke Units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65735	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: CBC Radio Coin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65736	From: George Cohn	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: Fred Jester
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65737	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Dept 56 Uptown Motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65738	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65739	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65740	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: Fred Jester
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65741	From: Ken Christiansen	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65742	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: World's most dangerous market.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65743	From: Larry Moore	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Craggy Mountain Lines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65744	From: sgaugian	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: Fred Jester
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65745	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: Fred Jester
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65746	From: adrian.phillips52	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Ideas for developments for S Scale in New Zealand
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65747	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Black Gunk on your track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65748	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: S Gauge Crossing Gates
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65749	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Fred Jester
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65750	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Uptown Motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65751	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Blank gunk on your track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65752	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Re: Black Gunk on your track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65753	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Re: Bill Drake
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65754	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Re: World's most dangerous market.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65755	From: Thorin	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Banquet start time at Fall S-Fest in St Louis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65756	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Uptown Motors Adapter Info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65757	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Re: Fred Jester
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65758	From: Dale Smith	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Re: Black Gunk on your track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65759	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Re: Black Gunk on your track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65760	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Re: Black Gunk on your track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65761	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Re: Black Gunk on your track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65762	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Re: Black Gunk on your track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65763	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/28/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65764	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Re: Black Gunk on your track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65765	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Re: Black Gunk on your track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65766	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Black gunk on your track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65767	From: flguz	Date: 8/28/2011
Subject: BLACK GUNK ON THE RAILS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65768	From: rick gough	Date: 8/28/2011
Subject: Re: Black Gunk on your track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65769	From: rick gough	Date: 8/28/2011
Subject: Re: S Gauge Crossing Gates
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65770	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/28/2011
Subject: Re: BLACK GUNK ON THE RAILS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65771	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/28/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/28/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65772	From: Ben	Date: 8/28/2011
Subject: Broken and forgotten 654 observation gets new lease on life...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65773	From: Ben	Date: 8/28/2011
Subject: Re: Fred Jester
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65774	From: Eric	Date: 8/28/2011
Subject: Flyer Newer Lionel type) for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65775	From: Timboy	Date: 8/29/2011
Subject: Re: BLACK GUNK ON THE RAILS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65776	From: Frank	Date: 8/29/2011
Subject: Re: Flyer Newer Lionel type) for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65777	From: Mike Andrzejewski	Date: 8/29/2011
Subject: Re: Broken and forgotten 654 observation gets new lease on life...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65778	From: Eric	Date: 8/29/2011
Subject: Re: Flyer Newer Lionel type) for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65779	From: Ben	Date: 8/29/2011
Subject: Re: Broken and forgotten 654 observation gets new lease on life...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65780	From: sgaugian	Date: 8/30/2011
Subject: Re: Black Gunk on your track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65781	From: sgaugian	Date: 8/30/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Whoas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65782	From: piccu56	Date: 8/31/2011
Subject: Re: Fred Jester
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65783	From: piccu56	Date: 8/31/2011
Subject: Anyone KNow of Alternate Buy/Sell Venues Other Than The Bay?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65784	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 8/31/2011
Subject: Free Cardstock Jeep Kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65785	From: Ben	Date: 9/1/2011
Subject: Re: Anyone KNow of Alternate Buy/Sell Venues Other Than The Bay?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65786	From: rapidrail1	Date: 9/1/2011
Subject: Interesting prototype engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65787	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/1/2011
Subject: Re: Let's change gauges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65788	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/1/2011
Subject: Re: Interesting prototype engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65789	From: frank emiro	Date: 9/1/2011
Subject: Re: Interesting prototype engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65790	From: Frank	Date: 9/1/2011
Subject: Re: Interesting prototype engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65791	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/1/2011
Subject: Interesting prototype engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65792	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 9/1/2011
Subject: Re: Interesting prototype engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65793	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/1/2011
Subject: Re: NASG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65794	From: Samuel J. McCoy	Date: 9/1/2011
Subject: Re: NASG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65795	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/1/2011
Subject: Re: NASG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65796	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 9/2/2011
Subject: Re: NASG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65797	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/2/2011
Subject: Re: NASG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65798	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 9/2/2011
Subject: Re: Interesting prototype engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65799	From: Bob	Date: 9/2/2011
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine Back Issue Clearance Sale Announcement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65800	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/2/2011
Subject: Re: Interesting prototype engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65801	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/2/2011
Subject: Puzzled
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65802	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/3/2011
Subject: Re: Puzzled
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65803	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 9/3/2011
Subject: Own the real thing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65804	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 9/3/2011
Subject: Re: Interesting prototype engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65805	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/3/2011
Subject: Re: Own the real thing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65806	From: sscale@comcast.net	Date: 9/3/2011
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5398
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65807	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/3/2011
Subject: Re: Puzzled
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65808	From: Eric	Date: 9/3/2011
Subject: Trains for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65809	From: John Metzger	Date: 9/3/2011
Subject: Re: Death of SGM John W. Metzger, Retired of Troy, Missouri.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65810	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/3/2011
Subject: Puzzeled
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65811	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/3/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/4/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65812	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/4/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/4/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65813	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/5/2011
Subject: New Video: San Diego S-Gaugers at SDMRM Museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65814	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/5/2011
Subject: WANTED : AM FA-2/FB-2 Shells
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65815	From: Brady	Date: 9/5/2011
Subject: Re: New Video: San Diego S-Gaugers at SDMRM Museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65816	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/6/2011
Subject: For Sale: four-car Aluminum 66X passenger set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65817	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/6/2011
Subject: Re: New Video: San Diego S-Gaugers at SDMRM Museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65818	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/6/2011
Subject: Two More San Diego S-Gaugers videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65819	From: knockbill	Date: 9/6/2011
Subject: Re: Fred Jester
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65820	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 9/6/2011
Subject: Re: Two More San Diego S-Gaugers videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65821	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/6/2011
Subject: Re: Two More San Diego S-Gaugers videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65822	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/6/2011
Subject: Re: Two More San Diego S-Gaugers videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65823	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/6/2011
Subject: Re: Two More San Diego S-Gaugers videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65824	From: Scott	Date: 9/7/2011
Subject: Showcase Circus and Tropicana
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65825	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 9/7/2011
Subject: Rubber Roadbed?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65826	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 9/7/2011
Subject: Re: Two More San Diego S-Gaugers videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65827	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 9/7/2011
Subject: Re: Two More San Diego S-Gaugers videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65828	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/7/2011
Subject: Re: Showcase Circus and Tropicana
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65829	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/7/2011
Subject: Re: Showcase Circus and Tropicana
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65830	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/7/2011
Subject: New 2012 Edition TM American Flyer S Gauge Price and Rarity Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65831	From: JOHN and CAROL	Date: 9/8/2011
Subject: Train Show in Idaho
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65832	From: Scott	Date: 9/8/2011
Subject: Re: Showcase Circus and Tropicana
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65833	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/8/2011
Subject: Re: WANTED : AM FA-2/FB-2 Shells
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65834	From: jvmandell	Date: 9/8/2011
Subject: TRAIN SHOW ORANGE CT OCTOBER 9TH 2011
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65835	From: Robert Conner	Date: 9/8/2011
Subject: Re: New 2012 Edition TM American Flyer S Gauge Price and Rarity Guid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65836	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 9/8/2011
Subject: Re: WANTED : AM FA-2/FB-2 Shells
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65837	From: Thorin	Date: 9/9/2011
Subject: Re: WANTED : AM FA-2/FB-2 Shells
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65838	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/9/2011
Subject: Re: New 2011 Edition TM American Flyer S Gauge Price and Rarity Guid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65839	From: Dave	Date: 9/9/2011
Subject: PRR E&T Dulux Metallic Gold Decal Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65840	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/10/2011
Subject: Show Dates
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65841	From: Eric	Date: 9/10/2011
Subject: 2 ITEMS STILL FOR SALE - LIONEL FLYER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65842	From: Dave	Date: 9/10/2011
Subject: AF Tender Truck NEW Pivot Assembly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65843	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/10/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/11/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65844	From: Dave	Date: 9/11/2011
Subject: AF E&T "L" Steps (NEW)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65845	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 9/11/2011
Subject: Re: AF E&T "L" Steps (NEW)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65846	From: Paul	Date: 9/11/2011
Subject: new S scale trucks was AF E&T "L" Steps (NEW)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65847	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 9/11/2011
Subject: Re: AF E&T "L" Steps (NEW)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65848	From: Dave	Date: 9/11/2011
Subject: EXTEND-A-TENDER KIT IS READY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65849	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/11/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/11/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65850	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 9/11/2011
Subject: 162 Factory Kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65851	From: Jonathan Hatfield	Date: 9/11/2011
Subject: Sibley AF Display layout with SHS track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65852	From: Dave	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: NEW SMOKE UNIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65853	From: Wayne B.	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Re: AF E&T "L" Steps (NEW)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65854	From: Monte	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: S Scale marine products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65855	From: piccu56	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65856	From: frank emiro	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65857	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65858	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65859	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65860	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65861	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Chuff chuff chuff chuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65862	From: Carey Probst	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65863	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Multiple chuffs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65864	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Re: Multiple chuffs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65865	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65866	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65867	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Re: Multiple chuffs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65868	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65869	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65870	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65871	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: Re: Multiple chuffs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65872	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65873	From: tbennerohio	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65874	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65875	From: johntech2004	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: New Smoker box
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65876	From: Robert Conner	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: Fw: Call yourself a craftsman?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65877	From: R G	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65878	From: Dave	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: AF #342 Tender Kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65879	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65880	From: Thorinn Marty	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: AF compatible 'C' truck sideframes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65881	From: rick gough	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65882	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65883	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65884	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: Re: AF compatible 'C' truck sideframes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65885	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 9/14/2011
Subject: af 300 atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65886	From: R G	Date: 9/14/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65887	From: Larry Asp	Date: 9/14/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65888	From: R G	Date: 9/14/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65889	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/14/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65890	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 9/14/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65891	From: mike gardner	Date: 9/14/2011
Subject: model different engines from AF junkers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65892	From: dmunseyjr@comcast.net	Date: 9/14/2011
Subject: Re: model different engines from AF junkers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65893	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 9/14/2011
Subject: Re: model different engines from AF junkers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65894	From: Al Baker	Date: 9/14/2011
Subject: Re: model different engines from AF junkers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65895	From: Ray Puls	Date: 9/15/2011
Subject: RE; model different engines from AF junkers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65896	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/15/2011
Subject: Model different engines from AF junkers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65897	From: Jeff Faust	Date: 9/15/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65898	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 9/16/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65899	From: mike	Date: 9/16/2011
Subject: THANKS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65900	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 9/16/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65901	From: Ray Puls	Date: 9/16/2011
Subject: Re: kit-bashing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65902	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/16/2011
Subject: Silver Flash Alco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65903	From: flguz	Date: 9/16/2011
Subject: CIRCUS ENGINE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65904	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 9/16/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65905	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 9/17/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65906	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 9/17/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65907	From: NEIL	Date: 9/17/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65908	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/17/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65909	From: Carey Probst	Date: 9/17/2011
Subject: S Scale/Gauge in Ottawa
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65910	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/17/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/18/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65911	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 9/17/2011
Subject: NKP 765 Steam In The Valley 2011 - YouTube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65912	From: Larry Asp	Date: 9/17/2011
Subject: Re: S Scale/Gauge in Ottawa
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65913	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Trains and Pittsburgh
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65914	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: About the Kit Bashing guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65915	From: Carey Probst	Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: Trains and Pittsburgh
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65916	From: Larry Asp	Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: About the Kit Bashing guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65917	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: About the Kit Bashing guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65918	From: George Cohn	Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: About the Kit Bashing guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65919	From: David Engle	Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: About the Kit Bashing guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65920	From: Robert Conner	Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: About the Kit Bashing guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65921	From: Robert Conner	Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: AM AND S-HELPER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65922	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/18/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65923	From: Bob Groh	Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: About the Kit Bashing guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65924	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: About the Kit Bashing guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65925	From: Rich	Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: About the Kit Bashing guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65926	From: Ray Cook	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: Re: Trains and Pittsburgh
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65927	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: About the kit bashing guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65928	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: More about the bashing guide!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65929	From: R G	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65930	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: Re: Trains and Pittsburgh
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65931	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: Re: Trains and Pittsburgh
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65932	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: Re: More about the bashing guide!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65933	From: race944t	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: Kit bashing and auto racing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65934	From: R G	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: Re: More about the bashing guide!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65935	From: Thorin	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: But Wait!!! Re: About the Kit Bashing guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65936	From: John McAlonan	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: Re: About the kit bashing guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65937	From: jshannon148	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: Re: Trains and Pittsburgh
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65938	From: Robert Conner	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: Re: More about the bashing guide!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65939	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65940	From: Ray Cook	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: Re: Trains and Pittsburgh
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65941	From: Rich	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: Re: More about the bashing guide!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65942	From: R G	Date: 9/20/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65943	From: Thorin	Date: 9/20/2011
Subject: Scale or Highrail (Re: RE:More about the bashing guide!)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65944	From: Ray Puls	Date: 9/20/2011
Subject: S Helper wheel sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65945	From: G C	Date: 9/20/2011
Subject: Re: More about the bashing guide!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65946	From: johntech	Date: 9/20/2011
Subject: Re: More about the bashing guide!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65947	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/20/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65948	From: jshannon148	Date: 9/20/2011
Subject: Re: Trains and Pittsburgh
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65949	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/20/2011
Subject: Re: Scale or Highrail (Re: RE:More about the bashing guide!)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65950	From: Jonathan Hatfield	Date: 9/20/2011
Subject: Wanted: SHS Flex track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65951	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/21/2011
Subject: Re: Wanted: SHS Flex track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65952	From: Scott	Date: 9/21/2011
Subject: American Flyer Army Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65953	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 9/21/2011
Subject: Scale or Highrail (Re: RE:More about the bashing guide!)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65954	From: Dave in Maryland	Date: 9/22/2011
Subject: "150 Years of Model Trains" book by Harold (Hal) Carstens
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65955	From: Dave	Date: 9/22/2011
Subject: SHS Flex Track Avaliable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65956	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/22/2011
Subject: Re: "150 Years of Model Trains" book by Harold (Hal) Carstens
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65957	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 9/23/2011
Subject: Baseball Season Closing Down
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65958	From: David Highfield	Date: 9/23/2011
Subject: Carstens book is sold.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65959	From: Dave	Date: 9/23/2011
Subject: SHS Flex Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65960	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 9/24/2011
Subject: Re: Baseball Season Closing Down
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65961	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 9/24/2011
Subject: Re: Baseball Season Closing Down
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65962	From: George Cohn	Date: 9/24/2011
Subject: Re: Baseball Season Closing Down
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65963	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/24/2011
Subject: Fw: Train Show in Monroe, MI
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65964	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 9/24/2011
Subject: Re: Baseball Season Closing Down
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65965	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/24/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/25/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65966	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 9/24/2011
Subject: Re: Baseball Season Closing Down
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65967	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/24/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC & SHORTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65968	From: Ray Puls	Date: 9/25/2011
Subject: TMCC & Shorts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65969	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 9/25/2011
Subject: Re: Baseball Season Closing Down
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65970	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/25/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/25/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65971	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/25/2011
Subject: Dept. 56 Uptown Motors Video plus ....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65972	From: Eric	Date: 9/25/2011
Subject: Fall housecleaning (for sale items)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65973	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 9/25/2011
Subject: Fw: AF steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65974	From: Brady	Date: 9/25/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC & SHORTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65975	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/25/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: AF steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65976	From: Frank	Date: 9/25/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: AF steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65977	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 9/25/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: AF steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65978	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 9/25/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: AF steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65979	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 9/25/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: AF steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65980	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: AF steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65981	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Dept 56 Uptown Motors video....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65982	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: AF Steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65983	From: R G	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Re: AF Steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65984	From: R G	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Re: Dept 56 Uptown Motors video....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65985	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Re: Dept 56 Uptown Motors video....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65986	From: frank emiro	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Re: AF Steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65987	From: Donald Keil	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Re: Dept 56 Uptown Motors video....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65988	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Re: AF Steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65989	From: frank emiro	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Re: AF Steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65990	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Re: AF Steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65991	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Early Mustang Facts - Not Train Related - Skip If Not Interested
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65992	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Department 56 Uptown Motors video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65993	From: ron plyler	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Re: AF Steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65994	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Re: AF Steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65995	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Re: AF Steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65996	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/27/2011
Subject: Re: Trains and Pittsburgh
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65997	From: Frank	Date: 9/27/2011
Subject: Re: AF Steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65998	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/27/2011
Subject: The Mustang question (not train related)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 65999	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/27/2011
Subject: Re: AF Steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66000	From: Jerry	Date: 9/27/2011
Subject: Re: Early Mustang Facts -Train Related !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66001	From: Obie Bell	Date: 9/27/2011
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] RE:Department 56 Uptown Motors video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66002	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 9/27/2011
Subject: Re: The Mustang question (not train related)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66003	From: piccu56	Date: 9/27/2011
Subject: Re: Early Mustang Facts - Not Train Related - Skip If Not Interested
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66004	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 9/27/2011
Subject: Re: Early Mustang Facts - Not Train Related - Skip If Not Interested
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66005	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/27/2011
Subject: Re: Early Mustang Facts - Not Train Related - Skip If Not Interested
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66006	From: rapidrail1	Date: 9/27/2011
Subject: New custom decorated cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66007	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/27/2011
Subject: Re: New custom decorated cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66008	From: rapidrail1	Date: 9/28/2011
Subject: Re: New custom decorated cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66009	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/28/2011
Subject: Re: New custom decorated cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66010	From: salgal17329	Date: 9/28/2011
Subject: Open house
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66011	From: Ray Cook	Date: 9/28/2011
Subject: Re: Trains and Pittsburgh
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66012	From: R G	Date: 9/28/2011
Subject: Re: Open house
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66013	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/28/2011
Subject: New custom decorated cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66014	From: rapidrail1	Date: 9/28/2011
Subject: New photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66015	From: Thorinn Marty	Date: 9/28/2011
Subject: Re: Your scale streamlined diner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66016	From: rborsella4790@comcast.net	Date: 9/29/2011
Subject: Open house
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66017	From: salgal17329	Date: 9/29/2011
Subject: Re: Open house
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66018	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 9/29/2011
Subject: Re: New custom decorated cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66019	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 9/29/2011
Subject: Re: New custom decorated cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66020	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/29/2011
Subject: Re: New custom decorated cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66021	From: Robert Conner	Date: 9/29/2011
Subject: Catalogs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66022	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/29/2011
Subject: Fw: Train show in Cleveland Area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66023	From: Thorinn Marty	Date: 9/29/2011
Subject: Re: Long passenger train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66024	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 9/29/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Train show in Cleveland Area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66025	From: Ben	Date: 9/29/2011
Subject: AF HO and 3/16" O gauge for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66026	From: Michael Rector	Date: 9/29/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Train show in Cleveland Area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66027	From: George Cohn	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Train Flasher, Gate, Bell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66028	From: Major	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Pre war Flyer conversion to two rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66029	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Chirping Flyonel Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66030	From: NEIL	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC & SHORTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66031	From: afjeff_56	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: River City Toy Train Meet (in Sacramento, Ca.)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66032	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66033	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66034	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Chirping Flyonel Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66035	From: frank emiro	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66036	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Chirping Lionel Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66037	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66038	From: R G	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66039	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66040	From: johntech	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Dcc control boards
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66041	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66042	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66043	From: michael r	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66044	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: Dcc control boards
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66045	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Kit Bashing Guide Available!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66046	From: Brady	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC & SHORTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66047	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66048	From: John M	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Lionel Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66049	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66050	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66051	From: Carey Probst	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: Kit Bashing Guide Available!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66052	From: Robert Graves	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66053	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: Kit Bashing Guide Available!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66054	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Official - Open House
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66055	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66056	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC & SHORTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66057	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Reminder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66058	From: rick gough	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66059	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/2/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66060	From: johntech	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: My new Baldwin "critter" is moving
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66061	From: Al Baker	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66062	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC & SHORTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66063	From: Alan Udy	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: Dcc control boards
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66064	From: johntech	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: Dcc control boards
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66065	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/2/2011
Subject: YORK WEEK OPEN HOUSE - Corrected Notice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66066	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/2/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66067	From: johntech	Date: 10/2/2011
Subject: Manual non AF switch controllers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66068	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/2/2011
Subject: Re: Dcc control boards
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66069	From: Johntech	Date: 10/2/2011
Subject: Re: Dcc control boards
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66070	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/2/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/2/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66071	From: R G	Date: 10/2/2011
Subject: Re: My new Baldwin "critter" is moving
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66072	From: johntech	Date: 10/2/2011
Subject: Re: My new Baldwin "critter" is moving
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66073	From: butch8339@atlanticbb.net	Date: 10/3/2011
Subject: what time on thursday does the york meet open
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66074	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/3/2011
Subject: Re: what time on thursday does the york meet open
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66075	From: Timboy	Date: 10/3/2011
Subject: Building a Large Vintage American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66076	From: R G	Date: 10/3/2011
Subject: Re: what time on thursday does the york meet open
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66077	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/3/2011
Subject: Re: what time on thursday does the york meet open
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66078	From: R G	Date: 10/3/2011
Subject: Re: what time on thursday does the york meet open
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66079	From: R G	Date: 10/3/2011
Subject: Re: Building a Large Vintage American Flyer Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66080	From: JOHN and CAROL	Date: 10/3/2011
Subject: Lookout Junction at Railshow 2011
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66081	From: Ray Puls	Date: 10/3/2011
Subject: Re: Kitbashing Guide Now Available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66082	From: barb	Date: 10/3/2011
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5427
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66083	From: Bob Moyer	Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: RC Heliocopter Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66084	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: Re: S-Guage Wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66085	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: Re: RC Heliocopter Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66086	From: Donald Keil	Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: Re: RC Heliocopter Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66087	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: RC helicopter car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66088	From: Dave	Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: 6 wheel tender truck side frames
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66089	From: johntech	Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: 370 Diesel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66090	From: Larry Asp	Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: Re: 370 Diesel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66091	From: johntech	Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: Re: 370 Diesel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66092	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: Re: 370 Diesel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66093	From: Robert Graves	Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: Re: 370 Diesel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66094	From: johntech	Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: Re: 370 Diesel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66095	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: Re: 370 Diesel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66096	From: george leidinger	Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: Re: RC Heliocopter Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66097	From: johntech	Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: Re: 370 Diesel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66098	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: Re: 370 Diesel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66099	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: 370 Geep Diesel et.al.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66100	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: AF on DC -- Re: [S-Trains] 370 Diesel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66101	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: It was a good show, but - - - -
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66102	From: piccu56	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Re: 370 Diesel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66103	From: Alex_ai2q	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Reverse DC wiring article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66104	From: Timboy	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Re: 370 Diesel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66105	From: Al Baker	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Loose Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66106	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: AC or DC motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66107	From: Timboy	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Re: AC or DC motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66108	From: R G	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Re: AC or DC motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66109	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Re: Loose Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66110	From: Carey Probst	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Re: AC or DC motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66111	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Re: AC or DC motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66112	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Re: Loose Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66113	From: johntech	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Re: AC or DC motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66114	From: johntech	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Old beater Baldwins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66115	From: Al Baker	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Re: Loose Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66116	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Re: Loose Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66117	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66118	From: Al Baker	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Re: Loose Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66119	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Re: question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66120	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 10/7/2011
Subject: Re: question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66121	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 10/7/2011
Subject: Re: question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66122	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/7/2011
Subject: Re: question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66123	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/7/2011
Subject: Re: question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66124	From: Bob	Date: 10/7/2011
Subject: New Product Announcement: 1:64 Modeling Guide e-Feature Articles Now
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66125	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/7/2011
Subject: Re: question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66126	From: jtkeating	Date: 10/7/2011
Subject: AF Corvette Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66127	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2011
Subject: Re: AF Corvette Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66128	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 10/7/2011
Subject: Re: AF Corvette Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66129	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 10/7/2011
Subject: Re: AF Corvette Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66130	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2011
Subject: Re: MADE IN AMERICA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66131	From: rapidrail1	Date: 10/8/2011
Subject: Re: MADE IN AMERICA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66132	From: bcgsteam	Date: 10/8/2011
Subject: Modeling the Buffalo Creek & Gauley in "S" Book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66133	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/8/2011
Subject: Made in America
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66134	From: Brady	Date: 10/8/2011
Subject: The Nickel Plate Story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66135	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66136	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/8/2011
Subject: Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66137	From: johntech	Date: 10/8/2011
Subject: Local Area Trains Shows for 2011 & 2012 In and around Ohio
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66138	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 10/8/2011
Subject: Re: Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66139	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/8/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/9/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66140	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/8/2011
Subject: Big L Fail - What to do?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66141	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 10/8/2011
Subject: Re: Big L Fail - What to do?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66142	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 10/8/2011
Subject: Re: Big L Fail - What to do?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66143	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/8/2011
Subject: Re: Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66144	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/8/2011
Subject: Re: Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66145	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66146	From: rapidrail1	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66147	From: rapidrail1	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Big L Fail - What to do?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66148	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66149	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Big L Fail - Switching from Human to Vulcan Mode
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66150	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66151	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: NH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66152	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66153	From: jtkeating	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Big L Fail - What to do?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66154	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66155	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66156	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Big L Fail - What to do?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66157	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Big L Fail - Switching from Human to Vulcan Mode
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66158	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66159	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66160	From: Timboy	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Big L Fail - Switching from Human to Vulcan Mode
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66161	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66162	From: Frank	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66163	From: Frank	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: NH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66164	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Big L Fail - Switching from Human to Vulcan Mode
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66165	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66166	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Something to think about
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66167	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66168	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Big L Fail - Switching from Human to Vulcan Mode
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66169	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66170	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/9/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66171	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66172	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66173	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Made in America
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66174	From: Martin A. Johnson	Date: 10/10/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66175	From: Jerry	Date: 10/10/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66176	From: John M	Date: 10/10/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66177	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 10/10/2011
Subject: #14 AW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66178	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/10/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66179	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 10/10/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66180	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66181	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 10/10/2011
Subject: Big L failure
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66182	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/10/2011
Subject: Re: Big L failure
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66183	From: Ken Christiansen	Date: 10/10/2011
Subject: Re: Big L Fail - What to do?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66184	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/10/2011
Subject: Re: Big L failure
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66185	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/10/2011
Subject: Re: Big L failure
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66186	From: ron_kolb2000	Date: 10/10/2011
Subject: S Gauge Layout at TCA York October Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66187	From: Tom David	Date: 10/11/2011
Subject: Re: #14 AW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66188	From: Martin A. Johnson	Date: 10/11/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America - mfg. locations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66189	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/11/2011
Subject: It's more than just the "Big L."
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66190	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 10/11/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America - mfg. locations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66191	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/11/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America - mfg. locations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66192	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/11/2011
Subject: Flyonel Challengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66193	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/11/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America - mfg. locations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66194	From: R G	Date: 10/11/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel Challengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66195	From: Thorinn Marty	Date: 10/11/2011
Subject: Off topic: used train horn, Nathan K3LA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66196	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/11/2011
Subject: Re: Off topic: used train horn, Nathan K3LA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66197	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 10/11/2011
Subject: Westinghouse Factory
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66198	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/11/2011
Subject: Re: Westinghouse Factory
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66199	From: Ray Puls	Date: 10/12/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel Challengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66200	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 10/12/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel Challengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66201	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 10/12/2011
Subject: Stuart Covington's S gauge old school fun layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66202	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2011
Subject: LIONEL U-Boat @ NTTM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66203	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America - mfg. locations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66204	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America - mfg. locations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66205	From: knight@calu.edu	Date: 10/12/2011
Subject: Re: LIONEL U-Boat @ NTTM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66206	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/12/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America - mfg. locations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66207	From: Frank	Date: 10/12/2011
Subject: Re: LIONEL U-Boat @ NTTM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66208	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America - mfg. locations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66209	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: It's more than just the "Big L."
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66210	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: LIONEL U-Boat @ NTTM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66211	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: LIONEL U-Boat @ NTTM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66212	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America - mfg. locations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66213	From: Robert Ahrens	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America - mfg. locations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66214	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America - mfg. locations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66215	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America - mfg. locations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66216	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: gulf coast hobbies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66217	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America - mfg. locations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66218	From: Rusty	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: I'm lost, I need direction with some Flyer stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66219	From: mel perry	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: I'm lost, I need direction with some Flyer stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66220	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Flyonel Track & Challengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66221	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: I'm lost, I need direction with some Flyer stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66222	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Made in America - mfg. locations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66223	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/14/2011
Subject: Marx Molds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66224	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 10/14/2011
Subject: Re: gulf coast hobbies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66225	From: Bob C	Date: 10/14/2011
Subject: Future Layout Tours (So. Calif.)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66226	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/14/2011
Subject: Re: gulf coast hobbies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66227	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 10/14/2011
Subject: S Scale details
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66228	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 10/14/2011
Subject: Re: gulf coast hobbies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66229	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/14/2011
Subject: Doug Peck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66230	From: R G	Date: 10/14/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel Track & Challengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66231	From: Bob	Date: 10/15/2011
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine Back Issue Clearance Sale Extended!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66232	From: Ray Puls	Date: 10/15/2011
Subject: Re: S Scale details
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66233	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/15/2011
Subject: Conway Scenic Railroad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66234	From: johntech2004	Date: 10/15/2011
Subject: Rotary Coal Dumper in S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66235	From: rapidrail1	Date: 10/15/2011
Subject: Re: Marx Molds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66236	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 10/15/2011
Subject: Re: Conway Scenic Railroad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66237	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/15/2011
Subject: Re: Conway Scenic Railroad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66238	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 10/15/2011
Subject: Re: Marx Molds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66239	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/15/2011
Subject: Conway Scenic RR Steam Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66240	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/15/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/16/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66241	From: Brady	Date: 10/15/2011
Subject: Re: Marx Molds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66242	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/15/2011
Subject: Re: Marx Molds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66243	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 10/15/2011
Subject: Re: Marx Molds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66244	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 10/15/2011
Subject: Re: Conway Scenic RR Steam Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66245	From: Herbert	Date: 10/16/2011
Subject: Re: Marx Molds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66246	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 10/16/2011
Subject: Marx 3/16" Equipment (was Marx Molds)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66247	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/16/2011
Subject: Inside the Dome Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66248	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/16/2011
Subject: Re: Marx Molds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66249	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/16/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/16/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66250	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/16/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel Track & Challengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66251	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/16/2011
Subject: Port Lines' website & email
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66252	From: Frank	Date: 10/16/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel Track & Challengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66253	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/16/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel Track & Challengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66254	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/16/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel Track & Challengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66255	From: Ben	Date: 10/16/2011
Subject: Re: Wanted: SHS Flex track- Robert Graves...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66256	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/17/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel Track & Challengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66257	From: rapidrail1	Date: 10/17/2011
Subject: Re: Marx Molds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66258	From: Ray Puls	Date: 10/17/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel Track and Challengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66259	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/17/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel Track & Challengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66260	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/17/2011
Subject: Wednesday at NTTM videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66261	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/17/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel Track and Challengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66262	From: Ben	Date: 10/17/2011
Subject: AF stuff for sale...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66263	From: piccu56	Date: 10/18/2011
Subject: Re: AF stuff for sale...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66264	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 10/19/2011
Subject: Re: Marx Molds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66265	From: wb4hay	Date: 10/19/2011
Subject: 125 and 148 rails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66266	From: R G	Date: 10/19/2011
Subject: Re: 125 and 148 rails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66267	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 10/19/2011
Subject: Classic Flyer Forsale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66268	From: John Degnan	Date: 10/19/2011
Subject: S Scale Yahoo Group List UPDATE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66269	From: johntech	Date: 10/20/2011
Subject: Looking for parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66270	From: earl.carlsen@att.net	Date: 10/20/2011
Subject: Fall S Fest C U THERE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66271	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/20/2011
Subject: S scale Yahoo groups lists update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66272	From: R G	Date: 10/20/2011
Subject: Re: S scale Yahoo groups lists update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66273	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/20/2011
Subject: Re: S scale Yahoo groups lists update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66274	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/20/2011
Subject: Re: S scale Yahoo groups lists update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66275	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 10/20/2011
Subject: Re: S scale Yahoo groups lists update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66276	From: R G	Date: 10/20/2011
Subject: Re: S scale Yahoo groups lists update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66277	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/20/2011
Subject: Re: S scale Yahoo groups lists update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66278	From: carl4flyer	Date: 10/20/2011
Subject: ORG ? OGR!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66279	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/20/2011
Subject: Re: ORG ? OGR!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66280	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/20/2011
Subject: Re: S scale Yahoo groups lists update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66281	From: Brady	Date: 10/20/2011
Subject: Re: Wednesday at NTTM videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66282	From: John Degnan	Date: 10/20/2011
Subject: Re: S Scale Yahoo Group List UPDATE - 29
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66283	From: piccu56	Date: 10/21/2011
Subject: Re: S scale Yahoo groups lists update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66284	From: Dave	Date: 10/21/2011
Subject: KIT BASHED ENGINE & TENDER UNITS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66285	From: jtkeating	Date: 10/21/2011
Subject: Wanted:0-8-0 Boiler Front
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66286	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/21/2011
Subject: Re: SHS sale, buy one get one for free...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66287	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/21/2011
Subject: Off To Michaels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66288	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 10/21/2011
Subject: Re: Off To Michaels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66289	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/21/2011
Subject: Re: Off To Michaels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66290	From: Lon Walker	Date: 10/21/2011
Subject: Re: Off To Michaels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66291	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/22/2011
Subject: Correct speaking/typing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66292	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/22/2011
Subject: Re: Off To Michaels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66293	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 10/22/2011
Subject: Re: Off To Michaels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66294	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 10/22/2011
Subject: Re: Off To Michaels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66295	From: Ken Christiansen	Date: 10/22/2011
Subject: Re: Off To Michaels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66296	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/22/2011
Subject: Re: Off To Michaels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66297	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/22/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/23/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66298	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 10/22/2011
Subject: Re: Off To Michaels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66299	From: Dale Chaudiere	Date: 10/23/2011
Subject: FS: NIB SHS #00463 #3 Manual Right Hand Switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66300	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/23/2011
Subject: Re: Off To Michaels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66301	From: JOHN	Date: 10/23/2011
Subject: Screw Post Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66302	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/23/2011
Subject: Re: Screw Post Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66303	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/23/2011
Subject: Re: Screw Post Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66304	From: knight@calu.edu	Date: 10/23/2011
Subject: Re: Screw Post Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66305	From: Neil Trump	Date: 10/23/2011
Subject: New Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66306	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/23/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/23/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66307	From: Neil Trump	Date: 10/23/2011
Subject: Re: New Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66308	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/23/2011
Subject: Re: New Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66309	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/23/2011
Subject: Re: Screw Post Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66310	From: wb4hay	Date: 10/24/2011
Subject: Roundhouses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66311	From: Eric	Date: 10/24/2011
Subject: LIONEL FLYER Items for sale Big Boy & Mikado and AM 4-8-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66312	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/24/2011
Subject: Discount coupon for the Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66313	From: msperry45	Date: 10/24/2011
Subject: AF Turnout Disassembly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66314	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 10/24/2011
Subject: Re: Roundhouses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66316	From: Robert Ahrens	Date: 10/24/2011
Subject: Re: AF Turnout Disassembly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66318	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2011
Subject: Trying to locate S-Gauger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66319	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/24/2011
Subject: Re: I am finally became Boss!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66320	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 10/24/2011
Subject: Northern Pacific Name Plates?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66321	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 10/24/2011
Subject: Re: I am finally became Boss!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66322	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/24/2011
Subject: Re: Trying to locate S-Gauger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66323	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/24/2011
Subject: Re: AF Turnout Disassembly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66324	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 10/24/2011
Subject: -.Video #664: RR Concepts StationMaster Demo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66325	From: rick gough	Date: 10/24/2011
Subject: Re: Screw Post Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66326	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/25/2011
Subject: Re: Northern Pacific Name Plates?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66327	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/25/2011
Subject: Re: proposed trade for a RDC1 for some of my Surplus brass
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66328	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/25/2011
Subject: Re: proposed trade for a RDC1 for some of my Surplus brass
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66329	From: JOHN and CAROL	Date: 10/25/2011
Subject: Re: Screw Post Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66330	From: Timboy	Date: 10/25/2011
Subject: Working Up a New Yard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66331	From: Dave	Date: 10/26/2011
Subject: MACK Dump Truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66332	From: Brady	Date: 10/26/2011
Subject: Renewed interest in customized/bashed Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66333	From: R G	Date: 10/26/2011
Subject: Re: Renewed interest in customized/bashed Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66334	From: ghslaw31	Date: 10/26/2011
Subject: Speeder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66335	From: johntech	Date: 10/26/2011
Subject: Re: Speeder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66336	From: Timboy	Date: 10/26/2011
Subject: Re: Renewed interest in customized/bashed Flyer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66337	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 10/26/2011
Subject: Re: Speeder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66338	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/26/2011
Subject: Lake Placid area train attractions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66339	From: sscale@comcast.net	Date: 10/26/2011
Subject: S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66340	From: JOHN	Date: 10/26/2011
Subject: Thank You For Screw Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66341	From: John Metzger	Date: 10/26/2011
Subject: Re: Speeder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66342	From: Bob	Date: 10/27/2011
Subject: Important Announcement Regarding the 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66343	From: msperry45	Date: 10/27/2011
Subject: Re: AF Turnout Disassembly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66344	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/27/2011
Subject: Renewed interest in customized/kit bashed Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66345	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 10/27/2011
Subject: Re: Speeder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66346	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/27/2011
Subject: FOR SALE Items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66347	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 10/27/2011
Subject: Re: FOR SALE Items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66348	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 10/27/2011
Subject: Re: Speeder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66349	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/27/2011
Subject: Re: Renewed interest in customized/kit bashed Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66350	From: Martin A. Johnson	Date: 10/27/2011
Subject: Re: MACK Dump Truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66351	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/27/2011
Subject: Re: FOR SALE Items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66352	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/28/2011
Subject: Re: FOR SALE Items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66353	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 10/28/2011
Subject: Re: FOR SALE Items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66354	From: David	Date: 10/28/2011
Subject: DEVILS FORK COAL CO. Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66355	From: Timboy	Date: 10/28/2011
Subject: Re: Renewed interest in customized/kit bashed Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66356	From: tbennerohio	Date: 10/28/2011
Subject: Testing an Alco power truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66357	From: Ray Cook	Date: 10/28/2011
Subject: Re: Testing an Alco power truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66358	From: Joseph H	Date: 10/29/2011
Subject: Re: FOR SALE Items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66359	From: David Engle	Date: 10/29/2011
Subject: Re: Testing an Alco power truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66360	From: Ray Puls	Date: 10/29/2011
Subject: Re: Testing an Alco power truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66361	From: Alex_ai2q	Date: 10/29/2011
Subject: Re: Testing an Alco power truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66362	From: nightshift.geo	Date: 10/29/2011
Subject: scale dioramas available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66363	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/29/2011
Subject: Re: Testing an Alco power truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66364	From: David	Date: 10/29/2011
Subject: DEVILS FORK COAL COMPANY 2 BAY HOPPER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66365	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/29/2011
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] If a Lionel 145 gateman went to the shrink
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66366	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/29/2011
Subject: Re: FOR SALE Items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66367	From: Dave	Date: 10/29/2011
Subject: PAZAN OLD MOTOR TRUCKS DISCOUNTS ;o)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66368	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/29/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] If a Lionel 145 gateman went to the shrink
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66369	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/29/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/30/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66370	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/29/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] If a Lionel 145 gateman went to the shrink
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66371	From: Timboy	Date: 10/30/2011
Subject: An Interesting Array of Cut-Down Vintage Flyer Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66372	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/30/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] If a Lionel 145 gateman went to the shrink
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66373	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/30/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] If a Lionel 145 gateman went to the shrink
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66374	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 10/30/2011
Subject: Pittman Motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66375	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/30/2011
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] TCA Annual Appeal & Orange Border
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66376	From: joestrainrepair	Date: 10/30/2011
Subject: Re: FOR SALE Items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66377	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/30/2011
Subject: York, Cooking in the hotel room.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66378	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/30/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/30/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66379	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 10/30/2011
Subject: Athern SW 1500
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66380	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/30/2011
Subject: Al Baker
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66381	From: John Degnan	Date: 10/30/2011
Subject: S Scale Yahoo Groups List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66382	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/31/2011
Subject: Lionel AF Report Addendum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66383	From: Frank	Date: 10/31/2011
Subject: For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66384	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 10/31/2011
Subject: Re: For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66385	From: Al Baker	Date: 10/31/2011
Subject: Re: Al Baker
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66386	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 10/31/2011
Subject: Re: Marx Molds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66387	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/31/2011
Subject: Re: Al Baker
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66388	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 10/31/2011
Subject: Re: S scale Yahoo groups lists update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66389	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: S scale Yahoo groups lists update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66390	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: S scale Yahoo groups lists update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66391	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: Dunsmuire---Was Lionel U33C
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66392	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: -Vid: Mini-Panel Controlling S ga. Pt to Pt. w/alternating routes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66393	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: S Fest Observations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66394	From: edwiehe1	Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: Looking for parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66395	From: Al Baker	Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: Al Baker - - and Mike Marmer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66396	From: R G	Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: S Fest Observations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66397	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: Al Baker - - and Mike Marmer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66398	From: tbennerohio	Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: Testing an Alco power truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66399	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: S Fest Observations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66400	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: [Plasticville] Windmill 1408
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66401	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: Off To Michaels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66402	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Re: Looking for parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66403	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Re: Off To Michaels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66404	From: Louis	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Re: Testing an Alco power truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66405	From: Ben	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Rear wall windows on 654 observation cars? Punched or solid??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66406	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Re: Off To Michaels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66407	From: Thorin	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Dual motors -- again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66408	From: R G	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Re: Rear wall windows on 654 observation cars? Punched or solid??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66409	From: Thorin	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Why am I moderated
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66410	From: Thorin	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Flyonel SP Cab Forward
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66411	From: R G	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Re: Dual motors -- again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66412	From: Dave	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: ATTENTION KIT BASHERS !!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66413	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Re: Why am I moderated
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66414	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel SP Cab Forward
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66415	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Re: S scale Yahoo groups lists update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66416	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Re: S scale Yahoo groups lists update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66417	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66418	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66419	From: michael prell	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Re: Why am I moderated
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66420	From: Al Baker	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Re: Renewed interest in customized/kit bashed Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66421	From: rapidrail1	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: Re: Why am I moderated
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66422	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66423	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: Re: Renewed interest in customized/kit bashed Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66424	From: Timboy	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: Yet One More Way To Integrate Pikemaster Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66425	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: Re: Renewed interest in customized/kit bashed Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66426	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: 21140 pricing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66427	From: Timboy	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: Re: Renewed interest in customized/kit bashed Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66428	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: Moderation and Basing photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66429	From: Al Baker	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: Re: S Fest Observations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66430	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: Re: Renewed interest in customized/kit bashed Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66431	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: Re: Renewed interest in customized/kit bashed Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66432	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: Re: 21140 pricing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66433	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: How to Post Links
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66434	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: Re: Renewed interest in customized/kit bashed Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66435	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: THEFT REPORT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66436	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: 355 Baldwin Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66437	From: vito4cal	Date: 11/4/2011
Subject: Annoucement: S West 7 - Northern California
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66438	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 11/4/2011
Subject: Re: How to Post Links
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66439	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/4/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel and DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66440	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/4/2011
Subject: Re: 355 Baldwin Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66441	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 11/4/2011
Subject: Re: 355 Baldwin Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66442	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/4/2011
Subject: Re: How to Post Links
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66443	From: Dave	Date: 11/4/2011
Subject: MOXIE Tank Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66444	From: Timboy	Date: 11/4/2011
Subject: My New Yard Is Competed - For Now!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66445	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 11/4/2011
Subject: Photos of a Southern Atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66446	From: John Degnan	Date: 11/4/2011
Subject: For Sale : Grandt Line S Detail Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66447	From: johntech	Date: 11/4/2011
Subject: Re: My New Yard Is Competed - For Now!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66448	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/4/2011
Subject: Re: Photos of a Southern Atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66449	From: R G	Date: 11/4/2011
Subject: Re: My New Yard Is Competed - For Now!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66450	From: Dale Chaudiere	Date: 11/5/2011
Subject: For Sale: Restored 1946 312 PRR K5 SIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66451	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 11/5/2011
Subject: Re: My New Yard Is Competed - For Now!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66452	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/5/2011
Subject: Re: Photos of a Southern Atlantic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66453	From: Timboy	Date: 11/5/2011
Subject: Re: My New Yard Is Competed - For Now!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66454	From: ss396l78375	Date: 11/5/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel Track & Challengers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66455	From: frank emiro	Date: 11/5/2011
Subject: Here R photos of Track and U 33 EL questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66456	From: Eric	Date: 11/5/2011
Subject: FNF & Challenger is here
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66457	From: Dave	Date: 11/5/2011
Subject: "MOXIE" Tank Car Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66458	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/5/2011
Subject: Re: "MOXIE" Tank Car Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66459	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/5/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/6/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66460	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/5/2011
Subject: Re: "MOXIE" Tank Car Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66461	From: John Degnan	Date: 11/5/2011
Subject: Re: For Sale : Grandt Line S Detail Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66462	From: bcgsteam	Date: 11/5/2011
Subject: B&O I-1 Kit Built as BC&G C-1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66463	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: Lionel S Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66464	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: Re: "MOXIE" Tank Car Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66465	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel S Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66466	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: Fw: Lionel S track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66467	From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: Re: "MOXIE" Tank Car Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66468	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel S Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66469	From: Dave	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: "MOXIE" Reefer Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66470	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: Re: B&O I-1 Kit Built as BC&G C-1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66471	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel S Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66472	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: M2 Auto-Trucks at WallyWorld
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66473	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel S Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66474	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/6/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66475	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel S Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66476	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: New Atlas Turnout Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66477	From: piccu56	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: Nice Stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66478	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Re: "MOXIE" Tank Car Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66479	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel S Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66480	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Advice Requested
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66481	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Re Track tion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66482	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Making Canvas Cab Curtains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66483	From: frank emiro	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel S Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66484	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: FIY U33 Update at:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66485	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Illness
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66486	From: George Sharp, G&R Model Trains	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Re: Advice Requested
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66487	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel S Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66488	From: frank emiro	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel S Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66489	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Re: Advice Requested
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66490	From: Timboy	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: What Would Any Of Us Do?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66491	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Engineering of track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66492	From: Dave	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: "MOXIE" Reefer Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66493	From: David Haslauer	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Re: What Would Any Of Us Do?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66494	From: Bob Groh	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Re: What Would Any Of Us Do?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66495	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Fwd: What Would Any Of Us Do?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66496	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Re: What Would Any Of Us Do?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66497	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Re: What Would Any Of Us Do?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66498	From: Larry Moore	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Re: Advice Requested
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66499	From: Dave in Maryland	Date: 11/8/2011
Subject: Re: Advice Requested
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66500	From: Dave	Date: 11/8/2011
Subject: "MOXIE" Box Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66501	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 11/8/2011
Subject: Re: What Would Any Of Us Do?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66502	From: Dale Reynolds	Date: 11/8/2011
Subject: Estate planning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66503	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 11/8/2011
Subject: TCA GROUP IN nORTHERN iLLINOIS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66504	From: flyerman336	Date: 11/8/2011
Subject: Re: Advice Requested
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66505	From: Ben	Date: 11/8/2011
Subject: Re: Advice Requested
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66506	From: Ben	Date: 11/8/2011
Subject: Tips on painting resin models?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66507	From: race944t	Date: 11/8/2011
Subject: Re: Advice Requested
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66508	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2011
Subject: Re: Tips on painting resin models?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66509	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 11/8/2011
Subject: Re: Tips on painting resin models?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66510	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2011
Subject: Re: Tips on painting resin models?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66511	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/8/2011
Subject: Fall S Fest and Dealers bearing gifts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66512	From: Ben	Date: 11/8/2011
Subject: Re: Tips on painting resin models?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66513	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel S Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66514	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel S Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66515	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: Challengers are in
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66516	From: Major	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: Challengers Received
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66517	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel S Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66518	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: Re: Challengers are in
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66519	From: Ben	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: Re: Tips on painting resin models?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66520	From: Timboy	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: An M&M Mine!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66523	From: ghslaw31	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: Speeder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66524	From: Carey Probst	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: Re: Speeder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66525	From: Dave	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: "MOXIE" Box Car - MEC #1918
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66526	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: Re: Speeder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66527	From: Thorin	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest and Dealers bearing gifts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66528	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: Re: Tips on painting resin models?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66529	From: Brady	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: Re: An M&M Mine!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66530	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: Re: Tips on painting resin models?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66531	From: rapidrail1	Date: 11/10/2011
Subject: Re: An M&M Mine!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66532	From: ken garber	Date: 11/10/2011
Subject: Speeder Pictures, etc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66533	From: Ray Puls	Date: 11/10/2011
Subject: Re: Speeder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66534	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 11/10/2011
Subject: N.P. Observation Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66535	From: Gerry Siegel	Date: 11/10/2011
Subject: Re: Speeder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66536	From: johntech	Date: 11/10/2011
Subject: Re: An M&M Mine!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66537	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 11/10/2011
Subject: Re: N.P. Observation Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66538	From: Carey Probst	Date: 11/10/2011
Subject: Re: Speeder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66539	From: David	Date: 11/10/2011
Subject: CUSTOMER SUPPORT: "A NEW MEANING"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66540	From: Robert Conner	Date: 11/10/2011
Subject: Re: Tips on painting resin models?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66541	From: barb	Date: 11/10/2011
Subject: Advise Requested
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66542	From: Timboy	Date: 11/11/2011
Subject: Re: An M&M Mine!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66543	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 11/11/2011
Subject: Lionel Chalenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66544	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 11/11/2011
Subject: Lionel Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66545	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 11/11/2011
Subject: Re: Advice Requested
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66546	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 11/12/2011
Subject: lionel challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66547	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/12/2011
Subject: Re: The S Gauge Layout Book...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66548	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/12/2011
Subject: Early Challanger Reports - Not So Good
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66549	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/12/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66550	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/12/2011
Subject: Re: lionel challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66551	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/12/2011
Subject: Thanks for the Advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66552	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/12/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/13/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66553	From: Timboy	Date: 11/12/2011
Subject: Follow Me on Twitter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66554	From: lumglum	Date: 11/13/2011
Subject: Problems with Challenger # 3985
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66555	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/13/2011
Subject: Re: lionel challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66556	From: Dave	Date: 11/13/2011
Subject: 6 Wheel Universal Tender Truck Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66557	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/13/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/13/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66558	From: Dave	Date: 11/13/2011
Subject: 6 Wheel Truck Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66559	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 11/13/2011
Subject: Re: 6 Wheel Universal Tender Truck Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66560	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 11/13/2011
Subject: Re: 6 Wheel Universal Tender Truck Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66561	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 11/13/2011
Subject: Re: 6 Wheel Universal Tender Truck Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66562	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 11/13/2011
Subject: Re: 6 Wheel Universal Tender Truck Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66563	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 11/13/2011
Subject: American Flyer High-Speed Truc-Train Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66564	From: Timboy	Date: 11/14/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer High-Speed Truc-Train Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66565	From: ekaplan707	Date: 11/14/2011
Subject: 80's MPC Era for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66566	From: Thorinn Marty	Date: 11/14/2011
Subject: Will, contact Thorin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66567	From: rapidrail1	Date: 11/14/2011
Subject: New custom cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66568	From: Brady	Date: 11/14/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer High-Speed Truc-Train Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66569	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 11/14/2011
Subject: American Flyer 23830 Piggyback Unloader - YouTube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66570	From: jim_marski	Date: 11/14/2011
Subject: Rocky Mountain Toy Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66571	From: Timboy	Date: 11/15/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer 23830 Piggyback Unloader - YouTube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66572	From: Ray Puls	Date: 11/15/2011
Subject: Re: will contact Thorin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66573	From: Dave	Date: 11/15/2011
Subject: 6 Wheel Tender Truck Listing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66574	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 11/15/2011
Subject: t-shirts with Engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66575	From: R G	Date: 11/15/2011
Subject: Re: t-shirts with Engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66576	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/15/2011
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] American Flyer 23830 Piggyback Unloader - YouTube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66577	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 11/15/2011
Subject: Re: t-shirts with Engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66578	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/15/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer 23830 Piggyback Unloader - YouTube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66579	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/15/2011
Subject: Six Wheel Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66580	From: johntech	Date: 11/15/2011
Subject: Baldwin "critter" updates
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66581	From: steve	Date: 11/15/2011
Subject: wanted: af northern pacific set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66582	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 11/15/2011
Subject: Re: t-shirts with Engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66583	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 11/16/2011
Subject: t-shirts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66584	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/16/2011
Subject: American Flyer 23830 Piggyback Unloader...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66585	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/16/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer 23830 Piggyback Unloader - YouTube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66586	From: clayton	Date: 11/16/2011
Subject: Some time back one of you was in England on a trip....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66587	From: sgaugian	Date: 11/16/2011
Subject: My new AF UP Gray Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66588	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/16/2011
Subject: Fw: Lionel's Warranty - A Gotcha......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66589	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 11/16/2011
Subject: Re: My new AF UP Gray Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66590	From: David White	Date: 11/16/2011
Subject: Re: wanted: af northern pacific set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66591	From: Jerry	Date: 11/16/2011
Subject: Re: My new AF UP Gray Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66592	From: Bob C	Date: 11/16/2011
Subject: High Desert (CA) Layouts Needed For Layout Tour #29
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66593	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/16/2011
Subject: LLDD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66594	From: Timboy	Date: 11/16/2011
Subject: My New Yard Is Maturing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66595	From: sgaugian	Date: 11/16/2011
Subject: Re: My new AF UP Gray Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66596	From: barb	Date: 11/16/2011
Subject: 23830 Piggyback Unloader - YouTube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66597	From: R G	Date: 11/17/2011
Subject: Re: My new AF UP Gray Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66598	From: Eric	Date: 11/17/2011
Subject: For Sale Locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66599	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/17/2011
Subject: My new yard is maturing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66600	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/17/2011
Subject: Re: My new yard is maturing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66601	From: Timboy	Date: 11/17/2011
Subject: Re: My new yard is maturing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66602	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 11/17/2011
Subject: Challenger Brief Review page
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66603	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 11/17/2011
Subject: Large layouts (was: My new yard is maturing)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66604	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 11/17/2011
Subject: Re: My New Yard Is Maturing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66605	From: Robert Conner	Date: 11/18/2011
Subject: Re: Large layouts (was: My new yard is maturing)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66606	From: pab11147	Date: 11/18/2011
Subject: Power question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66607	From: David	Date: 11/18/2011
Subject: Generic Propane Tanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66608	From: R G	Date: 11/18/2011
Subject: Re: Power question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66609	From: Timboy	Date: 11/18/2011
Subject: Re: My New Yard Is Maturing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66610	From: R G	Date: 11/18/2011
Subject: Re: Challenger Brief Review page
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66611	From: rick gough	Date: 11/18/2011
Subject: Re: Power question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66612	From: Al Baker	Date: 11/18/2011
Subject: Cancel: Flyonel 6-48144 Baldwin on DC????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66613	From: Al Baker	Date: 11/18/2011
Subject: Flyonel Balwin Switcher 6-48144 on DC??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66614	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 11/18/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel Balwin Switcher 6-48144 on DC??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66615	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/18/2011
Subject: My new yard is maturing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66616	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 11/18/2011
Subject: They're not just for passenger trans..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66617	From: barb	Date: 11/19/2011
Subject: Large Layouts under construction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66618	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/19/2011
Subject: Power question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66619	From: Dave	Date: 11/19/2011
Subject: Flat Car "STEEL BULKHEADS"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66620	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/19/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/20/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66621	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/19/2011
Subject: Micro Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66622	From: Dave	Date: 11/20/2011
Subject: .080 STEEL BULKHEADS NOW AVALIABLE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66623	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 11/20/2011
Subject: Re: Power question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66624	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/20/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/20/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66625	From: R G	Date: 11/20/2011
Subject: Re: Power question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66626	From: Michael	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: American Flyer 583 Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66627	From: Dale Chaudiere	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: For Sale: 470 SANTA FE Alco PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66628	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Power question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66629	From: sgaugian	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: They're not just for passenger trans..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66630	From: R G	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: Power question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66631	From: piccu56	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer 583 Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66632	From: tbennerohio	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: AF Alcos and Bullfrog Snot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66633	From: trainboy247	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: 577 Whistling Billboard Type 1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66634	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: They're not just for passenger trans..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66635	From: aftrains2	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: For Sale: 470 SANTA FE Alco PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66636	From: Obie Bell	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: They're not just for passenger trans..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66637	From: Ben	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: AF Challengers...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66638	From: rick gough	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: Large Layouts under construction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66639	From: R G	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: AF Challengers...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66640	From: rick gough	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: AF Challengers...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66641	From: rick gough	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: AF Alcos and Bullfrog Snot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66642	From: Brady	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: Large Layouts under construction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66643	From: Brady	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: They're not just for passenger trans..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66644	From: rick gough	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: Making Canvas Cab Curtains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66645	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: Large Layouts under construction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66646	From: Larry Asp	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: For Sale: 470 SANTA FE Alco PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66647	From: Ben	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: AF Challengers...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66648	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Hobo's and Railroads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66649	From: Brady	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: Large Layouts under construction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66650	From: charlie and edith	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Link to knuckle coupler conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66651	From: len_hall	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: New Challenger Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66652	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Doc's American Flyer layout & village, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66653	From: tbennerohio	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: AF Alcos and Bullfrog Snot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66654	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Challenger Engine, My Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66655	From: davidavedesian	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: American Flyer Track Radius?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66656	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: Large Layouts under construction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66657	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: They're not just for passenger trans..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66658	From: Timboy	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: Large Layouts under construction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66659	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: Challenger Engine, My Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66660	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: Large Layouts under construction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66661	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: Challenger Engine, My Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66662	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: Large Layouts under construction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66663	From: Timboy	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: Doc's American Flyer layout & village, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66664	From: Timboy	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: Micro Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66665	From: Carey Probst	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: Large Layouts under construction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66666	From: Ben	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: Large Layouts under construction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66667	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Big Layouts vs. Little Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66668	From: R G	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: Big Layouts vs. Little Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66669	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: Large Layouts under construction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66670	From: Stephen	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: AF 753 Trestle Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66671	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: AF 753 Trestle Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66672	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: AF 753 Trestle Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66673	From: Jimbo	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: af 283 choo-choo part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66674	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: af 283 choo-choo part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66675	From: rick gough	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: Big Layouts vs. Little Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66676	From: Dale Chaudiere	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: For Sale: 470 SANTA FE Alco PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66677	From: rick gough	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: AF Challengers...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66678	From: rick gough	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: Challenger Engine, My Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66679	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: af 283 choo-choo part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66680	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: art ferguson's wp layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66681	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 11/23/2011
Subject: Re: af 283 choo-choo part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66682	From: Timboy	Date: 11/23/2011
Subject: Re: af 283 choo-choo part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66683	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 11/23/2011
Subject: Re: af 283 choo-choo part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66684	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/23/2011
Subject: Re: AF Challengers tooling...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66685	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 11/23/2011
Subject: Re: af 283 choo-choo part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66686	From: Neil Trump	Date: 11/23/2011
Subject: Re: af 283 choo-choo part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66687	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 11/23/2011
Subject: Video- AndermanFlyer S ga. Auto. Siding Display At Toy Train Expo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66688	From: rick gough	Date: 11/23/2011
Subject: Re: AF Alcos and Bullfrog Snot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66689	From: rick gough	Date: 11/23/2011
Subject: Re: AF Challengers tooling...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66690	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/23/2011
Subject: Re: AF Challengers tooling...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66691	From: tbennerohio	Date: 11/23/2011
Subject: Re: AF Alcos and Bullfrog Snot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66692	From: steve	Date: 11/23/2011
Subject: Re: wanted: af northern pacific set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66693	From: steve	Date: 11/23/2011
Subject: Re: wanted: af northern pacific set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66694	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 11/24/2011
Subject: lubricating smoke units: was : af 283 choo-choo part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66695	From: Jerry	Date: 11/24/2011
Subject: Advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66696	From: Timboy	Date: 11/24/2011
Subject: Re: Advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66697	From: Brady	Date: 11/24/2011
Subject: Re: Video- AndermanFlyer S ga. Auto. Siding Display At Toy Train Exp
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66698	From: Timboy	Date: 11/24/2011
Subject: Re: Video- AndermanFlyer S ga. Auto. Siding Display At Toy Train Exp
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66699	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/24/2011
Subject: Advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66700	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/24/2011
Subject: Re: Advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66701	From: David	Date: 11/24/2011
Subject: PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. 2 Car Decal Set (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66702	From: rick gough	Date: 11/24/2011
Subject: Re: lubricating smoke units: was : af 283 choo-choo part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66703	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/24/2011
Subject: Fw: British fun
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66704	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: S-Trains Chat Room - Please Check Your Login / Registration!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66705	From: johntech	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: S-Train ChatSite
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66706	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: Homosote?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66707	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: EZ "S" Scratch Building guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66708	From: Glenn	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: PVMR TRAIN LAYOUTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66709	From: Carey Probst	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: Re: Video- AndermanFlyer S ga. Auto. Siding Display At Toy Train Exp
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66710	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: Re: Homosote?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66711	From: Timboy	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: Re: Homosote?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66712	From: mike boyd	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: Re: Homosote?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66713	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: Homosote?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66714	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: Re: Homosote?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66715	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: Re: S-Train ChatSite
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66716	From: Herb Cotter	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: Re: Advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66717	From: Dave	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. 2 Car Reefer Decal Set (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66718	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: Re: PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. 2 Car Reefer Decal Set (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66719	From: Timboy	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: Re: Homosote?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66720	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: Re: PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. 2 Car Reefer Decal Set (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66721	From: Timboy	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: AC v DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66722	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: Re: Homosote?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66723	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: Re: PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. 2 Car Reefer Decal Set (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66724	From: Herbert	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: AF Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66725	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: Re: SHS latest update posted online
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66726	From: rapidrail1	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: Hommasote
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66727	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: Re: PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. 2 Car Reefer Decal Set (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66728	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: Re: PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. 2 Car Reefer Decal Set (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66729	From: Dave	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: PORKOPOLIS Special Offer (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66730	From: Dave in Maryland	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: SnS web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66731	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: Passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66732	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: Carolinas Division ACSG Upcoming Schedule
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66733	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: SnS web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66734	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: San Diego S-Gaugers window layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66735	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: Re: SnS web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66736	From: brendakenchris	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: Re: PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. 2 Car Reefer Decal Set (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66737	From: Timboy	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: One Way To Internally Wire a 751 Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66738	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: Re: Hommasote
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66739	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: Re: Passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66740	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/27/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66741	From: Timboy	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: Re: One Way To Internally Wire a 751 Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66742	From: johntech	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: Re: SnS web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66743	From: clayton	Date: 11/27/2011
Subject: Re: Some time back one of you was in England on a trip....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66744	From: Carey Probst	Date: 11/27/2011
Subject: Re: SnS web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66745	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/27/2011
Subject: 24003 SF Box Car revisited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66746	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 11/27/2011
Subject: Re: Some time back one of you was in England on a trip....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66747	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/27/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/27/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66748	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 11/27/2011
Subject: Re: 24003 SF Box Car revisited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66749	From: Timboy	Date: 11/27/2011
Subject: Re: AC v DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66750	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 11/27/2011
Subject: Re: 24003 SF Box Car revisited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66751	From: Timboy	Date: 11/27/2011
Subject: A New Use For An Old Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66752	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/27/2011
Subject: Re: 24003 SF Box Car revisited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66753	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 11/27/2011
Subject: Re: A New Use For An Old Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66754	From: R G	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: A New Use For An Old Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66755	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Scratch Building guide posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66756	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: AFL 6-49600 UP Pony Express Set Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66757	From: Thorin	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: A New Use For An Old Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66758	From: Timboy	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: Scratch Building guide posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66759	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Hudson drawbar problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66760	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: Scratch Building guide posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66761	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: AFL 6-49600 UP Pony Express Set Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66762	From: Jim	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: TMCC or DCS conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66763	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: Scratch Building guide posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66764	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: Hudson drawbar problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66765	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: A new use for an old car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66766	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: Hudson drawbar problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66767	From: Al Baker	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: Hudson drawbar problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66768	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: 24003 SF Box Car revisited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66769	From: Tom Grabinski	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: af 751 log loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66770	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: Hudson drawbar problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66771	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: 24003 SF Box Car revisited
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66772	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: Hudson drawbar problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66773	From: Larry Moore	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: Hudson drawbar problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66774	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: Hudson drawbar problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66775	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: Hudson drawbar problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66776	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Hudson drawbar problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66777	From: Al Baker	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: Hudson drawbar problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66778	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC or DCS conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66779	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: Hudson drawbar problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66780	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC or DCS conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66781	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 11/29/2011
Subject: Re: A new use for an old car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66782	From: rapidrail1	Date: 11/29/2011
Subject: Re: A new use for an old car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66783	From: Ray Puls	Date: 11/29/2011
Subject: TMCC electronics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66784	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/29/2011
Subject: Re: A new use for an old car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66785	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/29/2011
Subject: RE;A new use for an old car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66786	From: Timboy	Date: 11/29/2011
Subject: Re: RE;A new use for an old car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66787	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 11/29/2011
Subject: Re: RE;A new use for an old car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66788	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/29/2011
Subject: Track cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66789	From: ekaplan707	Date: 11/29/2011
Subject: For Sale Lionel MPC Era Rolling Stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66790	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/29/2011
Subject: Fw: NEIL YOUNG 35 Years in the Hobby.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66791	From: rick gough	Date: 11/29/2011
Subject: Re: Hudson drawbar problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66792	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 11/29/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: NEIL YOUNG 35 Years in the Hobby.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66793	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/30/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: NEIL YOUNG 35 Years in the Hobby.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66794	From: bedardleon	Date: 11/30/2011
Subject: Adding sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66795	From: Timboy	Date: 11/30/2011
Subject: Re: Video- AndermanFlyer S ga. Auto. Siding Display At Toy Train Exp
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66796	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/30/2011
Subject: Adding sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66797	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 11/30/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: NEIL YOUNG 35 Years in the Hobby.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66798	From: Al Baker	Date: 11/30/2011
Subject: Re: Adding sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66799	From: Timboy	Date: 11/30/2011
Subject: Re: Adding sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66800	From: tbennerohio	Date: 11/30/2011
Subject: Re: Adding sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66801	From: Timboy	Date: 11/30/2011
Subject: The Les Forest Log Loading Center
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66802	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/30/2011
Subject: Re: The Les Forest Log Loading Center
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66803	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: Adding sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66804	From: Ray Puls	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Adding sound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66805	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66806	From: pete t	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: largest model rr
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66807	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66808	From: Timboy	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66809	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66810	From: Timboy	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66811	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: B&O Railroad Museum Television Network - December 2011 w/ Host: Mich
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66812	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66813	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66814	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66815	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Lionel part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66816	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66817	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66818	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: B&O Railroad Museum Television Network - December 2011 w/ Host:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66819	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: DCC ARTICLE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66820	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66821	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66822	From: Donald Keil	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: DCC ARTICLE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66823	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66824	From: Timboy	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66825	From: David	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: 1/16" METALLIC GOLD PIN STRIPING (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66826	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Both DCC and TMCC?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66827	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: End of the Line for 'S'?.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66828	From: Brady	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: MR Project Layout - Virginian Railway
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66829	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: My First Outside trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66830	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Re: End of the line for S?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66831	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Re: End of the Line for 'S'?.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66832	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Re: End of the Line for 'S'?.......NO WAY JOSE !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66833	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Re: End of the Line for 'S'?.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66834	From: R G	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Re: End of the Line for 'S'?.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66835	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Fw: Service/Repair Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66836	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Re: End of the Line for 'S'?.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66837	From: R G	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Re: Both DCC and TMCC?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66838	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: End of S ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66839	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Paradise ( PA )
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66840	From: Timboy	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Re: Both DCC and TMCC?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66841	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Service/Repair Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66842	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Service/Repair Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66843	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Service/Repair Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66844	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Service/Repair Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66845	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Re: End of S ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66846	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Troubled Waters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66847	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Service/Repair Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66848	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Re: End of S ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66849	From: Jay	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Whoops! Bad Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66850	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Fw: Service/Repair Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66851	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Re: Link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66852	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Re: Both DCC and TMCC?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66853	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Re: Whoops, bad day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66854	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Decal Removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66855	From: Brady	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Re: End of the Line for 'S'?.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66856	From: Brady	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: TMCC and DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66857	From: jeryjones3@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Many S pictures and Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66859	From: Timboy	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC and DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66860	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC and DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66861	From: EdSauers	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: New product ***** Single and Double Track Cut Stone Tunnel Portals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66862	From: vito4cal	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Re: Annoucement: S West 7 - Northern California - Reminder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66863	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC and DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66864	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC and DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66865	From: Timboy	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66866	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC and DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66867	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: PVMR-we are doing our part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66868	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/4/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66869	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/4/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66870	From: ron_kolb2000	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: Re: B&O Railroad Museum Television Network - December 2011 w/ Host:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66871	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: Lionel trucks.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66872	From: Gale Hall	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66873	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC and DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66874	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: San Diego S-Gaugers at the Great Train Expo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66875	From: David	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: SCULLEN DISC HUBS (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66876	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: TMCC vs DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66877	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: Re: End of the Line for 'S'?.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66878	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: WeighStation Track Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66879	From: Eric	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: Caution: engines and cars for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66880	From: Eric	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: Parts wanted and a question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66881	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: Modified M2 Trucks and Auto-Hauler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66882	From: Gale Hall	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: CTT magazines are gone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66883	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: Re: Parts wanted and a question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66884	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66885	From: Gale Hall	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: Re: Modified M2 Trucks and Auto-Hauler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66886	From: Timboy	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC vs DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66887	From: Timboy	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: Re: Modified M2 Trucks and Auto-Hauler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66888	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: Modified M2 trucks and auto hauler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66889	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: Re: Modified M2 Trucks and Auto-Hauler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66890	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: City Of Dingburg
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66891	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Kannapolis Festival of Lights Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66892	From: JAN ANDERSON	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers at the Great Train Expo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66893	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: TRAINS IN PARADISE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66894	From: Joseph H	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66895	From: Carey Probst	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: Modified M2 Trucks and Auto-Hauler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66896	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC vs DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66897	From: Dave	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: SCULLIN DISC WHEEL Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66898	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC vs DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66899	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: End of the Line for 'S'?.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66900	From: Timboy	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: A Couple Of Work-Arounds For AC/DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66901	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66902	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: City Of Dingburg
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66903	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: City Of Dingburg
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66904	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66905	From: piccu56	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Vintage AF For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66906	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: City Of Dingburg
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66907	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC vs DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66908	From: Timboy	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: City Of Dingburg
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66909	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Death of S Helper Service?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66910	From: Timboy	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: A PERFECT Place To Unload M&M's!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66911	From: aztecfan	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Pike Master train lay out for the Chattanooga convention.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66912	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: End of the Line for 'S'?.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66913	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: A PERFECT Place To Unload M&M's!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66914	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: City Of Dingburg
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66915	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66916	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: A PERFECT Place To Unload M&M's!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66917	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: A PERFECT place to unload M&Ms
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66918	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66919	From: Thorinn Marty	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Milw 957 Peek a boo Gon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66920	From: Timboy	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: City Of Dingburg
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66921	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: City Of Dingburg
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66922	From: Harold henion Jr.	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66923	From: Carey Probst	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: A PERFECT Place To Unload M&M's!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66924	From: Timboy	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: A PERFECT Place To Unload M&M's!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66925	From: Brady	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66926	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: train show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66927	From: Timboy	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66928	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Toy Train Memories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66929	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66930	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Car Lot Streamers for Nosmo King
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66931	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Christmas Tree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66932	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: City of Dingburg Verse 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66933	From: R G	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66934	From: Michael Rector	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: City Of Dingburg
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66935	From: Timboy	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: A PERFECT place to unload M&Ms
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66936	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66937	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: City Of Dingburg
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66938	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66939	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66940	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66941	From: Joseph H	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66942	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: Milw 957 Peek a boo Gon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66943	From: Bob Moyer	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66944	From: ironrailmodels	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: UTLX Ethylene Car - Modern car Advertising
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66945	From: Jerry	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66946	From: Ray Puls	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: Milw rd peek a boo gon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66947	From: Bill Clark	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: train show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66948	From: The Reardon's	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: Modified M2 Trucks and Auto-Hauler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66949	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: train show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66950	From: John M	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Correct diode help.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66951	From: Timboy	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: train show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66952	From: Brady	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66953	From: Al Baker	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: AFL Challenger Smoke Delectors ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66954	From: Al Baker	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: AFL Challenger 'Minimum Curve' ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66955	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: train show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66956	From: R G	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Challenger 'Minimum Curve' ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66957	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66958	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Nosmo King Streamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66959	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: AF Challenger minimum curve?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66960	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: train show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66961	From: Ben	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Little rubber man...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66962	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66963	From: R G	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66964	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: Little rubber man...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66965	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: eBay refund
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66966	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: Little rubber man...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66967	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: eBay refund
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66968	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: eBay refund
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66969	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: eBay refund
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66970	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: eBay refund
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66971	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: Little rubber man...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66972	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: eBay refund
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66973	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: eBay refund
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66974	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Howard Sheffield
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66975	From: adrian.phillips52	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: way cool lighting kits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66976	From: earl.carlsen@att.net	Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: Lionel /AF Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66977	From: Dave	Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: SCULLIN DISC DRIVER INSTALLATION (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66978	From: Timboy	Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: My 2nd Effort At Building An M&M Unloading Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66979	From: Timboy	Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: Re: Nosmo King Streamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66980	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel /AF Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66981	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: My 2nd effort at building an M&Ms unloading station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66982	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel /AF Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66983	From: Bill	Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: s-scale wide vision caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66984	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel /AF Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66985	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: train dvd set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66986	From: Timboy	Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66987	From: Alex	Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel /AF Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66988	From: wb4hay	Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66989	From: Dave	Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: WHEEL INSULATOR SALE, ONE DAY ONLY (advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66990	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66991	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: name
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66992	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Re: train dvd set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66993	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66994	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Diesel brush question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66995	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66996	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert's First Five-Digit Red-Stripe Streamliner Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66997	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Oddities ....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66998	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: SHS Rolling Stock For sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 66999	From: Larry Asp	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67000	From: David	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: BLACK Drive Wheel Insulators
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67001	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel /AF Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67002	From: R G	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67003	From: Timboy	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67004	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel /AF Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67005	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67006	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Re: SHS Rolling Stock For sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67007	From: JOHN RUTH	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: ACSGCDiv Super Eight Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67008	From: Dave	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: REPAIRMANS DRIVE WHEEL HUB TOOL (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67009	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel /AF Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67010	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67011	From: Dave	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: DRIVE WHEEL HUB TOOL (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67012	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Re: Diesel brush question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67013	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel /AF Mikado
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67014	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: AFL Handcar Part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67015	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67016	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67017	From: Timboy	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67018	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67019	From: Larry Asp	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67020	From: David	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: ONE DAY INSULATOR SALE EXTENDED (advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67021	From: Timboy	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: The Nosmo King Kar Lot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67022	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: Promoting NASG 2012 Convention in Chattanooga at train shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67023	From: Timboy	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67024	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: More from today's Nashville TCA Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67025	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67026	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: 2011 S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67027	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/11/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67028	From: Lon Walker	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67029	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: Hand car issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67030	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: Re: The Nosmo King Kar Lot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67031	From: Timboy	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67032	From: Lon Walker	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67033	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: Re: Hand car issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67034	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Hand car issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67035	From: ron plyler	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Hand car issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67036	From: doerryn	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Another way of reversing -- improved circuits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67037	From: Carey Probst	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: The Nosmo King Kar Lot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67038	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67039	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Hand car issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67040	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67041	From: wjchadbourne	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Nashville trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67042	From: Dave	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: METAL PM WHEELS (advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67043	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67044	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Hand car issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67045	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: couplers? Link?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67046	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Nashville trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67047	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Nashville trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67048	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67049	From: Timboy	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Another way of reversing -- improved circuits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67050	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Light bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67051	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67052	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/11/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67053	From: Eric	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: For sale items:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67054	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67055	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Domino Hopper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67056	From: Joseph H	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67057	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Nashville trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67058	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Nashville trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67059	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67060	From: Jens	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: FS Lionel Gilbert American Flyer Trains Signals NEW in BOX
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67061	From: johntech	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Looking for springs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67062	From: Timboy	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67063	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67064	From: piccu56	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Re: Looking for springs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67065	From: Dave	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: METAL WHEEL 3 Day Sale (advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67066	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Re: FS Lionel Gilbert American Flyer Trains Signals NEW in BOX
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67067	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67068	From: R G	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Re: Looking for springs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67069	From: DarylO	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Chassis removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67070	From: Carey Probst	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Re: help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67071	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Re: Hand car issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67072	From: piccu56	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Re: Chassis removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67073	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Hand car issue (now;China)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67074	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67075	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Re: Hand car issue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67076	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Re: Chassis removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67077	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Re: help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67078	From: Al Baker	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Got my Challenger !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67079	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: wicked wick
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67080	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Re: Got my Challenger !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67081	From: aztecfan	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: This would be a fun layout for the kids.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67082	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Re: wicked wick
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67083	From: Ray Cook	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Re: Hand car issue (now;China)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67084	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67085	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Got my Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67086	From: tbennerohio	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Re: wicked wick
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67087	From: Ray Puls	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Got my Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67088	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Re: Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67089	From: Al Baker	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: AFL Challenger & Northern brake squeal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67090	From: rick gough	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Re: wicked wick
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67091	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Sounds, sounds and more sounds???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67092	From: R G	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Challenger & Northern brake squeal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67093	From: Dave	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: "FICUS BRAND" Bulkheads Photo (advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67094	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Re: Sounds, sounds and more sounds???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67095	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Wick Trick
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67096	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Re: This would be a fun layout for the kids.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67097	From: Alan Udy	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67098	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: What we do in the country with trains.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67099	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Re: Sounds, sounds and more sounds???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67100	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67101	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67102	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67103	From: fyrrfytr49	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Replacing Smoke Wick......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67104	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67105	From: Timboy	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: Replacing Smoke Wick......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67106	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: 100 Hour Motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67107	From: R G	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: Replacing Smoke Wick......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67108	From: R G	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67109	From: Michael Thomas	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: Got my Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67110	From: Obie Bell	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: 100 hour motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67111	From: Larry Asp	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67112	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: 100 Hour Motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67113	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: wicked wick
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67114	From: ekaplan707	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: For Sale - AC Gilbert Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67115	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: 100 Hour Motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67116	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: wicked wick
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67117	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: 100 Hour Motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67118	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: 100 hour motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67119	From: mike	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: DC Air Chime 332dc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67120	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67121	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Aftermarket electronics conversions?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67122	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: Got my Challenger !
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67123	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: wicked wick - Now Screw Post Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67124	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67125	From: Timboy	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67126	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Photos for alavans51
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67127	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: wicked wicked wick
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67128	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67129	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67130	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: wicked wick - Now Screw Post Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67131	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: 100 Hour Motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67132	From: michael prell	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67133	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: wicked wick - Now Screw Post Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67134	From: Ray Puls	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: Got my Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67135	From: trainnut2us	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: SHS Christmas cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67136	From: Al Baker	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: S-Helper Straight Sectional Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67137	From: Dale F. Smith	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67138	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: wicked wick - Now Screw Post Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67139	From: Bob Moyer	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67140	From: Bill	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: AF Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67141	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: AF Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67142	From: scubadoo2@zoominternet.net	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67143	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: ebay # 330656355646 - RPO Car to match Gilbert Tuscan Passenger Ca
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67144	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Got my Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67145	From: Bill Clark	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: AF Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67146	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67147	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: AF Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67148	From: doerryn	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67149	From: Dennis Back	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: 100 Hour Motors- WARRANTY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67150	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: AF Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67151	From: doerryn	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: 100 Hour Motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67152	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67153	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: AF Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67154	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67155	From: charlie and edith	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Smoke Units - Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67156	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: 100 Hour Motors- WARRANTY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67157	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: AF Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67158	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: 100 Hour Motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67159	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67160	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67161	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: 100 Hour Motors- WARRANTY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67162	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: Smoke Units - Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67163	From: Bill Clark	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67164	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: Got my Challenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67165	From: Al Baker	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67166	From: billclarkvelocette	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67167	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Aftermarket electronics conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67168	From: Bill Clark	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67169	From: mike	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: 332dc-334dc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67170	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67171	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: 100 Hour Motors- WARRANTY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67172	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67173	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67174	From: George & Ruthanne Sorensen	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67175	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67176	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: 100 Hour Motors- WARRANTY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67177	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67178	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: 100 Hour Motors- WARRANTY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67179	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: scratch building
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67180	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: scratch building
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67181	From: doerryn	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67182	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: 100 Hour Motors- WARRANTY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67183	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: scratch building
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67184	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67185	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: Scratch Building
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67186	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: SHS Bulkhead Flatcars for sale, including a Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67187	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: For sale - FALL S FEST PASSENGER CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67188	From: johntech	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: Re: scratch building
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67189	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67190	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: Flyonel Northern Pacific Passenger Cars for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67191	From: Dave	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: 0-8-0 & 0-6-0 Traction Bands (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67192	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] December 17 in railroad history - North Coast Limite
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67193	From: trainnut2us	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: Re: SHS Christmas cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67194	From: Dale F. Smith	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67195	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: bulding parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67196	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: Photos of Faulty AFL 740 Handcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67197	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: Re: Photos of Faulty AFL 740 Handcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67198	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/18/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67199	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: Changes at americanflyerdisplays.org
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67200	From: doerryn	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67201	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: Scratch Building
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67202	From: snottpuppy124	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Rocket Car.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67203	From: Dave	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: "PORKOPOLIS" Stock Car Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67204	From: George & Ruthanne Sorensen	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67205	From: americanflyer1953	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Wheel Flage Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67206	From: Timboy	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Buildings and Structures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67207	From: David Highfield	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Roads and Rails Museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67208	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: "PORKOPOLIS" Stock Car Photo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67209	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/18/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67210	From: r.borowski	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: Rocket Car.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67211	From: Alfred	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: What am I missing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67212	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: Wheel Flage Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67213	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: Buildings and Structures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67214	From: Timboy	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: Buildings and Structures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67215	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: Buildings and Structures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67216	From: americanflyer1953	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: Wheel Flage Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67217	From: Paul	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67218	From: edwiehe1	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67219	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67220	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: Buildings and Structures(stumpy style?)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67221	From: americanflyer1953	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: Wheel Flage Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67222	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Buildings and Structures (stumpy style)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67223	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67224	From: altwwer@sbcglobal.net	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67225	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing? Now Complete Railroad System
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67226	From: wd511@att.net	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Semaphore Sam short
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67227	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: Wheel Flage Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67228	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: Rocket Car.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67229	From: R G	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: Rocket Car.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67230	From: Timboy	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: Buildings and Structures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67231	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: Wheel Flage Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67232	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67233	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: Buildings and Structures (stumpy style)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67234	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67235	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: Classic Flyer Forsale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67236	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest C U THERE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67237	From: Timboy	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Fed-Up Shipping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67238	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67239	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67240	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67241	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing? Now Complete Railroad System
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67242	From: R G	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: Fed-Up Shipping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67243	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: What am I missing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67244	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: Buildings and Structures (stumpy style)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67245	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing? Now Complete Railroad System
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67246	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: Buildings and Structures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67247	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67248	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: Fed-Up Shipping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67249	From: Timboy	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: Buildings and Structures(stumpy style?)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67250	From: charlie and edith	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: Smoke Units - Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67251	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: Smoke Units - Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67252	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: Buildings and Structures(stumpy style?)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67253	From: Timboy	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: Buildings and Structures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67254	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: CARDBOARD BUILDINGS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67255	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Gondola Canisters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67256	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Buildings and structures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67257	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: Gondola Canisters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67258	From: R G	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: CARDBOARD BUILDINGS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67259	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: CARDBOARD BUILDINGS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67260	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: CARDBOARD BUILDINGS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67261	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: Gondola Canisters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67262	From: altwwer@sbcglobal.net	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67263	From: Dave	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: SCULLIN DISC HUBS Arrived (advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67264	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67265	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67266	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67267	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67268	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67269	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: Buildings and structures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67270	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: CARDBOARD BUILDINGS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67271	From: Dale F. Smith	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67272	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: AFL Handcar - Still Trying to Fix It
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67273	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67274	From: Don Abrams	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: 332 Northerns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67275	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67276	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67277	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: being a newbe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67278	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Drive-in Theatre
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67279	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67280	From: Timboy	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Free Stick Wood
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67281	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Cardboard Buildings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67282	From: R G	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67283	From: R G	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67284	From: Dale F. Smith	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67285	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67286	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67287	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: being a newbe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67288	From: Dave	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: SCULLIN WHEELS Ready To Install, Photo (Advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67289	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: being a newbe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67290	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: Free Stick Wood
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67291	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Drive-In and stickwood
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67292	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: being a newbe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67293	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: World's Largest Layout?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67294	From: R G	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: being a newbe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67295	From: Larry Moore	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-In and stickwood
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67296	From: Ray Cook	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: Free Stick Wood
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67297	From: Larry Moore	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Flyonel, B&O PA's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67298	From: johntech	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Wheel spacing on a Baldwin switcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67299	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: Free Stick Wood
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67300	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: being a newbe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67301	From: willisbd	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Looking for Flyer 3/16 O Gauge info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67302	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67303	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: tks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67304	From: tbennerohio	Date: 12/22/2011
Subject: 316 power pickup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67305	From: Herbert	Date: 12/22/2011
Subject: Re: Looking for Flyer 3/16 O Gauge info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67306	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 12/22/2011
Subject: Re: Buildings and Structures(stumpy style?)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67307	From: johntech	Date: 12/22/2011
Subject: The Model Railroader' S Night Before ChriStmaS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67308	From: mike jones	Date: 12/22/2011
Subject: Re: 316 power pickup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67309	From: piccu56	Date: 12/22/2011
Subject: Re: 316 power pickup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67310	From: R G	Date: 12/22/2011
Subject: Re: 316 power pickup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67311	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 12/22/2011
Subject: Re: The Model Railroader' S Night Before ChriStmaS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67312	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/22/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67313	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 12/22/2011
Subject: Re: being a newbe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67314	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/22/2011
Subject: Brakes on DC Metro
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67315	From: tbennerohio	Date: 12/22/2011
Subject: Re: 316 power pickup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67316	From: Brady	Date: 12/22/2011
Subject: Re: tks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67317	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 12/22/2011
Subject: Re: Looking for Flyer 3/16 O Gauge info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67318	From: Herbert	Date: 12/23/2011
Subject: Re: Looking for Flyer 3/16 O Gauge info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67319	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/23/2011
Subject: Re: Looking for Flyer 3/16 O Gauge info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67320	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/23/2011
Subject: Re: Looking for Flyer 3/16 O Gauge info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67321	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/23/2011
Subject: Happy Holidays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67322	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/23/2011
Subject: Re: 316 power pickup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67323	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2011
Subject: Re: Looking for Flyer 3/16 O Gauge info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67324	From: Bill	Date: 12/23/2011
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67325	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/23/2011
Subject: Incredible
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67326	From: Larry Moore	Date: 12/23/2011
Subject: MERRY CHRISTMAS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67327	From: Ray Puls	Date: 12/24/2011
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67328	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2011
Subject: SP Daylight PA-PA and Combo, Observation Cars for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67329	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 12/24/2011
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67330	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2011
Subject: Northern Pacific Passenger Cars for sale (Flyonel)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67331	From: Bob	Date: 12/24/2011
Subject: Happy Holidays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67332	From: fyrrfytr49	Date: 12/24/2011
Subject: Merry Christmas to All......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67333	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 12/24/2011
Subject: Re: tks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67334	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/24/2011
Subject: Christmas Eve in the Shed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67335	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2011
Subject: SHS Freight Cars on Ebay in American Flyer category
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67336	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 12/24/2011
Subject: Re: Happy Holidays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67337	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/24/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/25/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67338	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/25/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/25/2011, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67339	From: jtkeating	Date: 12/25/2011
Subject: Wanted: 21085 Boiler & 2 pin C&NW Tender Shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67340	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/26/2011
Subject: SHS and AM Freight Cars for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67341	From: Bob	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67342	From: Dave	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: DRIVE WHEEL BLACK INSULATORS (advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67343	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: Hobby shops in St. Louis area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67344	From: John	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: Like Having an Electrician in a Bottle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67345	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: Scale Wheel sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67346	From: Dave	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: DRIVE WHEEL BLACK INSULATORS (advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67347	From: Donald Keil	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: Re: Like Having an Electrician in a Bottle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67348	From: rick gough	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: Re: Like Having an Electrician in a Bottle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67349	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: Re: Like Having an Electrician in a Bottle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67350	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: Re: Scale Wheel sets with the Flyonel U33C diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67351	From: Al Baker	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: Re: Scale Wheel sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67352	From: Dave	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: DRIVE WHEEL BLACK INSULATORS (advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67353	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: Re: Like Having an Electrician in a Bottle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67354	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: What to do
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67355	From: Al Baker	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: Re: Like Having an Electrician in a Bottle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67356	From: R G	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: Re: What to do
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67357	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: Re: What to do
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67358	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67359	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: What to do
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67360	From: Thorin	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: DRIVE WHEEL BLACK INSULATORS (advertisement)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67361	From: Frank	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: What to do
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67362	From: michael prell	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67363	From: R G	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67364	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67365	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67366	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67367	From: Dave	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: NEW LINK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67368	From: Mike Andrzejewski	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67369	From: jim_marski	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: FOR SALE- Lionel Flyer MoPac Passenger set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67370	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67371	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67372	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67373	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67374	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67375	From: Robert	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Been away for a while
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67376	From: aztecfan	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Need Tom's turnouts to match AM 148 track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67377	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67378	From: Brady	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: What to do
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67379	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: Been away for a while
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67380	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67381	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67382	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67383	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67384	From: Brady	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67385	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67386	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67387	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67388	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67389	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Off Subject--Girder & Panel Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67390	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Re: off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67391	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Re: off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67392	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: What to do
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67393	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Fw: Red and Rover
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67394	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Re: off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67395	From: Thorin	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67396	From: Thorin	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67397	From: Thorin	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Re: off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67398	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Re: off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67399	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Re: off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67400	From: R G	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Re: off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67401	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Allegheny Central RR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67402	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Re: Allegheny Central RR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67403	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: AFL Union Pacific PB-1 Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67404	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67405	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67406	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Washington PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67407	From: wb4hay	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: DCC installations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67408	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Union Pacific PB-1 Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67409	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67410	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67411	From: David Highfield	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Rocky Mountain Express IMAX
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67412	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Off subject and on
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67413	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: Rocky Mountain Express IMAX
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67414	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: DCC installations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67415	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67416	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67417	From: ken garber	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: DCC Installations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67418	From: Herbert	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67419	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: Rocky Mountain Express IMAX
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67420	From: preardon@maine.rr.com	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67421	From: MikeS	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Lionel Super "O" Trackage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67422	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: DCC Installations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67423	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: Off Subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67424	From: Lon Walker	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67425	From: johntech	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Model Railroader 3 DVD set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67426	From: ekaplan707	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: New Lionel AF U33C
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67427	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67428	From: ekaplan707	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Gilbert AF Accessories for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67429	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Rolling stock for sale - SHS, AM, Omnicon, Flyonel, PRS (assembled)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67430	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67431	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67432	From: dphobbies	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: U33s - Starting to show up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67433	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67434	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: New Lionel AF U33C
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67435	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: DCC Installations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67436	From: Timboy	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Fed-Ups Shipping Is Now In Service!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67437	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: What to do
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67438	From: ekaplan707	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: New Lionel AF U33C
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67439	From: pkrae	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert AF Accessories for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67440	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: Fed-Ups Shipping Is Now In Service!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67441	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: New Lionel AF U33C
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67442	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: Fed-Ups Shipping Is Now In Service!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67443	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: Fed-Ups Shipping Is Now In Service!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67444	From: DennisC	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: New Lionel AF U33C
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67445	From: Brady	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: Fed-Ups Shipping Is Now In Service!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67446	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Fed Ups shipping now in service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67447	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67448	From: Timboy	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: Fed Ups shipping now in service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67449	From: flguz	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: CIRCUS TRUCK PYRO? OR ALLIED?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67450	From: flguz	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: 314AW WON'T SHUT UP
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67451	From: Carey Probst	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: Fed-Ups Shipping Is Now In Service!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67452	From: hazelnutt_1999	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Recently on Public Radio
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67453	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: Fed Ups shipping now in service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67454	From: Roy Meissner	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: Model Railroader 3 DVD set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67455	From: Ray Cook	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67456	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: CIRCUS TRUCK PYRO? OR ALLIED?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67457	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Lionel AF Erie Action Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67458	From: Thorinn Marty	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Also PA Glass
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67459	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: K325 lacks pulling power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67460	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67461	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: Off Topic (Nostalgia)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67462	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: K325 lacks pulling power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67463	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: K325 lacks pulling power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67464	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: K325 lacks pulling power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67465	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: K325 lacks pulling power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67466	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: Off Topic (Nostalgia)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67467	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Seaboard Baldwin's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67468	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/1/2012, 8:00 pm
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67469	From: rj4010d	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: u33's ,challengers,& more
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67470	From: Dale F. Smith	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: Off Topic (Nostalgia)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67471	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: Seaboard Baldwin's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67472	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: Seaboard Baldwin's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67473	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: u33's ,challengers,& more
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67474	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: Seaboard Baldwin's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 67475	From: fyrrfytr49	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: NEW YEARS EVE CHAT #######################################

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 62752	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/1/2011
Subject: Re: AF 740 Handcar--Parts

Hi, I have the gear, and arm here at my desk as I am typing this to you. Do you still need one?  Clayton --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Bl Lamb <bllamb29@...> wrote: From: Bl Lamb <bllamb29@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF 740 Handcar--Parts To: s-trains@... Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 7:01 AM   I am restoring a 740 handcar. It has a broken (missing) operating arm (connecting gear to the rocker arm). Instead of making a replacement operating arm I would like to find the whole link & gear assembly. Does anyone have a suggestion for finding this part? Thanks, BLL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62753	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2011
Subject: ABT in AF ebay site

Type in ABT in AF ebay site Bob, they have 40 total listings in trains and no paypal, been doing this for years. I wonder if Drew Bower (lawyer) threatened them. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Dec 31, 2010 2:32 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again - easiest way around paypal At the risk of continuing this MESS!!!!! I found this by Ambrose bauer !!!!!!!!!!!!! "Please add $14.00 for US-48 Shipment by UPS Ground (we do not combine shipping charges if you pay with credit card). We do NOT accept Pay Pal. International and non US-48 Addresses are Extra. No Shipments to Post Office Boxes." Type in ABT in AF ebay site.... they have 5 listings and not removed..... I highlighted the Not portion.... Bob --- On Fri, 12/31/10, Martin <skally@...> wrote: From: Martin <skally@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ebay Blocking Bids, Again - easiest way around paypal To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 11:29 AM The easiest way around paypal for those that don't use it, or don't want to use it all the time is pick up in person. Many sellers allow picking up in person. If you can't do it in person, have a friend, or a group of friends deliver payment and pickup item for you. Who are these friends you ask? our wonderful US postal service. Most of us, use this friend daily if not multiple times a day. This seems to be a common practice amungst ebayers, although all sellers will not work with sellers on this. Just food for thought. Marty - Usually happy, but sometimes frustrated - 12 year eBay buyer and seller. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62754	From: Dennis Back	Date: 1/1/2011
Subject: Re: (accepting paypal) ABT in AF ebay site

>>>>>>Type in ABT in AF ebay site  >>>> ....they have 40 total listings in trains and no paypal, been doing this for years. wonder if Drew Bower (lawyer) threatened them. ------------------------------------ If you type in ""We do NOT accept Pay Pal" using the quotes, when I did this, it came up with 8,559 items. They ALL accept credit cards. What does this mean?  It means that ebay requires a seller to accept SOME form of credit card.  A seller does not have to accept paypal. Happy New Year to all, Dennis So. Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62755	From: bllamb29	Date: 1/1/2011
Subject: Re: AF 740 Handcar--Parts

Yes, Clayton, I sure do need one. Thanks for responding. I'll send an email. BLL --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: > >  Hi, I have the gear, and arm here at my desk as I am typing this to you. Do you still need one? >  Clayton > > --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Bl Lamb <bllamb29@...> wrote: > > From: Bl Lamb <bllamb29@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] AF 740 Handcar--Parts > To: s-trains@... > Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 7:01 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > I am restoring a 740 handcar. It has a broken (missing) operating arm > > (connecting gear to the rocker arm). Instead of making a replacement operating > > arm I would like to find the whole link & gear assembly. Does anyone have a > > suggestion for finding this part? Thanks, BLL > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62756	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/1/2011
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids

----- Original Message ----- From: May Cunningham My husband is using Proto-Smoke now since I complained about the smell. Seems to work well. > > > > > > > > > > > With the right relationship, complaining does work. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62757	From: May Cunningham	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids

Yep, you got that right.  Not if he would just listen to my ideas about the layout we would doing great!  lol!!! --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> wrote: From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Smoke fluids To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 12:19 AM   ----- Original Message ----- From: May Cunningham My husband is using Proto-Smoke now since I complained about the smell. Seems to work well. > > > > > > > > > > > With the right relationship, complaining does work. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62758	From: aztecfan	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Anamations, it is our turn guys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBbjhh_Vn0U&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL Enjoy Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62759	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Animations it's our turn

This fellow has been making the tour of On30 Yahoo Groups the past few weeks, and has some really neat stuff. Of course, since we have "operating accessories" we already have "animation" of a sort in S and O gauge. Many years ago, I spent some time learning animation from a fellow model railroader who also made store window displays and some intricate animations for a local museum. (It took eight months to do one of those!) All animation is really about basic mechanical movements; levers, cams, and so on. The real trick is finding the small, slow turning motors to drive the movements! Old George had bought up a supply of geared motors as surplus right after he mustered out of WWII. Once you have a drive motor, the next trick is to design all the linkages and parts required and then scratchbuild all of them. This is somewhat easier today with all the plastic and metal strips, rods, and shapes available. It takes a lot of time and trial and error to get the movement just right and looking natural. However, once you have mastered a particular movement, you can then reproduce it in any number. An additional problem for making anything for long term public display is servicability and durability, which most model railroaders don't have to worry as much about. Animation is fascinating and challenging and really a whole hobby in itself. Once you have found the geared motors, the rest is relatively cheap financially, but can be VERY expensive in time! Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Eastern Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62760	From: clayton	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed....

Hello group, and happy new year. I picked up a #429 A.F. it was not working, and the E unite was gone. Here is where I could use the help from the group. I have the E unit now ready to go in, but the wires are gone. I am looking for a wiring diagram to hook it up. I made a stab at it, and it works, but I would like to see the true way this was wire. Can some one help me with a link, or a diagram? Clayton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62761	From: Tim Brown	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed....

Hello, You could probably get a wiring diagram from Dallee Electronics or Lionel for an e-unit. Regards,Timboy --- On Sun, 1/2/11, clayton <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton <uvl97222@...> Subject: [S-Trains] A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed.... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 11:51 AM   Hello group, and happy new year. I picked up a #429 A.F. it was not working, and the E unite was gone. Here is where I could use the help from the group. I have the E unit now ready to go in, but the wires are gone. I am looking for a wiring diagram to hook it up. I made a stab at it, and it works, but I would like to see the true way this was wire. Can some one help me with a link, or a diagram? Clayton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62762	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: Animations it's our turn

STUMPY.... Reminds me that several years ago I bought a bunch of 110 v 2 rpm geared motors..... 10 or 12 of them....NOW WHERE THE HECK DID I PUT THEM!!!!!!!!  Bob --- On Sun, 1/2/11, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Animations it's our turn To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 10:47 AM   This fellow has been making the tour of On30 Yahoo Groups the past few weeks, and has some really neat stuff. Of course, since we have "operating accessories" we already have "animation" of a sort in S and O gauge. Many years ago, I spent some time learning animation from a fellow model railroader who also made store window displays and some intricate animations for a local museum. (It took eight months to do one of those!) All animation is really about basic mechanical movements; levers, cams, and so on. The real trick is finding the small, slow turning motors to drive the movements! Old George had bought up a supply of geared motors as surplus right after he mustered out of WWII. Once you have a drive motor, the next trick is to design all the linkages and parts required and then scratchbuild all of them. This is somewhat easier today with all the plastic and metal strips, rods, and shapes available. It takes a lot of time and trial and error to get the movement just right and looking natural. However, once you have mastered a particular movement, you can then reproduce it in any number. An additional problem for making anything for long term public display is servicability and durability, which most model railroaders don't have to worry as much about. Animation is fascinating and challenging and really a whole hobby in itself. Once you have found the geared motors, the rest is relatively cheap financially, but can be VERY expensive in time! Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Eastern Ahia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62763	From: May	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Mystery Grease on track.

Every Wed and sat, my husband clean the tracks of our lil railraod empire. This morning when he went to run the trains on the one track, the engine was spinning it's wheels. When he went to look to see what was the matter, he discovered one rail was cover black goop as he called it. He re-cleaned the track and the engine was running fine. When he went to show some friends his handywork, again it was covered with the black stuff. Thoughts as to where this stuff came from as it's only on rail.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62764	From: michael prell	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: Flyerville Polka

Who woulda thunk it. Flyer trains enthusiasm crossing the boundry between merely playing and actually contributing to the ever growing world of creative verse. Nice. Very Nice and a great way to start 2010...I mean...2011. Gotta get used to the new number. Thanks, Tim! Happy New Year! Mike-S-taying warm in S-yracuse-Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Fri, 12/31/10, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote: From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Flyerville Polka To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 8:07 PM   Da-Da-Da-Da-Ta-Da – Flyers! We're from the town with that great Flyer train, We cheer the Gilbert Flyers. AC and all his friends are all on the layout. Go out and get them, Flyers. Guilford, and New Haven and Mini-Craft and Branford. We love you American Flyers. It's been many years in coming, Just keep that American Flyer machinery humming Reverse unit, Reverse unit, keep them cycling, keep adjusting that pawl. Smoke box, Smoke box, keep the Flyers always best of all! AC, AC, do your thing against the other trains, You run from year to year, we're so glad to run you here, Now join with me, and sing that Flyer cheer-er-ER! We're from the town with that great Flyer train, We cheer the Gilbert Flyers. Running's a habit, not only a dream, Go out and get them, Flyers. Guilford's Gorillas are here for the show, And so it AC's army, It's been many years in coming, Just keep that Flyer machinery humming Chuff-chuff, chuff-chuff, take that smoking all way up the track! Chuff-chuff, chuff-chuff, let's smoke and smoke and never lack! Open-frame motors, can you believe we have a running train? The Flyers are so great and so hard to overrate, Good things will come to those who work and wait. Da-Da-Da-Da-Ta-Da – Flyers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! More? http://timboystrainsongs.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62765	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Grease on track.

I had a slight problem with my train under the tree this past Christmas, I believe my track was oily/dirty due to me over-filling the smoke unit, or I have a leaking unit. - rick On Jan 2, 2011, at 11:23 AM, May wrote: > Every Wed and sat, my husband clean the tracks of our lil railraod empire. This morning when he went to run the trains on the one track, the engine was spinning it's wheels. When he went to look to see what was the matter, he discovered one rail was cover black goop as he called it. He re-cleaned the track and the engine was running fine. When he went to show some friends his handywork, again it was covered with the black stuff. Thoughts as to where this stuff came from as it's only on rail. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62766	From: Robert	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Grease on track.

Check overhead it may be coming from above. Then check EVERY piece of rolling stock both cars and locomotives including wheelsets and locomotive drive axles and trucks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62767	From: Timboy	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: Flyerville Polka ---- Bye-Bye Mr. American Flyer

A long long time ago I can still remember how that S-gauge used to make me smile And I knew if I had my way That I could make those children play And maybe they'd be happy for a while But February made me shiver With every paper I'd deliver Bad news on the doorstep I couldn't take one more step I can't remember if I cried When I read about his widowed bride But something touched me deep inside The day A.C. Gilbert died So, bye-bye, Mr. American Flyer The well of S-gauge couldn't have run much drier Put my trains away in a cardboard box And them good old boys were drinkin' single malt scotch Singin' this'll be the day that I die This'll be the day that I die Did you write the Book of Trains And did you believe that Lionelers had any brains If the Bible tells you this and that Do you then believe in 3-rail format Can O-gauge save your mortal soul And can you teach me how to run trains without real coal Well, I know that you're in love with 3-rail 'Cause I saw you running trains in jail You ripped the bars off your cell And built a 3-rail layout straight from hell I was a lonely, teenage broncin' buck Hauling away tons of Lionel in a garbage truck But I knew I was out of luck The day A.C. Gilbert died I started singin' So, bye-bye, Mr. American Flyer The well of S-gauge couldn't have run much drier Put my trains away in a cardboard box And them good old boys were drinkin' single malt scotch Singin' this'll be the day that I die This'll be the day that I die Now for nearly 45 years we've been on our own And moss grows fat on a rollin' stone But that's not how it used to be When the Lionel sang for the King of Trains In a coat he borrowed from Claude Rains In a voice that came from you and me Oh, and while the King was looking down Lionel stole his thorny crown The courtroom was adjourned No verdict was returned And while Lionel copied the designs from Marx 2-railers practiced in the park And we slammed Lionel in the dark The day A.C. Gilbert died We were singin' So, bye-bye, Mr. American Flyer The well of S-gauge couldn't have run much drier Put my trains away in a cardboard box And them good old boys were drinkin' single malt scotch Singin' this'll be the day that I die This'll be the day that I die Helter Skelter in a summer swelter We hid our Flyers in a fallout shelter Boxes piled high and falling fast They landed foul on fake Lionel grass HO gauge tried for a forward pass With Lionel on the sidelines in a cast Now the half-time air was sweet perfume While N gauge played a marching tune 2-railers all got up to dance Oh but we never got the chance 'Cause 3-railers tried to take the field Pre war tinplate refused to yield Do you recall what was revealed The day A.C. Gilbert died We started singing So, bye-bye, Mr. American Flyer The well of S-gauge couldn't have run much drier Put my trains away in a cardboard box And them good old boys were drinkin' single malt scotch Singin' this'll be the day that I die This'll be the day that I die Oh, and there we were, all in one redoubt A generation lost on a puny layout With no time left to start again So come on, 2-rail, be nimble, 2-rail be quick 2-rail sat on a candlestick 'Cause Lionel is the devil's only friend Oh, and as I watched him on the stage My hands were clenched in fists of rage No HO angel born in Hell Could break Lionel's spell And as flames climbed high into the night To light the sacrificial rite I saw Lionel laughing with delight The day A.C. Gilbert died 3-railers were singing So, bye-bye, Mr. American Flyer The well of S-gauge couldn't have run much drier Put my trains away in a cardboard box And them good old boys were drinkin' single malt scotch Singin' this'll be the day that I die This'll be the day that I die I met a girl who sang the blues And I asked her for some happy news But she just smiled and turned and ran I went down to the sacred hobby store Where I'd bought my Flyer years before But the man there said the Flyers would never run again And in the streets the children screamed 2-rail lovers cried, and the modelers dreamed But not a word was spoken The engine bells all were broken And the three rails I detest most That outer, inner and center post They burned out prototypicality just like toast The day A.C. Gilbert died 3-railers were singin' So, bye-bye, Mr. American Flyer The well of S-gauge couldn't have run much drier Put my trains away in a cardboard box And them good old boys were drinkin' single malt scotch Singin' this'll be the day that I die This'll be the day that I die So, bye-bye, Miss American Flyer The well of S-gauge couldn't have run much drier Put my trains away in a cardboard box And them good old boys were drinkin' single malt scotch Singin' this'll be the day that I die (slowly) .and they were singin' Bye-bye, Mr. American Flyer The well of S-gauge couldn't have run much drier Put my trains away in a cardboard box And them good old boys were drinkin' single malt scotch Singing this'll be the day that I die

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62768	From: Robert	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: flyonel conversions

does anyone have any experience converting flyonel locomotives to scale? i'd like to convert a U33c to scale since they were used by all 3 of the roads I model NP. GN and Milwaukee. I was thinking of using American Models wheels in place of the stock wheels. would this project be do-able?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62769	From: Robert	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bob Iannacone <aftrains4u@...> wrote: > > One of the safest and best smoke fluid comes from anormal@...  Happy and > safe New Year. > > Bob > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >When I was in junior high and high school I had one of Flyer's simple train sets with a steamer that had sound and smoke. I live in Montana out in the sticks and the closest Flyer dealer was over 100 miles away. The smoke fluid came in a small red plastic vial that required a hole be put in the end using a needle or pin. As a result 99% of the time this vial would get tipped over and the smoke fluid would leak out. As you can guess I ran out of smoke fluid. At the time I was playing trumpet in the band and had returned home from practice and decided to run my train. In my trumpet case was a bottle of trumpet oil with an applicator similar to a medicine dropper. I took one look and said what the heck and filled the smoke unit with trumpet oil. all I can say is HOLY MACKERAL did it ever emit the smoke and I used that trumpet oil for years and the good part is I could get it locally at a lesser price in the long run and it did not seem to hurt the smoke unit in the least. I'm sorry but I do not remember the brand name of the stuff. After all it's been nearly 50 years. There was a down side as there always is. i was raised by my grandparents and grandma raised the roof because of all the smoke. I never did figure out how to make it puff black smoke but maybe grandma would have really complained then. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62770	From: Timboy	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: Flyerville Polka

Bye-Bye, Mr. American Flyer A long long time ago I can still remember how that S-gauge used to make me smile And I knew if I had my way That I could make those children play And maybe they'd be happy for a while But February made me shiver With every paper I'd deliver Bad news on the doorstep I couldn't take one more step I can't remember if I cried When I read about his widowed bride But something touched me deep inside The day A.C. Gilbert died So, bye-bye, Mr. American Flyer The well of S-gauge couldn't have run much drier Put my trains away in a cardboard box And them good old boys were drinkin' single malt scotch Singin' this'll be the day that I die This'll be the day that I die Did you write the Book of Trains And did you believe that Lionelers had any brains If the Bible tells you this and that Do you then believe in 3-rail format Can O-gauge save your mortal soul And can you teach me how to run trains without real coal Well, I know that you're in love with 3-rail 'Cause I saw you running trains in jail You ripped the bars off your cell And built a 3-rail layout straight from hell I was a lonely, teenage broncin' buck Hauling away tons of Lionel in a garbage truck But I knew I was out of luck The day A.C. Gilbert died I started singin' So, bye-bye, Mr. American Flyer The well of S-gauge couldn't have run much drier Put my trains away in a cardboard box And them good old boys were drinkin' single malt scotch Singin' this'll be the day that I die This'll be the day that I die Now for nearly 45 years we've been on our own And moss grows fat on a rollin' stone But that's not how it used to be When the Lionel sang for the King of Trains In a coat he borrowed from Claude Rains In a voice that came from you and me Oh, and while the King was looking down Lionel stole his thorny crown The courtroom was adjourned No verdict was returned And while Lionel copied the designs from Marx 2-railers practiced in the park And we slammed Lionel in the dark The day A.C. Gilbert died We were singin' So, bye-bye, Mr. American Flyer The well of S-gauge couldn't have run much drier Put my trains away in a cardboard box And them good old boys were drinkin' single malt scotch Singin' this'll be the day that I die This'll be the day that I die Helter Skelter in a summer swelter We hid our Flyers in a fallout shelter Boxes piled high and falling fast They landed foul on fake Lionel grass HO gauge tried for a forward pass With Lionel on the sidelines in a cast Now the half-time air was sweet perfume While N gauge played a marching tune 2-railers all got up to dance Oh but we never got the chance 'Cause 3-railers tried to take the field Pre war tinplate refused to yield Do you recall what was revealed The day A.C. Gilbert died We started singing So, bye-bye, Mr. American Flyer The well of S-gauge couldn't have run much drier Put my trains away in a cardboard box And them good old boys were drinkin' single malt scotch Singin' this'll be the day that I die This'll be the day that I die Oh, and there we were, all in one redoubt A generation lost on a puny layout With no time left to start again So come on, 2-rail, be nimble, 2-rail be quick 2-rail sat on a candlestick 'Cause Lionel is the devil's only friend Oh, and as I watched him on the stage My hands were clenched in fists of rage No HO angel born in Hell Could break Lionel's spell And as flames climbed high into the night To light the sacrificial rite I saw Lionel laughing with delight The day A.C. Gilbert died 3-railers were singing So, bye-bye, Mr. American Flyer The well of S-gauge couldn't have run much drier Put my trains away in a cardboard box And them good old boys were drinkin' single malt scotch Singin' this'll be the day that I die This'll be the day that I die I met a girl who sang the blues And I asked her for some happy news But she just smiled and turned and ran I went down to the sacred hobby store Where I'd bought my Flyer years before But the man there said the Flyers would never run again And in the streets the children screamed 2-rail lovers cried, and the modelers dreamed But not a word was spoken The engine bells all were broken And the three rails I detest most That outer, inner and center post They burned out prototypicality just like toast The day A.C. Gilbert died 3-railers were singin' So, bye-bye, Mr. American Flyer The well of S-gauge couldn't have run much drier Put my trains away in a cardboard box And them good old boys were drinkin' single malt scotch Singin' this'll be the day that I die This'll be the day that I die So, bye-bye, Miss American Flyer The well of S-gauge couldn't have run much drier Put my trains away in a cardboard box And them good old boys were drinkin' single malt scotch Singin' this'll be the day that I die (slowly) .and they were singin' Bye-bye, Mr. American Flyer The well of S-gauge couldn't have run much drier Put my trains away in a cardboard box And them good old boys were drinkin' single malt scotch Singing this'll be the day that I die

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62771	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: The Big Boy through my double crossover video

Here is a link to a video of my Big Boy and the double crossover. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=O8-BvUBsj-4 Enjoy, Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62772	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/2/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday January 2, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62773	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: The Big Boy through my double crossover video

Great video of your Big Boy Carl.  You have an awesome layout.  What are the dimensions?  Bob ________________________________ From: "carl@..." <carl@...> To: STrains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, January 2, 2011 4:27:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] The Big Boy through my double crossover video   Here is a link to a video of my Big Boy and the double crossover. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=O8-BvUBsj-4 Enjoy, Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62774	From: Bud Rindfleisch	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: flyonel conversions

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote: > > does anyone have any experience converting flyonel locomotives to scale? > i'd like to convert a U33c to scale since they were used by all 3 of the roads I model NP. GN and Milwaukee. I was thinking of using American Models wheels in place of the stock wheels. would this project be do-able? > Robert, If I'm not mistaken, doesn't the Lionel U33C come with "scale" wheel sets in the box? That was the way they were first advertised. I didn't get mine yet, so can't vouch for that. Bud Rindfleisch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62775	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Smoke fluids

Anormal smoke fluid is the best. Just used up my last bottle I was given to try. If you want a smell close to original, Bob Board's Super Smoke is very near the original. Bob says it is made from the original formula, which he will not divulge. Harwood Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Smoke fluids One of the safest and best smoke fluid comes from anormal@.... Happy and safe New Year. Bob ________________________________ From: Edward <am-flyr@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, December 31, 2010 1:18:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Smoke fluids THAT IS DUMB.......Not only does it Stink ...But it is also very EXPLOSIVE.....WD 40 is HIGHLY explosive and could blow an Engine apart ...some Mechanics use it as Starting fluid ....but most of the Rednecks use it for their potatoe Cannons....Stay away from it ... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, May Cunningham <mammac40@...> wrote: > > My husband has put in smoke fluid and then a shot of two of WD-40. It smokes >very well but has set off the smoke detetor twice, and the smell has caused me >to get a headache. > > --- On Fri, 12/31/10, Gary <headlap2005@...> wrote: > > > From: Gary <headlap2005@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke fluids > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 3:57 PM > > >  > > > > I had read somewhere that putting WD40 in the smoke unit will help clean it >out. It smokes so well on WD40, has anyone used this as a constant smoke fluid >or does it have some long term ill effects? > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62776	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: Flyerville Polka

If Don MacLean was dead he would be turning over in his grave Tim. But nicely done. Like the part about Lionel. LOL Mike From: Timboy Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 4:30 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Flyerville Polka Bye-Bye, Mr. American Flyer A long long time ago I can still remember how that S-gauge used to make me smile And I knew if I had my way That I could make those children play And maybe they'd be happy for a while But February made me shiver With every paper I'd deliver Bad news on the doorstep I couldn't take one more step I can't remember if I cried When I read about his widowed bride But something touched me deep inside The day A.C. Gilbert died So, bye-bye, Mr. American Flyer The well of S-gauge couldn't have run much drier Put my trains away in a cardboard box And them good old boys were drinkin' single malt scotch Singin' this'll be the day that I die This'll be the day that I die Did you write the Book of Trains And did you believe that Lionelers had any brains If the Bible tells you this and that Do you then believe in 3-rail format Can O-gauge save your mortal soul And can you teach me how to run trains without real coal Well, I know that you're in love with 3-rail 'Cause I saw you running trains in jail You ripped the bars off your cell And built a 3-rail layout straight from hell I was a lonely, teenage broncin' buck Hauling away tons of Lionel in a garbage truck But I knew I was out of luck The day A.C. Gilbert died I started singin' So, bye-bye, Mr. American Flyer The well of S-gauge couldn't have run much drier Put my trains away in a cardboard box And them good old boys were drinkin' single malt scotch Singin' this'll be the day that I die This'll be the day that I die Now for nearly 45 years we've been on our own And moss grows fat on a rollin' stone But that's not how it used to be When the Lionel sang for the King of Trains In a coat he borrowed from Claude Rains In a voice that came from you and me Oh, and while the King was looking down Lionel stole his thorny crown The courtroom was adjourned No verdict was returned And while Lionel copied the designs from Marx 2-railers practiced in the park And we slammed Lionel in the dark The day A.C. Gilbert died We were singin' So, bye-bye, Mr. American Flyer The well of S-gauge couldn't have run much drier Put my trains away in a cardboard box And them good old boys were drinkin' single malt scotch Singin' this'll be the day that I die This'll be the day that I die Helter Skelter in a summer swelter We hid our Flyers in a fallout shelter Boxes piled high and falling fast They landed foul on fake Lionel grass HO gauge tried for a forward pass With Lionel on the sidelines in a cast Now the half-time air was sweet perfume While N gauge played a marching tune 2-railers all got up to dance Oh but we never got the chance 'Cause 3-railers tried to take the field Pre war tinplate refused to yield Do you recall what was revealed The day A.C. Gilbert died We started singing So, bye-bye, Mr. American Flyer The well of S-gauge couldn't have run much drier Put my trains away in a cardboard box And them good old boys were drinkin' single malt scotch Singin' this'll be the day that I die This'll be the day that I die Oh, and there we were, all in one redoubt A generation lost on a puny layout With no time left to start again So come on, 2-rail, be nimble, 2-rail be quick 2-rail sat on a candlestick 'Cause Lionel is the devil's only friend Oh, and as I watched him on the stage My hands were clenched in fists of rage No HO angel born in Hell Could break Lionel's spell And as flames climbed high into the night To light the sacrificial rite I saw Lionel laughing with delight The day A.C. Gilbert died 3-railers were singing So, bye-bye, Mr. American Flyer The well of S-gauge couldn't have run much drier Put my trains away in a cardboard box And them good old boys were drinkin' single malt scotch Singin' this'll be the day that I die This'll be the day that I die I met a girl who sang the blues And I asked her for some happy news But she just smiled and turned and ran I went down to the sacred hobby store Where I'd bought my Flyer years before But the man there said the Flyers would never run again And in the streets the children screamed 2-rail lovers cried, and the modelers dreamed But not a word was spoken The engine bells all were broken And the three rails I detest most That outer, inner and center post They burned out prototypicality just like toast The day A.C. Gilbert died 3-railers were singin' So, bye-bye, Mr. American Flyer The well of S-gauge couldn't have run much drier Put my trains away in a cardboard box And them good old boys were drinkin' single malt scotch Singin' this'll be the day that I die This'll be the day that I die So, bye-bye, Miss American Flyer The well of S-gauge couldn't have run much drier Put my trains away in a cardboard box And them good old boys were drinkin' single malt scotch Singin' this'll be the day that I die (slowly) .and they were singin' Bye-bye, Mr. American Flyer The well of S-gauge couldn't have run much drier Put my trains away in a cardboard box And them good old boys were drinkin' single malt scotch Singing this'll be the day that I die [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62777	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Grease on track.

It came off the plastic car and tender wheels. Well known problem with older Flyer wheels - the mold release agent comes out of the plastic and finds its way onto the track. Alistair On Mon 03/01/11 4:53 AM , "May" mammac40@... sent: Every Wed and sat, my husband clean the tracks of our lil railraod empire. This morning when he went to run the trains on the one track, the engine was spinning it's wheels. When he went to look to see what was the matter, he discovered one rail was cover black goop as he called it. He re-cleaned the track and the engine was running fine. When he went to show some friends his handywork, again it was covered with the black stuff. Thoughts as to where this stuff came from as it's only on rail. ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20Mystery%20Grease%20on%20track. [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvMHBocWp2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2Mjc2MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTM5OTc4MzE-?act=reply&messageNum=62763 [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/62763;_ylc=X3oDMTM0NGRuZGQ5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2Mjc2MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTM5OTc4MzEEdHBjSWQDNjI3NjM- [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62778	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed....

Hi Clay, I will look at mine and see what I can come up with. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: clayton <uvl97222@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 2, 2011 12:49 pm Subject: [S-Trains] A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed.... Hello group, and happy new year. I picked up a #429 A.F. it was not working, and the E unite was gone. Here is where I could use the help from the group. I have the E unit now ready to go in, but the wires are gone. I am looking for a wiring diagram to hook it up. I made a stab at it, and it works, but I would like to see the true way this was wire. Can some one help me with a link, or a diagram? Clayton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62779	From: May Cunningham	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Grease on track.

Rick, you may have hit the nail on the head.  He has been putting a lot in his 290 lately.  Thanks! --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mystery Grease on track. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 8:15 PM   I had a slight problem with my train under the tree this past Christmas, I believe my track was oily/dirty due to me over-filling the smoke unit, or I have a leaking unit. - rick On Jan 2, 2011, at 11:23 AM, May wrote: > Every Wed and sat, my husband clean the tracks of our lil railraod empire. This morning when he went to run the trains on the one track, the engine was spinning it's wheels. When he went to look to see what was the matter, he discovered one rail was cover black goop as he called it. He re-cleaned the track and the engine was running fine. When he went to show some friends his handywork, again it was covered with the black stuff. Thoughts as to where this stuff came from as it's only on rail. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62780	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed....

That would be great if you would do that for me.   Clayton --- On Sun, 1/2/11, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote: From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> Subject: [S-Trains] A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed.... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 3:25 PM   Hi Clay, I will look at mine and see what I can come up with. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: clayton <uvl97222@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 2, 2011 12:49 pm Subject: [S-Trains] A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed.... Hello group, and happy new year. I picked up a #429 A.F. it was not working, and the E unite was gone. Here is where I could use the help from the group. I have the E unit now ready to go in, but the wires are gone. I am looking for a wiring diagram to hook it up. I made a stab at it, and it works, but I would like to see the true way this was wire. Can some one help me with a link, or a diagram? Clayton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62781	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Grease on track.

When I was cleaning the tender wheels, I noticed smoke fluid on the chassis, I figured I over-filled my 21085. I hope it isn't leaking ...... I had just gotten the loco. Love the ol' white sock for cleaning my SHS small loop of track! - rick On Jan 2, 2011, at 4:23 PM, May Cunningham wrote: > Rick, you may have hit the nail on the head. He has been putting a lot in his 290 lately. Thanks! > > --- On Sun, 1/2/11, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: > > From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mystery Grease on track. > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 8:15 PM > > > > I had a slight problem with my train under the tree this past Christmas, > I believe my track was oily/dirty due to me over-filling the smoke unit, > or I have a leaking unit. > > - rick > > On Jan 2, 2011, at 11:23 AM, May wrote: > > > Every Wed and sat, my husband clean the tracks of our lil railraod empire. This morning when he went to run the trains on the one track, the engine was spinning it's wheels. When he went to look to see what was the matter, he discovered one rail was cover black goop as he called it. He re-cleaned the track and the engine was running fine. When he went to show some friends his handywork, again it was covered with the black stuff. Thoughts as to where this stuff came from as it's only on rail. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62782	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: The Big Boy through my double crossover video

Hi Carl, I sent your video out to some O gauge friends. One wanted to know who made the engine and track. I think the engine is a Lionel and you made you own track? Or could it be AM. Thanks, nice video. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62783	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: The Big Boy through my double crossover video

Mike, The track is AM flextrack and AM turnouts. The crossover is bashed from AM turnouts. You are right the loco is Lionel/AF BigBoy. Thanks, Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 8:35 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Big Boy through my double crossover video Hi Carl, I sent your video out to some O gauge friends. One wanted to know who made the engine and track. I think the engine is a Lionel and you made you own track? Or could it be AM. Thanks, nice video. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62784	From: eric	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Is the Chat website down?

The link under myflyertrains no longer works. In fact the whole http://myflyertrains.org is not working for me. Did it move and I missed it? I also tried the same link from Carl's web and same result of course. Eric Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62785	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: The Big Boy through my double crossover video

THanks Carl, as I will let my O gauge friend know. mike From: carl@... Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 8:52 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] The Big Boy through my double crossover video Mike, The track is AM flextrack and AM turnouts. The crossover is bashed from AM turnouts. You are right the loco is Lionel/AF BigBoy. Thanks, Carl -----Original Message----- From: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 8:35 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Big Boy through my double crossover video Hi Carl, I sent your video out to some O gauge friends. One wanted to know who made the engine and track. I think the engine is a Lionel and you made you own track? Or could it be AM. Thanks, nice video. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62786	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/2/2011
Subject: Re: The Big Boy through my double crossover video

Thanks Carl, I did enjoy it. Did you hand-lay that track? Happy New Year, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of carl@... Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 5:28 PM To: STrains Subject: [S-Trains] The Big Boy through my double crossover video Here is a link to a video of my Big Boy and the double crossover. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=O8-BvUBsj-4 Enjoy, Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62787	From: johntech	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: Is the Chat website down?

The link works for me Eric ----- Original Message ----- From: "eric" <ericsinhere@...> To: <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 8:11 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Is the Chat website down? > The link under myflyertrains no longer works. In fact the whole > http://myflyertrains.org is not working for me. Did it move and I missed > it? I also tried the same link from Carl's web and same result of course. > > Eric > Kenmore, Wa. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62788	From: Robert	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids

Is this the same Bob Board who is affiliated with the USS Saint Paul Association?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62789	From: eric	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: WARNING: S Stuff for sale! round 2.

WARNING: S Stuff for sale! I've started a little house cleaning. Actually Trainroom cleaning. Due to > being swamped at work I have not had much train time this year but now have had > a couple of weeks off and I can cleanup and run some trains. My layout is a > little over 12 x 12 and I have enough stuff on it to fill all the track > solid with trains not to mention all the bare spaces between with diecast > cars. > Back to the cleanup, here are the items I still need to thin out: MAKE ME AN OFFER! 1: American models articulated Piggyback flatcars with trailers (5 unit set) it is slightly used but appears in excellent condition and is all there as best I can tell. It is in its original box with foam inserts. $95 shipping included to USA 48. 2 of these just went on ebay for $122 and $106 plus shipping. 5. American models GP35, Burlington Northern. This is used but in excellent shape. It is also AC highrail but I think I also MAY have the wheel sets to make it scale. $140 shipping included to USA 48. 6. I have a number of reverse unit PCBs taken out of S helper and American models engines as well as the screw on Knuckle attachment plates from the SW9's and at least 1 SW1. $20 for a set. 7. I still have a bunch (over300) 1/64 autos for sale but will take some pictures and relist. Thanks for reading!! Cash, Check, M.O., Paypal all work. Eric Reis Kenmore, (Seattle), WA. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62790	From: Martin	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: 2010 - Convention Car update

I posted an update on the 2010 Convention car in the files section for the Pines & Prairies S-Scale Workshop Marty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62791	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: Is the Chat website down?

The site went down at approx 10:05 Central Time Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62792	From: Robert	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Grease on track.

Plastic wheels are a problem and to a certain degree any wheels are. A commercially available household cleaner called GOO-GONE will clean the mess.It just involves a little elbow grease and time. I buy it at safeway

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62793	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed....

FYI group.  I have a copy of the Train Collectctors Encyclopedia this book has wiring diagrams, but they are STD. gauge Lionel with Flyer too. There is no O gauge trains. If you need some thing - ask me off the list.  Clayton --- On Sun, 1/2/11, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed.... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 5:15 PM   That would be great if you would do that for me.   Clayton --- On Sun, 1/2/11, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote: From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> Subject: [S-Trains] A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed.... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 3:25 PM   Hi Clay, I will look at mine and see what I can come up with. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: clayton <uvl97222@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 2, 2011 12:49 pm Subject: [S-Trains] A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed.... Hello group, and happy new year. I picked up a #429 A.F. it was not working, and the E unite was gone. Here is where I could use the help from the group. I have the E unit now ready to go in, but the wires are gone. I am looking for a wiring diagram to hook it up. I made a stab at it, and it works, but I would like to see the true way this was wire. Can some one help me with a link, or a diagram? Clayton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62794	From: Havingfun	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: The Big Boy through my double crossover video

Excellent video with neat music! I would have enjoyed hearing the bell and whistle. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Thanks Carl, I did enjoy it. Did you hand-lay that track? > > Happy New Year, > Bill > > Reply from Bill Porter > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of carl@... > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 5:28 PM > To: STrains > Subject: [S-Trains] The Big Boy through my double crossover video > > > Here is a link to a video of my Big Boy and the double crossover. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=O8-BvUBsj-4 > > Enjoy, > Carl >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62795	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: (no subject)

THAT IS DUMB.......Not only does it Stink ...But it is also very EXPLOSIVE.....WD 40 is HIGHLY explosive and could blow an Engine apart ...some Mechanics use it as Starting fluid ....but most of the Rednecks use it for their potatoe Cannons....Stay away from it ... HAVING read all of the similar posts, I took an old smoking loco. out to the back yard and tried to set the smoke unit on fire, tried to blow it up. etc using several flammable liquids. The only success I had is filling the smoke unit full to the brim and setting it on fire at the stack. Note the unit was tight and not leaking fluid out the bottom. My reason for doing this ?? For year I have used Denatured Alcohol to thin smoke fluid, To fill the smoke unit and let it set over night to clean the residue from the smoke unit. Not one POP or open flame in 50+ years . I DO NOT recommend any one doing this ( disclaimer ) Just my experience. PS. Hair spray works better for potato( w ) guns, Carbide for cannons. Jerry HR 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d21ef255beb878c3m06duc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62796	From: Brady	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: Smoke fluids

> THAT IS DUMB.......Not only does it Stink ...But it is also very > EXPLOSIVE.....WD 40 is HIGHLY explosive and could blow an Engine apart ...some > Mechanics use it as Starting fluid ....but most of the Rednecks use it for their > potatoe Cannons....Stay away from it ... What do the rest of the "Rednecks" use in their potato(e) cannons?? Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62797	From: Michael	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: dcc system

I have an old AF set that my wife had gotten as a kid. I have just started building a track and while I am having fun with one enngine I was wondering about adding a second train. The engine I have is the original one from about 1960 (# 21160). Can two trains run on a single transformer or will a DCC system need to be added and can I add it to this engine? Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62798	From: Carey Probst	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: dcc system

Such simple questions, such long and complicated answers. Can 2 trains run on a single transformer? Yes, maybe, but the transformer has to be powerful enough for multiple engines and either the trains are on the same track going the same way or the transformer has multiple controllers and the track is wired for multiple train operation. By default AF trains are AC and often run at very different speeds so crashes on the same track are a problem. DCC is not needed unless you want independent control of the trains without special wiring on the track. For easier and better control you can replace the multi-step reverse units with a DC rectifier and run on DC. This still leaves the same issue as to speed and direction as AC but easier to control. DCC will usually not work with AF motors because of current draw requirements but there are units that may. For DCC you may want to replace the motors with can type motors which draw significantly less current. The AF purists will probably jump all over me for suggesting changing the motors or reverse units because it affects the value since they are no longer original. My approach has been to convert all of mine to DC and keep the old reverse units should I ever decide to sell them. Actually should my kids decide to sell them, I never will. There are a lot of good sites and books on wiring AF layouts and web sites with instructions on converting to DC or DCC if desired. For me, I am happy with DC and AF motors but when I can start building a real layout that may change. All depends on where we end up in our retirement home and what it has. Current house has no place for a layout and we plan to be out by summer if we can find the right place. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 1/3/2011 12:27 PM, Michael wrote: > > I have an old AF set that my wife had gotten as a kid. I have just > started building a track and while I am having fun with one enngine I > was wondering about adding a second train. The engine I have is the > original one from about 1960 (# 21160). Can two trains run on a single > transformer or will a DCC system need to be added and can I add it to > this engine? Thanks > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62799	From: rick gough	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Grease on track.

Some types of smoke fluid may tend to disolve old pullmor drivers? ie.. Black goop..... rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62800	From: nk07083	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Why Flyer?

Hello Group-This is only my second post since joining the Group but I follow the postings everyday-what has always amazed me is the passion that members of this Group continue to express when talking about Flyer Trains-what is it about American Flyer that keeps all of you going? My first train set way back in 1953 was a Flyer set my grandmother gave me for Christmas. growing up I eventually switched to Lionel and then to HO scale despite switching scales and manufactures I still am drawn to Flyer-give me some reasons to come full circle and return to my original train roots. I want to feel passion again with trains and not a slave to detail and rivets. Without being too long winded if I can ask one more question it would be most appreciated-can Lionel accessories be made to work with Flyer and if so can someone suggest some of the accessories that would look right on a Flyer layout. Thanks you all for your time and look forward to hearing from the Group. Ed Barry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62801	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: Why Flyer?

On 1/3/2011 3:00 PM, nk07083 wrote: > what is it about American Flyer that keeps all of you going? My > first train set way back in 1953 was a Flyer set my grandmother gave me > for Christmas. growing up I eventually switched to Lionel and then to HO My first train set was AF way back in 1952 when I was about six years old. Late in the '70's, long after AC Gilbert went under, I dabbled in HO and have a huge box full of HO stuff as well. But I got interested in the AF stuff again and have added quite a few pieces from eBay and other sources. I guess I just like the idea that it was the most realistic back then and it's part of my childhood. I'm working on making space to set up a permanent layout and just enjoy the "old-fashioned" toys from my youth. I even have an original 5' X 9' #300 store display that my dad bought around Christmas of 1954. If I can make room, I want to incorporate that into my layout without degrading too much from it's originality. Don't get me wrong, I teach computer and networking classes at the local community college and appreciate all of the technology that has evolved since my childhood. There were a number of reproductions from MTH and Lionel that work well with AF. I have a few of those accessories but prefer the simplicity of the original stuff as well. There is a lot of new stuff and new technology as well but I just like trying to restore and make the old stuff work the way it did 58 years ago. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62802	From: Tony Gervasio	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Why Flyer?

I came into the American Flyer late in the game, when I got my first AF All Aboard set in 1965.  I just fell in love with American Flyer trains, the two rail track and the trains themselves.  I had a Lionel too at the time, but Lionel was well into its decline in the mid sixties in quality, and although the pikemaster phase of AF wasn't much better,  I found myself intrigued with the line of S scale trains.  I sought out a lot of postwar AF, which could be found pretty easily in the late sixties and early seventies, and at a fair price still.  When ebay first came on the scene it was like hitting the jackpot.  I couldn't believe some of the trains I was finding and the prices I was paying for them.  It was Nirvana! Now with American Models and Showcase trains on the scene, I love S gauge even more than before.  And AF postwar still remains some of my favorite trains in the collection. Tony [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62803	From: rick gough	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: Why Flyer?

A reason to go back to Gilbert? You shouldn't need one .... just follow your hart. On the layout I'v put together over the last 3 years since getting back into it, I'm all about accessories and I have found the origional Lionel 182 crane to work so well I have two working opposite each other with long remotes; in the same area but closer to operator is the 2-button Gilbert crane. Aside from that I just have a lionel Gabe lamplighter, which I feel works the way the Gilbert origional should have with Gabe actually climbing and turning on the lights. Oh yes I just got a Lionel Talking Station with digital sound to use far across the layout where access is difficult ... it is pretty much an exact duplicate of the origional Mystic Station. Aside from those, Lionel reproduced most of the Gilbert accessories and they work equally well with O and S. However I find that many of the true Lionel accessories seem just too big to fit with S and I will be interested to hear other's feedback on this. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62804	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: Is the Chat website down?

Ok, You may have caught me doing some maintenance today. If the site was down, it wasn't for long. In fact, there have been 76 visitors so far today. And I thought no one was looking. ;-) All is well now Thanks for using MyFlyerTrains.org! Chuck Harrington On Jan 2, 2011, at 11:12 PM, Brady Burdge wrote: > The site went down at approx 10:05 Central Time > > Brady Burdge > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62805	From: May Cunningham	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Grease on track.

We did check the rubber tires, and they seem to be ok.  These btw are brand new and have only been on a few weeks. --- On Mon, 1/3/11, rick gough <racin510@...> wrote: From: rick gough <racin510@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mystery Grease on track. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 9:19 PM   Some types of smoke fluid may tend to disolve old pullmor drivers? ie.. Black goop..... rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62806	From: eric	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: Is the Chat website down?

Hi Chuck: interesting, I have not been able to get into chat either of the last 2 weeks at 5 PM (pacific) . I got the standard "Website may be down, bla bla" error. The basic myflyertrains website would not work either. same both weeks, same for 2 computers. I forgot to check between. This morning I got an email saying It was working and I tried it and sure enough I gort right in to the chat login page. I was thinking something wierd in Norton 2011 but I did not change anything this morning. I always enjoy your website and its incredible wealth of information. Thanks, eric On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...>wrote: > > > Ok, > > You may have caught me doing some maintenance today. If the site was down, > it wasn't for long. > > In fact, there have been 76 visitors so far today. > > And I thought no one was looking. ;-) > > All is well now > > Thanks for using MyFlyerTrains.org! > > Chuck Harrington > > > On Jan 2, 2011, at 11:12 PM, Brady Burdge wrote: > > > The site went down at approx 10:05 Central Time > > > > Brady Burdge > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62807	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: Why Flyer?

As a kid I had Marx O gauge and HO. When I met my wife I discovered her childhood Flyer in her parents basement. A few years went by and my wife liked N and I liked S, but we decided to sell it all and go with O gauge because it was more kid-friendly than N, and in the mid 1980's there was more product available in O than in S. 25 years later and I'm back in S. The folks are friendly, the trains are better proportioned and they look better with my Plasticville. As for suitable Lionel accessories, the triple-action crane comes to mind. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62808	From: Robert	Date: 1/3/2011
Subject: Re: Why Flyer?

Though I like Flyer very much I prefer scale hence my reluctance to convert original Flyer to scale. Back in June I suffered 3 heart attacks in 5 days and ended up in the Denver VA hospital. When I got home on Father's day i began the process to apply for 100% VA disability based on exposure to Agent Orange. Recently the VA contacted me via snail mail telling me that it is easier to get 100% based o9n Agent Orange AND that they would go back to 1985. That would mean my wife and I could move to a better locale but more important we could build in addition to a nice home a humongous train room and fill it with every train either of us have ever wanted...my wife loves trains as much as I do.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62809	From: Ray Puls	Date: 1/4/2011
Subject: dcc system

Hi Michael, You have received some credible answers to your question and I would like to add one thought. You do not say if you would desire running both trains on the same loop of track or would you have two separate loops. If  what you would like to do is run your trains together there is the option of using the TMCC or Legacy system made by Lionel. If you want to run on separate tracks an additional transformer or a dual control transformer is all you need. If you would be interested in TMCC or  Legacy you can look at some websites [coilcouplers.com, Electric Railroad,  Digital Dynamics, and  the Lionel website] all have a lot of information.  I have found the people at Electric RR and Digital Dynamics to be especially helpful if you have questions. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62810	From: Mike Andrzejewski	Date: 1/4/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre?

If anyone is interested, for today only, there is a refurbished DVD player for $36 dollars with shipping on the midnightbox.com deal of the day site. http://www.midnightbox.com/ Mike Andrzejewski ________________________________ From: Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, December 14, 2010 10:56:38 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Drive-in Theatre? A while back someone mentioned that you could make a drive-in theatre on a lay-out by using a portable DVD player. Has anyone done this? If so, how did you mount the DVD player, and is there a brand that might work better than others? As I recall I think it was a 7" that was suggested. Any thoughts or pictures that could be shared would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike Leahy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62811	From: Monte	Date: 1/4/2011
Subject: Re: Why Flyer?

- Almost every Lionel accessory can work with Flyer. I have more Lionel accessories than many of my Lionel friends. Even ones with special cars can be used. I built a rack in a Flyer gondola for the culverts used in the Lionel loader and unloader and another on a Flyer flatcar for use with the Lionel forklift. Lionel eve made Flyer TTUX spine cars to go with their intermodal crane. What looks best? All of the Lionel accessories are big, but I don't worry about it. They add to the fun. Lionel accessories run on a variety of voltages, so just match the voltage to the accessory. -- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "nk07083" <barry339@...> wrote: >Without being too long winded if I can ask one more question it would be most appreciated-can Lionel accessories be made to work with Flyer and if so can someone suggest some of the accessories that would look right on a Flyer layout. Thanks you all for your time and look forward to hearing from the Group. > > Ed Barry >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62812	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/4/2011
Subject: Re: Why Flyer?

As most of you know, my first train set was a Marx M-1000 articulated set. Unfortunately, I never really liked this set because it was 3-rail and not very realistic. Two older neighbor brothers had American Flyer, which I coveted because of its 2-rails and realism. Therefore, I was really thrilled when one Christmas my father purchased these trains for me when the neighbor boys decided to go into HO. My first AF consisted of a 1947 312 SIT with green passenger cars, including the baggage unloader car, a whistling billboard, a pair of 740 switches, and a Sam the Semaphore Man. Later, I added the 1955 Santa Fe Alco PA A-B-A work train, a 30B transformer, and a set of SP passenger cars. As I tell all of my O gauge friends, I started with 3-rail but switched to American Flyer because I grew up and no longer needed that center "training" rail. When I went off to college, the trains were packed away. In graduate school in the midwest I bought an N scale layout, but never enjoyed it because it was too small and there was no way I could back even a small train through the ladder yard. So, when I got to the West Coast I broke out my old American Flyer, began repairing them (and a lot more AFs for a Lionel Service Station, but that's another story), and this led me to establishing my eventual retirement business of AF parts and repairs. I am an accessory junkie and own just about every AF accessory, including the Car Washer. Gilbert made some of the greatest accessories ever. Although I still do not have my own layout, I was one of five people wh started the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers, which now consists of 7 Divisions from Delaware to North Florida (www.trainweb.org/acsg). At our shows (as you can see on the website), we also incroporate a lot of Lionel and old K-Line accessories. I especially like the K-Line construction accessories (Excavator, Scraper, and Dump Truck) and several Lionel accessories (e.g., Shooting Gallery, Operating Oil Derrick, playgrounds, swing set, mini golf, tug-of-war, mailman and dogs). I have also converted a Lionel Coal Ramp to S gauge. Especially of note is that most of the ceramic village houses and operating accessories are very close to S scale (except for the figures; even wonder how those figures get inside those buildings?). These building have brought many women and wives to enjoy model railroading. At shows, we exhibit a display of stacked flatcars, ranging from Z to G. As we point out, S is halfway between N and G and halfway between O and HO, making it the perfect size in that it is big enough to incorporate all of the neat features (e.g., smoke, sound, accessories), but not S big that it needs a separate building or so small that kids cannot play with it. S is the perfect scale. Joe  Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer ###################Authorized Lionel Service Center#################### ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@....###########.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62813	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 1/4/2011
Subject: Re: Why Flyer?

DO NOT! Repeat, DO NOT get started again with Flyer without first forming a support group! It will suck you in and swallow you!! I too sold my American Flyer when I was in high school, in order to change to HO where you could actually build kits and lay a lot of track, and have reasonably inexpensive switches!! But much later in life, when eBay came along, I felt a hankering to get my old Flyer back. In short, I did get it back. But that was only the start. In that era, it was quite possible to buy well and sell well, and make a profit (i.e., reduce the cost of what you kept). So I bought a few more, and then some O gauge prewar, and then even a few standard gauge. I never got around to building a layout, but have a bunch on the wall (which I really enjoy). But there is still more in the garage, languishing in boxes. In time, I realized that I had unwittingly become something of an accumulator! But unfortunately, there is no American Flyer Anonymous to help with the addiction to the two-rail realism of S-gauge Flyer. So, beware!! It may be habit forming. Enter the American Flyer domain with caution. And, remember that support group! Oh, ...wait..., this IS a support group, ...and it doesn't particularly help with the desire to have more! :-) I always liked - but did not acquire - the L coal loader with its chain of scoops, ...and that cool bascule bridge. Ooooh, ...bad line of thought, here. Don't let me keep thinking along these lines......... In any case, welcome to the thread!! JimA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62814	From: michael prell	Date: 1/4/2011
Subject: Re: Why Flyer?

I guess that "What Goe"S" Around, Come"S" Around". Happy New Year, Fellow Babies! Mike-"S'-urviving in "S"-yracuse-Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Wed, 2/3/10, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: From: Brady Burdge <brady@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Why Flyer? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 11:00 PM As a kid I had Marx O gauge and HO. When I met my wife I discovered her childhood Flyer in her parents basement. A few years went by and my wife liked N and I liked S, but we decided to sell it all and go with O gauge because it was more kid-friendly than N, and in the mid 1980's there was more product available in O than in S. 25 years later and I'm back in S. The folks are friendly, the trains are better proportioned and they look better with my Plasticville. As for suitable Lionel accessories, the triple-action crane comes to mind. Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62815	From: Robert	Date: 1/4/2011
Subject: Re: Why Flyer?

Oh do I ever know that hindsight is 20/20 lol. I graduated from High school in June of 67. Since I lived in Anaconda, Montana at the time about the only place to get a reasonably good paying job was the Anaconda Copper Company smelter or take a daily bus both ways to Butte and work in the mines. After I had applied and been accepted to work on the smelter the company went on strike. Getting angered at this move in retaliation I joined the Navy. Shortly before leaving I boxed up all my Flyer stuff and sold it all for $50.00 there were 7 trains 5 of which were steam powered and the other 2 were Northern Pacific Passenger trains with PA locomotives. and yes, I know what those are worth. I must have had close to a scale mile of track and close to 100 freight cars. As I recall I had about 8 or 10 switches and a humongous transformer...probably the largest they made at the time.I do remember that the lady who bought them wanted to offer more but my grandmother said no $50.00 was fine. I believe I mentioned before that I was raised by my grandparents. After the lady left I told my grandmother I could have used the extra money at Boot Camp but as it turned out we were only allowed $10.00 in our pocket at a time anything extra was put in a savings account for us. In a way it's probably a good thing that I don't still have those original Flyer trains cause someone would probably shoot me for converting them to scale or semi-scale.Right now the only Flyer stuff I want are some of the new U-33C's that seem to be relatively easy to convert to scale or in the least to run on scale track. Other than that since I prefer scale then I can use American Models locomotives and cars and those from S Helper Service. About 20 years ago I had a brass SW-1200. Anybody know where I might find one or a set of GP 38-2's? American Models GP-9 is fairly easy to convert to a GP-7 and S Helper is bringing back their F-units. I know that American Models has an FP-7 painted for NP but the NP only had 2 of those.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62816	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/4/2011
Subject: Something wrong?

In the past two months, several posts I made to the S Trains Yahoo group have failed to appear. This is not a problem with the other Yahoo groups I post to. Yesterday I posted a message to "Why Flyer?" and it seems again to have vanished into the ether. Anyone else having this ongoing problem? Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62817	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/4/2011
Subject: Re: Why Flyer?

Because, according to some, Lionel is the Antichrist. - John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62818	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/4/2011
Subject: Re: Why Flyer?

On 1/4/2011 4:02 PM, Robert wrote: > > Oh do I ever know that hindsight is 20/20 lol. I graduated from High > school in June of 67. Since I lived in Anaconda, Montana at the time > about the only place to get a reasonably good paying job was the > Anaconda Copper Company smelter or take a daily bus both ways to Butte > and work in the mines. After I had applied and been accepted to work on > the smelter the company went on strike. Getting angered at this move in > retaliation I joined the Navy. My dad worked for Phelps Dodge Copper Company in Morenci AZ for most of his life. Because trains were a big part of the copper mining operation in an open pit mine, he loved trains. I think the only reason he bought them for me was so he could play with them too! From the time I was six in 1952 until about my senior year in high school, 1964, he always bought me another set of AF trains for Christmas and often birthdays too. He also bought me Erector sets as well. I still have all of those trains and think of him often when playing with them. I've picked up maybe a dozen more locomotives and diesels on eBay and extra rolling stock. The last time I looked, I had maybe 25 complete sets of trains as well as the display he bought for me (him?). I just wish I had the room to build a huge layout and run all of them at once. Right now, most of them are in a huge display case that I built a few years back. I'm sure he would have been proud to see that I've kept all of them and even added more. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62819	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/4/2011
Subject: AM uncouplers

is anyone using AM uncouplers with AM track? Do they work well all the time or are they hit and miss at times. the reason I ask, is I am using them with Classic Trains Track, as their rail is code 172 and AM is Code 148. I am thinking that the Classic Trains track is just a bit higher and that might be why they are hit and miss. they work on most of my cars, but a few they do not. Sometimes,they will open a coupler by itself meaning one car, but put it with two cars, neither open. Maybe too much weight? Thanks. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62820	From: Dennis Back	Date: 1/4/2011
Subject: Re: Something wrong?

Yesterday I posted a message to "Why Flyer?" and it seems again to have vanished into the ether.Anyone else having this ongoing problem?Stumpy in Appalachia ------------------------------------- Hi Stumpy, I posted something Jan. 1, and it showed up in MY email on Jan. 3 !!!  This is a yahoo group going to MY yahoo email.  I know this went out to the group right away, because the day I wrote the email I got a nasty email from the usual, offline, nasty emailer.  First time I've gotten an email from him, but I've read about him.  ;-) Dennis So.FL. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62821	From: Thorinn Marty	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Shaping a brass roof

Good morning, I am assembling a brass steeplecab kit. All of the pieces come flat. The roof consists of a piece of 0.040" thick brass. (Wire gauge 19.) I am supposed to curve it to create a standard boxcab roof: flat with curves only from side-to-side. The radius at the edge is about 1/4 inch and the rest is a wide, gentle curve. I just shaped the first roof for my steeplecab fleet. It was not fun and I am not trilled with the results. (Fortunately a wooden pantograph platform will cover most of the mess.) The piece is too wide for my bending brake. My hands are not strong enough to shape this 0.040 or 19 gauge brass sheet. It is too slippery for my vice to hold with a rod plus I am trying to not damage the rivet detail. Do I need a specialty tool? This one is small at only 3 1/2 inches in length. I plan to build some big boxcabs, starting with a NYNH&H EF-3b. These will be the same width but much longer. I know these lists includes some masters of brass. How do you shape such things? Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62822	From: Michael.McConnell	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Why Flyer?

Born in early December in 1955, my first Christmas had a 375 T&P running under the tree. American Flyer has been a part of my Christmas experience ever since, and I have many fond memories of playing with "my" trains on Christmas day (I say "mine" since we had to eventually get a second train, a 293, so I could play along with my Dad). Today, I can still remember looking through Gilbert catalogs and wishing for the many wonderful train sets.pictured in them. I believe that is the driving force in my collecting... fulfilling those long ago wishes, and having the sounds and smells of working engines bring back all those memories. Michael 10a. Why Flyer? Posted by: "nk07083" barry339@... nk07083 Date: Mon Jan 3, 2011 2:23 pm ((PST)) Hello Group-This is only my second post since joining the Group but I follow the postings everyday-what has always amazed me is the passion that members of this Group continue to express when talking about Flyer Trains-what is it about American Flyer that keeps all of you going? My first train set way back in 1953 was a Flyer set my grandmother gave me for Christmas. growing up I eventually switched to Lionel and then to HO scale despite switching scales and manufactures I still am drawn to Flyer-give me some reasons to come full circle and return to my original train roots. I want to feel passion again with trains and not a slave to detail and rivets. Without being too long winded if I can ask one more question it would be most appreciated-can Lionel accessories be made to work with Flyer and if so can someone suggest some of the accessories that would look right on a Flyer layout. Thanks you all for your time and look forward to hearing from the Group. Ed Barry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62823	From: Monte	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Switching layout

A track plan of my portable switching layout has been placed in files under IMG.pdf, Calabash Terminal Rail Road. Using a switch list, it takes me about 30 minutes to switch 6 or 7 cars. Monte

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62824	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Something wrong?

Hi Stumpy: Are there only a few of your replies that you haven't seen, or are all of your replies invisible? I have never seen any of my replies to either the S-Scale or S-Trains group, but they do get there since I have seen several replies to my comments with my original comment. I think that it is the server I use (Mozilla Thunderbird) and Yahoo that tend not to be compatible (or something)!! Anyhow, there is some 'electronic' or incompatibility reason that you don't see your own posts. anyone have any ideas? Tx Rance Velapoldi (Norway) ps it might be because its a foreign country for me:-) ! On 1/4/2011 11:58 PM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > > In the past two months, several posts I made to the S Trains Yahoo > group have failed to appear. This is not a problem with the other > Yahoo groups I post to. Yesterday I posted a message to "Why Flyer?" > and it seems again to have vanished into the ether. > Anyone else having this ongoing problem? > Stumpy in Appalachia > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62825	From: michael prell	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Something wrong?

Dennis, The best way to deal with Mr. P. is to ignore him. It drives him nuts, not that he's not already  there. But if you sometimes enjoy screwing with the mind of the warped, have fun. I posted a response to the death of one of our contributors last year, but failed to mention something that P or sometimes Mr. C felt that I should have. One would have thought that I'd escaped Nuremburg's War Crimes Trials. Anyway, Take care. Mike Prell   Break out the Katana's, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Tue, 1/4/11, Dennis Back <backden@...> wrote: From: Dennis Back <backden@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Something wrong? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 10:21 PM   Yesterday I posted a message to "Why Flyer?" and it seems again to have vanished into the ether.Anyone else having this ongoing problem?Stumpy in Appalachia ------------------------------------- Hi Stumpy, I posted something Jan. 1, and it showed up in MY email on Jan. 3 !!!  This is a yahoo group going to MY yahoo email.  I know this went out to the group right away, because the day I wrote the email I got a nasty email from the usual, offline, nasty emailer.  First time I've gotten an email from him, but I've read about him.  ;-) Dennis So.FL. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62826	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Why Flyer?

Good luck in your dealings with the VA and thanks for your service to our country. I hope 2011 proves to be a healthier year for you! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert" <danceswithwolves49@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 3, 2011 9:49:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Why Flyer? Though I like Flyer very much I prefer scale hence my reluctance to convert original Flyer to scale. Back in June I suffered 3 heart attacks in 5 days and ended up in the Denver VA hospital. When I got home on Father's day i began the process to apply for 100% VA disability based on exposure to Agent Orange. Recently the VA contacted me via snail mail telling me that it is easier to get 100% based o9n Agent Orange AND that they would go back to 1985. That would mean my wife and I could move to a better locale but more important we could build in addition to a nice home a humongous train room and fill it with every train either of us have ever wanted...my wife loves trains as much as I do. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62827	From: Bob Groh	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Switching layout

Very nice! Any more details available? Maybe I missed prior postings (if so, my bad) but I would love to see some dimensions, switch sizes, etc. Might be an ideal subject for my first layout in 5 jillion years! Bob Groh Blue Springs, Missouri On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Monte <monteheppe@...> wrote: > > > A track plan of my portable switching layout has been placed in files under > IMG.pdf, Calabash Terminal Rail Road. Using a switch list, it takes me about > 30 minutes to switch 6 or 7 cars. > > Monte > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62828	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Switching layout

That looks challenging, Monte. What sort of track did you use? Do you have some photos? What methods do you use to prepare the switch lists? Do you have a card and waybill system? What equipment do you run? Tell us more - all at once on in a series of notes. You have found a way to have fun with the trains and I want to know more about it. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Monte Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:54 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Switching layout A track plan of my portable switching layout has been placed in files under IMG.pdf, Calabash Terminal Rail Road. Using a switch list, it takes me about 30 minutes to switch 6 or 7 cars. Monte

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62829	From: Robert	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Something wrong?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: > > Dennis, > The best way to deal with Mr. P. is to ignore him. It drives him nuts, not that he's not already  there. But if you sometimes enjoy screwing with the mind of the warped, have fun. > I posted a response to the death of one of our contributors last year, but failed to mention something that P or sometimes Mr. C felt that I should have. One would have thought that I'd escaped Nuremburg's War Crimes Trials. > Anyway, Take care. > Mike Prell Must be the same guy that sent me a nasty gram the other day after my post about using trumpet oil for smoke fluid back in the 60's. H went off on a tangent and read me the riot act about something that was totally different than what I said. He may not have a screw loose but he definitely has a few that are torqued a bit too tight. Bob in Butte > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62830	From: Robert	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Switching layout

I went to files and looked but could not find it

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62831	From: aztecfan	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: 3 kits I might offer for sale in the future

I up loaded pictures under Kit Bashing Jim Sleeth.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62832	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Ordering SHS through local train shop

I emailed my local train store today to order a box of SHS track, they have ordered track for me before. I got this response: "Walthers' is phasing them out and that part number has already been taken out off the computer." Bummer. I have no problem ordering direct from SHS but I've always liked to give the local shop a little biz. Oh well. Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62833	From: aztecfan	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Down load Drive In intermissions and move trailers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW1VluGucyI Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62834	From: aztecfan	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: I up loaded Drive In pictures

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/648781057/pic/list Under kit brasher. I am surprised you guys still remember dive in's. You need to build a ticket booth, lots of fence, an snack bar. I am moving my snack bar with restrooms to the back and putting a flickering battery candle from the dollar store to show though a hole in the wall to look like a projection light. Now find me a cheap source of people from the waist up. I hate to cut people in half. Still have not figured out how to build speakers for the cars. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62835	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Ordering SHS through local train shop

Dear Rick, Due to the situation with our builder, last September phone calls and notices went out to our distributors, hobby shops and dealers informing them about our predicament. Unfortunately, our business model needs to evolve for us to stay solvent. With our limited inventory and no source of new trains for the foreseeable future, we temporarily have discontinued these sales and only sell direct. The first person I called was Susan, our Walthers buyer. Don On Jan 5, 2011, at 3:41 PM, Rick Evans wrote: > I emailed my local train store today to order a box of SHS track, > they have ordered > track for me before. I got this response: > "Walthers' is phasing them out and that part number has already been > taken out off the computer." > Bummer. > > I have no problem ordering direct from SHS but I've always liked to > give the local shop a little biz. > > Oh well. > > Rick > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62836	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: I up loaded Drive In pictures

Jim, Drive inn looks great. For speakers, you can get some plastic solid rods, brass rods or wooden dowels, get the right scale of course, paint the silver. Get some bass or balsa wood to scale thickness and cut to scale paint gray and then some scale thread or wire, black and assemble. Good luck. Mike From: aztecfan Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:59 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] I up loaded Drive In pictures http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/648781057/pic/list Under kit brasher. I am surprised you guys still remember dive in's. You need to build a ticket booth, lots of fence, an snack bar. I am moving my snack bar with restrooms to the back and putting a flickering battery candle from the dollar store to show though a hole in the wall to look like a projection light. Now find me a cheap source of people from the waist up. I hate to cut people in half. Still have not figured out how to build speakers for the cars. Jim Sleeth [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62837	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: I up loaded Drive In pictures

We still have one in full operating condition down here in Adelaide, Australia. has reasonable attendances each night for the normal public and regularly hosts classic car club nights. Alistair On Thu 06/01/11 5:29 AM , "aztecfan" aztecfan@... sent: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/648781057/pic/list [1] Under kit brasher. I am surprised you guys still remember dive in's. You need to build a ticket booth, lots of fence, an snack bar. I am moving my snack bar with restrooms to the back and putting a flickering battery candle from the dollar store to show though a hole in the wall to look like a projection light. Now find me a cheap source of people from the waist up. I hate to cut people in half. Still have not figured out how to build speakers for the cars. Jim Sleeth ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/648781057/pic/list [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20I%20up%20loaded%20Drive%20In%20pictures [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvdHMzcDM0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MjgzNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTQyNjA2MzI-?act=reply&messageNum=62834 [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/62834;_ylc=X3oDMTM0bzJwaWg3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MjgzNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTQyNjA2MzIEdHBjSWQDNjI4MzQ- [5] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62838	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Ordering SHS through local train shop

Ahhhhhh .... clear as mud! Thanks Don. Rick On Jan 5, 2011, at 2:27 PM, Don Thompson wrote: > Dear Rick, > Due to the situation with our builder, last September phone calls > and notices went out to our distributors, hobby shops and dealers > informing them about our predicament. Unfortunately, our business > model needs to evolve for us to stay solvent. With our limited > inventory and no source of new trains for the foreseeable future, we > temporarily have discontinued these sales and only sell direct. The > first person I called was Susan, our Walthers buyer. > Don > > On Jan 5, 2011, at 3:41 PM, Rick Evans wrote: > > > I emailed my local train store today to order a box of SHS track, > > they have ordered > > track for me before. I got this response: > > "Walthers' is phasing them out and that part number has already been > > taken out off the computer." > > Bummer. > > > > I have no problem ordering direct from SHS but I've always liked to > > give the local shop a little biz. > > > > Oh well. > > > > Rick > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62839	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: I up loaded Drive In pictures

I meant to write cut the bass wood into scale speakers, as the rods are the poles for the speakers and the thread or wire is the cord from the poles to the speakers. Mike From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 4:44 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] I up loaded Drive In pictures Jim, Drive inn looks great. For speakers, you can get some plastic solid rods, brass rods or wooden dowels, get the right scale of course, paint the silver. Get some bass or balsa wood to scale thickness and cut to scale paint gray and then some scale thread or wire, black and assemble. Good luck. Mike From: aztecfan Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:59 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] I up loaded Drive In pictures http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/648781057/pic/list Under kit brasher. I am surprised you guys still remember dive in's. You need to build a ticket booth, lots of fence, an snack bar. I am moving my snack bar with restrooms to the back and putting a flickering battery candle from the dollar store to show though a hole in the wall to look like a projection light. Now find me a cheap source of people from the waist up. I hate to cut people in half. Still have not figured out how to build speakers for the cars. Jim Sleeth [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62840	From: May	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Too much smoke fluid in engine

It seems that there is too mucg fluid in our one engine. how do we get it out?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62841	From: Robert	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: I up loaded Drive In pictures

We still have one here in Butte though it's closed for the winter

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62842	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Something wrong...follow up

The reason I raised this question was that six or seven of my messages to S Trains have vanished since Thanksgiving. Since I'm not as active as I was before, this is significant. Losing one once in a while is not a concern, but this many deserves investigation. During this same period, not one failed to be posted on any of the other Yahoo Groups I'm on. This would tend to suggest the problem has not been my computer or server, as I at first thought, or even a Yahoo problem, unless it is with this Group in particular(Yahoo has "yahoo'd" us before.) It also can't be a problem with content as I have refrained from making political/religious/etc. comments here, although I have watched others do so. I do all that sort of thing on my blogsite to keep my hobbies separate from the rather depressing current world situation. Since my posting of the problem, eight other S Trains members or former members have contacted me, having had similar troubles at some point. It would seem to be more of a problem than just me, so perhaps it should be looked into further. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62843	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Runs Like A Scared Cat

Someone in the TCA quarterly news has a AF engine listed for sale. They had the description for the engine, “runs like a scared cat”. Creative marketing. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62844	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Too much smoke fluid in engine

Try Q-Tips...Mike In a message dated 1/5/2011 7:18:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mammac40@... writes: It seems that there is too mucg fluid in our one engine. how do we get it out? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62845	From: May Cunningham	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Too much smoke fluid in engine

Thanks, will try that. --- On Thu, 1/6/11, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Too much smoke fluid in engine To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 3:19 AM   Try Q-Tips...Mike In a message dated 1/5/2011 7:18:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mammac40@... writes: It seems that there is too mucg fluid in our one engine. how do we get it out? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62846	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Too much smoke fluid in engine

Run the heck out of it! Smoke up the house! :^) Rick On Jan 5, 2011, at 7:09 PM, May wrote: > It seems that there is too mucg fluid in our one engine. how do we get it out? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62847	From: rick gough	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: 06 - Re: [S-Trains] Mystery Grease on track.

What conclusion have you reached? rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing --- On Wed, 1/5/11, May Cunningham <mammac40@...> wrote: From: May Cunningham <mammac40@...> Subject: 06 - Re: [S-Trains] Mystery Grease on track. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 7:22 PM ADVISORY: There is currently a display bug in Yahoo! Mail that effects forwarded messages, causing such messages to be improperly displayed. Yahoo! is working on a fix. In the mean time, you can switch to Yahoo! Mail Classic (see "Options" menu at top right, choose "Mail Clasic...") to see these messages properly. We apologize for the inconvenience.Waitlist reason: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | Approve S-Trains@yahoogroups.com | [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62848	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Too much smoke fluid in engine

Park it in neutral, then crank the voltage up and watch it for the smoke to start rising again. Then run that baby!-John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62849	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Something wrong?

I put him on my blocked senders list on my email server. It all goes directly into trash. I told him I had done this and asked him to send me a message to see if it was working. I didn't get anything, so I guess it is. He is not a member of the group so the only reason he can even respond is that this list allows everyone to read our posts, unlike some other lists which limit access to the posts to the members only, but everyone seems to like it that way. Dale On 1/5/2011 6:24 AM, michael prell wrote: > > But if you sometimes enjoy screwing with the mind of the warped, have > fun. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62850	From: May Cunningham	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: 06 - Re: [S-Trains] Mystery Grease on track.

Believe it was caused by too much smoke fluid in the engine.  Not sure as to the black goop on the tracks as of yet. --- On Thu, 1/6/11, rick gough <racin510@...> wrote: From: rick gough <racin510@...> Subject: Re: 06 - Re: [S-Trains] Mystery Grease on track. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 3:29 AM   What conclusion have you reached? rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing --- On Wed, 1/5/11, May Cunningham <mammac40@...> wrote: From: May Cunningham <mammac40@...> Subject: 06 - Re: [S-Trains] Mystery Grease on track. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 7:22 PM ADVISORY: There is currently a display bug in Yahoo! Mail that effects forwarded messages, causing such messages to be improperly displayed. Yahoo! is working on a fix. In the mean time, you can switch to Yahoo! Mail Classic (see "Options" menu at top right, choose "Mail Clasic...") to see these messages properly. We apologize for the inconvenience.Waitlist reason: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | Approve S-Trains@yahoogroups.com | [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62851	From: May Cunningham	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Too much smoke fluid in engine

This has a new electronic reversing unit and can motor.  Would that matter? --- On Thu, 1/6/11, john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@...> wrote: From: john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Too much smoke fluid in engine To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 3:38 AM   Park it in neutral, then crank the voltage up and watch it for the smoke to start rising again. Then run that baby!-John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62852	From: Ed	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Something wrong?

Hi All, From one of the moderators: Yesterday on yahoo S-trains, I was unable to access messages. It stated messages were waiting. It was over 4 hrs before I regained access. It also stated that there had been no activity for 7 days. Now that is a real stretch. When I did get in, only one message was now available and I didn't see any other new ones posted at that time. I approved the message and went back and a new message was just posted and I approved that one. For any of you questioning posts, very seldom do any get rejected and when so the poster gets a return message. If they somehow get deleted I have no idea if a message was sent to the list. I know you don't want to bother a moderator, but that is just what has happened with this post with Stumpy asking a question about this problem. I am replying to a situation that I have no control over and hope you understand a bit about yahoo. When we get locked out by yahoo anything can happen. This isn't the only list that it happens to. The group is a free function provided by yahoo. By the way yahoo allows us to have 14 days to respond to a posting before they delete it. ROFLMAO! Into the ether it goes Stumpy. If there is a problem, you can feel free to contact me. I have seen some posts that I have approved not show up for hrs. When I check back into the time, I then find it. One was a day behind. Generally, most of my approved messages are received within 10 minutes of my approval. Carl and I try to approve messages as quickly as possible. Sometimes were both away. Just have patience with us. Sometimes I just go back to the homepage and check the posts. I have not intentionally deleted any messages except those that have been requested by the poster. I have never had a post that I approved not get posted by yahoo. Now to get to Stumpy's new message about 8 other people having the same problem, I would now think about your ISP provider actually sending the message to yahoo as well. If we don't receive the post, not much can be done about posting it. Obviously things happen and lets end this discussion now. If you have any further questions about this issue, please contact a moderator. Thanks, Ed Eckert From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mrstumpy50 Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 2:58 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Something wrong? In the past two months, several posts I made to the S Trains Yahoo group have failed to appear. This is not a problem with the other Yahoo groups I post to. Yesterday I posted a message to "Why Flyer?" and it seems again to have vanished into the ether. Anyone else having this ongoing problem? Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62853	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/5/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Grease on track.

There always seems to be some black gunk on the tracks, as mentioned before, if the smoke unit is over-filled, it will eventually end up on the tracks. I'm kinda confused on your statement below Mary. :^) -rick On Jan 5, 2011, at 7:47 PM, May Cunningham wrote: > Believe it was caused by too much smoke fluid in the engine. Not sure as to the black goop on the tracks as of yet. > > -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62854	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Grease on track.

Again please read the earlier posts that explain that it is a form of plastic disease, manifested in older Gilbert cars by a black gunk finding its way onto the track or sticking link couplers. Serious operators have been fitting later plastic wheels or insulated metal wheels for a long time to obviate the problem. I am surprized older posters have not backed up what I have been saying. Alistair On Thu 06/01/11 4:34 PM , Rick Evans bassflyer@... sent: There always seems to be some black gunk on the tracks, as mentioned before, if the smoke unit is over-filled, it will eventually end up on the tracks. I'm kinda confused on your statement below Mary. :^) -rick On Jan 5, 2011, at 7:47 PM, May Cunningham wrote: > Believe it was caused by too much smoke fluid in the engine. Not sure as to the black goop on the tracks as of yet. > > -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Mystery%20Grease%20on%20track. [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvMmRmY2FkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2Mjg1MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTQyOTc3MTk-?act=reply&messageNum=62853 [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/62847;_ylc=X3oDMTM0Ym5jMGRvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2Mjg1MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTQyOTc3MTkEdHBjSWQDNjI4NDc- [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62855	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Re: 06 - Re: [S-Trains] Mystery Grease on track.

Please look back in the lists and you will find extensive posting regarding the fact that the early plastic wheels on Gilbert cars ooze out a release agent from the molding which leaves a black residue on the track. Alistair On Thu 06/01/11 1:17 PM , May Cunningham mammac40@... sent: Believe it was caused by too much smoke fluid in the engine. Not sure as to the black goop on the tracks as of yet. --- On Thu, 1/6/11, rick gough wrote: From: rick gough Subject: Re: 06 - Re: [S-Trains] Mystery Grease on track. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 3:29 AM What conclusion have you reached? rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing --- On Wed, 1/5/11, May Cunningham wrote: From: May Cunningham Subject: 06 - Re: [S-Trains] Mystery Grease on track. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [6] Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 7:22 PM ADVISORY: There is currently a display bug in Yahoo! Mail that effects forwarded messages, causing such messages to be improperly displayed. Yahoo! is working on a fix. In the mean time, you can switch to Yahoo! Mail Classic (see "Options" menu at top right, choose "Mail Clasic...") to see these messages properly. We apologize for the inconvenience.Waitlist reason: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [7] is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | Approve S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [8] | [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:racin510@... [2] mailto:racin510@... [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [4] mailto:mammac40@... [5] mailto:mammac40@... [6] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [7] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [8] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [9] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%2006%20-%20Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Mystery%20Grease%20on%20track. [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvdjhlM2JrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2Mjg1MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTQyODU3NTU-?act=reply&messageNum=62850 [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/62847;_ylc=X3oDMTM0YWlhazFkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2Mjg1MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTQyODU3NTUEdHBjSWQDNjI4NDc- [12] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62856	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Re: 06 - Re: [S-Trains] Mystery Grease on track.

My guess would be smoke fluid and using plastic wheels. All the smoke unit does is vaporize the fluid. Once it goes up, it comes down leaving a thin film of smoke fluid on everything including the railhead. I suspect this could react with the plastic wheel causing the surface to break down and leave a deposit... Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62857	From: Monte	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Re: Switching layout

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bob Groh <bob.groh@...> wrote: > > Very nice! Any more details available? Maybe I missed prior postings (if > so, my bad) but I would love to see some dimensions, switch sizes, etc. > Might be an ideal subject for my first layout in 5 jillion years! > > Bob Groh > Blue Springs, Missouri > > An article about this layout appeared in the Oct. 2010 NAASG Dispatch magazine. The overall dimensions are 2' by 8'. The two end sections fold over the center section for easy potability. The track is American Models flex track with AM switches. Most rolling stock is S-Helper with scale couples. Motive power is an S-Helper SW9 wit DCC and sound. > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62858	From: Carey Probst	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Re: I up loaded Drive In pictures

Not sure about the new home in PA but we still had one when I lived north of Albany NY, right next to the dirt short track, neither of which made sense to me in that bastion of upscale snobs. Never figured out how those 2 places made any economic sense where building lots were going at over $50k an acre. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 1/5/2011 8:47 PM, Robert wrote: > > We still have one here in Butte though it's closed for the winter > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62859	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Re: Too much smoke fluid in engine

It shouldn't matter. The only glitch I can see would be that the smoker isn't wired to work in neutral, as in earlier Flyer engines. Since Gilbert changed to having the smoker always "hot", your conversion likely follows this practice- John Marganski   This has a new electronic reversing unit and can motor.  Would that matter? -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62860	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Something wrong...follow up

AH, HA! I see the pattern here. Since the Yahoo Group is free, we're "getting what we pay for" when it comes to their service. Well, I suppose that's fair, just aggravating. Stumpy... now I understand.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62861	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Re: Switching layout

Ah, excellent. I have it. Thanks, Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Monte Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:15 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Switching layout > An article about this layout appeared in the Oct. 2010 NAASG Dispatch magazine. The overall dimensions are 2' by 8'. The two end sections fold over the center section for easy potability. The track is American Models flex track with AM switches. Most rolling stock is S-Helper with scale couples. Motive power is an S-Helper SW9 wit DCC and sound.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62862	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Miller Motor parts

I have several wheeled armature ( motor ) looking to swap or but magnets, to complete 2 motors. Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62863	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Re: I up loaded Drive In pictures

On 1/6/2011 7:33 AM, Carey Probst wrote: > Never figured out > how those 2 places made any economic sense where building lots were > going at over $50k an acre. Up until October 3, 2009, we still had a four screen drive-in right in the middle of the city. It was doing very well but the corporate owners decided to sell it to a developer who now has the property up for sale as he can't do anything with it for the type of development that he does. BTW, since the 90's most drive-ins didn't use the speakers and poles and used FM stereo transmitted to the vehicle stereo systems so if you don't want to make poles and speakers, it would be correct for a later era. And as for making sense, drive-ins and any movie theater basically make their profits at the snack bar. As much as 70% of the ticket price goes to the studios and film brokers. Most of the 400 or so remaining drive-ins have realized that they just happen to be a fast food restaurant that shows movies and have capitalized on their snack bar offerings. I know this doesn't have much to do with S gauge but a drive-in would definitely be a period correct accessory for any layout. ;-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62864	From: Timboy	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout

Hi Guys: I've resumed work on building my very large all-American Flyer vintage-style layout. If you are interested in building something, visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62865	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Re: I up loaded Drive In pictures

Drive-in Movies as a backdrop. One way you might model a drive-in theater and save space is to model only the ticket entrance booth and the back of the screen as a 3-d flat on the backdrop. Usually the Drive-In name was prominent here - Route 66 Drive-In or such. The screen would only have to have a few angled support brackets sticking out from the screen - sort of a reverse billboard look. I would angle slightly and try to find or paint a backdrop showing the cars, posts, concession stand. This would give the atmosphere you want, save space, and there would be no need for a moving picture. How many of you remember miniature train rides and playgrounds as part of the Drive-In theater complex. Jeff Madden [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62866	From: rick gough	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Re: 06 - Re: [S-Trains] Mystery Grease on track.

I've got some pretty serious smokers but have never noticed any residue anywhere from them much less anything that could coat the rails. My thought: Get a track cleaning car and use it! rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62867	From: Robert	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: 06 - Re: [S-Trains] Mystery Grease on track.

I'm not going to say that's the problem but makes sense to me. Now if we could just make the smoke black.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62868	From: Robert	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Re: Too much smoke fluid in engine

The black gunk on the track was a problem for me in HO as well a buddy of mine who was in N had the same problem. Using the stuff I mentioned in a previous post cleaned it up. Not sure if it works in a track cleaning car or not but it also cleans wheels.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62869	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/6/2011
Subject: Re: A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed....

Hi Hardwood, I completed the wiring of the #429 loco. I also made a wire Diagram for this type of O gauge train to add to my book. This train works better then some of my "S" gauge E units. ;)  Clayton.  --- On Sun, 1/2/11, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote: From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> Subject: [S-Trains] A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed.... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 3:25 PM   Hi Clay, I will look at mine and see what I can come up with. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: clayton <uvl97222@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 2, 2011 12:49 pm Subject: [S-Trains] A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed.... Hello group, and happy new year. I picked up a #429 A.F. it was not working, and the E unite was gone. Here is where I could use the help from the group. I have the E unit now ready to go in, but the wires are gone. I am looking for a wiring diagram to hook it up. I made a stab at it, and it works, but I would like to see the true way this was wire. Can some one help me with a link, or a diagram? Clayton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62870	From: Robert	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: -Scale track

I've been working on a small scale layout and would like to know wh makes the best scale track. At present I am leaning toward Tomalco.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62871	From: Ben	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Attic Find!

Lynn's cousin's husband remarked a few months ago he remembered some old trains in the attic. He finally dug them out and asked if I wanted to take a look. Of course! I had no idea what to expect as he did not know what he had... I looked, I liked. He asked if I was interested in them or if I would help him sell them. I think I am interested in the whole lot. Final tally still TBD, but some highlights include: -prewar Lionel set with all the trimmings -315 PRR K5 -343 0-8-0 loco and tender -360/364 SF A-B unit -5 digit B & O box car -a half dozen other freight cars -Four sets of remote control switches -Fifty or so of each curved and straight track -AF crossing gate -Red operating mail car -653 Green combine car -Broken 654 observation car in red -Bags and bags of fiber track pins, original wood screws, track clips, uncouplers, three green track bumpers, etc., etc., etc. -Estimated 20-25 Plasticville structures Now I need to figure out what I would like to offer for this stuff. All of it needs TLC- a bit of corrosion here and there, a few missing parts, some stuff broken, etc. Eight boxes of stuff that I was able to condense to four. It looked as if someone had to pack those trains in a hurry with no rhyme and no reason. Very cool to sort through, though, and the further I got in each box, the more small "missing" parts I found floating around on the bottom. All in all, a good day! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62872	From: aztecfan	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: A cheap programable $20 MP3 player for sound effects.

The R2 builder use these. Mp3 play with wired remote. Add any sound effects to the flash card. http://www.thinkgeek.com/clearance/on-sale/a5bf/ Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62873	From: Robert	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Re: Attic Find!

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote: > > Lynn's cousin's husband remarked a few months ago he remembered some old trains in the attic. He finally dug them out and asked if I wanted to take a look. Of course! I had no idea what to expect as he did not know what he had... > > I looked, I liked. He asked if I was interested in them or if I would help him sell them. I think I am interested in the whole lot. Final tally still TBD, but some highlights include: > > -prewar Lionel set with all the trimmings > -315 PRR K5 > -343 0-8-0 loco and tender > -360/364 SF A-B unit > -5 digit B & O box car > -a half dozen other freight cars > -Four sets of remote control switches > -Fifty or so of each curved and straight track > -AF crossing gate > -Red operating mail car > -653 Green combine car > -Broken 654 observation car in red > -Bags and bags of fiber track pins, original wood screws, track clips, uncouplers, three green track bumpers, etc., etc., etc. > -Estimated 20-25 Plasticville structures > > Now I need to figure out what I would like to offer for this stuff. All of it needs TLC- a bit of corrosion here and there, a few missing parts, some stuff broken, etc. Eight boxes of stuff that I was able to condense to four. It looked as if someone had to pack those trains in a hurry with no rhyme and no reason. Very cool to sort through, though, and the further I got in each box, the more small "missing" parts I found floating around on the bottom. > > All in all, a good day! > > Ben >Talk about falling in the compost pile and coming up smelling like a rose. You lucky devil you.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62874	From: Timboy	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout

Hi Guys! I'm making steady progress. However, I had a slight mishap this morning! YIKES! To see pics of my progress and details, visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62875	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Re: A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed....

Clay, I was about to tear mine down and draw a diagram, great. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, Jan 6, 2011 9:59 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed.... Hi Hardwood, I completed the wiring of the #429 loco. I also made a wire Diagram for this type of O gauge train to add to my book. This train works better then some of my "S" gauge E units. ;) Clayton. --- On Sun, 1/2/11, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote: From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> Subject: [S-Trains] A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed.... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 3:25 PM Hi Clay, I will look at mine and see what I can come up with. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: clayton <uvl97222@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 2, 2011 12:49 pm Subject: [S-Trains] A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed.... Hello group, and happy new year. I picked up a #429 A.F. it was not working, and the E unite was gone. Here is where I could use the help from the group. I have the E unit now ready to go in, but the wires are gone. I am looking for a wiring diagram to hook it up. I made a stab at it, and it works, but I would like to see the true way this was wire. Can some one help me with a link, or a diagram? Clayton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62876	From: Michael Rector	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout

Hope you weren't hurt with the step ladder fall. --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote: From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 1:02 PM   Hi Guys! I'm making steady progress. However, I had a slight mishap this morning! YIKES! To see pics of my progress and details, visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62877	From: Raul Catta	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Hobby shops in Orlando and Miami

I'll be next week in Orlando and Miami FL. Can you tell me if there's any hobby shop, with American Flyer or Flyonel in those cities or in between, cause I'll be driving from Orlando to Miami? I know Ready to Roll in Miami and Mark Preman was in Orlando but the new owner of "americanflyertrains" is in Baltimore. Thanks for the information Raul Catta Buenos Aires Argentina [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62878	From: Bob	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Happy New Year From the 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine

Yes, that's right, I'm still trying to catch up, so my best to everyone for a happy & healthy 2011. The Fall issue of the 1:64 Modeling Guide is finally out, and our 1st class & International subscribers should have their copy by now (I did hear from a reader in Northern Ireland stating that he got his). BTW: The issue is sold out! This is the first issue that has sold out since I became the magazine's publisher. Thanks, everyone! Renewal notices for standard rate mail subscribers were sent out separately and probably arrived already. Please renew as soon as possible! Online subscribers, remember that your subscription will be renewed automatically via PayPal on your anniversary date and you will be charged accordingly... ...until I change the set-up. Based on feedback from online subscribers, I've decided to change the online subscription process so that it will no longer renew automatically. I still have details to work out, so the change will not happen before February 1st. I know I have some e-mails to catch up on, so please be patient a little longer as I clean up my e-mail inbox, straighten up the desk and resume work on the Winter, 2011 issue. I do plan to take a some time off next week, so I'll be out of the office but still checking e-mails. Best Regards, Bob Nalbone Editor & Publisher 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62879	From: Bruce	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Re: Hobby shops in Orlando and Miami

The heirs of Chester Holley in Tampa may still be in business. I could be wrong, but worth a check. He used to advertise in Model Railroader. His ad? Simply, "The Most". Bruce DeGailler, Sr. From: Raul Catta Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 1:05 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: rcatta@... Subject: [S-Trains] Hobby shops in Orlando and Miami I'll be next week in Orlando and Miami FL. Can you tell me if there's any hobby shop, with American Flyer or Flyonel in those cities or in between, cause I'll be driving from Orlando to Miami? I know Ready to Roll in Miami and Mark Preman was in Orlando but the new owner of "americanflyertrains" is in Baltimore. Thanks for the information Raul Catta Buenos Aires Argentina [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62880	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Re: Hobby shops in Orlando and Miami

Hello Raul, You are right about visiting Ready To Roll. I make several trips each year. Be sure to be there in plenty of daylight as that is a rough part of town at night. Colonial Hobbies in Orlando is a worthy stop. Colonial Photo & Hobby 1-800-841-1485 634 N Mills Ave Orlando, FL 32803 Closer to Miami and not too far from the turnpike is: Warrick's Hobby Super Store 7676 Peters Rd # B Plantation, FL 33324 (954) 424-6229 Use the I-595 exit head west to University Drive. Then north to Peters road. I also like Discount Hobbies on Oakland Park. It is closer to I-95 than to the turnpike, so, the directions would be a bigger challenge: Discount Hobby & Train 211 E Oakland Park Blvd Fort Lauderdale, FL 33306 (954) 564-5367 None of these places is an S specialist. They are good train shops and have lots of stuff. Some Flyer and plenty of scenic material can be found. They all do mail-order (at least they used to) and you can get on their lists if you wish. Are you going to the International Builder's Show in Orlando? Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul Catta Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 4:06 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: rcatta@... Subject: [S-Trains] Hobby shops in Orlando and Miami I'll be next week in Orlando and Miami FL. Can you tell me if there's any hobby shop, with American Flyer or Flyonel in those cities or in between, cause I'll be driving from Orlando to Miami? I know Ready to Roll in Miami and Mark Preman was in Orlando but the new owner of "americanflyertrains" is in Baltimore. Thanks for the information Raul Catta Buenos Aires Argentina

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62881	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Re: A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed....

Hi Hardwood! That was so nice of you to offer to do that for me, and I would do the same for any of the people in the group too.  What I did was put the train down, and come back to it later. This made me think more clearly.  Clayton --- On Fri, 1/7/11, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote: From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed.... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 9:54 AM   Clay, I was about to tear mine down and draw a diagram, great. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, Jan 6, 2011 9:59 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed.... Hi Hardwood, I completed the wiring of the #429 loco. I also made a wire Diagram for this type of O gauge train to add to my book. This train works better then some of my "S" gauge E units. ;) Clayton. --- On Sun, 1/2/11, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote: From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> Subject: [S-Trains] A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed.... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 3:25 PM Hi Clay, I will look at mine and see what I can come up with. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: clayton <uvl97222@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 2, 2011 12:49 pm Subject: [S-Trains] A.F. O gauge # 429 help needed.... Hello group, and happy new year. I picked up a #429 A.F. it was not working, and the E unite was gone. Here is where I could use the help from the group. I have the E unit now ready to go in, but the wires are gone. I am looking for a wiring diagram to hook it up. I made a stab at it, and it works, but I would like to see the true way this was wire. Can some one help me with a link, or a diagram? Clayton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62882	From: Timboy	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout

Thanks Mike! Nope. No more hurt than when I took a foul tip that a catcher didn't catch. I hated when those foul balls found me under my chest-protector! I'm resilient. I'm still pretty callused up from my cage fighting days. Thanks for asking, though. I may weigh 300 pounds, but I'm still quick as a cat. So tomorrow, it will be back up on the horse to do more "oatmealing". I can't tell you how many times I've been thrown off a horse in my rodeo days! "Get back on the horse" has always been my mantra. Hey boys! Let's play with some toys! Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62883	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Population growth

I just added about 15 figures from Arttista and they look great. I have about 7 seated people for the ball park and a dz more coming from A&M. I ordered some more Arttista today also. Really ads allot to the layout. I finally been running some trains, uncoupling cars, etc. Really neat. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62884	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Layout from 2006 on the floor

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/313000237/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=661&count=20&dir=asc I just downloaded a series of close up and overhead shots of the floor plan for my layout in 2006. I am so glad I waited and learned about the track I am using now. And that is fine that many love AF track, as that is great. Linda reminded me about these photos tonight. I sent some of these to some of you in private, but not the overhead shots. Just amazing overall, this and then the present layout. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62885	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: MTH Bubbling Checkerboard Water Tower

I have a MTH water tower and the water tube does not get hot enough for the water to bubble. Anyway experience this issue or it it just me. I do have some new 430 bulbs I just got, but I can not budge the bulb to turn. A pair of pliers will get it I am sure. Also, I think I have a repro water tube in my AF Checkerboard tower that pops out of the base, due to getting too hot. A original tube does not move. Any suggestions on securing this tube in the base a bit better. Thanks Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62886	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Re: MTH Bubbling Checkerboard Water Tower

Mike, I have found that sometimes you need to bend the bracket a bit so the bulb sits closer to the base of the tube to heat it better. I have had to do that for Colbert, Flyer, Marx &K Line towers Bob Sent from my iPod On Jan 7, 2011, at 8:51 PM, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > I have a MTH water tower and the water tube does not get hot enough for the water to bubble. > > Anyway experience this issue or it it just me. > > I do have some new 430 bulbs I just got, but I can not budge the bulb to turn. > > A pair of pliers will get it I am sure. > > Also, I think I have a repro water tube in my AF Checkerboard tower that pops out of the base, due to getting too hot. A original tube does not move. Any suggestions on securing this tube in the base a bit better. > > Thanks > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62887	From: David	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Re: MTH Bubbling Checkerboard Water Tower

Hi Mike, I don't know if this will help, but unless the tube is seated well it will not get warm enough to bubble. My bubbling oil derrick does not bubble from time to time because the tube has moved up a little. Pushing it back in to seat it gets it bubbling again. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I have a MTH water tower and the water tube does not get hot enough for the water to bubble. > > Anyway experience this issue or it it just me. > > I do have some new 430 bulbs I just got, but I can not budge the bulb to turn. > > A pair of pliers will get it I am sure. > > Also, I think I have a repro water tube in my AF Checkerboard tower that pops out of the base, due to getting too hot. A original tube does not move. Any suggestions on securing this tube in the base a bit better. > > Thanks > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62888	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/7/2011
Subject: Re: Population growth

the seated people are not part of the 15 added to the layout. mike From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 9:01 PM To: S Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Population growth I just added about 15 figures from Arttista and they look great. I have about 7 seated people for the ball park and a dz more coming from A&M. I ordered some more Arttista today also. Really ads allot to the layout. I finally been running some trains, uncoupling cars, etc. Really neat. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62889	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: MTH Bubbling Checkerboard Water Tower

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/651162842/view?picmode=medium&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=661&dir=asc Interesting photo as the Water tower in question is seem still in the box from 2006. The other two are AF seen. mike From: Bob Hendrickson Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 9:51 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: S Trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH Bubbling Checkerboard Water Tower Mike, I have found that sometimes you need to bend the bracket a bit so the bulb sits closer to the base of the tube to heat it better. I have had to do that for Colbert, Flyer, Marx &K Line towers Bob Sent from my iPod On Jan 7, 2011, at 8:51 PM, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: > I have a MTH water tower and the water tube does not get hot enough for the water to bubble. > > Anyway experience this issue or it it just me. > > I do have some new 430 bulbs I just got, but I can not budge the bulb to turn. > > A pair of pliers will get it I am sure. > > Also, I think I have a repro water tube in my AF Checkerboard tower that pops out of the base, due to getting too hot. A original tube does not move. Any suggestions on securing this tube in the base a bit better. > > Thanks > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62890	From: Robert	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Building a Large American Flyer Layout

Looks like I'm not the only cowboy building model trains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62891	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: MTH Bubbling Checkerboard Water Tower

Thanks Bob, as only the MTH is not bubbling as I have 4 AF ones on the layout bubbling just fine. 2 are of the Red Tank top as one is a Cobler and one is AF. Just the MTH is not bubbling. Will check the bracket and the seat on it. Then they get a email from me, MTH about it. maybe if I attach the Lionel string air hose to it, it will bubble. Mike From: Bob Hendrickson Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 9:51 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: S Trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH Bubbling Checkerboard Water Tower Mike, I have found that sometimes you need to bend the bracket a bit so the bulb sits closer to the base of the tube to heat it better. I have had to do that for Colbert, Flyer, Marx &K Line towers Bob Sent from my iPod On Jan 7, 2011, at 8:51 PM, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: > I have a MTH water tower and the water tube does not get hot enough for the water to bubble. > > Anyway experience this issue or it it just me. > > I do have some new 430 bulbs I just got, but I can not budge the bulb to turn. > > A pair of pliers will get it I am sure. > > Also, I think I have a repro water tube in my AF Checkerboard tower that pops out of the base, due to getting too hot. A original tube does not move. Any suggestions on securing this tube in the base a bit better. > > Thanks > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62892	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: MTH Bubbling Checkerboard Water Tower

Thanks Dave, as I am sure it is seated right, but I will check. And if it is, I am going to email MTH and see what they say. I think I will take a food thermometer and touch each bulb to see what temp I get. I have three across, two AF and one MTH. Mike From: David Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 10:25 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: MTH Bubbling Checkerboard Water Tower Hi Mike, I don't know if this will help, but unless the tube is seated well it will not get warm enough to bubble. My bubbling oil derrick does not bubble from time to time because the tube has moved up a little. Pushing it back in to seat it gets it bubbling again. BG1 --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I have a MTH water tower and the water tube does not get hot enough for the water to bubble. > > Anyway experience this issue or it it just me. > > I do have some new 430 bulbs I just got, but I can not budge the bulb to turn. > > A pair of pliers will get it I am sure. > > Also, I think I have a repro water tube in my AF Checkerboard tower that pops out of the base, due to getting too hot. A original tube does not move. Any suggestions on securing this tube in the base a bit better. > > Thanks > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62893	From: Thorinn Marty	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: SHS turnouts, a left and a right

Good morning: Santa and Doug Peck brought me a SHS right turnout (switch) for Christmas for my workbench layout. I already have an SHS left providing a siding or the left yard track. Due to space limitations this left turnout plugs into a right curve forming a nasty S curve. ---------------------------------------------- ----------/ I want to expand to a three track yard with my new turnout. This will give me one nasty S curve and one gentle S curve. --------X------------------------------------- ------------/ -------- Last night I tried to build the above layout. The right turnout's ground throw interferes with the other track coming shows with the big X. The ground throw portion is part of the turnouts base casting. It can not be unscrewed and swapped to the other side. ---------\ ---------------------------------------------- ------------/ This could work but now I have TWO nasty S curves. The whole objective was to eliminate a nasty S Curve. ----------------X------------------------------- ------------/........./......................<-- Pretend the dots are not there -------------------/ This does not work unless I have a half-straight between the turnouts, again because of the ground throws. Plus I do not have two left turnouts. I am back to spacing AF issues and have to have a half-straight between switches. I am very sad as I thought the SHS turnouts avoided the problems found with the AF switches with their huge their direction control lever box. Any suggestions? Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62894	From: Edward	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Great Train Movies ...##########################

Heres a Movie ..I would like to find on DVD....anyone seen it out there ...????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_nsdKRV6DI&feature=related I have seen it a few times over the years on TV....But I want to see it now on my 60in Plasma...or on my 109" HD ...without commercials..LOL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62895	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Great Train Movies ...##########################

I found and ordered it from Amazon.com      great  movie with some fine actors.   Al --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Edward <am-flyr@...> wrote: From: Edward <am-flyr@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Great Train Movies ...########################## To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 1:50 AM   Heres a Movie ..I would like to find on DVD....anyone seen it out there ...????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_nsdKRV6DI&feature=related I have seen it a few times over the years on TV....But I want to see it now on my 60in Plasma...or on my 109" HD ...without commercials..LOL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62896	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Great Train Movies ...##########################

It is on Amazon for 11.99 http://www.amazon.com/Emperor-North-Lee-Marvin/dp/B000EXDSCU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1294501524&sr=8-1 From: Edward Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 3:50 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Great Train Movies ...########################## Heres a Movie ..I would like to find on DVD....anyone seen it out there ...????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_nsdKRV6DI&feature=related I have seen it a few times over the years on TV....But I want to see it now on my 60in Plasma...or on my 109" HD ...without commercials..LOL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62897	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Great Train Movies ...##########################

On 1/8/2011 2:50 AM, Edward wrote: > Heres a Movie ..I would like to find on DVD....anyone seen it out there > ...????? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_nsdKRV6DI&feature=related > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_nsdKRV6DI&feature=related> It's available from Netflix. 1973 118 minutes. Also available on Amazon new and used starting as low as $6.95 + shipping. eBay even has a couple of original 8 X 10 theater lobby cards from the film. BTW, every time I post to the list, I get a couple of messages from our troubled "friend." Just to let him know, they are filtered directly to the trash and I never read them. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62898	From: navmedguy	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Arrrghhh!!

April! ...April!! Really!??! I have to wait until APRIL (or longer) for my AF U33C Legacy with exhaust directional headlights electrocouplers and more??? This is intolerable. .............sigh......... Anyone have inside info on whether we'll *really* see this engine in April?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62899	From: Bullybullfrog@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: OSW + S West 6 Coming Soon

O Scale West Plus S West 6 2011 Hello everyone, just 3 weeks to go before the annual S Scale show held in conjunction with O Scale West at the Hyatt Regency Hotel, 5101 Great America Parkway, Santa Clara, Ca.. The show starts with late registration, evening videos, some layout visits and clinics on Thursday January 27th. Friday the 28th the vendor’s room is open during the day and closed in the evening so everyone can enjoy layout visits, videos and clinics. Clinics are put on all day long, plus Favorite Model and Photo Contest and operating layouts in the ballroom. There will also be an S Scale information table set aside for flyers from manufacturers, coming events and other S related items. (Those with information to distribute to S Scalers please contact me at the below e-mail address). Saturday is the same as Friday with the show closing late Saturday afternoon. Check the OSW web site for more detailed information and for open layouts when traveling into the San Francisco bay area or leaving and heading home. Some layouts are open before the show and a number of layouts are open on Sunday after the show. Web Site: _www.oscalewest.com_ (http://www.oscalewest.com) If you have any questions, please feel free to e-mail me: Bill McClung _Bullybullfrog@..._ (mailto:Bullybullfrog@...) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62900	From: barb	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Building a large AF layout

Tim, Your new mountain looks great!! Although I used 2x4s and wire mesh to build the foundation of my mountain, I like your method better and I am sure it is lighter in weight. It is similar to the method Carl Tuveson used to build his mountain and his turned out beautifully also. Sorry for your mishap with the ladder. Hope you're not bruised nor your work on the layout delayed because of it. Keep up the fabulous work. We're all learning a lot from it. Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62901	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: New Vendors

Does anyone know if Showcase and Am have been able to find new vendors for their cars, engines and tack systems? About the mid-point of last year, it was posted that their Chinese vendor had cut them out. It was stated that they would try to find new vendors. Have our people been successful in locating new vendors? I thought I saw where someone had indicated that when their existing inventory was depleted, they would have to find another business endeavor. I really hate that. We are so dependent on them for ideas, as well as their quality products and services. This has the potential of making all of us soles dependent on Lionel, I would like other options. A. E. Johnson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62902	From: Timboy	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Hi Barb, Thanks! It's back up on the horse today! lol Hope you got my note to you about a month ago where I outlined a few techniques! Loved the pic you sent me of East of the Farm. Top notch work! Today's progress: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62903	From: Robert	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Arrrghhh!!

Charles Ro told me May.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62904	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: New Vendors

I was just going to ask the same question. I also was wondering if SHS has approached MTH to consummate an agreement to have them make their trains for them? I know Mike now makes all Lionel's pre-war trains. He has all gauges except "S". Just a thought. Harwood Subject: [S-Trains] New Vendors Does anyone know if Showcase and Am have been able to find new vendors for their cars, engines and tack systems? About the mid-point of last year, it was posted that their Chinese vendor had cut them out. It was stated that they would try to find new vendors. Have our people been successful in locating new vendors? I thought I saw where someone had indicated that when their existing inventory was depleted, they would have to find another business endeavor. I really hate that. We are so dependent on them for ideas, as well as their quality products and services. This has the potential of making all of us soles dependent on Lionel, I would like other options. A. E. Johnson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62905	From: william cole	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Great Train Movies ...##########################

great train movies: Dark of the Sun (also known as The Mercenaries) is a 1968 African war/adventure film starring Rod Taylor, Yvette Mimieux, Jim Brown and Peter Carsten. It was directed by Jack Cardiff and based on Wilbur Smith's 1965 novel, The Dark of the Sun, original book was entitled. Last Train From Katanga not out on DVD yet.... was filmed on the Jamaican Railway system 1967 movie about the Congo uprising, mercenaries, rebels, diamonds, action flick, great train scenes ! saw it as a kid on the large screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Rf_vulEuSw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_of_the_Sun Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62906	From: Dave Bellian	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Population growth

Hello A blatant sales ad, in C/W your layout, I have 10 figures new in the bags from AM 9 seated one standing for $3.00 if you can use them, Clearing out extras from the basement. Let me know. Thanks, Dave -----Original Message----- From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: S Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Jan 7, 2011 9:28 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Population growth I just added about 15 figures from Arttista and they look great. I have about 7 seated people for the ball park and a dz more coming from A&M. I ordered some more Arttista today also. Really ads allot to the layout. I finally been running some trains, uncoupling cars, etc. Really neat. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62907	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Bubbling Water take 2

Update on my bubbling water towers. The first one where the tube popped out due to the heat, was cause by it not being properly seated in the hole with the bulb because either the hole was melted or it was a factory defect. It would slide out very easy. This is the one with the gray plastic base with the red solid tank. Colber made some of these. So, I opened the hole so the water tube is now snug and I did not crack the base at all. LOL So that is taken care of. The other one is a MTH Checkerboard Tower and the bulb and tube are seated correctly. The only thing I can think of is the bulb is not hot enough. The bulb will not turn, as I can break the bulb and use pliers to remove the metal base of the bulb, I hope! I have the right bulbs for the tower, a 430 bulb. But I sent MTH a email so I will wait to hear from them first before trying to remove the bulb. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62908	From: grant bishop	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Hobby shops in Orlando and Miami

Colonial Photo & Hobby I took a red eye to Orlando and still managed to find Colonial easily without GPS Even bought a few things there since they had some S in stock Grant Bishop ^--^ ( WOOF! ) (o o)------- ^ / o \ --------)) U ||)))))))|| /_\ /_\ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62909	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: New Vendors

I cannot speak for AM, but we have been contacted by both Asian and American companies with factories in China about taking on our tooling. It will still be awhile before we could move, plus we have not really discussed the details on quantities of runs, roadnames, roadnumbers or costs. We are still working with Sanda Kan on our new Bethlehem steel fishbelly two bay hoppers (Christmas Car included). These have been reposted on our website for orders and we hope to see later this winter. We are still having existing inventory shipped from China as well as some open purchase order for track and rail we hope to see in the not to distant future. Don On Jan 8, 2011, at 12:02 PM, A. E. Johnson wrote: > Does anyone know if Showcase and Am have been able to find new vendors [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62910	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Hobby shops in Orlando and Miami

GRANT.... IF YOU GET THIS IN TIME... THERE IS A TRAIN SHOW ABOUT 30 MINUTES NORTH IN DELAND .... SAT AND SUNDAY... USUALLY PRETTY NICE....BOB CONNER --- On Sat, 1/8/11, grant bishop <gwbishop@...> wrote: From: grant bishop <gwbishop@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Hobby shops in Orlando and Miami To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 4:49 PM   Colonial Photo & Hobby I took a red eye to Orlando and still managed to find Colonial easily without GPS Even bought a few things there since they had some S in stock Grant Bishop ^--^ ( WOOF! ) (o o)------- ^ / o \ --------)) U ||)))))))|| /_\ /_\ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62911	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2

Hi Mike, � The correct bulb for heat is a #430 14 Volt Bulb.   If you have an 18 Volt Bulb in the socket that will not generate enough hear.  There should also be a rubber grommet in the bottom of the tank.  If that is loose or missing that could cause a problem.  In the bottom of the tube there should be some white crystals.  I believe these heat and cause the tube to bubble.  Turn the tower or tube upside down and see if the crystals move.  If you don't see these crystals you may have an defective tube,  My company Gilbert Reproductions reproduced these towers and I'm well aware how these work.  The tubes that I used would bubble off the heat of your hand.  My towers were made in the USA. Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 4:08 PM   Update on my bubbling water towers. The first one where the tube popped out due to the heat, was cause by it not being properly seated in the hole with the bulb because either the hole was melted or it was a factory defect. It would slide out very easy. This is the one with the gray plastic base with the red solid tank. Colber made some of these. So, I opened the hole so the water tube is now snug and I did not crack the base at all. LOL So that is taken care of. The other one is a MTH Checkerboard Tower and the bulb and tube are seated correctly. The only thing I can think of is the bulb is not hot enough. The bulb will not turn, as I can break the bulb and use pliers to remove the metal base of the bulb, I hope! I have the right bulbs for the tower, a 430 bulb. But I sent MTH a email so I will wait to hear from them first before trying to remove the bulb. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62912	From: May Cunningham	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Great Train Movies ...##########################

Check out NetFlix for train movies.  Runaway Train can be watched online from there. --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Edward <am-flyr@...> wrote: From: Edward <am-flyr@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Great Train Movies ...########################## To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 9:50 AM   Heres a Movie ..I would like to find on DVD....anyone seen it out there ...????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_nsdKRV6DI&feature=related I have seen it a few times over the years on TV....But I want to see it now on my 60in Plasma...or on my 109" HD ...without commercials..LOL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62913	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Great Train Movies ...The Train

My favorite... Don http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059825/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62914	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2

Hi Tom, Thanks as I did remove the bulb and put in a 430 bulb. It does not bubble. There is something in the tube, reddish white, but they do not move. Maybe it is stuck in a mass? let me try knocking this a bit. I did email MTH. Thanks. Mike From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:56 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 Hi Mike, � The correct bulb for heat is a #430 14 Volt Bulb. If you have an 18 Volt Bulb in the socket that will not generate enough hear. There should also be a rubber grommet in the bottom of the tank. If that is loose or missing that could cause a problem. In the bottom of the tube there should be some white crystals. I believe these heat and cause the tube to bubble. Turn the tower or tube upside down and see if the crystals move. If you don't see these crystals you may have an defective tube, My company Gilbert Reproductions reproduced these towers and I'm well aware how these work. The tubes that I used would bubble off the heat of your hand. My towers were made in the USA. Tom Seccia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62915	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2

Hi Tom. I was able to get the water tube out for the MTH Checkerboard tower and the bottom of the tube is like a 1/8 inch high reddish looking sponge in it. Not like a AF or AF repro. Like a brick nothing moves except water when turned upside down. I will await to hear from MTH. the worse that will happen I buy a repro tube with water, if they are still made. Thanks, as there is not much more I can do at this time. Mike From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:56 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 Hi Mike, � The correct bulb for heat is a #430 14 Volt Bulb. If you have an 18 Volt Bulb in the socket that will not generate enough hear. There should also be a rubber grommet in the bottom of the tank. If that is loose or missing that could cause a problem. In the bottom of the tube there should be some white crystals. I believe these heat and cause the tube to bubble. Turn the tower or tube upside down and see if the crystals move. If you don't see these crystals you may have an defective tube, My company Gilbert Reproductions reproduced these towers and I'm well aware how these work. The tubes that I used would bubble off the heat of your hand. My towers were made in the USA. Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62916	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2

Unless I'm mistaken the "water" in those tubes is methylene chloride, an organic solvent Bob Sent from my iPod On Jan 8, 2011, at 8:40 PM, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > Hi Tom. > > I was able to get the water tube out for the MTH Checkerboard tower and the bottom of the tube is like a 1/8 inch high reddish looking sponge in it. Not like a AF or AF repro. Like a brick nothing moves except water when turned upside down. > > I will await to hear from MTH. > > the worse that will happen I buy a repro tube with water, if they are still made. > Thanks, as there is not much more I can do at this time. > > Mike > > From: Sheila Seccia > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:56 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 > > Hi Mike, > � The correct bulb for heat is a #430 14 Volt Bulb. If you have an 18 Volt Bulb in the socket that will not generate enough hear. There should also be a rubber grommet in the bottom of the tank. If that is loose or missing that could cause a problem. In the bottom of the tube there should be some white crystals. I believe these heat and cause the tube to bubble. Turn the tower or tube upside down and see if the crystals move. If you don't see these crystals you may have an defective tube, My company Gilbert Reproductions reproduced these towers and I'm well aware how these work. The tubes that I used would bubble off the heat of your hand. My towers were made in the USA. > Tom Seccia > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62917	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Checkerboard Water Tower

http://www.mthtrains.com/content/30-90129 I think I will replace my defective, I think, MTH tower with this one. LOL Just kidding. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62918	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Checkerboard Water Tower

Next you'll be serving crabby patties at the Frosty Bar Sent from my iPod On Jan 8, 2011, at 9:05 PM, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > http://www.mthtrains.com/content/30-90129 > > I think I will replace my defective, I think, MTH tower with this one. > > LOL Just kidding. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62919	From: Ben Serzo	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Population growth

Hi Dave, Are you selling the 10 figures for $3.00 or $3.00 each? Thanks for the clarification, Ben To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: YardMasterModels@... Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 13:05:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Population growth Hello A blatant sales ad, in C/W your layout, I have 10 figures new in the bags from AM 9 seated one standing for $3.00 if you can use them, Clearing out extras from the basement. Let me know. Thanks, Dave -----Original Message----- From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: S Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Jan 7, 2011 9:28 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Population growth I just added about 15 figures from Arttista and they look great. I have about 7 seated people for the ball park and a dz more coming from A&M. I ordered some more Arttista today also. Really ads allot to the layout. I finally been running some trains, uncoupling cars, etc. Really neat. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62920	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Great Train Movies ...The Train

Great choice Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Don Thompson <don@...> Sender: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 19:56:29 To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Great Train Movies ...The Train My favorite... Don http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059825/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62921	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Checkerboard Water Tower

I know. LOL I have come to the conclusion that something is up with the MTH water tube, as it is completely different with the AF originals, as I am not sure what is original and what is a repro, as I have five total water towers on the layout. the only one that does not bubble is the MTH, as I traded bulbs with other towers. So,, I await a reply of MTH. If any one has a MTH water tower, can you let me if your bubbles. And if so, does the tube at the end look like a reddish porous rock? Thanks. mike From: Bob Hendrickson Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 9:31 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: S Trains ; Toy Trains ; Steve Conard Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Checkerboard Water Tower Next you'll be serving crabby patties at the Frosty Bar Sent from my iPod On Jan 8, 2011, at 9:05 PM, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: > http://www.mthtrains.com/content/30-90129 > > I think I will replace my defective, I think, MTH tower with this one. > > LOL Just kidding. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62922	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2

Hi Mike,                   As long as that substance is there it should bubble.  The 430 bulb is correct. Plug it in let the bulb heat and after awhile tap it with a pencil and see if that gets it going. I used to visit my friends train shop[ he sold my towers and the MTH towers.  We were having problems with one of the MTH towers and we tapped the tube with a pencil and it started bubbling.                                            Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 8:08 PM   Hi Tom, Thanks as I did remove the bulb and put in a 430 bulb. It does not bubble. There is something in the tube, reddish white, but they do not move. Maybe it is stuck in a mass? let me try knocking this a bit. I did email MTH. Thanks. Mike From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:56 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 Hi Mike, � The correct bulb for heat is a #430 14 Volt Bulb. If you have an 18 Volt Bulb in the socket that will not generate enough hear. There should also be a rubber grommet in the bottom of the tank. If that is loose or missing that could cause a problem. In the bottom of the tube there should be some white crystals. I believe these heat and cause the tube to bubble. Turn the tower or tube upside down and see if the crystals move. If you don't see these crystals you may have an defective tube, My company Gilbert Reproductions reproduced these towers and I'm well aware how these work. The tubes that I used would bubble off the heat of your hand. My towers were made in the USA. Tom Seccia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62923	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/8/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2

Hi Mike,                       I can tell you for a fact, the liquid inside is not water.   Water when heated eventually will turn to steam and evaporate.                                                          Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 8:40 PM   Hi Tom. I was able to get the water tube out for the MTH Checkerboard tower and the bottom of the tube is like a 1/8 inch high reddish looking sponge in it. Not like a AF or AF repro. Like a brick nothing moves except water when turned upside down. I will await to hear from MTH. the worse that will happen I buy a repro tube with water, if they are still made. Thanks, as there is not much more I can do at this time. Mike From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:56 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 Hi Mike, � The correct bulb for heat is a #430 14 Volt Bulb. If you have an 18 Volt Bulb in the socket that will not generate enough hear. There should also be a rubber grommet in the bottom of the tank. If that is loose or missing that could cause a problem. In the bottom of the tube there should be some white crystals. I believe these heat and cause the tube to bubble. Turn the tower or tube upside down and see if the crystals move. If you don't see these crystals you may have an defective tube, My company Gilbert Reproductions reproduced these towers and I'm well aware how these work. The tubes that I used would bubble off the heat of your hand. My towers were made in the USA. Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62924	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: New Vendors

Don, this news is certainly better than expected. You, AM and the others are certainly urged to rectify this with a permanent solution. We look to you all for you products, services, ideas, and information that keeps us, your clientele, going. I don't know what I would have to offer other than as a customer, but if I can help in anyway, please let me know. A. E. Johnson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62925	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2

Thanks Tom, as I am not questioning the liquid inside. Something is just really weird with this tube. I will take a picture of this thing on the bottom that is solid and send it to you just to see. I think the thing I need to do is get a new repro at York in April and that will solve this problem. I have let this unit on for a long time as the others are bubbling away. I will tap it with a pencil and see what happens tomorrow. Thank you so much for all the replies, as I know this was many emails about these towers. I appreciate the help, Mike From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 10:45 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 Hi Mike, I can tell you for a fact, the liquid inside is not water. Water when heated eventually will turn to steam and evaporate. Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 8:40 PM Hi Tom. I was able to get the water tube out for the MTH Checkerboard tower and the bottom of the tube is like a 1/8 inch high reddish looking sponge in it. Not like a AF or AF repro. Like a brick nothing moves except water when turned upside down. I will await to hear from MTH. the worse that will happen I buy a repro tube with water, if they are still made. Thanks, as there is not much more I can do at this time. Mike From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:56 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 Hi Mike, � The correct bulb for heat is a #430 14 Volt Bulb. If you have an 18 Volt Bulb in the socket that will not generate enough hear. There should also be a rubber grommet in the bottom of the tank. If that is loose or missing that could cause a problem. In the bottom of the tube there should be some white crystals. I believe these heat and cause the tube to bubble. Turn the tower or tube upside down and see if the crystals move. If you don't see these crystals you may have an defective tube, My company Gilbert Reproductions reproduced these towers and I'm well aware how these work. The tubes that I used would bubble off the heat of your hand. My towers were made in the USA. Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62926	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2

That is not water in the tube it's Acetone in a vacum tube, and or Argon. When heated it bubbles...  Clayton --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 7:45 PM   Hi Mike,                       I can tell you for a fact, the liquid inside is not water.   Water when heated eventually will turn to steam and evaporate.                                                          Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 8:40 PM   Hi Tom. I was able to get the water tube out for the MTH Checkerboard tower and the bottom of the tube is like a 1/8 inch high reddish looking sponge in it. Not like a AF or AF repro. Like a brick nothing moves except water when turned upside down. I will await to hear from MTH. the worse that will happen I buy a repro tube with water, if they are still made. Thanks, as there is not much more I can do at this time. Mike From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:56 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 Hi Mike, � The correct bulb for heat is a #430 14 Volt Bulb. If you have an 18 Volt Bulb in the socket that will not generate enough hear. There should also be a rubber grommet in the bottom of the tank. If that is loose or missing that could cause a problem. In the bottom of the tube there should be some white crystals. I believe these heat and cause the tube to bubble. Turn the tower or tube upside down and see if the crystals move. If you don't see these crystals you may have an defective tube, My company Gilbert Reproductions reproduced these towers and I'm well aware how these work. The tubes that I used would bubble off the heat of your hand. My towers were made in the USA. Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62927	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2

Oh, sorry they do make new ones too. I have a new one, and I may still have the name of the man that makes them. Lit me check on it. As I think it's like under $20 with shipping..  Clayton --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 7:45 PM   Hi Mike,                       I can tell you for a fact, the liquid inside is not water.   Water when heated eventually will turn to steam and evaporate.                                                          Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 8:40 PM   Hi Tom. I was able to get the water tube out for the MTH Checkerboard tower and the bottom of the tube is like a 1/8 inch high reddish looking sponge in it. Not like a AF or AF repro. Like a brick nothing moves except water when turned upside down. I will await to hear from MTH. the worse that will happen I buy a repro tube with water, if they are still made. Thanks, as there is not much more I can do at this time. Mike From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:56 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 Hi Mike, � The correct bulb for heat is a #430 14 Volt Bulb. If you have an 18 Volt Bulb in the socket that will not generate enough hear. There should also be a rubber grommet in the bottom of the tank. If that is loose or missing that could cause a problem. In the bottom of the tube there should be some white crystals. I believe these heat and cause the tube to bubble. Turn the tower or tube upside down and see if the crystals move. If you don't see these crystals you may have an defective tube, My company Gilbert Reproductions reproduced these towers and I'm well aware how these work. The tubes that I used would bubble off the heat of your hand. My towers were made in the USA. Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62928	From: Robert	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi Mike,    I can tell you for a fact, the liquid inside is not water.   Water when heated eventually will turn to steam and evaporate. The liquid is an oil similar to that used in those lava lamps from way back when the "lava was a colored wax that would semi-liquefy when heated. Also back in the day there were Christmas lights that you would put on the tree that would "bubble" when heated. This I know cause one got broken one time and left an oily mess on the carpet. It makes sense that the water tower would have a similar liquid cause as stated before if it were water then it makes sense that it would boil and turn to steam. The pressure of the steam could cause the tube to burst.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62929	From: richs009	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2

As noted below, the tubes are filled with a low boiling point liquid. I'm not sure its Methylene Chloride - at least in new tubes - as this isn't something one wants consumers exposed to, should the tube break. However, methylene chloride does have about the right bp, 40 deg C (104 F). The 'crystals' (usually) in the bottom of the tube provide a surface area for formation of the gas phase - a chemist would call them boiling chips. Some of you may have X-mas lights called "bubble lights" - which are the same thing as these tubes (just shorter) - mine just went back into the attic last week. Those sometimes require a flick of the finger or tap with a pencil to start them to "bubble" (the liquid will sometimes 'superheat' - the mechanical shock starts the boiling process). Whatever the liquid is (its not water, the bp is too high), these are sealed tubes so the gas phase recondenses to liquid in the cooler part of the tube - nothing ever 'evaporates'. As has also been suggested, its also possible the bottom of the tube isn't close enough to light bulb to be heated properly - or the current drop in the bulb is too small. - Rich > Hi Mike, >                       I can tell you for a fact, the liquid inside is not water.   Water when heated eventually will turn to steam and evaporate. > > > Hi Mike, > > � The correct bulb for heat is a #430 14 Volt Bulb. If you have an 18 Volt Bulb in the socket that will not generate enough hear. There should also be a rubber grommet in the bottom of the tank. If that is loose or missing that could cause a problem. In the bottom of the tube there should be some white crystals. I believe these heat and cause the tube to bubble. Turn the tower or tube upside down and see if the crystals move. If you don't see these crystals you may have an defective tube, My company Gilbert Reproductions reproduced these towers and I'm well aware how these work. The tubes that I used would bubble off the heat of your hand. My towers were made in the USA. > > Tom Seccia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62930	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Model Train Magazine Index Returns

I just saw this on my CNJ modelers e-group. This great site has been down for a while, but seems to be up and running again. Don Model Train Magazine Index Returns Posted by: "Doug Kisala" dougkisala@... dougkisala Sat Jan 8, 2011 1:17 pm (PST) Hello list, I just did a test search on Kalmbach's Model Train Magazine Index, and it worked with no trouble. A lot of the steam engine plans for my favorite railroads are from years past, so I'm glad the index is back. Access to it is still free. To get to it, start with www.trains.com. At the bottom center of the page is a link to "Magazine Index." Click on that, and you can start searching. Doug Kisala [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62931	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Great Train Movies ...The Train

The only odd(?) thing about this movie was hearing German soldiers speaking "American or English" with a German accent. " I zink I heard zometing". Of course, what would one expect:-) ? Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) The only worse thing was visiting Berlin and watching a John Wayne film where he was speaking in dubbed German. On 1/9/2011 1:56 AM, Don Thompson wrote: > > My favorite... > Don > > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059825/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62932	From: Edward	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Bubbling Water take 2........NUTZ

HOLY COW.....Where does this info come from....As the Song goes Heres Your Sign... People......did you all skip out on yours Science classes.... Water in a confined space can Boil..YESSS...and when it does it EXPLODES...Dont believe me ....Go put an unopened can of soup on your stove elements and report back to me Next the Acetone posting....YIKES...Please dont bring your project to my neighbourhood....Acetone in a tube exposed to any heat source..IS A BOMB...Its Vapour point is right down there next to Propane... Now Argon is different....it has a pretty Red color to it ...most people have seen it in Neon tubing though...and its safe confined in a glass tube ...as for being in liquid form and exposed to the air you breath thats a whole new ballgame... I guess thats why we Firefighters always had our work waiting ......Until the next Bell Hits....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62933	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_light Jerry F. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of richs009 Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 11:50 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Bubbling Water take 2 As noted below, the tubes are filled with a low boiling point liquid. I'm not sure its Methylene Chloride - at least in new tubes - as this isn't something one wants consumers exposed to, should the tube break. However, methylene chloride does have about the right bp, 40 deg C (104 F). The 'crystals' (usually) in the bottom of the tube provide a surface area for formation of the gas phase - a chemist would call them boiling chips. Some of you may have X-mas lights called "bubble lights" - which are the same thing as these tubes (just shorter) - mine just went back into the attic last week. Those sometimes require a flick of the finger or tap with a pencil to start them to "bubble" (the liquid will sometimes 'superheat' - the mechanical shock starts the boiling process). Whatever the liquid is (its not water, the bp is too high), these are sealed tubes so the gas phase recondenses to liquid in the cooler part of the tube - nothing ever 'evaporates'. As has also been suggested, its also possible the bottom of the tube isn't close enough to light bulb to be heated properly - or the current drop in the bulb is too small. - Rich > Hi Mike, >                      I can tell you for a fact, the liquid inside is not water.  Water when heated eventually will turn to steam and evaporate. > > > Hi Mike, > > � The correct bulb for heat is a #430 14 Volt Bulb. If you have an 18 Volt Bulb in the socket that will not generate enough hear. There should also be a rubber grommet in the bottom of the tank. If that is loose or missing that could cause a problem. In the bottom of the tube there should be some white crystals. I believe these heat and cause the tube to bubble. Turn the tower or tube upside down and see if the crystals move. If you don't see these crystals you may have an defective tube, My company Gilbert Reproductions reproduced these towers and I'm well aware how these work. The tubes that I used would bubble off the heat of your hand. My towers were made in the USA. > > Tom Seccia > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62934	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2

Hi Clayton, � I sell the tubes.  PA12A384 Bubbling Tube with Red Tip $19.95 plus $5.00 S&H.  I am currently out of stock.  I must get more made. � Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 1/9/11, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 12:52 AM   Oh, sorry they do make new ones too. I have a new one, and I may still have the name of the man that makes them. Lit me check on it. As I think it's like under $20 with shipping.. Clayton --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 7:45 PM Hi Mike, I can tell you for a fact, the liquid inside is not water. Water when heated eventually will turn to steam and evaporate. Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 8:40 PM Hi Tom. I was able to get the water tube out for the MTH Checkerboard tower and the bottom of the tube is like a 1/8 inch high reddish looking sponge in it. Not like a AF or AF repro. Like a brick nothing moves except water when turned upside down. I will await to hear from MTH. the worse that will happen I buy a repro tube with water, if they are still made. Thanks, as there is not much more I can do at this time. Mike From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:56 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 Hi Mike, � The correct bulb for heat is a #430 14 Volt Bulb. If you have an 18 Volt Bulb in the socket that will not generate enough hear. There should also be a rubber grommet in the bottom of the tank. If that is loose or missing that could cause a problem. In the bottom of the tube there should be some white crystals. I believe these heat and cause the tube to bubble. Turn the tower or tube upside down and see if the crystals move. If you don't see these crystals you may have an defective tube, My company Gilbert Reproductions reproduced these towers and I'm well aware how these work. The tubes that I used would bubble off the heat of your hand. My towers were made in the USA. Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62935	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Great Train Movies ...The Train

There was dialogue? I was mostly focusing on the wonderful steam engines and railroad facilities... Don On Jan 9, 2011, at 6:26 AM, Rance and Bente wrote: > The only odd(?) thing about this movie was hearing German soldiers > speaking "American or English" with a German accent. " > > On 1/9/2011 1:56 AM, Don Thompson wrote: > > > > My favorite... > > Don > > > > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059825/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62936	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2

Or just plain alcohol. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 9, 2011 3:04 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 That is not water in the tube it's Acetone in a vacum tube, and or Argon. When heated it bubbles... Clayton --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 7:45 PM Hi Mike, I can tell you for a fact, the liquid inside is not water. Water when heated eventually will turn to steam and evaporate. Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 8:40 PM Hi Tom. I was able to get the water tube out for the MTH Checkerboard tower and the bottom of the tube is like a 1/8 inch high reddish looking sponge in it. Not like a AF or AF repro. Like a brick nothing moves except water when turned upside down. I will await to hear from MTH. the worse that will happen I buy a repro tube with water, if they are still made. Thanks, as there is not much more I can do at this time. Mike From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:56 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 Hi Mike, � The correct bulb for heat is a #430 14 Volt Bulb. If you have an 18 Volt Bulb in the socket that will not generate enough hear. There should also be a rubber grommet in the bottom of the tank. If that is loose or missing that could cause a problem. In the bottom of the tube there should be some white crystals. I believe these heat and cause the tube to bubble. Turn the tower or tube upside down and see if the crystals move. If you don't see these crystals you may have an defective tube, My company Gilbert Reproductions reproduced these towers and I'm well aware how these work. The tubes that I used would bubble off the heat of your hand. My towers were made in the USA. Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>; wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62937	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Bubbling Water Tower revisited part 3

When I wrote about my tube problem, I refer the word water to what the tank is called, Checkerboard Water Tower, as I never knew what was inside these tubes. Thanks for the additional information on inside the tube. Interesting. I did scan this MTH tube and sent the scan to several on the list. It will be interesting what anyone has to say. Someone who is a O gauger said that MTH made the tube this way, but it should bubble. This is what he wrote, as he might be right but then he might be wrong. Just sharing with you all what comment I got from him. I will let this tube on in the tower for 15 minutes to see if it bubbles later! Mike That porous material is the super saturated crystal, I believe. All bubble tubes have that - some more than others. Try my suggestions in the previous email to get the heat level up - that usually works. You should also check with Dr. Joe. He will be able to explain the physical/chemical principle behind the bubbling tube and possibly suggest other things you might try to get your bubble tube to do its thing....... In fact, a simple question to the TTML would be in order, i.e., "The bubble tube in my water tower does not bubble. Can anyone explain what causes this bubbling action and what I can do to get it to work reliably? " I'll bet you get some interesting responses!......... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62938	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: New Vendors

Amen, to what Mr. Johnson said! We need SHS and if there is something that a non-expert train guy can do to help SHS and American Models and Des Plaines hobbies to do better, please let the members of this group know so we can volunteer to help. Tom Detmer Madison, WI On 1/8/2011 9:51 PM, A. E. Johnson wrote: > > Don, this news is certainly better than expected. You, AM and the > others are > certainly urged to rectify this with a permanent solution. We look to you > all for you products, services, ideas, and information that keeps us, your > clientele, going. I don't know what I would have to offer other than as a > customer, but if I can help in anyway, please let me know. > > A. E. Johnson > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62939	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: NEEDED: AF Baldwin Nose

My Friends in S, I'm working on another critter like my Brutus. I need a hood! Does any one have an AF Baldwin hood with the front (nose) section usable that might like a new home? I'd like the front 2.5" to 3" (between the forward and 2nd stack) of the hood. I don't need the foot boards or front pilot & steps. THNX, Don Munsey, Jr Living in UpperRigthCorner of Louisiana USA fmg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62940	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: MTH Checkeboard Water Tower Good News

Okay, I left the water towers on and I checked back and the MTH water tower is bubbling. When I was checking on this the AF tubes started to bubble real quick,but not the MTH. MTH new design takes a bit longer to get warmed up, like maybe 10 to 15 minutes or longer. This all came about due to my inexperience in running my trains, as I spent most of my time building the layout. Now I am getting into the actually running of things and it just seemed strange that the MTH tower was not bubbling. It works but it takes a bit longer to warm up. Thanks for all those on the S list who responded as I know I sent in many emails about this yesterday. Problem solved on both water tower questions, as the one with the AF tube popping out was due to the tube not being tight in the base. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62941	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Bubble Lights

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_light After I figure out the MTH Tower needs more time to bubble, someone, a O friend sent me this link on bubble lights, how they where developed, etc.. thought it might be interesting to read, since they are used in S products. Thanks again for putting up with me on this quest to find out what was going on. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62942	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Model Train Magazine Index Returns

What's even better, a lot of those old plans are in S scale, too! (if you're lucky enough to have access to a good library of mags) Please note: message attached From: Don Thompson <don@...> To: S Train e-group <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, e-group <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Cc: e_group <showcaseline@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Model Train Magazine Index Returns Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 07:20:08 -0500 ____________________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62943	From: starr007@flash.net	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Front coupler for 4-8-4 (336 etc ) engine

Does anyone have any ideas on how to mount a front coupler on a 4-8-4 (336 etc. )engine? Any ideas would be Greatly appreciated, Thanks, Sincerely, J.R. Starr

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62944	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Arrrghhh!!

ABSOLUTELY one of the biggest benefits of off-shore manufacture. You learn to be patient. Jim Lyle In a message dated 1/8/2011 11:23:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, navmedguy@... writes: April! ...April!! Really!??! I have to wait until APRIL (or longer) for my AF U33C Legacy with exhaust directional headlights electrocouplers and more??? This is intolerable. .............sigh......... Anyone have inside info on whether we'll *really* see this engine in April? ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62945	From: Coopers	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Hobby shops in Orlando and Miami

Good Afternoon and Happy New Year Everyone It is snowing in Dallas today - would be nice to be visiting S. FL today. For anyone that has an interest in RC (planes, boats, Cars), Graves Hobby in Orlando is a great source. They have a website and you can place orders accordingly. The store is great with wide selections and plenty of knowledgeable folks to help. http://www.gravesrc.com/ FYI Best Regards to all, Art Cooper Richardson, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: Raul Catta To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: rcatta@... Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 3:05 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Hobby shops in Orlando and Miami I'll be next week in Orlando and Miami FL. Can you tell me if there's any hobby shop, with American Flyer or Flyonel in those cities or in between, cause I'll be driving from Orlando to Miami? I know Ready to Roll in Miami and Mark Preman was in Orlando but the new owner of "americanflyertrains" is in Baltimore. Thanks for the information Raul Catta Buenos Aires Argentina [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62946	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Upcoming Events in Lancaster Co, PA

Saturday Jan 15th Keystone Div of Train Collectors Assoc will hold their WINTER Toy Train Swap Meet & Sale at St Philips R C Church, corner of PA Rts 999 & 741 in Millersville, PA. Opens 9 AM til 1 PM, , $ 4.00 Adult Admission charged, kids 12 & under admitted FREE. In addition to trains of all ages and gauges for sale, their will be a large operating layout, Kids Ride On train, lots of GOOD FOOD by the Church Men's Groups, door prizes, also. FREE Parking TCA members contact _rontrain@..._ (mailto:rontrain@...) for tables Saturdays Jan 15 & 22, Sundays Jan 16 & 23, the Paradise TRI-Centennial Committee will be sponsoring the Pequea Valley Model Railroaders LARGE American Flyer Train layout at the Paradise Twp Office Bldg,.2 Township Dr, Paradise, PA. ( RT 30 EAST of RR Bridge). Layout will be open from 1 PM til 4:30 PM each day, asking for a $2.00 donation for adults, Kids 12 & under FREE. LOTS of buttons to push, horns and whistles to blow, cows to move, lights to light, etc. Trains will be running, as will a trolley, THOMAS, a kid-controlled train, etc. The first weekend will feature a "summer" layout, the second weekend "winter" will arrive with snow, ice skaters, etc. This is the first event planned by the TRI-Cen Committee, culminating in celebrations scheduled for 2012. Orders also will be taken for the NEW Afghan. Volunteers are still welcome to join in the planning. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62947	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: K-Line trucks

I purchased a new-in-box K-Line S Gauge Penn Salt tank car at the Great Train Expo in Indianapolis today. When I got home and opened it up, I found that it had O gauge trucks, despite the markings on the box. Has anyone else run into this with a K-Line car? I suppose I could replace the trucks with SHS trucks, bu that is going to cost more than I paid for the car. Vic Bereskin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62948	From: rapidrail1	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: New Vendors

This sounds like a good possibility. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote: > > > I was just going to ask the same question. I also was wondering if SHS has approached MTH to consummate an agreement to have them make their trains for them? I know Mike now makes all Lionel's pre-war trains. He has all gauges except "S". Just a thought. > > Harwood > > > > Subject: [S-Trains] New Vendors > > > > > Does anyone know if Showcase and Am have been able to find new vendors for > their cars, engines and tack systems? About the mid-point of last year, it > was posted that their Chinese vendor had cut them out. It was stated that > they would try to find new vendors. Have our people been successful in > locating new vendors? > > I thought I saw where someone had indicated that when their existing > inventory was depleted, they would have to find another business endeavor. I > really hate that. We are so dependent on them for ideas, as well as their > quality products and services. This has the potential of making all of us > soles dependent on Lionel, I would like other options. > > A. E. Johnson > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62949	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/9/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday January 9, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62950	From: Gale Hall	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Looking for

Evening list. I need a pair of end railings and steps for an AF 1060 Milwaukee Road steel caboose 6-48715 or for the GN version. Thanks gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62951	From: Ben	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: AF vs. Lionel- the E-unit game

I finally got through the boxes of stuff from Lynn's cousin. What a haul! I got everything running- the 1933 Lionel 259E needed cleaning and lubrication in all the right places. The E-unit clicks like it is brand new. I never touched it. Perfect design. The AF 315, 343, and 360 locos also are running- but the 343's E-unit is sticky. Both the 315 and 360 E-units WERE sticky as could be and took a lot of fiddling to get them cycling reliably. No contest- Lionel KILLED AF in the reverse unit game.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62952	From: Dave Bellian	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: AF vs. Lionel- the E-unit game

For Sale to the group, a lot of Lehigh Valley kits. Mack coal truck, Brownhoist crane, Trans.on platform, Ice Truck, J. H. Jones Coal company Coal loader, water tank, and a built up gantry crane assembled. and painted gray. Full lot $125 plus some shipping, to be determined and reasonable offers considered Thanks, Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62953	From: Ben	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: 343 E-Unit info requested

I have a 343 with a sticky e-unit. It is not the drum type R-unit that I am used to. It is a 3 position unit that sticks out the back of the cab and then a plastic "curtain" covers it. How does one lube/clean this particular E-unit design? I spray plastic-safe contact cleaner on the drum type units with great results- this usually takes care of the problems. I do not know where to look to clean up the "newer" E-unit design. Any tips out there? Thanks! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62954	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Front coupler on 4-8-4 (336) engine

Portlines used to offer a conversion to double head Fler steam locos, which would give yo and operable front coupler "kit bash" right out of the package. However, I don't recall it being designed to work with the 4-8-4, so check with Doug about that. However, one of the resaons Flyer never made a working front coupler available for most steamers was that engines were so long. The 4-8-4 is especailly tough because on regular Flyer curves the front and rear of the boiler shell have pretty serious overhang, in some cases enough to wipe out trackside items if they are too close. Anything the front of the loco is coupled to will therefore be pulled out of alignment and derailed. I'm not saying it can't be done! Lord knows I've done some pretty unique kitbashes out of junk box locos. But you're going to have to use a drawvar arrangement with a couple mounted to the end. Finding the best location for a pivot point under the front of the locomotive so that the locos will not be pulled at a bad angle on curves and derailing them will be tough. Just bolting it to the pilot deck will be a problem for this reason. Once you decide where the pivot will be (the best would be just in front of the lead driving wheel) you'll find that the leading truck pivot is already in the way. This is a project where I would ask myself; "Is this really a good idea? Can I afford to risk ruining a collectable locomotive? How much kitbashing and scratch building am I prepared to do?" Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62955	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: 343 E-Unit info requested

Clean all parts. Do Not lube with oil, but a dry lube. There is a pawl that is rotated by the weight of the reverse unit. If it still hangs up a bit of lead added to it might help. They sell lead with adhesive backing at hobby (Train) shops. Mike In a message dated 1/9/2011 4:45:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, lbstiles@... writes: I have a 343 with a sticky e-unit. It is not the drum type R-unit that I am used to. It is a 3 position unit that sticks out the back of the cab and then a plastic "curtain" covers it. How does one lube/clean this particular E-unit design? I spray plastic-safe contact cleaner on the drum type units with great results- this usually takes care of the problems. I do not know where to look to clean up the "newer" E-unit design. Any tips out there? Thanks! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62956	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Great Train Movies

Hearing John Wayne dubbed in German can't be much worse that those old Japanese "Godzilla" films dubbed to English! Yep, "The Train" is a goodie, but my favorite remains to be "Emporer of the North" with Lee Marvin and Ernest Borgnine. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62957	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Oops!

Well, it's obvious I didn't "spell check" my message about a front coupler for the #336 engine. I guess I shouldn't drink beer and watch TV at the same time as posting to the Group! Well, actually, I just got in too much of a hurry. Just ask the folks on Sunday night "Chat" how bad I get with my fat fingers! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62958	From: rj4010d	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Front coupler on 4-8-4 (336) engine

Somewhere on one of the S site's there is a printable diagram that shows the outline of where to cut a thin piece of metal that you bend in the correct places & it just slips up under the front truck ,bend the tabs & bingo you can double head 4-8-4 ,hudson, K-5, no modfication to engine at all.The latest issue of the S Gaugian, Jim Z. who is on the cover came up with this idea years ago.It is for Knuckle Couple only. Bob Guckian Eaton ,Oh P.S. Some shots of doudleheading on CARTRAIN1 site on you tube --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Portlines used to offer a conversion to double head Fler steam locos, which would give yo and operable front coupler "kit bash" right out of the package. However, I don't recall it being designed to work with the 4-8-4, so check with Doug about that. > However, one of the resaons Flyer never made a working front coupler available for most steamers was that engines were so long. The 4-8-4 is especailly tough because on regular Flyer curves the front and rear of the boiler shell have pretty serious overhang, in some cases enough to wipe out trackside items if they are too close. > Anything the front of the loco is coupled to will therefore be pulled out of alignment and derailed. > I'm not saying it can't be done! Lord knows I've done some pretty unique kitbashes out of junk box locos. But you're going to have to use a drawvar arrangement with a couple mounted to the end. Finding the best location for a pivot point under the front of the locomotive so that the locos will not be pulled at a bad angle on curves and derailing them will be tough. Just bolting it to the pilot deck will be a problem for this reason. > Once you decide where the pivot will be (the best would be just in front of the lead driving wheel) you'll find that the leading truck pivot is already in the way. > This is a project where I would ask myself; "Is this really a good idea? Can I afford to risk ruining a collectable locomotive? How much kitbashing and scratch building am I prepared to do?" > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Ahia. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62959	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Great Train Movies

One of my favorites is a "sleeper" to most folks: Fools Parade with Jimmy Stewart and George Kennedy. Jeff Madden [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62960	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: layout on Blog

http://www.1stopdiecast.com/ Some of my pictures of my layout are this blog, featuring M2 cars that I got from this dealer. I did give him permission to use the pictures. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62961	From: Edward	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Great Train Movies ...##########################

Well since there has been a lot of other Movie titles come forward since I posted my Original question ...I have to toss another one out that I thought was my second choice....Von Ryans Express..with Ol Blue Eyes....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62962	From: Ben	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Any Amtrak Fans?

Yesterday at the train room open house at the local retirement community, I was given (reluctantly) a box of Amtrak calendars and pictures. The pics are framed. The calendars are wall hanging posters. A quick look just revealed they range from the late 1990's into early 2000's. Anyone interested in these? They are yours if you pay shipping. If not- I will try to give them away at the next local train show. Thanks! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62963	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2

Here is a photo of the one I have in my parts that I will use to replace the one bubbling tube I have if I break it.  Clayton --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 8:15 PM   Thanks Tom, as I am not questioning the liquid inside. Something is just really weird with this tube. I will take a picture of this thing on the bottom that is solid and send it to you just to see. I think the thing I need to do is get a new repro at York in April and that will solve this problem. I have let this unit on for a long time as the others are bubbling away. I will tap it with a pencil and see what happens tomorrow. Thank you so much for all the replies, as I know this was many emails about these towers. I appreciate the help, Mike From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 10:45 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 Hi Mike, I can tell you for a fact, the liquid inside is not water. Water when heated eventually will turn to steam and evaporate. Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 8:40 PM Hi Tom. I was able to get the water tube out for the MTH Checkerboard tower and the bottom of the tube is like a 1/8 inch high reddish looking sponge in it. Not like a AF or AF repro. Like a brick nothing moves except water when turned upside down. I will await to hear from MTH. the worse that will happen I buy a repro tube with water, if they are still made. Thanks, as there is not much more I can do at this time. Mike From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:56 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 Hi Mike, � The correct bulb for heat is a #430 14 Volt Bulb. If you have an 18 Volt Bulb in the socket that will not generate enough hear. There should also be a rubber grommet in the bottom of the tank. If that is loose or missing that could cause a problem. In the bottom of the tube there should be some white crystals. I believe these heat and cause the tube to bubble. Turn the tower or tube upside down and see if the crystals move. If you don't see these crystals you may have an defective tube, My company Gilbert Reproductions reproduced these towers and I'm well aware how these work. The tubes that I used would bubble off the heat of your hand. My towers were made in the USA. Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62964	From: Obie Bell	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Great Train Movies

Two of my favorites "Fried Green Tomatoes" and "This Property is Condemned" Obie Bell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62965	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: layout on Blog

The pictures and a little bit about the pictures are on his blog are under January 5, 2011. Mike Marmer From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 9:16 PM To: S Trains ; S Scale ; Toy Trains ; Steve Conard Subject: layout on Blog http://www.1stopdiecast.com/ Some of my pictures of my layout are this blog, featuring M2 cars that I got from this dealer. I did give him permission to use the pictures. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62966	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2

No, acetone. I found out the hard way. The smell is just like fingernail polish remover. Also dryes up fast with no oily mess.�The man I talked to told me that the tub is filled with acetone, and with it being in an argon chamber he melts the glass end with out setting the acetone off. �Clayton --- On Sun, 1/9/11, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote: From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 7:26 AM   Or just plain alcohol. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 9, 2011 3:04 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 That is not water in the tube it's Acetone in a vacum tube, and or Argon. When heated it bubbles... Clayton --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 7:45 PM Hi Mike, I can tell you for a fact, the liquid inside is not water. Water when heated eventually will turn to steam and evaporate. Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 8:40 PM Hi Tom. I was able to get the water tube out for the MTH Checkerboard tower and the bottom of the tube is like a 1/8 inch high reddish looking sponge in it. Not like a AF or AF repro. Like a brick nothing moves except water when turned upside down. I will await to hear from MTH. the worse that will happen I buy a repro tube with water, if they are still made. Thanks, as there is not much more I can do at this time. Mike From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:56 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 Hi Mike, � The correct bulb for heat is a #430 14 Volt Bulb. If you have an 18 Volt Bulb in the socket that will not generate enough hear. There should also be a rubber grommet in the bottom of the tank. If that is loose or missing that could cause a problem. In the bottom of the tube there should be some white crystals. I believe these heat and cause the tube to bubble. Turn the tower or tube upside down and see if the crystals move. If you don't see these crystals you may have an defective tube, My company Gilbert Reproductions reproduced these towers and I'm well aware how these work. The tubes that I used would bubble off the heat of your hand. My towers were made in the USA. Tom Seccia --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>; wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62967	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 1/9/2011
Subject: Re: Bubbling Water take 2

The most likely fluid used in these tubes is methylene chloride, an organic solvent with similar uses to acetone. Check on Wikipedia under bubble lights Sent from my iPod On Jan 9, 2011, at 9:44 PM, clayton deich <uvl97222@...> wrote: > No, acetone. I found out the hard way. The smell is just like fingernail polish remover. Also dryes up fast with no oily mess. The man I talked to told me that the tub is filled with acetone, and with it being in an argon chamber he melts the glass end with out setting the acetone off. > Clayton > > --- On Sun, 1/9/11, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote: > > From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 7:26 AM > >  > > Or just plain alcohol. > > Harwood > > -----Original Message----- > > From: clayton deich <uvl97222@...> > > To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sun, Jan 9, 2011 3:04 am > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 > > That is not water in the tube it's Acetone in a vacum tube, and or Argon. When heated it bubbles... > > Clayton > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 7:45 PM > > Hi Mike, > > I can tell you for a fact, the liquid inside is not water. Water when heated eventually will turn to steam and evaporate. > > Tom Seccia > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 8:40 PM > > Hi Tom. > > I was able to get the water tube out for the MTH Checkerboard tower and the bottom of the tube is like a 1/8 inch high reddish looking sponge in it. Not like a AF or AF repro. Like a brick nothing moves except water when turned upside down. > > I will await to hear from MTH. > > the worse that will happen I buy a repro tube with water, if they are still made. > > Thanks, as there is not much more I can do at this time. > > Mike > > From: Sheila Seccia > > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:56 PM > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bubbling Water take 2 > > Hi Mike, > > � The correct bulb for heat is a #430 14 Volt Bulb. If you have an 18 Volt Bulb in the socket that will not generate enough hear. There should also be a rubber grommet in the bottom of the tank. If that is loose or missing that could cause a problem. In the bottom of the tube there should be some white crystals. I believe these heat and cause the tube to bubble. Turn the tower or tube upside down and see if the crystals move. If you don't see these crystals you may have an defective tube, My company Gilbert Reproductions reproduced these towers and I'm well aware how these work. The tubes that I used would bubble off the heat of your hand. My towers were made in the USA. > > Tom Seccia > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>; wrote: > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62968	From: Ben	Date: 1/10/2011
Subject: Crosshead Assembly needed

Does anyone have a junked 312AC or 315 locomotive sitting around? (the same part can also be found on a 314AW, but those can't be junked!) One of rhe rivets on the fireman's side linkage on my 315 broke. I am sure it is repairable, but I am thinking that a new assembly would work well, too. I plan to remove it at some point to see if I can get a small threaded screw and nut on there to replace it if I can't find a full replacement assembly. The number listed is XA10668R-L which is different than the same part on the 312 and 310 series. Thanks! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62969	From: workinalure	Date: 1/10/2011
Subject: Re: Hobby shops in Orlando and Miami

Better call Colonial before you go. I was there at Christmas and they had NO S at all! Mark B. Preman > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62970	From: Miller, Scott	Date: 1/10/2011
Subject: Re: Front coupler on 4-8-4 (336) engine

If someone can find these diagrams, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Scott Miller Technician and Electrician of the Tampa Bay Toy Train Museum From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rj4010d Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 8:38 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:Front coupler on 4-8-4 (336) engine Somewhere on one of the S site's there is a printable diagram that shows the outline of where to cut a thin piece of metal that you bend in the correct places & it just slips up under the front truck ,bend the tabs & bingo you can double head 4-8-4 ,hudson, K-5, no modfication to engine at all.The latest issue of the S Gaugian, Jim Z. who is on the cover came up with this idea years ago.It is for Knuckle Couple only. Bob Guckian Eaton ,Oh P.S. Some shots of doudleheading on CARTRAIN1 site on you tube --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Portlines used to offer a conversion to double head Fler steam locos, which would give yo and operable front coupler "kit bash" right out of the package. However, I don't recall it being designed to work with the 4-8-4, so check with Doug about that. > However, one of the resaons Flyer never made a working front coupler available for most steamers was that engines were so long. The 4-8-4 is especailly tough because on regular Flyer curves the front and rear of the boiler shell have pretty serious overhang, in some cases enough to wipe out trackside items if they are too close. > Anything the front of the loco is coupled to will therefore be pulled out of alignment and derailed. > I'm not saying it can't be done! Lord knows I've done some pretty unique kitbashes out of junk box locos. But you're going to have to use a drawvar arrangement with a couple mounted to the end. Finding the best location for a pivot point under the front of the locomotive so that the locos will not be pulled at a bad angle on curves and derailing them will be tough. Just bolting it to the pilot deck will be a problem for this reason. > Once you decide where the pivot will be (the best would be just in front of the lead driving wheel) you'll find that the leading truck pivot is already in the way. > This is a project where I would ask myself; "Is this really a good idea? Can I afford to risk ruining a collectable locomotive? How much kitbashing and scratch building am I prepared to do?" > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Ahia. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62971	From: Timboy	Date: 1/10/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Hi Gents! I spent the morning up to my elbows in "oatmeal". It's coming along. However, there is one part of this mountain that needs - something. I would like your input. You'll find pics and details of my concern at: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ Have a look if you would like. I'm open to all good suggestions. Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62972	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 1/10/2011
Subject: Problems with our listings?

The last several posts are coming out blank on my computer. Is it my computer, or are others having the same problems? Thanks, Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62973	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 1/10/2011
Subject: "S"acto Convention Online Shopping Cart

Gentlemen... The 2011 joint NASG/NMRA annual convention in Sacramento, California is explained in detail at: http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html The time is almost here when the X2011W online shopping cart will become available for ordering hotel rooms, tours, banquet tickets, S convention cars, and so forth. I expect to see some activity in this area within a week or two. So keep your eyes peeled. You might want to sign up for an RSS FEED which will automatically send you email announcements of news and/or changes on the web site. The opportunity to sign up for various events will be offered in batches via email so that early registrants will get first crack at signing up for activities. The first batch of emails will be sent to those who registered prior to the NMRA convention in Hartford in 2009. After a short time, similar emails will be sent to those who registered between the Hartford and Milwaukee NMRA convention in 2010. The next batch of emails will be sent to those who registered after the Milwaukee convention this past summer. Thus the early birds will now get their reward for registering early. This would be a good time to check with the X2011W web site to make sure they have your correct email address. If the email address on file with them is incorrect, you might not be notified of the opportunity to sign up for tours, etc. With the online shopping cart system, your credit card will be needed. If you prefer to mail in a check instead of using a credit card, you can do so (to the Registrar) but keep in mind that an event or product might become sold out while your check is in transit. Using the online system assures you that you will get what you order without fail. If an event is already sold out, the online shopping cart will not allow you to purchase a ticket. Acting promptly using the online system is the easiest and best way to sign up for all the activities you really want. For folks enthused about S, the NASG banquet will be a very special event designed just for us. It will be held in the roundhouse of the California State Railroad Museum (CSRM) in the evening after the general public has departed. A musical revue performance orchestrated by the Hubba-Hubba organization of San Francisco will follow dinner. If music and comedy are not your thing, you are free to wander among museum exhibits during the show without the hassle of large crowds. An intimate visit with your favorite steam locomotive is possible. The NASG Roundhouse Revue and BBQ Too! should be a memorable event for everyone. Not cheap, but worth every penny. Every nickel, too! You may buy NASG banquet tickets for your wife and/or children and/or friends even if they have not registered for the X2011W convention. It is possible for one convention registrant (you!) to purchase several tickets for your immediate family and good friends. Simply specify the quantity you want when signing up via the online shopping cart. See you in "S"acto.. Ed Loizeaux [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62974	From: gil henke	Date: 1/10/2011
Subject: Draw bar for double-heading 4-8-4 Northerns

Port Lines Hobby Supplies has a connectiing strip for double-heading Hudsons & Northerns on the right side of their home page. Scroll down to the bottom of that side. Gil Henke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62975	From: Bruce	Date: 1/10/2011
Subject: Re: Hobby shops in Orlando and Miami

I used to live in Orlando back in the 70's. There were several shops in the area, one in particular called Southern Model Railway and Traction, that had a lot of S gauge--I bought many engines, cars, accessories from them, including a 484/5/6 freight set. Unfortunately, the gentleman ran into a problem with his "son" being undocumented and apparently had to flee the country. I heard he has since passed away. There was a time when Colonial Photo and Hobby Supply had a decent amount of S gauge. In fact, I bought a good number of cars and accessories from them at the time when I lived there back in the 70's. In recent visits back to Orlando from where I now reside (in the Northwest) and as recently as last May, they had absolutely no S gauge and very little Lionel (which you used to always be able to find in abundance, compared to American Flyer). Mark is right. It would behoove you to call first. In this day and age of on line sales and Ebay auctions, American Flyer has basically dried up in the hobby shops. Bruce DeGailler, Sr. From: workinalure Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 5:25 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Hobby shops in Orlando and Miami Better call Colonial before you go. I was there at Christmas and they had NO S at all! Mark B. Preman > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62976	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/10/2011
Subject: Re: Problems with our listings?

I can read all of the blankity-blank listings. Have you restarted your computer lately? Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ruth A Leahy Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 12:43 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Problems with our listings? The last several posts are coming out blank on my computer. Is it my computer, or are others having the same problems? Thanks, Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62977	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/10/2011
Subject: Re: Great train movies

Okay, how about "Union Pacific" with Barbara Stanwyck in 1940? Or maybe "Denver & Rio Grande" with Edmond O'Brien in 1953? Danger Lights" with Robert Armstrong in 1930? Here's one that rarely plays on TV these days: "Terror on a Train" with Glenn Ford, a British picture made in the early fifties. I love those old railroad movies with lots of steam locomotives. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62978	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/10/2011
Subject: Front coupler on 4-8-4 (336)

By all means, use the Portlines set up. It's basic, it works fine, and it's inexpensive. However, if you want to engineer one using the plans, that's fine too. If you have never done anything like this, following plans or buying a "kit" is best. I have seen some engines cobbled badly attempting to double head. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62979	From: Robert	Date: 1/10/2011
Subject: Re: Great Train Movies

Did anybody mention Silver Streak? Union Pacific?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62980	From: Robert	Date: 1/10/2011
Subject: Re: Great Train Movies

Another though maybe not great but is a good one. Another WWII flick. The Casablanca Express

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62981	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 1/11/2011
Subject: FW: X2011 Housing is Open

Gents..When I clicked on the link, it took a l-o-n-g time to come up. Be patient. I was able to make a 4-night reservation at the primary hotel. Good luck..Ed L. From: X2011West Convention [mailto:x2011west@...] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 9:17 PM Cc: recipient list not shown: Subject: X2011 Housing is Open One of the benefits of registering early for the NMRA convention is the first shot at making hotel reservations. Housing has opened and effective today, Monday January 10, anyone who registered by the end of the Hartford convention in 2009 has a five day jump on anyone else to make hotel reservations. No forms to print and mail in. It is all online. Just click this link: <https://resweb.passkey.com/Resweb.do?mode=welcome_ei_new&eventID=3214110> X2011 Hotel Reservation Most convention events will take place in the Sacramento Convention Center. There are two hotels currently under contract, the Grand Sheraton and the Hyatt Regency. The Sheraton is the actual HQ hotel and is located across the street from the Sacramento Convention Center. The Hyatt Regency is just one block away. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62982	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 1/11/2011
Subject: X2011 Housing is Open for the 2011 NASG Convention

Gentlemen.. Now is the time to act if you registered prior to the Hartford NMRA convention. Have fun.Ed Loizeaux ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------- One of the benefits of registering early for the NMRA convention is the first shot at making hotel reservations. Housing has opened and effective today, Monday January 10, anyone who registered by the end of the Hartford convention in 2009 has a five day jump on anyone else to make hotel reservations. No forms to print and mail in. It is all online. Just click this link: <https://resweb.passkey.com/Resweb.do?mode=welcome_ei_new&eventID=3214110> X2011 Hotel Reservation Most convention events will take place in the Sacramento Convention Center. There are two hotels currently under contract, the Grand Sheraton and the Hyatt Regency. The Sheraton is the actual HQ hotel and is located across the street from the Sacramento Convention Center. The Hyatt Regency is just one block away. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62983	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/11/2011
Subject: AF Lionel engine smoke

I received this from a O gauge friend, as I assume this is a AF Lionel item. I believe he can have the 2nd charge of 35 taken off his credit card since Lionel made the first error. But the unit does not smoke overall. Any comments on this? Mike Mike, I bought one of the Fylonel (??) 4-8-4's about 2years ago, cab #261. It was a coule years old then, still NIB. On my portable layout I told you about earlier, I have an outside loop of Std gauge which runs a Lionel #385 & the peacock 300 series coaches. Inside that loop is one of S gauge, used to run a #322 w/660 aluminum coaches. I wanted to run a freight set of all the accumulated KC frts I had so I got the bigger new steam engine for that purpose. Fom minit one, it would not puff smoke, I could smell it and squinting hard as it looped, I could see an occasional wisp. Figgered the smoke element to be bad, called Lionel who informed me they didnt warranty service things they didnt make (???) but he would send me a smoke element. Looked simple enuff so I went for it. $35.00 & postage on my CC, that turned out to be a mistake. Unit came, obviously a used one, I called back & complained, he said he would get me a new one out immediately, just keep the first one. Second new one came with receipt for another $35.00 & postage. Couldnt find anything wrong with the original, the used replacement or the new new one, all had continuity. And I am in $70.00 & postage. Put the new new one it, still no smoke, but as before, I can smell it & see an occasional whisp....... Your comment/advice??? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62984	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 1/11/2011
Subject: Re: AF Lionel engine smoke

Other than the Lionel goof not much to say but here is a fix for the smoke unit. http://www.tuveson.com/NorthernSmoke/improving_the_smoke.htm Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 10:58 AM To: S Trains Cc: P. J. Heck Subject: [S-Trains] AF Lionel engine smoke I received this from a O gauge friend, as I assume this is a AF Lionel item. I believe he can have the 2nd charge of 35 taken off his credit card since Lionel made the first error. But the unit does not smoke overall. Any comments on this? Mike Mike, I bought one of the Fylonel (??) 4-8-4's about 2years ago, cab #261. It was a coule years old then, still NIB. On my portable layout I told you about earlier, I have an outside loop of Std gauge which runs a Lionel #385 & the peacock 300 series coaches. Inside that loop is one of S gauge, used to run a #322 w/660 aluminum coaches. I wanted to run a freight set of all the accumulated KC frts I had so I got the bigger new steam engine for that purpose. Fom minit one, it would not puff smoke, I could smell it and squinting hard as it looped, I could see an occasional wisp. Figgered the smoke element to be bad, called Lionel who informed me they didnt warranty service things they didnt make (???) but he would send me a smoke element. Looked simple enuff so I went for it. $35.00 & postage on my CC, that turned out to be a mistake. Unit came, obviously a used one, I called back & complained, he said he would get me a new one out immediately, just keep the first one. Second new one came with receipt for another $35.00 & postage. Couldnt find anything wrong with the original, the used replacement or the new new one, all had continuity. And I am in $70.00 & postage. Put the new new one it, still no smoke, but as before, I can smell it & see an occasional whisp....... Your comment/advice??? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62985	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/11/2011
Subject: Re: AF Lionel engine smoke

Thank you Carl, as I am not into Lionel AF products so this is new to me. I will make sure my friend gets your link. Thank you! Mike From: carl@... Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:10 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: P. J. Heck Subject: RE: [S-Trains] AF Lionel engine smoke Other than the Lionel goof not much to say but here is a fix for the smoke unit. http://www.tuveson.com/NorthernSmoke/improving_the_smoke.htm Carl -----Original Message----- From: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 10:58 AM To: S Trains Cc: P. J. Heck Subject: [S-Trains] AF Lionel engine smoke I received this from a O gauge friend, as I assume this is a AF Lionel item. I believe he can have the 2nd charge of 35 taken off his credit card since Lionel made the first error. But the unit does not smoke overall. Any comments on this? Mike Mike, I bought one of the Fylonel (??) 4-8-4's about 2years ago, cab #261. It was a coule years old then, still NIB. On my portable layout I told you about earlier, I have an outside loop of Std gauge which runs a Lionel #385 & the peacock 300 series coaches. Inside that loop is one of S gauge, used to run a #322 w/660 aluminum coaches. I wanted to run a freight set of all the accumulated KC frts I had so I got the bigger new steam engine for that purpose. Fom minit one, it would not puff smoke, I could smell it and squinting hard as it looped, I could see an occasional wisp. Figgered the smoke element to be bad, called Lionel who informed me they didnt warranty service things they didnt make (???) but he would send me a smoke element. Looked simple enuff so I went for it. $35.00 & postage on my CC, that turned out to be a mistake. Unit came, obviously a used one, I called back & complained, he said he would get me a new one out immediately, just keep the first one. Second new one came with receipt for another $35.00 & postage. Couldnt find anything wrong with the original, the used replacement or the new new one, all had continuity. And I am in $70.00 & postage. Put the new new one it, still no smoke, but as before, I can smell it & see an occasional whisp....... Your comment/advice??? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62986	From: EDWARD	Date: 1/11/2011
Subject: Flyer Fest West #11

Hey Guys, This is just a pre-announcement ( FYI ) to info you all of the next up and coming Flyer Fest West #11 which will be held in San Francisco on Saturday April 30th 2011. The location will be at St. Mary's Cathedral 1111 Gough at Geary from 7:00am for setup till 5:00pm. Please pass the word to all that are or have any interest in American Flyer 'S' Gauge Hi-Rail Trains. We will send out Final Registration Forms shortly to all those that have attended prior Fest's. Registration will be $10.00. Tables will go for $20.00 for the 1st table, $15.00 for the 2nd, then $10.00 bucks for any and all tables thereafter. Our Convention Cars will be an American Models "Long" Gondola in 2 Colors with a Gold Load in 2 Colors, our theme will be California Gold Mining from the 1800's. These Cars will run $59.99 each or $99.99 for both. Please Note: This is a very limited-production custom run of 50 Cars in each color, all sales are final and are on a first-come, first-served basis. Purchases are limited to ( one or both ) per registrant and MUST BE PICKED UP ON THE DAY OF THE EVENT. Shipping is not available. The Lunch Menu, Hotel locations and Layout Tours are TBA later. All Registrations and filled out Order Forms with Checks made out to GGAFC will be returned to me Jake Jacobsen. Note: Since this location is in SF, St Mary's has 179 FREE parking stalls

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62987	From: EDWARD	Date: 1/11/2011
Subject: Flyer Fest West #11

The last message got approved while I was editing it. This event is sponsored by the Golden Gate American Flyer Club. Thanks, Ed Eckert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62988	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/11/2011
Subject: Re: 2011 S Fest

When and where is the 2011 S Fest? Roy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62989	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: Re: 2011 S Fest

Roy, According to the AFSGSLA (America Flyer S-Gaugers Saint Louis Area) website, the next S-Fest is in St. Louis, 28-30 October 2011 at the Airport Marriott Hotel. Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > When and where is the 2011 S Fest? > Roy > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62990	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: 24416 NW Reefer

http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Outstanding-24416-Northwestern-Reefer_W0QQitemZ190488970301QQcategoryZ480QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m8QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DMW%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6303067257348680708 I am not bidding on this car, but around the screw holding the body to the frame is a orange color around the screw, as I believe this orange color is on the body. Any ideas why this orange color? mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62991	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: Re: 24416 NW Reefer

MIKE....Could it be that they just happened to have some orange shells handy when they went to the spray booth????? My 375 is GRAY, not silver, like most, because its on a BLACK shell.... It has the date, parts, etc.... Its a 375!!!!! .....They were making toys... I also have a nice GOLD color PA that appears to have been at the factory.... Sample???? Bob Conner --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 24416 NW Reefer To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: "Joseph Lechner" <Joseph.Lechner@...> Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 12:59 PM   http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Outstanding-24416-Northwestern-Reefer_W0QQitemZ190488970301QQcategoryZ480QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m8QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DMW%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6303067257348680708 I am not bidding on this car, but around the screw holding the body to the frame is a orange color around the screw, as I believe this orange color is on the body. Any ideas why this orange color? mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62992	From: afironhorse	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: Where is Fred?

Does any know if Fred Jester is still selling AF parts? I don't get a reply from an old email address I have for him. Fredstrainparts@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62993	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: Re: 24416 NW Reefer

That is my thinking too as well as someone emailed me in private saying that could be it. Interesting about your things Bob. Mike From: Robert Conner Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 1:43 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 24416 NW Reefer MIKE....Could it be that they just happened to have some orange shells handy when they went to the spray booth????? My 375 is GRAY, not silver, like most, because its on a BLACK shell.... It has the date, parts, etc.... Its a 375!!!!! .....They were making toys... I also have a nice GOLD color PA that appears to have been at the factory.... Sample???? Bob Conner --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> Subject: [S-Trains] 24416 NW Reefer To: "S Trains" <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Cc: "Joseph Lechner" <mailto:Joseph.Lechner%40mvnu.edu> Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 12:59 PM http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Outstanding-24416-Northwestern-Reefer_W0QQitemZ190488970301QQcategoryZ480QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m8QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DMW%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6303067257348680708 I am not bidding on this car, but around the screw holding the body to the frame is a orange color around the screw, as I believe this orange color is on the body. Any ideas why this orange color? mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62994	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: S Scale Layout at the toy museum in Nuremberg

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_bIDOGP4WqZY/SAT_b92vEJI/AAAAAAAAAz8/8APfIamTGVE/IMG_0956.JPG http://museums.nuremberg.de/toy-museum/index.html Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62995	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit

Have any of you tuned/repaired/rebuilt a 346 in-cab 4-position reverse unit? Do you have pictures of a "good" unit that you could share/post? I am working on one and could use some photos to be sure this one is configured and equipped the way it ought to be. What a great little device in theory, but delicate, imprecise, and unreliable in execution. No wonder it was not used more broadly. I'd still like to get this one working the best possible. Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62996	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit

I have about 1/2 dozen NOS, I can take some pictures of one. What kind of pictures do you want? Harwood -----Original Message----- From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:23 pm Subject: [S-Trains] AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit Have any of you tuned/repaired/rebuilt a 346 in-cab 4-position reverse unit? Do you have pictures of a "good" unit that you could share/post? I am working on one and could use some photos to be sure this one is configured and equipped the way it ought to be. What a great little device in theory, but delicate, imprecise, and unreliable in execution. No wonder it was not used more broadly. I'd still like to get this one working the best possible. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62997	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: Re: Where is Fred?

Just got an email from him a couple of weeks ago. Seems to doing well. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: afironhorse <afironhorse@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:07 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Where is Fred? Does any know if Fred Jester is still selling AF parts? I don't get a reply from an old email address I have for him. Fredstrainparts@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62998	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit

Harwood, Thanks. I would very much appreciate a shot of the left side with the slider on it that advances the rachet on the drum, a and "face"shot showing the main coil in the center, the lever moved by the solenoid across the bottom, and the return spring for that lever in the lower right hand corner. Then the side opposite the slider side, and the top where the fingers contact the drum. Would you consider selling a NOS unit? If so, what is your price for one? I think for one thing the return spring on this one's lever is shot. Only gravity seems to move the lever down away from the solenoid any more which doesn't always fully retract the slider on the left side with the "claw" at the top. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote: > > > I have about 1/2 dozen NOS, I can take some pictures of one. What kind of pictures do you want? > Harwood > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sgaugian dsme_horn@... > To: S-Trains S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:23 pm > Subject: [S-Trains] AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit > > > > > Have any of you tuned/repaired/rebuilt a 346 in-cab 4-position reverse unit? Do you have pictures of a "good" unit that you could share/post? I am working on one and could use some photos to be sure this one is configured and equipped the way it ought to be. What a great little device in theory, but delicate, imprecise, and unreliable in execution. No wonder it was not used more broadly. I'd still like to get this one working the best possible. Thanks. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 62999	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit

I've fixed them, but sorry no photos. They are delicate and fussy, ergo their short life. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 1/12/2011 3:23:26 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, dsme_horn@... writes: Have any of you tuned/repaired/rebuilt a 346 in-cab 4-position reverse unit? Do you have pictures of a "good" unit that you could share/post? I am working on one and could use some photos to be sure this one is configured and equipped the way it ought to be. What a great little device in theory, but delicate, imprecise, and unreliable in execution. No wonder it was not used more broadly. I'd still like to get this one working the best possible. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63000	From: Ken	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: AF 307 engine & tender

I just picked this up from ebay,as is, knowing that I'd have to do some work on it. This isn't a problem but I find that the brass/copper conductor on one of the tender trucks is gone. I thought about getting a piece of Shim stock from an industrial supplier but wonder if there might be a solution or part that I could find to install instead? Suggestions? Also have one wire from the engine loose at the tender, I checked on Port Lines web site and found the wiring diagram for an Atlantic 308 will this match? Otherwise a wiring diagram could be helpful. Thank you, Ken Christiansen Broker Associate 551 N. Mulford Rd. Rockford, IL 61107 Cell: 815-218-3957 email: <mailto:klchris@...> klchris@... efax: 815-231-8032 Web: <http://www.starckrealtors.com/> www.starckrealtors.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63001	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: Re: AF 307 engine & tender

Hi Ken,                   The 308 Wiring Diagram is correct for a 307 Atlantic.  I stock the tender contacts for that tender. Part number is PA10207.  Copper material for this application should have a spring to it.                                         Tom Seccia                                                      --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Ken <klchris@...> wrote: From: Ken <klchris@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF 307 engine & tender To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 9:05 PM   I just picked this up from ebay,as is, knowing that I'd have to do some work on it. This isn't a problem but I find that the brass/copper conductor on one of the tender trucks is gone. I thought about getting a piece of Shim stock from an industrial supplier but wonder if there might be a solution or part that I could find to install instead? Suggestions? Also have one wire from the engine loose at the tender, I checked on Port Lines web site and found the wiring diagram for an Atlantic 308 will this match? Otherwise a wiring diagram could be helpful. Thank you, Ken Christiansen Broker Associate 551 N. Mulford Rd. Rockford, IL 61107 Cell: 815-218-3957 email: <mailto:klchris@...> klchris@... efax: 815-231-8032 Web: <http://www.starckrealtors.com/> www.starckrealtors.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63002	From: Robert	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: Re: AF 307 engine & tender

What about cutting a piece of brass tubing?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63003	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: Re: AF 307 engine & tender

Doug should have what you need. Frank Emiro. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Ken" <klchris@...> Sender: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 20:05:33 To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AF 307 engine & tender I just picked this up from ebay,as is, knowing that I'd have to do some work on it. This isn't a problem but I find that the brass/copper conductor on one of the tender trucks is gone. I thought about getting a piece of Shim stock from an industrial supplier but wonder if there might be a solution or part that I could find to install instead? Suggestions? Also have one wire from the engine loose at the tender, I checked on Port Lines web site and found the wiring diagram for an Atlantic 308 will this match? Otherwise a wiring diagram could be helpful. Thank you, Ken Christiansen Broker Associate 551 N. Mulford Rd. Rockford, IL 61107 Cell: 815-218-3957 email: <mailto:klchris@...> klchris@... efax: 815-231-8032 Web: <http://www.starckrealtors.com/> www.starckrealtors.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63004	From: Robert	Date: 1/12/2011
Subject: Scenery material suitable for most any scale

I found a material that has most likely been around for a while in a local building supply store here in Butte. It is a rock type material that could have a great many uses in scenery construction. I comes in several different colors( I saw tan and reddish brown) and styles. On use might be a rock retaining wall or a cliff face. Some could even be used to simulate strata. No prices were listed on the store display so you will have to either contact the company direct or your local building supply store. The company website is www.rockymountainstoneproducts.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63005	From: race944t	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Do your Jeeps say "Jeep"

OK so Gilbert made two Jeep transport cars 24572 US Navy & 24557 US Navy, right. Other than color red vs. green is there a difference in the Jeeps. Case in point: 1) I have one pair of Jeeps with the following markings on the underside: TOOTSIETOY (R) MADE IN U.S.A lettered in two lines, paralled to the sides of the vehicle, under the hood and: JEEP lettered perpendicular to the sides of the vehicle under the seats. On this pair the axles are held in place by bending some tabs over the axle. The trailer hitch on the back is 13/64" thick. 2) I have another pair that have the following markings on the underside: TOOTSIETOY MADE IN U. S. A. with the lettering in 3 lines and perpendicular to the sides of the vehicle under the hood. There is no "JEEP" lettering. The axles go through holes in the casting and each axle has an axle sleeve between the sides of the vehicle. The trailer hitch is only 7/64" thick. Obviously, there was a different mold set somewhere along the line. Does anyone have a clue if they were produced at the same time or which came first? Greenberg lists #1 above for the 24557 but has no description of the bottom for the 24572 They were made only a year apart so I can't imagine the molds going bad and having to be replaced that soon. Any ideas from the group why the differences? Better yet, does anyone really care?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63006	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: "S"acto Convention Tour/Banquet Signup

Gentlemen and Ladies too.. I have just been informed the X2011W online shopping cart will be up and running at approximately midnight on Friday of this week (California time). This will be your chance to sign up for tours, extra cost clinics, swap meet tables, merchandise (think S gondolas), and the famous NASG Roundhouse Revue and BBQ too! I am not sure if everyone will have access immediately or if only those who registered early have access at the beginning or what. You will get an email when the time comes which will explain what to do. I assume the hotel reservation system worked OK since I have not heard about any major problems. As usual, I would urge you to act promptly when ordering things to avoid the SOLD OUT sign which can be displayed rather quickly. It looks like king-sized beds at the Sheraton were all sold out on the first day. Of course, maybe they only have two rooms with kings? Anyway, a word to the wise should be sufficient. For serious S folks who do not live in this area, I would heartily recommend the following: Wednesday's S Layout Tour - an all-day tour featuring two different train rides (Amtrak and BART) with visits to the two largest standard gauge S scale layouts in California and one exquisite Sn3 layout. Wednesday Evening - NASG Welcoming Gathering with a presentation by Stephen Priest who is the Editor of the NMRA's monthly magazine. Stephen's company offers many different services to model railroaders in all scales and to model railroad manufacturers. Some S projects will be discussed. Strawberry shortcake will be served along with evening coffee. You will have a sweet time for sure. Saturday Evening - The NASG Roundhouse Revue and BBQ too! will be in the roundhouse of the California State Railroad Museum. Roam the exhibits without the crush of a maddening crowd. Dine in style on genuine Texas-style ribs (both beef and pork) as well as chicken served by the finest ribs caterer in Sacramento County. SACRAMENTO MAGAZINE has award our caterer the "Best B-B-Q" award for the past six years. The California Restaurant Association has awarded our vendor their "5-star Award" which is the first time this status has ever been endowed on a ribs restaurant. You will be impressed with this all-you-can-eat meal. Skip lunch to properly prepare for this meal. After dinner, the Hubba-Hubba organization of San Francisco will have a troupe of entertainers to amuse you with a musical revue and comedy show. If you are a real train nut to the exclusion of all else, this is the time you can enjoy a very intimate experience with your favorite locomotive at the museum. Examine that valve gear up close with no one else in the way. Count those rivets without end. Check out the lettering decal film on the tender of the SP cabforward. After the musical show, the NASG meeting will commence with contest awards, announcements, a few surprises, and who knows what else. This is the mother of all events and you should bring your wife or girlfriend (but not both) along to enjoy the evening with you. Maybe the kids as well! Just purchase two (or more) tickets when you go to the X2011 shopping cart. Plan on spending some serious money. This will be something you will be talking about ten years from now. Do I exaggerate? Come and find out. Click here for details of all kinds regarding the convention: http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html See you in "S"acto...Ed Loizeaux, Chairman 2011 NASG Convention [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63007	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Re: Where is Fred?

Hi I was talking to Bill Parr of Parrs Hobby and he said he is doing well I can give you if you want bills number Thanks Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: afironhorse To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 1:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Where is Fred? Does any know if Fred Jester is still selling AF parts? I don't get a reply from an old email address I have for him. Fredstrainparts@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63008	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Re: AF 307 engine & tender

Hi Ken The following places have the part Number PA 10207 contact spring Triple S Tom seccia Hobby Surplus in New Britain CT Doug Peck Portline Hobbies Ron Leventon Hobby Supply They arn't that expensive and you will also need a new truck rivit PA 10235-A Have fun repairing it good luck Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:05 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF 307 engine & tender I just picked this up from ebay,as is, knowing that I'd have to do some work on it. This isn't a problem but I find that the brass/copper conductor on one of the tender trucks is gone. I thought about getting a piece of Shim stock from an industrial supplier but wonder if there might be a solution or part that I could find to install instead? Suggestions? Also have one wire from the engine loose at the tender, I checked on Port Lines web site and found the wiring diagram for an Atlantic 308 will this match? Otherwise a wiring diagram could be helpful. Thank you, Ken Christiansen Broker Associate 551 N. Mulford Rd. Rockford, IL 61107 Cell: 815-218-3957 email: <mailto:klchris@...> klchris@... efax: 815-231-8032 Web: <http://www.starckrealtors.com/> www.starckrealtors.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63009	From: David Haslauer	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Re: Where is Fred?

I'm sorry to hear that Fred is fighting cancer. It's been about three years since I've talk to him on the phone. A real pleasant fellow to talk to. The number I have for him is 888-494-5821.  Is this still a good number to call him? David New Orleans, La. ________________________________ From: Stanley Sobieski <americanflyer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 6:44:37 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Where is Fred?   Hi I was talking to Bill Parr of Parrs Hobby and he said he is doing well I can give you if you want bills number Thanks Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: afironhorse To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 1:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Where is Fred? Does any know if Fred Jester is still selling AF parts? I don't get a reply from an old email address I have for him. Fredstrainparts@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63010	From: clayton deich	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit

I have one, and repaired one. What steve has said is very true. They are very fussy. I had some help in finding some parts from Tom S. If I can find the time I will send some photos to you.  Clayton --- On Wed, 1/12/11, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote: From: boss31@... <boss31@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 4:38 PM   I've fixed them, but sorry no photos. They are delicate and fussy, ergo their short life. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 1/12/2011 3:23:26 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, dsme_horn@... writes: Have any of you tuned/repaired/rebuilt a 346 in-cab 4-position reverse unit? Do you have pictures of a "good" unit that you could share/post? I am working on one and could use some photos to be sure this one is configured and equipped the way it ought to be. What a great little device in theory, but delicate, imprecise, and unreliable in execution. No wonder it was not used more broadly. I'd still like to get this one working the best possible. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63011	From: Donald Abrams	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: 764 talking express office?

In reference to the following ebay auction -- is this a legitimate item from the Gilbert factory or something made up from parts? http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Rare-Dark-Gray-764-Express-Office-/360335072407?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item53e5a4dc97 No mention of it in any catalog I have or any reference book including Greenberg, Doyle, TM, or Heimburger. I don't believe that they would offer two very different accessories with the same catalog number? Don Abrams

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63012	From: Donald Abrams	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit

I'm not as experienced with these as others on this list and have only attempted to repair one in 30+ years of doing repairs. I remember at the time that I made a new return spring from a guitar string based on something I read on this list many years ago or perhaps written by Tom Jarco (sp?) in S Gaugian at that time. I got it working about 90%. The customer wasn't satisfied so we went with a Dallee reverse PWB as he wasn't concerned about originality. Don Abrams

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63013	From: Raul Catta	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Hobby shops in Orlando and Miami

Thanks for the information and advices. After my short tour I'll tell you what I found in the small world of American Flyer and Flyonel in the hobby shops, thanks again Raul Catta Buenos Aires Argentina [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63014	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Re: 764 talking express office?

I don't see anything wrong with it, nor any mention of it being a "talking" express office. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 1/13/2011 10:55:49 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, donabrams@... writes: In reference to the following ebay auction -- is this a legitimate item from the Gilbert factory or something made up from parts? _http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Rare-Dark-Gray-764-Express-Office-/36033 5072407?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item53e5a4dc97_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Rare-Dark-Gray-764-Express-Office-/360335072407?pt=Model_RR_Trains&h ash=item53e5a4dc97) No mention of it in any catalog I have or any reference book including Greenberg, Doyle, TM, or Heimburger. I don't believe that they would offer two very different accessories with the same catalog number? Don Abrams [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63015	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: X2011 Housing is Open

One of the benefits of registering early for the NMRA convention is the first shot at making hotel reservations. Housing has opened and effective today, Friday January 14, anyone who registered by the end of the Milwaukee convention in 2010 has a jump on anyone else to make hotel reservations. No forms to print and mail in. It is all online. Just click this link: <https://resweb.passkey.com/Resweb.do?mode=welcome_ei_new&eventID=3214110> X2011 Hotel Reservation Most convention events will take place in the Sacramento Convention Center. There are two hotels currently under contract, the Sheraton Grand and the Hyatt Regency. The Sheraton is the actual HQ hotel and is located across the street from the Sacramento Convention Center. The Hyatt Regency is just one block away. The only limit on hotels is that, due to contract issues, the Sheraton Grand requires a longer stay. So, if you plan on arriving July 5 or earlier, you will be able to reserve rooms only in the Sheraton Grand at this time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63016	From: ac312	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Re: 764 talking express office?

My bad. I put in the wrong link! Should be: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360335076004&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_500wt_1021 Don Abrams --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Donald Abrams <donabrams@...> wrote: > > In reference to the following ebay auction -- is this a legitimate item > from the Gilbert factory or something made up from parts? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Rare-Dark-Gray-764-Express-Office-/360335072407?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item53e5a4dc97 > > No mention of it in any catalog I have or any reference book including > Greenberg, Doyle, TM, or Heimburger. > > I don't believe that they would offer two very different accessories > with the same catalog number? > > Don Abrams >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63017	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Re: 764 talking express office?

Hi Don,                    This is an A.C Gilbert original accessory. Cataloged on page 32 in 1951 and on page 40 in 1950.  Doyles book on page 199 show two variations one dark gray, the other light gray.  Tough item to find.  The one on ebay looks very clean.                                                      Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 1/13/11, Donald Abrams <donabrams@...> wrote: From: Donald Abrams <donabrams@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 764 talking express office? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 12:20 PM   In reference to the following ebay auction -- is this a legitimate item from the Gilbert factory or something made up from parts? http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Rare-Dark-Gray-764-Express-Office-/360335072407?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item53e5a4dc97 No mention of it in any catalog I have or any reference book including Greenberg, Doyle, TM, or Heimburger. I don't believe that they would offer two very different accessories with the same catalog number? Don Abrams [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63018	From: rick gough	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Re: 764 talking express office?

This is an origional piece but it does not pretend to have the record playing mechanism; I think just has a single light socket. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63019	From: Ed	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Re: 764 talking express office?

Hi All, From the moderator who checked the posting before approving it. The pictures that are now on this Ebay listing are not the ones that were on the Ebay listing when I approved the post. Presently it is a 764 Express Station. The original pictures and description was a Rare 764 talking express station with the pictures showing all the hardware including top, bottom, end views with door open, and the record. The cutout on the bottom looked like original manufacturing cutout. If I recall, wasn't there a Koosiken Express Station? The listing has been changed since the original post. Ed Eckert From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sheila Seccia Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 5:30 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 764 talking express office? Hi Don, This is an A.C Gilbert original accessory. Cataloged on page 32 in 1951 and on page 40 in 1950. Doyles book on page 199 show two variations one dark gray, the other light gray. Tough item to find. The one on ebay looks very clean. Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 1/13/11, Donald Abrams <donabrams@... <mailto:donabrams%40wowway.com> > wrote: From: Donald Abrams <donabrams@... <mailto:donabrams%40wowway.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] 764 talking express office? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 12:20 PM In reference to the following ebay auction -- is this a legitimate item from the Gilbert factory or something made up from parts? http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Rare-Dark-Gray-764-Express-Office-/360335072407?pt=Model_RR_Trains <http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Rare-Dark-Gray-764-Express-Office-/360335072407?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item53e5a4dc97> &hash=item53e5a4dc97 No mention of it in any catalog I have or any reference book including Greenberg, Doyle, TM, or Heimburger. I don't believe that they would offer two very different accessories with the same catalog number? Don Abrams [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63020	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Re: 764 talking express office?

The Express Office with the talking station mechanism is the 257 HO version from 1950. Bill Drake ________________________________ From: Ed <ejenterp@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 8:46:23 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 764 talking express office?   Hi All, From the moderator who checked the posting before approving it. The pictures that are now on this Ebay listing are not the ones that were on the Ebay listing when I approved the post. Presently it is a 764 Express Station. The original pictures and description was a Rare 764 talking express station with the pictures showing all the hardware including top, bottom, end views with door open, and the record. The cutout on the bottom looked like original manufacturing cutout. If I recall, wasn't there a Koosiken Express Station? The listing has been changed since the original post. Ed Eckert From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sheila Seccia Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 5:30 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 764 talking express office? Hi Don, This is an A.C Gilbert original accessory. Cataloged on page 32 in 1951 and on page 40 in 1950. Doyles book on page 199 show two variations one dark gray, the other light gray. Tough item to find. The one on ebay looks very clean. Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 1/13/11, Donald Abrams <donabrams@... <mailto:donabrams%40wowway.com> > wrote: From: Donald Abrams <donabrams@... <mailto:donabrams%40wowway.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] 764 talking express office? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 12:20 PM In reference to the following ebay auction -- is this a legitimate item from the Gilbert factory or something made up from parts? http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Rare-Dark-Gray-764-Express-Office-/360335072407?pt=Model_RR_Trains <http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Rare-Dark-Gray-764-Express-Office-/360335072407?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item53e5a4dc97> > &hash=item53e5a4dc97 No mention of it in any catalog I have or any reference book including Greenberg, Doyle, TM, or Heimburger. I don't believe that they would offer two very different accessories with the same catalog number? Don Abrams [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63021	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Re: 764 talking express office?

Pre - war there was a yellow/brown version with a sheet metal roof Akoostiken talking tool shed. This surfaced as an HO talking station post war in the gray/red tool shed housing. I think it had a different number than the 764 but don't have the resource materials to look it up at the moment. Bill Drake snowy and cold in STL ________________________________ From: Ed <ejenterp@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 8:46:23 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 764 talking express office?   Hi All, From the moderator who checked the posting before approving it. The pictures that are now on this Ebay listing are not the ones that were on the Ebay listing when I approved the post. Presently it is a 764 Express Station. The original pictures and description was a Rare 764 talking express station with the pictures showing all the hardware including top, bottom, end views with door open, and the record. The cutout on the bottom looked like original manufacturing cutout. If I recall, wasn't there a Koosiken Express Station? The listing has been changed since the original post. Ed Eckert From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sheila Seccia Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 5:30 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 764 talking express office? Hi Don, This is an A.C Gilbert original accessory. Cataloged on page 32 in 1951 and on page 40 in 1950. Doyles book on page 199 show two variations one dark gray, the other light gray. Tough item to find. The one on ebay looks very clean. Tom Seccia --- On Thu, 1/13/11, Donald Abrams <donabrams@... <mailto:donabrams%40wowway.com> > wrote: From: Donald Abrams <donabrams@... <mailto:donabrams%40wowway.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] 764 talking express office? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 12:20 PM In reference to the following ebay auction -- is this a legitimate item from the Gilbert factory or something made up from parts? http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Rare-Dark-Gray-764-Express-Office-/360335072407?pt=Model_RR_Trains <http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-Rare-Dark-Gray-764-Express-Office-/360335072407?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item53e5a4dc97> > &hash=item53e5a4dc97 No mention of it in any catalog I have or any reference book including Greenberg, Doyle, TM, or Heimburger. I don't believe that they would offer two very different accessories with the same catalog number? Don Abrams [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63022	From: Al	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Train Movies

Hey Stumpy and the rest of you train buffs,   I fondly remember seeing a black and white adventure movie made in the late 30's or early 40's that was about 90-100 minutes long which had a mad man who wanted to kill the president of the railroad so that secretly he could take over the railroad for himself. I saw this movie about 1955 on Utah's first local TV station KTVT Channel 4 in Salt Lake City that played old movies each day. I was about 9-1/2 at the time. The most exciting part of this movie was when all the most important men and women of the railroad were trapped in an obsevation car of a large passenger train being pulled up a steep grade by a steam engine. The mad man disconnected the observation car and it lost speed going uphill, stopped and then began rolling downhill. It started to gain speed going downhill mostly on straight track but on each curve it nearly tipped over throwing the people all over the inside. It was a doomed car.  I cannot remember how another engine came uphill on another line by itself and managed to switch onto the other line after the car came speeding downhill past them. The engineer reversed his engine and tender and started to gain speed going backward downhill trying to catch the observation car. I remember the engine caught up with the car and managed to transfer all the people onto the tender safely just before the car jumped the tracks on a curve and went flying down into a ravine with a tremendous crash.   This was very exciting to watch for me at that time and I tried to duplicate this by mounting my track on a steep board and let my 650 pasenger cars crash at the bottom. Somehow they survived these crashes. Man, Gilbert built great cars! BTW, the mastermind was caught later in the film.    Now, what I want to know is the title of this film.  I have never seen this film since that time. I do not remember who any of the actors were but do remember that a couple of them were close to being major actors.  So have any of you seen this film?  What is the name of this movie and if possible where can I get a DVD copy of it? Any help would be appreciated.   Al Golden Spike American Flyer Train Club   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63023	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Boys RR Club Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csY8ztIh1BY Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63024	From: DarylO	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: "Talking" Express Office

Gilbert offered the #257 Talking Station in the American Flyer HO line for 1950. Since the talking mechanism wouldn't fit into the regular HO size Mystic Station, Gilbert used the "S" "Accessories by Number" to mount the mechanism in and marketed it as an HO Talking Station. To see a picture of one, go to the Gilbert HO Index at http://www.gilbertho.org/ Then click on the top of the page. Then when the page comes up click on 257 on the left hand side. Daryl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63025	From: Ed	Date: 1/13/2011
Subject: Re: "Talking" Express Office

That looks like the pictures I saw. Ed From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of DarylO Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 7:56 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] "Talking" Express Office Gilbert offered the #257 Talking Station in the American Flyer HO line for 1950. Since the talking mechanism wouldn't fit into the regular HO size Mystic Station, Gilbert used the "S" "Accessories by Number" to mount the mechanism in and marketed it as an HO Talking Station. To see a picture of one, go to the Gilbert HO Index at http://www.gilbertho.org/ Then click on the top of the page. Then when the page comes up click on 257 on the left hand side. Daryl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63026	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: Train Movies

and he notes - We sell this - it's called "Murder In The Private Car" (ca 1934) and is available on DVD for $22.95 PPD. It stars Charlie Ruggles, Una Merkel, Mary Carlisle, Russell Hardie and Burton Churchill and yes most of it takes place on a train with plenty of excitement including an escaped gorilla from a wrecked circus train! For a description and look at the package, visit this eBay link: http://cgi.ebay.com/Murder-Private-Car-1934-Fun-Mystery-DVD-/360316826482?pt=US_DVD_HD_DVD_Blu_ray&hash=item53e48e7372 It is an entertaining film and one of our more popular titles. There are more as well as documentaries. Click on the "store" icon in the feedback box for more listings. You can order through eBay or direct (and save the postage fee) by emailing me at raleigh15@... Raleigh Emporium Pictures At 12:28 AM 1/14/2011, Al wrote: > > >Hey Stumpy and the rest of you train buffs, > >I fondly remember seeing a black and white adventure movie made in >the late 30's or early 40's that was about 90-100 minutes long which >had a mad man who wanted to kill the president of the railroad so >that secretly he could take over the railroad for himself. I saw >this movie about 1955 on Utah's first local TV station KTVT Channel >4 in Salt Lake City that played old movies each day. I was about >9-1/2 at the time. The most exciting part of this movie was when all >the most important men and women of the railroad were trapped in an >obsevation car of a large passenger train being pulled up a steep >grade by a steam engine. The mad man disconnected the observation >car and it lost speed going uphill, stopped and then began rolling >downhill. It started to gain speed going downhill mostly on straight >track but on each curve it nearly tipped over throwing the people >all over the inside. It was a doomed car. I cannot remember how >another engine came >uphill on another line by itself and managed to switch onto the >other line after the car came speeding downhill past them. The >engineer reversed his engine and tender and started to gain speed >going backward downhill trying to catch the observation car. I >remember the engine caught up with the car and managed to transfer >all the people onto the tender safely just before the car jumped the >tracks on a curve and went flying down into a ravine with a tremendous crash. > >This was very exciting to watch for me at that time and I tried to >duplicate this by mounting my track on a steep board and let my 650 >pasenger cars crash at the bottom. Somehow they survived these >crashes. Man, Gilbert built great cars! BTW, the mastermind was >caught later in the film. > >Now, what I want to know is the title of this film. I have never >seen this film since that time. I do not remember who any of the >actors were but do remember that a couple of them were close to >being major actors. So have any of you seen this film? What is the >name of this movie and if possible where can I get a DVD copy of it? >Any help would be appreciated. > >Al >Golden Spike American Flyer Train Club

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63027	From: michael prell	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: Boys RR Club Video

Sir! I remember seeing this program when I was about 5 years old. The catalog mentioned is part of a small collection I now have. Those were truely Dream Makers! The Kids on the stairway say it all! It's too bad that the crew that put this program together are not given individual credit. Thanks for calling this to our attention. Fun! Mike-Snow Blowing in Syracuse-Prell.   Break out the Katana's, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Fri, 1/14/11, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: From: Brady Burdge <brady@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Boys RR Club Video To: "S-Trains Mailing List" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 1:22 AM   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csY8ztIh1BY Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63028	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: 764 talking express office?

The 764 Express Office was never cataloged as a talking station.   There is a possibility that some could have been made.  The original building that size with a talking station mechanism is a Pre War 595 Talking Tool Shed s-Koostikin see page 37 1940 Catalog.  A 257 is an HO 257 Mystic Station Talking Station cataloged in 1950 similar to the 755 Mystic Station.  There were no other "S" Buildings the size of the Tool Shed and the Express Office with a talking station mechanism.   The 595 Tool Shed was the first with sound. The doors slid open so you could hear the sound.                                                  Tom Seccia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63029	From: barb	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Curb abd sidewalk question

For my fellow modelers, I have a question. I want to put curbs and sidewalks in my town. What are your techniques for doing this? Lower the roads? Raise all the houses and stores to the roads? Raise just the section near the road? Or just forget it? All input is appreciated.... Thanks.... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63030	From: David	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: Curb abd sidewalk question

Hi Barb, The answer is as always - it depends - lol. I am at the stage in my layout that I am ready to install roads, sidewalks, driveways, parking lots, etc. I have been experimenting with several ideas. One was to use spackle to build the roads, sidewalks, driveways, etc. This allows you to feather the thickness so that you do not need to elevate the buildings. Another positive is the low cost. I think I will use this method to "pour" floors in my Plasticville houses. Another method is a Walthers HO scale roadway kit made of plastic. The roadway is black and is beveled with a crown. The sidewalks are grey plastic with curbs molded in. With these you would need to elevate the buildings mabye 1/8" or so. This is a fairly expensive option and you would probably need to order directly from Walthers to get enough to do any extensive area. I do not know if they sell the sidewalks separately or if you need to get the roadway kit to get the sidewalks. (I have only seen one set of this is a hobby shop and that was a chance encounter in Nashville.) I am now experimenting with Woodland Scenics "painted" roadways and sidewalks. When used with Woodland Scenics grass mat surface, you remove the grass and paint the roadways (black for asphalt) and sidewalks (a greyish concrete color) onto the mat. What I have done so far looks really nice, but this stuff is expensive and difficult to find also. You would probably need to buy directly from Woodland Scenics for any large quantity. (I have found only one bottle of each type in all of Houston.) If you are interested there is a video of this system of the Woodland Scenics website. If it would help I can upload some photos of all of these options for you to check out. David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, barb <rcespeak@...> wrote: > > For my fellow modelers, I have a question. I want to put > curbs and sidewalks in my town. What are your techniques > for doing this? Lower the roads? Raise all the houses and > stores to the roads? Raise just the section near the road? > Or just forget it? > > All input is appreciated.... Thanks.... Barb >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63031	From: Obe	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: 764 talking express office?

Is there any possibility that the HO-257 was ever sold as an S accessory ? The reason I ask is that I have one that my father purchased for me in either 1950 or 1951.I never had anything but S trains and accessories. My father would not have bought an HO accessory for me. Also the pictures shows the resistor that is used to keep the e unit from sequencing.This would not work with HO dc power. My station also came with the fiber track pins,the instructions for S and the track lock. Unfortunately I threw out the original box in a fit of youthful stupidity.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63032	From: Robert	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: Train Movies

I remember two others. RUNAWAY TRAIN Starring John Voight. It was filmed in Anaconda,Montana on the Butte Anaconda & Pacific and in Deer Lodge, Montana at the old territorial prison and in Alaska on the Alaska Railroad. They filmed in Alaska cause there was hardly any snow in Anaconda. The day they left for alaska it snowed a foot. The other movie I do not remember the title of but was a made for TV movie starring Ben Johnson as the engineer of a ski train that had the brake lines freeze up and they could not stop. A new locomotive met them at a spot where double track began and switched onto their track and sped up behind,finally coupled on and stopped the runaway

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63033	From: The Reardon's	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: Curb abd sidewalk question

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, I do add a thin piece of building foam to set the buildings on. The thickness of the roadways and sidewalks does necessitate raising the rest of the landscape. ----- Original Message ----- From: barb To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 1:46 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Curb abd sidewalk question For my fellow modelers, I have a question. I want to put curbs and sidewalks in my town. What are your techniques for doing this? Lower the roads? Raise all the houses and stores to the roads? Raise just the section near the road? Or just forget it? All input is appreciated.... Thanks.... Barb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63034	From: The Reardon's	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: Curb abd sidewalk question

OK Barb, Here's what I do. 1) I use small strips of wood to outline the area I want the sidewalk or roadway in and attach these temporarily to the layout base, forming a frame . I make these the thickness that I want my concrete or asphalt to finish at. 2) I mix up some Plaster of Paris and mix in some black masonry coloring liquid (you can get this cheap at a good commercial masonry supply business. Masons use it to tint grout and mortar). Just a little goes a long way and you can vary the amount to make gray for concrete or black for asphalt. 3) Using the pieces of wood you have attached to your layout as a form, use a narrow putty knife to fill in the area, and use a wider putty knife pulled along the tops of the wood to shape the sidewalk or roadway. 4) When the Plaster of Paris has started to set up, carefully remove your wooden strips you used to form up the walkway. And, gently touch up any areas that do no suit your eye. Just rewetting will make any area workable and the color is already in the material, so that won't be an issue. BTW, I also use this method for my scenery underlayment , experimenting with a mixture of tan and black tints to find the color I'm looking for as an "earth tone". This appeals to me because, 1) If it chips, I'm not looking at a white spot that needs to be touched up, and 2) I can rewet at any time, rework an area, and not worry about matching the color again. I know this is a lengthy explanation, but it really works good, and has the added bonus; Its Inexpensive! Good Luck, Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: barb To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 1:46 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Curb abd sidewalk question For my fellow modelers, I have a question. I want to put curbs and sidewalks in my town. What are your techniques for doing this? Lower the roads? Raise all the houses and stores to the roads? Raise just the section near the road? Or just forget it? All input is appreciated.... Thanks.... Barb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63035	From: richs009	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: Curb abd sidewalk question

Barb, et al. -- like David said -- it depends... But seems to me you could use 1/8 inch thick hardboard as the base for your houses/buildings, etc. At S-scale, that gives you a prototype curb height of about 8 inches. Hardboard (aka masonite) is easy to file and sand to make things like driveway cuts, etc. It takes paint and glue well. A big advantage is that its not very expensive and comes in 2 x 4, 4 x 4 and 4 x 8 sheets. BTW, the crown in the street in front of my house is at least as tall as the top of the curb -- probably slightly taller (by eyeball...). Not that I'm advocating crowning the roads on your layout... though I guess you could do that using card stock slightly wider than the distance between the hardboard pieces defining the curbs - the cardstock would bow up to create the crown. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi Barb, > > The answer is as always - it depends - lol. > > I am at the stage in my layout that I am ready to install roads, sidewalks, driveways, parking lots, etc. > > I have been experimenting with several ideas. One was to use spackle to build the roads, sidewalks, driveways, etc. This allows you to feather the thickness so that you do not need to elevate the buildings. Another positive is the low cost. I think I will use this method to "pour" floors in my Plasticville houses. > > Another method is a Walthers HO scale roadway kit made of plastic. The roadway is black and is beveled with a crown. The sidewalks are grey plastic with curbs molded in. With these you would need to elevate the buildings mabye 1/8" or so. This is a fairly expensive option and you would probably need to order directly from Walthers to get enough to do any extensive area. I do not know if they sell the sidewalks separately or if you need to get the roadway kit to get the sidewalks. (I have only seen one set of this is a hobby shop and that was a chance encounter in Nashville.) > > I am now experimenting with Woodland Scenics "painted" roadways and sidewalks. When used with Woodland Scenics grass mat surface, you remove the grass and paint the roadways (black for asphalt) and sidewalks (a greyish concrete color) onto the mat. What I have done so far looks really nice, but this stuff is expensive and difficult to find also. You would probably need to buy directly from Woodland Scenics for any large quantity. (I have found only one bottle of each type in all of Houston.) If you are interested there is a video of this system of the Woodland Scenics website. > > If it would help I can upload some photos of all of these options for you to check out. > > David > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, barb <rcespeak@> wrote: > > > > For my fellow modelers, I have a question. I want to put > > curbs and sidewalks in my town. What are your techniques > > for doing this? Lower the roads? Raise all the houses and > > stores to the roads? Raise just the section near the road? > > Or just forget it? > > > > All input is appreciated.... Thanks.... Barb > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63036	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: Curb abd sidewalk question

Hi Barb, I used basswood, as I can get you the thickness is you like and cut it into strips for sidewalks, painted it concrete color. Worked out well. I was going to do curbs, as I measured how big a curb was and got scale strips of wood to cut. I decided not to do this, as I thought they might not look good overall. I still might cut a few out and see. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63037	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Train Movies

How about "Breakheart Pass" with Charles Bronson, Ben Johnson, Richard Crenna, and a host of others? I never found out where it was filmed, but the locomotive looked familiar, if doctored up to look older than it was. Stumpy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63038	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: Curb abd sidewalk question

Dear Barb, I have built several diaramas for advertisements. I used 1/8" styrene for the curbs and walks. I used a carbide scribe to make the joints between the curb and sidewalk. I also cut cracks in the sidewalks. Once the joint and cracks were in place, I washed with mineral spirits and a little black paint so that they would stand out. I am sure an india ink, alcohol wash would work OK too. If you find a plastic supplier, you can purchase pretty good sized sheets of 1/8" styrene. I put the buildings right on top of the styrene. Don On Jan 14, 2011, at 1:46 PM, barb wrote: > For my fellow modelers, I have a question. I want to put > curbs and sidewalks in my town. What are your techniques > for doing this? . > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63039	From: Boxcarmike464	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: Train Movies

Hello Group: The name of that movie with Ben Johnson and the runaway ski train was simply called RUNAWAY. Interesting film shot on the Denver & Rio Grande. Lots of great scenery and good view of the train as well. Michael (choo-choo) Phillips -----Original Message----- From: Robert <danceswithwolves49@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Jan 14, 2011 2:38 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train Movies I remember two others. RUNAWAY TRAIN Starring John Voight. It was filmed in Anaconda,Montana on the Butte Anaconda & Pacific and in Deer Lodge, Montana at the old territorial prison and in Alaska on the Alaska Railroad. They filmed in Alaska cause there was hardly any snow in Anaconda. The day they left for alaska it snowed a foot. The other movie I do not remember the title of but was a made for TV movie starring Ben Johnson as the engineer of a ski train that had the brake lines freeze up and they could not stop. A new locomotive met them at a spot where double track began and switched onto their track and sped up behind,finally coupled on and stopped the runaway [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63040	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: 764 talking express office?

It really was an S gauge accessory by size, even though it was cataloged as HO. It would have been quite oversized for an HO layout, so your father might have realized that it was perfect for S gauge and bought it for that reason. Your note of the inclusion of track pins and instructions for S certainly does argue that it might have been marketed for S gauge. Remember that Gilbert stopped making HO during the Korean War, from 1951-1955. This would mean that there was undoubtedly left over stock of this supposedly HO item, which being S sized would find a ready market among S gaugers. As to the resistor, if it was in place and used on HO, it might only have slowed the train down, rather than stopping it, depending of course on the value of the resistor and the draw of the HO motors. Is it possible that it was added when sold for use with S scale trains? Daryl, Do you have instructions with your unit? Does it mention anything about S gauge use? Dale On 1/14/2011 12:31 PM, Obe wrote: > > > > Is there any possibility that the HO-257 was ever sold as an S accessory ? > > The reason I ask is that I have one that my father purchased for me in > either 1950 or 1951.I never had anything but S trains and accessories. > > My father would not have bought an HO accessory for me. > > Also the pictures shows the resistor that is used to keep the e unit > from sequencing.This would not work with HO dc power. > > My station also came with the fiber track pins,the instructions for S > and the track lock. > > Unfortunately I threw out the original box in a fit of youthful stupidity. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63041	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: Curb abd sidewalk question

Isn't the problem here that the town and the streets already exist. Lowering the streets lets you leave the houses in place, but raising the base for the buildings will require that the houses, as well as any accompanying scenery or details be removed and remounted. If I were facing this dilemma, I would try to find a way to lower the streets, yet avoid a significant amount of cutting or sanding in the close proximity of details. Maybe simply adding very thin sidewalks and then tapering the lawns or driveways up to match them might be the best compromise. In S scale, 1/16 = 4 inches which is a credible curb, yet small enough to make any tapering less evident. Dale Smith > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: barb > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 1:46 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Curb abd sidewalk question > > For my fellow modelers, I have a question. I want to put > curbs and sidewalks in my town. What are your techniques > for doing this? Lower the roads? Raise all the houses and > stores to the roads? Raise just the section near the road? > Or just forget it? > > All input is appreciated.... Thanks.... Barb > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63042	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: Train Movies

It was filmed right here in Idaho..... Steve In a message dated 1/14/2011 4:33:36 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, mrstumpy@... writes: How about "Breakheart Pass" with Charles Bronson, Ben Johnson, Richard Crenna, and a host of others? I never found out where it was filmed, but the locomotive looked familiar, if doctored up to look older than it was. Stumpy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63043	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: Train Movies

Wallace and Gromit, The Wrong Trousers' train scene in them going after the penguin and laying down new track from the never ending box of model RR track. YouTube has it but not the original voices. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rk1s-aGHO8 The end, as again, these are not the original voices. Mike From: mrstumpy50 Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 5:56 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Train Movies How about "Breakheart Pass" with Charles Bronson, Ben Johnson, Richard Crenna, and a host of others? I never found out where it was filmed, but the locomotive looked familiar, if doctored up to look older than it was. Stumpy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63044	From: michael prell	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: Train Movies

I don't know if this one's been mentioned, but Von Ryan's Express was a favorite. I almost got tossed out of the auditorium at Oswego State when I broke up and couldn't stop laughing. It happened when Sinatra and his gang were in fatso Goering's personal car. There, in front of God and everyone on the dresser was a spray can of Right Guard!~I kid you not! Just like the Roman Soldier wearing the ristwatch in Sparticus! Sometimes I wished I wasn't so frigging observent! Mike   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Fri, 1/14/11, Boxcarmike464 <boxcarmike464@...> wrote: From: Boxcarmike464 <boxcarmike464@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Train Movies To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 8:46 PM   Hello Group: The name of that movie with Ben Johnson and the runaway ski train was simply called RUNAWAY. Interesting film shot on the Denver & Rio Grande. Lots of great scenery and good view of the train as well. Michael (choo-choo) Phillips -----Original Message----- From: Robert <danceswithwolves49@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Jan 14, 2011 2:38 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Train Movies I remember two others. RUNAWAY TRAIN Starring John Voight. It was filmed in Anaconda,Montana on the Butte Anaconda & Pacific and in Deer Lodge, Montana at the old territorial prison and in Alaska on the Alaska Railroad. They filmed in Alaska cause there was hardly any snow in Anaconda. The day they left for alaska it snowed a foot. The other movie I do not remember the title of but was a made for TV movie starring Ben Johnson as the engineer of a ski train that had the brake lines freeze up and they could not stop. A new locomotive met them at a spot where double track began and switched onto their track and sped up behind,finally coupled on and stopped the runaway [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63045	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 1/14/2011
Subject: Re: 764 talking express office?

Looked in all my literature dale and sorry to say no instructions .......... Daryl On 1/14/2011 8:32 PM, Dale Smith wrote: > > It really was an S gauge accessory by size, even though it was cataloged > as HO. It would have been quite oversized for an HO layout, so your > father might have realized that it was perfect for S gauge and bought it > for that reason. Your note of the inclusion of track pins and > instructions for S certainly does argue that it might have been marketed > for S gauge. Remember that Gilbert stopped making HO during the Korean > War, from 1951-1955. This would mean that there was undoubtedly left > over stock of this supposedly HO item, which being S sized would find a > ready market among S gaugers. > > As to the resistor, if it was in place and used on HO, it might only > have slowed the train down, rather than stopping it, depending of course > on the value of the resistor and the draw of the HO motors. Is it > possible that it was added when sold for use with S scale trains? > Daryl, Do you have instructions with your unit? Does it mention > anything about S gauge use? > > Dale > > On 1/14/2011 12:31 PM, Obe wrote: > > > > > > > > Is there any possibility that the HO-257 was ever sold as an S > accessory ? > > > > The reason I ask is that I have one that my father purchased for me in > > either 1950 or 1951.I never had anything but S trains and accessories. > > > > My father would not have bought an HO accessory for me. > > > > Also the pictures shows the resistor that is used to keep the e unit > > from sequencing.This would not work with HO dc power. > > > > My station also came with the fiber track pins,the instructions for S > > and the track lock. > > > > Unfortunately I threw out the original box in a fit of youthful > stupidity. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63046	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: Curb abd sidewalk question

Barb, On a previous layout I used masonite "plots".. http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/temp/constructionfront.jpg http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/temp/constructionside1.jpg You can build them at a table or workbench and easly remove them from the layout for modification or dusting Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63047	From: Herbert	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: Great train movies

Being a film buff, I really liked Stumpy's selections. Danger Lights has some great old time steam railroad scenes. I think it's the the only Hollywood movie to show a locomotive dynamometer. You can watch or download this movie from imdb.com. Herb W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63048	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: The Day The Earth Stood Still

I have never seen the movie, The Day The Earth Stood Still from start to finish, I usually catch it at the end, when the cab is going around and around DuPont Circle and you see the People’s Drug Store many times. Although they say in the move, the Army that they are headed towards Connecticut and Columbia road, which is near Adams-Morgan. Well, I miss the first five minutes last night. However, I do not know what is worse about the boy in the movie who takes Klaatu around the town. Not only did he have a New York Yankee hat on, while living in Washington, D. C. home to the first Washington Senators baseball club, but then he pulled out a train layout from underneath his bed, when his mother told him to go to bed. It was a Lionel train layout as he ran it for about 30 seconds in the movie. Klaatu did come in the room to ask to borrow a flashlight from the boy and he told the bob, whose name was Bobby, that where he comes from trains do not run on track. What ever happen to that baseball hat and train layout. Klaatu is not in spell check! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63049	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Train Show Sunday, Troy Michigan

For something different to do Sunday, there's a toy train & model railroad show in the Athens High School, 4333 John R (north of Wattles Rd) in Troy. Hours are 10 AM to 3 PM. Admission is $3, 12 & under free. There will be individuals selling off excess cars, locos, &c, and larger professional dealers with all kinds of stuff. Mine is all S scale (same size as the old American Flyer trains). And there will be several operating layouts set up in various scale & gauges. I'll bring my finished(?) F39 flat car, just as a conversation piece. Canadian cash will be accepted at one to one. Tom Hawley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63050	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: The Day The Earth Stood Still

On 1/15/2011 8:56 AM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > I have never seen the movie, The Day The Earth Stood Still from start to > finish, > Klaatu is not in spell check! I teach Linux at the local community college and Klaatu is the name of one of our servers and the other is Gort. I always have to explain to the the young students where the weird names came from. I had friends as a child that had small layouts that stored under their beds. I chuckle when Klaatu mentions that on his planet, they have trains that don't need rails. Magnetic levitation maybe? I have a book around here that is a reprint of old toy catalogs from the 50's - 70's and one of the the toys I wanted and never got was the monorail train. ;-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63051	From: snottpuppy124	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Power To The People

I know of a fella who lives in the Middle East who's is looking for AF 50's trains. He needs to know if theres a electrical device for running his trains. The voltage he gets is in the 240 volt ac range I'm told-one wire -not to be confused with our 220? 120vac power . the power we use is from o volts to 12volts ac.Is there a converter /step down transformer available for to solve this issue. Or is there something tjat he could build? Thanks. Snotty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63052	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: Power To The People

he should be able to use the converters they sell for European travelers from the US. As long as he does not want to run more than one train per converter. These should be avail. at any airport gift shop. If he wants more power a 240 to 120 step DOWN transformer should work. I have never tried putting 120 V to the High side of a regular transformer to get 18 volts out the low side. This might work with a 240 High end, to end up with 120 on the low side... Mike in Ore In a message dated 1/15/2011 10:33:56 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mlprell@... writes: I know of a fella who lives in the Middle East who's is looking for AF 50's trains. He needs to know if theres a electrical device for running his trains. The voltage he gets is in the 240 volt ac range I'm told-one wire -not to be confused with our 220? 120vac power . the power we use is from o volts to 12volts ac.Is there a converter /step down transformer available for to solve this issue. Or is there something tjat he could build? Thanks. Snotty [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63053	From: Carey Probst	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: Power To The People

Yes, Radio Shack and others make standard transformers that are designed for tourists from 120v countries to use in 220 or 240 volt countries. I used one all the time when I was traveling to London and Paris but not since. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 1/15/2011 11:49 AM, snottpuppy124 wrote: > > > > I know of a fella who lives in the Middle East who's is looking for AF > 50's trains. He needs to know if theres a electrical device for > running his trains. The voltage he gets is in the 240 volt ac range > I'm told-one wire -not to be confused with our 220? 120vac power . the > power we use is from o volts to 12volts ac.Is there a converter /step > down transformer available for to solve this issue. Or is there > something tjat he could build? > Thanks. > Snotty > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63054	From: Timboy	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Gentlemen: I got busy this morning. I'm done painting and sprinkling. Next up will be to sand and paint the fascia, then glue down some of my vegetation matting in places. Anyway, pics and details of my progress are at: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63055	From: David	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: Power To The People

Walmart also has a travel power converter that works in a number of countries across the world. I think it costs about $20 and has several different connectors. I've used mine in Europe and China so far. I'll probably go to India later this year and it should work there also. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "snottpuppy124" <mlprell@...> wrote: > > > > > > > I know of a fella who lives in the Middle East who's is looking for AF 50's trains. He needs to know if theres a electrical device for running his trains. The voltage he gets is in the 240 volt ac range I'm told-one wire -not to be confused with our 220? 120vac power . the power we use is from o volts to 12volts ac.Is there a converter /step down transformer available for to solve this issue. Or is there something tjat he could build? > Thanks. > Snotty >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63056	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: Power To The People

Sems to me that if Flyer and Lionel sold their trains in other countries that they would have made transformers for that country or at least some means of powering the transformers in that country. > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > From: s-scale@... > Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 14:28:51 -0500 > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Power To The People > > Yes, Radio Shack and others make standard transformers that are designed > for tourists from 120v countries to use in 220 or 240 volt countries. I > used one all the time when I was traveling to London and Paris but not > since. > > Carey > > Carey Probst > > Member, M.I.T. Educational Council > > S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF > > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, > > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. > > > On 1/15/2011 11:49 AM, snottpuppy124 wrote: > > > > > > > > I know of a fella who lives in the Middle East who's is looking for AF > > 50's trains. He needs to know if theres a electrical device for > > running his trains. The voltage he gets is in the 240 volt ac range > > I'm told-one wire -not to be confused with our 220? 120vac power . the > > power we use is from o volts to 12volts ac.Is there a converter /step > > down transformer available for to solve this issue. Or is there > > something tjat he could build? > > Thanks. > > Snotty > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63057	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: Power To The People

They did, at least Gilbert did. I saw one on E-Bay 7 years ago with a 220v Transformer. Pretty rare, as I think it was from South America. Mike In a message dated 1/15/2011 1:09:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, danceswithwolves49@... writes: Sems to me that if Flyer and Lionel sold their trains in other countries that they would have made transformers for that country or at least some means of powering the transformers in that country. > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > From: _s-scale@..._ (mailto:s-scale@...) > Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 14:28:51 -0500 > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Power To The People > > Yes, Radio Shack and others make standard transformers that are designed > for tourists from 120v countries to use in 220 or 240 volt countries. I > used one all the time when I was traveling to London and Paris but not > since. > > Carey > > Carey Probst > > Member, M.I.T. Educational Council > > S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF > > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, > > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. > > > On 1/15/2011 11:49 AM, snottpuppy124 wrote: > > > > > > > > I know of a fella who lives in the Middle East who's is looking for AF > > 50's trains. He needs to know if theres a electrical device for > > running his trains. The voltage he gets is in the 240 volt ac range > > I'm told-one wire -not to be confused with our 220? 120vac power . the > > power we use is from o volts to 12volts ac.Is there a converter /step > > down transformer available for to solve this issue. Or is there > > something tjat he could build? > > Thanks. > > Snotty > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at _http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo_ (http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Yahoo) ! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63058	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: Power To The People

Yes, AF made transformers for 220-240 V use. I have two in my basement, both I think model 8B - Although I don't use it. I use the other alternative - that is using a stepdown transformer from 220 to 110, and then a dual handle 16B [which works well, although I think I need to get a more modern transformer (MTH 4000) for modern SHS/AM/Putt/AF engines. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 1/15/2011 10:01 PM, Robert Lampe wrote: > > > Sems to me that if Flyer and Lionel sold their trains in other > countries that they would have made transformers for that country or > at least some means of powering the transformers in that country. > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: s-scale@... <mailto:s-scale%40hcprobst.com> > > Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 14:28:51 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Power To The People > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63059	From: Larry Asp	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: Train Show Sunday, Troy Michigan

Also - on Sunday Jan 16, there is an annual model train show at the Paris Fair Grounds in Paris Ontario. (US cash taken at par -a t least at my table). Paris is about an hour west of Toronto, about 20 minutes west from Hamilton - can be accessed off hiway 403. At least 3 S scale AF enthusiasts will be there. N scale, Lionel, and Garden railway setups too. On 2011-01-15, at 12:51 PM, Tom Hawley wrote: > For something different to do Sunday, there's a toy train & model railroad show in the Athens High School, 4333 John R (north of Wattles Rd) in Troy. > > Hours are 10 AM to 3 PM. Admission is $3, 12 & under free. > > There will be individuals selling off excess cars, locos, &c, and larger professional dealers with all kinds of stuff. Mine is all S scale (same size as the old American Flyer trains). And there will be several operating layouts set up in various scale & gauges. > > I'll bring my finished(?) F39 flat car, just as a conversation piece. > > Canadian cash will be accepted at one to one. > > Tom Hawley > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63060	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: Power To The People

On 1/15/2011 9:49 AM, snottpuppy124 wrote: > I know of a fella who lives in the Middle East who's is looking for AF > 50's trains. He needs to know if there's a electrical device for running > his trains. The voltage he gets is in the 240 volt ac range I'm told-one > wire -not to be confused with our 220? 120vac power What he needs is either a toy transformer made especially for 220-240 primary operation or something like these: http://tinyurl.com/4ky3vne Those are step down transformers from http://www.allelectronics.com that are of various wattage's. He could probably find something suitable there. Be careful of using the supermarket/drugstore type converters as they are usually for small appliances like razors and such and might not have enough wattage ratings. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63061	From: David	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: Power To The People

Walmart has two converters each good to 1850 watts. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: > > On 1/15/2011 9:49 AM, snottpuppy124 wrote: > > > I know of a fella who lives in the Middle East who's is looking for AF > > 50's trains. He needs to know if there's a electrical device for running > > his trains. The voltage he gets is in the 240 volt ac range I'm told-one > > wire -not to be confused with our 220? 120vac power > > What he needs is either a toy transformer made especially for 220-240 > primary operation or something like these: http://tinyurl.com/4ky3vne > > Those are step down transformers from http://www.allelectronics.com that > are of various wattage's. He could probably find something suitable there. > > Be careful of using the supermarket/drugstore type converters as they > are usually for small appliances like razors and such and might not have > enough wattage ratings. > > George Cohn >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63062	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: The Day the Earth Stood Still

Now Mikie, don't whup on Klaatu and Twentieth Century Fox too bad! To most Sc-fi film historians, it is one of the five best classic science fiction films of the era. Here's the list: "The Thing(from another world)" RKO 1950 "The Day the Earth Stood Still" 20th Century 1951 "War of The Worlds" Paramount 1953 "This Island Earth" Universal 1953 "Forbidden Planet" MGM 1956 These five show the best writing, directing, and special effects of the era for this type of film. Only "Forbidden Planet" was made on an "A" movie budget. Yet each represented quite an effort for their various studios. As we all know science fiction was not considered "big movie" material in those days, with most sci-fi written coming out in "pulp" magazines, comic books, and the like. With 90% of sci-fi films being "B" movie efforts to fill the bottom of a double feature market, there were a LOT of real dogs, the all time worst being "Plan 9 from Outer Space." Who could have known at the time that guys like Steven Speilberg and George Lucas, who were sitting in the audiance then, would turn science fiction into big budget, block buster flms one day? Stumpy Stone...Klaatu verada nikto.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63063	From: Keith Thompson	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: 326 driver fix

I've acquired a 326 with a wobbly front driver (axle may be bent?). I have everything apart (figure it would be a good chance to clean things) and I'm wondering what options I have for repair. I'm thinking I need to take the driver off. If so, how does the driver come off? :) The driver looks like it is simply pressed on the axle. If I do get it off, can it be replaced? Should I punt and seek professional help! Thanks. kbt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63064	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Need Don Rosa's new email (af2rail@comcast.net)

Don, Your email is being returned. Can you contact me with your new phone number? Steve Blackburn S-n-S Trains 3239 N. Pepperwood Dr. Boise, Idaho 83704 208-376-1159 _www.sns-trains.com_ (http://www.sns-trains.com/) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63065	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: The Day the Earth Stood Still

Stumpy, I know as I was just having a bit of fun with it. Mike From: mrstumpy50 Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:47 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE:The Day the Earth Stood Still Now Mikie, don't whup on Klaatu and Twentieth Century Fox too bad! To most Sc-fi film historians, it is one of the five best classic science fiction films of the era. Here's the list: "The Thing(from another world)" RKO 1950 "The Day the Earth Stood Still" 20th Century 1951 "War of The Worlds" Paramount 1953 "This Island Earth" Universal 1953 "Forbidden Planet" MGM 1956 These five show the best writing, directing, and special effects of the era for this type of film. Only "Forbidden Planet" was made on an "A" movie budget. Yet each represented quite an effort for their various studios. As we all know science fiction was not considered "big movie" material in those days, with most sci-fi written coming out in "pulp" magazines, comic books, and the like. With 90% of sci-fi films being "B" movie efforts to fill the bottom of a double feature market, there were a LOT of real dogs, the all time worst being "Plan 9 from Outer Space." Who could have known at the time that guys like Steven Speilberg and George Lucas, who were sitting in the audiance then, would turn science fiction into big budget, block buster flms one day? Stumpy Stone...Klaatu verada nikto. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63066	From: Robert	Date: 1/15/2011
Subject: Re: Power To The People

I don't know 100% about such things but what about amperage? Shouldn't you make sure that the power transformer has enough amps to power the train transformer and on the other hand not so much amps that it'll burn out the train transformer? The safest bet would be to get a train transformer built for the power of the country you're in. As a last resort maybe an electrical engineer versed in that electricity could build one.I know that someone will say having one built might cost a fortune. that is true and I do not disagree BUT what is the value of life? Just being safety conscious here.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63067	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/16/2011
Subject: Re: 326 driver fix

You should use a wheel puller and remove it. A quartering tool is very important to have to get it back on in the proper quarter.But, it is most likely that the tire is on the hub crooked. If that is the problem you can fix it sometimes without removing the wheel from the loco. If it is not too greasy, you can slide the tire toward the chassis and put a small bit of super glue around the white insulator and quickly press the tire back onto the insulator. Steve SnS Traiins....Boise In a message dated 1/15/2011 7:41:22 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, kbt1@... writes: I've acquired a 326 with a wobbly front driver (axle may be bent?). I have everything apart (figure it would be a good chance to clean things) and I'm wondering what options I have for repair. I'm thinking I need to take the driver off. If so, how does the driver come off? :) The driver looks like it is simply pressed on the axle. If I do get it off, can it be replaced? Should I punt and seek professional help! Thanks. kbt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63068	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 1/16/2011
Subject: Re: Power To The People

Generally the step-down transformers (from 220-240 to 110-120) have fairly high wattage ratings - say 1000 to 1500 since they were basically made for kitchen type appliances (toaster ovens, coffee grinders, etc.). I have 2-1500 W stepdown transformers - one in the kitchen to handle some of the 120 V appliances that we brought from the US when we moved, and one for my trains (I just usually run some around the track for the grandchildren, no accessories set up as yet). I haven't tried either of the 2 AC Gilbert's 8B European/South American transformers that I have pining away. But the 1500 watt handles all that I need at the current time. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 1/16/2011 5:42 AM, Robert wrote: > > I don't know 100% about such things but what about amperage? Shouldn't > you make sure that the power transformer has enough amps to power the > train transformer and on the other hand not so much amps that it'll > burn out the train transformer? The safest bet would be to get a train > transformer built for the power of the country you're in. As a last > resort maybe an electrical engineer versed in that electricity could > build one.I know that someone will say having one built might cost a > fortune. that is true and I do not disagree BUT what is the value of > life? Just being safety conscious here. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63069	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 1/16/2011
Subject: New D&RGW Pa's

Just got my new D&RGW Pa's. They look beautiful. They run fine in forward. In Reverse, (for those of you old enough to remember) They sound like Fibber Magee's closet. They are making all kinds of noise. Guess 'll have to take to the Lionel repair shop. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63070	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/16/2011
Subject: Re: Power To The People

On 1/15/2011 9:42 PM, Robert wrote: > I don't know 100% about such things but what about amperage? Shouldn't > you make sure that the power transformer has enough amps to power the > train transformer and on the other hand not so much amps that it'll burn > out the train transformer? You can't burn out a transformer by providing it with too many supply amps. Keep in mind that the average US household outlet is rated to supply 15 amps at 110 - 120 volts nominal. Multiply amps times volts and you have the rough wattage, so a 15 amp outlet at 110 volts is capable of supplying 1,650 watts. The train transformer may be rated at 100 watts so that means it's primary current will be just under 1 amp from that outlet at 110 volts under full load. You can't force more amps through the transformer primary than it wants to draw. So as an example, lets say you had one of those step down transformers rated at 500 watts. That means that you could possibly supply five of the 100 watt A/C Gilbert transformers off of it at the same time, however, I would probably only run 4 to provide a safety margin so as to not overload the step down transformer. Many people are mystified by electrical stuff but this is basic electricity 101. You should hear the misconceptions on electrical stuff on the car lists I frequent! ;-) I was an electronics tech for many years before I migrated to information technology. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63071	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/16/2011
Subject: Re: New D&RGW Pa's

Sorry to hear Flyonel is still failing out of the box.. yesterday, PVMR lost its long serving AM Baldwin switcher, the spring drive "sprung", now I need to find something better. Jim "running trains beside the Keystone Main" Lyle In a message dated 1/16/2011 9:45:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, nowofinance@... writes: Just got my new D&RGW Pa's. They look beautiful. They run fine in forward. In Reverse, (for those of you old enough to remember) They sound like Fibber Magee's closet. They are making all kinds of noise. Guess 'll have to take to the Lionel repair shop. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63072	From: michael prell	Date: 1/16/2011
Subject: Re: Power To The People

Thanks for all of your replys to my question. If this input doesn't do it, then I don't know what to tell the guy. This is part of what makes this group great, Thanks again. Mike "S"-notty-Prell.   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sun, 1/16/11, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: From: George Cohn <gwcohn@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Power To The People To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 16, 2011, 10:20 AM   On 1/15/2011 9:42 PM, Robert wrote: > I don't know 100% about such things but what about amperage? Shouldn't > you make sure that the power transformer has enough amps to power the > train transformer and on the other hand not so much amps that it'll burn > out the train transformer? You can't burn out a transformer by providing it with too many supply amps. Keep in mind that the average US household outlet is rated to supply 15 amps at 110 - 120 volts nominal. Multiply amps times volts and you have the rough wattage, so a 15 amp outlet at 110 volts is capable of supplying 1,650 watts. The train transformer may be rated at 100 watts so that means it's primary current will be just under 1 amp from that outlet at 110 volts under full load. You can't force more amps through the transformer primary than it wants to draw. So as an example, lets say you had one of those step down transformers rated at 500 watts. That means that you could possibly supply five of the 100 watt A/C Gilbert transformers off of it at the same time, however, I would probably only run 4 to provide a safety margin so as to not overload the step down transformer. Many people are mystified by electrical stuff but this is basic electricity 101. You should hear the misconceptions on electrical stuff on the car lists I frequent! ;-) I was an electronics tech for many years before I migrated to information technology. George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63073	From: michael prell	Date: 1/16/2011
Subject: Re: The Day the Earth Stood Still

It was THE THING that came the closest to actual realistic dialog. The director was no lightweight. For my money, the Creature series was up there as well. Snotty   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 1/15/11, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE:The Day the Earth Stood Still To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 8:47 PM   Now Mikie, don't whup on Klaatu and Twentieth Century Fox too bad! To most Sc-fi film historians, it is one of the five best classic science fiction films of the era. Here's the list: "The Thing(from another world)" RKO 1950 "The Day the Earth Stood Still" 20th Century 1951 "War of The Worlds" Paramount 1953 "This Island Earth" Universal 1953 "Forbidden Planet" MGM 1956 These five show the best writing, directing, and special effects of the era for this type of film. Only "Forbidden Planet" was made on an "A" movie budget. Yet each represented quite an effort for their various studios. As we all know science fiction was not considered "big movie" material in those days, with most sci-fi written coming out in "pulp" magazines, comic books, and the like. With 90% of sci-fi films being "B" movie efforts to fill the bottom of a double feature market, there were a LOT of real dogs, the all time worst being "Plan 9 from Outer Space." Who could have known at the time that guys like Steven Speilberg and George Lucas, who were sitting in the audiance then, would turn science fiction into big budget, block buster flms one day? Stumpy Stone...Klaatu verada nikto. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63074	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 1/16/2011
Subject: speaking of streets

Is there a product on the market for streets in S Gauge? I see them advertised for other gauges. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63075	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: GP-7 Demonstrator

I was curious what the GP-7 demonstrator looked like and I found this photo on-line.. http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/emd100.jpg Compare it to the Flyer 370.. http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/photos/locomotives/370.JPG Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63076	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/16/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday January 16, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63077	From: gigeastman	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: 18B Transformer

I have had a 18B for a few years and had never used it. I just replaced the cord and cleaned it up a bit. When I put something on the track with a new can type motor that will run at very low voltages, they start to run even with the throttle all the way off. I know they say 7-15 volts, but isn't off supposed to be off or is this normal? If not normal, what should I look for? thanks Steve "Papa" Eastman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63078	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: British S gauge cars for Thomas?

Does anyone have a source for the old style British 2 axle passenger and freight cars in S gauge? Either R2R, kits or plans. I am currently working on a Thomas the Tank project and could use realistic cars for Thomas and Percy to pull. As these are to have the faces installed and run on our club's modular layout for children's benefit "Rivet Counting" is decidedly not an issue. Kyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63079	From: David	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Sidewalks Kit in "S" for Barb & others

Hi Barb and everyone else, Bar Mills has an "S" sidewalk kit. You can see it on their website. Just google "bar mills" and you will find their web site. Scroll down the main page and you will see a link to the sidewalk kit. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63080	From: Donald Keil	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Re: British S gauge cars for Thomas?

Are you making Thomas and Percy engines from scratch. I like to make one for my grand child Is yours made out of wood or is it plastic? thanks Don Keil ________________________________ From: Kyle Russell <kbrussel@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, January 16, 2011 1:58:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] British S gauge cars for Thomas? Does anyone have a source for the old style British 2 axle passenger and freight cars in S gauge? Either R2R, kits or plans. I am currently working on a Thomas the Tank project and could use realistic cars for Thomas and Percy to pull. As these are to have the faces installed and run on our club's modular layout for children's benefit "Rivet Counting" is decidedly not an issue. Kyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63081	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Re: GP-7 Demonstrator

Looks familiar, don't it? I understand that they had several of these demos, and the C&NW got one, which eventually got to the Illinois Railway Museum, if I recall correctly. Please note: message attached From: Brady Burdge <brady@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] GP-7 Demonstrator Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:11:38 -0600 ____________________________________________________________ Moms Asked to Return to School Grant Funding May Be Available to Those That Qualify. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d3439fa7c27fb579b2st05duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63082	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Re: Front coupler on 4-8-4 (336) engine

Yes, we still have the "DoubleHeader Drawbar" assemblies ($10.95). It mounts to the front pilot of one engine (Northern or Hudson, primarily, so that another KC engine can be attached in front of it. No permanent changes required. Listed in our online AF PARTS catalog, under NORTHERNS, or HUDSONS. The only caution is that it is unusual for two AF engines with original motors to run at the same speed. As a result, one will be "fighting" the other, and you risk motor overheating. Best used with a dummy engine, or two engines with can motors. <<> Portlines used to offer a conversion to double head Fler steam locos, which would give yo and operable front coupler "kit bash" right out of the package. However, I don't recall it being designed to work with the 4-8-4, so check with Doug about that.>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/> www.sgaugetrains.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63083	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Re: Front coupler for 4-8-4 (336 etc ) engine

J.R.---- See "Double-Header Drawbar" in our Hudson or Northern Parts listings. <<Does anyone have any ideas on how to mount a front coupler on a 4-8-4 (336 etc. )engine? Any ideas would be Greatly appreciated,>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/> www.sgaugetrains.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63084	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Re: 18B Transformer

This is normal. Unless you have lifted the "dead man" handle there is approximately 7 volts supplied to the track. This is enough to make most can motor, but not all locomotives creep. From: gigeastman Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 8:30 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 18B Transformer I have had a 18B for a few years and had never used it. I just replaced the cord and cleaned it up a bit. When I put something on the track with a new can type motor that will run at very low voltages, they start to run even with the throttle all the way off. I know they say 7-15 volts, but isn't off supposed to be off or is this normal? If not normal, what should I look for? thanks Steve "Papa" Eastman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63085	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: ONLINE SHOPPING CART is open for business.............."S"acto tours

One of the benefits of registering early for the NMRA convention is the first shot at buying tickets for tours and other extra fare events. Effective today, anyone who registered by the end of the Hartford convention in 2009 has a jump on anyone else to buy those tickets. No forms to print and mail in. It is all online. Just click this link: <http://www.x2011west.org/earlyaccess.php> X 2011 West Tour Sales (or enter this URL in your browser: http://www.x2011west.org/earlyaccess.php ) We all look forward to having you join us in Sacramento for X2011West, the Unconventional Convention. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63086	From: David	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: "S" Sidewalk Kits for Barb

Hi Barb, You can find "S" sidewalk kits at: http://www.barmillsmodels.com/ Scroll down the page until you see the section titled: BAR MILLS "BASICS" This section has a link to Sidewalks In-A-Snap. Click on this to go to the next page. The sidewalks are at the bottom of this page. Daivd

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63087	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: The Day the Earth Stood Still

Well, it's obvious that most of us are of "that age" where trains were much more common and sci-fi movies were either wonders of technology or featured the worst Hollywood could produce. Actually, little has changed. Trains are less visible to today's youth perhaps, but no less important to the nation than they were before. And Hollywood is still amazing us, yet still makes really bad films too! And yes Mike, I took your humor for what it was. Even the great movies are dated and campy to us now! But just like playing with old trains, watching old movies takes us back to a warm and familiar place. Old movies are like old friends, they remain the way they were. They take you back to a simpler time a time we perceive all these years latrer as a better time. The Day the Earth Stood Still also points out something else. Compare the original with the remake of a few years ago. The original was a fine story, well told and well acted. The remake was loaded with high dollar special effects, but disjointed and depressing. In a way, the two films also show us how we feel about our lives. The happy memories of the past vs. the mess we feel we're in today. Good science fiction has always been about human nature and how it handles adversity, or technology, or any number of variables. Good sci-fi makes us look at ourselves, but cloaked in a format where that look isn't grindingly obvious. And, oddly, that brings us back to our trains. In playing with trains we are masters of our own world, with the biggest adversary a derailment or a poor electrical connection, but always something we can fix. We're in control, the rest of the world fades away for a time, and we are comfortable in an otherwise often uncomfortable world. Stumpy...home grown psycologist in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63088	From: Tom	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Re: 326 driver fix

iF THE AXLE IS GREASY OR DIRTY clean with alcohol on cotton swab or pipe cleaner Tom David   For a great Florida Vacation click here  mydisneyvacationcondo.weebly.com -----Original Message----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Jan 15, 2011 11:43 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 326 driver fix You should use a wheel puller and remove it. A quartering tool is very important to have to get it back on in the proper quarter.But, it is most likely that the tire is on the hub crooked. If that is the problem you can fix it sometimes without removing the wheel from the loco. If it is not too greasy, you can slide the tire toward the chassis and put a small bit of super glue around the white insulator and quickly press the tire back onto the insulator. Steve SnS Traiins....Boise In a message dated 1/15/2011 7:41:22 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, kbt1@... writes: I've acquired a 326 with a wobbly front driver (axle may be bent?). I have everything apart (figure it would be a good chance to clean things) and I'm wondering what options I have for repair. I'm thinking I need to take the driver off. If so, how does the driver come off? :) The driver looks like it is simply pressed on the axle. If I do get it off, can it be replaced? Should I punt and seek professional help! Thanks. kbt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63089	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Re: 18B Transformer

Current is not disconnected to the track until the handle is disengaged from the cradle. Normal. Roy on 1/16/11 8:30 PM, gigeastman at gigeastman@... wrote: > > > > > > I have had a 18B for a few years and had never used it. I just replaced the > cord and cleaned it up a bit. When I put something on the track with a new can > type motor that will run at very low voltages, they start to run even with the > throttle all the way off. I know they say 7-15 volts, but isn't off supposed > to be off or is this normal? If not normal, what should I look for? > > thanks > > Steve "Papa" Eastman > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63090	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Re: 18B Transformer

Hi Steve, That is a feature of those transformers and the matching trains. The idea was to keep enough voltage on the track to avoid tripping the reverse unit. The operator could stop and go at a station or accessory. To completely break the power and activate the reverse unit, lift the handle. That will open the circuit. I have heard it called a "dead man switch", but, that is not really what it is. A DMS would be the reverse. It would keep the power on until released by the last man alive on the battleship. Bill Reply from Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gigeastman Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 9:31 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 18B Transformer I have had a 18B for a few years and had never used it. I just replaced the cord and cleaned it up a bit. When I put something on the track with a new can type motor that will run at very low voltages, they start to run even with the throttle all the way off. I know they say 7-15 volts, but isn't off supposed to be off or is this normal? If not normal, what should I look for? thanks Steve "Papa" Eastman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63091	From: richs009	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Re: Curb abd sidewalk question

Barb, et al. -- like David said -- it depends... But seems to me you could use 1/8 inch thick hardboard as the base for your houses/buildings, etc. At S-scale, that gives you a prototype curb height of about 8 inches. Hardboard (aka masonite) is easy to file and sand to make things like driveway cuts, etc. It takes paint and glue well. A big advantage is that its not very expensive and comes in 2 x 4, 4 x 4 and 4 x 8 sheets. BTW, the crown in the street in front of my house is at least as tall as the top of the curb -- probably slightly taller (by eyeball...). Not that I'm advocating crowning the roads on your layout... though I guess you could do that using card stock slightly wider than the distance between the hardboard pieces defining the curbs - the cardstock would bow up to create the crown. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi Barb, > > The answer is as always - it depends - lol. > > I am at the stage in my layout that I am ready to install roads, sidewalks, driveways, parking lots, etc. > > I have been experimenting with several ideas. One was to use spackle to build the roads, sidewalks, driveways, etc. This allows you to feather the thickness so that you do not need to elevate the buildings. Another positive is the low cost. I think I will use this method to "pour" floors in my Plasticville houses. > > Another method is a Walthers HO scale roadway kit made of plastic. The roadway is black and is beveled with a crown. The sidewalks are grey plastic with curbs molded in. With these you would need to elevate the buildings mabye 1/8" or so. This is a fairly expensive option and you would probably need to order directly from Walthers to get enough to do any extensive area. I do not know if they sell the sidewalks separately or if you need to get the roadway kit to get the sidewalks. (I have only seen one set of this is a hobby shop and that was a chance encounter in Nashville.) > > I am now experimenting with Woodland Scenics "painted" roadways and sidewalks. When used with Woodland Scenics grass mat surface, you remove the grass and paint the roadways (black for asphalt) and sidewalks (a greyish concrete color) onto the mat. What I have done so far looks really nice, but this stuff is expensive and difficult to find also. You would probably need to buy directly from Woodland Scenics for any large quantity. (I have found only one bottle of each type in all of Houston.) If you are interested there is a video of this system of the Woodland Scenics website. > > If it would help I can upload some photos of all of these options for you to check out. > > David > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, barb <rcespeak@> wrote: > > > > For my fellow modelers, I have a question. I want to put > > curbs and sidewalks in my town. What are your techniques > > for doing this? Lower the roads? Raise all the houses and > > stores to the roads? Raise just the section near the road? > > Or just forget it? > > > > All input is appreciated.... Thanks.... Barb > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63092	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Re: 18B Transformer

Flyer transformers with red/orange handles when put to "0"MPH kept current so that the engine would not go to neutral. To stop power to the track/engine, lift the handle up. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "gigeastman" <gigeastman@...> Sender: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 02:30:52 To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 18B Transformer I have had a 18B for a few years and had never used it. I just replaced the cord and cleaned it up a bit. When I put something on the track with a new can type motor that will run at very low voltages, they start to run even with the throttle all the way off. I know they say 7-15 volts, but isn't off supposed to be off or is this normal? If not normal, what should I look for? thanks Steve "Papa" Eastman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63093	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Re: D&RGW Pa's.

I suspect from your description of the problem, Jack, that the two small screws that attach the can motor to the retainer plate on the top of a power truck have become loose. In forward, the pitch of the worm gear pulls the motor down and results in normal quiet operation. In reverse, the two screws are required to keep the vertically mounted can motor firmly positioned. To fix the problem, one has to remove the truck side castings, the chassis from the shell and disassemble the offending power truck to gain access to the retaining plate. For someone who is handy using a couple of Phillips head screw drivers, it is about a half hour job, assuming my diagnosis is correct. Disassembly, by the way, will illustrate the big improvement of the 6-wheel new power over the older versions of the Flyer diesel power trucks. You will find polished Ni-plated axles, substantial separate drop-in bushings for the axles, and an idler gear setup to drive the wheel sets. Simple, effective, and durable, ...despite the Fibber Magee affect. ;-)) An embarrassment for Lionel to be sure but, I suspect, easily fixed. Bob Bubeck Just got my new D&RGW Pa's. They look beautiful. They run fine in forward. In Reverse, (for those of you old enough to remember) They sound like Fibber Magee's closet. They are making all kinds of noise. Guess 'll have to take to the Lionel repair shop. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63094	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit

I have not forgotten your pictures on the e-unit. I am a little slow but will get them done. Will send them as attachments. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:35 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit Harwood, Thanks. I would very much appreciate a shot of the left side with the slider on it that advances the rachet on the drum, a and "face"shot showing the main coil in the center, the lever moved by the solenoid across the bottom, and the return spring for that lever in the lower right hand corner. Then the side opposite the slider side, and the top where the fingers contact the drum. Would you consider selling a NOS unit? If so, what is your price for one? I think for one thing the return spring on this one's lever is shot. Only gravity seems to move the lever down away from the solenoid any more which doesn't always fully retract the slider on the left side with the "claw" at the top. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote: > > > I have about 1/2 dozen NOS, I can take some pictures of one. What kind of pictures do you want? > Harwood > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sgaugian dsme_horn@... > To: S-Trains S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:23 pm > Subject: [S-Trains] AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit > > > > > Have any of you tuned/repaired/rebuilt a 346 in-cab 4-position reverse unit? Do you have pictures of a "good" unit that you could share/post? I am working on one and could use some photos to be sure this one is configured and equipped the way it ought to be. What a great little device in theory, but delicate, imprecise, and unreliable in execution. No wonder it was not used more broadly. I'd still like to get this one working the best possible. Thanks. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63095	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: "S"acto Convention Stuff

Gents.(and ladies, too!)... For those searching for the major S scale activities at the convention, here are some numbers to help: L401 = S scale home layout tour including Amtrak and BART train rides. (all day Wednesday) R020 = NASG Roundhouse Revue & BBQ too! (Saturday evening) R021 = NASG Welcoming Gathering (Wednesday evening) Tickets are now on sale via the online shopping cart. See you in "S"acto...Ed L. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63096	From: gigeastman	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Re: 18B Transformer

Thank you for all the responses. It is good to know it is working as it should. thanks again Steve "Papa" Eastman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63097	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2011
Subject: Email off list

Bob Connor, please email me off list. Thanks, Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63098	From: Ray Puls	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Thomas

The request for Thomas I will help as I can. I have photos that were sent to me by Greg Mummert as a guide to his conversion in making a Thomas and a Percy. I also have pics as to how I made passenger cars out of the tenders that go with the Casey Jones locos. If this is what you are looking for please contact me Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63099	From: Keith Thompson	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: 326 driver fix

Thanks for everyone that replied. It was a great help and saved me some work. As several people suggested it was a matter of loose metal rims. I epoxied them back on the plastic wheels and the locomotive rolls level now. I just need to fix the wiring as one of the wires broke in disassembly. BTW the locomotive was permanently attached to the tender by one of the wires? Is this the way it came or did someone solder this in place? It looks like that wire could use a pin to plug in, like the others. Regards, kbt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63100	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Fw: Great use for Ford Consul

RR item from my friend John in Vancouver http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uChXOdz0Bk8&feature=related [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63101	From: s-nut	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Plano,Texas train show

From: Alan Lambert Lone Star Flyer Club Arlington, Texas Had a good show with 1 new vender for American Flyer. George Greenwood from Franklin Tn. was here and will venture down to San Antonio for next weekend show. We had our full layout upand Trinity S Scale had their layout up. We are the only 2 clubss in our area that setup locally. We still had alot of lookers. Hope to see some of you next time. I will the dates when they come up. Thanks, Alan Lambert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63102	From: John M	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Transformers

I've converted most of my locos to can motors. I've installed rectifiers in line between 16B and track. Now I'm wondering about using a DC transformer but I really don't know what to use. What are other folks using for DC transformers? Thanks All, Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63103	From: ron plyler	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: 293 style pacfic

Has anyone every seen a prototypical picture of the NH pacific that Gilbert might have used for a 293. The question I have is about the short headlight. I see the I-1 with a feed water heater but nothing on the light. Ron Plyler

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63104	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: Transformers

MRC makes some very nice ones. I use a 6200 which is a very powerful one as DC goes. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 1/18/2011 10:56:46 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, macflyer@... writes: I've converted most of my locos to can motors. I've installed rectifiers in line between 16B and track. Now I'm wondering about using a DC transformer but I really don't know what to use. What are other folks using for DC transformers? Thanks All, Mac [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63105	From: Robert	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: Transformers

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > MRC makes some very nice ones. I use a 6200 which is a very powerful one as > DC goes. > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise Steve if that's a website.....sns trains...when I tried going to it I was prompted that doing so may harm my computer.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63106	From: Herbert	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: Transformers

I got the same warning (using avast anti virus). --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote: > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@ wrote: > > > > MRC makes some very nice ones. I use a 6200 which is a very powerful one as > > DC goes. > > Steve > > SnS Trains > > Boise > > Steve if that's a website.....sns trains...when I tried going to it I was prompted that doing so may harm my computer. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63107	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: S n S

----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Steve if that's a website.....sns trains...when I tried going to it I was prompted that doing so may harm my computer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all have been getting that for a long time, and Steve n Sam deny there's a problem. You waste electrons telling us about it. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63108	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: SnS Web site

There is nothing harmful on the SnS Site. I have the very latest Kasprsky anti-virus and all is well. DON'T KNOW WHY THAT MESSAGE POPS UP. Steve In a message dated 1/18/2011 2:35:20 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, hwass@... writes: I got the same warning (using avast anti virus). --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "Robert" <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote: > > > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , boss31@ wrote: > > > > MRC makes some very nice ones. I use a 6200 which is a very powerful one as > > DC goes. > > Steve > > SnS Trains > > Boise > > Steve if that's a website.....sns trains...when I tried going to it I was prompted that doing so may harm my computer. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63109	From: Rick Evans	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: S n S

I got the same thing ..... course, I'm on a Mac so I don't hesitate to proceed. Rick On Jan 18, 2011, at 1:42 PM, Tom Hawley wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert > Steve if that's a website.....sns trains...when I tried going to it I was > prompted that doing so may harm my computer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all have been getting that for a long time, and Steve n Sam deny there's > a problem. You waste electrons telling us about it. > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63110	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: S n S

I just googled SnS and it something has taken over Steve’s site. I have been on Steve’s recently, so I am sure Steve is working to fix this. Steve is a good guy and does not deserve this, but sadly this is what happens in the computer world. Mike From: Tom Hawley Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 4:42 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S n S ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Steve if that's a website.....sns trains...when I tried going to it I was prompted that doing so may harm my computer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all have been getting that for a long time, and Steve n Sam deny there's a problem. You waste electrons telling us about it. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63111	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: SnS Web site

From: Alan Lambert � Lone Star Flyer Club �Arlington, Texas I get the samething with Webroot and just bypass it and go to the website. � Thanks, Alan --- On Tue, 1/18/11, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote: From: boss31@... <boss31@...> Subject: [S-Trains] SnS Web site To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 4:02 PM   There is nothing harmful on the SnS Site. I have the very latest Kasprsky anti-virus and all is well. DON'T KNOW WHY THAT MESSAGE POPS UP. Steve

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63112	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: "S"chedule of S-oriented events at "S"acto.....(aka X2011)

Gentlemen....(and ladies, too!)..... No matter how much information is dispensed, folks seem to want more. I guess that is human nature. The recently released online shopping cart lists only those items for which there is a fee. Many of you have asked for more scheduling information on no-fee events. Here is a listing for all S-related events and activities -- both fee and no-fee. Hopefully this will satisfy the craving for more detailed information. Details and photos can be seen on the web site at: http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html See you in "S"acto...Ed L. GENERAL OUTLINE OF 2011 NASG S SCALE CONVENTION Saturday, July 2: -- Advance Section: Home layout drive-it-yourself visit to Ed Loizeaux's NYC & WSLCo. S/Sn3 scale layout in Los Altos, CA. Open from 8:30 am to 2:00 pm. Open for all convention registrants. Monday, July 4: -- Display Layout: Gorgeous Sn3 layout on convention site primo location. Layout size is 10'x20' and viewable from all four sides. Will be on display all week. See NASG page on X2011 web site for photos & details. Wednesday, July 6 -- Layout tour (L401): Charter bus from convention center to Sacto RR station. (Early AM) Capitol RR (Amtrak) Sacto to Richmond (early in AM). BART from Richmond to Fremont. Charter bus from Fremont to Los Altos. Visit Ed Loizeaux's NYC S/Sn3 layout. Visit Don Harper's Sn3 layout in Livermore. No host lunch. Visit Arden Goehring's UP S layout in Lodi. Bus from Lodi to Sacramento. End of tour at 6:30 pm approx. Tickets via X2011W. See tour L401 for details. Open to all convention registrants. -- NASG Contest Room Schedule: Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 2:00 PM to 5:00 PM -- open for model entry and viewing Thursday, July 7, 2011, 10:00 AM to 5:00 PM -- open for model entry and viewing Friday, July 8, 2011, 10:00 AM to 5:00 PM -- open for model entry and viewing Saturday, July 9, 2011, 8:00 AM to 1:00 PM (judging & photography only) Saturday, July 9, 2011, 1:00 PM to 4:00 PM -- viewing and model pickup Wednesday, July 6 -- S-oriented Welcoming Gathering: Meeting in large room for socializing purposes. Presentation by Stephen Priest, Editor of NMRA's monthly magazine. Strawberry shortcake and coffee served. Begins at 8:00PM. Ends at 11:00 pm. See event R021. Open to all convention registrants. Thursday, July 7 -- NASG Swap Meet: Vendor Setup 7-9:00 AM. Open for business 9:00 AM through 9:00 PM. Room closed 1-2PM and 5:30-7PM for lunch/dinner. Tear down 9-11:00 PM. Tables $25 each. Tables sold via X2011W online shopping cart. See NASG page of X2011 web site for details. Open to all convention registrants. Thursday, July 7 -- S-scale YAHOO Group Meeting: 8PM-10:00PM Socializing opportunity for participants of the S-scale Yahoo Group. Friday, July 8 -- NASG Membership and Business Meeting: Begins 7:00PM. Ends 9:00PM. -- NASG Auction: Adjacent/near Business Meeting room. Setup for registering and viewing items 9:00 PM. Auction 9-11:00PM. Payment and shut down: 10:30-11:30 PM. Open to all registrants. Saturday July 9 -- NASG Banquet: Roundhouse Revue & BBQ too! Located in the California State RR Museum roundhouse. Doors open 5:30 PM. Roam exhibits and no host cocktail hour. Dinner: 6:30 pm to 8:00 (approx.). Roam exhibits: 8:00 to 8:45 pm. Musical and comedy entertainment: 9:00 pm to 9:45 pm After Dinner NASG Program: 10:00-11:30PM. Tickets sold via X2011W online registration system. Event R020. Open to all convention registrants.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63113	From: Robert	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: S n S

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: > > I got the same thing ..... course, I'm on a Mac so I don't hesitate to proceed. > > Rick > > > On Jan 18, 2011, at 1:42 PM, Tom Hawley wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Robert > > Steve if that's a website.....sns trains...when I tried going to it I was > > prompted that doing so may harm my computer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all have been getting that for a long time, and Steve n Sam deny there's > > a problem. You waste electrons telling us about it. > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich Gee I apologize. I guess this was supposed to have been common knowledge but then how you supposed to know anything when you're not told. Again my apologies.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63114	From: Robert	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: SnS Web site

THIS IS WHAT I GOT WHEN I GOOGLED THE SITE. This is the page that showed. SnS Trains This site may harm your computer. We started S-'n-S Trains in 1999 at the request of several S-Gaugers that wanted to see videos of other American Flyer and S-Gauge modelers around the US. ... SnS Trains..............ALBUM FORMAT .....Click on the photos for ... This site may harm your computer. SnS Trains..............ALBUM FORMAT .....Click on the photos for ... This site may harm your computer. SnS Trains offering great model railroad products and services.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63115	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: S n S

I get the same message using AVG antivirus. I don't think anyone is wasting electrons mentioning this. There has to be something there that is causing different anti-virus programs to report problems. If I were Steve and Sam, I would do something about this because it is undoubtedly causing them to lose business. Maybe they need to change web providers. I haven't been visiting the website because of the warning, though I wouldn't hesitate ordering from them. Dale Smith On 1/18/2011 1:42 PM, Tom Hawley wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert > Steve if that's a website.....sns trains...when I tried going to it I was > prompted that doing so may harm my computer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all have been getting that for a long time, and Steve n Sam deny > there's > a problem. You waste electrons telling us about it. > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63116	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: S n S

I need to modify this message a bit as I just realized that it is Google that is doing this, not my AVG. My AVG gave it safe marks I will feel free to visit it again. It looks like Google is practically libeling SnS trains by this notice. I hope they can get some assistance from Google to get this changed. Dale On 1/18/2011 3:26 PM, Dale Smith wrote: > I get the same message using AVG antivirus. I don't think anyone is > wasting electrons mentioning this. There has to be something there > that is causing different anti-virus programs to report problems. If > I were Steve and Sam, I would do something about this because it is > undoubtedly causing them to lose business. Maybe they need to change > web providers. I haven't been visiting the website because of the > warning, though I wouldn't hesitate ordering from them. > > Dale Smith > > On 1/18/2011 1:42 PM, Tom Hawley wrote: >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Robert >> Steve if that's a website.....sns trains...when I tried going to it I >> was >> prompted that doing so may harm my computer. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> We all have been getting that for a long time, and Steve n Sam deny >> there's >> a problem. You waste electrons telling us about it. >> Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63117	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: SnS Web site

This is the Google report on the website: What is the current listing status for sns-trains.com? Site is listed as suspicious - visiting this web site may harm your computer. Part of this site was listed for suspicious activity 3 time(s) over the past 90 days. What happened when Google visited this site? Of the 91 pages we tested on the site over the past 90 days, 83 page(s) resulted in malicious software being downloaded and installed without user consent. The last time Google visited this site was on 2011-01-17, and the last time suspicious content was found on this site was on 2011-01-17. If you have any third party links, they may be causing the warning. I would check all of the links by Googling them to find the suspicious one. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63118	From: Timboy	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Uh-oh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Trouble on the RR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63119	From: Robert	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > Uh-oh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Trouble on the RR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tim do ya think ya got enough support under that mountain?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63120	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: SnS Web site

I just keyed in www.sns-trains.com on my webrowser and it went through fine. As many of us know, Google is doing this to Steve. Steve, you need to contact Google, someone to find out what is going on. Best with this. Mike, a very satisfied customer of Steve’s. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63121	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Tim, What if you just blew up the mountain instead? Just kidding. Looks good. Mike From: Timboy Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 6:33 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Building a large AF layout Uh-oh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Trouble on the RR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63122	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: sidewalks

Barb, I can tell you using sandpaper, right color, texture, etc is a challenge when the glue dries out and it curls. David Martin uses basswood, scribes it and paints it. Once saw paint stirring sticks used, they warped as paint dried. Considering "masonite" now, have to see how the crew feels about that one. Ben Stiles says it works well for him. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63123	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: 2 years, 2 Months, and not sure how many days.

It was in November 2007, when I ordered from a favorite vendor, S scale RR crossing signals made by NJ Internationals and the circuit boards to operate them from TDP, inc. These signals are very realistic, in scale. For those on the TTML who run O gauge, they have these in O scale too. They work on light sensors that you put in the ballast or just the table. You can not see the sensors. I spent over 500 on these, as I have two sets of signals with crossing gates, one at a single track and one at a dual track, as you need one more circuit board in addition to the first board and a second set of sensors for 2 track operation. I got them all on the layout and the sensors in the track. Then you have to first program the lights to blink, then you program the ones with arms to have the servo’s go up and down for the rod connected to the gate. So, I attempted to set the lights to blink and I could not get anything to work. I emailed TDP as I was working with Paul on of the partners of TDP. He was very helpful, as I could still not get them to blink. I told him I had fluorescent lighting and he said that was the problem, so he mailed me special light sensors and still it could not work. So, I ended up mailing him all the lights and circuit boards, so he could set them for me. I got them back and sit they did not work. So he said I probably needed a regular type of light in the room to “warm” up the lighting and that worked. Now to set the servos. I could not get it. I think I sent them back 3 times for him to look at. Granted, months went by as I was working on buildings and other things. I finished my last building this summer, so it was time again to work on these things. Paul spent allot of time with me via emails, writing over and over instructions, as it turned out I was doing one extra step not written to do, as that was stopping the whole process. FINALLY, I got both set of servo’s to work! They are wonderful, I highly recommend them for any layout, as NJI has many other things for your layout. But one thing happen to the last signal with crossing arm, the rod came out, as you can not get it back on. NJI exchanged it with no problems, as I did buy this over 2 years ago and Christopher said he will stand behind any signal that has a problem. So my whole point of this is to let you know that Paul of TDP and Christopher of NJI take care of their customers, as I probably drove Paul nuts for two years. I wonder if he will miss my emails! Just kidding. The signals are very easy to program, you just have to really read it! http://www.njinternational.com/ http://www.trainspeed.com/ Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63124	From: Timboy	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Robert: That small tunnel is made out of solid "oatmeal", so I guess I'll just have to get a spoon and scrape away for some lateral clearance. Yummy! lol Micheal: Blow it up!?!?! You've been watching too many train movies! Hah-hah-hah-hah-hah! Thanks guys! Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63125	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit

When I put these pictures on can I submit them as attachments to the group or do I need to send them to the individuals who requested them. I will try attach some to email Harwood -----Original Message----- From: HOwingsiii <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 17, 2011 1:03 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit I have not forgotten your pictures on the e-unit. I am a little slow but will get them done. Will send them as attachments. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:35 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit Harwood, Thanks. I would very much appreciate a shot of the left side with the slider on it that advances the rachet on the drum, a and "face"shot showing the main coil in the center, the lever moved by the solenoid across the bottom, and the return spring for that lever in the lower right hand corner. Then the side opposite the slider side, and the top where the fingers contact the drum. Would you consider selling a NOS unit? If so, what is your price for one? I think for one thing the return spring on this one's lever is shot. Only gravity seems to move the lever down away from the solenoid any more which doesn't always fully retract the slider on the left side with the "claw" at the top. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote: > > > I have about 1/2 dozen NOS, I can take some pictures of one. What kind of pictures do you want? > Harwood > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sgaugian dsme_horn@... > To: S-Trains S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:23 pm > Subject: [S-Trains] AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit > > > > > Have any of you tuned/repaired/rebuilt a 346 in-cab 4-position reverse unit? Do you have pictures of a "good" unit that you could share/post? I am working on one and could use some photos to be sure this one is configured and equipped the way it ought to be. What a great little device in theory, but delicate, imprecise, and unreliable in execution. No wonder it was not used more broadly. I'd still like to get this one working the best possible. Thanks. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63126	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} "S"chedule of S-oriented events at "S"acto.....(a

Thank you, Ed Loizeaux, for doing your darnest to keep us informed and updated, and interested for over a year now! We are lucky to have you ! Full speed ahead now toward Sacramento! - Earl Henry, Music City In a message dated 1/18/2011 5:03:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, Loizeaux@... writes: Gentlemen....(and ladies, too!)..... No matter how much information is dispensed, folks seem to want more. I guess that is human nature. The recently released online shopping cart lists only those items for which there is a fee. Many of you have asked for more scheduling information on no-fee events. Here is a listing for all S-related events and activities -- both fee and no-fee. Hopefully this will satisfy the craving for more detailed information. Details and photos can be seen on the web site at: _http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html_ (http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html) See you in "S"acto...Ed L. GENERAL OUTLINE OF 2011 NASG S SCALE CONVENTION Saturday, July 2: -- Advance Section: Home layout drive-it-yourself visit to Ed Loizeaux's NYC & WSLCo. S/Sn3 scale layout in Los Altos, CA. Open from 8:30 am to 2:00 pm. Open for all convention registrants. Monday, July 4: -- Display Layout: Gorgeous Sn3 layout on convention site primo location. Layout size is 10'x20' and viewable from all four sides. Will be on display all week. See NASG page on X2011 web site for photos & details. Wednesday, July 6 -- Layout tour (L401): Charter bus from convention center to Sacto RR station. (Early AM) Capitol RR (Amtrak) Sacto to Richmond (early in AM). BART from Richmond to Fremont. Charter bus from Fremont to Los Altos. Visit Ed Loizeaux's NYC S/Sn3 layout. Visit Don Harper's Sn3 layout in Livermore. No host lunch. Visit Arden Goehring's UP S layout in Lodi. Bus from Lodi to Sacramento. End of tour at 6:30 pm approx. Tickets via X2011W. See tour L401 for details. Open to all convention registrants. -- NASG Contest Room Schedule: Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 2:00 PM to 5:00 PM -- open for model entry and viewing Thursday, July 7, 2011, 10:00 AM to 5:00 PM -- open for model entry and viewing Friday, July 8, 2011, 10:00 AM to 5:00 PM -- open for model entry and viewing Saturday, July 9, 2011, 8:00 AM to 1:00 PM (judging & photography only) Saturday, July 9, 2011, 1:00 PM to 4:00 PM -- viewing and model pickup Wednesday, July 6 -- S-oriented Welcoming Gathering: Meeting in large room for socializing purposes. Presentation by Stephen Priest, Editor of NMRA's monthly magazine. Strawberry shortcake and coffee served. Begins at 8:00PM. Ends at 11:00 pm. See event R021. Open to all convention registrants. Thursday, July 7 -- NASG Swap Meet: Vendor Setup 7-9:00 AM. Open for business 9:00 AM through 9:00 PM. Room closed 1-2PM and 5:30-7PM for lunch/dinner. Tear down 9-11:00 PM. Tables $25 each. Tables sold via X2011W online shopping cart. See NASG page of X2011 web site for details. Open to all convention registrants. Thursday, July 7 -- S-scale YAHOO Group Meeting: 8PM-10:00PM Socializing opportunity for participants of the S-scale Yahoo Group. Friday, July 8 -- NASG Membership and Business Meeting: Begins 7:00PM. Ends 9:00PM. -- NASG Auction: Adjacent/near Business Meeting room. Setup for registering and viewing items 9:00 PM. Auction 9-11:00PM. Payment and shut down: 10:30-11:30 PM. Open to all registrants. Saturday July 9 -- NASG Banquet: Roundhouse Revue & BBQ too! Located in the California State RR Museum roundhouse. Doors open 5:30 PM. Roam exhibits and no host cocktail hour. Dinner: 6:30 pm to 8:00 (approx.). Roam exhibits: 8:00 to 8:45 pm. Musical and comedy entertainment: 9:00 pm to 9:45 pm After Dinner NASG Program: 10:00-11:30PM. Tickets sold via X2011W online registration system. Event R020. Open to all convention registrants. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63127	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

YAH!! JUST KIDDING, you put allot of work in this. It will be fine in the end, as I know about redoing things on a layout. Mike From: Timboy Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:00 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Building a large AF layout Robert: That small tunnel is made out of solid "oatmeal", so I guess I'll just have to get a spoon and scrape away for some lateral clearance. Yummy! lol Micheal: Blow it up!?!?! You've been watching too many train movies! Hah-hah-hah-hah-hah! Thanks guys! Timboy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63128	From: Robert	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: SnS Web site

I had been using Mozilla Firefox because I've been getting text error messages on Internet Explorer. I closed Mozilla Firefox and opened IE and typed it in and it went right to it. I then close IE and reopened Mozilla Firefox and typed it in and I got that reddish brown rectangle again with that warning. as near as I can figure Google started it and Mozilla picked up on it. When I do a Google search from IE all is as it should be. I went back to Mozilla Firefox and did another search and it also was as it should be but when I clicked on one of the links to go to the website to go to the website I got that same warning. It's got to be some glitch between Mozilla and Google

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63129	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit

When I put these pictures on can I submit them as attachments to the group or do I need to send them to the individuals who requested them. I will try attach some to email Harwood -----Original Message----- From: HOwingsiii <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 17, 2011 1:03 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit I have not forgotten your pictures on the e-unit. I am a little slow but will get them done. Will send them as attachments. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:35 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit Harwood, Thanks. I would very much appreciate a shot of the left side with the slider on it that advances the rachet on the drum, a and "face"shot showing the main coil in the center, the lever moved by the solenoid across the bottom, and the return spring for that lever in the lower right hand corner. Then the side opposite the slider side, and the top where the fingers contact the drum. Would you consider selling a NOS unit? If so, what is your price for one? I think for one thing the return spring on this one's lever is shot. Only gravity seems to move the lever down away from the solenoid any more which doesn't always fully retract the slider on the left side with the "claw" at the top. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote: > > > I have about 1/2 dozen NOS, I can take some pictures of one. What kind of pictures do you want? > Harwood > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sgaugian dsme_horn@... > To: S-Trains S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:23 pm > Subject: [S-Trains] AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit > > > > > Have any of you tuned/repaired/rebuilt a 346 in-cab 4-position reverse unit? Do you have pictures of a "good" unit that you could share/post? I am working on one and could use some photos to be sure this one is configured and equipped the way it ought to be. What a great little device in theory, but delicate, imprecise, and unreliable in execution. No wonder it was not used more broadly. I'd still like to get this one working the best possible. Thanks. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63130	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/18/2011
Subject: Re: S n S

Probably malwear (however it¹s spelled). One of my web sites was hacked several months ago, this stuff inserted and the same message appeared to any visitors. It took a complete rebuild to get rid of it. Roy on 1/18/11 5:26 PM, Dale Smith at dfsmith26@... wrote: > > > > > > I get the same message using AVG antivirus. I don't think anyone is > wasting electrons mentioning this. There has to be something there that > is causing different anti-virus programs to report problems. If I were > Steve and Sam, I would do something about this because it is undoubtedly > causing them to lose business. Maybe they need to change web > providers. I haven't been visiting the website because of the warning, > though I wouldn't hesitate ordering from them. > > Dale Smith > > On 1/18/2011 1:42 PM, Tom Hawley wrote: >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Robert >> > Steve if that's a website.....sns trains...when I tried going to it I was >> > prompted that doing so may harm my computer. >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > We all have been getting that for a long time, and Steve n Sam deny >> > there's >> > a problem. You waste electrons telling us about it. >> > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich >> > >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63131	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: 326 Driver fix--soldered wire

Hi, Yes, that fifth soldered wire is factory. That's the "instant smoke" wiring set up. ACG added that later, so there was no pin in the plug to use, so they used the rivt that holds the receptical panel together. S' David D [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63132	From: Michael Rector	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

You have to watch those "oatmeal" land slides. Good luck on the tunnel repair. From the photos I've seen, you won't have any problem. Mike  --- On Tue, 1/18/11, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote: From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Building a large AF layout To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 9:00 PM   Robert: That small tunnel is made out of solid "oatmeal", so I guess I'll just have to get a spoon and scrape away for some lateral clearance. Yummy! lol Micheal: Blow it up!?!?! You've been watching too many train movies! Hah-hah-hah-hah-hah! Thanks guys! Timboy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63133	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: Email off list

Harwood..... Was out of town..... just got in .... tired.... rcon7@... .... What can I do for you..... Bob --- On Mon, 1/17/11, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote: From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Email off list To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 2:19 PM   Bob Connor, please email me off list. Thanks, Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63134	From: Carey Probst	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: SnS Web site

It is definitely Google causing the issue and not Firefox/Mozilla. If I use the Google search I get the warning and if I click on the link I get a full page warning. Changing to the Yahoo search engine eliminates both the warning in the results page and when clicking on the link. Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 1/18/2011 10:43 PM, Robert wrote: > > > I had been using Mozilla Firefox because I've been getting text error > messages on Internet Explorer. I closed Mozilla Firefox and opened IE > and typed it in and it went right to it. I then close IE and reopened > Mozilla Firefox and typed it in and I got that reddish brown rectangle > again with that warning. as near as I can figure Google started it and > Mozilla picked up on it. When I do a Google search from IE all is as > it should be. I went back to Mozilla Firefox and did another search > and it also was as it should be but when I clicked on one of the links > to go to the website to go to the website I got that same warning. > It's got to be some glitch between Mozilla and Google > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63135	From: Tom	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit

You can use a coupler spring on this style e unit 346 Tom David Fixing Gilbert flyer for over 20 years   For a great Florida Vacation click here  mydisneyvacationcondo.weebly.com -----Original Message----- From: HOwingsiii@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:38 pm Subject: [S-Trains] AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit When I put these pictures on can I submit them as attachments to the group or do I need to send them to the individuals who requested them. I will try attach some to email Harwood -----Original Message----- From: HOwingsiii <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 17, 2011 1:03 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit I have not forgotten your pictures on the e-unit. I am a little slow but will get them done. Will send them as attachments. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Jan 12, 2011 8:35 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit Harwood, Thanks. I would very much appreciate a shot of the left side with the slider on it that advances the rachet on the drum, a and "face"shot showing the main coil in the center, the lever moved by the solenoid across the bottom, and the return spring for that lever in the lower right hand corner. Then the side opposite the slider side, and the top where the fingers contact the drum. Would you consider selling a NOS unit? If so, what is your price for one? I think for one thing the return spring on this one's lever is shot. Only gravity seems to move the lever down away from the solenoid any more which doesn't always fully retract the slider on the left side with the "claw" at the top. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, HOwingsiii@... wrote: > > > I have about 1/2 dozen NOS, I can take some pictures of one. What kind of pictures do you want? > Harwood > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sgaugian dsme_horn@... > To: S-Trains S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:23 pm > Subject: [S-Trains] AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit > > > > > Have any of you tuned/repaired/rebuilt a 346 in-cab 4-position reverse unit? Do you have pictures of a "good" unit that you could share/post? I am working on one and could use some photos to be sure this one is configured and equipped the way it ought to be. What a great little device in theory, but delicate, imprecise, and unreliable in execution. No wonder it was not used more broadly. I'd still like to get this one working the best possible. Thanks. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63136	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: British S gauge cars for Thomas?

Actually I am making them out of diecast children's spring toys (push them backwards to wind the spring and let go to go forward) that I picked up at last spring's York. They are a little large for S gauge, but as I said, these are for the children, not rivet counters. I am using modified American Flyer Casey Jones chassis where the vertical motor fits nicely up in the cab space. Percy is finished and pulled a string of AF gondolas with varied children interest Christmas loads & Santa Claus during our our club's setup @ the Johns Hopkins Children's Hospital in December but the modeler in me wants more authentic Thomas cars. Kyle -----Original Message----- Are you making Thomas and Percy engines from scratch. I like to make one for my grand child Is yours made out of wood or is it plastic? thanks Don Keil ________________________________ From: Kyle Russell <kbrussel@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, January 16, 2011 1:58:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] British S gauge cars for Thomas? Does anyone have a source for the old style British 2 axle passenger and freight cars in S gauge? Either R2R, kits or plans. I am currently working on a Thomas the Tank project and could use realistic cars for Thomas and Percy to pull. As these are to have the faces installed and run on our club's modular layout for children's benefit "Rivet Counting" is decidedly not an issue. Kyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63137	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: SnS Web site

and he notes - Goggle isn't causing the problem, they are detecting a malware (which may still be in the site's registry though disabled) and Yahoo is not. I would trust Google over Yahoo. I have seen this warning on other sites, especially the "Best Internet Buy" sites that list where you can buy items ranked by price. Since most IPs use multiple server centers located in various cities around the U. S., (and foreign countries) the Malware may be in one of them and not SNS's server. When someone Googles SNS he (or she) could be accessing the site through any one of the centers and if the Malware is still active, the error message. Google does offer a program to developers to locate and eliminate such problems but it's time consuming and probably expensive. The site is probably safe as most firewalls will block Malware. I use Spybot. It has a good immunization feature and it is Free! Raleigh in Rainey Mainey... At 09:24 AM 1/19/2011, Carey Probst wrote: >It is definitely Google causing the issue and not Firefox/Mozilla. > >If I use the Google search I get the warning and if I click on the link >I get a full page warning. > >Changing to the Yahoo search engine eliminates both the warning in the >results page and when clicking on the link. > >Carey Probst > >Member, M.I.T. Educational Council > >S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF > >A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, > >the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. > > >On 1/18/2011 10:43 PM, Robert wrote: > > > > > > I had been using Mozilla Firefox because I've been getting text error > > messages on Internet Explorer. I closed Mozilla Firefox and opened IE > > and typed it in and it went right to it. I then close IE and reopened > > Mozilla Firefox and typed it in and I got that reddish brown rectangle > > again with that warning. as near as I can figure Google started it and > > Mozilla picked up on it. When I do a Google search from IE all is as > > it should be. I went back to Mozilla Firefox and did another search > > and it also was as it should be but when I clicked on one of the links > > to go to the website to go to the website I got that same warning. > > It's got to be some glitch between Mozilla and Google > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > >Enjoy thousands of great photos >at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63138	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: British S gauge cars for Thomas?

Hi Kyle: I think you mentioned it before, but do you have any photos of what you are doing? Sounds like a good idea; I have to find two Thomas S gauge trains for either this year's or next year's Christmas. It could be a nice project to work on in the next few months. Thanks for info and possibly photos - you can send them directly to my email address or I can check into the yahoo groups site. regards, Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 1/19/2011 6:10 PM, Kyle Russell wrote: > > Actually I am making them out of diecast children's spring toys (push > them backwards to wind the spring and let go to go forward) that I > picked up at last spring's York. They are a little large for S gauge, > but as I said, these are for the children, not rivet counters. I am > using modified American Flyer Casey Jones chassis where the vertical > motor fits nicely up in the cab space. > > Percy is finished and pulled a string of AF gondolas with varied > children interest Christmas loads & Santa Claus during our our club's > setup @ the Johns Hopkins Children's Hospital in December but the > modeler in me wants more authentic Thomas cars. > > Kyle > > -----Original Message----- > > Are you making Thomas and Percy engines from scratch. I like to make > one for my > grand child > Is yours made out of wood or is it plastic? > thanks > Don Keil > > ________________________________ > From: Kyle Russell <kbrussel@... <mailto:kbrussel%40erols.com>> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>; > S-Scale@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sun, January 16, 2011 1:58:50 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] British S gauge cars for Thomas? > > Does anyone have a source for the old style British 2 axle passenger and > freight cars in S gauge? Either R2R, kits or plans. > > I am currently working on a Thomas the Tank project and could use > realistic > cars for Thomas and Percy to pull. As these are to have the faces > installed > and run on our club's modular layout for children's benefit "Rivet > Counting" > is decidedly not an issue. > > Kyle > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63139	From: cvlk	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Letter to American Flyer

"Back in the day" I sent a letter to A.C. Gilbert suggesting several new products. I received a reply from Mr. Romler (???) thanking me for the ideas. Among the things I proposed were an S version of their HO PRR 0-6-0, an "Old-Timer" 4-4-0 similar to Lionel's "General", and F Units. Unfortunately along the way I lost the letters and a American Flyer Boys Model Railroad Club certificate (No.2) that I had asked for and received in the same correspondence. I tried to email Ted Hamler of the AF S Scale Collectors Column but his email bounced. Does anyone know if any files of this nature survived? Since my letter was a foreshaddowing of my second career in the Model Railroad Industry (first at Con-Cor, then at Kato and finally as a full-time Independent Consultant) I would love to have copies..... Charlie Vlk Railroad Model Resources [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63140	From: Jerry	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: 293 style pacfic

Ron, A while ago, Classic Toy Trains magazine had some prototype photos of Flyer locomotives. For the life of me, I can't remember where they are. Perhaps a perusal of their database will reveal some results. Good hunting! Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, ron plyler <ron_tallyho@...> wrote: > > Has anyone every seen a prototypical picture of the NH pacific that Gilbert might have used for a 293. The question I have is about the short headlight. I see the I-1 with a feed water heater but nothing on the light. Ron Plyler >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63141	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Turntable "S"tuff for Sale

Gents.. Clearing out the closet and the bottomless attic has yielded yet another bargain from the past. Here are all the things you will need to make your existing turntable operate. Also included are some details for cosmetic purposes. It is all one big batch including the following: 1. Scratchbuilt turntable wooden arch made by Hansel Main many moons ago. 2. Diamond Scale (DS) Turntable Motor Kit #MK-111 3. Bowser Bridge Detail Kit for a 22" Bowser turntable (soft metal castings). 4. Large 4" diameter gear with matching worm . Diamond Scale (DS) #WG-9. 5. DS 3/16" worm shaft. 6. DS #DT-5 Dolly Trucks. 7. DS assorted brackets and pillow blocks (I think that is the correct term.). 8. DS 3/16" Shaft Collars. Part #SC-1570. 9. DS universal joints (nice!) #US-1 and US-2 (one each). 10. Instruction sheets. 11. Operators shanty (located at end of bridge). These parts should enable the construction of a handcranked turntable mechanism or a motorized turntable system. The only thing missing is some sort of a handle/knob for the end of the shaft closest to your hand if you choose manual operation. The "human interface" part if you get my drift. No automatic stopping or positioning ability. The eyeball method works fine if the pit is close to the edge of the layout. Even if the pit is away from the edge, a mirror located on the ceiling looking straight down at the pit will allow good positioning of the bridge. Aligning the bridge track with the radial tracks is not hard and is similar to aligning fine lines when focusing a camera. You can do it! Best offer over $15 plus $9 postage. Heavy weight due to soft metal castings. OFFLIST communication only. Onlist responses will be disqualified. Read my lips !! First come first serve. Cheers..Ed L. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63142	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: 293 style pacfic

I have seen photos of the New Haven I-4 Pacific which feature the feedwater heater but have prominent air reservoirs atop the boiler but are otherwise similar the the Gilbert 293. The headlight would appear to be longer than the 293 with a larger front lens and numberboards under and on the side of the headlamp. I don't know if they were delivered with the boiler top air tanks.   Bob --- On Tue, 1/18/11, ron plyler <ron_tallyho@...> wrote: From: ron plyler <ron_tallyho@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 293 style pacfic To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 1:54 PM   Has anyone every seen a prototypical picture of the NH pacific that Gilbert might have used for a 293. The question I have is about the short headlight. I see the I-1 with a feed water heater but nothing on the light. Ron Plyler [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63143	From: Timboy	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Hey Guys! It's party time in Timboy Town at Laurel Tunnel#1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63144	From: Brady	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Poath Junction Archival Films

Vintage PR films from several fallen flags.. http://www.youtube.com/user/PoathArchives It's nice to see color footage of the kinds of trains and infrastructure that many folks model on their S gauge pikes Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63145	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit

Thanks for the tip. Will have to try that. in the meantime, got this one working dependably with a the lower half of tender pick-up spring (conical type) installed down under the solenoid. A coupler spring would look more like the original return spring, but so far this one has yet to skip a beat.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63146	From: David Engle	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: Letter to American Flyer

IRCC, the name is Maury Romer. DJE ----- Original Message ----- From: cvlk To: s-trains@... Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 3:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Letter to American Flyer "Back in the day" I sent a letter to A.C. Gilbert suggesting several new products. I received a reply from Mr. Romler (???) thanking me for the ideas. Among the things I proposed were an S version of their HO PRR 0-6-0, an "Old-Timer" 4-4-0 similar to Lionel's "General", and F Units. Unfortunately along the way I lost the letters and a American Flyer Boys Model Railroad Club certificate (No.2) that I had asked for and received in the same correspondence. I tried to email Ted Hamler of the AF S Scale Collectors Column but his email bounced. Does anyone know if any files of this nature survived? Since my letter was a foreshaddowing of my second career in the Model Railroad Industry (first at Con-Cor, then at Kato and finally as a full-time Independent Consultant) I would love to have copies..... Charlie Vlk Railroad Model Resources [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63147	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Improvements for the American Flyer Displays website

As many of you know, I maintain the americanflyerdisplays.org <http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org> web site. I have been trying to improve the section on the factory displays that were sold to dealers and through the generosity of one collector, I was recently able to add several layouts and the entire display catalogs from 1951, 1954, 1955, and 1957. Unfortunately, I have very little documentation of the pre 1953 display layouts. The catalog from 1951, while it covers displays is devoted to signs and other static displays, rather than actual display layouts. As best as I can determine, there was no display catalog in 1958. From the research I have done, I have been able to identify 3 display catalogs from the pre 1953 era. *D1496* *Display Suggestions - 1947 * *D1511* *Displays - 1948 * *D1629* *Dealer Action Displays Sheet - 1950 * If anyone has any of these catalogs and would be willing to share some scans for use on the web site, I would be very grateful. As with all contributors to the website, credit for the illustrations and catalogs is prominently displayed. Also, if anyone knows of other catalogs that are not listed on my website, I would be grateful for that information. See http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/catalogs/catalog_list.htm for a full list of the catalogs of which I am aware. I also want to thank those of you who have put links to this site on their own websites. I am particularly pleased with the link on the www.lionellines.com/displays.htm <http://www.lionellines.com/displays.htm> webpage and plan to reciprocate. It is good to communicate with the other side. Dale Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63148	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: Poath Junction Archival Films

This is quite an impressive collection of PR films and I appreciate it for that, but considering current threats of terrorism, I think it is a bit questionable to post a film with detailed instructions on how to rig explosives to blow up a train in a tunnel. Even using World War II vintage explosives and techniques could be pretty devastating. Dale On 1/19/2011 4:49 PM, Brady wrote: > > > Vintage PR films from several fallen flags.. > > http://www.youtube.com/user/PoathArchives > > It's nice to see color footage of the kinds of trains and > infrastructure that many folks model on their S gauge pikes > > Brady Burdge > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63149	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: Email off list

Wrong Bob it's the other guy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: rcon7@... Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 05:40:44 -0800 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Email off list Harwood..... Was out of town..... just got in .... tired.... rcon7@... .... What can I do for you..... Bob --- On Mon, 1/17/11, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote: From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Email off list To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 2:19 PM Bob Connor, please email me off list. Thanks, Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63150	From: Robert	Date: 1/19/2011
Subject: Re: Poath Junction Archival Films

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > This is quite an impressive collection of PR films and I appreciate it > for that, but considering current threats of terrorism, I think it is a > bit questionable to post a film with detailed instructions on how to rig > explosives to blow up a train in a tunnel. Even using World War II > vintage explosives and techniques could be pretty devastating. > > Dale > I agree. These guys we're up against are masters at improvising explosives. IED stands for improvised explosive device and as much as I hate to admit it they have been pretty successful

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63151	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2011
Subject: 346 4-Step E-unit Pictures

Five pictures of the #346 4-Step E-unit. Pictures are sent sent as attachments. Hope the pictures help. If you need more I have them. If anyone else in the group would like these pictures please let me know. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63152	From: Bruce	Date: 1/20/2011
Subject: Re: 293 style pacfic

Just as a side note, that feedwater heater was known as an "Elesco" feedwater heater. Regarding Ron's question, this link may be of assistance: http://www.ironhorse129.com/Friends/DavyCormack/new_haven_i-4.htm Bruce DeGailler, Sr. From: robert hendrickson Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 3:33 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 293 style pacfic I have seen photos of the New Haven I-4 Pacific which feature the feedwater heater but have prominent air reservoirs atop the boiler but are otherwise similar the the Gilbert 293. The headlight would appear to be longer than the 293 with a larger front lens and numberboards under and on the side of the headlamp. I don't know if they were delivered with the boiler top air tanks. Bob --- On Tue, 1/18/11, ron plyler <ron_tallyho@...> wrote: From: ron plyler <ron_tallyho@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 293 style pacfic To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 1:54 PM Has anyone every seen a prototypical picture of the NH pacific that Gilbert might have used for a 293. The question I have is about the short headlight. I see the I-1 with a feed water heater but nothing on the light. Ron Plyler [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63153	From: cvlk	Date: 1/20/2011
Subject: Re: Letter to American Flyer

David, Yes, thank you..... I was just having a senior moment! Charlie Vlk ----- Original Message ----- From: David Engle To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Letter to American Flyer IRCC, the name is Maury Romer. DJE ----- Original Message ----- From: cvlk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63154	From: Tom	Date: 1/20/2011
Subject: Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit

Flyer used coupler springs, glad it is working Tom David   For a great Florida Vacation click here  mydisneyvacationcondo.weebly.com -----Original Message----- From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, Jan 19, 2011 8:09 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit Thanks for the tip. Will have to try that. in the meantime, got this one working dependably with a the lower half of tender pick-up spring (conical type) installed down under the solenoid. A coupler spring would look more like the original return spring, but so far this one has yet to skip a beat.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63155	From: Dave Bellian	Date: 1/20/2011
Subject: Vehicles for sale

Have a group of Johhny Lightning 1/64 scale die cast Military vehicles at $2.50 each. Contact me of list yardmastermodels@... for a list of these items. All are MOC if you are a J.L. collector. Thanks, Dave -----Original Message----- From: Edward Loizeaux <Loizeaux@...> To: List, S scale <S-scale@yahoogroups.com>; S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Jan 19, 2011 6:58 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Turntable "S"tuff for Sale Gents.. Clearing out the closet and the bottomless attic has yielded yet another bargain from the past. Here are all the things you will need to make your existing turntable operate. Also included are some details for cosmetic purposes. It is all one big batch including the following: 1. Scratchbuilt turntable wooden arch made by Hansel Main many moons ago. 2. Diamond Scale (DS) Turntable Motor Kit #MK-111 3. Bowser Bridge Detail Kit for a 22" Bowser turntable (soft metal castings). 4. Large 4" diameter gear with matching worm . Diamond Scale (DS) #WG-9. 5. DS 3/16" worm shaft. 6. DS #DT-5 Dolly Trucks. 7. DS assorted brackets and pillow blocks (I think that is the correct term.). 8. DS 3/16" Shaft Collars. Part #SC-1570. 9. DS universal joints (nice!) #US-1 and US-2 (one each). 10. Instruction sheets. 11. Operators shanty (located at end of bridge). These parts should enable the construction of a handcranked turntable mechanism or a motorized turntable system. The only thing missing is some sort of a handle/knob for the end of the shaft closest to your hand if you choose manual operation. The "human interface" part if you get my drift. No automatic stopping or positioning ability. The eyeball method works fine if the pit is close to the edge of the layout. Even if the pit is away from the edge, a mirror located on the ceiling looking straight down at the pit will allow good positioning of the bridge. Aligning the bridge track with the radial tracks is not hard and is similar to aligning fine lines when focusing a camera. You can do it! Best offer over $15 plus $9 postage. Heavy weight due to soft metal castings. OFFLIST communication only. Onlist responses will be disqualified. Read my lips !! First come first serve. Cheers..Ed L. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63156	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 1/20/2011
Subject: "S"acto......Sn3 West Side Lumber Tuolumne Module

Gentlemen......(and ladies -- both of 'em -- too).....Here is another visiting/viewing opportunity that just came to my attention. I am not sure if this is a drive-yourself opportunity or an organized tour. But the details will emerge slowly as we get closer in time. Have fun....Ed Loizeaux To: Edward Loizeaux Subject: Sn3 West Side Lumber Tuolumne Module Hi Ed! I just wanted you to know my Sn3 West Side Lumber Tuolumne module will be open during the X2011 Convention. I'm in Roseville and I'll be open all day on Thurs July 7th. It will also be on display during the National Show the following weekend. It's supposed to be featured in the Feb or March NMRA magazine. Check it out... Take care, Aaron Splawn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63157	From: Robert	Date: 1/20/2011
Subject: Re: 293 style pacfic

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce" <goatfarm@...> wrote: > > > Just as a side note, that feedwater heater was known as an "Elesco" feedwater heater. > > Regarding Ron's question, this link may be of assistance: > > http://www.ironhorse129.com/Friends/DavyCormack/new_haven_i-4.htm > > Bruce DeGailler, Sr. > Not meaning to be a smart alec or anything but it was a feedwater heater that was made by the Elesco Company as opposed to a Coffin Feedwater heater which was a competing company

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63158	From: Robert	Date: 1/20/2011
Subject: BK turnouts

Does anyone know if BK is still in business? They used to make some awesome turnouts in many scales including S they had at one time a number 16 turnout. Took a lot of space but sure looked good.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63159	From: Mark Kiner	Date: 1/21/2011
Subject: Re: BK turnouts

Have you checked out Tom's turnouts? He doesn't have a 16, but there is a nice looking 8. From: Robert Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:33 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] BK turnouts Does anyone know if BK is still in business? They used to make some awesome turnouts in many scales including S they had at one time a number 16 turnout. Took a lot of space but sure looked good. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63160	From: ken garber	Date: 1/21/2011
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5159

> ________________________________________________________________________ > 7a. BK turnouts > Posted by: "Robert" danceswithwolves49@... danceswithwolves49 > Date: Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:46 pm ((PST)) > > Does anyone know if BK is still in business? They used to make some awesome > turnouts in many scales including S they had at one time a number 16 > turnout. Took a lot of space but sure looked good. > > > > This is their site: http://www.troutcreekeng.com/bkn.html S: http://www.troutcreekeng.com/bks.html Tomalco makes their turnouts out of BK components. http://www.tomalcotrack.com/ Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63161	From: grant bishop	Date: 1/21/2011
Subject: Re: "S"acto......Sn3 West Side Lumber Tuolumne Module

Aaron Very Cool! hope to make it and since I have 2 good friends in Roseville (and like the train store in your 'old town') probably will make it! Grant Grant Bishop ^--^ ( WOOF! ) (o o)------- ^ / o \ --------)) U ||)))))))|| /_\ /_\ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63162	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 1/21/2011
Subject: Re: 293 style pacfic

You might want to pay a visit with the folks at the New Hhaven Yahoo group. Sometime ago, they had drawings of various locomotives available. They sent me a great one for the I4. I can't get to it at present. Any way the members of that group were quite friendly and understood my interest in the locomotive. Gene Cimino Hanover, PA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63163	From: richs009	Date: 1/21/2011
Subject: Re: 293 style pacfic

It is of equal interest to me to see in the corner of some of the pictures the New Haven passenger cars - seems clear where Gilbert got their prototype for the 650 series of cars... I grew up in a different part of the country (Nebraska) so I didn't see many of the 'East Coast' prototypes Gilbert apparently used (did get to see the Big Boys and Big Blows, up close and personal, as a kid...) - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce" <goatfarm@...> wrote: > > > Just as a side note, that feedwater heater was known as an "Elesco" feedwater heater. > > Regarding Ron's question, this link may be of assistance: > > http://www.ironhorse129.com/Friends/DavyCormack/new_haven_i-4.htm > > Bruce DeGailler, Sr. > > > > From: robert hendrickson > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 3:33 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 293 style pacfic > > > > I have seen photos of the New Haven I-4 Pacific which feature the feedwater heater but have prominent air reservoirs atop the boiler but are otherwise similar the the Gilbert 293. The headlight would appear to be longer than the 293 with a larger front lens and numberboards under and on the side of the headlamp. I don't know if they were delivered with the boiler top air tanks. > > Bob > > --- On Tue, 1/18/11, ron plyler <ron_tallyho@...> wrote: > > From: ron plyler <ron_tallyho@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] 293 style pacfic > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 1:54 PM > > > > Has anyone every seen a prototypical picture of the NH pacific that Gilbert might have used for a 293. The question I have is about the short headlight. I see the I-1 with a feed water heater but nothing on the light. Ron Plyler > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63164	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 1/21/2011
Subject: Re: 293 style pacfic

AC could look out the window of the factory and see them or pass them on his way home. KCS also had them out West. They were built in Worcester, Mass. Most of Gilberts AF line were from the Connecticut area, like Branford Diner and Gilford Station (even if just in name only). I wonder if the cow head on the milk car is from a dairy cow on his farm ? Frank Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "richs009" <richs009@...> Sender: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 17:01:08 To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 293 style pacfic It is of equal interest to me to see in the corner of some of the pictures the New Haven passenger cars - seems clear where Gilbert got their prototype for the 650 series of cars... I grew up in a different part of the country (Nebraska) so I didn't see many of the 'East Coast' prototypes Gilbert apparently used (did get to see the Big Boys and Big Blows, up close and personal, as a kid...) - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce" <goatfarm@...> wrote: > > > Just as a side note, that feedwater heater was known as an "Elesco" feedwater heater. > > Regarding Ron's question, this link may be of assistance: > > http://www.ironhorse129.com/Friends/DavyCormack/new_haven_i-4.htm > > Bruce DeGailler, Sr. > > > > From: robert hendrickson > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 3:33 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 293 style pacfic > > > > I have seen photos of the New Haven I-4 Pacific which feature the feedwater heater but have prominent air reservoirs atop the boiler but are otherwise similar the the Gilbert 293. The headlight would appear to be longer than the 293 with a larger front lens and numberboards under and on the side of the headlamp. I don't know if they were delivered with the boiler top air tanks. > > Bob > > --- On Tue, 1/18/11, ron plyler <ron_tallyho@...> wrote: > > From: ron plyler <ron_tallyho@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] 293 style pacfic > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 1:54 PM > > > > Has anyone every seen a prototypical picture of the NH pacific that Gilbert might have used for a 293. The question I have is about the short headlight. I see the I-1 with a feed water heater but nothing on the light. Ron Plyler > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63165	From: Robert	Date: 1/21/2011
Subject: Re: BK turnouts

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Kiner" <robbe_wan@...> wrote: > > Have you checked out Tom's turnouts? He doesn't have a 16, but there is a nice looking 8. Thanks to all of you.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63166	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 1/21/2011
Subject: Re: 293 style pacfic

The American Flyer type cars, made by the Osgood Bradley division of Pullman, were also used by the Lehigh Valley, Boston & Maine and Bangor & Aroostook. Sent from my iPod On Jan 21, 2011, at 12:56 PM, femiro2002@... wrote: > AC could look out the window of the factory and see them or pass them on his way home. KCS also had them out West. They were built in Worcester, Mass. Most of Gilberts AF line were from the Connecticut area, like Branford Diner and Gilford Station (even if just in name only). I wonder if the cow head on the milk car is from a dairy cow on his farm ? > Frank > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: "richs009" <richs009@...> > Sender: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 17:01:08 > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 293 style pacfic > > It is of equal interest to me to see in the corner of some of the pictures the New Haven passenger cars - seems clear where Gilbert got their prototype for the 650 series of cars... I grew up in a different part of the country (Nebraska) so I didn't see many of the 'East Coast' prototypes Gilbert apparently used (did get to see the Big Boys and Big Blows, up close and personal, as a kid...) > > - Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce" <goatfarm@...> wrote: > > > > > > Just as a side note, that feedwater heater was known as an "Elesco" feedwater heater. > > > > Regarding Ron's question, this link may be of assistance: > > > > http://www.ironhorse129.com/Friends/DavyCormack/new_haven_i-4.htm > > > > Bruce DeGailler, Sr. > > > > > > > > From: robert hendrickson > > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 3:33 PM > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 293 style pacfic > > > > > > > > I have seen photos of the New Haven I-4 Pacific which feature the feedwater heater but have prominent air reservoirs atop the boiler but are otherwise similar the the Gilbert 293. The headlight would appear to be longer than the 293 with a larger front lens and numberboards under and on the side of the headlamp. I don't know if they were delivered with the boiler top air tanks. > > > > Bob > > > > --- On Tue, 1/18/11, ron plyler <ron_tallyho@...> wrote: > > > > From: ron plyler <ron_tallyho@...> > > Subject: [S-Trains] 293 style pacfic > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 1:54 PM > > > > > > > > Has anyone every seen a prototypical picture of the NH pacific that Gilbert might have used for a 293. The question I have is about the short headlight. I see the I-1 with a feed water heater but nothing on the light. Ron Plyler > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63167	From: Ben	Date: 1/21/2011
Subject: How to repair a "7210" floodlight car

I got a drop center flat car with generator and flood light. The wire from the light was severed from the truck's insulated brass pickup plate. The wire was still sticking out from the light housing, so I figured I would solder a new wire to the insulated brass plate, splice the new wire lead and the existing light housing wire together...shrink tube the works, and call it good. Apparently the wire loom coming out of the housing was just the old black cloth insulation. I could not find any wire inside to solder to the new lead. Then the insulation came out altogether. How can I get a new wire onto the back of the light fixture inside the housing? All that is there is a small hole for the wire to come out of. I can see the tabs that hold the socket into the housing...but they are crimped good and tight. Has anyone ever fixed this scenario successfully? Should I drill or grind a bigger hole/slot into the back of the actual housing to get access to the back of the socket? Any advice appreciated. Thanks- Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63168	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 1/22/2011
Subject: Re: How to repair a "7210" floodlight car

Ben, Got this from a reply when I had the same question several years ago 1.) Remove the snap ring and glass. 2.) Remove the bulb. 3.) Push the wire and/or old socket out from the back via the hole where the wire goes into the housing using a Jumbo paper clip. 4.) Solder new lead onto the socket base. 5.) Thread new wire through hole and install bulb. 6.) Solder lead to the hot truck. 7.) Replace glass and snap ring. Jim H From: Ben Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 8:31 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] How to repair a "7210" floodlight car I got a drop center flat car with generator and flood light. The wire from the light was severed from the truck's insulated brass pickup plate. The wire was still sticking out from the light housing, so I figured I would solder a new wire to the insulated brass plate, splice the new wire lead and the existing light housing wire together...shrink tube the works, and call it good. Apparently the wire loom coming out of the housing was just the old black cloth insulation. I could not find any wire inside to solder to the new lead. Then the insulation came out altogether. How can I get a new wire onto the back of the light fixture inside the housing? All that is there is a small hole for the wire to come out of. I can see the tabs that hold the socket into the housing...but they are crimped good and tight. Has anyone ever fixed this scenario successfully? Should I drill or grind a bigger hole/slot into the back of the actual housing to get access to the back of the socket? Any advice appreciated. Thanks- Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63169	From: Doug Peck	Date: 1/22/2011
Subject: Re: How to repair a "7210" floodlight car

Use an ice-pick or something similar.....stick it through that small hole in the back, and up against the edge of the metal socket fixture. A coup[le taps on it will knock the light fixture out. Repair the wiring, and remount the light fixture with 2-3 drops of superglue. <<<How can I get a new wire onto the back of the light fixture inside the housing? All that is there is a small hole for the wire to come out of. I can see the tabs that hold the socket into the housing...but they are crimped good and tight.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/> www.sgaugetrains.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63170	From: Ben	Date: 1/22/2011
Subject: Re: How to repair a "7210" floodlight car

Well- I got it out, but the light socket is unusable now. I will have to get a replacement and repair from there. Thanks! Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > Use an ice-pick or something similar.....stick it through that small > hole in the back, and up against the edge of the metal socket fixture. A > coup[le taps on it will knock the light fixture out. > > Repair the wiring, and remount the light fixture with 2-3 drops of > superglue. > > > > > > <<<How can I get a new wire onto the back of the light fixture inside > the housing? All that is there is a small hole for the wire to come out > of. I can see the tabs that hold the socket into the housing...but they > are crimped good and tight.>>> > > > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > doug@... > www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com/> > www.flyerparts.com <http://www.www.flyerparts.com/> > www.sgaugetrains.com > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63171	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2011
Subject: 21099 Drw Bar

Tom or Doug, what is the part number for the draw bar for the 21099 engine? Thank, Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63172	From: Timboy	Date: 1/22/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Well Gals, I am making my final push to get my RR built and running. I have started a new post on my blog to that end: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63173	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/22/2011
Subject: Re: 346 4-Step E-unit Pictures

Harwood, I could not find the attachments. Where/how would I find them? Thanks. Would you be interested in selling one of the NOS units? Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63174	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/22/2011
Subject: Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit

Did you reuse the original 4-posi unit pin or are replacements available? A KC pin looks to short. Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63175	From: Tom	Date: 1/22/2011
Subject: Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit

NOT KC PIN THE coupler Spring Tom David   For a great Florida Vacation click here  mydisneyvacationcondo.weebly.com -----Original Message----- From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Jan 22, 2011 12:51 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit Did you reuse the original 4-posi unit pin or are replacements available? A KC pin looks to short. Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63176	From: Al	Date: 1/22/2011
Subject: Thomas the Tank Engine - Running since 2006

There has been a lot of talk about Thomas the Tank Engine lately.  I have been running my own version of Thomas since April 2006. I made it from a $9.86 push toy Thomas I found at Target. I gutted out the insides and installed an original American Flyer 21158 dockside engine inside minus the blue shell and most of the gears. It runs fabulously around the track and the kids just love it. All the younger kids are saying "Its Thomas" and take off after it, chasing it around the club layout of The Golden Spike American Flyer Train Club based in northern Utah. When adults who have American Flyer trains at home see Thomas, they are surprised and want to know how they can buy one. Well, there is only one, its mine!    Doug Peck commented on this engine a while back after seeing it running on the layout of the Rocky Mountain High Railers in Idaho Falls a few years ago.  I took it up there to run on their new layout and it was videoed and the video is on our club website: www.gsaftc.com.   I am still in the process of trying to improve this little engine - the wheel spokes were painted blue and smoke was recently added and soon a new light will help Thomas see better at night.   Al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63177	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/22/2011
Subject: Baseball Field

Today, I added people to the grand stands, as they are a perfect fit. I took some of the people and painted them with blue shirts and white pants, as the blue team is at bat. I have two managers for each team in suits, like how Connie Mack and Bucky Harris used to manage ball clubs. I will be getting more people for the stands, plus I need some around the pool, as the D&K RR was the first baseball club to have a pool at a ballpark. Sadly, I wont be able to get under the table for about 3 to 4 months as I am having TWO knee surgeries in 3 weeks. One knee is being worked on next week with TWO torn meniscus and the other knee is being replace in February sooooo, that takes care of that for a while. I think half of the town of D&K RR also know as Dingburg to a few, is at the game. Some other pictures are the new trucks from M2 as I have two cabs at the truck depot, as one is taking a trailer away. A snow plow is at the farm, no snow, a farm truck, Tom Davis Farms, is at the produce stand picking up a crate of Linda’s Fine Apples from the orchard for re-sale. And two pickups came, as one is shown in the green. Also, a picture of the Arby’s items being advertised the ballpark, as we have a cup, bag, and fries on the pole, marketing at its finest. The other side of the Citgo sign and the milk bottle eraser that is painted. The Lunardi truck has a custom decal made by LBR Enterprises, as it was the first food wholesaler I worked for from 1980 to 1988 until they sold out like many businesses are doing. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/824919273/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=681&count=20&dir=asc Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63178	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2011
Subject: Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit

I have a complete 0-8-0 motor assembly with the 4 position reverse unit if anybody is interested in it. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 1/22/2011 4:26:54 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, tomminil@... writes: NOT KC PIN THE coupler Spring Tom David For a great Florida Vacation click here mydisneyvacationcondo.weebly.com -----Original Message----- From: sgaugian <_dsme_horn@..._ (mailto:dsme_horn@...) > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Sat, Jan 22, 2011 12:51 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit Did you reuse the original 4-posi unit pin or are replacements available? A KC pin looks to short. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63179	From: jaay_st	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: Slow running train

Good morning from the frozen Northeast We set up out train for Christmas. It runs around the tree; so the length of track is only about 15'. We have a 293 engine and run 7 Christmas cars. We are using an old 4B transformer. We have to run the transformer wide open and never have derailing. I feel this is running too slow, if we can run with the transformer wide open. Since the set-up is level, I am discounting wheel slippage. Is the 4B too old to effectively run the train? Is it possible the engine needs a rebuild? I am not presently contemplating a switch to DC. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks Jay

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63180	From: Timboy	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: Re: Baseball Field

Micheal: That is one nice vista you created! You have a beautiful display layout. Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63181	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: Re: 346 4-Step E-unit Pictures

Send me your email address and I will send them. I dont think our moderator allows attachment for some reason. My other Yahoo group does it all the time with no problems. . Harwood -----Original Message----- From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sat, Jan 22, 2011 4:11 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 346 4-Step E-unit Pictures Harwood, I could not find the attachments. Where/how would I find them? Thanks. Would you be interested in selling one of the NOS units? Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63182	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: Re: Baseball Field

Tim, Thank you, as you have done nicely with your layout too. Mike From: Timboy Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 11:47 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Baseball Field Micheal: That is one nice vista you created! You have a beautiful display layout. Regards, Timboy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63183	From: Al	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: Kudos to Steve Blackburn

I just want to give kudos to and say thanks to Steve Blackburn of SnS Trains. Recently he repaired the American Flyer train -free- for the family of a 6 year old boy that just got his first train for Christmas. The boy's father has been out of work for quite some time. The loco driving wheels developed a problem and Steve fixed it. I really appreciated it as I sent the train from my home in Portland, OR to the family in Boise, ID. So I had a 400 mile problem if I were to fix it. Hopefully we have a new S Gauge enthusiast! Thanks Steve, I hope your generosity is returned many times! Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63184	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: Re: Kudos to Steve Blackburn

It was a pleasure, Al. That kid is a train fanatic. He spews so much train knowledge it's unbelievable. He loves that train set. Kudos to you for sending it to that needy family. The video of that boy running the train is very neat too. Thanks for the opportunity to do the favor for them. Steve In a message dated 1/23/2011 1:30:44 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, albaker33@... writes: I just want to give kudos to and say thanks to Steve Blackburn of SnS Trains. Recently he repaired the American Flyer train -free- for the family of a 6 year old boy that just got his first train for Christmas. The boy's father has been out of work for quite some time. The loco driving wheels developed a problem and Steve fixed it. I really appreciated it as I sent the train from my home in Portland, OR to the family in Boise, ID. So I had a 400 mile problem if I were to fix it. Hopefully we have a new S Gauge enthusiast! Thanks Steve, I hope your generosity is returned many times! Al Baker Portland, OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63185	From: Robert	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: Re: Slow running train

Jay, It is possible that your locomotive needs rebuilding and maybe the transformer too but before you go to extremes try cleaning the motor and even the transformer with a good electrical cleaner. Watch that you stay away from any plastic with the stuff as sometimes it will disolve plastic. Next try a bit of an oil called Break-Free on all bearings. Put some in a small container then dip a pin or needle into the Break-Free and apply to both motor and axle bearings and siderod pivot points and valve gear. Also make sure to keep it away from the brushes in the motor or you'll be using the electrical cleaner again. Break- Free is amazing stuff and you only need a drop or two. When I was in the Army ( I served in the Army and Navy) I had an M-2 .50 cal machine gun lock up from carbon build up due to so much firing.I sprayed a bit of Break-Free on it, operated the bolt a few times and back in business. Later I tried Break-Free on a stubborn HO Big Boy and it worked almost like new. Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63186	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/23/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday January 23, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63187	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: Re: Slow running train

WHOSE Christmas cars??? IF FLyonel, expect tremendous drag relative to SHS cars or AM cars. When I was responsible for the S layout at NTTM, I always put a Flyonel caboose on the ends of the SHS freight trains, so the cars did outrun the engines. The caboose produced more than enough drag to accomplish that. Jim "chuckling on the Keystone Main" Lyle In a message dated 1/23/2011 10:48:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jaay_st@... writes: run 7 Christmas cars [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63188	From: wmfadamsny1	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: Stickey Link Couplers

OK - I'm confused. I have some AF's with link couplers that stick "up". I've checked past postings (back to 2002) and some say either USE or DON'T USE silicone, dish detergent, WD40, alcohol and/or sewing machine oil. I've tried the detergent and silicone with no luck. The worst cases are on a 633, a 716, a 715, a 651 and a 625G. I would appreciate someone taking me screaming and kicking into the 21st century. What's the in thing to use today? Also - for sale - (1) grandson - age 8. The last time he was over he said "Hey Grampa - can we play crash the trains again?" That's the second time he's come out with it - - - he's outta here! Bill in Rochester

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63189	From: rick gough	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: Re: Stickey Link Couplers

21ST Century? .... KNUCKLE COUPLER conversions! rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63190	From: Brian Snook	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: Re: Stickey Link Couplers

I have had this problem few times and I was able to solve it by running hot water over the link coupler and brushing it with a toothbrush or by heating it up with a hair dryer and wiping it clean with a cloth. The problem I find is with the mold release agent that AF used and heating it up makes it turn to liquid and come off. Brian ________________________________ From: wmfadamsny1 <WMFADAMSNY@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, January 23, 2011 5:31:56 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Stickey Link Couplers OK - I'm confused. I have some AF's with link couplers that stick "up". I've checked past postings (back to 2002) and some say either USE or DON'T USE silicone, dish detergent, WD40, alcohol and/or sewing machine oil. I've tried the detergent and silicone with no luck. The worst cases are on a 633, a 716, a 715, a 651 and a 625G. I would appreciate someone taking me screaming and kicking into the 21st century. What's the in thing to use today? Also - for sale - (1) grandson - age 8. The last time he was over he said "Hey Grampa - can we play crash the trains again?" That's the second time he's come out with it - - - he's outta here! Bill in Rochester [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63191	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: Re: Kudos to Steve Blackburn

That is great to hear. Good going Steve, we need more like you in this world. Mike From: boss31@... Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 3:42 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Kudos to Steve Blackburn It was a pleasure, Al. That kid is a train fanatic. He spews so much train knowledge it's unbelievable. He loves that train set. Kudos to you for sending it to that needy family. The video of that boy running the train is very neat too. Thanks for the opportunity to do the favor for them. Steve In a message dated 1/23/2011 1:30:44 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, mailto:albaker33%40comcast.net writes: I just want to give kudos to and say thanks to Steve Blackburn of SnS Trains. Recently he repaired the American Flyer train -free- for the family of a 6 year old boy that just got his first train for Christmas. The boy's father has been out of work for quite some time. The loco driving wheels developed a problem and Steve fixed it. I really appreciated it as I sent the train from my home in Portland, OR to the family in Boise, ID. So I had a 400 mile problem if I were to fix it. Hopefully we have a new S Gauge enthusiast! Thanks Steve, I hope your generosity is returned many times! Al Baker Portland, OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63192	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: Re: Stickey Link Couplers

/ I've had some success with Labelle lightweight oil Brady Burdge /

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63193	From: alsflyer	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: American Flyer for sale

I have posted on the "AvailableSgauge" group 5 AF items for sale. If you are not a member of this group, you should join it. I am not sure posting items for sale on this goup is not what was originally intended as part of this group. I have posted many items for sale here before but will post onto the "AvailableSgauge" group almost exclusively. If the items do not sell, they will go to eBay. I have way too many train items, so I am selling about 1/3 of my collection. Keep an eye on this group for future items for sale. Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63194	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/23/2011
Subject: Tender pick-ups

I received some excellent advice on a 302AC with electrical pick-up issues.. http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/9472962207 Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63195	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/24/2011
Subject: Thomas the Tank Engine--Running Since 2004

The Tidewater Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers has had a running Thomas the Tank Engine since 2004. It is a Thomas shell mounted on a Docksider chassis. This loco just recenlt had to be replaced after running almost continuously at about 10-12 shows per year since 2004. For a picture, go to www.trainweb.org/acsg and select Recent Shows. Then click on any of the shows. The best picture of Thomas with Clarabel and Annie is about 3/4 of the way down followed by a 19 second movie in the next frame. The Carolinas Division also has its own Thomas that runs separately with Nick Cianciosi's Thomas Cab. Joe Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer ###################Authorized Lionel Service Center#################### ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@....###########.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63196	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 1/24/2011
Subject: Re: Stickey Link Couplers

General consensus was hair dryer. Alistair On Mon 24/01/11 11:10 AM , Brady Burdge brady@... sent: / I've had some success with Labelle lightweight oil Brady Burdge / ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Stickey%20Link%20Couplers [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvcmFpNGdyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzE5MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTU4MzM5NTI-?act=reply&messageNum=63192 [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/63188;_ylc=X3oDMTM0bTd1MjQ3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzE5MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTU4MzM5NTIEdHBjSWQDNjMxODg- [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63197	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 1/24/2011
Subject: Re: Stickey Link Couplers

Ok if you want to sell it afterwards for less than you paid for it. Trouble is some operators amongst us dont think that perhaps some of these items are prized as collectors items and butchery devalues them. Alistair On Mon 24/01/11 10:18 AM , rick gough racin510@... sent: 21ST Century? .... KNUCKLE COUPLER conversions! rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20Stickey%20Link%20Couplers [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvcDljaGptBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzE4OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTU4MzA4NDg-?act=reply&messageNum=63189 [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/63188;_ylc=X3oDMTM0aW9tczhmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzE4OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTU4MzA4NDgEdHBjSWQDNjMxODg- [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63198	From: Robert	Date: 1/24/2011
Subject: Re: Slow running train

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jaay_st" <jaay_st@...> wrote: > > Good morning from the frozen Northeast > We set up out train for Christmas. It runs around the tree; so the length of track is only about 15'. > We have a 293 engine and run 7 Christmas cars. > We are using an old 4B transformer. > We have to run the transformer wide open and never have derailing. > I feel this is running too slow, if we can run with the transformer wide open. > Since the set-up is level, I am discounting wheel slippage. > Is the 4B too old to effectively run the train? > Is it possible the engine needs a rebuild? > I am not presently contemplating a switch to DC. > Any thoughts would be appreciated. > Thanks > Jay >With my other post I was chastized by the other Jay who read me the riot act stating all sorts of things I did wrong. For instance he stated I could have gotten you electrocuted so here's what to do. unplug the transformer before you spray the electrical cleaner in it. The cleaner of course evaporates almost instantly.With an electrical tester i.e. VOM set for ohms so as to use it as a continuity tester check both sets of terminals to ensure there are no short circuits between any of them. Next with the unit plugged in and you are sure it has not thrown any circuit breakers in your breaker panel set the VOM for AC power in the lowest setting it has hopefully no more than 20 or 25 volts. check both sets of terminals. one is fixed voltage the other is variable. the fixed is used to power the accessories. Reading the specification label will tell you how many volts max it puts out on either set of terminals. If you get a reading that is anything other than that specified on the label have a professional repair it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63199	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 1/24/2011
Subject: Re: Stickey Link Couplers

Best results are by heating the coupler with a hair dryer or by touching the metal insert with a soldering gun . Wipe the couple down each time you use it. It is normally a build up of the release agent that is left over from the production of the coupler. I have tried all that you mention and many more. This workes the best and is the longest lasting. I like orginal links but they can be a pain at times. Cliff Manning ---- wmfadamsny1 <WMFADAMSNY@...> wrote: > OK - I'm confused. I have some AF's with link couplers that stick "up". I've checked past postings (back to 2002) and some say either USE or DON'T USE silicone, dish detergent, WD40, alcohol and/or sewing machine oil. I've tried the detergent and silicone with no luck. > The worst cases are on a 633, a 716, a 715, a 651 and a 625G. I would appreciate someone taking me screaming and kicking into the 21st century. What's the in thing to use today? > > Also - for sale - (1) grandson - age 8. The last time he was over he said "Hey Grampa - can we play crash the trains again?" That's the second time he's come out with it - - - he's outta here! > > Bill in Rochester >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63200	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/24/2011
Subject: Re: Thomas the Tank Engine--Running Since 2004

I had thought about using a docksider with a LTI shell on it. Look forward to seeing how you did it. Frank R. EMIRO --- On Sun, 1/23/11, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> wrote: From: Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Thomas the Tank Engine--Running Since 2004 To: "S Trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, January 23, 2011, 10:13 PM   The Tidewater Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers has had a running Thomas the Tank Engine since 2004. It is a Thomas shell mounted on a Docksider chassis. This loco just recenlt had to be replaced after running almost continuously at about 10-12 shows per year since 2004. For a picture, go to www.trainweb.org/acsg and select Recent Shows. Then click on any of the shows. The best picture of Thomas with Clarabel and Annie is about 3/4 of the way down followed by a 19 second movie in the next frame. The Carolinas Division also has its own Thomas that runs separately with Nick Cianciosi's Thomas Cab. Joe Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer ###################Authorized Lionel Service Center#################### ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@....###########.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63201	From: frank emiro	Date: 1/24/2011
Subject: Re: Thomas the Tank Engine--Running Since 2004

What group has the recent shows? I went hunting and do not see a link that brings the photos to view. Frank R. EMIRO --- On Sun, 1/23/11, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> wrote: From: Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Thomas the Tank Engine--Running Since 2004 To: "S Trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, January 23, 2011, 10:13 PM   The Tidewater Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers has had a running Thomas the Tank Engine since 2004. It is a Thomas shell mounted on a Docksider chassis. This loco just recenlt had to be replaced after running almost continuously at about 10-12 shows per year since 2004. For a picture, go to www.trainweb.org/acsg and select Recent Shows. Then click on any of the shows. The best picture of Thomas with Clarabel and Annie is about 3/4 of the way down followed by a 19 second movie in the next frame. The Carolinas Division also has its own Thomas that runs separately with Nick Cianciosi's Thomas Cab. Joe Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer ###################Authorized Lionel Service Center#################### ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@....###########.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63202	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/24/2011
Subject: Re: Stickey Link Couplers

<< General consensus was hair dryer. Alistair >> I'll try that with a couple of stubborn hoppers and see how it goes.. Thanks Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63203	From: Glenn	Date: 1/25/2011
Subject: PVMR TRAINS TO PARADISE

Some of the pictures of the Pequea Valley Model Railroad display at the Paradise Township Building on January 15, 16, 22, 23, 2011. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/PVMRPARADISE.html Glenn Ritter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63204	From: Robert	Date: 1/25/2011
Subject: Tie Stain

This is Tuesday Jan 25 2011. This morning I received in reply to an email I had sent to BK products concerning the Tru-Scale tie stain. Mr Clifford A. Mestel of Tru-Scale now owned by BK Products which I believe is a division of Trout Creek Engineering informed me that they do indeed still produce the tie stain. It is $11.00 per pint plus shipping. I used this stain many times in the past with excellent results i stained ties and stripwood that I was building a wooden trestle with with excellent results. I would suggest staining the ties or stripwood first as the stain will not cover dried glue. Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63205	From: race944t	Date: 1/25/2011
Subject: Do your Jeeps say "Jeep" 2nd request.

Having not gotten a response from my post of Jan 13, I thought I would try again to solve my little mystery. Jan 13, 2011 post: OK so Gilbert made two Jeep transport cars 24572 US Navy & 24557 US Navy, right. Other than color red vs. green is there a difference in the Jeeps. Case in point: 1) I have one pair of Jeeps with the following markings on the underside: TOOTSIETOY (R) MADE IN U.S.A lettered in two lines, paralled to the sides of the vehicle, under the hood and: JEEP lettered perpendicular to the sides of the vehicle under the seats. On this pair the axles are held in place by bending some tabs over the axle. The trailer hitch on the back is 13/64" thick. 2) I have another pair that have the following markings on the underside: TOOTSIETOY MADE IN U. S. A. with the lettering in 3 lines and perpendicular to the sides of the vehicle under the hood. There is no "JEEP" lettering. The axles go through holes in the casting and each axle has an axle sleeve between the sides of the vehicle. The trailer hitch is only 7/64" thick. Obviously, there was a different mold set somewhere along the line. Does anyone have a clue if they were produced at the same time or which came first? Greenberg lists #1 above for the 24557 but has no description of the bottom for the 24572 They were made only a year apart so I can't imagine the molds going bad and having to be replaced that soon.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63206	From: Robert	Date: 1/25/2011
Subject: Re: Tie Stain

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote: > > This is Tuesday Jan 25 2011. This morning I received in reply to an email I had sent to BK products concerning the Tru-Scale tie stain. Mr Clifford A. Mestel of Tru-Scale now owned by BK Products which I believe is a division of Trout Creek Engineering informed me that they do indeed still produce the tie stain. It is $11.00 per pint plus shipping. I used this stain many times in the past with excellent results i stained ties and stripwood that I was building a wooden trestle with with excellent results. I would suggest staining the ties or stripwood first as the stain will not cover dried glue. > Bob >According to Mr Mestel you can order the tie stain at Tru-Scale Models, Inc 12874 County Road 314B Buena Vista, Colorado 81211 You can also order by email if you wish at www.troutcreekeng.com in 2 or 3 emails for security make sure to give credit card number (Visa or Mastercard) and of course all pertinent information

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63207	From: race944t	Date: 1/25/2011
Subject: Old 660/361 Chrome

Is there anything you can do to help preserve the old chrome on an Oct 1950 Santa Fe without the warbonet? It is turning goldish and before i tried some household remedies and ruined it I figured I better ask the experts. I've tried to search the database without luck. So far, I'm lucky and the plastic is sound and the chrome is securely attached. I just want to help preserve what's left of the finish. Banker Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63208	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 1/25/2011
Subject: Re: Thomas the Tank Engine--Running Since 2004

I also have a Lionel docksider and several Thomas engines and would appreciate seeing any photos available of the installation and comments on doing it. Roger Delthony rpd5@... EarthLink Revolves Around You. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63209	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/25/2011
Subject: mermaid

http://tmwshop.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3_12&products_id=668&zenid=a436dbbe8bb4b0300f345d93fc4c18d3 I need this for the pool by the ballpark. http://tmwshop.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=601 And this for the apple orchard. Who says there is nothing good in S. JUST KIDDING! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63210	From: cvlk	Date: 1/25/2011
Subject: Re: Old 660/361 Chrome

The set I had turned Gold soon after I got it "back in the day" new! Charlie Vlk Is there anything you can do to help preserve the old chrome on an Oct 1950 Santa Fe without the warbonet? It is turning goldish and before i tried some household remedies and ruined it I figured I better ask the experts. I've tried to search the database without luck. So far, I'm lucky and the plastic is sound and the chrome is securely attached. I just want to help preserve what's left of the finish. Banker Bill Clark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63211	From: ceejay902003	Date: 1/25/2011
Subject: Wilbur Farley.

Just wondering if anyone knew, of knew of a Wilbur Farley. in 1970 he was made a lifetime member of the "National Association of S-Gaugers" and was a very active modeller. After the second world war he worked for General Electric, and on retirement in the late 70's he moved to England with his wife Doris who was English. Would like to hear from anyone who knew him or had interest in his layouts or models. Chris.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63212	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/25/2011
Subject: Re: Old 660/361 Chrome

Bill, Since you are a “banker” you turn things to gold. Case solved. Mike From: cvlk Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 3:57 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Old 660/361 Chrome The set I had turned Gold soon after I got it "back in the day" new! Charlie Vlk Is there anything you can do to help preserve the old chrome on an Oct 1950 Santa Fe without the warbonet? It is turning goldish and before i tried some household remedies and ruined it I figured I better ask the experts. I've tried to search the database without luck. So far, I'm lucky and the plastic is sound and the chrome is securely attached. I just want to help preserve what's left of the finish. Banker Bill Clark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63213	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/25/2011
Subject: Re: 21099 Drw Bar

Hi Harwood, Part number for 21099 drawbar is PA14A839. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, January 22, 2011 11:31:24 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 21099 Drw Bar Tom or Doug, what is the part number for the draw bar for the 21099 engine? Thank, Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63214	From: sgaugian	Date: 1/25/2011
Subject: Re: AF 346 0-8-0 in cab 4 position reverse unit

Right, but you had to remove the pin to get to the spring. What pin did you use with the KC spring? Did you reuse the original pin or use something else? Sometimes once you undo the flared end of a pin/rivet like that you don't always get to reuse it. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Tom <tomminil@...> wrote: > > NOT KC PIN THE coupler Spring > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63215	From: David	Date: 1/25/2011
Subject: Installing Roads & Parking Lots - Video Posted

Hi All, Tracie and I spent the weekend experimenting with roads and parking lots. I've posted a three part video on YouTube showing our progress. You can view them here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvaWDcDox0w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKgYha4VAlw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNk8RHMtQdU It doesn't look very good until everything is dry. I think it ended up looking pretty good for our first try. Check my other videos while you're at YouTube! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63216	From: David	Date: 1/25/2011
Subject: Re: mermaid

Hi Mike, I see these and other "adult" figures on eBay all the time - in S no less - lol. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > http://tmwshop.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3_12&products_id=668&zenid=a436dbbe8bb4b0300f345d93fc4c18d3 > > I need this for the pool by the ballpark. > > http://tmwshop.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=601 > > And this for the apple orchard. > > Who says there is nothing good in S. > > JUST KIDDING! > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63217	From: Timboy	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Tie Stain

Bob and All: I have been very pleased with using cedar wood for trestle bents, etc. I like the look of Minwax ebony stain over the brownish wood. Worked for me, so I thought I would pass the idea on to others who might like to try it. OBTW, on my RR, I am done with the construction and am concentrating on wiring up all the blocks and debugging the track. Boring work, but getting closer to the smell of steamer smoke again! lol http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63218	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Old 660/361 Chrome

Some years ago I bought a beautiful chrome 360/361 set on eBay for like $450 dollars. I brought it home and displayed it in my train room, which since I live in Florida, is what they call a Florida Room. Windows on three side with blinds on them. To my horror the side of the engine facing the light began to turn a darker amber color. I have another engine like these, though not in good condition, that the light seems to have no effect on. In short, many of these 360/361 engines are photo-sensitive. If you find one that isn't gold yet, keep it out of the light! Especially UV light, which is in daylight and florescent lamps! You see them outside at train shows like York in the Sunlight! The worst thing you can do. Later Gilbert chrome does not seem to act like this. My chrome 470s are fine... As far as cleaning the gold off, I think that once it has turned, it is impossible. I know that Portlines does offer a service to rechrome the shells. I have a pair of shells I bought from Doug at York, and they are beautiful! I took these shells and combined them with a 360 chassis from another bad eBay buy, my first 360 bought on eBay when I first got back into trains in 1998, and put TMCC, full sound and a LED headlight on it. Not prototype, but I turned junk into a wonderful fun Alco that can go proudly into the light... So to preserve the these engines, you have to keep them in the dark, which is not much fun! Chuck Harrington http://www.myflyertrains.org A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online! On Jan 25, 2011, at 2:21 PM, race944t wrote: > Is there anything you can do to help preserve the old chrome on an Oct 1950 Santa Fe without the warbonet? It is turning goldish and before i tried some household remedies and ruined it I figured I better ask the experts. I've tried to search the database without luck. > > So far, I'm lucky and the plastic is sound and the chrome is securely attached. I just want to help preserve what's left of the finish. > > Banker Bill Clark > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63219	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Do your Jeeps say "Jeep" 2nd request.

My 24557 Flatcar is gray-painted over black plastic as described in the Greenberg book. Greenberg makes no metion of flatcars in red or green. The Jeeps are marked Tootsietoy and Made In USA perpendicular to the sides. No Jeep lettering. Axles go through holes in the casting. Two piece brake wheel. Hope this helps. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "race944t" <race944t@...> wrote: > > Having not gotten a response from my post of Jan 13, I thought I would try again to solve my little mystery. > > Jan 13, 2011 post: > > OK so Gilbert made two Jeep transport cars 24572 US Navy & 24557 US Navy, right. Other than color red vs. green is there a difference in the Jeeps. > > Case in point: > > 1) I have one pair of Jeeps with the following markings on the underside: > > TOOTSIETOY (R) > > MADE IN U.S.A > > lettered in two lines, paralled to the sides of the vehicle, under the hood and: > > JEEP > > lettered perpendicular to the sides of the vehicle under the seats. > > On this pair the axles are held in place by bending some tabs over the axle. > > The trailer hitch on the back is 13/64" thick. > > 2) I have another pair that have the following markings on the underside: > > TOOTSIETOY > > MADE IN > > U. S. A. > > with the lettering in 3 lines and perpendicular to the sides of the vehicle under the hood. There is no "JEEP" lettering. > > The axles go through holes in the casting and each axle has an axle sleeve between the sides of the vehicle. > > The trailer hitch is only 7/64" thick. > > Obviously, there was a different mold set somewhere along the line. Does anyone have a clue if they were produced at the same time or which came first? > > Greenberg lists #1 above for the 24557 but has no description of the bottom for the 24572 > > They were made only a year apart so I can't imagine the molds going bad and having to be replaced that soon. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63220	From: EDWARD	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Do your Jeeps say "Jeep" 2nd request.

I went and checked my Red and Green Jeeps, 1 set of each. They are as stated in number 1. Ed Eckert --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "race944t" <race944t@...> wrote: > > Having not gotten a response from my post of Jan 13, I thought I would try again to solve my little mystery. > > Jan 13, 2011 post: > > OK so Gilbert made two Jeep transport cars 24572 US Navy & 24557 US Navy, right. Other than color red vs. green is there a difference in the Jeeps. > > Case in point: > > 1) I have one pair of Jeeps with the following markings on the underside: > > TOOTSIETOY (R) > > MADE IN U.S.A > > lettered in two lines, paralled to the sides of the vehicle, under the hood and: > > JEEP > > lettered perpendicular to the sides of the vehicle under the seats. > > On this pair the axles are held in place by bending some tabs over the axle. > > The trailer hitch on the back is 13/64" thick. > > 2) I have another pair that have the following markings on the underside: > > TOOTSIETOY > > MADE IN > > U. S. A. > > with the lettering in 3 lines and perpendicular to the sides of the vehicle under the hood. There is no "JEEP" lettering. > > The axles go through holes in the casting and each axle has an axle sleeve between the sides of the vehicle. > > The trailer hitch is only 7/64" thick. > > Obviously, there was a different mold set somewhere along the line. Does anyone have a clue if they were produced at the same time or which came first? > > Greenberg lists #1 above for the 24557 but has no description of the bottom for the 24572 > > They were made only a year apart so I can't imagine the molds going bad and having to be replaced that soon. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63221	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Do your Jeeps say "Jeep" 2nd request.

SORRY I MENT # 1   Mine is like #1 AND HAS THE THICK TRAILER HITCH which I was told years ago is the only type used by Gilbert.... The thin ones never came with Gilbert stuff.... Bob Conner --- On Wed, 1/26/11, EDWARD <ejenterp@...> wrote: From: EDWARD <ejenterp@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Do your Jeeps say "Jeep" 2nd request. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 12:14 PM   I went and checked my Red and Green Jeeps, 1 set of each. They are as stated in number 1. Ed Eckert --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "race944t" <race944t@...> wrote: > > Having not gotten a response from my post of Jan 13, I thought I would try again to solve my little mystery. > > Jan 13, 2011 post: > > OK so Gilbert made two Jeep transport cars 24572 US Navy & 24557 US Navy, right. Other than color red vs. green is there a difference in the Jeeps. > > Case in point: > > 1) I have one pair of Jeeps with the following markings on the underside: > > TOOTSIETOY (R) > > MADE IN U.S.A > > lettered in two lines, paralled to the sides of the vehicle, under the hood and: > > JEEP > > lettered perpendicular to the sides of the vehicle under the seats. > > On this pair the axles are held in place by bending some tabs over the axle. > > The trailer hitch on the back is 13/64" thick. > > 2) I have another pair that have the following markings on the underside: > > TOOTSIETOY > > MADE IN > > U. S. A. > > with the lettering in 3 lines and perpendicular to the sides of the vehicle under the hood. There is no "JEEP" lettering. > > The axles go through holes in the casting and each axle has an axle sleeve between the sides of the vehicle. > > The trailer hitch is only 7/64" thick. > > Obviously, there was a different mold set somewhere along the line. Does anyone have a clue if they were produced at the same time or which came first? > > Greenberg lists #1 above for the 24557 but has no description of the bottom for the 24572 > > They were made only a year apart so I can't imagine the molds going bad and having to be replaced that soon. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63222	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Old 660/361 Chrome

Do any of you have the rare set with handrails?  I need pictures of that version for TheGilbertGallery.org. --- On Tue, 1/25/11, cvlk <cvlk@...> wrote: From: cvlk <cvlk@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Old 660/361 Chrome To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 12:57 PM   The set I had turned Gold soon after I got it "back in the day" new! Charlie Vlk Is there anything you can do to help preserve the old chrome on an Oct 1950 Santa Fe without the warbonet? It is turning goldish and before i tried some household remedies and ruined it I figured I better ask the experts. I've tried to search the database without luck. So far, I'm lucky and the plastic is sound and the chrome is securely attached. I just want to help preserve what's left of the finish. Banker Bill Clark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63223	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Do your Jeeps say "Jeep" 2nd request.

Mine is like #2 AND HAS THE THICK TRAILER HITCH which I was told years ago is the only type used by Gilbert.... The thin ones never came with Gilbert stuff.... Bob Conner --- On Wed, 1/26/11, EDWARD <ejenterp@...> wrote: From: EDWARD <ejenterp@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Do your Jeeps say "Jeep" 2nd request. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 12:14 PM   I went and checked my Red and Green Jeeps, 1 set of each. They are as stated in number 1. Ed Eckert --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "race944t" <race944t@...> wrote: > > Having not gotten a response from my post of Jan 13, I thought I would try again to solve my little mystery. > > Jan 13, 2011 post: > > OK so Gilbert made two Jeep transport cars 24572 US Navy & 24557 US Navy, right. Other than color red vs. green is there a difference in the Jeeps. > > Case in point: > > 1) I have one pair of Jeeps with the following markings on the underside: > > TOOTSIETOY (R) > > MADE IN U.S.A > > lettered in two lines, paralled to the sides of the vehicle, under the hood and: > > JEEP > > lettered perpendicular to the sides of the vehicle under the seats. > > On this pair the axles are held in place by bending some tabs over the axle. > > The trailer hitch on the back is 13/64" thick. > > 2) I have another pair that have the following markings on the underside: > > TOOTSIETOY > > MADE IN > > U. S. A. > > with the lettering in 3 lines and perpendicular to the sides of the vehicle under the hood. There is no "JEEP" lettering. > > The axles go through holes in the casting and each axle has an axle sleeve between the sides of the vehicle. > > The trailer hitch is only 7/64" thick. > > Obviously, there was a different mold set somewhere along the line. Does anyone have a clue if they were produced at the same time or which came first? > > Greenberg lists #1 above for the 24557 but has no description of the bottom for the 24572 > > They were made only a year apart so I can't imagine the molds going bad and having to be replaced that soon. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63224	From: lumglum	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: 27 ohm smoke element

I'm willing to improve my smoke element on my #800...I'll need a 27 ohm element (a good one). Contact me if you are willing to part with one. Thanks, George

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63225	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Table Skirt

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/236558368/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=721&count=20&dir=asc Table skirt professionally made by Linda with her 1977 High School graduation Viking Sewing machine present from her parents. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63226	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Table Skirt

I forgot to mention that we will put some Velcro to close the gaps in the edges. Mike From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 2:35 PM To: S Trains Subject: Table Skirt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/236558368/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=721&count=20&dir=asc Table skirt professionally made by Linda with her 1977 High School graduation Viking Sewing machine present from her parents. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63227	From: Bill Drake	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Old 660/361 Chrome

Robert - I have them - not in the best of shape. Assume you meant 360-361. Will take a little time to locate but will be glad to send photos. Bill Drake Snow on the ground but not in the air in St. Louis ________________________________ From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, January 26, 2011 11:48:53 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Old 660/361 Chrome   Do any of you have the rare set with handrails?  I need pictures of that version for TheGilbertGallery.org. --- On Tue, 1/25/11, cvlk <cvlk@...> wrote: From: cvlk <cvlk@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Old 660/361 Chrome To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 12:57 PM   The set I had turned Gold soon after I got it "back in the day" new! Charlie Vlk Is there anything you can do to help preserve the old chrome on an Oct 1950 Santa Fe without the warbonet? It is turning goldish and before i tried some household remedies and ruined it I figured I better ask the experts. I've tried to search the database without luck. So far, I'm lucky and the plastic is sound and the chrome is securely attached. I just want to help preserve what's left of the finish. Banker Bill Clark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63228	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: 27 ohm smoke element

A good way to improve the smoke is to replace the unit with an original Gilbert unit set at 42-45 ohms. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 1/26/2011 12:50:53 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, gpmlg@... writes: I'm willing to improve my smoke element on my #800...I'll need a 27 ohm element (a good one). Contact me if you are willing to part with one. Thanks, George [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63229	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Table Skirt

Mike.....You had better take a look at your lighting.... FLUORESCENT BULBS will change colors on plastic...... Bob --- On Wed, 1/26/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Table Skirt To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 2:36 PM   I forgot to mention that we will put some Velcro to close the gaps in the edges. Mike From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 2:35 PM To: S Trains Subject: Table Skirt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/236558368/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=721&count=20&dir=asc Table skirt professionally made by Linda with her 1977 High School graduation Viking Sewing machine present from her parents. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63230	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Table Skirt

Beautifully done! How much to make one for me...? Roy on 1/26/11 1:35 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer at mlmarmer@... wrote: > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/236558368/vi > ew?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=721&count=20&dir=asc > > Table skirt professionally made by Linda with her 1977 High School graduation > Viking Sewing machine present from her parents. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63231	From: rick gough	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Old 660/361 Chrome

You also need pics of the Santa Fe 470/471/473. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing --- On Wed, 1/26/11, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Old 660/361 Chrome To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 9:48 AM   Do any of you have the rare set with handrails?  I need pictures of that version for TheGilbertGallery.org. --- On Tue, 1/25/11, cvlk <cvlk@...> wrote: From: cvlk <cvlk@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Old 660/361 Chrome To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 12:57 PM   The set I had turned Gold soon after I got it "back in the day" new! Charlie Vlk Is there anything you can do to help preserve the old chrome on an Oct 1950 Santa Fe without the warbonet? It is turning goldish and before i tried some household remedies and ruined it I figured I better ask the experts. I've tried to search the database without luck. So far, I'm lucky and the plastic is sound and the chrome is securely attached. I just want to help preserve what's left of the finish. Banker Bill Clark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63232	From: David	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Tracie's Table Skirt

Hi Mike and Everyone Else, Here are some photos of the train table skirt my wife Tracie made. It sure is a good thing that she takes an interest in my hobbies because I don't have the skill or the patience to work a sewing machine! http://tinyurl.com/4a4lrvf http://tinyurl.com/4rgnvbw http://tinyurl.com/47gtock http://tinyurl.com/4n6ho8u http://tinyurl.com/4lmj5zn http://tinyurl.com/4rbu9n8 BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63233	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: British S gauge cars for Thomas?

Unfortunately I did not take any construction photos of the Percy conversion which was rather straight forward. Using the commercial Percy "Pull Toy" I used a dremel to remove the innards of the shell, removed the E unit from the Casey Jones and added a bridge rectified for DC operations, fabricated assorted brackets to bond to the shell and the front of the stripped CJ chassis to mount the 2 together. I had to trim the corners of the phenolic motor top plate to clear the shell. I salvaged and cut out the red plastic "Bumper" plate to clear the new chassis and hot glued it to the shell. I will take and post pictures of the more extensive modifications needed for converting the 0-4-0 CJ chassis to an 0-6-0 with a 3" wheelbase to fit the Thomas shell. This won't happen for several months tho. Kyle -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rance and Bente Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 12:35 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] British S gauge cars for Thomas? Hi Kyle: I think you mentioned it before, but do you have any photos of what you are doing? Sounds like a good idea; I have to find two Thomas S gauge trains for either this year's or next year's Christmas. It could be a nice project to work on in the next few months. Thanks for info and possibly photos - you can send them directly to my email address or I can check into the yahoo groups site. regards, Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63234	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Table Skirt

Roy, LOL Thanks, I told Linda she should charge about 80 a hour, plus material, shipping etc.. LOL I think 80 a hour is cheap. Allot of work. Mike From: Roy Inman Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 4:02 PM To: S-trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Table Skirt Beautifully done! How much to make one for me...? Roy on 1/26/11 1:35 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer at mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net wrote: > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/236558368/vi > ew?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=721&count=20&dir=asc > > Table skirt professionally made by Linda with her 1977 High School graduation > Viking Sewing machine present from her parents. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63235	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Tracie's Table Skirt

Hi David, I have seen you table skirt before in video’s. Nicely done, as we are both lucky to have spouses interested in the hobby. Me neither on the sewing machine, but we should learn, really. Mike From: David Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 4:31 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Tracie's Table Skirt Hi Mike and Everyone Else, Here are some photos of the train table skirt my wife Tracie made. It sure is a good thing that she takes an interest in my hobbies because I don't have the skill or the patience to work a sewing machine! http://tinyurl.com/4a4lrvf http://tinyurl.com/4rgnvbw http://tinyurl.com/47gtock http://tinyurl.com/4n6ho8u http://tinyurl.com/4lmj5zn http://tinyurl.com/4rbu9n8 BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63236	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Table Skirt

Bob, I have UV tubes in them, nothing has changed. Had these lights in since 1993. Mike From: Robert Conner Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 3:51 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Table Skirt Mike.....You had better take a look at your lighting.... FLUORESCENT BULBS will change colors on plastic...... Bob --- On Wed, 1/26/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Table Skirt To: "S Trains" <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 2:36 PM I forgot to mention that we will put some Velcro to close the gaps in the edges. Mike From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 2:35 PM To: S Trains Subject: Table Skirt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/236558368/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=721&count=20&dir=asc Table skirt professionally made by Linda with her 1977 High School graduation Viking Sewing machine present from her parents. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63237	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Table Skirt

It IS cheap! Soon as this Depression is over, I might consider it... :) Roy on 1/26/11 4:44 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer at mlmarmer@... wrote: > > > > > > Roy, > > LOL > > Thanks, > > I told Linda she should charge about 80 a hour, plus material, shipping etc.. > > LOL > > I think 80 a hour is cheap. > > Allot of work. > > Mike > > From: Roy Inman > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 4:02 PM > To: S-trains > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Table Skirt > > Beautifully done! > How much to make one for me...? > Roy > > on 1/26/11 1:35 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer at mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/236558368/vi >> > ew?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=721&count=20&dir=asc >> > >> > Table skirt professionally made by Linda with her 1977 High School >> graduation >> > Viking Sewing machine present from her parents. >> > >> > Mike >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63238	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Table Skirt

Roy, That was my suggested price, not from Linda herself. LOL Okay for you 80. O! Mike From: Roy Inman Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 6:10 PM To: S-trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Table Skirt It IS cheap! Soon as this Depression is over, I might consider it... :) Roy on 1/26/11 4:44 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer at mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net wrote: > > > > > > Roy, > > LOL > > Thanks, > > I told Linda she should charge about 80 a hour, plus material, shipping etc.. > > LOL > > I think 80 a hour is cheap. > > Allot of work. > > Mike > > From: Roy Inman > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 4:02 PM > To: S-trains > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Table Skirt > > Beautifully done! > How much to make one for me...? > Roy > > on 1/26/11 1:35 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer at mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/236558368/vi >> > ew?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=721&count=20&dir=asc >> > >> > Table skirt professionally made by Linda with her 1977 High School >> graduation >> > Viking Sewing machine present from her parents. >> > >> > Mike >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63239	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Do your Jeeps say "Jeep" 2nd request.

I sure didn't read your post well enough when I confused the color of the flat vs the color of the Jeeps. Anyway, my green Jeeps are like those in you #2 description....with 7/64 inch thick hitches. Are they original to the flat....I don't know, since I bought the flat with the Jeeps only about four years ago. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "race944t" <race944t@...> wrote: > > Having not gotten a response from my post of Jan 13, I thought I would try again to solve my little mystery. > > Jan 13, 2011 post: > > OK so Gilbert made two Jeep transport cars 24572 US Navy & 24557 US Navy, right. Other than color red vs. green is there a difference in the Jeeps. > > Case in point: > > 1) I have one pair of Jeeps with the following markings on the underside: > > TOOTSIETOY (R) > > MADE IN U.S.A > > lettered in two lines, paralled to the sides of the vehicle, under the hood and: > > JEEP > > lettered perpendicular to the sides of the vehicle under the seats. > > On this pair the axles are held in place by bending some tabs over the axle. > > The trailer hitch on the back is 13/64" thick. > > 2) I have another pair that have the following markings on the underside: > > TOOTSIETOY > > MADE IN > > U. S. A. > > with the lettering in 3 lines and perpendicular to the sides of the vehicle under the hood. There is no "JEEP" lettering. > > The axles go through holes in the casting and each axle has an axle sleeve between the sides of the vehicle. > > The trailer hitch is only 7/64" thick. > > Obviously, there was a different mold set somewhere along the line. Does anyone have a clue if they were produced at the same time or which came first? > > Greenberg lists #1 above for the 24557 but has no description of the bottom for the 24572 > > They were made only a year apart so I can't imagine the molds going bad and having to be replaced that soon. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63240	From: Howard	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Stripping&Repainting Boiler

Hello, i'm in the process of stripping down a 315 in need of new paint.My question is using the proper stripping product to safely remove the old paint and using the correct paint to match as close as possible, tha A.F. type. I'd appreciate any help for this project. Thanks, Howard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63241	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Do your Jeeps say "Jeep" 2nd request.

I am sure that Tootsie Toy had variations in the things they made. For example the road signs they made had numbers on the bottom of them. then they did not. Mike From: acgilbertguy Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 6:57 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Do your Jeeps say "Jeep" 2nd request. I sure didn't read your post well enough when I confused the color of the flat vs the color of the Jeeps. Anyway, my green Jeeps are like those in you #2 description....with 7/64 inch thick hitches. Are they original to the flat....I don't know, since I bought the flat with the Jeeps only about four years ago. --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "race944t" <race944t@...> wrote: > > Having not gotten a response from my post of Jan 13, I thought I would try again to solve my little mystery. > > Jan 13, 2011 post: > > OK so Gilbert made two Jeep transport cars 24572 US Navy & 24557 US Navy, right. Other than color red vs. green is there a difference in the Jeeps. > > Case in point: > > 1) I have one pair of Jeeps with the following markings on the underside: > > TOOTSIETOY (R) > > MADE IN U.S.A > > lettered in two lines, paralled to the sides of the vehicle, under the hood and: > > JEEP > > lettered perpendicular to the sides of the vehicle under the seats. > > On this pair the axles are held in place by bending some tabs over the axle. > > The trailer hitch on the back is 13/64" thick. > > 2) I have another pair that have the following markings on the underside: > > TOOTSIETOY > > MADE IN > > U. S. A. > > with the lettering in 3 lines and perpendicular to the sides of the vehicle under the hood. There is no "JEEP" lettering. > > The axles go through holes in the casting and each axle has an axle sleeve between the sides of the vehicle. > > The trailer hitch is only 7/64" thick. > > Obviously, there was a different mold set somewhere along the line. Does anyone have a clue if they were produced at the same time or which came first? > > Greenberg lists #1 above for the 24557 but has no description of the bottom for the 24572 > > They were made only a year apart so I can't imagine the molds going bad and having to be replaced that soon. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63242	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Stripping&Repainting Boiler

You can use either Pine-Sol or Super Clean to strip the old paint off the boiler. You may have to use an old toothbrush or auto detailing brush to get paint out of crevices. I like to repaint & redecorate Flyer junkers and have used both products. The Super Clean can also be used to strip paint from Flyer plastic body shells without harm, while Pine-Sol will attack plastic. I'm sure Doug Peck can supply the proper paint but I would recommend using a good quality primer first. My favorite is Plastikote sandable automotive primer. Also don't forget to wash off the boiler with some detergent and warm water prior too painting to insure good paint adhesion and coverage.   Bob --- On Wed, 1/26/11, Howard <papehoward@...> wrote: From: Howard <papehoward@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Stripping&Repainting Boiler To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 7:42 PM   Hello, i'm in the process of stripping down a 315 in need of new paint.My question is using the proper stripping product to safely remove the old paint and using the correct paint to match as close as possible, tha A.F. type. I'd appreciate any help for this project. Thanks, Howard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63243	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Do your Jeeps say "Jeep" 2nd request.

I have also heard from a source along the way that the jeeps with plastic wheels were not Gilbert loads but the jeeps with   the rubber wheels were.  Al --- On Wed, 1/26/11, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Do your Jeeps say "Jeep" 2nd request. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 9:20 AM   Mine is like #2 AND HAS THE THICK TRAILER HITCH which I was told years ago is the only type used by Gilbert.... The thin ones never came with Gilbert stuff.... Bob Conner --- On Wed, 1/26/11, EDWARD <ejenterp@...> wrote: From: EDWARD <ejenterp@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Do your Jeeps say "Jeep" 2nd request. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 12:14 PM   I went and checked my Red and Green Jeeps, 1 set of each. They are as stated in number 1. Ed Eckert --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "race944t" <race944t@...> wrote: > > Having not gotten a response from my post of Jan 13, I thought I would try again to solve my little mystery. > > Jan 13, 2011 post: > > OK so Gilbert made two Jeep transport cars 24572 US Navy & 24557 US Navy, right. Other than color red vs. green is there a difference in the Jeeps. > > Case in point: > > 1) I have one pair of Jeeps with the following markings on the underside: > > TOOTSIETOY (R) > > MADE IN U.S.A > > lettered in two lines, paralled to the sides of the vehicle, under the hood and: > > JEEP > > lettered perpendicular to the sides of the vehicle under the seats. > > On this pair the axles are held in place by bending some tabs over the axle. > > The trailer hitch on the back is 13/64" thick. > > 2) I have another pair that have the following markings on the underside: > > TOOTSIETOY > > MADE IN > > U. S. A. > > with the lettering in 3 lines and perpendicular to the sides of the vehicle under the hood. There is no "JEEP" lettering. > > The axles go through holes in the casting and each axle has an axle sleeve between the sides of the vehicle. > > The trailer hitch is only 7/64" thick. > > Obviously, there was a different mold set somewhere along the line. Does anyone have a clue if they were produced at the same time or which came first? > > Greenberg lists #1 above for the 24557 but has no description of the bottom for the 24572 > > They were made only a year apart so I can't imagine the molds going bad and having to be replaced that soon. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63244	From: JOHN and CAROL	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Stripping&Repainting Boiler

Howard wrote: Hello, i'm in the process of stripping down a 315 in need of new paint. My question is using the proper stripping product to safely remove the old paint and using the correct paint to match as close as possible, tha A.F. type. I'd appreciate any help for this project. >>> Howard, The question of paint stripping pops up every so often, and the S-Trains archives are full of various responses if you want to search for them. Here is an archived response of my favorite method (you can search the archives under "Paint Stripping" or "Paint Removal"). I realize that my method below states "plastic shell," but I believe it should work on your diecast 315 boiler. I've always had great success with plain old granular laundry detergent (I use Tide). 1. Remove the plastic shell from the metal floor, trucks, and couplers. 2. Fill a bucket with enough warm water to cover your shell. 3. Mix in about a cup of granular laundry detergent. You'll have to stir a bunch to dissolve it, as this is a lot of soap. 4. Insert your shell, and let nature take its course. 5. If you want to assist nature, use a very soft toothbrush to GENTLY scrub, especially in those hard-to-reach places. You may have to stir up the solution from time to time, as you'll get a lot of soap concentrate on the bottom of the bucket. 5. Depending on the age of the original paint job, stripping can take as few as 4 hours or as long as a week. 6. When completely stripped, thoroughly rinse in clean water, then rinse again before painting. Other fellows use more powerful strippers, such as brake fluid or (shudder) oven cleaner. However, I prefer detergent because it is gentle, won't leave any residue on the plastic, and is readily available. It's worked well for me every time, even once when I did a sloppy repaint job and had to start all over again. That new paint took about two weeks to soak clean, but the old oxidized original paint usually comes right off. While this method is for plastic, I've even stripped a couple of sheet-metal tenders using it. Be careful on the tenders, though--you'll get a lot of little rust spots all over the sheet metal, which should be thoroughly wire-brushed off (Dremel) just as soon as you can get it out of the water. Hope this helps. YourS, John Eichmann Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63245	From: frabilz	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Stripping&Repainting Boiler

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Howard" <papehoward@...> wrote: > > Hello, i'm in the process of stripping down a 315 in need of new paint.My question is using the proper stripping product to safely remove the old paint and using the correct paint to match as close as possible, tha A.F. type. I'd appreciate any help for this project. Thanks, Howard > Since this is a die cast loco, not much will harm it, unlike with plastics where you have to be very careful. I have successfully used brake fluid on all the castings to strip the old paint. I use Krylon #1613 semi-flat black which is a good color match for the original, or you could try some of the reproduction paint sold by Portlines and other parts suppliers. Bill Frazier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63246	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Stripping&Repainting Boiler

The soap and other cleaning products work fine on plastic stuff but the best way to clean a metal boiler is to glass bead it. That way no chemicals are absorbed into the porous cast metal that is used on Gilbert locos to leach their way back out over timeand effect the paint. Using an auto primer before the black paint is a good idea too. We provide glass beading service to any and all. Steve SnS Trains. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63247	From: Robert	Date: 1/26/2011
Subject: Re: Stripping&Repainting Boiler

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, JOHN and CAROL <number22@...> wrote: > > Howard wrote: > > Hello, i'm in the process of stripping down a 315 in need of new paint. My question is using the proper stripping product to safely remove the old paint and using the correct paint to match as close as possible, tha A.F. type. I'd appreciate any help for this project. > I've had good luck with plain Pine-Sol used full strength. I would advise testing it first in a hidden spot to make sure it's not going to damage any plastic body shells, however, in your case you should be ok. After the paint bubbles use an old toothbrush to remove all the paint. Scrub with warm water and detergent (dish soap works well) and rinse thoroughly and let it air dry. Another method is plain brake fluid... the old type from the 40's 50's and 60's. This stuff will tear the finish off a car in no time so it should work for your needs. Make sure that you wear some type of rubber gloves as it can harm your skin. Eye protection might be a good idea too. Again after the paint bubbles use an old toothbrush to remove all traces of paint. With either method you may have to soak it more than once. When done rinse thoroughly with soap and water and let air dry.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63248	From: Carey Probst	Date: 1/27/2011
Subject: Re: Tracie's Table Skirt

All, it really isn't that hard, at least for simple items. My grandmother taught me to sew on her treadle powered machine. So much easier than the new ones with all the features. Sure wish I still had that old gem but my cousin (a girl) got it. Ask nice and maybe your wives will teach you. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 1/26/2011 5:43 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > > Hi David, > > I have seen you table skirt before in video’s. > > Nicely done, as we are both lucky to have spouses interested in the hobby. > > Me neither on the sewing machine, but we should learn, really. > > Mike >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63249	From: Howard	Date: 1/27/2011
Subject: Stripping&Repainting boiler. Thanks

I would like to thank all the members for thier help on my project. I'll be able to proceed now without having to worry about using a coustic and flammable product. Many thanks again!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63250	From: rick gough	Date: 1/27/2011
Subject: Re: Stripping&Repainting boiler. Thanks

If you do the detergent stripping method, I would think TSP would be most affective in super saturated solution. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63251	From: Robert	Date: 1/27/2011
Subject: Ballast Cement

Since Woodland Scenics has discontinued their dry powdered ballast glue I was a bit perplexed as to what to use other than diluted white glue or diluted matte medium both of which can be pretty messy. Recently during a trip to one of the 3 local building materials stores here in town I came across a product called Sure Grip dry powdered wallpaper cement.when I asked the sales clerk if he thought it would work for model railroad ballast he stated that he did not see why not. I'll give it a shot when I build my 8X16 and make a report on how well it does or does not work. Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63252	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/27/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement

I don’t see why you wont use the 50/50 white glue with a drop of dish soap to put down your ballast. You can get a gallon of white glue from Michael's use the weekly 40 % off coupon. I did a 8 x 12 layout with no problems. And if I had to take up the ballast, due to a error, came right up and I was able to reuse the ballast with no problems. Hold very well. Mike From: Robert Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:22 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Ballast Cement Since Woodland Scenics has discontinued their dry powdered ballast glue I was a bit perplexed as to what to use other than diluted white glue or diluted matte medium both of which can be pretty messy. Recently during a trip to one of the 3 local building materials stores here in town I came across a product called Sure Grip dry powdered wallpaper cement.when I asked the sales clerk if he thought it would work for model railroad ballast he stated that he did not see why not. I'll give it a shot when I build my 8X16 and make a report on how well it does or does not work. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63253	From: Al	Date: 1/27/2011
Subject: Pinesol

Guys,   DO NOT USE PINESOL FOR ANY REASON!!! It dissolves plastic gauranteed. I used it 6 yrs ago to clean the paint off a B-unit and it took the paint off -YUP - and all the small details - and made the plastic go bumpy.   You are asking for trouble if you use it.   Al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63254	From: Robert	Date: 1/27/2011
Subject: Re: Pinesol

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Al <alsflyer@...> wrote: > > Guys, >   > DO NOT USE PINESOL FOR ANY REASON!!! > It dissolves plastic gauranteed. I used it 6 yrs ago to clean the paint off a B-unit and it took the paint off -YUP - and all the small details - and made the plastic go bumpy. >   > You are asking for trouble if you use it. >   > Al > I used Pine- sol on several American Models freight and passenger cars with no problems. Maybe it's the type of plastic. I believe that AM uses ABS plastic. I guess in the future I'll use a commercial paint remover.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63255	From: Robert	Date: 1/27/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I don’t see why you wont use the 50/50 white glue with a drop of dish soap to put down your ballast. > > You can get a gallon of white glue from Michael's use the weekly 40 % off coupon. > > I did a 8 x 12 layout with no problems. > > And if I had to take up the ballast, due to a error, came right up and I was able to reuse the ballast with no problems. > > Hold very well. > > Mike Michael"s? Never heard of it, remember Mike I live in that little town in Egypt but located in Butte, Montana Closest hobby shop... Helena some 60 miles away other than that 90 miles either east or west. The Sure Grip 5 blocks away lolol. You should have seen the mess I had with the diluted white glue some years back. Total disaster

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63256	From: David	Date: 1/27/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement

Hi Bob, I use Aileen's Tacky Glue for putting down ballast. I thin it with water, then place the ballast in the glue mixture. I remove the ballast with a spatula and place it on the layout. It drys clear and has held the ballast in place with no problems. I used this same method to place "chat" on my oil depot. I had to trim the oil depot base a little to fit a curve. The ballast was glued down so hard I had to use a Dremel grinding wheel to remove it. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote: > > Since Woodland Scenics has discontinued their dry powdered ballast glue I was a bit perplexed as to what to use other than diluted white glue or diluted matte medium both of which can be pretty messy. Recently during a trip to one of the 3 local building materials stores here in town I came across a product called Sure Grip dry powdered wallpaper cement.when I asked the sales clerk if he thought it would work for model railroad ballast he stated that he did not see why not. I'll give it a shot when I build my 8X16 and make a report on how well it does or does not work. > Bob >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63257	From: Bruce	Date: 1/27/2011
Subject: Re: Do your Jeeps say "Jeep" 2nd request.

My original green jeeps, on a gray painted black shell 24557 flat car, are as stated in number 1 as well. Bruce DeGailler From: EDWARD Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:14 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Do your Jeeps say "Jeep" 2nd request. I went and checked my Red and Green Jeeps, 1 set of each. They are as stated in number 1. Ed Eckert --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "race944t" <race944t@...> wrote: > > Having not gotten a response from my post of Jan 13, I thought I would try again to solve my little mystery. > > Jan 13, 2011 post: > > OK so Gilbert made two Jeep transport cars 24572 US Navy & 24557 US Navy, right. Other than color red vs. green is there a difference in the Jeeps. > > Case in point: > > 1) I have one pair of Jeeps with the following markings on the underside: > > TOOTSIETOY (R) > > MADE IN U.S.A > > lettered in two lines, paralled to the sides of the vehicle, under the hood and: > > JEEP > > lettered perpendicular to the sides of the vehicle under the seats. > > On this pair the axles are held in place by bending some tabs over the axle. > > The trailer hitch on the back is 13/64" thick. > > 2) I have another pair that have the following markings on the underside: > > TOOTSIETOY > > MADE IN > > U. S. A. > > with the lettering in 3 lines and perpendicular to the sides of the vehicle under the hood. There is no "JEEP" lettering. > > The axles go through holes in the casting and each axle has an axle sleeve between the sides of the vehicle. > > The trailer hitch is only 7/64" thick. > > Obviously, there was a different mold set somewhere along the line. Does anyone have a clue if they were produced at the same time or which came first? > > Greenberg lists #1 above for the 24557 but has no description of the bottom for the 24572 > > They were made only a year apart so I can't imagine the molds going bad and having to be replaced that soon. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63258	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/27/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement

Robert, Michael’s is a craft store chain. I did not know you lived in such isolation. Just kidding. Diluting the glue is easy. get a measuring cup say one cup, Put 2 oz. of glue put in 2 oz. of H2O mix with a dowel or something pour into a container of some type like a coleslaw container and use a eye dropper. I am the one who makes a mess out of things, and if I can do this, you can too. Good luck. Mike From: Robert Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:52 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ballast Cement --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I don’t see why you wont use the 50/50 white glue with a drop of dish soap to put down your ballast. > > You can get a gallon of white glue from Michael's use the weekly 40 % off coupon. > > I did a 8 x 12 layout with no problems. > > And if I had to take up the ballast, due to a error, came right up and I was able to reuse the ballast with no problems. > > Hold very well. > > Mike Michael"s? Never heard of it, remember Mike I live in that little town in Egypt but located in Butte, Montana Closest hobby shop... Helena some 60 miles away other than that 90 miles either east or west. The Sure Grip 5 blocks away lolol. You should have seen the mess I had with the diluted white glue some years back. Total disaster [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63259	From: Carey Probst	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement

That method won't be available much longer. I heard the EPA was trying to ban dihydrogen oxide as a dangerous chemical because inhaling too much of it can cause death.. Carey (with tongue planted firmly in cheek) Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 1/27/2011 10:54 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > > Robert, > > Michael’s is a craft store chain. I did not know you lived in such > isolation. Just kidding. > > Diluting the glue is easy. > > get a measuring cup say one cup, Put 2 oz. of glue put in 2 oz. of H2O > mix with a dowel or something pour into a container of some type like > a coleslaw container and use a eye dropper. > > I am the one who makes a mess out of things, and if I can do this, you > can too. > > Good luck. > Mike > > From: Robert > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:52 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ballast Cement > > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" > <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > > > I don’t see why you wont use the 50/50 white glue with a drop of > dish soap to put down your ballast. > > > > You can get a gallon of white glue from Michael's use the weekly 40 > % off coupon. > > > > I did a 8 x 12 layout with no problems. > > > > And if I had to take up the ballast, due to a error, came right up > and I was able to reuse the ballast with no problems. > > > > Hold very well. > > > > Mike > > Michael"s? Never heard of it, remember Mike I live in that little town > in Egypt but located in Butte, Montana Closest hobby shop... Helena > some 60 miles away other than that 90 miles either east or west. The > Sure Grip 5 blocks away lolol. You should have seen the mess I had > with the diluted white glue some years back. Total disaster > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63260	From: zemouse2001	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement

I second Michael's comments - just use white glue (available at any hardware store, department store, etc), dilute with water (50%-ish), add a bit of dish washing liquid soap to knock down the surface tension and then use a eye dropper to drip it on the ballast. The solution will just wick away nicely and you won't see it. Super easy and inexpensive. Don't see how it could be messy at all - the eye dropper trick works great. Bob Groh Blue Springs, Missouri

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63261	From: race944t	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: Do your Jeeps say "Jeep" FINAL ANSWER IS . . .

It would seem the final answer is #1 below. Those who responded with #2 didn't say their Jeeps were original and there were several who responded with #1 who said they knew the Jeeps were original. So if you are looking to replace them, your Jeeps should say Jeep and have a thick trailer hitch. Thanks to all who responded. > > Having not gotten a response from my post of Jan 13, I thought I would try again to solve my little mystery. > > > > Jan 13, 2011 post: > > > > OK so Gilbert made two Jeep transport cars 24572 US Navy & 24557 US Navy, right. Other than color red vs. green is there a difference in the Jeeps. > > > > Case in point: > > > > 1) I have one pair of Jeeps with the following markings on the underside: > > > > TOOTSIETOY (R) > > > > MADE IN U.S.A > > > > lettered in two lines, paralled to the sides of the vehicle, under the hood and: > > > > JEEP > > > > lettered perpendicular to the sides of the vehicle under the seats. > > > > On this pair the axles are held in place by bending some tabs over the axle. > > > > The trailer hitch on the back is 13/64" thick. > > > > 2) I have another pair that have the following markings on the underside: > > > > TOOTSIETOY > > > > MADE IN > > > > U. S. A. > > > > with the lettering in 3 lines and perpendicular to the sides of the vehicle under the hood. There is no "JEEP" lettering. > > > > The axles go through holes in the casting and each axle has an axle sleeve between the sides of the vehicle. > > > > The trailer hitch is only 7/64" thick. > > > > Obviously, there was a different mold set somewhere along the line. Does anyone have a clue if they were produced at the same time or which came first? > > > > Greenberg lists #1 above for the 24557 but has no description of the bottom for the 24572 > > > > They were made only a year apart so I can't imagine the molds going bad and having to be replaced that soon. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63262	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement

Don’t forget to spray water over the ballast first! Makes for the glue solution to move through the ballast better. Gosh, I did this when I was 15 in 1970 with a HO layout. Mike From: zemouse2001 Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 10:41 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ballast Cement I second Michael's comments - just use white glue (available at any hardware store, department store, etc), dilute with water (50%-ish), add a bit of dish washing liquid soap to knock down the surface tension and then use a eye dropper to drip it on the ballast. The solution will just wick away nicely and you won't see it. Super easy and inexpensive. Don't see how it could be messy at all - the eye dropper trick works great. Bob Groh Blue Springs, Missouri [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63263	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement

Here is a trick for using the glue mix on ballast or scenery that will make it much easier to get good looking results even if you have added dish soap to the glue mixture. Pre mist the area you are working on with a window cleaner. Clear cleaners are now available instead of blue or purple. It is amazing how much better the glue mixture will flow into the ballast doing this. I also use the Wall Paper paste powder available at True Value Hardware for bonding the ground cover together. I mix it dry in the ground cover and after spreading I wet it down with window cleaner. Easy! Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of zemouse2001 Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 10:42 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ballast Cement I second Michael's comments - just use white glue (available at any hardware store, department store, etc), dilute with water (50%-ish), add a bit of dish washing liquid soap to knock down the surface tension and then use a eye dropper to drip it on the ballast. The solution will just wick away nicely and you won't see it. Super easy and inexpensive. Don't see how it could be messy at all - the eye dropper trick works great. Bob Groh Blue Springs, Missouri [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63264	From: Robert	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Robert, > > Michael’s is a craft store chain. I did not know you lived in such isolation. Just kidding. > > Diluting the glue is easy. > > get a measuring cup say one cup, Put 2 oz. of glue put in 2 oz. of H2O mix with a dowel or something pour into a container of some type like a coleslaw container and use a eye dropper. > > I am the one who makes a mess out of things, and if I can do this, you can too. > > Good luck. > Mike Mike Mike You wouldn't believe the mess I had. I had ballast and glue on everything. I followed the directions of the guys from MODEL RAILROADER to a T and still messed it up. I wet the ballast with everything from water to alcohol (Jack Daniels)and still had ballast clumps all over and no I did not drink the Jack Daniels (maybe I should have)I even managed to get the ballast glue mix in an Athearn F-7.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63265	From: Robert	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carey Probst <s-scale@...> wrote: > > That method won't be available much longer. I heard the EPA was trying > to ban dihydrogen oxide as a dangerous chemical because inhaling too > much of it can cause death.. > > Carey (with tongue planted firmly in cheek) > > Carey Probst > > Member, M.I.T. Educational Council > > S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF > Carey Are you talking about the Sure-Grip dry wallpaper glue?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63266	From: Carey Probst	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement

dihydrogen oxide = water (H2O) Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 1/28/2011 11:15 AM, Robert wrote: > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > Carey Probst <s-scale@...> wrote: > > > > That method won't be available much longer. I heard the EPA was trying > > to ban dihydrogen oxide as a dangerous chemical because inhaling too > > much of it can cause death.. > > > > Carey (with tongue planted firmly in cheek) > > > > Carey Probst > > > > Member, M.I.T. Educational Council > > > > S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF > > > Carey > Are you talking about the Sure-Grip dry wallpaper glue? > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63267	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement

First, have all trains out of the area where are you working. Form the ballast on the track and on the side of track, as I assume you have the track on road bed. Use your fingers and the side of your hand at eh palm, by the pinky finger to help form the ballast, Use a ballast brush too. TAKE YOUR TIME in forming the ballast. Before in switches. Spray the water mixture on the ballast. Use the eye dropper between the ties and on the side. Maybe the material you are using for the ballast is he problem. I used real crushed rock S scale from Classic Trains. Mike From: Robert Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 11:23 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ballast Cement --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Robert, > > Michael’s is a craft store chain. I did not know you lived in such isolation. Just kidding. > > Diluting the glue is easy. > > get a measuring cup say one cup, Put 2 oz. of glue put in 2 oz. of H2O mix with a dowel or something pour into a container of some type like a coleslaw container and use a eye dropper. > > I am the one who makes a mess out of things, and if I can do this, you can too. > > Good luck. > Mike Mike Mike You wouldn't believe the mess I had. I had ballast and glue on everything. I followed the directions of the guys from MODEL RAILROADER to a T and still messed it up. I wet the ballast with everything from water to alcohol (Jack Daniels)and still had ballast clumps all over and no I did not drink the Jack Daniels (maybe I should have)I even managed to get the ballast glue mix in an Athearn F-7. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63268	From: Robert	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carey Probst <s-scale@...> wrote: > > dihydrogen oxide = water (H2O) > > I see lololololol ingesting too much will also rust the pipes lolololololol

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63269	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: BLATENT AD

Putting a BIG BOY on ebay Sat night.... 750 BIN price + post.... Special for anybody on the list , 700.00 Post Paid before I put it up.... Its new..... Look at it on Chucks site.... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63270	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement

On 1/28/2011 11:04 AM, Robert wrote: > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > Carey Probst <s-scale@...> wrote: > > > > dihydrogen oxide = water (H2O) There are a number of websites relating to the effects of DHMO. Here's one of the funnier ones: http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html Every mailing list in the world has probably been alerted to the dangers of DHMO! Actually, I find it quite useful to clean old American Flyer cars if used with the proper cleaning agent and caution! ;-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63271	From: David	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: DHMO Presentation

One of the chemical companies I worked for many years ago visited public schools and gave a presentation detailing all the hazards and horrors associated with DHMO exposure. The presenter did an excellent job and drank bottled water during the entire presentation. By the end he had the entire group ready to write their congressmen to ban DHMO. When he finally let the cat out of the bag you should have seen their faces - priceless! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63272	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: DHMO Presentation

????? I'm confused, but that's really easy to do. DHMO good or bad? In a message dated 1/28/2011 2:54:46 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: One of the chemical companies I worked for many years ago visited public schools and gave a presentation detailing all the hazards and horrors associated with DHMO exposure. The presenter did an excellent job and drank bottled water during the entire presentation. By the end he had the entire group ready to write their congressmen to ban DHMO. When he finally let the cat out of the bag you should have seen their faces - priceless! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63273	From: Brady	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: Stickey Link Couplers

The hair dryer worked well for several cars. I have a couple of stubborn hoppers that required a soldering iron on the bar/pin. They're looser now (but not free floating) so I'll use them in the middle of my unit coal train. Thanks to everyone for their advice Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63274	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement

Robert, What are you using for ballast, as I think the ballast is causing the problem for you. Mike From: Robert Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 11:23 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ballast Cement --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Robert, > > Michael’s is a craft store chain. I did not know you lived in such isolation. Just kidding. > > Diluting the glue is easy. > > get a measuring cup say one cup, Put 2 oz. of glue put in 2 oz. of H2O mix with a dowel or something pour into a container of some type like a coleslaw container and use a eye dropper. > > I am the one who makes a mess out of things, and if I can do this, you can too. > > Good luck. > Mike Mike Mike You wouldn't believe the mess I had. I had ballast and glue on everything. I followed the directions of the guys from MODEL RAILROADER to a T and still messed it up. I wet the ballast with everything from water to alcohol (Jack Daniels)and still had ballast clumps all over and no I did not drink the Jack Daniels (maybe I should have)I even managed to get the ballast glue mix in an Athearn F-7. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63275	From: Howard	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: K5 Pacific I.D.

I purchased a pacific locomotive some time ago. It's a repaint, but has no number on it. It has the spring type brush on the motor, a cast trailing truck and it's a S.I.B. type. Being a novice, i think it may be a 312 made issued possibly 1947. Can anyone give me a little more precise information so i can number it properly. Howard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63276	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: It'll rust your pipes.

----- Original Message ----- From: anormal1@... ????? I'm confused, but that's really easy to do. DHMO good or bad? > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a fancy name for water. Water is H20 (most of us remember that from high school chemistry) -- The molecules consist of 2 hydrogen atoms & one oxygen atom, so it can also be called dihydrogen monoxide. Whether good or bad is a judgment call, but it is essential for life. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63277	From: Robert	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: It'll rust your pipes.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@...> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: anormal1@... > ????? I'm confused, but that's really easy to do. DHMO good or bad? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a fancy name for water. Water is H20 (most of us remember that from > high school chemistry) -- The molecules consist of 2 hydrogen atoms & one > oxygen atom, so it can also be called dihydrogen monoxide. > > Whether good or bad is a judgment call, but it is essential for life. > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich > Can't dispute that it is essential. I just feel stupid that I did not know that.....guess I was too busy being a sailor then a soldier to learn anything but how to stay alive on a battlefield lololol.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63278	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: K5 Pacific I.D.

Hi Howard,                       It is not a 1947 312.  That would be a smoke in tender.  If it has link coupler trucks on the tender it is most likely a 312 or a 312AC.  If it has a speaker in the tendr it may be a 315.  If it has knuckle trucks on the tender it could be a 316 or a 313.                                                         Tom Seccia                                                       --- On Fri, 1/28/11, Howard <papehoward@...> wrote: From: Howard <papehoward@...> Subject: [S-Trains] K5 Pacific I.D. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 7:46 PM   I purchased a pacific locomotive some time ago. It's a repaint, but has no number on it. It has the spring type brush on the motor, a cast trailing truck and it's a S.I.B. type. Being a novice, i think it may be a 312 made issued possibly 1947. Can anyone give me a little more precise information so i can number it properly. Howard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63279	From: Robert	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Robert, > > What are you using for ballast, as I think the ballast is causing the problem for you. > > Mike Kind of ironic you should ask that. I had been using Woodland Scenics ballast bought in a hobby shop so I could get the proper size. I did note that there was a bit of dust in the package when I opened it but that should have made no difference. At one point I was thinking of putting the ballast in a flour sifter and rinsing it off to get rid of any dust then let it air dry thoroughly but decided against that idea so just started putting it down.The ballast I put down with the Woodland Scenics dry powder ballast cement was so much easier and less messy that there was no comparison. I recently found a ballast made in Australia that you order by scale and/or size. If you send a sample then he will custom make it for you.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63280	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/28/2011
Subject: BIG BOY

Its sold..... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63281	From: David	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Ballast

Hi All, I bought the ballast I used at a train show. It was in a zip-lock bag, so it could have been any brand. It was a little dusty so I washed it before putting it in the Aileen's Tacky Glue mixture. Then I placed it on the oil depot. That was back in 2002 and none of the ballast has come loose even after a move from Atlanta to Houston. When I say this glue mixture sticks I'm not kidding! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63282	From: gettysburg9	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Marx Bubbling tower bulb?

Have had a Marx Bubbling Tower forever. It used to bubble like crazy. Lately, it does nothing. Cannot remember if I replaced the bulb along the way. Regardless, does anyone know the proper number bulb to get this doing its thing once again. Don't want to melt the bottom by putting the wrong bulb in. Thanks. Paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63283	From: Edward	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Possible FAKE or Real thing.........

Thats Listed as Ebay .. 140506346020

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63284	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: DHMO Presentation

Before I retired, I did much the same (with exactly the same results) when I used the information from www.DMHO.org as in introduction to classes I gave on radiation safety. My intent was to show how easily one can be mislead by 'true" statements when one isn't given ALL the facts. DMHO.org is a well done parody of fear-mongering websites. Jerry F. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 2:21 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] DHMO Presentation One of the chemical companies I worked for many years ago visited public schools and gave a presentation detailing all the hazards and horrors associated with DHMO exposure. The presenter did an excellent job and drank bottled water during the entire presentation. By the end he had the entire group ready to write their congressmen to ban DHMO. When he finally let the cat out of the bag you should have seen their faces - priceless! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63285	From: Edward	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Possible FAKE or Real thing.........

Check out this for being a possible good Knockoff......Open for disscusion........I wouldnt lay out the CA$h.......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63286	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: K5 Pacific I.D.

If it has a feedwater it is most likely a 293 Steve SnSTrains In a message dated 1/28/2011 9:15:46 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, trainsandhobbies@... writes: Hi Howard, It is not a 1947 312. That would be a smoke in tender. If it has link coupler trucks on the tender it is most likely a 312 or a 312AC. If it has a speaker in the tendr it may be a 315. If it has knuckle trucks on the tender it could be a 316 or a 313. Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 1/28/11, Howard <_papehoward@..._ (mailto:papehoward@...) > wrote: From: Howard <_papehoward@..._ (mailto:papehoward@...) > Subject: [S-Trains] K5 Pacific I.D. To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 7:46 PM I purchased a pacific locomotive some time ago. It's a repaint, but has no number on it. It has the spring type brush on the motor, a cast trailing truck and it's a S.I.B. type. Being a novice, i think it may be a 312 made issued possibly 1947. Can anyone give me a little more precise information so i can number it properly. Howard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63287	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: Possible FAKE or Real thing.........

Ed, That is the white end version of this car. I have purchased items from this seller. Most likely it is real. In LN condition the price is good, as there is no need for him to give away a very rare item. In time someone will buy it. I had a 20 year career in sales. There is a saying you can hold a stick on the sidewalk for sale and someday someone will buy it. Okay, a little strange, but if you don’t know the history of the car, now you know. Mike From: Edward Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 4:10 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Possible FAKE or Real thing......... Check out this for being a possible good Knockoff......Open for disscusion........I wouldnt lay out the CA$h....... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63288	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: BIG BOY

Bob. Good for you to sell it possibly to someone on the list and avoid the EBay fees. Mike From: Robert Conner Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:29 AM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] BIG BOY Its sold..... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63289	From: Robert Conner	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: BIG BOY

Mike.... I did but I wanted it to have a good home!!!! Going to downsize a lot of stuff soon.... Have over 100 boxed sets.... Tons of stuff!!!! Bob --- On Sat, 1/29/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] BIG BOY To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 10:16 AM   Bob. Good for you to sell it possibly to someone on the list and avoid the EBay fees. Mike From: Robert Conner Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:29 AM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] BIG BOY Its sold..... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63290	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement

Robert, You are in Australia? I just learn last month I have roots, family in Australia, as I live in MD and most of my family is in NY. Can you try to test some ballast without washing it and put some glue down like the 50/50. I would send a email to Woodland to let them know what is happening with the ballast and see what they say. They are very good in getting back to you. If you need a sample of my ballast for a size, if you think you might do some custom ballast. Again, the ballast from Classic Trains is great, but then the postage might be the killer to Australia. Also, is the wash ballast really really really dry, I am sure you are spreading it out to dry, might take days to dry. Keep us informed. Mike From: Robert Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 11:16 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ballast Cement --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Robert, > > What are you using for ballast, as I think the ballast is causing the problem for you. > > Mike Kind of ironic you should ask that. I had been using Woodland Scenics ballast bought in a hobby shop so I could get the proper size. I did note that there was a bit of dust in the package when I opened it but that should have made no difference. At one point I was thinking of putting the ballast in a flour sifter and rinsing it off to get rid of any dust then let it air dry thoroughly but decided against that idea so just started putting it down.The ballast I put down with the Woodland Scenics dry powder ballast cement was so much easier and less messy that there was no comparison. I recently found a ballast made in Australia that you order by scale and/or size. If you send a sample then he will custom make it for you. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63291	From: Timboy	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Hi Ladies: I am progressing on my American Flyer build. If anyone would like to see an update, please feel free to visit: [url]http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/%5b/url] Regards, Timboy, an S Gauge Enthusiast

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63292	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: K5 Pacific I.D.

Surprized at you knowledgable people. It is much more likely to be a 1946/7 310 which did not have smoke in the tender and is a reasonably common (for 1947) loco. . Alistair On Sat 29/01/11 3:38 PM , boss31@... sent: If it has a feedwater it is most likely a 293 Steve SnSTrains In a message dated 1/28/2011 9:15:46 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, trainsandhobbies@... [1] writes: Hi Howard, It is not a 1947 312. That would be a smoke in tender. If it has link coupler trucks on the tender it is most likely a 312 or a 312AC. If it has a speaker in the tendr it may be a 315. If it has knuckle trucks on the tender it could be a 316 or a 313. Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 1/28/11, Howard wrote: From: Howard Subject: [S-Trains] K5 Pacific I.D. To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [6]_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [7]) Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 7:46 PM I purchased a pacific locomotive some time ago. It's a repaint, but has no number on it. It has the spring type brush on the motor, a cast trailing truck and it's a S.I.B. type. Being a novice, i think it may be a 312 made issued possibly 1947. Can anyone give me a little more precise information so i can number it properly. Howard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:trainsandhobbies@... [2] mailto:_papehoward@... [3] mailto:papehoward@... [4] mailto:_papehoward@... [5] mailto:papehoward@... [6] mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [7] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [8] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20K5%20Pacific%20I.D. [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvc2Rqb3BrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzI4NgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTYzMTIzODg-?act=reply&messageNum=63286 [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/63275;_ylc=X3oDMTM0NzI2Z3FmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzI4NgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTYzMTIzODgEdHBjSWQDNjMyNzU- [11] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63293	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement

Mike, No I don't live in Australia but I did find a maker of ballast who is in Australia. http://www.chucksballast.com/ Chuck said he can custom blend ballast in most any size and color combination anyone might need. I model NP so I might just have him make some up for me. NP used a reddish gray ballast on their mainline and cinders ( at least in Missoula) in yards. I'm not doing any modeling at present but plan on starting a small (if 8X16 can be considered small) portable S scale layout in the near future. I am waiting on the VA ( yeah a Vietnam vet in his hurry-up- and-wait mode) to grant me 100% disability on my heart. Back in June in a 5 day period I had 3 heart attacks. They have determined that heart problems are related to Agent Orange. Once that happens we are moving to the Bitterroot Valley to the town of Darby which is South of Hamilto where Derrell Poole moved his 7th Street Shops. That of course will be after we buy the land we are negotiating for AND we get a new Harley. When we get moved I am going to build a special shed for the railroad and start an S scale club. I'll keep all posted in the group. Bob To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mlmarmer@... Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 10:22:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ballast Cement Robert, You are in Australia? I just learn last month I have roots, family in Australia, as I live in MD and most of my family is in NY. Can you try to test some ballast without washing it and put some glue down like the 50/50. I would send a email to Woodland to let them know what is happening with the ballast and see what they say. They are very good in getting back to you. If you need a sample of my ballast for a size, if you think you might do some custom ballast. Again, the ballast from Classic Trains is great, but then the postage might be the killer to Australia. Also, is the wash ballast really really really dry, I am sure you are spreading it out to dry, might take days to dry. Keep us informed. Mike From: Robert Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 11:16 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ballast Cement --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Robert, > > What are you using for ballast, as I think the ballast is causing the problem for you. > > Mike Kind of ironic you should ask that. I had been using Woodland Scenics ballast bought in a hobby shop so I could get the proper size. I did note that there was a bit of dust in the package when I opened it but that should have made no difference. At one point I was thinking of putting the ballast in a flour sifter and rinsing it off to get rid of any dust then let it air dry thoroughly but decided against that idea so just started putting it down.The ballast I put down with the Woodland Scenics dry powder ballast cement was so much easier and less messy that there was no comparison. I recently found a ballast made in Australia that you order by scale and/or size. If you send a sample then he will custom make it for you. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63294	From: Mike	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Best way to deak with stripped screws on plastic shells?

I have a couple of plastic A/F engine shells where the mounting screws for the motor assembly are stripped. Other than trying a slightly larger screw does anyone have a good suggestion for repairing/rebuilding the mounting hole with some type of filler?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63295	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: BIG BOY

Bob, Hopefully it is but we can not control what a new owner does with things we sell. Good for you on the downsizing and hopefully you are handling it well, as I know it is hard to part with things, but it comes a time we us all do this. Oh, Comes A Time, that is a song. Can’t mention by who. Google it. O! Mike From: Robert Conner Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 10:26 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] BIG BOY Mike.... I did but I wanted it to have a good home!!!! Going to downsize a lot of stuff soon.... Have over 100 boxed sets.... Tons of stuff!!!! Bob --- On Sat, 1/29/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] BIG BOY To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 10:16 AM Bob. Good for you to sell it possibly to someone on the list and avoid the EBay fees. Mike From: Robert Conner Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:29 AM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] BIG BOY Its sold..... Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63296	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: Ballast Cement

Robert, Okay for a minute I thought your where and that is fine if so. Contact Nick at www.classictrains.com as he might be able to do something for you too. Postage would be less. He makes a light grey, light grey, and a black as he has this under track. , He sent me samples which I have downstairs of some other colors and I think a red in this. Thanks for your service for our country. I am sure you went thought hell, if I can say that and a lot of this is still with you. I hope you have or will see the Viet Nam Memorial Wall in DC someday. Very moving, as I have been there twice and I did not serve, as I was 20 in 1975 when it was all over, but it is very difficult for me to walk here and see all the things left behind and the people get name rubs from the wall. I wish you the best on your disability, as I am disable myself but not from life. Mainly from my back, 3 surgeries need another one. I just had a surgery to repair two torn muscles in my knee and in 2 weeks a knee replacement on the other. I have a list of things due to me in the past 10 years. I am a walking medical mess. LOL Best to you and contact Nick to see if they make the same color you want. His ballast is S scale crushed rock. Real nice material. Mike From: Robert Lampe Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 3:16 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Ballast Cement Mike, No I don't live in Australia but I did find a maker of ballast who is in Australia. http://www.chucksballast.com/ Chuck said he can custom blend ballast in most any size and color combination anyone might need. I model NP so I might just have him make some up for me. NP used a reddish gray ballast on their mainline and cinders ( at least in Missoula) in yards. I'm not doing any modeling at present but plan on starting a small (if 8X16 can be considered small) portable S scale layout in the near future. I am waiting on the VA ( yeah a Vietnam vet in his hurry-up- and-wait mode) to grant me 100% disability on my heart. Back in June in a 5 day period I had 3 heart attacks. They have determined that heart problems are related to Agent Orange. Once that happens we are moving to the Bitterroot Valley to the town of Darby which is South of Hamilto where Derrell Poole moved his 7th Street Shops. That of course will be after we buy the land we are negotiating for AND we get a new Harley. When we get moved I am going to build a special shed for the railroad and start an S scale club. I'll keep all posted in the group. Bob To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com From: mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 10:22:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Ballast Cement Robert, You are in Australia? I just learn last month I have roots, family in Australia, as I live in MD and most of my family is in NY. Can you try to test some ballast without washing it and put some glue down like the 50/50. I would send a email to Woodland to let them know what is happening with the ballast and see what they say. They are very good in getting back to you. If you need a sample of my ballast for a size, if you think you might do some custom ballast. Again, the ballast from Classic Trains is great, but then the postage might be the killer to Australia. Also, is the wash ballast really really really dry, I am sure you are spreading it out to dry, might take days to dry. Keep us informed. Mike From: Robert Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 11:16 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Ballast Cement --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Robert, > > What are you using for ballast, as I think the ballast is causing the problem for you. > > Mike Kind of ironic you should ask that. I had been using Woodland Scenics ballast bought in a hobby shop so I could get the proper size. I did note that there was a bit of dust in the package when I opened it but that should have made no difference. At one point I was thinking of putting the ballast in a flour sifter and rinsing it off to get rid of any dust then let it air dry thoroughly but decided against that idea so just started putting it down.The ballast I put down with the Woodland Scenics dry powder ballast cement was so much easier and less messy that there was no comparison. I recently found a ballast made in Australia that you order by scale and/or size. If you send a sample then he will custom make it for you. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63297	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: Best way to deal with stripped screws on plastic shells?

Hi Mike.  I use J B Weld that you can get at Home Depot.  The epoxy is made with 2 tubes of mixture.  One is labeled Hardener and the other called Steel.  Once mixed you apply to the screw holes.  You have to work fast, because the mixture hardens rather quickly.  One tip is to put a toothpick in the center of the material while it hardens.  Coat the toothpick with vaseline or oil.  The hole left by the toothpick will make it easy to replace a regular screw in the repaired hole.  Also, you can use JB Weld to rebuild the outside of the screw molding.  Hope this helps. Bob     ________________________________ From: Mike <ohioflyer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, January 29, 2011 3:31:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Best way to deak with stripped screws on plastic shells?   I have a couple of plastic A/F engine shells where the mounting screws for the motor assembly are stripped. Other than trying a slightly larger screw does anyone have a good suggestion for repairing/rebuilding the mounting hole with some type of filler? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63298	From: David	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: Best way to deal with stripped screws on plastic shells?

Hi Mike, You can see how I repair broken engine mounts at this gallery: http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album126 I haven't found time to add comments to all of the photos, but the repair is made using JB Weld and a plastic straw to repair the mounting post. Then it is drilled and a self tapping screw is used to set the threads. It's an easy repair! Good luck. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <ohioflyer@...> wrote: > > I have a couple of plastic A/F engine shells where the mounting screws for the motor assembly are stripped. Other than trying a slightly larger screw does anyone have a good suggestion for repairing/rebuilding the mounting hole with some type of filler? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63299	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: Best way to deal with stripped screws on plastic shells?

Years ago (the 60's) when I got into the slot car craze I got a slot car kit that had metal inserts that went into lugs that looked like screw holes or lugs. You may be able to find something similar to fit in these locomotives. Another thought may be to modify some T-nuts the same size as the screws or use screws that fit the T-nuts then epoxy the t-nuts in place. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: ohioflyer@... Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 21:31:31 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Best way to deak with stripped screws on plastic shells? I have a couple of plastic A/F engine shells where the mounting screws for the motor assembly are stripped. Other than trying a slightly larger screw does anyone have a good suggestion for repairing/rebuilding the mounting hole with some type of filler? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63300	From: George Cohn	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: Best way to deal with stripped screws on plastic shells?

On 1/29/2011 3:35 PM, Bob Iannacone wrote: > Hi Mike. I use J B Weld that you can get at Home Depot. The epoxy is > made with 2 tubes of mixture. Another product that I use, and think is better than JB Weld, is called Devcon 220 Plastic Welder. I get it at the Autozone store up the street but even merchants on Amazon carry it. It's a two part as well but it literally welds plastic as well as being a filler material. It's white but I usually touch up with some black paint and you never know the part was broken. You use it in small amounts because it only has about a 5 minute open time before it sets up. You can drill and tap the finished repair as needed. It's commonly sold to repair cracks in plastic automobile radiators and if it can do that, you know it will hold together cracked and broken AF parts! ;-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63301	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Tracks Ahead

Seasons 5-7 are on-line http://www.mptv.org/local_shows/past_episodes/?s=9 Select the season you want and click SUBMIT Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63302	From: Mike	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: Best way to deal with stripped screws on plastic shells?

Gentlemen, Thanks for all the replies. I had already stopped and picked up some JB weld earlier today, glad to see I was thinking along the right lines. I'll also check out the Devcon 220 as there is an Autozone close by. I liked the idea of epoxying a nut too. Man... you guys are good! Thanks again... I've learned a ton of stuff since I've been part of this group. Regards, Mike --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: > > On 1/29/2011 3:35 PM, Bob Iannacone wrote: > > Hi Mike. I use J B Weld that you can get at Home Depot. The epoxy is > > made with 2 tubes of mixture. > > Another product that I use, and think is better than JB Weld, is called > Devcon 220 Plastic Welder. I get it at the Autozone store up the street > but even merchants on Amazon carry it. > > It's a two part as well but it literally welds plastic as well as being > a filler material. It's white but I usually touch up with some black > paint and you never know the part was broken. > > You use it in small amounts because it only has about a 5 minute open > time before it sets up. You can drill and tap the finished repair as > needed. > > It's commonly sold to repair cracks in plastic automobile radiators and > if it can do that, you know it will hold together cracked and broken AF > parts! ;-) > > George Cohn >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63303	From: mike boyd	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: Best way to deal with stripped screws on plastic shells?

Hello all, another simple fix for stripped screws in plastic is use a longer, same size screw providing screw hole landing has not cracked and disappeared. You might have to drill a bit but it works. Good luck --- On Sat, 1/29/11, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: > From: George Cohn <gwcohn@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Best way to deal with stripped screws on plastic shells? > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 3:45 PM > On 1/29/2011 3:35 PM, Bob Iannacone > wrote: > > Hi Mike.  I use J B Weld that you can get at Home > Depot.  The epoxy is > > made with 2 tubes of mixture. > > Another product that I use, and think is better than JB > Weld, is called > Devcon 220 Plastic Welder.  I get it at the Autozone > store up the street > but even merchants on Amazon carry it. > > It's a two part as well but it literally welds plastic as > well as being > a filler material.  It's white but I usually touch up > with some black > paint and you never know the part was broken. > > You use it in small amounts because it only has about a 5 > minute open > time before it sets up.  You can drill and tap the > finished repair as > needed. > > It's commonly sold to repair cracks in plastic automobile > radiators and > if it can do that, you know it will hold together cracked > and broken AF > parts!  ;-) > > George Cohn > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     S-Trains-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63304	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Penn State S Helper Car

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&autorefresh=true&hash=item3a62959fbf&item=250762076095&nma=true&pt=Model_RR_Trains&rt=nc&si=KbRTT6R9S60921GB8rCox%252FRYGek%253D Barry Jamison emailed me about this car, as he knew that Linda loves Penn State Crap err stuff. I always get hate mail when I call Penn State stuff crap. Alright, so they beat U of MD every time they played football except once and I think the entire state of MD went to Penn State with all the stuff I see. Anyway, Barry might of wanted to bid on this, but he was very thoughtful to let me know so I could bid on it for Linda. And I won. So, now I have something to go with my U of MD box car I made. LOL Maybe my U of MD box car can smash it at a switch. No, just kidding. I wonder if Don Thompson knows this was made out of one of his cars. He probably wants a Ohio State car. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63305	From: Mike	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: Best way to deal with stripped screws on plastic shells?

Gentlemen, Thanks for your suggestions and ideas... appreciate the assistance. I've learned, and continue to learn a lot from this group. Regards, Mike V --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: > > On 1/29/2011 3:35 PM, Bob Iannacone wrote: > > Hi Mike. I use J B Weld that you can get at Home Depot. The epoxy is > > made with 2 tubes of mixture. > > Another product that I use, and think is better than JB Weld, is called > Devcon 220 Plastic Welder. I get it at the Autozone store up the street > but even merchants on Amazon carry it. > > It's a two part as well but it literally welds plastic as well as being > a filler material. It's white but I usually touch up with some black > paint and you never know the part was broken. > > You use it in small amounts because it only has about a 5 minute open > time before it sets up. You can drill and tap the finished repair as > needed. > > It's commonly sold to repair cracks in plastic automobile radiators and > if it can do that, you know it will hold together cracked and broken AF > parts! ;-) > > George Cohn >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63306	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: K5 Pacific I.D.

Does it have brass button contacts underneath the engine as in 3rd rail pick ups , even though it is 2 rail ? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: alizoo@... Sender: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 06:28:00 To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] K5 Pacific I.D. Surprized at you knowledgable people. It is much more likely to be a 1946/7 310 which did not have smoke in the tender and is a reasonably common (for 1947) loco. . Alistair On Sat 29/01/11 3:38 PM , boss31@... sent: If it has a feedwater it is most likely a 293 Steve SnSTrains In a message dated 1/28/2011 9:15:46 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, trainsandhobbies@... [1] writes: Hi Howard, It is not a 1947 312. That would be a smoke in tender. If it has link coupler trucks on the tender it is most likely a 312 or a 312AC. If it has a speaker in the tendr it may be a 315. If it has knuckle trucks on the tender it could be a 316 or a 313. Tom Seccia --- On Fri, 1/28/11, Howard wrote: From: Howard Subject: [S-Trains] K5 Pacific I.D. To:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [6]_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [7]) Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 7:46 PM I purchased a pacific locomotive some time ago. It's a repaint, but has no number on it. It has the spring type brush on the motor, a cast trailing truck and it's a S.I.B. type. Being a novice, i think it may be a 312 made issued possibly 1947. Can anyone give me a little more precise information so i can number it properly. Howard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:trainsandhobbies@... [2] mailto:_papehoward@... [3] mailto:papehoward@... [4] mailto:_papehoward@... [5] mailto:papehoward@... [6] mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [7] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [8] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20K5%20Pacific%20I.D. [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvc2Rqb3BrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzI4NgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTYzMTIzODg-?act=reply&messageNum=63286 [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/63275;_ylc=X3oDMTM0NzI2Z3FmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzI4NgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTYzMTIzODgEdHBjSWQDNjMyNzU- [11] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63307	From: Timboy	Date: 1/29/2011
Subject: Re: Tracks Ahead

Brady, Nice try, but I can't find any clickable link on that link to either show or download any of the Tracks Ahead videos. I have them all on tape, and I watch them while I am napping. I wanted to follow your link to see if I could download them onto my hard drive. Silly me... Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63308	From: MikeS	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Tim - So, with your modifications, how reliably do the link couplers stay coupled? Filing out that groove seems very clever. Mike Spanier --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > Hi Ladies: > > I am progressing on my American Flyer build. If anyone would like to see an update, please feel free to visit: > > [url]http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/%5b/url] > > Regards, > > Timboy, an S Gauge Enthusiast >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63309	From: johntech	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: Tracks Ahead

If you go on line to YouTube and search for Tracks Ahead you will find these videos then get yourself the program called YouTube Downloader (for free) and download any YouTube videos you want. The program also converts the downloaded videos to to Windows Media player so you can save them to cds or dvds and keep them John > Seasons 5-7 are on-line > > http://www.mptv.org/local_shows/past_episodes/?s=9 > > Select the season you want and click SUBMIT > > > > Brady Burdge > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63310	From: Roy Inman	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: Tracks Ahead

Worked fine for me. Did you paste the entire link? Roy on 1/29/11 9:18 PM, Timboy at timstrains2000@... wrote: > > > > > > Brady, > > Nice try, but I can't find any clickable link on that link to either show or > download any of the Tracks Ahead videos. I have them all on tape, and I watch > them while I am napping. I wanted to follow your link to see if I could > download them onto my hard drive. Silly me... > > Regards, > Timboy > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63311	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: Tracks Ahead

Timboy, You have to use the pulldown to select the season, then click on submit They're hosted on YouTube, so a search there should bring them up Brady

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63312	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: Tracks Ahead

It worked fine for me. You just have to select a season and if it is season 5-7, you will get a clickable link in the last column under "view episode." Dale On 1/29/2011 7:18 PM, Timboy wrote: > > Brady, > > Nice try, but I can't find any clickable link on that link to either > show or download any of the Tracks Ahead videos. I have them all on > tape, and I watch them while I am napping. I wanted to follow your > link to see if I could download them onto my hard drive. Silly me... > > Regards, > Timboy > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63313	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Looking good To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: timstrains2000@... Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:15:17 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Building a large AF layout Hi Ladies: I am progressing on my American Flyer build. If anyone would like to see an update, please feel free to visit: [url]http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/%5b/url] Regards, Timboy, an S Gauge Enthusiast [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63314	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: Tracks Ahead

Tim, Not Brady doing or fault. but season 5 and up have video links. Mike From: Timboy Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 10:18 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Tracks Ahead Brady, Nice try, but I can't find any clickable link on that link to either show or download any of the Tracks Ahead videos. I have them all on tape, and I watch them while I am napping. I wanted to follow your link to see if I could download them onto my hard drive. Silly me... Regards, Timboy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63315	From: Carey Probst	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: Best way to deal with stripped screws on plastic shells?

Not sure what size the screw is but in the automotive world Helicoil is the way to go. From what I can tell though the smallest they make is 4-40. http://www.emhart-vic.com/emhart2/sc_app/default.asp?code=public_view Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 1/29/2011 4:31 PM, Mike wrote: > > I have a couple of plastic A/F engine shells where the mounting screws > for the motor assembly are stripped. Other than trying a slightly > larger screw does anyone have a good suggestion for > repairing/rebuilding the mounting hole with some type of filler? > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63316	From: Walter Jopke	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: K5 Pacific I.D.

Howard, Here is the complete scoop: I can't tell from your posting whether the tender is attached so two different sets of answers: Tender Attached 1) If it has a knuckle coupler then it would be a 313, 316 or 21115. The 316 and 21115 would have a whistle speaker in the tender, the 313 would not. The 316 will have a 4 position E unit in the tender. The 21115 will have a 2 position E unit mounted at the back of the boiler cab. 2) If the tender is link coupler then, look at the link. There are 3 possibilities: a) link coupler without any weight attached. Look at where the link attaches to the tender sheet metal truck. If the plastic thins down, then the K5 is either a 310 or 312 from 1946. Other give-aways for 1946. Brass buttons on boiler, smoke in tender for 312, no smoke for 310 but hole in top of tender shell for smoke fluid filler present, tender lettered Pennsylvania. b) link coupler without any weight attached but plastic on link coupler does not thin down where it is attached to the tender sheet metal truck. Then the loco is a 310 or 312 from 1947. Again 312 will be smoke in tender and 310 will be no smoke. Other give-aways for 1947 (and later years). No brass buttons on boiler, tender lettered American Flyer Lines. There are some rare variations listed which mix the brass buttons and smoke in boiler versus tender but the above will cover 99% of the units manufactured. c) link coupler with brass weights. These will all be 312, 312AC, 314AW or 315 all manufactured after 1947. These will all have smoke in boiler. It would pretty much be impossible to tell a 312 from a 312AC. The 314AW, available only in 1952, will have the whistle in the tender (not the speaker but rather the air driven whistle for which AF lost a patent suit with Lionel). The 315 has the whistle speaker in the tender. The earlier years will have a brass weight on the link coupler, the later years will have a black painted weight. All tenders will be lettered American Flyer Lines. No Tender Attached 1946 and 1947: 310 and 312 will have reverse in boiler (slot in top of boiler to accommodate E unit lever) and brass buttons on bottom. Look for brass tube leading from smoke stack with or without rubber tubing leading towards tender. No brass tube would tend to indicate 310. Brass tube would tend to indicate 312. This might not be exactly correct because Gilbert may have made identical setups for both and simply left off the rubber tubing for the 310. 1948 and later years with smoke in boiler: If slot still present in top of boiler then it would probably be a 1948 or 1949 312. In later years, as early boiler inventory was used up, the boiler top slot was removed. If there is no slot at the top of the boiler then it is pretty much impossible to tell the link versions apart (312, 314AW, 315). If the boiler has not had the paint totally stripped, then the knuckle versions (313, 316, 21115) should show white paint on the inside of the smoke stack and a red plastic smoke fluid filler tube. Hope this helps. Walt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63317	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: Tracks Ahead

Also try this http://www.mptv.org/video/ -----Original Message----- From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:37 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Tracks Ahead Brady, Nice try, but I can't find any clickable link on that link to either show or download any of the Tracks Ahead videos. I have them all on tape, and I watch them while I am napping. I wanted to follow your link to see if I could download them onto my hard drive. Silly me... Regards, Timboy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63318	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: K5 Pacific I.D.

Slight correction - the late 1946 locos and early 47 may just have two holes where the buttons were intended to be fitted. Alistair On Mon 31/01/11 12:30 AM , "Walter Jopke" sscale@... sent: Howard, Here is the complete scoop: I can't tell from your posting whether the tender is attached so two different sets of answers: Tender Attached 1) If it has a knuckle coupler then it would be a 313, 316 or 21115. The 316 and 21115 would have a whistle speaker in the tender, the 313 would not. The 316 will have a 4 position E unit in the tender. The 21115 will have a 2 position E unit mounted at the back of the boiler cab. 2) If the tender is link coupler then, look at the link. There are 3 possibilities: a) link coupler without any weight attached. Look at where the link attaches to the tender sheet metal truck. If the plastic thins down, then the K5 is either a 310 or 312 from 1946. Other give-aways for 1946. Brass buttons on boiler, smoke in tender for 312, no smoke for 310 but hole in top of tender shell for smoke fluid filler present, tender lettered Pennsylvania. b) link coupler without any weight attached but plastic on link coupler does not thin down where it is attached to the tender sheet metal truck. Then the loco is a 310 or 312 from 1947. Again 312 will be smoke in tender and 310 will be no smoke. Other give-aways for 1947 (and later years). No brass buttons on boiler, tender lettered American Flyer Lines. There are some rare variations listed which mix the brass buttons and smoke in boiler versus tender but the above will cover 99% of the units manufactured. c) link coupler with brass weights. These will all be 312, 312AC, 314AW or 315 all manufactured after 1947. These will all have smoke in boiler. It would pretty much be impossible to tell a 312 from a 312AC. The 314AW, available only in 1952, will have the whistle in the tender (not the speaker but rather the air driven whistle for which AF lost a patent suit with Lionel). The 315 has the whistle speaker in the tender. The earlier years will have a brass weight on the link coupler, the later years will have a black painted weight. All tenders will be lettered American Flyer Lines. No Tender Attached 1946 and 1947: 310 and 312 will have reverse in boiler (slot in top of boiler to accommodate E unit lever) and brass buttons on bottom. Look for brass tube leading from smoke stack with or without rubber tubing leading towards tender. No brass tube would tend to indicate 310. Brass tube would tend to indicate 312. This might not be exactly correct because Gilbert may have made identical setups for both and simply left off the rubber tubing for the 310. 1948 and later years with smoke in boiler: If slot still present in top of boiler then it would probably be a 1948 or 1949 312. In later years, as early boiler inventory was used up, the boiler top slot was removed. If there is no slot at the top of the boiler then it is pretty much impossible to tell the link versions apart (312, 314AW, 315). If the boiler has not had the paint totally stripped, then the knuckle versions (313, 316, 21115) should show white paint on the inside of the smoke stack and a red plastic smoke fluid filler tube. Hope this helps. Walt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20K5%20Pacific%20I.D. [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvODBnZmlnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzMxNgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTY0MDQyMzY-?act=reply&messageNum=63316 [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/63275;_ylc=X3oDMTM0aG9lY3JuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzMxNgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTY0MDQyMzYEdHBjSWQDNjMyNzU- [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63319	From: Randall Griggs	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: Best way to deal with stripped screws on plastic shells?

Here's yet another way I've used a number of times in the past.  I use 2-component, 5-minute epoxy (similar to J B Weld, I guess); and, the original screw (if you still have it).  First I gently heat the screw (holding it's head carefully with some needle-nosed pliers) with a small propane torch - a candle can also work.  Then hold the hot end of the screw in some beeswax (my Dad was a beekeeper most of his life, so I know a little bit about beeswax).  The beeswax will melt into the threads.  You can then re-heat the screw after the initial coating of beeswax, then flick it (making sure you've got a good hold of it in the pliers) to minimize the amount of beeswax that coats the screw.  If it's done right, you won't even see the coating of beeswax on the screw. After the screw cools down to normal, room temperature you can now use it to make its own threads.  Just place the beeswax coated screw into its screw hole with just enough epoxy to fill whatever voids or space that's needed.  I allow about 24 hours total epoxy cure time, then just unscrew the beeswax screw from it's new, self-threaded hole.  The beeswax makes an excellent thread 'mold-release' and also lubricates the screw when you replace it. I think beeswax will work better than paraffin, but you can try THAT if you don't have any beeswax candles laying around.  It surely beats having to try to cut new threads into a repaired plastic part.  And, it works equally well even if you have to replace most or all of a plastic stud that may be missing.  Just make sure that the screw you use is coated in beeswax EVERYWHERE it may come in contact with the epoxy, including underneath the screw head. Works for me!  Give it a try! Regards, Randy Griggs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63320	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Classic AF Trains Available

If you're missing American Flyer trains you thought you were getting during the Holidays, check out my website, www.americanflyertrains4u.com  I've added additional pieces such as Pacific's 312, 312AC, and a 293.  Also, have Atlantic's 303 and 307.  If you're looking for an excellent Gilbert Milk Car, I've got that too.  Priced at $115, includes the car, repro button, track connector and 4 milk cans.  No stand or box.   All equipment is Very Good to Excellent.  Have a great day and week ahead. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63321	From: Timboy	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Hey everyone! I just had my first clean run-through this afternoon. No derailments of any kind and no break-aways! WOO-HOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! I added 6 grams of weight to the front pilot on my linker K5 and made some adjustments to some out-of-gauge track sections. Next up will be to add additional drop-down feeder wires to even out the track voltage a little better. If you are new to this forum or this thread, you can access my blog at: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ I usually do not post pics of my progress on this forum. I belong to 4 S-Gauge forums. It takes dedication to keep my blog site updated with pics and details. I simply do not want to take the time to post all the info and pics on each and every forum. Instead, I keep my blog site updated and tease you with a link to it here. Sorry, but I really must stick to that - for the most part. Thanks for understanding. Oh, and thanks to all who responded about Tracks Ahead! Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63322	From: John Degnan	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: STILL HUNTING : FOX Trucks

Nearly a full year later, and I'm still hunting some of the old Trainstuff (Pre-SHS) Fox Trucks. There were TWO versions of these trucks produced - a leaf spring version and a non-leaf spring version. I would like top have one of each version. Surely someone out there has a pair or two of these that they can stand to part with. Please contact me OFF group if you can help. Thanks. John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63323	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/30/2011, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 63324	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: K5 Pacific I.D.

Walt, GREAT Job. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Walter Jopke" <sscale@...> Sender: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 09:00:32 To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: K5 Pacific I.D. Howard, Here is the complete scoop: I can't tell from your posting whether the tender is attached so two different sets of answers: Tender Attached 1) If it has a knuckle coupler then it would be a 313, 316 or 21115. The 316 and 21115 would have a whistle speaker in the tender, the 313 would not. The 316 will have a 4 position E unit in the tender. The 21115 will have a 2 position E unit mounted at the back of the boiler cab. 2) If the tender is link coupler then, look at the link. There are 3 possibilities: a) link coupler without any weight attached. Look at where the link attaches to the tender sheet metal truck. If the plastic thins down, then the K5 is either a 310 or 312 from 1946. Other give-aways for 1946. Brass buttons on boiler, smoke in tender for 312, no smoke for 310 but hole in top of tender shell for smoke fluid filler present, tender lettered Pennsylvania. b) link coupler without any weight attached but plastic on link coupler does not thin down where it is attached to the tender sheet metal truck. Then the loco is a 310 or 312 from 1947. Again 312 will be smoke in tender and 310 will be no smoke. Other give-aways for 1947 (and later years). No brass buttons on boiler, tender lettered American Flyer Lines. There are some rare variations listed which mix the brass buttons and smoke in boiler versus tender but the above will cover 99% of the units manufactured. c) link coupler with brass weights. These will all be 312, 312AC, 314AW or 315 all manufactured after 1947. These will all have smoke in boiler. It would pretty much be impossible to tell a 312 from a 312AC. The 314AW, available only in 1952, will have the whistle in the tender (not the speaker but rather the air driven whistle for which AF lost a patent suit with Lionel). The 315 has the whistle speaker in the tender. The earlier years will have a brass weight on the link coupler, the later years will have a black painted weight. All tenders will be lettered American Flyer Lines. No Tender Attached 1946 and 1947: 310 and 312 will have reverse in boiler (slot in top of boiler to accommodate E unit lever) and brass buttons on bottom. Look for brass tube leading from smoke stack with or without rubber tubing leading towards tender. No brass tube would tend to indicate 310. Brass tube would tend to indicate 312. This might not be exactly correct because Gilbert may have made identical setups for both and simply left off the rubber tubing for the 310. 1948 and later years with smoke in boiler: If slot still present in top of boiler then it would probably be a 1948 or 1949 312. In later years, as early boiler inventory was used up, the boiler top slot was removed. If there is no slot at the top of the boiler then it is pretty much impossible to tell the link versions apart (312, 314AW, 315). If the boiler has not had the paint totally stripped, then the knuckle versions (313, 316, 21115) should show white paint on the inside of the smoke stack and a red plastic smoke fluid filler tube. Hope this helps. Walt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63325	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: K5 Pacific I.D.

NICE. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: alizoo@... Sender: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 03:30:30 To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: K5 Pacific I.D. Slight correction - the late 1946 locos and early 47 may just have two holes where the buttons were intended to be fitted. Alistair On Mon 31/01/11 12:30 AM , "Walter Jopke" sscale@... sent: Howard, Here is the complete scoop: I can't tell from your posting whether the tender is attached so two different sets of answers: Tender Attached 1) If it has a knuckle coupler then it would be a 313, 316 or 21115. The 316 and 21115 would have a whistle speaker in the tender, the 313 would not. The 316 will have a 4 position E unit in the tender. The 21115 will have a 2 position E unit mounted at the back of the boiler cab. 2) If the tender is link coupler then, look at the link. There are 3 possibilities: a) link coupler without any weight attached. Look at where the link attaches to the tender sheet metal truck. If the plastic thins down, then the K5 is either a 310 or 312 from 1946. Other give-aways for 1946. Brass buttons on boiler, smoke in tender for 312, no smoke for 310 but hole in top of tender shell for smoke fluid filler present, tender lettered Pennsylvania. b) link coupler without any weight attached but plastic on link coupler does not thin down where it is attached to the tender sheet metal truck. Then the loco is a 310 or 312 from 1947. Again 312 will be smoke in tender and 310 will be no smoke. Other give-aways for 1947 (and later years). No brass buttons on boiler, tender lettered American Flyer Lines. There are some rare variations listed which mix the brass buttons and smoke in boiler versus tender but the above will cover 99% of the units manufactured. c) link coupler with brass weights. These will all be 312, 312AC, 314AW or 315 all manufactured after 1947. These will all have smoke in boiler. It would pretty much be impossible to tell a 312 from a 312AC. The 314AW, available only in 1952, will have the whistle in the tender (not the speaker but rather the air driven whistle for which AF lost a patent suit with Lionel). The 315 has the whistle speaker in the tender. The earlier years will have a brass weight on the link coupler, the later years will have a black painted weight. All tenders will be lettered American Flyer Lines. No Tender Attached 1946 and 1947: 310 and 312 will have reverse in boiler (slot in top of boiler to accommodate E unit lever) and brass buttons on bottom. Look for brass tube leading from smoke stack with or without rubber tubing leading towards tender. No brass tube would tend to indicate 310. Brass tube would tend to indicate 312. This might not be exactly correct because Gilbert may have made identical setups for both and simply left off the rubber tubing for the 310. 1948 and later years with smoke in boiler: If slot still present in top of boiler then it would probably be a 1948 or 1949 312. In later years, as early boiler inventory was used up, the boiler top slot was removed. If there is no slot at the top of the boiler then it is pretty much impossible to tell the link versions apart (312, 314AW, 315). If the boiler has not had the paint totally stripped, then the knuckle versions (313, 316, 21115) should show white paint on the inside of the smoke stack and a red plastic smoke fluid filler tube. Hope this helps. Walt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20K5%20Pacific%20I.D. [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvODBnZmlnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzMxNgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTY0MDQyMzY-?act=reply&messageNum=63316 [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/63275;_ylc=X3oDMTM0aG9lY3JuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzMxNgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTY0MDQyMzYEdHBjSWQDNjMyNzU- [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63326	From: Robert Graves	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: help me identify this boxcar shell

I have come across a dark green Great Northern boxcar shell numbered 9339 and labeled "BLT 1-79 LIONEL".  It's the same size as a Gilbert boxcar but has double doors on both sides.  Can someone tell me what it is, when it was made, etc.?  Is it a convention car?  Thanks in advance. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63327	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Washington (Old Timer) Set

I have a like new Washington set with original cannon and cannon car for sale. Anyone interested please email or phone me. Sorry, no set box Steve Blackburn 208-376-1159 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63328	From: Gale Hall	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: help me identify this boxcar shell

Robert, I would most likely say it is the Lionel car that has been around since the early 50's and we have been using it is S for years...as for your car there the Great Northern, Lionel is pretty good with dates I would say made in 1979. gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: s-trains@... Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 7:11 PM Subject: [S-Trains] help me identify this boxcar shell I have come across a dark green Great Northern boxcar shell numbered 9339 and labeled "BLT 1-79 LIONEL". It's the same size as a Gilbert boxcar but has double doors on both sides. Can someone tell me what it is, when it was made, etc.? Is it a convention car? Thanks in advance. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63329	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: help me identify this boxcar shell

Based solely on the 3993 number it's a 93 TCA car with a Flyonel #484&2 Sent from my iPod On Jan 30, 2011, at 8:11 PM, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > I have come across a dark green Great Northern boxcar shell numbered 9339 and labeled "BLT 1-79 LIONEL". It's the same size as a Gilbert boxcar but has double doors on both sides. Can someone tell me what it is, when it was made, etc.? Is it a convention car? Thanks in advance. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63330	From: kenwoodies1	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: Re: help me identify this boxcar shell

Robert, That is a Lionel O MPC boxcar 6-9339 made from 1979-1986. It is a very common car. One just sold this month on ebay for $14.00 Jim Duncan --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > I have come across a dark green Great Northern boxcar shell numbered 9339 and labeled "BLT 1-79 LIONEL".  It's the same size as a Gilbert boxcar but has double doors on both sides.  Can someone tell me what it is, when it was made, etc.?  Is it a convention car?  Thanks in advance. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63331	From: rj4010d	Date: 1/30/2011
Subject: TPC 400

I just switched from 2 Power Masters ,one each on two differant blocks to one TPC 400.The Power Masters had very good circuit breaker protection but I fear the 400 has none as I already smoked a track feed wire on a slow acting Teshendo switch machine.I remember some disscussion on here about quick acting circut protection for TMCC. Please refesh me on this. Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63332	From: Timboy	Date: 1/31/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "MikeS" <hspanier@...> wrote: > > Tim - So, with your modifications, how reliably do the link couplers stay coupled? Filing out that groove seems very clever. > > Mike Spanier Hi Mike: Since I made that simple modification to my link couplers, there have been no break-aways! Time will tell just how effective it truly is, but so far it is 100%. Since it is a modification, albeit ever so slight of one, I would not recommend the procedure done to any linker that is a shelf queen. Actually, you probably wouldn't be running a shelf queen anyway! Hope this tidbit is of value to people who like running "old school" vintage post-war Flyer! Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63333	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 1/31/2011
Subject: Re: help me identify this boxcar shell

Hi Robert, 9339 Great Northern Box Car is an 027 car made by Lionel 1979 to 1983 again in 1985 and 1986.  This car was never made in "S" Gauge.  027 cars are closeto "S" scale with "O" gauge trucks. Tom Seccia --- On Sun, 1/30/11, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: [S-Trains] help me identify this boxcar shell To: s-trains@... Date: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 8:11 PM   I have come across a dark green Great Northern boxcar shell numbered 9339 and labeled "BLT 1-79 LIONEL". It's the same size as a Gilbert boxcar but has double doors on both sides. Can someone tell me what it is, when it was made, etc.? Is it a convention car? Thanks in advance. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63334	From: Lou Templeton	Date: 1/31/2011
Subject: Re: TPC 400

Bob, I use a power shield model PSX-AC by DCC Specialties and run TMCC. It works great! I purchased it from TonysTrains.com 800-978-3472. They sell it at a good price. Lou Templeton, Hickory,Pa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63335	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/31/2011
Subject: Re: laser cut stuff

link from Bud....Wow, check out this laser cutting.... > http://www.vectorcut.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63336	From: Timboy	Date: 1/31/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Hello Everyone! I'm in the middle of some very boring under-the-table shenanigans (wiring). I thought this might be a good place to do a pictorial recap of what I have built so far. It's not near done, but some basic scenery and stuff is in place and - as we all know - most importantly of all, I CAN RUN 'EM! lololololol If you want to take a peek, you can see those pics at: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63337	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 1/31/2011
Subject: Re: TPC 400

Bob, I have a TPC 300, the breaker is marked 15A. When it was in use it never tripped, the Z-4000 transformer did. When I used a Lionel type V transformer for accessory power I used fast-acting glass fuses. I had a short once in the accessory wiring and the glass fuse probably saved a SC-2 Switch and Accessory controller Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63338	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 1/31/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Wow for your railroad summer finally arrived I see that the snow is gone lolololololololol To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: timstrains2000@... Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 23:52:03 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Building a large AF layout Hello Everyone! I'm in the middle of some very boring under-the-table shenanigans (wiring). I thought this might be a good place to do a pictorial recap of what I have built so far. It's not near done, but some basic scenery and stuff is in place and - as we all know - most importantly of all, I CAN RUN 'EM! lololololol If you want to take a peek, you can see those pics at: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63339	From: Brady	Date: 1/31/2011
Subject: Flyer Layout on Tracks Ahead

Episode 504 has a segment on a very nice Flyer layout http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgqJxNJNFtc& Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63340	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/31/2011
Subject: Re: help me identify this boxcar shell

Robert & all, I have noted for some time that the L double-door boxcar is S-width, and would look S--but I don't have info on the prototype to say "It's S!" I emailed L sometime ago suggesting they could have a "brand-new" S gauge car without tooling costs by putting Flyonel trucks under that body shell. So if you want a "New" car for your layout, check out some junk boxes at the next train show! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63341	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 2/1/2011
Subject: Re: Flyer Layout on Tracks Ahead

Thanks for episode 504 Brady.  Great  AF footage of layout. Bob ________________________________ From: Brady <brady@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, January 31, 2011 10:05:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Layout on Tracks Ahead   Episode 504 has a segment on a very nice Flyer layout http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgqJxNJNFtc& Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63342	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 2/1/2011
Subject: Re: help me identify this boxcar shell

I think you'll find that this car has been identified as a good target for S gaugers for a long time. The scale guys discovered it a while ago. It's taller than the AF car, and more typical,actually. The AF car is a modernized PRR X29, which is a short prototype. Another amazing Lionel piece is the very common Bucyrus Erie 250 ton crane, the 2460, 6460, 6560, etc. Put one next to a set of plans for the prototype (June 1966 Model Railroader in S scale), and you'll be amazed! Put a set of AF 6-wheel trucks under it, and you'll see. Unfortunately, these things bring a premium for some reason, even though they're common-they were packed in just about every "upgrade" freight set--kinda like the AF Frontiersman. You have to shop around for parts and repaints to get 'em cheap. Please note: message attached From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: "s-trains list" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: help me identify this boxcar shell Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 21:52:29 -0800 ____________________________________________________________ When Banks Compete, You Win! Refi & lower payments today: $400,000 for only $1,687/mo. No SSN required. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d480a962eef7ba35bst03duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63343	From: Jerry	Date: 2/1/2011
Subject: Re: help me identify this boxcar shell

Hi David, Yup, it's a fairly easy conversion to do. As far as looking under the tables at shows, that's something I do as a matter of course! I love the pristine examples of Flyer out there, but there's no way I can afford them now. The only ones I have were purchased LONG ago. So now I content myself with taking something that in the past would be thrown away and bringing it back to life, or scratch building. The things in REAL bad condition are subject to modification and bashing. But any way you look at it, and any form of S is fun. As the kids used to say "It's all good". By the way, I've used automotive paint stripper on die cast and sheet metal shells without any adverse results. The sheet metal is also treated with metal prep solution. Just be sure to wash the shell thoroughly and neutralize the stripper with paint thinner and another washing with detergent before priming. Bead blasting is also a great way to prep the metal too. The K5 in my album was done that way. Jerry Poniatowski Waiting for the snow in Wayne, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> wrote: > > Robert & all, > I have noted for some time that the L double-door boxcar is S-width, and would look S--but I don't have info on the prototype to say "It's S!" I emailed L sometime ago suggesting they could have a "brand-new" S gauge car without tooling costs by putting Flyonel trucks under that body shell. So if you want a "New" car for your layout, check out some junk boxes at the next train show! > S' > David D. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63344	From: Timboy	Date: 2/1/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote: > > Wow for your railroad summer finally arrived I see that the snow is gone lolololololololol > Hah-Hah-Hah! You mean the snow that I never had? That snow? Hah-Hah-Hah! Yeah, it's gone a while. Not forgotten about, tho and I have a "snow shed" or "rockslide shed" on my wish list for a future upgrade! I saw that Robinson layout on TA some years back. Apparently, he stole my "oatmeal" formula. lol I saw a few similarities between some of his landscaping and mine. I taught him all he knows, even though he is much, much older than me and he built his layout first. Technicality. lololololololol To bad we can't download those YouTube TA's to our own hard drives! Dang it! Regards, Timboy, The S-Gauge Nerd

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63345	From: Carey Probst	Date: 2/1/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

You can download them. Get the Ant Video Downloader plugin for Firefox. All you need to do is start the video on youtube (and many other sites) and then click the download button. Ant will grab the video and download it even if you stop watching it. carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 2/1/2011 8:19 AM, Timboy wrote: > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote: > > > > Wow for your railroad summer finally arrived I see that the snow is > gone lolololololololol > > > > Hah-Hah-Hah! You mean the snow that I never had? That snow? > Hah-Hah-Hah! Yeah, it's gone a while. Not forgotten about, tho and I > have a "snow shed" or "rockslide shed" on my wish list for a future > upgrade! > > I saw that Robinson layout on TA some years back. Apparently, he stole > my "oatmeal" formula. lol I saw a few similarities between some of his > landscaping and mine. I taught him all he knows, even though he is > much, much older than me and he built his layout first. Technicality. > lololololololol To bad we can't download those YouTube TA's to our own > hard drives! Dang it! > > Regards, > Timboy, The S-Gauge Nerd > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63346	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 2/1/2011
Subject: 30b Transformer

What are the signs that the rollers are bad on a 30b transformer? It appears to me that once past say 80 there is no change in the speed of the engines. If it is the rollers, is it difficult to replace them on each of the dual controls? Thanks, Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63347	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/1/2011
Subject: Lionel 6000 series boxcars

----- Original Message ----- From: schwartzsj@... I think you'll find that this car has been identified as a good target for S gaugers for a long time.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the 6000 series cars (http://www.postwarlionel.com/cgi-bin/postwar?ITEM=6044 for instance) have long been know to be S scale in over-all dimensions. And the Ace conversion floor intended for AF cars, with some filing at the corners and the doors,, will fit it perfectly. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63348	From: afjerryk5	Date: 2/1/2011
Subject: Lionel boxcar conversion

I've done several of these,on one I put Flyer trucks on the original underframe.The other now has a Flyer plastic tank car underframe.which fits with minor filing.Also reworked a Lionel mill gondola by cutting it in half lengthways on my table saw.The kerf of the blade is such that when glued back together the stub ends of a tank car frame dropped right in.This is a cheap,fun way to get some interesting new cars. Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63349	From: Brady	Date: 2/1/2011
Subject: Mail Service

The three-door central (a division of the American Flyer Lines) has added mail service to the regular passenger run http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJKpqTa1cgI Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63350	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/1/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Hey all count your blessings. As I type this (Tuesday evening Feb 1 10:56PM) the temp is -11 and looking for about-18. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: timstrains2000@... Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 13:19:39 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Building a large AF layout --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote: > > Wow for your railroad summer finally arrived I see that the snow is gone lolololololololol > Hah-Hah-Hah! You mean the snow that I never had? That snow? Hah-Hah-Hah! Yeah, it's gone a while. Not forgotten about, tho and I have a "snow shed" or "rockslide shed" on my wish list for a future upgrade! I saw that Robinson layout on TA some years back. Apparently, he stole my "oatmeal" formula. lol I saw a few similarities between some of his landscaping and mine. I taught him all he knows, even though he is much, much older than me and he built his layout first. Technicality. lololololololol To bad we can't download those YouTube TA's to our own hard drives! Dang it! Regards, Timboy, The S-Gauge Nerd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63351	From: Robert Conner	Date: 2/2/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

IN 2009 IT WAS A BALMY -19 IN WEST YELLOWSTONE, MT WHEN I TOOK MY GF ON A RIDE IN THE MOUNTAINS ON A SNOWMOBILE.... MOST TRIPS, AND I GO ABOUT EVERY JAN EXCEPT THIS ONE ITS 0 OR BELOW.... BOB --- On Wed, 2/2/11, Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote: From: Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Building a large AF layout To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 12:59 AM   Hey all count your blessings. As I type this (Tuesday evening Feb 1 10:56PM) the temp is -11 and looking for about-18. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: timstrains2000@... Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 13:19:39 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Building a large AF layout --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote: > > Wow for your railroad summer finally arrived I see that the snow is gone lolololololololol > Hah-Hah-Hah! You mean the snow that I never had? That snow? Hah-Hah-Hah! Yeah, it's gone a while. Not forgotten about, tho and I have a "snow shed" or "rockslide shed" on my wish list for a future upgrade! I saw that Robinson layout on TA some years back. Apparently, he stole my "oatmeal" formula. lol I saw a few similarities between some of his landscaping and mine. I taught him all he knows, even though he is much, much older than me and he built his layout first. Technicality. lololololololol To bad we can't download those YouTube TA's to our own hard drives! Dang it! Regards, Timboy, The S-Gauge Nerd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63352	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/2/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

A balmy +3 degrees here with 14² of snow and drifts to 6¹. Definitely a building day... Roy on 2/1/11 11:59 PM, Robert Lampe at danceswithwolves49@... wrote: > > > > > > > Hey all count your blessings. As I type this (Tuesday evening Feb 1 10:56PM) > the temp is -11 and looking for about-18. > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > From: timstrains2000@... <mailto:timstrains2000%40yahoo.com> > Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 13:19:39 +0000 > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Building a large AF layout > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , Robert > Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote: > >> > > >> > Wow for your railroad summer finally arrived I see that the snow is gone >> lolololololololol > >> > > > Hah-Hah-Hah! You mean the snow that I never had? That snow? Hah-Hah-Hah! > Yeah, it's gone a while. Not forgotten about, tho and I have a "snow shed" or > "rockslide shed" on my wish list for a future upgrade! > > I saw that Robinson layout on TA some years back. Apparently, he stole my > "oatmeal" formula. lol I saw a few similarities between some of his > landscaping and mine. I taught him all he knows, even though he is much, much > older than me and he built his layout first. Technicality. lololololololol > To bad we can't download those YouTube TA's to our own hard drives! Dang it! > > Regards, > > Timboy, The S-Gauge Nerd > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63353	From: Robert	Date: 2/2/2011
Subject: American Models

I have a friend in Washington state who owns a hobby shop. Recently I asked her to get me some American Models locomotives and yesterday Feb1 she informed me that they are not available and when she called was informed that the number had been disconnected. She did not however say if she called them direct or just a distributor. Does anyone have any clues?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63354	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 2/2/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

From: Alan Lambert          Lone Star Flyer Club          Arlington, Texas   Dear Roy,   It is 14degrees  outside so I will be running trains in Fort Worth, Texas. I know how to drive in Ice and snow , but if I don't need to I stay at home.  We need snow plows down here to keep things rolling. but we dont have plow friendly roads. We have raised traffic reflectors with  the normal strips. Now back to my trains.                                                              Thanks,                                                                         Alan Lambert  --- On Wed, 2/2/11, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Building a large AF layout To: "S-trains" <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 8:21 AM   A balmy +3 degrees here with 14² of snow and drifts to 6¹. Definitely a building day... Roy on 2/1/11 11:59 PM, Robert Lampe at danceswithwolves49@... wrote: > > > > > > > Hey all count your blessings. As I type this (Tuesday evening Feb 1 10:56PM) > the temp is -11 and looking for about-18. > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > From: timstrains2000@... <mailto:timstrains2000%40yahoo.com> > Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 13:19:39 +0000 > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Building a large AF layout > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , Robert > Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote: > >> > > >> > Wow for your railroad summer finally arrived I see that the snow is gone >> lolololololololol > >> > > > Hah-Hah-Hah! You mean the snow that I never had? That snow? Hah-Hah-Hah! > Yeah, it's gone a while. Not forgotten about, tho and I have a "snow shed" or > "rockslide shed" on my wish list for a future upgrade! > > I saw that Robinson layout on TA some years back. Apparently, he stole my > "oatmeal" formula. lol I saw a few similarities between some of his > landscaping and mine. I taught him all he knows, even though he is much, much > older than me and he built his layout first. Technicality. lololololololol > To bad we can't download those YouTube TA's to our own hard drives! Dang it! > > Regards, > > Timboy, The S-Gauge Nerd > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63355	From: The Reardon's	Date: 2/2/2011
Subject: Re: American Models

Ron sent me some parts just last week. Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 7:26 AM Subject: [S-Trains] American Models I have a friend in Washington state who owns a hobby shop. Recently I asked her to get me some American Models locomotives and yesterday Feb1 she informed me that they are not available and when she called was informed that the number had been disconnected. She did not however say if she called them direct or just a distributor. Does anyone have any clues? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63356	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/2/2011
Subject: Re: American Models

Don Thompson of SHS posted a while back that they had discontinued selling to hobby shops because of their low inventory, and were now only selling direct. Maybe AM the same ? Roy on 2/2/11 6:26 AM, Robert at danceswithwolves49@... wrote: > > > > > > I have a friend in Washington state who owns a hobby shop. Recently I asked > her to get me some American Models locomotives and yesterday Feb1 she informed > me that they are not available and when she called was informed that the > number had been disconnected. She did not however say if she called them > direct or just a distributor. Does anyone have any clues? > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63357	From: David	Date: 2/2/2011
Subject: Rolling Brown-Outs

Hi All, Here in beautiful Katy (Houston) it was 70 yesterday morning and 19 this morning. Today we have rolling brownouts due to extra heavy electrical usage. So far three outages in the office this morning each lasting from 15 minutes to 40 minutes. I would go home and run trains but that might crash the entire grid - lol. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63358	From: Stan S.	Date: 2/2/2011
Subject: Re: American Models

> Don Thompson of SHS posted a while back that they had discontinued selling > to hobby shops because of their low inventory, and were now only selling > direct. Maybe AM the same ? See"Breaking News" for the details on AM: http://www.hoquathobbies.com/ Stan Stokrocki

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63359	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 2/2/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel boxcar conversion

The newer cars with the plastic underframes work the best. All you have to do is rivet/grommet AF trucks onto them. Please note: message attached From: "afjerryk5" <afjerryk5@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel boxcar conversion Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 20:45:47 -0000 ____________________________________________________________ $65/Hr Job - 25 Openings Part-Time job ($20-$65/hr). Requirements: Home Internet Access http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d49c481b862ef9b41st03duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63360	From: Timboy	Date: 2/2/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Hi Everyone! Whew! A routine 11-hour power outage around here! Anyhoo, thanks to all for links on tools to "capture" YouTube vids! I'll have to try them. But I suspect that what I'll get is a "screen capture" as opposed to a true download. The true download is what I did a "dang it" on. Well - as I always say - there is one way to find out! Let's see; virus protection updated? Check. Spyware protection in place? Check. I'm not one to go running through cyberspace naked. The mall - maybe - but definitely NOT cyberspace! Regards, Timboy, The S Gauge Nerd

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63361	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/2/2011
Subject: Re: American Models

I called AM this morning and was told that they are most definitely still in business just on a temporary slowdown is all. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: sscale@... Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 14:23:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Models > Don Thompson of SHS posted a while back that they had discontinued selling > to hobby shops because of their low inventory, and were now only selling > direct. Maybe AM the same ? See"Breaking News" for the details on AM: http://www.hoquathobbies.com/ Stan Stokrocki [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63362	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/2/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

I would have preferred to stay home today but we had to go to Helena so I could make the appointment for an echocardiogram it was -16 when we left and by the time we got to IHOP in Helena it was -3. It only got up to about 14 above all day To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: rcon7@... Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 22:46:16 -0800 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Building a large AF layout IN 2009 IT WAS A BALMY -19 IN WEST YELLOWSTONE, MT WHEN I TOOK MY GF ON A RIDE IN THE MOUNTAINS ON A SNOWMOBILE.... MOST TRIPS, AND I GO ABOUT EVERY JAN EXCEPT THIS ONE ITS 0 OR BELOW.... BOB --- On Wed, 2/2/11, Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote: From: Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Building a large AF layout To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 12:59 AM Hey all count your blessings. As I type this (Tuesday evening Feb 1 10:56PM) the temp is -11 and looking for about-18. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: timstrains2000@... Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 13:19:39 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Building a large AF layout --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote: > > Wow for your railroad summer finally arrived I see that the snow is gone lolololololololol > Hah-Hah-Hah! You mean the snow that I never had? That snow? Hah-Hah-Hah! Yeah, it's gone a while. Not forgotten about, tho and I have a "snow shed" or "rockslide shed" on my wish list for a future upgrade! I saw that Robinson layout on TA some years back. Apparently, he stole my "oatmeal" formula. lol I saw a few similarities between some of his landscaping and mine. I taught him all he knows, even though he is much, much older than me and he built his layout first. Technicality. lololololololol To bad we can't download those YouTube TA's to our own hard drives! Dang it! Regards, Timboy, The S-Gauge Nerd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63363	From: Brady	Date: 2/3/2011
Subject: Homer Henry's Flyer Layout

Tracks Ahead Episode #509 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEw9vzTlhWA& Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63364	From: johntech	Date: 2/3/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Well Timboy I can say for sure that the YouTube Dounloader I use has work flawlessly the past 2 years I have had it. I have downloaded everything from music, music videos, train layout videos, scenery videos and a ton of other stuff on YouTube. Never got a virus or had any trouble with the program. I have 5 computers in my house on a network and I make sure EVERYTHING gets scanned daily. The program downloads from YouTube and gives you the option to convert to other formats, including mp3, windows media player and a few more and it's free!! Here is the link to it: http://download.cnet.com/YouTube-Downloader/3000-2071_4-10647340.html John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63365	From: Timboy	Date: 2/3/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "johntech" <beebear@...> wrote: > > Well Timboy I can say for sure that the YouTube Dounloader I use has work > flawlessly the past 2 years > I have had it. I have downloaded everything from music, music videos, train > layout videos, scenery videos > and a ton of other stuff on YouTube. Never got a virus or had any trouble > with the program. > I have 5 computers in my house on a network and I make sure EVERYTHING gets > scanned daily. > The program downloads from YouTube and gives you the option to convert to > other formats, including > mp3, windows media player and a few more and it's free!! > > Here is the link to it: > > http://download.cnet.com/YouTube-Downloader/3000-2071_4-10647340.html > > John > Hi John: I never had any doubt about the safety of using those tools. I have enough protection in place that I would get some red flags if there was anything malicious in the YouTube videos. My speculation was that those tools would not give me a true download - just merely a screen shot. I am extremely happy to report that I was wrong! I am so happy to report that. I downloaded and installed the tool you pointed me to. Then I downloaded an episode of Tracks Ahead that I didn't have. The downloaded file played on my Quicktime Player. The quality of the video is amazing! Thanks to all who pointed me in the right direction. That is yet another hi-tech tool that I can use for personal enrichment. Thanks again, Timboy, An S-Gauge Enthusiast

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63366	From: Grumpy	Date: 2/3/2011
Subject: 50% off decal sale

50% off decal sale all decals are now 50% off till the end of March so stock up and save -- Tom Stolte owner of Oddballs Decals No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by avast.com http://oddballsdecals.org My prototype photos http://oddballsdecals.rrpicturearchives.net/ my photos of the Missouri Pacific http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ aka Grumpy, one of the seven Dwarfs only taller :-) only 7 feet tall, 213 centimeters tall or 2130 mm tall MP, CNW, MKT, KCS, DRGW, BN, RI, MILW, ATSF, SLSF and SP Forever

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63367	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/4/2011
Subject: Re: 50% off decal sale

No NP hood units I see. Do you happen to know who has any To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mopac12@... Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 21:16:33 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] 50% off decal sale 50% off decal sale all decals are now 50% off till the end of March so stock up and save -- Tom Stolte owner of Oddballs Decals No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by avast.com http://oddballsdecals.org My prototype photos http://oddballsdecals.rrpicturearchives.net/ my photos of the Missouri Pacific http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ aka Grumpy, one of the seven Dwarfs only taller :-) only 7 feet tall, 213 centimeters tall or 2130 mm tall MP, CNW, MKT, KCS, DRGW, BN, RI, MILW, ATSF, SLSF and SP Forever [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63368	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/4/2011
Subject: 50% Off Decal Sale--HUMOR

Tom, I already have lots of decals that are 50% and more off--I need decals that are 100% ON (the car)! (oops, just in case anyone mis-understands this statement, it is just HUMOR, not a comment on Tom's decals, nor anyone elses' products--blame it on being early in the morning and my twisted mind) OK, back to my day job. . . S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63369	From: Robert Conner	Date: 2/4/2011
Subject: Re: 50% Off Decal Sale--HUMOR

DAVID IS JUST NORMAL..... BTW.... I have "ROYAL BLUE DECALS" that I got in the last century for my "ROYAL BLUE PASSENGER SET" made up of a Royal Blue KC engine and 4 (NEW) KC HW cars that were repainted to natch.... Nice set but still waiting on time to put them on TOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bob --- On Fri, 2/4/11, David Dewey <djdewey@...> wrote: From: David Dewey <djdewey@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 50% Off Decal Sale--HUMOR To: "s-trains list" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, February 4, 2011, 10:47 AM   Tom, I already have lots of decals that are 50% and more off--I need decals that are 100% ON (the car)! (oops, just in case anyone mis-understands this statement, it is just HUMOR, not a comment on Tom's decals, nor anyone elses' products--blame it on being early in the morning and my twisted mind) OK, back to my day job. . . S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63370	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/4/2011
Subject: Re: 50% Off Decal Sale--HUMOR

Ha! Now that you mention it, I have several cars with paint 50% off!! Hey, as long as they run and roll... Thanks for a Friday chuckle. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: "s-trains list" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 4, 2011 8:47:03 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 50% Off Decal Sale--HUMOR Tom, I already have lots of decals that are 50% and more off--I need decals that are 100% ON (the car)! (oops, just in case anyone mis-understands this statement, it is just HUMOR, not a comment on Tom's decals, nor anyone elses' products--blame it on being early in the morning and my twisted mind) OK, back to my day job. . . S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63371	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 2/4/2011
Subject: FIVE RR Events in Sacramento.....

Folks.. In the past, I have mentioned the National Train Show, the NMRA annual convention, the NASG annual convention and the Train Collectors Association (TCA) convention are all going to be in Sacramento this summer in the same two-week period. With my usual modesty and understatement, I have opined this will be the most model railroad activity in any one place on Planet Earth this coming summer. And now there is another one to add to the heap...read on, my friends.. We now have FIVE (count 'em) model railroad events in one two-week period in the same general area. Richmond is an interesting 60-minute train ride from Sacramento. See you in "S"acto..Ed L. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ BAPM 2011 - San Francisco Bay Area Prototype Modelers Meet Saturday, June 25, 2011 BAPM is back by popular demand! Bring your models, finished or better yet, still in progress! Bring your friends! There is no judging or contest. Instead, RPM events provide an opportunity to meet with fellow modelers, discuss tips and learn new techniques, and of course enjoy viewing lots of superb models! All scales, eras, and roads are welcome! To keep costs and admission fees lower (just $10 admission), BAPM 2011 is focused on the display and viewing of models. But there's MORE! - Slideshows, Clinics and Awesome Raffle Prizes! Slideshow/Clinic topics TBD, but it'll be good! We will also host the traditional bountiful BAPM Prize Raffle featuring great prizes from major model railroad manufacturers and local hobby shops! When? Saturday June 25, 2011 9am-5pm Where? Just two minutes from I-80! St. David's School Hall 871 Sonoma St. Richmond, CA 94805 For directions, & more info, check out our website: http://www.bayareaprototypemodelers.net Best Regards, Your Friendly BAPM Organizing Crew [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63372	From: Martin A. Johnson	Date: 2/4/2011
Subject: Re: Homer Henry's Flyer Layout

Brady, Thanks for posting, My local PBS stations have never carried Tracks Ahead, so I've only seen a few episodes online. Very nice Piece on the late Homer Henry's Flyer layout. I worked as a sub-contractor for Homer in the late 90's booming as a Conductor on the Wisconsin Central. I talked to him many times on the phone, even about the model railroading, but never had the chance to meet him in person. Marty [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63373	From: timstrains2000	Date: 2/4/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Hi Everyone! Getting strong now. Wont' be long now. Wait a minute! Wasn't that the tagline from Rocky? Well, it is also the tagline for MEEEEEEEEEEEEE - or at least my new layout. They are running better every day and I am finding new ways to make them run even better every day. http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63374	From: Donald Keil	Date: 2/4/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Six million dollar man !!!!!!!!!!!!! your' good ________________________________ From: timstrains2000 <timstrains2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, February 4, 2011 7:53:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Building a large AF layout Hi Everyone! Getting strong now. Wont' be long now. Wait a minute! Wasn't that the tagline from Rocky? Well, it is also the tagline for MEEEEEEEEEEEEE - or at least my new layout. They are running better every day and I am finding new ways to make them run even better every day. http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63375	From: Timboy	Date: 2/5/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Hi Everyone! I don't know if I mentioned this ever before, but I just made a new post on my blog to show how I enhance the electrical pick-up of my steamer trucks. If you would like to take a look at the two techniques I use, please visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ I hope this info is of help to S-Guage enthusiasts! Regards, Timboy, The S-Gauge Nerd

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63376	From: rj4010d	Date: 2/5/2011
Subject: Re: TPC 400

Lou,I got sidetracked for a few days but finally called Tony yesterday.Thanks for the info. Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Lou Templeton <letempleton3@...> wrote: > > Bob, > > I use a power shield model PSX-AC by DCC Specialties and run TMCC. It > works great! I purchased it from TonysTrains.com > 800-978-3472. They sell it at a good price. > > Lou Templeton, Hickory,Pa > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63377	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/5/2011
Subject: AF Timeline

The below was sent to me from a past TCA president I am in touch with from the Lakes and Pines division news letter. Mike OK YOU AMERICAN FLYER FANS - THE A.C.GILBERT HISTORY - 1909-1967 1909 Mysto Manufacturing Company is founded with A.C.Gilbert & John Petrie in Westville, Conn. 1911 Mysto Manufacturing incorporates. They explore an idea for Erector. 1913 Erector toys are first announced at New York City Toy Fair. 1916 First successful use of enameled wire for small motors. Mysto Manufacturing Co. becomes the A.C.Gilbert Co. Toy Manufacturers of U.S.A. Founded with A.C. as first president. 1920 „Gilbert Radio Press‟ broadcasts over the 6th licensed radio broadcasting station in USA - WCJ 1922 Opens manufacturing plant in Austria. 1924 Quietly moves machinery from Austria in fear that government will take the business over. 1929 Purchased Meccano Co. of America. Depression Years - had only 2 years of red ink - 32-33. 1931 Addition of locomotive to Erector line. 1935 Microscope introduced. 1938 Purchased American Flyer. 1941 Dedicated Gilbert Hall of Science in NYC with 1500 boys as guests. Sales over $4 million. War Years - Produced flares, mines, booby traps and electric motors for trim tabs of airplanes. 1946 Developed “S” gauge American Flyer. 1950 Broadcast “Boys‟ Railroad Club” on television. 1951 Atomic Energy lab introduced. The air chime whistle and rubber roadbed first appeared. 1952 Atomic Energy lab withdrawn. Knuckle couplers introduced on some trains. Also new was red glow smoke, Pull-Mor engines and dead-man control transformers. 1954 Plastic Engines. 1955 Diesel “roar”. 1957 Changed to 5 digit numbering system. 1958-1959 Began to drop engines - Atlantic, Penn K-5, 0-8-0 switcher, classic Santa Fe Chief. Brought out “Frontiersman” 4-4-0 - a prototype of cheapened products to come. 1961 A.C.Gilbert dies at the age of 76. Family sells 144,000 shares to Wrather Corporation. 1962-1966 Entire American Flyer line reduced. No profits shown. No Gilberts in the Gilbert Co. 1967 Company is no more. Lionel buys American Flyer name and line in June. That‟s [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63378	From: tbennerohio	Date: 2/5/2011
Subject: TMCC SC1 vs SC2

Hi folks, Thanks to good advice and help from a number of members here, I have been running my ceiling level layout with TMCC track control. No TMCC conversion, just the convenience of the repote control. To date it has been a simple CAB-1 with Powermasters for each loop of track. Two AF transformers provide the power to the powermasters because I really like the way they look. Today I added the Command Base and find that that the speed control seems finer and control range is much improved. The Command Base was added as the first step in adding TMCC switch control. The layout has two passing sidings, one on each loop, so only four switches need to be controlled. Along with the track switches there is a whistling billboard and two talking stations to control (so far). Looking around the web, I see both SC-1 and SC-2 controllers available. The going price for the SC-2s is about twice that of the SC-1 controllers. But I don't see much of a difference in their capabilities. Could someone bring me up to speed on these? As always, thanks. Tim Benner Snowy Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63379	From: navmedguy	Date: 2/5/2011
Subject: K4 Shorting Out, using Cruise commander

I put the ERR cruise commander and railsounds 4 in my American Models K4. Everything works great...... expect any attempt to move forward or backward leads to shorting / sparks etc between the large metal wheels and the metal drivers, and the metal 'bolts' that attach the drivers to the wheels. It's a DC engine sitting on AC track. The AC goes to the TMCC cruise commander, then the power is sent to the dc engine from there. The electricity that is sparking between the wheels and drivers is AC. I had the engine converted to this same set up before, and this did not happen. Then I moved those electronics to another locomotive. Just in the past week, I got a new cruise commander and sound board, and did the installation again. Now I have this problem. I was very meticulous about how I disassembled then assembled everything. Any ideas? Thanks Dr Y

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63380	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 2/5/2011
Subject: Re: K4 Shorting Out, using Cruise commander

Dr Y, Be sure the tender truck insulators have not broken down causing the tender chassis and therefore the loco frame to become either AC hot or Common. The frames should be isolated from track power and also motor and lighting voltages. You have a short somewhere? Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of navmedguy Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 8:34 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] K4 Shorting Out, using Cruise commander I put the ERR cruise commander and railsounds 4 in my American Models K4. Everything works great...... expect any attempt to move forward or backward leads to shorting / sparks etc between the large metal wheels and the metal drivers, and the metal 'bolts' that attach the drivers to the wheels. It's a DC engine sitting on AC track. The AC goes to the TMCC cruise commander, then the power is sent to the dc engine from there. The electricity that is sparking between the wheels and drivers is AC. I had the engine converted to this same set up before, and this did not happen. Then I moved those electronics to another locomotive. Just in the past week, I got a new cruise commander and sound board, and did the installation again. Now I have this problem. I was very meticulous about how I disassembled then assembled everything. Any ideas? Thanks Dr Y [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63381	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/5/2011
Subject: Re: K4 Shorting Out, using Cruise commander

----- Original Message ----- From: navmedguy . . . . . . any attempt to move forward or backward leads to shorting / sparks etc between the large metal wheels and the metal drivers, . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > Hard to find the short from here, but I wonder if by "drivers" you mean the side rods. In model railroading "drivers" usually means the powered wheels. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63382	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 2/5/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC SC1 vs SC2

<< Looking around the web, I see both SC-1 and SC-2 controllers available. The going price for the SC-2s is about twice that of the SC-1 controllers. But I don't see much of a difference in their capabilities. Could someone bring me up to speed on these? >> Tim, The SC-2 is an improved controller. The SC-2 can be used for mixed operation (4 switches, 4 accessories) or dedicated (6 switches, or up to 12 accessories).For accessories it can be wired on the hot or ground side of an accessory circuit, each of the six posts has a momentary (on for 1-2 seconds) and on/off connections. For switches you can operate one at a time, or set up pre-programmed routes. I've never used it with Flyer switches, but I remember seeing a wiring diagram for this recently. If memory serves, the SC-1 could only be used on the ground side and has a limited current capability. You would not be able to operate a mail pickup car or auto unloader with the SC-1. SC-2 manual http://www.lionel.com/media/servicedocuments/60607229802501.pdf Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63383	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 2/6/2011
Subject: Re: AF Timeline

You should have said - 1929 purchased Meccano USA from the main shareholder, one Lionel Cowan, who needed the funds in turn to purchase Ives outright. And somewhere along the lines, though the information is blurred and perhaps deliberately obscured, just before the founding of the Mysto company AC became a friend of Frank Hornby and was an agent for the Meccano firm in the USA. It might explain why he was able to use some cloned Meccano parts in the Erector sets without retribution when Hornby was litigating against other copiests. Alistair On Sun 06/02/11 9:46 AM , "Michael & Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... sent: The below was sent to me from a past TCA president I am in touch with from the Lakes and Pines division news letter. Mike OK YOU AMERICAN FLYER FANS - THE A.C.GILBERT HISTORY - 1909-1967 1909 Mysto Manufacturing Company is founded with A.C.Gilbert & John Petrie in Westville, Conn. 1911 Mysto Manufacturing incorporates. They explore an idea for Erector. 1913 Erector toys are first announced at New York City Toy Fair. 1916 First successful use of enameled wire for small motors. Mysto Manufacturing Co. becomes the A.C.Gilbert Co. Toy Manufacturers of U.S.A. Founded with A.C. as first president. 1920 „Gilbert Radio Press‟ broadcasts over the 6th licensed radio broadcasting station in USA - WCJ 1922 Opens manufacturing plant in Austria. 1924 Quietly moves machinery from Austria in fear that government will take the business over. 1929 Purchased Meccano Co. of America. Depression Years - had only 2 years of red ink - 32-33. 1931 Addition of locomotive to Erector line. 1935 Microscope introduced. 1938 Purchased American Flyer. 1941 Dedicated Gilbert Hall of Science in NYC with 1500 boys as guests. Sales over $4 million. War Years - Produced flares, mines, booby traps and electric motors for trim tabs of airplanes. 1946 Developed “S” gauge American Flyer. 1950 Broadcast “Boys‟ Railroad Club” on television. 1951 Atomic Energy lab introduced. The air chime whistle and rubber roadbed first appeared. 1952 Atomic Energy lab withdrawn. Knuckle couplers introduced on some trains. Also new was red glow smoke, Pull-Mor engines and dead-man control transformers. 1954 Plastic Engines. 1955 Diesel “roar”. 1957 Changed to 5 digit numbering system. 1958-1959 Began to drop engines - Atlantic, Penn K-5, 0-8-0 switcher, classic Santa Fe Chief. Brought out “Frontiersman” 4-4-0 - a prototype of cheapened products to come. 1961 A.C.Gilbert dies at the age of 76. Family sells 144,000 shares to Wrather Corporation. 1962-1966 Entire American Flyer line reduced. No profits shown. No Gilberts in the Gilbert Co. 1967 Company is no more. Lionel buys American Flyer name and line in June. That‟s [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20AF%20Timeline [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbDdsdjE0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzM3NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTY5NTE4MTk-?act=reply&messageNum=63377 [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/63377;_ylc=X3oDMTM0NWoxZmxzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzM3NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTY5NTE4MTkEdHBjSWQDNjMzNzc- [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63384	From: navmedguy	Date: 2/6/2011
Subject: Re: K4 Shorting Out, using Cruise commander

On the American models K4, it is a plastic link between the tender and the locomotive. The only other connection is the 4 pin plug that runs (now) between the Cruise Commander and the 4 pin attachment on the cab of the loco. The sparks are coming as the Side Shafts (thanks Tom) move past the large metal wheels of the loco (drivers.) I expect the metal wheels to be hot, as they're sitting on the AC track. The side shafts (metal) are connected to the large wheels with metal bolts, so I'd expect them to have contact with the AC. It seems as if the side shaft network is supposed to be insulated from the metal shell of the loco. But somehow, those side shafts are positioned to allow arcing between them and the large wheels. If I simply put the engine and tender on the track, and turn on the power, the sound works just fine. I turn up the throttle a tic on the legacy control and start to creep forward, and SPARK SPARK (btwn the drivers and side shafts), short - throwing the transformer breaker. No magic smoke has escaped from any parts as yet, but I'm certainly worried that will happen if I don't figure this out. An issue that might be related ---- This AM K4 was bought as a DC highrail version, specifically as I intended to convert it to TMCC. It's smoke unit wiring is pre-wired to come off the DC motor terminals. That should be alright, yes? Also, I have the "Brush 1" and "Brush 2" terminals on the Cruise Commander running to those motor terminals. I believe that's correct, but am now questioning everything. v/r dr y --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote: > > Dr Y, > > Be sure the tender truck insulators have not broken down causing the tender > chassis and therefore the loco frame to become either AC hot or Common. The > frames should be isolated from track power and also motor and lighting > voltages. You have a short somewhere? > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf > Of navmedguy > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 8:34 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] K4 Shorting Out, using Cruise commander > > > > I put the ERR cruise commander and railsounds 4 in my American Models K4. > Everything works great...... expect any attempt to move forward or backward > leads to shorting / sparks etc between the large metal wheels and the metal > drivers, and the metal 'bolts' that attach the drivers to the wheels. It's a > DC engine sitting on AC track. The AC goes to the TMCC cruise commander, > then the power is sent to the dc engine from there. The electricity that is > sparking between the wheels and drivers is AC. > I had the engine converted to this same set up before, and this did not > happen. Then I moved those electronics to another locomotive. Just in the > past week, I got a new cruise commander and sound board, and did the > installation again. Now I have this problem. I was very meticulous about how > I disassembled then assembled everything. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks > Dr Y > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63385	From: navmedguy	Date: 2/6/2011
Subject: Re: K4 Shorting Out, using Cruise commander

Yep, I had a suspicion I was using the wrong word. Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63386	From: tbennerohio	Date: 2/6/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC SC1 vs SC2

Thanks Brady. That is great information. Appreciate it. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio > > The SC-2 is an improved controller. The SC-2 can be used for mixed > operation (4 switches, 4 accessories) or dedicated (6 switches, or up to > 12 accessories).For accessories it can be wired on the hot or ground > side of an accessory circuit, each of the six posts has a momentary (on > for 1-2 seconds) and on/off connections. For switches you can operate > one at a time, or set up pre-programmed routes. I've never used it with > Flyer switches, but I remember seeing a wiring diagram for this recently. > > If memory serves, the SC-1 could only be used on the ground side and has > a limited current capability. You would not be able to operate a mail > pickup car or auto unloader with the SC-1. > > SC-2 manual http://www.lionel.com/media/servicedocuments/60607229802501.pdf > > > Brady Burdge >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63387	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/6/2011
Subject: Re: AF Timeline

I did not write this, as I am passing this along to the list from a TCA division newsletter. Mike From: alizoo@... Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 4:10 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Timeline You should have said - 1929 purchased Meccano USA from the main shareholder, one Lionel Cowan, who needed the funds in turn to purchase Ives outright. And somewhere along the lines, though the information is blurred and perhaps deliberately obscured, just before the founding of the Mysto company AC became a friend of Frank Hornby and was an agent for the Meccano firm in the USA. It might explain why he was able to use some cloned Meccano parts in the Erector sets without retribution when Hornby was litigating against other copiests. Alistair On Sun 06/02/11 9:46 AM , "Michael & Linda Marmer" mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net sent: The below was sent to me from a past TCA president I am in touch with from the Lakes and Pines division news letter. Mike OK YOU AMERICAN FLYER FANS - THE A.C.GILBERT HISTORY - 1909-1967 1909 Mysto Manufacturing Company is founded with A.C.Gilbert & John Petrie in Westville, Conn. 1911 Mysto Manufacturing incorporates. They explore an idea for Erector. 1913 Erector toys are first announced at New York City Toy Fair. 1916 First successful use of enameled wire for small motors. Mysto Manufacturing Co. becomes the A.C.Gilbert Co. Toy Manufacturers of U.S.A. Founded with A.C. as first president. 1920 „Gilbert Radio Press‟ broadcasts over the 6th licensed radio broadcasting station in USA - WCJ 1922 Opens manufacturing plant in Austria. 1924 Quietly moves machinery from Austria in fear that government will take the business over. 1929 Purchased Meccano Co. of America. Depression Years - had only 2 years of red ink - 32-33. 1931 Addition of locomotive to Erector line. 1935 Microscope introduced. 1938 Purchased American Flyer. 1941 Dedicated Gilbert Hall of Science in NYC with 1500 boys as guests. Sales over $4 million. War Years - Produced flares, mines, booby traps and electric motors for trim tabs of airplanes. 1946 Developed “S” gauge American Flyer. 1950 Broadcast “Boys‟ Railroad Club” on television. 1951 Atomic Energy lab introduced. The air chime whistle and rubber roadbed first appeared. 1952 Atomic Energy lab withdrawn. Knuckle couplers introduced on some trains. Also new was red glow smoke, Pull-Mor engines and dead-man control transformers. 1954 Plastic Engines. 1955 Diesel “roar”. 1957 Changed to 5 digit numbering system. 1958-1959 Began to drop engines - Atlantic, Penn K-5, 0-8-0 switcher, classic Santa Fe Chief. Brought out “Frontiersman” 4-4-0 - a prototype of cheapened products to come. 1961 A.C.Gilbert dies at the age of 76. Family sells 144,000 shares to Wrather Corporation. 1962-1966 Entire American Flyer line reduced. No profits shown. No Gilberts in the Gilbert Co. 1967 Company is no more. Lionel buys American Flyer name and line in June. That‟s [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20AF%20Timeline [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbDdsdjE0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzM3NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTY5NTE4MTk-?act=reply&messageNum=63377 [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/63377;_ylc=X3oDMTM0NWoxZmxzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzM3NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTY5NTE4MTkEdHBjSWQDNjMzNzc- [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63388	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 2/6/2011
Subject: Re: AF Timeline

No problems Mike - I was somewhat tongue in cheek anyway but I am sure most people are not aware of either piece of information. Alistair On Mon 07/02/11 1:41 AM , "Michael & Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... sent: I did not write this, as I am passing this along to the list from a TCA division newsletter. Mike From: alizoo@... [1] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 4:10 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Timeline You should have said - 1929 purchased Meccano USA from the main shareholder, one Lionel Cowan, who needed the funds in turn to purchase Ives outright. And somewhere along the lines, though the information is blurred and perhaps deliberately obscured, just before the founding of the Mysto company AC became a friend of Frank Hornby and was an agent for the Meccano firm in the USA. It might explain why he was able to use some cloned Meccano parts in the Erector sets without retribution when Hornby was litigating against other copiests. Alistair On Sun 06/02/11 9:46 AM , "Michael & Linda Marmer" mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net sent: The below was sent to me from a past TCA president I am in touch with from the Lakes and Pines division news letter. Mike OK YOU AMERICAN FLYER FANS - THE A.C.GILBERT HISTORY - 1909-1967 1909 Mysto Manufacturing Company is founded with A.C.Gilbert & John Petrie in Westville, Conn. 1911 Mysto Manufacturing incorporates. They explore an idea for Erector. 1913 Erector toys are first announced at New York City Toy Fair. 1916 First successful use of enameled wire for small motors. Mysto Manufacturing Co. becomes the A.C.Gilbert Co. Toy Manufacturers of U.S.A. Founded with A.C. as first president. 1920 „Gilbert Radio Press‟ broadcasts over the 6th licensed radio broadcasting station in USA - WCJ 1922 Opens manufacturing plant in Austria. 1924 Quietly moves machinery from Austria in fear that government will take the business over. 1929 Purchased Meccano Co. of America. Depression Years - had only 2 years of red ink - 32-33. 1931 Addition of locomotive to Erector line. 1935 Microscope introduced. 1938 Purchased American Flyer. 1941 Dedicated Gilbert Hall of Science in NYC with 1500 boys as guests. Sales over $4 million. War Years - Produced flares, mines, booby traps and electric motors for trim tabs of airplanes. 1946 Developed “S” gauge American Flyer. 1950 Broadcast “Boys‟ Railroad Club” on television. 1951 Atomic Energy lab introduced. The air chime whistle and rubber roadbed first appeared. 1952 Atomic Energy lab withdrawn. Knuckle couplers introduced on some trains. Also new was red glow smoke, Pull-Mor engines and dead-man control transformers. 1954 Plastic Engines. 1955 Diesel “roar”. 1957 Changed to 5 digit numbering system. 1958-1959 Began to drop engines - Atlantic, Penn K-5, 0-8-0 switcher, classic Santa Fe Chief. Brought out “Frontiersman” 4-4-0 - a prototype of cheapened products to come. 1961 A.C.Gilbert dies at the age of 76. Family sells 144,000 shares to Wrather Corporation. 1962-1966 Entire American Flyer line reduced. No profits shown. No Gilberts in the Gilbert Co. 1967 Company is no more. Lionel buys American Flyer name and line in June. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 63389	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/6/2011
Subject: Re: AF Timeline

Alistair, Thanks as that is great you brought that up. you show you have great knowledge on the AF company. Most of these I did not know. Mike From: alizoo@... Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 2:19 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Timeline No problems Mike - I was somewhat tongue in cheek anyway but I am sure most people are not aware of either piece of information. Alistair On Mon 07/02/11 1:41 AM , "Michael & Linda Marmer" mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net sent: I did not write this, as I am passing this along to the list from a TCA division newsletter. Mike From: mailto:alizoo%40kern.com.au [1] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 4:10 AM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [2] Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Timeline You should have said - 1929 purchased Meccano USA from the main shareholder, one Lionel Cowan, who needed the funds in turn to purchase Ives outright. And somewhere along the lines, though the information is blurred and perhaps deliberately obscured, just before the founding of the Mysto company AC became a friend of Frank Hornby and was an agent for the Meccano firm in the USA. It might explain why he was able to use some cloned Meccano parts in the Erector sets without retribution when Hornby was litigating against other copiests. Alistair On Sun 06/02/11 9:46 AM , "Michael & Linda Marmer" mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net sent: The below was sent to me from a past TCA president I am in touch with from the Lakes and Pines division news letter. Mike OK YOU AMERICAN FLYER FANS - THE A.C.GILBERT HISTORY - 1909-1967 1909 Mysto Manufacturing Company is founded with A.C.Gilbert & John Petrie in Westville, Conn. 1911 Mysto Manufacturing incorporates. They explore an idea for Erector. 1913 Erector toys are first announced at New York City Toy Fair. 1916 First successful use of enameled wire for small motors. Mysto Manufacturing Co. becomes the A.C.Gilbert Co. Toy Manufacturers of U.S.A. Founded with A.C. as first president. 1920 „Gilbert Radio Press‟ broadcasts over the 6th licensed radio broadcasting station in USA - WCJ 1922 Opens manufacturing plant in Austria. 1924 Quietly moves machinery from Austria in fear that government will take the business over. 1929 Purchased Meccano Co. of America. Depression Years - had only 2 years of red ink - 32-33. 1931 Addition of locomotive to Erector line. 1935 Microscope introduced. 1938 Purchased American Flyer. 1941 Dedicated Gilbert Hall of Science in NYC with 1500 boys as guests. Sales over $4 million. War Years - Produced flares, mines, booby traps and electric motors for trim tabs of airplanes. 1946 Developed “S” gauge American Flyer. 1950 Broadcast “Boys‟ Railroad Club” on television. 1951 Atomic Energy lab introduced. The air chime whistle and rubber roadbed first appeared. 1952 Atomic Energy lab withdrawn. Knuckle couplers introduced on some trains. Also new was red glow smoke, Pull-Mor engines and dead-man control transformers. 1954 Plastic Engines. 1955 Diesel “roar”. 1957 Changed to 5 digit numbering system. 1958-1959 Began to drop engines - Atlantic, Penn K-5, 0-8-0 switcher, classic Santa Fe Chief. Brought out “Frontiersman” 4-4-0 - a prototype of cheapened products to come. 1961 A.C.Gilbert dies at the age of 76. Family sells 144,000 shares to Wrather Corporation. 1962-1966 Entire American Flyer line reduced. No profits shown. No Gilberts in the Gilbert Co. 1967 Company is no more. Lionel buys American Flyer name and line in June. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 63390	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 2/6/2011
Subject: Re: AF Timeline

No Michael just a little interest in Meccano and Erector. Alistair On Mon 07/02/11 5:51 AM , "Michael & Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... sent: Alistair, Thanks as that is great you brought that up. you show you have great knowledge on the AF company. Most of these I did not know. Mike From: alizoo@... [1] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 2:19 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Timeline No problems Mike - I was somewhat tongue in cheek anyway but I am sure most people are not aware of either piece of information. Alistair On Mon 07/02/11 1:41 AM , "Michael & Linda Marmer" mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net sent: I did not write this, as I am passing this along to the list from a TCA division newsletter. Mike From: mailto:alizoo%40kern.com.au [1] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 4:10 AM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [2] Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Timeline You should have said - 1929 purchased Meccano USA from the main shareholder, one Lionel Cowan, who needed the funds in turn to purchase Ives outright. And somewhere along the lines, though the information is blurred and perhaps deliberately obscured, just before the founding of the Mysto company AC became a friend of Frank Hornby and was an agent for the Meccano firm in the USA. It might explain why he was able to use some cloned Meccano parts in the Erector sets without retribution when Hornby was litigating against other copiests. Alistair On Sun 06/02/11 9:46 AM , "Michael & Linda Marmer" mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net sent: The below was sent to me from a past TCA president I am in touch with from the Lakes and Pines division news letter. Mike OK YOU AMERICAN FLYER FANS - THE A.C.GILBERT HISTORY - 1909-1967 1909 Mysto Manufacturing Company is founded with A.C.Gilbert & John Petrie in Westville, Conn. 1911 Mysto Manufacturing incorporates. They explore an idea for Erector. 1913 Erector toys are first announced at New York City Toy Fair. 1916 First successful use of enameled wire for small motors. Mysto Manufacturing Co. becomes the A.C.Gilbert Co. Toy Manufacturers of U.S.A. Founded with A.C. as first president. 1920 „Gilbert Radio Press‟ broadcasts over the 6th licensed radio broadcasting station in USA - WCJ 1922 Opens manufacturing plant in Austria. 1924 Quietly moves machinery from Austria in fear that government will take the business over. 1929 Purchased Meccano Co. of America. Depression Years - had only 2 years of red ink - 32-33. 1931 Addition of locomotive to Erector line. 1935 Microscope introduced. 1938 Purchased American Flyer. 1941 Dedicated Gilbert Hall of Science in NYC with 1500 boys as guests. Sales over $4 million. War Years - Produced flares, mines, booby traps and electric motors for trim tabs of airplanes. 1946 Developed “S” gauge American Flyer. 1950 Broadcast “Boys‟ Railroad Club” on television. 1951 Atomic Energy lab introduced. The air chime whistle and rubber roadbed first appeared. 1952 Atomic Energy lab withdrawn. Knuckle couplers introduced on some trains. Also new was red glow smoke, Pull-Mor engines and dead-man control transformers. 1954 Plastic Engines. 1955 Diesel “roar”. 1957 Changed to 5 digit numbering system. 1958-1959 Began to drop engines - Atlantic, Penn K-5, 0-8-0 switcher, classic Santa Fe Chief. Brought out “Frontiersman” 4-4-0 - a prototype of cheapened products to come. 1961 A.C.Gilbert dies at the age of 76. Family sells 144,000 shares to Wrather Corporation. 1962-1966 Entire American Flyer line reduced. No profits shown. No Gilberts in the Gilbert Co. 1967 Company is no more. Lionel buys American Flyer name and line in June. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 63391	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/6/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/6/2011, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 63392	From: Herbert	Date: 2/6/2011
Subject: Re: AF Timeline

I don't know that Gilbert and Hornby were friends. The story about Gilbert having some kind of relationship with Meccano is very suspect as Gilbert was located in New Haven and Meccano in Albany New York. Let's see some evidence. Herb W --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, alizoo@... wrote: > > > > You should have said - 1929 purchased Meccano USA from the main > shareholder, one Lionel Cowan, who needed the funds in turn to > purchase Ives outright. > And somewhere along the lines, though the information is blurred and > perhaps deliberately obscured, just before the founding of the Mysto > company AC became a friend of Frank Hornby and was an agent for the > Meccano firm in the USA. It might explain why he was able to use some > cloned Meccano parts in the Erector sets without retribution when > Hornby was litigating against other copiests. Alistair > > On Sun 06/02/11 9:46 AM , "Michael & Linda Marmer" > mlmarmer@... sent: > The below was sent to me from a past TCA president I am in touch > with from the Lakes and Pines division news letter. > Mike > OK YOU AMERICAN FLYER FANS - THE A.C.GILBERT HISTORY - 1909-1967 > 1909 Mysto Manufacturing Company is founded with A.C.Gilbert & John > Petrie in Westville, Conn. > 1911 Mysto Manufacturing incorporates. They explore an idea for > Erector. > 1913 Erector toys are first announced at New York City Toy Fair. > 1916 First successful use of enameled wire for small motors. Mysto > Manufacturing Co. becomes the > A.C.Gilbert Co. Toy Manufacturers of U.S.A. Founded with A.C. as > first president. > 1920 „Gilbert Radio Press‟ broadcasts over the 6th licensed > radio broadcasting station in USA - WCJ > 1922 Opens manufacturing plant in Austria. > 1924 Quietly moves machinery from Austria in fear that government > will take the business over. > 1929 Purchased Meccano Co. of America. Depression Years - had only 2 > years of red ink - 32-33. > 1931 Addition of locomotive to Erector line. > 1935 Microscope introduced. > 1938 Purchased American Flyer. > 1941 Dedicated Gilbert Hall of Science in NYC with 1500 boys as > guests. Sales over $4 million. > War Years - Produced flares, mines, booby traps and electric motors > for trim tabs of airplanes. > 1946 Developed “S” gauge American Flyer. > 1950 Broadcast “Boys‟ Railroad Club” on television. > 1951 Atomic Energy lab introduced. The air chime whistle and rubber > roadbed first appeared. > 1952 Atomic Energy lab withdrawn. Knuckle couplers introduced on > some trains. Also new was > red glow smoke, Pull-Mor engines and dead-man control transformers. > 1954 Plastic Engines. 1955 Diesel “roar”. 1957 Changed to 5 > digit numbering system. > 1958-1959 Began to drop engines - Atlantic, Penn K-5, 0-8-0 > switcher, classic Santa Fe Chief. > Brought out “Frontiersman” 4-4-0 - a prototype of cheapened > products to come. > 1961 A.C.Gilbert dies at the age of 76. Family sells 144,000 shares > to Wrather Corporation. > 1962-1966 Entire American Flyer line reduced. No profits shown. No > Gilberts in the Gilbert Co. > 1967 Company is no more. Lionel buys American Flyer name and line in > June. > That‟s > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - > http://www.adam.com.au/ > > Links: > ------ > [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20AF%20Timeline > [2] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbDdsdjE0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzM3NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTY5NTE4MTk-?act=reply&messageNum=63377 > [3] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/63377;_ylc=X3oDMTM0NWoxZmxzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzM3NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTY5NTE4MTkEdHBjSWQDNjMzNzc- > [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63393	From: Jerry	Date: 2/6/2011
Subject: American Models, China, etc.

Here's a quote from our club's (Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers) newsletter concerning the subject line: Ron Bashista filled us in on some of the details regarding the Chinese supplier who will no longer be producing stuff for many of the smaller brands. He states that some of the tooling he owns has been lost over there, and the rest is supposedly being sent back. Ron says he got tired of having his tooling over seas anyway and will probably have even more parts made here. American Models does have sufficient inventory on most things to carry on while replacement sources are found. So there you have it. Take it for what it's worth.... According to Ron, he "has product to sell". Jerry Poniatowski Holed up the the basement in Wayne, MI [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63394	From: rapidrail1	Date: 2/7/2011
Subject: Re: American Models, China, etc.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry" <poniaj@...> wrote: > Ron Bashista - He states that some of the tooling he owns has been lost over > there, and the rest is supposedly being sent back. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > "Lost" Yes, and I also believe in honest politicians! I hope Ron, Don, and every other small producer, and S gauge comes out of this OK. I have enjoyed their products for the last few years. Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63395	From: rapidrail1	Date: 2/7/2011
Subject: Re: American Models, China, etc.

Also, I hope the E8 is NOT part of the tooling lost. I am still hoping Ron does a Southern E8 someday. Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63396	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/7/2011
Subject: Re: TPC 400

I have 3 TPC40os. I use 7A fast blow fuses for protection. One on each block and/or yard stem. The PSX-AC might work just as well and not require fuse replacements, but I wired my layout a few years ago. Also a 4-block unit costs about $150 and I'd need more than one. At the time I tested resettable fuses/protectors and found none of them as truly fast as a good old glass fast blow. I arrived at 7A by trying 1-15A fuses. 1A pops if you wink, and 15A takes too much to feel safe (O gaugers use them). For my Sn42 (On30 loops) with DCC I found 3A fast blows work commensurately well.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63397	From: Brady	Date: 2/7/2011
Subject: TrucTrain Service

I'm curious - is anyone running TrucTrain or other 1950's TOFC service on their layouts? http://kc.pennsyrr.com/freightops/images/tt_m.jpg Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63398	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 2/7/2011
Subject: Re: TrucTrain Service

From: Alan Lambert �Lone Star Flyer Club �Arlington, Texas   Dear Brady, I only have one car with the trailer on it from American Models. I have not built a loading ramp yet, but give me time. I wish I had the onees that S-Helper haveor did have.They were the drive on type. Hope this helps. � Thanks, Alan  --- On Mon, 2/7/11, Brady <brady@...> wrote: From: Brady <brady@...> Subject: [S-Trains] TrucTrain Service To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 7, 2011, 6:10 PM   I'm curious - is anyone running TrucTrain or other 1950's TOFC service on their layouts? http://kc.pennsyrr.com/freightops/images/tt_m.jpg Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63399	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/7/2011
Subject: Re: TrucTrain Service

----- Original Message ----- From: Brady . . . . . is anyone running TrucTrain or other 1950's TOFC service on their layouts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trailers on FlatCars (TOFC) have always been an interest. Both AM and SHS have flat cars with trailer hitches and trailers. There were at one time some diecast S scale trailers available of about a 20 scale foot length, and you could remove the supplied trailer hitch, relocate it forward, and add a second hitch, in order to carry two trailers on one AM or SHS flatcar. TrucTrain was a the PRR's brand name or trade mark for its TOFC service, and to the best of my knowledge it used exclusively their F39 flatcars. Those have the distinctive side railings seen in http://kc.pennsyrr.com/freightops/images/tt_m.jpg that we saw. BTS has a metal (pewter?) kit for that specific car, and I recently completed one. When the PRR first started running those cars they did not use trailer hitches the way all TOFC cars are built today. Apparently they were playing extra safe and had the trailers on their front dolly wheels, chained down with many chains. The trailer hitches were added later. When the PRR and other railroads created the Trailer Train Company in 1955 they transfered all of their F39 flatcars to the new company. That particular car, being 75 ft long, did not last long in TOCF service when the standard length of a semi-trailer went from 35 ft (like the SHS trailers) to 40 ft (like the AM trailers). Here's something else to read. http://kc.pennsyrr.com/freightops/tructrain_overview.php Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63400	From: John Degnan	Date: 2/8/2011
Subject: Re: [nasgmembers] Big Boy and UP Heavyweights

Does it have scale or AF/hi-rail wheels? John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; nasgmembers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 04:30 AM Subject: [nasgmembers] Big Boy and UP Heavyweights I have a Big Boy and a set of UP Heavyweight pass cars as well as a pair of the UP add on cars, all NEW IN BOX for sale. Please contact me off list for details if you are interested. In 4 days they go on Ebay if no response here. Steve.... _snstrains@..._ (mailto:snstrains@...) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63401	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2011
Subject: Big Boy and UP Heavyweights

I have a Big Boy and a set of UP Heavyweight pass cars as well as a pair of the UP add on cars, all NEW IN BOX for sale. Please contact me off list for details if you are interested. In 4 days they go on Ebay if no response here. Steve.... _snstrains@..._ (mailto:snstrains@...) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63402	From: Scott	Date: 2/8/2011
Subject: Flyer Lift Out Bridge

Hey, Im trying to perfect a lift out bridge for flyer. I have gargraves, showcase, and flyer track readily available. I have the power down, but I need help woth alignment. Thanks. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63403	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/8/2011
Subject: Re: Flyer Lift Out Bridge

Hi Scott, When I did this job in the past, I mounted the bridge using 1/4 inch phono plugs - one at each corner. That gave metal-to-metal for alignment, a detent to hold things in place and provided the electrical contacts as well. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 8:12 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Lift Out Bridge Hey, Im trying to perfect a lift out bridge for flyer. I have gargraves, showcase, and flyer track readily available. I have the power down, but I need help woth alignment. Thanks. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63404	From: michael prell	Date: 2/8/2011
Subject: Re: AF Timeline

Gentlemen, From one who,upon reaching the age of reason, (I refuse to be called "adult"-having too much fun being a 65 year old kid) I continue to find the history of various subjects facinating. More importantly, I continue to be in aw of folks such as you, who not only take the time but more importantly the effort to keep this history of AC Gilbert alive and well. Thanks, Guys! Mike-The S-nowed In S-nottpuppy from S-yracuse-Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sun, 2/6/11, alizoo@... <alizoo@...> wrote: From: alizoo@... <alizoo@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Timeline To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 6, 2011, 2:19 PM   No problems Mike - I was somewhat tongue in cheek anyway but I am sure most people are not aware of either piece of information. Alistair On Mon 07/02/11 1:41 AM , "Michael & Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... sent: I did not write this, as I am passing this along to the list from a TCA division newsletter. Mike From: alizoo@... [1] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 4:10 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Timeline You should have said - 1929 purchased Meccano USA from the main shareholder, one Lionel Cowan, who needed the funds in turn to purchase Ives outright. And somewhere along the lines, though the information is blurred and perhaps deliberately obscured, just before the founding of the Mysto company AC became a friend of Frank Hornby and was an agent for the Meccano firm in the USA. It might explain why he was able to use some cloned Meccano parts in the Erector sets without retribution when Hornby was litigating against other copiests. Alistair On Sun 06/02/11 9:46 AM , "Michael & Linda Marmer" mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net sent: The below was sent to me from a past TCA president I am in touch with from the Lakes and Pines division news letter. Mike OK YOU AMERICAN FLYER FANS - THE A.C.GILBERT HISTORY - 1909-1967 1909 Mysto Manufacturing Company is founded with A.C.Gilbert & John Petrie in Westville, Conn. 1911 Mysto Manufacturing incorporates. They explore an idea for Erector. 1913 Erector toys are first announced at New York City Toy Fair. 1916 First successful use of enameled wire for small motors. Mysto Manufacturing Co. becomes the A.C.Gilbert Co. Toy Manufacturers of U.S.A. Founded with A.C. as first president. 1920 „Gilbert Radio Press‟ broadcasts over the 6th licensed radio broadcasting station in USA - WCJ 1922 Opens manufacturing plant in Austria. 1924 Quietly moves machinery from Austria in fear that government will take the business over. 1929 Purchased Meccano Co. of America. Depression Years - had only 2 years of red ink - 32-33. 1931 Addition of locomotive to Erector line. 1935 Microscope introduced. 1938 Purchased American Flyer. 1941 Dedicated Gilbert Hall of Science in NYC with 1500 boys as guests. Sales over $4 million. War Years - Produced flares, mines, booby traps and electric motors for trim tabs of airplanes. 1946 Developed “S” gauge American Flyer. 1950 Broadcast “Boys‟ Railroad Club” on television. 1951 Atomic Energy lab introduced. The air chime whistle and rubber roadbed first appeared. 1952 Atomic Energy lab withdrawn. Knuckle couplers introduced on some trains. Also new was red glow smoke, Pull-Mor engines and dead-man control transformers. 1954 Plastic Engines. 1955 Diesel “roar”. 1957 Changed to 5 digit numbering system. 1958-1959 Began to drop engines - Atlantic, Penn K-5, 0-8-0 switcher, classic Santa Fe Chief. Brought out “Frontiersman” 4-4-0 - a prototype of cheapened products to come. 1961 A.C.Gilbert dies at the age of 76. Family sells 144,000 shares to Wrather Corporation. 1962-1966 Entire American Flyer line reduced. No profits shown. No Gilberts in the Gilbert Co. 1967 Company is no more. Lionel buys American Flyer name and line in June. That‟s [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ [3] Links: ------ [1] mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20AF%20Timeline [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbDdsdjE0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzM3NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTY5NTE4MTk-?act=reply&messageNum=63377 [4] [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/63377;_ylc=X3oDMTM0NWoxZmxzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzM3NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTY5NTE4MTkEdHBjSWQDNjMzNzc- [5] [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [6] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:alizoo@... [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] http://www.adam.com.au/ [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbDdsdjE0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzM3NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTY5NTE4MTk-?act=reply&messageNum=63377 [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/63377;_ylc=X3oDMTM0NWoxZmxzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzM3NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTY5NTE4MTkEdHBjSWQDNjMzNzc- [6] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [7] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20AF%20Timeline [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvZXB0ZmNwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzM4NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTcwMTEyNzU-?act=reply&messageNum=63387 [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/63377;_ylc=X3oDMTM0YmQ2N2k3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzM4NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTcwMTEyNzUEdHBjSWQDNjMzNzc- [10] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63405	From: Bill Lane	Date: 2/8/2011
Subject: Reading/CNJ Urethane roofs for sale

All, I have reported the progress on this project over the past 6 months on the S Scale list, but I thought I would share it here as well. I have contracted to have urethane roofs made to fit this series of American Models cars http://www.americanmodels.com/rolling.stock/72.foot.pass.html The roofs will fit all of those cars except for the observation. You can convert your cars to look much more closely into Reading cars for all of your Reading Atlantics. http://www.lanestrains.com/Reading_Roof.jpg The top photo shows a sample roof right out of the box and put on a car I painted. It is usable as is with a glossy finish. The roof is such a perfect fit it stays on without glue of any kind. It does require some minor alterations to the body shell by removing the peak over the end doors to get the roof to fit. You would essentially be making the top of the car perfectly flat. I did a car in about 10 minutes. The roofs are $25.00 each plus shipping. Reply directly to bill@... if you are interested. This will be a one-time project. I am not ordering any extras to "stock" and sell later. If you want any now is the time to get them. There are NO refunds or returns for ANY reason. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: <http://www.lanestrains.com/> http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Custom Train Parts Design <http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm> http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) <http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls> http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! <http://www.prrths.com/> http://www.prrths.com <http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf> http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! <http://www.prslhs.com/> http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63406	From: Timboy	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Hi Everyone! Since a lot of people have asked me just exactly what my "oatmeal" recipe was, I decided that is was time to publish it. So that is my blog post for today. I hope it will be useful to future S-Gauge builders. http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy, The S-Gauge Nerd

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63407	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: M2 50s vehicles

Howdy, Stopped at WalMart tonight and found some M2 vehicles for under $5. One is a 1950 Studebaker P/U truck with a snow plow on it! Unfortunately they put some rectangular lights on the plow, totally out of period, but looks like they can be easily snipped off.This is in the "Auto-trucks" series, release 15. #10-25. There were some other 50s cars too, part of the "Auto-thentics" series. The other car I picked up is a Jada '59 Cadillac Eldorado police car, "Badge City Heat" that was under $3! So, once in a while stuff does show up! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63408	From: sgaugian	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles

Glad you found some M2s. I check our local Target, K-Mart, and Walmart stores periodically and never find M2. Did get the recent Studebaker tow truck at a reasonable price though - - online dealer.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63409	From: Rhett George	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: Re: Flyer Lift Out Bridge

- GreetingS - Amongst the Atlantic Coast S Gauge modules are several hinged lift bridges. Bill Porter has the neat solution for a lift up, out, and away bridge. The use of electronic gear plugs and jacks to align the four corners is a won- derful idea. Please let me note that these are called phone plugs, not phono plugs. These are distinctly different critters. The ordinary phone is commonly 1/4" diameter. There is an uncommon ~0.21" diameter also. These are quite sturdy. The 1/8" dia and yet smaller sizes are not quite as sturdy. The phono plug has no detent. It was more common in the audio and stereo audio equipment for connecting phonos, tuners, and other devices to ampli- fiers. It was also known as an RCA phono plug. Bill, thanks for the suggestion. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63410	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: Re: Flyer Lift Out Bridge

Absolutely right as rain Rhett on the phone and phono thing. I wonder what got into me. I did receive a question offline about photos of the setup. Sadly, it was along ago and I do not have any pictures. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhett George Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 2:09 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Flyer Lift Out Bridge - GreetingS - Amongst the Atlantic Coast S Gauge modules are several hinged lift bridges. Bill Porter has the neat solution for a lift up, out, and away bridge. The use of electronic gear plugs and jacks to align the four corners is a won- derful idea. Please let me note that these are called phone plugs, not phono plugs. These are distinctly different critters. The ordinary phone is commonly 1/4" diameter. There is an uncommon ~0.21" diameter also. These are quite sturdy. The 1/8" dia and yet smaller sizes are not quite as sturdy. The phono plug has no detent. It was more common in the audio and stereo audio equipment for connecting phonos, tuners, and other devices to ampli- fiers. It was also known as an RCA phono plug. Bill, thanks for the suggestion. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63411	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles

That tow truck is awesome. Mike From: sgaugian Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 1:54 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: M2 50s vehicles Glad you found some M2s. I check our local Target, K-Mart, and Walmart stores periodically and never find M2. Did get the recent Studebaker tow truck at a reasonable price though - - online dealer. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63412	From: David	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles

Hi All, Did anyone else get one of the M@ flamed tow trucks (only 492 produced)? Now all I have to do is decide where to place it on the layout!! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > That tow truck is awesome. > > Mike > > From: sgaugian > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 1:54 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: M2 50s vehicles > > > > Glad you found some M2s. I check our local Target, K-Mart, and Walmart > stores periodically and never find M2. Did get the recent Studebaker > tow truck at a reasonable price though - - online dealer. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63413	From: acgilbertflyer	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: 48136 SF B unit

Anyone have a current value for the 48136 SF B unit MIB? Someone has made me an offer on mine, and I am trying to decide whether to let it go or not.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63414	From: richs009	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: Re: Flyer Lift Out Bridge

Rhett -- any possibility of seeing some of the lift bridge designs/pictures? I looked quickly on the ACSG site and didn't see any photos or discussion, but maybe I didn't look in the right place. thanks, Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rhett George <rtg@...> wrote: > > > - GreetingS - > > Amongst the Atlantic Coast S Gauge modules are several hinged lift bridges. > Bill Porter has the neat solution for a lift up, out, and away bridge. The > use of electronic gear plugs and jacks to align the four corners is a won- > derful idea. Please let me note that these are called phone plugs, not > phono plugs. These are distinctly different critters. The ordinary phone > is commonly 1/4" diameter. There is an uncommon ~0.21" diameter also. > These are quite sturdy. The 1/8" dia and yet smaller sizes are not quite > as sturdy. > > The phono plug has no detent. It was more common in the audio and stereo > audio equipment for connecting phonos, tuners, and other devices to ampli- > fiers. It was also known as an RCA phono plug. > > Bill, thanks for the suggestion. CheerS, > > Rhett >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63415	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles

Dave, I have learned in life, if you like something, whether a train item or not, DON’T wait, because they will be gone. I am sure you can find a place for it. Have it on the road picking up a car with some people outside. I can send you a picture of what I did with mine. That picture made the 1stopdiecast blog. Mike From: David Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 5:28 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: M2 50s vehicles Hi All, Did anyone else get one of the M@ flamed tow trucks (only 492 produced)? Now all I have to do is decide where to place it on the layout!! BG1 --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > That tow truck is awesome. > > Mike > > From: sgaugian > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 1:54 PM > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: M2 50s vehicles > > > > Glad you found some M2s. I check our local Target, K-Mart, and Walmart > stores periodically and never find M2. Did get the recent Studebaker > tow truck at a reasonable price though - - online dealer. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63416	From: Brady	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: Re: TrucTrain Service

<< I only have one car with the trailer on it from American Models. I have not built a loading ramp yet, but give me time. I wish I had the onees that S-Helper haveor did have.They were the drive on type. Hope this helps. >> Alan, It does, I took another look and noticed that they are different types of flats. SHS appears to have a few still on-hand, but they're $62 each. FWIW Port Lines sells the Gilbert types with the (HO scale?) trailers. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63417	From: Brady	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: Re: TrucTrain Service

Tom, That's great information, thank you. I couldn't find the BTS F39 Flatcar kit on ther web site, do you happen to have the kit or part number? Thanks again, Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63418	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: Re: 48136 SF B unit

145 in E add 60% for mint? Value from 2011 Greenberg,add 60% for mint from the TM book. From: acgilbertflyer Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 6:44 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 48136 SF B unit Anyone have a current value for the 48136 SF B unit MIB? Someone has made me an offer on mine, and I am trying to decide whether to let it go or not. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63419	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: Re: TrucTrain Service

----- Original Message ----- From: Brady That's great information, thank you. I couldn't find the BTS F39 Flatcar kit on ther web site, do you happen to have the kit or part number? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's here, but listed as "out of stock." http://www.btsrr.com/bts9203.htm Bill mentioned recently the possibility of rerunning it, but I don't know if he got much encouragement. It's not a simple kit like the old AM boxcars were; it's a little tricky and a little tedious. And it might not go well on AF curves, being 75 scale feet long. But it that doesn't discourage you, let me know, and I might know where one could find a kit or two. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63420	From: tbennerohio	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: electronic reverse unit in SIT Hudson

Hello again folks, The story: a few years back, when just getting back into AF, I bought a 322 SIT for probably way too much money. It is ugly with some dry transfer lettering, some original and a lot of miles. Since then it has gotten a flywheel can motor and a can motor to drive the SIT... still ugly, but what a runner! Except for one thing, the reverse unit. The question: has anyone been able to squeeze an electronic reverse unit into a SIT Hudson? I would like to leave the original one in there if possible. Thanks and regards, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63421	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2011
Subject: Re: electronic reverse unit in SIT Hudson

You can fit a Dallee 518 (2 amp) in the boiler if you remove the current reverse unit, OR..You can put one in the tender but you will need to run two more wires to the boiler. I have done a few, but only one in the tender itself. That was just about a month ago. Steve In a message dated 2/9/2011 7:05:46 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, tim.benner@... writes: Hello again folks, The story: a few years back, when just getting back into AF, I bought a 322 SIT for probably way too much money. It is ugly with some dry transfer lettering, some original and a lot of miles. Since then it has gotten a flywheel can motor and a can motor to drive the SIT... still ugly, but what a runner! Except for one thing, the reverse unit. The question: has anyone been able to squeeze an electronic reverse unit into a SIT Hudson? I would like to leave the original one in there if possible. Thanks and regards, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63422	From: Obie Bell	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: 48136 SF B unit

Certainly don't want to start a discussion on the merits of e-Bay but the last couple of these units I have seen sold for $400.00 each. Would be interested to hear if this was a low production item as I don't see them often in comparison with B-units using other road names. Obie To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: robbe_wan@... Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 23:44:29 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] 48136 SF B unit Anyone have a current value for the 48136 SF B unit MIB? Someone has made me an offer on mine, and I am trying to decide whether to let it go or not. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63423	From: David	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles

Hi Mike, I saw your M2 on your layout on the 1stopdiecast blog. I've got the 1954 Studebaker tow truck cruising my layout looking for wrecks to haul - lol. I'll probably put the 1949 flamed Studebaker tow truck at my hot rod filling station where all the "motor heads" hang out. ttyl, David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > > Dave, > > I have learned in life, if you like something, whether a train item or not, DON’T wait, because they will be gone. > > I am sure you can find a place for it. > > Have it on the road picking up a car with some people outside. > > I can send you a picture of what I did with mine. > > That picture made the 1stopdiecast blog. > > Mike > From: David > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 5:28 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: M2 50s vehicles > > > Hi All, > > Did anyone else get one of the M@ flamed tow trucks (only 492 produced)? Now all I have to do is decide where to place it on the layout!! > > BG1 > > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@> wrote: > > > > That tow truck is awesome. > > > > Mike > > > > From: sgaugian > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 1:54 PM > > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: M2 50s vehicles > > > > > > > > Glad you found some M2s. I check our local Target, K-Mart, and Walmart > > stores periodically and never find M2. Did get the recent Studebaker > > tow truck at a reasonable price though - - online dealer. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63424	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles

I don't recall seeing a flamed tow truck by M2.  What series is it in?   Al --- On Thu, 2/10/11, David <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: From: David <bull_gator_1@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: M2 50s vehicles To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 7:44 AM   Hi Mike, I saw your M2 on your layout on the 1stopdiecast blog. I've got the 1954 Studebaker tow truck cruising my layout looking for wrecks to haul - lol. I'll probably put the 1949 flamed Studebaker tow truck at my hot rod filling station where all the "motor heads" hang out. ttyl, David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > > Dave, > > I have learned in life, if you like something, whether a train item or not, DON’T wait, because they will be gone. > > I am sure you can find a place for it. > > Have it on the road picking up a car with some people outside. > > I can send you a picture of what I did with mine. > > That picture made the 1stopdiecast blog. > > Mike > From: David > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 5:28 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: M2 50s vehicles > > > Hi All, > > Did anyone else get one of the M@ flamed tow trucks (only 492 produced)? Now all I have to do is decide where to place it on the layout!! > > BG1 > > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@> wrote: > > > > That tow truck is awesome. > > > > Mike > > > > From: sgaugian > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 1:54 PM > > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: M2 50s vehicles > > > > > > > > Glad you found some M2s. I check our local Target, K-Mart, and Walmart > > stores periodically and never find M2. Did get the recent Studebaker > > tow truck at a reasonable price though - - online dealer. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63425	From: rick gough	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles

Tow truck ...???....how many layouts have a '37 Cord cruising down the street? Ha! rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63426	From: David	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles

This was an exclusive run of 492 units for Milezone. You can see it here: http://www.milezone.com/flames-the-series-49-studebaker-tow-truck-pre-order-flames23.html Starting price on eBay is $19.97. Milezone's price is $10.99 so I got mine from the source and saved $$$! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, albert paolozzi <amflyral@...> wrote: > > I don't recall seeing a flamed tow truck by M2.  What series is it in?   Al > > --- On Thu, 2/10/11, David <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > From: David <bull_gator_1@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: M2 50s vehicles > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 7:44 AM > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > I saw your M2 on your layout on the 1stopdiecast blog. I've got the 1954 Studebaker tow truck cruising my layout looking for wrecks to haul - lol. I'll probably put the 1949 flamed Studebaker tow truck at my hot rod filling station where all the "motor heads" hang out. > > > > ttyl, > > > > David > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dave, > > > > > > I have learned in life, if you like something, whether a train item or not, DON’T wait, because they will be gone. > > > > > > I am sure you can find a place for it. > > > > > > Have it on the road picking up a car with some people outside. > > > > > > I can send you a picture of what I did with mine. > > > > > > That picture made the 1stopdiecast blog. > > > > > > Mike > > > From: David > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 5:28 PM > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: M2 50s vehicles > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Did anyone else get one of the M@ flamed tow trucks (only 492 produced)? Now all I have to do is decide where to place it on the layout!! > > > > > > BG1 > > > > > > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > That tow truck is awesome. > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > From: sgaugian > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 1:54 PM > > > > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: M2 50s vehicles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Glad you found some M2s. I check our local Target, K-Mart, and Walmart > > > > stores periodically and never find M2. Did get the recent Studebaker > > > > tow truck at a reasonable price though - - online dealer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63427	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles

Nearly as I can tell it was a custom run of 400+ done for an online diecast seller. They are still available on eBay. Roy on 2/10/11 10:53 AM, albert paolozzi at amflyral@... wrote: > > > > > > I don't recall seeing a flamed tow truck by M2.  What series is it in?   Al > > --- On Thu, 2/10/11, David <bull_gator_1@... > <mailto:bull_gator_1%40yahoo.com> > wrote: > > From: David <bull_gator_1@... <mailto:bull_gator_1%40yahoo.com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: M2 50s vehicles > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 7:44 AM > >   > > Hi Mike, > > I saw your M2 on your layout on the 1stopdiecast blog. I've got the 1954 > Studebaker tow truck cruising my layout looking for wrecks to haul - lol. > I'll probably put the 1949 flamed Studebaker tow truck at my hot rod filling > station where all the "motor heads" hang out. > > ttyl, > > David > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "Michael > & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > Dave, > >> > > >> > I have learned in life, if you like something, whether a train item or not, >> DON’T wait, because they will be gone. > >> > > >> > I am sure you can find a place for it. > >> > > >> > Have it on the road picking up a car with some people outside. > >> > > >> > I can send you a picture of what I did with mine. > >> > > >> > That picture made the 1stopdiecast blog. > >> > > >> > Mike > >> > From: David > >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 5:28 PM > >> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: M2 50s vehicles > >> > > >> > > >> > Hi All, > >> > > >> > Did anyone else get one of the M@ flamed tow trucks (only 492 produced)? >> Now all I have to do is decide where to place it on the layout!! > >> > > >> > BG1 > >> > > >> > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" >> <mlmarmer@> wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > That tow truck is awesome. > >>> > > > >>> > > Mike > >>> > > > >>> > > From: sgaugian > >>> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 1:54 PM > >>> > > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > >>> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: M2 50s vehicles > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Glad you found some M2s. I check our local Target, K-Mart, and Walmart > >>> > > stores periodically and never find M2. Did get the recent Studebaker > >>> > > tow truck at a reasonable price though - - online dealer. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >>> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63428	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles

David. Oops, I did not realize these are two different tow trucks. I see now they are not the same. But anyway, if you really like something, don’t let it pass you by if you can afford it. You will regret it later. LOL I hope not. reminds me of a VISA commercial where some guy sees some Cowboy boots in a store and he lets them go. Only later to be on a pay phone, before cell phones getting them with his visa card. I am sure you can find a place for it, as you need competition to control the tow truck shark on your layout. LOL Best with this. Mike From: David Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 10:44 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: M2 50s vehicles Hi Mike, I saw your M2 on your layout on the 1stopdiecast blog. I've got the 1954 Studebaker tow truck cruising my layout looking for wrecks to haul - lol. I'll probably put the 1949 flamed Studebaker tow truck at my hot rod filling station where all the "motor heads" hang out. ttyl, David --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > > Dave, > > I have learned in life, if you like something, whether a train item or not, DON’T wait, because they will be gone. > > I am sure you can find a place for it. > > Have it on the road picking up a car with some people outside. > > I can send you a picture of what I did with mine. > > That picture made the 1stopdiecast blog. > > Mike > From: David > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 5:28 PM > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: M2 50s vehicles > > > Hi All, > > Did anyone else get one of the M@ flamed tow trucks (only 492 produced)? Now all I have to do is decide where to place it on the layout!! > > BG1 > > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@> wrote: > > > > That tow truck is awesome. > > > > Mike > > > > From: sgaugian > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 1:54 PM > > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: M2 50s vehicles > > > > > > > > Glad you found some M2s. I check our local Target, K-Mart, and Walmart > > stores periodically and never find M2. Did get the recent Studebaker > > tow truck at a reasonable price though - - online dealer. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63429	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles

Thanks David for the link. No, I did not order one, LOL, but again, if these are limited and you like it and it is worth 20 to you right now, go for it. Best, let us know if you get one. I hear one of the track gang workers drives the truck part time, to pay for the new air hoses. Mike From: David Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:11 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: M2 50s vehicles This was an exclusive run of 492 units for Milezone. You can see it here: http://www.milezone.com/flames-the-series-49-studebaker-tow-truck-pre-order-flames23.html Starting price on eBay is $19.97. Milezone's price is $10.99 so I got mine from the source and saved $$$! BG1 --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, albert paolozzi <amflyral@...> wrote: > > I don't recall seeing a flamed tow truck by M2. What series is it in?  Al > > --- On Thu, 2/10/11, David <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > From: David <bull_gator_1@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: M2 50s vehicles > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 7:44 AM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > I saw your M2 on your layout on the 1stopdiecast blog. I've got the 1954 Studebaker tow truck cruising my layout looking for wrecks to haul - lol. I'll probably put the 1949 flamed Studebaker tow truck at my hot rod filling station where all the "motor heads" hang out. > > > > ttyl, > > > > David > > > > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dave, > > > > > > I have learned in life, if you like something, whether a train item or not, DON’T wait, because they will be gone. > > > > > > I am sure you can find a place for it. > > > > > > Have it on the road picking up a car with some people outside. > > > > > > I can send you a picture of what I did with mine. > > > > > > That picture made the 1stopdiecast blog. > > > > > > Mike > > > From: David > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 5:28 PM > > > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: M2 50s vehicles > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Did anyone else get one of the M@ flamed tow trucks (only 492 produced)? Now all I have to do is decide where to place it on the layout!! > > > > > > BG1 > > > > > > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > That tow truck is awesome. > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > From: sgaugian > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 1:54 PM > > > > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: M2 50s vehicles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Glad you found some M2s. I check our local Target, K-Mart, and Walmart > > > > stores periodically and never find M2. Did get the recent Studebaker > > > > tow truck at a reasonable price though - - online dealer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63430	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles

Well, this is a 1949 Studebaker tow truck. Pretty fancy it is too, what with the multi-colored flames and all :) Wish I could find a Œ37 Cord in 1/64th :) Roy on 2/10/11 3:42 PM, rick gough at racin510@... wrote: > > > > > > Tow truck ...???....how many layouts have a '37 Cord cruising down the street? > Ha! > > rick gough > mudshark datsun > 510 racing > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63431	From: Brady	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: TrucTrain Service

> It's here, but listed as "out of stock." > > http://www.btsrr.com/bts9203.htm Tom A very nice car but too long. I think I'll keep my eye out for junker Gilbert flats at the local meets. Thanks again, Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63432	From: Jerry	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles

Roy, I'll look in my "stash" in the train room and if I have a spare one, I'll let you know. Way too many cars. If I put them all on the layout, there would be a massive traffic jam! Jerry Poniatowski Holed up in the basement in Wayne, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > .......Wish I could find a Œ37 Cord in 1/64th :) > Roy >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63433	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles

Thanks Jerry :) BTW, how far are you from Three Rivers? I lived there as a younggin. Roy on 2/10/11 5:46 PM, Jerry at poniaj@... wrote: > > > > > > Roy, > > I'll look in my "stash" in the train room and if I have a spare one, I'll let > you know. Way too many cars. If I put them all on the layout, there would be > a massive traffic jam! > > Jerry Poniatowski > Holed up in the basement in Wayne, MI > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , Roy > Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: >> > > >> > .......Wish I could find a Œ37 Cord in 1/64th :) >> > Roy > >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63434	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Fwd: Question About S

If Kadee & Micro Trains can be made in the US & make a profit, why not SHS & American Models ? Just down the road from both, Mike in Ore ____________________________________ From: mail@... To: anormal1@... Sent: 2/10/2011 7:30:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time Subj: Re: Question About S Hello Mr. Strickland, They certainly are, even the boxes they come in, 100% made right here in our own little shop in White City, Oregon...U.S.A. Sam Clarke Kadee Quality Products -------------------------------------------------- From: <anormal1@...> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 5:32 PM To: <mail@...> Cc: <anormal1@...> Subject: Question About S > ========================================================================== > Name: Mike Strickland > E-mail: anormal1@... > Retail > ========================================================================== > Remarks: > Are your cars made in the USA? Mike > > You should receive a copy of this e-mail. > If you don't receive an e-mail then you will need to contact Kadee®. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63435	From: Jerry	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles

Roy, I'm only about 140 miles from there. Just a small jaunt down the road. ;>) I found two that are for sale. A red one (no packaging) and a cream colored one (NIB). I paid $4 or $5 for them, so $5 plus shipping and either one is yours. If you want a photo, contact me off list. Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > Thanks Jerry :) > BTW, how far are you from Three Rivers? I lived there as a younggin. > Roy > > > on 2/10/11 5:46 PM, Jerry at poniaj@... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Roy, > > > > I'll look in my "stash" in the train room and if I have a spare one, I'll let > > you know. Way too many cars. If I put them all on the layout, there would be > > a massive traffic jam! > > > > Jerry Poniatowski > > Holed up in the basement in Wayne, MI > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , Roy > > Inman <rinphoto@> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > .......Wish I could find a Œ37 Cord in 1/64th :) > >> > Roy > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63436	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Train Find

Who needs a train show to find a mint in box item, when you can find them in your own basement, really. That happen today. I was going through some things in the basement, non train things and I found this mint in box American Models box car kit, number 132, Canadian Pacific with a price tag of 20 on it. I remember where I go this, as we got this in Wells Maine at Doug Peck stall at a antique store in 1992! I did not have a layout at the time, but we got it because we like beavers and the beaver logo is on the car for the CP. So, I will have to make this kit now. that car has been in my basement for 19 years untouched! On another note, today I ordered paint from Weaver’s to paint my last unfinished SHS box car, as this will be my Lunardi Food Service car with Frosty Acres on it. Lunardi was my first food sales job to restaurants as they sold out in 1988 to another company in Baltimore. Frosty Acres is a private label for food service product, as the logo looks like a red flag. Dave at LBR made me the decals for this car. http://www.frostyacres.com/ The Frosty Acres red logo can be seen at the top of the website. The car will not have the other part with it. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63437	From: David	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles

Jerry, I checked my inventory and I have just under 200 autos and 96 trucks. Plus over 30 farm tractors and other miscellaneous farm equipment, graders, bulldozers, etc. I'm not sure my layout would hold them all bumper to bumper - lol. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry" <poniaj@...> wrote: > > Roy, > > I'll look in my "stash" in the train room and if I have a spare one, I'll let you know. Way too many cars. If I put them all on the layout, there would be a massive traffic jam! > > Jerry Poniatowski > Holed up in the basement in Wayne, MI > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@> wrote: > > > > > .......Wish I could find a Œ37 Cord in 1/64th :) > > Roy > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63438	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 2/10/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles

Rick, My layout has two Cords...a '36 Westchester 810 and a '37 Phaeton 812. Both are nice models. Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rick gough <racin510@...> wrote: > > Tow truck ...???....how many layouts have a '37 Cord cruising down the street? Ha! > > rick gough > mudshark datsun > 510 racing > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63439	From: Tony Gervasio	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: Train Find

Did this once when I discovered a mint in box Lionel Desert King SSS amongst my collection while we were packing to move into our new house.  I love serendipity when it happens like that! Tony Gervasio ________________________________ From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: Toy Trains <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; S Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; S Scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; Steve Conard <steve.conard@...>; John Picur <jppicur@...> Sent: Thu, February 10, 2011 8:49:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Train Find   Who needs a train show to find a mint in box item, when you can find them in your own basement, really. That happen today. I was going through some things in the basement, non train things and I found this mint in box American Models box car kit, number 132, Canadian Pacific with a price tag of 20 on it. I remember where I go this, as we got this in Wells Maine at Doug Peck stall at a antique store in 1992! I did not have a layout at the time, but we got it because we like beavers and the beaver logo is on the car for the CP. So, I will have to make this kit now. that car has been in my basement for 19 years untouched! On another note, today I ordered paint from Weaver’s to paint my last unfinished SHS box car, as this will be my Lunardi Food Service car with Frosty Acres on it. Lunardi was my first food sales job to restaurants as they sold out in 1988 to another company in Baltimore. Frosty Acres is a private label for food service product, as the logo looks like a red flag. Dave at LBR made me the decals for this car. http://www.frostyacres.com/ The Frosty Acres red logo can be seen at the top of the website. The car will not have the other part with it. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63440	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Big Boy

The new in box Big Boy I advertised yesterday has been sold. Thanks for your interest. Steve SnS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63441	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: Fwd: Question About S

volume... On Feb 10, 2011, at 8:42 PM, anormal1@... wrote: > If Kadee & Micro Trains can be made in the US & make a profit, why > not SHS > & American Models ? Just down the road from both, Mike in Ore > > > > ____________________________________ > From: mail@... > To: anormal1@... > Sent: 2/10/2011 7:30:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time > Subj: Re: Question About S > > Hello Mr. Strickland, > > They certainly are, even the boxes they come in, 100% made right > here in > our > own little shop in White City, Oregon...U.S.A. > > Sam Clarke > Kadee Quality Products > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: <anormal1@...> > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 5:32 PM > To: <mail@...> > Cc: <anormal1@...> > Subject: Question About S > > > > = > = > = > = > ====================================================================== > > Name: Mike Strickland > > E-mail: anormal1@... > > Retail > > > = > = > = > = > ====================================================================== > > Remarks: > > Are your cars made in the USA? Mike > > > > You should receive a copy of this e-mail. > > If you don't receive an e-mail then you will need to contact Kadee�. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63442	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: Fwd: Question About S

The secret is HOW they get that volume. Did you know, to be a Kadee or Micro-Trains dealer, you have to take so many of EACH new freight car every month? Go into a hobby shop that stocks the HO freight cars, for example, and you'll usually see LOTS of them. The nicely decorated cars, such as Central of Georgia with the silver "football", or Rutland green and yellow are GONE, but, what happens with the "dogs", such as KCS that are just reporting marks on a boxcar red car? THAT is what you usually find in those shops. Then, to make things worse, they re-run some of those dogs with a different number! Walthers pulled the same kind of trick some years ago with freight cars and building kits. It was AMAZING (and scary) to see that stuff piled up on dealers' shelves, and few people wanted it, either. Life-Like pulled almost the same thing with their Proto 2000 locomotives. They were nice, but again, dealers usually bought too much, and you'll probably see a lot of it on a dealer's shelf, even today. I'm sure Don can tell you about shops who got a little too zealous, and have inventory that they just can't sell, and probably won't. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Don Thompson <don@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fwd: Question About S Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 07:26:54 -0500 volume... On Feb 10, 2011, at 8:42 PM, anormal1@... wrote: > If Kadee & Micro Trains can be made in the US & make a profit, why > not SHS > & American Models ? Just down the road from both, Mike in Ore > > > > ____________________________________ > From: mail@... > To: anormal1@... > Sent: 2/10/2011 7:30:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time > Subj: Re: Question About S > > Hello Mr. Strickland, > > They certainly are, even the boxes they come in, 100% made right > here in > our > own little shop in White City, Oregon...U.S.A. > > Sam Clarke > Kadee Quality Products > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: <anormal1@...> > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 5:32 PM > To: <mail@...> > Cc: <anormal1@...> > Subject: Question About S > > > > = > = > = > = > ====================================================================== > > Name: Mike Strickland > > E-mail: anormal1@... > > Retail > > > = > = > = > = > ====================================================================== > > Remarks: > > Are your cars made in the USA? Mike > > > > You should receive a copy of this e-mail. > > If you don't receive an e-mail then you will need to contact Kadee®. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links ____________________________________________________________ Kill Your Wrinkles Mom Reveals Shocking $5 method for erasing wrinkles...Doctors hate her http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d553ea07a1392dddf5st01duc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63443	From: Jerry	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles

BG1, Yup, you've stated a "problem" many of us have: a LOT of cars, trucks and other vehicles! That's why I'm in the process of building a new layout with actual streets and a town featuring full buildings rather than "flats". I have quite a few vehicles mounted on the wall in display fashion, but also quite a few for layout use. I shudder to think exactly how many I have. Better I don't take inventory. Denial is more than a river in Egypt! ;>) Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Jerry, > > I checked my inventory and I have just under 200 autos and 96 trucks. Plus over 30 farm tractors and other miscellaneous farm equipment, graders, bulldozers, etc. I'm not sure my layout would hold them all bumper to bumper - lol. > > BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63444	From: Alan Evans	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: S Spree is April 29 and 30

The all S Spring S Spree will be held in Hilliard April 29 and 30. Hosted by the Central Ohio S Gauge club. Want to be an "absentee vendor"? Contact John Gafney jgafney@... for details! Visit www.cosg.org for more information. Alan Evans [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63445	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: Fwd: Question About S

There we go again: According to an MR poll in the 1990's, HO-ers are about 60% of the modeling world, S about 3%. So HO has 20X our numbers, at least back then. S gaugers are about the same percentage, last time I looked, as Mac users (3%). Compared to Windows users-(95%). Tough market... Roy on 2/11/11 7:48 AM, schwartzsj@... at schwartzsj@... wrote: > The secret is HOW they get that volume. Did you know, to be a Kadee or > Micro-Trains dealer, you have to take so many of EACH new freight car every > month? Go into a hobby shop that stocks the HO freight cars, for example, and > you'll usually see LOTS of them. The nicely decorated cars, such as Central of > Georgia with the silver "football", or Rutland green and yellow are GONE, but, > what happens with the "dogs", such as KCS that are just reporting marks on a > boxcar red car? THAT is what you usually find in those shops. Then, to make > things worse, they re-run some of those dogs with a different number! > Walthers pulled the same kind of trick some years ago with freight cars > and building kits. It was AMAZING (and scary) to see that stuff piled up on > dealers' shelves, and few people wanted it, either. Life-Like pulled almost > the same thing with their Proto 2000 locomotives. They were nice, but again, > dealers usually bought too much, and you'll probably see a lot of it on a > dealer's shelf, even today. > > I'm sure Don can tell you about shops who got a little too zealous, and have > inventory that they just can't sell, and probably won't. > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Don Thompson <don@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fwd: Question About S > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 07:26:54 -0500 > > volume... > > On Feb 10, 2011, at 8:42 PM, anormal1@... wrote: > >> If Kadee & Micro Trains can be made in the US & make a profit, why >> not SHS >> & American Models ? Just down the road from both, Mike in Ore >> >> >> >> ____________________________________ >> From: mail@... >> To: anormal1@... >> Sent: 2/10/2011 7:30:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time >> Subj: Re: Question About S >> >> Hello Mr. Strickland, >> >> They certainly are, even the boxes they come in, 100% made right >> here in >> our >> own little shop in White City, Oregon...U.S.A. >> >> Sam Clarke >> Kadee Quality Products >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: <anormal1@...> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 5:32 PM >> To: <mail@...> >> Cc: <anormal1@...> >> Subject: Question About S >> >>> >> = >> = >> = >> = >> ====================================================================== >>> Name: Mike Strickland >>> E-mail: anormal1@... >>> Retail >>> >> = >> = >> = >> = >> ====================================================================== >>> Remarks: >>> Are your cars made in the USA? Mike >>> >>> You should receive a copy of this e-mail. >>> If you don't receive an e-mail then you will need to contact Kadee®. >>> >>> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Kill Your Wrinkles > Mom Reveals Shocking $5 method for erasing wrinkles...Doctors hate > her > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d553ea07a1392dddf5st01duc > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63446	From: Martin A. Johnson	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles - Flames

The flamed Tow Truck is NOT a custom run for online seller. In nearly every "set" released by M2. They include a limited number of "Chase" vehicles. Limited edition, special graphics, in this set it was the Wrecker. in the next set, it was a Black and Gold Chevy Truck. Marty P.S., guys please remember to "trim" your responses. I get the digest, and 3/4 of it is old posts duplicated. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63447	From: David	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles - Flames

Marty, Sorry to diagree with you, but the 1949 Studebaker tow truck with flames is indeed a special run of 492 for Milezone. The other flamed tow truck (the chase truck) is the 1954 Studebaker tow truck normally painted light blue. M2 does include a random number of these painted black with flames. So there are two flamed tow trucks - the random 1954 as part of the Auto-Thentics line and the special exclusive Milezone 1949. The quantity of the 1949 produced is 492. I have not seen a reported number produced for the 1954 chase truck - it may be more or less than 492 - who knows? BTW - Milezone has other exclusive models from M2, Johnny Lightnin and other manufacturers. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Martin A. Johnson" <skally@...> wrote: > > The flamed Tow Truck is NOT a custom run for online seller. > > In nearly every "set" released by M2. They include a limited number of "Chase" vehicles. Limited edition, special graphics, in this set it was the Wrecker. in the next set, it was a Black and Gold Chevy Truck. > > Marty > > P.S., guys please remember to "trim" your responses. I get the digest, and 3/4 of it is old posts duplicated. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63448	From: Robert Conner	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: Train Find

How well I know the feeling!!!! Sorting stuff lately I have found MANY LONG FORGOTTEN ITEMS.... Several boxs of All aboard Accessories.... not for sale yet.... Many trains... Incl the "B" SF unit, etc.... But the laugh the other day was.... Remember the Beanie Babies????? Well I found a big box of MEANIE BABIES!!!!!!!!    Bob   --- On Fri, 2/11/11, Tony Gervasio <trainboy59@...> wrote: From: Tony Gervasio <trainboy59@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Train Find To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 1:41 AM   Did this once when I discovered a mint in box Lionel Desert King SSS amongst my collection while we were packing to move into our new house.  I love serendipity when it happens like that! Tony Gervasio ________________________________ From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: Toy Trains <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>; S Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>; S Scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; Steve Conard <steve.conard@...>; John Picur <jppicur@...> Sent: Thu, February 10, 2011 8:49:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Train Find   Who needs a train show to find a mint in box item, when you can find them in your own basement, really. That happen today. I was going through some things in the basement, non train things and I found this mint in box American Models box car kit, number 132, Canadian Pacific with a price tag of 20 on it. I remember where I go this, as we got this in Wells Maine at Doug Peck stall at a antique store in 1992! I did not have a layout at the time, but we got it because we like beavers and the beaver logo is on the car for the CP. So, I will have to make this kit now. that car has been in my basement for 19 years untouched! On another note, today I ordered paint from Weaver’s to paint my last unfinished SHS box car, as this will be my Lunardi Food Service car with Frosty Acres on it. Lunardi was my first food sales job to restaurants as they sold out in 1988 to another company in Baltimore. Frosty Acres is a private label for food service product, as the logo looks like a red flag. Dave at LBR made me the decals for this car. http://www.frostyacres.com/ The Frosty Acres red logo can be seen at the top of the website. The car will not have the other part with it. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63449	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Fw: Set 20209

Can any body give me a value on this set, as I believe it is a un catalog set. Not listed in the TM book. Thanks Mike From: Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 2:11 PM To: Marmer Mike Subject: Set 20209 Mike, I know zip about late flyer sets. Would you give me please a guess on the value of set # 20209. Clean 21165 loco and 3 cars. Bob's book sez 1961. Boxed set Clean box with two pieces of tape damaging the edges of the cover and a black grease pencil store price and store no on it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63450	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: Fwd: Question About S

Ironically, Apple might be the most valuable corporation on the planet... Don On Feb 11, 2011, at 10:45 AM, Roy Inman wrote: > Mac users (3%). Compared to Windows users-(95%). > Tough market... > Roy > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63451	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Set 20209

Pioneer Flyer 20209 21160 Atlantic - $35-45 25081 NYC Action Box - $45-60 24127 Monon Gon. - $10 - 15 24636 Cab. - $10 - 12 (Red) Track etc. - $10 Hope this helps Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: S Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2011 3:02 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Set 20209 Can any body give me a value on this set, as I believe it is a un catalog set. Not listed in the TM book. Thanks Mike From: Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 2:11 PM To: Marmer Mike Subject: Set 20209 Mike, I know zip about late flyer sets. Would you give me please a guess on the value of set # 20209. Clean 21165 loco and 3 cars. Bob's book sez 1961. Boxed set Clean box with two pieces of tape damaging the edges of the cover and a black grease pencil store price and store no on it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63452	From: EDWARD ECKERT	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Set 20209

I have that set. The track trip is also very valuable as there are no reproductions for the Pikemaster trip. I have seen them go from $35.00 to $55.00 plus shipping on Ebay. I did find one at a train show in the junk box that was bent up. Straightened it out and works fine. $5.00. The seller had no idea what it was. Correction below. As stated in the original post it is a 21165 Casey Jones engine. It also came with the oiler with oil. Ed Eckert ________________________________ From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 12:11:35 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Set 20209   Pioneer Flyer 20209 21160 Atlantic - $35-45 25081 NYC Action Box - $45-60 24127 Monon Gon. - $10 - 15 24636 Cab. - $10 - 12 (Red) Track etc. - $10 Hope this helps Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: S Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2011 3:02 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Set 20209 Can any body give me a value on this set, as I believe it is a un catalog set. Not listed in the TM book. Thanks Mike From: Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 2:11 PM To: Marmer Mike Subject: Set 20209 Mike, I know zip about late flyer sets. Would you give me please a guess on the value of set # 20209. Clean 21165 loco and 3 cars. Bob's book sez 1961. Boxed set Clean box with two pieces of tape damaging the edges of the cover and a black grease pencil store price and store no on it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63453	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Fw: Set 20209

Ed, your correct. I was looking in the GB Uncataloged listing and I was probably looking at the entry just above which was set # 20208 which had the 21160 in it. My error, old age I guess. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: EDWARD ECKERT <ejenterp@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2011 4:08 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Set 20209 I have that set. The track trip is also very valuable as there are no reproductions for the Pikemaster trip. I have seen them go from $35.00 to $55.00 plus shipping on Ebay. I did find one at a train show in the junk box that was bent up. Straightened it out and works fine. $5.00. The seller had no idea what it was. Correction below. As stated in the original post it is a 21165 Casey Jones engine. It also came with the oiler with oil. Ed Eckert ________________________________ From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 12:11:35 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Set 20209 Pioneer Flyer 20209 21160 Atlantic - $35-45 25081 NYC Action Box - $45-60 24127 Monon Gon. - $10 - 15 24636 Cab. - $10 - 12 (Red) Track etc. - $10 Hope this helps Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: S Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2011 3:02 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Set 20209 Can any body give me a value on this set, as I believe it is a un catalog set. Not listed in the TM book. Thanks Mike From: Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 2:11 PM To: Marmer Mike Subject: Set 20209 Mike, I know zip about late flyer sets. Would you give me please a guess on the value of set # 20209. Clean 21165 loco and 3 cars. Bob's book sez 1961. Boxed set Clean box with two pieces of tape damaging the edges of the cover and a black grease pencil store price and store no on it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63454	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Set 20209

Thank you Harwood. I will let him know. Mike From: HOwingsiii@... Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 3:11 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Set 20209 Pioneer Flyer 20209 21160 Atlantic - $35-45 25081 NYC Action Box - $45-60 24127 Monon Gon. - $10 - 15 24636 Cab. - $10 - 12 (Red) Track etc. - $10 Hope this helps Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: S Trains <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2011 3:02 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Set 20209 Can any body give me a value on this set, as I believe it is a un catalog set. Not listed in the TM book. Thanks Mike From: Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 2:11 PM To: Marmer Mike Subject: Set 20209 Mike, I know zip about late flyer sets. Would you give me please a guess on the value of set # 20209. Clean 21165 loco and 3 cars. Bob's book sez 1961. Boxed set Clean box with two pieces of tape damaging the edges of the cover and a black grease pencil store price and store no on it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63455	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Set 20209

Well, there was reproductions at one time of that track trip. I had one from Triple S and I did not need it. I knew no more existed, so I gave it to BG1. Mike From: EDWARD ECKERT Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 4:00 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Set 20209 I have that set. The track trip is also very valuable as there are no reproductions for the Pikemaster trip. I have seen them go from $35.00 to $55.00 plus shipping on Ebay. I did find one at a train show in the junk box that was bent up. Straightened it out and works fine. $5.00. The seller had no idea what it was. Correction below. As stated in the original post it is a 21165 Casey Jones engine. It also came with the oiler with oil. Ed Eckert ________________________________ From: "mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com" <mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 12:11:35 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Set 20209 Pioneer Flyer 20209 21160 Atlantic - $35-45 25081 NYC Action Box - $45-60 24127 Monon Gon. - $10 - 15 24636 Cab. - $10 - 12 (Red) Track etc. - $10 Hope this helps Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: S Trains <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2011 3:02 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Set 20209 Can any body give me a value on this set, as I believe it is a un catalog set. Not listed in the TM book. Thanks Mike From: Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 2:11 PM To: Marmer Mike Subject: Set 20209 Mike, I know zip about late flyer sets. Would you give me please a guess on the value of set # 20209. Clean 21165 loco and 3 cars. Bob's book sez 1961. Boxed set Clean box with two pieces of tape damaging the edges of the cover and a black grease pencil store price and store no on it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63456	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles - Flames

Marty, Not that it makes any difference, but I picked up that piece of info from the milezone web site. They said it was a custom run for them. Don¹t believe everything we read online, eh :) Roy on 2/11/11 10:07 AM, Martin A. Johnson at skally@... wrote: > > > > > > The flamed Tow Truck is NOT a custom run for online seller. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63457	From: tbennerohio	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: electronic reverse unit in SIT Hudson

Thanks Steve and all who replied. I have a couple of ideas to try now. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > You can fit a Dallee 518 (2 amp) in the boiler if you remove the current > reverse unit, OR..You can put one in the tender but you will need to run two > more wires to the boiler. I have done a few, but only one in the tender > itself. That was just about a month ago. > Steve >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63458	From: David	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: M2 Flamed Tow Trucks - Update

Hi All, OK - there are now a total of three different flamed M2 tow trucks. 1 - The 1954 Studebaker "chase" with flames. This is the special truck which is randomly inserted into the Auto-Thentics series found at Walmart, Target, etc. It comes in a plastic display case inside a card box. 2 - The 1949 Studebaker Exclusive manufactured for Milezone. This truck has yellow and orange flames changing to red and blue at the doors. The interior is red. It comes in a blister pack. It has a label reading "2010 Milezone Limited Edition 492 pieces". Also the label on the upper right hand side of the blister pack reads "SPECIAL EDITION". 3 - The 1949 Studebaker "chase" Exclusive. This truck has a gold outline of the flames, but no other color. The interior is gold. It comes in a blister pack. It has a label reading "2010 Milezone Limited Edition 108 pieces. Also the label on the upper right hand side of the blister pack reads "SPECIAL EDITION". If anyone knows of any others let us know. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63459	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: Fwd: Question About S

OK I understand Volume.... But what I really think I was getting to was why not approach these Co's with your Tooling & design. They are already set up for injection & tooling. We in this valley are up for any type of growth. Just a thought that the solution might be in our backyard. As far as making cars that are "Dogs" & shoving them down Hobby Shops to meet volume, I can't see that. It's a given I don't know much about this. In a message dated 2/11/2011 4:40:04 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, don@... writes: volume... On Feb 10, 2011, at 8:42 PM, anormal1@... wrote: > If Kadee & Micro Trains can be made in the US & make a profit, why > not SHS > & American Models ? Just down the road from both, Mike in Ore > > > > ____________________________________ > From: mail@... > To: anormal1@... > Sent: 2/10/2011 7:30:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time > Subj: Re: Question About S > > Hello Mr. Strickland, > > They certainly are, even the boxes they come in, 100% made right > here in > our > own little shop in White City, Oregon...U.S.A. > > Sam Clarke > Kadee Quality Products > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: <anormal1@...> > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 5:32 PM > To: <mail@...> > Cc: <anormal1@...> > Subject: Question About S > > > > = > = > = > = > ====================================================================== > > Name: Mike Strickland > > E-mail: anormal1@... > > Retail > > > = > = > = > = > ====================================================================== > > Remarks: > > Are your cars made in the USA? Mike > > > > You should receive a copy of this e-mail. > > If you don't receive an e-mail then you will need to contact Kadee®. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63460	From: Brady	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Layout

While I was surfing the net for TrucTrain info I came across a very nice layout http://www.thevollmerfamily.com/Pennsy/index.html It's N scale, but it would make a nice S gauge or scale pike with lots of great locations for model photography. Flyer K-5's would be right at home.. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63461	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Set 20209

He has the track trip with the set! Good for him as I have no idea how he got this. He is a Lionel person and a past TCA president. Thanks for all the help on this, as I did see it listed in my Greenberg book. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63462	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Re: Fwd: Question About S

I think each run of a car needs a certain amount made to make it affordable. IE so many State of Maine cars, then on to the next car and so on. Mike From: anormal1@... Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 8:23 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fwd: Question About S OK I understand Volume.... But what I really think I was getting to was why not approach these Co's with your Tooling & design. They are already set up for injection & tooling. We in this valley are up for any type of growth. Just a thought that the solution might be in our backyard. As far as making cars that are "Dogs" & shoving them down Hobby Shops to meet volume, I can't see that. It's a given I don't know much about this. In a message dated 2/11/2011 4:40:04 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mailto:don%40showcaseline.com writes: volume... On Feb 10, 2011, at 8:42 PM, mailto:anormal1%40aol.com wrote: > If Kadee & Micro Trains can be made in the US & make a profit, why > not SHS > & American Models ? Just down the road from both, Mike in Ore > > > > ____________________________________ > From: mailto:mail%40kadee.com > To: mailto:anormal1%40aol.com > Sent: 2/10/2011 7:30:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time > Subj: Re: Question About S > > Hello Mr. Strickland, > > They certainly are, even the boxes they come in, 100% made right > here in > our > own little shop in White City, Oregon...U.S.A. > > Sam Clarke > Kadee Quality Products > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 5:32 PM > To: <mailto:mail%40kadee.com> > Cc: <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> > Subject: Question About S > > > > = > = > = > = > ====================================================================== > > Name: Mike Strickland > > E-mail: mailto:anormal1%40aol.com > > Retail > > > = > = > = > = > ====================================================================== > > Remarks: > > Are your cars made in the USA? Mike > > > > You should receive a copy of this e-mail. > > If you don't receive an e-mail then you will need to contact Kadee®. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63463	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/11/2011
Subject: Question about S

Kadee and Walthers aren't the only companies to force hobby shops to take certain numbers of everything they make! It started to get to the point about ten years back that the owners began dropping lines for this reason or that the company had cheapened their product so much. When we closed up G&M Train & Hobby last year, we were still stuck with tons of unsellable junk forced upon us! Some stock was over twelve years old and had to be "dumped" at less than a quarter of what was paid for it. A few HO guys bought up "dog" freight cars to repaint because they got so cheap. While G & M was focused mainly on O gauge three rail, we sold every scale. HO was indeed "king of the hill" despite the O focus of the shop. N Guage had dropped way off as the local population aged and couldn't see it anymore. S had a very small but loyal following in the area which dealt mostly with us because other stores didn't even carry it. In any kind of manufacturing, money and production numbers hold sway. Some will do anything to keep numbers up. In S gauge, we just can't play the numbers game. Stumpy in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63464	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/12/2011
Subject: Re: A QUESTION ABOUT S

My main point is/was can SHS or American Models have a Co. like Kadee or Micro Trains do production runs for them, at a cost that is low enough for a profit. I was not saying that Kadee would be in charge of dist. or sales, just making what the cust. ordered. They seem to have the equip. needed to do just that. And more important the skilled work force. Also there are a lot of Govt. incentives to do some business here in Ore. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63465	From: Alan Evans	Date: 2/12/2011
Subject: Absentee vendors at the Spring S Spree

NEWS FLASH !!!!!!!!!!!!! Vendors or S manufacturers If you want to display your product but cannot attend the S Spree, the "Absentee Vendor Table" is a possible solution!! Club members will sit at your table, sell your product, and return any unsold items and the money received at your table. You pay for the table ($20.00) and the shipping costs to and from Columbus. Contact John Gafney, the Central Ohio S Gauge at jgafney@... for specific details. Vendors who participated in this feature at our Spree in 2007 indicated satisfaction with the results. The Spring S Spree is April 29 and 30 in Hilliard, Ohio (northwest of Columbus). - Alan Evans J [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63466	From: Martin A. Johnson	Date: 2/12/2011
Subject: Re: M2 50s vehicles - Flames

I stand CORRECTED, I was unaware of the custom run for Milezone, being I don't do any business with them. Very interesting. Although I personally don't like the "flamed" vehicles or Hot Rods, as my preference is the "real working" trucks, I'm very happy to see the Grand acceptance of the newly released M2 Trucks. From what I gather, all of them are flying off the shelves across the country, demand on eBay and other online sellers is good. This is good, as M2 will be more likely to continue making these vintage trucks in 1/64th "scale". I can't wait for the release of the mid-05's Ford & Dodge COE's they have prototyped. I also hope they can do some International Harvestor Trucks of that vintage. and the list goes on, and on, and on..... If anybody needs either of the Chevy LCF's or 2nd Release of the Studebakers, send me an email, I did get a few extras of those. Marty [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63467	From: Brady	Date: 2/12/2011
Subject: Re: Flyer Lift Out Bridge

A couple of articles.. http://www.railroad-line.com/discussion/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=23722 http://mysite.verizon.net/vzescsbb/HO_MRR/Room%20Access%20Lift%20Bridges.pdf Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63468	From: Timboy	Date: 2/12/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Hey Everyone! Just a quick whistle-stop here. I found out that I can run three trains at the same time with the use of one Semaphore to keep them properly separated. I did a test video and determined that I need a better light source, so I am probably going to do some track lighting. My layout isn't conventional by any of today's standards. It's maturing into a loop-running (gasp!) display layout, as opposed to a mere vintage 1950's cluttered toy train layout and collection. OBTW; thank you for all the private emails. Don't be afraid of replying in public. The moderators would NEVER let you get ridiculed! Har-Har-Har-Har-de-Har-Har-Har!!!!!!! Regards, Timboy, THE American Flyer Enthusiast

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63469	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 2/12/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Set 20209

Hi Mike Set 20209 was made in 1961 and was an uncatalogued set made up of the following rolling stock 250810 NYC boc car, 24127 Monon gondola car, 24636 Caboose the steam engine was a 21165 Casey Jones style engine. it also 8 26310Pikemaster curve track 1 26300 straight track and 1 26302 pikemaster terminial track and 22006 transformer. Set is worth between 65-135 depending upon condition set is listed in Greenbergs Guide to American Flyer sets by Joe Deger on page 113 good luck Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael & Linda Marmer To: S Trains Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 2:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Set 20209 Can any body give me a value on this set, as I believe it is a un catalog set. Not listed in the TM book. Thanks Mike From: Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 2:11 PM To: Marmer Mike Subject: Set 20209 Mike, I know zip about late flyer sets. Would you give me please a guess on the value of set # 20209. Clean 21165 loco and 3 cars. Bob's book sez 1961. Boxed set Clean box with two pieces of tape damaging the edges of the cover and a black grease pencil store price and store no on it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63470	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 2/13/2011
Subject: Borden Milk Car (0-27 Conversion)

http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/conversions/Borden1.JPG http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/conversions/Borden2.JPG http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/conversions/Borden3.JPG It's a little tall and wide, but in 0 Gauge it was a little narrow and short :-) A few prototype photos for comparison.. http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/non-nyc/images/bfix-516.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3042/2571275477_602eba9124_z.jpg?zz=1 http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/non-nyc/images/bfix-522.jpg Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63471	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/13/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/13/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday February 13, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63472	From: Timboy	Date: 2/13/2011
Subject: Re: Borden Milk Car (0-27 Conversion)

Nice conversion Brady! One more 3-rail car out of circulation! Hurrah! Hurrah! lolololol I know you like linkers. So do I. I'm tempted to sell off my meager collection of knuckle-heads and specialize in promoting my mere collection of linkers. I think the linker trucks look nicer than the sintered trucks on knuckle cars. I know that the spade doesn't look very realistic when they are just sitting on a shelf. But when they are coupled together, the car spacing is closer than knuckles (especially pax cars) and those spades kinda blend into something that is not really noticeable, to me anyway. I love to see a string of linkers with their shiny silver journal boxes and silver (stamped-in) springs getting towed around. I like the clinking sound they make as well. I know there are a few pricey linker cars out there, but nowhere near the amount of pricey knuckle cars. Specializing in linkers would be one way to hold the expenditures down and have a truly classic collection of trains to run as well! Regards, Timboy, An Linker Nerd

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63473	From: rapidrail1	Date: 2/14/2011
Subject: Re: Borden Milk Car (0-27 Conversion)

Very nice work. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: > > http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/conversions/Borden1.JPG > http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/conversions/Borden2.JPG > http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/conversions/Borden3.JPG > > It's a little tall and wide, but in 0 Gauge it was a little narrow and > short :-) > > A few prototype photos for comparison.. > > http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/non-nyc/images/bfix-516.jpg > http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3042/2571275477_602eba9124_z.jpg?zz=1 > http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/non-nyc/images/bfix-522.jpg > > > Brady Burdge >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63474	From: Monte	Date: 2/14/2011
Subject: Thank you Walt

Thanks to all of you. The discussion finally got around to the continuum in the S scale/gauge hobby. That is what I was trying to stimulate. We are all hobbyists.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63475	From: Martin A. Johnson	Date: 2/14/2011
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/13/2011, 8:00 pm

Sunday Evening Chat - REMINDER. Can the reminder be sent on Saturday? those of us that get the "digest" don't receive the notice, until Monday Morning, for Sunday, hence the Chat is long since passed. Marty [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63476	From: Ken	Date: 2/14/2011
Subject: Re: Thanks to all who made suggestions for my slow 293 loco and need

Wow, what a great find, S Trains, and what great people. Thank you all for your suggestions. I now have a 293 Loco that actually moves faster than a TURTLE & my eBay 307 Loco actually runs. What a deal. I am attempting to layout the track in a folded long loop format and incorporate a GR trestle set, also acquired from ebay. Think of a figure 8 without crossover but with the two loops folded back, one over the other. This means the upper leg loop crosses over the lower track. Neat excuse for the trestle. All on a 4 ft. by 8 ft. sheet of plywood. Ok, here is my question; What is the typical spacing between the trestle supports and can I get a suggestion for a bridge construction to span about 16 -17 inches and attach to the trestle supports? The bridge will include a bit of the curve in the upper track and one end needs a slight angle because of the curve, the other end will be square. Ken Christiansen Broker Associate 551 N. Mulford Rd. Rockford, IL 61107 Cell: 815-218-3957 email: <mailto:klchris@...> klchris@... efax: 815-231-8032 Web: <http://www.starckrealtors.com/> www.starckrealtors.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63477	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/14/2011
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/13/2011, 8:00 pm

Then there are those of us who can't find the dang thing lol To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: skally@... Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:16:54 -0600 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/13/2011, 8:00 pm Sunday Evening Chat - REMINDER. Can the reminder be sent on Saturday? those of us that get the "digest" don't receive the notice, until Monday Morning, for Sunday, hence the Chat is long since passed. Marty [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63478	From: ctbigboy	Date: 2/14/2011
Subject: American "S" Gauge Switch Power Routing using a Trak-DTRL

American "S" Gauge Switch Power Routing works great using a Dallee Trak-DTRL, item #566 for 2 train operation as per original AF switches. You can contact Dallas of Dallee Electronics, Inc. for price and information. (717) 661-7041

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63479	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/14/2011
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/13/2011, 8:00 pm

I can never seem to be able to get into this Sunday evening chat. Please spell out a simple way for us simple people to sign into it. Thanks, Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63480	From: afironhorse	Date: 2/14/2011
Subject: How do you clean plastic cars with the white grud on it??

A friend found his dad's old AF's in the basement but they got a little wet over the years. He's having trouble getting the white stuff off the plastic cars without also taking the decals off. Is there a better way to get the white stuff off?? Would appreciate any help. David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63481	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: How do you clean plastic cars with the white grud on it??

The use of a hair dryer well melt the withe residue then you should be able to just wipe it off. Take care not to over heat the plastic. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: afironhorse <afironhorse@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Feb 14, 2011 11:20 pm Subject: [S-Trains] How do you clean plastic cars with the white grud on it?? A friend found his dad's old AF's in the basement but they got a little wet over the years. He's having trouble getting the white stuff off the plastic cars without also taking the decals off. Is there a better way to get the white stuff off?? Would appreciate any help. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63482	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: We Needs

My 1:64 friends, I'm donning my nomex suit as I type this note - but I have to agree that the calls for an all S magazine are a bit parochial. Following on the message of items usable in O-Scale Railroading magazine, here is another example of a non 1:64 source with articles that are easily adaptable to our chosen scale. I don't know how many of you know Alan Carroll of Colonial Drafting, but Alan has been using 1:64 scale (or HiRail) items for years to create wonderful models in his chosen scale, On30. IMHO, the proportions involved make this particular conversion nearly a two-way street - adapting On30 materials to create plausible free-lance models in 1:64 scale (or hi-rail) has many benefits. Check out his new Yahoo group, where he has posted photo essays of many of his efforts. Here is an extract from his post introducing his new Yahoo group, I recently started a Yahoo Group dedicated to "On30 Kitbashing" and that is its name. My intent is to show all the steps that I do during the process of kitbashing a model. If you are interested in seeing more about this engine and other past and future kitbashes here is a link to the website. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/On30_Kitbashing/ You are welcome to join and take a look around. You can add you own experiences with a kitbash model or just watch and see what shows up. There is still much to do on the website but I hope you enjoy it and find the information useful. I have started this On30 Yahoo Group for the discussion of kitbashing only. All other subjects are well covered on this and other On30 Yahoo group sites. Thank you, Alan Carroll Owner & Moderator for On30_Kitbashing Baron of Slash & Bash Andover, Massachusetts [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63483	From: Brady	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: S Gauge Lionel Fastrack

I saw straights and curves advertised in the new issue of S Gaugian.. Fastrack 10 Inch Straight 6-49852 Fastrack 20 Inch Curve 6-49853 Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63484	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: How do you clean plastic cars with the white grud on it??

I find I can usually do a respectible job by gently scraping it off with my fingernail or small screwdriver. I find it easier and quicker than a hair drier. On Feb 14, 2011, at 9:20 PM, HOwingsiii@... wrote: The use of a hair dryer well melt the withe residue then you should be able to just wipe it off. Take care not to over heat the plastic. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: afironhorse <afironhorse@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Feb 14, 2011 11:20 pm Subject: [S-Trains] How do you clean plastic cars with the white grud on it?? A friend found his dad's old AF's in the basement but they got a little wet over the years. He's having trouble getting the white stuff off the plastic cars without also taking the decals off. Is there a better way to get the white stuff off?? Would appreciate any help. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63485	From: Larry Asp	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: How do you clean plastic cars with the white grud on it??

I use a jewellers washout brush - which has fine slightly stiff bristles - takes off the white stuff and is especially good on link couplers. It is also a great brush for getting rid of dirt and dust in the nooks and crannies of cars and engines, and is a bit of a polishing tool as well. You can find them on the internet for less than $10.00 On 2011-02-15, at 12:36 PM, The Upstairs Train wrote: > I find I can usually do a respectible job by gently scraping it off with my fingernail or small screwdriver. I find it easier and quicker than a hair drier. > > > > On Feb 14, 2011, at 9:20 PM, HOwingsiii@... wrote: > > > The use of a hair dryer well melt the withe residue then you should be able to just wipe it off. Take care not to over heat the plastic. > Harwood > > -----Original Message----- > From: afironhorse <afironhorse@...> > To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, Feb 14, 2011 11:20 pm > Subject: [S-Trains] How do you clean plastic cars with the white grud on it?? > > A friend found his dad's old AF's in the basement but they got a little wet over the years. He's having trouble getting the white stuff off the plastic cars without also taking the decals off. Is there a better way to get the white stuff off?? Would appreciate any help. > > David > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63486	From: afironhorse	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Question about a K5 Pacific

I have a 4-6-2 and the number is nolonger there. I'm thinking this may be a #312AC but I'm not sure. The E-unit is in the boiler. The tender has a shell and chassie for a SIT but no smoke unit just weights in the shell. It has a link coupler with the black weight. Do you think this is a #312AC?? David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63487	From: David Haslauer	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: How do you clean plastic cars with the white grud on it??

Thanks Bill Green, my friend used your method and he said it worked. David ________________________________ From: afironhorse <afironhorse@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, February 14, 2011 9:52:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] How do you clean plastic cars with the white grud on it??   A friend found his dad's old AF's in the basement but they got a little wet over the years. He's having trouble getting the white stuff off the plastic cars without also taking the decals off. Is there a better way to get the white stuff off?? Would appreciate any help. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63488	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: 1970s single trailer flatcar / TOFC

Some of this might be of interest to Brady and others considering carrying trailers on flat cars. Tom Hawley ----- Original Message ----- From: blindog@... To: MFCL@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [MFCL] 1970s single trailer flatcar / TOFC Jim Eager wrote: >> I'm looking for additional information about possible prototypes >> in the 1970s of flatcars for single trailers that can be modeled >> using Athearn's trailer on 50' flat car model. > >There were very few remaining in the 1970s, and all were holdovers >from the 1950s, including Trailer Train's F30G conversions of ex-PRR >cars. >Here's one example, GN 60280: > >http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=46862 >http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=46863 That's interesting. The photos were taken in West Colton on the SP in 1979, but if memory serves by that time all of the remaining short flats, except the Trailer Train F30s, were restricted to on-line service by their owners. Sounds like a loading clerk made a boo-boo. Indeed, most of the western RR pig flats were in restricted service regardless of length. If they did find their way off-line, they were to be returned posthaste. >An exception would be Canadian purpose-built single trailer cars like >CP 506073: >http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=2524 > >These were prompted by the fact that 45ft vans were legal nation-wide >in Canada long before they were in the US. And I don't recall seeing any of these south of the border until the late '80s, when rules for the interchange of cars across the border changed. Scott Chatfield [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63489	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific

on a 312 AC the AC is for airchime whistle , Your eng. is most likely a 310 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63490	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Rising prices on S-Helper

Has anyone else noticed the rising prices on S-Helper rolling stock etc.? Now that no production is going on, is available merchandise is getting harder to find? Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63491	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific

If the reverse is in the boiler it's probably a 312. What's the coupler look like? Harwood -----Original Message----- From: afironhorse <afironhorse@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:47 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Question about a K5 Pacific I have a 4-6-2 and the number is nolonger there. I'm thinking this may be a #312AC but I'm not sure. The E-unit is in the boiler. The tender has a shell and chassie for a SIT but no smoke unit just weights in the shell. It has a link coupler with the black weight. Do you think this is a #312AC?? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63492	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific

AC does not stand for Air Chime Whistle. 312 AC produced 49-51, the AC refers to Alternating Current. -----Original Message----- From: Ron Inscho <roninscho@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:10 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Question about a K5 Pacific on a 312 AC the AC is for airchime whistle , Your eng. is most likely a 310 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63493	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: We Needs

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 63494	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: How do you clean plastic cars with the white grud on it?? Corrected

The use of a hair dryer will melt the white residue, then you should be able to just wipe it off. Take care not to over heat the plastic. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Feb 15, 2011 12:57 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] How do you clean plastic cars with the white grud on it?? I find I can usually do a respectible job by gently scraping it off with my fingernail or small screwdriver. I find it easier and quicker than a hair drier. On Feb 14, 2011, at 9:20 PM, HOwingsiii@... wrote: The use of a hair dryer well melt the withe residue then you should be able to just wipe it off. Take care not to over heat the plastic. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: afironhorse <afironhorse@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Feb 14, 2011 11:20 pm Subject: [S-Trains] How do you clean plastic cars with the white grud on it?? A friend found his dad's old AF's in the basement but they got a little wet over the years. He's having trouble getting the white stuff off the plastic cars without also taking the decals off. Is there a better way to get the white stuff off?? Would appreciate any help. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63495	From: Bruce	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific

Actually Ron, that is not correct. "AC" did not stand for "air chime". It stood for the designation of the type of current locos during that period of production were operating on (such as the 342AC or 342DC, the 332AC or 332DC, etc.). This stands to reason, as the 342AC was not offered with an air chime whistle. The anomaly here is that there was never a 312DC (or any K-5 loco in the Gilbert line) produced with a DC power option. But, the others, such as the Hudsons, Switchers, and Challengers were offered in DC powered versions; hence, the designations mentioned above. Bruce From: Ron Inscho Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 1:53 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Question about a K5 Pacific on a 312 AC the AC is for airchime whistle , Your eng. is most likely a 310 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63496	From: Robert Conner	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific

Sounds like a 1946 or 47 310 that has had the coupler changed.... Bob --- On Tue, 2/15/11, afironhorse <afironhorse@...> wrote: From: afironhorse <afironhorse@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Question about a K5 Pacific To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 4:40 PM   I have a 4-6-2 and the number is nolonger there. I'm thinking this may be a #312AC but I'm not sure. The E-unit is in the boiler. The tender has a shell and chassie for a SIT but no smoke unit just weights in the shell. It has a link coupler with the black weight. Do you think this is a #312AC?? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63497	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific

Its a 310 - the SIT was never fitted to this loco. Alistair On Wed 16/02/11 7:10 AM , "afironhorse" afironhorse@... sent: I have a 4-6-2 and the number is nolonger there. I'm thinking this may be a #312AC but I'm not sure. The E-unit is in the boiler. The tender has a shell and chassie for a SIT but no smoke unit just weights in the shell. It has a link coupler with the black weight. Do you think this is a #312AC?? David ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20Question%20about%20a%20K5%20Pacific [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvMjRmcGJvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzQ4NgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTc4MDY0NzQ-?act=reply&messageNum=63486 [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/63486;_ylc=X3oDMTM0Y3JqaHVnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzQ4NgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTc4MDY0NzQEdHBjSWQDNjM0ODY- [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63498	From: Bruce	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific

David, What you may have is a 310 or 312 and a tender from a 310 (no smoke or choo-choo) or a 312 (with the smoke and choo-choo unit removed) with a '49 to '52 link coupler attached. The 310s and 312s from 1946-1947 had the reverse unit in the boiler and the 312 had smoke and choo-choo in the tender. The 310 had no smoke or choo-choo, but came with either thin shank or thick shank link couplers with no weights; hence, my thoughts that the coupler would be a replacement coupler made from 1949-1952. The 312AC had smoke and choo-choo in the boiler and the reverse unit in the tender, so what you have is not a 312AC. Hope this helps. Bruce From: afironhorse Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 1:40 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Question about a K5 Pacific I have a 4-6-2 and the number is nolonger there. I'm thinking this may be a #312AC but I'm not sure. The E-unit is in the boiler. The tender has a shell and chassie for a SIT but no smoke unit just weights in the shell. It has a link coupler with the black weight. Do you think this is a #312AC?? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63499	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific

No - clearly it has weights and not the SIT mechanism in the tender so it is the 310. Alistair On Wed 16/02/11 8:55 AM , HOwingsiii@... sent: If the reverse is in the boiler it's probably a 312. What's the coupler look like? Harwood -----Original Message----- From: afironhorse To: S-Trains Sent: Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:47 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Question about a K5 Pacific I have a 4-6-2 and the number is nolonger there. I'm thinking this may be a #312AC but I'm not sure. The E-unit is in the boiler. The tender has a shell and chassie for a SIT but no smoke unit just weights in the shell. It has a link coupler with the black weight. Do you think this is a #312AC?? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:afironhorse@... [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Question%20about%20a%20K5%20Pacific [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvZWhxdXFqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzQ5MQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTc4MTMzOTc-?act=reply&messageNum=63491 [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/63486;_ylc=X3oDMTM0ZW5tZTNkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzQ5MQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTc4MTMzOTcEdHBjSWQDNjM0ODY- [6] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63500	From: Robert Conner	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific

HARWOOD... T he only RIB's are 310, 312 and 21115 on rear?.... Bob --- On Tue, 2/15/11, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote: From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Question about a K5 Pacific To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 6:25 PM   If the reverse is in the boiler it's probably a 312. What's the coupler look like? Harwood -----Original Message----- From: afironhorse <afironhorse@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:47 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Question about a K5 Pacific I have a 4-6-2 and the number is nolonger there. I'm thinking this may be a #312AC but I'm not sure. The E-unit is in the boiler. The tender has a shell and chassie for a SIT but no smoke unit just weights in the shell. It has a link coupler with the black weight. Do you think this is a #312AC?? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63501	From: Al	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific

Does the smoke stack have a hole in it, or is it solid? If solid, the loco is a 310, if a hole, it is a 312. The tender is from a 312 if it has the holes for the smoke unit - I am not aware of any 310 tenders built that way? Is there a hole in the coal bed where the filler tube was? If so, that was for a 312. Al Baker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63502	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/15/2011
Subject: Re: Rising prices on S-Helper

Dear Harwood, We raised some prices in September, but it reflects the increases we have seen over the last 3 years. When our costs were raised 28% in 16 months, Mike and I decided to raise prices gradually and not with each price increase. If I remember correctly, our prices went up as follows... 10% Sept 2008 10% Jan 2009 8% Jan 2010 Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. > > > Has anyone else noticed the rising prices on S-Helper rolling stock > etc.? Now that no production is going on, is available merchandise > is getting harder to find? > Harwood > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63503	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2011
Subject: Rising prices on S-Helper

Hi Don, I was referring to previously sold items going all the back to first production , not current items coming from you. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Don Thompson <don@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Feb 15, 2011 9:29 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rising prices on S-Helper Dear Harwood, We raised some prices in September, but it reflects the increases we have seen over the last 3 years. When our costs were raised 28% in 16 months, Mike and I decided to raise prices gradually and not with each price increase. If I remember correctly, our prices went up as follows... 10% Sept 2008 10% Jan 2009 8% Jan 2010 Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. > > > Has anyone else noticed the rising prices on S-Helper rolling stock > etc.? Now that no production is going on, is available merchandise > is getting harder to find? > Harwood > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63504	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 2/16/2011
Subject: Re: 05 - Re: [S-Trains] Question about a K5 Pacific

Yes the 325 AC Hudson has an airchime whistle ,much the same way as did the 312 AC ----- Original Message ----- From: rick gough To: Ron Inscho Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 10:27 PM Subject: Re: 05 - Re: [S-Trains] Question about a K5 Pacific Can you prove that? AChime was a big draw for the 315/316/326 engines with all the good stuff. 313 didn't even [should have!] have Chime. Still a nonbeliever! Proof? rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing --- On Tue, 2/15/11, Ron Inscho <roninscho@...> wrote: From: Ron Inscho <roninscho@...> Subject: 05 - Re: [S-Trains] Question about a K5 Pacific To: "rick gough" <racin510@...> Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 7:17 PM ADVISORY: There is currently a display bug in Yahoo! Mail that effects forwarded messages, causing such messages to be improperly displayed. Yahoo! is working on a fix. In the mean time, you can switch to Yahoo! Mail Classic (see "Options" menu at top right, choose "Mail Clasic...") to see these messages properly. We apologize for the inconvenience. Ron Inscho (roninscho@...) is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63505	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/16/2011
Subject: Re: We needs

Having been in On30 for a number of years (even before Bachmann came along) I agree that there is much crossover possible between S standard gauge and On30 narrow gauge. The proportions are nearly the same, while the scale is, of course, different. I have swapped trucks and couplers both ways many times to come up with interesting rolling stock in both sizes. I also know well the work of Alan Carroll, and he's a master at kitbashing as well as a good guy. I don't know how much he'll be doing in S in the future, but there is much to learn from his On30 work that will crossover to S. Worth a look. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63506	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 2/16/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific

The 310's also have the hole. Alistair On Wed 16/02/11 11:15 AM , "Al" albaker33@... sent: Does the smoke stack have a hole in it, or is it solid? If solid, the loco is a 310, if a hole, it is a 312. The tender is from a 312 if it has the holes for the smoke unit - I am not aware of any 310 tenders built that way? Is there a hole in the coal bed where the filler tube was? If so, that was for a 312. Al Baker ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20Question%20about%20a%20K5%20Pacific [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvZGxsOWFkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzUwMQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTc4MjMzNTg-?act=reply&messageNum=63501 [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/63486;_ylc=X3oDMTM0MTVhaTRnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzUwMQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTc4MjMzNTgEdHBjSWQDNjM0ODY- [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [5] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15o3ph4ik/M=493064.14543979.14365478.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1297830559/L=8e975130-3974-11e0-aa0e-279a9e21cf56/B=ZIhjDUwNPRY-/J=1297823359247903/K=Z.6gZs0VY4Zn4NbtRdJ2cw/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj [6] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15o0j7u4m/M=493064.14543977.14365476.10835568/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1297830559/L=8e975130-3974-11e0-aa0e-279a9e21cf56/B=ZYhjDUwNPRY-/J=1297823359247903/K=Z.6gZs0VY4Zn4NbtRdJ2cw/A=6078812/R=0/SIG=114ae4ln1/*http://dogandcatanswers.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63507	From: David Haslauer	Date: 2/16/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific

It has a link coupler with a weight. The weight is black but it may be this color because it was painted. I see brass under the paint. Does this help?? ________________________________ From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 5:25:53 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Question about a K5 Pacific   If the reverse is in the boiler it's probably a 312. What's the coupler look like? Harwood -----Original Message----- From: afironhorse <afironhorse@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:47 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Question about a K5 Pacific I have a 4-6-2 and the number is nolonger there. I'm thinking this may be a #312AC but I'm not sure. The E-unit is in the boiler. The tender has a shell and chassie for a SIT but no smoke unit just weights in the shell. It has a link coupler with the black weight. Do you think this is a #312AC?? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63508	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 2/16/2011
Subject: 310 & 312 SIT boiler shells

Hi all, A minor correction; most 310 locomotives with no smoke units still had tender shells with the hole for the smoke fluid filler pipe, as well as the slot for the smoke tube brass connecting nipple. Just a part of ease of production; one part instead of two. I have an original 310 set here, and that's the way it is put together. I'm not certain about the smoke stack having the tube (the set's in storage), or being filled, but I think it has the tube too. Once again, one less seperate part to stock. S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63509	From: Bruce	Date: 2/16/2011
Subject: Re: 05 - Re: [S-Trains] Question about a K5 Pacific

I don't know where you get your information, Ron. The 312AC was never produced with an air chime whistle. Bruce From: Ron Inscho Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 7:34 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 05 - Re: [S-Trains] Question about a K5 Pacific Yes the 325 AC Hudson has an airchime whistle ,much the same way as did the 312 AC ----- Original Message ----- From: rick gough To: Ron Inscho Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 10:27 PM Subject: Re: 05 - Re: [S-Trains] Question about a K5 Pacific Can you prove that? AChime was a big draw for the 315/316/326 engines with all the good stuff. 313 didn't even [should have!] have Chime. Still a nonbeliever! Proof? rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63510	From: David Haslauer	Date: 2/16/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific

I'll check on the hole in smoke stack when I get off of work today, but I'm pretty sure it has a hole. David ________________________________ From: Al <albaker33@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 7:45:28 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Question about a K5 Pacific   Does the smoke stack have a hole in it, or is it solid? If solid, the loco is a 310, if a hole, it is a 312. The tender is from a 312 if it has the holes for the smoke unit - I am not aware of any 310 tenders built that way? Is there a hole in the coal bed where the filler tube was? If so, that was for a 312. Al Baker [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63511	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/16/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific

That explains a lot, as a black coupler would place it out of the years when smoke was in the tender and the reverse unit in the boiler. One Greenberg guide does list a variation of a 310 with a "black weighted coupler from 1948", (I thought 1948 coupler weights were brass) I think this is either a 310 or 312 (minus its smoke unit) from 1947 As to the weight in the tender, I don't have a 310 that I can compare, but the guides don't mention it. Perhaps it was added by a previous owner. As to the AC standing for Air Chime, that would throw the generally accepted belief that it stands for AC current out the window. I can't provide evidence in the form of factory documents, but the first bit of evidence is that the 312AC did not have an Air Chime whistle. Also, other models that carried the "AC" suffix did not have the whistle, for example the 300AC, 302AC, 322AC, and 332AC. Add to that the fact that the numbering system used did have a code for the presence of an Air Chime whistle, in the form of the last digit of the 3 digit number, which was a 5 (or a 6 if the locomotive also had Pullmor). I have to admit that it is curious that Gilbert marked some locomotives "AC" even where there were no DC versions and even more curiously made some DC versions that were not marked DC. I would think it would be much more important to mark DC locomotives as DC, because they could be damaged on AC , whereas it would be no big deal to operate an AC locomotive on direct current. Dale Smith On 2/16/2011 5:18 AM, David Haslauer wrote: > > It has a link coupler with a weight. The weight is black but it may be > this > color because it was painted. I see brass under the paint. > Does this help?? > > ________________________________ > From: "HOwingsiii@... <mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com>" > <HOwingsiii@... <mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com>> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 5:25:53 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Question about a K5 Pacific > > > > If the reverse is in the boiler it's probably a 312. What's the > coupler look > like? > Harwood > > -----Original Message----- > From: afironhorse <afironhorse@... <mailto:afironhorse%40yahoo.com>> > To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:47 pm > Subject: [S-Trains] Question about a K5 Pacific > > I have a 4-6-2 and the number is nolonger there. I'm thinking this may > be a > #312AC but I'm not sure. The E-unit is in the boiler. The tender has a > shell and > chassie for a SIT but no smoke unit just weights in the shell. It has > a link > coupler with the black weight. Do you think this is a #312AC?? > > David > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63512	From: rick gough	Date: 2/16/2011
Subject: Re: 05 - Re: [S-Trains] Question about a K5 Pacific

Only problem with your 'theory' is the 312 AC didn't have Air Chime, no 322 had Air Chime, 315, 316 and 326 with no 'AC' on the cab  all had Air Chime. So why weren't they designated AC? Because that wasn't what Giubert was indicating with the designation whatever vague reason they had for putting it on some loco cabs. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63513	From: Timboy	Date: 2/16/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Hi Everyone! I had some maintenance issues to deal with on my fledgling RR. Specifically: I had to replace a 6' section of curved track today. When I hand-laid it, I knew I would have to replace it someday and it turned out to be sooner, rather than later. In general, I'm not real happy with my hand-spiked track using short, vintage rails. It's proving to be unstable as to gauge and I think it will only get worse as the weather changes. True, I could spike down the rails at every tie, but that is quite tedious. All-in-all, I gotta say that the appearance of the hand-spiked track is not appreciably better than sectional track, once the sectional track is fortified with added wooden ties and ballasted. I don't think the appearance of the hand-laid track is better enough to justify all the effort it takes to lay it down. So, I'll pick up a box of junk track at York and use that to slowly replace the hand-spiked track with re-bent sectional track. An upgrade to Gargraves would be nice, but expensive; especially when you consider all the cork roadbed I would need! I also went around and did a lot of paint touch-ups to my "oatmeal". Now that it is fully cured, there have been cracks opened up that need colored in. No big deal. Actually, it was a good opportunity to add some color to areas that I thought were a little drab anyway. Well, real RR's have on-going maintenance and so does my hirail RR! I wonder what future maintenance projects will entail. We'll find out soon enough! http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy, The American Flyer Nerd

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63514	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 2/16/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific

Their intention was to go completely DC and only offer AC models to those with existing setups that wanted to continue with what Gilbert thought was obsolete technolgy. Hence the DC was meant to be the normal range and did not require a suffix. The other was meant to be the exception and hence required the suffix til it was phased out completely. Unfortunately their thermionic valve technology was not up to the task and had to be abandoned so that the AC returned to the norm, and the only items available following the discontinuation of the DC range and no longer required the suffix. As to AC standing for Air Chime - that is only one of those childhood myths that abounded at the time when we were all much more ignorant than we are today (we hope!) Alistair On Thu 17/02/11 3:52 AM , Dale Smith dfsmith26@... sent: That explains a lot, as a black coupler would place it out of the years when smoke was in the tender and the reverse unit in the boiler. One Greenberg guide does list a variation of a 310 with a "black weighted coupler from 1948", (I thought 1948 coupler weights were brass) I think this is either a 310 or 312 (minus its smoke unit) from 1947 As to the weight in the tender, I don't have a 310 that I can compare, but the guides don't mention it. Perhaps it was added by a previous owner. As to the AC standing for Air Chime, that would throw the generally accepted belief that it stands for AC current out the window. I can't provide evidence in the form of factory documents, but the first bit of evidence is that the 312AC did not have an Air Chime whistle. Also, other models that carried the "AC" suffix did not have the whistle, for example the 300AC, 302AC, 322AC, and 332AC. Add to that the fact that the numbering system used did have a code for the presence of an Air Chime whistle, in the form of the last digit of the 3 digit number, which was a 5 (or a 6 if the locomotive also had Pullmor). I have to admit that it is curious that Gilbert marked some locomotives "AC" even where there were no DC versions and even more curiously made some DC versions that were not marked DC. I would think it would be much more important to mark DC locomotives as DC, because they could be damaged on AC , whereas it would be no big deal to operate an AC locomotive on direct current. Dale Smith On 2/16/2011 5:18 AM, David Haslauer wrote: > > It has a link coupler with a weight. The weight is black but it may be > this > color because it was painted. I see brass under the paint. > Does this help?? > > ________________________________ > From: "HOwingsiii@... [1] " > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] > Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 5:25:53 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Question about a K5 Pacific > > > > If the reverse is in the boiler it's probably a 312. What's the > coupler look > like? > Harwood > > -----Original Message----- > From: afironhorse > To: S-Trains > > Sent: Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:47 pm > Subject: [S-Trains] Question about a K5 Pacific > > I have a 4-6-2 and the number is nolonger there. I'm thinking this may > be a > #312AC but I'm not sure. The E-unit is in the boiler. The tender has a > shell and > chassie for a SIT but no smoke unit just weights in the shell. It has > a link > coupler with the black weight. Do you think this is a #312AC?? > > David > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:HOwingsiii@... [2] mailto:HOwingsiii@... [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [4] mailto:afironhorse@... [5] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [6] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Question%20about%20a%20K5%20Pacific [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvcDllYW00BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzUxMQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTc4OTc1MzM-?act=reply&messageNum=63511 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/63486;_ylc=X3oDMTM0c2k5Yzk1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzUxMQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTc4OTc1MzMEdHBjSWQDNjM0ODY- [9] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63515	From: David Haslauer	Date: 2/16/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific

OK, my apologies, I have two K5's that are in pretty bad shape and I got them mixed up. One I know is a 312 and the other that I'm asking about I supplied one wrong bit of info. This one does have a link coupler but it does not have a weight. I checked out the smoke stack and I see a "L"' shape brass tube and a short piece of smoke tube stuck to it. I haven't taken it apart yet but so far(looking through the cracks) I don't see any dates inside the boiler. ________________________________ From: David Haslauer <afironhorse@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, February 16, 2011 7:29:30 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Question about a K5 Pacific I'll check on the hole in smoke stack when I get off of work today, but I'm pretty sure it has a hole. David ________________________________ From: Al <albaker33@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 7:45:28 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Question about a K5 Pacific Does the smoke stack have a hole in it, or is it solid? If solid, the loco is a 310, if a hole, it is a 312. The tender is from a 312 if it has the holes for the smoke unit - I am not aware of any 310 tenders built that way? Is there a hole in the coal bed where the filler tube was? If so, that was for a 312. Al Baker [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63516	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/16/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific

That does make sense. I looked and noted that the DC locos without the "DC" suffix tended for the most part to be the earlier locos, leading to the conclusion that "DC" was only added when it looked like it a permanent changeover was not in the cards. It is a good thing because another issue was about to raise its ugly head and that was a shortage of the permanent magnet material, alnico, as a result of war time production for the Korean War. It is generally thought that the Gilbert HO line went on "hiatus" between 1951 and 1954 because of this magnet material shortage. It also is what probably ended the DC experiment in the S gauge line at about the same time. Dale On 2/16/2011 5:38 PM, alizoo@... wrote: > > Their intention was to go completely DC and only offer AC models to > those with existing setups that wanted to continue with what Gilbert > thought was obsolete technolgy. Hence the DC was meant to be the > normal range and did not require a suffix. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63517	From: Herbert	Date: 2/17/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific

Dale, Your explanation is correct. They could not get alnico magnets due to Korean War restrictions so that any supposed problems with thermionic valve wold be academic, although it is true that rectifying the DC was costly. Only some small manufacturers were allowed to use alnico to allow them to stay in business. Gabe Monaco told me many years ago that in the early 1950's boom years they were considering a control system that would have AC and DC engines on the same track with AC and DC both flowing. Is it possible to filter out ac so the dc engines would not be destroyed? I'm afraid I may have misunderstood him. Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > That does make sense. I looked and noted that the DC locos without the > "DC" suffix tended for the most part to be the earlier locos, leading to > the conclusion that "DC" was only added when it looked like it a > permanent changeover was not in the cards. It is a good thing because > another issue was about to raise its ugly head and that was a shortage > of the permanent magnet material, alnico, as a result of war time > production for the Korean War. It is generally thought that the > Gilbert HO line went on "hiatus" between 1951 and 1954 because of this > magnet material shortage. It also is what probably ended the DC > experiment in the S gauge line at about the same time. > > Dale > > On 2/16/2011 5:38 PM, alizoo@... wrote: > > > > Their intention was to go completely DC and only offer AC models to > > those with existing setups that wanted to continue with what Gilbert > > thought was obsolete technolgy. Hence the DC was meant to be the > > normal range and did not require a suffix. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63518	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/17/2011
Subject: Question about K-5 Pacific

I have often wondered why Gilbert didn't go to DC power for their trains. They had already taken the risk to go from O gauge to S, and build close to scale trains which required larger curve radius. Why not go straight DC since American Flyer was closer to "model" trains than Lionel. After all, the technology was there, HO had been using it! American Flyer, positioned between Lionel and Marx "toys" and the growing HO "scale" train market could have draw from both worlds. Since they had already separated themselves from O gauge, there would have been no reason to stick with AC power. Having used both AC trains and DC trains for years, there is no doubt in my mind that running straight DC power is superior to AC. And it would have cut the manufacturing and assembly costs of needing a reverse unit. All my rebuilt junk box locos are equipped with DC can motors from SnS Trains, and there are no troublesome "e-units" to rebuilt or to stick from sitting around. But alas, American Flyer DC was not to be, aside from the short run of them in the early fifties, and even then with the rectifier between transformer and track, which gained AF nothing in manufacturing costs. I, for one, feel that's really too bad. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63519	From: MikeS	Date: 2/17/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Very interesting. Also illuminating to follow your progress. Mike Spanier --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > Hi Everyone! > > I had some maintenance issues to deal with on my fledgling RR. Specifically: > > I had to replace a 6' section of curved track today. When I hand-laid it, I knew I would have to replace it someday and it turned out to be sooner, rather than later. In general, I'm not real happy with my hand-spiked track using short, vintage rails. It's proving to be unstable as to gauge and I think it will only get worse as the weather changes. True, I could spike down the rails at every tie, but that is quite tedious. All-in-all, I gotta say that the appearance of the hand-spiked track is not appreciably better than sectional track, once the sectional track is fortified with added wooden ties and ballasted. I don't think the appearance of the hand-laid track is better enough to justify all the effort it takes to lay it down. So, I'll pick up a box of junk track at York and use that to slowly replace the hand-spiked track with re-bent sectional track. An upgrade to Gargraves would be nice, but expensive; especially when you consider all the cork roadbed I would need! > > I also went around and did a lot of paint touch-ups to my "oatmeal". Now that it is fully cured, there have been cracks opened up that need colored in. No big deal. Actually, it was a good opportunity to add some color to areas that I thought were a little drab anyway. > > Well, real RR's have on-going maintenance and so does my hirail RR! I wonder what future maintenance projects will entail. We'll find out soon enough! > > http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ > > Regards, > > Timboy, The American Flyer Nerd >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63520	From: George Cohn	Date: 2/17/2011
Subject: Re: Question about K-5 Pacific

On 2/17/2011 7:01 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > I have often wondered why Gilbert didn't go to DC power for their > trains. It was probably another case of the technology was not up to the vision. Keep in mind that during that period, there were no solid state diodes or rectifiers other than the selenium type. Vacuum tubes were commonly used as rectifiers and couldn't provide the large amounts of current needed at a reasonable price. Solid state "silicon rectifier diodes" didn't become common place until the '70's and by then, AC Gilbert was long gone. The same could be said for a lot of the visionary ideas of the period. The desktop computer and concept of the laptop was developed at XEROX PARC in the late '60's but it took another 20 years for the technology to catch up to make them economically feasible. We can do marvelous things now with a handful of tiny silicon chips that AC would have never dreamed of. That's why you now have all of the dc control systems that can produce sounds and control toys from a little console. It's a miracle that he was able to prove GE wrong and invent enameled wire that even made the small AC motors of the era possible. Think of what a visionary like him could do if he had today's technology at his disposal! :-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63521	From: cvlk	Date: 2/17/2011
Subject: Re: Question about K-5 Pacific

My AF was DC because when my dad got briefly hooked on Model Railroading the second engine he bought "for me" was a Miller-powered metal bodied Alco S-2 switcher. (for those of you that aren't familiar with the Miller Laboratories power trucks, they had axle-mounted armatures and used both wheels, segmented electrically, as armature plates. No reduction gearing, ran fast as hell with little traction effort. The S-2 metal body was loaded with plumbers lead solder and 3 of the 4 axles had motors on them.... and it would barely pull 3 balsa-framed cardboard sided reefers and a plastic framed flyer caboose without a light in it. The trucks were free-wheeling and once at speed (high!!) throwing the reverse provided some braking action but usually not enough to prevent the engine from flying off the curve and into the concrete basement wall!!!) He converted over my AF Hudson to DC and bought everything else (three 0-8-0s, a PA/PB, and a Northern) in factory DC or converted them over. A AF Circus engine bought used repainted in Green with a White Stripe (anybody ever come across it after I resold it to LaGrange Hobbies in IL?) and a UP GP7 both AC were the only other engines. Of course, AC worked perfectly fine on a DC layout (Marnold throttles). I imagine that Flyer did not stick with DC because the market didn't demand it and they didn't create what would later be known as a "power pack" for DC. The acceptance of a transformer with a separate rectifier just wasn't clean enough for the trainset market. DC would have eliminated the problems with reversers (although it seems to me that the Lionel ones were a bigger repair item than the Gilbert version). Maybe not being having the potential to use DC to operate the whistle was a consideration (although AF didn't get around the Lionel patents on that IRRC). Charlie Vlk I have often wondered why Gilbert didn't go to DC power for their trains. They had already taken the risk to go from O gauge to S, and build close to scale trains which required larger curve radius. Why not go straight DC since American Flyer was closer to "model" trains than Lionel. After all, the technology was there, HO had been using it! American Flyer, positioned between Lionel and Marx "toys" and the growing HO "scale" train market could have draw from both worlds. Since they had already separated themselves from O gauge, there would have been no reason to stick with AC power. Having used both AC trains and DC trains for years, there is no doubt in my mind that running straight DC power is superior to AC. And it would have cut the manufacturing and assembly costs of needing a reverse unit. All my rebuilt junk box locos are equipped with DC can motors from SnS Trains, and there are no troublesome "e-units" to rebuilt or to stick from sitting around. But alas, American Flyer DC was not to be, aside from the short run of them in the early fifties, and even then with the rectifier between transformer and track, which gained AF nothing in manufacturing costs. I, for one, feel that's really too bad. Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63522	From: Thorin	Date: 2/17/2011
Subject: Re: Flyer Lift Out Bridge

Phono plugs are brilliant. If this bridge were hinged on one end, I would recommend a second hinge for the 'free' end. Mount the second hinge to the layout (not the bridge) so the bridge rests on the hinge. (This is great safety if the bridge gets away -- it will stop when it hits the hinge.) Then mount the other end of the second hinge to the bridge. Last pull the pin and raise the bridge. When you put it back down, push in the pin. That will lock it into place. This lock is also good against humidity changes. I often replace the second hinge's pin with a piece of rod the same diameter. Then I add a 90 degree bend to make a handle. This commentary assumes the bridge hinges UP. If hinged down, you will want to mount the second hinge to the bridge first so when it swings up, the second hinge hits the underside of the layout. Thorin --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Hi Scott, > > When I did this job in the past, I mounted the bridge using 1/4 inch > phono plugs - one at each corner. That gave metal-to-metal for > alignment, a detent to hold things in place and provided the electrical > contacts as well. > > Bill > > Reply from Bill Porter > South Florida > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Scott > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 8:12 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer Lift Out Bridge > > > Hey, > Im trying to perfect a lift out bridge for flyer. I have gargraves, > showcase, and flyer track readily available. I have the power down, but > I need help woth alignment. Thanks. > > Scott >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63523	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 2/17/2011
Subject: Possible answer to Question

I remember sometime after Dad got us our set that his was explaining the reason for choosing Flyer. He said it was a question of safety. If he let us small boys loose on it and turned his head, sooner or later we would put our hand or foot on the track and complete a circuit. By being AC it would "tickle" us and make us turn loose. If it had of been DC, it could have hurt us a lot more before we got loose. I don't know how valid his thinking was. By that time we knew "that the stove was HOT." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63524	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 2/17/2011
Subject: Re: Possible answer to Question

On 2/17/2011 7:02 PM, A. E. Johnson wrote: > I remember sometime after Dad got us our set that > his was explaining the reason for choosing Flyer. > He said it was a question of safety. If he let us > small boys loose on it and turned his head, sooner > or later we would put our hand or foot on the track > and complete a circuit. By being AC it would "tickle" > us and make us turn loose. If it had of been DC, it > could have hurt us a lot more before we got loose. > I don't know how valid his thinking was. Not so valid. There is never enough juice to hurt anyone on any model train tracks, and for obvious reasons. I've heard that AC DC thing before, I suppose the idea is that since AC transitions through 0 voltage, one has short opportunities to get away. I don't think it works that way at any level. I got a real good hit of 240 VAC once, and I could not move. I escaped by involuntarily falling away. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63525	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/17/2011
Subject: Re: Question about a K5 Pacific

Herb, My understanding is that it is possible to use capacitors to pass alternating current and block DC. This is the way capacitors work in filtered DC power supplies. The capacitor passes the unwanted AC pulses back to the source through the capacitor which is wired parallel to the line. I am not sure if a series capacitor could also be used to pass the AC and block the DC. Also, I would think there would need to be some sort of dummy load on the current fed back. I am not even sure the two currents, at different voltages can be mixed in one line. My understanding of how the 314AW and Lionel whistles worked was to substitute DC current for AC at the push of the button, with just a small capacitor bleeding AC into the line to keep the train from slowing down too much. Maybe someone else can comment on this. As to what Gabe meant, I know that the old flyer catalogs talked about two trains on one track, but they were both controlled by the DC power supply. The only separate control was of the reverse function, sequence for the AC train, and polarity for the DC train. Dale On 2/17/2011 2:21 AM, Herbert wrote: > > Gabe Monaco told me many years ago that in the early 1950's > boom years they were considering a control system that would have AC > and DC engines on the same track with AC and DC both flowing. Is it > possible to filter out ac so the dc engines would not be destroyed? > I'm afraid I may have misunderstood him. > Herb Wasserman > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63526	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/17/2011
Subject: Two train control on one track

Herb's comment about his conversation with Gabe Monaco started me thinking, so I went to the US patent and trademark website and found the following patent, No. 3,024,739, filed on June 4, 1958. Herb was exactly correct in his interpretation of what Gabe said. In short, a choke blocked AC from the DC locomotive and a capacitor blocked DC from the AC locomotive. Both were in series. The full patent can be found by going to the following link. The circuit diagram is at page 3. *http://tinyurl.com/4mewf4t* All in all a very ingenious system. We can only wonder why it wasn't put into production. Perhaps it was a bit to complicated or perhaps it didn't work as well in practice as it was said to in the papers presented. It was interesting to note that the motors were said to draw 1/4 amp for the DC motor and 1 1/2 amps for the AC motor. I guess the difference is from the lack of a field coil. Perhaps we have overestimated the need for high power DC, which might only be needed if you were operating AC motors from a DC source. Has anyone ever checked the current draw of a Gilbert DC motor to see if this is an accurate estimate? Dale [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63527	From: Herbert	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: Two train control on one track

Thanks Dale for confirming what i thought I heard. Herb --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > Herb's comment about his conversation with Gabe Monaco started me > thinking, so I went to the US patent and trademark website and found the > following patent, No. 3,024,739, filed on June 4, 1958. Herb was > exactly correct in his interpretation of what Gabe said. In short, a > choke blocked AC from the DC locomotive and a capacitor blocked DC from > the AC locomotive. Both were in series. The full patent can be > found by going to the following link. The circuit diagram is at page 3. > *http://tinyurl.com/4mewf4t* All in all a very ingenious system. We > can only wonder why it wasn't put into production. Perhaps it was a > bit to complicated or perhaps it didn't work as well in practice as it > was said to in the papers presented. > > It was interesting to note that the motors were said to draw 1/4 amp for > the DC motor and 1 1/2 amps for the AC motor. I guess the difference is > from the lack of a field coil. Perhaps we have overestimated the need > for high power DC, which might only be needed if you were operating AC > motors from a DC source. Has anyone ever checked the current draw of a > Gilbert DC motor to see if this is an accurate estimate? > > Dale > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63528	From: Robert	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: An inspirational idea

I think I mentioned that back in June I suffered 3 heart attacks between June 11 and 16. Yesterday, Feb 16, I had to have an echocardiogram and while I was ubder the anesthesia I had an inspirational idea. Though not 100% original I don't see why it could not be done in S as it has in HO. The idea is for a "generic" F-unit. This is a basic F-unit body shell with separate side panels for portholes and roof panels for fans and dynamic brakes and a freight or passenger pilot. With this kit the modeler could build any F-unit from the FT to the F-9 simply by adding the appropriate side panels for portholes and roof panels for different engine cooling fans and dynamic brake fans and the correct pilot depending on if the prototype modeled used them or did not use them.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63529	From: Robert	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Previous posting

I think I got the sign in problem solved.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63530	From: Bob	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: Two train control on one track

Why is it when I go to the bottom of these messages and click on visit my group I am told I am not a member of the group? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63531	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea

The idea is a good one, for every F-unit EXCEPT the FT. There are real differences there, including a different wheelbase. Unfortunately, S Gaugers seem to shy away from something that's been done before, even if poorly. A case in point is the Enhorning F3. Also, I suspect that S-Helper's F-units have a similar construction already. Seeing the thoroughness that Don Thompson applies to all his locomotive projects, I wouldn't be surprised. Please note: message attached From: "Robert" <danceswithwolves49@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] An inspirational idea Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 07:29:46 -0000 ____________________________________________________________ Kill Your Wrinkles Mom Reveals Shocking $5 method for erasing wrinkles...Doctors hate her http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d5e68396122b3df28bst02duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63532	From: Timboy	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: AC vs. DC

Hello: 1) Running Flyer trains on DC provides a special challenge for reverse loops. It necessitates passing lanes and more extensive block control on the mainline and isn't too much fun, IMHO. Serious modelers don't seem to mind that, but us kids back in the day would have found it daunting and frustrating. 2) If you've ever "peed" on an electric fence, you'll appreciate that they are powered by AC, rather than DC! lol I don't know what that has to do with model trains, but I couldn't resist making this comment, from experience. lol Regards, Timboy, An American Flyer Nerd

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63533	From: Carey Probst	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: Two train control on one track

Are you set to automatically log in to Yahoo? I am and have no problems getting in when I click on visit group. If the upper left hand corner doesn't say Hi, your name then you aren't being gged in automatically. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 2/18/2011 1:56 AM, Bob wrote: > > Why is it when I go to the bottom of these messages and click on visit > my group I am told I am not a member of the group? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63534	From: Timboy	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Mike: Thanks! I took a short test video of my new layout and uploaded it to YouTube. It is short and to the point. No long intro; no intensive editing. It shows two trains running around most of my layout. Here is a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYWJtyLdvTU And of course, my blog: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy, An American Flyer Nerd

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63535	From: michael prell	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Tim, That is fantastic! Goes to show what time, imagination and patience will accomplish. Thanks! Mike S-notpuppy-Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Fri, 2/18/11, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote: From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Building a large AF layout To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 18, 2011, 11:03 AM   Mike: Thanks! I took a short test video of my new layout and uploaded it to YouTube. It is short and to the point. No long intro; no intensive editing. It shows two trains running around most of my layout. Here is a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYWJtyLdvTU And of course, my blog: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy, An American Flyer Nerd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63536	From: Carey Probst	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

WOW, from the blog I could see you did good work but I had no idea of the size of the layout. Now I am really impressed with what you have done and the time you took to do it. Wish I could get up the ambition to tackle my projects the way you have. I'm going through the phase now where I just can't seem to complete anything. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 2/18/2011 11:03 AM, Timboy wrote: > > Mike: > > Thanks! > > I took a short test video of my new layout and uploaded it to YouTube. > It is short and to the point. No long intro; no intensive editing. It > shows two trains running around most of my layout. > > Here is a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYWJtyLdvTU > > And of course, my blog: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ > > Regards, > > Timboy, An American Flyer Nerd > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63537	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea

That is a great idea. You should do it. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 2:30 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] An inspirational idea I think I mentioned that back in June I suffered 3 heart attacks between June 11 and 16. Yesterday, Feb 16, I had to have an echocardiogram and while I was ubder the anesthesia I had an inspirational idea. Though not 100% original I don't see why it could not be done in S as it has in HO. The idea is for a "generic" F-unit. This is a basic F-unit body shell with separate side panels for portholes and roof panels for fans and dynamic brakes and a freight or passenger pilot. With this kit the modeler could build any F-unit from the FT to the F-9 simply by adding the appropriate side panels for portholes and roof panels for different engine cooling fans and dynamic brake fans and the correct pilot depending on if the prototype modeled used them or did not use them.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63538	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea

Dear Robert, That is exactly what we did with the SHS F units. With help and many suggestions from Ron Sebastian of Des Plaines Hobbies, our F unit nose was made so that inserts for two other numberboards could be added later, our fan tool as room for a 48" dynamic brake fan. We made the rear door, fans, bearing, steam heat parts, etc. separate so that different versions could be made. We can change the side panels insets of the body tool so that anything from a FT to FL9 can be made. Of course the FT, FP and FL versions would all need new frames. Don On Feb 18, 2011, at 2:29 AM, Robert wrote: > I think I mentioned that back in June I suffered 3 heart attacks > between June 11 and 16. Yesterday, Feb 16, I had to have an > echocardiogram and while I was ubder the anesthesia I had an > inspirational idea. Though not 100% original I don't see why it > could not be done in S as it has in HO. The idea is for a "generic" > F-unit. This is a basic F-unit body shell with separate side panels > for portholes and roof panels for fans and dynamic brakes and a > freight or passenger pilot. With this kit the modeler could build > any F-unit from the FT to the F-9 simply by adding the appropriate > side panels for portholes and roof panels for different engine > cooling fans and dynamic brake fans and the correct pilot depending > on if the prototype modeled used them or did not use them.. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63539	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea

Thanks Bill, if I had the knowhow or the financing I'd definitely go for it. Bob To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: wpporter@... Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:17:22 -0500 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] An inspirational idea That is a great idea. You should do it. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 2:30 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] An inspirational idea I think I mentioned that back in June I suffered 3 heart attacks between June 11 and 16. Yesterday, Feb 16, I had to have an echocardiogram and while I was ubder the anesthesia I had an inspirational idea. Though not 100% original I don't see why it could not be done in S as it has in HO. The idea is for a "generic" F-unit. This is a basic F-unit body shell with separate side panels for portholes and roof panels for fans and dynamic brakes and a freight or passenger pilot. With this kit the modeler could build any F-unit from the FT to the F-9 simply by adding the appropriate side panels for portholes and roof panels for different engine cooling fans and dynamic brake fans and the correct pilot depending on if the prototype modeled used them or did not use them. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63540	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea

Unfortunately I don't know Don personally but hope to. I faintly remember seeing his ads in the now out of print 3/16 SCALE MODEL RAILROADING MAGAZINE of the late 1980's. Too bad it went out of print as it was a very good magazine. I'd like to see someone like Don or American Models produce that model. You are correct.I forgot there was a difference in the wheelbase of the FT from the other F-units. Still be a good project. Wish i had the knowhow and finanxcing. I'd tackle the project in a heartbeat. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: schwartzsj@... Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:37:23 +0000 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] An inspirational idea The idea is a good one, for every F-unit EXCEPT the FT. There are real differences there, including a different wheelbase. Unfortunately, S Gaugers seem to shy away from something that's been done before, even if poorly. A case in point is the Enhorning F3. Also, I suspect that S-Helper's F-units have a similar construction already. Seeing the thoroughness that Don Thompson applies to all his locomotive projects, I wouldn't be surprised. Please note: message attached From: "Robert" <danceswithwolves49@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] An inspirational idea Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 07:29:46 -0000 __________________________________________________________ Kill Your Wrinkles Mom Reveals Shocking $5 method for erasing wrinkles...Doctors hate her http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d5e68396122b3df28bst02duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63541	From: richs009	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Tim -- great layout. Nice to see the K-5 (like mine) running around the layout. You have posted your track plan in your blog, but is that layout up-to-date or is there an 'as-built' that supersedes it? regards, Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > Mike: > > Thanks! > > I took a short test video of my new layout and uploaded it to YouTube. It is short and to the point. No long intro; no intensive editing. It shows two trains running around most of my layout. > > Here is a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYWJtyLdvTU > > And of course, my blog: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ > > Regards, > > Timboy, An American Flyer Nerd >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63542	From: Timboy	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Hello! Thanks for the nice comments! Rich, that track plan got modified on-the-fly. Turns out I didn't have the room I thought I would have when I actually got the footprint of the bench work down. I guess I could have squeezed all those sidings in that I show on the track plan, but I didn't want to. Here's a question. I figure I have about 400 feet of running track. All of my track is interconnected, so the whole RR is one huge double loop. How many square miles of track do I have in S gauge? I come up with 4.85. That can't be right, so let's see. The back wall is 40 feet long and there are 4 tracks that run the length of it. That equals 160 feet. There are two ends, each are about 20 feet long and there are four tracks on each. That equals another 160 feet. There are 2 dog bones with 2 loops of tracks on each and each of them is about 20 feet long. So I get about 400 feet (give or take). If American Flyer trains are 1/64th scale and there are 5,280 feet in a mile, then one scale mile equals 82.5 feet. Take my 400 feet and divide it by 82.5 and I get 4.85 scale miles. Seems like a lot of track to me! Is that right? Regards, Timboy, An American Flyer Nerd With Possibly a HUGE Layout

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63543	From: Robert Conner	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Nice job you did Tim..... Makes me want to redo my 4 x 8 layout.... Anybody have any ideas for a 2'-8" to 3'-0" wide around the 13'-6" x 9'-4" room.... with a 3' lift out in one curved corner... ( lower left as you view the plan)With lots of running and lots of Accessories... In Florida we don't have big basements... Maybe a prize for best idea???? All the plans I see are "HOW I SQUEEZED MY LAYOUT IN MY 40' x 70' ROOM!!!!!! Bob Conner --- On Fri, 2/18/11, richs009 <richs009@...> wrote: From: richs009 <richs009@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Building a large AF layout To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 18, 2011, 2:35 PM   Tim -- great layout. Nice to see the K-5 (like mine) running around the layout. You have posted your track plan in your blog, but is that layout up-to-date or is there an 'as-built' that supersedes it? regards, Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > Mike: > > Thanks! > > I took a short test video of my new layout and uploaded it to YouTube. It is short and to the point. No long intro; no intensive editing. It shows two trains running around most of my layout. > > Here is a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYWJtyLdvTU > > And of course, my blog: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ > > Regards, > > Timboy, An American Flyer Nerd > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63544	From: richs009	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Tim -- Your math is right, I get the same number. I got a similar (smaller) number when I counted up all of the AF sectional track I have. the 138 pieces of straight and 104 pieces of Flyer curve, plus some miscellaneous pieces, add up to just under 3 scale miles... - Rich ps BTW, if you are interested, I can dig up a picture of my "camera car" - a modified caboose chassis on which I mounted an ordinary digital camera. Most of the new(-ish) digital cameras have a movie mode, so I just used that and dumped the file(s) onto my MAC and used iMovie. the whole thing was short enough so it would go through my flyer bridge. The track view pictures were a lot of fun -- on your layout I'm sure they would be awesome with the scenery and tunnels. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > Hello! > > Thanks for the nice comments! Rich, that track plan got modified on-the-fly. Turns out I didn't have the room I thought I would have when I actually got the footprint of the bench work down. I guess I could have squeezed all those sidings in that I show on the track plan, but I didn't want to. > > Here's a question. I figure I have about 400 feet of running track. All of my track is interconnected, so the whole RR is one huge double loop. How many square miles of track do I have in S gauge? I come up with 4.85. That can't be right, so let's see. The back wall is 40 feet long and there are 4 tracks that run the length of it. That equals 160 feet. There are two ends, each are about 20 feet long and there are four tracks on each. That equals another 160 feet. There are 2 dog bones with 2 loops of tracks on each and each of them is about 20 feet long. So I get about 400 feet (give or take). If American Flyer trains are 1/64th scale and there are 5,280 feet in a mile, then one scale mile equals 82.5 feet. Take my 400 feet and divide it by 82.5 and I get 4.85 scale miles. Seems like a lot of track to me! Is that right? > > Regards, > Timboy, An American Flyer Nerd With Possibly a HUGE Layout >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63545	From: David	Date: 2/18/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Hi Tim, That's looking super nice! Now mount your camera on a flatcar and give us an engineer's eye view like my video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al7bZKdxsnE Run 'em if you got 'em! David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > Mike: > > Thanks! > > I took a short test video of my new layout and uploaded it to YouTube. It is short and to the point. No long intro; no intensive editing. It shows two trains running around most of my layout. > > Here is a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYWJtyLdvTU > > And of course, my blog: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ > > Regards, > > Timboy, An American Flyer Nerd >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63546	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/19/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea

Thanks Don, Sounds like I was a day late and a dollar short lol. Are your F-units still in production and if not will you be producing them again in the future? I'm very partial to the F-units because I had an uncle who was an engineer on the Northern Pacific out of Missoula, MT he was in charge of the NorthCoast Limited from Missoula to Paradise, MT. By the way please, call me Bob all my friends do. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: don@... Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:05:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] An inspirational idea Dear Robert, That is exactly what we did with the SHS F units. With help and many suggestions from Ron Sebastian of Des Plaines Hobbies, our F unit nose was made so that inserts for two other numberboards could be added later, our fan tool as room for a 48" dynamic brake fan. We made the rear door, fans, bearing, steam heat parts, etc. separate so that different versions could be made. We can change the side panels insets of the body tool so that anything from a FT to FL9 can be made. Of course the FT, FP and FL versions would all need new frames. Don On Feb 18, 2011, at 2:29 AM, Robert wrote: > I think I mentioned that back in June I suffered 3 heart attacks > between June 11 and 16. Yesterday, Feb 16, I had to have an > echocardiogram and while I was ubder the anesthesia I had an > inspirational idea. Though not 100% original I don't see why it > could not be done in S as it has in HO. The idea is for a "generic" > F-unit. This is a basic F-unit body shell with separate side panels > for portholes and roof panels for fans and dynamic brakes and a > freight or passenger pilot. With this kit the modeler could build > any F-unit from the FT to the F-9 simply by adding the appropriate > side panels for portholes and roof panels for different engine > cooling fans and dynamic brake fans and the correct pilot depending > on if the prototype modeled used them or did not use them.. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63547	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/19/2011
Subject: Re: Two train control on one track

Thanks Carey, that's exactly what the problem was. I thought it was set up for auto login.....see what happens when I do my own thinking lol > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > From: s-scale@... > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:06:56 -0500 > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Two train control on one track > > Are you set to automatically log in to Yahoo? > > I am and have no problems getting in when I click on visit group. > > If the upper left hand corner doesn't say Hi, your name then you aren't > being gged in automatically. > > Carey > > Carey Probst > > Member, M.I.T. Educational Council > > S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF > > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, > > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. > > > On 2/18/2011 1:56 AM, Bob wrote: > > > > Why is it when I go to the bottom of these messages and click on visit > > my group I am told I am not a member of the group? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63548	From: Robert	Date: 2/19/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "richs009" <richs009@...> wrote: > > Tim -- Your math is right, I get the same number. I got a similar (smaller) number when I counted up all of the AF sectional track I have. the 138 pieces of straight and 104 pieces of Flyer curve, plus some miscellaneous pieces, add up to just under 3 scale miles... > > - Rich I'm sure that you guys probably know this but a means to discover how many feet equals a scale mile is by dividing the length of a mile which, as we know, is 5,280 feet by the scale proportion which in our case is 64 so that 82' 6" equals one scale mile. Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63549	From: Timboy	Date: 2/19/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

David: I enjoyed that video! But you gave me some "high anxiety" and vertigo sometimes! lol Hey! Bring it on over! I'll give you unlimited run time with all Semaphores green! Regards, Timboy, An American Flyer Nerd

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63550	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 2/19/2011
Subject: Train Show in Michigan

The big Ann Arbor Model RR Club's annual train show is tomorrow Sunday, 20 Feb, in the Saline Middle School, 7190 No Maple Rd, Saline Mich. The hours are 10 AM to 4 PM. I will be there with 10 tables of S scale goods from American Models, SHS, and several other manufacturers. In spite of all the talk about factory problems, I guarantee I will have lots of stuff you still don't have but very much need. Ninety nine percent of it is American Flyer-compatible. I have got restocked on AM highrail turnouts and have some of the new red Norfolk Western GP9 locomotives in highrail, AC & DC. Tom Hawley -- dba Michigan Models [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63551	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/19/2011
Subject: An inspirational idea & track miles

Morning from SNOWY California! (Yes it snowed clear down to my house--granted, the rain has now washed most of it away, but there's still almost an inch on the top of my truck (almost an inch--that's not a real snowstorm! Well, down here it 'tis; these folks don't know how to handle it!--you can't pay me to get on the road with these flatlanders!) Back to trains: Don is talking about his tooling being set up sectionally, which is a great way to get more variety out of less tooling. Robert is talkng about having the parts themselves made seperately so the buyer could assemble whatever they wanted. This too, is a great idea; but only marketable to those who like building and painting models. Today that is a very small part of the marketplace. True, an apparently (if you read the S-scale group) a very vocal part, but still probably too small to justify the costs to manufacture. Don, feel free to break in here--hopefully I've been clear on this! If not, then I'll blame it on starvation (no breakfast yet--hey it's a Saturday that I don't have to work--I slept in (and missed the snowstorm). I'll be at the Sacramento Valley AF club meeting Sunday, so y'all have a great chat! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63552	From: SSabino39@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Fabulous, incredible layout. How large is it ? Best in the world ? Unbelieveable. Rich -----Original Message----- From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Feb 18, 2011 11:14 am Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Building a large AF layout Mike: Thanks! I took a short test video of my new layout and uploaded it to YouTube. It is short and to the point. No long intro; no intensive editing. It shows two trains running around most of my layout. Here is a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYWJtyLdvTU And of course, my blog: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy, An American Flyer Nerd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63553	From: Timboy	Date: 2/19/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Hi Everyone! Ken asked my how I built my deck bridges. I posted a how-to on my blog. My deck bridges are all built now, so I couldn't go from start-to-finish, but I tried to pose a few pics of how I did it and all the details necessary. Here is a link to that post on my blog: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ Rich: Thanks for your compliment! My vintage-style Flyer hirail layout is in it's very own room in my basement. That room measures 20X40. There is about 400 feet of running track, or about 5 scale miles. It is a free-lance branch line. Best in the world? Hardly. But sometimes I will use hyperbole facetiously. Regards, Timboy, An American Flyer Nerd

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63554	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/19/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea & track miles

Any one that purchased our undec F7 or F3s know that parts were included for both nose doors, dynamic brake panels, fans (F3 only) or steam heat parts to make specific versions of that phase of F unit. As far as one F unit making all phases accurately, that would require parts for two different rear roof overhangs, windshield gaskets, side door corners, etc... One thing I learned from Ron S. was that EMD was constantly upgrading their products. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63555	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 2/19/2011
Subject: Cardstock Buildings in S

I've never built any of their models, but I noticed that they offer S scale versions.. http://clevermodels.squarespace.com/models-gallery/ Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63556	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/19/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea & track miles

When I was a teenager I had an uncle who was an engineer on the NP out of Missoula MT on the North Coast Limited. He operated F-units and told me one time that the F-units were about like any GM motor vehicle. As he said it, "scads of options." To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: don@... Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 17:04:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] An inspirational idea & track miles Any one that purchased our undec F7 or F3s know that parts were included for both nose doors, dynamic brake panels, fans (F3 only) or steam heat parts to make specific versions of that phase of F unit. As far as one F unit making all phases accurately, that would require parts for two different rear roof overhangs, windshield gaskets, side door corners, etc... One thing I learned from Ron S. was that EMD was constantly upgrading their products. Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63557	From: barb	Date: 2/19/2011
Subject: Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 5190

Tim, You have done a great job with your layout. It looks wonderful and your K5 runs like a deer. Congrats!!! Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63558	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/20/2011
Subject: An inspirational idea & track miles PS

Yoicks! I forgot about the track miles part. "Scaling" the miles doesn't work well in our hobby; as you can see from Timboy's wonderful layout, it appears to represent many, many miles of a railroad--but in math, not many. We must compress distance in a manner that fools the eye, as few of us own an aircraft hanger in which to build a layout to distance scale (hmm, maybe it should be a blimp hanger!). One of the oldest modeling tricks is to break up the visibility of the entire train; small hills, short tunnels, a building, even a through bridge will do that and make one think the train is longer than it really is. That's part of the challenge of building a layout; making it believable (or for some us, so busy that the eye doesn't know where to stop). As long as we're having fun!! Speaking of fun, off to the Sacramento AF Club meeting/holiday party, but first a stop to look at some player piano parts for a friend. S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63559	From: Eric	Date: 2/20/2011
Subject: Extra stuff for sale........

I found a box of long forgotton rollingstock yesterday. Before I put it on Ebay, here is a chance for the groups. I would like to sell this a a lot but I could break it up if necessary, Everything has high-rail wheels and knuckle couplers but of course could be easily changed. There are 6 s gauge cars: 1. PRS - Pennsylvania 73233 50 ft boxcar ace trucks, am couplers has some dullcoat overspray which should be redone. 2. PRS - Great Northern green 50 foor boxcar #39838 s helper trucks s helper couplers, excellent shape. 3. PRS - great northern double door boxcar #39295 excellent ace trucks am couplers, excellent. 4. American models 40 foot Burlington northern yellow Western fruit express car needs roofwalk ace trucks, shs couplers. 5. American models repaint Great Northern boxcar Light blue #36830 (large white goat design) seltzers?? excellent. 6. PRS? - grain hopper great northern green, ace trucks, shs couplers, some end ladder damage, otherwise excellent. Make me an offer, I'll start at $125 shipped to USA. (thats less than $20 a car) paypal or checks work. please reply off list. ericrhere@... Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63560	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2011
Subject: ALLENTOWN Train Meet

Allentown Train Meet is this coming Saturday & Sunday at AG HALL on the Allentown Fairgrounds, Allentown, PA. Admission at 0900 both days, $ 7.00 per adult, kids under 12 FREE. Hundreds of dealers displaying trains for sale. I am raiding the Plasticville shelves for the small parts that "mom's vacuum" got so long ago. Also will have my remaining stock of SHS track, track accessories and rolling stock, PLUS a load of other goodies for sale. Looking for something, email off list, IF I have it, I'll bring it. Stop by tables NS-1-4, near the Snack Bar and say HI!. PORTER'S York-Hanover Train Meet Sunday March 6, Open 9 AM, $ 4.00 Admission. KEYSTONE Div TCA, Saturday March 12, at St Philip's RC Church, Rts 999 & 741 in Millersville, PA. Opens 9 AM for NON Keystone Div members (paid Div members admitted 8:30 AM). $ 4.00 Admission, kids under 12 FREE. ORIGINAL Gilbertsville Train Meet, Sunday March 20, Gilbertsville Fire Hall, Rt 73 East of Rt 100. $ 4.00 Admission. RCTHS Annual Spring Train Meet, Sunday April 3, Leesport Farmers Market. Opens 9 AM, Adult Admission $ 4.00. EASTERN Div TCA, April 14, 15 & 16, Open to TCA members ONLY, NO public admitted. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63561	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/20/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea & track miles PS

Right. You are correct. The math I used was from Model Railroader Magazine way back when. It was either Linn Westcott or Gordie Odegard who coined the phrase selective compression to enlist a lot of territory in a small space even to the point of using an identical train in N on an HO layout to suggest distance. I would imagine this same idea would work in S as well but might entail custom painting and lettering. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: djdewey@... Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 06:50:31 -0800 Subject: [S-Trains] An inspirational idea & track miles PS Yoicks! I forgot about the track miles part. "Scaling" the miles doesn't work well in our hobby; as you can see from Timboy's wonderful layout, it appears to represent many, many miles of a railroad--but in math, not many. We must compress distance in a manner that fools the eye, as few of us own an aircraft hanger in which to build a layout to distance scale (hmm, maybe it should be a blimp hanger!). One of the oldest modeling tricks is to break up the visibility of the entire train; small hills, short tunnels, a building, even a through bridge will do that and make one think the train is longer than it really is. That's part of the challenge of building a layout; making it believable (or for some us, so busy that the eye doesn't know where to stop). As long as we're having fun!! Speaking of fun, off to the Sacramento AF Club meeting/holiday party, but first a stop to look at some player piano parts for a friend. S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63562	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/20/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/20/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday February 20, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63563	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/20/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea & track miles PS

For forced perspective using smaller scale models there is always Gilbert HO, in much the cars and road names as its S scale big brothers, thus eliminating the need for custom paint jobs. Gilbert used that at the Hall of Science until they stopped selling HO in 1951. Dale On 2/20/2011 12:19 PM, Robert Lampe wrote: > > > Right. You are correct. The math I used was from Model Railroader > Magazine way back when. It was either Linn Westcott or Gordie Odegard > who coined the phrase selective compression to enlist a lot of > territory in a small space even to the point of using an identical > train in N on an HO layout to suggest distance. I would imagine this > same idea would work in S as well but might entail custom painting and > lettering. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63564	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 2/20/2011
Subject: 732 Baggage door

Did the operating baggage car ever come with a door on the side where you load the cubes?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63565	From: Theodore Weiler	Date: 2/20/2011
Subject: Re: 732 Baggage door

I think so. I have one with the door missing. Ted Weiler Weatherford, TX ________________________________ From: ron_tallyho <ron_tallyho@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, February 20, 2011 7:38:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 732 Baggage door Did the operating baggage car ever come with a door on the side where you load the cubes? ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63566	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2011
Subject: Re: 732 Baggage door

I think the early ones did not have a loading door. Steve In a message dated 2/20/2011 7:43:33 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, flier61@... writes: I think so. I have one with the door missing. Ted Weiler Weatherford, TX ________________________________ From: ron_tallyho <_ron_tallyho@..._ (mailto:ron_tallyho@...) > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Sun, February 20, 2011 7:38:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 732 Baggage door Did the operating baggage car ever come with a door on the side where you load the cubes? ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at _http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo_ (http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Yahoo) ! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63567	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/20/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea & track miles PS

Dale that's a good point. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: dfsmith26@... Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 13:20:16 -0800 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] An inspirational idea & track miles PS For forced perspective using smaller scale models there is always Gilbert HO, in much the cars and road names as its S scale big brothers, thus eliminating the need for custom paint jobs. Gilbert used that at the Hall of Science until they stopped selling HO in 1951. Dale On 2/20/2011 12:19 PM, Robert Lampe wrote: > > > Right. You are correct. The math I used was from Model Railroader > Magazine way back when. It was either Linn Westcott or Gordie Odegard > who coined the phrase selective compression to enlist a lot of > territory in a small space even to the point of using an identical > train in N on an HO layout to suggest distance. I would imagine this > same idea would work in S as well but might entail custom painting and > lettering. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63568	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: 732 Baggage door

The 732 Operating Baggage Car does not have a door where you load the cubes. That side was always open. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: ron_tallyho <ron_tallyho@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, February 20, 2011 8:38:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 732 Baggage door Did the operating baggage car ever come with a door on the side where you load the cubes? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63569	From: richs009	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea & track miles PS

Dale - I want to correct a possible mis-impression from your statement below, stating that Gilbert stopped selling HO in 1951 (true), but they resumed in 1955 and stopped permanently in 1963. My reference for this is http://www.gilbertho.org/home.htm - which is run by a guy named Dale Smith... hmmm, possibly you? - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > For forced perspective using smaller scale models there is always > Gilbert HO, in much the cars and road names as its S scale big brothers, > thus eliminating the need for custom paint jobs. Gilbert used that at > the Hall of Science until they stopped selling HO in 1951. > > Dale > > On 2/20/2011 12:19 PM, Robert Lampe wrote: > > > > > > Right. You are correct. The math I used was from Model Railroader > > Magazine way back when. It was either Linn Westcott or Gordie Odegard > > who coined the phrase selective compression to enlist a lot of > > territory in a small space even to the point of using an identical > > train in N on an HO layout to suggest distance. I would imagine this > > same idea would work in S as well but might entail custom painting and > > lettering. > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63570	From: Bob Moyer	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: 732 Baggage door

Ron: Have not seen any op baggage cars with a door on that side. On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 8:38 PM, ron_tallyho <ron_tallyho@...> wrote: > > > Did the operating baggage car ever come with a door on the side where you > load the cubes? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63571	From: afironhorse	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Royal Blue - early or later version

I picked up a AF Royal Blue but the previous owner had painted it black with a red strip. How can I tell if it is the early version or not. It has the steel wheels on the tender and it has the hand rails on the boiler. Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63572	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: Royal Blue - early or later version

Hand rails on the boiler sounds to me as if it would be the 1948 version As the 1950 version DID NOT have hand rails Rich ________________________________ From: afironhorse <afironhorse@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, February 21, 2011 8:35:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Royal Blue - early or later version I picked up a AF Royal Blue but the previous owner had painted it black with a red strip. How can I tell if it is the early version or not. It has the steel wheels on the tender and it has the hand rails on the boiler. Thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63573	From: Timboy	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Hi Everyone! Thanks for the nice comments on my video shoots! Someone mentioned that I should paint a backdrop of distant hills behind the hills in the foreground. I don't remember who suggested that, so if you like the results, then please take the credit!lololol So,this morning I tried my hand at painting some distant hills as a backdrop to hills in the foreground. I found it very difficult to connect the two distances. Here is what I ended up with: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy, The American Flyer Nerd

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63574	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: Royal Blue - early or later version

The handrails on the boiler would make it 1948. The 1948 version would also have a XA10078 Trailing truck with a coupler bar to connect the loco to the tender. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: afironhorse <afironhorse@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, February 21, 2011 8:35:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Royal Blue - early or later version I picked up a AF Royal Blue but the previous owner had painted it black with a red strip. How can I tell if it is the early version or not. It has the steel wheels on the tender and it has the hand rails on the boiler. Thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63575	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: lighted cars shorting out

A.F. by Lionel lighted caboose 49006 and other similar lighted cars sparking an the bottom of the side frame on the plastic wheel side when the side frame cross a switch and touch the adjacent powered rail of the switch The side frame is to deep ?? The wheels have to much up and down movement ??? Has any one else experienced this ??? one would be to grind the bottom of the side frame ??? A strip of tape. Any other suggestions Jerry 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Kill Your Wrinkles Mom Reveals Shocking $5 method for erasing wrinkles...Doctors hate her http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d62af47f2fcf2c52em06duc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63576	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: lighted cars shorting out

I believe that the problem has been raised here before particularly with respect to Hudson and Northern cast tenders and is caused by excesive wear in the journals. Solution wa sto obtain small brass bushes and fit them in the oversized holes. Alistair On Tue 22/02/11 3:50 AM , gerald r dobbs grdobbs@... sent: A.F. by Lionel lighted caboose 49006 and other similar lighted cars sparking an the bottom of the side frame on the plastic wheel side when the side frame cross a switch and touch the adjacent powered rail of the switch The side frame is to deep ?? The wheels have to much up and down movement ??? Has any one else experienced this ??? one would be to grind the bottom of the side frame ??? A strip of tape. Any other suggestions Jerry 77-11644 __________________________________________________________ Kill Your Wrinkles Mom Reveals Shocking $5 method for erasing wrinkles...Doctors hate her http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d62af47f2fcf2c52em06duc [1] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d62af47f2fcf2c52em06duc [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20lighted%20cars%20shorting%20out [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvMGxxcjUwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzU3NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyOTgzMTYzMDk-?act=reply&messageNum=63575 [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/63575;_ylc=X3oDMTM0YWk5cTM3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2MzU3NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTgzMTYzMDkEdHBjSWQDNjM1NzU- [5] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63577	From: jshannon148	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Tim, I really like your layout and the video. It appears you almost make it around one loop or half the layout in the 1:41 length video. If it would take 2 minutes to make it completely around one loop or half of the layout's 4.85 scale miles, I believe that equates to approx 72 MPH. I like to run'em fast too, but what would be a more realistic speed for a 1940's era steam locomotive through the open countryside? John Shannon --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > Mike: > > Thanks! > > I took a short test video of my new layout and uploaded it to YouTube. It is short and to the point. No long intro; no intensive editing. It shows two trains running around most of my layout. > > Here is a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYWJtyLdvTU > > And of course, my blog: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ > > Regards, > > Timboy, An American Flyer Nerd >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63578	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Exploded views

I remember some time back someone mentioned a web site, etc. that had exploded views of Am Flyer engines, etc. Would any of this group have this info? Thanks, Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63579	From: ron plyler	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: lighted cars shorting out

As for the Hudson and northern tender trucks shorting out, I have made a simple repair by cutting the brass barrel of a ball point pen into a sleeve and epoxying them into the worn truck being careful to keep ever thing aligned.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63580	From: David	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: What Happens When You Get a Train

Hi All, Robert Lacheen passed this one along. Just imagine how hot the girl would be if he had an American Flyer train!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnkjf95Dr8I&feature=player_embedded Run'em if you got 'em! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63581	From: Roy Inman	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Wow, one great layout! What track are you using? Is the bridge scratch built? Roy on 2/21/11 1:54 PM, jshannon148 at jshannon148@... wrote: > > > > > > Tim, > > I really like your layout and the video. It appears you almost make it around > one loop or half the layout in the 1:41 length video. If it would take 2 > minutes to make it completely around one loop or half of the layout's 4.85 > scale miles, I believe that equates to approx 72 MPH. I like to run'em fast > too, but what would be a more realistic speed for a 1940's era steam > locomotive through the open countryside? > > John Shannon > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "Timboy" > <timstrains2000@...> wrote: >> > >> > Mike: >> > >> > Thanks! >> > >> > I took a short test video of my new layout and uploaded it to YouTube. It >> is short and to the point. No long intro; no intensive editing. It shows >> two trains running around most of my layout. >> > >> > Here is a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYWJtyLdvTU >> > >> > And of course, my blog: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Timboy, An American Flyer Nerd >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63582	From: Robert Conner	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: Exploded views

Harwood.... Go to myflyertrains.com ...... Chucks site.... He has copied all of my repair manuals, which have expolded views, along with some other catalogs.... Bob Conner --- On Mon, 2/21/11, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote: From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Exploded views To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 21, 2011, 2:51 PM   I remember some time back someone mentioned a web site, etc. that had exploded views of Am Flyer engines, etc. Would any of this group have this info? Thanks, Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63583	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: What Happens When You Get a Train

Ya...She would be 60 years + In a message dated 2/21/2011 1:34:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: Hi All, Robert Lacheen passed this one along. Just imagine how hot the girl would be if he had an American Flyer train!!!!! _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnkjf95Dr8I&feature=player_embedded_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnkjf95Dr8I&feature=player_embedded) Run'em if you got 'em! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63584	From: preardon4girls	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Seattle

Hi, I am traveling to the Seattle area this week (Duvall, WA.). Does anyone know of anything "S" that I could see while I'm visiting the area? I'm planning on some free time over the next few days and would like to take in some "S"ites. Pat, in Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63585	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: Exploded views

Thanks Bob, by the way you didn't answer my question about the rare circus cages. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Feb 21, 2011 5:04 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Exploded views Harwood.... Go to myflyertrains.com ...... Chucks site.... He has copied all of my repair manuals, which have expolded views, along with some other catalogs.... Bob Conner --- On Mon, 2/21/11, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote: From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Exploded views To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 21, 2011, 2:51 PM I remember some time back someone mentioned a web site, etc. that had exploded views of Am Flyer engines, etc. Would any of this group have this info? Thanks, Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (2) Recent Activity: New Members 2 Visit Your Group Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ MARKETPLACE Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. Find useful articles and helpful tips on living with Fibromyalgia. Visit the Fibromyalgia Zone today! Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63586	From: Timboy	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Hi John: That's just about the time it takes; close to four minutes for one complete circuit back to the start point. I do run them fast; faster than any engineer of the period could justify. A normal country-side run for an average vintage steamer was between 35 - 60 miles per hour, depending on the cargo being hauled. Coal trains generally ran slower, while mixed freight trains ran faster and passenger trains faster still, usually. What I did was to set the throttles to the speed that gave very good smoke. Well, they ARE called Flyers! lol And they are really highballing when they go roaring through all those strip towns and waysides! But yes, slower by about 1/3 would be much more prototypical. Maybe someday I'll get 1/2 speed can motors for the steamers and that should solve that. DCC would as well. Hi Roy: It's all vintage track, rebent to suit a much broader radius. All my bridges - wooden truss, steel Erector and deck are scratch-built by me. None of them are really to strict scale. I just built them by eye to blend in with the out-of-scale rails, accessories and some of the buildings. Thanks everyone! Regards, Timboy, The American Flyer Nerd

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63587	From: David	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Road Construction Helicopter View Video Posted

Hi All, I'm still constructing roads and parking lots on my layout but thought I would let the local helicopter crew do a fly-over. You can see the video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCP5Um6g6bw This is my 52nd YouTube video. While you're on YouTube, check out my other American Flyer videos. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63588	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: Seattle

Eastside Trains in Kirkland , Wa   --- On Mon, 2/21/11, preardon4girls <preardon4girls@...> wrote: From: preardon4girls <preardon4girls@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Seattle To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 21, 2011, 3:58 PM   Hi, I am traveling to the Seattle area this week (Duvall, WA.). Does anyone know of anything "S" that I could see while I'm visiting the area? I'm planning on some free time over the next few days and would like to take in some "S"ites. Pat, in Maine [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63589	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea & track miles PS

Rich, Indeed that is me. I just didn't want to complicate the message by giving the long story. While they did start up with HO again in 1955, it didn't appear on the 2nd floor display layout (I also run the http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org) after it was taken off in, as best as I can determine, 1953. That was the end of the use of HO in forced perspective on a large display layout. There were some small dual gauge dealer displays sold in the late 50's and early 60's, but I am not sure that was an attempt at forced perspective. I also understand that it wasn't even merchandised at the Hall of Science when it was re-introduced in 1955, but rather by Nat Polk through Polk's hobbies. Department store buyers couldn't place orders at the Hall of Science for HO like they could for S gauge Flyer. They had to go through Polk. Dale On 2/20/2011 10:01 PM, richs009 wrote: > > Dale - I want to correct a possible mis-impression from your statement > below, stating that Gilbert stopped selling HO in 1951 (true), but > they resumed in 1955 and stopped permanently in 1963. My reference for > this is http://www.gilbertho.org/home.htm - which is run by a guy > named Dale Smith... hmmm, possibly you? > > - Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > > > For forced perspective using smaller scale models there is always > > Gilbert HO, in much the cars and road names as its S scale big > brothers, > > thus eliminating the need for custom paint jobs. Gilbert used that at > > the Hall of Science until they stopped selling HO in 1951. > > > > Dale > > > > On 2/20/2011 12:19 PM, Robert Lampe wrote: > > > > > > > > > Right. You are correct. The math I used was from Model Railroader > > > Magazine way back when. It was either Linn Westcott or Gordie Odegard > > > who coined the phrase selective compression to enlist a lot of > > > territory in a small space even to the point of using an identical > > > train in N on an HO layout to suggest distance. I would imagine this > > > same idea would work in S as well but might entail custom painting > and > > > lettering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63590	From: Edward	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: Seattle

Yes you can go to Eastside....But dont expect any Bargains ...Like a lot of dealers the have high overhead to Justify the High prices the ask for AF they buy for garage sale prices....... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "preardon4girls" <preardon4girls@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > I am traveling to the Seattle area this week (Duvall, WA.). Does anyone know of anything "S" that I could see while I'm visiting the area? I'm planning on some free time over the next few days and would like to take in some "S"ites. > > Pat, in Maine >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63591	From: Michael.McConnell	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: South Jersey S Gauger's layout display

The South Jersey S Gaugers will be displaying our S Gauge layout at The World's Greatest Hobby Show on Tour at the NJ Expo Center in Edison, NJ on Feb. 26, 10 am to 6 pm, and Feb. 27, 10 am to 5 pm. We're quite proud of our highly detailed 12' X 26', three level, high-rail sectional layout that includes many original and reproduction animated accessories. The three loops of mainline and a Radio-controlled short-rail line gives plenty of action to keep everyone's attention. The NASG and Hoquat Hobbies are some of the many vendors who will be present, along with at least 12 other layouts of all gauges for your viewing pleasure at this 125,000 square foot venue. Hopefully Lionel will be displaying their newest "S" offerings as well. If you make it to the show, please stop by and say Hi to the "S" crew. Hank Worrell South Jersey S Gaugers, Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63592	From: David Haslauer	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: What Happens When You Get a Train

OK, let not all get 'steamed up' about this video. ________________________________ From: David <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, February 21, 2011 3:21:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] What Happens When You Get a Train Hi All, Robert Lacheen passed this one along. Just imagine how hot the girl would be if he had an American Flyer train!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnkjf95Dr8I&feature=player_embedded Run'em if you got 'em! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63593	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/21/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Hey not too shabby. When I get a layot room and a layout built I sorta got it made. My wife, in addition to liking trains as nuch as I do, is an artist. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: timstrains2000@... Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 16:59:52 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Building a large AF layout Hi Everyone! Thanks for the nice comments on my video shoots! Someone mentioned that I should paint a backdrop of distant hills behind the hills in the foreground. I don't remember who suggested that, so if you like the results, then please take the credit!lololol So,this morning I tried my hand at painting some distant hills as a backdrop to hills in the foreground. I found it very difficult to connect the two distances. Here is what I ended up with: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy, The American Flyer Nerd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63594	From: Herbert	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea & track miles PS

Dale, Very interesting about Polk. Nat Polk was a great guy. I used to look forward to talking to him every time I went to York. He dated back to 1930's and was very knowledgeable abut Gilbert,t he man and the company, and, indeed, the whole model train industry. I still miss his not being around anymore. While I knew Polk's was a large wholesaler, i was unaware they were that significant with Gilbert. Gilbert was always conflicted about HO. The marketing and distribution channels were different than with s gauge which went through regular toy channels. I remember that Macy's in the late 1940's did not have the HO in the large toy department display but in the hobby shop which was in a different area on the sixth floor. There was also an ongoing split about whether to use the American Flyer name for its familiarity or the Gilbert name which would not have as much of a "toy" image. I don't that they ever reached a consensus. Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > Rich, > > Indeed that is me. I just didn't want to complicate the message by > giving the long story. While they did start up with HO again in 1955, > it didn't appear on the 2nd floor display layout (I also run the > http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org) after it was taken off in, as > best as I can determine, 1953. That was the end of the use of HO in > forced perspective on a large display layout. There were some small > dual gauge dealer displays sold in the late 50's and early 60's, but I > am not sure that was an attempt at forced perspective. I also > understand that it wasn't even merchandised at the Hall of Science when > it was re-introduced in 1955, but rather by Nat Polk through Polk's > hobbies. Department store buyers couldn't place orders at the Hall of > Science for HO like they could for S gauge Flyer. They had to go > through Polk. > > Dale > > On 2/20/2011 10:01 PM, richs009 wrote: > > > > Dale - I want to correct a possible mis-impression from your statement > > below, stating that Gilbert stopped selling HO in 1951 (true), but > > they resumed in 1955 and stopped permanently in 1963. My reference for > > this is http://www.gilbertho.org/home.htm - which is run by a guy > > named Dale Smith... hmmm, possibly you? > > > > - Rich > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > Dale Smith <dfsmith26@> wrote: > > > > > > For forced perspective using smaller scale models there is always > > > Gilbert HO, in much the cars and road names as its S scale big > > brothers, > > > thus eliminating the need for custom paint jobs. Gilbert used that at > > > the Hall of Science until they stopped selling HO in 1951. > > > > > > Dale > > > > > > On 2/20/2011 12:19 PM, Robert Lampe wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. You are correct. The math I used was from Model Railroader > > > > Magazine way back when. It was either Linn Westcott or Gordie Odegard > > > > who coined the phrase selective compression to enlist a lot of > > > > territory in a small space even to the point of using an identical > > > > train in N on an HO layout to suggest distance. I would imagine this > > > > same idea would work in S as well but might entail custom painting > > and > > > > lettering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63595	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea & track miles PS

Way back about 1959 or 1960 I went to my local newsstand and picked up a copy of Model Trains which was a sister publication of Model Railroader. It seems to me that it was around Christmas time and there was a section on train sets from all manufacturers. I remember seeing in it an AC Gilbert HO Northern Pacific passenger train set that was different than my Flyer S scale sets (I had two) as it had F unit locomotives and the Flyer S scale set had PA's which the NP never ran. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: dfsmith26@... Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:58:51 -0800 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: An inspirational idea & track miles PS Rich, Indeed that is me. I just didn't want to complicate the message by giving the long story. While they did start up with HO again in 1955, it didn't appear on the 2nd floor display layout (I also run the http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org) after it was taken off in, as best as I can determine, 1953. That was the end of the use of HO in forced perspective on a large display layout. There were some small dual gauge dealer displays sold in the late 50's and early 60's, but I am not sure that was an attempt at forced perspective. I also understand that it wasn't even merchandised at the Hall of Science when it was re-introduced in 1955, but rather by Nat Polk through Polk's hobbies. Department store buyers couldn't place orders at the Hall of Science for HO like they could for S gauge Flyer. They had to go through Polk. Dale On 2/20/2011 10:01 PM, richs009 wrote: > > Dale - I want to correct a possible mis-impression from your statement > below, stating that Gilbert stopped selling HO in 1951 (true), but > they resumed in 1955 and stopped permanently in 1963. My reference for > this is http://www.gilbertho.org/home.htm - which is run by a guy > named Dale Smith... hmmm, possibly you? > > - Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > > > For forced perspective using smaller scale models there is always > > Gilbert HO, in much the cars and road names as its S scale big > brothers, > > thus eliminating the need for custom paint jobs. Gilbert used that at > > the Hall of Science until they stopped selling HO in 1951. > > > > Dale > > > > On 2/20/2011 12:19 PM, Robert Lampe wrote: > > > > > > > > > Right. You are correct. The math I used was from Model Railroader > > > Magazine way back when. It was either Linn Westcott or Gordie Odegard > > > who coined the phrase selective compression to enlist a lot of > > > territory in a small space even to the point of using an identical > > > train in N on an HO layout to suggest distance. I would imagine this > > > same idea would work in S as well but might entail custom painting > and > > > lettering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63596	From: richs009	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea & track miles PS

Dale -- I've really enjoyed looking at your displays website- nice job. Some of it sure looks familiar thanks to some of it appearing - albeit with artistic license - on the covers of some of the catalogs. A lot of fascinating history. I remember - vaguely (the ol' memory chip isn't what it used to be...) - the display at Gold's Department Store in Lincoln, NE, which is where my parents purchased my Flyer trains and accessories. Too bad there apparently aren't any pictures of that display. thanks for all the work. Rich ps I don't know whether you've seen the couple of YouTube videos of a contemporary AF layout called Aaron's trains - layout is very reminiscent of the old Sibley Dept. store layout, of which there are also YouTube videos. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > Rich, > > Indeed that is me. I just didn't want to complicate the message by > giving the long story. While they did start up with HO again in 1955, > it didn't appear on the 2nd floor display layout (I also run the > http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org) after it was taken off in, as > best as I can determine, 1953. That was the end of the use of HO in > forced perspective on a large display layout. There were some small > dual gauge dealer displays sold in the late 50's and early 60's, but I > am not sure that was an attempt at forced perspective. I also > understand that it wasn't even merchandised at the Hall of Science when > it was re-introduced in 1955, but rather by Nat Polk through Polk's > hobbies. Department store buyers couldn't place orders at the Hall of > Science for HO like they could for S gauge Flyer. They had to go > through Polk. > > Dale > > On 2/20/2011 10:01 PM, richs009 wrote: > > > > Dale - I want to correct a possible mis-impression from your statement > > below, stating that Gilbert stopped selling HO in 1951 (true), but > > they resumed in 1955 and stopped permanently in 1963. My reference for > > this is http://www.gilbertho.org/home.htm - which is run by a guy > > named Dale Smith... hmmm, possibly you? > > > > - Rich > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > Dale Smith <dfsmith26@> wrote: > > > > > > For forced perspective using smaller scale models there is always > > > Gilbert HO, in much the cars and road names as its S scale big > > brothers, > > > thus eliminating the need for custom paint jobs. Gilbert used that at > > > the Hall of Science until they stopped selling HO in 1951. > > > > > > Dale > > > > > > On 2/20/2011 12:19 PM, Robert Lampe wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. You are correct. The math I used was from Model Railroader > > > > Magazine way back when. It was either Linn Westcott or Gordie Odegard > > > > who coined the phrase selective compression to enlist a lot of > > > > territory in a small space even to the point of using an identical > > > > train in N on an HO layout to suggest distance. I would imagine this > > > > same idea would work in S as well but might entail custom painting > > and > > > > lettering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63597	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Re: Eastside

Eastside Trains stocked our complete line. They had a buyer who had AF and was not afraid to include "S" in the store. He moved and we lost the account... Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63598	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Re: Nat Polk

Dear Herb, Nat Polk introduced Mike and I to Mr. Wai Shing Ting the General Manager and part owner of Sanda Kan. Boy, I wish he never left. That is when things started to go down hill rapidly... Don On Feb 22, 2011, at 5:52 AM, Herbert wrote: > > > Dale, > Very interesting about Polk. Nat Polk was a great guy. I used to > look forward to talking to him every time I went to York. He dated > back to 1930's and was very knowledgeable abut Gilbert,t he man and > the company, and, indeed, the whole model train industry. I still > miss his not being around anymore. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63599	From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Re: lighted cars shorting out

Contact Joe at Joestrainrepair@... He stocks brass bushings that fit into the worn hole and they have a flange that provides a smooth contact surface for the wheel. Sam W From: ron plyler Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 4:32 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: lighted cars shorting out As for the Hudson and northern tender trucks shorting out, I have made a simple repair by cutting the brass barrel of a ball point pen into a sleeve and epoxying them into the worn truck being careful to keep ever thing aligned. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63600	From: The Reardon's	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Re: Seattle

Yes, I've visited Eastside Trains in the past. Very nice folks. I am hoping to find a club or layout to visit in the Seattle area. Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 11:15 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Seattle Yes you can go to Eastside....But dont expect any Bargains ...Like a lot of dealers the have high overhead to Justify the High prices the ask for AF they buy for garage sale prices....... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "preardon4girls" <preardon4girls@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > I am traveling to the Seattle area this week (Duvall, WA.). Does anyone know of anything "S" that I could see while I'm visiting the area? I'm planning on some free time over the next few days and would like to take in some "S"ites. > > Pat, in Maine > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63601	From: Timboy	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Re: Road Construction Helicopter View Video Posted

That was funny! Thanks for the production. OBTW, you need to dispatch an ambulance to the Guilford Station. A little person is down and not moving! Nice finished roads! Very sharp. Looks like you don't lack for anything! Regards, Timboy, The American Flyer Nerd

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63602	From: Bob	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Important Announcement Regarding the 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine

Good morning. After reviewing last year's financial results for the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine, it is obvious that some changes are needed. Effective April 1, 2011: 1) The price of a 1-year subscription, Standard Rate US mail will increase to $30.95. If you have received a renewal invoice or receive one in the next two weeks, please send in your payment right away to avoid the increase for another year. If you are not a subscriber, subscribe now to get the current lower rate. 2) Effective with Volume 12, Issue 1, the cover prices will increase to $7.95 (USA); $9.95 Canada [US$]; and $11.95 All Other International. The discount rate to dealers will remain the same--one of the most generous in the industry. 3) The Half-Year (2-issue) subscription will no longer be offered. Current Half-Year subscribers will be given the option to convert to Standard-Rate or 1st Class 1-year subscription. 4) All other subscription rates are unaffected. In addition, effective immediately, I can no longer afford to send "courtesy copies" to lapsed subscribers. If you sign back up after your subscription lapses, you'll have to purchase the back issues you may have missed (if available). Also, effective immediately, the Classified Ads section is being eliminated from the magazine. These changes will help ensure that the magazine remains financially viable. Please visit the magazine's Website, www.1-64ModelingGuide.com, to view any additional announcements. Thank you for your continued support. Best Regards, Bob Nalbone Editor & Publisher 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine "THE Magazine for the S SCALE Model Railroader"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63603	From: Larry Asp	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Re: Seattle

Ive been to Eastside on at least 2 occasions when visiting Seattle - got reasonable deals there, saw a nice Flyer layout, lots of stock, great on repair / warranty and service - and it seemed their used goods for AF were "Greenberged" but no more than other places. I remember going on a tour at the same time as a train show in Seattle - arranged by a TTOS club. The trrain show was great too - 3 agriculture buildings used and practically no HO stuff. On 2011-03-22, at 8:08 AM, The Reardon's wrote: > Yes, I've visited Eastside Trains in the past. Very nice folks. I am hoping to find a club or layout to visit in the Seattle area. > > Pat, in Maine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Edward > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 11:15 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Seattle > > > > Yes you can go to Eastside....But dont expect any Bargains ...Like a lot of dealers the have high overhead to Justify the High prices the ask for AF they buy for garage sale prices....... > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "preardon4girls" <preardon4girls@...> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I am traveling to the Seattle area this week (Duvall, WA.). Does anyone know of anything "S" that I could see while I'm visiting the area? I'm planning on some free time over the next few days and would like to take in some "S"ites. >> >> Pat, in Maine >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63604	From: Bob Groh	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Re: Important Announcement Regarding the 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazin

Thank you for continuing to provide the S community with a valuable resource in these financially turbulent time. The very best in your efforts. Bob Groh Blue Springs, Missouri On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Bob <bobnalbone04@...> wrote: > > > Good morning. After reviewing last year's financial results for the 1:64 > Modeling Guide magazine, it is obvious that some changes are needed. > > Effective April 1, 2011: > > 1) The price of a 1-year subscription, Standard Rate US mail will increase > to $30.95. > > If you have received a renewal invoice or receive one in the next two > weeks, please send in your payment right away to avoid the increase for > another year. If you are not a subscriber, subscribe now to get the current > lower rate. > > 2) Effective with Volume 12, Issue 1, the cover prices will increase to > $7.95 (USA); $9.95 Canada [US$]; and $11.95 All Other International. The > discount rate to dealers will remain the same--one of the most generous in > the industry. > > 3) The Half-Year (2-issue) subscription will no longer be offered. > > Current Half-Year subscribers will be given the option to convert to > Standard-Rate or 1st Class 1-year subscription. > > 4) All other subscription rates are unaffected. > > In addition, effective immediately, I can no longer afford to send > "courtesy copies" to lapsed subscribers. If you sign back up after your > subscription lapses, you'll have to purchase the back issues you may have > missed (if available). > > Also, effective immediately, the Classified Ads section is being eliminated > from the magazine. > > These changes will help ensure that the magazine remains financially > viable. Please visit the magazine's Website, www.1-64ModelingGuide.com, to > view any additional announcements. > > Thank you for your continued support. > > Best Regards, > Bob Nalbone > Editor & Publisher > 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine > "THE Magazine for the S SCALE Model Railroader" > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63605	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Re: Seattle

I sent your e-mail to a friend in Woodinville.  He has a large s (Flyer) layout.  It is very close to Duvall.  I no longer live in that area but have relocated to the Las Vegas area.  I don't know what my friends schedule is, but hopefully he will contact you.  His name is Dennis.  I may telephone him this evening.   Al --- On Tue, 3/22/11, The Reardon's <preardon@...> wrote: From: The Reardon's <preardon@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Seattle To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 5:08 AM   Yes, I've visited Eastside Trains in the past. Very nice folks. I am hoping to find a club or layout to visit in the Seattle area. Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 11:15 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Seattle Yes you can go to Eastside....But dont expect any Bargains ...Like a lot of dealers the have high overhead to Justify the High prices the ask for AF they buy for garage sale prices....... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "preardon4girls" <preardon4girls@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > I am traveling to the Seattle area this week (Duvall, WA.). Does anyone know of anything "S" that I could see while I'm visiting the area? I'm planning on some free time over the next few days and would like to take in some "S"ites. > > Pat, in Maine > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63606	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Digest Number 7474--CORRECTION

: 5. ALLENTOWN Train Meet Saturday 9 AM til 4 PM & Sunday 9 AM til 3 PM From: WJJIM@... My NEW tables are NT 1-4 Will have several new & different "S" flatcars w/loads from Wardie-Jay, along with lots of TinPlate Ties. _Stop by tables NT-1-4, near the Snack Bar and say HI!. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63607	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea & track miles PS

Herb, When I wrote the last message, I couldn't quite remember where I got that information, but fortunately I am documenting this on the website. This bit of information comes from Bob Giardina, who was very helpful to me in setting up the web site by allowing me to use his catalogs for illustration purposes and contributing his recollections of a visit he made with his father to the Gilbert Hall of Science in 1957. I always try to document these tidbits of information to avoid so much history that is anecdotal and many times actuallyfalse. What I put up is pretty much a paraphrase of what Bob told me. You can see it at: http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/ghos/ghos_giardina.htm Dale On 2/22/2011 2:52 AM, Herbert wrote: > > > > Dale, > Very interesting about Polk. Nat Polk was a great guy. I used to > look forward to talking to him every time I went to York. He dated > back to 1930's and was very knowledgeable abut Gilbert,t he man and > the company, and, indeed, the whole model train industry. I still miss > his not being around anymore. > While I knew Polk's was a large wholesaler, i was unaware they were > that significant with Gilbert. > Gilbert was always conflicted about HO. The marketing and distribution > channels were different than with s gauge which went through regular > toy channels. > I remember that Macy's in the late 1940's did not have the HO in the > large toy department display but in the hobby shop which was in a > different area on the sixth floor. > There was also an ongoing split about whether to use the American > Flyer name for its familiarity or the Gilbert name which would not > have as much of a "toy" image. I don't that they ever reached a consensus. > Herb Wasserman > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > > > Rich, > > > > Indeed that is me. I just didn't want to complicate the message by > > giving the long story. While they did start up with HO again in 1955, > > it didn't appear on the 2nd floor display layout (I also run the > > http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org) after it was taken off in, as > > best as I can determine, 1953. That was the end of the use of HO in > > forced perspective on a large display layout. There were some small > > dual gauge dealer displays sold in the late 50's and early 60's, but I > > am not sure that was an attempt at forced perspective. I also > > understand that it wasn't even merchandised at the Hall of Science when > > it was re-introduced in 1955, but rather by Nat Polk through Polk's > > hobbies. Department store buyers couldn't place orders at the Hall of > > Science for HO like they could for S gauge Flyer. They had to go > > through Polk. > > > > Dale > > > > On 2/20/2011 10:01 PM, richs009 wrote: > > > > > > Dale - I want to correct a possible mis-impression from your > statement > > > below, stating that Gilbert stopped selling HO in 1951 (true), but > > > they resumed in 1955 and stopped permanently in 1963. My reference > for > > > this is http://www.gilbertho.org/home.htm - which is run by a guy > > > named Dale Smith... hmmm, possibly you? > > > > > > - Rich > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > Dale Smith <dfsmith26@> wrote: > > > > > > > > For forced perspective using smaller scale models there is always > > > > Gilbert HO, in much the cars and road names as its S scale big > > > brothers, > > > > thus eliminating the need for custom paint jobs. Gilbert used > that at > > > > the Hall of Science until they stopped selling HO in 1951. > > > > > > > > Dale > > > > > > > > On 2/20/2011 12:19 PM, Robert Lampe wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. You are correct. The math I used was from Model Railroader > > > > > Magazine way back when. It was either Linn Westcott or Gordie > Odegard > > > > > who coined the phrase selective compression to enlist a lot of > > > > > territory in a small space even to the point of using an identical > > > > > train in N on an HO layout to suggest distance. I would > imagine this > > > > > same idea would work in S as well but might entail custom > painting > > > and > > > > > lettering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63608	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea & track miles PS

The early F units were made by Varney when Gilbert wanted to get back into HO quickly. Also some of the cars. Collectors of HO find Gilbert and Varney cars with the same number and they usually look quite different. The later F Units were made "in the Orient" by the same manufacturer who produced Marx HO diesels. The Marx versions are said to run better though for some strange reason. Some have guessed that the manufacturer was Sakai, but nothing in the way of hard evidence backs that up. Dale On 2/21/2011 9:03 PM, Robert Lampe wrote: > > > Way back about 1959 or 1960 I went to my local newsstand and picked up > a copy of Model Trains which was a sister publication of Model > Railroader. It seems to me that it was around Christmas time and there > was a section on train sets from all manufacturers. I remember seeing > in it an AC Gilbert HO Northern Pacific passenger train set that was > different than my Flyer S scale sets (I had two) as it had F unit > locomotives and the Flyer S scale set had PA's which the NP never ran. > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > From: dfsmith26@... <mailto:dfsmith26%40att.net> > Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:58:51 -0800 > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: An inspirational idea & track miles PS > > Rich, > > Indeed that is me. I just didn't want to complicate the message by > giving the long story. While they did start up with HO again in 1955, > it didn't appear on the 2nd floor display layout (I also run the > http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org) after it was taken off in, as > best as I can determine, 1953. That was the end of the use of HO in > forced perspective on a large display layout. There were some small > dual gauge dealer displays sold in the late 50's and early 60's, but I > am not sure that was an attempt at forced perspective. I also > understand that it wasn't even merchandised at the Hall of Science when > it was re-introduced in 1955, but rather by Nat Polk through Polk's > hobbies. Department store buyers couldn't place orders at the Hall of > Science for HO like they could for S gauge Flyer. They had to go > through Polk. > > Dale > > On 2/20/2011 10:01 PM, richs009 wrote: > > > > Dale - I want to correct a possible mis-impression from your statement > > below, stating that Gilbert stopped selling HO in 1951 (true), but > > they resumed in 1955 and stopped permanently in 1963. My reference for > > this is http://www.gilbertho.org/home.htm - which is run by a guy > > named Dale Smith... hmmm, possibly you? > > > > - Rich > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > > > > > For forced perspective using smaller scale models there is always > > > Gilbert HO, in much the cars and road names as its S scale big > > brothers, > > > thus eliminating the need for custom paint jobs. Gilbert used that at > > > the Hall of Science until they stopped selling HO in 1951. > > > > > > Dale > > > > > > On 2/20/2011 12:19 PM, Robert Lampe wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Right. You are correct. The math I used was from Model Railroader > > > > Magazine way back when. It was either Linn Westcott or Gordie > Odegard > > > > who coined the phrase selective compression to enlist a lot of > > > > territory in a small space even to the point of using an identical > > > > train in N on an HO layout to suggest distance. I would imagine this > > > > same idea would work in S as well but might entail custom painting > > and > > > > lettering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63609	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Re: An inspirational idea & track miles PS

Rich, I don't know if you saw Mike Leahy's memories of that layout on the website, but go to http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/layout_memories/golds_lincoln_ne.htm to see it. Maybe you can add some memories of your own. Sometimes that memory chip just needs a little time to warm up. Dale On 2/21/2011 8:57 PM, richs009 wrote: > > Dale -- I've really enjoyed looking at your displays website- nice > job. Some of it sure looks familiar thanks to some of it appearing - > albeit with artistic license - on the covers of some of the catalogs. > A lot of fascinating history. > > I remember - vaguely (the ol' memory chip isn't what it used to be...) > - the display at Gold's Department Store in Lincoln, NE, which is > where my parents purchased my Flyer trains and accessories. Too bad > there apparently aren't any pictures of that display. > > thanks for all the work. > > Rich > > ps I don't know whether you've seen the couple of YouTube videos of a > contemporary AF layout called Aaron's trains - layout is very > reminiscent of the old Sibley Dept. store layout, of which there are > also YouTube videos. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63610	From: David	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Helicopter Layout Video - Scavenger Hunt

Hi All, As Tim pointed out, there is a lady down at the Gillford Station. What he didn't know is that it was a very windy day on the layout with gusts over 60 mph. That's what knocked the poor lady off her feet. She wasn't the only wind victim that day. As you can see from the video the chopper was buffeted pretty good from time to time. So for all you scavenger hunters out there, watch the video and see how many other wind related "damages" you can find. You've already got the first two - lol. You can view the video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCP5Um6g6bw Let's us know what you found and the time on the video. The prize is finding out you've got the sharpest eyes in the group! Happy Hunting! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63611	From: Robert	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Store Layouts/Displays

When I was a kid growing up in Anaconda,Montana there were only 2 stores in town that had any semblance of train displays at Christmas time. Both were family owned and operated hardware stores. DuVall- Wallace Hardware and Marchion (pronounced Mar shon) Hardware. Then all they had was Lionel. In Butte there was Hennessey's Department Store and Sears both of whom also had Lionel.None of the four had a layout as such but more of a display of Lionel products for that year. They simply had a few sheets of plywood with track in place and 1 or 2 trains running and several buildings and several operating accessories. The closest Flyer display was in Missoula, Montana about 100 miles west. This display was in State Hardware and was similar to the Lionel displays in Butte and Anaconda. The Missoula Mercantile usually had an HO display and it wasn't even a 4X8.Boy do I miss those displays even though I was not into Lionel. Today all of those stores are closed except for Sears which is now in a building that isn't even 1/4 the size of the old one.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63612	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 2/22/2011
Subject: Age of Steam Roundhouse

A new steam facility complete with 15-stall roundhouse, turntable, coal dock, wood water tank, etc. is being built on a 34 acre site near Sugarcreek Ohio.. Aerial photos http://ageofsteamroundhouse.com/images/Roundhouse/Aerials%20October%202010/index.html Website http://www.ageofsteamroundhouse.com Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63613	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 2/23/2011
Subject: SEEBURGER ESTATE --plastic box cars

Here is another list of Don's stuff for your consideration. Thanks..Ed Loizeaux INTRODUCTION Plastic freight cars are grouped in bunches - also known as "batches". Each bunch (or batch), in general, is of a similar type car for the same road name or nearby road names. In some cases, there is an assortment of road names from the same region such as northeastern, western, etc. In some cases, there is no road name similarity at all. Sometimes a batch is determined by all cars being a kit, or being assembled, or being RTR or being cars in a similar condition or being from the same manufacturer. All cars are in very good or excellent condition unless otherwise stated. Some are mint, kits are new, nothing obviously missing or damaged. Assembled cars have scale wheels (some NWSL) installed and Kadee couplers (some HO and some S which work with each other just fine). The SHS cars do NOT have the AF-compatible wheels included. However, AF-compatible wheels will be provided upon request as long as the supply holds out. No AF-compatible couplers are available. Prices shown are the selling price for the complete bunch. Most bunches are for six cars, but some are for more and some are for less. Read the descriptions carefully. Additional plastic freight cars of the non-box car variety will be following shortly. Terms and conditions are listed at the end along with contact information for Eileen Seeburger. There is no need to contact me to place your order. Thanks.Ed Loizeaux ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Item #94 One batch of six ASSEMBLED PRS box cars with trucks. Price = $150 (for entire batch). ---50' DD (double door), GN, KD#802 couplers ---50' DD, CN, no couplers ---50' DD, WP (brown with feather), no couplers ---40' DD, WP (brown), KD#5 couplers ---40' SD (single door), SP (silver overnight), KD#5 ---40' SD, MONON, ACE trucks, KD#5, broken ladder and broken grab irons #96 One batch of three Ridgehill Scale Models and/or Kaslo Shops new kits. Price = $120. ---1 CN wood side caboose, high cupola, close window spacing, with CDS dry transfers, SK-2 ---1 CNR 36' Fowler box car, wood roof, 5' doors, SK-06 ---1 Kaslo Shops Distributing 40' PS-1 box car, SK-1 #97 One batch of six new AM box car kits. Price = $120. ---3 of 40' SD, undec, sliding door, brown ---2 of 40' plug door, undec, brown ---1 of 40' plug door, D&H, yellow #98 One batch of four SHS "wooden" box cars with scale wheels and KD#5 couplers. AF-compatible wheels available upon request (not installed). AF couplers not available. Price = $140. ---SS (single sheathed aka "outside braced"), MILW #2 ---DS (double sheathed aka "no outside braces"), MKT #2 ---SS, CB&Q, weathered ---SS, Pacific Electric #99 One batch of four "wooden" SHS box cars with scale wheels. Some with Kadee couplers. AF-compatible wheels available upon request (not installed). AF couplers not available. Price = $140. ---SS, PRR #564281, no couplers ---SS, B&O #167051, KD#5 ---SS, IHB #938, NWSL wheels, KD#802 ---DS, B&M #2, #70073, no couplers #100 One batch of four SHS "rebuilt" box cars with scale wheels and Kadee couplers. AF-compatible wheels available upon request (not installed). AF couplers not available. Price = $140. ---PRR (Shadow #2), KD#5 ---PRR (Merch. Express Ball Keystone), KD#5 ---Frisco, KD#5 ---SAL (orange blossom), KD#802 #103 One batch of five box cars as noted below with scale wheels. AF-compatible wheels available upon request (not installed) for the SHS cars only. AF couplers not available. Price = $140. Price = $130. ---AM 40' undec sliding door ---AM 40' PGE plug door ---AM 40' Timken Roller Freight (yellow with white lettering), scale wheels ---SHS 40' rebuilt MP (Eagle Service), KD#802 couplers ---SHS 40' rebuilt CN #1, KD#5 TERMS, CONDITIONS and the fine print... 1. If you are unsatisfied with anything purchased, return it within ten days in the SAME CONDITION as received for a full refund (excluding postage). 2. e-mail is preferred over telephone or snail mail for communication purposes. emseeb@... 3. Feel free to ask questions about the models. Questions about the prototype cannot be answered. 4. Personal checks, certified checks, bank checks, money orders are all acceptable. PayPal not available. 5. All checks will be deposited promptly. Shipment will be made ten days later. 6. Arrangements can be made to pick up your order to save shipping costs. 7. Additional price discounts will be considered for orders above $2,500. Call to discuss. 1-925-915-5736 8. Contact information for questions and orders: Eileen Seeburger email: emseeb "at" gmail.com (preferred) Telephone: 1-925-915-5736 (California time) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63614	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 2/23/2011
Subject: SEEBURGER ESTATE -- plastic tank cars, flat cars and hoppers

Gents.Here is another list of Don's stuff for your consideration. There is no need to contact me if you want to buy something. Thanks..Ed Loizeaux INTRODUCTION Plastic freight cars are grouped in bunches - also known as "batches". Each bunch (or batch), in general, is of a similar type car for the same road name or nearby road names. In some cases, there is an assortment of road names from the same region such as northeastern, western, etc. In some cases, there is no road name similarity at all. Sometimes a batch is determined by all cars being a kit, or being assembled, or being RTR or being cars in a similar condition or being from the same manufacturer. All cars are in very good or excellent condition unless otherwise stated. Some are mint, kits are new, nothing obviously missing or damaged. Assembled cars have scale wheels (some NWSL) installed and Kadee couplers (some HO and some S which work with each other just fine). The SHS cars do NOT have the AF-compatible wheels included. However, AF-compatible wheels will be provided upon request as long as the supply lasts. No AF-compatible couplers are available. Prices shown are the selling price for the complete bunch. Most bunches are for six cars, but some are for more and some are for less. Read the descriptions carefully. Lists of additional plastic freight cars of various types will be following shortly. Terms and conditions are listed at the end along with contact information for Eileen Seeburger. There is no need to contact me to place your order. Thanks.Ed Loizeaux ITEM #104 One batch of three cars with scale wheels and KD#5 couplers. Price = $75. ---AM, tank car, J.M.Huber ---DPH/SSA, tank car, GATX ---DPH, box car, Evans double plug door, CNW #600504 #109 One batch of two AM bay window undec caboose kits with scale wheels. Price = $60. #110 One batch of three AM 2-bay open hoppers with scale wheels. Price = $60. ---CP, offset, kit ---D&H, offset, assembled, KD#802 couplers ---B&O, ribbed, assembled, KD#802 #111 One batch of three AM 4-bay hoppers with scale wheels and KD#5 couplers. Price = $60. ---ATSF #181145 ---C&O #67218 ---UP #901426 #112 One batch of four DPH/SSA (formerly Chesapeake Models) 3-bay hoppers with scale wheels. Price = $100. ---CN, KD#802 couplers ---C&O, no couplers ---Rio Grande, no couplers ---Rio Grande, no couplers #113 One batch of four PRS ACF center flow hoppers (grain cars) new kits. No couplers. Price = $100. ---NYC, no trucks ---NYC, no trucks ---GN, with trucks ---CNW, with ACE trucks #115 One batch of four SHS PS-2 2-bay covered hoppers with scale wheels and Kadee couplers. AF wheels available upon request (not installed) while supply lasts. No AF couplers available. Price = $100. ---NYC, KD#5 ---ATSF, KD#5 ---undec, KD#802 ---D&RGW, KD#802 #117 One batch of four SHS hopper cars with KD#5 couplers and scale wheels. AF wheels available upon request (not installed) while supply lasts. No AF couplers available. Price = $110. ---C&O, 2 bay, composite hopper ---N&W, 2 bay hopper ---SP, PS-2 3-bay ---SP, PS-2 3-bay #118 One batch of four SHS USRA 2-bay hoppers with scale wheels, KD#5 couplers, all C&O paint, different numbers. AF wheels available upon request (not installed) while supply lasts. No AF couplers available. Price = $100. #119 One batch of four SHS 2-bay hoppers with scale wheels. AF wheels available upon request (not installed) while supply lasts. No AF couplers available. Price = $ 100. ---D&H, covered hopper with round hatches, Kadee couplers ---NYO&W, USRA type, open top ---WADDELL, USRA type, open top ---NH, panel side type, open top #120 One batch of three AM 2-bay hoppers. New kits with scale wheels. Price = $60 ---UP, ribbed type ---SPC, ribbed type ---CRP/CNJ, offset type #121 One V&T Shops SP flat car kit (new), 53'6", F-70-7. Price = $25 #122 One batch of two SHS hoppers with scale wheels. AF wheels available upon request (not installed) while supply lasts. No AF couplers available. Price = $55 ---GN, offset 2-bay, KD#5 couplers ---CB&Q, 3-bay, KD#802 couplers #123 One batch of four SHS flat cars with scale wheels. AF wheels available upon request (not installed) while supply lasts. No AF couplers available. Price = $120 ---red, unlettered, KD#802, no load ---black, unlettered ---D&RGW ---UP bulkhead flat car, USG BM load #124 One batch of four SHS flat cars with scale wheels. AF wheels available upon request (not installed) while supply lasts. No AF couplers available. Price = $120 ---D&RGW ---PRR ---BAR ---BN bulkhead flat car, USG BM load #125 One batch of three flat cars with scale wheels. AF wheels available upon request (not installed) while supply lasts. No AF couplers available. Price = $86 ---SHS, TOFC, SP, KD#802 ---SHS, TOFC, ATSF, KD#802 ---AM, flat car, SP, 46', RTR #126 One SHS 3-car set of offset TP&W hopper cars (set A) with scale wheels and KD#5 couplers. AF wheels available upon request (not installed) while supply lasts. No AF couplers available. Price = $75 #127 One SHS 3-car set of USRA CRRofNJ hopper cars (set A) with scale wheels and KD#5 couplers. AF wheels available upon request (not installed) while supply lasts. No AF couplers available. Price =$75 #128 One SHS 2-car set of USRA DL&W (early set A) hoppers with scale wheels and KD#5 couplers. AF wheels available upon request (not installed) while supply lasts. No AF couplers available. Price = $50 #129 One SHS 3-car set of panel NYC (set A, black) hoppers. MINT with both AF and scale wheels and AF couplers. Price = $75 #130 One batch of four SHS flat cars with scale wheels and KD#5 couplers. AF wheels available upon request (not installed) while supply lasts. No AF couplers available. Price = $120 ---SP (hydra cushion, #2), brown ---SP (hydra cushion, #1), brown ---GN, green (GN#2) ---NP, green (NP#2) #131 One batch of three flat cars and one gondola with scale wheels. AF wheels available upon request (not installed) for SHS cars while supply lasts. No AF couplers available. Price = $110 ---SHS bulkhead flat car, SOO LINE, GB-BM load (red), no couplers ---SHS flat car, NH (black), KD#802 couplers (no load) ---AM flat car, CP, 46', KD#5 couplers (no load) ---AM gondola, ERIE, KD#5 couplers TERMS, CONDITIONS and the fine print... 1. If you are unsatisfied with anything purchased, return it within ten days in the SAME CONDITION as received for a full refund (excluding postage). 2. e-mail is preferred over telephone or snail mail for communication purposes. Emseeb "at" gmail.com 3. Feel free to ask questions about the models. Questions! about the prototype cannot be answered. 4. Personal checks, certified checks, bank checks, money orders are all acceptable. PayPal not available. 5. All checks will be deposited promptly. Shipment will be made ten days later. 6. Arrangements can be made to pick up your order to save shipping costs. 7. Additional price discounts will be considered for orders above $2,500. Call to discuss. 1-925-915-5736 8. Contact information for questions and orders: Eileen Seeburger email: emseeb@... (preferred) Telephone: 1-925-915-5736 (California time) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63615	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 2/23/2011
Subject: SEEBURGER ESTATE -- gondolas, reefers, cylindrical hoppers, structur

Here is another list of Don's stuff for your consideration. Thanks..Ed Loizeaux INTRODUCTION Plastic freight cars are grouped in bunches - also known as "batches". Each bunch (or batch), in general, is of a similar type car for the same road name or nearby road names. All cars are in very good or excellent condition unless otherwise stated. Some are mint, kits are new, nothing obviously missing or damaged. Assembled cars have scale wheels (some NWSL) installed and Kadee couplers (some HO and some S which work with each other just fine). The SHS cars do NOT have the AF-compatible wheels included - unless described as MINT. However, AF-compatible wheels will be provided upon request as long as the supply lasts. No separate AF-compatible couplers are available. Prices shown are the selling price for the complete bunch. Most bunches are for six cars, but some are for more and some are for less. Read the descriptions carefully. Terms and conditions are listed at the end along with contact information for Eileen Seeburger. There is no need to contact me to place your order. Thanks.Ed Loizeaux ITEM #132 One batch of five gondola cars all with scale wheels and KD#5 couplers except D&H car with KD#802 couplers. Price for entire batch is $100. ---D&H mill gondola by American Models (AM) ---Lackawanna mill gondola by AM ---Pere Marquette mill gondola by AM with coil load (NASG convention car 2006) ---C&O USRA closed side gondola by Des Plaines Hobbies (DPH) ---MILW open side gondola by DPH with logs #136 One batch of five RTR (ready-to-run) reefers with Kadee couplers and scale wheels. All PRS except wood reefer which is SHS. Price = $185. ---3 PRS double heralded cars, black & white, 1952 ---1 PRS multi-color herald, 1947 ---1 SHS wood PFE reefer, double herald #2 scheme #137 One MINT kit by BTS of the 100-ton Evans gondola. Price = $ 45. #138 One batch of four undec cylindrical hoppers by Kaslo. Three MINT kits, one partially assembled. Price = $180. #139 One batch of four undec MINT cylindrical hopper kits by Kaslo. Price = $180. #140 One batch of four undec MINT cylindrical hopper kits by Kaslo. Price =$180. #142 One SP common standard #23 station kit by WA Drake & Co. Short version, mint kit. Price = $90. #143 One SP common standard #23 station kit by WA Drake & Co. Short version, mint kit. Price = $90. #`145 One batch of 18 CDS dry transfers for the Kaslo cylindrical hoppers (grain cars). Canadian road names. Price = $30. #147 One batch of eight open top hoppers by American Models (AM) in less-than-good condition with scale wheels and Kadee couplers. No boxes. Dusty, dirty, probably with some scuffs, minor scratches, etc. Very useable for fleet cars, but not for contest entry. Could be rehabilitated if desired by stripping and repainting. Or could be used as heavily weatherbeaten cars. Price = $80. ---SP (4) ---UP (2) ---Virginian (1) ---ATSF (1) #148 One batch of six AM box cars with scale wheels and KD#5 couplers in less-than-good condition with scale wheels and Kadee couplers. No boxes. Dusty, dirty, probably with some scuffs, minor scratches, etc. Very useable for fleet cars, but not for contest entry. Could be rehabilitated if desired by stripping and repainting. Or could be used as heavily weatherbeaten cars. Price = $60. ---3 plug door, P.G.E., F.G.X., Soo Line ---3 sliding door, Rutland, SP&S, Cotton Belt #149 One batch of three AM box cars with scale wheels in less-than-good condition with scale wheels and Kadee couplers. No boxes. Dusty, dirty, probably with some scuffs, minor scratches, etc. Very useable for fleet cars, but not for contest entry. Could be rehabilitated if desired by stripping and repainting. Or could be used as heavily weatherbeaten cars. Price = $30. ---1 plug door, State of Maine potato (red/white/blue), dummy couplers ---2 sliding door, GTW, ATSF, KD#5 couplers #150 One batch of five AM box cars and one "wood" reefer all with scale wheels and couplers in less-than-good condition. No boxes. Dusty, dirty, probably with some scuffs, minor scratches, etc. Very useable for fleet cars, but not for contest entry. Could be rehabilitated if desired by stripping and repainting. Or could be used as heavily weatherbeaten cars. Price = $60. ---4 AM plug door, WFE, NWP, NWP, DTI, one with dummy couplers, 3 with KD#5 couplers ---1 AM sliding door, B&O, KD#5 couplers ---1 wood reefer, GN/WFE, unknown manufacturer (maybe "S"cenery Unlimited?), AM trucks, KD#5 couplers #151 One batch of two SHS 3-bay covered hoppers in very good condition with scale wheels and Kadee couplers. AF wheels can be supplied (not installed) upon request as long as the supply lasts. No AF couplers are available. Price = $66. ---Burlington (gray), round hatches, KD#802 couplers ---Burlington (black), KD#5 couplers TERMS, CONDITIONS and the fine print... 1. If you are unsatisfied with anything purchased, return it within ten days in the SAME CONDITION as received for a full refund (excluding postage). 2. e-mail is preferred over telephone or snail mail for communication purposes. <mailto:emseeb@...> emseeb@... 3. Feel free to ask questions about the models. Questions about the prototype cannot be answered. 4. Personal checks, certified checks, bank checks, money orders are all acceptable. PayPal not available. 5. All checks will be deposited promptly. Shipment will be made ten days later. 6. Arrangements can be made to pick up your order to save shipping costs. 7. Additional price discounts will be considered for orders above $2,500. Call to discuss. 1-925-915-5736 8. Contact information for questions and orders: Eileen Seeburger email: <mailto:emseeb@...> emseeb@... (preferred) Telephone: 1-925-915-5736 (California time) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63616	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 2/23/2011
Subject: SEEBURGER ESTATE -- Pacific Rail Shops (PRS) plastic box car KITS

Here is another list of Don Seeburger's stuff for your consideration. PRS kits are hard to come by so act accordingly. Thanks..Ed Loizeaux INTRODUCTION Plastic freight cars are grouped in bunches - also known as "batches". Each bunch (or batch), in general, is of a similar type car for the same road name or nearby road names. In some cases, there is an assortment of road names from the same region such as northeastern, western, etc. In some cases, there is no road name similarity at all. Sometimes a batch is determined by all cars being a kit, or being assembled, or being RTR or being cars in a similar condition or being from the same manufacturer. All cars are in very good or excellent condition unless otherwise stated. Some are mint, kits are new, nothing obviously missing or damaged. Assembled cars have scale wheels (some NWSL) installed and Kadee couplers (some HO and some S which work with each other just fine). The SHS cars do NOT have the AF-compatible wheels included. However, AF-compatible wheels will be provided upon request. No AF-compatible couplers are available. Prices shown are the selling price for the complete bunch. Most bunches are for six cars, but some are for more and some are for less. Read the descriptions carefully. Additional plastic freight cars, both kits and assembled, will be following shortly. Terms and conditions are listed at the end along with contact information for Eileen Seeburger. There is no need to contact me to place your order. Thanks.Ed L. #83 One batch of 8 PRS box car kits. New, no trucks, no couplers, colors of various detail parts do not match color of body, mint bodies. Price = $160. ---50' double door (DD), BN #231890, green ---50' single door (SD), IC#25833, brown ---50', SD, IC#523352, orange ---40', DD, SR#272679, brown ---40' SD, Erie#80031, brown ---40' SD, Rio Grande Cookie #60028, white ---40' SD, NS#25619, brown ---40', SD, FEC#21023, brown #87 One batch of six PRS and/or Des Plaines Hobbies (DPH) kits, all 40' box cars with trucks, no couplers. Price = $150. ---C&EI with Viking roof, brown, DPS8926 ---Three of PRS 1937 AAR P&LE, one each of 1940, 1945 and 1955 paint schemes ---Two of Mpls & St. Louis 1937 AAR #91 One batch of six PRS box car kits, trucks as noted, no couplers. Price = $140. ---40', SD, CN (white leaf), with trucks ---40', SD, CP RAIL (1969), no trucks ---40', SD, CP RAIL (1969), with trucks ---50', SD, Undec, painted (no lettering), with trucks ---50', DD, CN (green door lumber service), with trucks ---50', SD, UP (1999 NASG convention car), trucks = ??? #92 One batch of six PRS 40' box car kits, trucks as noted, no couplers. Price = $140. ---NH 1941 paint scheme (brown), B-417, no trucks, doors = ??? ---B&O Timesaver (brown with white lettering), with trucks, doors = ??? ---SD, Erie-Lackawanna (red with white lettering), no trucks ---SD, E-L (gray & maroon 1960 scheme), with trucks ---SD, C&O (progress scheme), with trucks ---SD, NYC (Pacemaker red & gray scheme), with trucks #93 One batch of six PRS box cars. Some kits, some assembled. Price = $155. ---50', DD, NYC (green), B-551, with trucks, kit ---50', SD, NYC (green), B-551, with trucks, kit ---50', SD, Painted without lettering, with trucks, kit ---50', SD, NP, with trucks, kit ---50', SD, SP, B-511, ASSEMBLED, blemishes around doors, some glue smears, couplers = ??? ---40', SD, ATSF (El Capitan), ACE trucks, KD#5 couplers, ASSEMBLED TERMS, CONDITIONS and the fine print... 1. If you are unsatisfied with anything purchased, return it within ten days in the SAME CONDITION as received for a full refund (excluding postage). 2. e-mail is preferred over telephone or snail mail for communication purposes. emseeb@... 3. Feel free to ask questions about the models. Questions about the prototype cannot be answered. 4. Personal checks, certified checks, bank checks, money orders are all acceptable. PayPal not available. 5. All checks will be deposited promptly. Shipment will be made ten days later. 6. Arrangements can be made to pick up your order to save shipping costs. 7. Additional price discounts will be considered for orders above $2,500. Call to discuss. 1-925-915-5736 8. Contact information for questions and orders: Eileen Seeburger email: <mailto:emseeb@...> emseeb@... (preferred) Telephone: 1-925-915-5736 (California time) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63617	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 2/23/2011
Subject: SEEBURGER ESTATE -- plastic gondolas, reefers, cylindrical hoppers,

Gents..Here is another list of Don's stuff for your consideration. Thanks..Ed Loizeaux INTRODUCTION Plastic freight cars are grouped in bunches - also known as "batches". Each bunch (or batch), in general, is of a similar type car for the same road name or nearby road names. All cars are in very good or excellent condition unless otherwise stated. Some are mint, kits are new, nothing obviously missing or damaged. Assembled cars have scale wheels (some NWSL) installed and Kadee couplers (some HO and some S which work with each other just fine). The SHS cars do NOT have the AF-compatible wheels included - unless described as MINT. However, AF-compatible wheels will be provided upon request as long as the supply lasts. No separate AF-compatible couplers are available. Prices shown are the selling price for the complete bunch. Most bunches are for six cars, but some are for more and some are for less. Read the descriptions carefully. Terms and conditions are listed at the end along with contact information for Eileen Seeburger. There is no need to contact me to place your order. Thanks.Ed Loizeaux ITEM #132 One batch of five gondola cars all with scale wheels and KD#5 couplers except D&H car with KD#802 couplers. Price for entire batch is $100. ---D&H mill gondola by American Models (AM) ---Lackawanna mill gondola by AM ---Pere Marquette mill gondola by AM with coil load (NASG convention car 2006) ---C&O USRA closed side gondola by Des Plaines Hobbies (DPH) ---MILW open side gondola by DPH with logs #133 One batch of three SHS reefers with scale wheels (no AF wheels or couplers). AF wheels can be supplied (not installed) upon request as long as the supply lasts. No AF couplers are available. Price = $90. ---NKP, KD#802 couplers ---Curve Beer, NASG convention car for Altoona, PA convention. ---WP/PFE, KD#5 couplers #134 One batch of five PRS/Gold Coast PFE reefers R-40-23. MINT with scale trucks. No couplers. Price =$175. ---3 with color herald (PRS kits) ---1 with black & white herald (PRS ready-to-run) ---1 with black & white herald (Gold Coast kit) #135 One batch of two PRS refrigerator cars. MINT kits. Price = $25. ---DUBUQUE (orange with trucks) ---DUBUQUE (white with trucks) #136 One batch of five RTR (ready-to-run) reefers with Kadee couplers and scale wheels. All PRS except wood reefer which is SHS. Price = $185. ---3 PRS double heralded cars, black & white, 1952 ---1 PRS multi-color herald, 1947 ---1 SHS wood PFE reefer, double herald #2 scheme #137 One MINT kit by BTS of the 100-ton Evans gondola. Price = $ 45. #138 One batch of four undec cylindrical hoppers by Kaslo. Three MINT kits, one partially assembled. Price = $180. #139 One batch of four undec MINT cylindrical hopper kits by Kaslo. Price = $180. #140 One batch of four undec MINT cylindrical hopper kits by Kaslo. Price =$180. #142 One SP common standard #23 station kit by WA Drake & Co. Short version, mint kit. Price = $90. #143 One SP common standard #23 station kit by WA Drake & Co. Short version, mint kit. Price = $90. #144 One batch of 13 new SHS roller bearing trucks #00003, 70 ton, code 110. Price = $60 for batch. #`145 One batch of 18 CDS dry transfers for the Kaslo cylindrical hoppers (grain cars). Canadian road names. Price = $30. #147 One batch of eight open top hoppers by American Models (AM) in less-than-good condition with scale wheels and Kadee couplers. No boxes. Dusty, dirty, probably with some scuffs, minor scratches, etc. Very useable for fleet cars, but not for contest entry. Could be rehabilitated if desired by stripping and repainting. Or could be used as heavily weatherbeaten cars. Price = $80. ---SP (4) ---UP (2) ---Virginian (1) ---ATSF (1) #148 One batch of six AM box cars with scale wheels and KD#5 couplers in less-than-good condition with scale wheels and Kadee couplers. No boxes. Dusty, dirty, probably with some scuffs, minor scratches, etc. Very useable for fleet cars, but not for contest entry. Could be rehabilitated if desired by stripping and repainting. Or could be used as heavily weatherbeaten cars. Price = $60. ---3 plug door, P.G.E., F.G.X., Soo Line ---3 sliding door, Rutland, SP&S, Cotton Belt #149 One batch of three AM box cars with scale wheels in less-than-good condition with scale wheels and Kadee couplers. No boxes. Dusty, dirty, probably with some scuffs, minor scratches, etc. Very useable for fleet cars, but not for contest entry. Could be rehabilitated if desired by stripping and repainting. Or could be used as heavily weatherbeaten cars. Price = $30. ---1 plug door, State of Maine potato (red/white/blue), dummy couplers ---2 sliding door, GTW, ATSF, KD#5 couplers #150 One batch of five AM box cars and one "wood" reefer all with scale wheels and couplers in less-than-good condition. No boxes. Dusty, dirty, probably with some scuffs, minor scratches, etc. Very useable for fleet cars, but not for contest entry. Could be rehabilitated if desired by stripping and repainting. Or could be used as heavily weatherbeaten cars. Price = $60. ---4 AM plug door, WFE, NWP, NWP, DTI, one with dummy couplers, 3 with KD#5 couplers ---1 AM sliding door, B&O, KD#5 couplers ---1 wood reefer, GN/WFE, unknown manufacturer (maybe "S"cenery Unlimited?), AM trucks, KD#5 couplers #151 One batch of two SHS 3-bay covered hoppers in very good condition with scale wheels and Kadee couplers. AF wheels can be supplied (not installed) upon request as long as the supply lasts. No AF couplers are available. Price = $66. ---Burlington (gray), round hatches, KD#802 couplers ---Burlington (black), KD#5 couplers TERMS, CONDITIONS and the fine print... 1. If you are unsatisfied with anything purchased, return it within ten days in the SAME CONDITION as received for a full refund (excluding postage). 2. e-mail is preferred over telephone or snail mail for communication purposes. Emseeb "at" gmail.com 3. Feel free to ask questions about the models. Questions about the prototype cannot be answered. 4. Personal checks, certified checks, bank checks, money orders are all acceptable. PayPal not available. 5. All checks will be deposited promptly. Shipment will be made ten days later. 6. Arrangements can be made to pick up your order to save shipping costs. 7. Additional price discounts will be considered for orders above $2,500. Call to discuss. 1-925-915-5736 8. Contact information for questions and orders: Eileen Seeburger email: emseeb "at" gmail.com (preferred) Telephone: 1-925-915-5736 (California time) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63618	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/23/2011
Subject: Danbury RR Museum

http://www.danbury.org/DRM/ I just completed hotel reservations for the end of September for stops along the way to our annual trip to Maine and Acadia National Park. We are going to stop in Danbury, CT, as we have seen signs for this RR museum. Just thought I would pass along the webpage for it. There is a train shopped in Danbury and Amato’s is just up the interstate in New Britain, CT, home of the New Britain Rock Cats Baseball club. Season will be over by then. Also just completed my A&M box car kit that I got in 1992 or so from Doug Peck’s stall at a antique mall in Wells, Maine. I used the Plasticstrut glue and had no problems with the glue. The kit came out pretty well considering my skill level is the best. LOL Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63619	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/23/2011
Subject: Age of Stream Roundhouse

This is less than fifty miles from me and I have ridden Jerry's trains many times. This project has been his dream for at least thirty years. Much of the funding to start the project came from his sale of the Ohio Central Railroad to a larger shortline operator. However, the work has moved slowly and the funding is running low. Attempts at getting state and government grants have fallen through. Most of the collection of steam locomotives has been stored outdoors for a long time and is showing the effects. All of us in the area are hoping that construction can be completed within the next few years and the equipment can find permanent dry shelter at last. Stumpy on the Ohio River

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63620	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 2/23/2011
Subject: Re: Danbury RR Museum

Don't know if the train shop is still in Danbury, unless it moved. The last time I want through, it was all closed up and moved away. While in Danbury, you should also stop at Stew Leonard's, "the world's largest dairy store". No trains, but it's definitely different! Of course, the Danbury RR museum is worth the visit, as is the Railroad Museum of New England just up the road before you get to Waterbury. Please note: message attached From: "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: "Toy Trains" <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, "S Scale" <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com>, "Steve Conard" <steve.conard@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Danbury RR Museum Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:09:32 -0500 ____________________________________________________________ $65/Hr Job - 25 Openings Part-Time job ($20-$65/hr). Requirements: Home Internet Access http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d65b4ec20ae14b2751st02duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63621	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: Danbury RR Museum

Thanks for the tip on the Dairy store, as I collect old milk bottles. I Google the Train shop it is still listed. The Waterbury RR looks great but will be closed at the time of travel. Another time. Mike From: schwartzsj@... Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 8:30 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Danbury RR Museum Don't know if the train shop is still in Danbury, unless it moved. The last time I want through, it was all closed up and moved away. While in Danbury, you should also stop at Stew Leonard's, "the world's largest dairy store". No trains, but it's definitely different! Of course, the Danbury RR museum is worth the visit, as is the Railroad Museum of New England just up the road before you get to Waterbury. Please note: message attached From: "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: "Toy Trains" <mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com>, "S Scale" <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, "Steve Conard" <mailto:steve.conard%40comcast.net> Subject: [S-Trains] Danbury RR Museum Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:09:32 -0500 __________________________________________________________ $65/Hr Job - 25 Openings Part-Time job ($20-$65/hr). Requirements: Home Internet Access http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d65b4ec20ae14b2751st02duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63622	From: Jim	Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Adding motor to B Unit

Good Morning All- Anyone tackled putting an AF power truck/motor into a B Unit? I assume there are issues with connecting the e-unit for both motors (A unit and B unit). Would I pick up more pulling power by adding the motor to a B unit or going to an A unit with two motors? BTW, I added a Williams TruBlast !! horn to my B unit and it sounds very good. Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63623	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gauger's layout display

Hank, Can you give some more details about the radio controlled portion of the layout? THNX, Don Munsey, Jr Sn42 & Hn16 river logging fan living in the Upper Right Corner of Louisiana USA On 2/21/2011 9:19 PM, Michael.McConnell wrote: > > The South Jersey S Gaugers will be displaying our S Gauge layout at The > World's Greatest Hobby Show on Tour at the NJ Expo Center in Edison, > NJ on > Feb. 26, 10 am to 6 pm, and Feb. 27, 10 am to 5 pm. We're quite proud of > our highly detailed 12' X 26', three level, high-rail sectional layout > that > includes many original and reproduction animated accessories. The three > loops of mainline and a Radio-controlled short-rail line gives plenty of > action to keep everyone's attention. > > The NASG and Hoquat Hobbies are some of the many vendors who will be > present, along with at least 12 other layouts of all gauges for your > viewing pleasure at this 125,000 square foot venue. Hopefully Lionel will > be displaying their newest "S" offerings as well. > > If you make it to the show, please stop by and say Hi to the "S" crew. > > Hank Worrell > South Jersey S Gaugers, Inc. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63624	From: DennisC	Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: Danbury RR Museum

the train shop, Railworks was located in Danbury Ct. but moved to a new location, not to far away. They are at 457 Federal Road Brookfield Ct. 06804. while keeping the same phone number (203 797 8386 ) I know this by personally visiting both locations best regards, Dennis Caruso --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > > Thanks for the tip on the Dairy store, as I collect old milk bottles. > > I Google the Train shop it is still listed. > > The Waterbury RR looks great but will be closed at the time of travel. Another time. > > Mike > From: schwartzsj@... > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 8:30 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Danbury RR Museum > > > Don't know if the train shop is still in Danbury, unless it moved. The last time I want through, it was all closed up and moved away. While in Danbury, you should also stop at Stew Leonard's, "the world's largest dairy store". No trains, but it's definitely different! Of course, the Danbury RR museum is worth the visit, as is the Railroad Museum of New England just up the road before you get to Waterbury. > > Please note: message attached > > From: "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> > To: "Toy Trains" <mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com>, "S Scale" <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com>, "S Trains" <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, "Steve Conard" <mailto:steve.conard%40comcast.net> > Subject: [S-Trains] Danbury RR Museum > Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:09:32 -0500 > > __________________________________________________________ > $65/Hr Job - 25 Openings > Part-Time job ($20-$65/hr). Requirements: Home Internet Access > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d65b4ec20ae14b2751st02duc > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63625	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: Danbury RR Museum

Dennis, Thanks for letting me know, I wrote it down, the new address and I found it on a map. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63626	From: frank emiro	Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit

The B unit chassis might not be proper to add the power truck. You might want to see if a A unit will line up to the B unit shell, then you can power up. Frank R. EMIRO --- On Thu, 2/24/11, Jim <jimensign50@...> wrote: From: Jim <jimensign50@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Adding motor to B Unit To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 9:53 AM   Good Morning All- Anyone tackled putting an AF power truck/motor into a B Unit? I assume there are issues with connecting the e-unit for both motors (A unit and B unit). Would I pick up more pulling power by adding the motor to a B unit or going to an A unit with two motors? BTW, I added a Williams TruBlast !! horn to my B unit and it sounds very good. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63627	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit

I no longer fool with AF diesels but back in the good ole daze before AM and SHS offered us superior diesels I installed a couple of powered A chasses into B shells. This was to add more power for long passenger trains and to reduce the problem of unpowered B or A units easily derailing. I know that not all powered units will fit into all B units but some will. I think the chasses I used were from the PAs that did not have pul-mor wheels. I know that one such unit was from a Santa Fe PA, probably a 360. I would much rather have the AM PAs than the old AF PAs for better performance. But if you have some junkers that still have good motors, it might be a whole lot cheaper to put power units into a B shell. I wonder what Steve Blackburn of SnS trains might have to say on this subject. I would expect that he has been approached at one time or another about installing one of his motors in dummy units. - Earl Henry, in rainy Nashville, TN In a message dated 2/24/2011 1:50:25 P.M. Central Standard Time, femiro2002@... writes: The B unit chassis might not be proper to add the power truck. You might want to see if a A unit will line up to the B unit shell, then you can power up. Frank R. EMIRO --- On Thu, 2/24/11, Jim <_jimensign50@..._ (mailto:jimensign50@...) > wrote: From: Jim <_jimensign50@..._ (mailto:jimensign50@...) > Subject: [S-Trains] Adding motor to B Unit To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 9:53 AM Good Morning All- Anyone tackled putting an AF power truck/motor into a B Unit? I assume there are issues with connecting the e-unit for both motors (A unit and B unit). Would I pick up more pulling power by adding the motor to a B unit or going to an A unit with two motors? BTW, I added a Williams TruBlast !! horn to my B unit and it sounds very good. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63628	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit

Jim, If you are just adding a motor to a B unit and have a single motor A unit to run with it....I would work toward a twin motor A unit. If you are using DC for your operation what you do is not an issue.... but the E units is going to be a problem unless you lock them in forward .... Some of the early B units had the regular motorized chassis just no gears on the axles...but they have the right yokes to accept a power truck and that can all be done with out to much trouble and should you do a double motor A and B you are going to be drawing about 6 to 8 amps. And for the pulling power both units should have some presence of pullmor wheels....what amount of cars are you planning on pulling? gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:53 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Adding motor to B Unit Good Morning All- Anyone tackled putting an AF power truck/motor into a B Unit? I assume there are issues with connecting the e-unit for both motors (A unit and B unit). Would I pick up more pulling power by adding the motor to a B unit or going to an A unit with two motors? BTW, I added a Williams TruBlast !! horn to my B unit and it sounds very good. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63629	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: Danbury RR Museum

Mike: I don't know if they do milk bottles. But, look up Stew Leonard's on Google. Please note: message attached From: "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Danbury RR Museum Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 23:09:57 -0500 ____________________________________________________________ Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d66fe9f4d35b45ddaest03duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63630	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/24/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit

I'd like to pull 3 or 4 aluminum passenger cars with no problem. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gale Hall" <frisco91@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 6:04:43 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Adding motor to B Unit Jim, If you are just adding a motor to a B unit and have a single motor A unit to run with it....I would work toward a twin motor A unit. If you are using DC for your operation what you do is not an issue.... but the E units is going to be a problem unless you lock them in forward .... Some of the early B units had the regular motorized chassis just no gears on the axles...but they have the right yokes to accept a power truck and that can all be done with out to much trouble and should you do a double motor A and B you are going to be drawing about 6 to 8 amps. And for the pulling power both units should have some presence of pullmor wheels....what amount of cars are you planning on pulling? gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:53 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Adding motor to B Unit Good Morning All- Anyone tackled putting an AF power truck/motor into a B Unit? I assume there are issues with connecting the e-unit for both motors (A unit and B unit). Would I pick up more pulling power by adding the motor to a B unit or going to an A unit with two motors? BTW, I added a Williams TruBlast !! horn to my B unit and it sounds very good. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63631	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit

I have in fact installed motors in a couple of "B" units. They are can motors of course, and with the Dallee reverse units you don't have to "lock" them at all. They always start out in forward and default back to forward after any 5 second power delay. Of course, you have to orient the "B" unit correctly to the "A" unit. Steve SnS Tains In a message dated 2/24/2011 4:31:43 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, tennsgauge@... writes: I no longer fool with AF diesels but back in the good ole daze before AM and SHS offered us superior diesels I installed a couple of powered A chasses into B shells. This was to add more power for long passenger trains and to reduce the problem of unpowered B or A units easily derailing. I know that not all powered units will fit into all B units but some will. I think the chasses I used were from the PAs that did not have pul-mor wheels. I know that one such unit was from a Santa Fe PA, probably a 360. I would much rather have the AM PAs than the old AF PAs for better performance. But if you have some junkers that still have good motors, it might be a whole lot cheaper to put power units into a B shell. I wonder what Steve Blackburn of SnS trains might have to say on this subject. I would expect that he has been approached at one time or another about installing one of his motors in dummy units. - Earl Henry, in rainy Nashville, TN In a message dated 2/24/2011 1:50:25 P.M. Central Standard Time, _femiro2002@..._ (mailto:femiro2002@...) writes: The B unit chassis might not be proper to add the power truck. You might want to see if a A unit will line up to the B unit shell, then you can power up. Frank R. EMIRO --- On Thu, 2/24/11, Jim <__jimensign50@..._ (mailto:_jimensign50@...) _ (mailto:_jimensign50@..._ (mailto:jimensign50@...) ) > wrote: From: Jim <__jimensign50@..._ (mailto:_jimensign50@...) _ (mailto:_jimensign50@..._ (mailto:jimensign50@...) ) > Subject: [S-Trains] Adding motor to B Unit To: __S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 9:53 AM Good Morning All- Anyone tackled putting an AF power truck/motor into a B Unit? I assume there are issues with connecting the e-unit for both motors (A unit and B unit). Would I pick up more pulling power by adding the motor to a B unit or going to an A unit with two motors? BTW, I added a Williams TruBlast !! horn to my B unit and it sounds very good. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63632	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit

A double motor A ought to do that with out any problems.....I know they are sort of anchors, but what are you trying to pull them with? gale ----- Original Message ----- From: jimensign50@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Adding motor to B Unit I'd like to pull 3 or 4 aluminum passenger cars with no problem. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gale Hall" <frisco91@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 6:04:43 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Adding motor to B Unit Jim, If you are just adding a motor to a B unit and have a single motor A unit to run with it....I would work toward a twin motor A unit. If you are using DC for your operation what you do is not an issue.... but the E units is going to be a problem unless you lock them in forward .... Some of the early B units had the regular motorized chassis just no gears on the axles...but they have the right yokes to accept a power truck and that can all be done with out to much trouble and should you do a double motor A and B you are going to be drawing about 6 to 8 amps. And for the pulling power both units should have some presence of pullmor wheels....what amount of cars are you planning on pulling? gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:53 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Adding motor to B Unit Good Morning All- Anyone tackled putting an AF power truck/motor into a B Unit? I assume there are issues with connecting the e-unit for both motors (A unit and B unit). Would I pick up more pulling power by adding the motor to a B unit or going to an A unit with two motors? BTW, I added a Williams TruBlast !! horn to my B unit and it sounds very good. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63633	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Danbury RR Museum

Thanks as I did and I marked it as something to visit if time permits, as we are just spending one night in Danbury. Looks like Stew Leonard’s is a huge grocery store with a dairy, like a Wegman’s. Wegman’s is a wonderful place where you can spend hours in looking at all the things they have. To make this train related, the local MD PBS station has it own version of Antiques Roadshow and someone had a pre-1953 AF box set. Not sure what set it was, but they said about 600, as I think the engine was a K-5. It did have a Shell tanker, a crane car, a Gray Hopper and some other cars. Mike From: schwartzsj@... Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 7:56 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Danbury RR Museum Mike: I don't know if they do milk bottles. But, look up Stew Leonard's on Google. Please note: message attached From: "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Danbury RR Museum Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 23:09:57 -0500 __________________________________________________________ Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d66fe9f4d35b45ddaest03duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63634	From: Timboy	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit

Jim: I put two motors into a B unit a few years back. It's doable. I had to cut the chassis mounts down inside the shell and tap new screw holes as well. I had an odd arrangement back then. The A unit was a dummy. The B unit pushed it and pulled another trailing A unit plus a string of pax cars. Worked real well, though! You mentioned wanting to use an e-unit. Most guys use the Dallee e-units, although I think Lionel still makes some. Whether you use a modern e-unit or a Flyer mechanical reverse unit, the idea is about the same and largely personal preference. E-units tend to be less persnickety than vintage reverse units, however. Regards, Timboy, An American Flyer Nerd

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63635	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit

In a message dated 2/25/2011 8:21:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, timstrains2000@... writes: You mentioned wanting to use an e-unit. Most guys use the Dallee e-units, although I think Lionel still makes some. Whether you use a modern e-unit or a Flyer mechanical reverse unit, the idea is about the same and largely personal preference. E-units tend to be less persnickety than vintage reverse units, however MY issue with LIONEL is their "Customer Service" IF there is any??? Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63636	From: tbennerohio	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit

Jim, Using a two motor A unit should do it and would be less of a project. My two motor 360 pulls the 364 and 4 Aluminum cars with no problem. But sometimes the project holds all the fun. I would like to hear more about the Williams horn. Is it triggered by DC like an AM horn? Trying to figure out if it will work with TMCC. I have been toying with the idea of putting a Dallee sound board in the 364. If the Williams horn is available and reasonable priced it may be a better option. When that train is rolling, the wheels alone make so much noise that the engine sounds from the Dallee chip may be lost anyway. But I still want to try it :) Regards, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63637	From: Ray Puls	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: adding motor to B unit

Hi Group, I am a Flyer guy and I have a 364 AB engine b-unit combination which pulls four of the aluminum cars made by Gilbert. This is a twin motored A-unit with the dummy B-unit and it pulled four AC Gilbert aluminum passenger cars on our modular layout for eight hours straight during a show in Madison a few years back.  The only problem with this engine is the lack of pull-more wheels. I have found it to be more of a problem on the nickel silver rails than on the original Flyer steel rails. Good lube of the wheel sets on the cars is essential because of the weight of four aluminum cars. For lubrication on these cars and my other trains I now use EXCELLE Lubricants which you can buy as a kit, cost about $25.00 expensive yes but it works for me. I don't think there is a passenger car made since these aluminum cars were made that looks as rich when they are polished up. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63638	From: lumglum	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: # 809

I have a #809 ... It does not run as well as it used to (slower than before) . I also have the # 800 , it still runs great. ANY HELP FOR THE #809 ? Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63639	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit

In a message dated 2/24/2011 9:51:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jimensign50@... writes: If you are just adding a motor to a B unit and have a single motor A unit to run with it....I would work toward a twin motor A unit. If you are using DC for your operation what you do is not an issue... . but the E units is going to be a problem unless you lock them in forward .... Use a DALLEE 10 amp e-unit, run jumpers from unit to unit. _http://www.dallee.com/E_Units.htm_ (http://www.dallee.com/E_Units.htm) I stock them. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63640	From: Timboy	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Hi Everyone! I started a rehab project on The Silver Bullet. I acquired one in distress. If you would like to follow along on this project, I created a new post dedicated to it on my blog at: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy, An American Flyer Nerd

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63641	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Borden's Condensed Milk Factory

http://cgi.ebay.com/RP850-Postcard-Real-Photo-Hampshire-IL-Milk-Co-RR-/370487223062?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5642c26316 A postcard from 1910, as this pictures a Borden’s Condensed Milk Factory, as I think Borden’s is on the smoke stack. It is along RR tracks, for shipping of finished product via rail. There is a rail car at the loading dock. Would be a neat structure on any layout. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63642	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: # 809

Why don't you speak to a tech at Lionel ? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "lumglum" <gpmlg@...> Sender: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:58:39 To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] # 809 I have a #809 ... It does not run as well as it used to (slower than before) . I also have the # 800 , it still runs great. ANY HELP FOR THE #809 ? Thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63643	From: Scott	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Pullmor and Showcase Track

Hey, Before I jump to the question, I should probably fill in the background. Four months ago, I had my 336 Northern restored. However, the repairman removed the pullmor tire to fix the wobble, even though the reason the pullmor wobbled was because there was only half a tire. Anyways, he told me that large locomotives like my 322 SIT and the 336 did not need pullmor because of their weight. Well, lets just say that my 21168 Southern Casey can out pull my 336 a normal 21165 Erie Casey seems to have the same amount of traction as my 322. Now, as for loads, I have seen the Northern struggle with 5 plastic aluminum passenger cars (All heavily lubricated; its like they float now) and I have seen the northern struggle with 10 very light, easy rolling cars while the 21168, 21165, and most GP7's will still pull the same train. Now, my question is whether the showcase track would make that much of a difference when it comes to using pullmor or not? I know pullmor helps, but would the locomotives perform better on original flyer track and is a pullmor a relative nessecity when it comes to pulling trains? Thanks. Scott Miller Technician and Electrician of the Tampa Bay Toy Train Museum http://smodulators.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63644	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: club convention cars for sale

I have the following convention cars coming from a collector who is thinning his collection. Club convention cars like this tend to hold their value and are highly collectible; in my experience, they usually sell at or above Greenberg book value on ebay.  All are in their original boxes, most with outer shipping box, Like New or Mint. For reference purposes, I show 2010 Greenberg book values for Mint condition cars. Make offer. Bob Graves 48205 NASG 1997 PFE reefer $52 Two 48211 NASG 1998 Magnolia tank cars $60 each 48214 NASG 1999 GN caboose $60 Two 48222 TTOS 2000 British Columbia tank cars $70 each 48231 TTOS 2003 Linde boxcar $110 48235 TTOS 2004 SMOKEY BEAR 60TH BIRTHDAY WATER TANK car $115 52095 NASG 1996 Mobilgas tank car $85 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63645	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Tim, it don't look that bad I think you can save it. Bob To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: timstrains2000@... Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:38:10 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Building a large AF layout Hi Everyone! I started a rehab project on The Silver Bullet. I acquired one in distress. If you would like to follow along on this project, I created a new post dedicated to it on my blog at: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy, An American Flyer Nerd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63646	From: rick gough	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit

Jim, So tell us all about the 'Williams Tru Blast horn' already.... rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63647	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit

The Williams installation could not be much simpler. I think I paid $35-40 for it, but don't quote me on that. No worries about not being able to hear the TruBlast II - it's loud! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 7:13:13 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Adding motor to B Unit Jim, Using a two motor A unit should do it and would be less of a project. My two motor 360 pulls the 364 and 4 Aluminum cars with no problem. But sometimes the project holds all the fun. I would like to hear more about the Williams horn. Is it triggered by DC like an AM horn? Trying to figure out if it will work with TMCC. I have been toying with the idea of putting a Dallee sound board in the 364. If the Williams horn is available and reasonable priced it may be a better option. When that train is rolling, the wheels alone make so much noise that the engine sounds from the Dallee chip may be lost anyway. But I still want to try it :) Regards, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63648	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: adding motor to B unit

Thanks for the info. I agree - the aluminum cars are downright classy! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Puls" <rpuls3@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 7:46:37 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: adding motor to B unit Hi Group, I am a Flyer guy and I have a 364 AB engine b-unit combination which pulls four of the aluminum cars made by Gilbert. This is a twin motored A-unit with the dummy B-unit and it pulled four AC Gilbert aluminum passenger cars on our modular layout for eight hours straight during a show in Madison a few years back. The only problem with this engine is the lack of pull-more wheels. I have found it to be more of a problem on the nickel silver rails than on the original Flyer steel rails. Good lube of the wheel sets on the cars is essential because of the weight of four aluminum cars. For lubrication on these cars and my other trains I now use EXCELLE Lubricants which you can buy as a kit, cost about $25.00 expensive yes but it works for me. I don't think there is a passenger car made since these aluminum cars were made that looks as rich when they are polished up. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63649	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit

Thanks for the info. I was considering switching out the e-unit to a Dallee. I put a Dallee in a steamer and love it. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 6:23:17 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Adding motor to B Unit In a message dated 2/24/2011 9:51:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jimensign50@... writes: If you are just adding a motor to a B unit and have a single motor A unit to run with it....I would work toward a twin motor A unit. If you are using DC for your operation what you do is not an issue... . but the E units is going to be a problem unless you lock them in forward .... Use a DALLEE 10 amp e-unit, run jumpers from unit to unit. _ http://www.dallee.com/E_Units.htm_ ( http://www.dallee.com/E_Units.htm ) I stock them. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63650	From: David	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Hi Tim, Do you have a close-up photo of the wheel chip before repair? BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > Hi Everyone! > > I started a rehab project on The Silver Bullet. I acquired one in distress. If you would like to follow along on this project, I created a new post dedicated to it on my blog at: > > http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ > > Regards, > > Timboy, An American Flyer Nerd >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63651	From: Timboy	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

BG1: No. I'm sorry; I do not have a "before" pic of the wheel rim chip-out. It was about 1/4" long. I used JB Weld Quick. When it was set up, I used a small file to trim it and blend it into the rest of the rim. Quite easy, actually. Tough part was matching the wheel rim color with paint. Some white with a little wee bit of yellow seems to work. Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63652	From: Robert	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Hobby Shops now gone

Does anyone remeber hobby shops such as Poulsbo Pacific, Village Depot and Eastern Model Railroad Company? I bought from all at 1 time or another and had actually been in all three. Arno Rinck of eastewrn Model Railroad Company was originally in New Jersey then at soime time in the 60's or y70's moved to Hungry Horse, Montana. I was in his shop in the early to mid 70's only a few years before he passed and my impression was that if he didn't have it they didn't make it. I remember he had all sorts of stuff to include Flyer and Lionel in the original boxes and this was well after Flyer ceased production. In fact he had a lot of stuff that was no longer made still in the original boxes that were so dusty you could not read what was on the tops you had to rely on what was printed on the ends.Arno was a nice guy but could get a little cantankerous at times but he sure knew his models and he knew exactly what he had in stock and just where it was. Steve at Village Depot which was located in Cottage Grove Oregon was very helpful and knowledgable. What's more all of the places I mentioned had S scale both Flyer and scale Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63653	From: Robert	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jimensign50@... wrote: > > Thanks for the info. I was considering switching out the e-unit to a Dallee. I put a Dallee in a steamer and love it. > Jim E. > I know I'm going to get a lot of flak on this but wouldn't it be easier to just convert to DC or DCC? I know you flyer guys are a diehard group but seems that reversing olocomotives would be a whole lot less painful by not having to worry about those e-units

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63654	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Pull- Mor and Showcase track

Scott, it is true that the early, non-Pull-Mor, Flyer steamers with diecast metal shells are often better pullers than the plastic shell locos, so as Gilbert moved toward plastic on many engines, traction tires became a must. However, boiler weight is often not enough (even on real steam locomotives) and best performance with Flyer is had with traction tires. If Gilbert went to the trouble and cost of putting them on a locomotive back in the fifties as a toy maker, they're there for good reason! As for Showcase track, I've had no problem with locos being any slipperier on it than original track, it's a well engineered product which I have now used exclusively for many years on three layouts. Stumpy Stone along the DEEP Ohio River. Stumpy in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63655	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Pull- Mor and Showcase track

Something that might hwlp with tractive effort is to clean the track daily or at least every other day. One time a friiewnd accidentally spilled some wahl clipper oil on a section of HO track and his 4-8-4 didn't yhave enough power to get out of it's own way actually that wasn't the problem the track was too slippery. he'd cut the power and the thing would slide for 3 or 4 feet. and couldn't even pull 3 freight cars and a caboose. Cleaning the track made a big improvement. I'm not saying that's the problem but it might help Bob To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mrstumpy@... Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:12:07 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Pull- Mor and Showcase track Scott, it is true that the early, non-Pull-Mor, Flyer steamers with diecast metal shells are often better pullers than the plastic shell locos, so as Gilbert moved toward plastic on many engines, traction tires became a must. However, boiler weight is often not enough (even on real steam locomotives) and best performance with Flyer is had with traction tires. If Gilbert went to the trouble and cost of putting them on a locomotive back in the fifties as a toy maker, they're there for good reason! As for Showcase track, I've had no problem with locos being any slipperier on it than original track, it's a well engineered product which I have now used exclusively for many years on three layouts. Stumpy Stone along the DEEP Ohio River. Stumpy in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63656	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit

I've considered converting to DC. I wish Flyer had done it 70 years ago. BUT there's cost involved and I operate on a shoestring budget. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert" <danceswithwolves49@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 4:39:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Adding motor to B Unit --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , jimensign50@... wrote: > > Thanks for the info. I was considering switching out the e-unit to a Dallee. I put a Dallee in a steamer and love it. > Jim E. > I know I'm going to get a lot of flak on this but wouldn't it be easier to just convert to DC or DCC? I know you flyer guys are a diehard group but seems that reversing olocomotives would be a whole lot less painful by not having to worry about those e-units [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63657	From: tbennerohio	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Sound in an AF 360 - 364

I read the warnings about the hum in AF airchime whistles/horns before installing TMCC. The AC waveform produces a constant LOUD hum therough the AF speakers. For my steamers I installed a removable jumper. Jumper on - ready for Airchime; jumper off - ready for TMCC with no whistle. For the Alcos, I found a micro SPDT that fits into one of the original holes that serves the same purpose. But with TMCC, no horn. Jim's talk about the Williams True Blast got me thinking. Maybe there is a way to have TMCC *and* a whistle. Does anyone know if the Williams horns can be controlled with the TMCC Cab1 Horn controller? That would be the least expensive solution. The Dallee units with prime mover sounds also look like a deluxe option. Has anyone used these with TMCC? Thanks for your input! Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63658	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit

Using a two motor A unit should do it and would be less of a project. My two motor 360 pulls the 364 and 4 Aluminum cars with no problem. But sometimes the project holds all the fun. I would like to hear more about the Williams horn. Is it triggered by DC like an AM horn? Trying to figure out if it will work with TMCC. I have been toying with the idea of putting a Dallee sound board in the 364. If the Williams horn is available and reasonable priced it may be a better option. When that train is rolling, the wheels alone make so much noise that the engine sounds from the Dallee chip may be lost anyway. But I still want to try it :) Regards, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63659	From: Timboy	Date: 2/25/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit

Thanks for the info. I was considering switching out the e-unit to a Dallee. I put a Dallee in a steamer and love it. > > Jim E. Jim E. I confess I am confused at your comment. How can you switch out an e-unit to a Dallee? Are you referring to switching out a Lionel electronic unit to a Dallee? What am I missing here? Regards, Timboy, The American Flyer Nerd

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63660	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit

Switching a Flyer loco from the drum type or two position reverse unit to a Dallee E-unit is a very simple process. It also ends the aggravation of the sticking Gilbert unit. They work E V E R Y time. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 2/25/2011 7:30:56 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, timstrains2000@... writes: Thanks for the info. I was considering switching out the e-unit to a Dallee. I put a Dallee in a steamer and love it. > > Jim E. Jim E. I confess I am confused at your comment. How can you switch out an e-unit to a Dallee? Are you referring to switching out a Lionel electronic unit to a Dallee? What am I missing here? Regards, Timboy, The American Flyer Nerd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63661	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: Pullmor and Showcase Track

Scott Miller wrote:   Pullmor and Showcase Track Posted by: "Scott" scottmmiller1@...   legodaylight4449 Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:35 am (PST) Hey, Before I jump to the question, I should probably fill in the background. Four months ago, I had my 336 Northern restored. However, the repairman removed the pullmor tire to fix the wobble, even though the reason the pullmor wobbled was because there was only half a tire. Anyways, he told me that large locomotives like my 322 SIT and the 336 did not need pullmor because of their weight. Well, lets just say that my 21168 Southern Casey can out pull my 336 a normal 21165 Erie Casey seems to have the same amount of traction as my 322. Now, as for loads, I have seen the Northern struggle with 5 plastic aluminum passenger cars (All heavily lubricated; its like they float now) and I have seen the northern struggle with 10 very light, easy rolling cars while the 21168, 21165, and most GP7's will still pull the same train. Now, my question is whether the showcase track would make that much of a difference when it comes to using pullmor or not? I know pullmor helps, but would the locomotives perform better on original flyer track and is a pullmor a relative nessecity when it comes to pulling trains? Thanks. Scott Miller Technician and Electrician of the Tampa Bay Toy Train Museum http://smodulators. com/ ##################################################### Scott, The solution is very simple. Replace the rims with our Pullmor rims with the tires vulcanized right onto to the rims. These replacement Pullmor rims are made in England for Doug Peck and myself and never shed their tire, like happens frequently with replacement Pullmor tires. A pair of these rims (costing only $15 plus S&H) on a 300 3-piece diecast Atlantic will pull the wallpaper off a wall. Joe  Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer ###################Authorized Lionel Service Center#################### ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@....###########.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63662	From: Carey Probst	Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit

Not much, last time I looked the full wave rectifier needed for DC was about $2.50 at Radio Shack, 1 per engine plus a little wiring skill and soldering. DCC is another cost story in itself. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 2/25/2011 7:43 PM, jimensign50@... wrote: > > I've considered converting to DC. I wish Flyer had done it 70 years > ago. BUT there's cost involved and I operate on a shoestring budget. > Jim E. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert" <danceswithwolves49@... > <mailto:danceswithwolves49%40hotmail.com>> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 4:39:03 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Adding motor to B Unit > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , > jimensign50@... wrote: > > > > Thanks for the info. I was considering switching out the e-unit to a > Dallee. I put a Dallee in a steamer and love it. > > Jim E. > > > I know I'm going to get a lot of flak on this but wouldn't it be > easier to just convert to DC or DCC? I know you flyer guys are a > diehard group but seems that reversing olocomotives would be a whole > lot less painful by not having to worry about those e-units > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63663	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit

Hi Jim, I can relate to that shoestring budget. I'm on VA improved pension and we just barely make $1200.00 per month. My wife was working when we first got married and only made $300.00 per month but she quit when the VA started taking $500.00 per month from my pension. It took a while but they finally made it square with us. as long as I'm on this pension we can't make anything extra otherwise they deduct from it. I can't even collect my Army retirement or Social Security. When I finally get the 100% then I can collect them and my wife can collect her Social Security as well. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: jimensign50@... Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 00:43:08 +0000 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Adding motor to B Unit I've considered converting to DC. I wish Flyer had done it 70 years ago. BUT there's cost involved and I operate on a shoestring budget. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert" <danceswithwolves49@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 4:39:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Adding motor to B Unit --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , jimensign50@... wrote: > > Thanks for the info. I was considering switching out the e-unit to a Dallee. I put a Dallee in a steamer and love it. > Jim E. > I know I'm going to get a lot of flak on this but wouldn't it be easier to just convert to DC or DCC? I know you flyer guys are a diehard group but seems that reversing olocomotives would be a whole lot less painful by not having to worry about those e-units [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63664	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: U.P. RR padlocks

If you are interested in railroad memorabilia items, I have 2 Union Pacific brass padlocks for sale. They both come with the original keys. On the front it says: J.H.W. Climax Co. Newark, N.J., and on the back it has U.P.1. The chains are not original, but look fine. If you have a display of railroad items they would look great with them. I am asking $30.00 each for them plus shipping. For pictures or more information contact me through my wife's email. Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63665	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit

Even though we often read of veterans in similar circumstances, I still find it both shameful and embarrassing that our country treats vets this way. It's far too commonplace. Thank you for your service and I hope things get better for you. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lampe" <danceswithwolves49@...> To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:14:29 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Adding motor to B Unit Hi Jim, I can relate to that shoestring budget. I'm on VA improved pension and we just barely make $1200.00 per month. My wife was working when we first got married and only made $300.00 per month but she quit when the VA started taking $500.00 per month from my pension. It took a while but they finally made it square with us. as long as I'm on this pension we can't make anything extra otherwise they deduct from it. I can't even collect my Army retirement or Social Security. When I finally get the 100% then I can collect them and my wife can collect her Social Security as well. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: jimensign50@... Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 00:43:08 +0000 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Adding motor to B Unit I've considered converting to DC. I wish Flyer had done it 70 years ago. BUT there's cost involved and I operate on a shoestring budget. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert" < danceswithwolves49@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 4:39:03 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Adding motor to B Unit --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , jimensign50@... wrote: > > Thanks for the info. I was considering switching out the e-unit to a Dallee. I put a Dallee in a steamer and love it. > Jim E. > I know I'm going to get a lot of flak on this but wouldn't it be easier to just convert to DC or DCC? I know you flyer guys are a diehard group but seems that reversing olocomotives would be a whole lot less painful by not having to worry about those e-units [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63666	From: Ernest Mendecke	Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Pullmor and Showcase Track

Scott, I too have a 336 Northern where the rubber pulmor tires finally let go and had to be replaced, as well as a 326 Hudson.I also removed the tires and replaced the rims with non pulmor rims. I use Showcase track (flex - glued down ) and I have no problems with traction on either of these engines. Actually , there is no real difference between these and other older engines as far as wheel slipping. I have run relatively long trains ( twenty or more modern cars )with rather heavy grades ( 3% ) and I can not spin the wheels until the engine is obviously overloaded, and even then there is no real spinning problem. I do not do this on a regular basis for fear of premature brush wear, but I have done so without any noticeable traction problems. There seems to be a major difference with Gargraves track though, but that was not your question.Your 336 should be able to easily pull your Geeps backwards arround the track - with or with out those rubber Pulmors. ( I did it once - without )I have a question for you. Did your repairman use the correct tires to replace the rims on your engine? There is a difference between years of production. 336 engines used different tires ( rims ) than the older 332's and 322's. Turn your engine on its back and check the front rims. There should be a double line on the back of the tire rim ( at least on mine ). The rear rims should also have this duel line. If not then you may have the wrong rim(s) on the back that may create a problem with the engine sitting level and perhaps traction. Another thing to look for is oil on the track. Showcase track needs to be wiped down frequently, Flyer also.Another point - my 322 SIT will slip before my 326 will, and my 320 hudson can not out pull a 307 plastic atlantic. Don't know why but that is one slippery engine whether it be original Flyer, GarGraves, or Showcase rails. So you asked :<my question is whether the showcase track would make that much of a difference when it comes to using pullmor or not? >Not much if any difference. My opinion is Pulmor tires are not needed on Showcase rails with die cast engines. <I know pullmor helps, but would the locomotives perform better on original flyer track?> Pulmors on flyer - probably <is a pullmor a relative nessecity when it comes to pulling trains>My opinion - Plastic engines Yes. Diecast - depends on the rail used ( Gargraves - definitely ) but my experience is no- Again my opinion.Hope this helps. Ernie Mennecke ********************************************************************************************************************************** Posted by: "Scott" scottmmiller1@... legodaylight4449 Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:35 am (PST) Hey, Before I jump to the question, I should probably fill in the background. Four months ago, I had my 336 Northern restored. However, the repairman removed the pullmor tire to fix the wobble, even though the reason the pullmor wobbled was because there was only half a tire. Anyways, he told me that large locomotives like my 322 SIT and the 336 did not need pullmor because of their weight. Well, lets just say that my 21168 Southern Casey can out pull my 336 a normal 21165 Erie Casey seems to have the same amount of traction as my 322. Now, as for loads, I have seen the Northern struggle with 5 plastic aluminum passenger cars (All heavily lubricated; its like they float now) and I have seen the northern struggle with 10 very light, easy rolling cars while the 21168, 21165, and most GP7's will still pull the same train. Now, my question is whether the showcase track would make that much of a difference when it comes to using pullmor or not? I know pullmor helps, but would the locomotives perform better on original flyer track and is a pullmor a relative nessecity when it comes to pulling trains? Thanks. Scott Miller Technician and Electrician of the Tampa Bay Toy Train Museum http://smodulators. com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63667	From: rick gough	Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit

Mine run just fine on good ole AC! rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63668	From: Brady	Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit

<< I would like to hear more about the Williams horn. Is it triggered by DC like an AM horn? Trying to figure out if it will work with TMCC. >> The Williams horn is triggered by DC, most transformers with whistle/horn buttons will activate it. It blows the crossing sequence (two longs/short/long). Williams sells a steam whistle board, it also blows the crossing sequence. Both boards have bells. http://www.westerndepot.com/index.php/cPath/21_503_265_364 I'm not familiar with the AM horn. There are (were?) third-party TMCC boards available that would activate boards that just had a horn or whistle (and a bell). If memory serves, the boards generated the positive or negative DC that would trigger them. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63669	From: tbennerohio	Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit

Thanks Brady. That is great information. I also found this sound clip on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X60JZUJTnWc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63670	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: Adding motor to B Unit

Does anyone have this DC conversion process written down or better yet, in pictures? I'm assuming you are just eliminating the old AF e-unit with the rectifier, but leaving in the original motor. Were there any AF motors that will not run on DC as well as AC? Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carey Probst" <s-scale@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 7:09:06 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Adding motor to B Unit Not much, last time I looked the full wave rectifier needed for DC was about $2.50 at Radio Shack, 1 per engine plus a little wiring skill and soldering. DCC is another cost story in itself. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 2/25/2011 7:43 PM, jimensign50@... wrote: > > I've considered converting to DC. I wish Flyer had done it 70 years > ago. BUT there's cost involved and I operate on a shoestring budget. > Jim E. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert" < danceswithwolves49@... > <mailto:danceswithwolves49%40hotmail.com>> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 4:39:03 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Adding motor to B Unit > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , > jimensign50@... wrote: > > > > Thanks for the info. I was considering switching out the e-unit to a > Dallee. I put a Dallee in a steamer and love it. > > Jim E. > > > I know I'm going to get a lot of flak on this but wouldn't it be > easier to just convert to DC or DCC? I know you flyer guys are a > diehard group but seems that reversing olocomotives would be a whole > lot less painful by not having to worry about those e-units > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63671	From: Ray Puls	Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: Pullmore and Showcase track

You will absolutely have better traction on the original Flyer steel track, the Showcase track is great track and really looks realistic but it is a brass nickel alloy. Brass is one fine bearing material and is used in the manufacture of sleeve bearings to this day. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63672	From: Ray Puls	Date: 2/26/2011
Subject: Re: adding motor to B-unit

If you want to change to dc power on a tight budget all you need is a couple of 6 amp rectifiers and a double pole double throw switch all of which you can get at Radio Shack for under $15.00. One rectifier in the wiring from your transformer to the dbl pole switch.then to the track, the second rectifier in your wiring in the locomotive. I think you may find the wiring diagram on Portlines Hobbies website. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63673	From: Bob A	Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: FOR SALE

just posted in the photos section a unique kit-bash. this was done by Vic Roseman for a magazine article sometime back (what i heard, no conformation of this). this station wound up on Larry Sokols layout many years ago, till he went O scale (blame me for that). station measures 29L x 8w x 6H. station has chandeliers that are lit. asking price for this $125.00 OBO.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63674	From: Bob Anson	Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: Re: FOR SALE

SOLD Bob Anson %~) ________________________________ From: Bob A <e2picasso@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 9:32:34 AM Subject: [S-Trains] FOR SALE just posted in the photos section a unique kit-bash. this was done by Vic Roseman for a magazine article sometime back (what i heard, no conformation of this). this station wound up on Larry Sokols layout many years ago, till he went O scale (blame me for that). station measures 29L x 8w x 6H. station has chandeliers that are lit. asking price for this $125.00 OBO. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63675	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: Re: FOR SALE

Dear Bob, FYI, from Vic yesterday... Don Dear Don: ....that could be either the express building I did for him or the kitbash of Plastiville banks made into a passenger station that looks a lot like Newark with two arcades, lighted chandaliers and a lot of nice details. That did appear in an article titled Welcome to Plasticville that appeared in Model Railroading. Someone can look up the date i they need to cause I have no idea when it was off hand. $175 is cheap cause the banks came to around $50-75 by themselves, and it is a really nice model. The REA depot was a whole bunch of City Classics walls and the structure was made up in three or four segments, fully detailed inside and out. Again, $175 is a bargain cause Larry was a good repeat customer- Today I might consult and do a design for a project like one of these for $175- In either case, someone will get a bargain. And you can tell them that. Thank you for thinking of me. Best wishes, Victor On Feb 27, 2011, at 12:38 PM, Bob Anson wrote: > SOLD > > Bob Anson %~) > > ________________________________ > From: Bob A <e2picasso@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 9:32:34 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] FOR SALE > > just posted in the photos section a unique kit-bash. this was done > by Vic > Roseman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63676	From: Eric	Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: FOR SALE - S Helper Cars

I found 4 S helper cars that I do not need. Frisco Box Car Brown with tan sides "Superior service" SL-SF 128046 SHS # 01135 (no Box) $45 Penn 2 bay Hopper Logo upper left Gray #257862 gray $40 with box Penn 2 bay Hopper lighter off white color center logo #257781 $40 with box Penn 2 bay Hopper lighter off white color center logo #257701 $40 with box all above are like new, but slightly used and or displayed with some dirt on them but no breakage or scratches at all. they have hy rail wheels and knuckle couplers. there are no scale couplers but I can put some on if you prefer them. I am looking for Burlington Northern green 2 bay hoppers in trade or to buy. I also need american models wheel sets specifically for the Budd cars (hi-rail) need 8 wheel/axle sets. round axle ends and large plastic center axle. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa.98028 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63677	From: Bob Anson	Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: Re: FOR SALE

thanks for the info Don. Bob Anson %~) ________________________________ From: Don Thompson <don@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 1:05:42 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] FOR SALE Dear Bob, FYI, from Vic yesterday... Don Dear Don: ....that could be either the express building I did for him or the kitbash of Plastiville banks made into a passenger station that looks a lot like Newark with two arcades, lighted chandaliers and a lot of nice details. That did appear in an article titled Welcome to Plasticville that appeared in Model Railroading. Someone can look up the date i they need to cause I have no idea when it was off hand. $175 is cheap cause the banks came to around $50-75 by themselves, and it is a really nice model. The REA depot was a whole bunch of City Classics walls and the structure was made up in three or four segments, fully detailed inside and out. Again, $175 is a bargain cause Larry was a good repeat customer- Today I might consult and do a design for a project like one of these for $175- In either case, someone will get a bargain. And you can tell them that. Thank you for thinking of me. Best wishes, Victor On Feb 27, 2011, at 12:38 PM, Bob Anson wrote: > SOLD > > Bob Anson %~) > > ________________________________ > From: Bob A <e2picasso@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 9:32:34 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] FOR SALE > > just posted in the photos section a unique kit-bash. this was done > by Vic > Roseman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63678	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 2/27/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday February 27, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63679	From: Ken	Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

I think the patient is going to live. This brings up another question, how can I secure a loose rim on my recuperating 307 engine. The wheel runs true but the rim wobbles all over the place. Ken Christiansen Broker Associate 551 N. Mulford Rd. Rockford, IL 61107 Cell: 815-218-3957 email: <mailto:klchris@...> klchris@... efax: 815-231-8032 Web: <http://www.starckrealtors.com/> www.starckrealtors.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63680	From: Michael.McConnell	Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: South Jersey S Gaugers "Switching" siding.

Don, During the construction of our layout, we thought of a solution that would allow a switching siding to be used while the mainline it was connected to was in operation. One of our members discovered a Radio Control system (I believe it is used by garden railroaders). It has limited power but we didn't need much as we only wanted to control one engine for an 8 - 10 foot section. The beauty of this system is that any DC engine can be used on it. Nothing on the engine needs to be modified. The only thing needed to be done was to put a break or gap in the connecting track from the layout so there would be no power issues. The RC unit is powered as a separate entity from a cheap Tyco transformer, which is then wired into the track. The hand held controller is powered by a 9 volt battery. This enables us to control 2 switch tracks that service a Texaco fuel oil depot, a Morse Cement Plant complex , the siding by a derelict factory and a chemical/ashfault plant. This can all be control for a distance of 5-20 feet away. The only caveat is that the switches are manually controlled. Hope this helps. ________________________________________________________________________ 3a. Re: South Jersey S Gauger's layout display Posted by: "Don & Marsha Munsey Jr" dmunseyjr@... bigswede073 Date: Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:14 am ((PST)) Hank, Can you give some more details about the radio controlled portion of the layout? THNX, Don Munsey, Jr Sn42 & Hn16 river logging fan living in the Upper Right Corner of Louisiana USA On 2/21/2011 9:19 PM, Michael.McConnell wrote: > > The South Jersey S Gaugers will be displaying our S Gauge layout at The > World's Greatest Hobby Show on Tour at the NJ Expo Center in Edison, > NJ on > Feb. 26, 10 am to 6 pm, and Feb. 27, 10 am to 5 pm. We're quite proud of > our highly detailed 12' X 26', three level, high-rail sectional layout > that > includes many original and reproduction animated accessories. The three > loops of mainline and a Radio-controlled short-rail line gives plenty of > action to keep everyone's attention. > > The NASG and Hoquat Hobbies are some of the many vendors who will be > present, along with at least 12 other layouts of all gauges for your > viewing pleasure at this 125,000 square foot venue. Hopefully Lionel will > be displaying their newest "S" offerings as well. > > If you make it to the show, please stop by and say Hi to the "S" crew. > > Hank Worrell > South Jersey S Gaugers, Inc. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63681	From: charlie and edith	Date: 2/27/2011
Subject: Accessory Question

Greetings! Included with some Flyer I purchased was a Lionel "Crossing Guard", a fellow with a lantern that comes out of an opening door in a shanty. Is there a way to wire this into our Flyer Layout, perhaps with a Flyer pressure trip? I looks like something the Grandchildren might enjoy. Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie in West Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63682	From: Robert Graves	Date: 2/28/2011
Subject: LotS of S for Sale

I am selling a huge estate collection for a widow in Florida and her daughter. For reference purposes, I show 2010 Greenberg book values (adjusted for condition), but these should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer they can't refuse! Please include your address so I can calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total. Pictures available on request. Whenever you find American Flyer items for sale, you can learn what they are, what they should look like, and when they were made by checking my website, TheGilbertGallery.org. The site lists all S-Scale American Flyer engines, cars, and accessories made by A.C.Gilbert from 1946-1967 and by Lionel from 1979 to present. There are pictures of most items. Hard-to-find and rare items are identified as such. I hope you will visit the site and that you find it useful and enjoyable. Steam Locomotives 21165 Erie locomotive. Runs and reverses just great. Its knuckle coupler is frozen in the closed position. Locomotive is C-7; scratches on the tender pull it down to C-6, Very Good. $15 I also have a box of other engines that I have yet to go through and evaluate. Boxcars 633 red unpainted boxcar on diecast frame. Has all four steps and brake wheel. Both catwalk ends are intact. Lettering and finish on car body are like new except for a couple of scratches; a beautiful car! Original gold weight link couplers. Missing door latch on one side. Rust on one side of one truck. Car is otherwise a strong C-7. $30 633 red unpainted boxcar on diecast frame. Has all four steps and brake wheel. Both catwalk ends are intact. Lettering and finish on car body are excellent. Original 1946 weightless link couplers with patent number. Missing door latch on one side. No rust on trucks; some on door glides. This car has the typical warped roof of these 1946 boxcars and three cracks in one side . C-4. $4 639 yellow painted boxcar. A little dirty, but the paint finish is nice; only a little playwear on high spots and edges. Near-perfect lettering; just some light scratches. Both black-weight link couplers are complete and work well. Dirty wheels. A few small rust spots on trucks, frame, and pins that hold the body on the frame. One catwalk end has one corner chipped off. C-6 $10 642 red painted boxcar. Both catwalk ends are intact. Lettering and finish on car body are very good; scattered spots of playwear on high spots show the underlying cream colored plastic. A little rust under the trucks on the frame. C-6. $17 970 Seaboard Walking Brakeman boxcar. Paint finish and lettering are very good. Both knuckle couplers are complete and work fine. No rust anywhere. One catwalk end is broken off. A couple of scratches and dings in body; some playqear in high spots. Stickers are complete but faded. Brake wheel is missing. Vibrator works well, but brakeman and his carrier base are missing. $40 Lionel Frisco double-door boxcar 6014. A little dirty but will clean to a strong VG; no significant scratches. Catwalk ends intact. No rust on frame. No trucks. This is the style boxcar that is the same size as an American Flyer boxcar; people often put Flyer trucks on them. $8 Cabooses eleven 630 cabooses in varying condition Two 638 unpainted cabooses. Very clean. Lettering and finish are almost link new; a beautiful car! Original black-weight link couplers are complete and work well. Both catwalk ends are intact. No rust. Ex $14 638 unpainted caboose. Very dirty. Converted to knuckle couplers; one broken. Broken catwalk ends and two corners. Good $5 638 painted caboose. Perfect catwalk. Two steps missing. Very dirty. Broken rear coupler. Good +$6 638 – five more in varying condition, plus one body without frame or trucks. 806 unpainted caboose kitbashed to replace the cupola with a painted one from a bay window caboose. No broken steps. Both knuckle couplers are complete and work fine. One catwalk end is broken off. Scratches and dings in body. Rust on railings and one coupler weight. C-4/C-5 $7 806 unpainted caboose #2. No broken steps. Both knuckle couplers are complete and work fine. Catwalk ends are intact. No rust. Will clean to Ex- $10 806 unpainted caboose #3. No broken steps. Both knuckle couplers are complete and work fine. Catwalk ends are intact. No rust. Will clean to Ex- $10 806 unpainted caboose #4. No broken steps. Both knuckle couplers are complete and work fine. One catwalk end is broken off. Broken roof corner has been glued. No rust. $5 806 unpainted caboose #5. No broken steps. One broken knuckle coupler; other works fine. One catwalk end is broken off. No rust. Will clean to VG. $5 806 unpainted caboose #6. No broken steps. Both knuckle couplers are complete and work fine. One catwalk end is broken off. No rust. VG $9 806 unpainted caboose kitbashed to replace the cupola with a painted one from a bay window caboose. No broken steps. Both knuckle couplers are complete and work fine. One catwalk end is broken off. Scratches and dings in body. Rust on railings and one coupler weight. C-4/C-5 $7 930 Tuscan AF caboose. Lettering is excellent. Paint finish near excellent; needs cleaning. Catwalk ends intact. One broken step. Both knuckle couplers are complete and work fine. No rust. Railings tarnished. Ex-. $29 930 Tuscan AF caboose. Lettering and paint finish are excellent. Playwear reveals black plastic on bottom steps. One catwalk ends is cracked but still there. No broken steps. Both knuckle couplers are complete and work fine. No rust. Ex-. $30 24626 yellow & silver caboose. Has all four steps and unbroken catwalk. Couplers and trucks are fine. A number of paint scrapes. Good+ $14 24630 red unpainted caboose, not illuminated, single solid knuckle coupler. Has all four steps and unbroken catwalk. Ex- $15 24630 red unpainted caboose, not illuminated, two Pikemaster couplers. Has all four steps and unbroken catwalk. VG+ $12 24636 red unpainted caboose, not illuminated, single-coupler, late large-letter version. Has all four steps and unbroken catwalk. Top and one side are strong C-6. The other side would be too, except that there is a 1-1/2 inch crack along the bottom edge which I Super-Glued to prevent it from breaking off. One sideframe of the Pikemaster coupler truck was broken off; I Super-Glued it and it's holding. $6 24636 red unpainted caboose, not illuminated, two Pikemaster couplers, late large-letter version. Has all four steps and unbroken catwalk. Ex- $6 Flatcars 628 diecast flatcar with log load. Lettering and finish on car body are near excellent. All four steps are intact. Original 1946 weightless link couplers with patent number. No rust. Has brake wheel post but brake wheel is missing. VG+ $28 628 diecast flatcar with log load. Lettering and finish on car body are excellent. All four steps and brake wheel are intact. Original black weight link couplers. No rust. Ex- $31 Floodlight Cars 646 Erie Floodlight Car with dark green unpainted plastic generator. The paint on the frame is in excellent condition, with virtually no play wear, just a little dirt. There are a few small scratches on the silver floodlight housing. Both original black-weight link couplers are complete and work well. It has all four steps, one brake wheel, and all six wheelsets. The floodlight lens is missing and its wire is broken. VG- $28 946 Erie Floodlight Car with red painted plastic generator. The paint on the frame is in very good condition, with virtually no play wear, just dirt and a few small scratches. There are significant scratches on the silver floodlight housing and playwear on the generator. It has all four steps, both brake wheels, and the floodlight lens, One wheelset is missing. One coupler is frozen in the closed position; the other operates stiffly and opens only with assistance. The lettering is excellent \except for a little nick in the bottom of the I on one side. There is some rust inside the trucks where you can't see it when the car is on the tracks. The lamp doesn't light, though both it and the car wiring test ok on my continuity checker. Good+/VG- $20 Gondolas unpainted green 631 T&P gondola. Ex $17 631 T&P gondola with 1946 coupler with patent number and all four steps, one bent. Excellent lettering. No rust. Has lots of the classic Gilbert white stuff but will clean to VG+. $10 805 PRR gondola. Ex $16 911 C&O Gondola with all six pipes but broken holders. Otherwise Ex. $25 two 920 Southern gondolas. Ex $29 920 Southern gondola. Specs of dirt; I easily cleaned off a few; you should be able to clean it to Ex. Ex- $27 920 Southern gondola. Ex but white paint splotches on one side. $20 941 Frisco gondola. Ex $22 24110 PRR gondola. Ex- $16 Hopper cars 632 LNE unpainted black hopper with 1946 link couplers. Faded lettering and no steps. Early version with no journal boxes. Normal warping. $5 632 LNE unpainted black hopper with 1946 link couplers and strong lettering, but no steps. One missing link coupler. Normal warping. $5 632 LNE unpainted gray hopper with gold weight link couplers. All lettering is faded out; only a shadow remains visible in reflected light. One step is broken off. $3 632 LNE unpainted gray hopper with gold weight link couplers and all four steps. All lettering is faded out; only a shadow remains visible in reflected light. $4 632 LNE unpainted gray hopper with gold weight link couplers. All lettering is strong. Half of one step is missing. Will clean to Ex-. $8 632 LNE unpainted gray hopper with gold weight link couplers. Lettering is fairly strong. No steps are missing. Small chip out of the top of the rim on one side. Will clean to VG+. $7 640 hopper with black lettering and black weight link couplers. One step has its tip broken off. $10 640 hopper with white lettering and black weight link couplers. No missing steps. $10 801 B&O hopper with two broken steps, one on each side, and a broken crossbar. Lettering is unusually bright and thick; may be relettered. Has some rust colored paint on one side of both trucks. VG? $8 940 Wabash hopper with all four steps. Lettering is perfect. Body will clean to Ex. $34 940 Wabash hopper with all four steps. Lettering is perfect. Body will clean to Ex- if not Ex. $33 940 Wabash hopper with all four steps. Lettering is perfect. Body will clean to Ex. Both couplers are broken. $25 One add-in coal load (black) and four gravel loads (gray) for the above two-bay hoppers. $3 each Tank cars 625 silver Shell tank car #2 with two good black weight couplers, all handrail nibs, and all four steps. Lettering is excellent. Clean. Small paint splotch of blue-gray paint on tank and another on frame. Otherwise strong VG $15 625 silver Shell tank car #3 with two good black weight couplers, all handrail nibs, and all four steps. It looks like two handrail nibs were molded wrong at the factory. Lettering is excellent. Scattered scratches and discoloration in the tank paint. Clean. VG $17 925 Gulf tank car on plastic frame. Both Gulf stickers complete but aged. Has brake wheel and both diamond markers. Spot of red paint on top. Scattered scratches and discoloration in the tank paint. No broken steps. One knuckle coupler is sticky and usually doesn't pop open without a little help. No broken handrail nibs. VG- $20 925 Gulf tank car on plastic frame. Both Gulf stickers complete but aged; one has a little ding. Has brake wheel and both diamond markers. Scattered scratches in the tank paint. Two broken steps. Both knuckle couplers work fine. No broken handrail nibs. VG- $15 925 Gulf tank car on diecast frame. Has all four steps and all handrail nibs. Both couplers work. Gulf stickers are complete. Some scratches and paint scuffs. G+/VG- $20 Hand Cars 740 Handcar without vent holes. One AFL flag decal is missing the center section and the word Flyer. The other decal is totally gone. Both lanterns are missing; available from parts houses. One man has lost significant paint and is mostly black. There is rust on the pumping handle. Three platform corner fingers are missing. It doesn't run; needs cleaning and lubrication. Fair $20 740 Handcar with vent holes. AFL flag decals have small spots that have flaked off. One lantern is missing; available from parts houses. Both men have lost significant paint and are mostly black. There is rust on the pumping handle. One platform corner finger is missing. It runs haltingly; needs cleaning and lubrication. Fair+/Good- $15 740 Handcar body with vent holes (no motor, wheels, etc.). AFL flag decals have small spots that have flaked off. Both lanterns are missing; available from parts houses. Both men have lost significant paint and are mostly black. There is rust on the pumping handle. One platform corner finger is missing. $7 I have the following club convention cars coming from a collector who is thinning his collection. Club convention cars like this tend to hold their value and are highly collectible; in my experience, they usually sell at or above Greenberg book value on ebay. All are in their original boxes, most with outer shipping box, Like New or Mint. For reference purposes, I show 2010 Greenberg book values for Mint condition cars. Make offer. 48205 NASG 1997 PFE reefer $52 Two 48211 NASG 1998 Magnolia tank cars $60 each 48214 NASG 1999 GN caboose $60 Two 48222 TTOS 2000 British Columbia tank cars $70 each 48231 TTOS 2003 Linde boxcar $11052095 NASG 1996 Mobilgas tank car $85 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63683	From: aztecfan	Date: 2/28/2011
Subject: AF Standard Gauge Red Station

Just wondering if this Station was closer to S. How was the detail. Could we copy one and reproduce it in S. I think that would be a fun project. It looks nice, but I have not seen a real one up close. Thanks Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63684	From: zemouse2001	Date: 2/28/2011
Subject: Re: Accessory Question

Regarding using Lionel crossing gate on your Flyer layout - no problem - you just need to (as you noted) provide a 'switch' to route the transformer voltage (or track voltage) to the gateman when the train is in the vicinity. Lionel accessories generally use the same operating voltage and type (i.e. 6 to 16 VAC) as normal AF. Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Missouri

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63685	From: roninscho9	Date: 2/28/2011
Subject: Re: Pullmor and Showcase Track

The now absent tire is only a part of this problem, The metal tires were made in 2 sizes , the plain wheel is of a larger diameter and the pullmor wheel was made smaller so that all would be the same size after the rubber tire was applied , this engine now has 2 different wheel diameters , check with a calipper & you will see what I mean , because of this You will always have 1 set of wheels slipping due to not being the same size and turning at the same speed , The fix is as stated before get a set of pullmor wheels for the 336 or even plain wheels will be O-K ( not easy to do ) or use the replacement tires from Portlines

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63686	From: Timboy	Date: 2/28/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Hi Everyone! I have a post on my blog dedicated to the rehab of a basket-case Silver Bullet. I'm pleased with the results so far. Still some more to do, but I took a few pics of where it stands right now. There is also a show & tell of how I did the rehab. http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy, The American Flyer Nerd

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63687	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 2/28/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Looks pretty good. Almost like brand new. Bob To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: timstrains2000@... Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:04:44 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Building a large AF layout Hi Everyone! I have a post on my blog dedicated to the rehab of a basket-case Silver Bullet. I'm pleased with the results so far. Still some more to do, but I took a few pics of where it stands right now. There is also a show & tell of how I did the rehab. http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy, The American Flyer Nerd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63688	From: Scott	Date: 2/28/2011
Subject: Seuthe Smoke Units and Flyer

Hey, Has anyone installed Seuthe smoke units into Flyer locomotives? I was considering trying a unit and wanted to know if anyone had any tips or suggestions before I go about installing it. I will be putting the unit into a Franklin since its last unit burned up. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63689	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 2/28/2011
Subject: Re: South Jersey S Gauger's layout display

I attended the show Saturday and could not believe the size of the crowd. They were parking close to 1/2 mile away on Raritan Center Pkwy and walking in. Lionel had no S on display at all, very disappointing. One nice thing I noted was the size of the crowd around the SJSG layout. It seemed to always have a bigger crowd around it than any of the other operating displays. the club members were all great to talk to and very helpful in answering questions. Great ambassadors for S   Bob --- On Mon, 2/21/11, Michael.McConnell <msmcconn@...> wrote: From: Michael.McConnell <msmcconn@...> Subject: [S-Trains] South Jersey S Gauger's layout display To: "Trains Mail List" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, February 21, 2011, 10:19 PM   The South Jersey S Gaugers will be displaying our S Gauge layout at The World's Greatest Hobby Show on Tour at the NJ Expo Center in Edison, NJ on Feb. 26, 10 am to 6 pm, and Feb. 27, 10 am to 5 pm. We're quite proud of our highly detailed 12' X 26', three level, high-rail sectional layout that includes many original and reproduction animated accessories. The three loops of mainline and a Radio-controlled short-rail line gives plenty of action to keep everyone's attention. The NASG and Hoquat Hobbies are some of the many vendors who will be present, along with at least 12 other layouts of all gauges for your viewing pleasure at this 125,000 square foot venue. Hopefully Lionel will be displaying their newest "S" offerings as well. If you make it to the show, please stop by and say Hi to the "S" crew. Hank Worrell South Jersey S Gaugers, Inc. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63690	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2011
Subject: 24558 CP Flat for sale L/N

I have a beautiful CP flat car (59-60) for sale. Original trees, and in Like new condition. Will sell for less than Greenberg 2011 book price for excellent. Contact me off list. 208-376-1159 Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63691	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 2/28/2011
Subject: Free S Scale scale/scalehouse kit

http://www.clevermodels.net/freebies/ Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63692	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2011
Subject: Re: Seuthe Smoke Units and Flyer

Why not replace the original??? Steve In a message dated 2/28/2011 3:15:15 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, scottmmiller1@... writes: Hey, Has anyone installed Seuthe smoke units into Flyer locomotives? I was considering trying a unit and wanted to know if anyone had any tips or suggestions before I go about installing it. I will be putting the unit into a Franklin since its last unit burned up. Scott [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63693	From: Dale Smith	Date: 2/28/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

Maybe I missed it but I couldn't find any description of how you refinished the shells. What type of paint did you use and how did you prepare the shells? Was it a chromed shell? The tender looked like a 354, but the loco looked like it had peeling chrome. (By the way, did the 354 come with pick up shoes? My 356 did not and I thought that was used mostly to improve contact on loco's with whistles.) You mentioned a clear coat and I wold be interested in more details on the painting. Thanks Dale On 2/28/2011 10:04 AM, Timboy wrote: > > Hi Everyone! > > I have a post on my blog dedicated to the rehab of a basket-case > Silver Bullet. I'm pleased with the results so far. Still some more to > do, but I took a few pics of where it stands right now. There is also > a show & tell of how I did the rehab. > > http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ > > Regards, > > Timboy, The American Flyer Nerd > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63694	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 2/28/2011
Subject: Re: Seuthe smoke units & Flyer

You CAN do it, but there will be problems. You can use the small HO size Seuthe unit which will require minimal modification to the straight part of the stack. Unfortunately smoke production is poor and the unit burns up easily. The larger S/O gauge Seuthe unit will require making a new straight section of stack between boiler and the "balloon" top to contain the diameter of a Seuthe unit. In either case you'll have to regulate the voltage as the Seuthe units are not made to run on the higher toy train voltages. These "cup and center element" smoke units are picky about the level of smoke fluid required to work well, and burn up quickly if run out of fluid. The best of the cup and element types are inferior to the regular Gilbert ones in smoke production and durability. I agree with Steve, fix or rebuild the original. Stumpy Stone...rebuilder and cutomizer of many junk box locos.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63695	From: Timboy	Date: 2/28/2011
Subject: Re: Building a large AF layout

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > Maybe I missed it but I couldn't find any description of how you > refinished the shells. What type of paint did you use and how did you > prepare the shells? Was it a chromed shell? The tender looked like a > 354, but the loco looked like it had peeling chrome. (By the way, did > the 354 come with pick up shoes? My 356 did not and I thought that was > used mostly to improve contact on loco's with whistles.) You mentioned > a clear coat and I wold be interested in more details on the painting. > > Thanks > > Dale Hi Dale, I forgot to include painting comments on my blog. My bad. To prepare the shells, I sanded them down with fine sandpaper, then ultra-fine Emory cloth to where the remaining paint was on tight and the shells were smooth. I really didn't sand much, if any, over rivets and other details for the obvious reason. They were painted shells, not chromed - so I figured I could get away with that procedure one time. A few days ago, I painted the shells. I used Rustoleum Bright Coat Metalic Finish over top of some Rustoleum grey auto primer. The metalic paint was tricky to use. I carefully held the shells in a vertical position and made multiple light passes with dry time in between. I was careful to spray the paint onto the shells, rather than letting the sprayed paint fall on the shells. That would have produced tiny droplets. I let the shells dry for a minimum of 48 hours. Then I applied the decals. I let them dry for a few hours and started giving the shells multiple coats of a Polyscale satin sealer. The result is very good. Not award-winning or factory finish, but very good considering how beat the piece was to begin with. This loco did not come with any kind of sliding shoes. I require all locos on my roster to have enhanced electrical pickup. So if they were not manufactured that way, then I make the modification. They all run so much better with sliders of some type. Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63696	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: Free S Scale scale/scalehouse kit

Thanks Brady. That is a nice looking paper kit. I printed it on heavy paper. Tomorrow I will spray some clear coat. Wednesday, I'll take a stab at building it. I plan to post a photo. Some years back, I organized a paper model building project in the SunShine Region of the NMRA. So many of my colleagues down here complain about the high cost of stuff and I thought it would be a treat if we all built up some simple models of company houses. Anyone with a mine on the layout can use several. There were no takers - not one person other than me built the thing. My hope is that you will start something in which we can all share. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brady Burdge Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 5:57 PM To: S-Trains Mailing List Subject: [S-Trains] Free S Scale scale/scalehouse kit http://www.clevermodels.net/freebies/ Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63697	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: Seuthe Smoke Units and Flyer

A lot of work, with disappointing results, considering you can replace the element in the original unit for only $2.00 ! One of the keys to the repair is to make sure you surround the internal element with some loose wick material to absorb and hold fluid near the element. It is not unusual to open those units and find NO wick material at all ! <<<Has anyone installed Seuthe smoke units into Flyer locomotives? I was considering trying a unit and wanted to know if anyone had any tips or suggestions before I go about installing it. I will be putting the unit into a Franklin since its last unit burned up. >>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com www.flyerparts.com <http://www.flyerparts.com/> www.sgaugetrains.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63698	From: Scott	Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: Pullmor and Showcase Track

No, both sides of pullmor have been removed. The problem you mentioned did exist at first, but instead of replacing the tire, my repairman felt it neccesary to just cut both off. I am trying cleaning wheels and track and leveling any grades, but I am getting used to double heading my 336 with a GP7. Scott --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "roninscho9" <roninscho@...> wrote: > > > > The now absent tire is only a part of this problem, The metal tires were made in 2 sizes , the plain wheel is of a larger diameter and the pullmor wheel was made smaller so that all would be the same size after the rubber tire was applied , this engine now has 2 different wheel diameters , check with a calipper & you will see what I mean , because of this You will always have 1 set of wheels slipping due to not being the same size and turning at the same speed , The fix is as stated before get a set of pullmor wheels for the 336 or even plain wheels will be O-K ( not easy to do ) or use the replacement tires from Portlines >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63699	From: Scott	Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: Seuthe smoke units & Flyer

I was looking solely at cost. The old unit, when removed, fell apart. Thus, it cannot be refurbished and a new unit costs 40 while a seuthe costs around 30. The Franklin engine I would be adding it to is a junker, with most of it held together with JB Weld (its owners preference). If seuthe are too troublesome, anf if someone can find me a cheap Franklin unit, I would happily switch to a new Flyer unit. However, if someone wants to try and fix the old unit, go ahead. Scott --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > You CAN do it, but there will be problems. You can use the small HO size Seuthe unit which will require minimal modification to the straight part of the stack. Unfortunately smoke production is poor and the unit burns up easily. > The larger S/O gauge Seuthe unit will require making a new straight section of stack between boiler and the "balloon" top to contain the diameter of a Seuthe unit. > In either case you'll have to regulate the voltage as the Seuthe units are not made to run on the higher toy train voltages. These "cup and center element" smoke units are picky about the level of smoke fluid required to work well, and burn up quickly if run out of fluid. > The best of the cup and element types are inferior to the regular Gilbert ones in smoke production and durability. > I agree with Steve, fix or rebuild the original. > Stumpy Stone...rebuilder and cutomizer of many junk box locos. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63700	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: Pullmor and Showcase Track

you still have the problem , because the non pullmor wheels are a larger diameter than the pullmor wheels now that the tires have beem removed , the front drivers are not turning at the same speed as the rear drivers ----- Original Message ----- The now absent tire is only a part of this problem, The metal tires were made in 2 sizes , the plain wheel is of a larger diameter and the pullmor wheel was made smaller so that all would be the same size after the rubber tire was applied , this engine now has 2 different wheel diameters , check with a calipper & you will see what I mean , because of this You will always have 1 set of wheels slipping due to not being the same size and turning at the same speed , The fix is as stated before get a set of pullmor wheels for the 336 or even plain wheels will be O-K ( not easy to do ) or use the replacement tires from Portlines > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63701	From: Bob A	Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: FOR SALE items

just posted in the photos, section 5 items...all 5 to be sold in 1 lot. i am in O scale and got this in trade. $125.00 +postage. Bob Anson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63702	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: Seuthe smoke units & Flyer

You would be better off buying $30.00 worth of cigars then a Seuthe unit. I would think the Franklin smoke unit would be repairable even in parts. Is there an S group near you ? I would check out portlines. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Scott" <scottmmiller1@...> Sender: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 12:49:14 To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Seuthe smoke units & Flyer I was looking solely at cost. The old unit, when removed, fell apart. Thus, it cannot be refurbished and a new unit costs 40 while a seuthe costs around 30. The Franklin engine I would be adding it to is a junker, with most of it held together with JB Weld (its owners preference). If seuthe are too troublesome, anf if someone can find me a cheap Franklin unit, I would happily switch to a new Flyer unit. However, if someone wants to try and fix the old unit, go ahead. Scott --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > You CAN do it, but there will be problems. You can use the small HO size Seuthe unit which will require minimal modification to the straight part of the stack. Unfortunately smoke production is poor and the unit burns up easily. > The larger S/O gauge Seuthe unit will require making a new straight section of stack between boiler and the "balloon" top to contain the diameter of a Seuthe unit. > In either case you'll have to regulate the voltage as the Seuthe units are not made to run on the higher toy train voltages. These "cup and center element" smoke units are picky about the level of smoke fluid required to work well, and burn up quickly if run out of fluid. > The best of the cup and element types are inferior to the regular Gilbert ones in smoke production and durability. > I agree with Steve, fix or rebuild the original. > Stumpy Stone...rebuilder and cutomizer of many junk box locos. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63703	From: Scott	Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: Seuthe Smoke Units and Flyer

Doug, How do I go about opening the unit and replacing the element and wick? I do not know how to do this on any Flyer unit, so if someone could provide me with steps, it would be greatly appreciated. Scott --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > A lot of work, with disappointing results, considering you can replace > the element in the original unit for only $2.00 ! > > One of the keys to the repair is to make sure you surround the internal > element with some loose wick material to absorb and hold fluid near the > element. > > It is not unusual to open those units and find NO wick material at all ! > > > > <<<Has anyone installed Seuthe smoke units into Flyer locomotives? I was > > considering trying a unit and wanted to know if anyone had any tips or > suggestions before I go about installing it. I will be putting the unit > into a > Franklin since its last unit burned up. >>> > > > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > doug@... > www.portlines.com > www.flyerparts.com <http://www.flyerparts.com/> > www.sgaugetrains.com > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63704	From: Scott	Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: Pullmor and Showcase Track

Oh, now I understand. I will look into this.Are there kits that are sold that include everything needed for replacing both tires? Scott --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Inscho" <roninscho@...> wrote: > > you still have the problem , because the non pullmor wheels are a larger diameter than the pullmor wheels now that the tires have beem removed , the front drivers are not turning at the same speed as the rear drivers > ----- Original Message ----- > The now absent tire is only a part of this problem, The metal tires were made in 2 sizes , the plain wheel is of a larger diameter and the pullmor wheel was made smaller so that all would be the same size after the rubber tire was applied , this engine now has 2 different wheel diameters , check with a calipper & you will see what I mean , because of this You will always have 1 set of wheels slipping due to not being the same size and turning at the same speed , The fix is as stated before get a set of pullmor wheels for the 336 or even plain wheels will be O-K ( not easy to do ) or use the replacement tires from Portlines > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63705	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: Pullmor and Showcase Track

Yes kits are avalible to that , from portlines & others on this list ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 2:11 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Pullmor and Showcase Track Oh, now I understand. I will look into this.Are there kits that are sold that include everything needed for replacing both tires? Scott --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Inscho" <roninscho@...> wrote: > > you still have the problem , because the non pullmor wheels are a larger diameter than the pullmor wheels now that the tires have beem removed , the front drivers are not turning at the same speed as the rear drivers > ----- Original Message ----- > The now absent tire is only a part of this problem, The metal tires were made in 2 sizes , the plain wheel is of a larger diameter and the pullmor wheel was made smaller so that all would be the same size after the rubber tire was applied , this engine now has 2 different wheel diameters , check with a calipper & you will see what I mean , because of this You will always have 1 set of wheels slipping due to not being the same size and turning at the same speed , The fix is as stated before get a set of pullmor wheels for the 336 or even plain wheels will be O-K ( not easy to do ) or use the replacement tires from Portlines > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63706	From: Scott	Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: Seuthe smoke units & Flyer

I am a member of the S-modulators, the head group of the Tampa Bay Toy Train Museum. I have done exstensive research, and the only two units that I found were either 30 bucks plus the burned out unit or 40 bucks for a new unit. After seeing videos of Seuthe units, I thought that it might be a better alternative. However, due to the poor reviews that I have received from the yahoo group and the president of my club, I have chosen to go against it and look into other alternatives. However, if there is a way to fix the unit, please contact me at scottmmiller1@... so that I can go about repairing the unit. I want to thank all who have taken the time to read and respond to my question. All answers are greatly appreciated. Scott --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, femiro2002@... wrote: > > You would be better off buying $30.00 worth of cigars then a Seuthe unit. I would think the Franklin smoke unit would be repairable even in parts. > Is there an S group near you ? I would check out portlines. > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Scott" <scottmmiller1@...> > Sender: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 12:49:14 > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Seuthe smoke units & Flyer > > I was looking solely at cost. The old unit, when removed, fell apart. Thus, it cannot be refurbished and a new unit costs 40 while a seuthe costs around 30. The Franklin engine I would be adding it to is a junker, with most of it held together with JB Weld (its owners preference). If seuthe are too troublesome, anf if someone can find me a cheap Franklin unit, I would happily switch to a new Flyer unit. However, if someone wants to try and fix the old unit, go ahead. > > Scott > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@> wrote: > > > > You CAN do it, but there will be problems. You can use the small HO size Seuthe unit which will require minimal modification to the straight part of the stack. Unfortunately smoke production is poor and the unit burns up easily. > > The larger S/O gauge Seuthe unit will require making a new straight section of stack between boiler and the "balloon" top to contain the diameter of a Seuthe unit. > > In either case you'll have to regulate the voltage as the Seuthe units are not made to run on the higher toy train voltages. These "cup and center element" smoke units are picky about the level of smoke fluid required to work well, and burn up quickly if run out of fluid. > > The best of the cup and element types are inferior to the regular Gilbert ones in smoke production and durability. > > I agree with Steve, fix or rebuild the original. > > Stumpy Stone...rebuilder and cutomizer of many junk box locos. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63707	From: Scott	Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: Pullmor and Showcase Track

After further research, I have come across a product called Bullfrog snot. Does anyone have experience using the product or is it something I can live without? Scott --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <scottmmiller1@...> wrote: > > Oh, now I understand. I will look into this.Are there kits that are sold that include everything needed for replacing both tires? > > Scott > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Inscho" <roninscho@> wrote: > > > > you still have the problem , because the non pullmor wheels are a larger diameter than the pullmor wheels now that the tires have beem removed , the front drivers are not turning at the same speed as the rear drivers > > ----- Original Message ----- > > The now absent tire is only a part of this problem, The metal tires were made in 2 sizes , the plain wheel is of a larger diameter and the pullmor wheel was made smaller so that all would be the same size after the rubber tire was applied , this engine now has 2 different wheel diameters , check with a calipper & you will see what I mean , because of this You will always have 1 set of wheels slipping due to not being the same size and turning at the same speed , The fix is as stated before get a set of pullmor wheels for the 336 or even plain wheels will be O-K ( not easy to do ) or use the replacement tires from Portlines > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63708	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Franklin Smoke unit

I have an original Gilbert Old Timer smoke unit for $20 plus $3 shipping if you want it. I assume you have the piston, drive rod, and filler tube for it. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 3/1/2011 9:01:54 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, scottmmiller1@... writes: I was looking solely at cost. The old unit, when removed, fell apart. Thus, it cannot be refurbished and a new unit costs 40 while a seuthe costs around 30. The Franklin engine I would be adding it to is a junker, with most of it held together with JB Weld (its owners preference). If seuthe are too troublesome, anf if someone can find me a cheap Franklin unit, I would happily switch to a new Flyer unit. However, if someone wants to try and fix the old unit, go ahead. Scott [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63709	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/1/2011
Subject: Re: Pullmor and Showcase Track

I think Ron hit on the root of the problem. I would bet if you took off the side rods, you would go nowhere and your pullmor wheels would spin. I would bet that you are running on the 6 front wheels only and they are being powered solely through the side rods. A 336 has 6 non-pullmor wheels to support the weight of the locomotive and I would bet they are doing just that with the former pullmor wheels riding above the rails. The one set of wheels that is getting power directly from the worm gear is not getting traction. I think Bullfrog snot, which I understand is tricky to work with in keeping an even thickenss, is not the way to go. In any case, you would have to apply it only to the pullmor wheels in an attempt to even out the wheel sizes and I think that would be tricky to do. I think the best solution would be to replace the pulmor tires. I am surprised that your repairman didn't recognize the problem he was leaving you with. Dale On 3/1/2011 1:31 PM, Scott wrote: > > After further research, I have come across a product called Bullfrog > snot. Does anyone have experience using the product or is it something > I can live without? > > Scott > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Scott" <scottmmiller1@...> wrote: > > > > Oh, now I understand. I will look into this.Are there kits that are > sold that include everything needed for replacing both tires? > > > > Scott > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Ron Inscho" <roninscho@> wrote: > > > > > > you still have the problem , because the non pullmor wheels are a > larger diameter than the pullmor wheels now that the tires have beem > removed , the front drivers are not turning at the same speed as the > rear drivers > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > The now absent tire is only a part of this problem, The metal > tires were made in 2 sizes , the plain wheel is of a larger diameter > and the pullmor wheel was made smaller so that all would be the same > size after the rubber tire was applied , this engine now has 2 > different wheel diameters , check with a calipper & you will see what > I mean , because of this You will always have 1 set of wheels slipping > due to not being the same size and turning at the same speed , The fix > is as stated before get a set of pullmor wheels for the 336 or even > plain wheels will be O-K ( not easy to do ) or use the replacement > tires from Portlines > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63710	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/2/2011
Subject: Re: Pullmor and Showcase Track

We sell the BS, and it IS a very good product. We've sold perhaps 100 bottles of it, with no complaints so far. Be sure you watch the short video clip (link to it from our homepage) to see how it's applied, and how well it works. However, the one suggestion I would add is to use multiple coats. It was intended for use with N and HO engines (i.e, lightweight). When used with S or O gauge engines, it will wear off much quicker due to weight. I suggest yyou apply a coat as directed....let it set overnight.....and apply a 2nd coat. It will still wear off, but not as quickly. The ideal repair is to rebuild your wheels with new pullmor flanged rims ($20 per pair). These will outlast all of us ! Glue-on bands are OK, but will not stand up to extensive, heavy use without ripping loose. <<<I have come across a product called Bullfrog snot. Does anyone have experience using the product or is it something I can live without?>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com www.flyerparts.com <http://www.flyerparts.com/> www.sgaugetrains.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63711	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/2/2011
Subject: Re: Seuthe Smoke Units and Flyer

One of the AF REPAIR CLINICS on our website describes the rebuilding of the standard smoke unit. I intend to add the smaller unit as well, but haven't done so yet. It's a completely different process. All you need to do is file off the thin flange that is peened around the edge of the circular disc insert on the front of the unit. (Unsolder the wire that is attached to the edge of the unit first......that's a necessary ground). Then pull out the disc. Either replace the entire disc with a new one, or just re-use the original disc after removing and replacing the element that is soldered to it. Make sure that when it is inserted the end doesn't hit the back of the cavity. Then loosely wrap some wick material around the element....insert the disc....and seal it in place with epoxy or JB Weld. Once it's firmly in place, remember to bend one of the leads over against the edge of the unit and solder it to the edge. <<<How do I go about opening the unit and replacing the element and wick? I do not know how to do this on any Flyer unit, so if someone could provide me with steps, it would be greatly appreciated.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com www.flyerparts.com <http://www.flyerparts.com/> www.sgaugetrains.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63712	From: Bob A	Date: 3/2/2011
Subject: For Sale items are SOLD thanks

Bob Anson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63713	From: Brady	Date: 3/2/2011
Subject: Re: Free S Scale scale/scalehouse kit

> Thanks Brady. That is a nice looking paper kit. I printed it on heavy > paper. Tomorrow I will spray some clear coat. Wednesday, I'll take a > stab at building it. I plan to post a photo. Bill, I'm looking forward to seeing the finished model photo What kind of clear coat do you use? Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63714	From: charlie and edith	Date: 3/2/2011
Subject: Accessory Question, Thank You

Greetings, and thanks to all for sharing information on my question about the "Lionel Gateman". Best wishes, Charlie in West MI [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63715	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/2/2011
Subject: Re: Free S Scale scale/scalehouse kit

Hi Brady, For this one I used Rustoleum gloss spray. Just one coat is not very glossy. I tend to use whatever is handy. In this case, the can had already been partially used, so, it was a natural. I have assembled a few paper kits in the past and I find them to be pleasant work, cheap and flexible. Right now, the last few parts are being attached. Cut one out, hide the edges with a Sharpie, glue in place and then wait for it to dry before the next one. I hope to finish tonight in time to take a photo or two on my layout. This free scale house is pretty nice and has some optional features. I am certainly having more fun with it than anyone who is not building one. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brady Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:23 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Free S Scale scale/scalehouse kit > Thanks Brady. That is a nice looking paper kit. I printed it on heavy > paper. Tomorrow I will spray some clear coat. Wednesday, I'll take a > stab at building it. I plan to post a photo. Bill, I'm looking forward to seeing the finished model photo What kind of clear coat do you use? Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63716	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/2/2011
Subject: Re: Accessory Question, Thank You

What information? I was kind of curious too about how to use this and perhaps other Lionel accessories, but I guess the responses went only to you, Charlie, or is it possible I am not getting all the posts to the list? Dale On 3/3/2011 2:14 AM, charlie and edith wrote: > > Greetings, and thanks to all for sharing information on my question > about the "Lionel Gateman". > Best wishes, Charlie in West MI > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63717	From: race944t	Date: 3/2/2011
Subject: Various talking station records

I know the talking stations all came with the standard record. Were the #598 and #599 records only available through separate purchase? Also, can someone tell me the story of the record labeled: TALKING STATION RECORD SIDE A FOR USE WITH AMERICAN FLYER* *TRADEMARK OF GENERAL MILLS ------------- TALKING STATION RECORD SIDE B FOR USE WITH CONTINENTAL LIMITED* *TRADEMARK OF GENERAL MILLS Were this record in cereal boxes and why the "*" saying "TRADEMARK OF GENERAL MILLS"? Thanks, "Banker" Bill Clark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63718	From: Herbert	Date: 3/3/2011
Subject: Re: Various talking station records

I believe the #598 came with the the #755 and #799 stations, and was also offered for separate sale in the catalog. The #599 was a freight sounds record offered in 1957. I don't know if it was offered again. General Mills owned Lionel until the mid 1980's, and thus assumed the Gilbert trademarks. Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "race944t" <race944t@...> wrote: > > I know the talking stations all came with the standard record. Were the #598 and #599 records only available through separate purchase? > > Also, can someone tell me the story of the record labeled: > > TALKING STATION RECORD > > SIDE A > > FOR USE WITH > AMERICAN FLYER* > > *TRADEMARK OF > GENERAL MILLS > > ------------- > > TALKING STATION RECORD > SIDE B > FOR USE WITH > CONTINENTAL LIMITED* > > *TRADEMARK OF > GENERAL MILLS > > Were this record in cereal boxes and why the "*" saying "TRADEMARK OF GENERAL MILLS"? > > Thanks, > "Banker" Bill Clark >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63719	From: Dave	Date: 3/3/2011
Subject: KC Truck Side Frame Replacements

We are now offering replacement side frames for the KC truck sintered side frames. These have been designed to glue on with any good two part epoxy such as JB WELD or others. They come raw or blackened with or with out axle bushings. Now you can finally empty out your parts box and repair and use those old KC trucks you haven't seen for years. May be viewed at our web site at: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html "COMING SOON: "OPEN SPOKE DRIVE WHEEL HUBS FOR AF STEAMERS PRE-1960" For further info. please cantact us off group. Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc P.O. Box 494 Goshen, KY 40026 dave@... lbrenterprisesllc@... 502-292-1872

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63720	From: Scott	Date: 3/3/2011
Subject: Re: Seuthe Smoke Units and Flyer

Thanks Doug. The Disk is what fell out, so I thought the unit was scrapped. I will order another disk and reinstall it. Thanks to everyone who read and replied to my original post. Scott --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > One of the AF REPAIR CLINICS on our website describes the rebuilding of > the standard smoke unit. > > I intend to add the smaller unit as well, but haven't done so yet. It's > a completely different process. > > All you need to do is file off the thin flange that is peened around the > edge of the circular disc insert on the front of the unit. > > (Unsolder the wire that is attached to the edge of the unit > first......that's a necessary ground). > > Then pull out the disc. Either replace the entire disc with a new one, > or just re-use the original disc after removing and replacing the > element that is soldered to it. > > Make sure that when it is inserted the end doesn't hit the back of the > cavity. > > Then loosely wrap some wick material around the element....insert the > disc....and seal it in place with epoxy or JB Weld. > > Once it's firmly in place, remember to bend one of the leads over > against the edge of the unit and solder it to the edge. > > > > <<<How do I go about opening the unit and replacing the element and > wick? I do not know how to do this on any Flyer unit, so if someone > could provide me with steps, it would be greatly appreciated.>>> > > > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > doug@... > www.portlines.com > www.flyerparts.com <http://www.flyerparts.com/> > www.sgaugetrains.com > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63721	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/3/2011
Subject: Re: Various talking station records

On 3/2/2011 10:45 PM, race944t wrote: > I know the talking stations all came with the standard record. Were the > #598 and #599 records only available through separate purchase? > > > Were this record in cereal boxes and why the "*" saying "TRADEMARK OF > GENERAL MILLS"? I have some originals and repros of all of the talking records. At one time, I believe AF was briefly owned by General Mills. There is also a CD with 33 of the AF and Lionel train sounds called "Toy Trains - The Soundtrack" that was published by the Windmill Group in 1998. It has copies of many of the record tracks as well as Noma, Marx, and even some old radio shows that featured Lionel. The contact info I have on the CD is: The Windmill Group 800 470-5540 PO Box 56551 Sherman Oaks CA 91413 There is a web site for them at http://www.windmillgroup.com but it seems to be broken. I did a whois to see who owned it and they list it as being registered to: The Windmill Group Inc 15532 Woodcrest Drive Sherman Oaks CA 91403 At one time they also published two books that were reprints of many of the great toy train catalog sections from Sears and Montgomery Wards. I have one of them but the other seems to be out of print. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63722	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/3/2011
Subject: Re: GateMan Accessory Question, Thank You

PVMR is adding an "O" Rattle-Bang section to our large "S" layout. We will be letting "little fingers" push the buttons to operate, among other accessories, the "Gateman". As a note, a friend gave a little guy a Gateman on Sat at Allentown. The kid was speechless. Jim Lyle In a message dated 3/3/2011 12:55:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dfsmith26@... writes: What information? I was kind of curious too about how to use this and perhaps other Lionel accessories, but I guess the responses went only to you, Charlie, or is it possible I am not getting all the posts to the list? Dale On 3/3/2011 2:14 AM, charlie and edith wrote: > > Greetings, and thanks to all for sharing information on my question > about the "Lionel Gateman". > Best wishes, Charlie in West MI > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63723	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/3/2011
Subject: Re: Free S Scale scale/scalehouse kit

Hmmm, a reply to my own note. Unusual. I have created an album and posted some photos to it. The album title is Paper Models. It is set up to accept pictures from any group member. I hope some of you will add your stuff in there. This is the scale house freebie that Brady mentioned a couple of days ago (http://www.clevermodels.net/freebies/). I visited the site, downloaded the PDF file, printed and built the little model. It will go well near the ferry slip on my layout. And, it was free. It took less than a day to make with a couple of waiting periods for ink and clear coat to dry. I did not paint anything. I did use a Sharpie on the edges of some of the parts. There are other sites, books and general tools for making your own. Paper models are a hobby of many and there is some intersection with our trains. The idea of paper models for our layouts is not a new one, but, it is underused a bit. It is possible to get a lot of detail with very little effort. The parts assemble with white glue although almost anything else will work. I have used ACC in the past. White glue is nearly as fast and is cheaper and safer. If you want some models that are not hard to build and certainly not expensive, give paper models a try. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Porter Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:28 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Free S Scale scale/scalehouse kit Hi Brady, Clear Coat: For this one I used Rustoleum gloss spray. Just one coat is not very glossy. I tend to use whatever is handy. In this case, the can had already been partially used, so, it was a natural. I have assembled a few paper kits in the past and I find them to be pleasant work, cheap and flexible.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63724	From: charlie and edith	Date: 3/3/2011
Subject: Re: Accessory Question, Thank You

Greetings! Dale, I think all the responses came to me .... and fell into two categories. One being the use of the flyer pressure trip to activate the gateman. I am assuming the wireing would follow the flyer crossing gate. The second, was to create a "hot rail". Take the insulator out from under the hot rail, just one, and put a wire from that track to the hot on the accessory. The hot rail will contact the tie and juice the accessory. I have not tried either of these methods yet as a K335 came in for repairs and diverted my attention. Hope this is helpful .... or evokes more response? Best Wishes, Charlie in W MI ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Smith To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Accessory Question, Thank You What information? I was kind of curious too about how to use this and perhaps other Lionel accessories, but I guess the responses went only to you, Charlie, or is it possible I am not getting all the posts to the list? Dale On 3/3/2011 2:14 AM, charlie and edith wrote: > > Greetings, and thanks to all for sharing information on my question > about the "Lionel Gateman". > Best wishes, Charlie in West MI > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63725	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/4/2011
Subject: Re: Accessory Question, Thank You

Hi All, I use the Lionel 153IR detector for my trackside accessories. You can set the activation time for the accessory from 0 - 5 seconds according to the manual but I think it can be set for more than 5 seconds. For example, I have one set up to activate my track gang. I adjust the timer based on the length of the train I am running to allow the train to completely clear the track gang before they jump back to work. It's simple to adjust - you just turn a knob. I have used them for whistling billboards, road crossings, to power jumper track sections, etc. It is one lionel product that has given me exactly zero problems; however, they are expensive! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "charlie and edith" <charlieandedith@...> wrote: > > Greetings! Dale, I think all the responses came to me .... and fell into two categories. One being the use of the flyer pressure trip to activate the gateman. I am assuming the wireing would follow the flyer crossing gate. The second, was to create a "hot rail". Take the insulator out from under the hot rail, just one, and put a wire from that track to the hot on the accessory. The hot rail will contact the tie and juice the accessory. I have not tried either of these methods yet as a K335 came in for repairs and diverted my attention. Hope this is helpful .... or evokes more response? Best Wishes, Charlie in W MI > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dale Smith > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 11:33 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Accessory Question, Thank You > > > > What information? I was kind of curious too about how to use this and > perhaps other Lionel accessories, but I guess the responses went only to > you, Charlie, or is it possible I am not getting all the posts to the list? > > Dale > > On 3/3/2011 2:14 AM, charlie and edith wrote: > > > > Greetings, and thanks to all for sharing information on my question > > about the "Lionel Gateman". > > Best wishes, Charlie in West MI > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63726	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2011
Subject: Re: Accessory Question, Thank You

IF I wanted "hands off" operation, I would go to DALLEE ( _www.dallee.com_ (http://www.dallee.com) ) and check out "OPTO Sensors" for the particular application. Mechanical tips work most of the time, emphasis on "most". Jim Lyle In a message dated 3/3/2011 10:12:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, charlieandedith@... writes: Greetings! Dale, I think all the responses came to me .... and fell into two categories. One being the use of the flyer pressure trip to activate the gateman. I am assuming the wireing would follow the flyer crossing gate. The second, was to create a "hot rail". Take the insulator out from under the hot rail, just one, and put a wire from that track to the hot on the accessory. The hot rail will contact the tie and juice the accessory. I have not tried either of these methods yet as a K335 came in for repairs and diverted my attention. Hope this is helpful .... or evokes more response? Best Wishes, Charlie in W MI ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Smith To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Accessory Question, Thank You What information? I was kind of curious too about how to use this and perhaps other Lionel accessories, but I guess the responses went only to you, Charlie, or is it possible I am not getting all the posts to the list? Dale On 3/3/2011 2:14 AM, charlie and edith wrote: > > Greetings, and thanks to all for sharing information on my question > about the "Lionel Gateman". > Best wishes, Charlie in West MI > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63727	From: CyberSavant	Date: 3/4/2011
Subject: trying to find streetcars in S-Scale

Hi. Does anyone know if any streetcars / trams / trolleys were ever made in S-Scale? Or where to start looking? Or how to build/convert one? thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63728	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/4/2011
Subject: Re: Various talking station records

The "General Mills" record is most likey one of the (I think) two products put out by "Continental Flyer" a company that was made up of some of the ACG executives and others who hoped to return S gauge trains to the Christmastime toy train biz. They had, apparently, worked out a deal with General Mills to use some of the ACG tooling and I think their first product was going to be the Frontiersman train sets. AFAIK, the only other product they actually got on the market was smoke fluid. S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63729	From: Herbert	Date: 3/4/2011
Subject: Re: Various talking station records

Lionel was acquired by General Mills Model Products Corporation (MPC} in 1969 and sold to Richard Kughn in 1984. General Mills manufactured American Flyer commencing in 1979. There is no connection with Continental Flyer. I am unaware of their manufacturing anything. Continental Flyer, depending on whom you talked to, was a failed attempt on the art of a few Gilbert people to reestablish AF train manufacture in New Haven or a ruse. Herb W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63730	From: Scott	Date: 3/4/2011
Subject: Lionel Reversing Handcar

Two years ago, I purchased Lionel's commemerative American FLyer handcar with shed. Today, well, lets say the Shed still works. The handcar has given me nothing but problems. With an original 5-17 volt transformer, I will operate around 8-10 volts to prevent from bashing the reverser bar. Now, the handcar will no longer reverse at this speed, and will not operate in one direction. At one point, and I have no clue how it is still working, it began to smoke. Now, does anybody have experience with these handcars and is my handcar being "normal" for a Flyonel, or do I have a "rotten apple"? Thanks for anybody's insight. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63731	From: cvlk	Date: 3/4/2011
Subject: Re: trying to find streetcars in S-Scale

Yes, there were S Scale Box Motors and Streetcars (and IIRC an Interurban) made as S Scale kits in the late 1940s... don't recall the brand at the moment. I think they were intended to use the Miller Engineering power trucks. No mass-production models, although the Industrail (now Atlas) Brill trolley is really closer to S than O Scale. Charlie Vlk ----- Original Message ----- From: CyberSavant To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 12:56 PM Subject: [S-Trains] trying to find streetcars in S-Scale Hi. Does anyone know if any streetcars / trams / trolleys were ever made in S-Scale? Or where to start looking? Or how to build/convert one? thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63732	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 3/4/2011
Subject: Re: trying to find streetcars in S-Scale

Pennsylvania Heritage Models made streetcars and Budd RDCs in S. I picked up a streetcar at last fall's Allentown meet from Gary Clark. Bob Sent from my iPod On Mar 4, 2011, at 1:56 PM, "CyberSavant" <cybersavant@...> wrote: > Hi. > > Does anyone know if any streetcars / trams / trolleys were ever made in S-Scale? Or where to start looking? Or how to build/convert one? > > thanks > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63733	From: Jerry	Date: 3/4/2011
Subject: Re: trying to find streetcars in S-Scale

Terry Putt in Ohio made a nice little Birney trolley in S during the 90's but has since gone out of business. They ran nicely and were not highly detailed, but acceptable and well proportioned (in my opinion). Terry, I have heard, had to concentrate on having a regular day job and couldn't keep making them. I'm sure others out there know more than I. Do a search online to see the cars. Search for "Putt trains". Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63734	From: rick gough	Date: 3/4/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel Reversing Handcar

The reversing switch in the origional is pretty delicate to start with but seems to have held up pretty well; my guess because few people actually set them to constantly reverse direction. Who knows what Lionel's re-engineering of the switch might be .... but probably not an improvement. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63735	From: The Reardon's	Date: 3/4/2011
Subject: Re: trying to find streetcars in S-Scale

I spoke with Terry about a year ago and he put one together for me, but at that time, his parts were limited. It's still worth a try to call him and leave a message. Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 5:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: trying to find streetcars in S-Scale Terry Putt in Ohio made a nice little Birney trolley in S during the 90's but has since gone out of business. They ran nicely and were not highly detailed, but acceptable and well proportioned (in my opinion). Terry, I have heard, had to concentrate on having a regular day job and couldn't keep making them. I'm sure others out there know more than I. Do a search online to see the cars. Search for "Putt trains". Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63736	From: Bud Rindfleisch	Date: 3/4/2011
Subject: soliciting interst for a Milwaukee Road ribside boxcar

Hello listers, On the S scale Yahoo list, we have begun taking orders of interest only, no deposits, for a resin kit of a Milwaukee Road 40' horizontal rib boxcar. from Smoky Mountain Model Works. As a kit , it could be built to accommodate Hi-Rail wheels. Please respond to me off list if you think you might be interested, We do not have a price range yet, that depends on the final tally of interest, but the guesstimate would be in the $80 range, less trucks. This would compare pricewise to the recent B&O wagontop kit from Smoky Mountain. The production of this kit is not a definite "go" as we need to have many numbers of modelers interested. Bud Rindfleisch

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63737	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/4/2011
Subject: Re: Various talking station records

I have also never heard anything about Continental Flyer producing any products. There is some interesting information on Continental Flyer in Hal Carsten's book, "150 years of Train Models," which is an excellent anecdotal history of the model railroad industry. The two references I found to Continental Flyer are photos and captions on pages 84 and 118. On page 84, Charlotte Gilbert Chase, AC's daughter, is shown with Continental Flyer executives, Donald Shea, Chairman, Wayne Gross, President, and Spike Fitzpatrick. It is noted that the firm did good publicity, but never got off the ground. On page 118, former TCA President, Bob Davenport is shown inspecting Continental Flyer "S gauge samples," but it is noted that the equipment was actually American Flyer and that the new company "never got into production. I am not sure if there are any further mentions of Continental Flyer in the text. There is no index to the book and no chapter headings seem likely to cover it. As to Continental Flyer being a ruse, more details would be interesting. Dale On 3/4/2011 12:13 PM, Herbert wrote: > > Lionel was acquired by General Mills Model Products Corporation (MPC} > in 1969 and sold to Richard Kughn in 1984. General Mills manufactured > American Flyer commencing in 1979. There is no connection with > Continental Flyer. I am unaware of their manufacturing anything. > > Continental Flyer, depending on whom you talked to, was a failed > attempt on the art of a few Gilbert people to reestablish AF train > manufacture in New Haven or a ruse. > Herb W > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63738	From: johntech	Date: 3/5/2011
Subject: Re: Free S Scale scale/scalehouse kit

Hi Bill I saw your pictures and they look great. I have also visited the Clevermodels site and I may have to invest in a couple of his cd's Thanks for sharing John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 11:34 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Free S Scale scale/scalehouse kit > Hmmm, a reply to my own note. Unusual. > > I have created an album and posted some photos to it. The album title is > Paper Models. It is set up to accept pictures from any group member. I > hope some of you will add your stuff in there. > > This is the scale house freebie that Brady mentioned a couple of days > ago (http://www.clevermodels.net/freebies/). I visited the site, > downloaded the PDF file, printed and built the little model. It will go > well near the ferry slip on my layout. And, it was free. It took less > than a day to make with a couple of waiting periods for ink and clear > coat to dry. I did not paint anything. I did use a Sharpie on the edges > of some of the parts. > > There are other sites, books and general tools for making your own. > Paper models are a hobby of many and there is some intersection with our > trains. > > The idea of paper models for our layouts is not a new one, but, it is > underused a bit. It is possible to get a lot of detail with very little > effort. The parts assemble with white glue although almost anything else > will work. I have used ACC in the past. White glue is nearly as fast and > is cheaper and safer. > > If you want some models that are not hard to build and certainly not > expensive, give paper models a try. > > Bill > > Reply from Bill Porter > South Florida >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63739	From: Herbert	Date: 3/5/2011
Subject: Re: Various talking station records

I was acquainted with a few former Gilbert higher level employees from the mid-70's on, and was told by a couple of people that they thought that the principals were trying to get start up grants from the state of Connecticut which they might use for other endeavors. I also did not hear much positive input about the team from people in New Haven. This is all conjecture and I emphasize that I neither endorse nor reject the above. Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > I have also never heard anything about Continental Flyer producing any > products. There is some interesting information on Continental Flyer > in Hal Carsten's book, "150 years of Train Models," which is an > excellent anecdotal history of the model railroad industry. The two > references I found to Continental Flyer are photos and captions on pages > 84 and 118. > > On page 84, Charlotte Gilbert Chase, AC's daughter, is shown with > Continental Flyer executives, Donald Shea, Chairman, Wayne Gross, > President, and Spike Fitzpatrick. It is noted that the firm did good > publicity, but never got off the ground. > > On page 118, former TCA President, Bob Davenport is shown inspecting > Continental Flyer "S gauge samples," but it is noted that the equipment > was actually American Flyer and that the new company "never got into > production. > > I am not sure if there are any further mentions of Continental Flyer in > the text. There is no index to the book and no chapter headings seem > likely to cover it. > > As to Continental Flyer being a ruse, more details would be interesting. > > Dale > > On 3/4/2011 12:13 PM, Herbert wrote: > > > > Lionel was acquired by General Mills Model Products Corporation (MPC} > > in 1969 and sold to Richard Kughn in 1984. General Mills manufactured > > American Flyer commencing in 1979. There is no connection with > > Continental Flyer. I am unaware of their manufacturing anything. > > > > Continental Flyer, depending on whom you talked to, was a failed > > attempt on the art of a few Gilbert people to reestablish AF train > > manufacture in New Haven or a ruse. > > Herb W > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63740	From: Herbert	Date: 3/5/2011
Subject: Re: Various talking station records

To add to my last post. Continental Flyer registered with the State of Connecticut as a stock corporation in 1976. The registration was later forfeited. I remember Harry Gordon, a very nice man and train dealer in New Haven told me that he had tried to negotiate a purchase of American Flyer from Lionel (MPC). He had ongoing negotiations, but told me he felt they were just just stinging him along. Harry was close to former Gilbert people and my have been part of the Continental Flyer group, but I don't have the the references handy. My apologies if I have overdone this subject. Herb W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63741	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 3/5/2011
Subject: Re: trying to find streetcars in S-Scale

Craig O'Connell keeps up to date what is available in S gauge traction on the "S Scale Home Page", http://trainweb.org/crocon/straction.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks. - Jim Ingram, VMS/Land 570.322.7597, Williamsport PA Easy web pages at BilltownWeb.com , track2.com , MacBook Pro/OS 10.6 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mar 4, 2011, at 11:56 AM, CyberSavant wrote: > Hi. > > Does anyone know if any streetcars / trams / trolleys were ever made in S-Scale? Or where to start looking? Or how to build/convert one? > > thanks > : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63742	From: warren_chadbourne	Date: 3/5/2011
Subject: card stock buildings

I'm sure someone has asked this before, but please help me. I think the card stock buildings are great, but since many are in different scales, what do you set your printer to to reproduce them in S? (If it is O do I set my printer at 75% or what. How about HO to S, is it 125% or what? Thank you

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63743	From: DarylO	Date: 3/5/2011
Subject: Re: Various talking station records

Bill, The "General Mills" records are reproduction records that more than likely were produced by the late, American Flyer collector Jim Walsh. On Page 5 of the book, "American Flyer Features" by Don Heimburger it relates the story of how Jim made the reproduction records possible. According to the article, Jim tracked down the original studio that cut the recording for Gilbert. Through his contacts in the recording industry he found a company that was able to produce the records. General Mills owned Fundimensions (thus owned the rights to the American Flyer name)during the time period Mr. Walsh was doing all this, that's probably why the General Mills name is marked on the records. Daryl --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "race944t" <race944t@...> wrote: > > I know the talking stations all came with the standard record. Were the #598 and #599 records only available through separate purchase? > > Also, can someone tell me the story of the record labeled: > > TALKING STATION RECORD > > SIDE A > > FOR USE WITH > AMERICAN FLYER* > > *TRADEMARK OF > GENERAL MILLS > > ------------- > > TALKING STATION RECORD > SIDE B > FOR USE WITH > CONTINENTAL LIMITED* > > *TRADEMARK OF > GENERAL MILLS > > Were this record in cereal boxes and why the "*" saying "TRADEMARK OF GENERAL MILLS"? > > Thanks, > "Banker" Bill Clark >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63744	From: Gale Hall	Date: 3/5/2011
Subject: Re: card stock buildings

From HO up to S is an enlargement of 136.1%, you are right on the down from O to S as being 75% reduction, gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: warren_chadbourne To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 9:46 AM Subject: [S-Trains] card stock buildings I'm sure someone has asked this before, but please help me. I think the card stock buildings are great, but since many are in different scales, what do you set your printer to to reproduce them in S? (If it is O do I set my printer at 75% or what. How about HO to S, is it 125% or what? Thank you [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63745	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/5/2011
Subject: Re: card stock buildings

Ah yes, the scale conversion question. Rather than a table, let me give you a rule since plans and photos come in all sizes. Lets change O-Scale plans to S-Scale ones. That means they will get smaller by some factor. O-scale is 1/48th the original size of the prototype. S-Scale is 1/64th and is therefore smaller. Divide 48 by 64 (to make it smaller) and you get 0.75 or 75%. That tells you to set your copier to 75% to convert O-scale plans to S-Scale plans. To change from HO (1/87.1) to S, you need to make them bigger. So, divide 87.1 by 64 to get 1.36. So, you need to make the HO plans at 136% to get S-Scale plans. A table is harder to construct and use than is a general rule and it is easy to get confused. In all cases, we divide one number by another and turn that into a percentage. To make things bigger, divide the big number by the small one. To make them smaller, divide the small number by the big one. If your copier will not make the change in one go, then it will take multiple steps. Do the calculation at each step. I sure hope that helps. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of warren_chadbourne Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 10:47 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] card stock buildings I'm sure someone has asked this before, but please help me. I think the card stock buildings are great, but since many are in different scales, what do you set your printer to to reproduce them in S? (If it is O do I set my printer at 75% or what. How about HO to S, is it 125% or what? Thank you

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63746	From: Brady	Date: 3/5/2011
Subject: Re: Free S Scale scale/scalehouse kit

Bill, Great model, thanks for posting the photos. I would also like to invite list members to try cardstock models. There are a lot of free models available on-line, and the commercial kits are inexpensive and you can print as many as you need. Besides buildings you can find vehicles and aircraftin cardstock. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63747	From: Robert Ahrens	Date: 3/5/2011
Subject: Re: card stock buildings

Warren, you would probably be better off with a graphics program so that you can resize your image(s) before you print and then print them out at 1 : 1. That being said, O scale is 1/48 life size, S scale is 1/64. So you would take 48 and divide it by 64 which gives you .75, or 75%. HO scale is 1/87, so to go from HO to S you need to divide 87 by 64 which gives you 1.359375 or 136%. If you use a graphics program like Photo-Impact or Paint Shop Pro in Windows you do all the resizing in the program and then print the new file at 1 : 1. For Linux you can use the Gimp, or it has been ported for Windows too. Freeware is a great price! You can use Paint in Windows, but you have to do all the figuring, it doesn't have the neat tools the other more advanced programs have. Happy modeling to you! From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of warren_chadbourne Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 10:47 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] card stock buildings I'm sure someone has asked this before, but please help me. I think the card stock buildings are great, but since many are in different scales, what do you set your printer to to reproduce them in S? (If it is O do I set my printer at 75% or what. How about HO to S, is it 125% or what? Thank you _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3483 - Release Date: 03/05/11 _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3483 - Release Date: 03/05/11 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63748	From: vbereskin	Date: 3/5/2011
Subject: Re: trying to find streetcars in S-Scale

The Cincinnati on the Move exhibit at the Cincinnati History Museum in the former Union Terminal has some very nice s-scale models of streetcars built by the Cincinnati Car Company. Unfortunately, the were custom built for the exhibit. When it opened, the exhibit's trains were largely repainted American Flyer, but these have been replaced with S-Helper and American Models. Vic Bereskin --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "CyberSavant" <cybersavant@...> wrote: > > Hi. > > Does anyone know if any streetcars / trams / trolleys were ever made in S-Scale? Or where to start looking? Or how to build/convert one? > > thanks >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63749	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/5/2011
Subject: Electrical Relay box Kit

A Clever Models kit, $2.95 http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/photos/cardmodels/relaybox.JPG http://clevermodels.squarespace.com/models-gallery/ Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63750	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2011
Subject: Re: trying to find streetcars in S-Scale

Try Corgi...Mike In a message dated 3/5/2011 1:49:19 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, vbereskin@... writes: The Cincinnati on the Move exhibit at the Cincinnati History Museum in the former Union Terminal has some very nice s-scale models of streetcars built by the Cincinnati Car Company. Unfortunately, the were custom built for the exhibit. When it opened, the exhibit's trains were largely repainted American Flyer, but these have been replaced with S-Helper and American Models. Vic Bereskin --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "CyberSavant" <cybersavant@...> wrote: > > Hi. > > Does anyone know if any streetcars / trams / trolleys were ever made in S-Scale? Or where to start looking? Or how to build/convert one? > > thanks > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63751	From: wjchadbourne	Date: 3/6/2011
Subject: Re: card stock buildings

Thank you gentlemen. All three replies came with the same exact ratios.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63752	From: Timboy	Date: 3/6/2011
Subject: Cleaning Plastic Wheels

Hi Everyone: I bought a spray bottle of "Contractor's Solvent" at True Value. I use it on a paper towel to clean the 60+ year-old crud off plastic wheels. I wouldn't want to get it on a painted surface or anything rubber, though! I've tried rounding up the usual suspects for that job and nothing else works for me. This stuff works! I use a wire wheel on my bench grinder to polish the metal wheels and sliders and I use 90% alcohol on the pads of my track cleaning car to wipe the track clean of dust and oil. Vintage Flyer trains are a bit finicky and cleanliness is the key, IMHO. What I want is metal wheel against metal rail, so that if there is some sparking, then at least there is no carbon deposited. OBTW, all my wheel sets and track is vintage. Your situation may be different if you use modern wheel sets and modern track. Hope this tidbit is of value to fellow S-Gaugers! Regards, Timboy, An American Flyer Nerd

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63753	From: mikenguy9	Date: 3/6/2011
Subject: where can I get

a repair manual for American Flyer "S"? engines

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63754	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/6/2011
Subject: Re: where can I get

CHUCKS SITE.... MYFLYERTRAINS HAS MOST ALL THE PAGES SHOWN.... BOB --- On Sun, 3/6/11, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] where can I get To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 6, 2011, 3:43 PM   a repair manual for American Flyer "S"? engines [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63755	From: mike boyd	Date: 3/6/2011
Subject: Re: where can I get

Hello, K Line printed a repair book a few years back, you still see it from time to time and Greenberg printd a more complete version. Just checked Amazon.com and they are are both in the 100.00 dollar range. Watch ebay, they are on from time to time. Portlines hobby has repair clinics on his site, very helful. I beleive Hobby Surplus Sales has online info also. There's also a repair cd people sell, nice thing about it is you can zoom and print what you need for the work bench and not dirty your book. shop around, there are deals.If you don't find what your after, I can burn and give you a copy of the cd. Let me know, Mike toorailer@... --- On Sun, 3/6/11, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] where can I get > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, March 6, 2011, 12:43 PM > a repair manual for American Flyer > "S"? engines > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! > Groups Links > > >     S-Trains-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63756	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/6/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/6/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday March 6, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63757	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/6/2011
Subject: Re: where can I get

Here is the link to the online Gilbert Service Manual. Most of what is in the k-line book, and more. http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/GilbertFactoryManual Enjoy... Chuck Harrington http://www.myflyertrains.org A. C. Gilbert Catalogs Online! On Mar 6, 2011, at 3:43 PM, mikenguy9 wrote: > a repair manual for American Flyer "S"? engines > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63758	From: cvlk	Date: 3/6/2011
Subject: Re: trying to find streetcars in S-Scale

Corgi PCCs are 1/50; the Birney Cars are true 1/48...... much larger than 1/64. Charlie Vlk Try Corgi...Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63759	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/6/2011
Subject: Re: club convention cars for sale

Eight cars have sold, some remain, and other cars have arrived.  Consistent, with my past experience, the convention cars did all sell at Greenberg book value.  The following are available: Club convention cars: Two 48211 NASG 1998 Magnolia tank cars NIB C-10 $60 each 48214 NASG 1999 GN caboose NIB C-10 $60 48222 TTOS 2000 British Columbia tank car NIB C-10 $70 48222 TTOS 2000 British Columbia tank car NIB C-10 $75 in shipping carton 48231 TTOS 2003 Linde boxcar NIB C-10 $115 in shipping carton Other freight cars: 9100 Gulf tank LN C-8 $50 9101 Union 76 tank car LN C-8 $32 9102 B&O tank LN C-8 $22 9102 B&O tank NIB C-10 $24 48808 PFE reefer NIB C-10 $49 And there are more coming; all in OB, LN or Mint: 48405 orange Shell tank car $45 3-48406 Celanese tank cars @ $37 3-48407 Gilbert Chemical tank cars @ $38 All are in their original boxes. For reference purposes, I show 2010 Greenberg book values. Make offer. Bob --- On Fri, 2/25/11, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: [AvailableSgauge] club convention cars for sale To: s-trains@..., "Sgauge Available" <AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 8:04 AM   I have the following convention cars coming from a collector who is thinning his collection. Club convention cars like this tend to hold their value and are highly collectible; in my experience, they usually sell at or above Greenberg book value on ebay.  All are in their original boxes, most with outer shipping box, Like New or Mint. For reference purposes, I show 2010 Greenberg book values for Mint condition cars. Make offer. Bob Graves 48205 NASG 1997 PFE reefer $52 Two 48211 NASG 1998 Magnolia tank cars $60 each 48214 NASG 1999 GN caboose $60 Two 48222 TTOS 2000 British Columbia tank cars $70 each 48231 TTOS 2003 Linde boxcar $110 48235 TTOS 2004 SMOKEY BEAR 60TH BIRTHDAY WATER TANK car $115 52095 NASG 1996 Mobilgas tank car $85 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63760	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/6/2011
Subject: Re: trying to find streetcars in S-Scale

I converted a Bachmann 0n30 trolley to S and wrote a post about it here a few months ago. Here is the address of the you tube video I made of the trolley. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gbwDJEepTc Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "CyberSavant" <cybersavant@...> wrote: > > Hi. > > Does anyone know if any streetcars / trams / trolleys were ever made in S-Scale? Or where to start looking? Or how to build/convert one? > > thanks >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63761	From: Neil Trump	Date: 3/6/2011
Subject: Re: where can I get

........but these are not what I call comprehensive 'repair books/manuals'. They are a collection of exploded diagrams showing all component parts in a visual display of where they are in respect to a complete engine or whatever with a brief description on how to trouble shoot. They don't go into detail on how to dis-assemble and to test/check to the level that we need to these days. In reality they were a guide/tool to the repair man of the day on what to order when an item required work to it. It was/is the repair mans skills that fixed an engine etc and that comes by either being inquisitive yourself or being shown/taught by someone on how to repair these toys. By this as a single example, it doesn't detail on how to strip down a reverse unit, what to check for, how to align fingers for best operation and adjusting to get the best operation from it. To the novice they need this sort of information to have a better understanding to ensure they become experts themselves so that these trains run/operate for many years to come. The nearest you are going to get to a repair book is Tom Barkers soft back/CD. Although it is a really good introduction to help a new person on repairing Flyer trains, there is a lot more that needs to be done to give a comprehensive insight into being competent in maintenance for the wider spectrum of Flyer trains across the engines, cars and accessories out there. Regards, Neil Sent from my iPad On 6 Mar 2011, at 21:14, mike boyd <toorailer@...> wrote: > Hello, K Line printed a repair book a few years back, you still see it from time to time and Greenberg printd a more complete version. Just checked Amazon.com and they are are both in the 100.00 dollar range. Watch ebay, they are on from time to time. Portlines hobby has repair clinics on his site, very helful. I beleive Hobby Surplus Sales has online info also. There's also a repair cd people sell, nice thing about it is you can zoom and print what you need for the work bench and not dirty your book. shop around, there are deals.If you don't find what your after, I can burn and give you a copy of the cd. Let me know, Mike toorailer@... > > --- On Sun, 3/6/11, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > > > From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> > > Subject: [S-Trains] where can I get > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, March 6, 2011, 12:43 PM > > a repair manual for American Flyer > > "S"? engines > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! > > Groups Links > > > > > > S-Trains-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63762	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/6/2011
Subject: Re: where can I get

Hi Mike, I have a Parts and Service book to repair Gilbert American Flyer Trains. More exploded views and different repair instructions than the K-Line book. 200 pages spiral bound. Theres no book like this out there. I have one on ebay. My ebay seller handle is ssstrains. $24.95 plus $2.50 S&H. Please go to my email seccia@aol for payment instructions and any other questions. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, March 6, 2011 3:43:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] where can I get a repair manual for American Flyer "S"? engines [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63763	From: johntech	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: Re: trying to find streetcars in S-Scale

I have heard about guys converting On3 engines over to S. I have viewed you video and am interested in details how you converted the On3 to S. Thanks for any information you can provide!! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 5:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: trying to find streetcars in S-Scale >I converted a Bachmann 0n30 trolley to S and wrote a post about it here a >few months ago. Here is the address of the you tube video I made of the >trolley. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gbwDJEepTc > > Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63764	From: Scott	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: Handcar Update

Hey, I just wanted to update anyone who had been interested by my previous thread, Problems with Flyonel Handcar. I discovered that the unit reverses by means of two limit switches. One of the switches is worn out, which explained why it stalled and overheated. Luckily, Lionel sells a replacement limit switch for a TMCC crane which appears to fit into the handcar. Hope this helps anybody that faces the same problem. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63765	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: Re: Cleaning Plastic Wheels

Tim, I really like Goo Gone for those wheels that do not clean eazy. Best part is that there's no use of buffing wheels that reduce the wheel in the process. I am impressed with your work. I follow regularly and have used some of your ideas. Clifford Manning ---- Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > I bought a spray bottle of "Contractor's Solvent" at True Value. I use it on a paper towel to clean the 60+ year-old crud off plastic wheels. I wouldn't want to get it on a painted surface or anything rubber, though! I've tried rounding up the usual suspects for that job and nothing else works for me. This stuff works! I use a wire wheel on my bench grinder to polish the metal wheels and sliders and I use 90% alcohol on the pads of my track cleaning car to wipe the track clean of dust and oil. Vintage Flyer trains are a bit finicky and cleanliness is the key, IMHO. What I want is metal wheel against metal rail, so that if there is some sparking, then at least there is no carbon deposited. OBTW, all my wheel sets and track is vintage. Your situation may be different if you use modern wheel sets and modern track. > > Hope this tidbit is of value to fellow S-Gaugers! > > Regards, > Timboy, An American Flyer Nerd >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63766	From: s_trains	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: a repair manual for American Flyer "S"? engines?

When folks ask me repair questions I usually visit ... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/messages Do a search like ... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/msearch?query='Rusty+Track'&submit=Search For a search I typed in single quote rusty track single quote. There is a gold mine of information. A smart person could mine this vain, add some diagrams and create a very comprehensive repair manual. Or folks can just use it as is, as a resource to keep their trains running. Paul (Still here, but not so much trains these days.)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63767	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: Re: a repair manual for American Flyer "S"? engines?

Hi Paul, I read all of the messages on-line by logging into Yahoo, then Groups, then S-Trains. The reading window has a SEARCH box that makes it easy to search the archives. Simply type in your search criteria. You can also access the advanced search from the same window. I have found the archives to be a gold mine and wonder why more group members don't use this treasure trove. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "s_trains" <s_trains@...> wrote: > > When folks ask me repair questions I usually visit ... > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/messages > > Do a search like ... > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/msearch?query='Rusty+Track'&submit=Search > > For a search I typed in single quote rusty track single quote. > > There is a gold mine of information. A smart person could mine this vain, add some diagrams and create a very comprehensive repair manual. Or folks can just use it as is, as a resource to keep their trains running. > > Paul > (Still here, but not so much trains these days.) >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63768	From: Timboy	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: Re: Cleaning Plastic Wheels

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <clifma19@...> wrote: > > Tim, > I really like Goo Gone for those wheels that do not clean eazy. Best part is that there's no use of buffing wheels that reduce the wheel in the process. I am impressed with your work. I follow regularly and have used some of your ideas. > > Clifford Manning Hi Clifford, Goo Gone is good. I like it as well and it is probably a little safer to use than Contractor's Solvent. Although, I wouldn't let either product on paint, decals or rubber. But I gotta say, that Contractor's Solvent really does get the 60+ year-old crud off plastic wheels. It still takes some rubbing, but it's not such a hopeless task for me anymore and THAT is a huge improvement. I'm for anything that makes the job a little easier and therefore maybe I'll actually keep my trains a little cleaner. So maybe Contractor's Solvent would be my choice for a first-time cleaning and then switch to Goo Gone after that for regular cleanings. I published a post on my tips for cleaning Flyer train components. Here is a link: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/2011/03/timboys-tips-on-cleaning.html Perhaps I've listed some insights that may be useful. If I've missed anything, please send me a note. Thanks, Timboy, The American Flyer Nerd

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63769	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: Re: Cleaning Plastic Wheels

would it not be best to remove the wheels from the trucks, carefully before cleaning the white residue on them? Mike From: Timboy Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 12:18 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Cleaning Plastic Wheels --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, <clifma19@...> wrote: > > Tim, > I really like Goo Gone for those wheels that do not clean eazy. Best part is that there's no use of buffing wheels that reduce the wheel in the process. I am impressed with your work. I follow regularly and have used some of your ideas. > > Clifford Manning Hi Clifford, Goo Gone is good. I like it as well and it is probably a little safer to use than Contractor's Solvent. Although, I wouldn't let either product on paint, decals or rubber. But I gotta say, that Contractor's Solvent really does get the 60+ year-old crud off plastic wheels. It still takes some rubbing, but it's not such a hopeless task for me anymore and THAT is a huge improvement. I'm for anything that makes the job a little easier and therefore maybe I'll actually keep my trains a little cleaner. So maybe Contractor's Solvent would be my choice for a first-time cleaning and then switch to Goo Gone after that for regular cleanings. I published a post on my tips for cleaning Flyer train components. Here is a link: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/2011/03/timboys-tips-on-cleaning.html Perhaps I've listed some insights that may be useful. If I've missed anything, please send me a note. Thanks, Timboy, The American Flyer Nerd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63770	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: American Flyer Equipment

Hi S-Trains group.  I've just posted additional AF equipment on my site - www.americanflyertrains4u.com. I have the following: AF 734 operating car for $75 Erie Alco diesel engine and B unit for $215 24453 and 24561 cranes discounted to $60 for both 272 Glendale Station and Newsstand for $200 353 played with Circus engine for $265 Beautiful set of 4 aluminum passenger cars 660/1/2/3 for $325 484/485/486 Santa Fe diesel set for $555  If you are interested in any of this AF equipment contact me off list or through my e-mail address on my website.  Thanks and have a great week.  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63771	From: Timboy	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: Re: Cleaning Plastic Wheels

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > would it not be best to remove the wheels from the trucks, carefully before cleaning the white residue on them? > > Mike Hi Mike, That would be a good practice for linker wheel sets because they are quite easy to remove. I wouldn't advise it for knuckle truck wheel sets. The less I have to remove wheel sets from knuckle trucks the better. Those sintered side frames are notorious for coming loose. They can be re-tightened a number of different ways, but why risk getting them to that point if I don't have to. It's not just the white residue I'm after. It's the black crud that builds up on wheels as well. Most guys say to use a hair drier on the white residue and I guess that is okay in a lot of instances; such as making it disappear on knuckle truck wheel sets. However, I think it should be physically removed from linker coupler blades. Heating it with a hair drier doesn't make it come off; it makes it disappear. A transparent substance still remains and that can cause linker coupler blades to not move freely. Linker coupler blades moving freely is absolutely essential to me for proper and reliable operation. I don't really have a substance that I feel removes that white residue well. I've tried a number of different things, including lemon juice. On linker coupler blades, I use my thumbnail. If it's in and around the eye of the blade, then I try to get at it with an acid brush and lemon juice to wash it out and remove it as much as possible. Sometimes, when all else fails, I turn to my soldering gun; applying some heat to the linker bar while I wiggle the linker blade to loosen it up. I guess I ended up in a bit of a rant here. Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63772	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: 24558 Canadian Pacific ??

I just picked a package of TRUE SCALE trees at a train show. I have had two of the 24558 Canadian Pacific flat cars in the past and sold them because they had no trees. Now I am researching these trees. They look like the trees I have seen at other train shows. and are different heights, as shower on page 136 Greenburg's book. The branches all look the same and have the green flock glued to the branches, The roots look the same & all have a joint up from the roots the ( base of the tree ) #1 tree is 3 1/4" tall, 7 branches, 3/4" up to the joint. #2 tree is 2 3/4" tall 7 branches , 1/4 " up to the joint, #3 tree is 2 3/4" tall, 6 branches, 1/2 " up to the joint. #4 tree is 2 1/2" tall, 5 branches, 3/4" up to the joint #5 tree is 2" 'tall, 5 branches, 1/2" up to the joint. The Question, did Gilbert use a same size trees or just use any height tree that true scale supplied ?? so many years ?? So many trees ?? so many second owners. of these cars. Any one having purchased one of the cars new ?? may have the answer. How many of you out there ?? Jerry 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Mortgage Rates Hit 2.99% If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Gov't Refi Programs http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d7538d6eab6fd13m06duc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63773	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: Re: Cleaning Plastic Wheels

Tim, I thought that would be the answer and you are correct, as yes, that could damage the knuckle truck. How about replacing these wheels with SHS wheels? http://showcaseline.com/Parts/wheelsets_in_stock.html I run only SHS cars and a few AM cars and a few AF action cars on my layout. The AF cars have SHS power wheels in them and they fit and run great. Look good too. Just a thought for a one time removal on the knuckle cars, as I am sure they work well with Link cars, as I just remember, I have them on a set of 600 series AF passenger cars. Mike From: Timboy Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 1:54 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Cleaning Plastic Wheels --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > would it not be best to remove the wheels from the trucks, carefully before cleaning the white residue on them? > > Mike Hi Mike, That would be a good practice for linker wheel sets because they are quite easy to remove. I wouldn't advise it for knuckle truck wheel sets. The less I have to remove wheel sets from knuckle trucks the better. Those sintered side frames are notorious for coming loose. They can be re-tightened a number of different ways, but why risk getting them to that point if I don't have to. It's not just the white residue I'm after. It's the black crud that builds up on wheels as well. Most guys say to use a hair drier on the white residue and I guess that is okay in a lot of instances; such as making it disappear on knuckle truck wheel sets. However, I think it should be physically removed from linker coupler blades. Heating it with a hair drier doesn't make it come off; it makes it disappear. A transparent substance still remains and that can cause linker coupler blades to not move freely. Linker coupler blades moving freely is absolutely essential to me for proper and reliable operation. I don't really have a substance that I feel removes that white residue well. I've tried a number of different things, including lemon juice. On linker coupler blades, I use my thumbnail. If it's in and around the eye of the blade, then I try to get at it with an acid brush and lemon juice to wash it out and remove it as much as possible. Sometimes, when all else fails, I turn to my soldering gun; applying some heat to the linker bar while I wiggle the linker blade to loosen it up. I guess I ended up in a bit of a rant here. Regards, Timboy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63774	From: richs009	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: Re: a repair manual for American Flyer "S"? engines?

Indeed this group is a very valuable resource. I've collected a few of the more salient pieces of advice just so I can go back and find them should I ever need them. Not that all of the advice is consistent - but that's ok. The collective knowledge here is pretty extensive. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi Paul, > > I read all of the messages on-line by logging into Yahoo, then Groups, then S-Trains. The reading window has a SEARCH box that makes it easy to search the archives. Simply type in your search criteria. You can also access the advanced search from the same window. > > I have found the archives to be a gold mine and wonder why more group members don't use this treasure trove. > > BG1 > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "s_trains" <s_trains@> wrote: > > > > When folks ask me repair questions I usually visit ... > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/messages > > > > Do a search like ... > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/msearch?query='Rusty+Track'&submit=Search > > > > For a search I typed in single quote rusty track single quote. > > > > There is a gold mine of information. A smart person could mine this vain, add some diagrams and create a very comprehensive repair manual. Or folks can just use it as is, as a resource to keep their trains running. > > > > Paul > > (Still here, but not so much trains these days.) > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63775	From: Timboy	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: Re: Cleaning Plastic Wheels

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Tim, > > I thought that would be the answer and you are correct, as yes, that could damage the knuckle truck. > > How about replacing these wheels with SHS wheels? > > > http://showcaseline.com/Parts/wheelsets_in_stock.html > > I run only SHS cars and a few AM cars and a few AF action cars on my layout. The AF cars have SHS power wheels in them and they fit and run great. > > Look good too. > > Just a thought for a one time removal on the knuckle cars, as I am sure they work well with Link cars, as I just remember, I have them on a set of 600 series AF passenger cars. > > Mike Mike, I am familiar with them and with the all-wheel pick-up trucks available through Showcase Line. They are wonderful products. However in my case, I want to run vintage trains. Now, notice I did not say "stock vintage trains". I will do alterations, but only by re-arranging something and/or making other modifications with only vintage Flyer parts. It's just my preference. Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63776	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: Re: Cleaning Plastic Wheels

Tim,      As far as the KC truck side frames coming loose this not a problem any more. We carry repacement side frames that epoxy in and then will never come loose. Dave   LBR Enterprises, llc --- On Mon, 3/7/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cleaning Plastic Wheels To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 7, 2011, 2:51 PM   Tim, I thought that would be the answer and you are correct, as yes, that could damage the knuckle truck. How about replacing these wheels with SHS wheels? http://showcaseline.com/Parts/wheelsets_in_stock.html I run only SHS cars and a few AM cars and a few AF action cars on my layout. The AF cars have SHS power wheels in them and they fit and run great. Look good too. Just a thought for a one time removal on the knuckle cars, as I am sure they work well with Link cars, as I just remember, I have them on a set of 600 series AF passenger cars. Mike From: Timboy Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 1:54 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Cleaning Plastic Wheels --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > would it not be best to remove the wheels from the trucks, carefully before cleaning the white residue on them? > > Mike Hi Mike, That would be a good practice for linker wheel sets because they are quite easy to remove. I wouldn't advise it for knuckle truck wheel sets. The less I have to remove wheel sets from knuckle trucks the better. Those sintered side frames are notorious for coming loose. They can be re-tightened a number of different ways, but why risk getting them to that point if I don't have to. It's not just the white residue I'm after. It's the black crud that builds up on wheels as well. Most guys say to use a hair drier on the white residue and I guess that is okay in a lot of instances; such as making it disappear on knuckle truck wheel sets. However, I think it should be physically removed from linker coupler blades. Heating it with a hair drier doesn't make it come off; it makes it disappear. A transparent substance still remains and that can cause linker coupler blades to not move freely. Linker coupler blades moving freely is absolutely essential to me for proper and reliable operation. I don't really have a substance that I feel removes that white residue well. I've tried a number of different things, including lemon juice. On linker coupler blades, I use my thumbnail. If it's in and around the eye of the blade, then I try to get at it with an acid brush and lemon juice to wash it out and remove it as much as possible. Sometimes, when all else fails, I turn to my soldering gun; applying some heat to the linker bar while I wiggle the linker blade to loosen it up. I guess I ended up in a bit of a rant here. Regards, Timboy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63777	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: Re: 24558 Canadian Pacific ??

Jerry, I have a car new with the trees still in the bag. I will send you a picture. Mike From: gerald r dobbs Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 2:47 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: marski@... ; Nordhorn2@... Subject: [S-Trains] 24558 Canadian Pacific ?? I just picked a package of TRUE SCALE trees at a train show. I have had two of the 24558 Canadian Pacific flat cars in the past and sold them because they had no trees. Now I am researching these trees. They look like the trees I have seen at other train shows. and are different heights, as shower on page 136 Greenburg's book. The branches all look the same and have the green flock glued to the branches, The roots look the same & all have a joint up from the roots the ( base of the tree ) #1 tree is 3 1/4" tall, 7 branches, 3/4" up to the joint. #2 tree is 2 3/4" tall 7 branches , 1/4 " up to the joint, #3 tree is 2 3/4" tall, 6 branches, 1/2 " up to the joint. #4 tree is 2 1/2" tall, 5 branches, 3/4" up to the joint #5 tree is 2" 'tall, 5 branches, 1/2" up to the joint. The Question, did Gilbert use a same size trees or just use any height tree that true scale supplied ?? so many years ?? So many trees ?? so many second owners. of these cars. Any one having purchased one of the cars new ?? may have the answer. How many of you out there ?? Jerry 77-11644 __________________________________________________________ Mortgage Rates Hit 2.99% If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Gov't Refi Programs http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d7538d6eab6fd13m06duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63778	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: Re: Cleaning Plastic Wheels

Tim, That is understandable too. Mike From: Timboy Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 3:17 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Cleaning Plastic Wheels --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Tim, > > I thought that would be the answer and you are correct, as yes, that could damage the knuckle truck. > > How about replacing these wheels with SHS wheels? > > > http://showcaseline.com/Parts/wheelsets_in_stock.html > > I run only SHS cars and a few AM cars and a few AF action cars on my layout. The AF cars have SHS power wheels in them and they fit and run great. > > Look good too. > > Just a thought for a one time removal on the knuckle cars, as I am sure they work well with Link cars, as I just remember, I have them on a set of 600 series AF passenger cars. > > Mike Mike, I am familiar with them and with the all-wheel pick-up trucks available through Showcase Line. They are wonderful products. However in my case, I want to run vintage trains. Now, notice I did not say "stock vintage trains". I will do alterations, but only by re-arranging something and/or making other modifications with only vintage Flyer parts. It's just my preference. Regards, Timboy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63779	From: Michael.McConnell	Date: 3/7/2011
Subject: South Jersey S Gaugers Layout Display Sched

The South Jersey S Gaugers will be displaying our detailed 12' X 26', three-level high rail S Gauge sectional layout that includes many original and reproduction animated accessories at The 4-H Model Railroad Club Train Show and Sale at the Shore Mall, (Next to Burlington Coat Factory), 6725 Black Horse Pike, Egg Harbor Township, NJ on March 12 –13, 10 am to 4 pm. Admission: $ 2.00. If you make it to the show, please stop by and say Hi to the "S" crew. Hank Worrell South Jersey S Gaugers, Inc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63780	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/8/2011
Subject: Re: trying to find streetcars in S-Scale

John, I have received a couple of emails on this. I looked up my previous post on this a few months ago. I'm afraid I don't have much information. I used an Athearn F7 (I think) chassis and converted it to S using SHS wheel sets (again, I think). It was originally intended to power one of the resin GE 44 ton shells, but was too short. I held on to the power chassis a few years and last year got the idea to power the 0n30 shell. I had to do some cutting and modifying to make it work, but don't remember exactly how much. Sorry for the lack of information, but my memory is not the best in the world. Once I finish a project, I am on to the next project and forget the details of the previous. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "johntech" <beebear@...> wrote: > > I have heard about guys converting On3 engines over to S. I have viewed you > video and am interested in details how > you converted the On3 to S. Thanks for any information you can provide!! > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@...> > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 5:00 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: trying to find streetcars in S-Scale > > > >I converted a Bachmann 0n30 trolley to S and wrote a post about it here a > >few months ago. Here is the address of the you tube video I made of the > >trolley. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gbwDJEepTc > > > > Wayne >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63781	From: Scott	Date: 3/8/2011
Subject: Working Snow Blower: Is it Possible?

Hey, I am currently working on a snow-covered module. In the past, I had a baldwin switcher with a rotary plow on the front being pushed by a stationary 290. Well, with the explosion of the blower and the seizing up of the 290 ( I guess oil and woodland scenics snow does not go well with linkage and gears), I have to rebuild my animated part of my module. Now, I would like to have the rotary blower actually blow the snow, and hopefully return it to the blower some how. I was wondering if anyone had seen or done anything like this and would be willing to share their knowledge with me. Thanks. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63782	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel Reversing Handcar

LIONEL has engineers????? Jim Lyle In a message dated 3/4/2011 5:49:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, racin510@... writes: Who knows what Lionel's re-engineering of the switch might be .... but probably not an improvement. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63783	From: garydmccullah	Date: 3/8/2011
Subject: possible new 'S' seller

'S' folk, Over the weekend, I ran across a hobby shop that stocks S Helper track. It is TPA Hobby Center in Hollister, Mo (just south of Branson). They had 29 inch radius curved track and and full and 1/2 straight track. If you are looking for either, call them at 417-335-6624. Rumor has it that they will be stocking more 'S' products in the future. Gary McCullah Farmington, AR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63784	From: Dave	Date: 3/9/2011
Subject: OPEN SPOKE DRIVERS

Hello all. Well, we finally received the first batch of "OPEN SPOKE DRIVER HUBS" for the pre-1965 4-4-2, 4-6-2, 4-6-4 & 4-8-4 steamers with metal wheels. The first shipping date will be 03-16-2011 so get your orders in as the first bunch will probably not last long. For those of you that are interested in updating your steamer fleet please use the link below to view: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html Thank you all for your continuing support. For further info. please contact us off group. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63785	From: Noplowboy@aol.com	Date: 3/9/2011
Subject: Re: trying to find streetcars in S-Scale

look at on3 items and see if you can make s gauge this item is very close to s [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63786	From: Andrew Peurifoy	Date: 3/9/2011
Subject: Re: where can I get

Mike, I'm looking for a CD that's as complete as can be. Purchased one sometime back, waste of time and effort. I have both the Aurotech and K-Line books but would like to print for my work bench per your comments. Where did you buy your CD? Andy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mike boyd <toorailer@...> wrote: > > Hello, K Line printed a repair book a few years back, you still see it from time to time and Greenberg printd a more complete version. Just checked Amazon.com and they are are both in the 100.00 dollar range. Watch ebay, they are on from time to time. Portlines hobby has repair clinics on his site, very helful. I beleive Hobby Surplus Sales has online info also. There's also a repair cd people sell, nice thing about it is you can zoom and print what you need for the work bench and not dirty your book. shop around, there are deals.If you don't find what your after, I can burn and give you a copy of the cd. Let me know, Mike toorailer@... > > --- On Sun, 3/6/11, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > > > From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> > > Subject: [S-Trains] where can I get > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, March 6, 2011, 12:43 PM > > a repair manual for American Flyer > > "S"? engines > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! > > Groups Links > > > > > >     S-Trains-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63787	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/9/2011
Subject: Re: where can I get

Hi Andy, My Parts & Service Book is spiral bound 8-/2 x 11 and is much more extensive. It has new material and many more exploded views than the K-Line book. The K-Line book and the other web sites recommended by some S Group members are old exploded views and other Gilbert material. Port Lines site offers updated repair instructions that could help you but you would have to print those and put those in a book. My book is organized A to Z. Has illustrations with repair instructions. Theres no other book out there like this. Some of the members of this S-Group have bought the book. Maybe they would like to make a comment on it. I just seen a K-Line book listed on E Bay starting at $99.95 and I've seen others listed at $29.95. My book is $24.95 plus $2.50 S&H. Please email me at seccia@... if you would to buy one or if you have any questions. I have a few listed on ebay. My ebay seller handle is ssstrains. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Andrew Peurifoy <hobby@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, March 9, 2011 1:13:19 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: where can I get Mike, I'm looking for a CD that's as complete as can be. Purchased one sometime back, waste of time and effort. I have both the Aurotech and K-Line books but would like to print for my work bench per your comments. Where did you buy your CD? Andy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mike boyd <toorailer@...> wrote: > > Hello, K Line printed a repair book a few years back, you still see it from >time to time and Greenberg printd a more complete version. Just checked >Amazon.com and they are are both in the 100.00 dollar range. Watch ebay, they >are on from time to time. Portlines hobby has repair clinics on his site, very >helful. I beleive Hobby Surplus Sales has online info also. There's also a >repair cd people sell, nice thing about it is you can zoom and print what you >need for the work bench and not dirty your book. shop around, there are deals.If >you don't find what your after, I can burn and give you a copy of the cd. Let me >know, Mike toorailer@... > > --- On Sun, 3/6/11, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > > > From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> > > Subject: [S-Trains] where can I get > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, March 6, 2011, 12:43 PM > > a repair manual for American Flyer > > "S"? engines > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! > > Groups Links > > > > > > S-Trains-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63788	From: johntech	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: Good News for me

I finally have found a "S" group here in NW Ohio! I met a guy at the Columbus train show last weekend and my name got passed along. I will be attending my first meeting next Tuesday. There may be help for my first layout yet !! lol John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63789	From: Ben	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: DC and accessories

Hello all- I am planning on adding DC capabilities to my layout for selected converted AF locos and newer DC models. I will use proper bridge rectifiers to make the switch and will be able to go back and forth between AC and DC depending on my needs. Currently I have accessories being operated by the same transformer and will need to do some decoding of my somewhat jumbled wiring. My question is whether or not original AF accessories- barrel loader, baggage loader, cattle yard, etc. will run on DC power? If not- I think I have two options: 1) split to DC AFTER the accessory power goes out to the layout, but obviously before the track leads go out 2)isolate all accessories that are completely independent of track power to the Lionel ZW that resides under the layout and have fun regulating the power. Any ideas or advice appreciated! Thanks- Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63790	From: Donald Keil	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: New s club

We have just formed a S & AF club in Grand Rapids Mi. Any one living in western Mi and interested in receiving information please e mail me Don Keil dlkeil@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63791	From: Timboy	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: Re: DC and accessories

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote: > > Hello all- > > I am planning on adding DC capabilities to my layout for selected converted AF locos and newer DC models. I will use proper bridge rectifiers to make the switch and will be able to go back and forth between AC and DC depending on my needs. > > Currently I have accessories being operated by the same transformer and will need to do some decoding of my somewhat jumbled wiring. My question is whether or not original AF accessories- barrel loader, baggage loader, cattle yard, etc. will run on DC power? > > If not- I think I have two options: > > 1) split to DC AFTER the accessory power goes out to the layout, but obviously before the track leads go out > 2)isolate all accessories that are completely independent of track power to the Lionel ZW that resides under the layout and have fun regulating the power. > > Any ideas or advice appreciated! > > Thanks- Ben > Hi Ben, I believe the accessories you mentioned will work just fine on DC. However, you may have trouble operating a Semaphore on DC. I did, some years back. Good luck! Timboy, An American Flyer Nerd

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63792	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: DC and accessories

The rule of thumb used to be that any Gilbert accessory that ran independent of track power could be left AC. Light bulbs will work on either with no problem. The old Gilbert "Operating Cars" have problems with their solenoid/vibrator "motors." They don't work as well on DC and eventually the "slug" inside will become magnetized and the "motor" will be ruined. (I found this out with an operating brakeman caboose.) However, the new versions of these cars are operated completely different, using DC can motors, and are unaffected by running on DC power. My Flyonel "Walking Brakeman" boxcar has worked fine for several years. Perhaps others can add to thios information. Stumpy Stone...along the swollen Ohio River.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63793	From: Timboy	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader

Hi Everyone: I wrote a new post on my blog about the effort to make my vintage 770 Package Loader work a little better. Here is a link: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ If anyone has any more tips to share on the above, I would be happy to edit my post and give credit. Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63794	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: Re: Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader

Hi Tim, My 770 works fine. I placed a rheostat on one wire leading to it. I can adjust the voltage and fine-tune to get "Elvis" to push a box all the way down the chute and move out of the way without getting hung up on the next box. With a very slippery chute as you have, very little voltage would be required and I could see that "Elvis" might get hung up on the next box. You can see my 770 videos here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRSVi5hHNzU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vap-l8Pcyvk Run `em if you got `em! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > Hi Everyone: > > I wrote a new post on my blog about the effort to make my vintage 770 Package Loader work a little better. Here is a link: > > http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ > > If anyone has any more tips to share on the above, I would be happy to edit my post and give credit. > > Regards, > Timboy >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63795	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: Re: DC and accessories

Hi Ben, Isolation is a good thing. Consider wiring a couple of busses - track power in one set and accessory power in a few more (depending on the size of your layout. I have a couple of pictures posted: http://wpporter.duckburg.us/zot2009_3.htm down at the bottom and http://wpporter.duckburg.us/szot2002_2.htm The terminal strips I use are the solder type because they are cheaper than the screw terminals. I have used the screw type (barrier strips) and they are very nice for adding in more stuff when the time is right. The idea of wiring a bus for each circuit is that there are wires and power connections all over the place for whatever you need in the future. You do all the wiring of the basic bus at one time. Then, you just hook up two wires to add something else. Think about it. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:19 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] DC and accessories Hello all- I am planning on adding DC capabilities to my layout for selected converted AF locos and newer DC models. I will use proper bridge rectifiers to make the switch and will be able to go back and forth between AC and DC depending on my needs. Currently I have accessories being operated by the same transformer and will need to do some decoding of my somewhat jumbled wiring. My question is whether or not original AF accessories- barrel loader, baggage loader, cattle yard, etc. will run on DC power? If not- I think I have two options: 1) split to DC AFTER the accessory power goes out to the layout, but obviously before the track leads go out 2)isolate all accessories that are completely independent of track power to the Lionel ZW that resides under the layout and have fun regulating the power. Any ideas or advice appreciated! Thanks- Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63796	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: Re: New s club

Welcome aboard!!!  Glad to see S growing. Here is a link to our club's website in the hope that it may give you some ideas.  Let me know when you get a website built so I can link to it. Feel free to link to our site from yours.                https://sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/ Bob Graves San Diego S-Gaugers Treasurer and Webmaster --- On Thu, 3/10/11, Donald Keil <dlkeil@...> wrote: From: Donald Keil <dlkeil@...> Subject: [S-Trains] New s club To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 10, 2011, 4:14 AM   We have just formed a S & AF club in Grand Rapids Mi. Any one living in western Mi and interested in receiving information please e mail me Don Keil dlkeil@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63797	From: Timboy	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: Re: Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi Tim, > > My 770 works fine. I placed a rheostat on one wire leading to it. I can adjust the voltage and fine-tune to get "Elvis" to push a box all the way down the chute and move out of the way without getting hung up on the next box. With a very slippery chute as you have, very little voltage would be required and I could see that "Elvis" might get hung up on the next box. > > You can see my 770 videos here: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRSVi5hHNzU > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vap-l8Pcyvk > > Run `em if you got `em! > > BG1 BG1: I was under the impression that a common rheostat was ineffective for low voltages. What is the spec on the one you use and where did you get it. Please and thank you. OBTW; nice 770! Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63798	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: Re: Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader

BG1- Are your baggage cubes metal or plastic? Mine are metal repros and pretty rough. I'm trying to think of a way to polish them, too. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:11:36 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader Hi Tim, My 770 works fine. I placed a rheostat on one wire leading to it. I can adjust the voltage and fine-tune to get "Elvis" to push a box all the way down the chute and move out of the way without getting hung up on the next box. With a very slippery chute as you have, very little voltage would be required and I could see that "Elvis" might get hung up on the next box. You can see my 770 videos here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRSVi5hHNzU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vap-l8Pcyvk Run `em if you got `em! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > Hi Everyone: > > I wrote a new post on my blog about the effort to make my vintage 770 Package Loader work a little better. Here is a link: > > http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ > > If anyone has any more tips to share on the above, I would be happy to edit my post and give credit. > > Regards, > Timboy > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63799	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: Re: New s club

Thanks Bob, I was enjoying this thread even though I live far from either club. Then I noticed that I did not have a link to your site on my links page. I hope it is OK that I have now added your club to that page: http://wpporter.duckburg.us/organizations.htm Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Graves Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 12:59 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New s club Welcome aboard!!!  Glad to see S growing. Here is a link to our club's website in the hope that it may give you some ideas.  Let me know when you get a website built so I can link to it. Feel free to link to our site from yours.                https://sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/ Bob Graves San Diego S-Gaugers Treasurer and Webmaster

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63800	From: Don Birdey	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: Re: Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader

Thanks for posting all your progress on your new setup. Quite informative and interesting. I tried many ways to make the 770 chute more "slippy", from powdered graphite, polishing, baby powder, to waxing, as you did. I finally wound up decreasing the friction on the chute by using two pieces of 15 pound stainless steel fishing leader. I cut two tiny notches on each end of the chute then bent the two wires around the notches and secured them to the back of the chute with scotch tape. The packages would "fly" down the chute which enabled me to bend the hand of Elvis slghtly so that his hand would not extend beyond the edge of the next package. Even this fix only allowed one package to be loaded at a time because the package would not roll down the car rollers without a turn around the track. My train was a toy to be used. Purists may not want to make this chute modification...but it surely works well. Regards, Don Birdey  <style type="text/css"></style> ----- Original Message ---- From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 8:38:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader Hi Everyone: I wrote a new post on my blog about the effort to make my vintage 770 Package Loader work a little better.  Here is a link: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ If anyone has any more tips to share on the above, I would be happy to edit my post and give credit. Regards, Timboy ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63801	From: Dennis Back	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: Re: Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader

I too, had problems with my 770 when I first set it up on my layout.  I tried the polishing, wax, graphite, WD-40 and wax.  Never used a rheostat though. Looking at it now, what I did was use some shims in the rear corners of the base to raise it up.  Although both sides at the back are raised,  I have it a bit higher on the left side, where "Elvis" is.  Works for me. That's my 770 story.  :-) Dennis in So. FL. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63802	From: rick gough	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: Re: Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader

I've redone 4 of these and have two working perfectly on my layout. The other two, which I didn't have room for, are available for sale. They work and look very good. I didn't find the polishing the ramp to be the answer though it helps. For me the cubes have to go into a box car and start down the roller conveyor. This requires force. Like 18 volts. Elvis more or less throws the crates down the ramp, ala your local UPS terminal. He also jumps back as quickly as possible but still often hangs up on the next spring fed cube. The only answer here is the 'tool' that AC failed to provide. Elvis needs a 'handle' attached to his hand, trailing back about 5/32" behind him; it blocks the cube until he can get back behind it allowing it to spring into proper position. I can supply a picture if anyone is interested, or as I said have two available. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63803	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: Re: Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader

Jim, My 770 baggage cubes are metal and relatively smooth. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jimensign50@... wrote: > > BG1- > Are your baggage cubes metal or plastic? Mine are metal repros and pretty rough. I'm trying to think of a way to polish them, too. > Jim E. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:11:36 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader > > > > > > > Hi Tim, > > My 770 works fine. I placed a rheostat on one wire leading to it. I can adjust the voltage and fine-tune to get "Elvis" to push a box all the way down the chute and move out of the way without getting hung up on the next box. With a very slippery chute as you have, very little voltage would be required and I could see that "Elvis" might get hung up on the next box. > > You can see my 770 videos here: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRSVi5hHNzU > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vap-l8Pcyvk > > Run `em if you got `em! > > BG1 > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , "Timboy" <timstrains2000@> wrote: > > > > Hi Everyone: > > > > I wrote a new post on my blog about the effort to make my vintage 770 Package Loader work a little better. Here is a link: > > > > http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ > > > > If anyone has any more tips to share on the above, I would be happy to edit my post and give credit. > > > > Regards, > > Timboy > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63804	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/10/2011
Subject: Re: Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader

Hi Tim, I use Radio Shack rheostat 271-265. It's 25 ohm - 3 watt. I use them on most of my accessories because I use an 18V 30B and need to cut the voltage down depending on the accessory. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@> wrote: > > > > Hi Tim, > > > > My 770 works fine. I placed a rheostat on one wire leading to it. I can adjust the voltage and fine-tune to get "Elvis" to push a box all the way down the chute and move out of the way without getting hung up on the next box. With a very slippery chute as you have, very little voltage would be required and I could see that "Elvis" might get hung up on the next box. > > > > You can see my 770 videos here: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRSVi5hHNzU > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vap-l8Pcyvk > > > > Run `em if you got `em! > > > > BG1 > > BG1: > > I was under the impression that a common rheostat was ineffective for low voltages. What is the spec on the one you use and where did you get it. Please and thank you. OBTW; nice 770! > > Regards, > Timboy >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63805	From: Timboy	Date: 3/11/2011
Subject: Re: Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi Tim, > > I use Radio Shack rheostat 271-265. It's 25 ohm - 3 watt. I use them on most of my accessories because I use an 18V 30B and need to cut the voltage down depending on the accessory. > > BG1 > BG1: Thank you for sharing that! I'll have to stop there and find out they don't stock it. lol Then I'll buy one online. Thanks again, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63806	From: Lamont Heppe	Date: 3/11/2011
Subject: Re: DC and accessories

Any original Flyer accessory with an AC induction motor (oil drum loader, and log loaders) will not work on DC.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63807	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/11/2011
Subject: Re: Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader

Just from what i can see in your picture, I think yours are smoother than mine. I've polished the ramp pretty well, so maybe I'll file down one side of the cubes and polish them as well. I also have to find a way to secure "Elvis" to the platform better. He can wobble after whacking a few packages. Maybe he's just getting tired! :) Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 6:39:09 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader Jim, My 770 baggage cubes are metal and relatively smooth. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , jimensign50@... wrote: > > BG1- > Are your baggage cubes metal or plastic? Mine are metal repros and pretty rough. I'm trying to think of a way to polish them, too. > Jim E. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:11:36 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader > > > > > > > Hi Tim, > > My 770 works fine. I placed a rheostat on one wire leading to it. I can adjust the voltage and fine-tune to get "Elvis" to push a box all the way down the chute and move out of the way without getting hung up on the next box. With a very slippery chute as you have, very little voltage would be required and I could see that "Elvis" might get hung up on the next box. > > You can see my 770 videos here: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRSVi5hHNzU > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vap-l8Pcyvk > > Run `em if you got `em! > > BG1 > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , "Timboy" <timstrains2000@> wrote: > > > > Hi Everyone: > > > > I wrote a new post on my blog about the effort to make my vintage 770 Package Loader work a little better. Here is a link: > > > > http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ > > > > If anyone has any more tips to share on the above, I would be happy to edit my post and give credit. > > > > Regards, > > Timboy > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63808	From: bstilesaf	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: DC and accessories

Thanks to all who responded. I will isolate my accessories to AC power output from my under-table ZW. Many are already tethered to that transformer anyway. I will use my 19B and 30B transformers only for track power with the ability to change from AC to DC as desired. I think I will run to Radio Shack to purchase some bridge rectifiers this afternoon and then goof around this weekend on tracing wires and getting things changed over and/or properly connected to meet my goals! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Lamont Heppe <monteheppe@...> wrote: > > Any original Flyer accessory with an AC induction motor (oil drum loader, and log loaders) will not work on DC. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63809	From: Jim	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius?

Anyone out there aware of a source for roadbed to fit the newer 54 in. radius Flyer track? Looking for something similar to the old vintage gray stuff. Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63810	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader

Tuning a Vintage 770 Package Loader; coat there chute with some Silicone oil. works for me Jerry 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Groupon™ Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d7b84b3cd1b89792m06duc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63811	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius?

Jim, check out roadbed.net the website for Rick Johnson Rubber Roadbed. I believe he only manufactures it in black, but he does have it for the 54" radius curve track. I have a lot of it on my layout and it looks great. Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jimensign50@...> wrote: > > Anyone out there aware of a source for roadbed to fit the newer 54 in. radius Flyer track? Looking for something similar to the old vintage gray stuff. > Jim E. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63812	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius?

On 3/12/2011 7:47 AM, acgilbertguy wrote: > > > Jim, check out roadbed.net the website for Rick Johnson Rubber Roadbed. > I believe he only manufactures it in black, but he does have it for the > 54" radius curve track. I have a lot of it on my layout and it looks > great. Rich And if the color isn't to your liking, check out the Sem brand vinyl upholstery sprays available at most auto parts or paint stores. I have used the black to spray old gray roadbed so it matches the black. I'm pretty sure they have a gray as it comes in many colors. Its made for recoloring automotive upholstery so I'm sure it will stand up to roadbed traffic for a long time. :-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63813	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius?

I went back and retyped it. I made a typo as my A key is broken and not working right. New keyboard coming up payday. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: gwcohn@... Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 08:03:43 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius? On 3/12/2011 7:47 AM, acgilbertguy wrote: > > > Jim, check out roadbed.net the website for Rick Johnson Rubber Roadbed. > I believe he only manufactures it in black, but he does have it for the > 54" radius curve track. I have a lot of it on my layout and it looks > great. Rich And if the color isn't to your liking, check out the Sem brand vinyl upholstery sprays available at most auto parts or paint stores. I have used the black to spray old gray roadbed so it matches the black. I'm pretty sure they have a gray as it comes in many colors. Its made for recoloring automotive upholstery so I'm sure it will stand up to roadbed traffic for a long time. :-) George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63814	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius?

I just typed www.rodbed.net and was told it does not exist? Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: gwcohn@... Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 08:03:43 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius? On 3/12/2011 7:47 AM, acgilbertguy wrote: > > > Jim, check out roadbed.net the website for Rick Johnson Rubber Roadbed. > I believe he only manufactures it in black, but he does have it for the > 54" radius curve track. I have a lot of it on my layout and it looks > great. Rich And if the color isn't to your liking, check out the Sem brand vinyl upholstery sprays available at most auto parts or paint stores. I have used the black to spray old gray roadbed so it matches the black. I'm pretty sure they have a gray as it comes in many colors. Its made for recoloring automotive upholstery so I'm sure it will stand up to roadbed traffic for a long time. :-) George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63815	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius?

Jim, You might have to cut your own from homasote or maybe even upson board. There is knife blade available to fit a saber saw that works pretty well. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: jimensign50@... Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 06:18:14 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Roadbed for 54 in. Radius? Anyone out there aware of a source for roadbed to fit the newer 54 in. radius Flyer track? Looking for something similar to the old vintage gray stuff. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63816	From: richs009	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius?

Answer and Question: I just looked at Johnson's website (www.roadbed.net) and contrary to rumors of about a year or so ago, they do seem to be in business and do make black, wide-tie rubber roadbed for the 10-in straight, 40-in-diameter curve and 54-in-diameter curve tracks. I didn't call or email them to see whether, in fact, they are accepting orders, etc. My question is - has anyone ever seen roadbed for the 36 in long K-line (I think its K-line) straight track sections? Unfortunately the spacing between the metal ties is not the same as that for "regular" 10 inch AF track - though I suppose I could either 'kitbash' some regular roadbed (ooog, that's a lot of cutting and 'gluing' with contact cement) or respace the ties to match 3+ pieces of 10 inch Flyer track. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "acgilbertguy" <milepost407@...> wrote: > > > > Jim, check out roadbed.net the website for Rick Johnson Rubber Roadbed. I believe he only manufactures it in black, but he does have it for the 54" radius curve track. I have a lot of it on my layout and it looks great. Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jimensign50@> wrote: > > > > Anyone out there aware of a source for roadbed to fit the newer 54 in. radius Flyer track? Looking for something similar to the old vintage gray stuff. > > Jim E. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63817	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius?

http://roadbed.net/ Mike From: Robert Lampe Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:27 AM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius? I just typed www.rodbed.net and was told it does not exist? Bob in Butte To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com From: mailto:gwcohn%40gmail.com Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 08:03:43 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius? On 3/12/2011 7:47 AM, acgilbertguy wrote: > > > Jim, check out roadbed.net the website for Rick Johnson Rubber Roadbed. > I believe he only manufactures it in black, but he does have it for the > 54" radius curve track. I have a lot of it on my layout and it looks > great. Rich And if the color isn't to your liking, check out the Sem brand vinyl upholstery sprays available at most auto parts or paint stores. I have used the black to spray old gray roadbed so it matches the black. I'm pretty sure they have a gray as it comes in many colors. Its made for recoloring automotive upholstery so I'm sure it will stand up to roadbed traffic for a long time. :-) George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63818	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Roadbed for 54" radius

Gee how about plain old cork roadbed? Easier to work than homasote and much less dusty as well. Good sound deadeniong properties. Cut down O gauge roadbed and keep the cut oiffs for fitting odd areas or to place accessories on, also deadening some of their sound. Stumpy along the flooded Ohio River.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63819	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54" radius

I heard you can use HO & O cork roadbed, just using half from each to make S. Mike In a message dated 3/12/2011 2:07:41 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mrstumpy@... writes: Gee how about plain old cork roadbed? Easier to work than homasote and much less dusty as well. Good sound deadeniong properties. Cut down O gauge roadbed and keep the cut oiffs for fitting odd areas or to place accessories on, also deadening some of their sound. Stumpy along the flooded Ohio River. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63820	From: May Cunningham	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius?

Check out Porline Hobby Supply for the rubber roadbed also.  --- On Sat, 3/12/11, Jim <jimensign50@...> wrote: From: Jim <jimensign50@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Roadbed for 54 in. Radius? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 12, 2011, 6:18 AM   Anyone out there aware of a source for roadbed to fit the newer 54 in. radius Flyer track? Looking for something similar to the old vintage gray stuff. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63821	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54" radius

Hi Stump, Corkbed is most likely better if you're using Gargraves, American Models or American "S" Gauge track. One half "O" and one half HO makes perfect "S" Gauge roadbed. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, March 12, 2011 4:11:09 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Roadbed for 54" radius Gee how about plain old cork roadbed? Easier to work than homasote and much less dusty as well. Good sound deadeniong properties. Cut down O gauge roadbed and keep the cut oiffs for fitting odd areas or to place accessories on, also deadening some of their sound. Stumpy along the flooded Ohio River. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63822	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius?

Thanks, this is what I'm looking for. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 12:10:19 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius? http://roadbed.net/ Mike From: Robert Lampe Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:27 AM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius? I just typed www.rodbed.net and was told it does not exist? Bob in Butte To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com From: mailto:gwcohn%40gmail.com Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 08:03:43 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius? On 3/12/2011 7:47 AM, acgilbertguy wrote: > > > Jim, check out roadbed.net the website for Rick Johnson Rubber Roadbed. > I believe he only manufactures it in black, but he does have it for the > 54" radius curve track. I have a lot of it on my layout and it looks > great. Rich And if the color isn't to your liking, check out the Sem brand vinyl upholstery sprays available at most auto parts or paint stores. I have used the black to spray old gray roadbed so it matches the black. I'm pretty sure they have a gray as it comes in many colors. Its made for recoloring automotive upholstery so I'm sure it will stand up to roadbed traffic for a long time. :-) George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63823	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius?

You are welcome, as I just googled roadbed. Mike From: jimensign50@... Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 7:54 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius? Thanks, this is what I'm looking for. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 12:10:19 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius? http://roadbed.net/ Mike From: Robert Lampe Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:27 AM To: mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius? I just typed www.rodbed.net and was told it does not exist? Bob in Butte To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com From: mailto:gwcohn%40gmail.com Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 08:03:43 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Roadbed for 54 in. Radius? On 3/12/2011 7:47 AM, acgilbertguy wrote: > > > Jim, check out roadbed.net the website for Rick Johnson Rubber Roadbed. > I believe he only manufactures it in black, but he does have it for the > 54" radius curve track. I have a lot of it on my layout and it looks > great. Rich And if the color isn't to your liking, check out the Sem brand vinyl upholstery sprays available at most auto parts or paint stores. I have used the black to spray old gray roadbed so it matches the black. I'm pretty sure they have a gray as it comes in many colors. Its made for recoloring automotive upholstery so I'm sure it will stand up to roadbed traffic for a long time. :-) George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63824	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54" radius

ANOTHER QUESTION..... HAS ANYBODY TRIED USING THE OLD AF RUBBER  STUFF AND REBENDING THE RAIL TO A LARGER RADIUS..... STRETCHING THE ROADBED TO MATCH?????..... ALL MY RUBBER IS NARROW TIE.... I HAVE SEEN THIS ON THE DISPLAY LAYOUT THAT FLYER DID BUT USING ONE PIECE RAIL BENT TO A DIFFERENT RADIUS..... BOB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63825	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/13/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54" radius

Has anyone tried using a hair drier or heat gun to try and reshape the roadbed? Mike In a message dated 3/12/2011 9:19:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, rcon7@... writes: ANOTHER QUESTION..... HAS ANYBODY TRIED USING THE OLD AF RUBBER STUFF AND REBENDING THE RAIL TO A LARGER RADIUS..... STRETCHING THE ROADBED TO MATCH?????..... ALL MY RUBBER IS NARROW TIE.... I HAVE SEEN THIS ON THE DISPLAY LAYOUT THAT FLYER DID BUT USING ONE PIECE RAIL BENT TO A DIFFERENT RADIUS..... BOB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63826	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/13/2011
Subject: Roadbed for 54" radius

I have seen a nice O gauge layout that use the rubber bed seal material made for putting campers or bed caps on pick up trucks. It comes in rolls and pretty much silenced old Lionel trains with metal wheels on old Lionel tubular rail track, quite and accomplishment! Mixing O and HO cork roadbed has the problem of the HO material not being as thick as the O gauge, so you must shim the HO cork up to height. Cork roadbed under Flyer track looks very nice with the missing extra ties placed and a nice ballast job. But if you are looking for the "authentic" original look, you really should use either the old rubber roadbed, or none at all. Being a "Hi-railer" not a collector, I like the track to look realistic. But that's just me. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63827	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/13/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/13/2011, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 63828	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/13/2011
Subject: Model Builder Magazine on-line

Primarily an O gauge magazine, but it had some very good articles and a lot of plans.. http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/browse Looks like they've posted 1937-39 Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63829	From: johntech	Date: 3/13/2011
Subject: Re: Model Builder Magazine on-line

Thank you for the find and the link! Just skimming through the first magazine, there was an artical about a coal mine. Something I will be modeling soon. John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brady Burdge" <brady@...> To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 6:05 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Model Builder Magazine on-line > Primarily an O gauge magazine, but it had some very good articles and a > lot of plans.. > > http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/browse > > Looks like they've posted 1937-39 > > > Brady Burdge > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63830	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/13/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54" radius

Hi Stumpy, Mid-West HO & O Corkbed line up perfectly for "S" Gauge. I used to sell it when I had a train s store. "S"enery Unlimited has Railbed which is the correct size for all "S" Gauge track and there is another product on the market called Homabed. "S"cenery Unlimited also handles Johnson's roadbed. I believe Port Lines may also have a product line for "S roadbed and I'm pretty sure they handle Johnson's roadbed. What type of roadbed are you using on your layout? I'm with you I like realistic track and ballast. Showcase Line "S" Helper is the best looking track out there. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, March 13, 2011 10:25:42 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Roadbed for 54" radius I have seen a nice O gauge layout that use the rubber bed seal material made for putting campers or bed caps on pick up trucks. It comes in rolls and pretty much silenced old Lionel trains with metal wheels on old Lionel tubular rail track, quite and accomplishment! Mixing O and HO cork roadbed has the problem of the HO material not being as thick as the O gauge, so you must shim the HO cork up to height. Cork roadbed under Flyer track looks very nice with the missing extra ties placed and a nice ballast job. But if you are looking for the "authentic" original look, you really should use either the old rubber roadbed, or none at all. Being a "Hi-railer" not a collector, I like the track to look realistic. But that's just me. Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63831	From: Timboy	Date: 3/13/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54" radius

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > I have seen a nice O gauge layout that use the rubber bed seal material made for putting campers or bed caps on pick up trucks. It comes in rolls and pretty much silenced old Lionel trains with metal wheels on old Lionel tubular rail track, quite and accomplishment! > Mixing O and HO cork roadbed has the problem of the HO material not being as thick as the O gauge, so you must shim the HO cork up to height. > Cork roadbed under Flyer track looks very nice with the missing extra ties placed and a nice ballast job. But if you are looking for the "authentic" original look, you really should use either the old rubber roadbed, or none at all. > Being a "Hi-railer" not a collector, I like the track to look realistic. But that's just me. > Stumpy in Appalachia > Stumpy: Not sure what O & HO cork roadbed you are looking at, but the ones I used a while back were exactly the same thickness. Maybe I just got lucky. Jeez, why is my luck confined to model RR'ing! lol But anyway, why stock two different gauges. Just use HO cork roadbed and put a gap down the middle between the two sides. It gets filled with ballast anyway. And OBTW, don't put expensive ballast in that crack. Fill it with sand, then top with expensive ballast. Or, if you are like me (and if you are, then I pity you), harvest your own ballast from public places in the middle of the day; you thought I was gonna say night. Nope. Blend in. Have a dog with you. I can harvest or observe almost anything, pretending to walk my dog. Oops... Regards, Timboy, An American Flyer Nerd

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63832	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/13/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54" radius

Hi Mike, There is no method or process to make the rubber roadbed a larger radius. This roadbed is molded solid and only moves to insert the metal ties. I've seen some straight roadbed reformed to curve sections but there were a number of "V" cuts on side side to make the bends and of course there were missing pieces. As far as reshaping the track, can't be done unless you have real high heat. Gargraves, "S" Helper, American Models and American "S" Gauge all make flex track to bend. Lionel has 54" and Gilbert made half-curves and half-straights to extend the radius of original American Flyer track. You might want to consider some other options before you wreck some of your American Flyer track and roadbed. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, March 13, 2011 1:05:15 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Roadbed for 54" radius Has anyone tried using a hair drier or heat gun to try and reshape the roadbed? Mike In a message dated 3/12/2011 9:19:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, rcon7@... writes: ANOTHER QUESTION..... HAS ANYBODY TRIED USING THE OLD AF RUBBER STUFF AND REBENDING THE RAIL TO A LARGER RADIUS..... STRETCHING THE ROADBED TO MATCH?????..... ALL MY RUBBER IS NARROW TIE.... I HAVE SEEN THIS ON THE DISPLAY LAYOUT THAT FLYER DID BUT USING ONE PIECE RAIL BENT TO A DIFFERENT RADIUS..... BOB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63833	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 3/13/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54" radius

I typed www.homabed.com and it came up as California roadbed Company inc To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: trainsandhobbies@... Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:02:06 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Roadbed for 54" radius Hi Mike, There is no method or process to make the rubber roadbed a larger radius. This roadbed is molded solid and only moves to insert the metal ties. I've seen some straight roadbed reformed to curve sections but there were a number of "V" cuts on side side to make the bends and of course there were missing pieces. As far as reshaping the track, can't be done unless you have real high heat. Gargraves, "S" Helper, American Models and American "S" Gauge all make flex track to bend. Lionel has 54" and Gilbert made half-curves and half-straights to extend the radius of original American Flyer track. You might want to consider some other options before you wreck some of your American Flyer track and roadbed. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, March 13, 2011 1:05:15 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Roadbed for 54" radius Has anyone tried using a hair drier or heat gun to try and reshape the roadbed? Mike In a message dated 3/12/2011 9:19:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, rcon7@... writes: ANOTHER QUESTION..... HAS ANYBODY TRIED USING THE OLD AF RUBBER STUFF AND REBENDING THE RAIL TO A LARGER RADIUS..... STRETCHING THE ROADBED TO MATCH?????..... ALL MY RUBBER IS NARROW TIE.... I HAVE SEEN THIS ON THE DISPLAY LAYOUT THAT FLYER DID BUT USING ONE PIECE RAIL BENT TO A DIFFERENT RADIUS..... BOB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63834	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/13/2011
Subject: Roadbed for 54" radius

We sold cork roadbed from Midwest and Walthers at the hobby shop. As I recall O was 1/4" and HO was 3/16". We also sold two brands of roll flexible roadbed, and even had a few pieces of the old Tru-Scale milled wood roadbed in stock when the shop closed. I had forgotten about using HO roadbed and spreading it to S width. Thanks Tim, I must be getting old. When it comes down to it, I guess that whatever works for you and is affordable is the right stuff. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63835	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/14/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54" radius

From: Alan Lambert   pullup the site again. then go to the left side and click on  about homasote. This is the site I used when I got mine. S-Helper's website will send you here as well for the roadbed for their  flex track that I have. Hope this helps. Alan --- On Sun, 3/13/11, Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote: From: Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE:Roadbed for 54" radius To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 13, 2011, 10:25 PM   I typed www.homabed.com and it came up as California roadbed Company inc To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: trainsandhobbies@... Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:02:06 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Roadbed for 54" radius Hi Mike, There is no method or process to make the rubber roadbed a larger radius. This roadbed is molded solid and only moves to insert the metal ties. I've seen some straight roadbed reformed to curve sections but there were a number of "V" cuts on side side to make the bends and of course there were missing pieces. As far as reshaping the track, can't be done unless you have real high heat. Gargraves, "S" Helper, American Models and American "S" Gauge all make flex track to bend. Lionel has 54" and Gilbert made half-curves and half-straights to extend the radius of original American Flyer track. You might want to consider some other options before you wreck some of your American Flyer track and roadbed. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: "anormal1@..." <anormal1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, March 13, 2011 1:05:15 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Roadbed for 54" radius Has anyone tried using a hair drier or heat gun to try and reshape the roadbed? Mike In a message dated 3/12/2011 9:19:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, rcon7@... writes: ANOTHER QUESTION..... HAS ANYBODY TRIED USING THE OLD AF RUBBER STUFF AND REBENDING THE RAIL TO A LARGER RADIUS..... STRETCHING THE ROADBED TO MATCH?????..... ALL MY RUBBER IS NARROW TIE.... I HAVE SEEN THIS ON THE DISPLAY LAYOUT THAT FLYER DID BUT USING ONE PIECE RAIL BENT TO A DIFFERENT RADIUS..... BOB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63836	From: Ray Puls	Date: 3/14/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54" radius

There is an article on Carl Tuveson's website on re-bending American Flyer track. It can be done without high heat but is a labor of love that will take time and effort. If you want the original look of the tinplate track and don't want to spend up to $5.00 per section I suppose this may be the way to go. Check out Carl's "S" Gauge Empire. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63837	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/14/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54" radius

Thanks, but found exactly what I was looking for at Johnson Roadbed. Now I just have to fund the project!! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Lambert" <adlbert1950@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 9:53:21 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE:Roadbed for 54" radius From: Alan Lambert pullup the site again. then go to the left side and click on about homasote. This is the site I used when I got mine. S-Helper's website will send you here as well for the roadbed for their flex track that I have. Hope this helps. Alan --- On Sun, 3/13/11, Robert Lampe < danceswithwolves49@... > wrote: From: Robert Lampe < danceswithwolves49@... > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE:Roadbed for 54" radius To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 13, 2011, 10:25 PM I typed www.homabed.com and it came up as California roadbed Company inc To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: trainsandhobbies@... Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:02:06 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Roadbed for 54" radius Hi Mike, There is no method or process to make the rubber roadbed a larger radius. This roadbed is molded solid and only moves to insert the metal ties. I've seen some straight roadbed reformed to curve sections but there were a number of "V" cuts on side side to make the bends and of course there were missing pieces. As far as reshaping the track, can't be done unless you have real high heat. Gargraves, "S" Helper, American Models and American "S" Gauge all make flex track to bend. Lionel has 54" and Gilbert made half-curves and half-straights to extend the radius of original American Flyer track. You might want to consider some other options before you wreck some of your American Flyer track and roadbed. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: " anormal1@... " < anormal1@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, March 13, 2011 1:05:15 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Roadbed for 54" radius Has anyone tried using a hair drier or heat gun to try and reshape the roadbed? Mike In a message dated 3/12/2011 9:19:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, rcon7@... writes: ANOTHER QUESTION..... HAS ANYBODY TRIED USING THE OLD AF RUBBER STUFF AND REBENDING THE RAIL TO A LARGER RADIUS..... STRETCHING THE ROADBED TO MATCH?????..... ALL MY RUBBER IS NARROW TIE.... I HAVE SEEN THIS ON THE DISPLAY LAYOUT THAT FLYER DID BUT USING ONE PIECE RAIL BENT TO A DIFFERENT RADIUS..... BOB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63838	From: wmfadamsny1	Date: 3/14/2011
Subject: Sticky Link Couplers

Thanks to everyone who replied on and off group to my request for help with sticky link couplers. I'm German and was NOT going to let a three dollar part get the best of me. I tried immersing them in hot water and found the threshold for pain to human skin is 117 degrees. The dish detergent and hot water didn't help. I scrubbed the links with a toothbrush until I splashed the soapy water in my eyes. Damn, that hurt. Next, I tried WD-40 - no luck. Then it was a silicone spray. You people are right - don't get that stuff on the white script. One passenger car now reads NEW HA 650 and a caboose reads DING 30. Then I tried the hair dryer. I knocked over the cup with the water and detergent onto the dryer. Never realized how much a hair dryer would spark. It tripped the breaker and fried the dryer - wife not happy. I tried sewing machine oil and got it all over my fingers. That stuff is slippery. I picked up my pencil sized razor knife to move it and naturally it slipped through my fingers. It harpooned my left hand like Captain Ahab spearing Moby Dick. I didn't realize how much and how far blood could spurt out of a hand. I learned two important lessons. First is masking tape and blue painters tape won't stop bleeding. Duck tape is the best - three wraps will stop anything. (I wasn't going to try running across the carpeted floor pumping blood out.) The second is if you paint balsa wood buildings, it doesn't matter if you use latex or oil based paint. Balsa wood sucks blood right through any paint. After each attempt, I would gave the cars a spin around the track to check it out. Well, I guess I didn't wipe off all the oils, silicone, WD-40, blood and detergent. The track got a little slick. It's an over and under figure 8 with a nasty "tighter than spec" sharp curve on the downward slope. I launched that 322 off the rails like a Polaris missile. It broadsided my Royal Blue parked on the outside loop (where the ties are even with the edge of the table). Remember the climactic seen from the movie Bridge over River Kwai when the locomotive and cars went off the bridge into the gorge? Axles, wheels and small plastic parts flew everywhere. Then I tried a soldering iron to heat up the link pin. I didn't let it cool off enough before stupidly grabbing it with my thumb and forefinger. The blisters were small but they sure hurt. I dropped everything and raced into the bathroom to rinse with cold water. That's when I smelled the smoke. It doesn't take long for a hot soldering iron tip to ignite a balsa wood building. At least the smoke detector didn't go off. I locked the train room door until everything healed. I just ordered replacement wheel and axle kits, link couplers, pins, Paper Creek sheeting to cover some of the buildings and the tools for replacing link couplers. The 350 will be sent in for an overhaul next. I told you those parts wouldn't get the best of me. Bill in Rochester

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63839	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 3/14/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54" radius

Stumpy, I bought a bunch of Midwest O and HO cork a few years back and recently put it on my S layout. No difference in height unless they've changed their dimensions! Both are 1/4" thick. Again, this is stricly Midwest, not Walthers! Gary Chudzinski >Roadbed for 54" radius >Posted by: "mrstumpy50" mrstumpy@... mrstumpy50 >Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:41 pm (PDT) >We sold cork roadbed from Midwest and Walthers at the hobby shop. As I recall O was 1/4" and HO was 3/16". We also sold two brands of roll flexible roadbed, >and even had a few pieces of the old Tru-Scale milled wood roadbed in stock when the shop closed. >I had forgotten about using HO roadbed and spreading it to S width. Thanks Tim, I must be getting old. >When it comes down to it, I guess that whatever works for you and is affordable is the right stuff. >Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63840	From: vbereskin	Date: 3/14/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54" radius

Scenery Unlimited sells S-guage cork roadbed. Vic Bereskin --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > We sold cork roadbed from Midwest and Walthers at the hobby shop. As I recall O was 1/4" and HO was 3/16". We also sold two brands of roll flexible roadbed, and even had a few pieces of the old Tru-Scale milled wood roadbed in stock when the shop closed. > I had forgotten about using HO roadbed and spreading it to S width. Thanks Tim, I must be getting old. > When it comes down to it, I guess that whatever works for you and is affordable is the right stuff. > Stumpy in Appalachia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63841	From: rick gough	Date: 3/14/2011
Subject: Re: Sticky Link Couplers

......and you still haven't learned ...... why Gilbert dumped those stupid links......in favor of KNUCKLE's .....like REAL trains. When they were new they didn't stay linked very well! But I gotta say that was some kinda intertaining!!!!!!!!!! rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63842	From: richs009	Date: 3/14/2011
Subject: Re: Sticky Link Couplers

Bill -- I reread you post several times and think I detected your tongue in your cheek. Hopefully that's true because that's quite a string a calamities and by the time I finished reading it the tears were rolling down my cheeks - from laughing so hard. - Rich BTW, something we of German heritage share, I think -- the inverse relationship between cost and repair effort. It often seems that the cheaper something is, the more time I invest in trying to fix it. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wmfadamsny1" <WMFADAMSNY@...> wrote: > > Thanks to everyone who replied on and off group to my request for help with sticky link couplers. I'm German and was NOT going to let a three dollar part get the best of me. > > I tried immersing them in hot water and found the threshold for pain to human skin is 117 degrees. The dish detergent and hot water didn't help. I scrubbed the links with a toothbrush until I splashed the soapy water in my eyes. Damn, that hurt. Next, I tried WD-40 - no luck. Then it was a silicone spray. You people are right - don't get that stuff on the white script. One passenger car now reads NEW HA 650 and a caboose reads DING 30. > > Then I tried the hair dryer. I knocked over the cup with the water and detergent onto the dryer. Never realized how much a hair dryer would spark. It tripped the breaker and fried the dryer - wife not happy. > > I tried sewing machine oil and got it all over my fingers. That stuff is slippery. I picked up my pencil sized razor knife to move it and naturally it slipped through my fingers. It harpooned my left hand like Captain Ahab spearing Moby Dick. I didn't realize how much and how far blood could spurt out of a hand. I learned two important lessons. First is masking tape and blue painters tape won't stop bleeding. Duck tape is the best - three wraps will stop anything. (I wasn't going to try running across the carpeted floor pumping blood out.) The second is if you paint balsa wood buildings, it doesn't matter if you use latex or oil based paint. Balsa wood sucks blood right through any paint. > > After each attempt, I would gave the cars a spin around the track to check it out. Well, I guess I didn't wipe off all the oils, silicone, WD-40, blood and detergent. The track got a little slick. It's an over and under figure 8 with a nasty "tighter than spec" sharp curve on the downward slope. I launched that 322 off the rails like a Polaris missile. It broadsided my Royal Blue parked on the outside loop (where the ties are even with the edge of the table). Remember the climactic seen from the movie Bridge over River Kwai when the locomotive and cars went off the bridge into the gorge? Axles, wheels and small plastic parts flew everywhere. > > Then I tried a soldering iron to heat up the link pin. I didn't let it cool off enough before stupidly grabbing it with my thumb and forefinger. The blisters were small but they sure hurt. I dropped everything and raced into the bathroom to rinse with cold water. That's when I smelled the smoke. It doesn't take long for a hot soldering iron tip to ignite a balsa wood building. At least the smoke detector didn't go off. > > I locked the train room door until everything healed. I just ordered replacement wheel and axle kits, link couplers, pins, Paper Creek sheeting to cover some of the buildings and the tools for replacing link couplers. The 350 will be sent in for an overhaul next. I told you those parts wouldn't get the best of me. > > Bill in Rochester >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63843	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/14/2011
Subject: Fw: [AvailableSgauge] Repro Flat cars

BG is Bulgaria I am told. Mike From: MichaelM Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 5:09 PM To: AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AvailableSgauge] Repro Flat cars I have two new repro flat cars, never used, that I would like to sell for 10 dollars each. They are like the 957 Monon flat, but no trucks. Trucks can be purchased from any AF parts dealer. One is a State of Maine car and the other is a Boston and Maine car. The cars have underneath Made in BG as I have no idea what BG is. Trucks are AF trucks and they look new. They have no brake wheel, as the part where the brake wheel was on the 957 is there, you just need to drill a hole to put one in or just leave it be. Postage to be determine. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63844	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 3/14/2011
Subject: Re: Sticky Link Couplers

If only we had a video!!!!! LOL Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "richs009" <richs009@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 2:55:11 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Sticky Link Couplers Bill -- I reread you post several times and think I detected your tongue in your cheek. Hopefully that's true because that's quite a string a calamities and by the time I finished reading it the tears were rolling down my cheeks - from laughing so hard. - Rich BTW, something we of German heritage share, I think -- the inverse relationship between cost and repair effort. It often seems that the cheaper something is, the more time I invest in trying to fix it. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , "wmfadamsny1" <WMFADAMSNY@...> wrote: > > Thanks to everyone who replied on and off group to my request for help with sticky link couplers. I'm German and was NOT going to let a three dollar part get the best of me. > > I tried immersing them in hot water and found the threshold for pain to human skin is 117 degrees. The dish detergent and hot water didn't help. I scrubbed the links with a toothbrush until I splashed the soapy water in my eyes. Damn, that hurt. Next, I tried WD-40 - no luck. Then it was a silicone spray. You people are right - don't get that stuff on the white script. One passenger car now reads NEW HA 650 and a caboose reads DING 30. > > Then I tried the hair dryer. I knocked over the cup with the water and detergent onto the dryer. Never realized how much a hair dryer would spark. It tripped the breaker and fried the dryer - wife not happy. > > I tried sewing machine oil and got it all over my fingers. That stuff is slippery. I picked up my pencil sized razor knife to move it and naturally it slipped through my fingers. It harpooned my left hand like Captain Ahab spearing Moby Dick. I didn't realize how much and how far blood could spurt out of a hand. I learned two important lessons. First is masking tape and blue painters tape won't stop bleeding. Duck tape is the best - three wraps will stop anything. (I wasn't going to try running across the carpeted floor pumping blood out.) The second is if you paint balsa wood buildings, it doesn't matter if you use latex or oil based paint. Balsa wood sucks blood right through any paint. > > After each attempt, I would gave the cars a spin around the track to check it out. Well, I guess I didn't wipe off all the oils, silicone, WD-40, blood and detergent. The track got a little slick. It's an over and under figure 8 with a nasty "tighter than spec" sharp curve on the downward slope. I launched that 322 off the rails like a Polaris missile. It broadsided my Royal Blue parked on the outside loop (where the ties are even with the edge of the table). Remember the climactic seen from the movie Bridge over River Kwai when the locomotive and cars went off the bridge into the gorge? Axles, wheels and small plastic parts flew everywhere. > > Then I tried a soldering iron to heat up the link pin. I didn't let it cool off enough before stupidly grabbing it with my thumb and forefinger. The blisters were small but they sure hurt. I dropped everything and raced into the bathroom to rinse with cold water. That's when I smelled the smoke. It doesn't take long for a hot soldering iron tip to ignite a balsa wood building. At least the smoke detector didn't go off. > > I locked the train room door until everything healed. I just ordered replacement wheel and axle kits, link couplers, pins, Paper Creek sheeting to cover some of the buildings and the tools for replacing link couplers. The 350 will be sent in for an overhaul next. I told you those parts wouldn't get the best of me. > > Bill in Rochester > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63845	From: Neil Trump	Date: 3/15/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: [AvailableSgauge] Repro Flat cars

BG = Bulgaria Sent from my iPad On 14 Mar 2011, at 22:31, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > BG is Bulgaria I am told. > > Mike > > From: MichaelM > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 5:09 PM > To: AvailableSgauge@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AvailableSgauge] Repro Flat cars > > I have two new repro flat cars, never used, that I would like to sell for 10 dollars each. > > They are like the 957 Monon flat, but no trucks. Trucks can be purchased from any AF parts dealer. > > One is a State of Maine car and the other is a Boston and Maine car. > > The cars have underneath Made in BG as I have no idea what BG is. > > Trucks are AF trucks and they look new. > > They have no brake wheel, as the part where the brake wheel was on the 957 is there, you just need to drill a hole to put one in or just leave it be. Postage to be determine. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63846	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/15/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: [AvailableSgauge] Repro Flat cars

Thanks Neil. Makes them extra special then. LOL Hey, Don, you could have your trains made there!!!!!!! Mike From: Neil Trump Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:19 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: [AvailableSgauge] Repro Flat cars BG = Bulgaria Sent from my iPad On 14 Mar 2011, at 22:31, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: > BG is Bulgaria I am told. > > Mike > > From: MichaelM > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 5:09 PM > To: mailto:AvailableSgauge%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AvailableSgauge] Repro Flat cars > > I have two new repro flat cars, never used, that I would like to sell for 10 dollars each. > > They are like the 957 Monon flat, but no trucks. Trucks can be purchased from any AF parts dealer. > > One is a State of Maine car and the other is a Boston and Maine car. > > The cars have underneath Made in BG as I have no idea what BG is. > > Trucks are AF trucks and they look new. > > They have no brake wheel, as the part where the brake wheel was on the 957 is there, you just need to drill a hole to put one in or just leave it be. Postage to be determine. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63847	From: Rhett George	Date: 3/15/2011
Subject: Happy St. Gilbert's Day

- GreetingS - Don't break Rule G. In the safety of your own home, proceed. Raise high a glass of something worth quaffing on 3/16 and give a cheer for St. Gilbert. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63848	From: Glenn	Date: 3/15/2011
Subject: HAPPY OUR SCALE DAY

May I be the first to say Happy 3/16th Day to all my BEST SCALE friends. Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63849	From: mike rosz	Date: 3/15/2011
Subject: Re: HAPPY OUR SCALE DAY

When is American Flyer Day? ________________________________ From: Glenn <gartrain404@...> To: A/S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 6:02:08 PM Subject: [S-Trains] HAPPY OUR SCALE DAY   May I be the first to say Happy 3/16th Day to all my BEST SCALE friends. Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63850	From: JOHN and CAROL	Date: 3/16/2011
Subject: HAPPY S DAY

Just wanted to wish all our 1/64 friends (little folk, aren't we?) a very Happy National S Day (3/16). As our friend, David Dewey (a.k.a. Darth Gilbert), says, "Come over the the S Side, Luke!" Hope to see a bunch of you at the National Train Show in Sacramento this July. Lookout Junction will be there, so stop by and say hi. YourS, John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63851	From: afjeff_56	Date: 3/16/2011
Subject: 3/16 Day

Wishing you all a very Happy National 3/16 (S) Day!!! Hope that everyone has fun with their Trains Today... Jeff S......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63852	From: Glenn	Date: 3/16/2011
Subject: Re: HAPPY OUR SCALE DAY

Every day is American Flyer day. Long live American Flyer. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/STONY_CREEK_RR.html Glenn --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mike rosz <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > > When is American Flyer Day? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Glenn <gartrain404@...> > To: A/S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 6:02:08 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] HAPPY OUR SCALE DAY > >   > May I be the first to say > Happy 3/16th Day to > all my BEST SCALE > friends. > > Glenn > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63853	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/16/2011
Subject: 21165 Pennsy & Southern?

I have come across two unexpected 21165 locomotives.  One has a Southern tender that I suspect was swapped with a 21168.  The other has a tender lettered PRR that I suspect was relettered.  Does anyone know of Gilbert ever producing any such 21165 locomotives? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63854	From: SAM AND JUDY WILLIAMSON	Date: 3/16/2011
Subject: Circus coach

Is anybody familiar with the red AF Circus coach? I know they are very rare. My question is what was the color of the grab irons and the window frames. I suspect it may have been yellow since the more common yellow version has red irons and frames. Thanks for any help you can give me. Sam Williamson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63855	From: americanflyer1953	Date: 3/16/2011
Subject: Blog

What happened to your Blog? AF53 aka Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63856	From: Ronald Kolb	Date: 3/16/2011
Subject: Re: DC and accessories

Monte, Club member Ken Schnepp is interested in using a reverse loop on his layout. Can you send me your article on reserve loops and I will give a copy to Ken.? Thanks, Ron To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: monteheppe@... Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 08:30:02 -0500 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: DC and accessories Any original Flyer accessory with an AC induction motor (oil drum loader, and log loaders) will not work on DC. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63857	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/16/2011
Subject: Re: 21165 Pennsy & Southern?

Hi Robert, A 21107 Atlantic Locomotive had a tender with a PRR Logo and American Flyer Lines. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> To: s-trains@... Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 11:49:30 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 21165 Pennsy & Southern? I have come across two unexpected 21165 locomotives. One has a Southern tender that I suspect was swapped with a 21168. The other has a tender lettered PRR that I suspect was relettered. Does anyone know of Gilbert ever producing any such 21165 locomotives? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63858	From: Dave	Date: 3/17/2011
Subject: Parts & Decal Discount

We are offering a $10.00 off discount for any purchases of "S" scale parts or decals from our ON-LINE-SALES web site. This is good for "MAIL IN ORDERS ONLY". Simply write in the "CODE:1942" when using our order form at the site and mailing in your order of $50.00 or more and as always we offer FREE SHIPPING. For further info. please contact us off group. Thank you for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63859	From: Allan V Eisenhaur	Date: 3/17/2011
Subject: 450 signal bridge wiring

Hi I'am looking for a circuit or wiring diagram for connecting a L***** 450 Signal Bridge on an S gauge layout . Has anyone done this ? Thanks Al ____________________________________________________________ Life Insurance at $12/Mo. Get $250,000 in Life Coverage for as Little as $12/Mo. Free Quotes. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d82249b30c3324e15m04vuc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63860	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/17/2011
Subject: John Grams R.I.P.

Classic Toy Trains magazine "Author and toy train expert John Grams passed away this week. John was a prolific contributor to Classic Toy Trains. Read CTT founding Editor Dick Christianson's appreciation of John under Hobby News on our Web site." -Rick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63861	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 3/17/2011
Subject: TRUE SCALE trees

:To date I have has some feed back, so far all the trees have had 5 or 6 branches on a car , non mixed and no report of a 7 branch tree If any more information turns up I will pass it on AND know I am looking for a # 24558 car (reasonable ) Jerry 24558 Canadian Pacific ??? I just picked a package of TRUE SCALE trees at a train show. I have had two of the 24558 Canadian Pacific flat cars in the past and sold them because they had no trees. Now I am researching these trees. They look like the trees I have seen at other train shows. and are different heights, as shower on page 136 Greenburg's book. The branches all look the same and have the green flock glued to the branches, The roots look the same & all have a joint up from the roots the ( base of the tree ) #1 tree is 3 1/4" tall, 7 branches, 3/4" up to the joint. #2 tree is 2 3/4" tall 7 branches , 1/4 " up to the joint, #3 tree is 2 3/4" tall, 6 branches, 1/2 " up to the joint. #4 tree is 2 1/2" tall, 5 branches, 3/4" up to the joint #5 tree is 2" 'tall, 5 branches, 1/2" up to the joint. The Question, did Gilbert use a same size trees or just use any height tree that true scale supplied ?? so many years ?? So many trees ?? so many second owners. of these cars. Any one having purchased one of the cars new ?? may have the answer. How many of you are out there ?? Jerry 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Groupon™ Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d827be5adac611fc3m06duc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63862	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/17/2011
Subject: Re: TRUE SCALE trees

Jerry, I believe you can pick up a 24558 flat car without the trees for around 50 or so. it is the trees that makes the car expensive. So you have the trees, you can find a flat car without the trees I am sure. Would you like me to look for one for you at York? Mike From: gerald r dobbs Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 4:22 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] TRUE SCALE trees :To date I have has some feed back, so far all the trees have had 5 or 6 branches on a car , non mixed and no report of a 7 branch tree If any more information turns up I will pass it on AND know I am looking for a # 24558 car (reasonable ) Jerry 24558 Canadian Pacific ??? I just picked a package of TRUE SCALE trees at a train show. I have had two of the 24558 Canadian Pacific flat cars in the past and sold them because they had no trees. Now I am researching these trees. They look like the trees I have seen at other train shows. and are different heights, as shower on page 136 Greenburg's book. The branches all look the same and have the green flock glued to the branches, The roots look the same & all have a joint up from the roots the ( base of the tree ) #1 tree is 3 1/4" tall, 7 branches, 3/4" up to the joint. #2 tree is 2 3/4" tall 7 branches , 1/4 " up to the joint, #3 tree is 2 3/4" tall, 6 branches, 1/2 " up to the joint. #4 tree is 2 1/2" tall, 5 branches, 3/4" up to the joint #5 tree is 2" 'tall, 5 branches, 1/2" up to the joint. The Question, did Gilbert use a same size trees or just use any height tree that true scale supplied ?? so many years ?? So many trees ?? so many second owners. of these cars. Any one having purchased one of the cars new ?? may have the answer. How many of you are out there ?? Jerry 77-11644 __________________________________________________________ Groupon™ Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d827be5adac611fc3m06duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63863	From: Ben	Date: 3/17/2011
Subject: New S Gauger

Our little girl Emma Lynn was just born on Tuesday- 3/15. Lynn realized that the AF 315 K5 Pacific I just added to the collection a few weeks ago should be Emma's train! I love it! Does anyone make an "It's a Girl" boxcar in S gauge? Cheers- Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63864	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 3/17/2011
Subject: Re: New S Gauger

Yes it should, congratulations. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Ben" <lbstiles@...> Sender: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 23:25:18 To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] New S Gauger Our little girl Emma Lynn was just born on Tuesday- 3/15. Lynn realized that the AF 315 K5 Pacific I just added to the collection a few weeks ago should be Emma's train! I love it! Does anyone make an "It's a Girl" boxcar in S gauge? Cheers- Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63865	From: johntech	Date: 3/17/2011
Subject: Baldwin parts

Does anyone have or sell the pickup buttons and springs for the Baldwin diesels?? Price? Thanks John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63866	From: kevin	Date: 3/17/2011
Subject: Track

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300537352344&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_500wt_1156 enjoy.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63867	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 3/17/2011
Subject: Re: New S Gauger

I would be happy to try making one for you Bob Sent from my iPod On Mar 17, 2011, at 7:25 PM, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote: > Our little girl Emma Lynn was just born on Tuesday- 3/15. Lynn realized that the AF 315 K5 Pacific I just added to the collection a few weeks ago should be Emma's train! I love it! > > Does anyone make an "It's a Girl" boxcar in S gauge? > > Cheers- > > Ben > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63868	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: Baldwin parts

Doug Peck at Port Lines Hobby probably has some, and I may have a couple around the parts bins if I can find them. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 3/17/2011 7:56:32 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, beebear@... writes: Does anyone have or sell the pickup buttons and springs for the Baldwin diesels?? Price? Thanks John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63869	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: New S Gauger

I'm sure Dave at LBR enterprises would be glad to make you one. Steve In a message dated 3/17/2011 5:58:53 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, lbstiles@... writes: Our little girl Emma Lynn was just born on Tuesday- 3/15. Lynn realized that the AF 315 K5 Pacific I just added to the collection a few weeks ago should be Emma's train! I love it! Does anyone make an "It's a Girl" boxcar in S gauge? Cheers- Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63870	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: TRUE SCALE trees

Mine has 6 branches. It's for sale. But, for what it's worth in Like new condition. Most likely NOT reasonable. Steve In a message dated 3/17/2011 3:32:27 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, grdobbs@... writes: :To date I have has some feed back, so far all the trees have had 5 or 6 branches on a car , non mixed and no report of a 7 branch tree If any more information turns up I will pass it on AND know I am looking for a # 24558 car (reasonable ) Jerry 24558 Canadian Pacific ??? I just picked a package of TRUE SCALE trees at a train show. I have had two of the 24558 Canadian Pacific flat cars in the past and sold them because they had no trees. Now I am researching these trees. They look like the trees I have seen at other train shows. and are different heights, as shower on page 136 Greenburg's book. The branches all look the same and have the green flock glued to the branches, The roots look the same & all have a joint up from the roots the ( base of the tree ) #1 tree is 3 1/4" tall, 7 branches, 3/4" up to the joint. #2 tree is 2 3/4" tall 7 branches , 1/4 " up to the joint, #3 tree is 2 3/4" tall, 6 branches, 1/2 " up to the joint. #4 tree is 2 1/2" tall, 5 branches, 3/4" up to the joint #5 tree is 2" 'tall, 5 branches, 1/2" up to the joint. The Question, did Gilbert use a same size trees or just use any height tree that true scale supplied ?? so many years ?? So many trees ?? so many second owners. of these cars. Any one having purchased one of the cars new ?? may have the answer. How many of you are out there ?? Jerry 77-11644 __________________________________________________________ Groupon™ Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! _http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d827be5adac611fc3m06duc_ (http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d827be5adac611fc3m06duc) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63871	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: New S Gauger

I don't know that one was made but what I'd do is make one and personalize it with all the important info like her name, date and her weight. It would mean a lot more to her in the future. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: femiro2002@... Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:31:39 +0000 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New S Gauger Yes it should, congratulations. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Ben" <lbstiles@...> Sender: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 23:25:18 To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] New S Gauger Our little girl Emma Lynn was just born on Tuesday- 3/15. Lynn realized that the AF 315 K5 Pacific I just added to the collection a few weeks ago should be Emma's train! I love it! Does anyone make an "It's a Girl" boxcar in S gauge? Cheers- Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63872	From: George Cohn	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: Track

On 3/17/2011 6:14 PM, kevin wrote: > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300537352344&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_500wt_1156> > > enjoy. Wow! 7 bucks a piece. I had no idea it was that valuable. While I appreciate the guy showing the box, I would like to see the track as well. Call me cynical but a sealed cardboard box could contain anything from ten pounds of sand to old aunt Martha's cremated bones! :-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63873	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: Circus Coach

Just to let you know, Sam, Gilbert never (never! :-) ) made a red #649 circus coach. When examples show up, they are invariably repaints. Yellow would be the logical color for grab irons and window frames if one were to repaint a #650 red for the fun of it. There are legitimate versions of yellow-painted #649 circus coaches painted over green #650 shells. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 3/17/2011 5:58:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Is anybody familiar with the red AF Circus coach? I know they are very rare. My question is what was the color of the grab irons and the window frames. I suspect it may have been yellow since the more common yellow version has red irons and frames. Thanks for any help you can give me. Sam Williamson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63874	From: navmedguy	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: A Letter to Lionel

Hello all. After finding that the new Flionel U33C Legacy diesel is being pushed back (again) to June now (supposedly), I typed a letter to Lionel. It will do no good, but I feel slightly better. I have been promising my 3 year old son the new American Flyer U33C for many months now. Based on your 2010 ship date of November, then December, then April 2011, and now June. This isn't funny. Why can't your company get on top of these issues so that you're at least remotely close to the actual ship date? You realize the message you're sending to everyone about your company, right? --Totally unreliable. If management can't coordinate even a vaguely accurate release date, what are the chances they can coordinate proper quality control, quality design, etc.? Low. Do your realize that Lionel's reliability is a joke within the train community? When someone says Lionel is shipping a product in, say, 'June,' the inevitable corollary is, ' of course, we don't know what year yet.' So this isn't a 'one time only, we're sorry in this one instance for unforeseen circumstances, this happens so rarely,' kind of thing. So that I can stop having to explain to my son why the train isn't coming for *another* 3 months (or who knows how long), and for your own business best interest, get your act together. If it's going to be a year, tell us. dr y

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63875	From: cvlk	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel

Hopefully you are using this as an opportunity to teach your son the virtue of patience even though he is a three year old. Model Railroading is not a Hobby of Instant Gratification.... for that, R/C Car Racing is a better fit for those who did not learn this. Everyone in the Model Railroad Industry is suffering from production delays brought about by the management collapse of Sanda Kan coupled with the economic expansion of China and the downturn of the rest of the world's economies. Many companies have finished product sitting in China not being shipped for lack of money. Banks will not make short term loans especially when a company has had many months of low cash flow due to not being able to get product to satisfy orders because of the difficulties. I don't know which factory Lionel is using for the U33C; but I suspect that the Lionel people have been given a reasonable firm date a number of times and are just as frustrated as the consumers are. Charlie Vlk Hello all. After finding that the new Flionel U33C Legacy diesel is being pushed back (again) to June now (supposedly), I typed a letter to Lionel. It will do no good, but I feel slightly better. I have been promising my 3 year old son the new American Flyer U33C for many months now. Based on your 2010 ship date of November, then December, then April 2011, and now June. This isn't funny. Why can't your company get on top of these issues so that you're at least remotely close to the actual ship date? You realize the message you're sending to everyone about your company, right? --Totally unreliable. If management can't coordinate even a vaguely accurate release date, what are the chances they can coordinate proper quality control, quality design, etc.? Low. Do your realize that Lionel's reliability is a joke within the train community? When someone says Lionel is shipping a product in, say, 'June,' the inevitable corollary is, ' of course, we don't know what year yet.' So this isn't a 'one time only, we're sorry in this one instance for unforeseen circumstances, this happens so rarely,' kind of thing. So that I can stop having to explain to my son why the train isn't coming for *another* 3 months (or who knows how long), and for your own business best interest, get your act together. If it's going to be a year, tell us. dr y [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63876	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel

The U33C Legacy diesel is not the only delayed Lionel/American Flyer product. The Defender set that I ordered is now scheduled to be delivered in September! It was initially scheduled for delivery in January 2011. I wish we could bring back toy train manufacturing to America. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63877	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel

Bob, that should be done. USA all the way. Why are the production costs low in China , but we still buy at a high rate ? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Bob Iannacone" <biannaco@...> Sender: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:47:59 To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A Letter to Lionel The U33C Legacy diesel is not the only delayed Lionel/American Flyer product. The Defender set that I ordered is now scheduled to be delivered in September! It was initially scheduled for delivery in January 2011. I wish we could bring back toy train manufacturing to America. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63878	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: Track

And only $59 shipping cost. Steve In a message dated 3/18/2011 4:48:58 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, gwcohn@... writes: On 3/17/2011 6:14 PM, kevin wrote: > <_http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300537352344&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_500wt_1156_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300537352344&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_500wt_1156) > > > enjoy. Wow! 7 bucks a piece. I had no idea it was that valuable. While I appreciate the guy showing the box, I would like to see the track as well. Call me cynical but a sealed cardboard box could contain anything from ten pounds of sand to old aunt Martha's cremated bones! :-) George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63879	From: navmedguy	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel

In response to Charlie: """" Hopefully you are using this as an opportunity to teach your son the virtue of patience even though he is a three year old. Model Railroading is not a Hobby of Instant Gratification.... for that, R/C Car Racing is a better fit for those who did not learn this."""" Who said I wanted instant gratification? Your reasoning - "He's upset because Lionel has proclaimed 4 ship dates then not delivered ----therefore he wants instant gratification" is a non sequitur. Sure. Patience is a virtue. No one is having a meltdown, and the young man is indeed waiting patiently, as is his daddy. Criticizing a company for not following through with their marketing claims hardly qualifies as impatience. In fact, the wrong thing to do in this situation is to teach him that no matter the disconnect between words and actions, we should all just patiently sit by and tell ourselves that all is ok - we can't expect instant gratification after all. NO. We should be men of our word, and be courageous enough to say so when someone or some company isn't. Phooey on your milksop variety of false virtue. Moral discernment isn't a cognitive function for everyone, maybe consider corssword puzzles or art appreciation. > Everyone in the Model Railroad Industry is suffering from production delays brought about by the management collapse of Sanda Kan coupled with the economic expansion of China and the downturn of the rest of the world's economies. Not 'everyone' is making false promises. I didn't criticize the troubles of the industry. I criticized the false claims. Pay attention. > Many companies have finished product sitting in China not being shipped for lack of money. Banks will not make short term loans especially when a company has had many months of low cash flow due to not being able to get product to satisfy orders because of the difficulties. Irrelevant, again. > > I don't know which factory Lionel is using for the U33C; but I suspect that the Lionel people have been given a reasonable firm date a number of times and are just as frustrated as the consumers are. Possibly, and if so, then they can say so, rather than just quietly shifting the ship dates, time and again, with no apology, and no explanation. In fact, some of the shifting ship dates, just quietly disappear. Poor form! dr Y

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63880	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: A letter to Lionel

Like so many things in life, there was "the good old days" and there is today. The "toy" train manufacturers have always been slower than those providing product in N, HO, and the other "model" railroad scales. While the model market was more of a year around thing, the toy train market has always been centered on Christmas. Therefore, the model manufacturers had to have product all the time, but the toy manufacturers did not. But times have changed. Long before the current economic upheaval and the problems in China, the toy train manufacturers figured out that they now had a "collector" market available to them. This market would tolerate high prices and long delays, so naturally they took advantage. Lionel was about the only game in town through the seventies, and set the standard of limited availability and long delays. But this sort of environment of "created hunger for product" also made it easy for folks like Weaver, Williams, and MTH get a foothold in the market. About ten years ago, the N and HO manufacturers started to experiment with advertising product they didn't have. They also found that buyers would tolerate this and long delays. So now it is getting just as tough to get product in those scales. And like the toy train makers, you have to buy right away because it will not be made again. We are victims of our own human nature. As long as we hunger for product, they can do what they want, just like oil companies or drug dealers! ;-) Stumpy Stone...forced into "rehab" by lack of money.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63881	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel

A lot of it has to do with import duty fees. For example the import duty on items that are made in the US is more than for items that are not made in the states. For example I used to play the bagpipes. The import duty on a set of pipes was not very high because they are or at the time were not made in the states. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: femiro2002@... Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:35:06 +0000 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A Letter to Lionel Bob, that should be done. USA all the way. Why are the production costs low in China , but we still buy at a high rate ? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Bob Iannacone" <biannaco@...> Sender: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:47:59 To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A Letter to Lionel The U33C Legacy diesel is not the only delayed Lionel/American Flyer product. The Defender set that I ordered is now scheduled to be delivered in September! It was initially scheduled for delivery in January 2011. I wish we could bring back toy train manufacturing to America. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63882	From: frank emiro	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel

Interesting. What is the true cost of a product made in USA = China ? Frank R. EMIRO --- On Fri, 3/18/11, Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote: From: Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] A Letter to Lionel To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 4:51 PM   A lot of it has to do with import duty fees. For example the import duty on items that are made in the US is more than for items that are not made in the states. For example I used to play the bagpipes. The import duty on a set of pipes was not very high because they are or at the time were not made in the states. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: femiro2002@... Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:35:06 +0000 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A Letter to Lionel Bob, that should be done. USA all the way. Why are the production costs low in China , but we still buy at a high rate ? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Bob Iannacone" <biannaco@...> Sender: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:47:59 To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A Letter to Lionel The U33C Legacy diesel is not the only delayed Lionel/American Flyer product. The Defender set that I ordered is now scheduled to be delivered in September! It was initially scheduled for delivery in January 2011. I wish we could bring back toy train manufacturing to America. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63883	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel

Hi all, have not been an active member of S-trains but was here when it was first started but could not let this topic go by with out my 2 cents worth, One the sanda Khan thing is a hobby wide problem across all scales unfourtenetly. Second there is a new player in the S gauge trains called Iron Rail Models all they have at the moment is a few different types of highly detailed tank cars and are MOSTLY made here in the USA except for the couplers. They are a bit pricey but do look good. --- On Fri, 3/18/11, frank emiro <femiro2002@...> wrote: From: frank emiro <femiro2002@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] A Letter to Lionel To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 5:13 PM   Interesting. What is the true cost of a product made in USA = China ? Frank R. EMIRO --- On Fri, 3/18/11, Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote: From: Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] A Letter to Lionel To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 4:51 PM   A lot of it has to do with import duty fees. For example the import duty on items that are made in the US is more than for items that are not made in the states. For example I used to play the bagpipes. The import duty on a set of pipes was not very high because they are or at the time were not made in the states. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: femiro2002@... Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:35:06 +0000 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A Letter to Lionel Bob, that should be done. USA all the way. Why are the production costs low in China , but we still buy at a high rate ? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Bob Iannacone" <biannaco@...> Sender: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:47:59 To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A Letter to Lionel The U33C Legacy diesel is not the only delayed Lionel/American Flyer product. The Defender set that I ordered is now scheduled to be delivered in September! It was initially scheduled for delivery in January 2011. I wish we could bring back toy train manufacturing to America. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63884	From: nsupbnsf@juno.com	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: American Flyer earns honorable mention in MODEL RAILRIOADER

Did anyone else notice the A. C. Gilbert Company building pictured on page 36 of the March 2011 MODEL RAILROADER (with the sign AMERICAN FLYER TRAINS)? The A. C. Gilbert Co. rated mention in the caption. Alan UdyIdaho Falls ID ____________________________________________________________ Groupon™ Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d83da43aeaac3120eest01vuc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63885	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel

Just looked at the Iron Rail Models site and they do have some gorgeous tank cars pictured. More pricey than SHS or AM, but about in line with Flyonel. I especially liked the damaged tank car on a flat. Very clever :) Roy on 3/18/11 5:42 PM, weidner@... at weidner@... wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, have not been an active member of S-trains but was here when it was > first started but could not let this topic go by with out my 2 cents worth, > One the sanda Khan thing is a hobby wide problem across all scales > unfourtenetly. Second there is a new player in the S gauge trains called Iron > Rail Models all they have at the moment is a few different types of highly > detailed tank cars and are MOSTLY made here in the USA except for the > couplers. They are a bit pricey but do look good. > > --- On Fri, 3/18/11, frank emiro <femiro2002@... > <mailto:femiro2002%40yahoo.com> > wrote: > > From: frank emiro <femiro2002@... <mailto:femiro2002%40yahoo.com> > > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] A Letter to Lionel > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 5:13 PM > >   > > Interesting. What is the true cost of a product made in USA = China ? > > Frank R. EMIRO > > --- On Fri, 3/18/11, Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@... > <mailto:danceswithwolves49%40hotmail.com> > wrote: > > From: Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@... > <mailto:danceswithwolves49%40hotmail.com> > > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] A Letter to Lionel > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 4:51 PM > >   > > A lot of it has to do with import duty fees. For example the import duty on > items that are made in the US is more than for items that are not made in the > states. For example I used to play the bagpipes. The import duty on a set of > pipes was not very high because they are or at the time were not made in the > states. > Bob in Butte > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > From: femiro2002@... <mailto:femiro2002%40yahoo.com> > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:35:06 +0000 > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A Letter to Lionel > > Bob, that should be done. USA all the way. Why are the production costs low in > China , but we still buy at a high rate ? > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Bob Iannacone" <biannaco@... > <mailto:biannaco%40bellsouth.net> > > > Sender: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:47:59 > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A Letter to Lionel > > The U33C Legacy diesel is not the only delayed Lionel/American Flyer > > product. The Defender set that I ordered is now scheduled to be delivered > > in September! It was initially scheduled for delivery in January 2011. I > > wish we could bring back toy train manufacturing to America. > > Bob > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63886	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel

Frank, Now that IS a good question. There are a lot of factors to figure in on that one. The cost of materials to manufacture it and the cost of the power used, the cost of labor to manufacture the item coupled with the costs of packaging and shipping. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: femiro2002@... Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:13:35 -0700 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] A Letter to Lionel Interesting. What is the true cost of a product made in USA = China ? Frank R. EMIRO --- On Fri, 3/18/11, Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote: From: Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] A Letter to Lionel To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 4:51 PM A lot of it has to do with import duty fees. For example the import duty on items that are made in the US is more than for items that are not made in the states. For example I used to play the bagpipes. The import duty on a set of pipes was not very high because they are or at the time were not made in the states. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: femiro2002@... Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:35:06 +0000 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A Letter to Lionel Bob, that should be done. USA all the way. Why are the production costs low in China , but we still buy at a high rate ? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Bob Iannacone" <biannaco@...> Sender: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:47:59 To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A Letter to Lionel The U33C Legacy diesel is not the only delayed Lionel/American Flyer product. The Defender set that I ordered is now scheduled to be delivered in September! It was initially scheduled for delivery in January 2011. I wish we could bring back toy train manufacturing to America. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63887	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: A letter to Lionel

I think the letter will be returned to sender, address unknown. They wrote upon it, return to sender, address unknown and so on and so on. Just kidding, could not resist the Elvis Song. Good luck with this. Mike From: mrstumpy50 Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 2:48 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE:A letter to Lionel Like so many things in life, there was "the good old days" and there is today. The "toy" train manufacturers have always been slower than those providing product in N, HO, and the other "model" railroad scales. While the model market was more of a year around thing, the toy train market has always been centered on Christmas. Therefore, the model manufacturers had to have product all the time, but the toy manufacturers did not. But times have changed. Long before the current economic upheaval and the problems in China, the toy train manufacturers figured out that they now had a "collector" market available to them. This market would tolerate high prices and long delays, so naturally they took advantage. Lionel was about the only game in town through the seventies, and set the standard of limited availability and long delays. But this sort of environment of "created hunger for product" also made it easy for folks like Weaver, Williams, and MTH get a foothold in the market. About ten years ago, the N and HO manufacturers started to experiment with advertising product they didn't have. They also found that buyers would tolerate this and long delays. So now it is getting just as tough to get product in those scales. And like the toy train makers, you have to buy right away because it will not be made again. We are victims of our own human nature. As long as we hunger for product, they can do what they want, just like oil companies or drug dealers! ;-) Stumpy Stone...forced into "rehab" by lack of money. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63888	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: New S Gauger

Ben, There is someone selling "It's a Girl" whistling billboards on eBay. You might want one of these as a momento. I haven't seen any of this guy's work so I have no idea how they look or operate. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote: > > Our little girl Emma Lynn was just born on Tuesday- 3/15. Lynn realized that the AF 315 K5 Pacific I just added to the collection a few weeks ago should be Emma's train! I love it! > > Does anyone make an "It's a Girl" boxcar in S gauge? > > Cheers- > > Ben >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63889	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: New S Gauger

http://www.ajtrains.com/AFBILLBORDSBOYGIRL.html AJ Trains will put a picture of the child on the billboard. Mike From: bull_gator_1 Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 9:20 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New S Gauger Ben, There is someone selling "It's a Girl" whistling billboards on eBay. You might want one of these as a momento. I haven't seen any of this guy's work so I have no idea how they look or operate. BG1 --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote: > > Our little girl Emma Lynn was just born on Tuesday- 3/15. Lynn realized that the AF 315 K5 Pacific I just added to the collection a few weeks ago should be Emma's train! I love it! > > Does anyone make an "It's a Girl" boxcar in S gauge? > > Cheers- > > Ben > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63890	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: Roadbed for 54" radius

Both are exactly the same thickness. The only difference is the width of the cork segments. As stated, a strip of HO cork next to a strip of O cork = S-scale, and works perfectly well with all the brands of S-scale track on the market. The "S" cork roadbed that we sell is re-packaged as a half-case of O and a half-case of HO, resulting in a case (75 feet) of S-scale cork roadbed. It's listed and shown on our TRACK OPTIONS page. <<< HO & O Corkbed line up perfectly for "S" Gauge.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com www.flyerparts.com <http://www.flyerparts.com/> www.sgaugetrains.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63891	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Cost in China Vs. USA

Hi All, I can give some insight here although not train related. The chemical industry I'm in uses a specialty, extremely high temperature, NB stainless steel alloy, air-to-vapor heat exchanger. Until approximately 5 years ago the only supplier was in the US and charged around $850,000 each for these exchangers. This US cmopnay had a world-wide monopoloy on these exchangers. Five years ago a Chinese manufacturer entered the market with a superior exchanger at a cost of $500,000. The industry was slow to adapt due to the "made-in-China" question, but almost all are now buying from the Chinese Manufacturer. The US manufacturer has held his price at $850,000 and needless to say is loosing what was just a few years ago a world-wide monopoly on these exchangers. In the last six months two new Chinese manufacturers have arrived on the scene and are offering identical exchangers for $300,000. I will visit both of these manufacturers on my next visit to China to qualify them to supply our plants worldwide. It would not surprise me at all if the Current Chinese manufacturer lowers his price to meet his new competitors' pricing. The Chinese (particularly in southern China) are discovering capitalism are very aggresive. Again comparing costs, it costs less to ship these very large units from China to Houston than it costs to truck them from Houston to our plants less than 500 miles inland. The only down side is the 2 - 3 month delivery time via ocean freight from China. We have had no problems with missed or late shipments because when the Chinese we work with make a promise they do everything possible to meet it. If anything they ship early. Why Lionel seems to want to blame the Chinese I can't answer, but I can say they do excellent work for my company. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63892	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: It's A Girl Billboard

https://www.thetoypeddler.com/cgi-bin/ttp/ttpdetail_2.cgi?item_id=848826 Ben, Congratulations on your daughter. I googled this and came up with this site. mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63893	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: New S Gauger

Wait, those flat Cars I have Made in BG, many said BG is Bulgaria. No, Dave BG1 made them. Just kidding. Yes, I have seen those billboards too, as I can not remember who made them!!! Mike From: bull_gator_1 Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 9:20 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New S Gauger Ben, There is someone selling "It's a Girl" whistling billboards on eBay. You might want one of these as a momento. I haven't seen any of this guy's work so I have no idea how they look or operate. BG1 --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote: > > Our little girl Emma Lynn was just born on Tuesday- 3/15. Lynn realized that the AF 315 K5 Pacific I just added to the collection a few weeks ago should be Emma's train! I love it! > > Does anyone make an "It's a Girl" boxcar in S gauge? > > Cheers- > > Ben > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63894	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Costs

As I see it there are two types of cost. On is the fixed cost of getting the project underway. This is sort of like fixed overhead. It would include the tooling as well as the transportation costs of getting the product to their customer. The second type of cost is more operations oriented. It also includes the raw materials and labor. Off-hand one would think that the costs of transportation alone would more than offset the materials and operational costs. But with the small volumes involved, apparently this is not the case. Until our $15-16 per hour labor can compete with the $0.80 or less labor overseas, we will be unable to compete. Bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63895	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel

While frustrating and particularly painful with the hopes of child in the balance, try to wait it out. The Big Boy was long in coming and yet well worth the wait. Lionel didn't make the intial schedule on that, and arguably some of the reset dates, for a number of reasons, all of which we may never know, but among which was because of changes and improvements made to it - electrocoupler, Legacy control with Odyssey to mention a couple. The U33C is all new. My bet is there may be some logistic problems, but also too that they're working out some kinks and maybe making some improvements. Who knows, maybe a pilot that doesn't move with the coupler...because with S it doesn't need to? I ran my Big Boy at two shows within the last 2 months and everytime I'm grateful for the opportunity to do so - all without remembering the anxiety of waiting for it nearly/over 2 years. It'll be that way too before too long with the u-boat - just hard to imagine at the present time. Before you go ripping Lionel over schedule delays, don't forget they're who, in my opinion, breathed a new round of fun into S in 2005 with our first TMMC engines (NYC and B&O Connies) and since then provided additional and improved 2-8-2s and 4-6-2s plus upped the game to Legacy. In the big picture, the Big L has done a lot to make at least the last 6 years of S a lot of fun along with S-Helper and American Models. Hopefully they all and others will keep the ball rolling - on schedule or otherwise - and let's be glad they do.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63896	From: John Metzger	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel

We are all now at the mercy of the far eastern oriental countries (china, korea japan) where are manufacturing has been moved too.  These manufacturing companies never keep production promises. USA consumers have put themselves into this to get cheeply priced goods. This hurts USA workers and lost jobs. Lionel out sourced the train manufacturing over seas. Do not expect fast manufacturing from them. My opion> John Metzger, RN.  ________________________________ From: navmedguy <navmedguy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 1:39:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A Letter to Lionel   In response to Charlie: """" Hopefully you are using this as an opportunity to teach your son the virtue of patience even though he is a three year old. Model Railroading is not a Hobby of Instant Gratification.... for that, R/C Car Racing is a better fit for those who did not learn this."""" Who said I wanted instant gratification? Your reasoning - "He's upset because Lionel has proclaimed 4 ship dates then not delivered ----therefore he wants instant gratification" is a non sequitur. Sure. Patience is a virtue. No one is having a meltdown, and the young man is indeed waiting patiently, as is his daddy. Criticizing a company for not following through with their marketing claims hardly qualifies as impatience. In fact, the wrong thing to do in this situation is to teach him that no matter the disconnect between words and actions, we should all just patiently sit by and tell ourselves that all is ok - we can't expect instant gratification after all. NO. We should be men of our word, and be courageous enough to say so when someone or some company isn't. Phooey on your milksop variety of false virtue. Moral discernment isn't a cognitive function for everyone, maybe consider corssword puzzles or art appreciation. > Everyone in the Model Railroad Industry is suffering from production delays >brought about by the management collapse of Sanda Kan coupled with the economic >expansion of China and the downturn of the rest of the world's economies. > Not 'everyone' is making false promises. I didn't criticize the troubles of the industry. I criticized the false claims. Pay attention. > Many companies have finished product sitting in China not being shipped for >lack of money. Banks will not make short term loans especially when a company >has had many months of low cash flow due to not being able to get product to >satisfy orders because of the difficulties. Irrelevant, again. > > I don't know which factory Lionel is using for the U33C; but I suspect that the >Lionel people have been given a reasonable firm date a number of times and are >just as frustrated as the consumers are. Possibly, and if so, then they can say so, rather than just quietly shifting the ship dates, time and again, with no apology, and no explanation. In fact, some of the shifting ship dates, just quietly disappear. Poor form! dr Y [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63897	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: Baldwin parts

Hi John, I have those parts, please email me seccia@... Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: johntech <beebear@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 9:29:07 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Baldwin parts Does anyone have or sell the pickup buttons and springs for the Baldwin diesels?? Price? Thanks John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63898	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 3/18/2011
Subject: Re: Cost in China Vs. USA

Very interesting and great info. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> Sender: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 01:45:27 To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Cost in China Vs. USA Hi All, I can give some insight here although not train related. The chemical industry I'm in uses a specialty, extremely high temperature, NB stainless steel alloy, air-to-vapor heat exchanger. Until approximately 5 years ago the only supplier was in the US and charged around $850,000 each for these exchangers. This US cmopnay had a world-wide monopoloy on these exchangers. Five years ago a Chinese manufacturer entered the market with a superior exchanger at a cost of $500,000. The industry was slow to adapt due to the "made-in-China" question, but almost all are now buying from the Chinese Manufacturer. The US manufacturer has held his price at $850,000 and needless to say is loosing what was just a few years ago a world-wide monopoly on these exchangers. In the last six months two new Chinese manufacturers have arrived on the scene and are offering identical exchangers for $300,000. I will visit both of these manufacturers on my next visit to China to qualify them to supply our plants worldwide. It would not surprise me at all if the Current Chinese manufacturer lowers his price to meet his new competitors' pricing. The Chinese (particularly in southern China) are discovering capitalism are very aggresive. Again comparing costs, it costs less to ship these very large units from China to Houston than it costs to truck them from Houston to our plants less than 500 miles inland. The only down side is the 2 - 3 month delivery time via ocean freight from China. We have had no problems with missed or late shipments because when the Chinese we work with make a promise they do everything possible to meet it. If anything they ship early. Why Lionel seems to want to blame the Chinese I can't answer, but I can say they do excellent work for my company. BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63899	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel

On 3/18/2011 10:48 PM, John Metzger wrote: > We are all now at the mercy of the far eastern > oriental countries (china, korea japan) where are > manufacturing has been moved too. What makes it "our" manufacturing? The market today is the world, in terms of investment, production, sales. We have always been at the mercy of those we depend on, for employment, products, services, the only thing new here is that the market has expanded via technology (communication, transportation) to include the world. That, in accordance with free market economic principles, is goodness, and is the only thing keeping prices down. It is also goodness in terms of world peace, as nations rarely go to war with those they depend upon. > These manufacturing companies never keep production > promises. USA consumers have put themselves into > this to get cheeply priced goods. Consumers always support the best price-performers, and that includes everyone on this list. Producers do the same, that is they look for the best combination of price and reliability in their customers. That is how business is done, and we should all recognize such win win deals as beneficial to all. > This hurts USA workers and lost jobs. Only when looked at in a near sighted way. Most money spent on Chinese goods comes back to American products. We are a big time exporter, and trade between nations is as beneficial to those nations and trade between states, as trade between individuals. Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63900	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel

Dear Dr. Y?, I have no idea why the Lionel U33C project is being delayed. But, having been in a similar position with both our F3 and 2-8-0 from most likely the same builder, Sanda Kan (but I could be completely wrong here), I know that lately they have been having problems with supply and QC (quality control). But, my hope is that they delay is so they can correct the pilot/truck swing that I saw in the sample last fall in York. I know this is important in three rail for the sharp radius curves, but only needed on the longest engines in S gauge. I hope they realize that this design flaw will cost them scale sales that they are hoping to develop. With every project I have been involved, I have always found something that could have been done better if we had waited, of course you cannot wait forever. But, like my buddy Jim used to tell me when we were working on brass projects for the NASG, "Do you want it now? Or, do you want it right? Don On Mar 18, 2011, at 11:00 AM, navmedguy wrote: > Hello all. > After finding that the new Flionel U33C Legacy diesel is being > pushed back (again) to June now (supposedly)... > > dr y [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63901	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: A letter to Lionel

Mike, You put me on the floor with that one can't resist this one either...Please Mr. Postman lol To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mlmarmer@... Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:18:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:A letter to Lionel I think the letter will be returned to sender, address unknown. They wrote upon it, return to sender, address unknown and so on and so on. Just kidding, could not resist the Elvis Song. Good luck with this. Mike From: mrstumpy50 Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 2:48 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE:A letter to Lionel Like so many things in life, there was "the good old days" and there is today. The "toy" train manufacturers have always been slower than those providing product in N, HO, and the other "model" railroad scales. While the model market was more of a year around thing, the toy train market has always been centered on Christmas. Therefore, the model manufacturers had to have product all the time, but the toy manufacturers did not. But times have changed. Long before the current economic upheaval and the problems in China, the toy train manufacturers figured out that they now had a "collector" market available to them. This market would tolerate high prices and long delays, so naturally they took advantage. Lionel was about the only game in town through the seventies, and set the standard of limited availability and long delays. But this sort of environment of "created hunger for product" also made it easy for folks like Weaver, Williams, and MTH get a foothold in the market. About ten years ago, the N and HO manufacturers started to experiment with advertising product they didn't have. They also found that buyers would tolerate this and long delays. So now it is getting just as tough to get product in those scales. And like the toy train makers, you have to buy right away because it will not be made again. We are victims of our own human nature. As long as we hunger for product, they can do what they want, just like oil companies or drug dealers! ;-) Stumpy Stone...forced into "rehab" by lack of money. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63902	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: manufacturing delays...

Dear John, Never keep production promises? And you have had how many things produced in Asia? OK, some truth here...before Sanda Kan was purchased by JP Morgan (Asian division, but still American owned), almost every project was on time. Re-runs took 6 months from time that the purchase order was issued until the notice from our engineer that the order was shipped. New projects production(meaning new tooling) was dependent on several factors. The first being if the initial test shot of the tooling was accepted. If tooling modifications were needed, the project was delayed. The delays for tooling modification were depended on how big the correction as well as how busy the tooling department. Just like everything else, you would have to wait for time to open up on the machines. For items that required electrical components, you are now at the mercy of lead times. Although just about all electrical components are now made in Asia, they too are made in batches and by the tens of thousands. There have been times (mosfets for our first run of SW9s), where it was quicker for us to purchase Asian made parts here and ship them to back to our builder via FedEx. On the other hand, another problem is when do you start marketing a project? During the design ("L" SD-40 comes to mind)? When the purchase order is issued (our F3 was done that was and arrived 2 years later than projections)? When the tooling is started (our 2-8-0 was issued that way and it too was over 2 1/2 years late)? The problem of marketing too late during production is if you have a real winner (our 40' wooden reefer is an example), it may be too late to add additional items to your original purchase order. We ordered 5000 reefers, but ended up making over 7,000 the first run. If we had waited until the tooling was completed, we would have missed out on a lot of sales, and this helps pay for the tooling (that project cost us over US$40,000.00 to tool). My point is there are lots of reasons why projects are delayed and the truth be known, it is not a Asia problem, but really a universal problem. Stuff made here can be subject to the same delays... Don On Mar 18, 2011, at 10:48 PM, John Metzger wrote: > > .....These manufacturing companies never keep production promises. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63903	From: navmedguy	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel

There seems to be a confusion prevalent here. My letter is not a request that they necessarily 'hurry up.' Rather, I am criticizing the enormous disconnect between what they 'say' and what they 'do.' I understand that there can be unforeseen events. But at least, tell us. There is no explanation from Lionel with each quiet shifting of the ship date. This is the poor behavior to which I object. v/r Dr Y --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: > > Dear Dr. Y?, > I have no idea why the Lionel U33C project is being delayed. But, > having been in a similar position with both our F3 and 2-8-0 from most > likely the same builder, Sanda Kan (but I could be completely wrong > here), I know that lately they have been having problems with supply > and QC (quality control). But, my hope is that they delay is so they > can correct the pilot/truck swing that I saw in the sample last fall > in York. I know this is important in three rail for the sharp radius > curves, but only needed on the longest engines in S gauge. I hope > they realize that this design flaw will cost them scale sales that > they are hoping to develop. > With every project I have been involved, I have always found > something that could have been done better if we had waited, of course > you cannot wait forever. But, like my buddy Jim used to tell me when > we were working on brass projects for the NASG, "Do you want it now? > Or, do you want it right? > Don > > > On Mar 18, 2011, at 11:00 AM, navmedguy wrote: > > > Hello all. > > After finding that the new Flionel U33C Legacy diesel is being > > pushed back (again) to June now (supposedly)... > > > > dr y > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63904	From: Carey Probst	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel

The cars do look good but unfortunately are too modern. Some older ones would be really nice. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 3/18/2011 6:42 PM, weidner@... wrote: > > Hi all, have not been an active member of S-trains but was here when > it was first started but could not let this topic go by with out my 2 > cents worth, One the sanda Khan thing is a hobby wide problem across > all scales unfourtenetly. Second there is a new player in the S gauge > trains called Iron Rail Models all they have at the moment is a few > different types of highly detailed tank cars and are MOSTLY made here > in the USA except for the couplers. They are a bit pricey but do look > good. > > --- On Fri, 3/18/11, frank emiro <femiro2002@... > <mailto:femiro2002%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > From: frank emiro <femiro2002@... <mailto:femiro2002%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] A Letter to Lionel > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 5:13 PM > > > > Interesting. What is the true cost of a product made in USA = China ? > > Frank R. EMIRO > > --- On Fri, 3/18/11, Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@... > <mailto:danceswithwolves49%40hotmail.com>> wrote: > > From: Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@... > <mailto:danceswithwolves49%40hotmail.com>> > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] A Letter to Lionel > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 4:51 PM > > > > A lot of it has to do with import duty fees. For example the import > duty on items that are made in the US is more than for items that are > not made in the states. For example I used to play the bagpipes. The > import duty on a set of pipes was not very high because they are or at > the time were not made in the states. > Bob in Butte > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > From: femiro2002@... <mailto:femiro2002%40yahoo.com> > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:35:06 +0000 > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A Letter to Lionel > > Bob, that should be done. USA all the way. Why are the production > costs low in China , but we still buy at a high rate ? > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Bob Iannacone" <biannaco@... > <mailto:biannaco%40bellsouth.net>> > > Sender: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:47:59 > > To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A Letter to Lionel > > The U33C Legacy diesel is not the only delayed Lionel/American Flyer > > product. The Defender set that I ordered is now scheduled to be delivered > > in September! It was initially scheduled for delivery in January 2011. I > > wish we could bring back toy train manufacturing to America. > > Bob > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63905	From: navmedguy	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel

Again, my criticism isn't with the time frame per se, but with Lionel management's handling of the continued delays. If there is to be a delay, fine. Just tell us, apologize, and explain briefly. If the date is uncertain, say that too. Can you imagine the uproar if I promised to call in a prescription for a patient, then a week later, they called and I said "oh, I'll be calling that in next week (click)", and over and over for months? *That* is the absurdly poor management that generates my criticism. v/r Dr Y --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > > While frustrating and particularly painful with the hopes of child in the balance, try to wait it out. The Big Boy was long in coming and yet well worth the wait. Lionel didn't make the intial schedule on that, and arguably some of the reset dates, for a number of reasons, all of which we may never know, but among which was because of changes and improvements made to it - electrocoupler, Legacy control with Odyssey to mention a couple. The U33C is all new. My bet is there may be some logistic problems, but also too that they're working out some kinks and maybe making some improvements. Who knows, maybe a pilot that doesn't move with the coupler...because with S it doesn't need to? I ran my Big Boy at two shows within the last 2 months and everytime I'm grateful for the opportunity to do so - all without remembering the anxiety of waiting for it nearly/over 2 years. It'll be that way too before too long with the u-boat - just hard to imagine at the present time. Before you go ripping Lionel over schedule delays, don't forget they're who, in my opinion, breathed a new round of fun into S in 2005 with our first TMMC engines (NYC and B&O Connies) and since then provided additional and improved 2-8-2s and 4-6-2s plus upped the game to Legacy. In the big picture, the Big L has done a lot to make at least the last 6 years of S a lot of fun along with S-Helper and American Models. Hopefully they all and others will keep the ball rolling - on schedule or otherwise - and let's be glad they do. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63906	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: A letter to Lionel

Robert, I am glad you have a good sense of humor. Mr. Postman, the Marvelettes or Carpenter version? LOL And you can use a Forever stamp on any letter to Lionel. To make this train related, my track gang string from them is still sitting on my desk. Mike From: Robert Lampe Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 1:10 AM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE:A letter to Lionel Mike, You put me on the floor with that one can't resist this one either...Please Mr. Postman lol To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com From: mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:18:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:A letter to Lionel I think the letter will be returned to sender, address unknown. They wrote upon it, return to sender, address unknown and so on and so on. Just kidding, could not resist the Elvis Song. Good luck with this. Mike From: mrstumpy50 Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 2:48 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE:A letter to Lionel Like so many things in life, there was "the good old days" and there is today. The "toy" train manufacturers have always been slower than those providing product in N, HO, and the other "model" railroad scales. While the model market was more of a year around thing, the toy train market has always been centered on Christmas. Therefore, the model manufacturers had to have product all the time, but the toy manufacturers did not. But times have changed. Long before the current economic upheaval and the problems in China, the toy train manufacturers figured out that they now had a "collector" market available to them. This market would tolerate high prices and long delays, so naturally they took advantage. Lionel was about the only game in town through the seventies, and set the standard of limited availability and long delays. But this sort of environment of "created hunger for product" also made it easy for folks like Weaver, Williams, and MTH get a foothold in the market. About ten years ago, the N and HO manufacturers started to experiment with advertising product they didn't have. They also found that buyers would tolerate this and long delays. So now it is getting just as tough to get product in those scales. And like the toy train makers, you have to buy right away because it will not be made again. We are victims of our own human nature. As long as we hunger for product, they can do what they want, just like oil companies or drug dealers! ;-) Stumpy Stone...forced into "rehab" by lack of money. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63907	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: New Christmas kit bash cars

I have put some photos of my lastest Christmas kitbash cars. They are listed in the album "Wayne's Christmas Cars". I created the streamline passenger train a couple years ago, so this is an old-time passenger train for the North Pole Branch Line. The engine is an American Flyer 4-4-0. The only changes are, converted to DC and made new stickers for the tender and cab. The cars are all undecorated Bachmann 0n30 (combine, coach, observation for Santa's car) They were painted the appropriate colors and decals were made using white decal sheets so the decal color would not wash out on the dark color paint. The only problem I had with that was white decal sheets seem to be thicker than clear and don't do well on board siding etc. The trucks and couplers are AM 4 wheel heavy weight slightly modified to fit. The couplers had to be shortened to fit. We also created some shorty Christmas cars from AF cabeese. I'll try to get some photos of these on in the next few weeks. I may also reshoot these cars outside where the light is better. These are probably the last of my Christmas cars until next season. Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63908	From: william cole	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: manufacturing delays...

I learned something new today... that all the tooling cost figures that are thrown around ($80,000.00 is a popular number!) is not true.... thanks Don for letting us know how much things really cost. that's a lot of cars to sell to break even, let alone turn a profit ! <SNIP> If we had waited until the tooling was completed, we would have missed out on a lot of sales, and this helps pay for the tooling (that project cost us over US$40,000.00 to tool). Don <SNIP> Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) We ordered 5000 reefers, but [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63909	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: A letter to Lionel

oh and please...call me Bob all my friends do To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mlmarmer@... Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 10:02:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:A letter to Lionel Robert, I am glad you have a good sense of humor. Mr. Postman, the Marvelettes or Carpenter version? LOL And you can use a Forever stamp on any letter to Lionel. To make this train related, my track gang string from them is still sitting on my desk. Mike From: Robert Lampe Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 1:10 AM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE:A letter to Lionel Mike, You put me on the floor with that one can't resist this one either...Please Mr. Postman lol To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com From: mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:18:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:A letter to Lionel I think the letter will be returned to sender, address unknown. They wrote upon it, return to sender, address unknown and so on and so on. Just kidding, could not resist the Elvis Song. Good luck with this. Mike From: mrstumpy50 Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 2:48 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE:A letter to Lionel Like so many things in life, there was "the good old days" and there is today. The "toy" train manufacturers have always been slower than those providing product in N, HO, and the other "model" railroad scales. While the model market was more of a year around thing, the toy train market has always been centered on Christmas. Therefore, the model manufacturers had to have product all the time, but the toy manufacturers did not. But times have changed. Long before the current economic upheaval and the problems in China, the toy train manufacturers figured out that they now had a "collector" market available to them. This market would tolerate high prices and long delays, so naturally they took advantage. Lionel was about the only game in town through the seventies, and set the standard of limited availability and long delays. But this sort of environment of "created hunger for product" also made it easy for folks like Weaver, Williams, and MTH get a foothold in the market. About ten years ago, the N and HO manufacturers started to experiment with advertising product they didn't have. They also found that buyers would tolerate this and long delays. So now it is getting just as tough to get product in those scales. And like the toy train makers, you have to buy right away because it will not be made again. We are victims of our own human nature. As long as we hunger for product, they can do what they want, just like oil companies or drug dealers! ;-) Stumpy Stone...forced into "rehab" by lack of money. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63910	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: A letter to Lionel

Bob. Okay, thanks! Mike From: Robert Lampe Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 11:47 AM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE:A letter to Lionel oh and please...call me Bob all my friends do To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com From: mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 10:02:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:A letter to Lionel Robert, I am glad you have a good sense of humor. Mr. Postman, the Marvelettes or Carpenter version? LOL And you can use a Forever stamp on any letter to Lionel. To make this train related, my track gang string from them is still sitting on my desk. Mike From: Robert Lampe Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 1:10 AM To: mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE:A letter to Lionel Mike, You put me on the floor with that one can't resist this one either...Please Mr. Postman lol To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com From: mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:18:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:A letter to Lionel I think the letter will be returned to sender, address unknown. They wrote upon it, return to sender, address unknown and so on and so on. Just kidding, could not resist the Elvis Song. Good luck with this. Mike From: mrstumpy50 Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 2:48 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE:A letter to Lionel Like so many things in life, there was "the good old days" and there is today. The "toy" train manufacturers have always been slower than those providing product in N, HO, and the other "model" railroad scales. While the model market was more of a year around thing, the toy train market has always been centered on Christmas. Therefore, the model manufacturers had to have product all the time, but the toy manufacturers did not. But times have changed. Long before the current economic upheaval and the problems in China, the toy train manufacturers figured out that they now had a "collector" market available to them. This market would tolerate high prices and long delays, so naturally they took advantage. Lionel was about the only game in town through the seventies, and set the standard of limited availability and long delays. But this sort of environment of "created hunger for product" also made it easy for folks like Weaver, Williams, and MTH get a foothold in the market. About ten years ago, the N and HO manufacturers started to experiment with advertising product they didn't have. They also found that buyers would tolerate this and long delays. So now it is getting just as tough to get product in those scales. And like the toy train makers, you have to buy right away because it will not be made again. We are victims of our own human nature. As long as we hunger for product, they can do what they want, just like oil companies or drug dealers! ;-) Stumpy Stone...forced into "rehab" by lack of money. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63911	From: Carey Probst	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: A letter to Lionel

Which is different from one of my friends as I learned the day I met him. When someone asks if they can call him Bob is reply is "You may, but my friends call me Robert" Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 3/19/2011 11:47 AM, Robert Lampe wrote: > > > > > oh and please...call me Bob all my friends do > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63912	From: michael prell	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: New S Gauger

Congrats, Ben!!! They're never too young and it's never too soon to get the little ones on the right track! Peace and happiness to you and yours! S-notty   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 3/17/11, Ben <lbstiles@...> wrote: From: Ben <lbstiles@...> Subject: [S-Trains] New S Gauger To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011, 7:25 PM   Our little girl Emma Lynn was just born on Tuesday- 3/15. Lynn realized that the AF 315 K5 Pacific I just added to the collection a few weeks ago should be Emma's train! I love it! Does anyone make an "It's a Girl" boxcar in S gauge? Cheers- Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63913	From: michael prell	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: Cost in China Vs. USA

BG1 Are you describing dye-sublimation ink? If so, it sounds like just another ChiCom ripoff. I saw grass . And it was made in the USA~. S-notty  Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Fri, 3/18/11, femiro2002@... <femiro2002@...> wrote: From: femiro2002@... <femiro2002@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Cost in China Vs. USA To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 11:26 PM   Very interesting and great info. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> Sender: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 01:45:27 To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Cost in China Vs. USA Hi All, I can give some insight here although not train related. The chemical industry I'm in uses a specialty, extremely high temperature, NB stainless steel alloy, air-to-vapor heat exchanger. Until approximately 5 years ago the only supplier was in the US and charged around $850,000 each for these exchangers. This US cmopnay had a world-wide monopoloy on these exchangers. Five years ago a Chinese manufacturer entered the market with a superior exchanger at a cost of $500,000. The industry was slow to adapt due to the "made-in-China" question, but almost all are now buying from the Chinese Manufacturer. The US manufacturer has held his price at $850,000 and needless to say is loosing what was just a few years ago a world-wide monopoly on these exchangers. In the last six months two new Chinese manufacturers have arrived on the scene and are offering identical exchangers for $300,000. I will visit both of these manufacturers on my next visit to China to qualify them to supply our plants worldwide. It would not surprise me at all if the Current Chinese manufacturer lowers his price to meet his new competitors' pricing. The Chinese (particularly in southern China) are discovering capitalism are very aggresive. Again comparing costs, it costs less to ship these very large units from China to Houston than it costs to truck them from Houston to our plants less than 500 miles inland. The only down side is the 2 - 3 month delivery time via ocean freight from China. We have had no problems with missed or late shipments because when the Chinese we work with make a promise they do everything possible to meet it. If anything they ship early. Why Lionel seems to want to blame the Chinese I can't answer, but I can say they do excellent work for my company. BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63914	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Costs

That $40,000 that Don spoke of may be the cost of having the tooling built off-shore (in China?). The $80,000 may well be the cost for having those same tools built in the USA. Now that we have a dollar amount and a volume to work with, we can look a little closer at the costs. At a cost of $40,000 and a volume of 5,000 units, there is a "tooling charge" of $8.00 per unit (car?). Since this is probably done by one party are the other with borrowed money, the cost of that money must be passed on to us, the consumer. By the time we see it, there is a "profit" added to it. So, that "tooling charge" may well end up as $12 to $15 in the MSRP. You and I may not like it, but that is simply how it works. The consumer pays for what he gets. If there is no profit in it, then there will be no product. Simple. bigfoot [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63915	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: Costs

Dear B.F., Don't forget the unit costs for the cars, cost of shipping, marketing, discounts for Distributors and hobby shops... Don On Mar 19, 2011, at 2:40 PM, A. E. Johnson wrote: > That $40,000 that Don spoke of may be the cost of having the tooling > built > off-shore (in China?). The $80,000 may well be the cost for having > those > same tools built in the USA. > > Now that we have a dollar amount and a volume to work with, we can > look a > little closer at the costs. > > At a cost of $40,000 and a volume of 5,000 units, there is a "tooling > charge" of $8.00 per unit (car?). Since this is probably done by one > party > are the other with borrowed money, the cost of that money must be > passed on > to us, the consumer. By the time we see it, there is a "profit" > added to it. > So, that "tooling charge" may well end up as $12 to $15 in the MSRP. > > You and I may not like it, but that is simply how it works. The > consumer > pays for what he gets. If there is no profit in it, then there will > be no > product. Simple. > > bigfoot > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63916	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: manufacturing delays...

Dear Bill, Remember, with the 40' wooden reefer we used the same core as our other boxcars as well as the truck so the cost was lower. I also included the cost of plates and masks for this project which are more costly on reefers than other freight cars. Our PS2 that was tooled 7 year prior cost US$50,000.00. While the caboose tooled between both projects did cost us US$89,000.00. The last car we tooled that required all new tooling was the ore car and that cost just a shade lower than the caboose. But all these projects are cheaper than engines. Don On Mar 19, 2011, at 10:51 AM, william cole wrote: > I learned something new today... that all the tooling cost figures > that are thrown around ($80,000.00 is a popular number!) > > Don > > <SNIP> > > Bc > > LOandS@yahoogroups.com > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > Pink Spider: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in > coincidence." - V > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > SUPPORT ��Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007�� > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S > > "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) > We ordered 5000 reefers, but > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63917	From: Ben	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: S Scale RSSVP Models flat car kit for sale

I picked up some Bob Peare switches for my hi-rail layout at a train show the other day and got a flat car kit in the deal. It is an RSSVP Models PRR Class F-30-e 70 ton flat car kit. Included are very detailed instructions, two sets of scale trucks (NASG R-64 code 110 Betendorf trucks), lots of small scale wood for building the body of the car, Grandt Line details, and decals for PRR. I am asking $20 for the kit as I have no use for it...or best offer (I really do not know what this is worth- I don't do scale, and I don't do kits). If anyone is interested in just the trucks- and no one wants the kit- I could be persuaded. They are of no use to me. If no one wants any of it- I will just put all of the bits and pieces in my stash for future projects! Thanks! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63918	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: S Scale RSSVP Models flat car kit for sale

Where do I send the money, + how much to ship to wnnchester, KY ? --- On Sat, 3/19/11, Ben <lbstiles@...> wrote: From: Ben <lbstiles@...> Subject: [S-Trains] S Scale RSSVP Models flat car kit for sale To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 19, 2011, 5:22 PM   I picked up some Bob Peare switches for my hi-rail layout at a train show the other day and got a flat car kit in the deal. It is an RSSVP Models PRR Class F-30-e 70 ton flat car kit. Included are very detailed instructions, two sets of scale trucks (NASG R-64 code 110 Betendorf trucks), lots of small scale wood for building the body of the car, Grandt Line details, and decals for PRR. I am asking $20 for the kit as I have no use for it...or best offer (I really do not know what this is worth- I don't do scale, and I don't do kits). If anyone is interested in just the trucks- and no one wants the kit- I could be persuaded. They are of no use to me. If no one wants any of it- I will just put all of the bits and pieces in my stash for future projects! Thanks! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63919	From: Ben	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: S Scale RSSVP Models flat car kit for sale

Hi- Ben Stiles 212 Georgetown Road Strasburg, PA 17579 I can check on shipping charges. It might even make sense to send it priority flat rate...but I will check to see whatever is cheapest to your zip code. Thanks! Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, JFrederick Roberts <jfred436@...> wrote: > > Where do I send the money, + how much to ship to wnnchester, KY ? > > --- On Sat, 3/19/11, Ben <lbstiles@...> wrote: > > > From: Ben <lbstiles@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] S Scale RSSVP Models flat car kit for sale > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, March 19, 2011, 5:22 PM > > >   > > > > I picked up some Bob Peare switches for my hi-rail layout at a train show the other day and got a flat car kit in the deal. > > It is an RSSVP Models PRR Class F-30-e 70 ton flat car kit. Included are very detailed instructions, two sets of scale trucks (NASG R-64 code 110 Betendorf trucks), lots of small scale wood for building the body of the car, Grandt Line details, and decals for PRR. > > I am asking $20 for the kit as I have no use for it...or best offer (I really do not know what this is worth- I don't do scale, and I don't do kits). > > If anyone is interested in just the trucks- and no one wants the kit- I could be persuaded. They are of no use to me. > > If no one wants any of it- I will just put all of the bits and pieces in my stash for future projects! > > Thanks! Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63920	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: A Letter to Lionel

LIONEL WILL be at NTTM on Wednesday April 13, 4 PM in the "Atrium". COME ON DOWN. No way of knowing in advance who will appear, other than "Old Reliable--J Don Reese" Occasionally, Mr Calabrese himself arrives and participates. They have a question and answer period, being respectful in the questioning will probably get you a better response than a customer with MAJOR problems with a $1,500 engine got, some yrs ago. He asked "Kenny", who may have been the "Director of Parts Running Out of the Box", for help. Kenny turned his back on the guy and walked away. The customer looked incredulous, I wasn't surprised a bit, they ALREADY had his money. . Kenny moved on to another train company, he's the prez now of that outfit. Jim Lyle In a message dated 3/18/2011 11:57:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, navmedguy@... writes: Hello all. After finding that the new Flionel U33C Legacy diesel is being pushed back (again) to June now (supposedly), I typed a letter to Lionel. It will do no good, but I feel slightly better. I have been promising my 3 year old son the new American Flyer U33C for many months now. Based on your 2010 ship date of November, then December, then April 2011, and now June. This isn't funny. Why can't your company get on top of these issues so that you're at least remotely close to the actual ship date? You realize the message you're sending to everyone about your company, right? --Totally unreliable. If management can't coordinate even a vaguely accurate release date, what are the chances they can coordinate proper quality control, quality design, etc.? Low. Do your realize that Lionel's reliability is a joke within the train community? When someone says Lionel is shipping a product in, say, 'June,' the inevitable corollary is, ' of course, we don't know what year yet.' So this isn't a 'one time only, we're sorry in this one instance for unforeseen circumstances, this happens so rarely,' kind of thing. So that I can stop having to explain to my son why the train isn't coming for *another* 3 months (or who knows how long), and for your own business best interest, get your act together. If it's going to be a year, tell us. dr y ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63921	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Re: TRUE SCALE trees

Jerry, I sent you a picture of my mint car with trees in the bag, still sealed. The trees are the same height. Mike From: gerald r dobbs Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 4:22 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] TRUE SCALE trees :To date I have has some feed back, so far all the trees have had 5 or 6 branches on a car , non mixed and no report of a 7 branch tree If any more information turns up I will pass it on AND know I am looking for a # 24558 car (reasonable ) Jerry 24558 Canadian Pacific ??? I just picked a package of TRUE SCALE trees at a train show. I have had two of the 24558 Canadian Pacific flat cars in the past and sold them because they had no trees. Now I am researching these trees. They look like the trees I have seen at other train shows. and are different heights, as shower on page 136 Greenburg's book. The branches all look the same and have the green flock glued to the branches, The roots look the same & all have a joint up from the roots the ( base of the tree ) #1 tree is 3 1/4" tall, 7 branches, 3/4" up to the joint. #2 tree is 2 3/4" tall 7 branches , 1/4 " up to the joint, #3 tree is 2 3/4" tall, 6 branches, 1/2 " up to the joint. #4 tree is 2 1/2" tall, 5 branches, 3/4" up to the joint #5 tree is 2" 'tall, 5 branches, 1/2" up to the joint. The Question, did Gilbert use a same size trees or just use any height tree that true scale supplied ?? so many years ?? So many trees ?? so many second owners. of these cars. Any one having purchased one of the cars new ?? may have the answer. How many of you are out there ?? Jerry 77-11644 __________________________________________________________ Groupon™ Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d827be5adac611fc3m06duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63922	From: Brady	Date: 3/19/2011
Subject: Helpers

Anybody running helpers/pushers on their layout? http://www.trainweb.org/horseshoecurve-nrhs/Photos/Burket/2-7-01/J1_I1_WB_on_HC.jpg Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63923	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/20/2011
Subject: Re: Helpers

Dear Brady, By using our #01295 on our 2-8-0 pilot, the modeler is able to double head or push providing that the lead engine as well as the caboose used either our #01295 or the KD 802/808 coupler. When double heading, the trailing unit can still have the AF comp. coupler if so needed. During the design phase or this project we realized that the AC Gilbert Co. only had working couplers on the front of the switcher steam engines and not on the road units. On our display layout, we would run as many as three 2-8-0s with two double headed and a single unit pushing. Don On Mar 19, 2011, at 11:28 PM, Brady wrote: > Anybody running helpers/pushers on their layout? > > http://www.trainweb.org/horseshoecurve-nrhs/Photos/Burket/2-7-01/J1_I1_WB_on_HC.jpg > > Brady Burdge > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63924	From: richs009	Date: 3/20/2011
Subject: Re: Helpers

Brady -- take a look at this on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuC3Bzcd1bQ I can't tell for sure, but the second atlantic looks like it doesn't have a front pilot/cowcatcher. I really like this layout - looks to me like a variant on the 'old' Sibley dept. store layout (which is also available on youtube). Pretty cool. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Brady" <brady@...> wrote: > > Anybody running helpers/pushers on their layout? > > http://www.trainweb.org/horseshoecurve-nrhs/Photos/Burket/2-7-01/J1_I1_WB_on_HC.jpg > > > Brady Burdge >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63925	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/20/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/20/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday March 20, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63926	From: A. E. Johnson	Date: 3/20/2011
Subject: Re: Costs

Don and Panel. It is not and was not my intent to put down a supplier to our hobby. I was making general comments on the cost structure. Several years ago my wife worked for a furrier in the Oklahoma City area. The mark up on the furs was 100% of what her store paid for them. Since she was the bookkeeper, she was aware of the store's profit at the end of the year. That mark-up was well invaded by advertising costs, rents on the building, depreciation on fixtures, taxes, utilities, insurance, and payroll. What looked to be a 100% mark-up turned out to be closer to 10 to 12% gross profit at the end of the year. Then the owner had to pay Income Tax. In the end, the owner made a little money, but he was in the business to enjoy his customers. When he retired, the business was closed down. bigfoot From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Thompson Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 3:57 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Costs Dear B.F., Don't forget the unit costs for the cars, cost of shipping, marketing, discounts for Distributors and hobby shops... Don On Mar 19, 2011, at 2:40 PM, A. E. Johnson wrote: > That $40,000 that Don spoke of may be the cost of having the tooling > built > off-shore (in China?). The $80,000 may well be the cost for having > those > same tools built in the USA. > > Now that we have a dollar amount and a volume to work with, we can > look a > little closer at the costs. > > At a cost of $40,000 and a volume of 5,000 units, there is a "tooling > charge" of $8.00 per unit (car?). Since this is probably done by one > party > are the other with borrowed money, the cost of that money must be > passed on > to us, the consumer. By the time we see it, there is a "profit" > added to it. > So, that "tooling charge" may well end up as $12 to $15 in the MSRP. > > You and I may not like it, but that is simply how it works. The > consumer > pays for what he gets. If there is no profit in it, then there will > be no > product. Simple. > > bigfoot > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63927	From: navmedguy	Date: 3/21/2011
Subject: Re: A letter to Lionel

Hello, I don't quite agree with the idea that 'as long as we hunger for a product, *they* can do whatever they want to us.' This is true in the context of the tax, regulatory, trade policy, and subsidy situation we're stuck with currently (hopefully not forever.) However, assuming a sufficient demand to make the model train market lucrative enough to attract producers, and assuming a *truly free market,* then, no, *they* can't do whatever they want to us. In a truly free market, the consumer will be pleased to see real competition to supply marketable quantity of product of the highest quality at the lowest price. Companies refusing to engage in this process of competition will be marginalized, and eventually fail. Keep in mind that it is the combination of quality and price and supply which competes, not just price, and not just quality, and not just supply. In the current S gauge market, based on a cursory look at that market only, I would say that it is the corporate tax structure, and foreign trade policy which creates the too large hurdle for new companies to enter the market. To be sure, tooling and design and start up costs are always a hurdle. But These are relative constants for an industry. The corporate tax structure cuts the profit margin considerably, making the effort to start up and compete, 'less worth it.' Moreover, a foreign production effort is made *nearly* necessary due to the federal trade policies which do not protect the level playing field of american workers. It gets very complicated at this point, because the american wage is falsely elevated (as are consumer prices) due to our fed and state income tax, union laws, anti-trust laws, legal issues, minimum wage laws, subsidy laws in other key economic areas such as food production, energy production, etc., fed interest rate tinkering, and gov backed financial organizations backing various loans..... gasp... In the end, over 80 years or so, prices across the economy are falsely elevated and various wage factors are pushed to keep up.... It then becomes a very difficult thing to adjust import/export duties to keep the american worker competitive with overseas wage rates. It's a BIG FAT MESS. In the end, thanks to our years of poor govt policy, a number of industries reach a situation in which the old established companies *can* do just about whatever they want, because the govt created economic landscape is too ugly for them to fear any competitive startups. Great. Just what we don't want. So, in the end... they * can* do whatever *they* want... but it needn't be that way. 80 years of electing some clear thinking capitalists would help.... some. v/r dry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Like so many things in life, there was "the good old days" and there is today. The "toy" train manufacturers have always been slower than those providing product in N, HO, and the other "model" railroad scales. > While the model market was more of a year around thing, the toy train market has always been centered on Christmas. Therefore, the model manufacturers had to have product all the time, but the toy manufacturers did not. > But times have changed. > Long before the current economic upheaval and the problems in China, the toy train manufacturers figured out that they now had a "collector" market available to them. This market would tolerate high prices and long delays, so naturally they took advantage. Lionel was about the only game in town through the seventies, and set the standard of limited availability and long delays. But this sort of environment of "created hunger for product" also made it easy for folks like Weaver, Williams, and MTH get a foothold in the market. > About ten years ago, the N and HO manufacturers started to experiment with advertising product they didn't have. They also found that buyers would tolerate this and long delays. So now it is getting just as tough to get product in those scales. And like the toy train makers, you have to buy right away because it will not be made again. > We are victims of our own human nature. As long as we hunger for product, they can do what they want, just like oil companies or drug dealers! ;-) > Stumpy Stone...forced into "rehab" by lack of money. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63928	From: Clifford M	Date: 3/21/2011
Subject: Installing a Dallee #400 unit in a AF 360 engine

I have a AF 360 twin motor Sante Fe > engine that I am converting to a #400 e-unit by Dallee. > The instructions are very good but I am wondering if there > is anything special I need to know. My concern is the power. > Do I need to worry about the fact that one side is carried > by the frame? > I have done conversations before on other models but none > that were twin motored. > Any help including making the instructions specific to the > 360 would be appreciated. > Clifford Manning > clifma19@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63929	From: americanflyer1953	Date: 3/21/2011
Subject: AF knuckle replacement

I have a 1953 heavyweight passenger car that needs it's knuckle coupler replaced, Any help? Thanks Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63930	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/21/2011
Subject: Guys and GAL - Sets for sale

I will be at the Reliance Fire Hall in April..... Going to bring about 20-25 sets with me to sell.... If you have needs for any listed below.... ( list is old so it might be out of date... There are some others I have already found... not boxed)) send me a note and maybe i can bring it... I am wanting to reduce the pile to about 25 sets..... Not sure which ones I am keeping yet..... Will have othe stuff with me.... 375 etc...... Bob Conner           4619A OB 4620A OB 128 OB 1120 OB 1126 OB 1152 OB 1177 OB 1180 OB 4603   4605 OB 4607 OB 4611 OB 4611 OB 4621   5004 OB 5008   20018 OB 20018 OB 20117 OB 20118 OB 20119 OB 20123   20123 OB 20142   20145   20147 OB 20172 OB 20176   20202 OB 20207 OB 20227 OB 20232 OB 20234 OB 20241 OB 20310 OB 20315   20320 OB 20325 OB 20460 OB 20505 OB 20530 OB 20535 OB 20558 OB 20597 OB 20610 OB 20615 OB 20620 OB 20705 OB 20705 OB 20710 OB 20710 OB 20720 OB 20762 OB 20764 OB 20800 OB     20811 OB 20814 OB 30315 OB 121811 OB ????? 312   1120 ??? OB 20105-1130 OB 2024??? OB 20475-20465   20710 ???   320FS-43 OB 39N3 OB 4607? OB 4607A OB 4607A OB 4609A   4611A OB 4730A OB 4803A OB 48T OB 4904T OB 4904T OB     4914A OB 5001T OB 5002T OB 5002T OB 5005WT OB 5008A   50T OB 5103WT OB 5106WT OB 5107W   5108W OB 5204W OB 5205WX OB 5206W OB 5311T OB 5317T   5322T OB 5358W OB 5374W OB 5375W   5417T   5435W OB 5510T OB 5525TBW   5530TBW   5540TBW   5555W OB 5610T   5630TBW OB 5660TW   85SP OB 9991-20127 OB 9992-20118 OB ADV 100 OB K5210W OB K5312T OB K5329 OB K5351W OB K5352W OB K5375W   K5412T OB K5412T OB K5419T OB K5437T OB 20340   5411T   5306T   5565W   20228   4803A   K5345W   K5328   5103WT   20510   5300T   4801A   5364W   5363W   5004   CIRCUS REPRO 21085   CASEY JONES FRANKLIN   ROYAL BLUE   5004   5108W   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63931	From: Timboy	Date: 3/21/2011
Subject: Re: Blog

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "americanflyer1953" <yank7777@...> wrote: > > What happened to your Blog? > > AF53 > aka Ray Ray: I moved my blog to a new address: http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ The blog name says it all. lol Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63932	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/21/2011
Subject: Re: Helpers

Turns out I did a Youtube video of my double header NYC Mikes - - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5wMinXrWDU <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5wMinXrWDU> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63933	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/21/2011
Subject: Re: Helpers

I run a double header of Lionel AF NYC Mikados connected by an S-Helper coupler that I fashioned to fit in the coupler box of the rear engine. To put it back to original, just remove the tiny screw, remove the SHS unit, insert the original "scale" coupler, and screw back in the screw. Double heading with TMCC or Legacy is fun. Every engine emits sounds, but only the lead engine headlight lighs and has the whistle, bell, cabcom. When you back up the tail light of only the rear engine illuminates. The asynchronis chuff of the two working together is cool.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63934	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/21/2011
Subject: Re: Installing a Dallee #400 unit in a AF 360 engine

I haven't installed a 400 in a 360 or 470, but I have in 336 and it came out great. I recommended one to a friend of mine who just installed it using the instruction sheet in his Lionel AF Erie PA and it runs fantastic (which Erie PAs otherwise are not known for doing). I too don't particularly like a live chassis either, but done right (everything else isolated/insulated from it that should be) it is a design that works. Good luck with it and let us know how it ends up.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63936	From: sgaugian	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: Installing a Dallee #400 unit in a AF 360 engine

You don't need to make the chassis hot. 360s have insulating bushings on the front and rear trucks. Don't change that. The hot chassis bit is an O-gauge carry over - most of their engines utilize a grounded or base connected chassis. Flyer PAs do not. The reverse unit simply needs a lead from each truck and to have its wires run correctly to each motor. Remember the motors face each other, or in other words are opposite to one another. If it runs in reverse when it should run in forward (default) then switch the truck leads to the unit. I'll try to pull the instructions to a 400 and see if there's anything more to it than that, but I don't think so.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63937	From: clifma19@cox.net	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: Installing a Dallee #400 unit in a AF 360 engine

Thanks for the help. ---- sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > > You don't need to make the chassis hot. 360s have insulating bushings > on the front and rear trucks. Don't change that. The hot chassis bit > is an O-gauge carry over - most of their engines utilize a grounded or > base connected chassis. Flyer PAs do not. The reverse unit simply > needs a lead from each truck and to have its wires run correctly to each > motor. Remember the motors face each other, or in other words are > opposite to one another. If it runs in reverse when it should run in > forward (default) then switch the truck leads to the unit. I'll try to > pull the instructions to a 400 and see if there's anything more to it > than that, but I don't think so. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63938	From: Scott	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: Helpers

Double Heading has become a neccesity with my long trains. I like to use a 336 or 322 lashed up with an American models GG1 or 374 GP7 to pull my 40-50 car trains. I find that this usually works, except that is a lot of power draw on our large layout. I can usually space the out without cars jacknifing or uncoupling. Another alterative is the portline hobbies double header bracket for hudsons and northerns which requires no modification to add. Hope this helps. Scott --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > > I run a double header of Lionel AF NYC Mikados connected by an S-Helper coupler that I fashioned to fit in the coupler box of the rear engine. To put it back to original, just remove the tiny screw, remove the SHS unit, insert the original "scale" coupler, and screw back in the screw. Double heading with TMCC or Legacy is fun. Every engine emits sounds, but only the lead engine headlight lighs and has the whistle, bell, cabcom. When you back up the tail light of only the rear engine illuminates. The asynchronis chuff of the two working together is cool. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63939	From: Ray Puls	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: helpers

I do agree, after the inquiry about helpers I tried it myself. I used a pair of Flyonel GPs in which were installed TMCC driver boards from ERR. I used a Milw Rd. GP as the head end engine and a NKP GP as the pusher, only 13 cars but it worked even through Flyer switches and on all original Flyer tracks. Then I went one step farther and put a converted 283 at the head end pulling twelve cars followed by the Milw Rd GP as a helper. This engine was followed by eleven more cars and had the Nkp GP as the pusher. Clean  and well gauged free spinning wheel sets are important when you try this, as well as close running engines. It can be done. Ray  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63940	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: beast

Has anyone noticed the 6-8-6 "CIRCUS STEAM TURBINE" for sale on e-bay? Somebody's been busy. I only wish somebody would produce a Chicago North Western streamlined Hudson. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63941	From: Brady	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: Helpers

Rich, Great video and layout. I think you're right, it looks like the front pilot has been removed. Running a helper district would probably be pretty easy (and inexpensive) with plastic Atlantics. Brady Burdge --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "richs009" <richs009@...> wrote: > > Brady -- take a look at this on youtube: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuC3Bzcd1bQ > > I can't tell for sure, but the second atlantic looks like it doesn't have a front pilot/cowcatcher. I really like this layout - looks to me like a variant on the 'old' Sibley dept. store layout (which is also available on youtube). Pretty cool. > > - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63942	From: michael prell	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: Blog

Tim, Thanks for the heads up. Nicely done. Nicely stated! Stay cool! S-notty   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 3/21/11, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote: From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Blog To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 21, 2011, 4:00 PM   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "americanflyer1953" <yank7777@...> wrote: > > What happened to your Blog? > > AF53 > aka Ray Ray: I moved my blog to a new address: http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ The blog name says it all. lol Regards, Timboy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63943	From: s-nut	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: beast

From: Alan Lambert Lone Star Flyer Club Arlington, Texas Jack, Can you give everyone an item number to look up on ebay. I tried to look up 6-8-6 " and came up with nothing will try again. Thanks, Alan --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote: > > Has anyone noticed the 6-8-6 "CIRCUS STEAM TURBINE" for sale on e-bay? > > Somebody's been busy. > > I only wish somebody would produce a Chicago North Western streamlined Hudson. > > Jack > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63944	From: s-nut	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: beast

Jack, The only 6-8-6 steam turbine I found was "O" scale not "S" --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote: > > Has anyone noticed the 6-8-6 "CIRCUS STEAM TURBINE" for sale on e-bay? > > Somebody's been busy. > > I only wish somebody would produce a Chicago North Western streamlined Hudson. > > Jack > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63945	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: beast

sEARCH circus!!!!!!!!! --- On Tue, 3/22/11, s-nut <adlbert1950@...> wrote: From: s-nut <adlbert1950@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: beast To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 12:51 PM   Jack, The only 6-8-6 steam turbine I found was "O" scale not "S" --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote: > > Has anyone noticed the 6-8-6 "CIRCUS STEAM TURBINE" for sale on e-bay? > > Somebody's been busy. > > I only wish somebody would produce a Chicago North Western streamlined Hudson. > > Jack > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63946	From: Edward	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Kit Bashed ...

KiT bashed Circus Train.....E bay # 300536479603

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63947	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: beast part 2

The item number is 300536479603 Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63948	From: richs009	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: beast

Indeed, that's how I found it. But here's the item # 300536479603 It doesn't say that its a 'steam turbine'. It is an interesting kit bash. The boiler shell has been extended to accommodate the 8 driver chassis, not to mention the 6 wheel lead and trailing trucks. Just looking at the photos, I couldn't detect a seam between the two boiler pieces. It does not have any piston rods or crosshead rods. Still, it has attracted a fair amount of attention on eBay... The seller claims its a model of a PRR S-1, but that was a 6-4-4-6 with duplex gear - and a rigid frame(!!), which rendered it almost useless for most of the PRR curves. Wikipedia has a nice discussion of this one-off experimental steam loco. rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: > > sEARCH circus!!!!!!!!! > > --- On Tue, 3/22/11, s-nut <adlbert1950@...> wrote: > > > From: s-nut <adlbert1950@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: beast > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 12:51 PM > > >   > > > > Jack, > The only 6-8-6 steam turbine I found was "O" scale not "S" > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@> wrote: > > > > Has anyone noticed the 6-8-6 "CIRCUS STEAM TURBINE" for sale on e-bay? > > > > Somebody's been busy. > > > > I only wish somebody would produce a Chicago North Western streamlined Hudson. > > > > Jack > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63949	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: beast part 2

Thanks Jack I found it.                               Alan --- On Tue, 3/22/11, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote: From: Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> Subject: [S-Trains] beast part 2 To: "s-trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 1:15 PM   The item number is 300536479603 Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63950	From: Mike Andrzejewski	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: beast

Whatever you might think about this kit bash, the quality of work appears to be top-notch. As was mentioned earlier, the seam is not noticeable. The paint job looks good and overall the work looks to be clean and neat. I wonder if the seller does restorations. Mike Andrzejewski ________________________________ From: richs009 <richs009@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, March 22, 2011 2:23:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: beast Indeed, that's how I found it. But here's the item # 300536479603 It doesn't say that its a 'steam turbine'. It is an interesting kit bash. The boiler shell has been extended to accommodate the 8 driver chassis, not to mention the 6 wheel lead and trailing trucks. Just looking at the photos, I couldn't detect a seam between the two boiler pieces. It does not have any piston rods or crosshead rods. Still, it has attracted a fair amount of attention on eBay... The seller claims its a model of a PRR S-1, but that was a 6-4-4-6 with duplex gear - and a rigid frame(!!), which rendered it almost useless for most of the PRR curves. Wikipedia has a nice discussion of this one-off experimental steam loco. rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: > > sEARCH circus!!!!!!!!! > > --- On Tue, 3/22/11, s-nut <adlbert1950@...> wrote: > > > From: s-nut <adlbert1950@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: beast > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 12:51 PM > > > Â > > > > Jack, > The only 6-8-6 steam turbine I found was "O" scale not "S" > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@> wrote: > > > > Has anyone noticed the 6-8-6 "CIRCUS STEAM TURBINE" for sale on e-bay? > > > > Somebody's been busy. > > > > I only wish somebody would produce a Chicago North Western streamlined >Hudson. > > > > Jack > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63951	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: beast

That is a very nice looking creation. Hardly a model of the S-1, but somewhat inspired by it. Very creative to use the smoke in tender unit and the 6 wheel passenger trucks. Looks like quality work and he certainly gave a complete description. My only criticism is the use of the 353 number, because it is certainly not a 353. Why not take some unused 35- number, like 351 or 352? Dale On 3/22/2011 6:13 AM, Jack Nowosielski wrote: > > Has anyone noticed the 6-8-6 "CIRCUS STEAM TURBINE" for sale on e-bay? > > Somebody's been busy. > > I only wish somebody would produce a Chicago North Western streamlined > Hudson. > > Jack > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63952	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Vintage Pennsy Photos in Color

Randy Masales Pennsylvania Railroad Album.. http://picasaweb.google.com/herkamur42/RandyMasalesPennsylvaniaRailroad# Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63953	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: The Beast

When you kitbash, you can number it any way you want to! But in this case why not use the real Pennsy turbine's road number? By the way, for those who don't know, the Pennsy turbine had no valve gear, driving rods, and so on, just side rods. This was because it was driven by a steam turbine under the boiler, not by conventional cylinders under the smokebox. Six wheel lead and trailing trucks were made necessary by the engine's weight caused by shortages of strategic alloys during the war, otherwise it would have been a 4-6-4. The same thing added weight to the 2-6-6-6 Alleghany on the C&O. Fine kitbashing anyway you cut it however! Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63954	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: The Beast

From: Alan Lambert Lne Star Flyer club Arlington, Texas   Hey Stumpy, Thanks for the added info.It helps to know.Being from Texas, I did not get to see that much steam.  born too late 1950, but love it anway. thats what I mostly have for  my small layout. Love hearing from someone that knows about the reall thing. � Thanks, � Alan --- On Tue, 3/22/11, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: The Beast To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 6:51 PM   When you kitbash, you can number it any way you want to! But in this case why not use the real Pennsy turbine's road number? By the way, for those who don't know, the Pennsy turbine had no valve gear, driving rods, and so on, just side rods. This was because it was driven by a steam turbine under the boiler, not by conventional cylinders under the smokebox. Six wheel lead and trailing trucks were made necessary by the engine's weight caused by shortages of strategic alloys during the war, otherwise it would have been a 4-6-4. The same thing added weight to the 2-6-6-6 Alleghany on the C&O. Fine kitbashing anyway you cut it however! Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63955	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/22/2011
Subject: Re: The Beast

One other thing hit me on this kitbash. The seller states, " This engine has the rare factory casting with the full cutout cab windows in the engineers cab." I have checked all my sources and can't find such a variation. Is he correct about cut out windows? Maybe he found a cab with the cutout windows done by some earlier kitbasher and assumed it was a rare variation, but why kitbash a rare variation? Either that or he cut them out. Either way a nice locomotive, but I prefer truth to fiction. As to the numbering, my thought was that since he has created something quite different, he might have wanted to number it in a way to emphasize its difference. I think that is just my collector side coming out. As to numbering it like the Pennsy Turbine, it really looks more like the S-1 than the turbine, so why not number it like the S-1? Dale On 3/22/2011 3:51 PM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > > When you kitbash, you can number it any way you want to! But in this > case why not use the real Pennsy turbine's road number? > By the way, for those who don't know, the Pennsy turbine had no valve > gear, driving rods, and so on, just side rods. This was because it was > driven by a steam turbine under the boiler, not by conventional > cylinders under the smokebox. > Six wheel lead and trailing trucks were made necessary by the engine's > weight caused by shortages of strategic alloys during the war, > otherwise it would have been a 4-6-4. The same thing added weight to > the 2-6-6-6 Alleghany on the C&O. > Fine kitbashing anyway you cut it however! > Stumpy Stone...Creative Imagineer in Appalachia. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63956	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 3/23/2011
Subject: 6-8-6

On E-Bay it is: http://cgi.ebay.com/AF-6-8-6-CIRCUS-ENGINE-BIG-MOTOR-and-SIT-Tender-/300536479603?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item45f95ebf73 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63957	From: Brady	Date: 3/23/2011
Subject: Re: Helpers

> Turns out I did a Youtube video of my double header NYC Mikes - - > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5wMinXrWDU Very nice locomotives Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63958	From: Doug Peck	Date: 3/23/2011
Subject: Re: Installing a Dallee #400 unit in a AF 360 engine

When I sell a Dallee e-unit, I supply a re-write of their Instruction Sheet. I wrote it to be specific to 2-rail AF installation, without confusing it with O-gauge installations. If you'd like a copy, email me off-list and I can email you a copy. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com www.flyerparts.com <http://www.flyerparts.com/> www.sgaugetrains.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63959	From: Ray Puls	Date: 3/23/2011
Subject: Vintage Pennsy photos in color

Brady, Though I am not a great Penn RR fan myself,thank you for the link to these pics, they are great. Many pictures I had never seen before and seeing these I can more appreciate what Pennsy fans like about their favorite road. I did forward this link to some of my friends who follow the Penn Rd. Thank you again Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63960	From: afburl	Date: 3/23/2011
Subject: SHS Rail

Hi, Maybe someone can help me out. I am building a new layout to operate S trains. From talking to those in the S community, it seems that using SHS flex track with Tom's Turnouts will accomodate my AF, hirail and scale equipment. I think that I have enough flex track, but I am short of the number of turnouts that I need. Does anyone have any extra SHS rail for sale so that I can finish building turnouts? Thank you. Keith Erhart

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63961	From: Donald Keil	Date: 3/23/2011
Subject: Re: Plans For 52" Corner Module Using Google Sketch-Up

Allen I am looking at setting up standards for a new s gauge club here in western Mi so any information you can supply would help. Have a meeting tonight with the group set up to suggest a plan. Don Keil dlkeil@... 616 304 8244 ________________________________ From: Allen <allen.evans@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, March 22, 2011 2:00:12 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Plans For 52" Corner Module Using Google Sketch-Up I just uploaded a set of plans in the files section that give you all dimensions and geometry for building a very nice broad sweeping 90 degree corner module. I use Paulownia wood in building these modules. They are very strong and light when completed. The wood is primed Paulownia and is 1X4. The table top is 1/8" wood fiber board. The brads are 1 1/4" Porter Cable 33mm. The glue is what holds it together, so use plenty of high end wood glue. I will post photos shortly. W. Allen Evans NMRA // NASG Louisiana [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63962	From: rep928	Date: 3/23/2011
Subject: I want one of these in S!

Check this out: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/03/schienenzeppelin/ If I had any real modeling skills, I would build one in S! - Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63963	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/23/2011
Subject: The Beast

Yes, it does look somewhat similar to "The Big Engine" as the S-1 was known while displayed at the 1939 New York World's Fair. However, the real loco was black/Brunswick green and had a boiler front designed by Raymond Lowey that was sort of "Shark" like, a design to be seen later on a type of Baldwin diesels. In reality I don't know what the builder was thinking on this project. Obviously, it's a couple of Flyer "Royal Blue" shells grafted together on a 4-8-4 chassis, thereby chopping up three desirable locomotives for collectors. I hope the builder used junker finds as I do. The six wheel passenger trucks are an interesting tid-bit, but the yellow paint is just a bit too much for my taste. To make this look more like an S-1, the builder might remove the side rods between the second and third driver sets as the real engine was a Duplex type. When I rebuild junkers into kitbash engines, I try to follow some known prototype, but this follows no know locomotive in history. Still, it is interesting, and the craftsmanship appears very good. It will be interesting to see what someone "overpays" for this on eBay. Maybe I need to raise the prices on my kitbashes significantly? ;-) Stumpy in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63964	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/23/2011
Subject: Re: I want one of these in S!

According to one local rail guru, another problem with the rail zep was that the prop (or air screw) was so powerful that it blew luggage, dogs, children and some lighter-weight adults clean off the platform! And it was apparently very loud. There is one available in Z scale. They show up on eBay from time to time and go for around $100. Marklin also made one in O scale. Pretty pricey when one can found. That would be a GREAT model in S! For anyone interested in building it, the prototype dimensions: 85.305 ft. long, 9.24 ft high, axel base of 64.68 ft, wheels 3.3 ft in diameter. There are lot of photos online. I have seen pictures that show a two-bladed prop and a four-bladed prop, so I assume that they tried both. Roy I. on 3/23/11 10:36 AM, rep928 at plotnick@... wrote: > > > > > > Check this out: > http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/03/schienenzeppelin/ > If I had any real modeling skills, I would build one in S! > - Roy > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63965	From: lumglum	Date: 3/23/2011
Subject: New UP Vista Dome

I received my UP vista dome yesterday and noticed that one side have the new vista dome look, but without a new number board. The other side looks like a regular passenger car with a number board (8918). Is this the way this car is supposed to look or is this another Lionel goof up ? George

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63966	From: Mark Skertich	Date: 3/23/2011
Subject: The

The gentleman had a similar kit-bashed circus engine in red a while back; it did look stunning regardless of what one thinks about prototypes or original 353s.  I believe that the highest bid was over $700.  He purchased an old junker 350 from me on Ebay; perhaps this is its newest reincarnation.  If so, he did a great job. Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63967	From: racin510	Date: 3/23/2011
Subject: Window Strip Removal

Does anyone have a magic method for removing window strips from 960 series cars. I want to save the origionals while repainting the stripes.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63968	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 3/23/2011
Subject: Re: Installing a Dallee #400 unit in a AF 360 engine

Doug, Would you be kind enough to a copy of the above to me as well? Thaks, Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Peck Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 9:51 am Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Installing a Dallee #400 unit in a AF 360 engine To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > When I sell a Dallee e-unit, I supply a re-write of their Instruction > Sheet. I wrote it to be specific to 2-rail AF installation, without > confusing it with O-gauge installations. If you'd like a copy, > email me > off-list and I can email you a copy. > > > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > doug@... > www.portlines.com > www.flyerparts.com > www.sgaugetrains.com > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63969	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 3/23/2011
Subject: Re: Window Strip Removal

I don't know if there is any magic method to remove these. I would try using a cloth with warm water to soften these first before prying these off. These silhouettes usually dry up and curve a bit so there is a possibility that you will not be able to flatten again to glue these back in place. If by chance you damage the silhouettes, the reproductions I stock are exact replicas. These even have the PA number. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: racin510 <racin510@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 4:44:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Window Strip Removal Does anyone have a magic method for removing window strips from 960 series cars. I want to save the origionals while repainting the stripes. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63970	From: richs009	Date: 3/24/2011
Subject: 6-8-6 - one more thing

At the risk of pointing out something many of you know already (or don't care about...), the PRR did have a 6-8-6 steam turbine locomotive, with the designation S-2. So the "yellow circus engine kit-bash that has been the object of some attention here could be seen as an S-2 in an S-1 shell...! Turns out that Lionel made an O-gauge version of the S-2 'way-back' in the 1940's and has recently released a new version of the same loco, as has MTH and Williams (Bachmann). Both Lionel and Sunset Models market versions of the S-1 (as a duplex, rigid frame loco). - rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63971	From: Mark Skertich	Date: 3/24/2011
Subject: Re: The Beast

You may be interested in knowing that the kit-bashed yellow circus locomotive sold for $1338.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63972	From: Brady	Date: 3/24/2011
Subject: Re: 6-8-6 - one more thing

<< Turns out that Lionel made an O-gauge version of the S-2 'way-back' in the 1940's and has recently released a new version of the same loco, as has MTH and Williams (Bachmann). Both Lionel and Sunset Models market versions of the S-1 (as a duplex, rigid frame loco). - rich >> The postwar Lionel turbine is a very good locomotive.. http://train-station.com/auction/images/pw-2020-1946-1turbine.JPG Lionel produced several versions over a ten year period. 1946 models had a double worm-gear, the rest had a single worm-gear drive similar to Flyer steam. I think it's fair to say that the Lionel turbine and the Flyer K-5 occupied the same position in their respective lines. I own 1948 versions of both locos and they are of similar quality and running characteristics. Both are common and a great value for operators. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63973	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 3/24/2011
Subject: Re: I want one of these in S!

Must've been a pusher. The cab is on the opposite end from the prop. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: plotnick@... Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:36:46 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] I want one of these in S! Check this out: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/03/schienenzeppelin/ If I had any real modeling skills, I would build one in S! - Roy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63974	From: richs009	Date: 3/24/2011
Subject: Re: 6-8-6 - one more thing

Brady -- thanks. One other thing that the S-2 and K-5 had in common, besides both being PRR locos is that they were essentially one-off efforts. Apparently only one S-2 was made (almost 7000 hp...) and there were only two K-5's made. True that the latter were descendants of the more widely made K-4's, but apparently (too much time in front of Wikipedia...) the K-5 and S-2 suffered traction problems. I can relate to that as my pre-pullmor AF 312 complains with too many cars. - rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Brady" <brady@...> wrote: > > << Turns out that Lionel made an O-gauge version of the S-2 'way-back' in the 1940's and has recently released a new version of the same loco, as has MTH and Williams (Bachmann). Both Lionel and Sunset Models market versions of the S-1 (as a duplex, rigid frame loco). > - rich >> > > The postwar Lionel turbine is a very good locomotive.. > > http://train-station.com/auction/images/pw-2020-1946-1turbine.JPG > > Lionel produced several versions over a ten year period. 1946 models had a double worm-gear, the rest had a single worm-gear drive similar to Flyer steam. > > I think it's fair to say that the Lionel turbine and the Flyer K-5 occupied the same position in their respective lines. I own 1948 versions of both locos and they are of similar quality and running characteristics. Both are common and a great value for operators. > > Brady Burdge >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63975	From: Carey Probst	Date: 3/24/2011
Subject: Is there a problem with our groups

Or is it just me not getting any mail for the last 2 days? It doesn't appear anything is wrong with my Yahoo groups account. thanks Carey -- Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63976	From: rapidrail1	Date: 3/24/2011
Subject: Re: I want one of these in S!

Schylling tin reproductions did a wind-up version for 0 gauge track a few years ago. These can still be found and would probably convert to S gauge. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > According to one local rail guru, another problem with the rail zep was that > the prop (or air screw) was so powerful that it blew luggage, dogs, children > and some lighter-weight adults clean off the platform! > > And it was apparently very loud. > > There is one available in Z scale. They show up on eBay from time to time > and go for around $100. Marklin also made one in O scale. Pretty pricey when > one can found. > > That would be a GREAT model in S! > > For anyone interested in building it, the prototype dimensions: > 85.305 ft. long, 9.24 ft high, axel base of 64.68 ft, wheels 3.3 ft in > diameter. There are lot of photos online. > I have seen pictures that show a two-bladed prop and a four-bladed prop, so > I assume that they tried both. > > Roy I. > > > > > on 3/23/11 10:36 AM, rep928 at plotnick@... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check this out: > > http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/03/schienenzeppelin/ > > If I had any real modeling skills, I would build one in S! > > - Roy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63977	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 3/24/2011
Subject: S scale convention

Gentlemen.. Here is some current information regarding the S scale activities at the joint NASG/NMRA convention in "S"acramento, California in July 2011: 1. The Saturday night NASG banquet, named "Roundhouse Revue & BBQ too!!", is nearly 50% sold out as I write this in mid-March. Since there are only a fixed number of seats due to space restrictions, when the seats are sold out they are sold out. I would suggest placing your reservation now via the X2011W online shopping cart if you are planning to attend. http://www.x2011west.org/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info <http://www.x2011west.org/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=10&pro ducts_id=55> &cPath=10&products_id=55 2. Please note that one convention registrant can bring along a spouse, children, friends, etc. to the NASG banquet. It is not necessary for your wife or children to be registered for the convention. This is a great opportunity for everyone to enjoy a railroad-themed atmosphere with good trains, good food, good show and good camaraderie. Simply buy the desired number of tickets via the online shopping cart. 3. Note this is an "all-you-can-eat" dinner without limit. Thus, you can skip lunch and apply the savings toward your evening experience. Bring your appetite and a positive attitude. Western attire is totally acceptable. Got a 5-gallon hat? Bring it along! 4. The Hubba-Hubba organization of San Francisco will be producing the after-dinner musical revue and entertainment. Included in the show are the following acts: Sister Kate -- Wendy, Sarah & Ashley are San Francisco's own Cabaret Gypsies. With a wink & a smile, this trio of shimmying beauties combine burlesque & belly dance to create unforgettable acts guaranteed to tantalize & mesmerize! Room for Cream -- From far-off Sonomastan, and the shores of Old Eastbania, Jodi Waseca & J.D. Limelight captivate with laughs, music & dance. Don't be scared if a wild gorilla shows up, he's just there to play the accordion. McPuzo & Trotsky -- All the way from 1921, come these Troubadours for Troubled Times! Armed with an arsenal of timely tunes (hits like "Warren G. Harding is a Horse's Ass" & "Beef for India!") McPuzo & Trotsky are living proof that the banjo can indeed be used for Good! Conductor Kingfish, your Master of Ceremonies & Tour-Guide to Entertainment! Zip the What-Is-It? Hairy Beast-Man --and loyal stagehand!-- from Barnum's Own Menagerie! ...plus in the wings, Long-Suffering & Stalwart Stage-Manager, Comrade Tang! 5. If music and comedy are not your cup of tea, this is the opportunity of a lifetime to cavort amongst the railroad exhibits at the California State Railroad Museum without the hassle of crowds and long lines. You can count the rivets, measure the flanges, check the gauge, inspect for decal film and enjoy close railroad encounters of the third kind without interruption. 6. After the musical revue concludes, all the usual NASG contest awards, announcements, next year's convention preview, and so forth will commence. 7. The official NASG convention cars (yes, plural) with optional load are selling well. Please note that it is not necessary to be registered for the convention in order to purchase these cars. Buy one or several and we will all be happy. Yes, there are AF-compatible versions as well as pure scale versions. Choose your wheels carefully for maximum happiness. Details are on the X2011W web site here: http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html#convcars 8. There are only a specified number of convention cars being produced. One version is close to being sold out. Once gone, it is gone! Your prompt order is advised if you want one of these cars on your layout or display shelf. Bill Roberts is happy to accept your personal check for mail orders. Or, you can order via the online shopping cart if you want to pick up your car at the convention. Either way works for us. 9. Just in case you have not heard of the 2011 annual NASG (National Association of S Gaugers) convention, the details are all here on the web site. Take a gander and you will like what you see. http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html See you in "S"acramento..Ed Loizeaux, Convention Co-Chairman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63978	From: richs009	Date: 3/24/2011
Subject: Re: I want one of these in S!

Here's a couple of links and some old videos shot of the original machine back in the 1930's http://www.modellbahn.com/kruckenberg.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEIk7OIGWFE&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-ID_ktSoLY&feature=related the first of these compiles all(?) of the model railroad versions of this machine - alas, no S. Interesting that one of the HO versions had two four-wheel trucks instead of the single axles front and rear as in the prototype. the old videos are pretty cool - on the other hand, you can immediately see why RR safety officers would declare it verbotten - nothing like an open propeller going by at high speed. The test drive with no skin on the body - just the superstructure - is pretty interesting (not something one can do with an airplane!). In terms of modeling, the front end of the "fuselage" almost looks like a Convair 380 or DC -4 or -6... - R --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@...> wrote: > > Schylling tin reproductions did a wind-up version for 0 gauge track a few years ago. These can still be found and would probably convert to S gauge. > > Wayne > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@> wrote: > > > > According to one local rail guru, another problem with the rail zep was that > > the prop (or air screw) was so powerful that it blew luggage, dogs, children > > and some lighter-weight adults clean off the platform! > > > > And it was apparently very loud. > > > > There is one available in Z scale. They show up on eBay from time to time > > and go for around $100. Marklin also made one in O scale. Pretty pricey when > > one can found. > > > > That would be a GREAT model in S! > > > > For anyone interested in building it, the prototype dimensions: > > 85.305 ft. long, 9.24 ft high, axel base of 64.68 ft, wheels 3.3 ft in > > diameter. There are lot of photos online. > > I have seen pictures that show a two-bladed prop and a four-bladed prop, so > > I assume that they tried both. > > > > Roy I. > > > > > > > > > > on 3/23/11 10:36 AM, rep928 at plotnick@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check this out: > > > http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/03/schienenzeppelin/ > > > If I had any real modeling skills, I would build one in S! > > > - Roy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63979	From: s-nut	Date: 3/24/2011
Subject: Test Post

This is a test to see if the letter A shows up on my post. Now back to running my S-Helper 2-8-0 Freight. Thanks, Alan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63980	From: s-nut	Date: 3/24/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a problem with our groups

Crey, I don't know why the letter A showed up. I did not put it there. Thanks, aLAN --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carey Probst <s-scale@...> wrote: > > Or is it just me not getting any mail for the last 2 days? > > It doesn't appear anything is wrong with my Yahoo groups account. > > thanks > > Carey > -- > > Carey Probst > > Member, M.I.T. Educational Council > > S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF > > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, > > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63981	From: s-nut	Date: 3/24/2011
Subject: Re: beast part 2

Jack, I do not know how these A's got on my reply. I did not put them there. Again, I found it. Can you believe that it went for over $1000.00 thanks, Alan --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <adlbert1950@...> wrote: > > Thanks Jack I found it. >                               Alan > > --- On Tue, 3/22/11, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote: > > > From: Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] beast part 2 > To: "s-trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 1:15 PM > > >   > > > > The item number is 300536479603 > > Jack > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63982	From: Al	Date: 3/24/2011
Subject: the beast - why number 353

I messaged the seller the other day. He said he used the number 353 because it was the only red number decal he happened to have on hand at the time. Also, he was delighted with the selling price - he did not expect near so much! Al Baker Portland

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63983	From: Brady	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: 6-8-6 - one more thing

Rich, << Brady -- thanks. One other thing that the S-2 and K-5 had in common, besides both being PRR locos is that they were essentially one-off efforts. Apparently only one S-2 was made (almost 7000 hp...) and there were only two K-5's made. >> That's an excellent point. I remember reading (somewhere) that Flyer's choice of the K-5 was dictated by motor size. I don't know what Lionel's thinking was, but being able to advertise a 20-wheel locomotive must have been a factor. << True that the latter were descendants of the more widely made K-4's, but apparently (too much time in front of Wikipedia...) the K-5 and S-2 suffered traction problems. I can relate to that as my pre-pullmor AF 312 complains with too many cars. >> I've seen some footage of PRR T-1's with severe slippage; I'm not an expert but it seems like the efforts to replace the K-4 were interesting but not entirely successful. Lots of exotic power on the Pennsy. The pre-magnetraction Lionel turbines can be slippery, but the wheels on postwar Lionel cars revolve around fixed axles. Adds new meaning to the term "drag". Being able to pull 7 or 8 Flyer cars with my 312 is nice. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63984	From: plotnick@earthlink.net	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: I want one of these in S!

Love the videos. Found the following on the Classic Toy Trains site: http://ctt.trains.com/en/Operating/How%20To/2006/07/9%20steps%20to%20motorize%20a%20wind-up%20Rail%20Zeppelin.aspx Will look for one of these and figure out how to convert to S. Got enough junkers lying around! - Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63985	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: S Scale Convention

Sorry to observe that this convention has a very disappointing program with which roughly half of the hobby is ignored. Where are the clinics on Gilbert Flyer, modern hi-rail S gauge, TMCC, repairs, etc., etc., etc.? Joint NASG/NMRA conventions have not always been so narrow in scope (e.g., St. Paul, MN a decade ago). Are there any modern hi-rail and traditional Gilbert layouts on the layout tour? Doesn't appear to be. The NASG is supposed to embrace the broader aspects of the S gauge hobby. Just think from where over half the dues comes. California has robust constituencies in the operating, collecting, repair of vintage Gilbert Flyer and Lionel Flyer, as well as modern hi-rail enthusiasts who love SHS and AM hi-rail equipment. Logic would indicate that these S gauge communities be represented in the program. Nice web site, anyway...... Bob Bubeck In a message dated 3/25/2011 5:56:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Gentlemen.. Here is some current information regarding the S scale activities at the joint NASG/NMRA convention in "S"acramento, California in July 2011: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63986	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: I want one of these in S!

There are a couple on eBay right now. One is at $14+ and the other is a tad pricey at $99.99. Roy I. on 3/25/11 10:58 AM, plotnick@... at plotnick@... wrote: > > > > > > Love the videos. Found the following on the Classic Toy Trains site: > http://ctt.trains.com/en/Operating/How%20To/2006/07/9%20steps%20to%20motorize% > 20a%20wind-up%20Rail%20Zeppelin.aspx > > Will look for one of these and figure out how to convert to S. Got enough > junkers lying around! > - Roy > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63987	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: S Fest

Am I missing something? Is information for the fall S Fest in St. Louis online somewhere? Roy I. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63988	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: S Scale Convention

I am part hirail and part scale with my start in S beginning at age 5 when I received an AF set with Hudson and some very nice accessories.. I continue my interest in hirail primarily because of my wife's 5 year old grandson and some other young cousins that I have introduced to S gauge. My personal modeling interests have moved to scale and I am building modules that will be a mixture of code 100 and code 125 trackwork. Thus my interests in S are pretty broad. I think the Sacto 2011 Convention is extremely well planned and that Uncle Edward has done a great job with the schedule of events and with keeping us informed at every step of the process, starting more than a year ago. So I have no complaints. I am especially looking forward to the clinics on electronics (DCC, signaling, etc.) for all modelers of any gauge or flange depth, even though I fear that many of them will be over my head. The all day tour on Wednesday to see outstanding layouts in the area is especially appealing and it is a great opportunity to meet other S gaugers. There may not be highrail on this tour, I really do not know. But highrail tours are plentiful in most of our regions and you can see almost anything you would want to see (and a lot you would not want to see) of American Flyer layouts on Utube. Not so with scale layouts. Scale layouts are almost nonexistent in many parts of the country including Tennessee where I live. So I see the Wednesday tour of scale layouts as taking advantage of the best that S has to offer in the region. If one wants to see highrail, there is a great highrail layout that will be set up at the convention. This layout is nicely covered in an article in the Dispatch that I received in yesterday's mail. Plus one can expect to see a lot of AF stuff at the National Train Show (this is my guess, I have never attended a NTS before). Now having said all of that, I would love to have the opportunity to attend a clinic on how to lubricate AM and SHS locomotives ( I do not know if I do it right or not) and how to put scale couplers on American Models FP7s and E8s, something that seems a lot more difficult than I think it ought to be. I would also attend a TMCC clinic if it did not interfere with higher priority clinics or tours. Maybe some of the experts in this group might volunteer with off-line emails to Uncle Edward L. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 3/25/2011 12:08:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rbubeck327@... writes: Sorry to observe that this convention has a very disappointing program with which roughly half of the hobby is ignored. Where are the clinics on Gilbert Flyer, modern hi-rail S gauge, TMCC, repairs, etc., etc., etc.? Joint NASG/NMRA conventions have not always been so narrow in scope (e.g., St. Paul, MN a decade ago). Are there any modern hi-rail and traditional Gilbert layouts on the layout tour? Doesn't appear to be. The NASG is supposed to embrace the broader aspects of the S gauge hobby. Just think from where over half the dues comes. California has robust constituencies in the operating, collecting, repair of vintage Gilbert Flyer and Lionel Flyer, as well as modern hi-rail enthusiasts who love SHS and AM hi-rail equipment. Logic would indicate that these S gauge communities be represented in the program. Nice web site, anyway...... Bob Bubeck In a message dated 3/25/2011 5:56:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) writes: Gentlemen.. Here is some current information regarding the S scale activities at the joint NASG/NMRA convention in "S"acramento, California in July 2011: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63989	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: S Scale Convention

from: Alan Lambert         Lone Star Flyer Club         Arlington, Texas          I have to agree with you I have not seen one Scale Layout on U-Tube. Maybe they don't want us to know it is scale so we would watch it,                                Thanks,                                            Alan Lambert --- On Fri, 3/25/11, tennsgauge@... <tennsgauge@...> wrote: From: tennsgauge@... <tennsgauge@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S Scale Convention To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 12:56 PM   I am part hirail and part scale with my start in S beginning at age 5 when I received an AF set with Hudson and some very nice accessories.. I continue my interest in hirail primarily because of my wife's 5 year old grandson and some other young cousins that I have introduced to S gauge. My personal modeling interests have moved to scale and I am building modules that will be a mixture of code 100 and code 125 trackwork. Thus my interests in S are pretty broad. I think the Sacto 2011 Convention is extremely well planned and that Uncle Edward has done a great job with the schedule of events and with keeping us informed at every step of the process, starting more than a year ago. So I have no complaints. I am especially looking forward to the clinics on electronics (DCC, signaling, etc.) for all modelers of any gauge or flange depth, even though I fear that many of them will be over my head. The all day tour on Wednesday to see outstanding layouts in the area is especially appealing and it is a great opportunity to meet other S gaugers. There may not be highrail on this tour, I really do not know. But highrail tours are plentiful in most of our regions and you can see almost anything you would want to see (and a lot you would not want to see) of American Flyer layouts on Utube. Not so with scale layouts. Scale layouts are almost nonexistent in many parts of the country including Tennessee where I live. So I see the Wednesday tour of scale layouts as taking advantage of the best that S has to offer in the region. If one wants to see highrail, there is a great highrail layout that will be set up at the convention. This layout is nicely covered in an article in the Dispatch that I received in yesterday's mail. Plus one can expect to see a lot of AF stuff at the National Train Show (this is my guess, I have never attended a NTS before). Now having said all of that, I would love to have the opportunity to attend a clinic on how to lubricate AM and SHS locomotives ( I do not know if I do it right or not) and how to put scale couplers on American Models FP7s and E8s, something that seems a lot more difficult than I think it ought to be. I would also attend a TMCC clinic if it did not interfere with higher priority clinics or tours. Maybe some of the experts in this group might volunteer with off-line emails to Uncle Edward L. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 3/25/2011 12:08:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rbubeck327@... writes: Sorry to observe that this convention has a very disappointing program with which roughly half of the hobby is ignored. Where are the clinics on Gilbert Flyer, modern hi-rail S gauge, TMCC, repairs, etc., etc., etc.? Joint NASG/NMRA conventions have not always been so narrow in scope (e.g., St. Paul, MN a decade ago). Are there any modern hi-rail and traditional Gilbert layouts on the layout tour? Doesn't appear to be. The NASG is supposed to embrace the broader aspects of the S gauge hobby. Just think from where over half the dues comes. California has robust constituencies in the operating, collecting, repair of vintage Gilbert Flyer and Lionel Flyer, as well as modern hi-rail enthusiasts who love SHS and AM hi-rail equipment. Logic would indicate that these S gauge communities be represented in the program. Nice web site, anyway...... Bob Bubeck In a message dated 3/25/2011 5:56:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) writes: Gentlemen.. Here is some current information regarding the S scale activities at the joint NASG/NMRA convention in "S"acramento, California in July 2011: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63990	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: S Scale Convention - scale layouts on utube

I have found a few good S scale videos on Utube but most are really short, like 16 seconds, for example. But here is a really good one of Bob Werre's layout. It is a little more than 2 minutes. I would like to see some 10 minute videos of layouts like this and the height of the rails would not matter to me as long as its not American Flyer track. _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzdur6DS57g_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzdur6DS57g) I hope yahoo does not stripe the link from this email - Earl Henry There are a few good scale layouts In a message dated 3/25/2011 1:47:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, adlbert1950@... writes: from: Alan Lambert Lone Star Flyer Club Arlington, Texas I have to agree with you I have not seen one Scale Layout on U-Tube. Maybe they don't want us to know it is scale so we would watch it, Thanks, Alan Lambert --- On Fri, 3/25/11, _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) <_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) > wrote: From: _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) <_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S Scale Convention To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 12:56 PM I am part hirail and part scale with my start in S beginning at age 5 when I received an AF set with Hudson and some very nice accessories.. I continue my interest in hirail primarily because of my wife's 5 year old grandson and some other young cousins that I have introduced to S gauge. My personal modeling interests have moved to scale and I am building modules that will be a mixture of code 100 and code 125 trackwork. Thus my interests in S are pretty broad. I think the Sacto 2011 Convention is extremely well planned and that Uncle Edward has done a great job with the schedule of events and with keeping us informed at every step of the process, starting more than a year ago. So I have no complaints. I am especially looking forward to the clinics on electronics (DCC, signaling, etc.) for all modelers of any gauge or flange depth, even though I fear that many of them will be over my head. The all day tour on Wednesday to see outstanding layouts in the area is especially appealing and it is a great opportunity to meet other S gaugers. There may not be highrail on this tour, I really do not know. But highrail tours are plentiful in most of our regions and you can see almost anything you would want to see (and a lot you would not want to see) of American Flyer layouts on Utube. Not so with scale layouts. Scale layouts are almost nonexistent in many parts of the country including Tennessee where I live. So I see the Wednesday tour of scale layouts as taking advantage of the best that S has to offer in the region. If one wants to see highrail, there is a great highrail layout that will be set up at the convention. This layout is nicely covered in an article in the Dispatch that I received in yesterday's mail. Plus one can expect to see a lot of AF stuff at the National Train Show (this is my guess, I have never attended a NTS before). Now having said all of that, I would love to have the opportunity to attend a clinic on how to lubricate AM and SHS locomotives ( I do not know if I do it right or not) and how to put scale couplers on American Models FP7s and E8s, something that seems a lot more difficult than I think it ought to be. I would also attend a TMCC clinic if it did not interfere with higher priority clinics or tours. Maybe some of the experts in this group might volunteer with off-line emails to Uncle Edward L. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 3/25/2011 12:08:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, _rbubeck327@..._ (mailto:rbubeck327@...) writes: Sorry to observe that this convention has a very disappointing program with which roughly half of the hobby is ignored. Where are the clinics on Gilbert Flyer, modern hi-rail S gauge, TMCC, repairs, etc., etc., etc.? Joint NASG/NMRA conventions have not always been so narrow in scope (e.g., St. Paul, MN a decade ago). Are there any modern hi-rail and traditional Gilbert layouts on the layout tour? Doesn't appear to be. The NASG is supposed to embrace the broader aspects of the S gauge hobby. Just think from where over half the dues comes. California has robust constituencies in the operating, collecting, repair of vintage Gilbert Flyer and Lionel Flyer, as well as modern hi-rail enthusiasts who love SHS and AM hi-rail equipment. Logic would indicate that these S gauge communities be represented in the program. Nice web site, anyway...... Bob Bubeck In a message dated 3/25/2011 5:56:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, __S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) writes: Gentlemen.. Here is some current information regarding the S scale activities at the joint NASG/NMRA convention in "S"acramento, California in July 2011: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63991	From: Ed	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: S Scale Convention

> I have not seen one Scale Layout on U-Tube. If you search for "S scale layout" on You Tube you will have almost 800 "hits" to watch. Not bad for one minute's worth of effort. > Maybe they don't want us to know it is scale so we would watch it, Why would you think that? No need to fan the flames of discontent. "S"miles....Ed L.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63992	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: I want one of these in S!

In reading the story of the Rail Zeppelin I was reminded of when I was a kid living in the Big Hole Valley near Wisdom, Montana. In the winter most of the ranchers in the valley (my family included) had a mode of transportation called a snowplane. Many were a 4 passenger vehicle with the main body very much resembling the passenger portion of a light airplane. They were all powered by an air-cooled airplane engine uaually a Lycoming 4 cylinder pancake style engine. Some were what were called a tractor style meaning the prop was in front but the majority were pusher type with the prop in the rear. A lot of them had a screen shroud around the prop with a rigid framework built so as to keep the screen from interfering with the prop. This screen was a heavy gauge type stuff that was not very flexible but did allow good airflow. Some of these things could hit 70 or 80 mph. They sat on 3 ski's one in front 2 under the main part of the body one on each side. There were a few that had 2 ski's in front and one in the rear and even a few with 4 ski's. Steering was via the front ski which oprated similar to the rudder on a boat or ship. Some had elaborate steering gear. Brakes were virtually non-existent. you cut the engine a mile or so before you got to where you were going and crossed your fingers that you would stop. one interesting sidenote is that if the top strand of barbed wire fence or fence rail of a wooden fence were exposed because of wind it could make for an interesting way to stop. The enclosed link miught show you what they looked like. Some were professionally built. You wiull also not that they were affixed with lights. http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&q=snowplane&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&wrapid=tljp130108031087530&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&sa=X&ei=P-mMTYi0NYjcgQeZ-cm6DQ&ved=0CEwQsAQ&biw=1003&bih=588 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: plotnick@... Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:58:56 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: I want one of these in S! Love the videos. Found the following on the Classic Toy Trains site: http://ctt.trains.com/en/Operating/How%20To/2006/07/9%20steps%20to%20motorize%20a%20wind-up%20Rail%20Zeppelin.aspx Will look for one of these and figure out how to convert to S. Got enough junkers lying around! - Roy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63993	From: lionely6b	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: S scale convention

>> I think the Sacto 2011 Convention is extremely well planned and that Uncle Edward has done a great job with the schedule of events and with keeping us informed at every step of the process, starting more than a year ago.<< What is covered is very well planned, indeed. The difficulty with the program is with what is omitted, or rather, not embraced. I am glad that some folks such as yourself will derive value from the proceedings. Viewing scale-oriented layouts and handiwork can be edifying. However, NASG conventions, S-Fests, S-Sprees, Flyer Fest Wests, etc. usually include more than just scale-oriented content (some of which admittedly does have some 'crossover' value). There is a reasonably robust Flyer/Hi-rail community on the Left Coast. Some of us Easterners will be in California for the TCA Convention the week before. The NASG convention's location and timing potentially provided a great opportunity to attract particpation from those who might extend their visit in the Sacramento area. To do this effectively, however, both 'wings' of the hobby probably should have been included in the overall program. Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63994	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: S Fest

I see only the dates listed on the Saint Louis S gaugers site. It is also listed in the Dispatch that was delivered this week. The Dispatch information is: Oct. 28-30, 2011,: 36th annual S Test, St. Louis airport Marriott Hotel, rooms $79 per night. Contacts: _afsgasla@..._ (mailto:afsgasla@...) or try _www.trainweb.org/afsgsla_ (http://www.trainweb.org/afsgsla) Its a little early and my guess is that there will be plenty of information in upcoming issues of Dispatch and S Gaugian. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 3/25/2011 1:08:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rinphoto@... writes: Am I missing something? Is information for the fall S Fest in St. Louis online somewhere? Roy I. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63995	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: "S"acto Convention Comments

Hello Bob Bubeck.. You make some good points and I would like to respond as follows: There are two American Flyer clubs in northern California - one in the San Francisco area and one in Sacramento. Both clubs have been contacted and invited to show layouts and conduct clinics. Like you, I am disappointed with the results. We do have a large hi-rail layout on display at the National Train Show and there are a couple of AF layouts on various tours including the Advance Section drive-it-yourself layout visits. Would it be nice to have more? You bet! The NASG/X2011W web site invites anyone interested in conducting a clinic to contact me and make the arrangements for doing so. This invitation has been up there for a year now and not one AF or hi-rail enthusiast has contacted me for this purpose. Messages on this S-trains list have pointed folks to the X2011W web site for a year also. It is not reasonable to "blame" the NASG for the number of responses. Nor is it reasonable to blame the X2011W convention committee either. Both organizations have put out the welcome mat with invitations and opportunities for the AF and hi-rail folks. Perhaps we can blame the economy, Obama/Bush, BP's oil spill, earthquakes near Japan, or various mideastern revolutions for the lack of clinics devoted to AF or hi-rail topics. If anyone out there wants to conduct an AF-oriented clinic or a hi-rail-oriented clinic, just let me know. At this late date, I cannot assure you of inclusion in the program, but I will see what can be done. Any volunteers out there? One thing to keep in mind is that not everything can be done by "someone else". If the folks with specialized knowledge do not have enough interest to participate and share, then the program will suffer. Please note I am not casting blame here, but am explaining the reality of why things are what they are. Many of the clinics are appropriate for all scales and all forms of motor control. You will not go away without lots of education and exposure to all aspects of the hobby. Clinics on most every topic imaginable are conducted by enthusiastic and competent clinicians sharing their knowledge. Learning new things will not be difficult. Hope to see you. Ed Loizeaux, Co-Chairman Sorry to observe that this convention has a very disappointing program with which roughly half of the hobby is ignored. Where are the clinics on Gilbert Flyer, modern hi-rail S gauge, TMCC, repairs, etc., etc., etc.? Joint NASG/NMRA conventions have not always been so narrow in scope (e.g., St. Paul, MN a decade ago). Are there any modern hi-rail and traditional Gilbert layouts on the layout tour? Doesn't appear to be. The NASG is supposed to embrace the broader aspects of the S gauge hobby. Just think from where over half the dues comes. California has robust constituencies in the operating, collecting, repair of vintage Gilbert Flyer and Lionel Flyer, as well as modern hi-rail enthusiasts who love SHS and AM hi-rail equipment. Logic would indicate that these S gauge communities be represented in the program. Nice web site, anyway...... Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63996	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: S Scale Convention - scale layouts on utube

From: Alan Lambert   I had forgotten about Bob's. Hope he isn't mad at me.He can almost shoot me . He is in Houston and I am North of him in Fort Worth, both in Texas.  Thanks for reminding me  --- On Fri, 3/25/11, tennsgauge@... <tennsgauge@...> wrote: From: tennsgauge@... <tennsgauge@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S Scale Convention - scale layouts on utube To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 2:20 PM   I have found a few good S scale videos on Utube but most are really short, like 16 seconds, for example. But here is a really good one of Bob Werre's layout. It is a little more than 2 minutes. I would like to see some 10 minute videos of layouts like this and the height of the rails would not matter to me as long as its not American Flyer track. _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzdur6DS57g_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzdur6DS57g) I hope yahoo does not stripe the link from this email - Earl Henry There are a few good scale layouts In a message dated 3/25/2011 1:47:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, adlbert1950@... writes: from: Alan Lambert Lone Star Flyer Club Arlington, Texas I have to agree with you I have not seen one Scale Layout on U-Tube. Maybe they don't want us to know it is scale so we would watch it, Thanks, Alan Lambert --- On Fri, 3/25/11, _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) <_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) > wrote: From: _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) <_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S Scale Convention To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 12:56 PM I am part hirail and part scale with my start in S beginning at age 5 when I received an AF set with Hudson and some very nice accessories.. I continue my interest in hirail primarily because of my wife's 5 year old grandson and some other young cousins that I have introduced to S gauge. My personal modeling interests have moved to scale and I am building modules that will be a mixture of code 100 and code 125 trackwork. Thus my interests in S are pretty broad. I think the Sacto 2011 Convention is extremely well planned and that Uncle Edward has done a great job with the schedule of events and with keeping us informed at every step of the process, starting more than a year ago. So I have no complaints. I am especially looking forward to the clinics on electronics (DCC, signaling, etc.) for all modelers of any gauge or flange depth, even though I fear that many of them will be over my head. The all day tour on Wednesday to see outstanding layouts in the area is especially appealing and it is a great opportunity to meet other S gaugers. There may not be highrail on this tour, I really do not know. But highrail tours are plentiful in most of our regions and you can see almost anything you would want to see (and a lot you would not want to see) of American Flyer layouts on Utube. Not so with scale layouts. Scale layouts are almost nonexistent in many parts of the country including Tennessee where I live. So I see the Wednesday tour of scale layouts as taking advantage of the best that S has to offer in the region. If one wants to see highrail, there is a great highrail layout that will be set up at the convention. This layout is nicely covered in an article in the Dispatch that I received in yesterday's mail. Plus one can expect to see a lot of AF stuff at the National Train Show (this is my guess, I have never attended a NTS before). Now having said all of that, I would love to have the opportunity to attend a clinic on how to lubricate AM and SHS locomotives ( I do not know if I do it right or not) and how to put scale couplers on American Models FP7s and E8s, something that seems a lot more difficult than I think it ought to be. I would also attend a TMCC clinic if it did not interfere with higher priority clinics or tours. Maybe some of the experts in this group might volunteer with off-line emails to Uncle Edward L. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 3/25/2011 12:08:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, _rbubeck327@..._ (mailto:rbubeck327@...) writes: Sorry to observe that this convention has a very disappointing program with which roughly half of the hobby is ignored. Where are the clinics on Gilbert Flyer, modern hi-rail S gauge, TMCC, repairs, etc., etc., etc.? Joint NASG/NMRA conventions have not always been so narrow in scope (e.g., St. Paul, MN a decade ago). Are there any modern hi-rail and traditional Gilbert layouts on the layout tour? Doesn't appear to be. The NASG is supposed to embrace the broader aspects of the S gauge hobby. Just think from where over half the dues comes. California has robust constituencies in the operating, collecting, repair of vintage Gilbert Flyer and Lionel Flyer, as well as modern hi-rail enthusiasts who love SHS and AM hi-rail equipment. Logic would indicate that these S gauge communities be represented in the program. Nice web site, anyway...... Bob Bubeck In a message dated 3/25/2011 5:56:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, __S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) writes: Gentlemen.. Here is some current information regarding the S scale activities at the joint NASG/NMRA convention in "S"acramento, California in July 2011: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63997	From: lionely6b	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: S'acto Convention

>> You make some good points and I would like to respond as follows: There are two American Flyer clubs in northern California - one in the San Francisco area and one in Sacramento. Both clubs have been contacted and invited to show layouts and conduct clinics. Like you, I am disappointed with the results. We do have a large hi-rail layout on display at the National Train Show and there are a couple of AF layouts on various tours including the Advance Section drive-it-yourself layout visits. Would it be nice to have more? You bet!<< ... and... Hello Ed, Thank you for a most fair and resonable reply. Putting one of these things together is no picnic. One challenge is to gather together a critical mass of clinics in a general area. Giving one clinic in isolation is "death". I know from personal experience.<wink> In any case, good fortune and hope to catch a bit of the proceedings. Cordially, Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63998	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: scale layouts on utube

Our club's website has nine embedded YouTube videos of our S-Scale layout - S-Helper track, Tom's Turnouts, and trains from S-Helper, American Models, Flyonel, and Gilbert.  And I have a bunch more under my handle "ParkVisitor". --- On Fri, 3/25/11, tennsgauge@... <tennsgauge@...> wrote: From: tennsgauge@... <tennsgauge@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S Scale Convention - scale layouts on utube To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 12:20 PM   I have found a few good S scale videos on Utube but most are really short, like 16 seconds, for example. But here is a really good one of Bob Werre's layout. It is a little more than 2 minutes. I would like to see some 10 minute videos of layouts like this and the height of the rails would not matter to me as long as its not American Flyer track. _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzdur6DS57g_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzdur6DS57g) I hope yahoo does not stripe the link from this email - Earl Henry There are a few good scale layouts In a message dated 3/25/2011 1:47:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, adlbert1950@... writes: from: Alan Lambert Lone Star Flyer Club Arlington, Texas I have to agree with you I have not seen one Scale Layout on U-Tube. Maybe they don't want us to know it is scale so we would watch it, Thanks, Alan Lambert --- On Fri, 3/25/11, _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) <_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) > wrote: From: _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) <_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S Scale Convention To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 12:56 PM I am part hirail and part scale with my start in S beginning at age 5 when I received an AF set with Hudson and some very nice accessories.. I continue my interest in hirail primarily because of my wife's 5 year old grandson and some other young cousins that I have introduced to S gauge. My personal modeling interests have moved to scale and I am building modules that will be a mixture of code 100 and code 125 trackwork. Thus my interests in S are pretty broad. I think the Sacto 2011 Convention is extremely well planned and that Uncle Edward has done a great job with the schedule of events and with keeping us informed at every step of the process, starting more than a year ago. So I have no complaints. I am especially looking forward to the clinics on electronics (DCC, signaling, etc.) for all modelers of any gauge or flange depth, even though I fear that many of them will be over my head. The all day tour on Wednesday to see outstanding layouts in the area is especially appealing and it is a great opportunity to meet other S gaugers. There may not be highrail on this tour, I really do not know. But highrail tours are plentiful in most of our regions and you can see almost anything you would want to see (and a lot you would not want to see) of American Flyer layouts on Utube. Not so with scale layouts. Scale layouts are almost nonexistent in many parts of the country including Tennessee where I live. So I see the Wednesday tour of scale layouts as taking advantage of the best that S has to offer in the region. If one wants to see highrail, there is a great highrail layout that will be set up at the convention. This layout is nicely covered in an article in the Dispatch that I received in yesterday's mail. Plus one can expect to see a lot of AF stuff at the National Train Show (this is my guess, I have never attended a NTS before). Now having said all of that, I would love to have the opportunity to attend a clinic on how to lubricate AM and SHS locomotives ( I do not know if I do it right or not) and how to put scale couplers on American Models FP7s and E8s, something that seems a lot more difficult than I think it ought to be. I would also attend a TMCC clinic if it did not interfere with higher priority clinics or tours. Maybe some of the experts in this group might volunteer with off-line emails to Uncle Edward L. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 3/25/2011 12:08:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, _rbubeck327@..._ (mailto:rbubeck327@...) writes: Sorry to observe that this convention has a very disappointing program with which roughly half of the hobby is ignored. Where are the clinics on Gilbert Flyer, modern hi-rail S gauge, TMCC, repairs, etc., etc., etc.? Joint NASG/NMRA conventions have not always been so narrow in scope (e.g., St. Paul, MN a decade ago). Are there any modern hi-rail and traditional Gilbert layouts on the layout tour? Doesn't appear to be. The NASG is supposed to embrace the broader aspects of the S gauge hobby. Just think from where over half the dues comes. California has robust constituencies in the operating, collecting, repair of vintage Gilbert Flyer and Lionel Flyer, as well as modern hi-rail enthusiasts who love SHS and AM hi-rail equipment. Logic would indicate that these S gauge communities be represented in the program. Nice web site, anyway...... Bob Bubeck In a message dated 3/25/2011 5:56:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, __S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) writes: Gentlemen.. Here is some current information regarding the S scale activities at the joint NASG/NMRA convention in "S"acramento, California in July 2011: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 63999	From: Robert Graves	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: "S"acto Convention Comments

The San Diego S-Gaugers is planning to have our NASG S-MOD-compliant layout on display at the National Train Show.  The club's objective for the layout was to be inclusive of the various elements within the S community.  At various times we will be running scale, modern hi-rail, and Gilbert equipment under DCC, TMCC, TPC, and conventional AC.  There are scale modules with some wonderful modeling plus my four modules that demonstrate Gilbert's operating accessories on a passing track.  Something for everybody! If there's interest, we could probably put together a presentation that recounts our experiences in building the layout. --- On Fri, 3/25/11, Edward Loizeaux <Loizeaux@...> wrote: From: Edward Loizeaux <Loizeaux@...> Subject: [S-Trains] "S"acto Convention Comments To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: "John Gibson (home)" <gibson@...>, "Bill Roberts" <bill@...>, "Lee Johnson" <leemax@...> Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 12:14 PM   Hello Bob Bubeck.. You make some good points and I would like to respond as follows: There are two American Flyer clubs in northern California - one in the San Francisco area and one in Sacramento. Both clubs have been contacted and invited to show layouts and conduct clinics. Like you, I am disappointed with the results. We do have a large hi-rail layout on display at the National Train Show and there are a couple of AF layouts on various tours including the Advance Section drive-it-yourself layout visits. Would it be nice to have more? You bet! The NASG/X2011W web site invites anyone interested in conducting a clinic to contact me and make the arrangements for doing so. This invitation has been up there for a year now and not one AF or hi-rail enthusiast has contacted me for this purpose. Messages on this S-trains list have pointed folks to the X2011W web site for a year also. It is not reasonable to "blame" the NASG for the number of responses. Nor is it reasonable to blame the X2011W convention committee either. Both organizations have put out the welcome mat with invitations and opportunities for the AF and hi-rail folks. Perhaps we can blame the economy, Obama/Bush, BP's oil spill, earthquakes near Japan, or various mideastern revolutions for the lack of clinics devoted to AF or hi-rail topics. If anyone out there wants to conduct an AF-oriented clinic or a hi-rail-oriented clinic, just let me know. At this late date, I cannot assure you of inclusion in the program, but I will see what can be done. Any volunteers out there? One thing to keep in mind is that not everything can be done by "someone else". If the folks with specialized knowledge do not have enough interest to participate and share, then the program will suffer. Please note I am not casting blame here, but am explaining the reality of why things are what they are. Many of the clinics are appropriate for all scales and all forms of motor control. You will not go away without lots of education and exposure to all aspects of the hobby. Clinics on most every topic imaginable are conducted by enthusiastic and competent clinicians sharing their knowledge. Learning new things will not be difficult. Hope to see you. Ed Loizeaux, Co-Chairman Sorry to observe that this convention has a very disappointing program with which roughly half of the hobby is ignored. Where are the clinics on Gilbert Flyer, modern hi-rail S gauge, TMCC, repairs, etc., etc., etc.? Joint NASG/NMRA conventions have not always been so narrow in scope (e.g., St. Paul, MN a decade ago). Are there any modern hi-rail and traditional Gilbert layouts on the layout tour? Doesn't appear to be. The NASG is supposed to embrace the broader aspects of the S gauge hobby. Just think from where over half the dues comes. California has robust constituencies in the operating, collecting, repair of vintage Gilbert Flyer and Lionel Flyer, as well as modern hi-rail enthusiasts who love SHS and AM hi-rail equipment. Logic would indicate that these S gauge communities be represented in the program. Nice web site, anyway...... Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64000	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: scale layouts on utube

Robert, I tried to search for your video’s as I do not know how to search by maker’s name. Could you post a link to one of the video’s? Thanks, Mike From: Robert Graves Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 6:43 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: scale layouts on utube Our club's website has nine embedded YouTube videos of our S-Scale layout - S-Helper track, Tom's Turnouts, and trains from S-Helper, American Models, Flyonel, and Gilbert. And I have a bunch more under my handle "ParkVisitor". --- On Fri, 3/25/11, mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com <mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com> wrote: From: mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com <mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S Scale Convention - scale layouts on utube To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 12:20 PM I have found a few good S scale videos on Utube but most are really short, like 16 seconds, for example. But here is a really good one of Bob Werre's layout. It is a little more than 2 minutes. I would like to see some 10 minute videos of layouts like this and the height of the rails would not matter to me as long as its not American Flyer track. _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzdur6DS57g_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzdur6DS57g) I hope yahoo does not stripe the link from this email - Earl Henry There are a few good scale layouts In a message dated 3/25/2011 1:47:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mailto:adlbert1950%40sbcglobal.net writes: from: Alan Lambert Lone Star Flyer Club Arlington, Texas I have to agree with you I have not seen one Scale Layout on U-Tube. Maybe they don't want us to know it is scale so we would watch it, Thanks, Alan Lambert --- On Fri, 3/25/11, mailto:_tennsgauge%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com) <mailto:_tennsgauge%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com) > wrote: From: mailto:_tennsgauge%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com) <mailto:_tennsgauge%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S Scale Convention To: mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 12:56 PM I am part hirail and part scale with my start in S beginning at age 5 when I received an AF set with Hudson and some very nice accessories.. I continue my interest in hirail primarily because of my wife's 5 year old grandson and some other young cousins that I have introduced to S gauge. My personal modeling interests have moved to scale and I am building modules that will be a mixture of code 100 and code 125 trackwork. Thus my interests in S are pretty broad. I think the Sacto 2011 Convention is extremely well planned and that Uncle Edward has done a great job with the schedule of events and with keeping us informed at every step of the process, starting more than a year ago. So I have no complaints. I am especially looking forward to the clinics on electronics (DCC, signaling, etc.) for all modelers of any gauge or flange depth, even though I fear that many of them will be over my head. The all day tour on Wednesday to see outstanding layouts in the area is especially appealing and it is a great opportunity to meet other S gaugers. There may not be highrail on this tour, I really do not know. But highrail tours are plentiful in most of our regions and you can see almost anything you would want to see (and a lot you would not want to see) of American Flyer layouts on Utube. Not so with scale layouts. Scale layouts are almost nonexistent in many parts of the country including Tennessee where I live. So I see the Wednesday tour of scale layouts as taking advantage of the best that S has to offer in the region. If one wants to see highrail, there is a great highrail layout that will be set up at the convention. This layout is nicely covered in an article in the Dispatch that I received in yesterday's mail. Plus one can expect to see a lot of AF stuff at the National Train Show (this is my guess, I have never attended a NTS before). Now having said all of that, I would love to have the opportunity to attend a clinic on how to lubricate AM and SHS locomotives ( I do not know if I do it right or not) and how to put scale couplers on American Models FP7s and E8s, something that seems a lot more difficult than I think it ought to be. I would also attend a TMCC clinic if it did not interfere with higher priority clinics or tours. Maybe some of the experts in this group might volunteer with off-line emails to Uncle Edward L. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 3/25/2011 12:08:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mailto:_rbubeck327%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:rbubeck327%40aol.com) writes: Sorry to observe that this convention has a very disappointing program with which roughly half of the hobby is ignored. Where are the clinics on Gilbert Flyer, modern hi-rail S gauge, TMCC, repairs, etc., etc., etc.? Joint NASG/NMRA conventions have not always been so narrow in scope (e.g., St. Paul, MN a decade ago). Are there any modern hi-rail and traditional Gilbert layouts on the layout tour? Doesn't appear to be. The NASG is supposed to embrace the broader aspects of the S gauge hobby. Just think from where over half the dues comes. California has robust constituencies in the operating, collecting, repair of vintage Gilbert Flyer and Lionel Flyer, as well as modern hi-rail enthusiasts who love SHS and AM hi-rail equipment. Logic would indicate that these S gauge communities be represented in the program. Nice web site, anyway...... Bob Bubeck In a message dated 3/25/2011 5:56:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mailto:__S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) ) writes: Gentlemen.. Here is some current information regarding the S scale activities at the joint NASG/NMRA convention in "S"acramento, California in July 2011: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64001	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: scale layouts on utube

From: Alan Lambert Robert, Now they start showing up. I will look them upin time. I knew that they were there just not how to find them. � thanks, � Alan --- On Fri, 3/25/11, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: scale layouts on utube To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 5:43 PM   Our club's website has nine embedded YouTube videos of our S-Scale layout - S-Helper track, Tom's Turnouts, and trains from S-Helper, American Models, Flyonel, and Gilbert.  And I have a bunch more under my handle "ParkVisitor". --- On Fri, 3/25/11, tennsgauge@... <tennsgauge@...> wrote: From: tennsgauge@... <tennsgauge@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S Scale Convention - scale layouts on utube To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 12:20 PM   I have found a few good S scale videos on Utube but most are really short, like 16 seconds, for example. But here is a really good one of Bob Werre's layout. It is a little more than 2 minutes. I would like to see some 10 minute videos of layouts like this and the height of the rails would not matter to me as long as its not American Flyer track. _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzdur6DS57g_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzdur6DS57g) I hope yahoo does not stripe the link from this email - Earl Henry There are a few good scale layouts In a message dated 3/25/2011 1:47:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, adlbert1950@... writes: from: Alan Lambert Lone Star Flyer Club Arlington, Texas I have to agree with you I have not seen one Scale Layout on U-Tube. Maybe they don't want us to know it is scale so we would watch it, Thanks, Alan Lambert --- On Fri, 3/25/11, _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) <_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) > wrote: From: _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) <_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S Scale Convention To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 12:56 PM I am part hirail and part scale with my start in S beginning at age 5 when I received an AF set with Hudson and some very nice accessories.. I continue my interest in hirail primarily because of my wife's 5 year old grandson and some other young cousins that I have introduced to S gauge. My personal modeling interests have moved to scale and I am building modules that will be a mixture of code 100 and code 125 trackwork. Thus my interests in S are pretty broad. I think the Sacto 2011 Convention is extremely well planned and that Uncle Edward has done a great job with the schedule of events and with keeping us informed at every step of the process, starting more than a year ago. So I have no complaints. I am especially looking forward to the clinics on electronics (DCC, signaling, etc.) for all modelers of any gauge or flange depth, even though I fear that many of them will be over my head. The all day tour on Wednesday to see outstanding layouts in the area is especially appealing and it is a great opportunity to meet other S gaugers. There may not be highrail on this tour, I really do not know. But highrail tours are plentiful in most of our regions and you can see almost anything you would want to see (and a lot you would not want to see) of American Flyer layouts on Utube. Not so with scale layouts. Scale layouts are almost nonexistent in many parts of the country including Tennessee where I live. So I see the Wednesday tour of scale layouts as taking advantage of the best that S has to offer in the region. If one wants to see highrail, there is a great highrail layout that will be set up at the convention. This layout is nicely covered in an article in the Dispatch that I received in yesterday's mail. Plus one can expect to see a lot of AF stuff at the National Train Show (this is my guess, I have never attended a NTS before). Now having said all of that, I would love to have the opportunity to attend a clinic on how to lubricate AM and SHS locomotives ( I do not know if I do it right or not) and how to put scale couplers on American Models FP7s and E8s, something that seems a lot more difficult than I think it ought to be. I would also attend a TMCC clinic if it did not interfere with higher priority clinics or tours. Maybe some of the experts in this group might volunteer with off-line emails to Uncle Edward L. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 3/25/2011 12:08:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, _rbubeck327@..._ (mailto:rbubeck327@...) writes: Sorry to observe that this convention has a very disappointing program with which roughly half of the hobby is ignored. Where are the clinics on Gilbert Flyer, modern hi-rail S gauge, TMCC, repairs, etc., etc., etc.? Joint NASG/NMRA conventions have not always been so narrow in scope (e.g., St. Paul, MN a decade ago). Are there any modern hi-rail and traditional Gilbert layouts on the layout tour? Doesn't appear to be. The NASG is supposed to embrace the broader aspects of the S gauge hobby. Just think from where over half the dues comes. California has robust constituencies in the operating, collecting, repair of vintage Gilbert Flyer and Lionel Flyer, as well as modern hi-rail enthusiasts who love SHS and AM hi-rail equipment. Logic would indicate that these S gauge communities be represented in the program. Nice web site, anyway...... Bob Bubeck In a message dated 3/25/2011 5:56:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, __S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) writes: Gentlemen.. Here is some current information regarding the S scale activities at the joint NASG/NMRA convention in "S"acramento, California in July 2011: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64002	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: 6-8-6 - one more thing

There is of course speculation that the conservative PRR built way too many K-4s, before they realized they needed MORE power, hence the M-1 built as multi-purpose freight/passenger loco. The K-5 had too much power against the wheel arrangement, hence the slippage issues. Jim Lyle In a message dated 3/25/2011 10:49:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brady@... writes: I've seen some footage of PRR T-1's with severe slippage; I'm not an expert but it seems like the efforts to replace the K-4 were interesting but not entirely successful. Lots of exotic power on the Pennsy. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64003	From: John Metzger	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: S Fest

Ask MOE BERK at afsgsla@...   He is the St Louis Club coordenator about the Fall S Fest 2011. ________________________________ From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, March 25, 2011 12:44:02 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S Fest   Am I missing something? Is information for the fall S Fest in St. Louis online somewhere? Roy I. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64004	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 3/25/2011
Subject: Re: scale layouts on utube

Silly me! I forgot to paste links into my message. http://sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home/videos http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=mlkH4BYMLZo Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: Our club's website has nine embedded YouTube videos of our S-Scale layout - S-Helper track, Tom's Turnouts, and trains from S-Helper, American Models, Flyonel, and Gilbert. And I have a bunch more under my handle "ParkVisitor". --- On Fri, 3/25/11, tennsgauge@... <tennsgauge@...> wrote: From: tennsgauge@... <tennsgauge@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S Scale Convention - scale layouts on utube To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 12:20 PM I have found a few good S scale videos on Utube but most are really short, like 16 seconds, for example. But here is a really good one of Bob Werre's layout. It is a little more than 2 minutes. I would like to see some 10 minute videos of layouts like this and the height of the rails would not matter to me as long as its not American Flyer track. _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzdur6DS57g_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzdur6DS57g) I hope yahoo does not stripe the link from this email - Earl Henry There are a few good scale layouts In a message dated 3/25/2011 1:47:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, adlbert1950@... writes: from: Alan Lambert Lone Star Flyer Club Arlington, Texas I have to agree with you I have not seen one Scale Layout on U-Tube. Maybe they don't want us to know it is scale so we would watch it, Thanks, Alan Lambert --- On Fri, 3/25/11, _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) <_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) > wrote: From: _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) <_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S Scale Convention To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 12:56 PM I am part hirail and part scale with my start in S beginning at age 5 when I received an AF set with Hudson and some very nice accessories.. I continue my interest in hirail primarily because of my wife's 5 year old grandson and some other young cousins that I have introduced to S gauge. My personal modeling interests have moved to scale and I am building modules that will be a mixture of code 100 and code 125 trackwork. Thus my interests in S are pretty broad. I think the Sacto 2011 Convention is extremely well planned and that Uncle Edward has done a great job with the schedule of events and with keeping us informed at every step of the process, starting more than a year ago. So I have no complaints. I am especially looking forward to the clinics on electronics (DCC, signaling, etc.) for all modelers of any gauge or flange depth, even though I fear that many of them will be over my head. The all day tour on Wednesday to see outstanding layouts in the area is especially appealing and it is a great opportunity to meet other S gaugers. There may not be highrail on this tour, I really do not know. But highrail tours are plentiful in most of our regions and you can see almost anything you would want to see (and a lot you would not want to see) of American Flyer layouts on Utube. Not so with scale layouts. Scale layouts are almost nonexistent in many parts of the country including Tennessee where I live. So I see the Wednesday tour of scale layouts as taking advantage of the best that S has to offer in the region. If one wants to see highrail, there is a great highrail layout that will be set up at the convention. This layout is nicely covered in an article in the Dispatch that I received in yesterday's mail. Plus one can expect to see a lot of AF stuff at the National Train Show (this is my guess, I have never attended a NTS before). Now having said all of that, I would love to have the opportunity to attend a clinic on how to lubricate AM and SHS locomotives ( I do not know if I do it right or not) and how to put scale couplers on American Models FP7s and E8s, something that seems a lot more difficult than I think it ought to be. I would also attend a TMCC clinic if it did not interfere with higher priority clinics or tours. Maybe some of the experts in this group might volunteer with off-line emails to Uncle Edward L. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 3/25/2011 12:08:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, _rbubeck327@..._ (mailto:rbubeck327@...) writes: Sorry to observe that this convention has a very disappointing program with which roughly half of the hobby is ignored. Where are the clinics on Gilbert Flyer, modern hi-rail S gauge, TMCC, repairs, etc., etc., etc.? Joint NASG/NMRA conventions have not always been so narrow in scope (e.g., St. Paul, MN a decade ago). Are there any modern hi-rail and traditional Gilbert layouts on the layout tour? Doesn't appear to be. The NASG is supposed to embrace the broader aspects of the S gauge hobby. Just think from where over half the dues comes. California has robust constituencies in the operating, collecting, repair of vintage Gilbert Flyer and Lionel Flyer, as well as modern hi-rail enthusiasts who love SHS and AM hi-rail equipment. Logic would indicate that these S gauge communities be represented in the program. Nice web site, anyway...... Bob Bubeck In a message dated 3/25/2011 5:56:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, __S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) writes: Gentlemen.. Here is some current information regarding the S scale activities at the joint NASG/NMRA convention in "S"acramento, California in July 2011: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64005	From: Ben	Date: 3/26/2011
Subject: Re: the beast - why number 353

His choice of number and more specifically paint scheme was the most strange thing to me about this creation. I am not against people creating their own type of locomotives or rolling stock with junker AF pieces. Create!! But...circuses NEVER owned their own motive power (except at Winter quarters to move around the train cars on their rails- and more often than not they tugged the train cars around with 4 cylinder AC Mack Bulldog trucks!!). Too much overhead to own locomotives. They contracted with the railroads over whose track they traveled and the RR assigned the appropriate motive power to move the sections of circus trains. Circus stock cars and flat cars were also double the length of normal RR cars as circuses were charged by the total number of actual cars being moved, not the total footage of those cars. Circus men were shrewd business men- and they knew it was not a wise business move to own their own locomotives. Had this "beast" been painted black like a "normal" train locomotive, it would have made much more "sense." --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al" <albaker33@...> wrote: > > I messaged the seller the other day. He said he used the number 353 because it was the only red number decal he happened to have on hand at the time. Also, he was delighted with the selling price - he did not expect near so much! > > Al Baker > Portland >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64006	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/26/2011
Subject: How about one of these in S?

http://picasaweb.google.com/herkamur42/RandyMasalesPennsylvaniaRailroad#slideshow/5403803083885151250 http://picasaweb.google.com/herkamur42/RandyMasalesPennsylvaniaRailroad#slideshow/5403803213032178290 Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64007	From: Neil Trump	Date: 3/26/2011
Subject: Re: the beast - why number 353

So should we be criticising ACG then for producing the red circus loco? I think we should take a step back and realise that these are toys and people create these interesting items in the spirit of of being different and not for scale realism as per the prototypes. Regards, Neil Sent from my iPad On 26 Mar 2011, at 12:11, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote: > His choice of number and more specifically paint scheme was the most strange thing to me about this creation. I am not against people creating their own type of locomotives or rolling stock with junker AF pieces. Create!! > > But...circuses NEVER owned their own motive power (except at Winter quarters to move around the train cars on their rails- and more often than not they tugged the train cars around with 4 cylinder AC Mack Bulldog trucks!!). Too much overhead to own locomotives. They contracted with the railroads over whose track they traveled and the RR assigned the appropriate motive power to move the sections of circus trains. Circus stock cars and flat cars were also double the length of normal RR cars as circuses were charged by the total number of actual cars being moved, not the total footage of those cars. Circus men were shrewd business men- and they knew it was not a wise business move to own their own locomotives. > > Had this "beast" been painted black like a "normal" train locomotive, it would have made much more "sense." > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al" <albaker33@...> wrote: > > > > I messaged the seller the other day. He said he used the number 353 because it was the only red number decal he happened to have on hand at the time. Also, he was delighted with the selling price - he did not expect near so much! > > > > Al Baker > > Portland > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64008	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/26/2011
Subject: How to Build a Low Bridge Warning

http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/585/41352/april-1940-page-30 Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64009	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/26/2011
Subject: Re: S Fest

Any information on what car(s) will be available? Roy I. on 3/25/11 1:56 PM, tennsgauge@... at tennsgauge@... wrote: > > > > > > > I see only the dates listed on the Saint Louis S gaugers site. It is also > listed in the Dispatch that was delivered this week. > > The Dispatch information is: > > Oct. 28-30, 2011,: 36th annual S Test, St. Louis airport Marriott Hotel, > rooms $79 per night. Contacts: _afsgasla@... > <mailto:_afsgasla%40sbcglobal.net> _ > (mailto:afsgasla@... <mailto:afsgasla%40sbcglobal.net> ) or try > _www.trainweb.org/afsgsla_ > (http://www.trainweb.org/afsgsla) > > > Its a little early and my guess is that there will be plenty of information > in upcoming issues of Dispatch and S Gaugian. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > In a message dated 3/25/2011 1:08:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > rinphoto@... <mailto:rinphoto%40everestkc.net> writes: > > Am I missing something? Is information for the fall S Fest in St. Louis > online somewhere? > Roy I. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64010	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/26/2011
Subject: Re: scale layouts on utube

Thanks Robert, as I tried to find them. Mike From: The Upstairs Train Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:11 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: scale layouts on utube Silly me! I forgot to paste links into my message. http://sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home/videos http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=mlkH4BYMLZo Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Robert Graves <mailto:theupstairstrain%40yahoo.com> wrote: Our club's website has nine embedded YouTube videos of our S-Scale layout - S-Helper track, Tom's Turnouts, and trains from S-Helper, American Models, Flyonel, and Gilbert. And I have a bunch more under my handle "ParkVisitor". --- On Fri, 3/25/11, mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com <mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com> wrote: From: mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com <mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S Scale Convention - scale layouts on utube To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 12:20 PM I have found a few good S scale videos on Utube but most are really short, like 16 seconds, for example. But here is a really good one of Bob Werre's layout. It is a little more than 2 minutes. I would like to see some 10 minute videos of layouts like this and the height of the rails would not matter to me as long as its not American Flyer track. _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzdur6DS57g_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzdur6DS57g) I hope yahoo does not stripe the link from this email - Earl Henry There are a few good scale layouts In a message dated 3/25/2011 1:47:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mailto:adlbert1950%40sbcglobal.net writes: from: Alan Lambert Lone Star Flyer Club Arlington, Texas I have to agree with you I have not seen one Scale Layout on U-Tube. Maybe they don't want us to know it is scale so we would watch it, Thanks, Alan Lambert --- On Fri, 3/25/11, mailto:_tennsgauge%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com) <mailto:_tennsgauge%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com) > wrote: From: mailto:_tennsgauge%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com) <mailto:_tennsgauge%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S Scale Convention To: mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 12:56 PM I am part hirail and part scale with my start in S beginning at age 5 when I received an AF set with Hudson and some very nice accessories.. I continue my interest in hirail primarily because of my wife's 5 year old grandson and some other young cousins that I have introduced to S gauge. My personal modeling interests have moved to scale and I am building modules that will be a mixture of code 100 and code 125 trackwork. Thus my interests in S are pretty broad. I think the Sacto 2011 Convention is extremely well planned and that Uncle Edward has done a great job with the schedule of events and with keeping us informed at every step of the process, starting more than a year ago. So I have no complaints. I am especially looking forward to the clinics on electronics (DCC, signaling, etc.) for all modelers of any gauge or flange depth, even though I fear that many of them will be over my head. The all day tour on Wednesday to see outstanding layouts in the area is especially appealing and it is a great opportunity to meet other S gaugers. There may not be highrail on this tour, I really do not know. But highrail tours are plentiful in most of our regions and you can see almost anything you would want to see (and a lot you would not want to see) of American Flyer layouts on Utube. Not so with scale layouts. Scale layouts are almost nonexistent in many parts of the country including Tennessee where I live. So I see the Wednesday tour of scale layouts as taking advantage of the best that S has to offer in the region. If one wants to see highrail, there is a great highrail layout that will be set up at the convention. This layout is nicely covered in an article in the Dispatch that I received in yesterday's mail. Plus one can expect to see a lot of AF stuff at the National Train Show (this is my guess, I have never attended a NTS before). Now having said all of that, I would love to have the opportunity to attend a clinic on how to lubricate AM and SHS locomotives ( I do not know if I do it right or not) and how to put scale couplers on American Models FP7s and E8s, something that seems a lot more difficult than I think it ought to be. I would also attend a TMCC clinic if it did not interfere with higher priority clinics or tours. Maybe some of the experts in this group might volunteer with off-line emails to Uncle Edward L. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 3/25/2011 12:08:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mailto:_rbubeck327%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:rbubeck327%40aol.com) writes: Sorry to observe that this convention has a very disappointing program with which roughly half of the hobby is ignored. Where are the clinics on Gilbert Flyer, modern hi-rail S gauge, TMCC, repairs, etc., etc., etc.? Joint NASG/NMRA conventions have not always been so narrow in scope (e.g., St. Paul, MN a decade ago). Are there any modern hi-rail and traditional Gilbert layouts on the layout tour? Doesn't appear to be. The NASG is supposed to embrace the broader aspects of the S gauge hobby. Just think from where over half the dues comes. California has robust constituencies in the operating, collecting, repair of vintage Gilbert Flyer and Lionel Flyer, as well as modern hi-rail enthusiasts who love SHS and AM hi-rail equipment. Logic would indicate that these S gauge communities be represented in the program. Nice web site, anyway...... Bob Bubeck In a message dated 3/25/2011 5:56:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mailto:__S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) ) writes: Gentlemen.. Here is some current information regarding the S scale activities at the joint NASG/NMRA convention in "S"acramento, California in July 2011: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64011	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/26/2011
Subject: Re: scale layouts on utube

Robert, The youtube link is something else, but the first link is perfect. Mike From: The Upstairs Train Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:11 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: scale layouts on utube Silly me! I forgot to paste links into my message. http://sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home/videos http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=mlkH4BYMLZo Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Robert Graves <mailto:theupstairstrain%40yahoo.com> wrote: Our club's website has nine embedded YouTube videos of our S-Scale layout - S-Helper track, Tom's Turnouts, and trains from S-Helper, American Models, Flyonel, and Gilbert. And I have a bunch more under my handle "ParkVisitor". --- On Fri, 3/25/11, mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com <mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com> wrote: From: mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com <mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S Scale Convention - scale layouts on utube To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 12:20 PM I have found a few good S scale videos on Utube but most are really short, like 16 seconds, for example. But here is a really good one of Bob Werre's layout. It is a little more than 2 minutes. I would like to see some 10 minute videos of layouts like this and the height of the rails would not matter to me as long as its not American Flyer track. _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzdur6DS57g_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzdur6DS57g) I hope yahoo does not stripe the link from this email - Earl Henry There are a few good scale layouts In a message dated 3/25/2011 1:47:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mailto:adlbert1950%40sbcglobal.net writes: from: Alan Lambert Lone Star Flyer Club Arlington, Texas I have to agree with you I have not seen one Scale Layout on U-Tube. Maybe they don't want us to know it is scale so we would watch it, Thanks, Alan Lambert --- On Fri, 3/25/11, mailto:_tennsgauge%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com) <mailto:_tennsgauge%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com) > wrote: From: mailto:_tennsgauge%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com) <mailto:_tennsgauge%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:tennsgauge%40aol.com) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S Scale Convention To: mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 12:56 PM I am part hirail and part scale with my start in S beginning at age 5 when I received an AF set with Hudson and some very nice accessories.. I continue my interest in hirail primarily because of my wife's 5 year old grandson and some other young cousins that I have introduced to S gauge. My personal modeling interests have moved to scale and I am building modules that will be a mixture of code 100 and code 125 trackwork. Thus my interests in S are pretty broad. I think the Sacto 2011 Convention is extremely well planned and that Uncle Edward has done a great job with the schedule of events and with keeping us informed at every step of the process, starting more than a year ago. So I have no complaints. I am especially looking forward to the clinics on electronics (DCC, signaling, etc.) for all modelers of any gauge or flange depth, even though I fear that many of them will be over my head. The all day tour on Wednesday to see outstanding layouts in the area is especially appealing and it is a great opportunity to meet other S gaugers. There may not be highrail on this tour, I really do not know. But highrail tours are plentiful in most of our regions and you can see almost anything you would want to see (and a lot you would not want to see) of American Flyer layouts on Utube. Not so with scale layouts. Scale layouts are almost nonexistent in many parts of the country including Tennessee where I live. So I see the Wednesday tour of scale layouts as taking advantage of the best that S has to offer in the region. If one wants to see highrail, there is a great highrail layout that will be set up at the convention. This layout is nicely covered in an article in the Dispatch that I received in yesterday's mail. Plus one can expect to see a lot of AF stuff at the National Train Show (this is my guess, I have never attended a NTS before). Now having said all of that, I would love to have the opportunity to attend a clinic on how to lubricate AM and SHS locomotives ( I do not know if I do it right or not) and how to put scale couplers on American Models FP7s and E8s, something that seems a lot more difficult than I think it ought to be. I would also attend a TMCC clinic if it did not interfere with higher priority clinics or tours. Maybe some of the experts in this group might volunteer with off-line emails to Uncle Edward L. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 3/25/2011 12:08:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mailto:_rbubeck327%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:rbubeck327%40aol.com) writes: Sorry to observe that this convention has a very disappointing program with which roughly half of the hobby is ignored. Where are the clinics on Gilbert Flyer, modern hi-rail S gauge, TMCC, repairs, etc., etc., etc.? Joint NASG/NMRA conventions have not always been so narrow in scope (e.g., St. Paul, MN a decade ago). Are there any modern hi-rail and traditional Gilbert layouts on the layout tour? Doesn't appear to be. The NASG is supposed to embrace the broader aspects of the S gauge hobby. Just think from where over half the dues comes. California has robust constituencies in the operating, collecting, repair of vintage Gilbert Flyer and Lionel Flyer, as well as modern hi-rail enthusiasts who love SHS and AM hi-rail equipment. Logic would indicate that these S gauge communities be represented in the program. Nice web site, anyway...... Bob Bubeck In a message dated 3/25/2011 5:56:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mailto:__S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) ) writes: Gentlemen.. Here is some current information regarding the S scale activities at the joint NASG/NMRA convention in "S"acramento, California in July 2011: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64012	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/26/2011
Subject: 947 Reefer

http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-947-NP-Reefer-think-can-rare-/190515798840?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2c5ba06338 This is on eBay as the doors have no writing on them. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64013	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/26/2011
Subject: Scale layouts on utube

Of course one problem with searching for "S scale" layouts is that so many of them are not scale. Maybe just a small percentage of them. Some of the AF and other highrail layouts are nice but there are some really terrible ones too. I previously mentioned that Bob Werre's utube video is one of my favorites. _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzdur6DS57g_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzdur6DS57g) Another favorite is a video of the Piedmont S Gaugers. I received some information this morning about this group after asking a friend in the Blue Ridge Scalers about them. . "The Piedmont S Gaugers are a splinter group that broke away from ACSG about a year ago. ACSG still uses tubular track so they couldn't run the scale cars and locomotives that the Piedmont guys were buying. The Piedmont group has standardized on S-Helper track and Tom's turnouts and lay out their track to meet NASG standards". So I would consider this to be a "scale" club, a rarity in the South, as they probably can run both scale and highrail. I hope they will set up at the 2012 Chattanooga NASG Convention. Here is the link: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AJPB5-UfOM&feature=related_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AJPB5-UfOM&feature=related) I especially like seeing the Seaboard E8 in action. As for Robert Graves' comments about videos of the San Diego club, let me say I have watched their videos numerous times and find them entertaining. And their website has some great information about how they built their modules. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 3/25/2011 9:54:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, adlbert1950@... writes: From: Alan Lambert Robert, Now they start showing up. I will look them upin time. I knew that they were there just not how to find them. thanks, Alan --- On Fri, 3/25/11, Robert Graves <_theupstairstrain@..._ (mailto:theupstairstrain@...) > wrote: From: Robert Graves <_theupstairstrain@..._ (mailto:theupstairstrain@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: scale layouts on utube To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 5:43 PM Our club's website has nine embedded YouTube videos of our S-Scale layout - S-Helper track, Tom's Turnouts, and trains from S-Helper, American Models, Flyonel, and Gilbert. And I have a bunch more under my handle "ParkVisitor". --- On Fri, 3/25/11, _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) <_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) > wrote: From: _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) <_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S Scale Convention - scale layouts on utube To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 12:20 PM I have found a few good S scale videos on Utube but most are really short, like 16 seconds, for example. But here is a really good one of Bob Werre's layout. It is a little more than 2 minutes. I would like to see some 10 minute videos of layouts like this and the height of the rails would not matter to me as long as its not American Flyer track. __http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzdur6DS57g__ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzdur6DS57g_) (_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzdur6DS57g_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzdur6DS57g) ) I hope yahoo does not stripe the link from this email - Earl Henry There are a few good scale layouts In a message dated 3/25/2011 1:47:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, _adlbert1950@..._ (mailto:adlbert1950@...) writes: from: Alan Lambert Lone Star Flyer Club Arlington, Texas I have to agree with you I have not seen one Scale Layout on U-Tube. Maybe they don't want us to know it is scale so we would watch it, Thanks, Alan Lambert --- On Fri, 3/25/11, __tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:_tennsgauge@...) _ (mailto:_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) ) <__tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:_tennsgauge@...) _ (mailto:_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) ) > wrote: From: __tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:_tennsgauge@...) _ (mailto:_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) ) <__tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:_tennsgauge@...) _ (mailto:_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) ) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S Scale Convention To: __S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 12:56 PM I am part hirail and part scale with my start in S beginning at age 5 when I received an AF set with Hudson and some very nice accessories.. I continue my interest in hirail primarily because of my wife's 5 year old grandson and some other young cousins that I have introduced to S gauge. My personal modeling interests have moved to scale and I am building modules that will be a mixture of code 100 and code 125 trackwork. Thus my interests in S are pretty broad. I think the Sacto 2011 Convention is extremely well planned and that Uncle Edward has done a great job with the schedule of events and with keeping us informed at every step of the process, starting more than a year ago. So I have no complaints. I am especially looking forward to the clinics on electronics (DCC, signaling, etc.) for all modelers of any gauge or flange depth, even though I fear that many of them will be over my head. The all day tour on Wednesday to see outstanding layouts in the area is especially appealing and it is a great opportunity to meet other S gaugers. There may not be highrail on this tour, I really do not know. But highrail tours are plentiful in most of our regions and you can see almost anything you would want to see (and a lot you would not want to see) of American Flyer layouts on Utube. Not so with scale layouts. Scale layouts are almost nonexistent in many parts of the country including Tennessee where I live. So I see the Wednesday tour of scale layouts as taking advantage of the best that S has to offer in the region. If one wants to see highrail, there is a great highrail layout that will be set up at the convention. This layout is nicely covered in an article in the Dispatch that I received in yesterday's mail. Plus one can expect to see a lot of AF stuff at the National Train Show (this is my guess, I have never attended a NTS before). Now having said all of that, I would love to have the opportunity to attend a clinic on how to lubricate AM and SHS locomotives ( I do not know if I do it right or not) and how to put scale couplers on American Models FP7s and E8s, something that seems a lot more difficult than I think it ought to be. I would also attend a TMCC clinic if it did not interfere with higher priority clinics or tours. Maybe some of the experts in this group might volunteer with off-line emails to Uncle Edward L. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 3/25/2011 12:08:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, __rbubeck327@..._ (mailto:_rbubeck327@...) _ (mailto:_rbubeck327@..._ (mailto:rbubeck327@...) ) writes: Sorry to observe that this convention has a very disappointing program with which roughly half of the hobby is ignored. Where are the clinics on Gilbert Flyer, modern hi-rail S gauge, TMCC, repairs, etc., etc., etc.? Joint NASG/NMRA conventions have not always been so narrow in scope (e.g., St. Paul, MN a decade ago). Are there any modern hi-rail and traditional Gilbert layouts on the layout tour? Doesn't appear to be. The NASG is supposed to embrace the broader aspects of the S gauge hobby. Just think from where over half the dues comes. California has robust constituencies in the operating, collecting, repair of vintage Gilbert Flyer and Lionel Flyer, as well as modern hi-rail enthusiasts who love SHS and AM hi-rail equipment. Logic would indicate that these S gauge communities be represented in the program. Nice web site, anyway...... Bob Bubeck In a message dated 3/25/2011 5:56:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ___S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:__S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:__S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) _ (mailto:__S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) ) writes: Gentlemen.. Here is some current information regarding the S scale activities at the joint NASG/NMRA convention in "S"acramento, California in July 2011: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64014	From: Ben	Date: 3/26/2011
Subject: Re: the beast - why number 353

We should...and I know they are toys. Marx and Ives among other toy manufacturers included circus locos with their circus sets as well. It was smart for marketing- the circus cars alone for separate sale might not have sold as well- a complete set would and did. Toy vs. realism aside, the AF circus set is my all time favorite train set. I appreciate it very much. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> wrote: > > So should we be criticising ACG then for producing the red circus loco? > > I think we should take a step back and realise that these are toys and people create these interesting items in the spirit of of being different and not for scale realism as per the prototypes. > > Regards, > > Neil > > Sent from my iPad > > On 26 Mar 2011, at 12:11, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote: > > > His choice of number and more specifically paint scheme was the most strange thing to me about this creation. I am not against people creating their own type of locomotives or rolling stock with junker AF pieces. Create!! > > > > But...circuses NEVER owned their own motive power (except at Winter quarters to move around the train cars on their rails- and more often than not they tugged the train cars around with 4 cylinder AC Mack Bulldog trucks!!). Too much overhead to own locomotives. They contracted with the railroads over whose track they traveled and the RR assigned the appropriate motive power to move the sections of circus trains. Circus stock cars and flat cars were also double the length of normal RR cars as circuses were charged by the total number of actual cars being moved, not the total footage of those cars. Circus men were shrewd business men- and they knew it was not a wise business move to own their own locomotives. > > > > Had this "beast" been painted black like a "normal" train locomotive, it would have made much more "sense." > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al" <albaker33@> wrote: > > > > > > I messaged the seller the other day. He said he used the number 353 because it was the only red number decal he happened to have on hand at the time. Also, he was delighted with the selling price - he did not expect near so much! > > > > > > Al Baker > > > Portland > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64015	From: richs009	Date: 3/26/2011
Subject: Interesting eBay post

A large collection of Flyer (I see a GG-1, I think, so its not all Flyer) engines, rolling stock, track, accessories, etc, here: 280647381049 Just in case any of you have some spare dollars lying around...! Too bad the seller didn't do a better job of showing and describing the collection - could be a bit of a crap shoot.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64016	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 3/27/2011
Subject: "S"acto Convention

Gentlemen.... Here is some information and advice pertaining to the joint NASG/NMRA convention in "S"acramento this summer. A word to the wise should be sufficient. Thanks....Ed Loizeaux ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ From: X2011West Registration [mailto:x2011west@...] Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:51 PM Subject: X2011 West Convention Tours Have you ever shown up at a NMRA convention and found that the tour or tours that you wanted to go on had been cancelled? Well, the cut-off date for this year's convention is approaching. To keep from taking a big loss, some tours will need to be cancelled if there is not enough interest. Right now, there are a number of tours that are close to the chopping block (some as low as 5% of the available seats being booked). The cut-off date will probably be the second weekend in April. If there is a tour that you think you'd like to attend, please register NOW, so we'll have a realistic feel for the interest in these activities. We on the committee REALLY want to provide the widest range of activities for our attendees, but we also have to operate in a fiscally responsible manner. All of these tours are listed on the convention website, www.x2011west.org. Also, please check the website for new activities and clinics being offered. New clinics have been added recently, so it's well worthwhile to check every two weeks or so from here until July. Please help us help you.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64017	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 3/27/2011
Subject: NCE 10 amp power boosters (for sale)

Gentlemen..I have three brand new NCE ten ampere DCC power boosters for sale. Asking 50% of normal retail price plus postage. Here is the catch: These are without the sheet metal box and without the reverse loop circuitry. All else is included and never used. Circuit boards can be mounted to plywood using standoffs. Made by NCE especially for me. Highest offer will be considered if nobody wants to pay 50%. Normal retail price is $270. Hope to hear from you. Cheers.Ed Loizeaux [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64018	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2011
Subject: Re: "S"acto Convention

Uncle Edward, Do you know which tours are in danger of being cancelled? If its the Monday train rides up into the Sierra mountains, we might delay our trip a day. I certainly hope the Wednesday trip for us S Scale guys and gals is not in danger of being cancelled either. - Earl Henry, Nashville . In a message dated 3/27/2011 1:36:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Loizeaux@... writes: Gentlemen.... Here is some information and advice pertaining to the joint NASG/NMRA convention in "S"acramento this summer. A word to the wise should be sufficient. Thanks....Ed Loizeaux ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ From: X2011West Registration [mailto:_x2011west@..._ (mailto:x2011west@...) ] Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:51 PM Subject: X2011 West Convention Tours Have you ever shown up at a NMRA convention and found that the tour or tours that you wanted to go on had been cancelled? Well, the cut-off date for this year's convention is approaching. To keep from taking a big loss, some tours will need to be cancelled if there is not enough interest. Right now, there are a number of tours that are close to the chopping block (some as low as 5% of the available seats being booked). The cut-off date will probably be the second weekend in April. If there is a tour that you think you'd like to attend, please register NOW, so we'll have a realistic feel for the interest in these activities. We on the committee REALLY want to provide the widest range of activities for our attendees, but we also have to operate in a fiscally responsible manner. All of these tours are listed on the convention website, www.x2011west.org. Also, please check the website for new activities and clinics being offered. New clinics have been added recently, so it's well worthwhile to check every two weeks or so from here until July. Please help us help you. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64020	From: Ben	Date: 3/27/2011
Subject: Tuscan 652, 653, 654 wanted

Well- our newborn girl Emma has spent some time in the train room and is accustomed to the whistles and bells (we took her in there when she was in utero to get her used to the sounds...) I asked her mommy if she thought Emma was a freight train girl or a passenger train girl. Mommy's answer was that Emma is way to classy for freight. So, I decided that the perfect consist to go behind her 315 K-5 Pacific (she was born on 3/15) would be Tuscan 650 series Pullmans. I am interested in a good set of two (2) 652 coaches, one (1) 653 combine, and one (1) 654 observation cars in Tuscan color scheme. Please let me know if you have any for sale...otherwise this will give us something fun to look for at the TCA York meet coming up in a few weeks. I signed Emma up for TCA Kid's Club membership at exactly one week old! I really hope she ends up actually liking toy trains! Thanks- Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64021	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2011
Subject: RCTHS Train Meet

Reading Company Technical & Historical Society ( RCTHS ) SPRING TRAIN MEET is Sunday April 3rd at the Leesport Farmers Market, Rt 61, Leesport PA. Doors Open 9 AM,( til 1 PM ) $ 4.00 Adult admission, Children 12 & Under FREE. Trains of ALL ages and guages will be offered for sale by vendors from across the region served by the former READING RR. Contact _dalem1955@..._ (mailto:dalem1955@...) Thank You Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64022	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 3/27/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 3/27/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday March 27, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64023	From: Dave Bellian	Date: 3/27/2011
Subject: Re: FALL S FEST 2010

Hello Was wondering if there is any news on the convention cars from the Falll S fest We ordered one of each number sent in payment on 6-16-2010 check # 4398, from Dave Bellian 9190 Chatham Cir. N. Ridgeville Ohio, 44039 Thanks, Dave -----Original Message----- From: willhhj <willhhj@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sat, Jun 12, 2010 3:31 pm Subject: [S-Trains] FALL S FEST 2010 Things are moving along well for the Fall S fest. Registrations to date exceed the number recveied at this time when the Fest was last in the Chicago area in 2006. The layout room is filling up fast. There are already eight layouts that will be within the 5,500 square foot space. For scale there will be Charles Malinowski's 4 by 6, the National Association of S Gaugers switching layout and the 10 by 10 Sn3 portable layout from Don Campion and Roger Sesterhenn. A 3-1/2 by 6 Scale/HiRail Layout and a combined Scale/HiRail modular layout from the Chicagoland and Badgerland clubs will be there. For the pure Flyer guys, ther will be a pikemaster layout and Charlie and Clay Buckage's restore Flyer department store layout. The will probably as many as 5-6 more layouts addes before the room is full. There will be more than 225 tables and 18 manufacturer 10 by 10 booths in the 17,000 square foot display room. Space is filling up fast there as well. The meet cars are the 1937 10' 6" high ARA box cars from S Scale America. They will be lettered for Elgin, Joliet and Eastern in two different paint schemes. One is an all-dark-green car with orange letteing; the other is an orange over dark green car with the letter in the opposite color on each half of the car side. The "j" is the most recent "Fallen Flag" in the Chicago area, having been merged into the Canadian National in January of 2009. In addition to the layout and trading rooms, there will be a model contest with cash prizes, several clinics, a hospitality/video room, train races and an extensive family program. The family program will include "Friday Night at the Movies," special clinics, a "Shopping Trip without the Trip," and a wine tasting. You will want to be part of this annual S model railroading event. For complete information, go to the web site: www.fallsfest.net. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64024	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/27/2011
Subject: Re: Tuscan 652, 653, 654 wanted

Will have 3+ sets with red / tuscan at York on monday - wed at the reliance fire hall.;.... Bob --- On Sun, 3/27/11, Ben <lbstiles@...> wrote: From: Ben <lbstiles@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Tuscan 652, 653, 654 wanted To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 3:55 PM   Well- our newborn girl Emma has spent some time in the train room and is accustomed to the whistles and bells (we took her in there when she was in utero to get her used to the sounds...) I asked her mommy if she thought Emma was a freight train girl or a passenger train girl. Mommy's answer was that Emma is way to classy for freight. So, I decided that the perfect consist to go behind her 315 K-5 Pacific (she was born on 3/15) would be Tuscan 650 series Pullmans. I am interested in a good set of two (2) 652 coaches, one (1) 653 combine, and one (1) 654 observation cars in Tuscan color scheme. Please let me know if you have any for sale...otherwise this will give us something fun to look for at the TCA York meet coming up in a few weeks. I signed Emma up for TCA Kid's Club membership at exactly one week old! I really hope she ends up actually liking toy trains! Thanks- Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64025	From: Ben	Date: 3/27/2011
Subject: Re: Tuscan 652, 653, 654 wanted

Won't get there until Tuesday...but will hope to see some still available. I know they are out there- I was trying to see if anyone had a set readily available. I have a few years to get this together, anyway!! Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: > > Will have 3+ sets with red / tuscan at York on monday - wed at the reliance fire hall.;.... Bob > > --- On Sun, 3/27/11, Ben <lbstiles@...> wrote: > > > From: Ben <lbstiles@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Tuscan 652, 653, 654 wanted > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 3:55 PM > > >   > > > > Well- our newborn girl Emma has spent some time in the train room and is accustomed to the whistles and bells (we took her in there when she was in utero to get her used to the sounds...) > > I asked her mommy if she thought Emma was a freight train girl or a passenger train girl. Mommy's answer was that Emma is way to classy for freight. So, I decided that the perfect consist to go behind her 315 K-5 Pacific (she was born on 3/15) would be Tuscan 650 series Pullmans. > > I am interested in a good set of two (2) 652 coaches, one (1) 653 combine, and one (1) 654 observation cars in Tuscan color scheme. > > Please let me know if you have any for sale...otherwise this will give us something fun to look for at the TCA York meet coming up in a few weeks. I signed Emma up for TCA Kid's Club membership at exactly one week old! I really hope she ends up actually liking toy trains! > > Thanks- Ben > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64026	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/28/2011
Subject: Re: AF Wanted

Wouldn't we all? Check with Gary Clark. He has that kind of stuff. Steve In a message dated 3/27/2011 1:45:17 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, HLK3188@... writes: Looking for a 21140 Northern and a 21129 Hudson, would prefer like new or better. email Harry _hlk3188@..._ (mailto:hlk3188@...) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64027	From: don@showcaseline.com	Date: 3/28/2011
Subject: Fwd: NYTimes.com: Harry Coover, Super Glue's Inventor, Dies at 94

Truly a sad day for anyone who models...Don   This page was sent to you by: don@.... BUSINESS DAY | March 28, 2011 Harry Coover, Super Glue's Inventor, Dies at 94 By ELIZABETH A. HARRIS Dr. Coover first happened upon the super-sticky adhesive by accident when he was working on plastic gun-sights for Eastman Kodak during World War II. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/28/business/28coover.html?emc=eta1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64028	From: mike_a_2001	Date: 3/28/2011
Subject: AF Pee-Wee on eBay

Another AF Mod! http://cgi.ebay.com/Pee-Wee-53-Smoking-CIRCUS-Midget-Engine-Tender-/300541478050?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item45f9ab04a2#ht_500wt_1036 Mike Andrzejewski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64029	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/28/2011
Subject: Re: AF Wanted

My first train set was the set with the 21129, as I still have the set. It was played with, the tender has two steps gone, the roof has a slight bent to it when it fell off the table, the engine was gone for 10 years being repaired, not from the fall,I was in college and the shoppe went out of business, wrote about this before. The 2 flat cars where left over 3 digits cars, as the caboose has description written by hand. But no matter the value of it, it was a important thing from my childhood. I have since rebuilt this set with E+ pieces, all the correct numbers and found a great 21129 at York a few years ago with all steps on the tender. You never know when you might find one. For a while, many 21129’s where on ebay, but it seemed to dry up now, being on ebay, 21129 engines. but keep looking, as last year, I got a LN 21139 for a set of cars from 1959 that I got in 1994 or so. And yes, I know you are looking for a 21140. Mike From: boss31@... Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 2:41 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Wanted Wouldn't we all? Check with Gary Clark. He has that kind of stuff. Steve In a message dated 3/27/2011 1:45:17 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mailto:HLK3188%40msn.com writes: Looking for a 21140 Northern and a 21129 Hudson, would prefer like new or better. email Harry mailto:_hlk3188%40msn.com_ (mailto:mailto:hlk3188%40msn.com) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64030	From: Dave	Date: 3/28/2011
Subject: A&P Trailing Truck Cover

Looks like it will be another 2 weeks or so before we can start offering our CAST METAL COVER for the American Flyer pre-1965 Atlantic and Pacific steam engines with exposed engine trailing wheels. These covers look like the "D" shaped trailing trucks on later #300 series Pacifics. This cover will slip under the exhisting metal tow bar and is held their by a forward permanent cross strap and and a rear cross sprap that is held in place by 2 screws. We will let everyone know when it is ready for purchase. Thank you all for your continuing support. FOR FURTHER INFO. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64031	From: Larry Asp	Date: 3/28/2011
Subject: Re: AF Pee-Wee on eBay

Wow! Having seen 2 examples of modifications like this now, Im changing my mind a little about kit bashing of Flyer stuff. I have always liked original running Flyer things, and never could get used to any Flyer things that had been kit bashed or modified. But - seeing this piece and the other modified steamer that this fellow had done, makes me want to do something iike this too. Getting original Flyer circus stuff is costly and what I see here is within the realm of many of us to do. Using basket case common stuff - its easy to see that something like this could be done for less than $100.00 - original paint color and good repro decals are available. At a local train show the other day - I saw a Royal Blue steamer go for under $50.00 - the paint was totally hen scratched, but a repaintable shell - should grabbed it while I had the chance. Id like to see what other good examples of kit bashed Flyer stuff is out there if anyone cares to post pictures. Many of us are likely sitting on boxes full of common/rough stuff that could be turned out in AF circus colors. On 2011-03-28, at 10:38 AM, mike_a_2001 wrote: > Another AF Mod! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Pee-Wee-53-Smoking-CIRCUS-Midget-Engine-Tender-/300541478050?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item45f9ab04a2#ht_500wt_1036 > > Mike Andrzejewski > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64032	From: Timboy	Date: 3/28/2011
Subject: Making a Change to a Narrow Section on My Flyer RR

Hi Everyone! I had to rebuild a small section of my RR recently. I knew that section was going to be a problem when I built it because the double mainline tracks were laid badly and too closely together. Here is a link to a page on my blog that I put together today showing the work I did: http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64033	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 3/28/2011
Subject: Re: Tuscan 652, 653, 654 wanted

I have a beautiful Green 951, 952, 953 & 954 set. Will be on the Holiday Inn parking lot in the corner on Mon, Tues & morning Wed. and Silver hall, I-23. Harwood P.S. Also a large selection of nice accessories -----Original Message----- From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:34 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tuscan 652, 653, 654 wanted Will have 3+ sets with red / tuscan at York on monday - wed at the reliance fire hall.;.... Bob --- On Sun, 3/27/11, Ben <lbstiles@...> wrote: From: Ben <lbstiles@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Tuscan 652, 653, 654 wanted To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 3:55 PM Well- our newborn girl Emma has spent some time in the train room and is accustomed to the whistles and bells (we took her in there when she was in utero to get her used to the sounds...) I asked her mommy if she thought Emma was a freight train girl or a passenger train girl. Mommy's answer was that Emma is way to classy for freight. So, I decided that the perfect consist to go behind her 315 K-5 Pacific (she was born on 3/15) would be Tuscan 650 series Pullmans. I am interested in a good set of two (2) 652 coaches, one (1) 653 combine, and one (1) 654 observation cars in Tuscan color scheme. Please let me know if you have any for sale...otherwise this will give us something fun to look for at the TCA York meet coming up in a few weeks. I signed Emma up for TCA Kid's Club membership at exactly one week old! I really hope she ends up actually liking toy trains! Thanks- Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64034	From: Bob	Date: 3/28/2011
Subject: Reminder--New Subscription Rate & Cover Price Increase April 1 for 1

Good evening. Only a few days remain before the Standard Rate subscription price for the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine increases from $27.95 to $30.95. If your subscription expired with Volume 11, #3 or will expire with the next issue (Volume 11, #4), please send in your renewal ASAP, if you haven't already done so, to avoid the increase (for a year). Thank you to those who have sent in their renewals. If you're not a current subscriber, go to www.1-64ModelingGuide.com to sign up, or get a check or money order in the mail postmarked before April 1! As a reminder, the cover price of the magazine will increase to $7.95, also effective April 1. In addition, the 1/2-year (2 issue) subscription is being eliminated. There will be no price increase for 1st Class USA, Canadian or International subscriptions. After a lot of thought, I have decided that the auto-renewal feature for subscriptions via PayPal will be dropped for all new subscriptions received on or after April 1, 2011. Even though it plainly states that at the time of signing up that renewals will be auto-renewing, there have been too many complaints and too many hassles to make this worthwhile. I want to make a point about the auto-renewal feature. I set the subscriptions up that way, not to save money (it's cheaper to invoice through the mail and I "eat" all the PayPal fees on online subscriptions and back issue sales, BTW). I did it for convenience (mine) and to even out revenue receipts, thus helping to improve cash flow. So much for that! While I'm on the topic of online renewals, if your bank or credit card info has changed you need to let PayPal know, otherwise the renewal charge will not go through. PayPal's message to me is that a subscriber has canceled their subscription. Oh, and one last thing regarding PayPal: You do NOT have to have an account with them to pay via credit card!! I have reviewed the process a number of times and it seems pretty straightforward to me, so I don't know what the issue is there. Thanks for reading and thanks for supporting the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine. Bob Nalbone Editor & Publisher 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine www.1-64ModelingGuide.com Mailing Address: RLN Publishing, PO Box 6104, West Orange NJ, 07052-6104

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64035	From: David Engle	Date: 3/29/2011
Subject: Re:

Has anyone ever offered a all-coach version of the 6-wheel combine? DJE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64036	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 3/29/2011
Subject: Godfather Rails

More vintage color photos.. http://www.godfatherrails.com Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64037	From: David Engle	Date: 3/29/2011
Subject: Re:

To clarify, I am referring to the AF 650/950 -series cars. I vaguely remember someone doing a 2-door baggage rendition. DJE ----- Original Message ----- From: David Engle To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Has anyone ever offered an all-coach version of the 6-wheel combine? DJE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64038	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 3/29/2011
Subject: Re: Re

David, Gilbert made three styles of passenger cars; Heavyweight cars, "New Haven" cars, and Streamline cars. They made a Combine, Coach, and Observation in the Heavyweight style cars with six wheel trucks, and they came in red or green. The only full Baggage car was of the more modern "New Haven" style and had four baggage doors and four wheel trucks, also availible in red or green. This was also used as the operating Mail Car. There was a Coach in the "New Haven" style, again with four wheel trucks and in red or green, but no Combine or Observation. American Models made a complete set of Heavyweight cars, including the Baggage car with six wheel trucks. Only the Coach was availble for seperate sale so those with sets could add more Coaches. The Baggage cars are hard to find separately. I believe that the streamline cars (both metal and plastic) were made as Combine, Coach, Dome, and Observation cars. Because these were "Light Weight" cars, they had four wheel trucks. Again, American Models made a full set with a baggage car. The Baggage car was a set only item, but I understand that some got sold separately too. There have also been kits made over the years of Baggage cars in Heavyweight and Streamline cars as well. Stumpy Stone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64039	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/30/2011
Subject: Re: SHS wood coil cars

Anyone have an SHS wood coil car for sale? Roy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64040	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2011
Subject: Re:

I am confused by your question. In particular your reference to "an all-coach version of the 6-wheel combine"? By any chance are you referring to some of the heavyweight car shells made by Tom Hodgson? Tom made several shells that would fit on the frames of the six wheel heavyweight cars (652/653/952/953). I think they were first made for the S-Fest cars, with a new one being offered each year. One of these was a two door baggage car that was the same length of the Pullman heavyweights. Three of these cars were simply duplicates of the observation, pullman, and combine. But the baggage, RPO, coach, and dining cars were unique. The S-Fest cars were decorated in the Chicago & Northwestern colors, but Tom also provided a number of unpainted shells for sale. It has been a surprise to me that these are not highly sought after. They allow one to make a complete American Flyer heavyweight train when painted either green or red to match the A.C. Gilbert combine/pullman/observation plus one can use the New Haven mail pick-up car and action baggage car at the head-end too. - Earl Henry, Nashville. In a message dated 3/29/2011 7:51:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, RIRocket@... writes: To clarify, I am referring to the AF 650/950 -series cars. I vaguely remember someone doing a 2-door baggage rendition. DJE ----- Original Message ----- From: David Engle To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Has anyone ever offered an all-coach version of the 6-wheel combine? DJE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64041	From: Jerry	Date: 3/30/2011
Subject: Re:

David, American HiRail (Tom Hodgson) made a full baggage car, cast in resin, in the style of the American Flyer heavyweights. It has two doors in each side, one of which is an PRO door with a cast in baggage hook. It's quite nicely done. If you can find one, I highly recommend it. The shell drops onto an original Flyer frame, or you can get one from Tom. His frame accepts the six wheel trucks. I have one of them on my "to do" list. You all know what that is.... a shelf of parts, kits, and projects that has the power to keep you busy for two lifetimes! The American HiRail car is the only one I can think of that matches what I think you're looking for. Jerry Poniatowski --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "David Engle" <RIRocket@...> wrote: > > To clarify, I am referring to the AF 650/950 -series cars. I vaguely remember someone doing a 2-door baggage rendition. DJE > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Engle > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 3:27 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] > > > Has anyone ever offered an all-coach version of the 6-wheel combine? DJE > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64043	From: Dave	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: "S" Tractor & Trailer Units

We are entering into a NEW AREA for our company. Within the next two weeks we will be offering on a limited basis the WORLD FAMOUS "PAZAN LINE" OF OVER THE ROAD "S" SCALE TRACTOR & TRAILER UNITS. These units, as everyone already knows, are a scale modelers dream come true. The "PAZAN LINE" of trucks has been in business for more than 30 years and are touted to be the very best "DIE CAST METAL VEHICLES" on the market. Our first offering will be a 35 Ft. "McLEAN" unit. For further info. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP. Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64044	From: michael prell	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: Help!

Hi, Gang! Where can I buy enamaled wire to replace field wire from an old 302 I'm attempting to restore. I'm playing with creating a jig to wind new wire onto the field using Erector parts and a dimmer switch to control motor speed. I'm shying away from re-usinf the old wire because of crimping. If need be I'd consider recycling the old wire but would prefer newer stuff. Also, if I were to use a bigger gauge wire, how would that effect operation. Any input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mike-S-notty-Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64045	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: Re: Help!

Try Radio Shack, or American Scientific , or any of the on line electronics places. What I found to be a good motor speed control is an old sewing machine foot pedal control. It frees your hands. You will need to add an outlet box or 120v plug on the end. Mike In a message dated 3/31/2011 10:06:46 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlprell@... writes: Hi, Gang! Where can I buy enamaled wire to replace field wire from an old 302 I'm attempting to restore. I'm playing with creating a jig to wind new wire onto the field using Erector parts and a dimmer switch to control motor speed. I'm shying away from re-usinf the old wire because of crimping. If need be I'd consider recycling the old wire but would prefer newer stuff. Also, if I were to use a bigger gauge wire, how would that effect operation. Any input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mike-S-notty-Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64046	From: rgeorge942	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: S guage Fastrack

Looks like Lionel will be producing S gauge fastrack.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64047	From: Robert Conner	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: Re: Help!

Why rewind it when you can get an already done or older ones that still work and save the labor.... Unless you just want to rewind one for fun.... Bob --- On Thu, 3/31/11, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Help! To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com, toytrains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 12:13 PM   Hi, Gang! Where can I buy enamaled wire to replace field wire from an old 302 I'm attempting to restore. I'm playing with creating a jig to wind new wire onto the field using Erector parts and a dimmer switch to control motor speed. I'm shying away from re-usinf the old wire because of crimping. If need be I'd consider recycling the old wire but would prefer newer stuff. Also, if I were to use a bigger gauge wire, how would that effect operation. Any input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mike-S-notty-Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64048	From: Timboy	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: Re: Help!

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: > > Hi, Gang! > Where can I buy enamaled wire to replace field wire from an old 302 I'm attempting to restore. > I'm playing with creating a jig to wind new wire onto the field using Erector parts and a dimmer switch to control motor speed. I'm shying away from re-usinf the old wire because of crimping. If need be I'd consider recycling the old wire but would prefer newer stuff. Also, if I were to use a bigger gauge wire, how would that effect operation. Any input will be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > Mike-S-notty-Prell Hi Mike: I recently did the very same rewind. I used magnet wire from Cellphone Shack; a slightly larger gauge. I rewound it by hand by clamping one end of the field in my vise. It went surprisingly quick and the motor now works great. I agree. I didn't want to reuse the 60+ year old magnet wire either, for the reason you mentioned and the fact that it was 60+ years old. I wouldn't hesitate to do the same thing again on another field if I needed to. However, I wouldn't even attempt an armature rewind. http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64049	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: Re: S guage Fastrack

Maybe. Size of Pre-order will probably determine that. Jim Lyle In a message dated 3/31/2011 2:09:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, RGeorge942@... writes: Looks like Lionel will be producing S gauge fastrack. ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64050	From: Timboy	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: A Loading Platform

Hi Everyone: There was a problem with my current RR. I could not unload anything on the upper rear tracks at Timboy Town without the cargo tumbling down the ledge and onto the lower tracks. I solved that problem by building a Loading Platform on the other side of the tracks. Here is a link to my blog, where I show what I built: http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64051	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: Re: Help!

Try searching Google for enameled wire. You can find anything using a search tool on the web. Mike From: anormal1@... Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 1:59 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Help! Try Radio Shack, or American Scientific , or any of the on line electronics places. What I found to be a good motor speed control is an old sewing machine foot pedal control. It frees your hands. You will need to add an outlet box or 120v plug on the end. Mike In a message dated 3/31/2011 10:06:46 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:mlprell%40yahoo.com writes: Hi, Gang! Where can I buy enamaled wire to replace field wire from an old 302 I'm attempting to restore. I'm playing with creating a jig to wind new wire onto the field using Erector parts and a dimmer switch to control motor speed. I'm shying away from re-usinf the old wire because of crimping. If need be I'd consider recycling the old wire but would prefer newer stuff. Also, if I were to use a bigger gauge wire, how would that effect operation. Any input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mike-S-notty-Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64052	From: Roy Inman	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: Re: S guage Fastrack

And I notice that it is a little more expensive than S-Helper. Roy on 3/31/11 12:20 PM, rgeorge942 at RGeorge942@... wrote: > > > > > > Looks like Lionel will be producing S gauge fastrack. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64053	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: Re: S guage Fastrack

I am going to reserve judgement UNTIL I see it, have my suspicians. Wondering IF it be at NTTM on April 13th. Jim Lyle In a message dated 3/31/2011 3:59:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rinphoto@... writes: And I notice that it is a little more expensive than S-Helper. Roy on 3/31/11 12:20 PM, rgeorge942 at RGeorge942@... wrote: > > > > > > Looks like Lionel will be producing S gauge fastrack. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64054	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: Re: S guage Fastrack

I WILL report IF I see it at NTTM. Jim Lyle In a message dated 3/31/2011 6:01:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, WJJIM@... writes: Wondering IF it be at NTTM on April 13th. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64055	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: Re: S guage Fastrack

Did anybody find the catalog on their site. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: rgeorge942 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 1:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S guage Fastrack Looks like Lionel will be producing S gauge fastrack. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64056	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: Re: S guage Fastrack

From: Alan Lambert � Lone Star Flyer Club � Arlington, Texas   Robert,   Here is what I did.  Go to  www. Lionel.com  . When the Page comes up you will see on the right sidewhere it say 2011 catalog . Click it and you should get the catalog. American Flyer is listed  near the end of the catalog. You will be suprised at what you see that will be NEW. thanks, Alan --- On Thu, 3/31/11, Robert A Persing <bobville@...> wrote: From: Robert A Persing <bobville@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S guage Fastrack To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 6:05 PM   Did anybody find the catalog on their site. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: rgeorge942 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 1:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S guage Fastrack Looks like Lionel will be producing S gauge fastrack. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64057	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: Re: S guage Fastrack

Another update. Click the blue highlighted Lionel.com and click 2011 signature Catalog. should get you there --- On Thu, 3/31/11, Alan Lambert <adlbert1950@...> wrote: From: Alan Lambert <adlbert1950@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S guage Fastrack To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 7:36 PM   From: Alan Lambert   Lone Star Flyer Club   Arlington, Texas   Robert,   Here is what I did.  Go to  www. Lionel.com  . When the Page comes up you will see on the right sidewhere it say 2011 catalog . Click it and you should get the catalog. American Flyer is listed  near the end of the catalog. You will be suprised at what you see that will be NEW. thanks, Alan --- On Thu, 3/31/11, Robert A Persing <bobville@...> wrote: From: Robert A Persing <bobville@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S guage Fastrack To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 6:05 PM   Did anybody find the catalog on their site. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: rgeorge942 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 1:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S guage Fastrack Looks like Lionel will be producing S gauge fastrack. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64058	From: s-nut	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: Updateto my last post

Go to www.Lionel.com or Lionel.com From there go down to Lionel Model Train Products. That is third listing down.That should bring up lionels home page. Go down to Brochures and catalogs. view catalogs, then click 2011 signiture edition. American Flyer is at the rear of the catalog. Lots of new stuff. Thanks, Alan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64059	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2011
Subject: Re: Help!

I sell good ones for $5, and have a lot of them....Steve In a message dated 3/31/2011 1:03:34 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, rcon7@... writes: Why rewind it when you can get an already done or older ones that still work and save the labor.... Unless you just want to rewind one for fun.... Bob --- On Thu, 3/31/11, michael prell <_mlprell@..._ (mailto:mlprell@...) > wrote: From: michael prell <_mlprell@..._ (mailto:mlprell@...) > Subject: [S-Trains] Help! To: _S-trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-trains@yahoogroups.com) , _toytrains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:toytrains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 12:13 PM Hi, Gang! Where can I buy enamaled wire to replace field wire from an old 302 I'm attempting to restore. I'm playing with creating a jig to wind new wire onto the field using Erector parts and a dimmer switch to control motor speed. I'm shying away from re-usinf the old wire because of crimping. If need be I'd consider recycling the old wire but would prefer newer stuff. Also, if I were to use a bigger gauge wire, how would that effect operation. Any input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mike-S-notty-Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64060	From: michael prell	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: Re: Help!

Bob, I;m doing it for the experience and to find out if I still have the patience. Plus if it works it would be cool! Mike.     Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 3/31/11, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Help! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 2:11 PM   Why rewind it when you can get an already done or older ones that still work and save the labor.... Unless you just want to rewind one for fun.... Bob --- On Thu, 3/31/11, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Help! To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com, toytrains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 12:13 PM   Hi, Gang! Where can I buy enamaled wire to replace field wire from an old 302 I'm attempting to restore. I'm playing with creating a jig to wind new wire onto the field using Erector parts and a dimmer switch to control motor speed. I'm shying away from re-usinf the old wire because of crimping. If need be I'd consider recycling the old wire but would prefer newer stuff. Also, if I were to use a bigger gauge wire, how would that effect operation. Any input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mike-S-notty-Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64061	From: michael prell	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: Re: Help!

Tim, A vise sounds good. Armature? No way, Man! Thanks for the advice! S-notty   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 3/31/11, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote: From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Help! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 3:18 PM   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: > > Hi, Gang! > Where can I buy enamaled wire to replace field wire from an old 302 I'm attempting to restore. > I'm playing with creating a jig to wind new wire onto the field using Erector parts and a dimmer switch to control motor speed. I'm shying away from re-usinf the old wire because of crimping. If need be I'd consider recycling the old wire but would prefer newer stuff. Also, if I were to use a bigger gauge wire, how would that effect operation. Any input will be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > Mike-S-notty-Prell Hi Mike: I recently did the very same rewind. I used magnet wire from Cellphone Shack; a slightly larger gauge. I rewound it by hand by clamping one end of the field in my vise. It went surprisingly quick and the motor now works great. I agree. I didn't want to reuse the 60+ year old magnet wire either, for the reason you mentioned and the fact that it was 60+ years old. I wouldn't hesitate to do the same thing again on another field if I needed to. However, I wouldn't even attempt an armature rewind. http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64062	From: michael prell	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: Re: Help!

I may take you up on your offer if this doesn't work! Thanks, S-notty   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Fri, 4/1/11, boss31@... <boss31@...> wrote: From: boss31@... <boss31@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Help! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 1, 2011, 1:00 AM   I sell good ones for $5, and have a lot of them....Steve In a message dated 3/31/2011 1:03:34 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, rcon7@... writes: Why rewind it when you can get an already done or older ones that still work and save the labor.... Unless you just want to rewind one for fun.... Bob --- On Thu, 3/31/11, michael prell <_mlprell@..._ (mailto:mlprell@...) > wrote: From: michael prell <_mlprell@..._ (mailto:mlprell@...) > Subject: [S-Trains] Help! To: _S-trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-trains@yahoogroups.com) , _toytrains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:toytrains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 12:13 PM Hi, Gang! Where can I buy enamaled wire to replace field wire from an old 302 I'm attempting to restore. I'm playing with creating a jig to wind new wire onto the field using Erector parts and a dimmer switch to control motor speed. I'm shying away from re-usinf the old wire because of crimping. If need be I'd consider recycling the old wire but would prefer newer stuff. Also, if I were to use a bigger gauge wire, how would that effect operation. Any input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mike-S-notty-Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64063	From: michael prell	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: Re: Help!

Do you think my Better Half woulg be upset if I were to use her sewing Machine foot pedel? Rehetorical? Yup. Thanks for the input. This is what I really enjoy about this group. S-notty   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 3/31/11, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Help! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 1:59 PM   Try Radio Shack, or American Scientific , or any of the on line electronics places. What I found to be a good motor speed control is an old sewing machine foot pedal control. It frees your hands. You will need to add an outlet box or 120v plug on the end. Mike In a message dated 3/31/2011 10:06:46 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlprell@... writes: Hi, Gang! Where can I buy enamaled wire to replace field wire from an old 302 I'm attempting to restore. I'm playing with creating a jig to wind new wire onto the field using Erector parts and a dimmer switch to control motor speed. I'm shying away from re-usinf the old wire because of crimping. If need be I'd consider recycling the old wire but would prefer newer stuff. Also, if I were to use a bigger gauge wire, how would that effect operation. Any input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mike-S-notty-Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64064	From: michael prell	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: Re: Help!

Thanks, Mike.   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 3/31/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Help! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 3:08 PM   Try searching Google for enameled wire. You can find anything using a search tool on the web. Mike From: anormal1@... Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 1:59 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Help! Try Radio Shack, or American Scientific , or any of the on line electronics places. What I found to be a good motor speed control is an old sewing machine foot pedal control. It frees your hands. You will need to add an outlet box or 120v plug on the end. Mike In a message dated 3/31/2011 10:06:46 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:mlprell%40yahoo.com writes: Hi, Gang! Where can I buy enamaled wire to replace field wire from an old 302 I'm attempting to restore. I'm playing with creating a jig to wind new wire onto the field using Erector parts and a dimmer switch to control motor speed. I'm shying away from re-usinf the old wire because of crimping. If need be I'd consider recycling the old wire but would prefer newer stuff. Also, if I were to use a bigger gauge wire, how would that effect operation. Any input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mike-S-notty-Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64065	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: new circus train

Has everyone seen the new circus train in the new Flyonel catalog? Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64066	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: Re: Help!

The sewing machine foot pedal has many uses. I use it for my Dremel tool. Mike In a message dated 4/1/2011 8:18:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlprell@... writes: Do you think my Better Half woulg be upset if I were to use her sewing Machine foot pedel? Rehetorical? Yup. Thanks for the input. This is what I really enjoy about this group. S-notty Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 3/31/11, _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) <_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) > wrote: From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) <_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Help! To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 1:59 PM Try Radio Shack, or American Scientific , or any of the on line electronics places. What I found to be a good motor speed control is an old sewing machine foot pedal control. It frees your hands. You will need to add an outlet box or 120v plug on the end. Mike In a message dated 3/31/2011 10:06:46 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _mlprell@..._ (mailto:mlprell@...) writes: Hi, Gang! Where can I buy enamaled wire to replace field wire from an old 302 I'm attempting to restore. I'm playing with creating a jig to wind new wire onto the field using Erector parts and a dimmer switch to control motor speed. I'm shying away from re-usinf the old wire because of crimping. If need be I'd consider recycling the old wire but would prefer newer stuff. Also, if I were to use a bigger gauge wire, how would that effect operation. Any input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mike-S-notty-Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64067	From: michael prell	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: Re: Help!

WOOF!   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Fri, 4/1/11, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Help! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 1, 2011, 11:22 AM   The sewing machine foot pedal has many uses. I use it for my Dremel tool. Mike In a message dated 4/1/2011 8:18:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlprell@... writes: Do you think my Better Half woulg be upset if I were to use her sewing Machine foot pedel? Rehetorical? Yup. Thanks for the input. This is what I really enjoy about this group. S-notty Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 3/31/11, _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) <_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) > wrote: From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) <_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Help! To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 1:59 PM Try Radio Shack, or American Scientific , or any of the on line electronics places. What I found to be a good motor speed control is an old sewing machine foot pedal control. It frees your hands. You will need to add an outlet box or 120v plug on the end. Mike In a message dated 3/31/2011 10:06:46 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _mlprell@..._ (mailto:mlprell@...) writes: Hi, Gang! Where can I buy enamaled wire to replace field wire from an old 302 I'm attempting to restore. I'm playing with creating a jig to wind new wire onto the field using Erector parts and a dimmer switch to control motor speed. I'm shying away from re-usinf the old wire because of crimping. If need be I'd consider recycling the old wire but would prefer newer stuff. Also, if I were to use a bigger gauge wire, how would that effect operation. Any input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mike-S-notty-Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64068	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: Re: Help! - Rewinding

Hi Bob, Back in my slot car days, I successfully rewound a lot of armatures. Generally speaking, we used fewer turns of thicker wire to get faster speeds. In fact, some guys got faster motors by just removing some turns and keeping the rest all the same. If a motor was rated at 12 volts with 34 or 36 gauge wire, it would be rated at 3 or 4 volts when we used 27 gauge. Those things really flew when we ran them on 12. Some of these motors ran very well for our 12-hour endurance races. After we had the wire in place, we applied warm epoxy to saturate the coils and hold things together at the accelerated revolutions. I did a little research, back then, to understand better. There is engineering involved and that means some arithmetic. At that time, official motor makers used specified lengths of wire for each pole. However, the engineering specs always referred to the diameter of the wire and the number of turns on each pole. I guess it was easier for the manufacturers to choose the length than the number of turns. All of this work was with permanent magnet, DC motors. If you are using a wire-wound field, universal motor, you need to consider the field winding as well. You need to decide what you are seeking. Use thicker wire to go faster, draw more current and make more heat. Use thinner wire to cram more turns onto the poles, go slower, get more torque, perhaps run more smoothly and draw less current. Some folks like to skew the armature plates a little to reduce the cogging effect. That can mean smoother operation and make it easier to obtain reliable slow speed running. I have not tried these things with trains. Many new trains come with motors that have those features already. Suitable magnet wire is available from Radio Shack: 278-1345 I had an enjoyable time rewinding for racing. You may well have a good time with your train motors, too. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of michael prell Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 10:37 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Help! Bob, I;m doing it for the experience and to find out if I still have the patience. Plus if it works it would be cool! Mike.     Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64069	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: Re: Help!

If the "other half has complaints about your confiscating errr appropriating it give hers back and go to a thrift store and find a cheap errr inexpensive machine and use that one or as a last resort contact the company and buy one. Tell the company you accidentally broke your other half's pedal. They don't need to know what it's actually going to be used for. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: anormal1@... Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 11:22:16 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Help! The sewing machine foot pedal has many uses. I use it for my Dremel tool. Mike In a message dated 4/1/2011 8:18:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlprell@... writes: Do you think my Better Half woulg be upset if I were to use her sewing Machine foot pedel? Rehetorical? Yup. Thanks for the input. This is what I really enjoy about this group. S-notty Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Thu, 3/31/11, _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) <_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) > wrote: From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) <_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Help! To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 1:59 PM Try Radio Shack, or American Scientific , or any of the on line electronics places. What I found to be a good motor speed control is an old sewing machine foot pedal control. It frees your hands. You will need to add an outlet box or 120v plug on the end. Mike In a message dated 3/31/2011 10:06:46 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _mlprell@..._ (mailto:mlprell@...) writes: Hi, Gang! Where can I buy enamaled wire to replace field wire from an old 302 I'm attempting to restore. I'm playing with creating a jig to wind new wire onto the field using Erector parts and a dimmer switch to control motor speed. I'm shying away from re-usinf the old wire because of crimping. If need be I'd consider recycling the old wire but would prefer newer stuff. Also, if I were to use a bigger gauge wire, how would that effect operation. Any input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mike-S-notty-Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64070	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: Re: Help!

On 4/1/2011 7:45 AM, michael prell wrote: > Do you think my Better Half would be upset if I were to use her sewing > Machine foot pedal? I have one that I bought from a surplus house many years ago that I use with my old Dremel tool and it's drill press attachment. Works great for starting slow with tiny bits when drilling on models. As for the magnet wire, many electronics places also carry it but I shop a lot at http://www.allelectronics.com which is a electronics surplus store. They have a lot of magnet wire in various gauges listed at http://tinyurl.com/3vu9rpv I've actually rewound transformers to get different voltages. If you know the original specs, it's easy to do. I've rewound various coils in original AF accessories with great success. Just take your time, count the number of old turns and it usually works out well. I use a caliper to measure the original diameter of the wire then use a chart like this: http://amasci.com/tesla/wire1.html to translate the diameter back into the appropriate wire gauge. Would I do an armature? Probably not! :-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64071	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: New Flyer Stuff

http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/380112e3?page=125#/380112e3/125 Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64072	From: John M	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: Universal motor

I feel kind of dumb asking what appears to be fairly obvious but... I'm in the process of building my next layout and I want it to operate on DC. Will the locomotives that have a "universal" motor operate successfully or will I need to install can motors in all non-DC units? Working on it! Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64073	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: full title

The full title of the catalog is: THE LIONEL 2011 SIGNATURE EDITION CATALOG Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64074	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor

They will work fine if you install a rectifier from Radio Shack in the tender and wire it correctly. I do not have a diagrams or specs with me. At one time I had an S magazine that gave details of the size rectifier and how to wire it, but that is long gone from my stuff. It is something like this. Connect two wires from the tender trucks to opposite sides of the rectifier. Connect wires from the other two sides of the rectifier to the outer two (of four) slots for electrical plugs behind the locomotive. Then connect a very short wire connecting the two inner (of four) slots for the electrical plugs. The rectifier will be hidden inside the tender shell. This is how I converted steamers that had the four prong connectors from the tender to the locomotive. Obviously it is a little different if your steamer is wired directly from tender to loco. But the same principles apply. I have never done a diesel but I doubt that it is very hard if you can find a place to hide the rectifier. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 4/1/2011 6:10:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, macflyer@... writes: I feel kind of dumb asking what appears to be fairly obvious but... I'm in the process of building my next layout and I want it to operate on DC. Will the locomotives that have a "universal" motor operate successfully or will I need to install can motors in all non-DC units? Working on it! Mac [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64075	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor

Hi Mac, Not obvious at all. It is true that your universal powered locos will run fine on DC. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John M Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 5:22 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Universal motor I feel kind of dumb asking what appears to be fairly obvious but... I'm in the process of building my next layout and I want it to operate on DC. Will the locomotives that have a "universal" motor operate successfully or will I need to install can motors in all non-DC units? Working on it! Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64076	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/1/2011
Subject: Universal motor

If you want to keep your trains 100% original, read no further. I am not a collector, I rebuild junk box finds to run Hi-rail display layouts where reliable operation for hours and hours is paramount, not collectability. Since I have done much more "model railroading" on DC power than "toy trains" on AC, I find running DC to be a lot simpler, with no "forward-neutral-reverse" shifting required. DC can motors run cooler and draw less power than the old motors, and there is no troublesome reverse unit to deal with and no rectifiers need be added to run straight DC power. It's a simpler system and works just fine. Stumpy Stone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64077	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/2/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor

Hi Mac, I guess I missed some of the point. Do you want to just run with DC or do you want to change direction by switching the polarity? The rectifier answer and the can motor answer are correct if you want to switch polarity to change direction. No mods and it all just works if you only want to use DC as the power source. What's your pleasure? Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John M Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 5:22 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Universal motor I feel kind of dumb asking what appears to be fairly obvious but... I'm in the process of building my next layout and I want it to operate on DC. Will the locomotives that have a "universal" motor operate successfully or will I need to install can motors in all non-DC units? Working on it! Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64078	From: Jens	Date: 4/2/2011
Subject: FS Marx Vintage Tin Train Set and Lionel Flyer Items

FS Marx Vintage Tin Train Set and Lionel Flyer Items Hi Guys, thanks for the invitation and the ok from the moderator to offer the few items I have to your cool group. i have to sell: Lionel American Flyer Trains S Gauge #6-48421 Philadelphia Quartz #807 Single Dome Tank $28 NEW 2 x Lionel American Flyer Trains S Gauge #6-48548 Pennsylvania #480078 Flat Car w/Piggyback Trailers $28 NEW Lionel American Flyer Trains S Gauge #6-48555 Reading #9310 Flat Car w/Wheel Load $26 NEW Lionel American Flyer Trains S Gauge #6-48550 Great Northern #X48850 Depressed Center Service Car $29 NEW VINTAGE MARX TIN TRAIN SET PREWAR? Engine, Tender, Key, Tank Car, Reefer and Track $59 Frenchman River Model Works S Scale Resin Companion Way - Set of 2 (1163) $4 2 x Life-Like Trains "SceneMaster" S/O Railroad Signals: Set of 8 (1706) $5 All items + shipping, contact me for pictures if you need. Item are brand new, boxes do have minor wear from storage. I ship USPS I am located in LA I prefere Moneyorder, Bank Transfer or Check but take also Paypal etc. Thanks Jens Kinne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64079	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 4/2/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John M" <macflyer@...> wrote: > > I feel kind of dumb asking what appears to be fairly obvious but... I'm in the process of building my next layout and I want it to operate on DC. Will the locomotives that have a "universal" motor operate successfully or will I need to install can motors in all non-DC units? > > Working on it! > Mac > Hi all Am new to this "Flyer" thing and have wondered about this as well. I contacted "Timko" and he offers a screw on replacement DC motor. "Tracks Ahead" episode 504 shows a guy who took a different route using a silicone diode rectifier with the AC motor left intact. You can see the part # on the rectifier he used and the narrator says the trains do run cooler, quieter and with more power. I'm assuming that if one runs DC that the smoke unit will still function properly (?)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64080	From: Timboy	Date: 4/2/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor

Hi, I guess I should chime in on this since I've pretty much done just about anything worth doing with American Flyer trains, to include rehabbing back to classic, kitbashing, DC conversions, DCC conversions, super-detailing, repainting to prototype, etc. One thing to keep in mind is that a DC can motor will operate more efficiently and require less voltage. Less volts to the can motor = less volts to the smoke unit = less smoke. I don't know of anyone who wants less smoke out of a vintage Flyer smoke box. 1/2 speed DC can motors will enable the operator to enjoy as much or more smoke than using vintage open-frame motors. But the last time I checked, the 1/2 speed can motors don't have a flywheel. A flywheel promotes smoother starts and rolling stops. An electronic reverse unit could even that out, but they are pricey, IMHO. If you have any inkling of eventually converting your vintage Flyer locos to DCC, then I would suggest starting off with DC can motors of your liking. My blog site: http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64081	From: clayton	Date: 4/2/2011
Subject: Q &A time...

Hi, what I'm looking for is a list of part numbers with the part name in order of the first PA numbers. Do any of you know if this is out in print? I like to pick up new old stock in the old AC Gilbert envelopes to add to my on going pile of parts. The one that I just picked up off of Ebay is # P13AO8O and it's name is adapter plate. Do any of you know what this goes on? I was also thinking of making the list my self, but why do this if someone has put one together. This list would be some job, and I may not get all of the numbers down the first try at making this list. Thanks be to the computer, and the big help that will be if I need to do this my self. Now that I'm thinking about it a photo would be nice to go a long with each part too. Tom S. do you have this list? Clayton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64082	From: Ben	Date: 4/2/2011
Subject: Talking Station and DC

So I added DC capability to my layout using rectifiers. I have converted two locos to DC (a 290 and a 353). Both run great! Had some trouble with crossing signals and original track trips. I got that ironed out. Only problem I seem to be having is with the Talking Station. It will not work with a DC converted train in DC- the isolated track section has issues. So I tried to wire it up as described in Barker's book, page 44. It appears the only difference between the AC and DC wiring is that the red wire runs to the base transformer post on the AC wiring diagram and to the base track terminal right before the isolated section in DC. Wiring it that way does allow the train to run unaffected through the isolated track section, but when one pushes the button to operate the station, the train slows and gets erratic. As a matter of fact, unless one holds the button down, the station does not continue to operate, and then when the train finally starts out, it is erratic until the record stops playing. Any ideas? I am set to operate well again, I just know I cannot operate the station in DC mode.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64083	From: Timboy	Date: 4/2/2011
Subject: Re: Talking Station and DC

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote: > > So I added DC capability to my layout using rectifiers. I have converted two locos to DC (a 290 and a 353). Both run great! Had some trouble with crossing signals and original track trips. I got that ironed out. > > Only problem I seem to be having is with the Talking Station. It will not work with a DC converted train in DC- the isolated track section has issues. So I tried to wire it up as described in Barker's book, page 44. It appears the only difference between the AC and DC wiring is that the red wire runs to the base transformer post on the AC wiring diagram and to the base track terminal right before the isolated section in DC. > > Wiring it that way does allow the train to run unaffected through the isolated track section, but when one pushes the button to operate the station, the train slows and gets erratic. As a matter of fact, unless one holds the button down, the station does not continue to operate, and then when the train finally starts out, it is erratic until the record stops playing. > > Any ideas? I am set to operate well again, I just know I cannot operate the station in DC mode. > Hi, One solution would be to disconnect the wire from the Station to the track and manually stop the train when it is beside the Station. That's what I always do. Then run the Station off a dedicated transformer and keep it on AC, since it doesn't connect to the track anyway in the method I am describing. Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64084	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 4/2/2011
Subject: Re: Talking Station and DC

All, An easy fix is to use a relay. Since the Talking Station requires AC, one can take the lead that normally would go to the track and use it to drive the coil of an AC relay. (Or, one can use a DC relay by placing a 1N400X type diode in series with the coil and a suitable capacitor across the coil.) The DC required for the isolated section of track can then be switched through the contacts on the relay. (NOTE: the designation of a relay for operation on AC vice DC refers to the coil on the relay. The coil of an AC relay contains a special shunt to allow it to operate properly on AC. The contacts on either relay can be used for switching AC or DC.) If anyone is interested (and if I can free up some time), I'll try to locate an appropriate relay. Jerry F. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Timboy Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:41 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Talking Station and DC --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote: > > So I added DC capability to my layout using rectifiers. I have converted two locos to DC (a 290 and a 353). Both run great! Had some trouble with crossing signals and original track trips. I got that ironed out. > > Only problem I seem to be having is with the Talking Station. It will not work with a DC converted train in DC- the isolated track section has issues. So I tried to wire it up as described in Barker's book, page 44. It appears the only difference between the AC and DC wiring is that the red wire runs to the base transformer post on the AC wiring diagram and to the base track terminal right before the isolated section in DC. > > Wiring it that way does allow the train to run unaffected through the isolated track section, but when one pushes the button to operate the station, the train slows and gets erratic. As a matter of fact, unless one holds the button down, the station does not continue to operate, and then when the train finally starts out, it is erratic until the record stops playing. > > Any ideas? I am set to operate well again, I just know I cannot operate the station in DC mode. > Hi, One solution would be to disconnect the wire from the Station to the track and manually stop the train when it is beside the Station. That's what I always do. Then run the Station off a dedicated transformer and keep it on AC, since it doesn't connect to the track anyway in the method I am describing. Regards, Timboy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64085	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 4/2/2011
Subject: Re: Q &A time...

Hello, Greenberg's American Flyer Numerical Parts List. By Ernst. Wullenweber,Jr. Copy Right 1985.  Mark  --- On Sat, 4/2/11, clayton <uvl97222@...> wrote: From: clayton <uvl97222@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Q &A time... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 1:00 PM   Hi, what I'm looking for is a list of part numbers with the part name in order of the first PA numbers. Do any of you know if this is out in print? I like to pick up new old stock in the old AC Gilbert envelopes to add to my on going pile of parts. The one that I just picked up off of Ebay is # P13AO8O and it's name is adapter plate. Do any of you know what this goes on? I was also thinking of making the list my self, but why do this if someone has put one together. This list would be some job, and I may not get all of the numbers down the first try at making this list. Thanks be to the computer, and the big help that will be if I need to do this my self. Now that I'm thinking about it a photo would be nice to go a long with each part too. Tom S. do you have this list? Clayton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64086	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/2/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor

4 amp--50 volt will work nicely. Jim Lyle In a message dated 4/1/2011 8:18:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tennsgauge@... writes: They will work fine if you install a rectifier from Radio Shack in the tender and wire it correctly. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64087	From: Ben	Date: 4/2/2011
Subject: Re: new circus train

The circus train is my weakness. I had to save up for S-Helper's version. Now I need to decide if I need to save up for this one or just get the RBBB extra boxcar. I really love circus trains!! Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote: > > Has everyone seen the new circus train in the new Flyonel catalog? > > Jack > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64088	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/2/2011
Subject: Re: Q &A time...

Hi Clayton, I am working on a book at this time. Should be ready in two to three weeks. I must get a copyright. My book will be much more extensive than the Greenberg Book. In addition to the part numbers, I put the application next to the part number and I put the screw sizes next to the screw part numbers. I also added the part numbers in numerical order for HO & O Gauges. Over 30 years of research for this book. P-13A080 Adapter Plate goes with P-13A037 HO Coupler and P-13A147 Eyelet to attach the coupler to HO trucks. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: clayton <uvl97222@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 1:00:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Q &A time... Hi, what I'm looking for is a list of part numbers with the part name in order of the first PA numbers. Do any of you know if this is out in print? I like to pick up new old stock in the old AC Gilbert envelopes to add to my on going pile of parts. The one that I just picked up off of Ebay is # P13AO8O and it's name is adapter plate. Do any of you know what this goes on? I was also thinking of making the list my self, but why do this if someone has put one together. This list would be some job, and I may not get all of the numbers down the first try at making this list. Thanks be to the computer, and the big help that will be if I need to do this my self. Now that I'm thinking about it a photo would be nice to go a long with each part too. Tom S. do you have this list? Clayton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64089	From: Ken	Date: 4/3/2011
Subject: Repair worn truck journals

I seem to remember reading posts on how to bush the axle holes but cannot find in my saved AF file. I have the 307 engine now running and seem to have sparking around the Tender's wheels. Any help is appreciated. Ken Christiansen Broker Associate 551 N. Mulford Rd. Rockford, IL 61107 Cell: 815-218-3957 email: <mailto:klchris@...> klchris@... efax: 815-231-8032 Web: <http://www.starckrealtors.com/> www.starckrealtors.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64090	From: Ben	Date: 4/3/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor

I very recently added in the rectifiers to operate some of my equipment on DC. I am loving it! I can now run with enjoyment some engines that flustered me for years with their sucky, sticky e-units! Do the trains run cooler on DC? Definitely yes. Smoother? A toss up. More reliably? Oh yes! I have my eyes on the next locos to be converted...a 322 Hudson for sure that has a sticky e-unit. This fixes it! It is cheap enough to do- and very easy to change back to stock if desired. Go for it!! Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John M" <macflyer@...> wrote: > > I feel kind of dumb asking what appears to be fairly obvious but... I'm in the process of building my next layout and I want it to operate on DC. Will the locomotives that have a "universal" motor operate successfully or will I need to install can motors in all non-DC units? > > Working on it! > Mac >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64091	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 4/3/2011
Subject: Re: Repair worn truck journals

Like the comment on sticky e units in the universal motor thread I believe the cause of your sparking is misplaced. In both cases I would bet that the metal tender wheels need skimming with wet and dry or sandpaper to remove the copper oxide and whilst the axles are out, the brass pickup strips need to be filed, sanded or scotchbrited (depending on wear) to remove the muck and oxide where they rub on the axels. They also need to be bent up slightly to regain plenty of tension on the axels. This area is the cause of more sticky and faulty operation of locos than is usually given credit for. The 307 tender is not usually a rebushing problem - it is usually only the heavy diecast Hudson and Northern tender trucks that are a wear problem resulting in shorts. Alistair On Sun 03/04/11 4:54 PM , "Ken" klchris@... sent: I seem to remember reading posts on how to bush the axle holes but cannot find in my saved AF file. I have the 307 engine now running and seem to have sparking around the Tender's wheels. Any help is appreciated. Ken Christiansen Broker Associate 551 N. Mulford Rd. Rockford, IL 61107 Cell: 815-218-3957 email: Recent Activity: *New Members 3 Visit Your Group Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [7] Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use . ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:klchris@... [2] mailto:klchris@... [3] http://www.starckrealtors.com/ [4] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20Repair%20worn%20truck%20journals [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvM3JkMW45BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NDA4OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMDE4MzEyNzY-?act=reply&messageNum=64089 [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/64089;_ylc=X3oDMTM0aTZjc3VmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NDA4OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMDE4MzEyNzYEdHBjSWQDNjQwODk- [7] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64092	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/3/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor

Hi Ben, I have some GE #1446 12 Volt Screw Base bulbs if you want the light to be brighter on your steam locos. #1449 14 Volt bulbs may be somewhat dimmer than these 12 volt bulbs. If you're interested in these, please contact me seccia@.... Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Ben <lbstiles@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, April 3, 2011 8:49:21 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Universal motor I very recently added in the rectifiers to operate some of my equipment on DC. I am loving it! I can now run with enjoyment some engines that flustered me for years with their sucky, sticky e-units! Do the trains run cooler on DC? Definitely yes. Smoother? A toss up. More reliably? Oh yes! I have my eyes on the next locos to be converted...a 322 Hudson for sure that has a sticky e-unit. This fixes it! It is cheap enough to do- and very easy to change back to stock if desired. Go for it!! Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John M" <macflyer@...> wrote: > > I feel kind of dumb asking what appears to be fairly obvious but... I'm in the >process of building my next layout and I want it to operate on DC. Will the >locomotives that have a "universal" motor operate successfully or will I need to >install can motors in all non-DC units? > > Working on it! > Mac > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64093	From: Tony Gervasio	Date: 4/3/2011
Subject: Re: new circus train

I have!  And I'm liking it.   Glad to see that Lionel is looking toward new items that complement what's been produced before.  I'm also excited about seeing the American Flyer Fastrack. Tony Gervasio Tulsa OK ________________________________ From: Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> To: s-trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 8:15:10 AM Subject: [S-Trains] new circus train   Has everyone seen the new circus train in the new Flyonel catalog? Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64094	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/3/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/3/2011, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 64095	From: richs009	Date: 4/3/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor

Ben (or anyone else) -- I've been considering doing the same thing - how do you handle reversing the loco - assuming you are still supplying track power AC and the rectifiers are installed in each loco? A related question - one I should know the answer to but don't off hand - are the motors used in the various diesels also universal? If so, then presumably the same rectifiers trick will work there too (?) thanks, Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote: > > I very recently added in the rectifiers to operate some of my equipment on DC. I am loving it! I can now run with enjoyment some engines that flustered me for years with their sucky, sticky e-units! > > Do the trains run cooler on DC? Definitely yes. Smoother? A toss up. More reliably? Oh yes! I have my eyes on the next locos to be converted...a 322 Hudson for sure that has a sticky e-unit. This fixes it! > > It is cheap enough to do- and very easy to change back to stock if desired. Go for it!! > > Ben > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John M" <macflyer@> wrote: > > > > I feel kind of dumb asking what appears to be fairly obvious but... I'm in the process of building my next layout and I want it to operate on DC. Will the locomotives that have a "universal" motor operate successfully or will I need to install can motors in all non-DC units? > > > > Working on it! > > Mac > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64096	From: Eric	Date: 4/3/2011
Subject: SHS Cars for Sale

I have 4 S helper cars up for quick sale. 1. Pennsylvania Hopper 2 bay 257862 light gray, with box, very slightly used 2. Pennsylvania Hopper 2 bay 257781 off white with box, very slightly used 3. Pennsylvania Hopper 2 bay 257701 off white with box, very slightly used 4. Frisco Box Car 128046 biege sides bfown top and ends, from 3 car set, no box. New, not run. These are all high rail with knuckles, if you need the scale wheels, I have enough and will trade them out. All 4 shipped to USA $125, 3 hoppers only shipped USA $105, Box car only shipped USA $40. Pay Pal preferred, I can take a check if you are quick (leaving town late next week for a week.) Thanks, Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. 98036 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64097	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/3/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor

You must use DC power if you convert the motors. The direction of the power from the DC power pack (or the transformer with power run to the track through a rectifier) will control the direction of the locomotive. This is one of the benefits of converting the DC. You can run multiple locomotives together and they all respond the same direction regardless of whether you are going forward or backwards. And the operation is so smooooooth. No jerky starts and stops. This discussion has been about converting AF locomotives. But even better is running AM or SHS diesels on DC power. I have run 4 and 5 AM FP7 and or FA/FBs together using a single N gauge DC power pack. This is because the only DC power I had when my first diesels arrived was this N gajuge power pack. I tried it and could hardly believe it could power so many diesels together. But the AM and SHS diesels do not require nearly the power of an American Flyer diesel or steam loco. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 4/3/2011 5:08:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, richs009@... writes: Ben (or anyone else) -- I've been considering doing the same thing - how do you handle reversing the loco - assuming you are still supplying track power AC and the rectifiers are installed in each loco? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64098	From: lember2004	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: Q &A time... and Copyright

Tom, I'm not a lawyer, but I recall that copyright is automatic when you create the book - no forms or filings necessary - and you can use "(c)your name, year" on it. For more formal and greater protection, you can file with the US Copyright Office. Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi Clayton, > I am working on a book at this time. Should be > ready in two to three weeks. I must get a copyright. My book will be much more > extensive than the Greenberg Book. In addition to the part numbers, I put the > application next to the part number and I put the screw sizes next to the screw > part numbers. I also added the part numbers in numerical order for HO & O > Gauges. Over 30 years of research for this book. P-13A080 Adapter Plate goes > with P-13A037 HO Coupler and P-13A147 Eyelet to attach the coupler to HO trucks. > > Tom Seccia > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: clayton <uvl97222@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 1:00:37 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Q &A time... > > > Hi, what I'm looking for is a list of part numbers with the part name in order > of the first PA numbers. Do any of you know if this is out in print? > > > I like to pick up new old stock in the old AC Gilbert envelopes to add to my on > going pile of parts. The one that I just picked up off of Ebay is # P13AO8O and > it's name is adapter plate. Do any of you know what this goes on? I was also > thinking of making the list my self, but why do this if someone has put one > together. This list would be some job, and I may not get all of the numbers down > the first try at making this list. Thanks be to the computer, and the big help > that will be if I need to do this my self. Now that I'm thinking about it a > photo would be nice to go a long with each part too. > > Tom S. do you have this list? > > Clayton > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64099	From: Ben	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier heat

The diesel motors should be universal as well. Lynn's Uncle David ran all DC on his boyhood layout in the '50s with DC field magnets and old AC Gilbert rectifiers. NEW QUESTION- when the rectifiers become warm/hot, will it require more power to keep the trains running? I was running my circus engine with fresh rectifier mods last night for about an hour and suddenly it just stopped. No short, no blown fuses...just stopped. So I tapped it and it went. I throttled up a bit and she ran fine again. I felt the rectifier between the tranny and track and it was quite warm. Connection? Thanks! Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "richs009" <richs009@...> wrote: > > Ben (or anyone else) -- I've been considering doing the same thing - how do you handle reversing the loco - assuming you are still supplying track power AC and the rectifiers are installed in each loco? > > A related question - one I should know the answer to but don't off hand - are the motors used in the various diesels also universal? If so, then presumably the same rectifiers trick will work there too (?) > > thanks, > > Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@> wrote: > > > > I very recently added in the rectifiers to operate some of my equipment on DC. I am loving it! I can now run with enjoyment some engines that flustered me for years with their sucky, sticky e-units! > > > > Do the trains run cooler on DC? Definitely yes. Smoother? A toss up. More reliably? Oh yes! I have my eyes on the next locos to be converted...a 322 Hudson for sure that has a sticky e-unit. This fixes it! > > > > It is cheap enough to do- and very easy to change back to stock if desired. Go for it!! > > > > Ben > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John M" <macflyer@> wrote: > > > > > > I feel kind of dumb asking what appears to be fairly obvious but... I'm in the process of building my next layout and I want it to operate on DC. Will the locomotives that have a "universal" motor operate successfully or will I need to install can motors in all non-DC units? > > > > > > Working on it! > > > Mac > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64100	From: Ben	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor

Yes..you need to wire an DPDT toggle switch into the works to control direction. Many good wiring diagrams are online...just type in "American Flyer trains and DC operation." Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > You must use DC power if you convert the motors. The direction of the > power from the DC power pack (or the transformer with power run to the track > through a rectifier) will control the direction of the locomotive. This is > one of the benefits of converting the DC. You can run multiple locomotives > together and they all respond the same direction regardless of whether you > are going forward or backwards. And the operation is so smooooooth. No > jerky starts and stops. > > This discussion has been about converting AF locomotives. But even better > is running AM or SHS diesels on DC power. I have run 4 and 5 AM FP7 and > or FA/FBs together using a single N gauge DC power pack. This is because > the only DC power I had when my first diesels arrived was this N gajuge power > pack. I tried it and could hardly believe it could power so many diesels > together. But the AM and SHS diesels do not require nearly the power of an > American Flyer diesel or steam loco. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > > In a message dated 4/3/2011 5:08:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > richs009@... writes: > > Ben (or anyone else) -- I've been considering doing the same thing - how > do you handle reversing the loco - assuming you are still supplying track > power AC and the rectifiers are installed in each loco? > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64101	From: Carey Probst	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier heat

That's what rectifiers do, direct the + pulses of AC to one side and the - side to the other. The result is generating some heat due to the resistance of the diodes in the rectifier. A full wave bridge rectifier is basically a set of diodes prewired. It is also used to control field polarity so it is constant while the polarity to the armature changes with track polarity. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 4/4/2011 9:55 AM, Ben wrote: > > The diesel motors should be universal as well. Lynn's Uncle David ran > all DC on his boyhood layout in the '50s with DC field magnets and old > AC Gilbert rectifiers. > > NEW QUESTION- when the rectifiers become warm/hot, will it require > more power to keep the trains running? I was running my circus engine > with fresh rectifier mods last night for about an hour and suddenly it > just stopped. No short, no blown fuses...just stopped. So I tapped it > and it went. I throttled up a bit and she ran fine again. I felt the > rectifier between the tranny and track and it was quite warm. > > Connection? Thanks! > > Ben > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "richs009" <richs009@...> wrote: > > > > Ben (or anyone else) -- I've been considering doing the same thing - > how do you handle reversing the loco - assuming you are still > supplying track power AC and the rectifiers are installed in each loco? > > > > A related question - one I should know the answer to but don't off > hand - are the motors used in the various diesels also universal? If > so, then presumably the same rectifiers trick will work there too (?) > > > > thanks, > > > > Rich > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Ben" <lbstiles@> wrote: > > > > > > I very recently added in the rectifiers to operate some of my > equipment on DC. I am loving it! I can now run with enjoyment some > engines that flustered me for years with their sucky, sticky e-units! > > > > > > Do the trains run cooler on DC? Definitely yes. Smoother? A toss > up. More reliably? Oh yes! I have my eyes on the next locos to be > converted...a 322 Hudson for sure that has a sticky e-unit. This fixes it! > > > > > > It is cheap enough to do- and very easy to change back to stock if > desired. Go for it!! > > > > > > Ben > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, "John M" <macflyer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I feel kind of dumb asking what appears to be fairly obvious > but... I'm in the process of building my next layout and I want it to > operate on DC. Will the locomotives that have a "universal" motor > operate successfully or will I need to install can motors in all > non-DC units? > > > > > > > > Working on it! > > > > Mac > > > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64102	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...

What value is the rectifier--s/b at least 4 Amp, 50 volts min. May need a "heat sink". Jim Lyle In a message dated 4/4/2011 9:57:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lbstiles@... writes: I felt the rectifier between the tranny and track and it was quite warm. Connection? Thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64103	From: SMMW	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: For sale: S scale pilot models

The H10-44 pilot model pictured in the kit instructions is for sale. Except for the cab-end pilot railing and posts, it is built and ready for paint. Clear window and headlight inserts are included (separately). Mechanism uses SHS AAR gear boxes with my sideframes and code 110 wheelsets (Hi-Rail wheelsets can be included if desired). Price is $435 + $15 shipping east of the Mississippi R. or $20 west of the Miss. The GE 70t pilot model is also for sale. This is complete and ready for paint (clear window/HL inserts are separate). $395 + same shipping options as above. Contact me off-list with questions, to order, etc. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. Ph. (828) 777-5619 <www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64104	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Copyright

When I did the drawings for a series of silk screened shirts back in 1990, I was told by an attorney involved in the project to fill out the required Copyright forms so that I would own the art work. I have done it for two novels being considered for publication as well, even though some publishers don't like for you to do this. Copyrighting with the government is cheap and legally foolproof. DO IT! I think you can still order the forms through the Post Office, or go online and hunt down the site for the Copyright and Patent Department under United States Government. The only other thing that might hold up in court (it has in a few cases I know of) is to print a copy of the material, date stamp it, put it in a box or large envelope and mail it to yourself well before you submit it for publication or use. DO NOT OPEN THE PACKAGE WHEN YOU RECIEVE IT! Stash it away in case you have to go to court and prove that you wrote the material first by producing the unopened, Postal Service dated, copy. It doesn't always work, but it does give you a leg to stand on. You will of course have to pay for an attorney and fight it out in court, where the government will have record of your Copyright filing to remove all doubt. Stumpy Stone Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64105	From: Ben	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...

Hi Jim- I had those ratings with me when I bought the supplies at Radio Shack. The units are rated heavy enough on amps and voltage. How would I go about heat sinking the rectifiers? They are just kinda hanging under the control panel right now- permanent installation will ensue. I wanted to be sure things would work. Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > What value is the rectifier--s/b at least 4 Amp, 50 volts min. May need a > "heat sink". > > Jim Lyle > > > In a message dated 4/4/2011 9:57:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > lbstiles@... writes: > > I felt the rectifier between the tranny and track and it was quite warm. > > Connection? Thanks > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64106	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: RE;Universal Motor DC experts chime in

There are all kinds of complicated ways to make American Flyer run on DC power, and you can use them if you must keep your trains original. However, if you just want to run trains, I'm still of the opinion that there is no simpler, cheaper, or more reliable way of running on DC than to install a DC can motor and take out the problematic reverse unit. Just run off a large DC power pack and change direction at the flip of a switch. It will run smoother and cooler and live longer. As to the Gilbert "Universal" motor, I'm certainly no electrical engineer, but something doesn't seem right to me. Maybe someone can explain? Going back to the earliest days of commercial electricity, Thomas Edison was using Direct Current for everything. Then along came Nickola Tesla who created Alternating Current. The advantage was that AC could be transmitted over much longer distances for less loss. Tesla invented AC motors, generators, and a whole group of other devices to use his AC power. Westinghouse purchased first the rights to manufacture these devices, and later the patents. He used them to build the Niagra Power Station and beginning the building the electreical system we call "the Grid" today. I guess what I don't understand is why Tesla had to invent an AC motor if there is really such a thing as a "Universal" motor? He was certainly no idiot! If you are required to use a rectifier with it, how is the motor itself "Universal?" Or was that just a Gilbert advertising thing to illustrate that you could make the same train run off either current with the right additional equipment? My 332 WILL run on DC power, but very poorly, so the "Universal" motor is going to get a DC can motor when I get around to it. Stumpy Stone...wondering in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64107	From: afironhorse	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: SIT diagram and parts list

Can someone let me know if there is a Smoke-in-tender diagram and parts list on the web that I could look at or send me a copy? I would greatly appreciate it. Also, can a AF HO SIT work in a AF "S" tender?? Thanks David New Orleans La.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64108	From: Ben	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: RE;Universal Motor DC experts chime in

Hi Stumpy- I have four or five of the DC can motors. I will get them installed into something sooner or later. The "universal" motors still unmolested on the majority my original equipment (those not currently "rectified") run just fine on AC or DC power through the rails. Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > There are all kinds of complicated ways to make American Flyer run on DC power, and you can use them if you must keep your trains original. > However, if you just want to run trains, I'm still of the opinion that there is no simpler, cheaper, or more reliable way of running on DC than to install a DC can motor and take out the problematic reverse unit. Just run off a large DC power pack and change direction at the flip of a switch. It will run smoother and cooler and live longer. > As to the Gilbert "Universal" motor, I'm certainly no electrical engineer, but something doesn't seem right to me. Maybe someone can explain? > Going back to the earliest days of commercial electricity, Thomas Edison was using Direct Current for everything. Then along came Nickola Tesla who created Alternating Current. The advantage was that AC could be transmitted over much longer distances for less loss. Tesla invented AC motors, generators, and a whole group of other devices to use his AC power. Westinghouse purchased first the rights to manufacture these devices, and later the patents. He used them to build the Niagra Power Station and beginning the building the electreical system we call "the Grid" today. > I guess what I don't understand is why Tesla had to invent an AC motor if there is really such a thing as a "Universal" motor? He was certainly no idiot! > If you are required to use a rectifier with it, how is the motor itself "Universal?" Or was that just a Gilbert advertising thing to illustrate that you could make the same train run off either current with the right additional equipment? > My 332 WILL run on DC power, but very poorly, so the "Universal" motor is going to get a DC can motor when I get around to it. > Stumpy Stone...wondering in Appalachia. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64109	From: John F. Rodgers	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: Q &A time... and Copyright

To get full protection. Download and file this form with the Copyright Office. http://www.copyright.gov/forms/formtx.pdf John Rodgers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64110	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Universal motor clarification.

Maybe this will clear this controversy up. Gilbert "universal" motors will run just fine on either AC or DC and NOTHING is needed other than a power supply with enough current availability to handle the motor. The drum type reverse unit operates the same with either power supply. Since most power supplies in DC are 1 amp or less and the current need of the Gilbert motors is 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 amps there is a problem. MRC makes some powerful DC supplies that are more than adequate. BUT....just because DC will run it all doesn't make the sticky drum type reverse unit run any better. If one really wants smooth trouble free operation a DC can motor and DC power supply is the best option. The second best option is a DC can motor and an electronic reverse unit that changes the AC from the transformer to DC for the motor. Steve...SnS Trains....Boise. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64111	From: Dave	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: PAZAN Old Motor Trucks Are Here

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 64112	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: RE;Universal Motor DC experts chime in

Stumpy you may find the answers in this link. Note that it was the synchronous motor that Tesla invented. The universal motor was in fact the one Edison used because large powerful magnets were not available at the time. The link to explanations is - http://www.howeverythingworks.org/supplements/electric_motors.pdf [1] Alistair On Tue 05/04/11 3:20 AM , "mrstumpy50" mrstumpy@... sent: There are all kinds of complicated ways to make American Flyer run on DC power, and you can use them if you must keep your trains original. However, if you just want to run trains, I'm still of the opinion that there is no simpler, cheaper, or more reliable way of running on DC than to install a DC can motor and take out the problematic reverse unit. Just run off a large DC power pack and change direction at the flip of a switch. It will run smoother and cooler and live longer. As to the Gilbert "Universal" motor, I'm certainly no electrical engineer, but something doesn't seem right to me. Maybe someone can explain? Going back to the earliest days of commercial electricity, Thomas Edison was using Direct Current for everything. Then along came Nickola Tesla who created Alternating Current. The advantage was that AC could be transmitted over much longer distances for less loss. Tesla invented AC motors, generators, and a whole group of other devices to use his AC power. Westinghouse purchased first the rights to manufacture these devices, and later the patents. He used them to build the Niagra Power Station and beginning the building the electreical system we call "the Grid" today. I guess what I don't understand is why Tesla had to invent an AC motor if there is really such a thing as a "Universal" motor? He was certainly no idiot! If you are required to use a rectifier with it, how is the motor itself "Universal?" Or was that just a Gilbert advertising thing to illustrate that you could make the same train run off either current with the right additional equipment? My 332 WILL run on DC power, but very poorly, so the "Universal" motor is going to get a DC can motor when I get around to it. Stumpy Stone...wondering in Appalachia. ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] http://www.howeverythingworks.org/supplements/electric_motors.pdf [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20RE%3BUniversal%20Motor%20DC%20experts%20chime%20in [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvYzVzdTdpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NDEwNgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMDE5NDAwNzA-?act=reply&messageNum=64106 [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/64106;_ylc=X3oDMTM0bW90cWhoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NDEwNgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMDE5NDAwNzAEdHBjSWQDNjQxMDY- [5] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64113	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor

I think this topic is getting a bit confusing because we are talking about two different rectifiers. One is in the power supply line to change the AC from the transformer to DC to run the trains. This circuit is the one with the reversing switch to change polarity. The second rectifier is in the locomotive to keep the polarity of the field constant, as Carey noted. The bridge rectifier circuit does this regardless of the polarity of the current supplied to the tracks. When the reverse switch is thrown, the polarity to the brushes does change, but not the polarity to the field, thus accomplishing a reverse in the direction of the motor. If you don't install a rectifier in the field circuit of the locomotive, the motor will run just fine, but the polarity of the field will be changed by the reverse unit's cycling, just as it is when you operate on AC. (Actually with AC it is called "phase", not polarity.) If you have a reversing switch to change the polarity of a DC supply line, it will do nothing unless the rectifier is installed in the field circuit of the locomotive. I hope helps a little. Dale On 4/3/2011 11:00 AM, richs009 wrote: > > Ben (or anyone else) -- I've been considering doing the same thing - > how do you handle reversing the loco - assuming you are still > supplying track power AC and the rectifiers are installed in each loco? > > A related question - one I should know the answer to but don't off > hand - are the motors used in the various diesels also universal? If > so, then presumably the same rectifiers trick will work there too (?) > > thanks, > > Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote: > > > > I very recently added in the rectifiers to operate some of my > equipment on DC. I am loving it! I can now run with enjoyment some > engines that flustered me for years with their sucky, sticky e-units! > > > > Do the trains run cooler on DC? Definitely yes. Smoother? A toss up. > More reliably? Oh yes! I have my eyes on the next locos to be > converted...a 322 Hudson for sure that has a sticky e-unit. This fixes it! > > > > It is cheap enough to do- and very easy to change back to stock if > desired. Go for it!! > > > > Ben > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "John M" <macflyer@> wrote: > > > > > > I feel kind of dumb asking what appears to be fairly obvious > but... I'm in the process of building my next layout and I want it to > operate on DC. Will the locomotives that have a "universal" motor > operate successfully or will I need to install can motors in all > non-DC units? > > > > > > Working on it! > > > Mac > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64114	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: Copyright

Hi Stumpy, Not sure about the shirts, but as for the books the attorney needs at least two copies to be sent to Washington. I had all my Triple "S" Supplies part numbers copyrighted to protect my business. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 1:27:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re:Copyright When I did the drawings for a series of silk screened shirts back in 1990, I was told by an attorney involved in the project to fill out the required Copyright forms so that I would own the art work. I have done it for two novels being considered for publication as well, even though some publishers don't like for you to do this. Copyrighting with the government is cheap and legally foolproof. DO IT! I think you can still order the forms through the Post Office, or go online and hunt down the site for the Copyright and Patent Department under United States Government. The only other thing that might hold up in court (it has in a few cases I know of) is to print a copy of the material, date stamp it, put it in a box or large envelope and mail it to yourself well before you submit it for publication or use. DO NOT OPEN THE PACKAGE WHEN YOU RECIEVE IT! Stash it away in case you have to go to court and prove that you wrote the material first by producing the unopened, Postal Service dated, copy. It doesn't always work, but it does give you a leg to stand on. You will of course have to pay for an attorney and fight it out in court, where the government will have record of your Copyright filing to remove all doubt. Stumpy Stone Martins Ferry, OH. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64115	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: Q &A time... and Copyright

Hi Mark, That is true, but you do havre to file the book with an attorney and get a number from the Library of Congree. I filed a co-pright for the Parts and Service Book and I'm still waiting for the number. If you want to get the published you should have that number. I will have the book with the numbers ready in two weeks and it will have a copyright as the book will be mine. GThe book will be available for sale at that time. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: lember2004 <lember2004@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 12:25:21 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Q &A time... and Copyright Tom, I'm not a lawyer, but I recall that copyright is automatic when you create the book - no forms or filings necessary - and you can use "(c)your name, year" on it. For more formal and greater protection, you can file with the US Copyright Office. Mark --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi Clayton, > I am working on a book at this time. Should be > > ready in two to three weeks. I must get a copyright. My book will be much >more > > extensive than the Greenberg Book. In addition to the part numbers, I put the > application next to the part number and I put the screw sizes next to the screw > > part numbers. I also added the part numbers in numerical order for HO & O > Gauges. Over 30 years of research for this book. P-13A080 Adapter Plate goes > with P-13A037 HO Coupler and P-13A147 Eyelet to attach the coupler to HO >trucks. > > Tom Seccia > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: clayton <uvl97222@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 1:00:37 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Q &A time... > > > Hi, what I'm looking for is a list of part numbers with the part name in order > of the first PA numbers. Do any of you know if this is out in print? > > > I like to pick up new old stock in the old AC Gilbert envelopes to add to my on > > going pile of parts. The one that I just picked up off of Ebay is # P13AO8O >and > > it's name is adapter plate. Do any of you know what this goes on? I was also > thinking of making the list my self, but why do this if someone has put one > together. This list would be some job, and I may not get all of the numbers >down > > the first try at making this list. Thanks be to the computer, and the big help > that will be if I need to do this my self. Now that I'm thinking about it a > photo would be nice to go a long with each part too. > > Tom S. do you have this list? > > Clayton > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64116	From: tbennerohio	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: link coupler return springs?

Hello all, First, I like link couplers! To each his own, but they have been reliable for me as long as they are able to obey gravity and fall into place. The close coupling is worth the non-prototypical look to me. A few weeks ago I came upon some aluminum 660 cars, not a matching set but they all have something I had never seen before. The link couplers all have return springs. These are so well done that one would think they were factory installed. They work great! Did Gilbert ever make link couplers with return springs? If not, whoever made these was a talented individual. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64117	From: rj4010d	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: link coupler return springs

Tim, The 364 B unit that came with the 3 car set had the return spring also.A few other items had the spring also. Bob G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64118	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: link coupler return springs?

Tim- I've always wondered why someone didn't make one. Can you describe it for us? Maybe post a picture? Thanks, Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 4, 2011 5:36:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] link coupler return springs? Hello all, First, I like link couplers! To each his own, but they have been reliable for me as long as they are able to obey gravity and fall into place. The close coupling is worth the non-prototypical look to me. A few weeks ago I came upon some aluminum 660 cars, not a matching set but they all have something I had never seen before. The link couplers all have return springs. These are so well done that one would think they were factory installed. They work great! Did Gilbert ever make link couplers with return springs? If not, whoever made these was a talented individual. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64119	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: link coupler return springs?

Hi Tim, Gilbert did install those springs. Part number is PA11589. I used to have these in stock. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 7:36:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] link coupler return springs? Hello all, First, I like link couplers! To each his own, but they have been reliable for me as long as they are able to obey gravity and fall into place. The close coupling is worth the non-prototypical look to me. A few weeks ago I came upon some aluminum 660 cars, not a matching set but they all have something I had never seen before. The link couplers all have return springs. These are so well done that one would think they were factory installed. They work great! Did Gilbert ever make link couplers with return springs? If not, whoever made these was a talented individual. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64120	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/4/2011
Subject: Re: SIT diagram and parts list

Hi David, There are no exploded views for the original smoke in tender units. There is an exploded view for the smoke in tender conversion units. I believe someone in the "S" group has this on his web site. My Parts and Service book has this view and a listing of all the smoke in tender parts on the same page. Smoke in Tender units for HO and S are the same. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: afironhorse <afironhorse@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 1:44:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] SIT diagram and parts list Can someone let me know if there is a Smoke-in-tender diagram and parts list on the web that I could look at or send me a copy? I would greatly appreciate it. Also, can a AF HO SIT work in a AF "S" tender?? Thanks David New Orleans La. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64121	From: Timboy	Date: 4/5/2011
Subject: Re: link couplers

Hi, Linkers are the only American Flyer pieces I run. I don't even own any knuckle coupler cars or locos right now! I like the look of the sheet metal truck much better than the sintered knuckle truck. The car spacing is closer as well, especially for passenger cars. I also feel that linker trucks are more durable than knuckle coupler trucks and easier to maintain. My entire fleet is not only vintage, it's classic vintage. Here are some tips I follow to keep my linker cars running great: http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/2011/01/linker-coupler-tips-and-tricks_29.html Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64122	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/5/2011
Subject: Re: link coupler return springs?

Yes, those are original factory. The aluminum passenger cars are the only items I have ever seen with these installed, however, and I suspect it was Gilbert's way of dealing with the uncoupling of these heavier cars. We have reproductions of these coupler springs available. However, installation requires removal and re-installation (or replacement) of the coupler pin. <<<A few weeks ago I came upon some aluminum 660 cars, not a matching set but they all have something I had never seen before. The link couplers all have return springs. These are so well done that one would think they were factory installed. They work great! Did Gilbert ever make link couplers with return springs? If not, whoever made these was a talented individual.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com www.flyerparts.com <http://www.flyerparts.com/> www.sgaugetrains.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64123	From: David Haslauer	Date: 4/5/2011
Subject: Re: SIT diagram and parts list

Thanks for the info Tom. ________________________________ From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 10:20:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SIT diagram and parts list   Hi David, There are no exploded views for the original smoke in tender units. There is an exploded view for the smoke in tender conversion units. I believe someone in the "S" group has this on his web site. My Parts and Service book has this view and a listing of all the smoke in tender parts on the same page. Smoke in Tender units for HO and S are the same. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: afironhorse <afironhorse@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 1:44:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] SIT diagram and parts list Can someone let me know if there is a Smoke-in-tender diagram and parts list on the web that I could look at or send me a copy? I would greatly appreciate it. Also, can a AF HO SIT work in a AF "S" tender?? Thanks David New Orleans La. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64124	From: Lamont Heppe	Date: 4/5/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...

Heavy duty rectifiers are relatively cheep especially if you buy them from All Electronics, www.allelectronics.com, instead of Radio Shack. The Baltimore club has been using some on their modular layout for years and have never noticed them getting hot. The heavier rated rectifiers usually have a hole in the center. Just bolt it to a piece of flat metal and you shouldn't have to worry about overheating.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64125	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/5/2011
Subject: Parking Crew Notes--- Wed April 13th At NTTM

From Colleen, Gen Mgr At Red Caboose Motel ____________________________________ It will be our pleasure to allow TCA use our parking lot for the upcoming event in April. As for a promo, we'd like to offer again 50% off lunch during the entire week (11th-15th) to all TCA members. They just have to show a York badge or a TCA membership card. We're adding to the pot this time; if they want to stay the night in one of our cabeese, they can rent any room for $85 any night from the 10th - 14th (Sun-Thurs). They just need to call in and talk to the front desk to book. (717)687-5000 From PENNDOT: The RT 30 Susquehanna River Bridge will be reduced to ONE LANE in both directions from April thru October for bridge upgrading/re-decking. This is a planned 2 yr project. FROM Parking Crew-- The Parking Lot at the Rail Road Museum of Pennsylvania will NOT be available at this time due to installation of Geo-Thermal HVAC system for main exhibit hall. Parking WILL be available w/ Shuttle Bus at Choo Choo Barn/Strasburg Train Shop, Strasburg Railroad, pick-up at J-Tower, and at Red Caboose Motel, walk path to NTTM. There are restaurants at Choo Choo Barn, Strasburg Railroad and special consideration for TCA members at the Restaurant at Red Caboose Motel. If you require Handicapped Parking for a member of your party, Handicap Parking is LIMITED at NTTM, even tho it exceeds requirements. I would suggest being prepared to drop off your passenger and then going as directed by a Parking Crew Volunteer. Thank You, Jim Lyle, Parking Crew [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64126	From: Ben	Date: 4/5/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...

Mine I believe are 50 AMP and have the hole you speak of. I will have to bolt them to some metal...Thanks! Is this the heat sink previously spoken of? Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Lamont Heppe <monteheppe@...> wrote: > > Heavy duty rectifiers are relatively cheep especially if you buy them from All Electronics, www.allelectronics.com, instead of Radio Shack. The Baltimore club has been using some on their modular layout for years and have never noticed them getting hot. The heavier rated rectifiers usually have a hole in the center. Just bolt it to a piece of flat metal and you shouldn't have to worry about overheating. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64127	From: Timboy	Date: 4/5/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...

Hi, I've mentioned this before, but I think it is something everyone is either overlooking or ignoring and bears repeating. ANY can motor, except those that are rated "scale speed" or "1/2 speed" will require less voltage to operate. Less voltage means less smoke produced from a vintage Flyer smoke box. I have never heard of anyone who wants less smoke from their vintage Flyer smoke box. I've also never heard of any work-around to this. So if there is someone who is maybe using some resistors or something else on the can motor to force more voltage to the loco and smoke box, please let us know how you make out with that. Also, under no circumstance, would I put any rectifier into a closed work box. I don't care what rating the rectifier has, it will smoke in that enclosed environment unless the box is vented and there is a small fan installed. I would keep the rectifier under the table and fully exposed to the air, bolted to a piece of flashing for a heat sink. I would fasten the heat sink to the underside of the table and leave a generous air space between it and the table. Rectifiers used in a tender aren't prone to overheating so much and I'm guessing that there isn't as much draw on them as there are the ones between the transformer and track. Better still, why not put a DC field on the open-frame motor instead of a rectifier in the tender. I feel that the suggestion to use a heavy-duty MRC power pack - such as used for G gauge - is an excellent suggestion. I would make sure that it has on-board circuit protection and has an internal fan to vent heat. Last time I checked, not all of them had those. Perhaps the newer ones do. Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64128	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/5/2011
Subject: Re: link coupler return springs?

Looked on your website, Doug, but can't seem to find the springs. What section are they in? Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Peck" <doug@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 6:07:00 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: link coupler return springs? Yes, those are original factory. The aluminum passenger cars are the only items I have ever seen with these installed, however, and I suspect it was Gilbert's way of dealing with the uncoupling of these heavier cars. We have reproductions of these coupler springs available. However, installation requires removal and re-installation (or replacement) of the coupler pin. <<<A few weeks ago I came upon some aluminum 660 cars, not a matching set but they all have something I had never seen before. The link couplers all have return springs. These are so well done that one would think they were factory installed. They work great! Did Gilbert ever make link couplers with return springs? If not, whoever made these was a talented individual.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com www.flyerparts.com < http://www.flyerparts.com/ > www.sgaugetrains.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64129	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/5/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...

I think there are a couple of theoretical reasons why this would not work well. First of all, many of the original Gilbert permanent magnet fields are pretty old and may have lost some of their magnetic strength and could be in need of recharging, which from what I understand is not that easy to do. The second reason is that the armature is different on DC motors. Reference to Bob Hannon's book on Gilbert electrical components shows the DC armature to have just about double the resistance of an AC armature, probably because it operates directly off the DC track power, rather than in series through the AC field. I haven't tried such a substitution myself, though I think some locos I purchased may have been owned by someone who did just that because they are items that were never offered in DC. Before I run these, I plan on checking the armature carefully to see if it is a DC or AC armature. I understand the DC armatures have a green mark on them. Dale On 4/5/2011 7:36 AM, Timboy wrote: > > Hi, > > Better still, why not put a DC field on the open-frame motor instead > of a rectifier in the tender. > > Regards, > Timboy > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64130	From: tbennerohio	Date: 4/5/2011
Subject: Re: link coupler return springs?

Thanks for all of the replies and info. I suspected those springs were factory. I do have another unique linker in my small fleet. This one is a near-perfect working replica link coupler made of wood on a gray hopper acquired in an inexpensive batch of ebay cars. Perhaps the owner had spent too much on the set to afford a hobby shop factory repair. But I picture a tearful kid on a late December day in the early '50s bringing the car to his dad who was good enough with his pocket knife to have the car back on the tracks, "good as new" by the next morning. Maybe too much sentiment and imagination but I can remember a dad who would have done it. No matter what the story, that car holds a place of honor and is only run in December. > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64131	From: tbennerohio	Date: 4/5/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...

Tim and all, There is a solution to the reduced voltage needed and smoke/headlight output when using can motors. I use "shorted" rectifiers in series with the motors and run track power direct from the tender pickups to the smoker and headlight. If I recall correctly, each rectifier will drop about 1.5 volts. Just solder the + and - leads of the rectifier together and run in and out of the AC leads enroute to the motor. The rectifiers do produce dome heat but not more than 10 degrees F over the ambient temperature measured with a pyrometer (left over from kart racing) For S N S full speed motors I usually use two of these and top speed is about the same as a well-running AF motor. For Timko flywheel motors it usually takes 3 - 4 (these motors are fast!) But it is well worth the effort. As an operator/collector, I try to keep as original as possible. I run on ACG transformers and toggle back and forth to TMCC. Sometimes the can motor is the best and most economical solution, even with the additional expense of an electronic reverse unit. Now some of my plastic bodied engines are silent instead of sounding like hand- mixers And some of the formerly troubled big engines drift to a stop at the talking station. The only trouble I see with can motors is once you do one, you want to do another... Regards, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > I've mentioned this before, but I think it is something everyone is either overlooking or ignoring and bears repeating. ANY can motor, except those that are rated "scale speed" or "1/2 speed" will require less voltage to operate. Less voltage means less smoke produced from a vintage Flyer smoke box. I have never heard of anyone who wants less smoke from their vintage Flyer smoke box. I've also never heard of any work-around to this. So if there is someone who is maybe using some resistors or something else on the can motor to force more voltage to the loco and smoke box, please let us know how you make out with that.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64132	From: rj4010d	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...

Tim Benner is wright on with his system. Have used it for 10 years or so which includes many hours cotinuous running on club layout. Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@...> wrote: > > Tim and all, > > There is a solution to the reduced voltage needed and smoke/headlight output when using can motors. I use "shorted" rectifiers in series with the motors and run track power direct from the tender pickups to the smoker and headlight. If I recall correctly, each rectifier will drop about 1.5 volts. Just solder the + and - leads of the rectifier together and run in and out of the AC leads enroute to the motor. The rectifiers do produce dome heat but not more than 10 degrees F over the ambient temperature measured with a pyrometer (left over from kart racing) > > For S N S full speed motors I usually use two of these and top speed is about the same as a well-running AF motor. > > For Timko flywheel motors it usually takes 3 - 4 (these motors are fast!) But it is well worth the effort. > > As an operator/collector, I try to keep as original as possible. I run on ACG transformers and toggle back and forth to TMCC. Sometimes the can motor is the best and most economical solution, even with the additional expense of an electronic reverse unit. Now some of my plastic bodied engines are silent instead of sounding like hand- mixers And some of the formerly troubled big engines drift to a stop at the talking station. > > The only trouble I see with can motors is once you do one, you want to do another... > > Regards, > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I've mentioned this before, but I think it is something everyone is either overlooking or ignoring and bears repeating. ANY can motor, except those that are rated "scale speed" or "1/2 speed" will require less voltage to operate. Less voltage means less smoke produced from a vintage Flyer smoke box. I have never heard of anyone who wants less smoke from their vintage Flyer smoke box. I've also never heard of any work-around to this. So if there is someone who is maybe using some resistors or something else on the can motor to force more voltage to the loco and smoke box, please let us know how you make out with that. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64133	From: Doug Peck	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: Re: link coupler return springs?

AF PARTS catalog......COUPLERS......... Item #1744 <<<Looked on your website, Doug, but can't seem to find the springs. What section are they in?>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com www.flyerparts.com <http://www.flyerparts.com/> www.sgaugetrains.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64134	From: Timboy	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rj4010d" <bjg@...> wrote: > > Tim Benner is wright on with his system. Have used it for 10 years or so which includes many hours cotinuous running on club layout. > Bob Guckian Eaton, Oh Hi Guys, Soooooo. Only 10 years and you've finally decided to share this? lol Makes me think I should take down my blog with all it's discoveries and revelations, then hold it for 10 years and slooooowly put it back up. lol Anyway, thanks for sharing that technique! It's a valuable contribution, IMHO. Props, guys. See all I've discovered or invented right now at: http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64135	From: Herbert	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: Gilbert Hall of Science lookalike

Notice the similarities to the Gilbert Hall of Science. It does look more looks more like "O" scale though. Gilbert Hall of Science lookalike model <http://www.bigcityscapes.com/> Herb Wasserman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64136	From: CyberSavant	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: Just starting out - looking for advise

Hello. OK, i briefly had a train when i was a child- my dad put it all together but we didn't have it very long. I've started to acquire stuff to build an S-Scale layout [i have done terrain building in non-RR settings]. What i'd like to know is what do i need? OK, tracks, a train - yes i know, but what else? I have some used trains to start with, some new track from American Models, plus i've been finding some plasticville buildings and signs, i have some 1:64 vehicles and people. Now, what do i do? i want stuff in 1:64 scale; i just happened to come across AF stuff first, not that i'm tied to it. I was under the impression that any 1:64 scale train would run on any [except narrow gauge] track. when i buy vehicles, i check to see that it says it's actually 1:64; i won't but matchbox 1:63 or 1:69; a don't buy hot wheels and they're not usually realistic, and don't state the exact scale. Of course appearance plays into it as well, so if it looks OK with the miniatures i have, then that's fine also. [plus, i can't afford $200 per car, so used stuff is my only option right now] On the lists i've seen people discussing modding trains - taking AF trains and changing the couplers and trucks. Is this easy to do? I have American Models track, so i guess i'll have to modify the AF i have to run it on the track. Any suggestions on where to look for books/instructions detailing how to wire? Do i have to change the motors in AF too? thanks Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64137	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: Nice articles in S Gaugian by Georgians Tom Robinson and Pete Silcox

I received the S Gaugian yesterday and enjoyed especially enjoyed reading the article by two Georgia residents, Tom Robinson of Dahlonega, and Pete Silcox of Kennesaw. Tom's article was the 4th in a series on trackwork available in S gauge. This particular article was about SHS trackwork. Pete's article was about scratchbuilding a pulpwood car of the Western of Alabama Railroad. His model looks very detailed. I like it that we have growing numbers of prominent NASG contributors who live in the South. Others that immediately come to mind are Larry Morton, Bob McCarthy, and Bob Hogan, and I am sure there are several others I have overlooked. - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64138	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: Need parts for an AF 3110 pre-war loco

My Friends in S, I have recently obtained a couple of AF 3110 locos for restoration to operational condition. I have gotten everything I need, except the wheels. All of the wheels I've been able to find have suffered from acute metal fatigue, deterioration and swelling. I'm looking for a source for replacement wheels. Repros are okay as this loco is destined for the Christmas tree layout only. It is not meant to be a collector's item restoration. The wheels don't even need to be AF wheels, although I would like to have spoked wheels. The originals are spoked and have counter weights that are drilled for connecting rods. The wheels measure about 1.1 inch in diameter across the tires and 1.4 inch diameter across the flanges. If not direct replacements, the wheels need to be uninsulated, as this is a 3-rail loco. Any ideas or links would be greatly appreciated. THNX! Don Munsey, Jr UpperRightCorner of Louisiana, USA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64139	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert Hall of Science lookalike

Herb, I had to scroll down a bit to see the building labeled "Science Building," but it sure is patterned after the Gilbert Hall of Science building, right down to the 8 porthole windows on the first floor. The upper windows seem bit condensed and more centered, but they are still 3 sets of 3 windows each. Not bad, but pretty pricey at $1000. Dale On 4/6/2011 4:53 AM, Herbert wrote: > > Notice the similarities to the Gilbert Hall of Science. It does look > more looks more like "O" scale though. > Gilbert Hall of Science lookalike model <http://www.bigcityscapes.com/> > Herb Wasserman > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64140	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: Re: Need parts for an AF 3110 pre-war loco

I think Ron Leventon probably has what you need. Harwood Leventon Hobby Supply P.O. Box 1525 Chehalis, WA 98532 (360) 748-3643 (voice) - (360) 748-7507 (fax) http://www.amerflyer.com/leventon/ http://www.amerflyer.com/leventon/ -----Original Message----- From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr <dmunseyjr@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:58 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Need parts for an AF 3110 pre-war loco My Friends in S, I have recently obtained a couple of AF 3110 locos for restoration to operational condition. I have gotten everything I need, except the wheels. All of the wheels I've been able to find have suffered from acute metal fatigue, deterioration and swelling. I'm looking for a source for replacement wheels. Repros are okay as this loco is destined for the Christmas tree layout only. It is not meant to be a collector's item restoration. The wheels don't even need to be AF wheels, although I would like to have spoked wheels. The originals are spoked and have counter weights that are drilled for connecting rods. The wheels measure about 1.1 inch in diameter across the tires and 1.4 inch diameter across the flanges. If not direct replacements, the wheels need to be uninsulated, as this is a 3-rail loco. Any ideas or links would be greatly appreciated. THNX! Don Munsey, Jr UpperRightCorner of Louisiana, USA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64141	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: Re: Just starting out - looking for advise

First you need to decide if you want to go strictly scale or high rail. Stock Flyer is high rail and will operate on American Models track. American Models & S Helper make. both scale & hi rail. Scale will have smaller wheel flanges & couplers. Flyer rolling stock can be converted to scale wheelsets & couplers. I personally prefer hi rail so I can enjoy the best of vintage Flyer as well as items from both AM & SHS. Arguments can [ and probably will] be made for either option so consider what you want carefully before deciding and most importantly have fun. Bob Hendrickson Sent from my iPod On Apr 6, 2011, at 11:50 AM, "CyberSavant" <cybersavant@...> wrote: > Hello. > OK, i briefly had a train when i was a child- my dad put it all together but we didn't have it very long. > > I've started to acquire stuff to build an S-Scale layout [i have done terrain building in non-RR settings]. What i'd like to know is what do i need? OK, tracks, a train - yes i know, but what else? I have some used trains to start with, some new track from American Models, plus i've been finding some plasticville buildings and signs, i have some 1:64 vehicles and people. Now, what do i do? > > i want stuff in 1:64 scale; i just happened to come across AF stuff first, not that i'm tied to it. I was under the impression that any 1:64 scale train would run on any [except narrow gauge] track. when i buy vehicles, i check to see that it says it's actually 1:64; i won't but matchbox 1:63 or 1:69; a don't buy hot wheels and they're not usually realistic, and don't state the exact scale. Of course appearance plays into it as well, so if it looks OK with the miniatures i have, then that's fine also. [plus, i can't afford $200 per car, so used stuff is my only option right now] > > On the lists i've seen people discussing modding trains - taking AF trains and changing the couplers and trucks. Is this easy to do? I have American Models track, so i guess i'll have to modify the AF i have to run it on the track. Any suggestions on where to look for books/instructions detailing how to wire? Do i have to change the motors in AF too? > > thanks > Larry > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64142	From: Grumpy	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals

New decals from Oddballs Decals N and HO scale $5.00. S and O scale $8.25 953 Garvey Grain 3 bay covered hopper http://mopac1.tripod.com/953.gif 954 Missouri Pacific 40 ft box car http://mopac1.tripod.com/954.gif 955 Rock Island 3 bay covered hopper http://mopac1.tripod.com/955.gif 956 Great Lakes Carbon 3 bay covered hopper http://mopac1.tripod.com/956.gif 957 MILW Road 3 bay covered hopper http://mopac1.tripod.com/957.gif 958 MILW Road 3 bay covered hopper http://mopac1.tripod.com/958.gif 959 MILW Road 3 bay covered hopper http://mopac1.tripod.com/959.gif 960 MILW Road 3 bay covered hopper http://mopac1.tripod.com/960.gif 961 MILW Road 50 ft box car http://mopac1.tripod.com/961.gif 962 MILW Road 80 ft box car http://mopac1.tripod.com/962.gif 963 Monfort Feed Lots 3 bay covered hopper http://mopac1.tripod.com/963.gif 964 Cargill 3 bay covered hopper http://mopac1.tripod.com/964.gif 965 SRY 50 ft boxcar http://mopac1.tripod.com/965.gif 966 SRY 50 ft boxcar http://mopac1.tripod.com/966.gif 967 Bartlett and Company 3 bay covered hopper http://mopac1.tripod.com/967.gif -- Tom Stolte owner of Oddballs Decals No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by avast.com http://oddballsdecals.org My prototype photos http://oddballsdecals.rrpicturearchives.net/ my photos of the Missouri Pacific http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ aka Grumpy, one of the seven Dwarfs only taller :-) only 7 feet tall, 213 centimeters tall or 2130 mm tall MP, CNW, MKT, KCS, DRGW, BN, RI, MILW, ATSF, SLSF and SP Forever

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64143	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: Model Builder

1942 is on-line.. http://www.trainlife.com/magazines Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64144	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: Re: Need parts for an AF 3110 pre-war loco

So Ron is still in business good for him. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: HOwingsiii@... Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:00:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Need parts for an AF 3110 pre-war loco I think Ron Leventon probably has what you need. Harwood Leventon Hobby Supply P.O. Box 1525 Chehalis, WA 98532 (360) 748-3643 (voice) - (360) 748-7507 (fax) http://www.amerflyer.com/leventon/ http://www.amerflyer.com/leventon/ -----Original Message----- From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr <dmunseyjr@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Apr 6, 2011 12:58 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Need parts for an AF 3110 pre-war loco My Friends in S, I have recently obtained a couple of AF 3110 locos for restoration to operational condition. I have gotten everything I need, except the wheels. All of the wheels I've been able to find have suffered from acute metal fatigue, deterioration and swelling. I'm looking for a source for replacement wheels. Repros are okay as this loco is destined for the Christmas tree layout only. It is not meant to be a collector's item restoration. The wheels don't even need to be AF wheels, although I would like to have spoked wheels. The originals are spoked and have counter weights that are drilled for connecting rods. The wheels measure about 1.1 inch in diameter across the tires and 1.4 inch diameter across the flanges. If not direct replacements, the wheels need to be uninsulated, as this is a 3-rail loco. Any ideas or links would be greatly appreciated. THNX! Don Munsey, Jr UpperRightCorner of Louisiana, USA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64145	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: Re: SHS Blatant advertisement...Sample Sale

We have gone through our collection and are selling off our samples. Included are operating samples, display models, painted samples and some recently found sold out new cars. I think that all of the samples are sold out cars too. The listing of these items and where they can be purchased on line can be found at: http://showcaseline.com/SampleSale4.html Or, you can call us this week... Don Oh, 732-441-0555

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64146	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/6/2011
Subject: Re: SHS Blatant advertisement...Sample Sale

We have gone through our collection and are selling off our samples. Included are operating samples, display models, painted samples and some recently found sold out new cars. I think that all of the samples are sold out cars too. The listing of these items and where they can be purchased on line can be found at: http://showcaseline.com/SampleSale4.html Or, you can call us this week... Don Oh, 732-441-0555

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64147	From: Ray Puls	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor-DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...

I have wondered where all the old karters went and now I find one here on the s group. Any more? Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64148	From: Timboy	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > I think there are a couple of theoretical reasons why this would not > work well. First of all, many of the original Gilbert permanent magnet > fields are pretty old and may have lost some of their magnetic strength > and could be in need of recharging, which from what I understand is not > that easy to do. The second reason is that the armature is different on > DC motors. Reference to Bob Hannon's book on Gilbert electrical > components shows the DC armature to have just about double the > resistance of an AC armature, probably because it operates directly off > the DC track power, rather than in series through the AC field. > > I haven't tried such a substitution myself, though I think some locos I > purchased may have been owned by someone who did just that because they > are items that were never offered in DC. Before I run these, I plan on > checking the armature carefully to see if it is a DC or AC armature. I > understand the DC armatures have a green mark on them. > > Dale > > On 4/5/2011 7:36 AM, Timboy wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Better still, why not put a DC field on the open-frame motor instead > > of a rectifier in the tender. > > > > Regards, > > Timboy > > Hi Dale, With all due respect, I'm not too excited about theory on my level as a home hobbyist. I'll leave that up to the research scientists. lol I put a whole lot more stock into what I find actually works or not. I always say that there is one sure way to find out something. That is to set up an experiment and observe what happens. It is exactly what I would do if I wanted to tinker with swapping out an AC field for a DC field in a steamer. And that is the whole basis of the content of my blog. A theorist recently on another forum gave me a stern warning that my method of block control using separate transformers would not work and was dangerous. I prove him wrong each and every day that I run my trains. So, my plea to everyone is to experiment and share what you find out with all of us! http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64149	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: AF O gauge Repro Wheels

Don Munsey Jr. wrote:   Need parts for an AF 3110 pre-war loco Posted by: "Don & Marsha Munsey Jr" dmunseyjr@...   bigswede073 Wed Apr 6, 2011 9:58 am (PDT) My Friends in S, I have recently obtained a couple of AF 3110 locos for restoration to operational condition. I have gotten everything I need, except the wheels. All of the wheels I've been able to find have suffered from acute metal fatigue, deterioration and swelling. I'm looking for a source for replacement wheels. Repros are okay as this loco is destined for the Christmas tree layout only. It is not meant to be a collector's item restoration. The wheels don't even need to be AF wheels, although I would like to have spoked wheels. The originals are spoked and have counter weights that are drilled for connecting rods. The wheels measure about 1.1 inch in diameter across the tires and 1.4 inch diameter across the flanges. If not direct replacements, the wheels need to be uninsulated, as this is a 3-rail loco. Any ideas or links would be greatly appreciated. THNX! Don Munsey, Jr UpperRightCorner of Louisiana, USA ###################################################### These wheels are now again becoming available as reproductions. All of the AF prewar O gauge wheels are now available except for the most in demand wheel, which is steam, spoked, gear on back, nickle rim, black. However, this wheel should be available soon. These wheels will only be available through dealers. Joe Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer ###################Authorized Lionel Service Center#################### ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@....###########.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64150	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: Re: O PARTS

_Lionel Toy Train Parts - Original & Repro - from OTTP: Olsen's Toy Train Parts_ (http://pictures.olsenstoy.com/) Try these guys for the wheels You might have to Google Olsen's Train Parts [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64151	From: Dave	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: TRAILING TRUCK EXPOSED WHEELS COVER

As we stated a little while ago that we were having our own trailing truck wheels covers produced for the AF 1946 - 1965 A&P's with that awful exposed 2 wheel draw bar. Well "THEY ARE HERE". Our first batch came in today and they do just what they were designed for. Now the A&P's can look sooooooooo much better and for very little. These are made for the A&P's with the 3/8" wide x 1/16" thick, black color draw bar ONLY. They are a 4 piece cast metal unit which slips on in a few seconds and down the track you go. A "truly enjoyable experience". FOR FURTHER INFO. "PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP". For those of you that are interested they can be viewed at the link below: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64152	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: question

Just what the heck is a "Karter"? Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64153	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: Re: question

It goes with Welcome Back In a message dated 4/7/2011 2:33:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nowofinance@... writes: Just what the heck is a "Karter"? Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64154	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: Re: question

It is really a person that races or drives a Go Kart In a message dated 4/7/2011 2:33:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nowofinance@... writes: Just what the heck is a "Karter"? Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64155	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: Re: TRAILING TRUCK EXPOSED WHEELS COVER

----- Original Message ----- From: Dave . . . . . trailing truck wheels covers . . . . . . . that awful exposed 2 wheel draw bar. . . . . . . . . .Now the A&P's can look sooooooooo much better . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many ways an Atlantic or Pacific could be made to look better. http://www.yesteryeardepot.com/WB621.JPG Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64156	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: Re: TRAILING TRUCK EXPOSED WHEELS COVER

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > > As we stated a little while ago that we were having our own trailing truck wheels covers produced for the AF 1946 - 1965 A&P's with that awful exposed 2 wheel draw bar. Well "THEY ARE HERE". Our first batch came in today and they do just what they were designed for. Now the A&P's can look sooooooooo much better and for very little. These are made for the A&P's with the 3/8" wide x 1/16" thick, black color draw bar ONLY. They are a 4 piece cast metal unit which slips on in a few seconds and down the track you go. A "truly enjoyable experience". > FOR FURTHER INFO. "PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP". For those of you that are interested they can be viewed at the link below: > > > http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html > > > Thank you all for your continuing support. > Dave Saw the photo; looks like a winner! Mark > > LBR Enterprises, llc >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64157	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...

First of all, in retrospect, I think my use of the term "theoretical" may have only replied to one of the points and that is as to the armatures. The other point, the diminished magnetic capacity of 60+ year old permanent magnets has been discussed on this list on several occasions, as has the need to keep the poles connected when removing the magnets to prevent demagnetization. I try to learn from the experience of others and this list has been a major source of my education. This de-magnetization problem has often been noted as an argument for using can motors. As to the armatures, I figure that Bob Hannon's book is pretty much authoritative as to motor specifications and since he clearly notes that the armatures for AC and DC are different, I accept that. I also think that A.C. Gilbert's engineers would have loved it if they could have made one armature for both applications, but they didn't do that, so I assume they had a reason for it. In any case, let me know what the results of your experiments are if you switch out the field. I would be interested in whether there is any possible overheating or overspeed running of the motor. Have fun. Dale On 4/7/2011 7:15 AM, Timboy wrote: > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > > > I think there are a couple of theoretical reasons why this would not > > work well. > Hi Dale, > With all due respect, I'm not too excited about theory on my level as > a home hobbyist. I'll leave that up to the research scientists. lol I > put a whole lot more stock into what I find actually works or not. I > always say that there is one sure way to find out something. That is > to set up an experiment and observe what happens. It is exactly what I > would do if I wanted to tinker with swapping out an AC field for a DC > field in a steamer. And that is the whole basis of the content of my > blog. A theorist recently on another forum gave me a stern warning > that my method of block control using separate transformers would not > work and was dangerous. I prove him wrong each and every day that I > run my trains. > > So, my plea to everyone is to experiment and share what you find out > with all of us! > > http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ > > Regards, > Timboy > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64158	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: Re: TRAILING TRUCK EXPOSED WHEELS COVER

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > > As we stated a little while ago that we were having our own trailing truck wheels covers produced for the AF 1946 - 1965 A&P's with that awful exposed 2 wheel draw bar. Well "THEY ARE HERE". Our first batch came in today and they do just what they were designed for. Now the A&P's can look sooooooooo much better and for very little. These are made for the A&P's with the 3/8" wide x 1/16" thick, black color draw bar ONLY. They are a 4 piece cast metal unit which slips on in a few seconds and down the track you go. A "truly enjoyable experience". > FOR FURTHER INFO. "PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP". For those of you that are interested they can be viewed at the link below: > > > http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html > > > Thank you all for your continuing support. > Dave I just checked your website; is it part #M3007? A picture would be nice..... Mark > > LBR Enterprises, llc >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64159	From: Timboy	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > First of all, in retrospect, I think my use of the term "theoretical" > may have only replied to one of the points and that is as to the > armatures. The other point, the diminished magnetic capacity of 60+ > year old permanent magnets has been discussed on this list on several > occasions, as has the need to keep the poles connected when removing the > magnets to prevent demagnetization. I try to learn from the experience > of others and this list has been a major source of my education. This > de-magnetization problem has often been noted as an argument for using > can motors. > > As to the armatures, I figure that Bob Hannon's book is pretty much > authoritative as to motor specifications and since he clearly notes that > the armatures for AC and DC are different, I accept that. I also think > that A.C. Gilbert's engineers would have loved it if they could have > made one armature for both applications, but they didn't do that, so I > assume they had a reason for it. > > In any case, let me know what the results of your experiments are if you > switch out the field. I would be interested in whether there is any > possible overheating or overspeed running of the motor. > > Have fun. > > Dale > > On 4/7/2011 7:15 AM, Timboy wrote: > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > Dale Smith <dfsmith26@> wrote: > > > > > > I think there are a couple of theoretical reasons why this would not > > > work well. > > Hi Dale, > > With all due respect, I'm not too excited about theory on my level as > > a home hobbyist. I'll leave that up to the research scientists. lol I > > put a whole lot more stock into what I find actually works or not. I > > always say that there is one sure way to find out something. That is > > to set up an experiment and observe what happens. It is exactly what I > > would do if I wanted to tinker with swapping out an AC field for a DC > > field in a steamer. And that is the whole basis of the content of my > > blog. A theorist recently on another forum gave me a stern warning > > that my method of block control using separate transformers would not > > work and was dangerous. I prove him wrong each and every day that I > > run my trains. > > > > So, my plea to everyone is to experiment and share what you find out > > with all of us! > > > > http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ > > > > Regards, > > Timboy > > Hi, I'm wondering if there is a field test (pun intended) to determine if a DC field has lost any magnetism. I see them for sale from time to time at train shows. We can speculate that after 60+ years, a DC field may have lost magnetism, yet we really don't know if it has or not unless we take it home and find out by test-running with a matching armature. Maybe that is why they show up on eBay every now and then. lol Thanks for your encouragement! I appreciate it. Whenever I discover or invent something, I always make a post about it on my blog and inform the S Gauge forums I belong to. Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64160	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: Trailing truck exposed wheels cover

Now HERE is a product that has long been needed! Not since the earliest days of Pacfic locomotives (and Atlantics too) were these locomotives equipped with inside bearing trailing trucks. Equipping their locomotives with outside bearing trailing trucks is something Gilbert should have done from the beginning, but of course these trains were just toys then. I have gone to the trouble of finding the later trailing trucks as parts and converted my old rebuilt Pacfics to make them look correct. This required making a special drawbar to do it. I wish the LBR covers had been around before! Thumbs up Dave! Stumpy Stone...Hi-rail kit basher in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64161	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...

Tim, I am thinking that maybe good ones are hard to find, but it would be good to be able to test them. I bought some AC fields from SnS trains, and tried to buy some DC fields, but he wasn't selling the DC fields. I do know that AF DC locomotives came with a "bridge" to cover the armature. I think this was for two reasons. First to keep the motor, especially the armature opening, from picking up stray metallic objects from the track and second to provide the bridge to keep the magnet "charged." I also wonder if the AC armatures would work any better if leads to the brushes were run in series with a resistor to make up for the resistance that the now missing AC field provided. It would probably be one to two ohms. Doesn't seem like much of a difference, but the resistance of the AC armature is about 1.5 ohms and the DC armature is 2.3-2.9. The AC field would add another 1.4 ohms for a similar total of 2.9 ohms. I am not sure but I think that would mean that the AC armature, running without a field, would draw more current than the DC armature. Maybe some of the electrical experts out there can explain this better. Dale On 4/7/2011 4:39 PM, Timboy wrote: > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > > > First of all, in retrospect, I think my use of the term "theoretical" > > may have only replied to one of the points and that is as to the > > armatures. The other point, the diminished magnetic capacity of 60+ > > year old permanent magnets has been discussed on this list on several > > occasions, as has the need to keep the poles connected when removing > the > > magnets to prevent demagnetization. I try to learn from the experience > > of others and this list has been a major source of my education. This > > de-magnetization problem has often been noted as an argument for using > > can motors. > > > > As to the armatures, I figure that Bob Hannon's book is pretty much > > authoritative as to motor specifications and since he clearly notes > that > > the armatures for AC and DC are different, I accept that. I also think > > that A.C. Gilbert's engineers would have loved it if they could have > > made one armature for both applications, but they didn't do that, so I > > assume they had a reason for it. > > > > In any case, let me know what the results of your experiments are if > you > > switch out the field. I would be interested in whether there is any > > possible overheating or overspeed running of the motor. > > > > Have fun. > > > > Dale > > > > On 4/7/2011 7:15 AM, Timboy wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > Dale Smith <dfsmith26@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I think there are a couple of theoretical reasons why this would not > > > > work well. > > > Hi Dale, > > > With all due respect, I'm not too excited about theory on my level as > > > a home hobbyist. I'll leave that up to the research scientists. lol I > > > put a whole lot more stock into what I find actually works or not. I > > > always say that there is one sure way to find out something. That is > > > to set up an experiment and observe what happens. It is exactly > what I > > > would do if I wanted to tinker with swapping out an AC field for a DC > > > field in a steamer. And that is the whole basis of the content of my > > > blog. A theorist recently on another forum gave me a stern warning > > > that my method of block control using separate transformers would not > > > work and was dangerous. I prove him wrong each and every day that I > > > run my trains. > > > > > > So, my plea to everyone is to experiment and share what you find out > > > with all of us! > > > > > > http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > Regards, > > > Timboy > > > > Hi, > > I'm wondering if there is a field test (pun intended) to determine if > a DC field has lost any magnetism. I see them for sale from time to > time at train shows. We can speculate that after 60+ years, a DC field > may have lost magnetism, yet we really don't know if it has or not > unless we take it home and find out by test-running with a matching > armature. Maybe that is why they show up on eBay every now and then. lol > > Thanks for your encouragement! I appreciate it. Whenever I discover or > invent something, I always make a post about it on my blog and inform > the S Gauge forums I belong to. > > Regards, > Timboy > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64162	From: rick gough	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: Trailing truck exposed wheels cover

Amen to that!  I found  the existing draw bar on the 302 to be long enough to chop and bend into a proper link to the back of the cab where I got to make my own cross bar. Hate to say it but Lionel showed me how good an Atlantic looks with a proper trailing truck and some interesting paint work. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64163	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/7/2011
Subject: Re: TRAILING TRUCK EXPOSED WHEELS COVER

Dave, How do they fasten on to the drawbar? Snap on? or set screw? Dale On 4/7/2011 12:45 PM, Dave wrote: > > As we stated a little while ago that we were having our own trailing > truck wheels covers produced for the AF 1946 - 1965 A&P's with that > awful exposed 2 wheel draw bar. Well "THEY ARE HERE". Our first batch > came in today and they do just what they were designed for. Now the > A&P's can look sooooooooo much better and for very little. These are > made for the A&P's with the 3/8" wide x 1/16" thick, black color draw > bar ONLY. They are a 4 piece cast metal unit which slips on in a few > seconds and down the track you go. A "truly enjoyable experience". > FOR FURTHER INFO. "PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP". For those of you that > are interested they can be viewed at the link below: > > http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html > > Thank you all for your continuing support. > Dave > > LBR Enterprises, llc > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64164	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 4/8/2011
Subject: Re: TRAILING TRUCK EXPOSED WHEELS COVER

Dale.      The draw bar tongue slides under the front strap and the rear part is held in place by the rear strap that is held in place by two hex head screws. Just about a one minute installation.      PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP FOR FURTHER INFO. Dave --- On Thu, 4/7/11, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TRAILING TRUCK EXPOSED WHEELS COVER To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 10:23 PM   Dave, How do they fasten on to the drawbar? Snap on? or set screw? Dale On 4/7/2011 12:45 PM, Dave wrote: > > As we stated a little while ago that we were having our own trailing > truck wheels covers produced for the AF 1946 - 1965 A&P's with that > awful exposed 2 wheel draw bar. Well "THEY ARE HERE". Our first batch > came in today and they do just what they were designed for. Now the > A&P's can look sooooooooo much better and for very little. These are > made for the A&P's with the 3/8" wide x 1/16" thick, black color draw > bar ONLY. They are a 4 piece cast metal unit which slips on in a few > seconds and down the track you go. A "truly enjoyable experience". > FOR FURTHER INFO. "PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP". For those of you that > are interested they can be viewed at the link below: > > http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html > > Thank you all for your continuing support. > Dave > > LBR Enterprises, llc > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64165	From: C Robert	Date: 4/8/2011
Subject: Special on Circus Engine

Hi Group. I've reduced my Circus engine on my website to $225 from $265! Paint is not the best, but its a played with Circus engine as usual. Check out this SPECIAL NOW at www.americanflyertrains4u.com. Thanks for looking. Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64166	From: charlie and edith	Date: 4/8/2011
Subject: Speaker/whistle Question

Greetings! Just finished installing a speaker in the tender of a K335....in testing it and the other engines I have that "whistle", all worked well except the 326. The 326 "whistles", but has audible "static" constantly. The others were quiet as they traveled over the same track. Is there a solution for quieting this speaker or a repair I need to make? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie in W MI [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64167	From: Dave	Date: 4/9/2011
Subject: 1949 "CANNON BALL" Tri-Axle

We have added one more "PAZAN" tractor & trailer unit to our web site but these are super rare and hard to come by. 1949 GMC "CANNON BALL" tri-axle tractor with a 40' McLean all metal trailer. For those of you that are interested it may be viewed by using our link below: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page08.html "PLEASE", for further info. contact us "OFF GROUP". Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64168	From: JohnB	Date: 4/9/2011
Subject: Re: Updated electronics #343 Switcher

This discussion, although somewhat dated, is of great interest to me. I recently acquired a 1956 #343 0-8-0 switcher, the one with the e-unit behind the cab and covered with a plastic shell. I got it on E-bay from a guy who advertised it as being in "very good condition". It wasn't. After a gentle but thorough cleaning much paint loss was revealed. I have since repainted the entire engine and tender being very careful not to cover over any part of the numbers and letters. It looks pretty good to my amateur eye. Yes, I know, value is diminished because it is not original but in this case original was downright awful to look at. The engine lights up but the motor does not run. I am thinking about changing to a can motor and electronic e-unit or selling it. I have another #343 and a #342 anyway. Again, I am a rookie. Could anyone tell me what a fair price would be for it? In addition to repainting I replaced both knuckle couplers. There was some rust on the undercarriage of the tender that I was able to mitigate completely. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > I am a firm believer in going straight DC power and can motors for smooth operation. However, having said that, I can tell you from experience that it is NOT the way to go as a collector. > Collectability of any vintage thing, be it toy trains or vintage cars (a subject I also know something about) is damaged with every change from the original. > In vintage automobiles, the Restored Car is in demand by those who want to collect and display their items, and possibly drive them on occassion. > Those who wish to drive an old car often, and want it to be up to date in reliability and drivability are considered Street Rodders, or Custom Car people. There has long been animosity between Hot Rodders and Restorers. Worse than between those who collect old toy trains and those who want to modify and run them all the time. (Although, I was once "called out" into the parking lot at an S Spree for making a 2-8-0 out of a #343 0-8-0 which I rebuilt from junk.) > I would suggest that really valuable old American Flyer trains should remain in original or restored condition. This protects their heritage and your investment. > If you want to operate often and with the reliability of modern can motors, and electronic reverese units or no reverse unit on DC power, do so with items of lesser value. Or as I do, rebuild them from junk box finds where there is no question of value or rarity. > I know that many avid collectors disagree with my way of playing with old trains. However, to me a shelf full of machinery that never runs is like going to the zoo to see stuffed animals. > Stumpy Stone...formerly known as the Mad Butcher in eastern Ahia. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64169	From: JohnB	Date: 4/9/2011
Subject: WTB: Reefer

I am looking for a knuckle-coupled reefer for a custom repaint and re-badge. If anyone has a beater they would like to get rid of, please contact me at catalinajack6@.... Light rust is not an issue for me. Box should otherwise be intact.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64170	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/9/2011
Subject: Neil Young and York 1994

The author of Neil Young’s biography went to York in 1994. The author writes that he is riding in a long limousine, rocketing toward York, PA, on his way to meet Shakey (Neil’s fake name he uses). The writer was summoned to met Neil at York, due to the death of Kurt Cobain, as this hit Neil real hard, on April 8, 1994. Neil was attending a Train Collectors’ (notice the ‘ after Collectors in the book) Association convention (Okay so it not a convention, but a division meet! getting mentioned like this is free publicity, even if most reading the book has no idea and did not really care about the TCA) in York, PA, for the unveiling of Lionel’s new Liontech offerings. He wanted me (the author) on the next flight. Okay allot of this is word for word from the book. The limo pulled into the York Holiday Inn. A traveling fair was set up in the parking lot, amusement rides (really?) blaring in the night. Just another surreal setting to meet Shakey (Neil). Well –kept older homes, tree-lined streets, picket fences and home-cooked meals: York was middle America. Neil’s kind of place. Lionel’s demonstration tent was packed. The buzz concerning the new technology had spread quickly, and train buffs were squeezed in around a table, craning to hear an explanation of the system from Young himself. I thought of the rock fans who would sell their soul to get this close. But most of these folks didn’t seem to have a clue who Young was other than some longhaired guy with a really cool remote unit in his hand, and that suited him fine. (too funny, as its gets better) One old codger (hey, I am just writing what is written in the book, as this is 17 years ago, not sure if this member is still alive as I have no clue who he could be, but maybe someone might know due to his tie?) – at least eighty, wearing a wooden tie with a steam engine painted on it – stood at the edge of the layout, his eyes wide as saucers as he listened to the unit with Liontech’s new sound system chugging around the track. “It sounds so real!” he gasped. Sunday morning the author tagged along s Young made the rounds of the dealers, seeking items for his own collection. (I wonder if this is the bandit meets, as York is not on Sunday. And if the tent was a members only affair, how did Neil get him in the tent? Was the tent off the fairgrounds and somewhere else?) (Now the next is great, as I can relate to his speed in the halls and we all can relate to the money part of it) He moved fast, scanning quickly. (I do that! Nearly ran Jerry Matsick over at a meet one time!) One dealer congratulated him on his recent Oscar nomination: this did not stop Neil from bargaining the guy down a few hundred for a train he coveted. (too funny again, as this show you he is a regular guy after all!) Young was in a ecstatic mood. (Neil can get real moody and fast, leaving the studio and a concert) Everyone was talking about the system, (except me!) even his former cohorts from QSI. Fred Severson had bounded right over the first day of the show with his good wishes. But what Young got a kick out of was the reaction from his partner, Richard Kughn. As a last minute touch, Young had stuck Kughn’s initials on one of the prototypes. “It looked real funky, but it’s all he could talk about,” said Young, smiling. “Neil, about the prototypes – they really should be in the Lionel Museum”” Young grinned. “They weren’t nearly as valuable until I put the lettering on them. Kughn wants those prototypes so bad he can taste it.” The end. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64171	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/9/2011
Subject: Re: Updated electronics #343 Switcher

A can motor that will fit in it, and an electronic reverse unit (Dallee) cost $72-$75 depending on who you buy them from. Your loco in "restored" but not running condition is PROBABLY worth in the neighborhood of $200 Steve....SnS Trains.....Boise In a message dated 4/9/2011 4:25:37 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, catalinajack6@... writes: This discussion, although somewhat dated, is of great interest to me. I recently acquired a 1956 #343 0-8-0 switcher, the one with the e-unit behind the cab and covered with a plastic shell. I got it on E-bay from a guy who advertised it as being in "very good condition". It wasn't. After a gentle but thorough cleaning much paint loss was revealed. I have since repainted the entire engine and tender being very careful not to cover over any part of the numbers and letters. It looks pretty good to my amateur eye. Yes, I know, value is diminished because it is not original but in this case original was downright awful to look at. The engine lights up but the motor does not run. I am thinking about changing to a can motor and electronic e-unit or selling it. I have another #343 and a #342 anyway. Again, I am a rookie. Could anyone tell me what a fair price would be for it? In addition to repainting I replaced both knuckle couplers. There was some rust on the undercarriage of the tender that I was able to mitigate completely. --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64172	From: Dave	Date: 4/10/2011
Subject: ATLANTIC Front Coupler

COMING IN JULY Due in by July, two new items for our AF parts page at our ON-LINE-SALES web site. The first item is a CAST METAL, SPRING LOADED front coupler for AF ATLANTIC steam engines 1953 - 1965. This unit will install in about a minute with out damaging anything on the engine. The second item is a CAST PLASTIC DECK that is used to convert your Atlantic tender into a slope back unit. This deck comes with instructions and should be a real treat for the kit bashing hobbyist. That you all for your continuing support. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP FOR FURTHER INFO. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64173	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 4/10/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Front Coupler

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > > COMING IN JULY > > Due in by July, two new items for our AF parts page at our ON-LINE-SALES web site. > The first item is a CAST METAL, SPRING LOADED front coupler for AF ATLANTIC steam engines 1953 - 1965. This unit will install in about a minute with out damaging anything on the engine. > The second item is a CAST PLASTIC DECK that is used to convert your Atlantic tender into a slope back unit. This deck comes with instructions and should be a real treat for the kit bashing hobbyist. > That you all for your continuing support. > PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP FOR FURTHER INFO. > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc Cool...more new products for AF locos; can't wait to see them. Mark in Oregon >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64174	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 4/10/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Front Coupler

Mark,      We are also working on a new boiler front for the Atlantic with a center head light and number board with vertical marker lights as the real engines had. Should be just super for the kit bashers. This will fit the earlier Atlantics with the removable boiler front. To install in the plastic units or metal ones with out removable fronts the boiler front will have to be cut away to install it.      Thanks to all for taking the time to read this. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc --- On Sun, 4/10/11, Mark Mugnai <mugnai@...> wrote: From: Mark Mugnai <mugnai@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: ATLANTIC Front Coupler To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 10, 2011, 11:33 AM   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > > COMING IN JULY > > Due in by July, two new items for our AF parts page at our ON-LINE-SALES web site. > The first item is a CAST METAL, SPRING LOADED front coupler for AF ATLANTIC steam engines 1953 - 1965. This unit will install in about a minute with out damaging anything on the engine. > The second item is a CAST PLASTIC DECK that is used to convert your Atlantic tender into a slope back unit. This deck comes with instructions and should be a real treat for the kit bashing hobbyist. > That you all for your continuing support. > PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP FOR FURTHER INFO. > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc Cool...more new products for AF locos; can't wait to see them. Mark in Oregon > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64175	From: Timboy	Date: 4/10/2011
Subject: Re: Universal motor- DC experts please chime in on rectifier h...

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > Tim, > > I am thinking that maybe good ones are hard to find, but it would be > good to be able to test them. I bought some AC fields from SnS trains, > and tried to buy some DC fields, but he wasn't selling the DC fields. > I do know that AF DC locomotives came with a "bridge" to cover the > armature. I think this was for two reasons. First to keep the motor, > especially the armature opening, from picking up stray metallic objects > from the track and second to provide the bridge to keep the magnet > "charged." > > I also wonder if the AC armatures would work any better if leads to the > brushes were run in series with a resistor to make up for the resistance > that the now missing AC field provided. It would probably be one to > two ohms. Doesn't seem like much of a difference, but the resistance of > the AC armature is about 1.5 ohms and the DC armature is 2.3-2.9. The > AC field would add another 1.4 ohms for a similar total of 2.9 ohms. I > am not sure but I think that would mean that the AC armature, running > without a field, would draw more current than the DC armature. Maybe > some of the electrical experts out there can explain this better. > > Dale > On 4/7/2011 4:39 PM, Timboy wrote: > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > Dale Smith <dfsmith26@> wrote: > > > > > > First of all, in retrospect, I think my use of the term "theoretical" > > > may have only replied to one of the points and that is as to the > > > armatures. The other point, the diminished magnetic capacity of 60+ > > > year old permanent magnets has been discussed on this list on several > > > occasions, as has the need to keep the poles connected when removing > > the > > > magnets to prevent demagnetization. I try to learn from the experience > > > of others and this list has been a major source of my education. This > > > de-magnetization problem has often been noted as an argument for using > > > can motors. > > > > > > As to the armatures, I figure that Bob Hannon's book is pretty much > > > authoritative as to motor specifications and since he clearly notes > > that > > > the armatures for AC and DC are different, I accept that. I also think > > > that A.C. Gilbert's engineers would have loved it if they could have > > > made one armature for both applications, but they didn't do that, so I > > > assume they had a reason for it. > > > > > > In any case, let me know what the results of your experiments are if > > you > > > switch out the field. I would be interested in whether there is any > > > possible overheating or overspeed running of the motor. > > > > > > Have fun. > > > > > > Dale > > > > > > On 4/7/2011 7:15 AM, Timboy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > Dale Smith <dfsmith26@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I think there are a couple of theoretical reasons why this would not > > > > > work well. > > > > Hi Dale, > > > > With all due respect, I'm not too excited about theory on my level as > > > > a home hobbyist. I'll leave that up to the research scientists. lol I > > > > put a whole lot more stock into what I find actually works or not. I > > > > always say that there is one sure way to find out something. That is > > > > to set up an experiment and observe what happens. It is exactly > > what I > > > > would do if I wanted to tinker with swapping out an AC field for a DC > > > > field in a steamer. And that is the whole basis of the content of my > > > > blog. A theorist recently on another forum gave me a stern warning > > > > that my method of block control using separate transformers would not > > > > work and was dangerous. I prove him wrong each and every day that I > > > > run my trains. > > > > > > > > So, my plea to everyone is to experiment and share what you find out > > > > with all of us! > > > > > > > > http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Timboy > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm wondering if there is a field test (pun intended) to determine if > > a DC field has lost any magnetism. I see them for sale from time to > > time at train shows. We can speculate that after 60+ years, a DC field > > may have lost magnetism, yet we really don't know if it has or not > > unless we take it home and find out by test-running with a matching > > armature. Maybe that is why they show up on eBay every now and then. lol > > > > Thanks for your encouragement! I appreciate it. Whenever I discover or > > invent something, I always make a post about it on my blog and inform > > the S Gauge forums I belong to. > > > > Regards, > > Timboy > > Dale, I appreciate your thought process on this subject. I think the bottom line for me is that there really is no gain in switching out AC fields for DC fields, since I run all my locos in forward anyway. Probably the best bet for anyone else who may be considering switching from AC to DC is simply to use a plug 'n play can motor of their choosing. Thanks again, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64176	From: lionely6b	Date: 4/10/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Front Coupler

Dave, Just to pass along a bit of info, the Reading P7sa Atlantic that Gilbert modeled had its headlight near the TOP of the smoke box front. For the rest of the key details, see: http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/rdg350s.jpg http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/rdg/rdg-s350.jpg Within the restraints of a very affordable model train, Gilbert did a very good job of modeling this engine. Cheers, Bob Bubeck --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > > Mark, >      We are also working on a new boiler front for the Atlantic with a center head light and number board with vertical marker lights as the real engines had. Thanks to all for taking the time to read this. > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64177	From: Linda Hansen	Date: 4/10/2011
Subject: Message for posting

I have a figure 8 with 4 switches which also makes a circle. Looking for wiring diagrams or instructions because it keeps shorting out when I operate the switches. Am looking for all the help I can get.....thanks in advance!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64178	From: Martin A. Johnson	Date: 4/10/2011
Subject: Re: 1949 "CANNON BALL" Tri-Axle

Dave, I feel you need to clarify your posts and website. You are advertising as they are Barrand Pazan trucks, when in reality, only some are. You have pictures a Winross White COE, and a Hartoy Ford F-7. If Pazan has painted these other trucks, they would be "customized by Pazan". Also, please use correct terminology. It is NOT a 1949 GMC Cannonball Tri-Axle. In trucks, axles are counted by "Drivers" or "Driven Axels", the steer axle does not count. For example, a single axle truck or tractor (truck pulling portion, not agricultural tractor) has a steer axle, and 1 Rear drive axle, a Tandem, has 2 drive axles, and a tri-axle has 3 rear axles. In some cases, a "Tag" axle has been added to the rear, for carrying more weight, there are just a weight bearing axle, not "driven" by a power source. Please take this as constructive criticism, not as negative. I'm so happy to see the decals and such you offer for these older trucks, as most of the 1/64th die-cast truck hobby, is modern trucks. Marty [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64179	From: Richard Purnell	Date: 4/10/2011
Subject: PA's

Can anyone tell me which Flyonel PAs have can motors and which have motors like the AC Gilbert PAs. Thank You Dick Purnell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64180	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 4/10/2011
Subject: Re: Message for posting

Put a finger on one rail at one end of the figure 8. Run your finger along that rail through the middle of the figure 8 to the other end. Continue from there around the outside circle back to your starting point. Lo and behold! Your finger is on the other tail, not the one you started on! That's why it's shorting out. The outer rail on one end of rhe figure 8 is the inner rail on the other end. Sorry, you simply can't do what you want to do. On Apr 10, 2011, at 9:56 AM, "Linda Hansen" <lindahan@...> wrote: I have a figure 8 with 4 switches which also makes a circle. Looking for wiring diagrams or instructions because it keeps shorting out when I operate the switches. Am looking for all the help I can get.....thanks in advance!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64181	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 4/10/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Front Coupler

Bob,      Right you are. The Atlantic came in many forms for many R.R.'s. We are refering to another style. Dave LBR Enterrises, llc --- On Sun, 4/10/11, lionely6b <rbubeck327@...> wrote: From: lionely6b <rbubeck327@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: ATLANTIC Front Coupler To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 10, 2011, 2:27 PM   Dave, Just to pass along a bit of info, the Reading P7sa Atlantic that Gilbert modeled had its headlight near the TOP of the smoke box front. For the rest of the key details, see: http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/rdg350s.jpg http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/rdg/rdg-s350.jpg Within the restraints of a very affordable model train, Gilbert did a very good job of modeling this engine. Cheers, Bob Bubeck --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > > Mark, >      We are also working on a new boiler front for the Atlantic with a center head light and number board with vertical marker lights as the real engines had. Thanks to all for taking the time to read this. > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64182	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 4/10/2011
Subject: Re: Message for posting

Not seeing the actual layout, it does sound as though you have some reversing loops for which special switches are necessary to reverse the electrical polarity. Additionally, are you running AC, DC, DCC, etc. regards, Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 4/10/2011 6:56 PM, Linda Hansen wrote: > > I have a figure 8 with 4 switches which also makes a circle. Looking > for wiring diagrams or instructions because it keeps shorting out when > I operate the switches. Am looking for all the help I can > get.....thanks in advance!! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64183	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/10/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/10/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday April 10, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64184	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/10/2011
Subject: Re: PA's

Hi Dick, The 8150 Southern Pacific and the 8153 B&O Alco units were both powered with armatures and fields. All other Lionel productions were can motors. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Richard Purnell <Dmjp@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 3:11:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] PA's Can anyone tell me which Flyonel PAs have can motors and which have motors like the AC Gilbert PAs. Thank You Dick Purnell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64185	From: Alan Evans	Date: 4/10/2011
Subject: Timken TOFC Spree Cars shipping

The 2011 S Spree Timken TOFC cars from American Models have arrived. If you have not ordered, don't hesitate. Only 100 each Timken Trailer On Flat Car on either B & O or Pennsy flatcar, scale or hi rail (please specify). An Order form is on cosg.org along with picture. - Alan Evans [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64186	From: aztecfan	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Putting some Independence Hall buildings together for school ed proj

I have a nice collection of original Plasticville so this is not about me. I have a lot extra parts for the Independence Hall building. Some are cream colored and most red brick. I am sure many of of have extra parts as well. So my though was to see if could put a few buildings together from spare parts. Let me know what you have. I did not want to use mint buildings for school projects. I also would like to find a source figures that could be used in a display. Perhaps it might be better to pick up some complete buildings if shipping costs run to high. Let me know what you have and I'll see if I can round up enough parts on paper so see if I can get a complete building. Thanks in advance. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64187	From: Scott	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Repainting 960 Class Coaches

I recently purchased a 960, 2 962s, and a 963 at a local swap meet. I got a great deal, but the chrome was in bad shape. Instead of getting the chrome redone (the chrome rework would cost more than the I paid for the coaches). I, however, found a great chrome paint that looks just as good. The only problem I face are the name plates. I would like to keep those plates original, but I do not know how to remove and reattach them or how to mask them. Any help will be appreciated. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64188	From: John McAlonan	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Front Coupler

...Just to pass along a bit of info, the Reading P7sa Atlantic that Gilbert modeled had its headlight near the TOP of the smoke box front. For the rest of the key details, see: http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/rdg350s.jpg http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/rdg/rdg-s350.jpg Within the restraints of a very affordable model train, Gilbert did a very good job of modeling this engine. John "Mac" McAlonan I loved those photo's of the 350. I created a Reading Green Atlantic with three coaches and had a few paint questions which your photo answered. Finally! Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64189	From: Mike Andrzejewski	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: Repainting 960 Class Coaches

Hi Scott, Sorry I don't have an answer for you, but I was wondering what brand of chrome paint you plan to use. Thanks, Mike A. ________________________________ From: Scott <scottmmiller1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 9:24:51 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Repainting 960 Class Coaches I recently purchased a 960, 2 962s, and a 963 at a local swap meet. I got a great deal, but the chrome was in bad shape. Instead of getting the chrome redone (the chrome rework would cost more than the I paid for the coaches). I, however, found a great chrome paint that looks just as good. The only problem I face are the name plates. I would like to keep those plates original, but I do not know how to remove and reattach them or how to mask them. Any help will be appreciated. Scott [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64190	From: SMMW	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Smoky Mtn kits at Chesterfield Hobbies

Chesterfield Hobbies in Virginia has the following of my S scale resin kits still available. These are out of production and will not be rerun. Contact the shop directly at chsthobb@... or (804) 379-9091 to order. (3) 64-W3 (wood rack - C&O) (1) 64-W1 (wood rack - Southern Roman) (1) 64-G2 (Southern low side gon - block font decals) Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. Ph. (828) 777-5619 <www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64191	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Pre War AF parts

I have a friend looking for a supplier in pre war AF parts. Any suggestions? Thanks, mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64192	From: John Davis	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Atlantic Boiler Front/ Headlight From 342

As those of you ponder new products for this application, I bought a "junker" 300 Atlantic, with the old style removable front and it had a 342/343 style boiler front & headlight. It fits perfectly and creats a distinctive appearance, with its elevated and visored headlight.  Plus, it's totally reversible if a restoration is in the cards for your 4-4-2.   john davis Noblesville IN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64193	From: John M	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Aluminum car polish

I reviewed the file base this morning and found reference to "Mother's Mag and Aluminum wheel" polish. A quick trip to Auto-Zone and away we went. I have a 660 that looks like it just left the Hall of Science. I posted two photos in a file named Polish. I think the original posts were from David and Mike. Thanks, guys. Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64194	From: plotnick@earthlink.net	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Rail Zeppelin Project - Stage 1

At the Great Midwest Train show yesterday, I noticed a tin plate train that I decided would make a great starting point for building a rail zeppelin. See photos at: Photo Albums: Roy's Layout and Projects. My plan is to strip this down, clean off the rust, paint silver, and add flyer compatible wheel sets. I will then hit the a local hobby shop for a battery powered airplane engine. Will keep everyone informed of progress. I have also added a photo of a dinosaur excavation in progress on my layout, the Yellow Brick Railroad. More photos to follow. - Roy Plotnick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64195	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: Pre War AF parts

Doug Peck at Portline Hobbies has Pre War AF parts Mike. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64196	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: Repainting 960 Class Coaches

My auto modeling buddies turned me on to Alclad. It's avaialable in spray cans. It requires a gloss black base coat but provides a nice chrome finish.   Bob --- On Mon, 4/11/11, Mike Andrzejewski <mike_a_2001@...> wrote: From: Mike Andrzejewski <mike_a_2001@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Repainting 960 Class Coaches To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 11, 2011, 10:55 AM   Hi Scott, Sorry I don't have an answer for you, but I was wondering what brand of chrome paint you plan to use. Thanks, Mike A. ________________________________ From: Scott <scottmmiller1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 9:24:51 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Repainting 960 Class Coaches I recently purchased a 960, 2 962s, and a 963 at a local swap meet. I got a great deal, but the chrome was in bad shape. Instead of getting the chrome redone (the chrome rework would cost more than the I paid for the coaches). I, however, found a great chrome paint that looks just as good. The only problem I face are the name plates. I would like to keep those plates original, but I do not know how to remove and reattach them or how to mask them. Any help will be appreciated. Scott [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64197	From: tjm	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Front Coupler

As a bit of hearsay, I was told once long ago that the AF Atlantic was modeled after the Reading's oddball 4-4-4 (later rebuilt as an Atlantic). Cannot remember who or when, but he had a large book of engine photos and the 4-4-4 was, except for the trailing truck, a dead ringer for the AF Atlantic - including what seems to be a longer firebox than the normal Reading Atlantic had, and a lot less visible piping. http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/rdg110sa.jpg (but this has the headlight centered, not the same as in the unknown book). Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64198	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: Rail Zeppelin Project - Stage 1

I thought everyone might like to see some good old Yankee know how and surplus engines. Notice the resemblance of the two front windows to F-unit numberboards. That's cause they are. http://jalopnik.com/#!359202/new-york-centrals-m+497-jet-powered-train From: plotnick@... Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 16:21:49 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Rail Zeppelin Project - Stage 1 At the Great Midwest Train show yesterday, I noticed a tin plate train that I decided would make a great starting point for building a rail zeppelin. See photos at: Photo Albums: Roy's Layout and Projects. My plan is to strip this down, clean off the rust, paint silver, and add flyer compatible wheel sets. I will then hit the a local hobby shop for a battery powered airplane engine. Will keep everyone informed of progress. I have also added a photo of a dinosaur excavation in progress on my layout, the Yellow Brick Railroad. More photos to follow. - Roy Plotnick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64199	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: Pre War AF parts

Thanks Bob, I will let Ken know. www.portlines.com Mike From: Bob Iannacone Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 12:44 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Pre War AF parts Doug Peck at Portline Hobbies has Pre War AF parts Mike. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64200	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: PA's

Tom, I thought the 1981 version of the B&O 8153,8154,8155 Alco's also have the double-worm motors simular to the Gilbert motors, while the 1983 version has can motors. Ref: Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer S-Gauge, Vol. II, page 173. Rich > Hi Dick, > The 8150 Southern Pacific and the 8153 B&O Alco units were > both powered with armatures and fields. All other Lionel productions were can > motors. > > Tom Seccia > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Richard Purnell <Dmjp@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 3:11:27 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] PA's > > > Can anyone tell me which Flyonel PAs have can motors and which have motors like > the AC Gilbert PAs. > > Thank You > Dick Purnell > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64201	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: Aluminum car polish

Mac. You are welcome, as yes, I was one who posted about the polish, as doesn’t it do a wonderful job? And I think David is Bull Gator. I was told by the person who told me about this to polish it several times, as it gets better, the car Mike From: John M Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 12:13 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Aluminum car polish I reviewed the file base this morning and found reference to "Mother's Mag and Aluminum wheel" polish. A quick trip to Auto-Zone and away we went. I have a 660 that looks like it just left the Hall of Science. I posted two photos in a file named Polish. I think the original posts were from David and Mike. Thanks, guys. Mac [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64202	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: Rail Zeppelin Project - Stage 1

I found some photos of 2 different jet p[owered trains one Russian one US New York Central. I know nothing of the Russian example but the NYC version was builot from a Budd RDC using the engines and engine pod from a B-36 bomber. The front windows are from an F-unit that sacrificed it's numberboards for the project. During testing it hit speeds of about 183mph and that is as far as the project went when it was abandoned the unit was restored to an RDC and sold by Conrail. you can see pics in the photo album titled jet trains. Bob in Butte To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com From: danceswithwolves49@... Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:45:21 -0600 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Rail Zeppelin Project - Stage 1 I thought everyone might like to see some good old Yankee know how and surplus engines. Notice the resemblance of the two front windows to F-unit numberboards. That's cause they are. http://jalopnik.com/#!359202/new-york-centrals-m+497-jet-powered-train From: plotnick@... Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 16:21:49 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Rail Zeppelin Project - Stage 1 At the Great Midwest Train show yesterday, I noticed a tin plate train that I decided would make a great starting point for building a rail zeppelin. See photos at: Photo Albums: Roy's Layout and Projects. My plan is to strip this down, clean off the rust, paint silver, and add flyer compatible wheel sets. I will then hit the a local hobby shop for a battery powered airplane engine. Will keep everyone informed of progress. I have also added a photo of a dinosaur excavation in progress on my layout, the Yellow Brick Railroad. More photos to follow. - Roy Plotnick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64203	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: York Hotel

if anyone is still looking for a room for York, I just cancel my reservation for Friday night at the Best Western in York. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64204	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: Aluminum car polish

Hi Mike and Mac, The mag wheel polish works great with a micro-fiber cloth. You can polish until the cows come home, then hit it with a little more polish and the micro-fiber cloth will turn black again! So get a bundle of micro-fiber clothes because it will take several per aluminum car. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Mac. > You are welcome, as yes, I was one who posted about the polish, as doesn’t it do a wonderful job? And I think David is Bull Gator. > I was told by the person who told me about this to polish it several times, as it gets better, the car > Mike > From: John M > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 12:13 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Aluminum car polish > > > I reviewed the file base this morning and found reference to "Mother's Mag and Aluminum wheel" polish. A quick trip to Auto-Zone and away we went. I have a 660 that looks like it just left the Hall of Science. I posted two photos in a file named Polish. I think the original posts were from David and Mike. Thanks, guys. > Mac > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64205	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: Rail Zeppelin Project - Stage 1

Apparently that link won't work. I have pics of it and a Russian one when I figure out how to post them I will Bob in Butte To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com From: danceswithwolves49@... Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:45:21 -0600 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Rail Zeppelin Project - Stage 1 I thought everyone might like to see some good old Yankee know how and surplus engines. Notice the resemblance of the two front windows to F-unit numberboards. That's cause they are. http://jalopnik.com/#!359202/new-york-centrals-m+497-jet-powered-train From: plotnick@... Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 16:21:49 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Rail Zeppelin Project - Stage 1 At the Great Midwest Train show yesterday, I noticed a tin plate train that I decided would make a great starting point for building a rail zeppelin. See photos at: Photo Albums: Roy's Layout and Projects. My plan is to strip this down, clean off the rust, paint silver, and add flyer compatible wheel sets. I will then hit the a local hobby shop for a battery powered airplane engine. Will keep everyone informed of progress. I have also added a photo of a dinosaur excavation in progress on my layout, the Yellow Brick Railroad. More photos to follow. - Roy Plotnick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64206	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: Repainting 960 Class Coaches

Misroscale used to have a glue that would attach aluminum foil to plastic. I never used it myself but a friend of mine did a fluted side passenger car with the stuff and it looked great. He would apply the foil in sheets that he cut to represent 4 x 8 sheets of aluminum or stainless steel depending on which side of the foil was facing out. He'd apply the glue to the side facing in and apply the panel and press it in place with finger pressure to get the foil to conform to ther fluting and around window openings. He would put several slits in window openings so as to get the foil to bend inside the openings and look as it was supposed to. I have not checked but Des Plaines Hobbies who bought out Microscale might have this cement in their inventory. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: canambob91710k@... Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:45:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Repainting 960 Class Coaches My auto modeling buddies turned me on to Alclad. It's avaialable in spray cans. It requires a gloss black base coat but provides a nice chrome finish. Bob --- On Mon, 4/11/11, Mike Andrzejewski <mike_a_2001@...> wrote: From: Mike Andrzejewski <mike_a_2001@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Repainting 960 Class Coaches To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 11, 2011, 10:55 AM Hi Scott, Sorry I don't have an answer for you, but I was wondering what brand of chrome paint you plan to use. Thanks, Mike A. ________________________________ From: Scott <scottmmiller1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 9:24:51 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Repainting 960 Class Coaches I recently purchased a 960, 2 962s, and a 963 at a local swap meet. I got a great deal, but the chrome was in bad shape. Instead of getting the chrome redone (the chrome rework would cost more than the I paid for the coaches). I, however, found a great chrome paint that looks just as good. The only problem I face are the name plates. I would like to keep those plates original, but I do not know how to remove and reattach them or how to mask them. Any help will be appreciated. Scott [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64207	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: PA's

Hi Rich, That was my response to Dick. I also included the 8150 Southern Pacific Alco. 8154 and 8155 are "B" Units No Power Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 4:04:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: PA's Tom, I thought the 1981 version of the B&O 8153,8154,8155 Alco's also have the double-worm motors simular to the Gilbert motors, while the 1983 version has can motors. Ref: Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer S-Gauge, Vol. II, page 173. Rich > Hi Dick, > The 8150 Southern Pacific and the 8153 B&O Alco units were > > both powered with armatures and fields. All other Lionel productions were can > motors. > > Tom Seccia > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Richard Purnell <Dmjp@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 3:11:27 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] PA's > > > Can anyone tell me which Flyonel PAs have can motors and which have motors >like > > the AC Gilbert PAs. > > Thank You > Dick Purnell > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64208	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: PA's

Tom, The point I was trying to make is that the 1983 version of the B&O 8153 has can moters. I had read your reply to Dick as implying that all 8153's are powered with armature and field type motors. In other words: SP 8150, made in 1981: Armature and Field type motors. B&O 8153, made in 1981: Armature and Field type motors. B&O 8153, made in 1983: Can motors. All other Lionel production Alco PA's motored units: Can motors. Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi Rich, > That was my response to Dick. I also included the 8150 > Southern Pacific Alco. 8154 and 8155 are "B" Units No Power > > Tom Seccia > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 4:04:10 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: PA's > > > > > Tom, I thought the 1981 version of the B&O 8153,8154,8155 Alco's also have the > double-worm motors simular to the Gilbert motors, while the 1983 version has can > motors. Ref: Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer S-Gauge, Vol. II, page 173. > Rich > > > Hi Dick, > > The 8150 Southern Pacific and the 8153 B&O Alco units were > > > > both powered with armatures and fields. All other Lionel productions were can > > motors. > > > > Tom Seccia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Richard Purnell <Dmjp@> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 3:11:27 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] PA's > > > > > > Can anyone tell me which Flyonel PAs have can motors and which have motors > >like > > > > the AC Gilbert PAs. > > > > Thank You > > Dick Purnell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64209	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: PA's

The ERIE?????? --- On Mon, 4/11/11, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: PA's To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 11, 2011, 8:45 PM   Hi Rich, That was my response to Dick. I also included the 8150 Southern Pacific Alco. 8154 and 8155 are "B" Units No Power Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 4:04:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: PA's Tom, I thought the 1981 version of the B&O 8153,8154,8155 Alco's also have the double-worm motors simular to the Gilbert motors, while the 1983 version has can motors. Ref: Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer S-Gauge, Vol. II, page 173. Rich > Hi Dick, > The 8150 Southern Pacific and the 8153 B&O Alco units were > > both powered with armatures and fields. All other Lionel productions were can > motors. > > Tom Seccia > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Richard Purnell <Dmjp@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 3:11:27 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] PA's > > > Can anyone tell me which Flyonel PAs have can motors and which have motors >like > > the AC Gilbert PAs. > > Thank You > Dick Purnell > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64210	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: Repainting 960 Class Coaches

Hi Scott, Those plates are very difficult to remover. The metal is very soft and bends and ditorts very easy. You could try heating the pins with a soldering iron and these would come out easier. You must be very careful using this method. The reproduction plates I stock are exact replicas of the originals and are new. I would suggest using the repros rather than risking damaging the cars with a soldering iron or a screwdriver. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Scott <scottmmiller1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 9:24:51 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Repainting 960 Class Coaches I recently purchased a 960, 2 962s, and a 963 at a local swap meet. I got a great deal, but the chrome was in bad shape. Instead of getting the chrome redone (the chrome rework would cost more than the I paid for the coaches). I, however, found a great chrome paint that looks just as good. The only problem I face are the name plates. I would like to keep those plates original, but I do not know how to remove and reattach them or how to mask them. Any help will be appreciated. Scott [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64211	From: lember2004	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: use Hudson to test clearances?

Hello all. I'm re-doing track on my lay-out and will have some tight fits near room walls and other obstacles. I'm assembling a "test train" to run around and see if anything bumps or scrapes. Since I do not run Northerns on my layout, I was planning to use a Hudson in the lead, based on my assumption that the width, inner and outer overhang on curves, etc of a Hudson is such that if it runs without problems, then all other Gilbert locomotives would not hit anything. Does this assumption sound correct - or am I overlooking something? [By the way, the rest of the test train will include a wrecker, a passenger car, and a flat with a circus cages load.] Thank-you! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64212	From: sgaugian	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: use Hudson to test clearances?

Would have to check my notes from last building my layout (in 2005), but i think I at the time I found the cab roof of a Northern in reverse, the pilot of a K5 Pacific and the front/rear of an AM GG1 to be the extremes in terms of overhang clearances, and a Franklin 21088 stack in terms of height.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64213	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: use Hudson to test clearances?

I assume you are not running the Frontiersman locos with the old time sets - they require extra clearance. Alistair On Tue 12/04/11 10:32 AM , "lember2004" lember2004@... sent: Hello all. I'm re-doing track on my lay-out and will have some tight fits near room walls and other obstacles. I'm assembling a "test train" to run around and see if anything bumps or scrapes. Since I do not run Northerns on my layout, I was planning to use a Hudson in the lead, based on my assumption that the width, inner and outer overhang on curves, etc of a Hudson is such that if it runs without problems, then all other Gilbert locomotives would not hit anything. Does this assumption sound correct - or am I overlooking something? [By the way, the rest of the test train will include a wrecker, a passenger car, and a flat with a circus cages load.] Thank-you! Mark ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20use%20Hudson%20to%20test%20clearances%3F [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvZGdxZWZmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NDIxMQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMDI1NzQwMjg-?act=reply&messageNum=64211 [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/64211;_ylc=X3oDMTM0ZTBsOGZsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NDIxMQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMDI1NzQwMjgEdHBjSWQDNjQyMTE- [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64214	From: sgaugian	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: Aluminum car polish

Simichrome works really well too. Google it. German product. When I had 66X aluminum cars it got them incredibly bright. I use it on steamer handrails too.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64215	From: sgaugian	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: PA's

Erie's were first with can, but had lousy electronics. Flyer provided an upgrade "kit" comprised of electronic components. You were supposed to remove the original components from the mother board and solder in the replacements. OK if you're not trying to solder for the first time. Better course of action is to replace the original reverse unit with a Dallee 400 Universal reverse unit.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64216	From: rick gough	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: Repainting 960 Class Coaches

Remove the window strips opposite the rivets; you can punch thru the windows with a punch ground down to a point and tap the rivets out enough to grab with a needle nose. Lay the car on it's side with wood slats on either side of the rivet. Most difficult part of this is removing the windows. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64217	From: femiro2002@yahoo.com	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: PA's

If I remember correctly, half the ERIE PA's were mixed due to the flyer type motors. So they might have been the last flyer type and the first can motors. Or maybe just the last flyer type motor. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> Sender: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:08:47 To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: PA's The ERIE?????? --- On Mon, 4/11/11, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: PA's To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 11, 2011, 8:45 PM   Hi Rich, That was my response to Dick. I also included the 8150 Southern Pacific Alco. 8154 and 8155 are "B" Units No Power Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 4:04:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: PA's Tom, I thought the 1981 version of the B&O 8153,8154,8155 Alco's also have the double-worm motors simular to the Gilbert motors, while the 1983 version has can motors. Ref: Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer S-Gauge, Vol. II, page 173. Rich > Hi Dick, > The 8150 Southern Pacific and the 8153 B&O Alco units were > > both powered with armatures and fields. All other Lionel productions were can > motors. > > Tom Seccia > > > > > > >________________________________ > From: Richard Purnell <Dmjp@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 3:11:27 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] PA's > > > Can anyone tell me which Flyonel PAs have can motors and which have motors >like > > the AC Gilbert PAs. > > Thank You > Dick Purnell > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64218	From: richs009	Date: 4/11/2011
Subject: Re: Aluminum car polish

I also have the 66x series of Al cars and was wondering about polishing them - so this sounds great. I have a couple of related questions. First, presumably one wants to open up the car and pull the plastic window inserts out first? Second, how well does this polish do on the cast Al end pieces? The cast 'boat tail' end of my observation car is quite a bit grayer than the Al car body. thanks, Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "John M" <macflyer@...> wrote: > > I reviewed the file base this morning and found reference to "Mother's Mag and Aluminum wheel" polish. A quick trip to Auto-Zone and away we went. I have a 660 that looks like it just left the Hall of Science. I posted two photos in a file named Polish. I think the original posts were from David and Mike. Thanks, guys. > Mac >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64219	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: Re: Aluminum car polish

Rich, You can open the car and remove the window, but be careful with the windows, very fragile. The wax does not work on the ends. Mike From: richs009 Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 12:17 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Aluminum car polish I also have the 66x series of Al cars and was wondering about polishing them - so this sounds great. I have a couple of related questions. First, presumably one wants to open up the car and pull the plastic window inserts out first? Second, how well does this polish do on the cast Al end pieces? The cast 'boat tail' end of my observation car is quite a bit grayer than the Al car body. thanks, Rich --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "John M" <macflyer@...> wrote: > > I reviewed the file base this morning and found reference to "Mother's Mag and Aluminum wheel" polish. A quick trip to Auto-Zone and away we went. I have a 660 that looks like it just left the Hall of Science. I posted two photos in a file named Polish. I think the original posts were from David and Mike. Thanks, guys. > Mac > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64220	From: Ray Puls	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: Re: Aluminum car polish

In regards to the cast ends on the aluminum cars I found the Simichrome to do a fantastic job of polishing those up also. After polishing the cast end on my set of cars I sprayed the end piece with clear acrylic and in at least ten years it has not gone dull. I would recommend while polishing these cars that you also wear the nitrile gloves that can be purchased at hardware or auto parts stores,because the oxidized aluminum can be a real pain to remove from your hands. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64221	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: Re: use Hudson to test clearances?

Hi Mark, If you are running any 350 Royal Blues or a 353 Circus Engine you may want to run a test with those. The boiler shells on those locomotives have a "O" width and may hit something on a tight curve. I was running those on my layout and I had exact "S" scale tunnel portals and the steamchect section of the loco hit the sides of the portals. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: lember2004 <lember2004@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 9:02:45 PM Subject: [S-Trains] use Hudson to test clearances? Hello all. I'm re-doing track on my lay-out and will have some tight fits near room walls and other obstacles. I'm assembling a "test train" to run around and see if anything bumps or scrapes. Since I do not run Northerns on my layout, I was planning to use a Hudson in the lead, based on my assumption that the width, inner and outer overhang on curves, etc of a Hudson is such that if it runs without problems, then all other Gilbert locomotives would not hit anything. Does this assumption sound correct - or am I overlooking something? [By the way, the rest of the test train will include a wrecker, a passenger car, and a flat with a circus cages load.] Thank-you! Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64222	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: Re: PA's

All Erie Alcos were can motors. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: "femiro2002@..." <femiro2002@...> To: S Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 11:36:39 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: PA's If I remember correctly, half the ERIE PA's were mixed due to the flyer type motors. So they might have been the last flyer type and the first can motors. Or maybe just the last flyer type motor. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> Sender: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:08:47 To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: PA's The ERIE?????? --- On Mon, 4/11/11, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: PA's To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 11, 2011, 8:45 PM Hi Rich, That was my response to Dick. I also included the 8150 Southern Pacific Alco. 8154 and 8155 are "B" Units No Power Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 4:04:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: PA's Tom, I thought the 1981 version of the B&O 8153,8154,8155 Alco's also have the double-worm motors simular to the Gilbert motors, while the 1983 version has can motors. Ref: Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer S-Gauge, Vol. II, page 173. Rich > Hi Dick, > The 8150 Southern Pacific and the 8153 B&O Alco units were > > both powered with armatures and fields. All other Lionel productions were can > motors. > > Tom Seccia > > > > > > >________________________________ > From: Richard Purnell <Dmjp@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 3:11:27 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] PA's > > > Can anyone tell me which Flyonel PAs have can motors and which have motors >like > > the AC Gilbert PAs. > > Thank You > Dick Purnell > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64223	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: Re: PA's

Hi Rich, You are correct 1983 productions were all can motors so there could be confusion if someone had a 8153. I hope Dick is reading our postings so he knows the diffrence. I bought an Erie set from Don Lorrance and he made those adjustments. My Erie Alco ran great. That was a beautiful passenger set. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 10:52:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: PA's Erie's were first with can, but had lousy electronics. Flyer provided an upgrade "kit" comprised of electronic components. You were supposed to remove the original components from the mother board and solder in the replacements. OK if you're not trying to solder for the first time. Better course of action is to replace the original reverse unit with a Dallee 400 Universal reverse unit. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64224	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: Re: Aluminum car polish

Thanks for the tip on the car ends. Mike From: Ray Puls Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 8:45 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Aluminum car polish In regards to the cast ends on the aluminum cars I found the Simichrome to do a fantastic job of polishing those up also. After polishing the cast end on my set of cars I sprayed the end piece with clear acrylic and in at least ten years it has not gone dull. I would recommend while polishing these cars that you also wear the nitrile gloves that can be purchased at hardware or auto parts stores,because the oxidized aluminum can be a real pain to remove from your hands. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64225	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: For sale: truly terrible track (really rusty rails)

I hate sending anything to the landfill unless it's truly useless and worthless. So I've been trying to figure out something that somebody might do with this stuff. Here's what I've come up with: 1. An abandoned siding with damaged cars on it, like I saw behind the St. Paul Railroad Museum. 2. A display of what happens to track after several years in a cardboard box on a shelf in a Florida garage. 3. A display of what you should never allow track to deteriorate too. There are about 50 pieces of straight track, four pieces of half straight, and 25 curves. Make offer for all or part. Sent from my iPhone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64226	From: Timboy	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: Improvements To My RR

Hi, I have made improvements and additions to my American Flyer hirail layout. To see what I've been up to lately on my RR, visit: http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64227	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: Re"Improvements to my RR

Tim, this could also be called "Improvements to my site!" I like the new one. And yes, I like the railroad too. I couldn't help but smile at your rants. We're on the same page with a LOT of those. Well done. Stumpy in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64228	From: CyberSavant	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: modifying stuff

Hi. Does anyone here make or mod stuff based on real life cars? I'm looking for some streetcars, grain cars and a sawmill. thanks Lsrry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64229	From: Mike Andrzejewski	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: Re: use Hudson to test clearances?

When I modeled in HO, I had a NMRA standards clearance gauge that could be used to determine if the equipment would clear obstacles. Based on all the input of this group so far, couldn't you determine how much space is needed for clearance and , using those dimensions, cut out your own template to use before something is built? That could save a lot of effort and time having to rebuild part of your layout to fit after the fact. Mike A. ________________________________ From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 11:28:45 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] use Hudson to test clearances? Hi Mark, If you are running any 350 Royal Blues or a 353 Circus Engine you may want to run a test with those. The boiler shells on those locomotives have a "O" width and may hit something on a tight curve. I was running those on my layout and I had exact "S" scale tunnel portals and the steamchect section of the loco hit the sides of the portals. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: lember2004 <lember2004@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 9:02:45 PM Subject: [S-Trains] use Hudson to test clearances? Hello all. I'm re-doing track on my lay-out and will have some tight fits near room walls and other obstacles. I'm assembling a "test train" to run around and see if anything bumps or scrapes. Since I do not run Northerns on my layout, I was planning to use a Hudson in the lead, based on my assumption that the width, inner and outer overhang on curves, etc of a Hudson is such that if it runs without problems, then all other Gilbert locomotives would not hit anything. Does this assumption sound correct - or am I overlooking something? [By the way, the rest of the test train will include a wrecker, a passenger car, and a flat with a circus cages load.] Thank-you! Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64230	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: TEN BUCKS per freight car. SEEBURGER ESTATE LEFTOVERS.

Gentlemen.. Please read the attached list carefully. Note the prices shown for each item are the approximate original retail prices and are NOT the current asking price. The asking prices are printed at the end of the listing. Plastic freight cars are $10 each in various bundles/bunches. Thank you for your consideration. "S"incerely.. Edward Loizeaux and Eileen Seeburger BRASS STEAM ENGINES All MINT or NEW or LIKE NEW condition except as noted. Approximate original or current retail cost shown for reference only. #33 Overland/Ajin, SP GS-4 4-8-4 #4449, OMI-1701/S Custom painted by Coast Railway Company. No sign of wear on wheels. Excellent paint job. Daylight paint scheme. Large lettering on tender. Retailed at $750+$250 paint job = $1,000. Asking price at end. #37 River Raisin Models/Boo Rim, C&O H-4 2-6-6-2 #1332, factory paint. Retailed at $2,500. Asking price at end. ---------------------------------------------------------------- BRASS DIESELS All MINT or LIKE NEW condition except as noted. Approximate original or current retail cost shown for reference only. #38 Sunset Models/Japan KMT, EMD GP-7 passenger version, unpainted, perfect condition except one truck has been unscrewed from the frame. Screws and washers are included to be reattached. MINT except for loose truck. $250. Asking price at end. OTHER STEAM LOCOMOTIVES (non brass) Approximate original or current retail cost shown for reference only. All MINT or NEW or LIKE NEW condition except as noted. #43 American Models, ATSF 4-8-4 Northern , #2920, DC with chug & smoke. Scale wheels. Almost new. Retailed at $400 Approximate original or current retail cost shown above for reference only. Asking price at the end. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------- SECTION E - PLASTIC DIESELS Approximate original or current retail cost shown for reference only. All NEW or LIKE NEW condition except as noted. #44 American Models, SP U25b (U2509), some use, excellent condition. Retailed at $190 Asking price at the end. #47 American Models, SP GP-9 #435, excellent body & paint, some wear & dirt on wheels, with dynamic brake, no loose separate parts. Retailed at $175 Asking price at the end. #52 S-Helper Service, WP SW-1 #501, switcher, SHS#00445. Retailed at $200 Asking price at the end. #52-1/2 American Models FA-2 & FB-2, Canadian Pacific, new. Retailed at $350 Asking price at the end. Plastic freight cars are grouped in bunches - also known as "batches". Each bunch (or batch), in general, is of a similar type car for the same road name or nearby road names. In some cases, there is an assortment of road names from the same region such as northeastern, western, etc. In some cases, there is no road name similarity at all. Sometimes a batch is determined by all cars being a kit, or being assembled, or being RTR or being cars in a similar condition or being from the same manufacturer. All cars are in very good or excellent condition unless otherwise stated. Some are mint, kits are new, nothing obviously missing or damaged. Assembled cars have scale wheels (some NWSL) installed and Kadee couplers (some HO and some S which work with each other just fine). The SHS cars do NOT have the AF-compatible wheels included. However, AF-compatible wheels will be provided upon request as long as the supply holds out. No AF-compatible couplers are available. Prices shown are the selling price for the complete bunch. Most bunches are for six cars, but some are for more and some are for less. Read the descriptions carefully. Terms and conditions are listed at the end along with contact information for Eileen Seeburger. There is no need to contact me to place your order. Thanks.Ed Loizeaux PLASTIC FREIGHT CARS Approximate original or current retail cost shown for reference only. #83 One batch of 8 PRS box car kits. New, no trucks, no couplers, colors of various detail parts do not match color of body, mint bodies. Retailed at $45 per car. Asking price at the end ---50' double door (DD), BN #231890, green ---50' single door (SD), IC#25833, brown ---50', SD, IC#523352, orange ---40', DD, SR#272679, brown ---40' SD, Erie#80031, brown ---40' SD, Rio Grande Cookie #60028, white ---40' SD, NS#25619, brown ---40', SD, FEC#21023, brown #87 One batch of six PRS and/or Des Plaines Hobbies (DPH) kits, all 40' box cars with trucks, no couplers. Retailed at $45 per car. Asking price at the end ---C&EI with Viking roof, brown, DPS8926 ---Three of PRS 1937 AAR P&LE, one each of 1940, 1945 and 1955 paint schemes ---Two of Mpls & St. Louis 1937 AAR #91 One batch of six PRS box car kits, trucks as noted, no couplers. Retailed at $45 per car. Asking price at the end ---40', SD, CN (white leaf), with trucks ---40', SD, CP RAIL (1969), no trucks ---40', SD, CP RAIL (1969), with trucks ---50', SD, Undec, painted (no lettering), with trucks ---50', DD, CN (green door lumber service), with trucks ---50', SD, UP (1999 NASG convention car), trucks = ??? #92 One batch of six PRS 40' box car kits, trucks as noted, no couplers. Retailed at $45 per car. Asking price at the end. ---NH 1941 paint scheme (brown), B-417, no trucks, doors = ??? ---B&O Timesaver (brown with white lettering), with trucks, doors = ??? ---SD, Erie-Lackawanna (red with white lettering), no trucks ---SD, E-L (gray & maroon 1960 scheme), with trucks ---SD, C&O (progress scheme), with trucks ---SD, NYC (Pacemaker red & gray scheme), with trucks #93 One batch of six PRS box cars. Some kits, some assembled. Retailed at $45 per car. Asking price at the end ---50', DD, NYC (green), B-551, with trucks, kit ---50', SD, NYC (green), B-551, with trucks, kit ---50', SD, Painted without lettering, with trucks, kit ---50', SD, NP, with trucks, kit ---50', SD, SP, B-511, ASSEMBLED, blemishes around doors, some glue smears, couplers = ??? ---40', SD, ATSF (El Capitan), ACE trucks, KD#5 couplers, ASSEMBLED Item #94 One batch of six ASSEMBLED PRS box cars with trucks. Retailed at $45 per car. Asking price at the end. ---50' DD (double door), GN, KD#802 couplers ---50' DD, CN, no couplers ---50' DD, WP (brown with feather), no couplers ---40' DD, WP (brown), KD#5 couplers ---40' SD (single door), SP (silver overnight), KD#5 ---40' SD, MONON, ACE trucks, KD#5, broken ladder and broken grab irons #99 One batch of four "wooden" SHS box cars with scale wheels. Some with Kadee couplers. AF-compatible wheels available upon request (not installed). AF couplers not available. Retailed at $45 per car. Asking price at the end. ---SS, PRR #564281, no couplers ---SS, B&O #167051, KD#5 ---SS, IHB #938, NWSL wheels, KD#802 ---DS, B&M #2, #70073, no couplers #100 One batch of four SHS "rebuilt" box cars with scale wheels and Kadee couplers. AF-compatible wheels available upon request (not installed). AF couplers not available. Retailed at $45 per car. Asking price at the end. ---PRR (Shadow #2), KD#5 ---PRR (Merch. Express Ball Keystone), KD#5 ---Frisco, KD#5 ---SAL (orange blossom), KD#802 #103 One batch of five box cars as noted below with scale wheels. AF-compatible wheels available upon request (not installed) for the SHS cars only. AF couplers not available. Retailed at $45 per car. Asking price at the end ---AM 40' undec sliding door ---AM 40' PGE plug door ---AM 40' Timken Roller Freight (yellow with white lettering), scale wheels ---SHS 40' rebuilt MP (Eagle Service), KD#802 couplers ---SHS 40' rebuilt CN #1, KD#5 ITEM #104 One batch of three cars with scale wheels and KD#5 couplers. Retailed at $40 per car. Asking price at the end ---AM, tank car, J.M.Huber ---DPH/SSA, tank car, GATX ---DPH, box car, Evans double plug door, CNW #600504 #109 One batch of two AM bay window undec caboose kits with scale wheels. Retailed at $50 each. Asking price at the end #110 One batch of three AM 2-bay open hoppers with scale wheels. Retailed at $35 each. Asking price at the end ---CP, offset, kit ---D&H, offset, assembled, KD#802 couplers ---B&O, ribbed, assembled, KD#802 #111 One batch of three AM 4-bay hoppers with scale wheels and KD#5 couplers. Asking price at the end ---ATSF #181145 ---C&O #67218 ---UP #901426 #112 One batch of four DPH/SSA (formerly Chesapeake Models) 3-bay hoppers with scale wheels. Asking price at the end ---CN, KD#802 couplers ---C&O, no couplers ---Rio Grande, no couplers ---Rio Grande, no couplers #113 One batch of four PRS ACF center flow hoppers (grain cars) new kits. No couplers. Asking price at the end ---NYC, no trucks ---NYC, no trucks ---GN, with trucks ---CNW, with ACE trucks #115 One batch of four SHS PS-2 2-bay covered hoppers with scale wheels and Kadee couplers. AF wheels available upon request (not installed) while supply lasts. No AF couplers available. Asking price at the end ---NYC, KD#5 ---ATSF, KD#5 ---undec, KD#802 ---D&RGW, KD#802 #117 One batch of four SHS hopper cars with KD#5 couplers and scale wheels. AF wheels available upon request (not installed) while supply lasts. No AF couplers available. Asking price at the end ---C&O, 2 bay, composite hopper ---N&W, 2 bay hopper ---SP, PS-2 3-bay ---SP, PS-2 3-bay #118 One batch of four SHS USRA 2-bay hoppers with scale wheels, KD#5 couplers, all C&O paint, different numbers. AF wheels available upon request (not installed) while supply lasts. No AF couplers available. Asking price at the end #119 One batch of four SHS 2-bay hoppers with scale wheels. AF wheels available upon request (not installed) while supply lasts. No AF couplers available. Asking price at the end ---D&H, covered hopper with round hatches, Kadee couplers ---NYO&W, USRA type, open top ---WADDELL, USRA type, open top ---NH, panel side type, open top #120 One batch of three AM 2-bay hoppers. New kits with scale wheels. Asking price at the end ---UP, ribbed type ---SPC, ribbed type ---CRP/CNJ, offset type #126 One SHS 3-car set of offset TP&W hopper cars (set A) with scale wheels and KD#5 couplers. AF wheels available upon request (not installed) while supply lasts. No AF couplers available. Asking price at the end. #127 One SHS 3-car set of USRA CRRofNJ hopper cars (set A) with scale wheels and KD#5 couplers. AF wheels available upon request (not installed) while supply lasts. No AF couplers available. Asking price at the end. #128 One SHS 2-car set of USRA DL&W (early set A) hoppers with scale wheels and KD#5 couplers. AF wheels available upon request (not installed) while supply lasts. No AF couplers available. Asking price at the end. #131 One batch of three flat cars and one gondola with scale wheels. AF wheels available upon request (not installed) for SHS cars while supply lasts. No AF couplers available. Asking price at the end. ---SHS bulkhead flat car, SOO LINE, GB-BM load (red), no couplers ---SHS flat car, NH (black), KD#802 couplers (no load) ---AM flat car, CP, 46', KD#5 couplers (no load) ---AM gondola, ERIE, KD#5 couplers #138 One batch of four undec cylindrical hoppers by Kaslo. Three MINT kits, one partially assembled. Asking price at the end. #142 One SP common standard #23 station kit by WA Drake & Co. Short version, mint kit. Asking price at the end. #150 One batch of five AM box cars and one "wood" reefer all with scale wheels and couplers in less-than-good condition. No boxes. Dusty, dirty, probably with some scuffs, minor scratches, etc. Very useable for fleet cars, but not for contest entry. Could be rehabilitated if desired by stripping and repainting. Or could be used as heavily weatherbeaten cars. Asking price at the end. ---4 AM plug door, WFE, NWP, NWP, DTI, one with dummy couplers, 3 with KD#5 couplers ---1 AM sliding door, B&O, KD#5 couplers ---1 wood reefer, GN/WFE, unknown manufacturer (maybe "S"cenery Unlimited?), AM trucks, KD#5 couplers #151 One batch of two SHS 3-bay covered hoppers in very good condition with scale wheels and Kadee couplers. AF wheels can be supplied (not installed) upon request as long as the supply lasts. No AF couplers are available. Asking price at the end. ---Burlington (gray), round hatches, KD#802 couplers ---Burlington (black), KD#5 coupler #151-1/2 One batch of three tank cars as follows: Asking price at the end. --- S Scale America, PRR 8,000 gallons, new kit, $30 retail --- Downs Model RR, TK-104 STALEY 8,000 gallons, new kit --- Downs Model RR, TK616, 16,000 gallons, new kit AT LAST...HERE ARE THE PRICES: #33 $800 #37 $1,999 #38 $150 #43 $300 #44 $100 #47 $100 #52 $150 #52-1/2 $275 #142 $75 #150 $25 (for entire batch, trucks & couplers alone are worth this price) All other freight cars are $10 each. Thus, a 6-car bunch sells for $60. A 4-car bunch sells for $40. And so forth. Complete and intact bunches only. TERMS, CONDITIONS and the fine print... 1. If you are unsatisfied with anything purchased, return it within ten days in the SAME CONDITION as received for a full refund (excluding postage). 2. e-mail is preferred over telephone or snail mail for communication purposes. emseeb@... 3. Feel free to ask questions about the models. Questions about the prototype cannot be answered. 4. Personal checks, certified checks, bank checks, money orders are all acceptable. PayPal not available. 5. All checks will be deposited promptly. Shipment will be made ten days later. 6. Arrangements can be made to pick up your order to save shipping costs. 7. Additional price discounts will be considered for orders above $2,500. Call to discuss. 1-925-915-5736 8. Contact information for questions and orders: Eileen Seeburger email: emseeb "at" gmail.com (preferred) Telephone: 1-925-915-5736 (California time) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64231	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: Made In Japan

http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-AC-Gilbert-HO-Scale-Track-/300546963274?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item45f9feb74a This comes up on eBay from time to time, Ho track made in Japan for A.C. Gilbert. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64232	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: Re: Made In Japan

From   Alan Lambert   Mike, I usedto have some of that track but got out of HO for My S gauge Attic discovery of my old American Flyer set. Set # K520W which I still Have in running order. I had to have the engine serviced , but it K325 Runs like a bat and smokes good. like shown the ho track ihad was curves.                                                 Thanks,                                                             alan --- On Tue, 4/12/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Made In Japan To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 7:50 PM   http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-AC-Gilbert-HO-Scale-Track-/300546963274?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item45f9feb74a This comes up on eBay from time to time, Ho track made in Japan for A.C. Gilbert. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64233	From: aztecfan	Date: 4/12/2011
Subject: Atlantics need

All new wheels that are spokes. They had tall wheels. May be larger drive wheels might work, but they would have to be scale so that they do not touch.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64234	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Remote control locomotives ........TMCC?

I bet that makes a big bump. A friend sent this to me- John Marganski     Here is what happens when that remote controlled loco in the middle of the stopped train doesn't get the command to shut down.         [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64235	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Re: use Hudson to test clearances?

There is a gauge similar to the HO gauge available Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mike_a_2001@... Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:05:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] use Hudson to test clearances? When I modeled in HO, I had a NMRA standards clearance gauge that could be used to determine if the equipment would clear obstacles. Based on all the input of this group so far, couldn't you determine how much space is needed for clearance and , using those dimensions, cut out your own template to use before something is built? That could save a lot of effort and time having to rebuild part of your layout to fit after the fact. Mike A. ________________________________ From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 11:28:45 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] use Hudson to test clearances? Hi Mark, If you are running any 350 Royal Blues or a 353 Circus Engine you may want to run a test with those. The boiler shells on those locomotives have a "O" width and may hit something on a tight curve. I was running those on my layout and I had exact "S" scale tunnel portals and the steamchect section of the loco hit the sides of the portals. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: lember2004 <lember2004@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 9:02:45 PM Subject: [S-Trains] use Hudson to test clearances? Hello all. I'm re-doing track on my lay-out and will have some tight fits near room walls and other obstacles. I'm assembling a "test train" to run around and see if anything bumps or scrapes. Since I do not run Northerns on my layout, I was planning to use a Hudson in the lead, based on my assumption that the width, inner and outer overhang on curves, etc of a Hudson is such that if it runs without problems, then all other Gilbert locomotives would not hit anything. Does this assumption sound correct - or am I overlooking something? [By the way, the rest of the test train will include a wrecker, a passenger car, and a flat with a circus cages load.] Thank-you! Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64236	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Re: modifying stuff

Larry, That's called scratchbuilding or kitbashing. Scratchbuilding is when a modeler will build something entirely from parts or even make the parts him or herself. Kitbashing is when parts from two or more kits are combined to make a totally different model. I think I'm safe in saying that most of us here have done one or the other and some have done both. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: cybersavant@... Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 22:46:26 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] modifying stuff Hi. Does anyone here make or mod stuff based on real life cars? I'm looking for some streetcars, grain cars and a sawmill. thanks Lsrry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64237	From: Dave	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: "THE FINISHING TOUCH"

Beginning in May 2011 we will be starting a new section on our web site parts page which will be aptly named "THE FINISHING TOUCH". We will be offering LBR Brand items for the kit bashing hobbyist such as our first offering which will be a solder-able / glue-able cast metal double rivet row strip 6 inches in length. Plus in the coming weeks we will be offering items such as brake wheels, brake stanchion's, flat car bulk heads, flat car side stake strips, hopper vertical brake wheel assembly, head lights, tender back up lights and many, many more items that will be specifically for pre 1965 American Flyer Steam Engines and rolling stock. Any suggestions from our clients will be greatly appreciated. Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64238	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Re: Made In Japan

Great Alan, but I wonder why they had the track made in Japan. Mike From: Alan Lambert Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 12:11 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Made In Japan From Alan Lambert Mike, I usedto have some of that track but got out of HO for My S gauge Attic discovery of my old American Flyer set. Set # K520W which I still Have in running order. I had to have the engine serviced , but it K325 Runs like a bat and smokes good. like shown the ho track ihad was curves. Thanks, alan --- On Tue, 4/12/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> Subject: [S-Trains] Made In Japan To: mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com, mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 7:50 PM http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-AC-Gilbert-HO-Scale-Track-/300546963274?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item45f9feb74a This comes up on eBay from time to time, Ho track made in Japan for A.C. Gilbert. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64239	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: York/Isaac's

http://www.isaacsdeli.com/FanClubCoupon_04-13-11.asp A coupon for a $5 sandwich at Isaac's which is a really neat sandwich shoppe, local chain. There is one in the shopping center with Choo Choo Barn, near the TCA Museum. Bon Appetite! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64240	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Re: The Finishing Touch

Dave...I applaud all your efforts at LBR to service our scale and provide new items of inhterest! Keep up the good work. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64241	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Re: The Finishing Touch

Stumpy,      Thanks for the kudos ;o)      Not really hard to do as we have really GREAT people in the "S" community to do items for. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc     --- On Wed, 4/13/11, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: The Finishing Touch To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 1:06 PM   Dave...I applaud all your efforts at LBR to service our scale and provide new items of inhterest! Keep up the good work. Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64242	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Re;Using a Hudson to test clearances

NMRA Track and clearance gauges are generally useful, but not in all circumstances. I'm not aware of any NMRA gauges being made in S for some time either, particularly for "toy" or Hi-rail use. One problem I have had with such gauges is that they work only for the common "standards" they were designed for. They can't be expected to cover certain extreme circumstances such as tight radius crossover turnouts, differences in curve radius, changes in elevations, and long loco or car overhang. While standards gauges can be helpful, nothing will replace putting a train on a track and trying it. The suggestions here to use your longest locs or cars are good ones. Also cars with accessory activation parts or crane cars which might not have the boom all the way down, might be used for testing. One more thing you might want to consider is "the someday effect." This is the possibility that "someday" you'll own a Big Boy or a GG-1, which will create a new set of problems for clearance. Always leave enough room and then a little bit more! I know one local Lionel collector with a huge layout who rammed his brand new MTH articulated into a wall a few years ago because when he built the layout there were no engines like that. BAM! Oops...profanity! Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64243	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Fw: model cars

This came from a non train friend. This is amazing work if really miniatures. Looks too real! Notice the Frosty Bar he used. Mike Marmer From: Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 4:11 PM To: Michael and Linda Marmer Subject: model cars Thought you might enjoy these miniatures: http://topcultured.com/old-cars-are-really-cool-wait-wtf/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64244	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Frosty Bar

Due to the miniature car site, I wanted to see exactly the side of a Plasticville Frosty Bar, to see how it looked, as I knew it had the port holes in the wall, but I wanted to be sure. I came across maybe the original Frosty Bar in Ohio. http://www.frostys.com/ Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64245	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Re: Made In Japan

Becaus Mike it was cheaper for them to get it off the shelf from Japan or to get theJapanese to make it. After all the All-aboard modules were made, or at least painted, in Portugul. . The principle of the present day practise of Chinese made goods for US firms is not a new development. Both US and British manufacturers had been doing so with German made stuff for at leastpart of the first quarter of the 20th century. They would have been stupid not doing so with cheaper items as it saved them the cost of buying or making dies and fresh raw materials. The profit margin would indeed have been higher selling the cheap imported items as home grown. However in both Britain and the US with patriotism being so high they would not admit it was the case. However there are others who say this is not the case but the US makers just copied the Germans. Pretty stupid business men if they did! Alistair On Wed 13/04/11 11:36 PM , "Michael & Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... sent: Great Alan, but I wonder why they had the track made in Japan. Mike From: Alan Lambert Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 12:11 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1] Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Made In Japan From Alan Lambert Mike, I usedto have some of that track but got out of HO for My S gauge Attic discovery of my old American Flyer set. Set # K520W which I still Have in running order. I had to have the engine serviced , but it K325 Runs like a bat and smokes good. like shown the ho track ihad was curves. Thanks, alan --- On Tue, 4/12/11, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer Subject: [S-Trains] Made In Japan To: mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com, mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 7:50 PM http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-AC-Gilbert-HO-Scale-Track-/300546963274?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item45f9feb74a [2] This comes up on eBay from time to time, Ho track made in Japan for A.C. Gilbert. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-AC-Gilbert-HO-Scale-Track-/300546963274?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item45f9feb74a [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Made%20In%20Japan [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvZTE2ZG9vBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NDIzOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMDI3MDg5NjI-?act=reply&messageNum=64238 [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/64231;_ylc=X3oDMTM0cDlzYzU5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NDIzOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMDI3MDg5NjIEdHBjSWQDNjQyMzE- [6] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [7] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15o77mc78/M=493064.14543977.14365476.10835568/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1302716162/L=bd0f0a76-65e3-11e0-89ca-878d1e525655/B=9WoSONj8fXw-/J=1302708962521778/K=zV_ktvRWTnoUhudnGZ7q8A/A=6078812/R=0/SIG=114ae4ln1/*http://dogandcatanswers.yahoo.com/ [8] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15om6hhfo/M=493064.14543979.14365478.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1302716162/L=bd0f0a76-65e3-11e0-89ca-878d1e525655/B=9GoSONj8fXw-/J=1302708962521778/K=zV_ktvRWTnoUhudnGZ7q8A/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64246	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Re: Made In Japan

Mike, I wish I could answer that. Maybe most of Ho was made there too. Anyone else know.  --- On Wed, 4/13/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Made In Japan To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 9:06 AM   Great Alan, but I wonder why they had the track made in Japan. Mike From: Alan Lambert Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 12:11 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Made In Japan From Alan Lambert Mike, I usedto have some of that track but got out of HO for My S gauge Attic discovery of my old American Flyer set. Set # K520W which I still Have in running order. I had to have the engine serviced , but it K325 Runs like a bat and smokes good. like shown the ho track ihad was curves. Thanks, alan --- On Tue, 4/12/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> Subject: [S-Trains] Made In Japan To: mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com, mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 7:50 PM http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-AC-Gilbert-HO-Scale-Track-/300546963274?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item45f9feb74a This comes up on eBay from time to time, Ho track made in Japan for A.C. Gilbert. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64247	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Re: Re;Using a Hudson to test clearances

Stumpy, To my knowledge the NMRA no longer has an S standards gauge you have to get it from the NASG. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mrstumpy@... Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:25:16 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Re;Using a Hudson to test clearances NMRA Track and clearance gauges are generally useful, but not in all circumstances. I'm not aware of any NMRA gauges being made in S for some time either, particularly for "toy" or Hi-rail use. One problem I have had with such gauges is that they work only for the common "standards" they were designed for. They can't be expected to cover certain extreme circumstances such as tight radius crossover turnouts, differences in curve radius, changes in elevations, and long loco or car overhang. While standards gauges can be helpful, nothing will replace putting a train on a track and trying it. The suggestions here to use your longest locs or cars are good ones. Also cars with accessory activation parts or crane cars which might not have the boom all the way down, might be used for testing. One more thing you might want to consider is "the someday effect." This is the possibility that "someday" you'll own a Big Boy or a GG-1, which will create a new set of problems for clearance. Always leave enough room and then a little bit more! I know one local Lionel collector with a huge layout who rammed his brand new MTH articulated into a wall a few years ago because when he built the layout there were no engines like that. BAM! Oops...profanity! Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64248	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Re: A MUST SEE ITEM IF YOU LIKE TRAINS< CATS & ITALY

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 64249	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Re: Made In Japan

Makes sense, Thanks, Alistair. Did not know that about the All Aboard panels. mike From: alizoo@... Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 4:02 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Made In Japan Becaus Mike it was cheaper for them to get it off the shelf from Japan or to get theJapanese to make it. After all the All-aboard modules were made, or at least painted, in Portugul. . The principle of the present day practise of Chinese made goods for US firms is not a new development. Both US and British manufacturers had been doing so with German made stuff for at leastpart of the first quarter of the 20th century. They would have been stupid not doing so with cheaper items as it saved them the cost of buying or making dies and fresh raw materials. The profit margin would indeed have been higher selling the cheap imported items as home grown. However in both Britain and the US with patriotism being so high they would not admit it was the case. However there are others who say this is not the case but the US makers just copied the Germans. Pretty stupid business men if they did! Alistair On Wed 13/04/11 11:36 PM , "Michael & Linda Marmer" mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net sent: Great Alan, but I wonder why they had the track made in Japan. Mike From: Alan Lambert Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 12:11 AM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [1] Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Made In Japan From Alan Lambert Mike, I usedto have some of that track but got out of HO for My S gauge Attic discovery of my old American Flyer set. Set # K520W which I still Have in running order. I had to have the engine serviced , but it K325 Runs like a bat and smokes good. like shown the ho track ihad was curves. Thanks, alan --- On Tue, 4/12/11, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer Subject: [S-Trains] Made In Japan To: mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com, mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 7:50 PM http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-AC-Gilbert-HO-Scale-Track-/300546963274?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item45f9feb74a [2] This comes up on eBay from time to time, Ho track made in Japan for A.C. Gilbert. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [2] http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-AC-Gilbert-HO-Scale-Track-/300546963274?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item45f9feb74a [3] mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Made%20In%20Japan [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvZTE2ZG9vBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NDIzOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMDI3MDg5NjI-?act=reply&messageNum=64238 [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/64231;_ylc=X3oDMTM0cDlzYzU5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NDIzOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMDI3MDg5NjIEdHBjSWQDNjQyMzE- [6] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [7] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15o77mc78/M=493064.14543977.14365476.10835568/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1302716162/L=bd0f0a76-65e3-11e0-89ca-878d1e525655/B=9WoSONj8fXw-/J=1302708962521778/K=zV_ktvRWTnoUhudnGZ7q8A/A=6078812/R=0/SIG=114ae4ln1/*http://dogandcatanswers.yahoo.com/ [8] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15om6hhfo/M=493064.14543979.14365478.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1302716162/L=bd0f0a76-65e3-11e0-89ca-878d1e525655/B=9GoSONj8fXw-/J=1302708962521778/K=zV_ktvRWTnoUhudnGZ7q8A/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64250	From: Timboy	Date: 4/13/2011
Subject: Re: Re"Improvements to my RR

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Tim, this could also be called "Improvements to my site!" I like the new one. And yes, I like the railroad too. > I couldn't help but smile at your rants. We're on the same page with a LOT of those. > Well done. > Stumpy in Appalachia. > Hi! Passenger service has now begun for Timboy Town and all points west! http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2011/04/passenger-service-begins-at-timboy-town.html Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64251	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: Made In Japan

Power for PikeMaster switches also Made in Japan --- On Wed, 4/13/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Made In Japan To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 10:06 AM   Great Alan, but I wonder why they had the track made in Japan. Mike From: Alan Lambert Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 12:11 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Made In Japan From Alan Lambert Mike, I usedto have some of that track but got out of HO for My S gauge Attic discovery of my old American Flyer set. Set # K520W which I still Have in running order. I had to have the engine serviced , but it K325 Runs like a bat and smokes good. like shown the ho track ihad was curves. Thanks, alan --- On Tue, 4/12/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> Subject: [S-Trains] Made In Japan To: mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com, mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 7:50 PM http://cgi.ebay.com/American-Flyer-AC-Gilbert-HO-Scale-Track-/300546963274?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item45f9feb74a This comes up on eBay from time to time, Ho track made in Japan for A.C. Gilbert. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64252	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: LIONEL

Had the pleasure of meeting Matt Ashba & J Don Reese from LIONEL this PM at NTTM. Actually, I parked their car and they couldn't get away from me. We did have a nice discussion of various issues, mostly "S" related, we share many of the same concerns. Matt took my pic to show his kids the guy who gives him the white hair, I know he is younger than I by a long ways. Catalogs WILL be available at the LIONEL booth at York. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64253	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: LIONEL

Please ask Mr.Ashba if Lionel has any plans to discontinue the still falling apart S gauge trucks ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64254	From: Brady	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: New Locomotive Project

An interesting thread on a potential new locomotive offering.. http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/3062937807 Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64255	From: cvlk	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: Made In Japan

At the time that AF had the track done in Japan other companies were also outsourcing product: Marx had some of their items done in Japan. Lionel was using Rivarossi for their HO line and may have had some tooling done in Austria and maybe even China. The Model Railroad Industry in China did not really begin until the mid-1960s. Athearn was one of the earliest users of China; the company that became Sanda Kan started off by making motor armatures for Athearn. Mantua had a line of Athearn plastic rolling stock copies called "Crown" that came on carded blister packs that I believe was made by the company that now owns Bachmann. The Chinese market really took off in the late 1960s but by then Flyer and Lionel were out of the HO business (until Lionel made a second go at it with the GS4, GP30, etc in the mid 70s, not to be confused with the third attempt a few years ago with the Challenger and Gas Turbine). There was obviously a lot of price pressure in the 60s as evidenced by the outsourcing and cheapening of all the product lines. I don't know about the AF plant but the cost of union labor was a big factor in Lionel moving their production around, even with an ill-fated venture with manufacturing in Mexico. Charlie Vlk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64256	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: LIONEL

Any chance somebody could get me a catalog and mail it to me? Bob in Butte To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com; s-trains@yahoogroups.com; S-scale@yahoogroups.com From: WJJIM@... Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 20:15:03 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] LIONEL Had the pleasure of meeting Matt Ashba & J Don Reese from LIONEL this PM at NTTM. Actually, I parked their car and they couldn't get away from me. We did have a nice discussion of various issues, mostly "S" related, we share many of the same concerns. Matt took my pic to show his kids the guy who gives him the white hair, I know he is younger than I by a long ways. Catalogs WILL be available at the LIONEL booth at York. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64257	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: LIONEL

We discussed that, Matt is as unhappy with that situation as we are, can do little about it, but, I will be speaking to him again. The original story was that those trucks would be replaced by the K-Line copies of SHS trucks, LIONEL no longer has control of K-Line, now different issue. Jim In a message dated 4/14/2011 11:45:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, roninscho@... writes: Please ask Mr.Ashba if Lionel has any plans to discontinue the still falling apart S gauge trucks ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64258	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: Made In Japan

The unions get blamed but its part of the larger picture of worker affluence. For more than 150 years Industrialists have been moving around the world. chasing cheap labor, from sugar in Fiji to cotton in India.To encourage populations not paticularly interested in working for more money they made the workers consumers by marketting goods they had never needed before. As they became consumers the workers wanted more money. Eventually they reached the stage where they became uneconomical so the Industrialistsmoved on. This eventually happened to a large degree in Japan where the workers were never efficient - just cheap at first. In the US it was not until WW2 and after that the workers became too expensive, not entirely because of Unions but because the imperitives of war production meant higher wages and returning soldiers, after years of comparitive depravation wanted a better world full of the consumables the industrialists were avidly marketting.. Even when US labor was cheap in the first couple of decades of the 20th century US toy train makers were not averse to buying from countries such as Germany, with its crowded impoverished masses of cheap immigrant labor from Estern Europe. Nothing is new. Alistair On Fri 15/04/11 3:53 AM , "cvlk" cvlk@... sent: At the time that AF had the track done in Japan other companies were also outsourcing product: Marx had some of their items done in Japan. Lionel was using Rivarossi for their HO line and may have had some tooling done in Austria and maybe even China. The Model Railroad Industry in China did not really begin until the mid-1960s. Athearn was one of the earliest users of China; the company that became Sanda Kan started off by making motor armatures for Athearn. Mantua had a line of Athearn plastic rolling stock copies called "Crown" that came on carded blister packs that I believe was made by the company that now owns Bachmann. The Chinese market really took off in the late 1960s but by then Flyer and Lionel were out of the HO business (until Lionel made a second go at it with the GS4, GP30, etc in the mid 70s, not to be confused with the third attempt a few years ago with the Challenger and Gas Turbine). There was obviously a lot of price pressure in the 60s as evidenced by the outsourcing and cheapening of all the product lines. I don't know about the AF plant but the cost of union labor was a big factor in Lionel moving their production around, even with an ill-fated venture with manufacturing in Mexico. Charlie Vlk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Made%20In%20Japan [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvMW9jZ3A3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NDI1NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMDI4MTEwNzg-?act=reply&messageNum=64255 [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/64231;_ylc=X3oDMTM0cm1ncm1pBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NDI1NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMDI4MTEwNzgEdHBjSWQDNjQyMzE- [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64259	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: LIONEL

Have an address??? In a message dated 4/14/2011 6:53:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, danceswithwolves49@... writes: Any chance somebody could get me a catalog and mail it to me? Bob in Butte To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com; s-trains@yahoogroups.com; S-scale@yahoogroups.com From: WJJIM@... Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 20:15:03 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] LIONEL Had the pleasure of meeting Matt Ashba & J Don Reese from LIONEL this PM at NTTM. Actually, I parked their car and they couldn't get away from me. We did have a nice discussion of various issues, mostly "S" related, we share many of the same concerns. Matt took my pic to show his kids the guy who gives him the white hair, I know he is younger than I by a long ways. Catalogs WILL be available at the LIONEL booth at York. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64260	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: S-oriented Radio & TV Shows

Gentlemen.. It has just been brought to my attention that a radio show with S-emphasis is now available for listening. This show, Episode 12, can be heard by scrolling down and, near the bottom of the page, doing a right click on "mp3 version". Click here: http://themodelrailwayshow.com/ShowNotes/?p=397 Also included is a link to a TRACKS AHEAD show featuring an S scale layout in the second segment (after the backyard layout segment). This S layout is available for viewing on Layout Tour No. L401 at the X2011 West convention in "S"acramento this summer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9BvOLVj6D4 For convention information, click here: http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html See you in "S"acto at the NASG convention...Ed Loizeaux [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64261	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Brady" <brady@...> wrote: > > An interesting thread on a potential new locomotive offering.. > > http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/3062937807 > > > Brady Burdge > Yea, I've been following that, too; if it works out it would be great! I would encourage anyone interested to read along, and offer their input as well..... Mark in Oregon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64262	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

I'm sure this isn't what everyone wants hear, but as far as I'm concerned the majority of S gauge people are stuck in the past.  The only thing they want is something from sixty to a eighty years ago.  It is no wonder Lionel never builds anything new.  Most everything from the past has been built, twice or three times and everyone that wants one has at least one and probably a lot more than that.  It is little wonder there isn't much S gauge stuff in the recent Lionel catalogs and I don't see that changing when the few people that still have any interest keep requesting the same old things. Len --- On Thu, 4/14/11, Mark Mugnai <mugnai@...> wrote: From: Mark Mugnai <mugnai@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 14, 2011, 5:23 PM   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Brady" <brady@...> wrote: > > An interesting thread on a potential new locomotive offering.. > > http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/3062937807 > > > Brady Burdge > Yea, I've been following that, too; if it works out it would be great! I would encourage anyone interested to read along, and offer their input as well..... Mark in Oregon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64263	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

From: Alan Lambert � Lone Star Flyer Club Arlington, Texas   Len,   Here is my obsevation. Most  S gaugers are stuck in the past. They don't want the modern stuff. I would like to see more than GP-35's and  SD-60's. what was inbetween those. Look at HO and see where I am headed. Thanks, � Alan --- On Thu, 4/14/11, Lennis Hall <len_hall@...> wrote: From: Lennis Hall <len_hall@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 14, 2011, 7:06 PM   I'm sure this isn't what everyone wants hear, but as far as I'm concerned the majority of S gauge people are stuck in the past.  The only thing they want is something from sixty to a eighty years ago.  It is no wonder Lionel never builds anything new.  Most everything from the past has been built, twice or three times and everyone that wants one has at least one and probably a lot more than that.  It is little wonder there isn't much S gauge stuff in the recent Lionel catalogs and I don't see that changing when the few people that still have any interest keep requesting the same old things. Len --- On Thu, 4/14/11, Mark Mugnai <mugnai@...> wrote: From: Mark Mugnai <mugnai@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 14, 2011, 5:23 PM   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Brady" <brady@...> wrote: > > An interesting thread on a potential new locomotive offering.. > > http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/3062937807 > > > Brady Burdge > Yea, I've been following that, too; if it works out it would be great! I would encourage anyone interested to read along, and offer their input as well..... Mark in Oregon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64264	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: LIONEL

Robert W. Lampe P.O. Box 171 Butte, MT 59703-0171 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: WJJIM@... Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 18:54:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LIONEL Have an address??? In a message dated 4/14/2011 6:53:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, danceswithwolves49@... writes: Any chance somebody could get me a catalog and mail it to me? Bob in Butte To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com; s-trains@yahoogroups.com; S-scale@yahoogroups.com From: WJJIM@... Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 20:15:03 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] LIONEL Had the pleasure of meeting Matt Ashba & J Don Reese from LIONEL this PM at NTTM. Actually, I parked their car and they couldn't get away from me. We did have a nice discussion of various issues, mostly "S" related, we share many of the same concerns. Matt took my pic to show his kids the guy who gives him the white hair, I know he is younger than I by a long ways. Catalogs WILL be available at the LIONEL booth at York. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64265	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

Interesting point Len. I have wondered about the popularity of the Williams O gauge ³Lionel-esk² repro equipment The stuff looks so similar to what was made during the Œ50¹s, and yet there is still lots of old O at train shows and online. Just a guess, but maybe this potential new manufacturer is trying to do something similar to what Williams is doing, but in S? Roy Inman on 4/14/11 7:06 PM, Lennis Hall at len_hall@... wrote: > > > > > > I'm sure this isn't what everyone wants hear, but as far as I'm concerned the > majority of S gauge people are stuck in the past.  The only thing they want is > something from sixty to a eighty years ago.  It is no wonder Lionel never > builds anything new.  Most everything from the past has been built, twice or > three times and everyone that wants one has at least one and probably a lot > more than that.  It is little wonder there isn't much S gauge stuff in the > recent Lionel catalogs and I don't see that changing when the few people that > still have any interest keep requesting the same old things. > > Len > > --- On Thu, 4/14/11, Mark Mugnai <mugnai@... <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net> > > wrote: > > From: Mark Mugnai <mugnai@... <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 14, 2011, 5:23 PM > >   > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "Brady" > <brady@...> wrote: > >> > > >> > An interesting thread on a potential new locomotive offering.. > >> > > >> > http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/3062937807 > >> > > >> > > >> > Brady Burdge > >> > > > Yea, I've been following that, too; if it works out it would be great! > > I would encourage anyone interested to read along, and offer their input as > well..... > > Mark in Oregon > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64266	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re;New Locomotive Project

This is a good idea, and using the excellent and basic smoke and choo-choo rather than some expensive or troublesome more modern systems would allow for inexpensive start up investment for manufacturer and a reasonable purchase price for the buyer. Simpler engineering is always more bullet proof as well. There are no shortage of people out there who can upgrade locos with modern electronics, so that's no problem for those who want the latest gizmos. Since there are many more people who have small to medium size layouts than basement filling empires, perhaps very large locos would be a mistake at the beginning. Getting items sold and a market etablished are very important to a fledgeling company. Therefore getting product sold is a necessity. Perhaps an eight driver chassis capable of adding either two wheel or four wheel pilot and trailing trucks would be a good base. This would allow a number of wheel arrangements, both freight and passenger, over a long period of production. By changing boiler shells, tender shells, and trucks, you could have totally different locos. Here's another possibility for some enterprizing manufacturer: Build replacement boiler shells and tender bodies for all those thousands of old Gilbert locos to change their appearance! Just my thinking as a kitbasher. Stumpy Stone...in "you can't get there from here" Eastern Ohio.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64267	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

I would think that it would be a good idea to make things that Gilbert did not make instead of more GP-7/9 or alco P-A's and just some in-fo the GP-35 is now pushing 50 yrs. and the SD- 60 is almost 20 yrs.old and both are made by American models [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64268	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

what about the Modern  Amtrac loco . I would like to see one of them in "S". Must be too modern.  I know about the GP-35 and SD-60 . Ihave 2 35's and 1 60. I would like to see something  newer than those 2 . � Thanks, � Alan Lambert  --- On Thu, 4/14/11, Ron Inscho <roninscho@...> wrote: From: Ron Inscho <roninscho@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 14, 2011, 8:31 PM   I would think that it would be a good idea to make things that Gilbert did not make instead of more GP-7/9 or alco P-A's and just some in-fo the GP-35 is now pushing 50 yrs. and the SD- 60 is almost 20 yrs.old and both are made by American models [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64269	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2011
Subject: Re: LIONEL

Will ask. Jim In a message dated 4/14/2011 8:55:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, danceswithwolves49@... writes: Robert W. Lampe P.O. Box 171 Butte, MT 59703-0171 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: WJJIM@... Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 18:54:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LIONEL Have an address??? In a message dated 4/14/2011 6:53:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, danceswithwolves49@... writes: Any chance somebody could get me a catalog and mail it to me? Bob in Butte To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com; s-trains@yahoogroups.com; S-scale@yahoogroups.com From: WJJIM@... Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 20:15:03 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] LIONEL Had the pleasure of meeting Matt Ashba & J Don Reese from LIONEL this PM at NTTM. Actually, I parked their car and they couldn't get away from me. We did have a nice discussion of various issues, mostly "S" related, we share many of the same concerns. Matt took my pic to show his kids the guy who gives him the white hair, I know he is younger than I by a long ways. Catalogs WILL be available at the LIONEL booth at York. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64270	From: Carey Probst	Date: 4/15/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

No argument there. I'm stuck in the 40's and 50's because I love steam and find the newer stuff boring. My belief is that people model what they know and love so old fogies like me are stuck back then. I have fond memories of Pennsy steamers rumbling down the track across the river when I was growing up and that is what I want to do with my layout. The only way to get modern stuff built it to find a way to attract younger people to the hobby who appreciate the modern trains. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 4/14/2011 8:06 PM, Lennis Hall wrote: > > I'm sure this isn't what everyone wants hear, but as far as I'm > concerned the majority of S gauge people are stuck in the past. The > only thing they want is something from sixty to a eighty years ago. > It is no wonder Lionel never builds anything new. Most everything > from the past has been built, twice or three times and everyone that > wants one has at least one and probably a lot more than that. It is > little wonder there isn't much S gauge stuff in the recent Lionel > catalogs and I don't see that changing when the few people that still > have any interest keep requesting the same old things. > > Len > > --- On Thu, 4/14/11, Mark Mugnai <mugnai@... > <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net>> wrote: > > From: Mark Mugnai <mugnai@... <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net>> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 14, 2011, 5:23 PM > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Brady" <brady@...> wrote: > > > > > > An interesting thread on a potential new locomotive offering.. > > > > > > http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/3062937807 > > > > > > > > > Brady Burdge > > > > > Yea, I've been following that, too; if it works out it would be great! > > I would encourage anyone interested to read along, and offer their > input as well..... > > Mark in Oregon > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64271	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 4/15/2011
Subject: Biggest Selling Engine of all Time?

Could it be the American Flyer Atlantic Type? On any given day, there are 10 or more being offered up for sale on eBay,( go look for yourself), one can find dozens at almost any train show, and, even 'way out here on the Oregon Coast ( about as far from New Haven as you can get), I know of a local antique mall that has 3 for sale! I know that Marx and Lionel both made "millions" of 0-4-0 types, and they too are everywhere, but those are mostly free lanced models; as far as a somewhat prototype model is concerned, I wonder if just maybe the AF 4-4-2 could be considered the all time biggest seller, perhaps in any scale. Just musing on a rainy Friday......... Mark in Oregon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64272	From: Brady	Date: 4/15/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

The transition era is popular. Kalmbach published a couple of guides for modeling the period and Broadway Limited has sold a lot of steam in HO scale. PRR sells. American Models has several newer (post first-generation) diesels, and I've seen numerious photos and videos of the AM Amtrak Superliner set in operation. That tells me that Lionel is missing the boat. Lionel used to put open-frame AC motors in O gauge TMCC geeps and Dash 9's thinking that's what the market wanted. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64273	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 4/15/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

I guess it is a catch 22 situation.  If you don't build some modern stuff you are never going to attract the younger people.  Therefore, S gauge will slowly disappear as older people pass on.  --- On Fri, 4/15/11, Carey Probst <s-scale@...> wrote: From: Carey Probst <s-scale@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 7:27 AM   No argument there. I'm stuck in the 40's and 50's because I love steam and find the newer stuff boring. My belief is that people model what they know and love so old fogies like me are stuck back then. I have fond memories of Pennsy steamers rumbling down the track across the river when I was growing up and that is what I want to do with my layout. The only way to get modern stuff built it to find a way to attract younger people to the hobby who appreciate the modern trains. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 4/14/2011 8:06 PM, Lennis Hall wrote: > > I'm sure this isn't what everyone wants hear, but as far as I'm > concerned the majority of S gauge people are stuck in the past. The > only thing they want is something from sixty to a eighty years ago. > It is no wonder Lionel never builds anything new. Most everything > from the past has been built, twice or three times and everyone that > wants one has at least one and probably a lot more than that. It is > little wonder there isn't much S gauge stuff in the recent Lionel > catalogs and I don't see that changing when the few people that still > have any interest keep requesting the same old things. > > Len > > --- On Thu, 4/14/11, Mark Mugnai <mugnai@... > <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net>> wrote: > > From: Mark Mugnai <mugnai@... <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net>> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 14, 2011, 5:23 PM > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Brady" <brady@...> wrote: > > > > > > An interesting thread on a potential new locomotive offering.. > > > > > > http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/3062937807 > > > > > > > > > Brady Burdge > > > > > Yea, I've been following that, too; if it works out it would be great! > > I would encourage anyone interested to read along, and offer their > input as well..... > > Mark in Oregon > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64274	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/15/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

I truely feel sorry for those who never had the opportunity to see an actual steam locomotive on a mainline freight or passenger train. That was certainly a sight to behold. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: len_hall@... Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 09:15:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project I guess it is a catch 22 situation. If you don't build some modern stuff you are never going to attract the younger people. Therefore, S gauge will slowly disappear as older people pass on. --- On Fri, 4/15/11, Carey Probst <s-scale@...> wrote: From: Carey Probst <s-scale@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 7:27 AM No argument there. I'm stuck in the 40's and 50's because I love steam and find the newer stuff boring. My belief is that people model what they know and love so old fogies like me are stuck back then. I have fond memories of Pennsy steamers rumbling down the track across the river when I was growing up and that is what I want to do with my layout. The only way to get modern stuff built it to find a way to attract younger people to the hobby who appreciate the modern trains. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 4/14/2011 8:06 PM, Lennis Hall wrote: > > I'm sure this isn't what everyone wants hear, but as far as I'm > concerned the majority of S gauge people are stuck in the past. The > only thing they want is something from sixty to a eighty years ago. > It is no wonder Lionel never builds anything new. Most everything > from the past has been built, twice or three times and everyone that > wants one has at least one and probably a lot more than that. It is > little wonder there isn't much S gauge stuff in the recent Lionel > catalogs and I don't see that changing when the few people that still > have any interest keep requesting the same old things. > > Len > > --- On Thu, 4/14/11, Mark Mugnai <mugnai@... > <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net>> wrote: > > From: Mark Mugnai <mugnai@... <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net>> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 14, 2011, 5:23 PM > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Brady" <brady@...> wrote: > > > > > > An interesting thread on a potential new locomotive offering.. > > > > > > http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/3062937807 > > > > > > > > > Brady Burdge > > > > > Yea, I've been following that, too; if it works out it would be great! > > I would encourage anyone interested to read along, and offer their > input as well..... > > Mark in Oregon > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64275	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/15/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

I think I've mentioned that I model the Northern Pacific, Great Northern, Milwaukee and BA&P. I'm partial to the era from 1950 to 1970 just before the merger that formed the BN. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: brady@... Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:50:53 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project The transition era is popular. Kalmbach published a couple of guides for modeling the period and Broadway Limited has sold a lot of steam in HO scale. PRR sells. American Models has several newer (post first-generation) diesels, and I've seen numerious photos and videos of the AM Amtrak Superliner set in operation. That tells me that Lionel is missing the boat. Lionel used to put open-frame AC motors in O gauge TMCC geeps and Dash 9's thinking that's what the market wanted. Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64276	From: Carey Probst	Date: 4/15/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

Funny part is I moved away to go to college in '67 and moved back in '09 to a different house. Train still runs but now it is diesel but still hear the horns at EVERY grade crossing in town all night long. Since the track is at grade level that means every block for about 30 blocks. Only thing missing is the chuff chuff but that will be on my layout when I make room. Now the local train club makes their home in the old RR station they rent from the historical society for $1/year but no longer track there. Being converted to the Rails to Trails program we hope. Currently the trail ends about 10 miles from the station. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 4/15/2011 3:20 PM, Robert Lampe wrote: > > > I truely feel sorry for those who never had the opportunity to see an > actual steam locomotive on a mainline freight or passenger train. That > was certainly a sight to behold. > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > From: len_hall@... <mailto:len_hall%40yahoo.com> > Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 09:15:29 -0700 > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project > > I guess it is a catch 22 situation. If you don't build some modern > stuff you are never going to attract the younger people. Therefore, S > gauge will slowly disappear as older people pass on. > > --- On Fri, 4/15/11, Carey Probst <s-scale@... > <mailto:s-scale%40hcprobst.com>> wrote: > > From: Carey Probst <s-scale@... <mailto:s-scale%40hcprobst.com>> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 7:27 AM > > No argument there. I'm stuck in the 40's and 50's because I love steam > > and find the newer stuff boring. > > My belief is that people model what they know and love so old fogies > > like me are stuck back then. > > I have fond memories of Pennsy steamers rumbling down the track across > > the river when I was growing up and that is what I want to do with my > > layout. > > The only way to get modern stuff built it to find a way to attract > > younger people to the hobby who appreciate the modern trains. > > Carey > > Carey Probst > > Member, M.I.T. Educational Council > > S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF > > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, > > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. > > On 4/14/2011 8:06 PM, Lennis Hall wrote: > > > > > > I'm sure this isn't what everyone wants hear, but as far as I'm > > > concerned the majority of S gauge people are stuck in the past. The > > > only thing they want is something from sixty to a eighty years ago. > > > It is no wonder Lionel never builds anything new. Most everything > > > from the past has been built, twice or three times and everyone that > > > wants one has at least one and probably a lot more than that. It is > > > little wonder there isn't much S gauge stuff in the recent Lionel > > > catalogs and I don't see that changing when the few people that still > > > have any interest keep requesting the same old things. > > > > > > Len > > > > > > --- On Thu, 4/14/11, Mark Mugnai <mugnai@... > <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net> > > > <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net>> wrote: > > > > > > From: Mark Mugnai <mugnai@... <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net> > <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net>> > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Thursday, April 14, 2011, 5:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > "Brady" <brady@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An interesting thread on a potential new locomotive offering.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/3062937807 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brady Burdge > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yea, I've been following that, too; if it works out it would be great! > > > > > > I would encourage anyone interested to read along, and offer their > > > input as well..... > > > > > > Mark in Oregon > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64277	From: richs009	Date: 4/15/2011
Subject: seeing/feeling steam in action

I agree with Robert - seeing a big steam locomotive at stride on the UP mainline in Nebraska was pretty amazing. Equally amazing to me as a kid - and still is as an adult - is being close to an idling steam engine listening to its thermal/mechanical soul and feeling the heat from the firebox. Neat stuff. I was fortunate enough to have a grandmother who lived in a small town in NE Kansas where the UP ran their 9000 class monsters (3 cylinder 4-12-2's). One advantage of a small town at that time is that a kid could largely roam at will, so the UP station agent and I got to be good friends and I'd go watch them couple up a helper engine to the 4-12-2 and then feel the earth shake as all that power started moving the 100+ car freight. - Rich ps the 4-12-2 - now there would be an engine to model in S. MTH (or someone) has an O-scale version - wonder if its sound card has a true 3-cylinder chuff.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64278	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 4/15/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

Hi all: Must repeat an earlier statement. My grandfather's house was right next to the NYC lines in Mt. Kisco, NY - separated from the tracks (and station) by only a 15-20 foot hedge. As a 4-6 year old, I used to peak through the hedge, gaxing in wonder as those smoke/steam belching massive Hudsons at the station. The house would literally shake when the through trains went by - a fantastic experience in the early 40's for a young boy!! Not much like that today. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 4/15/2011 9:20 PM, Robert Lampe wrote: > > > I truely feel sorry for those who never had the opportunity to see an > actual steam locomotive on a mainline freight or passenger train. That > was certainly a sight to behold. > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > From: len_hall@... <mailto:len_hall%40yahoo.com> > Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 09:15:29 -0700 > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project > > I guess it is a catch 22 situation. If you don't build some modern > stuff you are never going to attract the younger people. Therefore, S > gauge will slowly disappear as older people pass on. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64279	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/15/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

Some of us where born too late (1955) to see Steam engines on the mainline, as I am sure it was, but like everything in life, steam locos where replaced due to advancement in technology. I believe Steam engines are still kept alive, at least, like at places like East Broad Top in PA. Mike From: Robert Lampe Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 3:20 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project I truely feel sorry for those who never had the opportunity to see an actual steam locomotive on a mainline freight or passenger train. That was certainly a sight to behold. To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com From: mailto:len_hall%40yahoo.com Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 09:15:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project I guess it is a catch 22 situation. If you don't build some modern stuff you are never going to attract the younger people. Therefore, S gauge will slowly disappear as older people pass on. --- On Fri, 4/15/11, Carey Probst <mailto:s-scale%40hcprobst.com> wrote: From: Carey Probst <mailto:s-scale%40hcprobst.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 7:27 AM No argument there. I'm stuck in the 40's and 50's because I love steam and find the newer stuff boring. My belief is that people model what they know and love so old fogies like me are stuck back then. I have fond memories of Pennsy steamers rumbling down the track across the river when I was growing up and that is what I want to do with my layout. The only way to get modern stuff built it to find a way to attract younger people to the hobby who appreciate the modern trains. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 4/14/2011 8:06 PM, Lennis Hall wrote: > > I'm sure this isn't what everyone wants hear, but as far as I'm > concerned the majority of S gauge people are stuck in the past. The > only thing they want is something from sixty to a eighty years ago. > It is no wonder Lionel never builds anything new. Most everything > from the past has been built, twice or three times and everyone that > wants one has at least one and probably a lot more than that. It is > little wonder there isn't much S gauge stuff in the recent Lionel > catalogs and I don't see that changing when the few people that still > have any interest keep requesting the same old things. > > Len > > --- On Thu, 4/14/11, Mark Mugnai <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net > <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net>> wrote: > > From: Mark Mugnai <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net>> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 14, 2011, 5:23 PM > > > > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Brady" <brady@...> wrote: > > > > > > An interesting thread on a potential new locomotive offering.. > > > > > > http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/3062937807 > > > > > > > > > Brady Burdge > > > > > Yea, I've been following that, too; if it works out it would be great! > > I would encourage anyone interested to read along, and offer their > input as well..... > > Mark in Oregon > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64280	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/15/2011
Subject: Re: seeing/feeling steam in action

Rich you were almost as lucky as myself. My great uncle worked in the Northern Pacific roundhouse in Missoula, Montana....it was right out their back door. Many's the summer I spent there. We could sit in the back yard and watch the comings and goings of both steam and diesel locomotives. Everything from Northerns to Challengers F-units, geeps, RS3's everything on the roster from the early to mid 50's and even into 1960. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: richs009@... Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 20:44:29 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] seeing/feeling steam in action I agree with Robert - seeing a big steam locomotive at stride on the UP mainline in Nebraska was pretty amazing. Equally amazing to me as a kid - and still is as an adult - is being close to an idling steam engine listening to its thermal/mechanical soul and feeling the heat from the firebox. Neat stuff. I was fortunate enough to have a grandmother who lived in a small town in NE Kansas where the UP ran their 9000 class monsters (3 cylinder 4-12-2's). One advantage of a small town at that time is that a kid could largely roam at will, so the UP station agent and I got to be good friends and I'd go watch them couple up a helper engine to the 4-12-2 and then feel the earth shake as all that power started moving the 100+ car freight. - Rich ps the 4-12-2 - now there would be an engine to model in S. MTH (or someone) has an O-scale version - wonder if its sound card has a true 3-cylinder chuff. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64281	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/15/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

Portland Oregon is very lucky. They have 2 operational Northerns. SP's 4449 and SP&s 700 I've seen both in operation. Then there is UP with 844 and the only operational Challenger in the world 3985. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mlmarmer@... Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:40:16 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project Some of us where born too late (1955) to see Steam engines on the mainline, as I am sure it was, but like everything in life, steam locos where replaced due to advancement in technology. I believe Steam engines are still kept alive, at least, like at places like East Broad Top in PA. Mike From: Robert Lampe Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 3:20 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project I truely feel sorry for those who never had the opportunity to see an actual steam locomotive on a mainline freight or passenger train. That was certainly a sight to behold. To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com From: mailto:len_hall%40yahoo.com Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 09:15:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project I guess it is a catch 22 situation. If you don't build some modern stuff you are never going to attract the younger people. Therefore, S gauge will slowly disappear as older people pass on. --- On Fri, 4/15/11, Carey Probst <mailto:s-scale%40hcprobst.com> wrote: From: Carey Probst <mailto:s-scale%40hcprobst.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 7:27 AM No argument there. I'm stuck in the 40's and 50's because I love steam and find the newer stuff boring. My belief is that people model what they know and love so old fogies like me are stuck back then. I have fond memories of Pennsy steamers rumbling down the track across the river when I was growing up and that is what I want to do with my layout. The only way to get modern stuff built it to find a way to attract younger people to the hobby who appreciate the modern trains. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 4/14/2011 8:06 PM, Lennis Hall wrote: > > I'm sure this isn't what everyone wants hear, but as far as I'm > concerned the majority of S gauge people are stuck in the past. The > only thing they want is something from sixty to a eighty years ago. > It is no wonder Lionel never builds anything new. Most everything > from the past has been built, twice or three times and everyone that > wants one has at least one and probably a lot more than that. It is > little wonder there isn't much S gauge stuff in the recent Lionel > catalogs and I don't see that changing when the few people that still > have any interest keep requesting the same old things. > > Len > > --- On Thu, 4/14/11, Mark Mugnai <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net > <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net>> wrote: > > From: Mark Mugnai <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net>> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 14, 2011, 5:23 PM > > > > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Brady" <brady@...> wrote: > > > > > > An interesting thread on a potential new locomotive offering.. > > > > > > http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/3062937807 > > > > > > > > > Brady Burdge > > > > > Yea, I've been following that, too; if it works out it would be great! > > I would encourage anyone interested to read along, and offer their > input as well..... > > Mark in Oregon > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64282	From: michael prell	Date: 4/15/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

When I was a lad of about ten, I remember visiting an Aunt who lived across from a rail line which was across the street from her home. At the time I was taking a nap on her living room sofa when I became aware of a rumbling sound outside the window in back of where I was resting. When I got up to look I was astonished to see this massive slowly moving rusted hulk passing in front of me. I remember thinking how sad it looked; defeated and in pain from years of hard work and now on it's last legs. I still carry that image with me to this day and still imaging seeing that wonderful old engine every time I pass by those still existing tracks. Quite a powerful image. That's one reason why I collect and run only steam in S. The other is that I just don't like diesel. Anyway.... Mike S-nottpuppy Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Fri, 4/15/11, Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote: From: Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 7:16 PM   Portland Oregon is very lucky. They have 2 operational Northerns. SP's 4449 and SP&s 700 I've seen both in operation. Then there is UP with 844 and the only operational Challenger in the world 3985. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mlmarmer@... Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:40:16 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project Some of us where born too late (1955) to see Steam engines on the mainline, as I am sure it was, but like everything in life, steam locos where replaced due to advancement in technology. I believe Steam engines are still kept alive, at least, like at places like East Broad Top in PA. Mike From: Robert Lampe Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 3:20 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project I truely feel sorry for those who never had the opportunity to see an actual steam locomotive on a mainline freight or passenger train. That was certainly a sight to behold. To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com From: mailto:len_hall%40yahoo.com Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 09:15:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project I guess it is a catch 22 situation. If you don't build some modern stuff you are never going to attract the younger people. Therefore, S gauge will slowly disappear as older people pass on. --- On Fri, 4/15/11, Carey Probst <mailto:s-scale%40hcprobst.com> wrote: From: Carey Probst <mailto:s-scale%40hcprobst.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 7:27 AM No argument there. I'm stuck in the 40's and 50's because I love steam and find the newer stuff boring. My belief is that people model what they know and love so old fogies like me are stuck back then. I have fond memories of Pennsy steamers rumbling down the track across the river when I was growing up and that is what I want to do with my layout. The only way to get modern stuff built it to find a way to attract younger people to the hobby who appreciate the modern trains. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 4/14/2011 8:06 PM, Lennis Hall wrote: > > I'm sure this isn't what everyone wants hear, but as far as I'm > concerned the majority of S gauge people are stuck in the past. The > only thing they want is something from sixty to a eighty years ago. > It is no wonder Lionel never builds anything new. Most everything > from the past has been built, twice or three times and everyone that > wants one has at least one and probably a lot more than that. It is > little wonder there isn't much S gauge stuff in the recent Lionel > catalogs and I don't see that changing when the few people that still > have any interest keep requesting the same old things. > > Len > > --- On Thu, 4/14/11, Mark Mugnai <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net > <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net>> wrote: > > From: Mark Mugnai <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net>> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 14, 2011, 5:23 PM > > > > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Brady" <brady@...> wrote: > > > > > > An interesting thread on a potential new locomotive offering.. > > > > > > http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/3062937807 > > > > > > > > > Brady Burdge > > > > > Yea, I've been following that, too; if it works out it would be great! > > I would encourage anyone interested to read along, and offer their > input as well..... > > Mark in Oregon > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64283	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/15/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

I like steam too but I also like the first generation diesels F units and Geep 7's and 9's and up to the GP-38-2. I absolutely hate ditch lights. I know they serve a purpose but I hate them. I also love and miss the good old caboose. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mlprell@... Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:56:13 -0700 Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project When I was a lad of about ten, I remember visiting an Aunt who lived across from a rail line which was across the street from her home. At the time I was taking a nap on her living room sofa when I became aware of a rumbling sound outside the window in back of where I was resting. When I got up to look I was astonished to see this massive slowly moving rusted hulk passing in front of me. I remember thinking how sad it looked; defeated and in pain from years of hard work and now on it's last legs. I still carry that image with me to this day and still imaging seeing that wonderful old engine every time I pass by those still existing tracks. Quite a powerful image. That's one reason why I collect and run only steam in S. The other is that I just don't like diesel. Anyway.... Mike S-nottpuppy Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Fri, 4/15/11, Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> wrote: From: Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 7:16 PM Portland Oregon is very lucky. They have 2 operational Northerns. SP's 4449 and SP&s 700 I've seen both in operation. Then there is UP with 844 and the only operational Challenger in the world 3985. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mlmarmer@... Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:40:16 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project Some of us where born too late (1955) to see Steam engines on the mainline, as I am sure it was, but like everything in life, steam locos where replaced due to advancement in technology. I believe Steam engines are still kept alive, at least, like at places like East Broad Top in PA. Mike From: Robert Lampe Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 3:20 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project I truely feel sorry for those who never had the opportunity to see an actual steam locomotive on a mainline freight or passenger train. That was certainly a sight to behold. To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com From: mailto:len_hall%40yahoo.com Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 09:15:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project I guess it is a catch 22 situation. If you don't build some modern stuff you are never going to attract the younger people. Therefore, S gauge will slowly disappear as older people pass on. --- On Fri, 4/15/11, Carey Probst <mailto:s-scale%40hcprobst.com> wrote: From: Carey Probst <mailto:s-scale%40hcprobst.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 7:27 AM No argument there. I'm stuck in the 40's and 50's because I love steam and find the newer stuff boring. My belief is that people model what they know and love so old fogies like me are stuck back then. I have fond memories of Pennsy steamers rumbling down the track across the river when I was growing up and that is what I want to do with my layout. The only way to get modern stuff built it to find a way to attract younger people to the hobby who appreciate the modern trains. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 4/14/2011 8:06 PM, Lennis Hall wrote: > > I'm sure this isn't what everyone wants hear, but as far as I'm > concerned the majority of S gauge people are stuck in the past. The > only thing they want is something from sixty to a eighty years ago. > It is no wonder Lionel never builds anything new. Most everything > from the past has been built, twice or three times and everyone that > wants one has at least one and probably a lot more than that. It is > little wonder there isn't much S gauge stuff in the recent Lionel > catalogs and I don't see that changing when the few people that still > have any interest keep requesting the same old things. > > Len > > --- On Thu, 4/14/11, Mark Mugnai <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net > <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net>> wrote: > > From: Mark Mugnai <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net>> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, April 14, 2011, 5:23 PM > > > > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Brady" <brady@...> wrote: > > > > > > An interesting thread on a potential new locomotive offering.. > > > > > > http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/3062937807 > > > > > > > > > Brady Burdge > > > > > Yea, I've been following that, too; if it works out it would be great! > > I would encourage anyone interested to read along, and offer their > input as well..... > > Mark in Oregon > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64284	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Flyer Fest West #11, 4/30/2011, 7:00 am

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   Flyer Fest West #11   Date:   Saturday April 30, 2011 Time:   7:00 am - 5:00 pm Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 6 days, 23 hours, 58 minutes. Location:   St. Mary's Cathedral, 1111 Gough at Geary , San Francisco Notes:   This is just a pre-announcement ( FYI ) to info you all of the next up and coming Flyer Fest West #11 which will be held in San Francisco on Saturday April 30th 2011. The location will be at St. Mary's Cathedral 1111 Gough at Geary from 7:00am for setup till 5:00pm. Please pass the word to all that are or have any interest in American Flyer 'S' Gauge Hi-Rail Trains. We will send out Final Registration Forms shortly to all those that have attended prior Fest's. Registration will be $10.00. Tables will go for $20.00 for the 1st table, $15.00 for the 2nd, then $10.00 bucks for any and all tables thereafter. Our Convention Cars will be an American Models "Long" Gondola in 2 Colors with a Gold Load in 2 Colors, our theme will be California Gold Mining from the 1800's. These Cars will run $59.99 each or $99.99 for both. Please Note: This is a very limited-production custom run of 50 Cars in each color, all sales are final and are on a first-come, first-served basis. Purchases are limited to ( one or both ) per registrant and MUST BE PICKED UP ON THE DAY OF THE EVENT. Shipping is not available. The Lunch Menu, Hotel locations and Layout Tours are TBA later. All Registrations and filled out Order Forms with Checks made out to GGAFC will be returned to me Jake Jacobsen. Note: Since this location is in SF, St Mary's has 179 FREE parking stalls More details to follow.   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64285	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re;New Locomotive Project

You guys have just made a good case for steam locomotives as the "New Locomotive Project." This is also why, over half a century since steam last ran in mainline service, toy and model manufacturers STILL make steam locos and put them in sets! There is a magic in steam than no diesel can capture! The thrashing side rods, the smoke, the whistle, and even at rest, the panting air pumps, dripping water, and escaping steam from loose joints, all speaking of a machine that is alive with energy! Compared to this, a diesel is just a boxcar with a motor in it. I have ridden in the cabs of both steam and diesel locomotives, and while I'll readily admit that the diesel was cleaner and more comfortable, it has all the drama of a bus ride. To ride in steam is to feel the heat, experience the smoke and noise, watch AND feel the thrashing of the machine at work, the efforts of engineer and fireman working together to get the most out of their machine! This was the drama of the high iron that only a steam locomotive can provide! For those of us who grew up in the era, there was life and soul in the days of steam railroading, while today it is merely a business like any other which uses Heavy Equipment. Powerful and impressive, yes. But without heart. Stumpy Stone...waxing nostalgic in the coal country of Eastern Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64286	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: PAs

Gentlemen: I noticed that Lionel's new catalogue shows a PA with smoke and it looks like TMCC. With all of the old PAs floating around its a wonder that Lionel or someone else doesn't due a kit or offer a service which would allow older PAs to be upgraded to add the smoke and TMCC features. I know that there are several firms that do engine upgrades or you can do it yourself for TMCC but I haven't seen any for PAs. Since I have six PAs it wouldl be nice if a standardized kit came out and/or a firm offerred a service to do such a conversion since my eyesight and dexterity isn't what it used to be. Not sure if Lionel would go after a retrofit market but since they have done it on their latest PAs and they must know how many PAs are out there they should know how potenitally big the market would be if priced right. Anyway, just wondering. Regards, Joe Haughney [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64287	From: Ray Puls	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

I must agree with all of you who love the old steamers, living a short distance west of Milwaukee WI from the early fifties to the mid sixties, our home was not far, a couple hundred yards from the bug line at Lannon, WI and early on we were able to watch the steam era end and diesels start their reign. Just to watch all the mechanism on the steam engines operate as they made their way along the rail was fascinating and I still enjoy that sight on my AF steam engines to this day, but I have also come to appreciate the diesels that Gilbert first and now Lionel and others make for us S gaugers. The PAs are beautiful, the GPs have a draw of their own, the F units of S Helper and American Models are also fantastic. I love them all, they are all part of the history of railroads in our world, we now have the more modern equipment, the Amtrak, the modern freights, and they all have their place, I model toy trains and when our club will meet at my home we will run any vintage of train that will fit on the rails, we can even run Thomas and Percy which appeal to the youngest of the fans. I guess beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder. We need to reach out to the younger folks out there, what ever it is that they like in trains, or this hobby will die. My nephew never saw a steam engine except in a museum but he has a few on his Lionel layout and he has diesels that he never saw but he has a love for trains that was instilled in him by association with someone who enjoyed and enjoys to this day playing with trains. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64288	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: Re;New Locomotive Project

Exactly my point.  All those who have an interest in American Flyer trains are living in the past.  No vision for the future.  It is all me, me, me and when I was a kid. Len --- On Sat, 4/16/11, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re;New Locomotive Project To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 6:41 AM   You guys have just made a good case for steam locomotives as the "New Locomotive Project." This is also why, over half a century since steam last ran in mainline service, toy and model manufacturers STILL make steam locos and put them in sets! There is a magic in steam than no diesel can capture! The thrashing side rods, the smoke, the whistle, and even at rest, the panting air pumps, dripping water, and escaping steam from loose joints, all speaking of a machine that is alive with energy! Compared to this, a diesel is just a boxcar with a motor in it. I have ridden in the cabs of both steam and diesel locomotives, and while I'll readily admit that the diesel was cleaner and more comfortable, it has all the drama of a bus ride. To ride in steam is to feel the heat, experience the smoke and noise, watch AND feel the thrashing of the machine at work, the efforts of engineer and fireman working together to get the most out of their machine! This was the drama of the high iron that only a steam locomotive can provide! For those of us who grew up in the era, there was life and soul in the days of steam railroading, while today it is merely a business like any other which uses Heavy Equipment. Powerful and impressive, yes. But without heart. Stumpy Stone...waxing nostalgic in the coal country of Eastern Ahia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64289	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: Re;New Locomotive Project

It's all in the whistle Stumpy just listen to the whistle on the SP&s 700. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGNW1JyM6DE I was in the Navy with the guy on the throttle and ya gotta admit he does know how to pull a whistle cord. I live within 50 miles of where this video was shot To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mrstumpy@... Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 12:41:14 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Re;New Locomotive Project You guys have just made a good case for steam locomotives as the "New Locomotive Project." This is also why, over half a century since steam last ran in mainline service, toy and model manufacturers STILL make steam locos and put them in sets! There is a magic in steam than no diesel can capture! The thrashing side rods, the smoke, the whistle, and even at rest, the panting air pumps, dripping water, and escaping steam from loose joints, all speaking of a machine that is alive with energy! Compared to this, a diesel is just a boxcar with a motor in it. I have ridden in the cabs of both steam and diesel locomotives, and while I'll readily admit that the diesel was cleaner and more comfortable, it has all the drama of a bus ride. To ride in steam is to feel the heat, experience the smoke and noise, watch AND feel the thrashing of the machine at work, the efforts of engineer and fireman working together to get the most out of their machine! This was the drama of the high iron that only a steam locomotive can provide! For those of us who grew up in the era, there was life and soul in the days of steam railroading, while today it is merely a business like any other which uses Heavy Equipment. Powerful and impressive, yes. But without heart. Stumpy Stone...waxing nostalgic in the coal country of Eastern Ahia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64290	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: Re;New Locomotive Project

From: Alan Lambert   Fore some of us (me included), We don't remember the steam locomotives. I was born in 1950 in Liberal Kansas. Would that be known as the transition period. I hav  both steam and diesel power, but I have Steam on my layout right now. --- On Sat, 4/16/11, Lennis Hall <len_hall@...> wrote: From: Lennis Hall <len_hall@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re;New Locomotive Project To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 10:28 AM   Exactly my point.  All those who have an interest in American Flyer trains are living in the past.  No vision for the future.  It is all me, me, me and when I was a kid. Len --- On Sat, 4/16/11, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re;New Locomotive Project To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 6:41 AM   You guys have just made a good case for steam locomotives as the "New Locomotive Project." This is also why, over half a century since steam last ran in mainline service, toy and model manufacturers STILL make steam locos and put them in sets! There is a magic in steam than no diesel can capture! The thrashing side rods, the smoke, the whistle, and even at rest, the panting air pumps, dripping water, and escaping steam from loose joints, all speaking of a machine that is alive with energy! Compared to this, a diesel is just a boxcar with a motor in it. I have ridden in the cabs of both steam and diesel locomotives, and while I'll readily admit that the diesel was cleaner and more comfortable, it has all the drama of a bus ride. To ride in steam is to feel the heat, experience the smoke and noise, watch AND feel the thrashing of the machine at work, the efforts of engineer and fireman working together to get the most out of their machine! This was the drama of the high iron that only a steam locomotive can provide! For those of us who grew up in the era, there was life and soul in the days of steam railroading, while today it is merely a business like any other which uses Heavy Equipment. Powerful and impressive, yes. But without heart. Stumpy Stone...waxing nostalgic in the coal country of Eastern Ahia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64291	From: Carey Probst	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: Re;New Locomotive Project

Is that a compliment or a complaint? What I choose to model and what I do for a living/life are entirely different. For my hobby I prefer steam and the transition period, AF and scale. For my life I think working on the re-entry thermodynamics of Apollo probably counts as vision to the future and did working on the inertial navigation system. I don't model shuttles or capsules because they are innately boring like modern diesels and have no character. Nor do I model state of the art database applications I now design. I've been to the big city and prefer the rural areas as well. Why would I want to model something I don't like just to have someone else's vision? My life, My money, My models. As the consumer I buy what I want and not what you want to sell me. Same reason I drive a 24 year old BMW when I could easily afford a modern hybrid or electric if I wanted to but they don't meet my desires and it is MY money. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 4/16/2011 11:28 AM, Lennis Hall wrote: > > Exactly my point. All those who have an interest in American Flyer > trains are living in the past. No vision for the future. It is all > me, me, me and when I was a kid. > > Len > > __

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64292	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: Re;New Locomotive Project

So basically Lenny, your point is that we as consumers should not purchase what we want but instead submit to whatever the whims of the manufacturers might be? Sorry, but I prefer to remain rooted in the past then.  How about a Norfolk & Western Class J or some Baldwin Sharks while we're at it.   Bob --- On Sat, 4/16/11, Lennis Hall <len_hall@...> wrote: From: Lennis Hall <len_hall@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re;New Locomotive Project To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 11:28 AM   Exactly my point.  All those who have an interest in American Flyer trains are living in the past.  No vision for the future.  It is all me, me, me and when I was a kid. Len --- On Sat, 4/16/11, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re;New Locomotive Project To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 6:41 AM   You guys have just made a good case for steam locomotives as the "New Locomotive Project." This is also why, over half a century since steam last ran in mainline service, toy and model manufacturers STILL make steam locos and put them in sets! There is a magic in steam than no diesel can capture! The thrashing side rods, the smoke, the whistle, and even at rest, the panting air pumps, dripping water, and escaping steam from loose joints, all speaking of a machine that is alive with energy! Compared to this, a diesel is just a boxcar with a motor in it. I have ridden in the cabs of both steam and diesel locomotives, and while I'll readily admit that the diesel was cleaner and more comfortable, it has all the drama of a bus ride. To ride in steam is to feel the heat, experience the smoke and noise, watch AND feel the thrashing of the machine at work, the efforts of engineer and fireman working together to get the most out of their machine! This was the drama of the high iron that only a steam locomotive can provide! For those of us who grew up in the era, there was life and soul in the days of steam railroading, while today it is merely a business like any other which uses Heavy Equipment. Powerful and impressive, yes. But without heart. Stumpy Stone...waxing nostalgic in the coal country of Eastern Ahia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64293	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: The fate of S--was New Locomotive Project

It was mentioned that because we "old foggies" are stuck in the past, that S scale/gauge will pass with us; but won't if we'd get into modern trains. Sad to say, but it's not just S and the era we choose to model, and not just toy trains; if the current cultural trend continues. The generations coming up seem to hold little value for anything "Before My Time" (I've coined the term the "BM Generation" --Before Me, but the other interpretation, IMHO, fits). If they can't enjoy it on some little gadget in their hand, then it's not important. If it happened before they were born, it too is not important. I just received a package (from an eBay purchase, yes) of Delta Queen Steamboat materials. I'm sure you are all aware of my other childhood passion by now. Today there are no overnight steamboats operating in America, and this is the 200th anniversary of the first passenger steamboat operating on the Mississippi River systems. And why are there none? Because, just like in 1967 to 1973 (The eBay purchase was of Delta Queen memorabilia from that period), congress had to pass a law exempting the last operating one from a law meant for ocean-going vessels. However, the big difference from then and now was that the public became involved and wrote congress in large enough numbers that the exemption law was passed, over the (now-dead!) body of the Transportation committee chairperson. However, two years ago the exact same scenario played out, but the public wasn't interested, so a new single individual, also the Transportation Committee chair (who, BTW, lost his re-election last year!) blocked the exemption. So now The Delta Queen is permanently docked with a very slim chance of ever operating again. At least there are many steam trains still running! There are only TWO sternwheel steamboats operating on the rivers of America today, running two-hour excursions. That, in a nutshell, is, IMHO, a sign of more to come. The general population is no longer interested in stuff that most hobbyists are. They seem to be more interested in those little electronic gadgets, and in celebrities' lives than anything else (unless it's becoming famous--OH, and being "Green" --at least they think they are; don't get me started on the fallacy of CFL light bulbs!). So; yes, you will find S and the rest of the Modeling Hobby (all modeling, not just trains) becoming less and less followed, and the selection of stuff declining--or becoming more expensive due to smaller manufacturing batches, as time goes on. Play 'em while ya got 'em! Hmm, must be time for my meds--this is a real "downer" posting! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64294	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re;New Locomotive Project

Yep Lennis, you're right! Probably most Flyer folks are old enough to have had these trains when we were kids! That's part of why we like them so much. To have had Flyer as youngsters makes us ALL "Senior Citizens" because the old American Flyer vanished about fifty years ago! That also means we "oldsters" have always been THE market in this scale, so manufacturers have always made stuff we're interested in because they knew it would sell. I have no problem with any manufacturer wanting to make modern equipment in S gauge, nor do I have a problem with younger folks coming into this scale. If there's a market for modern equipment, it will sell. However, if your target market (as in this case)is to make "new" trains like the old Flyer ones, you are going to be selling to the biggest group of old folks in American history, the Baby Boomers and those people born several years before and after. We have more years behind us than in front of us, and we're not real confident about that future. But we do know how much fun we had years ago. And thus ends my crackpot psycology lesson for today. :-) Stumpy Stone...card carrying "old guy" in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64295	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: Re;New Locomotive Project

Nothing wrong with that. Railroads were a whole lot more interesting back then and so are the model railroads with steam, passenger, and cabooses. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 4/16/2011 11:17:03 A.M. Central Daylight Time, len_hall@... writes: Exactly my point. All those who have an interest in American Flyer trains are living in the past. No vision for the future. It is all me, me, me and when I was a kid. Len --- On Sat, 4/16/11, mrstumpy50 <_mrstumpy@..._ (mailto:mrstumpy@...) > wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <_mrstumpy@..._ (mailto:mrstumpy@...) > Subject: [S-Trains] Re;New Locomotive Project To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 6:41 AM You guys have just made a good case for steam locomotives as the "New Locomotive Project." This is also why, over half a century since steam last ran in mainline service, toy and model manufacturers STILL make steam locos and put them in sets! There is a magic in steam than no diesel can capture! The thrashing side rods, the smoke, the whistle, and even at rest, the panting air pumps, dripping water, and escaping steam from loose joints, all speaking of a machine that is alive with energy! Compared to this, a diesel is just a boxcar with a motor in it. I have ridden in the cabs of both steam and diesel locomotives, and while I'll readily admit that the diesel was cleaner and more comfortable, it has all the drama of a bus ride. To ride in steam is to feel the heat, experience the smoke and noise, watch AND feel the thrashing of the machine at work, the efforts of engineer and fireman working together to get the most out of their machine! This was the drama of the high iron that only a steam locomotive can provide! For those of us who grew up in the era, there was life and soul in the days of steam railroading, while today it is merely a business like any other which uses Heavy Equipment. Powerful and impressive, yes. But without heart. Stumpy Stone...waxing nostalgic in the coal country of Eastern Ahia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64296	From: Ben	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Cool York stuff...

Nothing political here about any aspect of the Eastern Division meet...just cool Flyer stuff I saw around the halls and at the "Nut" meeting. At the meeting there were some cool prototypes including the pre-production models of the 660 series streamline passenger cars, a prototype work caboose and a blue Franklin style loco. It is amazing how some of this stuff is just turning up. Also saw a 1947 Northern locomotive, four orange 625 Shell tank cars, original track gang sets, and a 574 prewar 0-8-0. Most of this stuff is rare as hen's teeth. My buddy talked to Doug Peck about his remade chassis for a 574 and is considering getting his redone. Should he run it?!??!!? I actually bought a lock-on track clip for 380-382 H0 tinplate track. Also saw some interesting displays and a factory reverse loop relay display. I was looking for 652-3-4 series red passenger cars for my month old daughter, but did not land a set yet. Looked like everyone was having a good time and the weather (except for today) was very nice. Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64297	From: Timboy	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Lennis Hall <len_hall@...> wrote: > > I'm sure this isn't what everyone wants hear, but as far as I'm concerned the majority of S gauge people are stuck in the past.  The only thing they want is something from sixty to a eighty years ago.  It is no wonder Lionel never builds anything new.  Most everything from the past has been built, twice or three times and everyone that wants one has at least one and probably a lot more than that.  It is little wonder there isn't much S gauge stuff in the recent Lionel catalogs and I don't see that changing when the few people that still have any interest keep requesting the same old things. > > Len Lol. I think a better word to describe my situation is "prefer". I prefer to run vintage American Flyer trains. And within that genre, I prefer linkers, which I label as "classic". So I prefer classic vintage American Flyer toy trains. I couldn't care less about any of the modern train manufacturers, except Lionel. I hope I live long enough to see Lionel cease to exist. lol But seriously, folks; the last time I checked, this out-dated Forum was all about S Gauge and specifically, American Flyer. So I guess I'm at least stuck on the correct forum <sigh>. lol Regards, Timboy, Stuck on classic vintage American Flyer and lovin' it!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64298	From: Michael Rector	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: Biggest Selling Engine of all Time?

Have you been to the Gilbert display in Salem, Oregon. --- On Fri, 4/15/11, Mark Mugnai <mugnai@...> wrote: From: Mark Mugnai <mugnai@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Biggest Selling Engine of all Time? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 11:09 AM   Could it be the American Flyer Atlantic Type? On any given day, there are 10 or more being offered up for sale on eBay,( go look for yourself), one can find dozens at almost any train show, and, even 'way out here on the Oregon Coast ( about as far from New Haven as you can get), I know of a local antique mall that has 3 for sale! I know that Marx and Lionel both made "millions" of 0-4-0 types, and they too are everywhere, but those are mostly free lanced models; as far as a somewhat prototype model is concerned, I wonder if just maybe the AF 4-4-2 could be considered the all time biggest seller, perhaps in any scale. Just musing on a rainy Friday......... Mark in Oregon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64299	From: mel perry	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: Biggest Selling Engine of all Time?

have not heard of any gilbert display in salem, can you provide more info, i.e. location, hours, etc. ________________________________ From: Michael Rector <mike_erector@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 1:49:49 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Biggest Selling Engine of all Time? Have you been to the Gilbert display in Salem, Oregon. --- On Fri, 4/15/11, Mark Mugnai <mugnai@...> wrote: From: Mark Mugnai <mugnai@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Biggest Selling Engine of all Time? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 11:09 AM Could it be the American Flyer Atlantic Type? On any given day, there are 10 or more being offered up for sale on eBay,( go look for yourself), one can find dozens at almost any train show, and, even 'way out here on the Oregon Coast ( about as far from New Haven as you can get), I know of a local antique mall that has 3 for sale! I know that Marx and Lionel both made "millions" of 0-4-0 types, and they too are everywhere, but those are mostly free lanced models; as far as a somewhat prototype model is concerned, I wonder if just maybe the AF 4-4-2 could be considered the all time biggest seller, perhaps in any scale. Just musing on a rainy Friday......... Mark in Oregon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64300	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: GILBERTS DISCOVERY VILLAGE IN SALEM OREGON

_Children's Museum | A.C. Gilbert's Discovery Village, Salem, Oregon_ (http://www.acgilbert.org/) Mike in So. Ore [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64301	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

from: Alan Lambert What we are saying is that we would like more modern era stuff. The past is gone to the collectors .We are tired of Steam. What do the rr use now?. All I see is diesel loco's. We want more than what is available now, like SD-40's, 70Macs,AC4400's,ES44AC's.. That is why our scale is sufering. If we had those available we might have more converts to ou scale. HO guys would skip over us when they get too old for HOto Lionel Because they have what they want, we don't  --- On Sat, 4/16/11, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote: From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 3:45 PM   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Lennis Hall <len_hall@...> wrote: > > I'm sure this isn't what everyone wants hear, but as far as I'm concerned the majority of S gauge people are stuck in the past.  The only thing they want is something from sixty to a eighty years ago.  It is no wonder Lionel never builds anything new.  Most everything from the past has been built, twice or three times and everyone that wants one has at least one and probably a lot more than that.  It is little wonder there isn't much S gauge stuff in the recent Lionel catalogs and I don't see that changing when the few people that still have any interest keep requesting the same old things. > > Len Lol. I think a better word to describe my situation is "prefer". I prefer to run vintage American Flyer trains. And within that genre, I prefer linkers, which I label as "classic". So I prefer classic vintage American Flyer toy trains. I couldn't care less about any of the modern train manufacturers, except Lionel. I hope I live long enough to see Lionel cease to exist. lol But seriously, folks; the last time I checked, this out-dated Forum was all about S Gauge and specifically, American Flyer. So I guess I'm at least stuck on the correct forum <sigh>. lol Regards, Timboy, Stuck on classic vintage American Flyer and lovin' it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64302	From: rick gough	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: Re;New Locomotive Project

Duh Len, of course its all about the 'past', appreciating, not necessarily 'living in'. And there is no 'future' for rail outside of high speed, which is the only future for it despite how our country trys to ignore the inevitable. All those really progressive countries building high speed rail can not be wrong. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64303	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: Re;New Locomotive Project

We had steam and diesel both operating out of Union Station Kansas City that very year. Roy Inman on 4/16/11 11:27 AM, Alan Lambert at adlbert1950@... wrote: > > > > > > From: Alan Lambert >   > Fore some of us (me included), We don't remember the steam locomotives. I was > born in 1950 in Liberal Kansas. Would that be known as the transition period. > I hav  both steam and diesel power, but I have Steam on my layout right now. > > --- On Sat, 4/16/11, Lennis Hall <len_hall@... > <mailto:len_hall%40yahoo.com> > wrote: > > From: Lennis Hall <len_hall@... <mailto:len_hall%40yahoo.com> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re;New Locomotive Project > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 10:28 AM > >   > > Exactly my point.  All those who have an interest in American Flyer trains are > living in the past.  No vision for the future.  It is all me, me, me and when > I was a kid. > > Len > > --- On Sat, 4/16/11, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@... > <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> > wrote: > > From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@... <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re;New Locomotive Project > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 6:41 AM > >   > > You guys have just made a good case for steam locomotives as the "New > Locomotive Project." This is also why, over half a century since steam last > ran in mainline service, toy and model manufacturers STILL make steam locos > and put them in sets! > > There is a magic in steam than no diesel can capture! The thrashing side rods, > the smoke, the whistle, and even at rest, the panting air pumps, dripping > water, and escaping steam from loose joints, all speaking of a machine that is > alive with energy! > > Compared to this, a diesel is just a boxcar with a motor in it. > > I have ridden in the cabs of both steam and diesel locomotives, and while I'll > readily admit that the diesel was cleaner and more comfortable, it has all the > drama of a bus ride. > > To ride in steam is to feel the heat, experience the smoke and noise, watch > AND feel the thrashing of the machine at work, the efforts of engineer and > fireman working together to get the most out of their machine! This was the > drama of the high iron that only a steam locomotive can provide! > > For those of us who grew up in the era, there was life and soul in the days of > steam railroading, while today it is merely a business like any other which > uses Heavy Equipment. Powerful and impressive, yes. But without heart. > > Stumpy Stone...waxing nostalgic in the coal country of Eastern Ahia. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64304	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: Re;New Locomotive Project

I would love to see some streamlined art deco steam, like the Santa Fe Blue Goose, Milwaukee Road Hiawatha, Dreyfus Hudson, etc., etc. And cars to match. Roy Inman on 4/16/11 11:32 AM, robert hendrickson at canambob91710k@... wrote: > > > > > > So basically Lenny, your point is that we as consumers should not purchase > what we want but instead submit to whatever the whims of the manufacturers > might be? Sorry, but I prefer to remain rooted in the past then.  How about a > Norfolk & Western Class J or some Baldwin Sharks while we're at it. >   > Bob > > --- On Sat, 4/16/11, Lennis Hall <len_hall@... > <mailto:len_hall%40yahoo.com> > wrote: > > From: Lennis Hall <len_hall@... <mailto:len_hall%40yahoo.com> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re;New Locomotive Project > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 11:28 AM > >   > > Exactly my point.  All those who have an interest in American Flyer trains are > living in the past.  No vision for the future.  It is all me, me, me and when > I was a kid. > > Len > > --- On Sat, 4/16/11, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@... > <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> > wrote: > > From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@... <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re;New Locomotive Project > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 6:41 AM > >   > > You guys have just made a good case for steam locomotives as the "New > Locomotive Project." This is also why, over half a century since steam last > ran in mainline service, toy and model manufacturers STILL make steam locos > and put them in sets! > > There is a magic in steam than no diesel can capture! The thrashing side rods, > the smoke, the whistle, and even at rest, the panting air pumps, dripping > water, and escaping steam from loose joints, all speaking of a machine that is > alive with energy! > > Compared to this, a diesel is just a boxcar with a motor in it. > > I have ridden in the cabs of both steam and diesel locomotives, and while I'll > readily admit that the diesel was cleaner and more comfortable, it has all the > drama of a bus ride. > > To ride in steam is to feel the heat, experience the smoke and noise, watch > AND feel the thrashing of the machine at work, the efforts of engineer and > fireman working together to get the most out of their machine! This was the > drama of the high iron that only a steam locomotive can provide! > > For those of us who grew up in the era, there was life and soul in the days of > steam railroading, while today it is merely a business like any other which > uses Heavy Equipment. Powerful and impressive, yes. But without heart. > > Stumpy Stone...waxing nostalgic in the coal country of Eastern Ahia. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64305	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: LIONEL

I turned your catalog request over to Remy Convery ( _RCONVERY@..._ (mailto:RCONVERY@...) ). He verified this AM it would be handled. Mike Reagan introduced Remy as the "American Flyer Guy". Jim Lyle In a message dated 4/14/2011 8:55:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, danceswithwolves49@... writes: Robert W. Lampe P.O. Box 171 Butte, MT 59703-0171 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: WJJIM@... Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 18:54:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LIONEL Have an address??? In a message dated 4/14/2011 6:53:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, danceswithwolves49@... writes: Any chance somebody could get me a catalog and mail it to me? Bob in Butte To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com; s-trains@yahoogroups.com; S-scale@yahoogroups.com From: WJJIM@... Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 20:15:03 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] LIONEL Had the pleasure of meeting Matt Ashba & J Don Reese from LIONEL this PM at NTTM. Actually, I parked their car and they couldn't get away from me. We did have a nice discussion of various issues, mostly "S" related, we share many of the same concerns. Matt took my pic to show his kids the guy who gives him the white hair, I know he is younger than I by a long ways. Catalogs WILL be available at the LIONEL booth at York. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64306	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Edward Loizeaux's S Scale Layout

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9BvOLVj6D4 Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64307	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: GILBERTS DISCOVERY VILLAGE IN SALEM OREGON

I hate to say it but it doesn't seem to have that much to do with A.C. Gilbert. It looks like a theme park based vaguely on A.C. Gilbert. It also seems to be aimed at children of a very young age. I think A.C. aimed more at the older maturing child. I wonder, is there actually an American Flyer train on the premises? Dale On 4/16/2011 2:30 PM, anormal1@... wrote: > > _Children's Museum | A.C. Gilbert's Discovery Village, Salem, Oregon_ > (http://www.acgilbert.org/) Mike in So. Ore > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64308	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

from: Alan Lambert What we are saying is that we would like more modern era stuff. The past is gone to the collectors .We are tired of Steam. What do the rr use now?. All I see is diesel loco's. We want more than what is available now, like SD-40's, 70Macs,AC4400's,ES44AC's.. That is why our scale is sufering. If we had those available we might have more converts to ou scale. HO guys would skip over us when they get too old for HOto Lionel Because they have what they want, we don't  --- On Sat, 4/16/11, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote: From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 3:45 PM   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Lennis Hall <len_hall@...> wrote: > > I'm sure this isn't what everyone wants hear, but as far as I'm concerned the majority of S gauge people are stuck in the past.  The only thing they want is something from sixty to a eighty years ago.  It is no wonder Lionel never builds anything new.  Most everything from the past has been built, twice or three times and everyone that wants one has at least one and probably a lot more than that.  It is little wonder there isn't much S gauge stuff in the recent Lionel catalogs and I don't see that changing when the few people that still have any interest keep requesting the same old things. > > Len Lol. I think a better word to describe my situation is "prefer". I prefer to run vintage American Flyer trains. And within that genre, I prefer linkers, which I label as "classic". So I prefer classic vintage American Flyer toy trains. I couldn't care less about any of the modern train manufacturers, except Lionel. I hope I live long enough to see Lionel cease to exist. lol But seriously, folks; the last time I checked, this out-dated Forum was all about S Gauge and specifically, American Flyer. So I guess I'm at least stuck on the correct forum <sigh>. lol Regards, Timboy, Stuck on classic vintage American Flyer and lovin' it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64309	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

from: Alan Lambert What we are saying is that we would like more modern era stuff. The past is gone to the collectors .We are tired of Steam. What do the rr use now?. All I see is diesel loco's. We want more than what is available now, like SD-40's, 70Macs,AC4400's,ES44AC's.. That is why our scale is sufering. If we had those available we might have more converts to ou scale. HO guys would skip over us when they get too old for HOto Lionel Because they have what they want, we don't  --- On Sat, 4/16/11, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote: From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 3:45 PM   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Lennis Hall <len_hall@...> wrote: > > I'm sure this isn't what everyone wants hear, but as far as I'm concerned the majority of S gauge people are stuck in the past.  The only thing they want is something from sixty to a eighty years ago.  It is no wonder Lionel never builds anything new.  Most everything from the past has been built, twice or three times and everyone that wants one has at least one and probably a lot more than that.  It is little wonder there isn't much S gauge stuff in the recent Lionel catalogs and I don't see that changing when the few people that still have any interest keep requesting the same old things. > > Len Lol. I think a better word to describe my situation is "prefer". I prefer to run vintage American Flyer trains. And within that genre, I prefer linkers, which I label as "classic". So I prefer classic vintage American Flyer toy trains. I couldn't care less about any of the modern train manufacturers, except Lionel. I hope I live long enough to see Lionel cease to exist. lol But seriously, folks; the last time I checked, this out-dated Forum was all about S Gauge and specifically, American Flyer. So I guess I'm at least stuck on the correct forum <sigh>. lol Regards, Timboy, Stuck on classic vintage American Flyer and lovin' it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64310	From: Al Baker	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: GILBERTS DISCOVERY VILLAGE IN SALEM OREGON

Been a few years since I have been there, but my recollection is basically like yours. But there was an American Flyer layout - quite simple and small, not exciting at all. Al Bakerr Portland, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > I hate to say it but it doesn't seem to have that much to do with A.C. > Gilbert. It looks like a theme park based vaguely on A.C. Gilbert. > It also seems to be aimed at children of a very young age. I think > A.C. aimed more at the older maturing child. I wonder, is there actually > an American Flyer train on the premises? > > Dale > > On 4/16/2011 2:30 PM, anormal1@... wrote: > > > > _Children's Museum | A.C. Gilbert's Discovery Village, Salem, Oregon_ > > (http://www.acgilbert.org/) Mike in So. Ore > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64311	From: Timboy	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <adlbert1950@...> wrote: > > from: Alan Lambert What we are saying is that we would like more modern era stuff. The past is gone to the collectors .We are tired of Steam. What do the rr use now?. All I see is diesel loco's. We want more than what is available now, like SD-40's, 70Macs,AC4400's,ES44AC's.. That is why our scale is sufering. If we had those available we might have more converts to ou scale. HO guys would skip over us when they get too old for HOto Lionel Because they have what they want, we don't  > Alan, The past belongs to us all, not just to collectors. I am no more of a collector than anyone else who has two of anything. lol I appreciate that you want more modern locos and rolling stock in the style of what the Gilbert factory produced in the 40's & 50's. But you are greatly over-simplifying your dilemma by vilifying those who prefer the classics on this, of all forums. lol Why not take the positive approach and use your alloted bits & bytes to extol the virtues of what you like in the hopes of starting a feeding frenzy. lol Regards, Timboy, The American Flyer operator who is not a collector

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64312	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

from: Alan Lambert What we are saying is that we would like more modern era stuff. The past is gone to the collectors .We are tired of Steam. What do the rr use now?. All I see is diesel loco's. We want more than what is available now, like SD-40's, 70Macs,AC4400's,ES44AC's.. That is why our scale is sufering. If we had those available we might have more converts to ou scale. HO guys would skip over us when they get too old for HOto Lionel Because they have what they want, we don't  --- On Sat, 4/16/11, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote: From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 3:45 PM   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Lennis Hall <len_hall@...> wrote: > > I'm sure this isn't what everyone wants hear, but as far as I'm concerned the majority of S gauge people are stuck in the past.  The only thing they want is something from sixty to a eighty years ago.  It is no wonder Lionel never builds anything new.  Most everything from the past has been built, twice or three times and everyone that wants one has at least one and probably a lot more than that.  It is little wonder there isn't much S gauge stuff in the recent Lionel catalogs and I don't see that changing when the few people that still have any interest keep requesting the same old things. > > Len Lol. I think a better word to describe my situation is "prefer". I prefer to run vintage American Flyer trains. And within that genre, I prefer linkers, which I label as "classic". So I prefer classic vintage American Flyer toy trains. I couldn't care less about any of the modern train manufacturers, except Lionel. I hope I live long enough to see Lionel cease to exist. lol But seriously, folks; the last time I checked, this out-dated Forum was all about S Gauge and specifically, American Flyer. So I guess I'm at least stuck on the correct forum <sigh>. lol Regards, Timboy, Stuck on classic vintage American Flyer and lovin' it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64313	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

From: Alan Lambert   Sorry for the multi posts.  Just making sure it got sent.  I have that problem. I dont see that it has been sent right away. --- On Sat, 4/16/11, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote: From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 3:45 PM   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Lennis Hall <len_hall@...> wrote: > > I'm sure this isn't what everyone wants hear, but as far as I'm concerned the majority of S gauge people are stuck in the past.  The only thing they want is something from sixty to a eighty years ago.  It is no wonder Lionel never builds anything new.  Most everything from the past has been built, twice or three times and everyone that wants one has at least one and probably a lot more than that.  It is little wonder there isn't much S gauge stuff in the recent Lionel catalogs and I don't see that changing when the few people that still have any interest keep requesting the same old things. > > Len Lol. I think a better word to describe my situation is "prefer". I prefer to run vintage American Flyer trains. And within that genre, I prefer linkers, which I label as "classic". So I prefer classic vintage American Flyer toy trains. I couldn't care less about any of the modern train manufacturers, except Lionel. I hope I live long enough to see Lionel cease to exist. lol But seriously, folks; the last time I checked, this out-dated Forum was all about S Gauge and specifically, American Flyer. So I guess I'm at least stuck on the correct forum <sigh>. lol Regards, Timboy, Stuck on classic vintage American Flyer and lovin' it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64314	From: grant bishop	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: Flyer Fest West #11, 4/30/2011, 7:00 am

It's sort of like a smaller (think exclusive) York minus the nasty weather but with Bikini models (ok, I might have added a little) but hey I can walk there! I hear Neil Young is thinking of showing up (I swear I heard that somewhere ...maybe the voices in my head) J Grant Bishop ^--^ ( WOOF! ) (o o)------- ^ / o \ --------)) U ||)))))))|| /_\ /_\ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64315	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: GILBERTS DISCOVERY VILLAGE IN SALEM OREGON

Dale, if you go to the website and look at History, you will see it has lots to do with A.C. Gilbert. He was born in Salem, Oregon, where this place it. Plus, it keeps the name A.C. Gilbert alive and introduces the person to newcomers. Mike From: Dale Smith Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 5:59 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: GILBERTS DISCOVERY VILLAGE IN SALEM OREGON I hate to say it but it doesn't seem to have that much to do with A.C. Gilbert. It looks like a theme park based vaguely on A.C. Gilbert. It also seems to be aimed at children of a very young age. I think A.C. aimed more at the older maturing child. I wonder, is there actually an American Flyer train on the premises? Dale On 4/16/2011 2:30 PM, mailto:anormal1%40aol.com wrote: > > _Children's Museum | A.C. Gilbert's Discovery Village, Salem, Oregon_ > (http://www.acgilbert.org/) Mike in So. Ore > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64316	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

For something "Old" that's new -- How about a wood-side bobber caboose for the Franklin/Washington sets? It could go bob-bob-bobbin' along... :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 4:18:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , Alan Lambert <adlbert1950@...> wrote: > > from: Alan Lambert What we are saying is that we would like more modern era stuff. The past is gone to the collectors .We are tired of Steam. What do the rr use now?. All I see is diesel loco's. We want more than what is available now, like SD-40's, 70Macs,AC4400's,ES44AC's.. That is why our scale is sufering. If we had those available we might have more converts to ou scale. HO guys would skip over us when they get too old for HOto Lionel Because they have what they want, we don't > Alan, The past belongs to us all, not just to collectors. I am no more of a collector than anyone else who has two of anything. lol I appreciate that you want more modern locos and rolling stock in the style of what the Gilbert factory produced in the 40's & 50's. But you are greatly over-simplifying your dilemma by vilifying those who prefer the classics on this, of all forums. lol Why not take the positive approach and use your alloted bits & bytes to extol the virtues of what you like in the hopes of starting a feeding frenzy. lol Regards, Timboy, The American Flyer operator who is not a collector [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64317	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

I was born in 53 and remember my Dad taking me as a small child to see some of the last steam on the New York & Long Branch. It was one of the places the Pennsy sent their old motive power. My Dad would drive us down to the Morgan Creek drawbridge to watch the trains after the engine changeover in South Amboy. The K-4s would haul the trains to Bay Head. Bkb Sent from my iPod On Apr 15, 2011, at 6:40 PM, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > Some of us where born too late (1955) to see Steam engines on the mainline, as I am sure it was, but like everything in life, steam locos where replaced due to advancement in technology. > > I believe Steam engines are still kept alive, at least, like at places like East Broad Top in PA. > > Mike > > From: Robert Lampe > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 3:20 PM > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project > > I truely feel sorry for those who never had the opportunity to see an actual steam locomotive on a mainline freight or passenger train. That was certainly a sight to behold. > > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > From: mailto:len_hall%40yahoo.com > Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 09:15:29 -0700 > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project > > I guess it is a catch 22 situation. If you don't build some modern stuff you are never going to attract the younger people. Therefore, S gauge will slowly disappear as older people pass on. > > --- On Fri, 4/15/11, Carey Probst <mailto:s-scale%40hcprobst.com> wrote: > > From: Carey Probst <mailto:s-scale%40hcprobst.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 7:27 AM > > No argument there. I'm stuck in the 40's and 50's because I love steam > > and find the newer stuff boring. > > My belief is that people model what they know and love so old fogies > > like me are stuck back then. > > I have fond memories of Pennsy steamers rumbling down the track across > > the river when I was growing up and that is what I want to do with my > > layout. > > The only way to get modern stuff built it to find a way to attract > > younger people to the hobby who appreciate the modern trains. > > Carey > > Carey Probst > > Member, M.I.T. Educational Council > > S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF > > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, > > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. > > On 4/14/2011 8:06 PM, Lennis Hall wrote: > > > > > > I'm sure this isn't what everyone wants hear, but as far as I'm > > > concerned the majority of S gauge people are stuck in the past. The > > > only thing they want is something from sixty to a eighty years ago. > > > It is no wonder Lionel never builds anything new. Most everything > > > from the past has been built, twice or three times and everyone that > > > wants one has at least one and probably a lot more than that. It is > > > little wonder there isn't much S gauge stuff in the recent Lionel > > > catalogs and I don't see that changing when the few people that still > > > have any interest keep requesting the same old things. > > > > > > Len > > > > > > --- On Thu, 4/14/11, Mark Mugnai <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net > > > <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net>> wrote: > > > > > > From: Mark Mugnai <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net>> > > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project > > > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Date: Thursday, April 14, 2011, 5:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > "Brady" <brady@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An interesting thread on a potential new locomotive offering.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/3062937807 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brady Burdge > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yea, I've been following that, too; if it works out it would be great! > > > > > > I would encourage anyone interested to read along, and offer their > > > input as well..... > > > > > > Mark in Oregon > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64318	From: Brady	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: PAs

Joe Electric RR Company sells TMCC upgrades and Alco Railsounds.. http://www.electricrr.com/ They do installations. I've never used them (all my S is conventional) but the O gaugers give their electronics high marks Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64319	From: Brady	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: Re;New Locomotive Project

<< ...It is all me, me, me and when I was a kid. Len >> Unless you're a professional layout builder, who else would you build for? Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64320	From: John Metzger	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

Why not have Alan Lambert start a survery of what "S" products "S" model train enthusiast's want. I have American Model, SHS, DesPlanes Hobby, and other companies modern equiptment that is running on my layout. Send the survery results to Lionel expressing our interest's. Thank You, John Metzger,RN. ________________________________ From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 5:18:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <adlbert1950@...> wrote: > > from: Alan Lambert What we are saying is that we would like more modern era >stuff. The past is gone to the collectors .We are tired of Steam. What do the rr >use now?. All I see is diesel loco's. We want more than what is available now, >like SD-40's, 70Macs,AC4400's,ES44AC's.. That is why our scale is sufering. If >we had those available we might have more converts to ou scale. HO guys would >skip over us when they get too old for HOto Lionel Because they have what they >want, we don't  > Alan, The past belongs to us all, not just to collectors. I am no more of a collector than anyone else who has two of anything. lol I appreciate that you want more modern locos and rolling stock in the style of what the Gilbert factory produced in the 40's & 50's. But you are greatly over-simplifying your dilemma by vilifying those who prefer the classics on this, of all forums. lol Why not take the positive approach and use your alloted bits & bytes to extol the virtues of what you like in the hopes of starting a feeding frenzy. lol Regards, Timboy, The American Flyer operator who is not a collector [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64321	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: LIONEL

Jim, Youi are a gentleman and a scholar thank you very much. Can hardly wait to get the catalog. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: WJJIM@... Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:54:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LIONEL I turned your catalog request over to Remy Convery ( _RCONVERY@..._ (mailto:RCONVERY@...) ). He verified this AM it would be handled. Mike Reagan introduced Remy as the "American Flyer Guy". Jim Lyle In a message dated 4/14/2011 8:55:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, danceswithwolves49@... writes: Robert W. Lampe P.O. Box 171 Butte, MT 59703-0171 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: WJJIM@... Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 18:54:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LIONEL Have an address??? In a message dated 4/14/2011 6:53:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, danceswithwolves49@... writes: Any chance somebody could get me a catalog and mail it to me? Bob in Butte To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com; s-trains@yahoogroups.com; S-scale@yahoogroups.com From: WJJIM@... Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 20:15:03 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] LIONEL Had the pleasure of meeting Matt Ashba & J Don Reese from LIONEL this PM at NTTM. Actually, I parked their car and they couldn't get away from me. We did have a nice discussion of various issues, mostly "S" related, we share many of the same concerns. Matt took my pic to show his kids the guy who gives him the white hair, I know he is younger than I by a long ways. Catalogs WILL be available at the LIONEL booth at York. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64322	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

I have a Franklin set. Got it at local train show 2 years ago. Paid a third of whats on e-bay. that would look neater than you know what.                                         Thanks,                                                     Alan Lambert     --- On Sat, 4/16/11, jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> wrote: From: jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 8:25 PM   For something "Old" that's new -- How about a wood-side bobber caboose for the Franklin/Washington sets? It could go bob-bob-bobbin' along... :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 4:18:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , Alan Lambert <adlbert1950@...> wrote: > > from: Alan Lambert What we are saying is that we would like more modern era stuff. The past is gone to the collectors .We are tired of Steam. What do the rr use now?. All I see is diesel loco's. We want more than what is available now, like SD-40's, 70Macs,AC4400's,ES44AC's.. That is why our scale is sufering. If we had those available we might have more converts to ou scale. HO guys would skip over us when they get too old for HOto Lionel Because they have what they want, we don't > Alan, The past belongs to us all, not just to collectors. I am no more of a collector than anyone else who has two of anything. lol I appreciate that you want more modern locos and rolling stock in the style of what the Gilbert factory produced in the 40's & 50's. But you are greatly over-simplifying your dilemma by vilifying those who prefer the classics on this, of all forums. lol Why not take the positive approach and use your alloted bits & bytes to extol the virtues of what you like in the hopes of starting a feeding frenzy. lol Regards, Timboy, The American Flyer operator who is not a collector [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64323	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

I have enough rolling stock and engines on my layout, but I would love to see a DCC Hudson in S one day. Mike From: John Metzger Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 10:22 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project Why not have Alan Lambert start a survery of what "S" products "S" model train enthusiast's want. I have American Model, SHS, DesPlanes Hobby, and other companies modern equiptment that is running on my layout. Send the survery results to Lionel expressing our interest's. Thank You, John Metzger,RN. ________________________________ From: Timboy <mailto:timstrains2000%40yahoo.com> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 5:18:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <adlbert1950@...> wrote: > > from: Alan Lambert What we are saying is that we would like more modern era >stuff. The past is gone to the collectors .We are tired of Steam. What do the rr >use now?. All I see is diesel loco's. We want more than what is available now, >like SD-40's, 70Macs,AC4400's,ES44AC's.. That is why our scale is sufering. If >we had those available we might have more converts to ou scale. HO guys would >skip over us when they get too old for HOto Lionel Because they have what they >want, we don't > Alan, The past belongs to us all, not just to collectors. I am no more of a collector than anyone else who has two of anything. lol I appreciate that you want more modern locos and rolling stock in the style of what the Gilbert factory produced in the 40's & 50's. But you are greatly over-simplifying your dilemma by vilifying those who prefer the classics on this, of all forums. lol Why not take the positive approach and use your alloted bits & bytes to extol the virtues of what you like in the hopes of starting a feeding frenzy. lol Regards, Timboy, The American Flyer operator who is not a collector [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64324	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: GILBERTS DISCOVERY VILLAGE IN SALEM OREGON

Hello friends, Although I have not visited the A.C. Gilbert Discovery Village recently, I was quite familiar with the facility for many years. For the first 18 years of its existence, I loaned a collection of Gilbert AF trains and accessories for display to augment the museum's collection and other loans of Erector sets, Gilbert science toys and appliances in one room of the A.T. Gilbert House. A.T. Gilbert was F.N. Gilbert's brother and, accordingly, A.C.'s uncle. His house remains in its original location in Salem, OR and has been joined by three other vintage homes to form the basis of the ACG Discovery Village. The F.N. Gilbert House, A.C.'s boyhood home, was torn down many years ago to make way for the First Congregational Church which still stands on the site. Several years ago, the display of trains and other Gilbert items in the A.T. Gilbert House was moved to a larger room in the Parrish House which also housed the National Toy Hall of Fame. At that time, I took the opportunity to remove the items I had loaned as the museum had acquired a modest collection of their own AF items over the years. I was nearing retirement and had hoped to get going on a layout of my own. The focus of the ACGDV, which was originally called the A.C. Gilbert Children's Museum, has always been to be a children's activity and educational facility inspired by Gilbert's toys and his heritage in Salem. In this, they have been very successful and popular. It was never planned as an archive or museum for a collection of Gilbert products or a display of AF trains. The Gilbert exhibit, while always professionally housed and displayed, is an adjunct to the primary mission of children's activities. It puts the Gilbert connection of the ACGDV into context. In 1998, The National Toy Hall of Fame was originated by the ACGDV. It was housed next to the Gilbert Exhibit, was quite successful and received significant national publicity; however, after a few years the board and the executive director realized that running a hall of fame was outside their educational mission and that such an effort would be better maintained by another type of museum. The Toy Hall of Fame was sold to the Strong in Rochester, NY and the funds and space were devoted to additional children's activity exhibits. On the other hand, to my knowledge, and according to their website, the Gilbert displays and a modest operating layout remain on permanent exhibit in the Parrish House and continue as a tribute to the inspiration of A.C. Gilbert and his toys. The display is a nice introduction to the man and his toys but was never intended to be, nor would ever be mistaken for, a definitive collection of American Flyer Trains. I should go take another look myself, even though I let my membership expire after my grandchildren moved out of state. Cheers! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael & Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: GILBERTS DISCOVERY VILLAGE IN SALEM OREGON Dale, if you go to the website and look at History, you will see it has lots to do with A.C. Gilbert. He was born in Salem, Oregon, where this place it. Plus, it keeps the name A.C. Gilbert alive and introduces the person to newcomers. Mike From: Dale Smith Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 5:59 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: GILBERTS DISCOVERY VILLAGE IN SALEM OREGON I hate to say it but it doesn't seem to have that much to do with A.C. Gilbert. It looks like a theme park based vaguely on A.C. Gilbert. It also seems to be aimed at children of a very young age. I think A.C. aimed more at the older maturing child. I wonder, is there actually an American Flyer train on the premises? Dale On 4/16/2011 2:30 PM, mailto:anormal1%40aol.com wrote: > > _Children's Museum | A.C. Gilbert's Discovery Village, Salem, Oregon_ > (http://www.acgilbert.org/) Mike in So. Ore > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64325	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

Linn Westcott told me years ago it's YOUR railroad run whatever makes you happy. So if I want to run a GS-4 painted in the Raymond Loewy Northcoast Limited colors then I will or even a Great Northern Big Boy or even a set of Sharks painted or GN or even an GP38-2 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: johnm_63379@... Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 19:22:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project Why not have Alan Lambert start a survery of what "S" products "S" model train enthusiast's want. I have American Model, SHS, DesPlanes Hobby, and other companies modern equiptment that is running on my layout. Send the survery results to Lionel expressing our interest's. Thank You, John Metzger,RN. ________________________________ From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 5:18:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <adlbert1950@...> wrote: > > from: Alan Lambert� What we are saying is that� we would like more modern era >stuff. The past is gone to the collectors .We are tired of Steam. What do the rr >use now?. All I see is diesel loco's. We want more than what is available now, >like� SD-40's, 70Macs,AC4400's,ES44AC's.. That is why our scale is sufering. If >we had those available we might have more converts to ou scale. HO guys would >skip over us when they get too old for HOto Lionel Because they have what they >want,� we don't� > Alan, The past belongs to us all, not just to collectors. I am no more of a collector than anyone else who has two of anything. lol I appreciate that you want more modern locos and rolling stock in the style of what the Gilbert factory produced in the 40's & 50's. But you are greatly over-simplifying your dilemma by vilifying those who prefer the classics on this, of all forums. lol Why not take the positive approach and use your alloted bits & bytes to extol the virtues of what you like in the hopes of starting a feeding frenzy. lol Regards, Timboy, The American Flyer operator who is not a collector [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64326	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

From:Alan Lambert   John, If I knewhow to set up a pole I would do it.I think you see what I see. Every scale has modern Locos  rolling Stock that  S does not have. Lionel is doing something. Go to them and Give then your wantsand wishesCheck out York. They will be there oh, Its this weekend. Missed oportunity. --- On Sat, 4/16/11, John Metzger <johnm_63379@...> wrote: From: John Metzger <johnm_63379@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 16, 2011, 9:22 PM   Why not have Alan Lambert start a survery of what "S" products "S" model train enthusiast's want. I have American Model, SHS, DesPlanes Hobby, and other companies modern equiptment that is running on my layout. Send the survery results to Lionel expressing our interest's. Thank You, John Metzger,RN. ________________________________ From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 5:18:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <adlbert1950@...> wrote: > > from: Alan Lambert What we are saying is that we would like more modern era >stuff. The past is gone to the collectors .We are tired of Steam. What do the rr >use now?. All I see is diesel loco's. We want more than what is available now, >like SD-40's, 70Macs,AC4400's,ES44AC's.. That is why our scale is sufering. If >we had those available we might have more converts to ou scale. HO guys would >skip over us when they get too old for HOto Lionel Because they have what they >want, we don't  > Alan, The past belongs to us all, not just to collectors. I am no more of a collector than anyone else who has two of anything. lol I appreciate that you want more modern locos and rolling stock in the style of what the Gilbert factory produced in the 40's & 50's. But you are greatly over-simplifying your dilemma by vilifying those who prefer the classics on this, of all forums. lol Why not take the positive approach and use your alloted bits & bytes to extol the virtues of what you like in the hopes of starting a feeding frenzy. lol Regards, Timboy, The American Flyer operator who is not a collector [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64327	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Flyer Fest West #11, comment

We, at S-'n-S Trains love Flyer Fest West, but the past few years agenda have kept us from attending. It is just too far and costly to go there for a show that lasts only about 5-6 hours for vendors. Why don't you bring it back to a two day show so people can travel there from distances and have it worth their while? It is sad that our favorite show has deteriorated so. Steve SnS Trains Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64328	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

Look back in these posts - you will find several of us have used of the shelf O narrow gauge bobbers with Flyer S trucks easily fitted. BTW the civil war prototypes were usually just boxcars with a window bashed into the sides and perhaps ends.Alistair On Sun 17/04/11 10:55 AM , jimensign50@... sent: For something "Old" that's new -- How about a wood-side bobber caboose for the Franklin/Washington sets? It could go bob-bob-bobbin' along... :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timboy" To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 4:18:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] , Alan Lambert wrote: > > from: Alan Lambert What we are saying is that we would like more modern era stuff. The past is gone to the collectors .We are tired of Steam. What do the rr use now?. All I see is diesel loco's. We want more than what is available now, like SD-40's, 70Macs,AC4400's,ES44AC's.. That is why our scale is sufering. If we had those available we might have more converts to ou scale. HO guys would skip over us when they get too old for HOto Lionel Because they have what they want, we don't > Alan, The past belongs to us all, not just to collectors. I am no more of a collector than anyone else who has two of anything. lol I appreciate that you want more modern locos and rolling stock in the style of what the Gilbert factory produced in the 40's & 50's. But you are greatly over-simplifying your dilemma by vilifying those who prefer the classics on this, of all forums. lol Why not take the positive approach and use your alloted bits & bytes to extol the virtues of what you like in the hopes of starting a feeding frenzy. lol Regards, Timboy, The American Flyer operator who is not a collector [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:timstrains2000@... [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [4] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Re:%20New%20Locomotive%20Project [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvZGRyODQ1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NDMxNgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMDMwMDYzNDM-?act=reply&messageNum=64316 [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/64254;_ylc=X3oDMTM0a3E0a2ZzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NDMxNgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMDMwMDYzNDMEdHBjSWQDNjQyNTQ- [7] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64329	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/16/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

----- Original Message ----- From: John Metzger Why not have Alan Lambert start a survery of what "S" products "S" model train enthusiast's want. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. Send the survery results to Lionel. . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great idea. Alan could do it. Today I was in Elkhart Indiana and saw an east-bound freight train standing near the station. It was all big black tank cars as far as the eye could see (around a curve), separated from the locomotives by one covered hopper. All four locomotives were SD40-2s of diffrerent livery, the lead CP and the other three different lease units. A local railfan told me they were changing crews and the train was headed for Windsor via the Detroit-Windsor tunnel. The point of all of which is that the SD40-2 is still not a bad idea. A few years old, but still contemporary. Lionel promised an SD40-2 once. I don't remember if they officially announced that it was cancelled or if they just stopped talking about it. How far along were they with it? Why not revive it? Which of course brings up the question, is Lionel capable of doing an S gauge diesel such as the SD40-2 -- or a U33C? Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64330	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: GILBERTS DISCOVERY VILLAGE IN SALEM OREGON

Dale, Et al; The Salem museum celebrates the life of A. C. Gilbert, not necessarily the ACGilbert Company. AC lived there as a child. So, yes, there are a few trains there, and erector sets, and mysto magic kits as well as other stuff. I've not been there yet, but have read a lot about it. Young children and their parents are a major portion of most musuems' visitors, so those musuems that attract them tend to have more displays that occupy their attention span. (Which, if truth be told, is sometimes longer than many adults!!) :) S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64331	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...

Dear Ben, Did you see the 1948 AC Gilbert Salesman's binder at Andy Jugle's table in the White Hall? It was full of promotional material as well as his notes and order forms on who he sold what too. I did not know that they made vibrators... There was also the Washington 4-4-0 prototype in the red hall. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64332	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE

I have a "Greenburg's American Flyer Numerical Parts List" for sale Cond E with very little use . a few marks ion the back cover. Amazon has this listed for $85 + shipping. $33 includes shipping USPO MEDIA MAIL.... Contact me off list. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64333	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...

and he notes - Gilbert made a number of non-toy items over the years. I have one of their hand held mixers - still works after 50 years! They also made a hand held vacuum long before anyone heard of "Dirt Devil" (Bob Christ had one). And I remember we had a 'safety fan' when I was a kid (that were a lo-o-ng time ago). it was made of Bakelite with a bullet shaped rotor and had cloth belting instead of metal for blades and I used to stick my hand in them (brat that I was) and my mother would threaten to cut a 'switch' if I didn't stop. I think they made more stuff under contract to national brand companies to fill in for seasonal sales. It'd be nice to see a list of what non-toy items they did make (in addition to than the WWII military items). Raleigh in Raineigh Maineigh... At 08:09 AM 4/17/2011, Don Thompson wrote: >Dear Ben, >Did you see the 1948 AC Gilbert Salesman's binder at Andy Jugle's >table in the White Hall? It was full of promotional material as well >as his notes and order forms on who he sold what too. I did not know >that they made vibrators... There was also the Washington 4-4-0 >prototype in the red hall. >Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64334	From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: GILBERTS DISCOVERY VILLAGE IN SALEM OREGON

There are three main buildings. The smallest has AC's toys and trains sets. The train items are common. Other items as in erector and science sets seem to be more rarer. You are correct, it is mostly for the younger set. I was not impressed. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: dfsmith26@... Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 14:59:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: GILBERTS DISCOVERY VILLAGE IN SALEM OREGON I hate to say it but it doesn't seem to have that much to do with A.C. Gilbert. It looks like a theme park based vaguely on A.C. Gilbert. It also seems to be aimed at children of a very young age. I think A.C. aimed more at the older maturing child. I wonder, is there actually an American Flyer train on the premises? Dale On 4/16/2011 2:30 PM, anormal1@... wrote: > > _Children's Museum | A.C. Gilbert's Discovery Village, Salem, Oregon_ > (http://www.acgilbert.org/) Mike in So. Ore > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64335	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...

The diesel horn and later whistle controllers with the can looking objects might have answered that question. Those cans were vibrators of similar type to those used in auto radios. Alistair On Sun 17/04/11 9:39 PM , Don Thompson don@... sent: Dear Ben, Did you see the 1948 AC Gilbert Salesman's binder at Andy Jugle's table in the White Hall? It was full of promotional material as well as his notes and order forms on who he sold what too. I did not know that they made vibrators... There was also the Washington 4-4-0 prototype in the red hall. Don ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Cool%20York%20stuff... [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvc251cXR1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NDMzMQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMDMwNDMzMDY-?act=reply&messageNum=64331 [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/64296;_ylc=X3oDMTM0YjcwcWxxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NDMzMQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMDMwNDMzMDYEdHBjSWQDNjQyOTY- [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [5] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15oomf2e3/M=493064.14543979.14365478.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1303050506/L=319cb39a-68ee-11e0-a9b1-93639cadf5f9/B=1d_UQUPDhFs-/J=1303043306556118/K=AOspGJC1WdYgy13k5chcqw/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj [6] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15oarm9nv/M=493064.14543977.14365476.10835568/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1303050506/L=319cb39a-68ee-11e0-a9b1-93639cadf5f9/B=1t_UQUPDhFs-/J=1303043306556118/K=AOspGJC1WdYgy13k5chcqw/A=6260316/R=0/SIG=11bc8n8gt/*http://custom.yahoo.com/fibromyalgiazone/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64336	From: JohnB	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: FS: Gargraves Track

I have lots of track in new or almost new condition. Almost cuz about 2/3 of the track have holes drilled in the ties. Otherwise they are in prefect condition. 42" curves - 24 pieces (two full circles) New $4.50, sell $3.00 each 37" straight - 2 pieces - New $7.00, sell $5.00 each 12.4" straight - 3 pieces - New $3.00, sell $2.00 each Buy the entire lot for $80 and I will throw in about a dozen other pieces of straight track in various lengths that I cut to size. Shipping at cost, probably about $12 depending on where you live via USPS. Contact me at catalinajack6@....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64337	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

I'll gladly convert some of mine for you, at a reasonable price. WHY another remake??? Jim Lyle In a message dated 4/17/2011 12:43:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: I have enough rolling stock and engines on my layout, but I would love to see a DCC Hudson in S one day. Mike From: John Metzger Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 10:22 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project Why not have Alan Lambert start a survery of what "S" products "S" model train enthusiast's want. I have American Model, SHS, DesPlanes Hobby, and other companies modern equiptment that is running on my layout. Send the survery results to Lionel expressing our interest's. Thank You, John Metzger,RN. ________________________________ From: Timboy <mailto:timstrains2000%40yahoo.com> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 5:18:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <adlbert1950@...> wrote: > > from: Alan Lambert What we are saying is that we would like more modern era >stuff. The past is gone to the collectors .We are tired of Steam. What do the rr >use now?. All I see is diesel loco's. We want more than what is available now, >like SD-40's, 70Macs,AC4400's,ES44AC's.. That is why our scale is sufering. If >we had those available we might have more converts to ou scale. HO guys would >skip over us when they get too old for HOto Lionel Because they have what they >want, we don't > Alan, The past belongs to us all, not just to collectors. I am no more of a collector than anyone else who has two of anything. lol I appreciate that you want more modern locos and rolling stock in the style of what the Gilbert factory produced in the 40's & 50's. But you are greatly over-simplifying your dilemma by vilifying those who prefer the classics on this, of all forums. lol Why not take the positive approach and use your alloted bits & bytes to extol the virtues of what you like in the hopes of starting a feeding frenzy. lol Regards, Timboy, The American Flyer operator who is not a collector [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64338	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

Why not post the results to the entire list, may be others interested in "filling the void" also. Jim "NO rain on the Keystone Main" Lyle In a message dated 4/16/2011 10:49:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, johnm_63379@... writes: Send the survery results to Lionel expressing our interest's. Thank You, John Metzger,RN. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64339	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...

Don.... What was the price on the Salesman book? Bob Mine is a 1964 with name on cover --- On Sun, 4/17/11, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: From: Don Thompson <don@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Cool York stuff... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 17, 2011, 8:09 AM   Dear Ben, Did you see the 1948 AC Gilbert Salesman's binder at Andy Jugle's table in the White Hall? It was full of promotional material as well as his notes and order forms on who he sold what too. I did not know that they made vibrators... There was also the Washington 4-4-0 prototype in the red hall. Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64340	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

I used Linn Westcott, design of girders to make my train table. Very sturdy. His plans was for a 5 x 9 board, as I my layout is 12 x 8, so I made two sets of girders and joined them together in the middle. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lampe Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 11:08 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project Linn Westcott told me years ago it's YOUR railroad run whatever makes you happy. So if I want to run a GS-4 painted in the Raymond Loewy Northcoast Limited colors then I will or even a Great Northern Big Boy or even a set of Sharks painted or GN or even an GP38-2 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: johnm_63379@... Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 19:22:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project Why not have Alan Lambert start a survery of what "S" products "S" model train enthusiast's want. I have American Model, SHS, DesPlanes Hobby, and other companies modern equiptment that is running on my layout. Send the survery results to Lionel expressing our interest's. Thank You, John Metzger,RN. ________________________________ From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 5:18:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <adlbert1950@...> wrote: > > from: Alan Lambert What we are saying is that we would like more modern > era >stuff. The past is gone to the collectors .We are tired of Steam. What do >the rr >use now?. All I see is diesel loco's. We want more than what is available >now, >like SD-40's, 70Macs,AC4400's,ES44AC's.. That is why our scale is >sufering. If >we had those available we might have more converts to ou scale. HO guys >would >skip over us when they get too old for HOto Lionel Because they have what >they >want, we don't > Alan, The past belongs to us all, not just to collectors. I am no more of a collector than anyone else who has two of anything. lol I appreciate that you want more modern locos and rolling stock in the style of what the Gilbert factory produced in the 40's & 50's. But you are greatly over-simplifying your dilemma by vilifying those who prefer the classics on this, of all forums. lol Why not take the positive approach and use your alloted bits & bytes to extol the virtues of what you like in the hopes of starting a feeding frenzy. lol Regards, Timboy, The American Flyer operator who is not a collector [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64341	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: GILBERTS DISCOVERY VILLAGE IN SALEM OREGON

Thanks David, as that is what I was looking to say! Mike From: David Dewey Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 2:20 AM To: s-trains list Subject: [S-Trains] GILBERTS DISCOVERY VILLAGE IN SALEM OREGON Dale, Et al; The Salem museum celebrates the life of A. C. Gilbert, not necessarily the ACGilbert Company. AC lived there as a child. So, yes, there are a few trains there, and erector sets, and mysto magic kits as well as other stuff. I've not been there yet, but have read a lot about it. Young children and their parents are a major portion of most musuems' visitors, so those musuems that attract them tend to have more displays that occupy their attention span. (Which, if truth be told, is sometimes longer than many adults!!) :) S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64342	From: JohnB	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: WTB: Boxcar Undercarriage

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 64343	From: rick gough	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

Does anyone know if two Northern's actually exist in Portland, OR? rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64344	From: michael prell	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: HELP With Beacon

I have two of the following repro Beacon Top + Bulb For American Flyer & Lionel Towers. Neither work. What can be done to coax them into spinning. The bulbs seem to produce enough heat, Any suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Mike "S"-notpuppy Prell   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64345	From: mel perry	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: HELP With Beacon

check and make sure all the vane openings on the top are open and all have the same arperture, even one out of alignment will stop the whole spinning process ________________________________ From: michael prell <mlprell@...> To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com; toytrains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 1:32:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] HELP With Beacon I have two of the following repro Beacon Top + Bulb For American Flyer & Lionel Towers. Neither work. What can be done to coax them into spinning. The bulbs seem to produce enough heat, Any suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Mike "S"-notpuppy Prell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64346	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: HELP With Beacon

Tinker. You might get lucky and find the "perfect" pitch for the vanes. Absent that, small fan OR 494 LIONEL. Jim Lyle In a message dated 4/17/2011 5:05:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mlprell@... writes: I have two of the following repro Beacon Top + Bulb For American Flyer & Lionel Towers. Neither work. What can be done to coax them into spinning. The bulbs seem to produce enough heat, Any suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Mike "S"-notpuppy Prell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64347	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/17/2011, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 64348	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: HELP With Beacon

On 4/17/2011 2:43 PM, mel perry wrote: > I have two of the following repro Beacon Top + Bulb For American Flyer & > Lionel Towers. > Neither work. What can be done to coax them into spinning. The bulbs > seem to produce enough heat, Any suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Most of the repro beacons I have seen use a small tubular rivet as the pivot. If you look at an original, they used a sharp point as a pivot. The difference in friction is considerable. I've been able to get the repros to work by gluing a sharp pin in the tubular rivet. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64349	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: HELP With Beacon

Hi Mike, I believe all the current repro tops do not work. That is why I don't handle any of the current repro tops. If you can find any original Lionel tops or a MTH replacement top, those will worn. The correct bulb is a #461 14 Volt. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: michael prell <mlprell@...> To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com; toytrains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 4:32:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] HELP With Beacon I have two of the following repro Beacon Top + Bulb For American Flyer & Lionel Towers. Neither work. What can be done to coax them into spinning. The bulbs seem to produce enough heat, Any suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Mike "S"-notpuppy Prell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64350	From: Al Baker	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

Yes Rick, there are two real operating 4-8-4s in Portland, OR. SP&S #700 SPS700.org and SP 4449 4449.org . In July 2005, we ran both doubleheaded from Portland to Wishram, WA - about 100 miles each way. Pulled 19 cars, about 500 people as I recall. Was a great ride! SP 4449 is the most famous of the two, having pulled the Freedomn Train in 1976. But I like #700, she is a real beauty of the more traditional style. Come to Portland in July 2nd & 3rd), and you can ride behind 4449 on another excursion fromn Portland to Wishram (east along the Columbia River). We are also working on getting a Pacific running... Al Baker Portland --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rick gough <racin510@...> wrote: > > Does anyone know if two Northern's actually exist in Portland, OR? > > rick gough > mudshark datsun > 510 racing > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64351	From: Bob	Date: 4/17/2011
Subject: New Bonus Material Available on 1:64 Modeling Guide Website

Good evening. I am pleased to announce that the first new e-Feature(TM) article is now available on the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine Website (www.1-64ModelingGuide.com)! "Painting and Whitewashing Buildings" by Gary Carmichael debuts what will become a new electronic-only product line for RLN Publishing, publisher of the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine. This four page article (PDF format), complete with a materials list with links to manufacturers and suppliers, describes two methods Gary uses to achieve a realistic look to his buildings. And the best part is that this article is FREE! You don't have to be a 1:64 Modeling Guide subscriber (although I hope you are), nor do you need a user ID and password to access it. Just go to www.1-64ModelingGuide.com and click on the "Bonus Material" button. Then scroll down until you see the article title and then click on it. It's that simple! Future offerings will be for sale and will include both Web exclusive material, as well as electronic re-issues of selected articles from past sold out issues of the "S/Sn3 Buyers Guide," "S/Sn3 Modeling Guide," and the "1:64 Modeling Guide". Prices and other details TBA. Bob Nalbone RLN Publishing Editor & Publisher 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine www.1-64ModelingGuide.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64352	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...

Dear Bob, If Andy was selling it, I was not aware. He had it under the table and asked if I wanted to see something interesting...and he was was so right... Don On Apr 17, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Robert Conner wrote: > Don.... What was the price on the Salesman book? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64353	From: Ken	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

Thanks for posting the links Al. FYI, I had to stumble a bit on them. Here for all are the actual links I got to: SP&S #700 is at http://sps700.org/ SP #4449 is at http://4449.com/ Ken Palmer --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote: > > Yes Rick, there are two real operating 4-8-4s in Portland, OR. SP&S #700 SPS700.org and SP 4449 4449.org . > > In July 2005, we ran both doubleheaded from Portland to Wishram, WA - about 100 miles each way. Pulled 19 cars, about 500 people as I recall. Was a great ride! > > SP 4449 is the most famous of the two, having pulled the Freedomn Train in 1976. But I like #700, she is a real beauty of the more traditional style. > > Come to Portland in July 2nd & 3rd), and you can ride behind 4449 on another excursion fromn Portland to Wishram (east along the Columbia River). > > We are also working on getting a Pacific running... > > Al Baker > Portland > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rick gough <racin510@> wrote: > > > > Does anyone know if two Northern's actually exist in Portland, OR? > > > > rick gough > > mudshark datsun > > 510 racing > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64354	From: Glenn	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: NATIONAL TOY TRAIN MUSEUM OPEN HOUSE

Here are pictures of the April 13, 2011 Open House at the NTTM. http://kulpritterpics.homestead.com/NTTM.html Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64355	From: Al Baker	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

Thanks for helping Ken. SP&S 700 is slightly longer, and the more powerful (Tractive Effort)of the two, but as I said, 4449 is much better known. Of the currently operating steam locos, I think UP 3985 Challenger is the only one more powerful than the 700. Al --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <kennypalmer44@...> wrote: > > Thanks for posting the links Al. > > FYI, I had to stumble a bit on them. Here for all are the actual links I got to: > > SP&S #700 is at http://sps700.org/ > > SP #4449 is at http://4449.com/ > > Ken Palmer > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@> wrote: > > > > Yes Rick, there are two real operating 4-8-4s in Portland, OR. SP&S #700 SPS700.org and SP 4449 4449.org . > > > > In July 2005, we ran both doubleheaded from Portland to Wishram, WA - about 100 miles each way. Pulled 19 cars, about 500 people as I recall. Was a great ride! > > > > SP 4449 is the most famous of the two, having pulled the Freedomn Train in 1976. But I like #700, she is a real beauty of the more traditional style. > > > > Come to Portland in July 2nd & 3rd), and you can ride behind 4449 on another excursion fromn Portland to Wishram (east along the Columbia River). > > > > We are also working on getting a Pacific running... > > > > Al Baker > > Portland > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rick gough <racin510@> wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone know if two Northern's actually exist in Portland, OR? > > > > > > rick gough > > > mudshark datsun > > > 510 racing > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64356	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...

Don, What's the latest news on your company? Will you be up and running soon or are you still looking for an injection molder? Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: don@... Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 08:09:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Cool York stuff... Dear Ben, Did you see the 1948 AC Gilbert Salesman's binder at Andy Jugle's table in the White Hall? It was full of promotional material as well as his notes and order forms on who he sold what too. I did not know that they made vibrators... There was also the Washington 4-4-0 prototype in the red hall. Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64357	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE

Mike, Where do you get the eyedroppers that you include with the smoke fluid? My wife needs some to feed some kittens that lost their mother. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: anormal1@... Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 01:06:29 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] RE: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE I have a "Greenburg's American Flyer Numerical Parts List" for sale Cond E with very little use . a few marks ion the back cover. Amazon has this listed for $85 + shipping. $33 includes shipping USPO MEDIA MAIL.... Contact me off list. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64358	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

Yes the Southern Pacific Daylight 4449 and the Spokane Portland and Seattle 700 Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: racin510@... Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 13:53:11 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project Does anyone know if two Northern's actually exist in Portland, OR? rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64359	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

Linn was a very innovative and resourceful modeler. He designed a great many items that are still in use today and as an afterthought so did Gordy Odegard. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mlmarmer@... Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 11:15:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project I used Linn Westcott, design of girders to make my train table. Very sturdy. His plans was for a 5 x 9 board, as I my layout is 12 x 8, so I made two sets of girders and joined them together in the middle. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lampe Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 11:08 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project Linn Westcott told me years ago it's YOUR railroad run whatever makes you happy. So if I want to run a GS-4 painted in the Raymond Loewy Northcoast Limited colors then I will or even a Great Northern Big Boy or even a set of Sharks painted or GN or even an GP38-2 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: johnm_63379@... Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 19:22:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project Why not have Alan Lambert start a survery of what "S" products "S" model train enthusiast's want. I have American Model, SHS, DesPlanes Hobby, and other companies modern equiptment that is running on my layout. Send the survery results to Lionel expressing our interest's. Thank You, John Metzger,RN. ________________________________ From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 5:18:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <adlbert1950@...> wrote: > > from: Alan Lambert� What we are saying is that� we would like more modern > era >stuff. The past is gone to the collectors .We are tired of Steam. What do >the rr >use now?. All I see is diesel loco's. We want more than what is available >now, >like� SD-40's, 70Macs,AC4400's,ES44AC's.. That is why our scale is >sufering. If >we had those available we might have more converts to ou scale. HO guys >would >skip over us when they get too old for HOto Lionel Because they have what >they >want,� we don't� > Alan, The past belongs to us all, not just to collectors. I am no more of a collector than anyone else who has two of anything. lol I appreciate that you want more modern locos and rolling stock in the style of what the Gilbert factory produced in the 40's & 50's. But you are greatly over-simplifying your dilemma by vilifying those who prefer the classics on this, of all forums. lol Why not take the positive approach and use your alloted bits & bytes to extol the virtues of what you like in the hopes of starting a feeding frenzy. lol Regards, Timboy, The American Flyer operator who is not a collector [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64360	From: michael prell	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Beacon Thanks

Many thanks for the advice. Somewhare in my pile of stuff I believe I still have an original Flyer housing sans lenses. That, I believe had the steel needle. Barring that I'll attempt a refit with a sharp used suringe needle. Again, thanks for the input! Be well and Tracks Ahead, Folks! Mike "S"-notpuppy Prell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64361	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

Al, I saw the 700 back in October of 90 when she was first put back in operation and went to Tri-Cities WA and then to Yakima. I dumped work to do so but who cares? Seeing the old girl under steam was worth it by a long shot. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: albaker33@... Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 01:32:22 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project Yes Rick, there are two real operating 4-8-4s in Portland, OR. SP&S #700 SPS700.org and SP 4449 4449.org . In July 2005, we ran both doubleheaded from Portland to Wishram, WA - about 100 miles each way. Pulled 19 cars, about 500 people as I recall. Was a great ride! SP 4449 is the most famous of the two, having pulled the Freedomn Train in 1976. But I like #700, she is a real beauty of the more traditional style. Come to Portland in July 2nd & 3rd), and you can ride behind 4449 on another excursion fromn Portland to Wishram (east along the Columbia River). We are also working on getting a Pacific running... Al Baker Portland --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rick gough <racin510@...> wrote: > > Does anyone know if two Northern's actually exist in Portland, OR? > > rick gough > mudshark datsun > 510 racing > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64362	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

The only survey that has any use is the one where we vote with enough dollars to pay for the item. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Metzger Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 10:22 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: New Locomotive Project Why not have Alan Lambert start a survery of what "S" products "S" model train enthusiast's want. I have American Model, SHS, DesPlanes Hobby, and other companies modern equiptment that is running on my layout. Send the survery results to Lionel expressing our interest's. Thank You, John Metzger,RN.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64363	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: SHS Stuff

Dear Bob, It seems like we take two steps forward and Kader pushes us one step back. We have most of our inventory that was being stored in China back at our warehouse. Still some stuff there. I think the biggest sticking point has been our open purchase orders. We were ordering track every other month. This allowed us not to have too big an invoice to pay at one time, it also had us looking at our track situation more closely on a regular basis. We have 3 open POs, mostly curved track. The first one is for our most popular track, the 20" curved. It was scheduled to be run the end of last August. A few days before it was to start production, the CFO of Kader told us we had to pay for all 3 POs up front, and then wait for product. We did not have that much $$$ on hand and we decided to have 10" & 15" straight track and flex track shipped from our inventory instead. The problem is that without the 20" curve we could not make up train or track sets, big sellers during the holidays. We are still talking with them about this. The other was the switches. We did send them some funds for the manual and R/C switches as again, we were told we had to pay in advance before they would be tested. They had been produced in the fall of 2009, but we had to test everyone and would not accept untested switches. Some of those are now on a container ship and we should see the first week in May. As far as finding a new builder, we were told by Mr. W.S. Ting (retired founder of Sanda Kan, our builder), that there were 28 companies in China that make model trains. We have been approached by several, but we are waiting until we are closer to getting our tooling back before make any decision on our next builder(s). Thank you for asking, Don On Apr 18, 2011, at 11:56 AM, Robert Lampe wrote: > > Don, > What's the latest news on your company? Will you be up and running > soon or are you still looking for an injection molder? > Bob in Butte [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64364	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: First Time York Report

York Report Spring 2011 In general terms, it was huge, varied and just plain awesome. The small White hall was bigger than nearly all of the shows near me. The other halls were much, much larger. Prices for the same items ranged all over the map. People were friendly and the weather was beautiful. I am certain that I will return to York. Many of the individual items on my seek list were often combined into sets with big numbers. Some folks were asking for as much as three times the price for a particular item as someone else was. Which guy still has his do you suppose? Somehow, I expected the selling tables to be only in the dealer halls and that the member halls would be for personal displays. Nope. Everyone was selling or hoping to. There were at least a metric Gillion tables of great stuff. One of the best features of the York meet (other than the people) is that there are examples of nearly everything. My layout is partly scale, partly tinplate and partly fantasy. All of it is pretty much of a size that fits with 3/16ths inch to the foot. So, it is a little irksome when manufacturers of current production toy trains don't tell what trains are that size. Old references also fail in that area. Some say that a piece is "O-27", but, that doesn't mean much. Compatible with American Flyer is also not always helpful. At York, I could see that Lionel 1690 and 1691 passenger cars are very close. I could also see that Beeps, Beefs and the rest of that marvelous product line are not. I brought a tape measure and learned a bunch that is just not available any other way. I spoke with one of the manufacturers. He told me that one reason York is so big is because it is the center of the largest concentration of toy train people. That makes sense to me. The market is there for new production and for collectors. Details follow for special interest groups. I collect pre-war tin and run 1:64 trains on both O and S tracks. You might enjoy the other stuff in this massive cross-posting even if it is not your primary interest. Marx - the highlight was the Marx Show and Tell. I think it was run by Methodists because there was a collection. There were plenty of interesting examples of odd toys, seasonal offerings and variations. Those present were friendly and accepting. I received Good n Plenty for showing something. It is well worth the time. Trains for sale in the halls must have included at least one of everything Louis made. I did get an Army Ordnance gondola and filled it up with repro parts from Al Schindler and his Grossman Parts booth. There was very, very little New Marx. TCAMG Dinner - Plenty of good food and conversation. It is another place I was able to match faces with e-pen-pal correspondents. Attendees were treated to signed, original art work by Hannah; another big plus of a surprise. The new club car was on display in the Weaver booth - very nice looking. If only I could shrink one by about 1/3 to 1/4, it would be perfect. One of Jerry Truax's camera systems came home with me. Now my video camera won't keep bumping and derailing. That will be nice. Flyer - There was a conflict that kept me away from the Flyer Nut meeting. I did see so much pre- and post-war flyer in 1:64 as well as the much bigger stuff (O-gauge and Standard gauge) that it could have been a year's combined production from the factory. I did buy a wreck of a 4-4-0 Casey Jones to use a base of a kit bashed Whirligig Train from the Facebook game. Oh boy, another project. I found two Wheaties cars. Both were rusty and way over priced. I didn't buy either one. Maybe next time. Same story on Morris reefers. I spoke with one of the manufacturers. He told me that one reason York is so big is because it is the center of the largest concentration of toy train people. That makes sense to me. The market is there for new production and for collectors. No one was in the basement in the northeast States last week. Finally, my car brought me home on 3/4ths of one tank of gas. Thank goodness for the Auto-Train. Very pleasant and stress-free, it added a bunch to the York experience. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64365	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE

I buy them by the gross from SKS. if you need one or two send your address or try a drug store if you need them ASAP. Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 9:29:57 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, danceswithwolves49@... writes: Mike, Where do you get the eyedroppers that you include with the smoke fluid? My wife needs some to feed some kittens that lost their mother. Bob in Butte To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 01:06:29 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] RE: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE I have a "Greenburg's American Flyer Numerical Parts List" for sale Cond E with very little use . a few marks ion the back cover. Amazon has this listed for $85 + shipping. $33 includes shipping USPO MEDIA MAIL.... Contact me off list. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64366	From: Carey Probst	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE

I get them from the local pharmacy. Or plastic syringes without needles. Both work well for giving cats food or medicine, just not a pill. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 4/18/2011 11:53 AM, Robert Lampe wrote: > > > Mike, > Where do you get the eyedroppers that you include with the smoke > fluid? My wife needs some to feed some kittens that lost their mother. > Bob in Butte > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > From: anormal1@... <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> > Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 01:06:29 -0400 > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE > > I have a "Greenburg's American Flyer Numerical Parts List" for sale Cond > E with very little use . a few marks ion the back cover. Amazon has this > listed for $85 + shipping. $33 includes shipping USPO MEDIA MAIL.... > Contact me off list. Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64367	From: Ben	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...

Hi Don- I usually don't spend much time at Andy's table as I am not a paper collector. I believe the Washington prototype is the one that was shown at the meeting on Thursday evening. Always cool to see what shows up there! Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: > > Dear Ben, > Did you see the 1948 AC Gilbert Salesman's binder at Andy Jugle's > table in the White Hall? It was full of promotional material as well > as his notes and order forms on who he sold what too. I did not know > that they made vibrators... There was also the Washington 4-4-0 > prototype in the red hall. > Don >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64368	From: grant bishop	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...

. I did not know that they made vibrators... Did you mean the ... uuuummmm back massager kind? Grant Bishop ^--^ ( WOOF! ) (o o)------- ^ / o \ --------)) U ||)))))))|| /_\ /_\ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64369	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE

On 4/18/2011 8:53 AM, Robert Lampe wrote: > > Mike, > Where do you get the eyedroppers that you include with the smoke fluid? > My wife needs some to feed some kittens that lost their mother. You can get them at most drugstores. Also check the pet aisle to see if they have the tiny pet baby bottles. I just finished bottle feeding four tiny kittens that my wife rescued Saturday! George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64370	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...

Might be the Old School barber type. When was the last time you saw one in a barber shop? Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 1:58:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, gwbishop@... writes: . I did not know that they made vibrators... Did you mean the ... uuuummmm back massager kind? Grant Bishop ^--^ ( WOOF! ) (o o)------- ^ / o \ --------)) U ||)))))))|| /_\ /_\ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64371	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...

No Grant, Think again. Yes, I think they made those. Mike From: grant bishop Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 2:52 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... . I did not know that they made vibrators... Did you mean the ... uuuummmm back massager kind? Grant Bishop ^--^ ( WOOF! ) (o o)------- ^ / o \ --------)) U ||)))))))|| /_\ /_\ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64372	From: Dale Smith	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: New Information at the American Flyer Displays Website

For any of you interested, several important changes have been made at www.americanflyerdisplays.org <http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org>. Slowly but surely, more and more of the history of these layouts is being filled in. The excerpt below is from the "What's New" page and has links to the new information. If you are interested, please visit the site. Dale Smith ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * 4/18/2011 - I have been continuing my research and have learned a lot, which has prompted me to change several pages. Thanks to information provided by American Flyer collector Emil Suda, I have added three articles to the Bibliography. The articles cover 1) A Classic Toy Trains article on the Washington Hall of Science, 2) An American Flyer Collector's Column from S-Gaugian that discusses a wide variety of promotional American Flyer layouts and 3) An article by legendary Gilbert collector Bruce Manson in the Train Collector's Quarterly that provides a great deal of information on the history of the New York Gilbert Hall of Science, including the first floor layouts. Link to Bibliography <http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/bibliography/bibliography.htm>* *That last article provided me with very persuasive information that the layout pictured in the 1946 and 1947 catalogs as the "Railroad Empire" was actually the second layout to occupy the first floor of the New York Hall of Science. I had previously categorized it as a "concept layout," because I was not convinced that it had actually existed. That left only one layout, "The Complete Railroad System" in the concept category, which I now felt was better termed "Other Promotional Layouts." Link to First Floor Layouts <http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/ghos/ghos_first-floor_home.htm>* *Finally, Mr. Suda shared his own research and recollections with me concerning the FAO Schwarz layout and designer Billi Bowen and that section has been changed to reflect that. Link to FAO Schwarz Layout <http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/faoschwarz/fao_home.htm>* [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64373	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...

From:Alan Lambert   Are we talking about the one that fit in the palm and had big springs that your hand slid between . My barber uses one of the newer models. Will put ou to sleep at home though. thanks, Alan --- On Mon, 4/18/11, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 6:39 PM   Might be the Old School barber type. When was the last time you saw one in a barber shop? Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 1:58:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, gwbishop@... writes: . I did not know that they made vibrators... Did you mean the ... uuuummmm back massager kind? Grant Bishop ^--^ ( WOOF! ) (o o)------- ^ / o \ --------)) U ||)))))))|| /_\ /_\ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64374	From: Dennis Back	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...(vibrator)

>>>>Are we talking about the one that fit in the palm and had big springs that your hand slid between . My barber uses one of the newer models. Will put ou to sleep at home though.----------------------- Here is a link to some AC Gilbert patents and items manufactured.  On this page, the vibrator appears a little more than half way down.  Warning: it's a LONG page! http://www.jitterbuzz.com/the_man.html#vibe Dennis So. FL. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64375	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...

Alan, Close, but not used by barbers. YOW, I think I better quit now. LOL Mike Strickland see what you started!!!!!!! But, it is AF related. Mike From: Alan Lambert Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 9:00 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... From:Alan Lambert Are we talking about the one that fit in the palm and had big springs that your hand slid between . My barber uses one of the newer models. Will put ou to sleep at home though. thanks, Alan --- On Mon, 4/18/11, mailto:anormal1%40aol.com <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> wrote: From: mailto:anormal1%40aol.com <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 6:39 PM Might be the Old School barber type. When was the last time you saw one in a barber shop? Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 1:58:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:gwbishop%40dslextreme.com writes: . I did not know that they made vibrators... Did you mean the ... uuuummmm back massager kind? Grant Bishop ^--^ ( WOOF! ) (o o)------- ^ / o \ --------)) U ||)))))))|| /_\ /_\ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64376	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...

That's the one I'm talking about. Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 6:23:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, adlbert1950@... writes: From:Alan Lambert Are we talking about the one that fit in the palm and had big springs that your hand slid between . My barber uses one of the newer models. Will put ou to sleep at home though. thanks, Alan --- On Mon, 4/18/11, _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) <_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) > wrote: From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) <_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 6:39 PM Might be the Old School barber type. When was the last time you saw one in a barber shop? Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 1:58:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _gwbishop@..._ (mailto:gwbishop@...) writes: . I did not know that they made vibrators... Did you mean the ... uuuummmm back massager kind? Grant Bishop ^--^ ( WOOF! ) (o o)------- ^ / o \ --------)) U ||)))))))|| /_\ /_\ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64377	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...

They made the massager "barber shop" type with the springs that fastened to the hand. Gilbert also made the other type intended for more personal applications. The appliance division made hair dryers, fans, malted milk mixers, orange juice squeezers, motorized pencil sharpeners, hand held mixers, "mixmaster" type counter top mixers, motorized hand drills, and possibly other things. I have examples of several of these - the most prevalent are fans. Gilbert made a lot of other items as they tested different markets - I have two examples of giant dominoes and other games, puzzles. and magic sets. One of the stranger ones is a "Twinkler". Looks like an Erector set motor with a pipe clamp. Designed to grab the trunk of a Christmas tree and shake it to make the tinsel shimmer. I haven't tried it but think the whole tree would vibrate its way around the room to the limits of the cord and it would probably shake the water out of the stand. Not all of the items seem to have been the best of ideas. Also there were lots of science and engineering kits with electrical, optical, chemistry, microscope, telescope, atomic energy, physics designs. Tool chests for boys and a lab kit for girls were also in the product line. Bill Drake Thunder alley - St Louis   ________________________________ From: Alan Lambert <adlbert1950@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 8:00:18 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff...   From:Alan Lambert   Are we talking about the one that fit in the palm and had big springs that your hand slid between . My barber uses one of the newer models. Will put ou to sleep at home though. thanks, Alan --- On Mon, 4/18/11, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 6:39 PM   Might be the Old School barber type. When was the last time you saw one in a barber shop? Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 1:58:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, gwbishop@... writes: . I did not know that they made vibrators... Did you mean the ... uuuummmm back massager kind? Grant Bishop ^--^ ( WOOF! ) (o o)------- ^ / o \ --------)) U ||)))))))|| /_\ /_\ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64378	From: George Cohn	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE

On 4/18/2011 9:57 AM, Carey Probst wrote: > I get them from the local pharmacy. Or plastic syringes without needles. > > Both work well for giving cats food or medicine, just not a pill. My four kittens are motherless. I just found their mother dead in the back yard probably due to anti-freeze poisoning. Folks don't realize that when the temperatures warm up, radiators overflow and ethylene glycol is poisonous. Less than a few teaspoons will kill an animal and a few ounces will kill a child. I know this has nothing to do with trains but I love my cats and it makes me sad to see one die due to negligence on the part of a car owner. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64379	From: Frank	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: york apr 15th

What was exciting at York this time around in S scale? let's hear from you frank

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64380	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/18/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...

Oops my bad, sorry. Mike From: anormal1@... Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 9:41 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... That's the one I'm talking about. Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 6:23:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:adlbert1950%40sbcglobal.net writes: From:Alan Lambert Are we talking about the one that fit in the palm and had big springs that your hand slid between . My barber uses one of the newer models. Will put ou to sleep at home though. thanks, Alan --- On Mon, 4/18/11, mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) > wrote: From: mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... To: mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 6:39 PM Might be the Old School barber type. When was the last time you saw one in a barber shop? Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 1:58:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:_gwbishop%40dslextreme.com_ (mailto:mailto:gwbishop%40dslextreme.com) writes: . I did not know that they made vibrators... Did you mean the ... uuuummmm back massager kind? Grant Bishop ^--^ ( WOOF! ) (o o)------- ^ / o \ --------)) U ||)))))))|| /_\ /_\ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64381	From: richs009	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE

George -- sorry to hear about your cat - we've lost two to anti-freeze poisoning. It doesn't take much, even getting a paw 'wet' in a puddle is enough (followed by licking the paw). Ethylene glycol is apparently sweet tasting to cats, so there isn't a natural aversion. Our vet told us that unlike dogs and humans, where at least some amount of ethylene glycol can be tolerated (it will make them very sick nevertheless), in cats, the kidneys can't handle it at all, as it crystallizes in the kidney tissue and mechanically destroys it. Bad scene all around. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: > > On 4/18/2011 9:57 AM, Carey Probst wrote: > > I get them from the local pharmacy. Or plastic syringes without needles. > > > > Both work well for giving cats food or medicine, just not a pill. > > My four kittens are motherless. I just found their mother dead in the > back yard probably due to anti-freeze poisoning. > > Folks don't realize that when the temperatures warm up, radiators > overflow and ethylene glycol is poisonous. Less than a few teaspoons > will kill an animal and a few ounces will kill a child. > > I know this has nothing to do with trains but I love my cats and it > makes me sad to see one die due to negligence on the part of a car owner. > > George Cohn >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64382	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE

George, I'm with you. Our cats love the S scale layout....maybe too much their favorite spot is the tunnels so they can attack that monster that chases them Bob in Butte > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > From: gwcohn@... > Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:55:11 -0700 > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE > > On 4/18/2011 9:57 AM, Carey Probst wrote: > > I get them from the local pharmacy. Or plastic syringes without needles. > > > > Both work well for giving cats food or medicine, just not a pill. > > My four kittens are motherless. I just found their mother dead in the > back yard probably due to anti-freeze poisoning. > > Folks don't realize that when the temperatures warm up, radiators > overflow and ethylene glycol is poisonous. Less than a few teaspoons > will kill an animal and a few ounces will kill a child. > > I know this has nothing to do with trains but I love my cats and it > makes me sad to see one die due to negligence on the part of a car owner. > > George Cohn > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64383	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE

George, Thanks much but as I told Mike and Carey this stupid town has nothing we tried the pet bottles you mention but the ones they had at Wal-Mart were virtually useless. Mike said he'd send me some eyedroppers and they should be here in a day or two I think we'll make it that long thanks again. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: gwcohn@... Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 12:45:28 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE On 4/18/2011 8:53 AM, Robert Lampe wrote: > > Mike, > Where do you get the eyedroppers that you include with the smoke fluid? > My wife needs some to feed some kittens that lost their mother. You can get them at most drugstores. Also check the pet aisle to see if they have the tiny pet baby bottles. I just finished bottle feeding four tiny kittens that my wife rescued Saturday! George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64384	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE

Carey, As I told Mike, the local pharmacies here do not have them anymore (CVS and Wal-Mart) Wal- Mart here hasn't got much of anything really. They discontinued their models completely so now if I want any model planes cars tanks etc I go to K-Mart. Bob in Butte > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > From: s-scale@... > Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 12:57:24 -0400 > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE > > I get them from the local pharmacy. Or plastic syringes without needles. > > Both work well for giving cats food or medicine, just not a pill. > > Carey > > Carey Probst > > Member, M.I.T. Educational Council > > S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF > > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, > > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. > > > On 4/18/2011 11:53 AM, Robert Lampe wrote: > > > > > > Mike, > > Where do you get the eyedroppers that you include with the smoke > > fluid? My wife needs some to feed some kittens that lost their mother. > > Bob in Butte > > > > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: anormal1@... <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> > > Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 01:06:29 -0400 > > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE > > > > I have a "Greenburg's American Flyer Numerical Parts List" for sale Cond > > E with very little use . a few marks ion the back cover. Amazon has this > > listed for $85 + shipping. $33 includes shipping USPO MEDIA MAIL.... > > Contact me off list. Mike > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64385	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE

Mike below is my address. Local drug stores here(CVS and Wal-Mart) have nothing. 2 or 3 will work fine. Thanks much. Bob in Butte Robert W. Lampe P.O. Box 171 Butte,MT 59703-0171 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: anormal1@... Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:42:52 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE I buy them by the gross from SKS. if you need one or two send your address or try a drug store if you need them ASAP. Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 9:29:57 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, danceswithwolves49@... writes: Mike, Where do you get the eyedroppers that you include with the smoke fluid? My wife needs some to feed some kittens that lost their mother. Bob in Butte To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 01:06:29 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] RE: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE I have a "Greenburg's American Flyer Numerical Parts List" for sale Cond E with very little use . a few marks ion the back cover. Amazon has this listed for $85 + shipping. $33 includes shipping USPO MEDIA MAIL.... Contact me off list. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64386	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...

From: Alan Lambert   The one shown like I was talking about had leather or cloth straps and the motor was on top of your hand, right or left did not mater. Ihad said it fit in the palm. My wrong.  See the one below the other type that had the removable tips. --- On Mon, 4/18/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 9:58 PM   Oops my bad, sorry. Mike From: anormal1@... Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 9:41 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... That's the one I'm talking about. Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 6:23:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:adlbert1950%40sbcglobal.net writes: From:Alan Lambert Are we talking about the one that fit in the palm and had big springs that your hand slid between . My barber uses one of the newer models. Will put ou to sleep at home though. thanks, Alan --- On Mon, 4/18/11, mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) > wrote: From: mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... To: mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 6:39 PM Might be the Old School barber type. When was the last time you saw one in a barber shop? Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 1:58:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:_gwbishop%40dslextreme.com_ (mailto:mailto:gwbishop%40dslextreme.com) writes: . I did not know that they made vibrators... Did you mean the ... uuuummmm back massager kind? Grant Bishop ^--^ ( WOOF! ) (o o)------- ^ / o \ --------)) U ||)))))))|| /_\ /_\ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64387	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: SHS Stuff

Don, Thanks much for the reply. I'm real sorry for your dilemma in more ways than one. In addition to longer delays for your trackage it also means longer before your F-units are back and I was really looking forward to getting 2 lashups one set of three (2 a's and 1 B) for passenger and a set of 4 (2 A's and 2 B's) for freight. I surely hope that circumstances take a turn for the better and soon. Best Wishes Bob To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: don@... Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:42:05 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SHS Stuff Dear Bob, It seems like we take two steps forward and Kader pushes us one step back. We have most of our inventory that was being stored in China back at our warehouse. Still some stuff there. I think the biggest sticking point has been our open purchase orders. We were ordering track every other month. This allowed us not to have too big an invoice to pay at one time, it also had us looking at our track situation more closely on a regular basis. We have 3 open POs, mostly curved track. The first one is for our most popular track, the 20" curved. It was scheduled to be run the end of last August. A few days before it was to start production, the CFO of Kader told us we had to pay for all 3 POs up front, and then wait for product. We did not have that much $$$ on hand and we decided to have 10" & 15" straight track and flex track shipped from our inventory instead. The problem is that without the 20" curve we could not make up train or track sets, big sellers during the holidays. We are still talking with them about this. The other was the switches. We did send them some funds for the manual and R/C switches as again, we were told we had to pay in advance before they would be tested. They had been produced in the fall of 2009, but we had to test everyone and would not accept untested switches. Some of those are now on a container ship and we should see the first week in May. As far as finding a new builder, we were told by Mr. W.S. Ting (retired founder of Sanda Kan, our builder), that there were 28 companies in China that make model trains. We have been approached by several, but we are waiting until we are closer to getting our tooling back before make any decision on our next builder(s). Thank you for asking, Don On Apr 18, 2011, at 11:56 AM, Robert Lampe wrote: > > Don, > What's the latest news on your company? Will you be up and running > soon or are you still looking for an injection molder? > Bob in Butte [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64388	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...

That's OK Mike, I know you listen to T. Waits & read the dreaded Neil Y. In a message dated 4/18/2011 8:27:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Oops my bad, sorry. Mike From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 9:41 PM To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... That's the one I'm talking about. Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 6:23:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:adlbert1950%40sbcglobal.net writes: From:Alan Lambert Are we talking about the one that fit in the palm and had big springs that your hand slid between . My barber uses one of the newer models. Will put ou to sleep at home though. thanks, Alan --- On Mon, 4/18/11, mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) > wrote: From: mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... To: mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 6:39 PM Might be the Old School barber type. When was the last time you saw one in a barber shop? Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 1:58:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:_gwbishop%40dslextreme.com_ (mailto:mailto:gwbishop%40dslextreme.com) writes: . I did not know that they made vibrators... Did you mean the ... uuuummmm back massager kind? Grant Bishop ^--^ ( WOOF! ) (o o)------- ^ / o \ --------)) U ||)))))))|| /_\ /_\ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64389	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...

On a serious note, one of my AF switch boxes, had left over material for appliances, boxes, cut up for packing. I have a perfect cut piece for the box that says Electric Cooker, with a lady and the item with Gilbert on the cardboard. I should post a picture of it, as I might of already. Mike From: Bill Drake Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 10:17 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... They made the massager "barber shop" type with the springs that fastened to the hand. Gilbert also made the other type intended for more personal applications. The appliance division made hair dryers, fans, malted milk mixers, orange juice squeezers, motorized pencil sharpeners, hand held mixers, "mixmaster" type counter top mixers, motorized hand drills, and possibly other things. I have examples of several of these - the most prevalent are fans. Gilbert made a lot of other items as they tested different markets - I have two examples of giant dominoes and other games, puzzles. and magic sets. One of the stranger ones is a "Twinkler". Looks like an Erector set motor with a pipe clamp. Designed to grab the trunk of a Christmas tree and shake it to make the tinsel shimmer. I haven't tried it but think the whole tree would vibrate its way around the room to the limits of the cord and it would probably shake the water out of the stand. Not all of the items seem to have been the best of ideas. Also there were lots of science and engineering kits with electrical, optical, chemistry, microscope, telescope, atomic energy, physics designs. Tool chests for boys and a lab kit for girls were also in the product line. Bill Drake Thunder alley - St Louis ________________________________ From: Alan Lambert <mailto:adlbert1950%40sbcglobal.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 8:00:18 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... From:Alan Lambert Are we talking about the one that fit in the palm and had big springs that your hand slid between . My barber uses one of the newer models. Will put ou to sleep at home though. thanks, Alan --- On Mon, 4/18/11, mailto:anormal1%40aol.com <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> wrote: From: mailto:anormal1%40aol.com <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 6:39 PM Might be the Old School barber type. When was the last time you saw one in a barber shop? Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 1:58:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:gwbishop%40dslextreme.com writes: . I did not know that they made vibrators... Did you mean the ... uuuummmm back massager kind? Grant Bishop ^--^ ( WOOF! ) (o o)------- ^ / o \ --------)) U ||)))))))|| /_\ /_\ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64390	From: sscale@bestweb.net	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: New Locomotive Project

> Lionel promised an SD40-2 once. I > don't remember if they officially announced that it was cancelled or if > they > just stopped talking about it. How far along were they with it? They got to the point of doing an airbrushed  illustration of an Athearn model.   Now that we have modern technology, they could do a much higher quality job with Photoshop. Stan Stokrocki [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64391	From: CC	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...

I have a cast iron lamp base with an AC Gilbert label on it. Looks like they were really diverse. Charlie Clougherty Claremont NH ________________________________ From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 10:17:51 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... They made the massager "barber shop" type with the springs that fastened to the hand. Gilbert also made the other type intended for more personal applications. The appliance division made hair dryers, fans, malted milk mixers, orange juice squeezers, motorized pencil sharpeners, hand held mixers, "mixmaster" type counter top mixers, motorized hand drills, and possibly other things. I have examples of several of these - the most prevalent are fans. Gilbert made a lot of other items as they tested different markets - I have two examples of giant dominoes and other games, puzzles. and magic sets. One of the stranger ones is a "Twinkler". Looks like an Erector set motor with a pipe clamp. Designed to grab the trunk of a Christmas tree and shake it to make the tinsel shimmer. I haven't tried it but think the whole tree would vibrate its way around the room to the limits of the cord and it would probably shake the water out of the stand. Not all of the items seem to have been the best of ideas. Also there were lots of science and engineering kits with electrical, optical, chemistry, microscope, telescope, atomic energy, physics designs. Tool chests for boys and a lab kit for girls were also in the product line. Bill Drake Thunder alley - St Louis ________________________________ From: Alan Lambert <adlbert1950@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 8:00:18 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... From:Alan Lambert Are we talking about the one that fit in the palm and had big springs that your hand slid between . My barber uses one of the newer models. Will put ou to sleep at home though. thanks, Alan --- On Mon, 4/18/11, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 6:39 PM Might be the Old School barber type. When was the last time you saw one in a barber shop? Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 1:58:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, gwbishop@... writes: . I did not know that they made vibrators... Did you mean the ... uuuummmm back massager kind? Grant Bishop ^--^ ( WOOF! ) (o o)------- ^ / o \ --------)) U ||)))))))|| /_\ /_\ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64392	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...

Mike, That is okay, as I will keep sending you Tom Waits and Neil YouTube's, to keep you entertained while you make more bottles of your smoke fluid. I think you are the only one not effected by China in the train world. Mike From: anormal1@... Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 11:29 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... That's OK Mike, I know you listen to T. Waits & read the dreaded Neil Y. In a message dated 4/18/2011 8:27:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net writes: Oops my bad, sorry. Mike From: mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 9:41 PM To: mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... That's the one I'm talking about. Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 6:23:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:adlbert1950%40sbcglobal.net writes: From:Alan Lambert Are we talking about the one that fit in the palm and had big springs that your hand slid between . My barber uses one of the newer models. Will put ou to sleep at home though. thanks, Alan --- On Mon, 4/18/11, mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) > wrote: From: mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... To: mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 6:39 PM Might be the Old School barber type. When was the last time you saw one in a barber shop? Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 1:58:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:_gwbishop%40dslextreme.com_ (mailto:mailto:gwbishop%40dslextreme.com) writes: . I did not know that they made vibrators... Did you mean the ... uuuummmm back massager kind? Grant Bishop ^--^ ( WOOF! ) (o o)------- ^ / o \ --------)) U ||)))))))|| /_\ /_\ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64393	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE

Related - Looks to me like our local Hobby Lobby is starting to discontinue carrying the Lionel line? Is this just a local (Colorado) thing? Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lampe" <danceswithwolves49@...> To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 9:54:04 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] RE: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE Carey, As I told Mike, the local pharmacies here do not have them anymore (CVS and Wal-Mart) Wal- Mart here hasn't got much of anything really. They discontinued their models completely so now if I want any model planes cars tanks etc I go to K-Mart. Bob in Butte > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > From: s-scale@... > Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 12:57:24 -0400 > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE > > I get them from the local pharmacy. Or plastic syringes without needles. > > Both work well for giving cats food or medicine, just not a pill. > > Carey > > Carey Probst > > Member, M.I.T. Educational Council > > S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF > > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, > > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. > > > On 4/18/2011 11:53 AM, Robert Lampe wrote: > > > > > > Mike, > > Where do you get the eyedroppers that you include with the smoke > > fluid? My wife needs some to feed some kittens that lost their mother. > > Bob in Butte > > > > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > From: anormal1@... <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> > > Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 01:06:29 -0400 > > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE > > > > I have a "Greenburg's American Flyer Numerical Parts List" for sale Cond > > E with very little use . a few marks ion the back cover. Amazon has this > > listed for $85 + shipping. $33 includes shipping USPO MEDIA MAIL.... > > Contact me off list. Mike > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo ! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64394	From: Glenn	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: york apr 15th

S-Scale and S-Gauge (1/64th) S-TrainsYork was exciting because S-Helper was there and still trying to find a new manufacturer. Balston Locomotive works has come out with a new casting that will run on a Hudson chassis and has a Wooton boiler suitable for Reading or CNJ locos in S gauge. As always there were many American Flyer and S-Helper dealers including Joe Haenn, Doug Peck, Gary Clark and John Vanacore. Lionel is coming out with a circus train, extra circus cars based on Ringling Brothers as well as Fastrack. Lionel hopes to have starter sets soon. Glenn --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frankpaddell@...> wrote: > > What was exciting at York this time around in S scale? let's hear from you > frank > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64395	From: Timboy	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: First Time York Report

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote: My layout is partly scale, partly tinplate and partly fantasy. All of it is pretty much of a size that fits with 3/16ths inch to the foot. Bill, Do you have a web site or blog where you show pics and vids of your train layout? It sounds interesting. Thanks, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64396	From: Thorinn Marty	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: Seaboard B-7 Box Car DIGITAL FLYER

Dear Bob: This is an important car. Although I have frequently purchased equipment to just help the hobby, I plan to sit this one out. The SAL round top boxcar is an important railcar but the date of my layout is 2011 and will advance with the calendar. The 'operating museum' contains way too much equipment already. The other issue is time. I recently counted and realized I already have well over 50 kits (boxcars, PRS covered hoppers (my favorite), buildings, HMS Mayflower) to build and about 30 scratch building projects (electric locomotives (14+), modules, trolleys and interurbans, more) in the works. Plus my book project (first proofs hoped for in six short years). The SAL kit will never rise to the top of the priorities list. This kit will just gather dust, hoping someday to recover purchase price (ignoring inflation). I don't see it as a good purchase for me. But if you are three short, contact me again. You know I am a sofftie and can scrape up the funds. Good luck on this project! Nice flyer! I hope it is a go! This IS the way to get this done! Thorin ________________________________ From: Bob McCarthy <thesupplycar@...> To: Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 11:41:29 PM Subject: Fw: [Southeastern_ScaleS_modular_layout] Seaboard B-7 Box Car DIGITAL FLYER Read the attached advertisement about the SMMW proposed SAL B-7 boxcar. If you ever wanted this car sign up with Jim now. Bob McCarthy --- On Tue, 4/19/11, John Degnan <Scaler164@...> wrote: Ok, folks... here is a link to a flyer I just finished making for my Seaboard B-7 round roof box car model. I designed it as a web page, but it can be printed and distributed freely by anyone and everyone who wants to see this project happen. PLEASE print it out and distribute it to your hobby shops, clubs, any train shows or conventions you attend, and all your railroad modeling buddies : http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/SALB-7Flyer.htm Or... you can just share this link with others. John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64397	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: First Time York Report

Oh Dear, Oh My, Oh Yes I do. Take a look at: http://wpporter.duckburg.us/ There you will see progress reports on the new, dual-gauge ZOT, an older layout or two, layouts belonging to my friends, some links and considerable and varied hoopla. I have been training in various scales since High School in the late '50's. Before that, I had a Flyer, figure eight setup with cardboard trestles. It is what got me hooked on trains. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Timboy Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 9:00 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: First Time York Report --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote: My layout is partly scale, partly tinplate and partly fantasy. All of it is pretty much of a size that fits with 3/16ths inch to the foot. Bill, Do you have a web site or blog where you show pics and vids of your train layout? It sounds interesting. Thanks, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64398	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: U 33 C

I have it on good authority that there are NO cancellations in the U 33 C selection on this date. There is not a firm delivery date either, I think if you start to add 2 & 2, you'll figure out that J P Morgan-Chase left Sanda Kahn in far worse condition that was originally thought. My guess, NO one elses. Jim " getting ready to pump on the Keystone Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64399	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: First Time York Report

Hi Bill, Your Marx Gator train is way kewl! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Oh Dear, Oh My, Oh Yes I do. Take a look at: > http://wpporter.duckburg.us/ > There you will see progress reports on the new, dual-gauge ZOT, an older > layout or two, layouts belonging to my friends, some links and > considerable and varied hoopla. I have been training in various scales > since High School in the late '50's. Before that, I had a Flyer, figure > eight setup with cardboard trestles. It is what got me hooked on trains. > > Bill > > Reply from Bill Porter > South Florida > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Timboy > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 9:00 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: First Time York Report > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@> wrote: > My layout is partly scale, partly tinplate and partly fantasy. All of > it is pretty much of a size that fits with 3/16ths inch to the foot. > > Bill, > > Do you have a web site or blog where you show pics and vids of your > train layout? It sounds interesting. > > Thanks, > Timboy >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64400	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: Marx Gator Train

Why thank you, BG. My son has a couple of degrees from there and my grandson selected the theme in honor of his uncle. Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bull_gator_1 Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 1:36 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: First Time York Report Hi Bill, Your Marx Gator train is way kewl! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64401	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...

Me & Kadee are both here in the USA. It's a shame, Kadee can't be approached to make "S" items here. They compete with the cars made overseas. So does micro trains. Mike In a message dated 4/19/2011 9:58:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Mike, That is okay, as I will keep sending you Tom Waits and Neil YouTube's, to keep you entertained while you make more bottles of your smoke fluid. I think you are the only one not effected by China in the train world. Mike From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 11:29 PM To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... That's OK Mike, I know you listen to T. Waits & read the dreaded Neil Y. In a message dated 4/18/2011 8:27:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net writes: Oops my bad, sorry. Mike From: mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 9:41 PM To: mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... That's the one I'm talking about. Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 6:23:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:adlbert1950%40sbcglobal.net writes: From:Alan Lambert Are we talking about the one that fit in the palm and had big springs that your hand slid between . My barber uses one of the newer models. Will put ou to sleep at home though. thanks, Alan --- On Mon, 4/18/11, mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) > wrote: From: mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... To: mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 6:39 PM Might be the Old School barber type. When was the last time you saw one in a barber shop? Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 1:58:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:_gwbishop%40dslextreme.com_ (mailto:mailto:gwbishop%40dslextreme.com) writes: . I did not know that they made vibrators... Did you mean the ... uuuummmm back massager kind? Grant Bishop ^--^ ( WOOF! ) (o o)------- ^ / o \ --------)) U ||)))))))|| /_\ /_\ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64402	From: Timboy	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: First Time York Report

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Oh Dear, Oh My, Oh Yes I do. Take a look at: > http://wpporter.duckburg.us/ > There you will see progress reports on the new, dual-gauge ZOT, an older > layout or two, layouts belonging to my friends, some links and > considerable and varied hoopla. I have been training in various scales > since High School in the late '50's. Before that, I had a Flyer, figure > eight setup with cardboard trestles. It is what got me hooked on trains. > > Bill > > Reply from Bill Porter > South Florida Hi Bill, I didn't see many pics or vids of S gauge trains on your site, other than a few pics of some modules in their early stages. There is one short series of an N Gauge layout that looks nice. Sorry. I was expecting a grand S gauge treat! Maybe I'm missing something on that site... Regards, Timboy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Timboy > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 9:00 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: First Time York Report > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@> wrote: > My layout is partly scale, partly tinplate and partly fantasy. All of > it is pretty much of a size that fits with 3/16ths inch to the foot. > > Bill, > > Do you have a web site or blog where you show pics and vids of your > train layout? It sounds interesting. > > Thanks, > Timboy >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64403	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: First Time York Report

I thoroughly enjoyed The Royal Palm & Loxahatchee Central Modular Railroad which is S scale. Also the S-Scale Zilwaukee, Okeechobee and Tremungus - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 4/19/2011 3:58:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, timstrains2000@... writes: --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Oh Dear, Oh My, Oh Yes I do. Take a look at: > _http://wpporter.duckburg.us/_ (http://wpporter.duckburg.us/) > There you will see progress reports on the new, dual-gauge ZOT, an older > layout or two, layouts belonging to my friends, some links and > considerable and varied hoopla. I have been training in various scales > since High School in the late '50's. Before that, I had a Flyer, figure > eight setup with cardboard trestles. It is what got me hooked on trains. > > Bill > > Reply from Bill Porter > South Florida Hi Bill, I didn't see many pics or vids of S gauge trains on your site, other than a few pics of some modules in their early stages. There is one short series of an N Gauge layout that looks nice. Sorry. I was expecting a grand S gauge treat! Maybe I'm missing something on that site... Regards, Timboy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ] On > Behalf Of Timboy > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 9:00 AM > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: First Time York Report > > > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "Bill Porter" <wpporter@> wrote: > My layout is partly scale, partly tinplate and partly fantasy. All of > it is pretty much of a size that fits with 3/16ths inch to the foot. > > Bill, > > Do you have a web site or blog where you show pics and vids of your > train layout? It sounds interesting. > > Thanks, > Timboy > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64404	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: First Time York Report

Thanks Earl, I did too. I am finishing up a lengthy redecoration effort in the house. Once the last room is done, I'll be able to get on with the scenery and that is the part I like the best. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tennsgauge@... Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 5:43 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: First Time York Report I thoroughly enjoyed The Royal Palm & Loxahatchee Central Modular Railroad which is S scale. Also the S-Scale Zilwaukee, Okeechobee and Tremungus - Earl Henry, Nashville

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64405	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: First Time York Report

Hmmm, OK. The current ZOT (under construction) is in a set of pages attached to: http://wpporter.duckburg.us/zot2009.htm A portable S-Scale layout can be found in pages connected at: http://wpporter.duckburg.us/rp_lc_index.htm The 2002 incarnation of the ZOT is in a set of pages at: http://wpporter.duckburg.us/zot2002.htm Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- Hi Bill, I didn't see many pics or vids of S gauge trains on your site, other than a few pics of some modules in their early stages. There is one short series of an N Gauge layout that looks nice. Sorry. I was expecting a grand S gauge treat! Maybe I'm missing something on that site... Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64406	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: If you didn't

visit the TCA's National Toy Train Museum on Wed April 13, this is some of what you missed. _http://www.tcamembers.org/netvision/_ (http://www.tcamembers.org/netvision/) Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64407	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...

Mike, Micro-trains is, or was, a subsidiary of Kadee Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: anormal1@... Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:26:57 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... Me & Kadee are both here in the USA. It's a shame, Kadee can't be approached to make "S" items here. They compete with the cars made overseas. So does micro trains. Mike In a message dated 4/19/2011 9:58:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Mike, That is okay, as I will keep sending you Tom Waits and Neil YouTube's, to keep you entertained while you make more bottles of your smoke fluid. I think you are the only one not effected by China in the train world. Mike From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 11:29 PM To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... That's OK Mike, I know you listen to T. Waits & read the dreaded Neil Y. In a message dated 4/18/2011 8:27:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net writes: Oops my bad, sorry. Mike From: mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 9:41 PM To: mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... That's the one I'm talking about. Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 6:23:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:adlbert1950%40sbcglobal.net writes: From:Alan Lambert Are we talking about the one that fit in the palm and had big springs that your hand slid between . My barber uses one of the newer models. Will put ou to sleep at home though. thanks, Alan --- On Mon, 4/18/11, mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) > wrote: From: mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... To: mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 6:39 PM Might be the Old School barber type. When was the last time you saw one in a barber shop? Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 1:58:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:_gwbishop%40dslextreme.com_ (mailto:mailto:gwbishop%40dslextreme.com) writes: . I did not know that they made vibrators... Did you mean the ... uuuummmm back massager kind? Grant Bishop ^--^ ( WOOF! ) (o o)------- ^ / o \ --------)) U ||)))))))|| /_\ /_\ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64408	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE

Before my wife and I met nd got married she had every cat she owned poisoned by anti-freeze. We suspect her ex a real piece of work. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: richs009@... Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 05:30:55 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: GREENBURGS # PARTS LIST FOR SALE George -- sorry to hear about your cat - we've lost two to anti-freeze poisoning. It doesn't take much, even getting a paw 'wet' in a puddle is enough (followed by licking the paw). Ethylene glycol is apparently sweet tasting to cats, so there isn't a natural aversion. Our vet told us that unlike dogs and humans, where at least some amount of ethylene glycol can be tolerated (it will make them very sick nevertheless), in cats, the kidneys can't handle it at all, as it crystallizes in the kidney tissue and mechanically destroys it. Bad scene all around. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: > > On 4/18/2011 9:57 AM, Carey Probst wrote: > > I get them from the local pharmacy. Or plastic syringes without needles. > > > > Both work well for giving cats food or medicine, just not a pill. > > My four kittens are motherless. I just found their mother dead in the > back yard probably due to anti-freeze poisoning. > > Folks don't realize that when the temperatures warm up, radiators > overflow and ethylene glycol is poisonous. Less than a few teaspoons > will kill an animal and a few ounces will kill a child. > > I know this has nothing to do with trains but I love my cats and it > makes me sad to see one die due to negligence on the part of a car owner. > > George Cohn > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64409	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: ITEMS FOR SALE

Guys and GAL!!... Here is a few more listings I am going to post soon.... Giving the list first chance to aquire..... All lionel stuff is MIB.... never opened.... will attach label to the shipping box that I got them in.   CHICAGO AND ALTON SET WITH 2 EXTRA CARS ------------------------------ 699.00 5002T CIRCUS SET - OB - ALL PUNCHOUTS ------------------------------------ 2799.00 LIONEL H/W PASS SET - 6 CARS - UP ---------------------------------------------- 399.00 LIONEL H/W PASS SET - 6 CARS - PENN ------------------------------------------ 399.00 LIONEL H/W PASS SET - 6 CARS - NYC -------------------------------------------- 399.00 375 VG GEEP - REAL!!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------ 1399.00   Run search on chief-pile-it on ebay to see pics of the above... Or I can send you a link....Going to post later this week but at higher prices.... All above plus postage...   Bob Conner ...... contact me off list   Was taking this and others to York.... But Health prevented it..... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64410	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: Marx Gator Train

Bill, I have a BS in Chemical Engineering and an MBA from good old UF. As your son knows - it's great to be a Florida Gator! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Why thank you, BG. My son has a couple of degrees from there and my > grandson selected the theme in honor of his uncle. > > Reply from Bill Porter > South Florida > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of bull_gator_1 > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 1:36 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: First Time York Report > > > Hi Bill, > > Your Marx Gator train is way kewl! > > BG1 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64411	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: If you didn't

The Lionel/Flyer stuff is at http://www.tcamembers.org/netvision/lionel1.htm Fast-forward to 26:00 Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64412	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...

They split. Kadee is in White City & Micro Trains is in Talent Ore. Both only 5-10 miles from me. Mike In a message dated 4/19/2011 6:14:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, danceswithwolves49@... writes: Mike, Micro-trains is, or was, a subsidiary of Kadee Bob in Butte To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:26:57 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... Me & Kadee are both here in the USA. It's a shame, Kadee can't be approached to make "S" items here. They compete with the cars made overseas. So does micro trains. Mike In a message dated 4/19/2011 9:58:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:mlmarmer@...) writes: Mike, That is okay, as I will keep sending you Tom Waits and Neil YouTube's, to keep you entertained while you make more bottles of your smoke fluid. I think you are the only one not effected by China in the train world. Mike From: __anormal1@..._ (mailto:_anormal1@...) _ (mailto:_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) ) Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 11:29 PM To: __S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... That's OK Mike, I know you listen to T. Waits & read the dreaded Neil Y. In a message dated 4/18/2011 8:27:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net writes: Oops my bad, sorry. Mike From: mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 9:41 PM To: mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... That's the one I'm talking about. Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 6:23:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:adlbert1950%40sbcglobal.net writes: From:Alan Lambert Are we talking about the one that fit in the palm and had big springs that your hand slid between . My barber uses one of the newer models. Will put ou to sleep at home though. thanks, Alan --- On Mon, 4/18/11, mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) > wrote: From: mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... To: mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 6:39 PM Might be the Old School barber type. When was the last time you saw one in a barber shop? Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 1:58:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:_gwbishop%40dslextreme.com_ (mailto:mailto:gwbishop%40dslextreme.com) writes: . I did not know that they made vibrators... Did you mean the ... uuuummmm back massager kind? Grant Bishop ^--^ ( WOOF! ) (o o)------- ^ / o \ --------)) U ||)))))))|| /_\ /_\ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64413	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/19/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...

Mike, Thanks for the heads up didn't know they split. Yeah forgot you're in Medford. Did Kadee discontinue their S scale coupler? Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: anormal1@... Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 21:32:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... They split. Kadee is in White City & Micro Trains is in Talent Ore. Both only 5-10 miles from me. Mike In a message dated 4/19/2011 6:14:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, danceswithwolves49@... writes: Mike, Micro-trains is, or was, a subsidiary of Kadee Bob in Butte To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:26:57 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... Me & Kadee are both here in the USA. It's a shame, Kadee can't be approached to make "S" items here. They compete with the cars made overseas. So does micro trains. Mike In a message dated 4/19/2011 9:58:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:mlmarmer@...) writes: Mike, That is okay, as I will keep sending you Tom Waits and Neil YouTube's, to keep you entertained while you make more bottles of your smoke fluid. I think you are the only one not effected by China in the train world. Mike From: __anormal1@..._ (mailto:_anormal1@...) _ (mailto:_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) ) Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 11:29 PM To: __S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... That's OK Mike, I know you listen to T. Waits & read the dreaded Neil Y. In a message dated 4/18/2011 8:27:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net writes: Oops my bad, sorry. Mike From: mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 9:41 PM To: mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... That's the one I'm talking about. Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 6:23:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:adlbert1950%40sbcglobal.net writes: From:Alan Lambert Are we talking about the one that fit in the palm and had big springs that your hand slid between . My barber uses one of the newer models. Will put ou to sleep at home though. thanks, Alan --- On Mon, 4/18/11, mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) > wrote: From: mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... To: mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 6:39 PM Might be the Old School barber type. When was the last time you saw one in a barber shop? Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 1:58:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:_gwbishop%40dslextreme.com_ (mailto:mailto:gwbishop%40dslextreme.com) writes: . I did not know that they made vibrators... Did you mean the ... uuuummmm back massager kind? Grant Bishop ^--^ ( WOOF! ) (o o)------- ^ / o \ --------)) U ||)))))))|| /_\ /_\ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64414	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...

Not that I know of, I think it's a #8 ...I think, Mike In a message dated 4/19/2011 7:10:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, danceswithwolves49@... writes: Mike, Thanks for the heads up didn't know they split. Yeah forgot you're in Medford. Did Kadee discontinue their S scale coupler? Bob in Butte To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 21:32:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... They split. Kadee is in White City & Micro Trains is in Talent Ore. Both only 5-10 miles from me. Mike In a message dated 4/19/2011 6:14:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _danceswithwolves49@..._ (mailto:danceswithwolves49@...) writes: Mike, Micro-trains is, or was, a subsidiary of Kadee Bob in Butte To: __S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) From: __anormal1@..._ (mailto:_anormal1@...) _ (mailto:_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) ) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:26:57 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... Me & Kadee are both here in the USA. It's a shame, Kadee can't be approached to make "S" items here. They compete with the cars made overseas. So does micro trains. Mike In a message dated 4/19/2011 9:58:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, __mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:_mlmarmer@...) _ (mailto:_mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:mlmarmer@...) ) writes: Mike, That is okay, as I will keep sending you Tom Waits and Neil YouTube's, to keep you entertained while you make more bottles of your smoke fluid. I think you are the only one not effected by China in the train world. Mike From: ___anormal1@..._ (mailto:__anormal1@...) _ (mailto:__anormal1@..._ (mailto:_anormal1@...) ) _ (mailto:__anormal1@..._ (mailto:_anormal1@...) _ (mailto:_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) ) ) Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 11:29 PM To: ___S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:__S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:__S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) _ (mailto:__S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) ) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... That's OK Mike, I know you listen to T. Waits & read the dreaded Neil Y. In a message dated 4/18/2011 8:27:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net writes: Oops my bad, sorry. Mike From: mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 9:41 PM To: mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... That's the one I'm talking about. Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 6:23:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:adlbert1950%40sbcglobal.net writes: From:Alan Lambert Are we talking about the one that fit in the palm and had big springs that your hand slid between . My barber uses one of the newer models. Will put ou to sleep at home though. thanks, Alan --- On Mon, 4/18/11, mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) > wrote: From: mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... To: mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 6:39 PM Might be the Old School barber type. When was the last time you saw one in a barber shop? Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 1:58:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:_gwbishop%40dslextreme.com_ (mailto:mailto:gwbishop%40dslextreme.com) writes: . I did not know that they made vibrators... Did you mean the ... uuuummmm back massager kind? Grant Bishop ^--^ ( WOOF! ) (o o)------- ^ / o \ --------)) U ||)))))))|| /_\ /_\ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64415	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/20/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...

Thanks again Mike I used #802's back in the late 80's maybe they just renumbered it. Bob To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: anormal1@... Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 22:42:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... Not that I know of, I think it's a #8 ...I think, Mike In a message dated 4/19/2011 7:10:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, danceswithwolves49@... writes: Mike, Thanks for the heads up didn't know they split. Yeah forgot you're in Medford. Did Kadee discontinue their S scale coupler? Bob in Butte To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 21:32:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... They split. Kadee is in White City & Micro Trains is in Talent Ore. Both only 5-10 miles from me. Mike In a message dated 4/19/2011 6:14:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _danceswithwolves49@..._ (mailto:danceswithwolves49@...) writes: Mike, Micro-trains is, or was, a subsidiary of Kadee Bob in Butte To: __S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) From: __anormal1@..._ (mailto:_anormal1@...) _ (mailto:_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) ) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:26:57 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... Me & Kadee are both here in the USA. It's a shame, Kadee can't be approached to make "S" items here. They compete with the cars made overseas. So does micro trains. Mike In a message dated 4/19/2011 9:58:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, __mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:_mlmarmer@...) _ (mailto:_mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:mlmarmer@...) ) writes: Mike, That is okay, as I will keep sending you Tom Waits and Neil YouTube's, to keep you entertained while you make more bottles of your smoke fluid. I think you are the only one not effected by China in the train world. Mike From: ___anormal1@..._ (mailto:__anormal1@...) _ (mailto:__anormal1@..._ (mailto:_anormal1@...) ) _ (mailto:__anormal1@..._ (mailto:_anormal1@...) _ (mailto:_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) ) ) Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 11:29 PM To: ___S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:__S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:__S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) _ (mailto:__S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) ) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... That's OK Mike, I know you listen to T. Waits & read the dreaded Neil Y. In a message dated 4/18/2011 8:27:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net writes: Oops my bad, sorry. Mike From: mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 9:41 PM To: mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... That's the one I'm talking about. Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 6:23:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:adlbert1950%40sbcglobal.net writes: From:Alan Lambert Are we talking about the one that fit in the palm and had big springs that your hand slid between . My barber uses one of the newer models. Will put ou to sleep at home though. thanks, Alan --- On Mon, 4/18/11, mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) > wrote: From: mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... To: mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 6:39 PM Might be the Old School barber type. When was the last time you saw one in a barber shop? Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 1:58:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:_gwbishop%40dslextreme.com_ (mailto:mailto:gwbishop%40dslextreme.com) writes: . I did not know that they made vibrators... Did you mean the ... uuuummmm back massager kind? Grant Bishop ^--^ ( WOOF! ) (o o)------- ^ / o \ --------)) U ||)))))))|| /_\ /_\ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64416	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...

I think you are right, 802 sounds about right, Mike In a message dated 4/20/2011 9:43:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, danceswithwolves49@... writes: Thanks again Mike I used #802's back in the late 80's maybe they just renumbered it. Bob To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 22:42:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... Not that I know of, I think it's a #8 ...I think, Mike In a message dated 4/19/2011 7:10:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _danceswithwolves49@..._ (mailto:danceswithwolves49@...) writes: Mike, Thanks for the heads up didn't know they split. Yeah forgot you're in Medford. Did Kadee discontinue their S scale coupler? Bob in Butte To: __S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) From: __anormal1@..._ (mailto:_anormal1@...) _ (mailto:_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) ) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 21:32:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... They split. Kadee is in White City & Micro Trains is in Talent Ore. Both only 5-10 miles from me. Mike In a message dated 4/19/2011 6:14:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, __danceswithwolves49@..._ (mailto:_danceswithwolves49@...) _ (mailto:_danceswithwolves49@..._ (mailto:danceswithwolves49@...) ) writes: Mike, Micro-trains is, or was, a subsidiary of Kadee Bob in Butte To: ___S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:__S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:__S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) _ (mailto:__S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) ) From: ___anormal1@..._ (mailto:__anormal1@...) _ (mailto:__anormal1@..._ (mailto:_anormal1@...) ) _ (mailto:__anormal1@..._ (mailto:_anormal1@...) _ (mailto:_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) ) ) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:26:57 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... Me & Kadee are both here in the USA. It's a shame, Kadee can't be approached to make "S" items here. They compete with the cars made overseas. So does micro trains. Mike In a message dated 4/19/2011 9:58:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ___mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:__mlmarmer@...) _ (mailto:__mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:_mlmarmer@...) ) _ (mailto:__mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:_mlmarmer@...) _ (mailto:_mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:mlmarmer@...) ) ) writes: Mike, That is okay, as I will keep sending you Tom Waits and Neil YouTube's, to keep you entertained while you make more bottles of your smoke fluid. I think you are the only one not effected by China in the train world. Mike From: ____anormal1@..._ (mailto:___anormal1@...) _ (mailto:___anormal1@..._ (mailto:__anormal1@...) ) _ (mailto:___anormal1@..._ (mailto:__anormal1@...) _ (mailto:__anormal1@..._ (mailto:_anormal1@...) ) ) _ (mailto:___anormal1@..._ (mailto:__anormal1@...) _ (mailto:__anormal1@..._ (mailto:_anormal1@...) ) _ (mailto:__anormal1@..._ (mailto:_anormal1@...) _ (mailto:_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) ) ) ) Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 11:29 PM To: ____S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:___S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:___S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:__S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) _ (mailto:___S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:__S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:__S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) ) _ (mailto:___S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:__S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:__S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) _ (mailto:__S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) ) ) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... That's OK Mike, I know you listen to T. Waits & read the dreaded Neil Y. In a message dated 4/18/2011 8:27:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net writes: Oops my bad, sorry. Mike From: mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 9:41 PM To: mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... That's the one I'm talking about. Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 6:23:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:adlbert1950%40sbcglobal.net writes: From:Alan Lambert Are we talking about the one that fit in the palm and had big springs that your hand slid between . My barber uses one of the newer models. Will put ou to sleep at home though. thanks, Alan --- On Mon, 4/18/11, mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) > wrote: From: mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... To: mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 6:39 PM Might be the Old School barber type. When was the last time you saw one in a barber shop? Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 1:58:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:_gwbishop%40dslextreme.com_ (mailto:mailto:gwbishop%40dslextreme.com) writes: . I did not know that they made vibrators... Did you mean the ... uuuummmm back massager kind? 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 64417	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 4/20/2011
Subject: Re: Cool York stuff...

Thanks Mike, Back in the day a lot of S scalers used Kadee number 5's ,HO couplers and still others used On3 couplers which have also been numbered as the 802's Bob To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: anormal1@... Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 13:13:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... I think you are right, 802 sounds about right, Mike In a message dated 4/20/2011 9:43:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, danceswithwolves49@... writes: Thanks again Mike I used #802's back in the late 80's maybe they just renumbered it. Bob To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) From: _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 22:42:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... Not that I know of, I think it's a #8 ...I think, Mike In a message dated 4/19/2011 7:10:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _danceswithwolves49@..._ (mailto:danceswithwolves49@...) writes: Mike, Thanks for the heads up didn't know they split. Yeah forgot you're in Medford. Did Kadee discontinue their S scale coupler? Bob in Butte To: __S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) From: __anormal1@..._ (mailto:_anormal1@...) _ (mailto:_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) ) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 21:32:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... They split. Kadee is in White City & Micro Trains is in Talent Ore. Both only 5-10 miles from me. Mike In a message dated 4/19/2011 6:14:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, __danceswithwolves49@..._ (mailto:_danceswithwolves49@...) _ (mailto:_danceswithwolves49@..._ (mailto:danceswithwolves49@...) ) writes: Mike, Micro-trains is, or was, a subsidiary of Kadee Bob in Butte To: ___S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:__S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:__S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) _ (mailto:__S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) ) From: ___anormal1@..._ (mailto:__anormal1@...) _ (mailto:__anormal1@..._ (mailto:_anormal1@...) ) _ (mailto:__anormal1@..._ (mailto:_anormal1@...) _ (mailto:_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) ) ) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:26:57 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... Me & Kadee are both here in the USA. It's a shame, Kadee can't be approached to make "S" items here. They compete with the cars made overseas. So does micro trains. Mike In a message dated 4/19/2011 9:58:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ___mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:__mlmarmer@...) _ (mailto:__mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:_mlmarmer@...) ) _ (mailto:__mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:_mlmarmer@...) _ (mailto:_mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:mlmarmer@...) ) ) writes: Mike, That is okay, as I will keep sending you Tom Waits and Neil YouTube's, to keep you entertained while you make more bottles of your smoke fluid. I think you are the only one not effected by China in the train world. Mike From: ____anormal1@..._ (mailto:___anormal1@...) _ (mailto:___anormal1@..._ (mailto:__anormal1@...) ) _ (mailto:___anormal1@..._ (mailto:__anormal1@...) _ (mailto:__anormal1@..._ (mailto:_anormal1@...) ) ) _ (mailto:___anormal1@..._ (mailto:__anormal1@...) _ (mailto:__anormal1@..._ (mailto:_anormal1@...) ) _ (mailto:__anormal1@..._ (mailto:_anormal1@...) _ (mailto:_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) ) ) ) Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 11:29 PM To: ____S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:___S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:___S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:__S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) _ (mailto:___S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:__S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:__S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) ) _ (mailto:___S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:__S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:__S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) _ (mailto:__S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) ) ) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... That's OK Mike, I know you listen to T. Waits & read the dreaded Neil Y. In a message dated 4/18/2011 8:27:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net writes: Oops my bad, sorry. Mike From: mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 9:41 PM To: mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... That's the one I'm talking about. Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 6:23:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:adlbert1950%40sbcglobal.net writes: From:Alan Lambert Are we talking about the one that fit in the palm and had big springs that your hand slid between . My barber uses one of the newer models. Will put ou to sleep at home though. thanks, Alan --- On Mon, 4/18/11, mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) > wrote: From: mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) <mailto:_anormal1%40aol.com_ (mailto:mailto:anormal1%40aol.com) > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Cool York stuff... To: mailto:_S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com) Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 6:39 PM Might be the Old School barber type. When was the last time you saw one in a barber shop? Mike In a message dated 4/18/2011 1:58:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:_gwbishop%40dslextreme.com_ (mailto:mailto:gwbishop%40dslextreme.com) writes: . I did not know that they made vibrators... Did you mean the ... uuuummmm back massager kind? 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 64418	From: Scott	Date: 4/20/2011
Subject: Best Switch?

Hey, I am having some problems with switches. On my layout, I have one switch that connects the yard to the rest of the layout. On this switch, I have had more problems than I can count. I use a showcase switch because it connects with the rest of the track. I tried a Flyer switch ( properly shimmed and leveled) and both steam locomotives and PA's derailed on it (I tried multiple switches). I am down to american models and Gargraves, but I was wondering if anyone had a "favorite" brand that is best to keep trains from all companies on the track? Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64419	From: racin510	Date: 4/20/2011
Subject: ROCKET DIESEL

Has anyone a shell for sale?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64420	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 4/20/2011
Subject: Re: Best Switch?

Scott, I run old American Flyer, SHS, American Models and Lionel AF steam and diesel locomotives on my 12 foot by 12 foot layout. I have old AF track on AF rubber roadbed with AF switches. Everything runs fine with no derailments. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <scottmmiller1@...> wrote: > > Hey, > I am having some problems with switches. On my layout, I have one switch that connects the yard to the rest of the layout. On this switch, I have had more problems than I can count. I use a showcase switch because it connects with the rest of the track. I tried a Flyer switch ( properly shimmed and leveled) and both steam locomotives and PA's derailed on it (I tried multiple switches). I am down to american models and Gargraves, but I was wondering if anyone had a "favorite" brand that is best to keep trains from all companies on the track? > > Scott >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64421	From: The Reardon's	Date: 4/20/2011
Subject: Re: Best Switch?

Maybe the switch isn't your problem. Have you checked all the wheels to be in-gauge, and made sure they are straight on the axles? I use multiple brands of switchs and whenever I have a problem, (after eliminating the stupid stuff I manage to do. Like leaving pieces of debris in the mechanisms, tweaking the rails out of gauge,leaving some solder on the inside of the rail, etc.) I almost always discover the real issue to be with the locomotive or railcar. Pat, in (Hey, It's snowing again) Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 4:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Best Switch? Hey, I am having some problems with switches. On my layout, I have one switch that connects the yard to the rest of the layout. On this switch, I have had more problems than I can count. I use a showcase switch because it connects with the rest of the track. I tried a Flyer switch ( properly shimmed and leveled) and both steam locomotives and PA's derailed on it (I tried multiple switches). I am down to american models and Gargraves, but I was wondering if anyone had a "favorite" brand that is best to keep trains from all companies on the track? Scott [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64422	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 4/20/2011
Subject: Re: Best Switch?

Scott, I use 12 AF switches w/ all AF track w/out any derailments, but have had experience w/ a problem switch in the past. Try another switch in it's place. Pete Henningsen Milford, Ct. ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 5:01 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Best Switch? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Hey, > I am having some problems with switches. On my layout, I have > one switch that connects the yard to the rest of the layout. On > this switch, I have had more problems than I can count. I use a > showcase switch because it connects with the rest of the track. > I tried a Flyer switch ( properly shimmed and leveled) and both > steam locomotives and PA's derailed on it (I tried multiple > switches). I am down to american models and Gargraves, but I was > wondering if anyone had a "favorite" brand that is best to keep > trains from all companies on the track? > > Scott > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64423	From: Timboy	Date: 4/20/2011
Subject: Re: Best Switch?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <scottmmiller1@...> wrote: > > Hey, > I am having some problems with switches. On my layout, I have one switch that connects the yard to the rest of the layout. On this switch, I have had more problems than I can count. I use a showcase switch because it connects with the rest of the track. I tried a Flyer switch ( properly shimmed and leveled) and both steam locomotives and PA's derailed on it (I tried multiple switches). I am down to american models and Gargraves, but I was wondering if anyone had a "favorite" brand that is best to keep trains from all companies on the track? > > Scott > Scott, I hear ya and this is what I do about it: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/2010/09/handmade-turnout.html Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64424	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/20/2011
Subject: Re: Best Switch?

----- Original Message ----- From: Scott I am having some problems with switches. . . . . . . . . . I am down to American Models and Gargraves, . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm a retailer of both SHS and AM products, but I think for a high-rail layout I would prefer the AM turnout simply because it has a broader curvature, in other words a higher frog number. It would therefore give you a smother divergence from the main route. Of course that could mean it will take up a little more space and maybe require a little track re-arrangement. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64425	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/20/2011
Subject: Re: Best Switch?

Did you try another AF switch? Mike From: amerflyerwanted@... Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 6:29 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Best Switch? Scott, I use 12 AF switches w/ all AF track w/out any derailments, but have had experience w/ a problem switch in the past. Try another switch in it's place. Pete Henningsen Milford, Ct. ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 5:01 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Best Switch? To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Hey, > I am having some problems with switches. On my layout, I have > one switch that connects the yard to the rest of the layout. On > this switch, I have had more problems than I can count. I use a > showcase switch because it connects with the rest of the track. > I tried a Flyer switch ( properly shimmed and leveled) and both > steam locomotives and PA's derailed on it (I tried multiple > switches). I am down to american models and Gargraves, but I was > wondering if anyone had a "favorite" brand that is best to keep > trains from all companies on the track? > > Scott > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64426	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2011
Subject: ROCKET DIESEL

I have one that is nice but the screw posts need repairing. Steve SnSTrains In a message dated 4/20/2011 4:07:14 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, racin510@... writes: Has anyone a shell for sale? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64427	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2011
Subject: TRAIN TRIVIA

And yet another piece of trivial information. 2003: A group of Russian train conductors needed hospital treatment after smashing their heads repeatedly against a train window to find out who had the strongest forehead. The conductors came up with the contest to pass time on a 3,000 mile journey from Novosibirsk in Siberia to Vladivostock. The train had to stop so the conductors could receive medical treatment. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64428	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 4/21/2011
Subject: Re: Best Switch?

Me, too. The one question nobody has asked is the brand of engines you're running and whether they have scale or hi-rail wheels. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 20, 2011, at 2:19 PM, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: Scott, I run old American Flyer, SHS, American Models and Lionel AF steam and diesel locomotives on my 12 foot by 12 foot layout. I have old AF track on AF rubber roadbed with AF switches. Everything runs fine with no derailments. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <scottmmiller1@...> wrote: > > Hey, > I am having some problems with switches. On my layout, I have one switch that connects the yard to the rest of the layout. On this switch, I have had more problems than I can count. I use a showcase switch because it connects with the rest of the track. I tried a Flyer switch ( properly shimmed and leveled) and both steam locomotives and PA's derailed on it (I tried multiple switches). I am down to american models and Gargraves, but I was wondering if anyone had a "favorite" brand that is best to keep trains from all companies on the track? > > Scott > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64429	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/21/2011
Subject: Re;TRAIN TRIVIA

Gee, don't Amtrak conductors do that every day due to delays? I know many passengers do! And folks wonder why there are not more people traveling by train in this country? Stumpy in Appalachia...where coal moves faster than passengers!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64430	From: Scott	Date: 4/21/2011
Subject: Re: Re;TRAIN TRIVIA

I had to look again when I first read the post when it said 2003. Which there was a little more possibly citing why the conductors felt possessed to see who had the strongest forehead. Scott in Florida.....where oranges move, but I don't think passengers can --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Gee, don't Amtrak conductors do that every day due to delays? I know many passengers do! And folks wonder why there are not more people traveling by train in this country? > Stumpy in Appalachia...where coal moves faster than passengers! >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64431	From: Scott	Date: 4/21/2011
Subject: Re: Best Switch?

I use all Hi-Rail. The problem I had with the showcase switch is that the frogs in the center were up to high. As a result, my buddy ground them down and now the trains will clear one 99/100 times, but american models cars and slightly off knuckles will still hit. The Flyer switch problem I will have to re-look at. I had a Flyer Superchief go airborne on that one (It went straight up) on multiple switches, so I will have to try again. Thanks for all your suggestions Scott --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > Me, too. > > The one question nobody has asked is the brand of engines you're running and whether they have scale or hi-rail wheels. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 20, 2011, at 2:19 PM, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Scott, > > I run old American Flyer, SHS, American Models and Lionel AF steam and diesel locomotives on my 12 foot by 12 foot layout. I have old AF track on AF rubber roadbed with AF switches. Everything runs fine with no derailments. > > BG1 > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <scottmmiller1@> wrote: > > > > Hey, > > I am having some problems with switches. On my layout, I have one switch that connects the yard to the rest of the layout. On this switch, I have had more problems than I can count. I use a showcase switch because it connects with the rest of the track. I tried a Flyer switch ( properly shimmed and leveled) and both steam locomotives and PA's derailed on it (I tried multiple switches). I am down to american models and Gargraves, but I was wondering if anyone had a "favorite" brand that is best to keep trains from all companies on the track? > > > > Scott > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64432	From: Jens	Date: 4/21/2011
Subject: FS Marx Vintage Tin Train Set and modern Lionel Flyer Items PRICE DO

FS Marx Vintage Tin Train Set and Lionel Flyer Items Hi Guys, i have to sell: Lionel American Flyer Trains S Gauge #6-48421 Philadelphia Quartz #807 Single Dome Tank $20 NEW 2 x Lionel American Flyer Trains S Gauge #6-48548 Pennsylvania #480078 Flat Car w/Piggyback Trailers $20 NEW Lionel American Flyer Trains S Gauge #6-48555 Reading #9310 Flat Car w/Wheel Load $20 NEW Lionel American Flyer Trains S Gauge #6-48550 Great Northern #X48850 Depressed Center Service Car $22 NEW VINTAGE MARX TIN TRAIN SET PREWAR? Engine, Tender, Key, Tank Car, Reefer and Track $45 Frenchman River Model Works S Scale Resin Companion Way - Set of 2 (1163) $4 All items + shipping, contact me for pictures if you need. Item are brand new, boxes do have minor wear from storage. I ship USPS I am located in LA I prefere Moneyorder, Bank Transfer or Check but take also Paypal etc. Thanks Jens Kinne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64433	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/21/2011
Subject: AF Box

http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-TRAIN-BOX-MERCURY-GLASS-TREE-ORNAMENT-/130511600961?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e6318fd41 I see AF train boxes are great for storing Christmas things. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64434	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/21/2011
Subject: AF Box numbers

There are 3 numbers on the inside flap for AF train cars, right after the date. What do these stand for? Thanks, mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64435	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/21/2011
Subject: Re: Best Switch?

From: Alan Lambert � Lone Star Flyer Club � Arlington, Texas    Scott,   One area to look at is the uncoupling arm. I have one American Models boxcar that hasone thathangs too low and will derail 100% of the time at the S-Heplper switch.Have yet to fix it with heated needle nose plyers. I'm Going to get my brother to help me do that. It is not the swith itself because I do not have any other problems. � Thanks, Alan Lambert --- On Thu, 4/21/11, Scott <scottmmiller1@...> wrote: From: Scott <scottmmiller1@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Best Switch? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 21, 2011, 3:12 PM   I use all Hi-Rail. The problem I had with the showcase switch is that the frogs in the center were up to high. As a result, my buddy ground them down and now the trains will clear one 99/100 times, but american models cars and slightly off knuckles will still hit. The Flyer switch problem I will have to re-look at. I had a Flyer Superchief go airborne on that one (It went straight up) on multiple switches, so I will have to try again. Thanks for all your suggestions Scott --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > Me, too. > > The one question nobody has asked is the brand of engines you're running and whether they have scale or hi-rail wheels. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 20, 2011, at 2:19 PM, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Scott, > > I run old American Flyer, SHS, American Models and Lionel AF steam and diesel locomotives on my 12 foot by 12 foot layout. I have old AF track on AF rubber roadbed with AF switches. Everything runs fine with no derailments. > > BG1 > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <scottmmiller1@> wrote: > > > > Hey, > > I am having some problems with switches. On my layout, I have one switch that connects the yard to the rest of the layout. On this switch, I have had more problems than I can count. I use a showcase switch because it connects with the rest of the track. I tried a Flyer switch ( properly shimmed and leveled) and both steam locomotives and PA's derailed on it (I tried multiple switches). I am down to american models and Gargraves, but I was wondering if anyone had a "favorite" brand that is best to keep trains from all companies on the track? > > > > Scott > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64436	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/21/2011
Subject: Re: Best switch

I have followed this with interest to see what possible "fixes" were suggested. All good thoughts so far. I can second checking wheel gauge and couplers that droop for causing problems. Several years ago when I was working in a hobby shop, we tried the various brands of S switches available. I was building a portable display layout for train shows and wanted reliable operation for hours on end. I use a mix of old Gilbert, SHS, American Models, Putt Trains (Rex), Des Plains Hobbies, and scratchbuilt equipment, mostly Hi-rail but also some Scale wheelsets, so this was going to be tough. First to drop out was Gargraves. Old Flyer was second to fall by the wayside. American Models was pretty good, but couldn't top S Helper over the long run. The difference seems to be the movable frog, which allows more variance in wheel types and wheelbases. I have since built three portables that run great, the first and third using SHS sectional track, and the second was the smallest using SHS flex track to get 15" radius curves. All use the SHS switches, and layout number three will be running again at the Spring S Spree in a couple weeks. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64437	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/21/2011
Subject: Re: Best Switch?

I had some AM cars get hung on a switch that is not AF. Does the engine itself go through the switch okay without any cars? Mike From: Alan Lambert Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 4:48 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Best Switch? From: Alan Lambert � Lone Star Flyer Club � Arlington, Texas Scott, One area to look at is the uncoupling arm. I have one American Models boxcar that hasone thathangs too low and will derail 100% of the time at the S-Heplper switch.Have yet to fix it with heated needle nose plyers. I'm Going to get my brother to help me do that. It is not the swith itself because I do not have any other problems. � Thanks, Alan Lambert --- On Thu, 4/21/11, Scott <mailto:scottmmiller1%40verizon.net> wrote: From: Scott <mailto:scottmmiller1%40verizon.net> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Best Switch? To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 21, 2011, 3:12 PM I use all Hi-Rail. The problem I had with the showcase switch is that the frogs in the center were up to high. As a result, my buddy ground them down and now the trains will clear one 99/100 times, but american models cars and slightly off knuckles will still hit. The Flyer switch problem I will have to re-look at. I had a Flyer Superchief go airborne on that one (It went straight up) on multiple switches, so I will have to try again. Thanks for all your suggestions Scott --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > Me, too. > > The one question nobody has asked is the brand of engines you're running and whether they have scale or hi-rail wheels. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 20, 2011, at 2:19 PM, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Scott, > > I run old American Flyer, SHS, American Models and Lionel AF steam and diesel locomotives on my 12 foot by 12 foot layout. I have old AF track on AF rubber roadbed with AF switches. Everything runs fine with no derailments. > > BG1 > > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <scottmmiller1@> wrote: > > > > Hey, > > I am having some problems with switches. On my layout, I have one switch that connects the yard to the rest of the layout. On this switch, I have had more problems than I can count. I use a showcase switch because it connects with the rest of the track. I tried a Flyer switch ( properly shimmed and leveled) and both steam locomotives and PA's derailed on it (I tried multiple switches). I am down to american models and Gargraves, but I was wondering if anyone had a "favorite" brand that is best to keep trains from all companies on the track? > > > > Scott > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64438	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: Best switch

Someone in our club just built a switch using the Fast Track system.  The good news is that everything we throw at is goes through it smooth as silk.  Fantastic.  And they're not limited to the tight Gilbert/SHS radius.  The bad news is that you have to buy separate jigs for each radius and build them yourself; the first one took him fifteen hours.  That looks like the way to go for people with enough money, time, and skill to do it.  The rest of us should probably follow Stumpy. --- On Thu, 4/21/11, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Best switch To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 21, 2011, 4:51 PM   I have followed this with interest to see what possible "fixes" were suggested. All good thoughts so far. I can second checking wheel gauge and couplers that droop for causing problems. Several years ago when I was working in a hobby shop, we tried the various brands of S switches available. I was building a portable display layout for train shows and wanted reliable operation for hours on end. I use a mix of old Gilbert, SHS, American Models, Putt Trains (Rex), Des Plains Hobbies, and scratchbuilt equipment, mostly Hi-rail but also some Scale wheelsets, so this was going to be tough. First to drop out was Gargraves. Old Flyer was second to fall by the wayside. American Models was pretty good, but couldn't top S Helper over the long run. The difference seems to be the movable frog, which allows more variance in wheel types and wheelbases. I have since built three portables that run great, the first and third using SHS sectional track, and the second was the smallest using SHS flex track to get 15" radius curves. All use the SHS switches, and layout number three will be running again at the Spring S Spree in a couple weeks. Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64439	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: CP TREES

I remember a thread on these trees recently.... They are just like the ones I have in a 21130 BOXED SET.... real or fake?   http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300550050905   Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64440	From: mel perry	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: Best Switch?

scott: you also have to be aware, that when gilbert first came out with electrical switches, there was a manufacturing defect, for the first two years, the problem was that the plate which rotates with the two switch points does not sit level, with the base of the machine, the fault was traced back to an, improperly installed rivet, which caused the plate to rock back and forth length wise, if thats your problem, you'd had better find a new switch, as far as i know gilbert never issued a fix that could be retrofitted ________________________________ From: Scott <scottmmiller1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 1:12:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Best Switch? I use all Hi-Rail. The problem I had with the showcase switch is that the frogs in the center were up to high. As a result, my buddy ground them down and now the trains will clear one 99/100 times, but american models cars and slightly off knuckles will still hit. The Flyer switch problem I will have to re-look at. I had a Flyer Superchief go airborne on that one (It went straight up) on multiple switches, so I will have to try again. Thanks for all your suggestions Scott --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > Me, too. > > The one question nobody has asked is the brand of engines you're running and >whether they have scale or hi-rail wheels. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 20, 2011, at 2:19 PM, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Scott, > > I run old American Flyer, SHS, American Models and Lionel AF steam and diesel >locomotives on my 12 foot by 12 foot layout. I have old AF track on AF rubber >roadbed with AF switches. Everything runs fine with no derailments. > > BG1 > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <scottmmiller1@> wrote: > > > > Hey, > > I am having some problems with switches. On my layout, I have one switch that >connects the yard to the rest of the layout. On this switch, I have had more >problems than I can count. I use a showcase switch because it connects with the >rest of the track. I tried a Flyer switch ( properly shimmed and leveled) and >both steam locomotives and PA's derailed on it (I tried multiple switches). I am >down to american models and Gargraves, but I was wondering if anyone had a >"favorite" brand that is best to keep trains from all companies on the track? > > > > Scott > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64441	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: AF Box numbers

My guess is it was a numbering code for month - day - year the item was made? Any other guesses? I know I read about this in a book once it was a slim orange book I believe??? Rich >________________________________ >From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 4:59 PM >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Box numbers > > >  >There are 3 numbers on the inside flap for AF train cars, right after the date. > >What do these stand for? > >Thanks, > >mike > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64442	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES

In 1971 I bought three original CP cars from a hobby shop. These are the trees that are in the three boxes. They are apart and in a plastic bag. Bill Stormy St. Louis. ________________________________ From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 11:50:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] CP TREES   I remember a thread on these trees recently.... They are just like the ones I have in a 21130 BOXED SET.... real or fake?   http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300550050905   Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64443	From: Timboy	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: Best switch

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > Someone in our club just built a switch using the Fast Track system.  The good news is that everything we throw at is goes through it smooth as silk.  Fantastic.  And they're not limited to the tight Gilbert/SHS radius.  The bad news is that you have to buy separate jigs for each radius and build them yourself; the first one took him fifteen hours.  That looks like the way to go for people with enough money, time, and skill to do it.  The rest of us should probably follow Stumpy. > Guys: Seems like most everyone is deathly afraid to try to build their own turnout. It's not necessary to invest a small fortune in Fast Track jigs, etc. I've built lots of my own turnouts with vintage rails. The first one is the toughest and like anything else, they get easier with repetition. What do you have to lose but a little time. It certainly didn't take me 15 hours; even for the first one! A couple hours is more than enough time. And it costs hardly anything if you use vintage rails. I'll wager that you could build one with American Models or S-Helper rails as well if you use their track on your layout. When I built my first switch with vintage rails, I was amazed at how smoothly the trains ran through it and I suddenly realized that I could build it in any config that I needed! The one I'm using right now is a kinda curve on curve design. I always encourage people to experiment and get away from the RTR mentality that seems to pervade vintage toy train operators. http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2010/09/handmade-turnout_19.html Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64444	From: sgaugian	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: ROCKET DIESEL

There are 2 chrome AF Rocket shells for sale on eBay - a 474 and a 475. Look pretty nice. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "racin510" <racin510@...> wrote: > > > Has anyone a shell for sale? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64445	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES

These are not original trees. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:53 am Subject: [S-Trains] CP TREES I remember a thread on these trees recently.... They are just like the ones I have in a 21130 BOXED SET.... real or fake? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300550050905 Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64446	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: Best switch

There is a clinic scheduled at the NASG/NMRA Convention in Sacramento on building turnouts with Fasttrack Jigs. There is a cost of $45. The number of attendees is limited to 28 and there is a list of required tools that must be brought to the clinic. I am one of those who is deathly afraid to try it, but the time of the clinic conflicts with the all day tour of S layouts on Wednesday, July 6. But if you are interested, it is a 4 hour workshop starting at 8 AM. - Earl Henry In a message dated 4/22/2011 7:30:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, timstrains2000@... writes: --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > Someone in our club just built a switch using the Fast Track system. The good news is that everything we throw at is goes through it smooth as silk. Fantastic. And they're not limited to the tight Gilbert/SHS radius. The bad news is that you have to buy separate jigs for each radius and build them yourself; the first one took him fifteen hours. That looks like the way to go for people with enough money, time, and skill to do it. The rest of us should probably follow Stumpy. > Guys: Seems like most everyone is deathly afraid to try to build their own turnout. It's not necessary to invest a small fortune in Fast Track jigs, etc. I've built lots of my own turnouts with vintage rails. The first one is the toughest and like anything else, they get easier with repetition. What do you have to lose but a little time. It certainly didn't take me 15 hours; even for the first one! A couple hours is more than enough time. And it costs hardly anything if you use vintage rails. I'll wager that you could build one with American Models or S-Helper rails as well if you use their track on your layout. When I built my first switch with vintage rails, I was amazed at how smoothly the trains ran through it and I suddenly realized that I could build it in any config that I needed! The one I'm using right now is a kinda curve on curve design. I always encourage people to experiment and get away from the RTR mentality that seems to pervade vintage toy train operators. _http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2010/09/handmade-turnout_19.html_ (http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2010/09/handmade-turnout_19.html) Regards, Timboy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64447	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES

Bill, can you post pictures of the or attach them to email. Thanks Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:18 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES In 1971 I bought three original CP cars from a hobby shop. These are the trees that are in the three boxes. They are apart and in a plastic bag. Bill Stormy St. Louis. ________________________________ From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 11:50:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] CP TREES I remember a thread on these trees recently.... They are just like the ones I have in a 21130 BOXED SET.... real or fake? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300550050905 Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64448	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES

I am no expert on AF, but I have to agree with Harwood, from the trees I have for my car and ones I have seen on other cars, these are not the trees from this car. That is your auction on Ebay, Bob? Mike From: HOwingsiii@... Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 11:42 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES These are not original trees. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Robert Conner <mailto:rcon7%40bellsouth.net> To: S-Trains <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:53 am Subject: [S-Trains] CP TREES I remember a thread on these trees recently.... They are just like the ones I have in a 21130 BOXED SET.... real or fake? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300550050905 Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64449	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: AF Box numbers

Rich, A good guess, as I thought of that too. but one box has 3 58 and then 301, as 301 would be a date in November or so. Thanks for taking a shot at this. Mike From: Richard Falzini Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 11:48 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Box numbers My guess is it was a numbering code for month - day - year the item was made? Any other guesses? I know I read about this in a book once it was a slim orange book I believe??? Rich >________________________________ >From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> >To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com >Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 4:59 PM >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Box numbers > > > >There are 3 numbers on the inside flap for AF train cars, right after the date. > >What do these stand for? > >Thanks, > >mike > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64450	From: Bill Clark	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: Best switch - hand built in place

Along the lines of building your own switches, Skip Readio of the Bristol developed a nice method for building closed frog switches using AM or SHS rail. Actually the rail size could be pretty much anything you want. Skip built closed frog (similar to AF or SHS switches) so that we could run both code 110 and AF compatible cars. He built several switches on our club layout, and they have been working great for many years. Skip built them in place, on the layout, rather than building a specific numbered switch. Several years ago Tommy Robichaud started his large layou <http://bristol-s-gauge.com/Photos/MembersLayouts/Tommy/Tommy.html>t, which would require over 60 switches. Skip came out and showed us how to build switches, and they have been operating on Tommy's layout for many years. If you like trackwork, and like building things, these are fun and satisfying. I like the fact that you can build them in place, exactly the size you need, with nice smooth transitions. Tommy has documented the process here: http://bristol-s-gauge.com/Projects/cfrogsw/cfroginfo.html On 4/22/2011 1:24 PM, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > There is a clinic scheduled at the NASG/NMRA Convention in Sacramento on > building turnouts with Fasttrack Jigs. There is a cost of $45. The number > of attendees is limited to 28 and there is a list of required tools that > must be brought to the clinic. I am one of those who is deathly afraid to > try it, but the time of the clinic conflicts with the all day tour of S > layouts on Wednesday, July 6. But if you are interested, it is a 4 hour > workshop starting at 8 AM. > > - Earl Henry > > > In a message dated 4/22/2011 7:30:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > timstrains2000@... <mailto:timstrains2000%40yahoo.com> writes: > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64451	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: AF Box numbers

Well, as I don't see the box only read what you say of course I  would presume the following --- You say it has a 3 58 and then 301, so I would think right off the bat this would indicate March 1958, and then you say the next number scheme is 301, so I would just assume ( which with both know is very dangerous LOL ) that it may have been a box for an Atlantic engine?  This is all me taking a stab in the dark how ever Rich                                 >________________________________ >From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 11:52 AM >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Box numbers > > >  >Rich, > >A good guess, as I thought of that too. > >but one box has 3 58 and then 301, as 301 would be a date in November or so. > >Thanks for taking a shot at this. > >Mike > >From: Richard Falzini >Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 11:48 PM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Box numbers > >My guess is it was a numbering code for month - day - year the item was made? > >Any other guesses? I know I read about this in a book once it was a slim orange book I believe??? > >Rich > >>________________________________ >>From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> >>To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 4:59 PM >>Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Box numbers >> >> >> >>There are 3 numbers on the inside flap for AF train cars, right after the date. >> >>What do these stand for? >> >>Thanks, >> >>mike >> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64452	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES

MIKE.... YES...... Starting to list lots of stuff.... 51 items this week..... Bob chief-pilt-it --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 12:51 PM   I am no expert on AF, but I have to agree with Harwood, from the trees I have for my car and ones I have seen on other cars, these are not the trees from this car. That is your auction on Ebay, Bob? Mike From: HOwingsiii@... Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 11:42 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES These are not original trees. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Robert Conner <mailto:rcon7%40bellsouth.net> To: S-Trains <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:53 am Subject: [S-Trains] CP TREES I remember a thread on these trees recently.... They are just like the ones I have in a 21130 BOXED SET.... real or fake? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300550050905 Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64453	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: AF Box numbers

Hi Rich. Yes, the first numbers are the month and year. No, this was from a freight car. One was a 24516 Lumber and the other is a 24216 UP Hopper, I hope I got those right. One has 301 and the other box has 277 after the date of production. So, 3 58 301. Mike From: Richard Falzini Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 2:04 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Box numbers Well, as I don't see the box only read what you say of course I would presume the following --- You say it has a 3 58 and then 301, so I would think right off the bat this would indicate March 1958, and then you say the next number scheme is 301, so I would just assume ( which with both know is very dangerous LOL ) that it may have been a box for an Atlantic engine? This is all me taking a stab in the dark how ever Rich >________________________________ >From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> >To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com >Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 11:52 AM >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Box numbers > > > >Rich, > >A good guess, as I thought of that too. > >but one box has 3 58 and then 301, as 301 would be a date in November or so. > >Thanks for taking a shot at this. > >Mike > >From: Richard Falzini >Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 11:48 PM >To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Box numbers > >My guess is it was a numbering code for month - day - year the item was made? > >Any other guesses? I know I read about this in a book once it was a slim orange book I believe??? > >Rich > >>________________________________ >>From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> >>To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 4:59 PM >>Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Box numbers >> >> >> >>There are 3 numbers on the inside flap for AF train cars, right after the date. >> >>What do these stand for? >> >>Thanks, >> >>mike >> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64454	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES

Bob, I know you go by Chief Pile it sometimes on the list and on eBay, as you write, Chief Pilt It. Okay, Pilt is okay. LOL Good luck with your listings. Mike From: Robert Conner Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:50 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES MIKE.... YES...... Starting to list lots of stuff.... 51 items this week..... Bob chief-pilt-it --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 12:51 PM I am no expert on AF, but I have to agree with Harwood, from the trees I have for my car and ones I have seen on other cars, these are not the trees from this car. That is your auction on Ebay, Bob? Mike From: mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 11:42 AM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES These are not original trees. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Robert Conner <mailto:rcon7%40bellsouth.net> To: S-Trains <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:53 am Subject: [S-Trains] CP TREES I remember a thread on these trees recently.... They are just like the ones I have in a 21130 BOXED SET.... real or fake? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300550050905 Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64455	From: rick gough	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: ROCKET DIESEL

Thanks, Steve at Sns fixed me up so no longer looking. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64456	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES

Mike.... tired....  its "chief-pile-it" .....sorry.... Bob --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 4:03 PM   Bob, I know you go by Chief Pile it sometimes on the list and on eBay, as you write, Chief Pilt It. Okay, Pilt is okay. LOL Good luck with your listings. Mike From: Robert Conner Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:50 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES MIKE.... YES...... Starting to list lots of stuff.... 51 items this week..... Bob chief-pilt-it --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 12:51 PM I am no expert on AF, but I have to agree with Harwood, from the trees I have for my car and ones I have seen on other cars, these are not the trees from this car. That is your auction on Ebay, Bob? Mike From: mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 11:42 AM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES These are not original trees. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Robert Conner <mailto:rcon7%40bellsouth.net> To: S-Trains <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:53 am Subject: [S-Trains] CP TREES I remember a thread on these trees recently.... They are just like the ones I have in a 21130 BOXED SET.... real or fake? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300550050905 Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64457	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: S Scale America Couplers

Hi Folks, A few years back, I visited Chicago and while there I ambled over to Des Plaines Hobbies. That is a must stop on any pilgrimage to the area. I bought an S Scale America tank car. Today, I opened it for the first time and discovered it has no couplers. That makes a certain sense since some folks want one thing and some another. What I want is American Flyer knuckle compatibility. I have some loose parts from SHS including couplers. My question is, what have people actually done? I can make guesses. I seek advice from people with experience in adding Flyer KC to an SSA car. Thanks, Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64458	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: S Scale America Couplers

From: Alan Lambert Lone Star Flyer Club � Arlington, Texas   Bill,   I would go to S-Helpers website and look at what they have. They list what you need probably. � Alan --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote: From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...> Subject: [S-Trains] S Scale America Couplers To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 4:01 PM   Hi Folks, A few years back, I visited Chicago and while there I ambled over to Des Plaines Hobbies. That is a must stop on any pilgrimage to the area. I bought an S Scale America tank car. Today, I opened it for the first time and discovered it has no couplers. That makes a certain sense since some folks want one thing and some another. What I want is American Flyer knuckle compatibility. I have some loose parts from SHS including couplers. My question is, what have people actually done? I can make guesses. I seek advice from people with experience in adding Flyer KC to an SSA car. Thanks, Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64459	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES

Bob. LOL I thought so! That is okay. Mike From: Robert Conner Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 5:08 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES Mike.... tired.... its "chief-pile-it" .....sorry.... Bob --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 4:03 PM Bob, I know you go by Chief Pile it sometimes on the list and on eBay, as you write, Chief Pilt It. Okay, Pilt is okay. LOL Good luck with your listings. Mike From: Robert Conner Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:50 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES MIKE.... YES...... Starting to list lots of stuff.... 51 items this week..... Bob chief-pilt-it --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 12:51 PM I am no expert on AF, but I have to agree with Harwood, from the trees I have for my car and ones I have seen on other cars, these are not the trees from this car. That is your auction on Ebay, Bob? Mike From: mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 11:42 AM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES These are not original trees. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Robert Conner <mailto:rcon7%40bellsouth.net> To: S-Trains <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:53 am Subject: [S-Trains] CP TREES I remember a thread on these trees recently.... They are just like the ones I have in a 21130 BOXED SET.... real or fake? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300550050905 Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64460	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES

I'm confused.  Is Bill saying Bob's trees match the originals he bought, but Harwood saying they are not original? The TM guide says there were two different types made.  My website shows three kinds:           http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/flatcars3.html I later learned that mine are Plasticville.  Do the other two pictures show the real originals?  I am in the process of converting the website to another server because I can no longer update it on geocities; I want to get it right on the new server! --- On Fri, 4/22/11, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote: From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 8:42 AM   These are not original trees. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:53 am Subject: [S-Trains] CP TREES I remember a thread on these trees recently.... They are just like the ones I have in a 21130 BOXED SET.... real or fake? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300550050905 Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64461	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES

Robert The ones I have are like the upper photo on your site. Bill ________________________________ From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 5:36:47 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES   I'm confused.  Is Bill saying Bob's trees match the originals he bought, but Harwood saying they are not original? The TM guide says there were two different types made.  My website shows three kinds:           http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/flatcars3.html I later learned that mine are Plasticville.  Do the other two pictures show the real originals?  I am in the process of converting the website to another server because I can no longer update it on geocities; I want to get it right on the new server! --- On Fri, 4/22/11, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote: From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 8:42 AM   These are not original trees. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:53 am Subject: [S-Trains] CP TREES I remember a thread on these trees recently.... They are just like the ones I have in a 21130 BOXED SET.... real or fake? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300550050905 Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64462	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES

The trees look like plasticville trees,that came 4 to a box in O&S or HO but were the same trees in box. Bob Persing ( BOBBYLINE PLASTICVILLE PARTS) ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 12:50 AM Subject: [S-Trains] CP TREES I remember a thread on these trees recently.... They are just like the ones I have in a 21130 BOXED SET.... real or fake? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300550050905 Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64463	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] Temper Flair-Up At York

This is from the TCA list, as there was a little flair up at York, someone said, so some stories are coming out. And one about a AF item after the below. Mike Here is, by far, the best line ever overheard at York. It took place at the Halodome Bandit meet about 7 or 8 years ago. There was a dealer who had a rep for selling doctored trains as all original. He wore a toupee and his well endowed girlfriend was with him. He tried to rip someone off. That person exclamed, in a loud voice: "Everything here is fake; These trains; your hair; and her t*ts" We still laugh frequently about it - best line in the world IMHO John From: Bob Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 5:24 PM To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [toytrains] Temper Flair-Up At York ... used to come to NETCA shows and always had a good supply of AF for sale. Someone came up to buy a cheap gondola from him and asked "Can you take a little off this?" He responded by ripping a truck off the car, handed it to the guy and said" There, how's that. Bob Obara [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64464	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES

Are they indeed rubber, or fiber on plastic? --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 4:26 PM   Robert The ones I have are like the upper photo on your site. Bill ________________________________ From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 5:36:47 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES   I'm confused.  Is Bill saying Bob's trees match the originals he bought, but Harwood saying they are not original? The TM guide says there were two different types made.  My website shows three kinds:           http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/flatcars3.html I later learned that mine are Plasticville.  Do the other two pictures show the real originals?  I am in the process of converting the website to another server because I can no longer update it on geocities; I want to get it right on the new server! --- On Fri, 4/22/11, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote: From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 8:42 AM   These are not original trees. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:53 am Subject: [S-Trains] CP TREES I remember a thread on these trees recently.... They are just like the ones I have in a 21130 BOXED SET.... real or fake? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300550050905 Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64465	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES

Hi Bob, I just looked at your linked to your website, as I want to thank you for having this site, as you just confirmed that these trees did come in a plastic bag. I actually do have a mint tree flat car with the trees still sealed in the bag! As your site said it was unusual to find a car with the bags still sealed in the bag. I was beginning to wonder if the trees where put in a bag in later life, as I thought maybe in 1958 they did not have plastic bags. You just confirmed that this happened. THANKS! Mike From: Robert Graves Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 6:36 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES I'm confused. Is Bill saying Bob's trees match the originals he bought, but Harwood saying they are not original? The TM guide says there were two different types made. My website shows three kinds: http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/flatcars3.html I later learned that mine are Plasticville. Do the other two pictures show the real originals? I am in the process of converting the website to another server because I can no longer update it on geocities; I want to get it right on the new server! --- On Fri, 4/22/11, mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com <mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com> wrote: From: mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com <mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 8:42 AM These are not original trees. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Robert Conner <mailto:rcon7%40bellsouth.net> To: S-Trains <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:53 am Subject: [S-Trains] CP TREES I remember a thread on these trees recently.... They are just like the ones I have in a 21130 BOXED SET.... real or fake? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300550050905 Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64466	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES

Now that I see these on my PC, I agree with you.  They're the same as my trees, which I've been told are Plasticville.  On my iPhone, I couldn't see them that well. --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Robert A Persing <bobville@...> wrote: From: Robert A Persing <bobville@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 4:56 PM   The trees look like plasticville trees,that came 4 to a box in O&S or HO but were the same trees in box. Bob Persing ( BOBBYLINE PLASTICVILLE PARTS) ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Conner To: S-Trains Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 12:50 AM Subject: [S-Trains] CP TREES I remember a thread on these trees recently.... They are just like the ones I have in a 21130 BOXED SET.... real or fake? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300550050905 Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64467	From: Bill Drake	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES

Going by memory - it will take some searching to find the boxed items as the train room here in St. Louis is still just stacks of boxes. May take several days to find them. Bill ________________________________ From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 6:38:14 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES   Are they indeed rubber, or fiber on plastic? --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 4:26 PM   Robert The ones I have are like the upper photo on your site. Bill ________________________________ From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 5:36:47 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES   I'm confused.  Is Bill saying Bob's trees match the originals he bought, but Harwood saying they are not original? The TM guide says there were two different types made.  My website shows three kinds:           http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/flatcars3.html I later learned that mine are Plasticville.  Do the other two pictures show the real originals?  I am in the process of converting the website to another server because I can no longer update it on geocities; I want to get it right on the new server! --- On Fri, 4/22/11, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote: From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 8:42 AM   These are not original trees. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:53 am Subject: [S-Trains] CP TREES I remember a thread on these trees recently.... They are just like the ones I have in a 21130 BOXED SET.... real or fake? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300550050905 Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64468	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/22/2011
Subject: CP Trees

Hmm, Well, sorry Bob, but at that price, "These are not the trees I seek" (waving hand to use The Force to influence the observer). My CP car was played with, and I have both trees like that and flocked trees in the train box. Still not certain which ones were in the box originally! This is in a "Dept. Store Special" set that is a Scenic Panel Set with the pressed paper panels. S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64469	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Flyer Fest West #11, 4/30/2011, 7:00 am

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   Flyer Fest West #11   Date:   Saturday April 30, 2011 Time:   7:00 am - 5:00 pm Location:   St. Mary's Cathedral, 1111 Gough at Geary , San Francisco Notes:   This is just a pre-announcement ( FYI ) to info you all of the next up and coming Flyer Fest West #11 which will be held in San Francisco on Saturday April 30th 2011. The location will be at St. Mary's Cathedral 1111 Gough at Geary from 7:00am for setup till 5:00pm. Please pass the word to all that are or have any interest in American Flyer 'S' Gauge Hi-Rail Trains. We will send out Final Registration Forms shortly to all those that have attended prior Fest's. Registration will be $10.00. Tables will go for $20.00 for the 1st table, $15.00 for the 2nd, then $10.00 bucks for any and all tables thereafter. Our Convention Cars will be an American Models "Long" Gondola in 2 Colors with a Gold Load in 2 Colors, our theme will be California Gold Mining from the 1800's. These Cars will run $59.99 each or $99.99 for both. Please Note: This is a very limited-production custom run of 50 Cars in each color, all sales are final and are on a first-come, first-served basis. Purchases are limited to ( one or both ) per registrant and MUST BE PICKED UP ON THE DAY OF THE EVENT. Shipping is not available. The Lunch Menu, Hotel locations and Layout Tours are TBA later. All Registrations and filled out Order Forms with Checks made out to GGAFC will be returned to me Jake Jacobsen. Note: Since this location is in SF, St Mary's has 179 FREE parking stalls More details to follow.   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64470	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES

No rush.  I'd appreciate the info whenever you find them. Bopb --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 7:29 PM   Going by memory - it will take some searching to find the boxed items as the train room here in St. Louis is still just stacks of boxes. May take several days to find them. Bill ________________________________ From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 6:38:14 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES   Are they indeed rubber, or fiber on plastic? --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 4:26 PM   Robert The ones I have are like the upper photo on your site. Bill ________________________________ From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 5:36:47 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES   I'm confused.  Is Bill saying Bob's trees match the originals he bought, but Harwood saying they are not original? The TM guide says there were two different types made.  My website shows three kinds:           http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/flatcars3.html I later learned that mine are Plasticville.  Do the other two pictures show the real originals?  I am in the process of converting the website to another server because I can no longer update it on geocities; I want to get it right on the new server! --- On Fri, 4/22/11, HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> wrote: From: HOwingsiii@... <HOwingsiii@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 8:42 AM   These are not original trees. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 6:53 am Subject: [S-Trains] CP TREES I remember a thread on these trees recently.... They are just like the ones I have in a 21130 BOXED SET.... real or fake? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300550050905 Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64471	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: S ga. Switches: Disappointing ??

While this group is on the subject of switches (turnouts), I submit the following OPINION to irritate some of you: OPINION: If you have used the LGB largescale turnouts, and then you try to use S gauge turnouts, they are somewhat of a DISAPPOINTMENT. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ WHY I SAY THIS: I purchased several LGB Largescale powered "1600 radius" turnouts "off and on" from about 1992 up through 2007 -- when they went bankrupt (now being reorganized under Marklin, or something like that). You could take a largescale LGB turnouts "OUT OF THE BOX" -- with no modification or "tinkering" with it or "reworking" it -- and it switched (1) very reliably and (2) only required about 1/4 amp of current. Thus you could use reed switches to control it if you wanted to do automatic train control. ~~~~~~~ By CONTRAST: The S gauge turnouts I have tried (I have not tried all brands) do not seem nearly as reliable, and all of them seem to draw about 3 amps of current. The pair of American S Gauge turnouts I tried, the points were so rough, that you could barely run just a diesel locomotive through them without derailing the diesel. For automatic train control, the old Flyer turnouts seem to work better for me, than any of the newer ones (better electrical continuity, less derailments), But you have to use relays between the reed switch and the solenoid to handle the excessive current draw. ~~~~~~ AND: . . . if you accidentally park an S gauge loco such that the magnet on it continuously activates the reed switch, thus routing continuous current to the Flyer switch, then the coil will be "smoking" in about 2 minutes. By contrast, the LGB largescale turnouts could take continuous current for about 1/2 hour with no apparent damage if the reed switch stuck in the close position ((even though LGB cautions you not to have continuous current going to it)). Just for reference, LGB used a little DC motor with a rack and pinion to power the turnouts, rather than a coil. So it needed much less current about 1/4 amp, and apparently could withstand continuous current much longer without damage, then if it had a coil. Some of you may have seen YouTube and Vimeo videos I have made ( http://AutoControls.org ) that show both Largescale and S gauge layouts operating with automatic controls (reed switches) causing continuous operation of the turnouts. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUESTION: 1. Does anyone else in this S-gauge Yahoo group have experience using LGB powered turnouts ?? 2. If so, do you tend to agree or disagree with my opinion ??? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks. AutoControls Yahoo Group Moderator - James Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA http://AutoControls.org MacBook Pro/OS 10.6 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64472	From: billclarkvelocette	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: Best switch - hand built in place

Along the lines of building your own switches, Skip Readio of the Bristol developed a nice method for building closed frog switches using AM or SHS rail. Actually the rail size could be pretty much anything you want. Skip built closed frog (similar to AF or SHS switches) so that we could run both code 110 and AF compatible cars. He built several switches on our club layout, and they have been working great for many years. Skip built them in place, on the layout, rather than building a specific numbered switch. Several years ago Tommy Robichaud started his large layout, which would require over 60 switches. Skip came out and showed us how to build switches, and they have been operating on Tommy's layout for many years. If you like trackwork, and like building things, these are fun and satisfying. I like the fact that you can build them in place, exactly the size you need, with nice smooth transitions. Tommy has documented the process here: http://bristol-s-gauge.com/Projects/cfrogsw/cfroginfo.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64473	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: S ga. Switches: Disappointing ??

Well James, I find the gauge is a little too wide for my S-Gauge trains. Other than that, they seem like a good buy. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 6:11 AM To: List S-Trains Discussion List Subject: [S-Trains] S ga. Switches: Disappointing ?? While this group is on the subject of switches (turnouts), I submit the following OPINION to irritate some of you: OPINION: If you have used the LGB largescale turnouts, and then you try to use S gauge turnouts, they are somewhat of a DISAPPOINTMENT. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ WHY I SAY THIS: I purchased several LGB Largescale powered "1600 radius" turnouts "off and on" from about 1992 up through 2007 -- when they went bankrupt (now being reorganized under Marklin, or something like that). You could take a largescale LGB turnouts "OUT OF THE BOX" -- with no modification or "tinkering" with it or "reworking" it -- and it switched (1) very reliably and (2) only required about 1/4 amp of current. Thus you could use reed switches to control it if you wanted to do automatic train control. ~~~~~~~ By CONTRAST: The S gauge turnouts I have tried (I have not tried all brands) do not seem nearly as reliable, and all of them seem to draw about 3 amps of current. The pair of American S Gauge turnouts I tried, the points were so rough, that you could barely run just a diesel locomotive through them without derailing the diesel. For automatic train control, the old Flyer turnouts seem to work better for me, than any of the newer ones (better electrical continuity, less derailments), But you have to use relays between the reed switch and the solenoid to handle the excessive current draw. ~~~~~~ AND: . . . if you accidentally park an S gauge loco such that the magnet on it continuously activates the reed switch, thus routing continuous current to the Flyer switch, then the coil will be "smoking" in about 2 minutes. By contrast, the LGB largescale turnouts could take continuous current for about 1/2 hour with no apparent damage if the reed switch stuck in the close position ((even though LGB cautions you not to have continuous current going to it)). Just for reference, LGB used a little DC motor with a rack and pinion to power the turnouts, rather than a coil. So it needed much less current about 1/4 amp, and apparently could withstand continuous current much longer without damage, then if it had a coil. Some of you may have seen YouTube and Vimeo videos I have made ( http://AutoControls.org ) that show both Largescale and S gauge layouts operating with automatic controls (reed switches) causing continuous operation of the turnouts. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUESTION: 1. Does anyone else in this S-gauge Yahoo group have experience using LGB powered turnouts ?? 2. If so, do you tend to agree or disagree with my opinion ??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Thanks. AutoControls Yahoo Group Moderator - James Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 Williamsport PA http://AutoControls.org MacBook Pro/OS 10.6 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64474	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES

So, the Plasticville trees WERE, or WERE NOT ever used by Gilbert as the load on the CP Christmas tree flat car? Which is the correct answer? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > Now that I see these on my PC, I agree with you.  They're the same as my trees, which I've been told are Plasticville.  On my iPhone, I couldn't see them that well. > > > --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Robert A Persing <bobville@...> wrote: > > From: Robert A Persing <bobville@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 4:56 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > > > The trees look like plasticville trees,that came 4 to a box in O&S or HO but were the same trees in box. > > Bob Persing ( BOBBYLINE PLASTICVILLE PARTS) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Robert Conner > > To: S-Trains > > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 12:50 AM > > Subject: [S-Trains] CP TREES > > > > I remember a thread on these trees recently.... They are just like the ones I have in a 21130 BOXED SET.... real or fake? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300550050905 > > > > Bob > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64475	From: don@showcaseline.com	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: S ga. Switches: Disappointing ??

Dear Jim,     Marklin went bankrupt too... Don   On April 23, 2011 at 6:11 AM Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups  LGB Largescale powered "1600 radius" turnouts "off and on" from about 1992 up through 2007 -- when they went bankrupt (now being reorganized under Marklin... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64476	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re; S gauge switches, disappointing?

I spent every spring, summer, and fall doing G gauge garden railways from 1983 threough 1997. This included track power, battery poower R/C, and live steam. I wrote for Garden Railways magazine for six years as a contributing editor. During that time I built seven layouts for myself and five for others, all using LGB track that reamined outside year around. There were eventually several different track brands available,and I tried them all, but NONE were as well made as the LGB products, nor did I ever find a better made locomotive than LGB. The engineering was superior to ANY model railroad manufacturer I'm aware of, including the better products that are made today! I still have two LGB "set" locos which I purchased in 1983 that run as well today as any modern locomotive. I also have some of my old LGB track, thinking that "someday" I will again try garden railroading and it is in as good shape after all these years as it ever was! LGB cut no corners and of course you paid a high price for it. But not that much more than for any other manufacturer's product. They were eventually drowned by a sea of low quality outfits jumping into G scale(Bachmann, Aristo Craft/REA, USA Trains, and Charles RO) who traded on price alone. Too bad. Stumpy in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64477	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES

Not On Apr 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, "acgilbertguy" <milepost407@...> wrote: So, the Plasticville trees WERE, or WERE NOT ever used by Gilbert as the load on the CP Christmas tree flat car? Which is the correct answer? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > Now that I see these on my PC, I agree with you. They're the same as my trees, which I've been told are Plasticville. On my iPhone, I couldn't see them that well. > > > --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Robert A Persing <bobville@...> wrote: > > From: Robert A Persing <bobville@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 4:56 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > The trees look like plasticville trees,that came 4 to a box in O&S or HO but were the same trees in box. > > Bob Persing ( BOBBYLINE PLASTICVILLE PARTS) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Robert Conner > > To: S-Trains > > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 12:50 AM > > Subject: [S-Trains] CP TREES > > > > I remember a thread on these trees recently.... They are just like the ones I have in a 21130 BOXED SET.... real or fake? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300550050905 > > > > Bob > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64478	From: Timboy	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: Best switch - hand built in place

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "billclarkvelocette" <billclark424@...> wrote: > > Along the lines of building your own switches, Skip Readio of the Bristol developed a nice method for building closed frog switches using AM or SHS rail. Actually the rail size could be pretty much anything you want. Skip built closed frog (similar to AF or SHS switches) so that we could run both code 110 and AF compatible cars. He built several switches on our club layout, and they have been working great for many years. Skip built them in place, on the layout, rather than building a specific numbered switch. > > Several years ago Tommy Robichaud started his large layout, which would require over 60 switches. Skip came out and showed us how to build switches, and they have been operating on Tommy's layout for many years. > > If you like trackwork, and like building things, these are fun and satisfying. I like the fact that you can build them in place, exactly the size you need, with nice smooth transitions. > > Tommy has documented the process here: > > http://bristol-s-gauge.com/Projects/cfrogsw/cfroginfo.html Bill: That was my starting point and I evolved my own style from there. http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2010/09/handmade-turnout.html Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64479	From: Bill	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Wanted: SHS Reading caboose

The SHS Reading caboose is no longer available from the mfr. I would like to obtain one to go with my AM Trainmaster. Thank you, Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64480	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: Re; S gauge switches, disappointing?

My experience with LGB has been the same as Stumpy¹s. In 1983 we bought our then 8 year old daughter an LGB set with a few extra cars. Today, the grandkids still play with it, still runs. Also, in a former life we owned a whole wheat bakery in Denver and from Thanksgiving to January 1, during operating hours, we ran an LGB in the front window, carrying whole grain and cookies, etc., in a holiday themed display The little train never missed a beat. But I will say that we have also run S-Helper S equipment on our layout at Union Station in Kansas City for years, operating on timers, seven days a week, and the performance has been excellent. In fact, the O guys are continually amazed. Roy Inman From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 14:40:55 +0000 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re; S gauge switches, disappointing? I spent every spring, summer, and fall doing G gauge garden railways from 1983 threough 1997. This included track power, battery poower R/C, and live steam. I wrote for Garden Railways magazine for six years as a contributing editor. During that time I built seven layouts for myself and five for others, all using LGB track that reamined outside year around. There were eventually several different track brands available,and I tried them all, but NONE were as well made as the LGB products, nor did I ever find a better made locomotive than LGB. The engineering was superior to ANY model railroad manufacturer I'm aware of, including the better products that are made today! I still have two LGB "set" locos which I purchased in 1983 that run as well today as any modern locomotive. I also have some of my old LGB track, thinking that "someday" I will again try garden railroading and it is in as good shape after all these years as it ever was! LGB cut no corners and of course you paid a high price for it. But not that much more than for any other manufacturer's product. They were eventually drowned by a sea of low quality outfits jumping into G scale(Bachmann, Aristo Craft/REA, USA Trains, and Charles RO) who traded on price alone. Too bad. Stumpy in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64481	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Clever Models "Plant #2"

http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/cardmodels/plant2/Plant2_1.JPG http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/cardmodels/plant2/Plant2_2.JPG http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/cardmodels/plant2/Plant2_3.JPG The kit also includes an attached cinder block garage, but I'm going to wait on that until I figure out where I'm going to place the main building. Not bad for $6.95 and a few hours of work.. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64482	From: Bill Clark	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: Wanted: SHS Reading caboose

Hoquat Hobbies has them still listed. You might want to check with Jeff. http://www.hoquathobbies.com/SHS/RS/SHS-C-Cabooses.htm Bill On 4/23/2011 1:48 PM, Bill wrote: > > The SHS Reading caboose is no longer available from the mfr. > I would like to obtain one to go with my AM Trainmaster. > Thank you, Bill > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64483	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: S ga. Switches: Disappointing ??

And comparing LGB G gauge turnouts with something as small as S seems like an oranges to apples type of comparison. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 4/23/2011 9:35:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, don@... writes: Dear Jim, Marklin went bankrupt too... Don On April 23, 2011 at 6:11 AM Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups LGB Largescale powered "1600 radius" turnouts "off and on" from about 1992 up through 2007 -- when they went bankrupt (now being reorganized under Marklin... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64484	From: Brady	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: S ga. Switches: Disappointing ??

<< And comparing LGB G gauge turnouts with something as small as S seems like an oranges to apples type of comparison. - Earl Henry, Nashville >> If the LGB works fine with Aristo-Craft, Lionel, and other G Gauge makes then it's probably a fair comparison. I've been pretty satisfied with the Flyer manuals I have. In my O gauge days I used Lionel's "022" switches - rugged and reliable but no one ever accused them of being smooth Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64485	From: Dave	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: COOPER - JARRETT, INC.

COMING SOON We will be getting a shipment of the world famous PAZAN 40 ft. tractor & trailer units branded for COOPER - JARRETT, INC. out of Chicago probably one of the best known motor freight carriers in the mid-west back in the day. Also, sometime after this we will be only one of 2 dealers that will be able to offer the new "DOUBLE 40 ft. COOPER - JARRETT, INC." Expressway unit from PAZAN. Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64486	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: S gauge switches, disappointing?

I don't know about the original post, I was telling of my experience, not slighting anyone in S. As you know I am a fan of S Helper Service track and switches in S for reasons I have stated here many times. LGB was litterally "The Standard of the World" when it came to "G" scale. They were the original manufacturer of the size of 1.22.5 scale on the old Marklin 1 Gauge track which depicted Meter Gauge narrow gauge railways. Beginning in 1968, these trains were originally designed for outdoor, year around, commercial displays. Their popularity all over Europe led to manufacture being expanded to the hobby market, but they didn't make a separate, lower quality product for that market. By the time I bought my first LGB train, an original 0-4-0 loco had run over a million trouble free miles at a Swiss hotel in the Alps. It required service only ONCE, a change of motor brushes! Yes, LGB switches would handle any other brand train unless there was a problem with the OTHER'S product. Of course part of this was because LGB had set the very exacting and durable track standards to begin with so other had to make their product compatable. LGB quality and engineering remains unmatched, even today, because of the original harsh environment they were designed to operate in and the fact that they never lowered those standards. LGB products are legendary in the train manufacturing and sales world as well as with their millions of customers. I don't feel that this reflects ill upon any S gauge manufacturer, but would seem to be a laudible goal for all manufacturers to strive for. Stumpy in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64487	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES

To acGilbertguy, The correct answer is No. Plasticville trees were not used as loads for the CP Flat Load. While Bachmann did provide Gilbert with some of their products, these trees were not supplied to Gilbert. The correct trees used on the 24558 Flat Car were made by Tru Scale. These trees had plastic armatures with foliage glued on. See Greenbergs Volume II, Page 57 by Bob Tufts. These trees are the major difference in price for this car. Tru Scale sold these trees in boxed sets along with their other model railroad products. If you can find those trees, you would have an original load. These did come in sealed bags and I would assume those in the bags will demand a higher price for the car. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 10:25:01 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES So, the Plasticville trees WERE, or WERE NOT ever used by Gilbert as the load on the CP Christmas tree flat car? Which is the correct answer? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > Now that I see these on my PC, I agree with you. They're the same as my >trees, which I've been told are Plasticville. On my iPhone, I couldn't see >them that well. > > > --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Robert A Persing <bobville@...> wrote: > > From: Robert A Persing <bobville@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 4:56 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > The trees look like plasticville trees,that came 4 to a box in O&S or HO >but were the same trees in box. > > > Bob Persing ( BOBBYLINE PLASTICVILLE PARTS) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Robert Conner > > To: S-Trains > > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 12:50 AM > > Subject: [S-Trains] CP TREES > > > > I remember a thread on these trees recently.... They are just like the ones I >have in a 21130 BOXED SET.... real or fake? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300550050905 > > > > Bob > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64488	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES

Tom, Thanks for verifying the bag part. And yes, many things on trains like this is what make the value, as like the auto transport car. Kids played with these things and they got lost, etc.. Mike From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 8:01 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES To acGilbertguy, The correct answer is No. Plasticville trees were not used as loads for the CP Flat Load. While Bachmann did provide Gilbert with some of their products, these trees were not supplied to Gilbert. The correct trees used on the 24558 Flat Car were made by Tru Scale. These trees had plastic armatures with foliage glued on. See Greenbergs Volume II, Page 57 by Bob Tufts. These trees are the major difference in price for this car. Tru Scale sold these trees in boxed sets along with their other model railroad products. If you can find those trees, you would have an original load. These did come in sealed bags and I would assume those in the bags will demand a higher price for the car. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: acgilbertguy <mailto:milepost407%40ymail.com> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 10:25:01 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES So, the Plasticville trees WERE, or WERE NOT ever used by Gilbert as the load on the CP Christmas tree flat car? Which is the correct answer? --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > Now that I see these on my PC, I agree with you. They're the same as my >trees, which I've been told are Plasticville. On my iPhone, I couldn't see >them that well. > > > --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Robert A Persing <bobville@...> wrote: > > From: Robert A Persing <bobville@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 4:56 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > The trees look like plasticville trees,that came 4 to a box in O&S or HO >but were the same trees in box. > > > Bob Persing ( BOBBYLINE PLASTICVILLE PARTS) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Robert Conner > > To: S-Trains > > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 12:50 AM > > Subject: [S-Trains] CP TREES > > > > I remember a thread on these trees recently.... They are just like the ones I >have in a 21130 BOXED SET.... real or fake? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300550050905 > > > > Bob > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64489	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 4/23/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES

To Tom Seccia and Robert Graves: I too thought that the Plasticville trees were not correct for the CP Christmas tree flat car. Too bad Gilbert didn't use them however. They look nice and have held up much better over time than the Tru Scale trees. Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > Not > > > > On Apr 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, "acgilbertguy" <milepost407@...> wrote: > > > > So, the Plasticville trees WERE, or WERE NOT ever used by Gilbert as the load on the CP Christmas tree flat car? Which is the correct answer? > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@> wrote: > > > > Now that I see these on my PC, I agree with you. They're the same as my trees, which I've been told are Plasticville. On my iPhone, I couldn't see them that well. > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Robert A Persing <bobville@> wrote: > > > > From: Robert A Persing <bobville@> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 4:56 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The trees look like plasticville trees,that came 4 to a box in O&S or HO but were the same trees in box. > > > > Bob Persing ( BOBBYLINE PLASTICVILLE PARTS) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Robert Conner > > > > To: S-Trains > > > > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 12:50 AM > > > > Subject: [S-Trains] CP TREES > > > > > > > > I remember a thread on these trees recently.... They are just like the ones I have in a 21130 BOXED SET.... real or fake? > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300550050905 > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64490	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 4/24/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES

Yes, I do agree about the CP load with the trees coming in a clear cellophane bag " I believe it was stapled to prevent trees from falling out ". However, when I bought my CP Flat I did not get the trees and I was friends ( still am ) with a guy who had been collecting for quite a long time. He said he had a spare set of original trees to give me. The set were plastic and came in a box, he had told me that when Gilbert had depleted the stock of the "Bag Trees" they had used these. He said that the Box plastic were the more uncommon than the bag trees. I had showed these to some other seasoned A.F. collectors, and they were inclined to agree. Any comments? Rich >________________________________ >From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 8:34 PM >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES > > >  >Tom, > >Thanks for verifying the bag part. > >And yes, many things on trains like this is what make the value, as like the auto transport car. > >Kids played with these things and they got lost, etc.. > >Mike > >From: Sheila Seccia >Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 8:01 PM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES > >To acGilbertguy, >The correct answer is No. Plasticville trees >were not used as loads for the CP Flat Load. While Bachmann did provide Gilbert >with some of their products, these trees were not supplied to Gilbert. The >correct trees used on the 24558 Flat Car were made by Tru Scale. These trees had >plastic armatures with foliage glued on. See Greenbergs Volume II, Page 57 by >Bob Tufts. >These trees are the major difference in price for this car. Tru Scale sold >these trees in boxed sets along with their other model railroad products. If >you can find those trees, you would have an original load. These did come in >sealed bags and I would assume those in the bags will demand a higher price for >the car. > >Tom Seccia > >________________________________ >From: acgilbertguy <mailto:milepost407%40ymail.com> >To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 10:25:01 AM >Subject: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES > >So, the Plasticville trees WERE, or WERE NOT ever used by Gilbert as the load on >the CP Christmas tree flat car? Which is the correct answer? > >--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: >> >> Now that I see these on my PC, I agree with you. They're the same as my >>trees, which I've been told are Plasticville. On my iPhone, I couldn't see >>them that well. >> >> >> --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Robert A Persing <bobville@...> wrote: >> >> From: Robert A Persing <bobville@...> >> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES >> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com >> Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 4:56 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>  >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The trees look like plasticville trees,that came 4 to a box in O&S or HO >>but were the same trees in box. >> >> >> Bob Persing ( BOBBYLINE PLASTICVILLE PARTS) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: Robert Conner >> >> To: S-Trains >> >> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 12:50 AM >> >> Subject: [S-Trains] CP TREES >> >> >> >> I remember a thread on these trees recently.... They are just like the ones I >>have in a 21130 BOXED SET.... real or fake? >> >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300550050905 >> >> >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64491	From: Monte	Date: 4/24/2011
Subject: Southport Festival

I just got back from two days at the Southport NC Spring Festival where our local club set up five layouts in various scales including my Calabash Terminal Rail Road, a portable switching layout in S (see Oct. Dispatch for an article). This is a non model railroad venue that we see as an opportunity to introduce people to model railroading and meet a few that are in the hobby or who have left the hobby but express an interest to get back in. I talked to a number of people that seemed interested and was able to give the help in whatever their interests were. Three great examples were: An HO scale modeler who watched my layout for several minutes and then said "Tell me about this. I model in HO but as I get older, it's to hard to to work with because of the size. I have been looking at On30, but this is much better." I gave him information on where to find out more about S "scale", I think we have a new convert. 2. A woman who had her Flyer equipment from when she she was a child. She had be thinking about getting it out to run but she needed a few items. She was delighted to hear about what was available from Lionel and other manufacturers of Flyer compatible equipment. She would never be a scale modeler, but we have another person back in S. A man who said he didn't want to get into scale modeling, but liked the look of Hirail and liked the operational possibilities of a switching layout. Getting out and showing people examples of what is available in S is one of the best ways of promoting the hobby. Articles and advertising do generate interest, but hands on examples can close the deal. Monte

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64492	From: Roy Inman	Date: 4/24/2011
Subject: Re: S ga. Switches: Disappointing ??

Good point Earl. Five different scales run on our Union Station Kansas City layouts, including S, and I have noticed that the G stuff can be out of square, out of synch, bent, dirty and somehow those big wheeled, bulky engines and cars usually make it around the loops. Not so for the smaller gauges. Roy Inman From: <tennsgauge@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 15:44:33 -0400 (EDT) To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S ga. Switches: Disappointing ?? And comparing LGB G gauge turnouts with something as small as S seems like an oranges to apples type of comparison. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 4/23/2011 9:35:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, don@... <mailto:don%40showcaseline.com> writes: Dear Jim, Marklin went bankrupt too... Don On April 23, 2011 at 6:11 AM Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups LGB Largescale powered "1600 radius" turnouts "off and on" from about 1992 up through 2007 -- when they went bankrupt (now being reorganized under Marklin... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64493	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/24/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES

It does seem like several cars have had loads switched over the years.... Why... Because the True Scale ones were ugly, or???? Oh well I added a note to the auction about not real.... But I still think AF could have used them.... Didn't they sub other things?... Bob --- On Sun, 4/24/11, Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...> wrote: From: Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, April 24, 2011, 1:27 AM   Yes, I do agree about the CP load with the trees coming in a clear cellophane bag " I believe it was stapled to prevent trees from falling out ". However, when I bought my CP Flat I did not get the trees and I was friends ( still am ) with a guy who had been collecting for quite a long time. He said he had a spare set of original trees to give me. The set were plastic and came in a box, he had told me that when Gilbert had depleted the stock of the "Bag Trees" they had used these. He said that the Box plastic were the more uncommon than the bag trees. I had showed these to some other seasoned A.F. collectors, and they were inclined to agree. Any comments? Rich >________________________________ >From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 8:34 PM >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES > > >  >Tom, > >Thanks for verifying the bag part. > >And yes, many things on trains like this is what make the value, as like the auto transport car. > >Kids played with these things and they got lost, etc.. > >Mike > >From: Sheila Seccia >Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 8:01 PM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES > >To acGilbertguy, >The correct answer is No. Plasticville trees >were not used as loads for the CP Flat Load. While Bachmann did provide Gilbert >with some of their products, these trees were not supplied to Gilbert. The >correct trees used on the 24558 Flat Car were made by Tru Scale. These trees had >plastic armatures with foliage glued on. See Greenbergs Volume II, Page 57 by >Bob Tufts. >These trees are the major difference in price for this car. Tru Scale sold >these trees in boxed sets along with their other model railroad products. If >you can find those trees, you would have an original load. These did come in >sealed bags and I would assume those in the bags will demand a higher price for >the car. > >Tom Seccia > >________________________________ >From: acgilbertguy <mailto:milepost407%40ymail.com> >To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 10:25:01 AM >Subject: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES > >So, the Plasticville trees WERE, or WERE NOT ever used by Gilbert as the load on >the CP Christmas tree flat car? Which is the correct answer? > >--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: >> >> Now that I see these on my PC, I agree with you. They're the same as my >>trees, which I've been told are Plasticville. On my iPhone, I couldn't see >>them that well. >> >> >> --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Robert A Persing <bobville@...> wrote: >> >> From: Robert A Persing <bobville@...> >> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES >> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com >> Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 4:56 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>  >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The trees look like plasticville trees,that came 4 to a box in O&S or HO >>but were the same trees in box. >> >> >> Bob Persing ( BOBBYLINE PLASTICVILLE PARTS) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: Robert Conner >> >> To: S-Trains >> >> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 12:50 AM >> >> Subject: [S-Trains] CP TREES >> >> >> >> I remember a thread on these trees recently.... They are just like the ones I >>have in a 21130 BOXED SET.... real or fake? >> >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300550050905 >> >> >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64494	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 4/24/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES

Bob,         Now that you mention the name, Tru - Scale is the version of trees I have. I have them in the original box, and they are plastic and snap together I believe it is a brown base and 4 green branches one on top of another. This was the replacement tree for the bagged trees so I have been told Rich >________________________________ >From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 11:26 AM >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES > > >  >It does seem like several cars have had loads switched over the years.... Why... Because the True Scale ones were ugly, or???? Oh well I added a note to the auction about not real.... But I still think AF could have used them.... Didn't they sub other things?... Bob >--- On Sun, 4/24/11, Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...> wrote: > >From: Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...> >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES >To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> >Date: Sunday, April 24, 2011, 1:27 AM > >  > >Yes, I do agree about the CP load with the trees coming in a clear cellophane bag " I believe it was stapled to prevent trees from falling out ". > >However, when I bought my CP Flat I did not get the trees and I was friends ( still am ) with a guy who had been collecting for quite a long time. > >He said he had a spare set of original trees to give me. > >The set were plastic and came in a box, he had told me that when Gilbert had depleted the stock of the "Bag Trees" they had used these. > >He said that the Box plastic were the more uncommon than the bag trees. > >I had showed these to some other seasoned A.F. collectors, and they were inclined to agree. > >Any comments? > >Rich > >>________________________________ >>From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> >>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 8:34 PM >>Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES >> >> >>  >>Tom, >> >>Thanks for verifying the bag part. >> >>And yes, many things on trains like this is what make the value, as like the auto transport car. >> >>Kids played with these things and they got lost, etc.. >> >>Mike >> >>From: Sheila Seccia >>Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 8:01 PM >>To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >>Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES >> >>To acGilbertguy, >>The correct answer is No. Plasticville trees >>were not used as loads for the CP Flat Load. While Bachmann did provide Gilbert >>with some of their products, these trees were not supplied to Gilbert. The >>correct trees used on the 24558 Flat Car were made by Tru Scale. These trees had >>plastic armatures with foliage glued on. See Greenbergs Volume II, Page 57 by >>Bob Tufts. >>These trees are the major difference in price for this car. Tru Scale sold >>these trees in boxed sets along with their other model railroad products. If >>you can find those trees, you would have an original load. These did come in >>sealed bags and I would assume those in the bags will demand a higher price for >>the car. >> >>Tom Seccia >> >>________________________________ >>From: acgilbertguy <mailto:milepost407%40ymail.com> >>To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 10:25:01 AM >>Subject: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES >> >>So, the Plasticville trees WERE, or WERE NOT ever used by Gilbert as the load on >>the CP Christmas tree flat car? Which is the correct answer? >> >>--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: >>> >>> Now that I see these on my PC, I agree with you. They're the same as my >>>trees, which I've been told are Plasticville. On my iPhone, I couldn't see >>>them that well. >>> >>> >>> --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Robert A Persing <bobville@...> wrote: >>> >>> From: Robert A Persing <bobville@...> >>> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES >>> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com >>> Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 4:56 PM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>  >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The trees look like plasticville trees,that came 4 to a box in O&S or HO >>>but were the same trees in box. >>> >>> >>> Bob Persing ( BOBBYLINE PLASTICVILLE PARTS) >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: Robert Conner >>> >>> To: S-Trains >>> >>> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 12:50 AM >>> >>> Subject: [S-Trains] CP TREES >>> >>> >>> >>> I remember a thread on these trees recently.... 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 64495	From: hjsheffield	Date: 4/24/2011
Subject: SHS 2-8-0 sale

Howdy everyone I am offering some NIB SHS 2-8-0's for sale at a great discount. I have the following engines in high rail and scale. ATSF AF Comp 1 ea 599.95 479.95 Undec AF Comp 1 ea 599.95 479.95 UP dcc code 110 1 ea 599.95 479.95 Undec dcc 1 ea 599.95 479.95 Undec dc 1 ea 549.95 439.95 I also have two cabooses for sale 1 ATSF and 1 Illinois Central at $59.95 each. Shipping is not included and will be figured to your address. Engines will also have insurance. Please contact me off list only. Howard Sheffield Howard S Trains 707 961-0186 hjsheff@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64496	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 4/24/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 4/24/2011, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 64497	From: Joseph H	Date: 4/25/2011
Subject: Re: Southport Festival

Great job, Monte. We found the same thing when the Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers took their new 5 x 9 figure Super 8 Layout to a Old Time Tractor and Farm Machinery and Vehicle Show put on by a Ruritan Club about an hour away. The 3 trains runnbing at all times with 6 operating buttons attracted a large audience, and especially the younger ones. We had several parents tell us that our layout was the only thing at the show that attacted their son or daughter and several others who planned to break out their trains (which had been in storage for years). Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Monte" <monteheppe@...> wrote: > > I just got back from two days at the Southport NC Spring Festival where our local club set up five layouts in various scales including my Calabash Terminal Rail Road, a portable switching layout in S (see Oct. Dispatch for an article). This is a non model railroad venue that we see as an opportunity to introduce people to model railroading and meet a few that are in the hobby or who have left the hobby but express an interest to get back in. I talked to a number of people that seemed interested and was able to give the help in whatever their interests were. Three great examples were: > An HO scale modeler who watched my layout for several minutes and then said "Tell me about this. I model in HO but as I get older, it's to hard to to work with because of the size. I have been looking at On30, but this is much better." I gave him information on where to find out more about S "scale", I think we have a new convert. > 2. A woman who had her Flyer equipment from when she she was a child. She had be thinking about getting it out to run but she needed a few items. She was delighted to hear about what was available from Lionel and other manufacturers of Flyer compatible equipment. She would never be a scale modeler, but we have another person back in S. > A man who said he didn't want to get into scale modeling, but liked the look of Hirail and liked the operational possibilities of a switching layout. > > Getting out and showing people examples of what is available in S is one of the best ways of promoting the hobby. Articles and advertising do generate interest, but hands on examples can close the deal. > > Monte >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64498	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/25/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES

Hi Mike, Thanks for the photo of the trees. I would hope others in the group take a look at this. I've sold these cars one that was boxed with the trees in the bag and one with the correct trees and no bag. Never had one in my collection. Part number for the trees is PA15A526 Christmas Tree. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 8:34:30 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES Tom, Thanks for verifying the bag part. And yes, many things on trains like this is what make the value, as like the auto transport car. Kids played with these things and they got lost, etc.. Mike From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 8:01 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES To acGilbertguy, The correct answer is No. Plasticville trees were not used as loads for the CP Flat Load. While Bachmann did provide Gilbert with some of their products, these trees were not supplied to Gilbert. The correct trees used on the 24558 Flat Car were made by Tru Scale. These trees had plastic armatures with foliage glued on. See Greenbergs Volume II, Page 57 by Bob Tufts. These trees are the major difference in price for this car. Tru Scale sold these trees in boxed sets along with their other model railroad products. If you can find those trees, you would have an original load. These did come in sealed bags and I would assume those in the bags will demand a higher price for the car. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: acgilbertguy <mailto:milepost407%40ymail.com> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 10:25:01 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES So, the Plasticville trees WERE, or WERE NOT ever used by Gilbert as the load on the CP Christmas tree flat car? Which is the correct answer? --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > Now that I see these on my PC, I agree with you. They're the same as my >trees, which I've been told are Plasticville. On my iPhone, I couldn't see >them that well. > > > --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Robert A Persing <bobville@...> wrote: > > From: Robert A Persing <bobville@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 4:56 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > The trees look like plasticville trees,that came 4 to a box in O&S or HO >but were the same trees in box. > > > Bob Persing ( BOBBYLINE PLASTICVILLE PARTS) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Robert Conner > > To: S-Trains > > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 12:50 AM > > Subject: [S-Trains] CP TREES > > > > I remember a thread on these trees recently.... They are just like the ones I >have in a 21130 BOXED SET.... real or fake? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300550050905 > > > > Bob > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64499	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/25/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES

Hi Tom, You are welcome, as I got lucky with getting this car, a neat story someday, as I have the box for it. I also have a box for the Domino Hopper, as I was told this normally had no box, so a rare box. Mike From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 1:24 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES Hi Mike, Thanks for the photo of the trees. I would hope others in the group take a look at this. I've sold these cars one that was boxed with the trees in the bag and one with the correct trees and no bag. Never had one in my collection. Part number for the trees is PA15A526 Christmas Tree. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 8:34:30 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES Tom, Thanks for verifying the bag part. And yes, many things on trains like this is what make the value, as like the auto transport car. Kids played with these things and they got lost, etc.. Mike From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 8:01 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES To acGilbertguy, The correct answer is No. Plasticville trees were not used as loads for the CP Flat Load. While Bachmann did provide Gilbert with some of their products, these trees were not supplied to Gilbert. The correct trees used on the 24558 Flat Car were made by Tru Scale. These trees had plastic armatures with foliage glued on. See Greenbergs Volume II, Page 57 by Bob Tufts. These trees are the major difference in price for this car. Tru Scale sold these trees in boxed sets along with their other model railroad products. If you can find those trees, you would have an original load. These did come in sealed bags and I would assume those in the bags will demand a higher price for the car. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: acgilbertguy <mailto:milepost407%40ymail.com> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 10:25:01 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES So, the Plasticville trees WERE, or WERE NOT ever used by Gilbert as the load on the CP Christmas tree flat car? Which is the correct answer? --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > Now that I see these on my PC, I agree with you. They're the same as my >trees, which I've been told are Plasticville. On my iPhone, I couldn't see >them that well. > > > --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Robert A Persing <bobville@...> wrote: > > From: Robert A Persing <bobville@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 4:56 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > The trees look like plasticville trees,that came 4 to a box in O&S or HO >but were the same trees in box. > > > Bob Persing ( BOBBYLINE PLASTICVILLE PARTS) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Robert Conner > > To: S-Trains > > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 12:50 AM > > Subject: [S-Trains] CP TREES > > > > I remember a thread on these trees recently.... They are just like the ones I >have in a 21130 BOXED SET.... real or fake? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300550050905 > > > > Bob > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64500	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/25/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES

I thought my email below went to Tom, so to make sense of the email below, I sent Tom a picture of the trees in the bag. Mike From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 4:05 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES Hi Tom, You are welcome, as I got lucky with getting this car, a neat story someday, as I have the box for it. I also have a box for the Domino Hopper, as I was told this normally had no box, so a rare box. Mike From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 1:24 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES Hi Mike, Thanks for the photo of the trees. I would hope others in the group take a look at this. I've sold these cars one that was boxed with the trees in the bag and one with the correct trees and no bag. Never had one in my collection. Part number for the trees is PA15A526 Christmas Tree. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 8:34:30 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES Tom, Thanks for verifying the bag part. And yes, many things on trains like this is what make the value, as like the auto transport car. Kids played with these things and they got lost, etc.. Mike From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 8:01 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES To acGilbertguy, The correct answer is No. Plasticville trees were not used as loads for the CP Flat Load. While Bachmann did provide Gilbert with some of their products, these trees were not supplied to Gilbert. The correct trees used on the 24558 Flat Car were made by Tru Scale. These trees had plastic armatures with foliage glued on. See Greenbergs Volume II, Page 57 by Bob Tufts. These trees are the major difference in price for this car. Tru Scale sold these trees in boxed sets along with their other model railroad products. If you can find those trees, you would have an original load. These did come in sealed bags and I would assume those in the bags will demand a higher price for the car. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: acgilbertguy <mailto:milepost407%40ymail.com> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 10:25:01 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES So, the Plasticville trees WERE, or WERE NOT ever used by Gilbert as the load on the CP Christmas tree flat car? Which is the correct answer? --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > Now that I see these on my PC, I agree with you. They're the same as my >trees, which I've been told are Plasticville. On my iPhone, I couldn't see >them that well. > > > --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Robert A Persing <bobville@...> wrote: > > From: Robert A Persing <bobville@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 4:56 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > The trees look like plasticville trees,that came 4 to a box in O&S or HO >but were the same trees in box. > > > Bob Persing ( BOBBYLINE PLASTICVILLE PARTS) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Robert Conner > > To: S-Trains > > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 12:50 AM > > Subject: [S-Trains] CP TREES > > > > I remember a thread on these trees recently.... They are just like the ones I >have in a 21130 BOXED SET.... real or fake? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300550050905 > > > > Bob > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64501	From: sgaugian	Date: 4/25/2011
Subject: Re: Wanted: SHS Reading caboose

Bill, MB Klein has 4 in stock and on sale for $49.99 http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/product-p/she-600.htm <http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/product-p/she-600.htm> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64502	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 4/25/2011
Subject: Re: CP TREES

These are the Trees which I have with my CP christmas tree Flat, and others have seen them and deemed them as real Rich >________________________________ >From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 5:02 PM >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES > > >  >I thought my email below went to Tom, so to make sense of the email below, I sent Tom a picture of the trees in the bag. > >Mike > >From: Michael & Linda Marmer >Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 4:05 PM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES > >Hi Tom, > >You are welcome, as I got lucky with getting this car, a neat story someday, as I have the box for it. > >I also have a box for the Domino Hopper, as I was told this normally had no box, so a rare box. > >Mike > >From: Sheila Seccia >Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 1:24 PM >To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES > >Hi Mike, >Thanks for the photo of the trees. I would hope others in the >group take a look at this. I've sold these cars one that was boxed with the >trees in the bag and one with the correct trees and no bag. Never had one in my >collection. Part number for the trees is PA15A526 Christmas Tree. > >Tom Seccia > >________________________________ >From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> >To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 8:34:30 PM >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES > >Tom, > >Thanks for verifying the bag part. > >And yes, many things on trains like this is what make the value, as like the >auto transport car. > >Kids played with these things and they got lost, etc.. > >Mike > >From: Sheila Seccia >Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 8:01 PM >To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES > >To acGilbertguy, >The correct answer is No. Plasticville trees >were not used as loads for the CP Flat Load. While Bachmann did provide Gilbert >with some of their products, these trees were not supplied to Gilbert. The >correct trees used on the 24558 Flat Car were made by Tru Scale. These trees had > >plastic armatures with foliage glued on. See Greenbergs Volume II, Page 57 by >Bob Tufts. >These trees are the major difference in price for this car. Tru Scale sold >these trees in boxed sets along with their other model railroad products. If >you can find those trees, you would have an original load. These did come in >sealed bags and I would assume those in the bags will demand a higher price for >the car. > >Tom Seccia > >________________________________ >From: acgilbertguy <mailto:milepost407%40ymail.com> >To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 10:25:01 AM >Subject: [S-Trains] Re: CP TREES > >So, the Plasticville trees WERE, or WERE NOT ever used by Gilbert as the load on > >the CP Christmas tree flat car? Which is the correct answer? > >--- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> >wrote: >> >> Now that I see these on my PC, I agree with you. They're the same as my >>trees, which I've been told are Plasticville. On my iPhone, I couldn't see >>them that well. >> >> >> --- On Fri, 4/22/11, Robert A Persing <bobville@...> wrote: >> >> From: Robert A Persing <bobville@...> >> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP TREES >> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com >> Date: Friday, April 22, 2011, 4:56 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>  >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The trees look like plasticville trees,that came 4 to a box in O&S or HO >>but were the same trees in box. >> >> >> Bob Persing ( BOBBYLINE PLASTICVILLE PARTS) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: Robert Conner >> >> To: S-Trains >> >> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 12:50 AM >> >> Subject: [S-Trains] CP TREES >> >> >> >> I remember a thread on these trees recently.... They are just like the ones I >>have in a 21130 BOXED SET.... real or fake? >> >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300550050905 >> >> >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64503	From: Bill	Date: 4/25/2011
Subject: thank you

Thanks to sgaugian for helping me find the Reading caboose.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64504	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/25/2011
Subject: OFF TOPIC - DISPOSING OF STUFF

Guys and Gal.... I could use some personal advice. As most of you know I have a few things that I would like to dispose of. Have any of you had and experience working with some of the Auction Houses like Ambrose, Trainz, Seigle, Etc...... Or do you have any ideas of where I could get help. Not only do I have about 150 AF sets, along with boxes of other stuff.... cars, locos, etc, I have Build-a-set and Built Rite playsets, Happy Meal toys, Barbie, Breyer horses, Hot wheels, Diecast, Cereal items, Model plane kits, HO AF Stuff, Some O Stuff, and TOO MUCH OTHER STUFF!!!!!!! No list... Just NO WAY!!!!!!!!!! I am trying ebay.... But if I list stuff I could go for years!!!!! ..... Too much work!!!! My goal is to keep enough to build the Model Railroad I wanted as a kid.... And build the model plane I always wanted as a kid but never could get!!!!!! Have it now!!!!!!!!!!!   Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64505	From: sgaugian	Date: 4/26/2011
Subject: Re: thank you

You're welcome Bill. Enjoy. I run mine also with a RDG TM. They look great together. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <brassybass@...> wrote: > > Thanks to sgaugian for helping me find the Reading caboose. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64506	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 4/26/2011
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - DISPOSING OF STUFF

Bob: Since you have a large quantity of stuff, I would suggest one of the bigger auction houses. I have always heard fabulous things about Maurer's Auctions in Pennsylvania. The "big time" buyers seem to populate that one. Also, I swear they spray something in there to make people bid irrationally high. (kidding there) I don't know where you're located, so it may not be practical for you. Steve Please note: message attached From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] OFF TOPIC - DISPOSING OF STUFF Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 19:32:24 -0700 (PDT) ____________________________________________________________ SHOCKING: 46" LCD TVs for $54.09 Today ONLY: Unique site sells 46" LCD TVs for up to 98% off retail price. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4db6b7eaaf1b6e5524st02duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64507	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/26/2011
Subject: Flyer by LTI cars for sale (85)

I have 100 New in the Box LTI box, tanker, and hopper cars for sale. This includes all of the Christmas Boxcars from 1990 through 2008. If you are looking for any in particular give me a call or email. I have some museum, etc. cars as well. In addition, all of my Gilbert cars and locos are for sale. These are all from my personal collection. Steve SnS Trains...Boise 208-376-1159 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64508	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/26/2011
Subject: CP Flat with Original Trees in Bag

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1296558378/pic/1950055455/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc I posted 3 photo’s of the trees for the CP 1958 Flat car that I got in 1993 or so. This is a mint or never run, as some have said that once, out of the box it is no longer mint, CP flat car. In the picture you can see the staple in the bag, that seals it. I got pictures of both sides. I got this from the Toy Train Station in Feasterville, PA, north of Philadelphia, as we did a trip up there in December as there are or used to be several train shoppes in the area, We visited N. Smith, as I know they are still in business, Great Traditions, Toy Train Station and Leisure Time Hobbies and a hardware store, with tons of trains, as I do not remember the name of the place. A real hardware store before the days of Lowe’s or Home Depot. Toy Train Station was the last place we got to, as he had a lot of AF on display, as the place was packed with people getting the latest Lionel train set for Christmas. They closed at 5, as the place had two two men working one in his 70’s? as I think his name was Joe, a owner and a younger man with a beard. We selected some items out of the display case, as the younger man started to bring things up from the basement for us to see. It was Five and I said should we go, he said no, you can stay till you are done, as the phone was ringing off the hook, as they did not answer, probably people calling about this train set from Lionel. And not it was not the Polar Express, as that was not made in the 90s. I think we finally left between 6 and 7, as we picked up that Christmas Tree flat car, the yellow mine car silver roof, 984 NH, a mint Domino Sugar with the box, as I am told not many of these cars came with a box, and some other cars, as it slips my mind on what else. The total was about 2,000. What was nice, the elderly man had a small cigar box he let me have to put the bag of trees in so they did not get damaged. I still have that cigar box as it has all the train sales tags in them from all the train shows we have purchased things from. At Great Tradition, I picked up a 3 digit B&M box car and a LN 322 Hudson. It was a neat weekend. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64509	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 4/26/2011
Subject: Re: CP Flat with Original Trees in Bag

Mike, The only Dominos Hopper I saw with box was a Kleer - Pak box Black end caps  About 15 years ago, when I let a still sealed 649 Circus coach for $150.00 get away from me : ( Rich >________________________________ >From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 2:17 PM >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP Flat with Original Trees in Bag > > >  >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1296558378/pic/1950055455/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc > >I posted 3 photo’s of the trees for the CP 1958 Flat car that I got in 1993 or so. > >This is a mint or never run, as some have said that once, out of the box it is no longer mint, CP flat car. > >In the picture you can see the staple in the bag, that seals it. I got pictures of both sides. > >I got this from the Toy Train Station in Feasterville, PA, north of Philadelphia, as we did a trip up there in December as there are or used to be several train shoppes in the area, > >We visited N. Smith, as I know they are still in business, Great Traditions, Toy Train Station and Leisure Time Hobbies and a hardware store, with tons of trains, as I do not remember the name of the place. A real hardware store before the days of Lowe’s or Home Depot. > >Toy Train Station was the last place we got to, as he had a lot of AF on display, as the place was packed with people getting the latest Lionel train set for Christmas. > >They closed at 5, as the place had two two men working one in his 70’s? as I think his name was Joe, a owner and a younger man with a beard. We selected some items out of the display case, as the younger man started to bring things up from the basement for us to see. It was Five and I said should we go, he said no, you can stay till you are done, as the phone was ringing off the hook, as they did not answer, probably people calling about this train set from Lionel. And not it was not the Polar Express, as that was not made in the 90s. > >I think we finally left between 6 and 7, as we picked up that Christmas Tree flat car, the yellow mine car silver roof, 984 NH, a mint Domino Sugar with the box, as I am told not many of these cars came with a box, and some other cars, as it slips my mind on what else. The total was about 2,000. > >What was nice, the elderly man had a small cigar box he let me have to put the bag of trees in so they did not get damaged. I still have that cigar box as it has all the train sales tags in them from all the train shows we have purchased things from. > >At Great Tradition, I picked up a 3 digit B&M box car and a LN 322 Hudson. > >It was a neat weekend. > >Mike > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64510	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/26/2011
Subject: Re: CP Flat with Original Trees in Bag

Hi Rich, Mine is red and white cardboard box. That will teach you to let something go. Just kidding. Mike From: Richard Falzini Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 5:00 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP Flat with Original Trees in Bag Mike, The only Dominos Hopper I saw with box was a Kleer - Pak box Black end caps About 15 years ago, when I let a still sealed 649 Circus coach for $150.00 get away from me : ( Rich >________________________________ >From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> >To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com >Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 2:17 PM >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CP Flat with Original Trees in Bag > > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1296558378/pic/1950055455/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc > >I posted 3 photo’s of the trees for the CP 1958 Flat car that I got in 1993 or so. > >This is a mint or never run, as some have said that once, out of the box it is no longer mint, CP flat car. > >In the picture you can see the staple in the bag, that seals it. I got pictures of both sides. > >I got this from the Toy Train Station in Feasterville, PA, north of Philadelphia, as we did a trip up there in December as there are or used to be several train shoppes in the area, > >We visited N. Smith, as I know they are still in business, Great Traditions, Toy Train Station and Leisure Time Hobbies and a hardware store, with tons of trains, as I do not remember the name of the place. A real hardware store before the days of Lowe’s or Home Depot. > >Toy Train Station was the last place we got to, as he had a lot of AF on display, as the place was packed with people getting the latest Lionel train set for Christmas. > >They closed at 5, as the place had two two men working one in his 70’s? as I think his name was Joe, a owner and a younger man with a beard. We selected some items out of the display case, as the younger man started to bring things up from the basement for us to see. It was Five and I said should we go, he said no, you can stay till you are done, as the phone was ringing off the hook, as they did not answer, probably people calling about this train set from Lionel. And not it was not the Polar Express, as that was not made in the 90s. > >I think we finally left between 6 and 7, as we picked up that Christmas Tree flat car, the yellow mine car silver roof, 984 NH, a mint Domino Sugar with the box, as I am told not many of these cars came with a box, and some other cars, as it slips my mind on what else. The total was about 2,000. > >What was nice, the elderly man had a small cigar box he let me have to put the bag of trees in so they did not get damaged. I still have that cigar box as it has all the train sales tags in them from all the train shows we have purchased things from. > >At Great Tradition, I picked up a 3 digit B&M box car and a LN 322 Hudson. > >It was a neat weekend. > >Mike > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64511	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/26/2011
Subject: Thinning the herd

Well, I don't have nearly the stockpile, or the quality collectables that Bob has, but I also need to clear out some stuff. I'll have some items for sale at the Spring S Spree beside my layout in the layout building this weekend. This will include six locmotives; four from my fleet of rebuilt/kitbashed Flyer steamers, and two Putt/Rex engines. There are also a number of cars in boxes, Flyer, SHS, and AM. Models. I'm fast running out of space here, so I have to "thin the herd!" This will reduce me to 19 locomotives and 70 cars for my three portable layouts. I think I can get by with that fleet. Stumpy in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64512	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/26/2011
Subject: CDS Dry Transfers?

Does anyone know if they are still in business? I have their catalogue from several years ago. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64513	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 4/26/2011
Subject: Re: CDS Dry Transfers?

they are cleaning out their business, try hooquat hobbies, they seem to have an inside line to them, good luck On Apr 26, 2011, at 6:59 PM, Paul4Schil@... wrote: > > Does anyone know if they are still in business? > > I have their catalogue from several years ago. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64514	From: Al Baker	Date: 4/27/2011
Subject: Updated photo album of Custom Locomotives

All, I just got done updating my S-Trains photo album of Custom Locomotives. The album is named "Al Baker's Customs". It contains 75 pictures of most of my collection of custom S Gauge locomotives. Many of these I built from "scratch", and others I purchased as customs. But even if purchased as custom, most I have further modified at least a little. I garantee you will see many locomotives that you have never seen before in S gauge! Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64515	From: ken garber	Date: 4/27/2011
Subject: Re: CDS Dry Transfers?

4d. CDS Dry Transfers? Posted by: "Paul4Schil@..." Paul4Schil@... kensington3121 Date: Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:10 pm ((PDT)) Does anyone know if they are still in business? I have their catalogue from several years ago. ________________________________________________________________________ 4e. Re: CDS Dry Transfers? Posted by: "clipper841@..." clipper841@... clipper841@... Date: Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:48 pm ((PDT)) they are cleaning out their business, try hooquat hobbies, they seem to have an inside line to them, good luck On Apr 26, 2011, at 6:59 PM, Paul4Schil@... wrote: ================================================================================= Last report from a Canadian retailer is that CDS has about 600 S sets still in stock. I too need to get an order in. Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64516	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 4/27/2011
Subject: Re: Updated photo album of Custom Locomotives

Nice work, Al. As partial as I am to that well known, transcontinental railroad giant, the American Flyer Lines, your roster of locomotives from Class 1, northeast railroading fallen flags is very interesting. Best job of incorporating an AF Franklin loco into a serious railroad scheme that I can remember seeing. Cheers! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Baker To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:51 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Updated photo album of Custom Locomotives All, I just got done updating my S-Trains photo album of Custom Locomotives. The album is named "Al Baker's Customs". It contains 75 pictures of most of my collection of custom S Gauge locomotives. Many of these I built from "scratch", and others I purchased as customs. But even if purchased as custom, most I have further modified at least a little. I garantee you will see many locomotives that you have never seen before in S gauge! Al Baker Portland, OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64517	From: hjsheffield	Date: 4/27/2011
Subject: sale items

HI Group I have a few more items to offer at discounted prices. All are NIB and shipping is extra. Howard Sheffield Ore Car Sets sale prices DM & IR SET A 726 1 set 179.95 139.95 DM & IR SET B 1402 1 set 179.95 139.95 B & LE SET A 728 1 set 179.95 139.95

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64518	From: Timboy	Date: 4/27/2011
Subject: Re: Updated photo album of Custom Locomotives

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alan and Sherry Bennett" <alansherry@...> wrote: > > Nice work, Al. > > As partial as I am to that well known, transcontinental railroad giant, the American Flyer Lines, your roster of locomotives from Class 1, northeast railroading fallen flags is very interesting. > > Best job of incorporating an AF Franklin loco into a serious railroad scheme that I can remember seeing. > > Cheers! > Alan Bennett > Keizer, OR > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Al Baker > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:51 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Updated photo album of Custom Locomotives > > > > All, > I just got done updating my S-Trains photo album of Custom Locomotives. The album is named "Al Baker's Customs". > > It contains 75 pictures of most of my collection of custom S Gauge locomotives. Many of these I built from "scratch", and others I purchased as customs. But even if purchased as custom, most I have further modified at least a little. > > I garantee you will see many locomotives that you have never seen before in S gauge! > > Al Baker > Portland, OR > I agree. Nice job Al. And above all, thank you for sharing your work with us. Seeing what others have done is inspiring. Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64519	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/27/2011
Subject: AF Lionel Track Gang revisited.

Last summer there was talk about the AF Lionel repro track gang with it not having the correct compressor hoses for the two jack hammers. I believe David in Houston did a nice job with black wire on his. I went away and bit the credit card and gave Lionel 12 dollars for two pieces of string. Yup, I sure did, as I did not want to full around in going to Home Depot, spending time in getting the wrong size string, as that is usually the case with me in doing something. Well, I took the track gang out of the table, as I have it level with the table top and the ballast at the track did not get messed up. I got it apart, as I took the other yellow building off and I brushed 50/50 white glue water to put foam green grass on it the top, to make it match the grass on the table. Someone mention that I might do this, and I think it will look better now. I got the string painted black, reminds me of a Rolling Stones song and tomorrow, I glue the string on the hammers and reassemble and put back in the table. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64520	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 4/27/2011
Subject: Re: Updated photo album of Custom Locomotives

Excellent work my friend. Your skills are top flight. Be VERY proud! Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64521	From: richs009	Date: 4/28/2011
Subject: Re: Updated photo album of Custom Locomotives

Al -- Excellent job - I agree with the kudos from others. I just happened to be looking at some old PRR photos on John Dziobko, Jr's website www.godfatherrails.com and your rendition of the PRR 4-4-2 (E6 class) steamer is just about dead on. His picture from 1953 is at http://www.godfatherrails.com/photos/pv.asp?pid=18. Nice goin' BTW, Dziobko's site is a real treasure trove of pictures - mostly (but not all) of East Coast RR's from the 50's and 60's. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote: > > All, > I just got done updating my S-Trains photo album of Custom Locomotives. The album is named "Al Baker's Customs". > > It contains 75 pictures of most of my collection of custom S Gauge locomotives. Many of these I built from "scratch", and others I purchased as customs. But even if purchased as custom, most I have further modified at least a little. > > I garantee you will see many locomotives that you have never seen before in S gauge! > > Al Baker > Portland, OR >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64522	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 4/28/2011
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Track Gang revisited.

Mike, Sing along: "I see a track gang hose and want it painted black" Am I in copyright trouble with the Rolling Stones now????? David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Last summer there was talk about the AF Lionel repro track gang with it not having the correct compressor hoses for the two jack hammers. > > I believe David in Houston did a nice job with black wire on his. > > I went away and bit the credit card and gave Lionel 12 dollars for two pieces of string. Yup, I sure did, as I did not want to full around in going to Home Depot, spending time in getting the wrong size string, as that is usually the case with me in doing something. > > Well, I took the track gang out of the table, as I have it level with the table top and the ballast at the track did not get messed up. > > I got it apart, as I took the other yellow building off and I brushed 50/50 white glue water to put foam green grass on it the top, to make it match the grass on the table. Someone mention that I might do this, and I think it will look better now. > > I got the string painted black, reminds me of a Rolling Stones song and tomorrow, I glue the string on the hammers and reassemble and put back in the table. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64523	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 4/28/2011
Subject: Spring Spree

See you all at the Spring Spree, being held Friday and Saturday at the Franklin County Fair Grounds, 4100 Columbia Str in Hilliard Ohio, just northwest of Columbus. I'll be there with the usual stuff, and while there may be a temporary manufacturing problem, I know I still have lots of cars, locos, &c that you don't have yet. And I got a new supply of Whiteoak turnouts. I have many SMMW kits too. Tom Hawley -- dba Michigan Models [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64524	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/28/2011
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Track Gang revisited.

THAT”S IT!!!!!!!!!!! The hoses are ready to be glued on the hammers, as I think I can handle this. LOL Mike From: bull_gator_1 Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:51 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Lionel Track Gang revisited. Mike, Sing along: "I see a track gang hose and want it painted black" Am I in copyright trouble with the Rolling Stones now????? David --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Last summer there was talk about the AF Lionel repro track gang with it not having the correct compressor hoses for the two jack hammers. > > I believe David in Houston did a nice job with black wire on his. > > I went away and bit the credit card and gave Lionel 12 dollars for two pieces of string. Yup, I sure did, as I did not want to full around in going to Home Depot, spending time in getting the wrong size string, as that is usually the case with me in doing something. > > Well, I took the track gang out of the table, as I have it level with the table top and the ballast at the track did not get messed up. > > I got it apart, as I took the other yellow building off and I brushed 50/50 white glue water to put foam green grass on it the top, to make it match the grass on the table. Someone mention that I might do this, and I think it will look better now. > > I got the string painted black, reminds me of a Rolling Stones song and tomorrow, I glue the string on the hammers and reassemble and put back in the table. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64525	From: Al Baker	Date: 4/28/2011
Subject: Re: Updated photo album of Custom Locomotives

Thanks to those several of you that made nice comments. I appreciate it. Sorry about the poor photography - as you can tell, it is not an area that I excell in. Al --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote: > > All, > I just got done updating my S-Trains photo album of Custom Locomotives. The album is named "Al Baker's Customs". > > It contains 75 pictures of most of my collection of custom S Gauge locomotives. Many of these I built from "scratch", and others I purchased as customs. But even if purchased as custom, most I have further modified at least a little. > > I garantee you will see many locomotives that you have never seen before in S gauge! > > Al Baker > Portland, OR >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64526	From: wd511@att.net	Date: 4/28/2011
Subject: Legacy trouble

I have had the Legacy system & Big Boy in a box for a while and am just now getting to set it up. The problem is that nothing happens when I try to run it via Legacy. The TTC has a continuously flashing green light. I have gotten the BB to run using a plain transformer. I have the #990 set, the TTC 300, Powerhouse 180 watt, and the two "optional" connectors. I have re-rechecked my wiring and to not see an error. I tried the ID process for the TTC and the Big Boy several times with the same result. Any suggestions? thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64527	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/28/2011
Subject: AF Lionel Track Gang

I got the golden Lionel string replacement painted and attached just fine to the men, gluing the string inside the hammers and then inside the air compressor and all put back together. I did not destroy anything which is a miracle. I got it back in the table, as it is level with the track. Ballast is back in place. I put green grass foam on the green metal base to blend in with the rest of the layout. Looks real good, no longer toy like. However the batteries to the camera died, so tomorrow I will post pictures. Thanks to Dr. Bubeck for offering to do this for me. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64528	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/29/2011
Subject: Track Gang pictures

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1750657729/pic/239645417/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc I have pictures posted on the S list for the AF Lionel Reproduction track gang with the correct air hoses painted black. And I did not screw up, break anything, when doing this, as I am good at damaging things related to train work. LOL I also put green grass foam on the base, so it blends in better, does not look toy like. Adding the black hoses made a difference to this item, Before, as Linda said, you had no idea what they where doing, these men. Ahh,12 bucks for two pieces of string from the big Lionel Corporation who did not get this repro right in the first place, but it was worth it, as I know I would of gotten the wrong type and size string at Home Depot, plus my time and aggravation in getting more string, etc. Yes 9 for postage was a nice profit center for Lionel, as I hope they spend it wisely. Too bad Neil Young is no longer with them, as it would of padded his bonus check. LOL Hey Neil was in Baltimore this week played two sold out shows. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64529	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/29/2011
Subject: Re: Track Gang pictures

Citgo Sign and Street Lights got moved, they are now fixed. Mike From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 3:37 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Track Gang pictures http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1750657729/pic/239645417/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc I have pictures posted on the S list for the AF Lionel Reproduction track gang with the correct air hoses painted black. And I did not screw up, break anything, when doing this, as I am good at damaging things related to train work. LOL I also put green grass foam on the base, so it blends in better, does not look toy like. Adding the black hoses made a difference to this item, Before, as Linda said, you had no idea what they where doing, these men. Ahh,12 bucks for two pieces of string from the big Lionel Corporation who did not get this repro right in the first place, but it was worth it, as I know I would of gotten the wrong type and size string at Home Depot, plus my time and aggravation in getting more string, etc. Yes 9 for postage was a nice profit center for Lionel, as I hope they spend it wisely. Too bad Neil Young is no longer with them, as it would of padded his bonus check. LOL Hey Neil was in Baltimore this week played two sold out shows. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64530	From: Scott	Date: 4/29/2011
Subject: 293 Pickup Shoes

Hey, Track has always been a nightmare for me, and I thought I got everything perfect until I found the locomotive that I have been looking for ever since I started collecting American Flyer. I picked up a fully-restored 293 a few months ago at a swap meet. I got it back to my layout, and the first thing the train decided to do was hit every imperfection in the track. The train picks the showcase switch and the flyer switches, and it also picks the lift-out bridge. While the bridge has changed and I have not run my 293 over it yet, I still have problems with the switches. The only difference in my 293 from my 303, 322, and 336, which all navigate the switch perfectly, is the tender pick up shoes. Is it common for these to catch, or is my locomotive not to blame and the real culprit is these dastardly switches! Thanks for your time. Scott Miller Technician and Electrician for the S-Modulators

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64531	From: Robert Conner	Date: 4/29/2011
Subject: Re: Track Gang pictures

MIKE..... Looks great..... again how did you cover the base.... tower needs it too......Bob --- On Fri, 4/29/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Track Gang pictures To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 3:40 PM   Citgo Sign and Street Lights got moved, they are now fixed. Mike From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 3:37 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Track Gang pictures http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1750657729/pic/239645417/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc I have pictures posted on the S list for the AF Lionel Reproduction track gang with the correct air hoses painted black. And I did not screw up, break anything, when doing this, as I am good at damaging things related to train work. LOL I also put green grass foam on the base, so it blends in better, does not look toy like. Adding the black hoses made a difference to this item, Before, as Linda said, you had no idea what they where doing, these men. Ahh,12 bucks for two pieces of string from the big Lionel Corporation who did not get this repro right in the first place, but it was worth it, as I know I would of gotten the wrong type and size string at Home Depot, plus my time and aggravation in getting more string, etc. Yes 9 for postage was a nice profit center for Lionel, as I hope they spend it wisely. Too bad Neil Young is no longer with them, as it would of padded his bonus check. LOL Hey Neil was in Baltimore this week played two sold out shows. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64532	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/29/2011
Subject: Re: 293 Pickup Shoes

If the shoes have worn more or less flat, they are probably the cause. Replacement sliders are available. Steve In a message dated 4/29/2011 2:30:52 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, scottmmiller1@... writes: Hey, Track has always been a nightmare for me, and I thought I got everything perfect until I found the locomotive that I have been looking for ever since I started collecting American Flyer. I picked up a fully-restored 293 a few months ago at a swap meet. I got it back to my layout, and the first thing the train decided to do was hit every imperfection in the track. The train picks the showcase switch and the flyer switches, and it also picks the lift-out bridge. While the bridge has changed and I have not run my 293 over it yet, I still have problems with the switches. The only difference in my 293 from my 303, 322, and 336, which all navigate the switch perfectly, is the tender pick up shoes. Is it common for these to catch, or is my locomotive not to blame and the real culprit is these dastardly switches! Thanks for your time. Scott Miller Technician and Electrician for the S-Modulators [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64533	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/29/2011
Subject: Bakers Chocolate tanker

I have a Bakers Chocolate tanker (24330) with unique Pikemaster trucks that I have not seen before. They are open framed side frames. I have photos I can email if anyone has a history on these or would like to see it.. Steve SnS Trains [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64534	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/29/2011
Subject: Re: Track Gang pictures

Thank you Bob. Yes, the Gabe needs that too. It was simple to do, the grass. I just brushed on 50/50 white glue/water solution like you do with ballast and sprinkled the grass foam. Mike From: Robert Conner Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 3:54 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Track Gang pictures MIKE..... Looks great..... again how did you cover the base.... tower needs it too......Bob --- On Fri, 4/29/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Track Gang pictures To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 3:40 PM Citgo Sign and Street Lights got moved, they are now fixed. Mike From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 3:37 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Track Gang pictures http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1750657729/pic/239645417/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc I have pictures posted on the S list for the AF Lionel Reproduction track gang with the correct air hoses painted black. And I did not screw up, break anything, when doing this, as I am good at damaging things related to train work. LOL I also put green grass foam on the base, so it blends in better, does not look toy like. Adding the black hoses made a difference to this item, Before, as Linda said, you had no idea what they where doing, these men. Ahh,12 bucks for two pieces of string from the big Lionel Corporation who did not get this repro right in the first place, but it was worth it, as I know I would of gotten the wrong type and size string at Home Depot, plus my time and aggravation in getting more string, etc. Yes 9 for postage was a nice profit center for Lionel, as I hope they spend it wisely. Too bad Neil Young is no longer with them, as it would of padded his bonus check. LOL Hey Neil was in Baltimore this week played two sold out shows. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64535	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 4/29/2011
Subject: Screws

Greetings: Would anybody out there know the Flyer numbers for the screws used to attach the ends to the aluminum passenger cars. The top flathead and the bottom floor. Anyone have some running time on the new Alco's. How do they perform and holdup in the field. Thanks Ron Plyler

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64536	From: Timboy	Date: 4/29/2011
Subject: Re: 293 Pickup Shoes

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <scottmmiller1@...> wrote: > > Hey, > Track has always been a nightmare for me, and I thought I got everything perfect until I found the locomotive that I have been looking for ever since I started collecting American Flyer. I picked up a fully-restored 293 a few months ago at a swap meet. I got it back to my layout, and the first thing the train decided to do was hit every imperfection in the track. The train picks the showcase switch and the flyer switches, and it also picks the lift-out bridge. While the bridge has changed and I have not run my 293 over it yet, I still have problems with the switches. The only difference in my 293 from my 303, 322, and 336, which all navigate the switch perfectly, is the tender pick up shoes. Is it common for these to catch, or is my locomotive not to blame and the real culprit is these dastardly switches! Thanks for your time. > > Scott Miller > Technician and Electrician for the S-Modulators > Scott, I don't know about Showcase switches, but Flyer switches of all varieties that operate correctly should handle loco pick-up shoes of all configurations. However, is it the pick-up shoes or something else about the 293. Make sure all the wheels are in gauge. If they are, then try taking the pick-up shoes off and see what happens. If the other locos that don't have pick-up shoes run well over your layout, then you shouldn't need them on the 293 either and it should run over your layout without them as well. If you still want to run the 293 with them because they are stock equipment for that loco, then try re-bending them back into the shape they originally had if they are out of shape for some reason. The front and back edges should be slightly rounded so the pick-up shoes glide better over an unexpected track or switch imperfection. They should not wedge into any gap between the rails on the switch or bind in any way anywhere. If they do, then observe why and make the necessary correction, which may be a slight re-bending of the slider shoes. When the pick-up shoes hit the switch, there should not be a noticeable bump. The operation should be smooth. If they don't operate smoothly, then they either need to be re-formed or replaced with repros or ones you can make yourself. Also, look at their springs. If the springs were replaced, then maybe the "new" ones are too stiff or long and tend to push the tender wheels up off the track. If so, they can be clipped shorter. Hope this helps. Let us know how you make out. Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64537	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 4/29/2011
Subject: Re: Bakers Chocolate tanker

Steve, Are you referring to the car I bought? Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... Date: Friday, April 29, 2011 6:23 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Bakers Chocolate tanker To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > I have a Bakers Chocolate tanker (24330) with unique Pikemaster > trucks that > I have not seen before. They are open framed side frames. I > have photos I > can email if anyone has a history on these or would like to see > it.. > > Steve > SnS Trains > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64538	From: EDWARD	Date: 4/29/2011
Subject: Flyer Fest West

Guy 'n' Gals, This is just a reminder that Tomorrow Saturday April 30th is our annual Flyer Fest West event that the GGAFC will be hosting this year at the St Mary's Cathedral 1111 Gough at Geary in San Francisco from 10:00am till 4:00pm. I'll hope to see you there. Mike & I thank you Jake

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64539	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: Re: Bakers Chocolate tanker

In a message dated 4/29/2011 8:54:21 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, amerflyerwanted@... writes: Steve, Are you referring to the car I bought? Pete....Yep ----- Original Message ----- From: _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) Date: Friday, April 29, 2011 6:23 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Bakers Chocolate tanker To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > I have a Bakers Chocolate tanker (24330) with unique Pikemaster > trucks that > I have not seen before. They are open framed side frames. I > have photos I > can email if anyone has a history on these or would like to see > it.. > > Steve > SnS Trains > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64540	From: Gale Hall	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: NYC full dome

Couple weeks ago a friend of mine received his long awaited NYC full length dome car....solid gray, without the light gray stripe....some questions were asked and finally an answer from Lionel....live with it or return it for a refund.....anyone else having the same problem or is there a car with the two shades of gray out there too? gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64541	From: Paul4Schil@aol.com	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: CDS Dry Transfers - Closing Down But Some Stock Remaining

After my notes below, CDS contacted me by e-mail - very gracious gentleman.   They have some stock remaining but it appears are gradually shutting down.    Thanks all for your posts & suggestions.   Paul S.  -----Original Message----- From: ken garber <garber.ken@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, Apr 27, 2011 11:08 am Subject: [S-Trains] Re: CDS Dry Transfers?   4d. CDS Dry Transfers? Posted by: "Paul4Schil@..." Paul4Schil@... kensington3121 Date: Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:10 pm ((PDT)) Does anyone know if they are still in business? I have their catalogue from several years ago. __________________________________________________________ 4e. Re: CDS Dry Transfers? Posted by: "clipper841@..." clipper841@... clipper841@... Date: Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:48 pm ((PDT)) they are cleaning out their business, try hooquat hobbies, they seem to have an inside line to them, good luck On Apr 26, 2011, at 6:59 PM, Paul4Schil@... wrote: ================================================================================= Last report from a Canadian retailer is that CDS has about 600 S sets still in stock. I too need to get an order in. Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64543	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: 44 Tonner, VGN Decals

This was posted on the Virginian Railway Enthusiasts mailing list.. "New! And just the thing to complete your Virginian locomotive roster. Virginian GE 44-tonner decals are available in S-scale (#115, $12.99) from Great Decals!, P. O. Box 994, Herndon, VA 20172, postpaid. The decals are red, white, yellow and black. Virginia customers please pay sales tax. The decals include the red and white Virginian diesel herald, the yellow Virginian road name, white number board numbers and black road numbers and Virginian class lettering. In addition to the one road number VGN had (6), nine other numbers are provided. The Virginian class can also be customized. Smoky Mountain Model Works offers the appropriate phase 1 body for this project, see http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/S_scale.html <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/S_scale.html> Lettering diagrams provided by the Norfolk and Western Historical Society were invaluable for developing this decal set. Prototype photo: http://www.greatdecals.com/GreatDecals/VGN44Ton.jpg <http://www.greatdecals.com/GreatDecals/VGN44Ton.jpg> " Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64544	From: us55820688	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gale Hall" <frisco91@...> wrote: > > Couple weeks ago a friend of mine received his long awaited NYC full length dome car....solid gray, without the light gray stripe....some questions were asked and finally an answer from Lionel....live with it or return it for a refund.....anyone else having the same problem or is there a car with the two shades of gray out there too? > > gale hall > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Same problem without light grey strip.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64545	From: Neil Trump	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome

Below is the Lionel mission statement, I'm trying to work out which parts are sincere and truthful, I'll revisit it in 10 years and check again. Our mission is to develop, manufacture, market and service the best electric toy trains and accessories in the world within a competitive environment. Lead the toy train industry with innovative engineering, flawless manufacturing and superior customer service. Employ the best people and inspire teamwork and strong communications in an atmosphere of teamwork, trust, openness and innovation. Expose children to the magic of Lionel trains and sprout interest in the toy train hobby. Work closely with our dealer network and share with them some of the decision making processes for future Lionel products. Regards, Neil Sent from my iPad On 30 Apr 2011, at 14:09, "Gale Hall" <frisco91@...> wrote: > Couple weeks ago a friend of mine received his long awaited NYC full length dome car....solid gray, without the light gray stripe....some questions were asked and finally an answer from Lionel....live with it or return it for a refund.....anyone else having the same problem or is there a car with the two shades of gray out there too? > > gale hall > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64546	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: reported attack page

When I tried to go on to the SNS Trains site YAHOO wouldn't let me. It said that the site was an attack page and would harm my computer. Has anybody else had this experience? Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64547	From: michael prell	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome

Gail,  Looks like Maiden China Strikes Again! Snotty   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Sat, 4/30/11, Gale Hall <frisco91@...> wrote: From: Gale Hall <frisco91@...> Subject: [S-Trains] NYC full dome To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 30, 2011, 9:09 AM   Couple weeks ago a friend of mine received his long awaited NYC full length dome car....solid gray, without the light gray stripe....some questions were asked and finally an answer from Lionel....live with it or return it for a refund.....anyone else having the same problem or is there a car with the two shades of gray out there too? gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64548	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: Re: S ga. Switches: Disappointing ??

: It's been interesting reading the comments last week about the switches (turnouts). THANKS for the replies. Keep in mind that I was grumbling specifically about the TURNOUTS in S gauge, NOT the other track and NOT the rolling stock. My S-Helper trains and cars themselves running on S-Helper track, seem to operate just about as well as the LGB trains. I'm probably nearly the ONLY person on this Yahoo group that even cares, that S gauge turnout solenoids all seem to consume about 3 or more amps, rather than 1/4 amp like the LGB switches. NOBODY would really care about that . . . unless they were doing automatic control, using reed switches to activate the turnouts. Since this is an S gauge Yahoo group, and not a Largescale Yahoo group, I'll try to "stifle myself" on this subject for a while. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ONE MORE PARTING COMMENT ABOUT LGB TURNOUTS ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LBG designed their whole line of rolling stock and turnouts to be used with automatic control. * They published BOOKS showing how to wire up automatic passing sidings, automatic blocks, automatic reverse loops, and other automatic controls. * They made REED switches that snapped right into the track, MAGNETS that snapped right onto the bottom of the locomotives, and DPDT (double pole double throw) RELAYS that snapped right into the ends of their switch machines. I.e. all designed to be "PLUG AND PLAY" for automatic control. ((I believe Marklin did similar designs for their HO line, but I'm not familiar with the Marklin stuff.)) At Largescale train conventions, sometimes LGB would have a booth, and their operating display would include an AUTOMATED passing siding -- where one train would pull into a siding and stop, and then the 2nd train would start up and travel around the loop -- and the 2 trains would keep alternating back and forth. The two turnouts had to be operating CONTINUOUSLY to do this. Thus their turnouts HAD to be reliable: By doing these automated controls on their own displays at shows, and marketing the "automated control" idea -- essentially REQUIRED them to DESIGN their turnouts to RELIABLY operate all day long, and with low current draw so as to not burn out the reed switches. I've been told that the Europeans have always been more interested in automatic control than the Americans, so maybe that's part of the reason why LGB designed their turnouts to be automatically controlled. - - - ((And they did have the ADVANTAGE of not having to worry about accommodating 2 different sizes of FLANGES; about 99.99% of largescale uses the same size flange.)) ~~~~~~~~~ WOULD BE A NICE TEST ? ~~~~~~~~~ Just speaking hypothetically, it would be a nice TEST of turnouts in ANY gauge -- if they could be shown to be able to operate continuously by automatic control, for hour after hour. If Consumer Reports Magazine tested model trains, I would be the one nagging them to incorporate as part of their procedure, to test as to whether the trains and turnouts could pass the "automatic controls test". But probably ENOUGH discourse by me on this subject. With all the problems and headaches that Sanda Kan (or Kader or whatever their correct name is) is causing the S gauge manufacturers, by DISCONTINUING to make their product lines, us buyers will probably be LUCKY if we can find S gauge turnouts of ANY kind in the future. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 http://SusquehannaSgaugers.com Williamsport PA <=> MacBook Pro/OS 10.6 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64549	From: Dave	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: PM Metal Wheels

We will be offering a cast metal wheel that matches the Pike Master plastic wheel PART NUMBER: PA-9990. Now all of the kit bashers will be able to paint the wheel faces and have them all match like the other older PA-9990 wheels do. This is a part that has been long over due according to about half of our clients. Thank you all for continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64550	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: Re: Screws

Hi Ron, The correct screw is #2 x 5/16 Oval Head. All my years in the parts business, I never located the number for that screw. A good substitute that will work is S-249 #2 x 5/16 Flat Head recessed for the hole. That screw is for the top. I believe the screw for the bottom is S230. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: ron_tallyho <ron_tallyho@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 9:06:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Screws Greetings: Would anybody out there know the Flyer numbers for the screws used to attach the ends to the aluminum passenger cars. The top flathead and the bottom floor. Anyone have some running time on the new Alco's. How do they perform and holdup in the field. Thanks Ron Plyler [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64551	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: Re: reported attack page

re bogus alert for sns web site, the same problem occurs also at google, and hotmail, steve at sns is well aware of the problem, believe me, apparently the fault lies with sns's isp, evidently their code is not up to date, anyway send steve a message that you need a "patch", and he will send you one that works, disregard the error message and page, good luck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64552	From: Timboy	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: Re: S ga. Switches: Disappointing ??

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups <shoot-all-spammers4@...> wrote: > Since this is an S gauge Yahoo group, and not a Largescale Yahoo group, I'll try to "stifle myself" on this subject for a while. Nah, Edith. It's all good. lol Just don't go on an eBay rant. lol Vintage Flyer operators probably SHOULD do more with reed switches and relays to do work on our hirail layouts! Operators in other gauges do. An article in this month's S Gaugian makes note of using a Semaphore to activate some trackside accessories. I never thought about that. However, since I don't use any modern electronics (sorry, Jim) on my current hirail layout, my idea would be to use track trips to activate Semaphores which in turn would activate remote-controlled switches under the layout. I would send current through the rails of those switches to activate accessories with the frog serving as a latching relay. That would kick the animation up a notch on my vintage layout, yet satisfy me that I'm still not using any modern, I say modern electronics. lol Regards, Timboy, From The Old School

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64553	From: Brady	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome

<< Couple weeks ago a friend of mine received his long awaited NYC full length dome car....solid gray, without the light gray stripe....some questions were asked and finally an answer from Lionel....live with it or return it for a refund.....anyone else having the same problem or is there a car with the two shades of gray out there too? gale hall >> Sounds like there's an opening for an entrepreneur, one that stands behind their product. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64554	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: For sale: Gilbert Flatcars & Floodlight Cars

I am selling a huge estate collection for a widow in Florida and her daughter. For reference purposes, I show 2010 Greenberg book values (adjusted for condition), but these should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer they can't refuse! Please include your address so I can calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total. Pictures available on request. Whenever you find American Flyer items for sale, you can learn what they are, what they should look like, and when they were made by checking my website, TheGilbertGallery.org. The site lists all S-Scale American Flyer engines, cars, and accessories made by A.C.Gilbert from 1946-1967 and by Lionel from 1979 to present. There are pictures of most items. Hard-to-find and rare items are identified as such. I hope you will visit the site and that you find it useful and enjoyable. Flatcars 605 sheet metal flatcar with log load. Lettering on car body is excellent. All four steps are intact. Original black-weight link couplers with white gunk. No rust. Has brake wheel and post. Will clean to VG+ or Ex- $35 628 diecast flatcar with log load. Lettering and finish on car body are near excellent. All four steps are intact. Original 1946 weightless link couplers with patent number. No rust. Has brake wheel post but brake wheel is missing. VG+ $28 628 diecast flatcar with log load. Lettering and finish on car body are excellent. All four steps and brake wheel are intact. Original black weight link couplers. No rust. Ex- $31 24566 flatcar with no load or brake wheel; Pikemaster couplers. Ex $20 24553 rocket transport flatcar with both clips but no rockets; knuckle couplers. Ex but it could use a cleaning. $25 24556 flatcar with load; has brake wheel; knuckle couplers. Ex but it needs a good cleaning $80 24556 flatcar with no load or rails; has brake wheel; knuckle couplers. Ex $20 25515 flatcar with no load or brake wheel; has rails; knuckle couplers. Ex $35 Floodlight Cars 646 Erie Floodlight Car with dark green unpainted plastic generator. The paint on the frame is in excellent condition, with virtually no play wear, just a little dirt. There are a few small scratches on the silver floodlight housing. Both original black-weight link couplers are complete and work well. It has all four steps, one brake wheel, and all six wheelsets. The floodlight lens is missing and its wire is broken. VG- $28 946 Erie Floodlight Car with red painted plastic generator. The paint on the frame is in very good condition, with virtually no play wear, just dirt and a few small scratches. There are significant scratches on the silver floodlight housing and playwear on the generator. It has all four steps, both brake wheels, and the floodlight lens, One wheelset is missing. One coupler is frozen in the closed position; the other operates stiffly and opens only with assistance. The lettering is excellent \except for a little nick in the bottom of the I on one side. There is some rust inside the trucks where you can't see it when the car is on the tracks. The lamp doesn't light, though both it and the car wiring test ok on my continuity checker. Good+/VG- $20 24529 Erie Floodlight car. Light and couplers work. Some scratches on light housing, but frame has only a few tiny spots of paint loss. One brake wheel is missing, but its post is there. Overall a strong VG. $55 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64555	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: For sale: Gilbert track

Lots of silver rail track (hundreds of curved and dozens of straight) and a few pieces of black rail track; some have no rust and some have varying degrees of rust on ties and/or rails. Most need cleaning.  Make offer, specifying condition desired and the number you need. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64556	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: Re: reported attack page

That report has been going on for some months now. But...THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT WEB SITE. IT IS A GOOGLE ISSUE. You can get around the warnings. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 4/30/2011 1:08:51 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, nowofinance@... writes: When I tried to go on to the SNS Trains site YAHOO wouldn't let me. It said that the site was an attack page and would harm my computer. Has anybody else had this experience? Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64557	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: Re: S ga. Switches: Disappointing ??

Get someone to show you how to fit capacitors to them and they wont consume the same current. Alistair On Sun 01/05/11 1:40 AM , Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups shoot-all-spammers4@... sent: : It's been interesting reading the comments last week about the switches (turnouts). THANKS for the replies. Keep in mind that I was grumbling specifically about the TURNOUTS in S gauge, NOT the other track and NOT the rolling stock. My S-Helper trains and cars themselves running on S-Helper track, seem to operate just about as well as the LGB trains. I'm probably nearly the ONLY person on this Yahoo group that even cares, that S gauge turnout solenoids all seem to consume about 3 or more amps, rather than 1/4 amp like the LGB switches. NOBODY would really care about that . . . unless they were doing automatic control, using reed switches to activate the turnouts. Since this is an S gauge Yahoo group, and not a Largescale Yahoo group, I'll try to "stifle myself" on this subject for a while. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ONE MORE PARTING COMMENT ABOUT LGB TURNOUTS ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LBG designed their whole line of rolling stock and turnouts to be used with automatic control. * They published BOOKS showing how to wire up automatic passing sidings, automatic blocks, automatic reverse loops, and other automatic controls. * They made REED switches that snapped right into the track, MAGNETS that snapped right onto the bottom of the locomotives, and DPDT (double pole double throw) RELAYS that snapped right into the ends of their switch machines. I.e. all designed to be "PLUG AND PLAY" for automatic control. ((I believe Marklin did similar designs for their HO line, but I'm not familiar with the Marklin stuff.)) At Largescale train conventions, sometimes LGB would have a booth, and their operating display would include an AUTOMATED passing siding -- where one train would pull into a siding and stop, and then the 2nd train would start up and travel around the loop -- and the 2 trains would keep alternating back and forth. The two turnouts had to be operating CONTINUOUSLY to do this. Thus their turnouts HAD to be reliable: By doing these automated controls on their own displays at shows, and marketing the "automated control" idea -- essentially REQUIRED them to DESIGN their turnouts to RELIABLY operate all day long, and with low current draw so as to not burn out the reed switches. I've been told that the Europeans have always been more interested in automatic control than the Americans, so maybe that's part of the reason why LGB designed their turnouts to be automatically controlled. - - - ((And they did have the ADVANTAGE of not having to worry about accommodating 2 different sizes of FLANGES; about 99.99% of largescale uses the same size flange.)) ~~~~~~~~~ WOULD BE A NICE TEST ? ~~~~~~~~~ Just speaking hypothetically, it would be a nice TEST of turnouts in ANY gauge -- if they could be shown to be able to operate continuously by automatic control, for hour after hour. If Consumer Reports Magazine tested model trains, I would be the one nagging them to incorporate as part of their procedure, to test as to whether the trains and turnouts could pass the "automatic controls test". But probably ENOUGH discourse by me on this subject. With all the problems and headaches that Sanda Kan (or Kader or whatever their correct name is) is causing the S gauge manufacturers, by DISCONTINUING to make their product lines, us buyers will probably be LUCKY if we can find S gauge turnouts of ANY kind in the future. ---------------------------------------------------------- Thanks. - Jim Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597 http://SusquehannaSgaugers.com [1] Williamsport PA MacBook Pro/OS 10.6 ---------------------------------------------------------- : ==========end of email ======== ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] http://SusquehannaSgaugers.com [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20S%20ga.%20Switches:%20%20Disappointing%20%3F%3F [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvcjRpZzRlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NDU0OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMDQxOTA2MDg-?act=reply&messageNum=64548 [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/64471;_ylc=X3oDMTM0ZXY5NDQyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NDU0OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMDQxOTA2MDgEdHBjSWQDNjQ0NzE- [5] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64558	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: Helper Test

http://www.americanflyerlines.net/helpers.html Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64559	From: Robert Graves	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: For sale: Gilbert rubber roadbed

8 #726 straight rubber roadbed, black with narrow ties. 2010 Greenberg says $4 each but I don't think I've ever seen it sell for that much. 26 #727 curved rubber roadbed, black with narrow ties. 2010 Greenberg says $3 each All are in excellent condition.  One has a little splotch of green paint visible and a couple have some underneath where you can't see it. I soaked them and scrubbed the dirtiest ones, so they are clean, but a couple still have a little residue in the ballast.  26 #726 straight rubber roadbed, black with wide ties.  These are pristine, Like New; there is no sign that they have ever been used.  Would Greenberg say $5 each? Make offer. I have a lot more straight black with wide ties but it hasn't been cleaned or inventoried yet.  Let me know if you need some. Finally, I have numerous pieces of black straight and curved rubber roadbed with wide ties cut to various lengths and shapes; tell me what you need and I'll see if I have one that matches it or can be cut down to match. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64560	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: Re: reported attack page

key in Steve’s website directly and it is fine. Mike From: boss31@... Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 5:54 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] reported attack page That report has been going on for some months now. But...THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT WEB SITE. IT IS A GOOGLE ISSUE. You can get around the warnings. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 4/30/2011 1:08:51 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mailto:nowofinance%40yahoo.com writes: When I tried to go on to the SNS Trains site YAHOO wouldn't let me. It said that the site was an attack page and would harm my computer. Has anybody else had this experience? Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64561	From: Brady	Date: 4/30/2011
Subject: Re: reported attack page

<< That report has been going on for some months now. But...THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT WEB SITE. IT IS A GOOGLE ISSUE. You can get around the warnings. Steve SnS Trains >> I've been to Steve's site a couple of times and my computer is fine.. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64562	From: trainnut2us	Date: 5/1/2011
Subject: Puting Kadee couplers on REX 2-6-0

I have aquired a Rex 2-6-0 from Stumpy and would like to convert the couplers to Kadee 802 or SHS any ideas or help would be great. Thanks, Jim Siverling

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64563	From: Dave	Date: 5/1/2011
Subject: AF PACIFIC 4W Trailing Truck

We will be offering a new item that has been requested by about 80% of our clients. This is the first time that we know of that a company has produced a short four wheel trailing truck for pre-1966 American Flyer PACIFIC ENGINES. This trailing truck should be at our ON-LINE-SALES WEB SITE some where around the middle of this month (MAY). We will notify you all when it arrives. Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64564	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 5/1/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome

----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Hall . . . . . friend of mine received his long awaited NYC full length dome car....solid gray, without the light gray stripe....some questions were asked and finally an answer from Lionel....live with it or return it for a refund.....anyone else having the same problem or is there a car with the two shades of gray out there too? > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I hear, these "full length dome" cars, with different windows on each side, are wonderful cars, unique among all passenger cars of any scale. They will be collectors items or curiosities for generations to come. But to respond to the specific NYC car question posed, can anyone post a picture of a real NYC car of this type so we can see how far off the Lionel car is? Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64565	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 5/1/2011
Subject: Re: AF PACIFIC 4W Trailing Truck

Hi: I don't know a lot about engines, but I thought Pacifics were 4-6-2's while Hudsons were 4-6-4's. Were there some 4-6-4's as Pacifics? Just curious. tx Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 5/1/2011 4:33 PM, Dave wrote: > > We will be offering a new item that has been requested by about 80% of > our clients. This is the first time that we know of that a company has > produced a short four wheel trailing truck for pre-1966 American Flyer > PACIFIC ENGINES. This trailing truck should be at our ON-LINE-SALES > WEB SITE some where around the middle of this month (MAY). We will > notify you all when it arrives. > Thank you all for your continuing support. > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64566	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 5/1/2011
Subject: Re: AF PACIFIC 4W Trailing Truck

From: Alan Lambert Lone Star Flyer Club �Arlington, Texas   Dave,   Keep up the good work. I will be watching for it. I have  you bookmaked for easy access. Thanks, Alan --- On Sun, 5/1/11, Dave <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: From: Dave <lbrenterprisesllc@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF PACIFIC 4W Trailing Truck To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 9:33 AM   We will be offering a new item that has been requested by about 80% of our clients. This is the first time that we know of that a company has produced a short four wheel trailing truck for pre-1966 American Flyer PACIFIC ENGINES. This trailing truck should be at our ON-LINE-SALES WEB SITE some where around the middle of this month (MAY). We will notify you all when it arrives. Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64567	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/1/2011
Subject: Spring Spree Sprung

The 2011 Spring S Spree is history and I want to thank the folks of the Central Ohio S Gaugers for a job well done. Cindy and I had a great time renewing old friendships and talking to a lot of good folks again after missing last year due to her health issues. She was surprised and pleased by the many people who asked about her health and wished her well at the event. There were four neat modular layouts representing the four S clubs that share the Spree on a rotating basis, with some nice improvements to the COSG layout. The NASG DCC switching layout made an appearence as well, displaying the advantages of that operating system. We had our #3 small space portable layout happily running as well. There were plenty of vendors, some giving discounts up to 50% and prices that were well in line with the economy, and others who were running traveling musuems, all of them spread through two large buildings. Almost everything that I took to "thin the herd" found new homes, and four of my rebuilt/kitbashed locos are in the hands of new owners. Several interesting clincs were held during the weekend, covering diverse subjects from smoke unit rebuilding to resin casting for beginners. The Friday pizza party was WELL attended, and new this year was a Saturday morning five dollar, all you can eat pancake breakfast, featuring the entertaining, pancake tossing chef. This was also well attended. For Cindy and I it was the people that remain the biggest attraction of the yearly Spring S Spree's and we're looking forward to next year's Spree in Dayton already. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64568	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/1/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/1/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday May 1, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64569	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 5/1/2011
Subject: Re: AF PACIFIC 4W Trailing Truck

Dave,   Are you trying to make a Hudson out of a Pacific. Ithought all Pacifics had only the 2 wheel trailing set up not the 4wheel.  --- On Sun, 5/1/11, Alan Lambert <adlbert1950@...> wrote: From: Alan Lambert <adlbert1950@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF PACIFIC 4W Trailing Truck To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 3:13 PM   From: Alan Lambert Lone Star Flyer Club  Arlington, Texas   Dave,   Keep up the good work. I will be watching for it. I have  you bookmaked for easy access. Thanks, Alan --- On Sun, 5/1/11, Dave <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: From: Dave <lbrenterprisesllc@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF PACIFIC 4W Trailing Truck To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 9:33 AM   We will be offering a new item that has been requested by about 80% of our clients. This is the first time that we know of that a company has produced a short four wheel trailing truck for pre-1966 American Flyer PACIFIC ENGINES. This trailing truck should be at our ON-LINE-SALES WEB SITE some where around the middle of this month (MAY). We will notify you all when it arrives. Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64570	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 5/1/2011
Subject: Re: AF PACIFIC 4W Trailing Truck

From: Alan Lambert �Lone Star Flyer club �Arlington, Texas   Rance,   You are right!  The pacific I have is a 4-6-2: the Hudson I have is a 4-6-4.  Someone  else want to chime in on this. --- On Sun, 5/1/11, Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...> wrote: From: Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF PACIFIC 4W Trailing Truck To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 4:01 PM   Hi: I don't know a lot about engines, but I thought Pacifics were 4-6-2's while Hudsons were 4-6-4's. Were there some 4-6-4's as Pacifics? Just curious. tx Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 5/1/2011 4:33 PM, Dave wrote: > > We will be offering a new item that has been requested by about 80% of > our clients. This is the first time that we know of that a company has > produced a short four wheel trailing truck for pre-1966 American Flyer > PACIFIC ENGINES. This trailing truck should be at our ON-LINE-SALES > WEB SITE some where around the middle of this month (MAY). We will > notify you all when it arrives. > Thank you all for your continuing support. > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64571	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/1/2011
Subject: Re; Pacific 4 wheel trailing truck

A 4-6-2 is a Pacific wheel arrangement, and a 4-6-4 is a Hudson. However, for those of us who would like a little more variety, we can create a 4-6-4 out of a Flyer CNW style Pacific and it will look like the plentiful USRA type Hudson rather than the regular Flyer NYC style Hudson. The Flyer New Haven style Pacific with the feedwater heater above the smokebox could be Hudsonized as well. There are other possibilities beyond the Pacifics. You can put a four wheel trailing truck under the Flyer Atlantic and change it to the rare (one) 4-4-4 loco that was tried by Reading before settling on the better tracking 4-4-2 Atlantic. The Milwaukee Road also used the 4-4-4 arrangement under streamlined shrouding for the early Hiawatha. A 4-8-2 Mountain type could be made by dropping the four wheel truck from under the firebox of the Flyer Northern and replacing it with a two wheel trailing truck. Too bad the Flyer engine has a Alco style boiler rather than the Baldwin style or I'd want do one and letter it B&O. A much tougher change that I've already done was to put a two wheel lead truck under a Flyer 0-8-0 which required building all new front end parts to make a 2-8-0. (A $35 junk box chassis and shell were used for this, no complete locomotive was harmed.) Stumpy in Appalachia...Creative Imagineer, Mad Butcher, and perveyor of the DC "Dark Side."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64572	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 5/1/2011
Subject: Re: Re; Pacific 4 wheel trailing truck

from: Alan Lambert Lone Star flyer Club Arlington, Texas   Stumpy,   I forgot about the Hiawatha. I always wanted one of them But down here never found one. I don't travel and I don't do e-bay yet. I'm trying to follow your layout style with mine . That is the space I have to work with down here.I just have to getter done. I like all of the kit bashes you have shown. --- On Sun, 5/1/11, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re; Pacific 4 wheel trailing truck To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 7:25 PM   A 4-6-2 is a Pacific wheel arrangement, and a 4-6-4 is a Hudson. However, for those of us who would like a little more variety, we can create a 4-6-4 out of a Flyer CNW style Pacific and it will look like the plentiful USRA type Hudson rather than the regular Flyer NYC style Hudson. The Flyer New Haven style Pacific with the feedwater heater above the smokebox could be Hudsonized as well. There are other possibilities beyond the Pacifics. You can put a four wheel trailing truck under the Flyer Atlantic and change it to the rare (one) 4-4-4 loco that was tried by Reading before settling on the better tracking 4-4-2 Atlantic. The Milwaukee Road also used the 4-4-4 arrangement under streamlined shrouding for the early Hiawatha. A 4-8-2 Mountain type could be made by dropping the four wheel truck from under the firebox of the Flyer Northern and replacing it with a two wheel trailing truck. Too bad the Flyer engine has a Alco style boiler rather than the Baldwin style or I'd want do one and letter it B&O. A much tougher change that I've already done was to put a two wheel lead truck under a Flyer 0-8-0 which required building all new front end parts to make a 2-8-0. (A $35 junk box chassis and shell were used for this, no complete locomotive was harmed.) Stumpy in Appalachia...Creative Imagineer, Mad Butcher, and perveyor of the DC "Dark Side." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64573	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Neon Sign

I've had this Light Works sign for a few years...I finally got around to installing it.. http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/photos/neonsigns/neonsign1.JPG http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/photos/neonsigns/neonsign2.JPG http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/photos/neonsigns/neonsign3.JPG Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64574	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome

Gale, Full dome car? Never heard of such a thing! My understanding is that NYC could not use dome cars on most of their eastern routes because many of the overpasses were too low. Wonder what car series they are supposed to represent/simulate???? Gary Chudzinski >NYC full dome Posted by: "Gale Hall" frisco91@... frisco_333 Sat Apr 30, 2011 8:00 am (PDT) Couple weeks ago a friend of mine received his long awaited NYC full length dome car....solid gray, without the light gray stripe....some questions were asked and finally an answer from Lionel....live with it or return it for a refund.....anyone else having the same problem or is there a car with the two shades of gray out there too? gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64575	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: AF PACIFIC 4W Trailing Truck

All the pics and info I have state and show that a 4-6-2 is a Pacific and a 4-6-4 is a Hudson. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: adlbert1950@... Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 14:45:03 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF PACIFIC 4W Trailing Truck From: Alan Lambert �Lone Star Flyer club �Arlington, Texas Rance, You are right! The pacific I have is a 4-6-2: the Hudson I have is a 4-6-4. Someone else want to chime in on this. --- On Sun, 5/1/11, Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...> wrote: From: Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF PACIFIC 4W Trailing Truck To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 4:01 PM Hi: I don't know a lot about engines, but I thought Pacifics were 4-6-2's while Hudsons were 4-6-4's. Were there some 4-6-4's as Pacifics? Just curious. tx Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 5/1/2011 4:33 PM, Dave wrote: > > We will be offering a new item that has been requested by about 80% of > our clients. This is the first time that we know of that a company has > produced a short four wheel trailing truck for pre-1966 American Flyer > PACIFIC ENGINES. This trailing truck should be at our ON-LINE-SALES > WEB SITE some where around the middle of this month (MAY). We will > notify you all when it arrives. > Thank you all for your continuing support. > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64576	From: Gale Hall	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome

Gary, You are right, prototype wise in that the NYC did not have dome cars, however Lionel offered them to extend the original NYC car set...The car should be for the Milwaukee Road or GN, the two road names Lionel chose not to do, I think they made UP, which is at least close to the Milw Rd, and maybe PRR to appease those fans...Now the NYC cars don't match the rest of the set with them lacking the light gray window stripe....it ranks right up there with the Santa Fe boxcar red car with black lettering that they made several years ago... gale ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Chudzinski To: S-Trains Group Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 10:06 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NYC full dome Gale, Full dome car? Never heard of such a thing! My understanding is that NYC could not use dome cars on most of their eastern routes because many of the overpasses were too low. Wonder what car series they are supposed to represent/simulate???? Gary Chudzinski >NYC full dome Posted by: "Gale Hall" frisco91@... frisco_333 Sat Apr 30, 2011 8:00 am (PDT) Couple weeks ago a friend of mine received his long awaited NYC full length dome car....solid gray, without the light gray stripe....some questions were asked and finally an answer from Lionel....live with it or return it for a refund.....anyone else having the same problem or is there a car with the two shades of gray out there too? gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64577	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome

Doesn't it represent the fantasy world toy train manufacturers live in????? EVERY PRR & NYC set I've seen has a dome car. Neither railroad owned any, but would confuse those who design the packaging for sets. Overhead clearance is a real "problem" with the eastern roads. Anecdotally, AMTRAK very carefully took a set of "Viewliners" east on the Keystone Main to 30th Street Station in Philly. They entered the station with one INCH of clearance between the catenary and the tops of the cars. The cost to increase the overhead would be prohibitive. Jim Lyle In a message dated 5/2/2011 6:44:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, chudgr@... writes: Wonder what car series they are supposed to represent/simulate???? Gary Chudzinski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64578	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full domes

Tom, The NYC had no dome cars of any type. Amoung various considerations, there were tunnel clearence issues. Here is what a full dome car looks like (in AMTRAK colors) on the San Diegan. The side opposite of the view looks fairly similar. http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/r980910/mvc-088s.jpg As for "accuracy", one needs to bring a "Flyer mindset" to one's considerations in this instance, much along similar lines of thought where AM does fantasy trains for sales purposes. ;-) Good seeing you at Spree. Bob Bubeck But to respond to the specific NYC car question posed, can anyone post a picture of a real NYC car of this type so we can see how far off the Lionel car is? Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64579	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full domes

Bob, Is that a GN or Milwaukee car? Correct me if wrong but I believe they were the only railroads to use those full length domes. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: rbubeck327@... Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 09:23:35 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NYC full domes Tom, The NYC had no dome cars of any type. Amoung various considerations, there were tunnel clearence issues. Here is what a full dome car looks like (in AMTRAK colors) on the San Diegan. The side opposite of the view looks fairly similar. http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/r980910/mvc-088s.jpg As for "accuracy", one needs to bring a "Flyer mindset" to one's considerations in this instance, much along similar lines of thought where AM does fantasy trains for sales purposes. ;-) Good seeing you at Spree. Bob Bubeck But to respond to the specific NYC car question posed, can anyone post a picture of a real NYC car of this type so we can see how far off the Lionel car is? Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64580	From: Dave	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: Re; Pacific 4 wheel trailing truck

Good Morning Stumpy, You must be a mind reader. We are in fact also coming out with a "SMALL 4 wheel trailing truck that will fit all of the AF pre-1966 ATLANTICS & PACIFICS. This shortened trailing truck is just for the #'s 282, 283, 285, 287 engines. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > A 4-6-2 is a Pacific wheel arrangement, and a 4-6-4 is a Hudson. However, for those of us who would like a little more variety, we can create a 4-6-4 out of a Flyer CNW style Pacific and it will look like the plentiful USRA type Hudson rather than the regular Flyer NYC style Hudson. The Flyer New Haven style Pacific with the feedwater heater above the smokebox could be Hudsonized as well. > There are other possibilities beyond the Pacifics. You can put a four wheel trailing truck under the Flyer Atlantic and change it to the rare (one) 4-4-4 loco that was tried by Reading before settling on the better tracking 4-4-2 Atlantic. The Milwaukee Road also used the 4-4-4 arrangement under streamlined shrouding for the early Hiawatha. > A 4-8-2 Mountain type could be made by dropping the four wheel truck from under the firebox of the Flyer Northern and replacing it with a two wheel trailing truck. Too bad the Flyer engine has a Alco style boiler rather than the Baldwin style or I'd want do one and letter it B&O. > A much tougher change that I've already done was to put a two wheel lead truck under a Flyer 0-8-0 which required building all new front end parts to make a 2-8-0. (A $35 junk box chassis and shell were used for this, no complete locomotive was harmed.) > Stumpy in Appalachia...Creative Imagineer, Mad Butcher, and perveyor of the DC "Dark Side." >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64581	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome

the reason that PRR and NYC never owned any dome cars was because of clearances especially in tunnels which in some cases was very tight. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: WJJIM@... Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 10:00:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NYC full dome Doesn't it represent the fantasy world toy train manufacturers live in????? EVERY PRR & NYC set I've seen has a dome car. Neither railroad owned any, but would confuse those who design the packaging for sets. Overhead clearance is a real "problem" with the eastern roads. Anecdotally, AMTRAK very carefully took a set of "Viewliners" east on the Keystone Main to 30th Street Station in Philly. They entered the station with one INCH of clearance between the catenary and the tops of the cars. The cost to increase the overhead would be prohibitive. Jim Lyle In a message dated 5/2/2011 6:44:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, chudgr@... writes: Wonder what car series they are supposed to represent/simulate???? Gary Chudzinski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64582	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: Neon Sign

Nice To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: brady@... Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 21:43:13 -0500 Subject: [S-Trains] Neon Sign I've had this Light Works sign for a few years...I finally got around to installing it.. http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/photos/neonsigns/neonsign1.JPG http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/photos/neonsigns/neonsign2.JPG http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/photos/neonsigns/neonsign3.JPG Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64583	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full domes

I agree with the comment that one must have an "American Flyer Mindset" to want one of these cars. And I do not have that mindset. But even if I did, I do not think I would want this car for any of the roads being offered. Now don't get me wrong: I am a passenger car guy and I like domes. But from the photos I have seen, this dome looks ridiculous. The one pieces clear plastic dome without any supporting structure is what makes it look so bad. The short domes on original American Flyer dome cars also look funny but are not as objectionable with the shorter length. In my eyes, these are ugly models even if painted accurately for one of the roads that had full length domes. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 5/2/2011 9:12:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, rbubeck327@... writes: Tom, The NYC had no dome cars of any type. Amoung various considerations, there were tunnel clearence issues. Here is what a full dome car looks like (in AMTRAK colors) on the San Diegan. The side opposite of the view looks fairly similar. _http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/r980910/mvc-088s.j pg_ (http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/r980910/mvc-088s.jpg) As for "accuracy", one needs to bring a "Flyer mindset" to one's considerations in this instance, much along similar lines of thought where AM does fantasy trains for sales purposes. ;-) Good seeing you at Spree. Bob Bubeck But to respond to the specific NYC car question posed, can anyone post a picture of a real NYC car of this type so we can see how far off the Lionel car is? Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64584	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: AF PACIFIC 4W Trailing Truck

A 4-6-2 was a Pacific every where in the world, EXCEPT with LIONEL's 2-6-4 representations of Pacifics. Cheaper than making it right. They did it for years, every catalog. Jim Lyle In a message dated 5/2/2011 6:44:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, danceswithwolves49@... writes: All the pics and info I have state and show that a 4-6-2 is a Pacific and a 4-6-4 is a Hudson. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: adlbert1950@... Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 14:45:03 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF PACIFIC 4W Trailing Truck From: Alan Lambert �Lone Star Flyer club �Arlington, Texas Rance, You are right! The pacific I have is a 4-6-2: the Hudson I have is a 4-6-4. Someone else want to chime in on this. --- On Sun, 5/1/11, Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...> wrote: From: Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF PACIFIC 4W Trailing Truck To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 4:01 PM Hi: I don't know a lot about engines, but I thought Pacifics were 4-6-2's while Hudsons were 4-6-4's. Were there some 4-6-4's as Pacifics? Just curious. tx Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 5/1/2011 4:33 PM, Dave wrote: > > We will be offering a new item that has been requested by about 80% of > our clients. This is the first time that we know of that a company has > produced a short four wheel trailing truck for pre-1966 American Flyer > PACIFIC ENGINES. This trailing truck should be at our ON-LINE-SALES > WEB SITE some where around the middle of this month (MAY). We will > notify you all when it arrives. > Thank you all for your continuing support. > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64585	From: Rhett George	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: 4-wheel trailing truck

- GreetingS - An available 4-wheel trailing truck is a great asset to kit-bash or just bash modelers. With the large variety of Hudsons in use 70 years ago, some no doubt more closely resembled the CNW or New Haven Pacifics than NYC Hudsons. Have at it. Among smaller engines the Lady Baltimore was a 4-4-4. Lord Baltimore a 4-6-4. The early Hiawatha loco was an Atlantic with the distinctive feature of the first driver axle is the main axle (main rod from cylinder). It was a very long machine, having a high horsepower boiler for fast cruising speeds. Having only four drivers it was not a high tractive effort engine. The later Hiawatha was a Hudson havng the same shroud. I'm hoping the new trailing truck will have front and rear wheels of the same diameter. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64586	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full domes

SP Had some full length domes that they build in their own shops from other lightweight cars. I road in one of those on the Coast Starlight in 1978. They did not have a lower level that passengers could access so it was very unfriendly to passengers with handicaps that limited climbing stairs. But the dome area was very nice. An interesting thing about these SP domes is that they were introduced while SP was still using steam to pull the Dayiight trains. There are quite a few photos of these domes in trains being pulled by 4449 and other GS steam locomotives. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 5/2/2011 11:38:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, danceswithwolves49@... writes: Bob, Is that a GN or Milwaukee car? Correct me if wrong but I believe they were the only railroads to use those full length domes. Bob in Butte To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) From: _rbubeck327@..._ (mailto:rbubeck327@...) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 09:23:35 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NYC full domes Tom, The NYC had no dome cars of any type. Amoung various considerations, there were tunnel clearence issues. Here is what a full dome car looks like (in AMTRAK colors) on the San Diegan. The side opposite of the view looks fairly similar. _http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/r980910/mvc-088s.j pg_ (http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/r980910/mvc-088s.jpg) As for "accuracy", one needs to bring a "Flyer mindset" to one's considerations in this instance, much along similar lines of thought where AM does fantasy trains for sales purposes. ;-) Good seeing you at Spree. Bob Bubeck But to respond to the specific NYC car question posed, can anyone post a picture of a real NYC car of this type so we can see how far off the Lionel car is? Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64587	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full domes

I have to disagree with the first sentence. I think one must like Amtrak or other roads that ran such domes. I don't think that one needs to have an AF mindset (which then implies that anything 'ugly' fits into the AF mindset). I also must agree with Earl that I don't like this type of dome, but there may be other people who do, so who knows? regards to all Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 5/2/2011 4:42 PM, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > I agree with the comment that one must have an "American Flyer > Mindset" to > want one of these cars. And I do not have that mindset. But even if I > did, I do not think I would want this car for any of the roads being > offered. > Now don't get me wrong: I am a passenger car guy and I like domes. But > from the photos I have seen, this dome looks ridiculous. The one pieces > clear plastic dome without any supporting structure is what makes it > look so > bad. The short domes on original American Flyer dome cars also look funny > but are not as objectionable with the shorter length. In my eyes, > these are > ugly models even if painted accurately for one of the roads that had full > length domes. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > > In a message dated 5/2/2011 9:12:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > rbubeck327@... <mailto:rbubeck327%40aol.com> writes: > > Tom, > > The NYC had no dome cars of any type. Amoung various considerations, > there > were tunnel clearence issues. Here is what a full dome car looks like (in > AMTRAK colors) on the San Diegan. The side opposite of the view looks > fairly similar. > > _http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/r980910/mvc-088s.j > pg_ > (http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/photos/showpic1.cgi?/mvc/r980910/mvc-088s.jpg) > > > As for "accuracy", one needs to bring a "Flyer mindset" to one's > considerations in this instance, much along similar lines of thought > where AM does > fantasy trains for sales purposes. ;-) > > Good seeing you at Spree. > > Bob Bubeck > > But to respond to the specific NYC car question posed, can anyone post a > picture of a real NYC car of this type so we can see how far off the > Lionel > car is? > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64588	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: Re; Pacific 4 wheel trailing truck

from: Alan Lambert   Dave,   Stumpy answered my question, And I now know where you were going . Keep up the good work. � Thanks, � Alan �Lone Star Flyer Club � Arlington, Texas --- On Mon, 5/2/11, Dave <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: From: Dave <lbrenterprisesllc@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Re; Pacific 4 wheel trailing truck To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 2, 2011, 10:36 AM   Good Morning Stumpy, You must be a mind reader. We are in fact also coming out with a "SMALL 4 wheel trailing truck that will fit all of the AF pre-1966 ATLANTICS & PACIFICS. This shortened trailing truck is just for the #'s 282, 283, 285, 287 engines. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > A 4-6-2 is a Pacific wheel arrangement, and a 4-6-4 is a Hudson. However, for those of us who would like a little more variety, we can create a 4-6-4 out of a Flyer CNW style Pacific and it will look like the plentiful USRA type Hudson rather than the regular Flyer NYC style Hudson. The Flyer New Haven style Pacific with the feedwater heater above the smokebox could be Hudsonized as well. > There are other possibilities beyond the Pacifics. You can put a four wheel trailing truck under the Flyer Atlantic and change it to the rare (one) 4-4-4 loco that was tried by Reading before settling on the better tracking 4-4-2 Atlantic. The Milwaukee Road also used the 4-4-4 arrangement under streamlined shrouding for the early Hiawatha. > A 4-8-2 Mountain type could be made by dropping the four wheel truck from under the firebox of the Flyer Northern and replacing it with a two wheel trailing truck. Too bad the Flyer engine has a Alco style boiler rather than the Baldwin style or I'd want do one and letter it B&O. > A much tougher change that I've already done was to put a two wheel lead truck under a Flyer 0-8-0 which required building all new front end parts to make a 2-8-0. (A $35 junk box chassis and shell were used for this, no complete locomotive was harmed.) > Stumpy in Appalachia...Creative Imagineer, Mad Butcher, and perveyor of the DC "Dark Side." > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64589	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome

It was also the water level route. Not much to see from five feet higher... Roy From: Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 08:48:37 -0600 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: NYC full dome the reason that PRR and NYC never owned any dome cars was because of clearances especially in tunnels which in some cases was very tight. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> From: WJJIM@... <mailto:WJJIM%40aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 10:00:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NYC full dome Doesn't it represent the fantasy world toy train manufacturers live in????? EVERY PRR & NYC set I've seen has a dome car. Neither railroad owned any, but would confuse those who design the packaging for sets. Overhead clearance is a real "problem" with the eastern roads. Anecdotally, AMTRAK very carefully took a set of "Viewliners" east on the Keystone Main to 30th Street Station in Philly. They entered the station with one INCH of clearance between the catenary and the tops of the cars. The cost to increase the overhead would be prohibitive. Jim Lyle In a message dated 5/2/2011 6:44:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, chudgr@... <mailto:chudgr%40earthlink.net> writes: Wonder what car series they are supposed to represent/simulate???? Gary Chudzinski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64590	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full domes

I did not mean to imply that anything AF is ugly. There are some quality items that are also nicely decorated. The Gilbert Hudsons and Northerns are beautiful. Also the PA's and several of the passenger sets. And some of the freight cars have really nice graphics, though you can usually purchase higher quality freight cars for a lower price from AM and SHS. But I see the full length dome car as appealing to little children and to collectors. Nothing wrong with that but its not my mindset. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 5/2/2011 2:02:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, velapoldi@... writes: I don't think that one needs to have an AF mindset (which then implies that anything 'ugly' fits into the AF mindset). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64591	From: SMMW	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: SAL B7 S scale decals

I just received confirmation from my decal source that a late May delivery for 80+ sets of S scale SAL B7 decals will be NO PROBLEM. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. Ph. (828) 777-5619 <www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64592	From: Timboy	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Bullfrog Snot

Hi, I've seen a couple posts on this product and have gone out to the web site for the info. What I can not determine, is if it will work on vintage American Flyer non-pulmor steamers run on vintage Flyer track. I don't run anything new and I don't use new track, so I don't care about that. I read the claim and I can make my own guesses, but has anyone on this list tried this product the way I have outlined above? Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64593	From: SMMW	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: S scale SAL B7 boxcar now a reality ... HO coming first

Thanks to a final push from folks following my recent email "status report", I'm pleased to announce that I've reached the "magic number" to make the SAL B7 "turtleback" boxcar a "done deal" in S scale. I will be emailing all who have unpaid reservations shortly . it's time to ante-up to make your reservation a firm order. As I've stated all along, the HO CAD files must exist before it's larger cousin can be produced in S. The SAL B7 is no different. The HO design will start in late June; the S version right after I receive HO patterns so that I can verify everything is "proper" before buying larger dupes. I cannot predict an exact delivery month for the S version because my decal source, who has graciously agreed to come out of retirement to create this set for me in HO and S, has a new job that requires travel away from home between late May and mid-October. If possible, he may be able to print some HO and S sets before heading out; I've emailed him today but it'll be tonight before I get a reply. This will not stop me from producing patterns and castings for either scale so, assuming, S sets won't be available until October, boxed kits will stack up here awaiting their arrival, then shipped immediately. We're not done yet. I will ONLY order enough decals and produce ONLY enough kits to cover PAID-IN-FULL reservations, including those reserved by dealers. DO NOT assume you can order a kit from me in June and still get it 'cause you won't. Payment-in-full must be received by SMMW by Tuesday, May 31st to guarantee your order. Whomever has paid in full in time to reach me by 5/31 will be guaranteed their order; after that, no more orders will be accepted, so you'll have to get 'em from dealers or from a friend who may have an extra. For inventory reasons, particularly decal printing (which is VERY expensive and has a short shelf live), I cannot afford to sit on dead inventory month after month. The nature of resin kits is usually based on "limited runs" . this kit is no different so don't be a late-comer to the party and miss out on a once-in-a-lifetime offer from SMMW. I'm MOST appreciative to those who stepped up to the plate to make John Degnan's "boxcar project" come to life. Now, complete what you've started by sending in payment to "seal the deal". Thanks to everyone who has been involved "spreading the word". Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. Ph. (828) 777-5619 <www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64594	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: Bullfrog Snot

It cured wheel slippage on my non Pullmor equipped Pacifics Bob Sent from my iPod On May 2, 2011, at 6:34 PM, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > Hi, > > I've seen a couple posts on this product and have gone out to the web site for the info. What I can not determine, is if it will work on vintage American Flyer non-pulmor steamers run on vintage Flyer track. I don't run anything new and I don't use new track, so I don't care about that. I read the claim and I can make my own guesses, but has anyone on this list tried this product the way I have outlined above? > > Regards, > Timboy > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64595	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: Bullfrog Snot

Yep, I have. Works great! Daryl On 5/2/2011 6:34 PM, Timboy wrote: > > Hi, > > I've seen a couple posts on this product and have gone out to the web > site for the info. What I can not determine, is if it will work on > vintage American Flyer non-pulmor steamers run on vintage Flyer track. > I don't run anything new and I don't use new track, so I don't care > about that. I read the claim and I can make my own guesses, but has > anyone on this list tried this product the way I have outlined above? > > Regards, > Timboy > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64596	From: kempfam@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome

NYC had no domes. Ron Kemp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64597	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: Re; Pacific 4 wheel trailing truck

Dave, I'm looking forward to you producing a four wheel trailing truck that would fit a 302AC chassis because I've used that chassis on a Hiawatha engine that was custom built for me. I'm excited if I can get one from you in the future. Keep all of us on this board posted on this project. Tom Detmer On 5/2/2011 11:46 AM, Alan Lambert wrote: > > from: Alan Lambert > > Dave, > > Stumpy answered my question, And I now know where you were going . > Keep up the good work. > � Thanks, > � Alan > �Lone Star Flyer Club > � Arlington, Texas > > --- On Mon, 5/2/11, Dave <lbrenterprisesllc@... > <mailto:lbrenterprisesllc%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > From: Dave <lbrenterprisesllc@... > <mailto:lbrenterprisesllc%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Re; Pacific 4 wheel trailing truck > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Monday, May 2, 2011, 10:36 AM > > > > Good Morning Stumpy, > You must be a mind reader. We are in fact also coming out with a > "SMALL 4 wheel trailing truck that will fit all of the AF pre-1966 > ATLANTICS & PACIFICS. This shortened trailing truck is just for the > #'s 282, 283, 285, 287 engines. > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > > > A 4-6-2 is a Pacific wheel arrangement, and a 4-6-4 is a Hudson. > However, for those of us who would like a little more variety, we can > create a 4-6-4 out of a Flyer CNW style Pacific and it will look like > the plentiful USRA type Hudson rather than the regular Flyer NYC style > Hudson. The Flyer New Haven style Pacific with the feedwater heater > above the smokebox could be Hudsonized as well. > > There are other possibilities beyond the Pacifics. You can put a > four wheel trailing truck under the Flyer Atlantic and change it to > the rare (one) 4-4-4 loco that was tried by Reading before settling on > the better tracking 4-4-2 Atlantic. The Milwaukee Road also used the > 4-4-4 arrangement under streamlined shrouding for the early Hiawatha. > > A 4-8-2 Mountain type could be made by dropping the four wheel truck > from under the firebox of the Flyer Northern and replacing it with a > two wheel trailing truck. Too bad the Flyer engine has a Alco style > boiler rather than the Baldwin style or I'd want do one and letter it B&O. > > A much tougher change that I've already done was to put a two wheel > lead truck under a Flyer 0-8-0 which required building all new front > end parts to make a 2-8-0. (A $35 junk box chassis and shell were used > for this, no complete locomotive was harmed.) > > Stumpy in Appalachia...Creative Imagineer, Mad Butcher, and perveyor > of the DC "Dark Side." > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64598	From: Jerry	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome

The full domes are kind of nice, despite the lack of interior detail. I believe MR and GN both had full domes, in addition to others. The NYC domes are to compliment a previous set of cars that Lionel made for Flyer. The trouble is, Lionel didn't make any passenger cars for either MR or GN. But if anybody wants to see what they might look like, go to the album labeled "Jerry's Trains" and look at the last two photos. I took two brand new Santa Fe cars and immediately disassembled them and threw the shells in paint stripper, then proceeded to paint them in MR colors to match an already painted train I did a few years ago. I ran the train at the S Spree last weekend. Even if it wasn't completely "correct", it looked pretty good. After all, they're all toys in the end, aren't they? Oh, and by the way, a GN passenger train is in the planning stages.... Jerry Poniatowski Bashing and Painting in Wayne, MI --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gale Hall" <frisco91@...> wrote: > > Gary, > > You are right, prototype wise in that the NYC did not have dome cars, however Lionel offered them to extend the original NYC car set...The car should be for the Milwaukee Road or GN, the two road names Lionel chose not to do, I think they made UP, which is at least close to the Milw Rd, and maybe PRR to appease those fans...Now the NYC cars don't match the rest of the set with them lacking the light gray window stripe....it ranks right up there with the Santa Fe boxcar red car with black lettering that they made several years ago... > > gale > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gary Chudzinski > To: S-Trains Group > Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 10:06 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NYC full dome > > > > Gale, > Full dome car? Never heard of such a thing! My understanding is that NYC could not use dome cars on most of their eastern routes because many of the overpasses were too low. Wonder what car series they are supposed to represent/simulate???? > Gary Chudzinski > > >NYC full dome > Posted by: "Gale Hall" frisco91@... frisco_333 > Sat Apr 30, 2011 8:00 am (PDT) > Couple weeks ago a friend of mine received his long awaited NYC full length dome car....solid gray, without the light gray stripe....some questions were asked and finally an answer from Lionel....live with it or return it for a refund.....anyone else having the same problem or is there a car with the two shades of gray out there too? > > gale hall > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64599	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Reading 4-4-4's

_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_Company_C1a_Class_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_Company_C1a_Class) There were 4 of the short lived Reading 4-4-4's, before being converted to "Atlantics" within a year of construction. Instability was the given reason. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64600	From: tbennerohio	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: Bullfrog Snot

Tim, I use Gargraves track and Flyer switches. It took a few practice applications, but after getting a nice thin even application it works as advertised. So far I have only tried it on plastic steamers. Both a 282 and 356 pull a ton more. At first I put it on the main (geared) and front drivers. That was unnecessary and I pulled it off the front drivers as it caused a bit of a waddle especially on the 356. It would probably make a cast steamer an incredible pulled. Regards, Tim Benner Dayton, OH --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > I've seen a couple posts on this product and have gone out to the web site for the info. What I can not determine, is if it will work on vintage American Flyer non-pulmor steamers run on vintage Flyer track. I don't run anything new and I don't use new track, so I don't care about that. I read the claim and I can make my own guesses, but has anyone on this list tried this product the way I have outlined above? > en > Regards, > Timboy >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64601	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: Bullfrog Snot

It will work Tim. Getting it on correctly is the trick. Keeping old Flyer track clean is part of the equation also. You need to have the loco running slowly, and in an upside-down attitude. I use a Q-tip dipped in the snot and apply it lightly. Since loco wheels do not pick up current, you can put it on all wheels that meet the track. That applies to steamers only. Let it run a bit after you apply it to keep it from lumping up. Best to leave it over night before you use it too. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 5/2/2011 4:53:32 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, timstrains2000@... writes: Hi, I've seen a couple posts on this product and have gone out to the web site for the info. What I can not determine, is if it will work on vintage American Flyer non-pulmor steamers run on vintage Flyer track. I don't run anything new and I don't use new track, so I don't care about that. I read the claim and I can make my own guesses, but has anyone on this list tried this product the way I have outlined above? Regards, Timboy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64602	From: richs009	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full domes

Earl and Bob in Butte -- I hadn't realized SP had full-length domes. If you have a link to pictures that would be interesting to see. I know that GN and Milwaukee Rd had them. Didn't Santa Fe also have full-length domes? UP never did, I believe. Lots of 'regular' domes and dome diners on their "City of XX" trains, but not full-length as I recall. Burlington (CB&Q) also had lots of regular domes on their CA Zephyr's. I spent a lot of time in UP and CB&Q domes as a kid and college student. I think it also true that no "Eastern" RR's had domes of any kind (where "Eastern" is anything East of Chicago...). (??) I always thought it kind of amusing that Flyer and Lionel had Eastern RR passenger sets with domes. This sort of falls under the model makers 'artistic license', so its ok... Does Amtrak run dome cars at all now - aside from their high level cars, which offer a great view but the profile is still the same as their regular coaches, etc.? - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > SP Had some full length domes that they build in their own shops from other > lightweight cars. I road in one of those on the Coast Starlight in 1978. > They did not have a lower level that passengers could access so it was > very unfriendly to passengers with handicaps that limited climbing stairs. > But the dome area was very nice. > > An interesting thing about these SP domes is that they were introduced > while SP was still using steam to pull the Dayiight trains. There are quite a > few photos of these domes in trains being pulled by 4449 and other GS > steam locomotives. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > > > In a message dated 5/2/2011 11:38:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > danceswithwolves49@... writes: > > > > > > Bob, > Is that a GN or Milwaukee car? Correct me if wrong but I believe they were > the only railroads to use those full length domes. > Bob in Butte > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64603	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: Bullfrog Snot

I have sold over 100 bottles of BS so far, without a single complaint. And obviously, 99% of my customer base is S-gaugers. What I have recently recommended, howeverm is to apply two coats before using it. BS was originally formulated with HO and N gauge engines in mind.....lightweight. For S and O-gauge engines, a single coat will wear off quicker due to weight. So apply a coat per directions.....let it sit overnight.....and apply a second coat. It will still wear way, of course, but not as soon. << I read the claim and I can make my own guesses, but has anyone on this list tried this product the way I have outlined above? Regards, Timboy>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com www.flyerparts.com <http://www.flyerparts.com/> www.sgaugetrains.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64604	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full domes

AMTRAK is using former Great Northern Railway #1391 "Ocean View", I believe. As with more than a few 'model' train companies, L-AF has exercised a considerable level of license with these. I am not very keen about these full domes, but others are having fun with them.... and that's OK. Bob Bubeck In a message dated 5/2/2011 10:54:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Bob, Is that a GN or Milwaukee car? Correct me if wrong but I believe they were the only railroads to use those full length domes. Bob in Butte [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64605	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: Neon Sign

Very Nice!   What kind of vehicles are the taxis in front of the train station?   Al --- On Sun, 5/1/11, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: From: Brady Burdge <brady@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Neon Sign To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 7:43 PM   I've had this Light Works sign for a few years...I finally got around to installing it.. http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/photos/neonsigns/neonsign1.JPG http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/photos/neonsigns/neonsign2.JPG http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/photos/neonsigns/neonsign3.JPG Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64606	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: The Milwaukee Road

----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry . . . . . . . . .. I believe MR and GN both had full domes, . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's something about the Milwaukee Road's cars. http://milwaukeeroadarchives.com/AnnualReports/SuperDomeArticleRailwayAge12081952.pdf It's a big file, be patient. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64607	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full domes

I could swear I've seen pictures of a dome car on the Delaware & Hudson Bob Sent from my iPod On May 2, 2011, at 11:04 PM, "richs009" <richs009@...> wrote: > Earl and Bob in Butte -- I hadn't realized SP had full-length domes. If you have a link to pictures that would be interesting to see. I know that GN and Milwaukee Rd had them. Didn't Santa Fe also have full-length domes? UP never did, I believe. Lots of 'regular' domes and dome diners on their "City of XX" trains, but not full-length as I recall. Burlington (CB&Q) also had lots of regular domes on their CA Zephyr's. I spent a lot of time in UP and CB&Q domes as a kid and college student. > > I think it also true that no "Eastern" RR's had domes of any kind (where "Eastern" is anything East of Chicago...). (??) I always thought it kind of amusing that Flyer and Lionel had Eastern RR passenger sets with domes. This sort of falls under the model makers 'artistic license', so its ok... > > Does Amtrak run dome cars at all now - aside from their high level cars, which offer a great view but the profile is still the same as their regular coaches, etc.? > > - Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > > > SP Had some full length domes that they build in their own shops from other > > lightweight cars. I road in one of those on the Coast Starlight in 1978. > > They did not have a lower level that passengers could access so it was > > very unfriendly to passengers with handicaps that limited climbing stairs. > > But the dome area was very nice. > > > > An interesting thing about these SP domes is that they were introduced > > while SP was still using steam to pull the Dayiight trains. There are quite a > > few photos of these domes in trains being pulled by 4449 and other GS > > steam locomotives. > > > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/2/2011 11:38:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > danceswithwolves49@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > Is that a GN or Milwaukee car? Correct me if wrong but I believe they were > > the only railroads to use those full length domes. > > Bob in Butte > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64608	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: Re: SP full domes

Earl and Bob in Butte, The SP dome cars were considered to be 3/4-length, not full length. Information and photos can be found at this web site: http://www.trainweb.org/web_lurker/SPf/ Click on the photo oF a car to get a listing of photos of that particular car, and then click on the photo you are interested in seeing. Lee Johnson Walnut Creek,CA On May 2, 2011, at 8:04 PM, richs009 wrote: > Earl and Bob in Butte -- I hadn't realized SP had full-length domes. If you have a link to pictures that would be interesting to see. I know that GN and Milwaukee Rd had them. Didn't Santa Fe also have full-length domes? UP never did, I believe. Lots of 'regular' domes and dome diners on their "City of XX" trains, but not full-length as I recall. Burlington (CB&Q) also had lots of regular domes on their CA Zephyr's. I spent a lot of time in UP and CB&Q domes as a kid and college student. > > I think it also true that no "Eastern" RR's had domes of any kind (where "Eastern" is anything East of Chicago...). (??) I always thought it kind of amusing that Flyer and Lionel had Eastern RR passenger sets with domes. This sort of falls under the model makers 'artistic license', so its ok... > > Does Amtrak run dome cars at all now - aside from their high level cars, which offer a great view but the profile is still the same as their regular coaches, etc.? > > - Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > > > SP Had some full length domes that they build in their own shops from other > > lightweight cars. I road in one of those on the Coast Starlight in 1978. > > They did not have a lower level that passengers could access so it was > > very unfriendly to passengers with handicaps that limited climbing stairs. > > But the dome area was very nice. > > > > An interesting thing about these SP domes is that they were introduced > > while SP was still using steam to pull the Dayiight trains. There are quite a > > few photos of these domes in trains being pulled by 4449 and other GS > > steam locomotives. > > > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/2/2011 11:38:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > danceswithwolves49@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > Is that a GN or Milwaukee car? Correct me if wrong but I believe they were > > the only railroads to use those full length domes. > > Bob in Butte > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64609	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 5/2/2011
Subject: SHS wheelsets for sale

FOR SALE from the Don Seeburger estate.. 230 SHS AF-compatible wheelsets. Never used. One wheelset has two wheels on one axle. NOT scale wheelsets. Being sold in six different batches or lots as follows: Lot #A consists of 40 wheelsets which is enough for 10 freight cars. Lot #B is the same as #A above. Lot #C is the same as #A above. Lot #D is the same as #A above. Lot #E is the same as #A above. Lot #F consists of 30 wheelsets which is enough for 7-1/2 freight cars. Prices are as follows: Lots #A, B, C, D and E are $40 each + shipping cost. ($1 per wheelset) Lot #F is $ 30 + shipping cost. ($1 per wheelset) Contact Eileen Seeburger at: emseeb@... or 1-925-831-1938 (California time) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64610	From: timstrains2000	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: Bullfrog Snot

> > Hi, > > > > I've seen a couple posts on this product and have gone out to the web site for the info. What I can not determine, is if it will work on vintage American Flyer non-pulmor steamers run on vintage Flyer track. I don't run anything new and I don't use new track, so I don't care about that. I read the claim and I can make my own guesses, but has anyone on this list tried this product the way I have outlined above? > > en > > Regards, > > Timboy Thanks for the replies, guys. Due to it's cost, I didn't want to go into it uninformed from actual users. I'll let this group know how it works on MY vintage Flyer layout. Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64611	From: rapidrail1	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome

I look forward to seeing you cars, Jerry. I agree with the previous statement that fans of this car must enjoy the fantasy of such cars. After years of being stuck in the box of scale modeling, I now enjoy the pure fantasy of this hobby. In that light I have created many Christmas cars, both passenger and freight, including action cars. Many can be seen in my photo file, I forget the name, but it may be something like "Wayne's Christmas trains". I too took one of these vistas and stripped the paint. I am in the process of painting and decorating it for my Christmas streamline train, "North Pole Express". One caution for anyone else the giant hole in the top of the shell weakened it, and made it suppceptable to cracking during handling. Go lightly. The decals take the longest on these repaints so I don't know when I'll be done, but I will take photos of this, the old time branch Christmas passenger train I just finished, and one new freight car I'm working on. I also have an idea for my funny fantasy train for the caboose. "Without a caboose, there is no closure". Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry" <poniaj@...> wrote: > > The full domes are kind of nice, despite the lack of interior detail. I believe MR and GN both had full domes, in addition to others. The NYC domes are to compliment a previous set of cars that Lionel made for Flyer. The trouble is, Lionel didn't make any passenger cars for either MR or GN. But if anybody wants to see what they might look like, go to the album labeled "Jerry's Trains" and look at the last two photos. I took two brand new Santa Fe cars and immediately disassembled them and threw the shells in paint stripper, then proceeded to paint them in MR colors to match an already painted train I did a few years ago. I ran the train at the S Spree last weekend. Even if it wasn't completely "correct", it looked pretty good. After all, they're all toys in the end, aren't they? > > Oh, and by the way, a GN passenger train is in the planning stages.... > > Jerry Poniatowski > Bashing and Painting in Wayne, MI > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64612	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: More Atlantic modifications?

Since the Flyer Atlantics are so plentiful and cheap, they are perfect engine to modify and can be found in less than pristine condition or even junk boxes at many shows. One thing that has always bugged me was the Wooten firebox. This was designed to burn the slower burning "hard" coal of the region and was very wide, often having two firebox doors side by side so that the fireman could cover the entire grate area. This originally limited the use of a trailing truck unless the firebox sat rather high on the engine frame. This firebox also gave rise to the "Camelback" or "Mother Hubbard" style locomotives with the cab astride the top of the boiler and the fireboy working off the tender deck at the back. The Reading was perhaps the biggest user of this type, with Central of New Jersey also owning many of them. However, if you're not a fan of those roads, you would probably want to depict a more standard firebox on your Atlantic. For this, I would start with a plastic shell and do some serious surgery to cut or grind away much of the lower firebox area. New lower firebox areas could then be replaced with sheet plastic and detailing from there. If you want a Pennsy look with Belpre firebox, some build up atop the firebox area with plastic and some putty will be needed. If you're doing the Hiawatha, the shrouding could cover the Wooten firebox with little further modification. Another conversion I have thought about doing was to change the Atlantic into a 4-4-4 Suburban. These were popular commuter engines as they were "tank" types which did not require turning at the end of the run. A fuel bunker/water tank would have to be built onto the back of the cab and the four wheel truck mounted underneath. Electrical pick up would be a problem, since old Flyer drew current from the tender trucks. Two solutions come to mind: One would be to use the trailing truck and pilot trucks to pick up power. A second solution would be to have a trailing passenger car wired to the loco with a sub-miniture electronics plug. This car would pick up the juice and pass it to the engine. Just some thoughts from the twisted mind of a Mad Butcher of helpless junk box locos! Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64613	From: Scott Freeman	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: Neon Sign

The Taxi Cabs are Dimestore Dreams cars. I just bought the remaining inventory the company had from 2000 including the prototypes. Scott ________________________________ From: albert paolozzi <amflyral@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 12:01:06 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Neon Sign   Very Nice!   What kind of vehicles are the taxis in front of the train station?   Al --- On Sun, 5/1/11, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: From: Brady Burdge <brady@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Neon Sign To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 7:43 PM   I've had this Light Works sign for a few years...I finally got around to installing it.. http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/photos/neonsigns/neonsign1.JPG http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/photos/neonsigns/neonsign2.JPG http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/photos/neonsigns/neonsign3.JPG Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64614	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: More Atlantic modifications?

Stumpy,      We have, in the past, solved the problem of getting elec. to the engine by drilling a through hold in the chassis between the 2 drivers and fitting the chassis out with electrical pick up shoes similar to the kind found on HO scale that pick up elec. from the driver rims and installing the E unit in the cab thus eliminating the tender completely or if you wish keeping the tender and eliminating dead spots when operating through a lot of turn outs. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc   --- On Tue, 5/3/11, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] More Atlantic modifications? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 7:24 AM   Since the Flyer Atlantics are so plentiful and cheap, they are perfect engine to modify and can be found in less than pristine condition or even junk boxes at many shows. One thing that has always bugged me was the Wooten firebox. This was designed to burn the slower burning "hard" coal of the region and was very wide, often having two firebox doors side by side so that the fireman could cover the entire grate area. This originally limited the use of a trailing truck unless the firebox sat rather high on the engine frame. This firebox also gave rise to the "Camelback" or "Mother Hubbard" style locomotives with the cab astride the top of the boiler and the fireboy working off the tender deck at the back. The Reading was perhaps the biggest user of this type, with Central of New Jersey also owning many of them. However, if you're not a fan of those roads, you would probably want to depict a more standard firebox on your Atlantic. For this, I would start with a plastic shell and do some serious surgery to cut or grind away much of the lower firebox area. New lower firebox areas could then be replaced with sheet plastic and detailing from there. If you want a Pennsy look with Belpre firebox, some build up atop the firebox area with plastic and some putty will be needed. If you're doing the Hiawatha, the shrouding could cover the Wooten firebox with little further modification. Another conversion I have thought about doing was to change the Atlantic into a 4-4-4 Suburban. These were popular commuter engines as they were "tank" types which did not require turning at the end of the run. A fuel bunker/water tank would have to be built onto the back of the cab and the four wheel truck mounted underneath. Electrical pick up would be a problem, since old Flyer drew current from the tender trucks. Two solutions come to mind: One would be to use the trailing truck and pilot trucks to pick up power. A second solution would be to have a trailing passenger car wired to the loco with a sub-miniture electronics plug. This car would pick up the juice and pass it to the engine. Just some thoughts from the twisted mind of a Mad Butcher of helpless junk box locos! Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64615	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: SP full domes

Lee, I missed this email until after I sent a response. Thanks for correcting me on the SP domes being 3/4 length cars. The website you referenced is excellent for modelers of the SP. But it mistakenly says SP had regular domes which they did not. - Earl Henry In a message dated 5/3/2011 1:44:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time, leemax@... writes: Earl and Bob in Butte, The SP dome cars were considered to be 3/4-length, not full length. Information and photos can be found at this web site: _http://www.trainweb.org/web_lurker/SPf/_ (http://www.trainweb.org/web_lurker/SPf/) Click on the photo oF a car to get a listing of photos of that particular car, and then click on the photo you are interested in seeing. Lee Johnson Walnut Creek,CA On May 2, 2011, at 8:04 PM, richs009 wrote: > Earl and Bob in Butte -- I hadn't realized SP had full-length domes. If you have a link to pictures that would be interesting to see. I know that GN and Milwaukee Rd had them. Didn't Santa Fe also have full-length domes? UP never did, I believe. Lots of 'regular' domes and dome diners on their "City of XX" trains, but not full-length as I recall. Burlington (CB&Q) also had lots of regular domes on their CA Zephyr's. I spent a lot of time in UP and CB&Q domes as a kid and college student. > > I think it also true that no "Eastern" RR's had domes of any kind (where "Eastern" is anything East of Chicago...). (??) I always thought it kind of amusing that Flyer and Lionel had Eastern RR passenger sets with domes. This sort of falls under the model makers 'artistic license', so its ok... > > Does Amtrak run dome cars at all now - aside from their high level cars, which offer a great view but the profile is still the same as their regular coaches, etc.? > > - Rich > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , tennsgauge@... wrote: > > > > SP Had some full length domes that they build in their own shops from other > > lightweight cars. I road in one of those on the Coast Starlight in 1978. > > They did not have a lower level that passengers could access so it was > > very unfriendly to passengers with handicaps that limited climbing stairs. > > But the dome area was very nice. > > > > An interesting thing about these SP domes is that they were introduced > > while SP was still using steam to pull the Dayiight trains. There are quite a > > few photos of these domes in trains being pulled by 4449 and other GS > > steam locomotives. > > > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/2/2011 11:38:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > danceswithwolves49@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > Is that a GN or Milwaukee car? Correct me if wrong but I believe they were > > the only railroads to use those full length domes. > > Bob in Butte > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64616	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full domes

Rich, Untrue......B&O ran domes east of Chicago! I rode the Columbian in 1956, a Chicago/Washington DC train, and had a fantastic view from a dome car. Gary Chudzinski >Re: NYC full domes Posted by: "richs009" richs009@... richs009 Mon May 2, 2011 8:44 pm (PDT) ..........I think it also true that no "Eastern" RR's had domes of any kind (where "Eastern" is anything East of Chicago...). (??) I always thought it kind of amusing that Flyer and Lionel had Eastern RR passenger sets with domes. This sort of falls under the model makers 'artistic license', so its ok... - Rich [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64617	From: Gary Chudzinski	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: S scale SAL B7 boxcar now a reality ... HO coming first

Jim, Where might one find pictures of subject boxcar? Couldn't find any on your website. Gary Chudzinski >S scale SAL B7 boxcar now a reality ... HO coming first Posted by: "SMMW" jimking3@... smokymtn28805 Mon May 2, 2011 3:53 pm (PDT) Thanks to a final push from folks following my recent email "status report", I'm pleased to announce that I've reached the "magic number" to make the SAL B7 "turtleback" boxcar a "done deal" in S scale. I will be emailing all who have unpaid reservations shortly . it's time to ante-up to make your reservation a firm order. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64618	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: DOMES OF EASTERN RRs plus SP domes :(was NYC full domes)

Try this link to see a photo of an SP full-length dome: _http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?june99/06-22-99/spdome10.jpg_ (http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?june99/06-22-99/spdome10.jpg) . Seeing this photo, I am reminded that the dome did not go all the way to the one end of the car. And SP never owned any standard dome cars as represented in the Flyonel set of 1984 or thereabouts. (If Yahoo strips the link, send me an email directly and I will resend the link.) Here is some information about dome cars of EASTERN RAILROADS:. B&O had three dome cars, Moonlight Dome, Starlight Dome, and Sunlight Dome. My Wayner book says one was for SHENANDOAH and two were for CAPITOL LIMITED. These were Pullman cars. The Wayner book also lists cars High Dome, and Sky Dome, as Strata-Dome chair cars built for the COLUMBIAN trains. I never had noticed these until just now. Seaboard Coast Line purchased Moonlight Dome, Starlight Dome, and Sunlight Dome from the B&O in 1969 and were assigned to Richmond-Miami service on the FLORIDA SPECIAL. These cars were subsequently operated by Amtrak though I have no details other than that at least one of these ran on the FLORIDIAN at one time. Wabash had several domes built for the Chicago-St. Louis BLUEBIRD. Some of these cars later were used on the CITY OF ST. LOUIS in joint service with Union Pacific. I think they got relettered to Norfolk & Western for this service but I am not sure,. Two of these domes were sold to Central of Georgia and then were used by the Southern in the 1970s. I road in them on the SOUTHERN CRESCENT and on some steam excursions. Of course C&O ordered several domes for its still-born CHESSIE train. I do not think any of the domes ever operated on C&O. Some were sold to the D&RGW for use on the ROYAL GORGE. IC operated both domed coaches and sleepers in the 1960s. Most were acquired or leased from MP but NP sleepers were leased for the winter months and actually repainted each season for IC and then painted back to NP colors for the summer months. And NP domed sleepers were leased for the Chicago-Miami SOUTHWIND during winter months over PRR, L&N, ACL, FEC, but in the NP 2-tone green paint. Auto-train had full length and standard length dome cars in their consists. They may have had the most domes ever seen in a regularly scheduled train. I got to see these regularly here in Nashville. There may have been other domes in the east but these are the ones I know about. There are more legitimate modeling options for domes than one might suspect. I have the American Models dome cars in the IC paint scheme. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 5/2/2011 10:44:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, richs009@... writes: Earl and Bob in Butte -- I hadn't realized SP had full-length domes. If you have a link to pictures that would be interesting to see. I know that GN and Milwaukee Rd had them. Didn't Santa Fe also have full-length domes? UP never did, I believe. Lots of 'regular' domes and dome diners on their "City of XX" trains, but not full-length as I recall. Burlington (CB&Q) also had lots of regular domes on their CA Zephyr's. I spent a lot of time in UP and CB&Q domes as a kid and college student. I think it also true that no "Eastern" RR's had domes of any kind (where "Eastern" is anything East of Chicago...). (??) I always thought it kind of amusing that Flyer and Lionel had Eastern RR passenger sets with domes. This sort of falls under the model makers 'artistic license', so its ok... Does Amtrak run dome cars at all now - aside from their high level cars, which offer a great view but the profile is still the same as their regular coaches, etc.? - Rich --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , tennsgauge@... wrote: > > SP Had some full length domes that they build in their own shops from other > lightweight cars. I road in one of those on the Coast Starlight in 1978. > They did not have a lower level that passengers could access so it was > very unfriendly to passengers with handicaps that limited climbing stairs. > But the dome area was very nice. > > An interesting thing about these SP domes is that they were introduced > while SP was still using steam to pull the Dayiight trains. There are quite a > few photos of these domes in trains being pulled by 4449 and other GS > steam locomotives. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > > > In a message dated 5/2/2011 11:38:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > danceswithwolves49@... writes: > > > > > > Bob, > Is that a GN or Milwaukee car? Correct me if wrong but I believe they were > the only railroads to use those full length domes. > Bob in Butte > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64619	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: amazing

This group really amazes me. Now we have a bunch of "DOME SNOBS". I happen to like my D & R G W dome even if it never existed. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64620	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: amazing (Dome Snobs)

Bob Hogan has built an entire California Zephyr consist using American Models full length bodies with car sides and roofs from Bob McCarthy's kits. And I hear that there are several other S guys ordering kits for this train. These are scalers but there is no reason this cannot be done with highrail wheels. So if you love your AF full length dome, you will really love these other cars. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 5/3/2011 10:38:00 A.M. Central Daylight Time, nowofinance@... writes: This group really amazes me. Now we have a bunch of "DOME SNOBS". I happen to like my D & R G W dome even if it never existed. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64621	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: amazing

Just remember.... Save the serious business for serious business! "They're TOYS, BOYs!" Have fun! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Nowosielski" <nowofinance@...> To: "s-trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2011 9:16:43 AM Subject: [S-Trains] amazing This group really amazes me. Now we have a bunch of "DOME SNOBS". I happen to like my D & R G W dome even if it never existed. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64622	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full domes (and D&H)

I forgot about the D&H. Perfect for S modeling with PAs providing the power. Here is a video of Stan Stokrocki's D&H passenger train in S scale, including a dome. . _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bvkF75Y2fQ&feature=related_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bvkF75Y2fQ&feature=related) - Earl Henry In a message dated 5/3/2011 1:43:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, canambob91710k@... writes: I could swear I've seen pictures of a dome car on the Delaware & Hudson Bob Sent from my iPod On May 2, 2011, at 11:04 PM, "richs009" <_richs009@..._ (mailto:richs009@...) > wrote: > Earl and Bob in Butte -- I hadn't realized SP had full-length domes. If you have a link to pictures that would be interesting to see. I know that GN and Milwaukee Rd had them. Didn't Santa Fe also have full-length domes? UP never did, I believe. Lots of 'regular' domes and dome diners on their "City of XX" trains, but not full-length as I recall. Burlington (CB&Q) also had lots of regular domes on their CA Zephyr's. I spent a lot of time in UP and CB&Q domes as a kid and college student. > > I think it also true that no "Eastern" RR's had domes of any kind (where "Eastern" is anything East of Chicago...). (??) I always thought it kind of amusing that Flyer and Lionel had Eastern RR passenger sets with domes. This sort of falls under the model makers 'artistic license', so its ok... > > Does Amtrak run dome cars at all now - aside from their high level cars, which offer a great view but the profile is still the same as their regular coaches, etc.? > > - Rich > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , tennsgauge@... wrote: > > > > SP Had some full length domes that they build in their own shops from other > > lightweight cars. I road in one of those on the Coast Starlight in 1978. > > They did not have a lower level that passengers could access so it was > > very unfriendly to passengers with handicaps that limited climbing stairs. > > But the dome area was very nice. > > > > An interesting thing about these SP domes is that they were introduced > > while SP was still using steam to pull the Dayiight trains. There are quite a > > few photos of these domes in trains being pulled by 4449 and other GS > > steam locomotives. > > > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/2/2011 11:38:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > danceswithwolves49@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > Is that a GN or Milwaukee car? Correct me if wrong but I believe they were > > the only railroads to use those full length domes. > > Bob in Butte > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64623	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Fw: AF scales the height of realism

This came to me from a good O gauge friend back on April 8. Mike From: Joseph Lechner Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 6:10 PM To: 'Michael and Linda Marmer' ; 'Michael & Linda Marmer' Subject: AF scales the height of realism Lionel LLC announces the arrival of a fluted stainless-steel full-length vista dome car in New York Central two-tone lightning-stripe livery. The model is designed for S gauge 2-rail operation with American Flyer-style couplers. The New York Central NEVER operated vista-dome cars. They could not possibly have cleared the Park Avenue tunnel into Grand Central Terminal. Neither would a dome have cleared most of the bridges and underpasses on NYC’s water level route between New York and Chicago. This two-tone gray and white-striped scheme was used on Twentieth Century Limited cars, but those cars were smooth-sided, not fluted. Fluted passenger cars were left in an unpainted stainless-steel finish on the NYC, as they were on nearly all railroads that bought stainless-steel cars from Budd. Joseph H. Lechner, Ph.D. Professor of Chemistry Mount Vernon Nazarene University 800 Martinsburg Road Mount Vernon, OH 43050 [740] 397-9000 ext 3211 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64624	From: Brady	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Dimestore Dreams (was Re: Neon Sign)

<< Very Nice! What kind of vehicles are the taxis in front of the train station? >> Albert, As Scott said, they're Dimestore Dreams. There was another brand called American Dimestore, I think they came after Dimestore Dreams. Looks like they used some of the same tooling but with shorter, rounder hoods. American Dimestore produced a nice milk delivery truck and an ice cream truck similar to the old Good Humor trucks. I think it was a repro or re-issue of a vintage toy ice cream truck. Both brands are perfect with Plasticville. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64625	From: Al Baker	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: AM 4-8-4 Northern Questions

I just bought a new AM Sante Fe Northern. I like it and it works fine, except the electrical plug from the tender to loco, keeps coming out. I can not keep it in. I tried bending the wires, and slightly bending on prong of the loco plug. Still bad. Never had the problem with my Lehigh Valley one. I notice the wires are quite stiff - one both. Anyone else have this trouble??? (I also emailed AM, will see if they have solution) Also, AM of course recommends their smoke fluid only. Anyone tried the other brands like A-Normal-1, etc?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64626	From: Brady	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Dimestore Dreams (was Re: Neon Sign)

<< The Taxi Cabs are Dimestore Dreams cars. I just bought the remaining inventory the company had from 2000 including the prototypes. Scott >> Scott, Do you have any plans for the inventory? Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64627	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: "S"tuff "S"till for "S"ale

Gentlemen.. The Don Seeburger estate is now all sold out except for the following three items. At this point, we'd like to ask you to contact Eileen Seeburger to discuss your best offer that cannot be refused. Eileen will most likely accept the highest offer received before May 15th at 12:00 midnight. Eileen can be reached at: emseeb@... or 1-925-831-1938 (California time). This is your last and final chance for a real steal deal. Go ahead and take advantage of the poor widow. It is OK. You have permission. Good luck. #1 PBL/Milestone Models, SP combine #16, pre-1946 era, #401, factory paint sunburn red with interior & lighting. Retailed at $475. (Sn3) #16 PBL/Milestone Models/Boo Rim SP 4-6-0 #8 Foreground Model Retailed at $1,395. (Sn3) #37 River Raisin Models/Boo Rim, C&O H-4 2-6-6-2 #1332, factory paint. Retailed at $2,500. (S) Thanks...Ed Loizeaux [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64628	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome

Hi Jerry, Those cars look great. I agree about the lack of need to match prototype consists. My railroad and my collection are mine. If I want an item that is inspired by the colors and styles of a prototype, that should be OK with me and with anyone else. I pointed out to a guy some years back that even the best-looking and carefully researched model is still made with materials that are far thicker than the originals. He did not like that argument, but I find it compelling. There are an must be some compromises, so, why not go for what makes us happy? I'm looking forward to the GN train. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 7:54 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NYC full dome The full domes are kind of nice, despite the lack of interior detail. I believe MR and GN both had full domes, in addition to others. The NYC domes are to compliment a previous set of cars that Lionel made for Flyer. The trouble is, Lionel didn't make any passenger cars for either MR or GN. But if anybody wants to see what they might look like, go to the album labeled "Jerry's Trains" and look at the last two photos. I took two brand new Santa Fe cars and immediately disassembled them and threw the shells in paint stripper, then proceeded to paint them in MR colors to match an already painted train I did a few years ago. I ran the train at the S Spree last weekend. Even if it wasn't completely "correct", it looked pretty good. After all, they're all toys in the end, aren't they? Oh, and by the way, a GN passenger train is in the planning stages.... Jerry Poniatowski Bashing and Painting in Wayne, MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64629	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: More Atlantic modifications?

Mel Nielson at BALLSTON Locomotive Works has done many of these, _copymel@..._ (mailto:copymel@...) PVMR runs a Camelback he did, he had a suburban at York this spring. Jim Lyle In a message dated 5/3/2011 9:04:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mrstumpy@... writes: Since the Flyer Atlantics are so plentiful and cheap, they are perfect engine to modify and can be found in less than pristine condition or even junk boxes at many shows. One thing that has always bugged me was the Wooten firebox. This was designed to burn the slower burning "hard" coal of the region and was very wide, often having two firebox doors side by side so that the fireman could cover the entire grate area. This originally limited the use of a trailing truck unless the firebox sat rather high on the engine frame. This firebox also gave rise to the "Camelback" or "Mother Hubbard" style locomotives with the cab astride the top of the boiler and the fireboy working off the tender deck at the back. The Reading was perhaps the biggest user of this type, with Central of New Jersey also owning many of them. However, if you're not a fan of those roads, you would probably want to depict a more standard firebox on your Atlantic. For this, I would start with a plastic shell and do some serious surgery to cut or grind away much of the lower firebox area. New lower firebox areas could then be replaced with sheet plastic and detailing from there. If you want a Pennsy look with Belpre firebox, some build up atop the firebox area with plastic and some putty will be needed. If you're doing the Hiawatha, the shrouding could cover the Wooten firebox with little further modification. Another conversion I have thought about doing was to change the Atlantic into a 4-4-4 Suburban. These were popular commuter engines as they were "tank" types which did not require turning at the end of the run. A fuel bunker/water tank would have to be built onto the back of the cab and the four wheel truck mounted underneath. Electrical pick up would be a problem, since old Flyer drew current from the tender trucks. Two solutions come to mind: One would be to use the trailing truck and pilot trucks to pick up power. A second solution would be to have a trailing passenger car wired to the loco with a sub-miniture electronics plug. This car would pick up the juice and pass it to the engine. Just some thoughts from the twisted mind of a Mad Butcher of helpless junk box locos! Stumpy in Appalachia ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64630	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: SP full domes

this link has been either taken down, or eliminated, as it is an '404 ERROR" On May 3, 2011, at 6:24 AM, tennsgauge@... wrote: > Lee, I missed this email until after I sent a response. > > Thanks for correcting me on the SP domes being 3/4 length cars. > > The website you referenced is excellent for modelers of the SP. But it > mistakenly says SP had regular domes which they did not. > > - Earl Henry > > > In a message dated 5/3/2011 1:44:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > leemax@... writes: > > Earl and Bob in Butte, > > The SP dome cars were considered to be 3/4-length, not full length. > Information and photos can be found at this web site: > _http://www.trainweb.org/web_lurker/SPf/_ (http://www.trainweb.org/ > web_lurker/SPf/) > > Click on the photo oF a car to get a listing of photos of that > particular > car, and then click on the photo you are interested in seeing. > > Lee Johnson > Walnut Creek,CA > > On May 2, 2011, at 8:04 PM, richs009 wrote: > > > Earl and Bob in Butte -- I hadn't realized SP had full-length > domes. If > you have a link to pictures that would be interesting to see. I > know that > GN and Milwaukee Rd had them. Didn't Santa Fe also have full-length > domes? > UP never did, I believe. Lots of 'regular' domes and dome diners on > their > "City of XX" trains, but not full-length as I recall. Burlington > (CB&Q) also > had lots of regular domes on their CA Zephyr's. I spent a lot of > time in UP > and CB&Q domes as a kid and college student. > > > > I think it also true that no "Eastern" RR's had domes of any kind > (where > "Eastern" is anything East of Chicago...). (??) I always thought it > kind > of amusing that Flyer and Lionel had Eastern RR passenger sets with > domes. > This sort of falls under the model makers 'artistic license', so > its ok... > > > > Does Amtrak run dome cars at all now - aside from their high > level cars, > which offer a great view but the profile is still the same as their > regular coaches, etc.? > > > > - Rich > > > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S- > Trains@yahoogroups.com) , > tennsgauge@... wrote: > > > > > > SP Had some full length domes that they build in their own > shops from > other > > > lightweight cars. I road in one of those on the Coast Starlight in > 1978. > > > They did not have a lower level that passengers could access so > it was > > > very unfriendly to passengers with handicaps that limited climbing > stairs. > > > But the dome area was very nice. > > > > > > An interesting thing about these SP domes is that they were > introduced > > > while SP was still using steam to pull the Dayiight trains. > There are > quite a > > > few photos of these domes in trains being pulled by 4449 and > other GS > > > steam locomotives. > > > > > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/2/2011 11:38:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > > danceswithwolves49@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > > Is that a GN or Milwaukee car? Correct me if wrong but I > believe they > were > > > the only railroads to use those full length domes. > > > Bob in Butte > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64631	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: DOMES OF EASTERN RRs plus SP domes :(was NYC full domes)

the link address is incorrecct, as it leads you to an intro page, which then leads youyo a master index, sorted by month/year, not subject On May 3, 2011, at 6:20 AM, tennsgauge@... wrote: > Try this link to see a photo of an SP full-length dome: > _http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?june99/06-22-99/spdome10.jpg_ > (http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?june99/06-22-99/ > spdome10.jpg) . Seeing > this photo, I am reminded that the dome did not go all the way to > the one > end of the car. And SP never owned any standard dome cars as > represented in > the Flyonel set of 1984 or thereabouts. (If Yahoo strips the link, > send me > an email directly and I will resend the link.) > > Here is some information about dome cars of EASTERN RAILROADS:. > > B&O had three dome cars, Moonlight Dome, Starlight Dome, and Sunlight > Dome. My Wayner book says one was for SHENANDOAH and two were for > CAPITOL > LIMITED. These were Pullman cars. The Wayner book also lists cars > High Dome, > and Sky Dome, as Strata-Dome chair cars built for the COLUMBIAN > trains. I > never had noticed these until just now. > > Seaboard Coast Line purchased Moonlight Dome, Starlight Dome, and > Sunlight > Dome from the B&O in 1969 and were assigned to Richmond-Miami > service on > the FLORIDA SPECIAL. These cars were subsequently operated by > Amtrak though > I have no details other than that at least one of these ran on the > FLORIDIAN at one time. > > Wabash had several domes built for the Chicago-St. Louis BLUEBIRD. > Some > of these cars later were used on the CITY OF ST. LOUIS in joint > service with > Union Pacific. I think they got relettered to Norfolk & Western for > this > service but I am not sure,. Two of these domes were sold to Central of > Georgia and then were used by the Southern in the 1970s. I road in > them on the > SOUTHERN CRESCENT and on some steam excursions. > > Of course C&O ordered several domes for its still-born CHESSIE > train. I > do not think any of the domes ever operated on C&O. Some were sold > to the > D&RGW for use on the ROYAL GORGE. > > IC operated both domed coaches and sleepers in the 1960s. Most were > acquired or leased from MP but NP sleepers were leased for the > winter months and > actually repainted each season for IC and then painted back to NP > colors > for the summer months. And NP domed sleepers were leased for the > Chicago-Miami SOUTHWIND during winter months over PRR, L&N, ACL, > FEC, but in the NP > 2-tone green paint. > > Auto-train had full length and standard length dome cars in their > consists. They may have had the most domes ever seen in a regularly > scheduled > train. I got to see these regularly here in Nashville. > > There may have been other domes in the east but these are the ones > I know > about. There are more legitimate modeling options for domes than > one might > suspect. I have the American Models dome cars in the IC paint scheme. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > > > In a message dated 5/2/2011 10:44:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > richs009@... writes: > > Earl and Bob in Butte -- I hadn't realized SP had full-length > domes. If you > have a link to pictures that would be interesting to see. I know > that GN > and Milwaukee Rd had them. Didn't Santa Fe also have full-length > domes? UP > never did, I believe. Lots of 'regular' domes and dome diners on > their "City > of XX" trains, but not full-length as I recall. Burlington (CB&Q) > also had > lots of regular domes on their CA Zephyr's. I spent a lot of time > in UP > and CB&Q domes as a kid and college student. > > I think it also true that no "Eastern" RR's had domes of any kind > (where > "Eastern" is anything East of Chicago...). (??) I always thought it > kind of > amusing that Flyer and Lionel had Eastern RR passenger sets with > domes. > This sort of falls under the model makers 'artistic license', so > its ok... > > Does Amtrak run dome cars at all now - aside from their high level > cars, > which offer a great view but the profile is still the same as their > regular > coaches, etc.? > > - Rich > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , > tennsgauge@... wrote: > > > > SP Had some full length domes that they build in their own shops > from > other > > lightweight cars. I road in one of those on the Coast Starlight > in 1978. > > They did not have a lower level that passengers could access so > it was > > very unfriendly to passengers with handicaps that limited climbing > stairs. > > But the dome area was very nice. > > > > An interesting thing about these SP domes is that they were > introduced > > while SP was still using steam to pull the Dayiight trains. There > are > quite a > > few photos of these domes in trains being pulled by 4449 and > other GS > > steam locomotives. > > > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/2/2011 11:38:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > danceswithwolves49@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > Is that a GN or Milwaukee car? Correct me if wrong but I believe > they > were > > the only railroads to use those full length domes. > > Bob in Butte > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64632	From: Scott Freeman	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: Dimestore Dreams (was Re: Neon Sign)

That is correct. American Dimestore was produced in 2005. I also got a fair amount of them as well. When I get done going through every thing I plan on selling the inventory & What proto types & color samples that I do not have. I also got all the original art work that was used to produce the boxes & to promote the cars at the new york toy fair in 2000. I am also planning on building flat cars with auto loads on them using many of the cars that I got with out boxes. Scott ________________________________ From: Brady <brady@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 1:12:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Dimestore Dreams (was Re: Neon Sign)   << Very Nice! What kind of vehicles are the taxis in front of the train station? >> Albert, As Scott said, they're Dimestore Dreams. There was another brand called American Dimestore, I think they came after Dimestore Dreams. Looks like they used some of the same tooling but with shorter, rounder hoods. American Dimestore produced a nice milk delivery truck and an ice cream truck similar to the old Good Humor trucks. I think it was a repro or re-issue of a vintage toy ice cream truck. Both brands are perfect with Plasticville. Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64633	From: rick gough	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: Bullfrog Snot

I recently used BS on several vintage steamers and it definitely works and seems to hold up well. One weird experience has been with a couple of the steamers which have had it applied to both front and rear drivers, there is a tendency to pull the front drivers over the rails on certain curves, esp one coming off the tressle. I can't figure that one out as other steamers work just fine with all drivers treated. Diesels love it ... even applied over old hard pull-mor's. I do wonder what it's shelf life is; if it will still be liquid when time comes to reapply? rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64634	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: D&RGW

Me, too, Jack.  And I got the UP full dome, too, because those are the two sets I have.  (After all the NYC discussion, I'm glad I don't have that set!)  And I'm going to order the SP, too.  Prototypical or not, I like them.  And the Collector's Creed says you have to own the complete sets. I've received the D&RGW Alcos, baggage car, and full dome, but the 3-car set hasn't arrived yet; has anybody else gotten them yet?  I haven't seen anybody mention the D&RGW equipment; are Jack and I the only ones that ordered them? --- On Tue, 5/3/11, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote: From: Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> Subject: [S-Trains] amazing To: "s-trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 8:16 AM   This group really amazes me. Now we have a bunch of "DOME SNOBS". I happen to like my D & R G W dome even if it never existed. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64635	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: The Milwaukee Road

You are correct. I can remember seeing the Milwaukee Great domes when I was a kid. I didn't see the GN great Domes until the advent of Amtrak in 1970 when trains wore every color then known on passenger equipment. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: t.hawley@... Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 00:02:09 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] The Milwaukee Road ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry . . . . . . . . .. I believe MR and GN both had full domes, . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's something about the Milwaukee Road's cars. http://milwaukeeroadarchives.com/AnnualReports/SuperDomeArticleRailwayAge12081952.pdf It's a big file, be patient. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64636	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full domes

I don't recall seeing any pics of domes of any type on the D&H but just cause I haven't seen any pics doesn't mean they never had any domes. I also think that the SP had some great domes. It seems to me that back in the late 60's there was a company called MHP owned and operated by a Mr Wright who had prototype specific passenger cars in HO. I know that he had several variations of the SP articulated passenger cars and I believe he had a great dome that could be built as Milwaukee, GN or SP. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: canambob91710k@... Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 00:12:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NYC full domes I could swear I've seen pictures of a dome car on the Delaware & Hudson Bob Sent from my iPod On May 2, 2011, at 11:04 PM, "richs009" <richs009@...> wrote: > Earl and Bob in Butte -- I hadn't realized SP had full-length domes. If you have a link to pictures that would be interesting to see. I know that GN and Milwaukee Rd had them. Didn't Santa Fe also have full-length domes? UP never did, I believe. Lots of 'regular' domes and dome diners on their "City of XX" trains, but not full-length as I recall. Burlington (CB&Q) also had lots of regular domes on their CA Zephyr's. I spent a lot of time in UP and CB&Q domes as a kid and college student. > > I think it also true that no "Eastern" RR's had domes of any kind (where "Eastern" is anything East of Chicago...). (??) I always thought it kind of amusing that Flyer and Lionel had Eastern RR passenger sets with domes. This sort of falls under the model makers 'artistic license', so its ok... > > Does Amtrak run dome cars at all now - aside from their high level cars, which offer a great view but the profile is still the same as their regular coaches, etc.? > > - Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > > > SP Had some full length domes that they build in their own shops from other > > lightweight cars. I road in one of those on the Coast Starlight in 1978. > > They did not have a lower level that passengers could access so it was > > very unfriendly to passengers with handicaps that limited climbing stairs. > > But the dome area was very nice. > > > > An interesting thing about these SP domes is that they were introduced > > while SP was still using steam to pull the Dayiight trains. There are quite a > > few photos of these domes in trains being pulled by 4449 and other GS > > steam locomotives. > > > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/2/2011 11:38:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > danceswithwolves49@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > Is that a GN or Milwaukee car? Correct me if wrong but I believe they were > > the only railroads to use those full length domes. > > Bob in Butte > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64637	From: Ben Perry	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full domes

Yes you did. The D&H leased one when they oerated PA's on the day train. For the past several autumns, Amtk has been opeating a full length one beween Albany and Montreal. Ben Perry -----Original Message----- From: Bob Hendrickson Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2011 12:12 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NYC full domes I could swear I've seen pictures of a dome car on the Delaware & Hudson Bob Sent from my iPod On May 2, 2011, at 11:04 PM, "richs009" <richs009@...> wrote: > Earl and Bob in Butte -- I hadn't realized SP had full-length domes. If you have a link to pictures that would be interesting to see. I know that GN and Milwaukee Rd had them. Didn't Santa Fe also have full-length domes? UP never did, I believe. Lots of 'regular' domes and dome diners on their "City of XX" trains, but not full-length as I recall. Burlington (CB&Q) also had lots of regular domes on their CA Zephyr's. I spent a lot of time in UP and CB&Q domes as a kid and college student. > > I think it also true that no "Eastern" RR's had domes of any kind (where "Eastern" is anything East of Chicago...). (??) I always thought it kind of amusing that Flyer and Lionel had Eastern RR passenger sets with domes. This sort of falls under the model makers 'artistic license', so its ok... > > Does Amtrak run dome cars at all now - aside from their high level cars, which offer a great view but the profile is still the same as their regular coaches, etc.? > > - Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > > > SP Had some full length domes that they build in their own shops from other > > lightweight cars. I road in one of those on the Coast Starlight in 1978. > > They did not have a lower level that passengers could access so it was > > very unfriendly to passengers with handicaps that limited climbing stairs. > > But the dome area was very nice. > > > > An interesting thing about these SP domes is that they were introduced > > while SP was still using steam to pull the Dayiight trains. There are quite a > > few photos of these domes in trains being pulled by 4449 and other GS > > steam locomotives. > > > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/2/2011 11:38:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > danceswithwolves49@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > Is that a GN or Milwaukee car? Correct me if wrong but I believe they were > > the only railroads to use those full length domes. > > Bob in Butte > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64638	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: Dimestore Dreams (was Re: Neon Sign)

I have several Prototypes including the handmade display counter box.... I had a few up a couple of weeks ago on ebay.... Will prob list more as I find them..... Bob Conner --- On Tue, 5/3/11, Brady <brady@...> wrote: From: Brady <brady@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Dimestore Dreams (was Re: Neon Sign) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2011, 1:15 PM   << The Taxi Cabs are Dimestore Dreams cars. I just bought the remaining inventory the company had from 2000 including the prototypes. Scott >> Scott, Do you have any plans for the inventory? Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64639	From: Jerry	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: AM 4-8-4 Northern Questions

Al, Try Super Smoke. I think that's what they package with their loco's. I've been using it in my AM Northern, it works w=quite well! Jerry Poniatowski Personally, a non-smoker for 37 years ;>) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote: > > Also, AM of course recommends their smoke fluid only. Anyone tried the other brands like A-Normal-1, etc? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64640	From: Jerry	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome

Hi Bill, Thanks! I also agree with you in that since it's my railroad, I can run it any way I want. I have a wide range of interests in S, but the bottom line is that If I like it, I'll buy it, bash it, or build it. And if I have it, I'll run it. After all is said and done, if it isn't a revenue producing train, it's a toy. Should I duck now? ;>) Jerry PS For a look at what else besides AF interests me, look in my folder again. The last photos are of a model I made a few years ago... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Hi Jerry, > > Those cars look great. > > I agree about the lack of need to match prototype consists. My railroad > and my collection are mine. If I want an item that is inspired by the > colors and styles of a prototype, that should be OK with me and with > anyone else. I pointed out to a guy some years back that even the > best-looking and carefully researched model is still made with materials > that are far thicker than the originals. He did not like that argument, > but I find it compelling. There are an must be some compromises, so, why > not go for what makes us happy? > > I'm looking forward to the GN train. > > Bill > > Reply from Bill Porter > South Florida >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64641	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: SP full domes

It must have just happened because I got into it and opened the pages for each one of those domes that SP was involved with but never operated. - Earl Henry In a message dated 5/3/2011 9:32:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, leemax@... writes: this link has been either taken down, or eliminated, as it is an '404 ERROR" On May 3, 2011, at 6:24 AM, _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) wrote: > Lee, I missed this email until after I sent a response. > > Thanks for correcting me on the SP domes being 3/4 length cars. > > The website you referenced is excellent for modelers of the SP. But it > mistakenly says SP had regular domes which they did not. > > - Earl Henry > > > In a message dated 5/3/2011 1:44:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > _leemax@..._ (mailto:leemax@...) writes: > > Earl and Bob in Butte, > > The SP dome cars were considered to be 3/4-length, not full length. > Information and photos can be found at this web site: > __http://www.trainweb.org/web_lurker/SPf/__ (http://www.trainweb.org/web_lurker/SPf/_) (_http://www.trainweb.org/_ (http://www.trainweb.org/) > web_lurker/SPf/) > > Click on the photo oF a car to get a listing of photos of that > particular > car, and then click on the photo you are interested in seeing. > > Lee Johnson > Walnut Creek,CA > > On May 2, 2011, at 8:04 PM, richs009 wrote: > > > Earl and Bob in Butte -- I hadn't realized SP had full-length > domes. If > you have a link to pictures that would be interesting to see. I > know that > GN and Milwaukee Rd had them. Didn't Santa Fe also have full-length > domes? > UP never did, I believe. Lots of 'regular' domes and dome diners on > their > "City of XX" trains, but not full-length as I recall. Burlington > (CB&Q) also > had lots of regular domes on their CA Zephyr's. I spent a lot of > time in UP > and CB&Q domes as a kid and college student. > > > > I think it also true that no "Eastern" RR's had domes of any kind > (where > "Eastern" is anything East of Chicago...). (??) I always thought it > kind > of amusing that Flyer and Lionel had Eastern RR passenger sets with > domes. > This sort of falls under the model makers 'artistic license', so > its ok... > > > > Does Amtrak run dome cars at all now - aside from their high > level cars, > which offer a great view but the profile is still the same as their > regular coaches, etc.? > > > > - Rich > > > > --- In __S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:S- > _Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) , > tennsgauge@... wrote: > > > > > > SP Had some full length domes that they build in their own > shops from > other > > > lightweight cars. I road in one of those on the Coast Starlight in > 1978. > > > They did not have a lower level that passengers could access so > it was > > > very unfriendly to passengers with handicaps that limited climbing > stairs. > > > But the dome area was very nice. > > > > > > An interesting thing about these SP domes is that they were > introduced > > > while SP was still using steam to pull the Dayiight trains. > There are > quite a > > > few photos of these domes in trains being pulled by 4449 and > other GS > > > steam locomotives. > > > > > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/2/2011 11:38:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > > danceswithwolves49@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > > Is that a GN or Milwaukee car? Correct me if wrong but I > believe they > were > > > the only railroads to use those full length domes. > > > Bob in Butte > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64642	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: DOMES OF EASTERN RRs plus SP domes

_http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?june99/06-22-99/spdome10.jpg_ (http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?june99/06-22-99/spdome10.jpg) I just tested the link that is pasted above. I also tested the link that was sent back to me below. But Yahoo returned the link twice. To make the link work, put a space immediately before the first "http". And also put a space immediately after the first "jpg". Then copy that link and put it in your browser. It will bring up a photo of one of the 3/4 length domes lettered for SP in the Daylight Scheme. - Earl Henry In a message dated 5/3/2011 9:32:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, clipper841@... writes: the link address is incorrecct, as it leads you to an intro page, which then leads youyo a master index, sorted by month/year, not subject On May 3, 2011, at 6:20 AM, _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) wrote: > Try this link to see a photo of an SP full-length dome: > __http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?june99/06-22-99/spdome10.jpg__ (http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?june99/06-22-99/spdome10.jpg_) > (_http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?june99/06-22-99/_ (http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?june99/06-22-99/) > spdome10.jpg) . Seeing > this photo, I am reminded that the dome did not go all the way to > the one > end of the car. And SP never owned any standard dome cars as > represented in > the Flyonel set of 1984 or thereabouts. (If Yahoo strips the link, > send me > an email directly and I will resend the link.) > > Here is some information about dome cars of EASTERN RAILROADS:. > > B&O had three dome cars, Moonlight Dome, Starlight Dome, and Sunlight > Dome. My Wayner book says one was for SHENANDOAH and two were for > CAPITOL > LIMITED. These were Pullman cars. The Wayner book also lists cars > High Dome, > and Sky Dome, as Strata-Dome chair cars built for the COLUMBIAN > trains. I > never had noticed these until just now. > > Seaboard Coast Line purchased Moonlight Dome, Starlight Dome, and > Sunlight > Dome from the B&O in 1969 and were assigned to Richmond-Miami > service on > the FLORIDA SPECIAL. These cars were subsequently operated by > Amtrak though > I have no details other than that at least one of these ran on the > FLORIDIAN at one time. > > Wabash had several domes built for the Chicago-St. Louis BLUEBIRD. > Some > of these cars later were used on the CITY OF ST. LOUIS in joint > service with > Union Pacific. I think they got relettered to Norfolk & Western for > this > service but I am not sure,. Two of these domes were sold to Central of > Georgia and then were used by the Southern in the 1970s. I road in > them on the > SOUTHERN CRESCENT and on some steam excursions. > > Of course C&O ordered several domes for its still-born CHESSIE > train. I > do not think any of the domes ever operated on C&O. Some were sold > to the > D&RGW for use on the ROYAL GORGE. > > IC operated both domed coaches and sleepers in the 1960s. Most were > acquired or leased from MP but NP sleepers were leased for the > winter months and > actually repainted each season for IC and then painted back to NP > colors > for the summer months. And NP domed sleepers were leased for the > Chicago-Miami SOUTHWIND during winter months over PRR, L&N, ACL, > FEC, but in the NP > 2-tone green paint. > > Auto-train had full length and standard length dome cars in their > consists. They may have had the most domes ever seen in a regularly > scheduled > train. I got to see these regularly here in Nashville. > > There may have been other domes in the east but these are the ones > I know > about. There are more legitimate modeling options for domes than > one might > suspect. I have the American Models dome cars in the IC paint scheme. > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > > > In a message dated 5/2/2011 10:44:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > _richs009@..._ (mailto:richs009@...) writes: > > Earl and Bob in Butte -- I hadn't realized SP had full-length > domes. If you > have a link to pictures that would be interesting to see. I know > that GN > and Milwaukee Rd had them. Didn't Santa Fe also have full-length > domes? UP > never did, I believe. Lots of 'regular' domes and dome diners on > their "City > of XX" trains, but not full-length as I recall. Burlington (CB&Q) > also had > lots of regular domes on their CA Zephyr's. I spent a lot of time > in UP > and CB&Q domes as a kid and college student. > > I think it also true that no "Eastern" RR's had domes of any kind > (where > "Eastern" is anything East of Chicago...). (??) I always thought it > kind of > amusing that Flyer and Lionel had Eastern RR passenger sets with > domes. > This sort of falls under the model makers 'artistic license', so > its ok... > > Does Amtrak run dome cars at all now - aside from their high level > cars, > which offer a great view but the profile is still the same as their > regular > coaches, etc.? > > - Rich > > --- In __S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) _ (mailto:_S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) ) , > tennsgauge@... wrote: > > > > SP Had some full length domes that they build in their own shops > from > other > > lightweight cars. I road in one of those on the Coast Starlight > in 1978. > > They did not have a lower level that passengers could access so > it was > > very unfriendly to passengers with handicaps that limited climbing > stairs. > > But the dome area was very nice. > > > > An interesting thing about these SP domes is that they were > introduced > > while SP was still using steam to pull the Dayiight trains. There > are > quite a > > few photos of these domes in trains being pulled by 4449 and > other GS > > steam locomotives. > > > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/2/2011 11:38:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > danceswithwolves49@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > Is that a GN or Milwaukee car? Correct me if wrong but I believe > they > were > > the only railroads to use those full length domes. > > Bob in Butte > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64643	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome

No reason to duck cause it is your railroad and as long as you enjoy it, keep at it. I guess it would be pretty dull if we all liked exactly the same thing, and there would be no reason to see anyone else's railroad. - Earl Henry ============================= In a message dated 5/3/2011 9:34:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, poniaj@... writes: Hi Bill, Thanks! I also agree with you in that since it's my railroad, I can run it any way I want. I have a wide range of interests in S, but the bottom line is that If I like it, I'll buy it, bash it, or build it. And if I have it, I'll run it. After all is said and done, if it isn't a revenue producing train, it's a toy. Should I duck now? ;>) Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64644	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome

That is some lovely work. It would have looks real nice running down out of Detroit towards Toledo under those huge, concrete catenary supports. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:53 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NYC full dome Hi Bill, Thanks! I also agree with you in that since it's my railroad, I can run it any way I want. I have a wide range of interests in S, but the bottom line is that If I like it, I'll buy it, bash it, or build it. And if I have it, I'll run it. After all is said and done, if it isn't a revenue producing train, it's a toy. Should I duck now? ;>) Jerry PS For a look at what else besides AF interests me, look in my folder again. The last photos are of a model I made a few years ago...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64645	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: AM 4-8-4 Northern Questions

Al, Contact me off list. Mike _Anormal1@..._ (mailto:Anormal1@...) In a message dated 5/3/2011 7:34:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, poniaj@... writes: Al, Try Super Smoke. I think that's what they package with their loco's. I've been using it in my AM Northern, it works w=quite well! Jerry Poniatowski Personally, a non-smoker for 37 years ;>) --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote: > > Also, AM of course recommends their smoke fluid only. Anyone tried the other brands like A-Normal-1, etc? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64646	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 5/3/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome

Jerry, The late Linn Westcott when he was editor of Model Railroader told me one time it's your railroad run whatever spins your drivers. If you want a set of PA's on the Northcoast Limited go for it. Flyer did lol. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: poniaj@... Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 22:52:44 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NYC full dome Hi Bill, Thanks! I also agree with you in that since it's my railroad, I can run it any way I want. I have a wide range of interests in S, but the bottom line is that If I like it, I'll buy it, bash it, or build it. And if I have it, I'll run it. After all is said and done, if it isn't a revenue producing train, it's a toy. Should I duck now? ;>) Jerry PS For a look at what else besides AF interests me, look in my folder again. The last photos are of a model I made a few years ago... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Hi Jerry, > > Those cars look great. > > I agree about the lack of need to match prototype consists. My railroad > and my collection are mine. If I want an item that is inspired by the > colors and styles of a prototype, that should be OK with me and with > anyone else. I pointed out to a guy some years back that even the > best-looking and carefully researched model is still made with materials > that are far thicker than the originals. He did not like that argument, > but I find it compelling. There are an must be some compromises, so, why > not go for what makes us happy? > > I'm looking forward to the GN train. > > Bill > > Reply from Bill Porter > South Florida > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64647	From: rapidrail1	Date: 5/4/2011
Subject: Re: More Atlantic modifications?

About a year ago I installed a Gilbert Atlantic power chassis in an Atlas 3/16 scale atlantic shell. At that time Atlas would sell the shell separate, about $15 I think. The Atlas shell is die cast metal and is easily installed on the Gilbert chassis. I still used a Gilbert tender so no problem there. Photos are in my photo album in this group, I think. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Since the Flyer Atlantics are so plentiful and cheap, they are perfect engine to modify and can be found in less than pristine condition or even junk boxes at many shows. > One thing that has always bugged me was the Wooten firebox. This was designed to burn the slower burning "hard" coal of the region and was very wide, often having two firebox doors side by side so that the fireman could cover the entire grate area. This originally limited the use of a trailing truck unless the firebox sat rather high on the engine frame. This firebox also gave rise to the "Camelback" or "Mother Hubbard" style locomotives with the cab astride the top of the boiler and the fireboy working off the tender deck at the back. > The Reading was perhaps the biggest user of this type, with Central of New Jersey also owning many of them. > However, if you're not a fan of those roads, you would probably want to depict a more standard firebox on your Atlantic. For this, I would start with a plastic shell and do some serious surgery to cut or grind away much of the lower firebox area. New lower firebox areas could then be replaced with sheet plastic and detailing from there. If you want a Pennsy look with Belpre firebox, some build up atop the firebox area with plastic and some putty will be needed. > If you're doing the Hiawatha, the shrouding could cover the Wooten firebox with little further modification. > Another conversion I have thought about doing was to change the Atlantic into a 4-4-4 Suburban. These were popular commuter engines as they were "tank" types which did not require turning at the end of the run. A fuel bunker/water tank would have to be built onto the back of the cab and the four wheel truck mounted underneath. > Electrical pick up would be a problem, since old Flyer drew current from the tender trucks. Two solutions come to mind: One would be to use the trailing truck and pilot trucks to pick up power. A second solution would be to have a trailing passenger car wired to the loco with a sub-miniture electronics plug. This car would pick up the juice and pass it to the engine. > Just some thoughts from the twisted mind of a Mad Butcher of helpless junk box locos! > Stumpy in Appalachia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64648	From: richs009	Date: 5/4/2011
Subject: Amazing domes

I second the observation that the participants on this site are pretty amazing in their collective knowledge. For those of you keeping score at home, here's a link to Wikipedia, that lays out a lot of similar info on dome cars, including the fact that B&O did have dome cars and that the Pere Marquette was the first eastern RR to run them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dome_car - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64649	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 5/4/2011
Subject: Re: More Atlantic modifications?

I too have done an Atlas Atlantic. Fun project. Details here: http://www.tuveson.com/atlas-atlantic/atlas-atlantic.htm Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of rapidrail1 Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:09 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: More Atlantic modifications? About a year ago I installed a Gilbert Atlantic power chassis in an Atlas 3/16 scale atlantic shell. At that time Atlas would sell the shell separate, about $15 I think. The Atlas shell is die cast metal and is easily installed on the Gilbert chassis. I still used a Gilbert tender so no problem there. Photos are in my photo album in this group, I think. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64650	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/4/2011
Subject: AF Lionel Items

I have some AF Lionel items that I am selling for $20 each plus postage. The cars are new never run, only to be taken out of the box and put on my shelves for my AF collection, as the collection is protected from dust. So no dust on the cars. I would say these are mint, but I was told I can not say that once taken out of the box. So new in box. They are back in the plastic bag they came in and in the box. Only one car had a new coupler put on by a Lionel Service center, as it would not stay closed. There is a rivet that was used to hold it on, but it is professionally done and you can not really see it. The rivet was put in through the top of the truck, that would be the UP Hopper. I am selling these as I need the shelve space for AF. 48622 Burlington Hopper 48619 UP Hopper 48310 MKT Box D&H Covered Hopper 48609 AC Gilbert Box 48318 Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64651	From: SMMW	Date: 5/4/2011
Subject: GE 44-tonner progress; last chance to order

I just emailed a CAD “screen shot” of the 44-tonner design progress to all who have prepaid. I expect to have everything ready to go to patterning late next week. The Phase IV body is done; underframe is about ½ finished mainly due to having to fit the trucks and motor mount to the design. Once this version is designed, the Phase I will be wrapped up in short order. We’re in the last hour to get an order in for these engines. I will only produce what has been prepaid so far and dealer order. If you’re just now hearing about these engines, that’s OK .. there is still time but only until mid-May. After that, I will only have enough machined AF-compatible wheelsets and mechanisms on hand to complete the production run. They will not be rerun. Both body styles will be produced as a 1-pc urethane body with a preassembled Athearn mechanism (including regauged wheels), cast resin truck sideframes, clear urethane window and headlight inserts, Kadee couplers, wire for the grabs/railings with forming jigs. Each version is also available with AF-compatible wheelsets. Both will be prewired for DC only but since the frame is urethane, it’s insulated, making DCC installation much easier than with standard diesels. If you purchased a GE 70-tonner or H10-44, you already have a good idea of what to expect. The “scale” version is $325; the “AF” version is $345. USPS Priority shipping is $15 for 1-2 engines, $20 for 3-4. Contact me off-list with questions, to order, etc. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. Ph. (828) 777-5619 <www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64652	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 5/4/2011
Subject: "S"acaramento Genuine AF Layout

Gentlemen.. I have just learned that the National Train Show (across the street from the NASG/NMRA joint convention) will have on display a genuine A.C.Gilbert department store layout which was designed and built in the 1950's. Yes, Gilbert's Art Department constructed this layout specifically for Sibley's Department Store in Rochester, NY. And the gentleman who currently owns the layout is bringing it to "S"acramento for our viewing pleasure. So let us not hear any more comments about how there is not much AF at this convention and train show. We are doing our best and expect everyone to go home train-saturated and happy. Two hotels are already sold out and a third hotel is now accepting reservations. Come join us. More detailed information about this layout will be forthcoming shortly. "S"tay tuned to this station... Thanks..Ed Loizeaux [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64653	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/4/2011
Subject: Re: AF Lionel Items

Cars are sold. Thanks. Mike From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 2:16 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AF Lionel Items I have some AF Lionel items that I am selling for $20 each plus postage. The cars are new never run, only to be taken out of the box and put on my shelves for my AF collection, as the collection is protected from dust. So no dust on the cars. I would say these are mint, but I was told I can not say that once taken out of the box. So new in box. They are back in the plastic bag they came in and in the box. Only one car had a new coupler put on by a Lionel Service center, as it would not stay closed. There is a rivet that was used to hold it on, but it is professionally done and you can not really see it. The rivet was put in through the top of the truck, that would be the UP Hopper. I am selling these as I need the shelve space for AF. 48622 Burlington Hopper 48619 UP Hopper 48310 MKT Box D&H Covered Hopper 48609 AC Gilbert Box 48318 Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64654	From: Scott	Date: 5/4/2011
Subject: Rumor Control

Hey, A lot of rumors have been spreading around lately in the Florida area that Showcase is closing down. I have had several people come to me and ask what is going on and I have to say that I really do not know. I know there were production issues a couple of months back, but I did not think that closed the company down. I was hoping I could gather some more information from the community about all of this and be able to pass it on to the Florida S Gauge community. Thanks for your time. Scott Miller Technician and Electrician for the S-Modulators

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64655	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/4/2011
Subject: Re: Rumor Control

Don Thompson will perhaps chime in. But last I heard, SHS was not selling through dealers, only direct to us. They and AM are still looking for a manufacturer, but first order of business is to retrieve the molds, etc. As I understand it. Roy From: Scott <scottmmiller1@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 19:54:42 +0000 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Rumor Control Hey, A lot of rumors have been spreading around lately in the Florida area that Showcase is closing down. I have had several people come to me and ask what is going on and I have to say that I really do not know. I know there were production issues a couple of months back, but I did not think that closed the company down. I was hoping I could gather some more information from the community about all of this and be able to pass it on to the Florida S Gauge community. Thanks for your time. Scott Miller Technician and Electrician for the S-Modulators [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64656	From: Jerry	Date: 5/4/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome

Hey Bill, If you remember those concrete cantenary supports, you must have seen them when you lived in Michigan. They're still there is a lot of places. Too hard to take down, I suppose. Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Porter" <wpporter@...> wrote: > > That is some lovely work. It would have looks real nice running down out > of Detroit towards Toledo under those huge, concrete catenary supports. > > Bill > > Reply from Bill Porter > South Florida >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64657	From: tbennerohio	Date: 5/4/2011
Subject: AM PA-1 coupler repair

I just got a new AM PA-1 ABA set at the S Spree. It has been around a while but is new. The bonus is that it is stamped "made in the USA" on the bottom. The problem is that the coupler mounting tongue on the rear truck of the second A unit is cracked. Does anyone have experience repairing one of these? Or any ideas? The average JB Weld repair will likely not work as the part will be under tension. The AB set runs and sounds great but I would surely like to see the full set in all of it's glory! Thanks, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64658	From: don@showcaseline.com	Date: 5/4/2011
Subject: Re: Status report on SHS

Dear Roy and Scott,    We temporarily suspended dealer sales in September once we realized that Kader was not going to change their mind regarding our future production with Sanda Kan.  What inventory we had on hand, was all that we were going to have to sell in the near future.  Our mission changed from promotion to quite frankly survival.  Like just about all businesses, we had felt the recession and were able to cope with that challenge, but once our supply was cut off, it was obvious what we had to do.  Right now we are trying to raise funds by selling off samples and other items to try to get our molds moved.  But first, we have to have our remaining purchase order filled as well as move existing inventory that is stored in China.  But, we need to have all of these commitments paid in full before they move our molds.     As far as finding another builder, we have been contacted by several US companies with factories in China as well as several factories in China that have hired ex-Sanda Kan engineers.  So, we do not think that is a problem.   Robin and I are back today from visiting our son who is deployed to Hawaii.  Tomorrow I will pick up our latest shipment from Sanda Kan which includes manual and remote control switches.  Yes, they finally agreed to retest them so we would accept this shipment. Best regards, Don     On May 4, 2011 at 9:15 PM Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > Don Thompson will perhaps chime in. > But last I heard, SHS was not selling through dealers, only direct to us. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64659	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/4/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full dome

Right on all counts. If I ever string overhead wires, that is the way I would do it. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 8:51 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NYC full dome Hey Bill, If you remember those concrete cantenary supports, you must have seen them when you lived in Michigan. They're still there is a lot of places. Too hard to take down, I suppose. Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64660	From: Grumpy	Date: 5/5/2011
Subject: Decal sale ALL DECALS ARE NOW 50% OFF TILL JUNE 11 2011 -- Tom St

Decal sale ALL DECALS ARE NOW 50% OFF TILL JUNE 11 2011 -- Tom Stolte owner of Oddballs Decals No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by avast.com http://oddballsdecals.org My prototype photos http://oddballsdecals.rrpicturearchives.net/ my photos of the Missouri Pacific http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ aka Grumpy, one of the seven Dwarfs only taller :-) only 7 feet tall, 213 centimeters tall or 2130 mm tall MP, CNW, MKT, KCS, DRGW, BN, RI, MILW, ATSF, SLSF and SP Forever

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64661	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/5/2011
Subject: Fw: Genuine AF Layout

From my O gauge friend who grew up in Rochester NY. Mike From: Joseph Lechner Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 10:09 AM To: 'Michael & Linda Marmer' Subject: Genuine AF Layout I frequented Sibley’s several times a year during the 1960s. It was a six-story building in the heart of downtown Rochester. Like a lot of old-school department stores, Sibley’s deliberately put the toy department on the fourth floor behind its china shop. Lots of forced sales due to rambunctious kids knocking plates off the tables in their haste to get to Santa. At Christmas time they had a train ride that wound through their back rooms which were specially scenicked for the holidays. Sibley’s had a year-round train department but I do not ever remember seeing American Flyer there, certainly not a working AF display layout. The train dept. stocked Lionel, Athearn HO, and after 1970, N gauge. It also had some “adult” HO, unpainted brass locos imported from Japan, and die-cast loco kits such as Bowser. It had a 4x8 Lionel layout which may also have had a loop of HO track. The train counter usually wasn’t staffed except during the holidays. That was good for me because you could stand and gawk at the trains without being bothered, but you had to search other depts. for a sales person if you actually wanted to buy something. Sibley’s had a large parking ramp in back, so that was usually our first destination as it was convenient to most of the downtown stores and to our family dentist. The parking was just a couple blocks from the New York Central’s passenger depot in Rochester, so I would try to persuade Mom to take the scenic route on the way home. Across Main Street from Sibley’s was Rochester’s other prestigious department store, McCurdy’s. Their toy department stocked AF until it closed circa 1965. I can remember seeing a North Coast Limited and other top of the line sets on shelves on the wall. I was there during their closeout sale but I don’t think I bought anything. Joseph H. Lechner, Ph.D. Professor of Chemistry Mount Vernon Nazarene University 800 Martinsburg Road Mount Vernon, OH 43050 [740] 397-9000 ext 3211 From: Michael & Linda Marmer [mailto:mlmarmer@...] Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 6:55 PM To: Joseph Lechner Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] "S"acaramento Genuine AF Layout Joseph, Maybe you knew of this department store? Mike From: Edward Loizeaux Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 5:21 PM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] "S"acaramento Genuine AF Layout Gentlemen.. I have just learned that the National Train Show (across the street from the NASG/NMRA joint convention) will have on display a genuine A.C.Gilbert department store layout which was designed and built in the 1950's. Yes, Gilbert's Art Department constructed this layout specifically for Sibley's Department Store in Rochester, NY. And the gentleman who currently owns the layout is bringing it to "S"acramento for our viewing pleasure. So let us not hear any more comments about how there is not much AF at this convention and train show. We are doing our best and expect everyone to go home train-saturated and happy. Two hotels are already sold out and a third hotel is now accepting reservations. Come join us. More detailed information about this layout will be forthcoming shortly. "S"tay tuned to this station... Thanks..Ed Loizeaux [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64662	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 5/5/2011
Subject: Re: NYC full domes (and D&H)

Ironically the May issue of Railroad Model Craftsman has a photo on page 62 of an Amtrak dome behind a D & H Alco. There's also a nice 16 page section on S   Bob From: "tennsgauge@..." <tennsgauge@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2011 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NYC full domes (and D&H)   I forgot about the D&H. Perfect for S modeling with PAs providing the power. Here is a video of Stan Stokrocki's D&H passenger train in S scale, including a dome. . _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bvkF75Y2fQ&feature=related_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bvkF75Y2fQ&feature=related) - Earl Henry In a message dated 5/3/2011 1:43:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, canambob91710k@... writes: I could swear I've seen pictures of a dome car on the Delaware & Hudson Bob Sent from my iPod On May 2, 2011, at 11:04 PM, "richs009" <_richs009@..._ (mailto:richs009@...) > wrote: > Earl and Bob in Butte -- I hadn't realized SP had full-length domes. If you have a link to pictures that would be interesting to see. I know that GN and Milwaukee Rd had them. Didn't Santa Fe also have full-length domes? UP never did, I believe. Lots of 'regular' domes and dome diners on their "City of XX" trains, but not full-length as I recall. Burlington (CB&Q) also had lots of regular domes on their CA Zephyr's. I spent a lot of time in UP and CB&Q domes as a kid and college student. > > I think it also true that no "Eastern" RR's had domes of any kind (where "Eastern" is anything East of Chicago...). (??) I always thought it kind of amusing that Flyer and Lionel had Eastern RR passenger sets with domes. This sort of falls under the model makers 'artistic license', so its ok... > > Does Amtrak run dome cars at all now - aside from their high level cars, which offer a great view but the profile is still the same as their regular coaches, etc.? > > - Rich > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , tennsgauge@... wrote: > > > > SP Had some full length domes that they build in their own shops from other > > lightweight cars. I road in one of those on the Coast Starlight in 1978. > > They did not have a lower level that passengers could access so it was > > very unfriendly to passengers with handicaps that limited climbing stairs. > > But the dome area was very nice. > > > > An interesting thing about these SP domes is that they were introduced > > while SP was still using steam to pull the Dayiight trains. There are quite a > > few photos of these domes in trains being pulled by 4449 and other GS > > steam locomotives. > > > > - Earl Henry, Nashville > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/2/2011 11:38:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > danceswithwolves49@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > Is that a GN or Milwaukee car? Correct me if wrong but I believe they were > > the only railroads to use those full length domes. > > Bob in Butte > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64663	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 5/6/2011
Subject: Genuine AF Display Layout at "S"acramento Convention

Gentlemen.. As promised, here are some more details regarding the AF department store display layout built in the A. C. Gilbert factory in 1950: It consists of four 4'x8' panels of marine plywood connected together with door hinges/pins. It has custom wide radius curves made from continuous AF rail with gaps only at the plywood joints. Overall size is 8'x16'. Everything on it is pure Gilbert - even the plywood is original. For more information and photos, you can look at CLASSIC TOY TRAINS, May 1998 or THE TRAIN COLLECTORS QUARTERLY, October 2007. Or, you can click here: http://www.trainweb.org/acsg/CD/CD_CB.html http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/DisplayLayouts This layout is now over 60 years old and still running strong. You can see it at the National Train Show in "S"acramento this summer while attending the NASG/NMRA joint annual convention. Come join us! Click here for more information regarding the convention: http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html And, I would urge all attendees to sign up for the Saturday night BBQ in the roundhouse of the California State Railroad Museum. It will be a most amazing evening with trains, food, music, entertainment, and the NASG announcements afterwards. Bring your wife and children. They do not have to be registered for the convention in order to attend this event. The entire family will have a memorable time and still be talking about it ten years later. Click here for details: http://www.x2011west.org/banquet.html Last but not least, you can now place an online or snail mail order for the AF-compatible convention cars. Two brand new cars never before available in S gauge. These are not mere repaints. Click here for photos and information: http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html#convcars See you in "S"acramento...Ed Loizeaux [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64664	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 5/6/2011
Subject: CORRECTION TO: Genuine AF Display Layout at "S"acramento Convention

And, I would urge all attendees to sign up for the Saturday night BBQ in the roundhouse of the California State Railroad Museum. It will be a most amazing evening with trains! , food, music, entertainment, and the NASG announcements afterwards. Bring your wife and children. They do not have to be registered for the convention in order to attend this event. The entire family will have a memorable time and still be talking about it ten years later. Click here for details: WRONG LINK: http://www.x2011west.org/banquet.html CORRECT LINK: http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html#banquet Sorry about that. Ed L. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64665	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2011
Subject: NYC Dome

Can, would anyone having the issue with the LIONEL Flyer NYC dome, please take a GOOD pic and send it LIONEL. LIONEL says their artwork, diagrams, etc do not show the issue being discussed, they want to see it. Send it to: _RCONVERY@..._ (mailto:RCONVERY@...) Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64666	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 5/6/2011
Subject: Free Web Hosting for RR Sites

If you're looking for free web hosting for a railroad-themed site, check out http://www.trainweb.org/hosthere.html It's ad sponsored but the price is right :-) Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64667	From: charlie and edith	Date: 5/6/2011
Subject: Gilbert Tender Whistle

Greetings! A discussion has ensued, about the value of the capacitor used to replace the condenser in Gilbert's "whistling tender". We have as many opinions as we have people. As we are not electrically "back-grounded", we turn to the "group" for help in resolving this question. Thanks for your thoughts! Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64668	From: Timboy	Date: 5/7/2011
Subject: My Use Of Bullfrog Snot

Hi Guys: As promised, I did a test on the use of Bullfrog Snot on my classic vintage American Flyer layout. My results can be found under, "What's New In The Past 30 Days" at: http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ Hope this is of help to others. Your results may vary. Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64669	From: Al Baker	Date: 5/7/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert Tender Whistle

In case you are not aware - capacitor and condenser are two words describing the same thing. Al Baker [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64670	From: rick gough	Date: 5/7/2011
Subject: Re: My Use Of Bullfrog Snot

You can pull a 'real' train of cars if you don't oil the track! rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64671	From: rick gough	Date: 5/7/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert Tender Whistle

Good question Charlie. Some origionals appear to have used only a 20uF while others used 100uF and you can play with 200 - 300UF for more sound. I'm trying to figure out what is best to use with the .1watt replacement speakers, with some success with a 33ohm, but still not enough sound to get out of a Northern tender where there is no room to attach a tube [which can really improve volume]. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64672	From: tbennerohio	Date: 5/7/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert Tender Whistle

Charlie, I am assuming you are talking about the air chime whistle. Per the Tom Barker book, a 35 volt 25mfd electrolytic capacitor is the recommended. Consider the 35 volt rating a minimum. In real life you will be more likely to find a 22 mfd than a 25. That would be okay. A higher mfd capacitor will allow a louder whistle at the cost of more hum and noise. A lower value will filter out more hum and noise but also quiets the whistle. Hope that helps. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64673	From: Timboy	Date: 5/7/2011
Subject: Re: My Use Of Bullfrog Snot

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rick gough <racin510@...> wrote: > > You can pull a 'real' train of cars if you don't oil the track! > > rick gough > mudshark datsun > 510 racing > Hi Rick, http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2011/05/my-use-of-oil-on-vintage-track.html Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64674	From: sscalemn	Date: 5/7/2011
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale

I decided to reduce my American Flyer collection to only a few sets of interest to me from my childhood. I have a number of AF engines I want to sell. Originally planned to take them to the S Spree but wasn't able to attend. Next choice is eBay but thought to give the folks on the list first chance. I will honor requests to purchase in order of date/time stamps on email. Shipping fees will be exact costs (no handling or package material charges) based on method chosen by purchaser. I will accept PayPal, money order or personal check (but will not ship until check clears). Send me an email with requests for pictures of the items and/or detailed explanation of condition issues. Here is what I have to sell: 282 Steam engine (VG-) $40 287 Steam engine (VG+) $40 293 Steam engine (VG-) $60 301 plastic steam engine and tender (VG) $25 21110 Steam engine (VG-) $25 21107 Steam engine (EX) $35 302 plastic steam engine and tender (VG-) $20 308 Steam engine (VG-) $25 21105 Steam engine (VG-) $20 307 Steam engine (VG) $20 350 Steam engine (wire handrails) (VG-) $70 343 Steam engine (EX) $250 K325 Steam engine (VG-) original 1952 riveted coupler $200 405 Silver Streak chromed (G) $85 360/361 original chromed PA no warbonnet (EX/G) $175 474/475 Rocket chromed (VG-/VG-) $125 370 GM GP7 (EX) $125 470 Santa Fe PA (RARE 1958 only - MOLDED STEPS) (VG-) not putting a price on this one (powered A unit only - no B or dummy A) looking for offers on this item. Items without requests to purchase by Monday, May 16 will go to eBay. Walt Jopke sscale@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64675	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 5/8/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer Trains for Sale

Hi walt, I'd like the 343 if it's still available. Thanks, Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: sscalemn Date: Saturday, May 7, 2011 10:21 pm Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer Trains for Sale To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > I decided to reduce my American Flyer collection to only a few > sets of interest to me from my childhood. I have a number of AF > engines I want to sell. Originally planned to take them to the > S Spree but wasn't able to attend. Next choice is eBay but > thought to give the folks on the list first chance. I will > honor requests to purchase in order of date/time stamps on > email. Shipping fees will be exact costs (no handling or > package material charges) based on method chosen by purchaser. > I will accept PayPal, money order or personal check (but will > not ship until check clears). Send me an email with requests > for pictures of the items and/or detailed explanation of > condition issues. Here is what I have to sell: > > 282 Steam engine (VG-) $40 > 287 Steam engine (VG+) $40 > 293 Steam engine (VG-) $60 > 301 plastic steam engine and tender (VG) $25 > 21110 Steam engine (VG-) $25 > 21107 Steam engine (EX) $35 > 302 plastic steam engine and tender (VG-) $20 > 308 Steam engine (VG-) $25 > 21105 Steam engine (VG-) $20 > 307 Steam engine (VG) $20 > 350 Steam engine (wire handrails) (VG-) $70 > 343 Steam engine (EX) $250 > K325 Steam engine (VG-) original 1952 riveted coupler $200 > 405 Silver Streak chromed (G) $85 > 360/361 original chromed PA no warbonnet (EX/G) $175 > 474/475 Rocket chromed (VG-/VG-) $125 > 370 GM GP7 (EX) $125 > 470 Santa Fe PA (RARE 1958 only - MOLDED STEPS) (VG-) not > putting a price on this one (powered A unit only - no B or dummy > A) looking for offers on this item. > > Items without requests to purchase by Monday, May 16 will go to eBay. > > Walt Jopke > sscale@... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64676	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 5/8/2011
Subject: SEEBURGER ESTATE -- thank you

Gentlemen...Everything in the Seeburger Estate has now been sold - including the layout. There is nothing left. Eileen Seeburger is one happy camper and we both would like to thank everyone who made a purchase from Don's estate. I might add, that Jace Kahn's toe is considerably deeper into S scale water as a result of Eileen's bargain pricing toward the end. Thanks to everyone. Your help is appreciated. Ed Loizeaux [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64677	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/8/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/8/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday May 8, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64678	From: John Degnan	Date: 5/8/2011
Subject: NEW NEWS : Sergent Engineering Couplers COMING VERY SOON!!!

Posted on 05/08/2011 at 10:51pm... Ok, folks... I just got this news TODAY... about 5 minutes ago to be exact, from Frank Sergent, himself. ... and I quote verbatim... "S scale couplers will probably be available this year." Apologies for all multi-list cross-posting... I just thought everyone should know. Please pass this word along to everyone you know who may be interested in them. I guess this means I gotta get back to work on my near-scale draft gear boxes... John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64679	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/8/2011
Subject: The San Diego S-Gaugers have a home!

The club has acquired a suite in the shopping center at San Diego's Liberty Station development.  The club website has been updated to show our clubhouse, including pictures and directions.  If you're in the area, let us know and we'll try to have someone there to show you around. https://sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64680	From: Eric	Date: 5/8/2011
Subject: Extra S Helper items for sale.

I have an extra Locomotive and 4 extra cars for sale. I figured I would give the people on the list a shot prior to Ebaying them. Item 1: S Helper F7A Loco in ASTF Passenger Scheme. This is a single silver and Red engine. I purchased this unit from SHS, It was one of their demo show units. As such it is painted all silver without the chrome on the sides from the production units. Otherwise it looks identical to the production units and is number 37. It is DC with scale wheels and Kadee couplers but I will include the knuckle coupler frames and screws, front coupler hole plug, and the high rail wheels. I have baseically only test run this unit since I got it about 2-3 years ago. It runs fine. I paid $299. and will let it go for $250 or an offer plus shipping and insurance. (about $12). Here is the SHS web picture. I do not have a box but have the foam insert for shipping. http://www.showcaseline.com/Archived_product_pages/images/00928.ATSF.jpg Item #2: Frisco "rebuilt" Box car Brown with Tan sides 01135 "Superior service" Car is new but not in its original box. Set up as High-rail with knuckles, and will include scale wheels. $40 or best offer plus shipping. item #3 Pair of Pennsylvania 2 bay Hoppers. slightly used in their boxes 257701 and 257781, off white color. logo in center slightly used but look near mint condition.$60 plus shipping or offer. Item #4: Pennsylvania 2 bay hopper, light gray color # 257862 logo in upper left, slightly used in its box $30 plus shipping or offer. Thanks for looking Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. "er099" on ebay for reference also a 25 year TCA mamber. Items are being sold as-is and cannot be returned. I can forward pictures of the actual items if needed. paypal or checks work. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64681	From: Dave	Date: 5/9/2011
Subject: 6 Wheel Trucks (NEW)

Coming soon to our line up of parts will be a 6 wheel truck that fits the standard pre-1966 A&P tenders. For much too long kit bashers and other operators have been looking for a modified 6 wheel truck for their A&P tenders and other uses. This should be arriving sometime in the latter part of May or at the latest by the first part of June. Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64682	From: John Metzger	Date: 5/9/2011
Subject: Re: 6 Wheel Trucks (NEW)

How about 6 wheeled heavy weight passenger trucks? I have a complete ste of  fall s fest passenger cars still in the boxes because there are no truck for them. Thanks, John. ________________________________ From: Dave <lbrenterprisesllc@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 7:52:45 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 6 Wheel Trucks (NEW)   Coming soon to our line up of parts will be a 6 wheel truck that fits the standard pre-1966 A&P tenders. For much too long kit bashers and other operators have been looking for a modified 6 wheel truck for their A&P tenders and other uses. This should be arriving sometime in the latter part of May or at the latest by the first part of June. Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64683	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 5/9/2011
Subject: Re: 6 Wheel Trucks (NEW)

John,      That is one of the NEW products coming up later this year. We are going to modify it a little but it will look almost the same especially from the sides. What do you think?      Take care. Dave --- On Mon, 5/9/11, John Metzger <johnm_63379@...> wrote: From: John Metzger <johnm_63379@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 6 Wheel Trucks (NEW) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 9, 2011, 10:35 AM   How about 6 wheeled heavy weight passenger trucks? I have a complete ste of  fall s fest passenger cars still in the boxes because there are no truck for them. Thanks, John. ________________________________ From: Dave <lbrenterprisesllc@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 7:52:45 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 6 Wheel Trucks (NEW)   Coming soon to our line up of parts will be a 6 wheel truck that fits the standard pre-1966 A&P tenders. For much too long kit bashers and other operators have been looking for a modified 6 wheel truck for their A&P tenders and other uses. This should be arriving sometime in the latter part of May or at the latest by the first part of June. Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64684	From: Walter Jopke	Date: 5/9/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer Trains for Sale

All of the American Flyer train engines I offered have been sold. Thanks to all who responded to my Ad. Walt Jopke [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64685	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/9/2011
Subject: Re: This week at SHS....Blatant ......

This week at SHS…I picked up our latest shipment from Hong Kong last week. We again have our #3 manual switches. We also received a limited number of remote control switches. They finally agreed to retest these before we would accept another shipment. We still have the bulk of remote control switches in Hong Kong and should be getting more in the next few weeks. These can be ordered online at: http://showcaseline.com/track/SwitchesSect.html Open House… This years SHS Open House will be one day only, Friday June 3rd from 11 AM to 5 PM. As usual, we will be offering some great specials! Robin will be running the famous scratch & dent sale, Don will be on hand to answer questions, Mike will be manning the barbecue grill. Please make plans to attend one or both days to meet the SHS crew, and find some bargains. It is a free and fun day out! We even erect tents in case of rain. Directions can be found on our home page. 2010 Christmas Car – It is now obvious to both Mike and I that Sanda Kan will not be making our Beth. steel 2 bay open top hoppers. We received the final operating sample for the hoppers with a very cryptic note about the painted samples for all the other roadnames. It was not until after Chinese New Year before they made clear that our next builder would be making these cars for us. We thought this meant that they would release the tooling for this one car as the moldings had been paid in full in December. But, that is not the case. I guess this will be our first project with our new builder (who we have not chosen…). Starter Set Sale… We have had many requests for starter sets over the last year, but have not been able to fill as we have sold out of our 20” radius curved track. Robin felt it was time to offer our sets without track and transformer (this is a first for us…). We are now shipping 4, 5 or 6 car switcher starter sets in our set boxes. These can be purchased without track or transformer. We do have an option to include the ART-5400 AC/DC transformers we have used in the past. These are priced to sell with the 4 car set almost 40% off of the MSRP for individually priced items. Check our sets out at: http://showcaseline.com/track/SwitchesSect.html DCC Upgrades…Bill Moitz is still busy this DCC upgrades of our past products. We can install DCC Tsunami sound decoders in our classic SW9 switchers. We add a 1.1” high base sell baffled speaker. This fits perfectly and it is as loud as our F units. Although installing DCC sound in our SW1s is possible, we are unable to do this because of the time needed to fit the baffle for the speaker. But, we are more than happy to help with information on how we did our own SW1s. 2-8-0 Status Update…We have sold out of code 110 2-8-0 steam engines. We still have a few of the AF comp. with several roadnames and roadnumbers being sold out. We do have the DCC Tsunami sound version back in stock Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64686	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Re: 6 Wheel Trucks (NEW)

<<<How about 6 wheeled heavy weight passenger trucks? I have a complete ste of fall s fest passenger cars still in the boxes because there are no truck for them. Thanks, John.>>> We have exact reproductions of these KC trucks. Have had them available for years. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com www.flyerparts.com <http://www.flyerparts.com/> www.sgaugetrains.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64687	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: This week at SHS....Blatant ......

Correct link for the Set Sale... Don http://showcaseline.com/SelectASetSale.html PS Thank you Mike A.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64688	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Steam Turbine-Electric

I happened to run across an article (in a March 1948 issue of Popular Mechanics), that I thought might be of interest. http://books.google.com/books?id=5dgDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA207&pg=PA107#v=onepage&q&f=false Jerry F. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64689	From: mikenguy9	Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: American Flyer instruction book missplaced

How do I set up for the 714 mail pick up car? How do I test the car to make sure the arm is working? I tried one wire to the wheel and one wire to the arm that sticks out of the wheel trucks and nothing. could it have been a bad connection from the transformer?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64690	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer instruction book missplaced

Hi Mike, All action cars hook up the same way. A Mail Car is either a 718 or a 918. A 714 is a Log Dump car. Hook Up from track to transformer. One wire from pick up Rail (3rd rail) on track to one connection on the control button. The other wire connection on the control button to the 15 Volt post on the transformer. If you want to test the car without the track connection. Touch one wire from the base post on the transformer to the metal wheels on the car and touch the other wire from the 15 Volt transformer post to the pick up shoe that extends through the action car truck. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 8:24:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer instruction book missplaced How do I set up for the 714 mail pick up car? How do I test the car to make sure the arm is working? I tried one wire to the wheel and one wire to the arm that sticks out of the wheel trucks and nothing. could it have been a bad connection from the transformer? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64691	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Re;Steam Turbine Electric

Gerald thanks for the interesting look back. Here's some more info: The Pennsy's effort to use a turbine was by direct drive and came before the war. When it failed, C&O and N&W began planning locomotives using traction motors. The #500 was one of three steam turbines with traction motors Chessie built. Norfolk & Western built one, known as the "Jawn Henry," which looked much different, but had a similar internal layout with coal bunker forward. As the article says, these were attempts by coal hauling roads to stick with their biggest customers of the day. The N&W engine was slated for heavy freight service, but ended up as a helper, staying close to servicing areas. The original plan was for these C&O turbines to pull an "ultra modern" coast to coast passenger train that also didn't work out and the order for the cars was cancelled after production was already going. Unfortunately, while steam turbines work very well in ships (in fact nuclear powered ones are used in submarines and other US Navy ships) they didn't work out on the railroads. Throttle response was much too slow on the mountainous C&O and N&W roads, and fly ash from the burning coal got into circuitry and traction motors as well as wearing the blades in the draft blower motor. The streamlined shroud on the C&O engines was also used on a few regular steamers as well, but here as well, there were problems. Typical of most streamlined locos, the shrouding got in the way of shop crews and the brilliant yellow paint showed soot badly. One streamlined engine went to the B&O Museum, but like the Pennsy and N&W turbines the others were scrapped. Interestingly, South African Railways tried turbine equipped locmotives in the sixties, along with condensor tenders which saved water across desert runs by turning used steam back into water for the boiler to use again. Despite losses, enough water was returned to the tender to extend range more than double between water stops. But once again, fly ash got into the machinery and by the early seventies only two remained in limited service on special tourist trains. These attempts to use coal was differed from the 1939 ALCO turbine project which used electricity from an overhead catenary to "flash" steam in a special B&W boiler for the turbine to use. Later, some of what was learned went into the "Bunker C" oil fired Union Pacific turbines in the fifties and sixties. Turbines were of brief interest in the auto industry as well. Chrysler sent 12 years trying to make it work, but also gave up because of throttle lag and technical problems. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64692	From: rgeorge942	Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Lionel catalog S gauge NP "Pig Palace" cattle car

Lionel catalog S gauge NP "Pig Palace" cattle car is sitting on a postwar 'linker' chassis and trucks with a photo-shopped knuckle coupler. Very interesting!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64693	From: Bob Groh	Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Re: Re;Steam Turbine Electric

Wonderful bit of history - many thanks for an interesting read. Bob Groh Blue Springs, Missouri [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64694	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Re: Extra S Helper items for sale.

Eric, If still available...I can offer $75.00 plus shipping for Items 3 and 4. Let me know. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric" <ericrhere@...> To: s-scale@yahoogroups.com, S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 8, 2011 8:45:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Extra S Helper items for sale. I have an extra Locomotive and 4 extra cars for sale. I figured I would give the people on the list a shot prior to Ebaying them. Item 1: S Helper F7A Loco in ASTF Passenger Scheme. This is a single silver and Red engine. I purchased this unit from SHS, It was one of their demo show units. As such it is painted all silver without the chrome on the sides from the production units. Otherwise it looks identical to the production units and is number 37. It is DC with scale wheels and Kadee couplers but I will include the knuckle coupler frames and screws, front coupler hole plug, and the high rail wheels. I have baseically only test run this unit since I got it about 2-3 years ago. It runs fine. I paid $299. and will let it go for $250 or an offer plus shipping and insurance. (about $12). Here is the SHS web picture. I do not have a box but have the foam insert for shipping. http://www.showcaseline.com/Archived_product_pages/images/00928.ATSF.jpg Item #2: Frisco "rebuilt" Box car Brown with Tan sides 01135 "Superior service" Car is new but not in its original box. Set up as High-rail with knuckles, and will include scale wheels. $40 or best offer plus shipping. item #3 Pair of Pennsylvania 2 bay Hoppers. slightly used in their boxes 257701 and 257781, off white color. logo in center slightly used but look near mint condition.$60 plus shipping or offer. Item #4: Pennsylvania 2 bay hopper, light gray color # 257862 logo in upper left, slightly used in its box $30 plus shipping or offer. Thanks for looking Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. "er099" on ebay for reference also a 25 year TCA mamber. Items are being sold as-is and cannot be returned. I can forward pictures of the actual items if needed. paypal or checks work. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64695	From: Robert Graves	Date: 5/10/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer instruction book missplaced

You have two questions there.  Tom answered the first - hooking it up, but I would like to clarify/amplify Tom's answer.  The pickup rail must be on the left side of the track because of the way the arm comes out of the mail car. Connect the fixed 16/18 volt post of the transformer to the button and the button to the pickup rail.  The metal wheels of the car must ride on the rail that is connected to the base post of the transformer; if they're on the wrong rail, either reverse them or switch the connections from the transformer to the track terminal. As for testing it, you did it correctly (unless you connected the transformer to a plastic wheel!).  Either you had a bad connection to the transformer as you speculated, or there is a bad connection inside the car, or the solenoid is burned out.  Or perhaps you used the wrong posts of the transformer: use the base post and the fixed 16/18 volt post. --- On Tue, 5/10/11, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer instruction book missplaced To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2011, 5:24 PM   How do I set up for the 714 mail pick up car? How do I test the car to make sure the arm is working? I tried one wire to the wheel and one wire to the arm that sticks out of the wheel trucks and nothing. could it have been a bad connection from the transformer? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64696	From: Eric	Date: 5/11/2011
Subject: Re: Extra S Helper items for sale.

Mark: done.3 hopper, $75. Paypal works as previous. Eric On May 10, 2011 10:08 PM, <Manderman@...> wrote: > Eric, > > If still available...I can offer $75.00 plus shipping for Items 3 and 4. > > Let me know. > > Mark > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric" <ericrhere@...> > To: s-scale@yahoogroups.com, S-trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, May 8, 2011 8:45:59 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Extra S Helper items for sale. > > > > > > > I have an extra Locomotive and 4 extra cars for sale. I figured I would > give the people on the list a shot prior to Ebaying them. > > Item 1: S Helper F7A Loco in ASTF Passenger Scheme. This is a > single silver and Red engine. I purchased this unit from SHS, It was one > of their demo show units. As such it is painted all silver without the > chrome on the sides from the production units. Otherwise it looks identical > to the production units and is number 37. It is DC with scale wheels and > Kadee couplers but I will include the knuckle coupler frames and screws, > front coupler hole plug, and the high rail wheels. I have baseically only > test run this unit since I got it about 2-3 years ago. It runs fine. I > paid $299. and will let it go for $250 or an offer plus shipping and > insurance. (about $12). Here is the SHS web picture. I do not have a box > but have the foam insert for shipping. > http://www.showcaseline.com/Archived_product_pages/images/00928.ATSF.jpg > > Item #2: Frisco "rebuilt" Box car Brown with Tan sides 01135 "Superior > service" Car is new but not in its original box. Set up as High-rail with > knuckles, and will include scale wheels. $40 or best offer plus shipping. > > item #3 Pair of Pennsylvania 2 bay Hoppers. slightly used in their boxes > 257701 and 257781, off white color. logo in center slightly used but look > near mint condition.$60 plus shipping or offer. > > Item #4: Pennsylvania 2 bay hopper, light gray color # 257862 logo in > upper left, slightly used in its box $30 plus shipping or offer. > > Thanks for looking > > Eric Reis > Kenmore, Wa. > "er099" on ebay for reference also a 25 year TCA mamber. > > Items are being sold as-is and cannot be returned. I can forward pictures > of the actual items if needed. paypal or checks work. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64697	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/11/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer instruction book missplaced

Hi Robert, You are correct. The action car pick up rail must be attached to the same track rail as base post on the 690 track terminal. Metal wheels should be on the opposite track rail. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 12:51:49 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flyer instruction book missplaced You have two questions there. Tom answered the first - hooking it up, but I would like to clarify/amplify Tom's answer. The pickup rail must be on the left side of the track because of the way the arm comes out of the mail car. Connect the fixed 16/18 volt post of the transformer to the button and the button to the pickup rail. The metal wheels of the car must ride on the rail that is connected to the base post of the transformer; if they're on the wrong rail, either reverse them or switch the connections from the transformer to the track terminal. As for testing it, you did it correctly (unless you connected the transformer to a plastic wheel!). Either you had a bad connection to the transformer as you speculated, or there is a bad connection inside the car, or the solenoid is burned out. Or perhaps you used the wrong posts of the transformer: use the base post and the fixed 16/18 volt post. --- On Tue, 5/10/11, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer instruction book missplaced To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2011, 5:24 PM How do I set up for the 714 mail pick up car? How do I test the car to make sure the arm is working? I tried one wire to the wheel and one wire to the arm that sticks out of the wheel trucks and nothing. could it have been a bad connection from the transformer? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64698	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 5/11/2011
Subject: Nose decals

Does anyone know of a source for the Santa Fe nose decals like on a 484? I bought one from LBR and the colors are not even close. Ron Plyler

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64699	From: Dave	Date: 5/11/2011
Subject: Re: Nose decals

Ron, We have refunded your $2.50 payment for the Nose decals. Please keep them. Sorry they didn't work for you. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ron_tallyho" <ron_tallyho@...> wrote: > > Does anyone know of a source for the Santa Fe nose decals like on a 484? > I bought one from LBR and the colors are not even close. Ron Plyler >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64700	From: ron plyler	Date: 5/11/2011
Subject: Re: Nose decals

I talked with Dave aware of the problem and said they will try and make a new one. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64701	From: Frank	Date: 5/11/2011
Subject: Re: Nose decals

I would try www.portlines.com. Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2011, at 1:06 PM, ron plyler <ron_tallyho@...> wrote: > I talked with Dave aware of the problem and said they will try and make a new one. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64702	From: Dave	Date: 5/11/2011
Subject: PM Trucks Repair/Convert

ARRIVING IN JUNE 2011 We will be offering a fitting to repair & convert your PIKE MASTER trucks to knuckle couplers. Now you will be able to use all of those old pike master trucks that you thought were worthless. AF had a great idea with the design except for the coupling system. Now you can have a great looking truck with the standard operating knuckle coupler installed. Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64703	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/11/2011
Subject: >>Note<< New project announcement!

All, On the heels of my successful Reading Passenger Car roof project, I am announcing my next project. This will had a much broader appeal than the specialty Reading roofs. In the same vein of the roofs, this will be a non-stocking project. I am pretty much ordering to be made what is ordered from me. With that said this project is a full go as soon as I reach my minimum order quantity - which I already have **much of it fulfilled** with the first order. In short, this will go a lot faster than the roof project if all goes well. I am ready to roll here. Notably missing from the S world are nice LCL containers for gondolas and possibly flat car loads. I am about to fix that. http://www.lanestrains.com/S_Scale_Container.jpg It measures 1.5" high x 1.3" wide x .75" deep. The master was made by Stan Furmanak. 2 containers can easily sit side by side in an American Models Gondola. This is an excellent way to add weight to your light cars as a load and fill a LCL transfer yard at the same time. For the Slobbering Pennsy Freaks you could have something like this http://www.lanestrains.com/G22.jpg - if we only had a G22! They will be solid urethane and unpainted. The actual color they will be is not known to me at this time. The lifting hooks on top will be repaired before getting cast. I can guarantee a flat bottom - essentially they will be ready to paint and use as received from me. I am selling them at $40.00 each for a set of 10 containers plus the shipping carrier of your choice. That is the way I would really prefer to sell them as it keeps things simple. >>Please reply directly with your interest or questions.<< Payment in full in advice will be due as soon as the minimum has been met - which could be pretty soon. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: <http://www.lanestrains.com/> http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Custom Train Parts Design <http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm> http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) <http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls> http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! <http://www.prrths.com/> http://www.prrths.com <http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf> http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! <http://www.prslhs.com/> http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64704	From: Al	Date: 5/11/2011
Subject: Sound Activation using a battery?

Has anyone considered or investigated the possibility of using an ordinary 1 1/2 volt battery connected in somehow, to activate the sound on Railsounds and AM sound systems? Al Baker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64705	From: richs009	Date: 5/11/2011
Subject: Re: Steam Turbine-Electric

Jerry -- thanks for the link to the old article. Reads like a press release which turned out to be much too optimistic. Stumpy has some valuable insights too (as usual). Here's a link to another source of info - with some nice pictures of these turbines, along with a lot of other "exotic" steam engines. Many of the railroads can't be faulted for not trying out new ideas, even if the economics (and thermodynamics in some cases) didn't work out in the end... http://www.aqpl43.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/locoloco.htm - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald Feldman" <gfeldman2904@...> wrote: > > I happened to run across an article (in a March 1948 issue of Popular > Mechanics), that I thought might be of interest. > > http://books.google.com/books?id=5dgDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA207&pg=PA107#v=onepage&q&f=false > > > Jerry F. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64706	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/12/2011
Subject: eBay item

http://cgi.ebay.com/AMERICAN-FLYER-49625-BAKELITE-FREIGHT-2-PAK-/110686786144?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item19c5725260 EBay item, but he or she shows just a picture of the item in a Lionel Catalog. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64707	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/12/2011
Subject: Re: >>Note<< New project announcement!

Bill, put me down to order one of these sets. Will this be enough to fill one gondola car ? I will send check when you notify us it is ready. Ship the cheapest way possible. - Earl Henry In a message dated 5/11/2011 3:53:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, bill@... writes: All, On the heels of my successful Reading Passenger Car roof project, I am announcing my next project. This will had a much broader appeal than the specialty Reading roofs. In the same vein of the roofs, this will be a non-stocking project. I am pretty much ordering to be made what is ordered from me. With that said this project is a full go as soon as I reach my minimum order quantity - which I already have **much of it fulfilled** with the first order. In short, this will go a lot faster than the roof project if all goes well. I am ready to roll here. Notably missing from the S world are nice LCL containers for gondolas and possibly flat car loads. I am about to fix that. _http://www.lanestrains.com/S_Scale_Container.jpg_ (http://www.lanestrains.com/S_Scale_Container.jpg) It measures 1.5" high x 1.3" wide x .75" deep. The master was made by Stan Furmanak. 2 containers can easily sit side by side in an American Models Gondola. This is an excellent way to add weight to your light cars as a load and fill a LCL transfer yard at the same time. For the Slobbering Pennsy Freaks you could have something like this _http://www.lanestrains.com/G22.jpg_ (http://www.lanestrains.com/G22.jpg) - if we only had a G22! They will be solid urethane and unpainted. The actual color they will be is not known to me at this time. The lifting hooks on top will be repaired before getting cast. I can guarantee a flat bottom - essentially they will be ready to paint and use as received from me. I am selling them at $40.00 each for a set of 10 containers plus the shipping carrier of your choice. That is the way I would really prefer to sell them as it keeps things simple. >>Please reply directly with your interest or questions.<< Payment in full in advice will be due as soon as the minimum has been met - which could be pretty soon. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: <_http://www.lanestrains.com/_ (http://www.lanestrains.com/) > _http://www.lanestrains.com_ (http://www.lanestrains.com/) Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Custom Train Parts Design <_http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm_ (http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm) > _http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm_ (http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm) PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) <_http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls_ (http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls) > _http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls_ (http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls) ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! <_http://www.prrths.com/_ (http://www.prrths.com/) > _http://www.prrths.com_ (http://www.prrths.com/) <_http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf_ (http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf) > _http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf_ (http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf) Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! <_http://www.prslhs.com/_ (http://www.prslhs.com/) > _http://www.prslhs.com_ (http://www.prslhs.com/) Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64708	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/12/2011
Subject: Re; Steam Turbine Locomotives

Rich, thanks for posting the link to the "Loco Locomotives" website. Somewhere along the line during the computer change-over here, I lost this one! Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64709	From: Dave	Date: 5/12/2011
Subject: 6 Wheel Truck Update

We have another modification to our proposed 6 wheel truck. These trucks will have the option of being used either under the A&P tenders or under the Hudson & Northern tenders as there will be a threaded mounting hole for either style of tender chassis which allows for a mounting screw and nut instead of a rivet. A real boon for the kit bashing community. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64710	From: hjsheffield	Date: 5/12/2011
Subject: Cars for sale

Howdy everyone I have some AF style flat cars with trailers that were offered a while back by Port Lines Hobbies. Bakers chocolate B&M Illinois Central 2 versions SP 2 versions BN All of these cars are offered at $32.95. They were originally $38.95 Shipping is not included and will be figured to your address. Please contact me off list only. I have pictures if desired. Howard Sheffield Howard S Trains 707 961-0186 hjsheff@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64711	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/12/2011
Subject: AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!!

I know some train prices, among other things, are down..... But try coin collecting..... !!!! 142 $$$$$ for this lot?????????? Bob Conner     http://cgi.ebay.com/2007-All-8-USA-Presidential-Dollar-Bank-Wrap-UNC-Rolls-/320697893762?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item4aab158382   Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64712	From: Ray Puls	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: 6 Wheel Truck Update

Dave, Will these six wheel trucks have all wheel power pick up and be large enough to give the proper appearance under the Northern and Hudson tenders? If so put me down for at least two pair. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64713	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: And we think train prices are down

Let's see, there are $80. worth of quarters (if these are the standard $10. rolls) and some paper printed with the Presidents' names and I suppose the magic marker letters mean they're from the Philly or Denver mint. And the high bid was 142 bucks. Not being a coin collector, the bidder paid $60. too much for legal tender, and at the current rate that the Dollar is nose diving, probably way too much. Aren't "The Presidents" quarters the same silver/copper sandwhich we all know hasn't been worth 25 cents by metal content for years? (Although at the rate copper is climbing, and the dollar is fading, they may some day be worth 25 cents again!) I had slowly collected all "The States" quarters and have them in a "hanson cardboard album." It's a good thing I was told in lots of TV advertising that they were "collectable" because they're worth 25 cents each at McDonalds. (I think Cindy still has one of those "collectable" velvet "black light" Elvis posters around here too, still in the "hansom cardboard tube!") :-) On the other hand, if these were actual solid gold or silver coins, the eBay buyer got a hell of a deal! Just my five cents worth (it used to be two cents, but inflation, you know.) :-) Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64714	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!!

Coins will continue to rise, as well as things like Baseball cards, as they will have a much stronger interest, than trains in the long run. Mike From: Robert Conner Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 10:56 PM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!! I know some train prices, among other things, are down..... But try coin collecting..... !!!! 142 $$$$$ for this lot?????????? Bob Conner http://cgi.ebay.com/2007-All-8-USA-Presidential-Dollar-Bank-Wrap-UNC-Rolls-/320697893762?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item4aab158382 Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64715	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!!

Mike..... Yes but look at the picture and description..... There are 8 rolls at 25.00 each = 200.00 face value..... And they brought 142.00??????? HELLO!!!!!! GUESS OUR DOLLAR IS REALLY GOING DOWN NOW!!!!!! Bob   --- On Fri, 5/13/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 13, 2011, 8:06 AM   Coins will continue to rise, as well as things like Baseball cards, as they will have a much stronger interest, than trains in the long run. Mike From: Robert Conner Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 10:56 PM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!! I know some train prices, among other things, are down..... But try coin collecting..... !!!! 142 $$$$$ for this lot?????????? Bob Conner http://cgi.ebay.com/2007-All-8-USA-Presidential-Dollar-Bank-Wrap-UNC-Rolls-/320697893762?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item4aab158382 Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64716	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!!

Hmmm, not really scale stuff, but it is math. A roll of quarters holds 40 coins for a face value of $10 no matter what is printed on the roll. To have a face value of $25, there would need to be 100 quarters in each roll. That would be bigger than an 8000 gallon tank car. On the subject of rising values for trains versus coins, I remind myself that I bought proof sets from the mint when I had a paper route (remember them?) in the late 1950s. They are worth maybe 10% more than I paid for them after 50 years. I should have bought a couple of Northerns and 3 or 4 0-8-0 switchers instead. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Conner Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 10:24 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!! Mike..... Yes but look at the picture and description..... There are 8 rolls at 25.00 each = 200.00 face value..... And they brought 142.00??????? HELLO!!!!!! GUESS OUR DOLLAR IS REALLY GOING DOWN NOW!!!!!! Bob   --- On Fri, 5/13/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Coins will continue to rise, as well as things like Baseball cards, as they will have a much stronger interest, than trains in the long run. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64717	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!!

Bob, YOU ARE RIGHT! WOW! LOL Unbelievable. Too funny. Mike From: Robert Conner Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 10:23 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!! Mike..... Yes but look at the picture and description..... There are 8 rolls at 25.00 each = 200.00 face value..... And they brought 142.00??????? HELLO!!!!!! GUESS OUR DOLLAR IS REALLY GOING DOWN NOW!!!!!! Bob --- On Fri, 5/13/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!! To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 13, 2011, 8:06 AM Coins will continue to rise, as well as things like Baseball cards, as they will have a much stronger interest, than trains in the long run. Mike From: Robert Conner Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 10:56 PM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!! I know some train prices, among other things, are down..... But try coin collecting..... !!!! 142 $$$$$ for this lot?????????? Bob Conner http://cgi.ebay.com/2007-All-8-USA-Presidential-Dollar-Bank-Wrap-UNC-Rolls-/320697893762?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item4aab158382 Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64718	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: And we think train prices are down

Stumpy..... These are DOLLAR COINS...... 25 to a roll.... ergo 8 x 25 = 200.00.... Will buy all you got of these for 18.00 per roll and might pay on the shipping too !!!!!!!!! Bob   PS.... Signs of the times.... I have a couple of Notes printed in Zimbobway... ONE HUNDRED TRILLION DOLLARS printed in 2008.... was good for a loaf of bread then --- On Fri, 5/13/11, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: And we think train prices are down To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 13, 2011, 8:08 AM   Let's see, there are $80. worth of quarters (if these are the standard $10. rolls) and some paper printed with the Presidents' names and I suppose the magic marker letters mean they're from the Philly or Denver mint. And the high bid was 142 bucks. Not being a coin collector, the bidder paid $60. too much for legal tender, and at the current rate that the Dollar is nose diving, probably way too much. Aren't "The Presidents" quarters the same silver/copper sandwhich we all know hasn't been worth 25 cents by metal content for years? (Although at the rate copper is climbing, and the dollar is fading, they may some day be worth 25 cents again!) I had slowly collected all "The States" quarters and have them in a "hanson cardboard album." It's a good thing I was told in lots of TV advertising that they were "collectable" because they're worth 25 cents each at McDonalds. (I think Cindy still has one of those "collectable" velvet "black light" Elvis posters around here too, still in the "hansom cardboard tube!") :-) On the other hand, if these were actual solid gold or silver coins, the eBay buyer got a hell of a deal! Just my five cents worth (it used to be two cents, but inflation, you know.) :-) Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64719	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: 6 Wheel Truck Update

Ray,      Yes, they are a modified AF 6 wheel truck from 1949 with a knuckle coupler and if you want them with white walls this will be in the offering also but with a different part number and a slightly higher price.      Thank you for your continuing interest in our new items. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc   --- On Fri, 5/13/11, Ray Puls <rpuls3@...> wrote: From: Ray Puls <rpuls3@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 6 Wheel Truck Update To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 13, 2011, 8:45 AM   Dave, Will these six wheel trucks have all wheel power pick up and be large enough to give the proper appearance under the Northern and Hudson tenders? If so put me down for at least two pair. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64720	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!!

My Error he's an AUSSIE & has been a member since April 9th 20011 In a message dated 5/13/2011 7:49:55 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Bob, YOU ARE RIGHT! WOW! LOL Unbelievable. Too funny. Mike From: Robert Conner Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 10:23 AM To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!! Mike..... Yes but look at the picture and description..... There are 8 rolls at 25.00 each = 200.00 face value..... And they brought 142.00??????? HELLO!!!!!! GUESS OUR DOLLAR IS REALLY GOING DOWN NOW!!!!!! Bob --- On Fri, 5/13/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!! To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 13, 2011, 8:06 AM Coins will continue to rise, as well as things like Baseball cards, as they will have a much stronger interest, than trains in the long run. Mike From: Robert Conner Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 10:56 PM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!! I know some train prices, among other things, are down..... But try coin collecting..... !!!! 142 $$$$$ for this lot?????????? Bob Conner _http://cgi.ebay.com/2007-All-8-USA-Presidential-Dollar-Bank-Wrap-UNC-Rolls- /320697893762?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item4aab158382_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/2007-All-8-USA-Presidential-Dollar-Bank-Wrap-UNC-Rolls-/320697893762?pt=C oins_US_Individual&hash=item4aab158382) Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64721	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: And we think train prices are down

Y'all think it's bad now. Back in the 20's ant 30's in Germany you couldn't buy a loaf of bread with a wheelbarrow full of deutschmarks. A friend of mine had a 20 million reichsmark bill from the 30's it was worthless. It had a swastika on it. Had it not had the swastika it would have been worth 7 million US dollars. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: rcon7@... Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 07:30:43 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: And we think train prices are down Stumpy..... These are DOLLAR COINS...... 25 to a roll.... ergo 8 x 25 = 200.00.... Will buy all you got of these for 18.00 per roll and might pay on the shipping too !!!!!!!!! Bob PS.... Signs of the times.... I have a couple of Notes printed in Zimbobway... ONE HUNDRED TRILLION DOLLARS printed in 2008.... was good for a loaf of bread then --- On Fri, 5/13/11, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE: And we think train prices are down To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 13, 2011, 8:08 AM Let's see, there are $80. worth of quarters (if these are the standard $10. rolls) and some paper printed with the Presidents' names and I suppose the magic marker letters mean they're from the Philly or Denver mint. And the high bid was 142 bucks. Not being a coin collector, the bidder paid $60. too much for legal tender, and at the current rate that the Dollar is nose diving, probably way too much. Aren't "The Presidents" quarters the same silver/copper sandwhich we all know hasn't been worth 25 cents by metal content for years? (Although at the rate copper is climbing, and the dollar is fading, they may some day be worth 25 cents again!) I had slowly collected all "The States" quarters and have them in a "hanson cardboard album." It's a good thing I was told in lots of TV advertising that they were "collectable" because they're worth 25 cents each at McDonalds. (I think Cindy still has one of those "collectable" velvet "black light" Elvis posters around here too, still in the "hansom cardboard tube!") :-) On the other hand, if these were actual solid gold or silver coins, the eBay buyer got a hell of a deal! Just my five cents worth (it used to be two cents, but inflation, you know.) :-) Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64722	From: rgeorge942	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Good website for the history of AC Gilbert

Found this site by accident. Good history of ACG. Lots of links to manuals etc. http://www.jitterbuzz.com/the_man.html Bob G

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64723	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!!

Sounds like a good deal, until.........The seller is in Wales & has a ZERO Feedback score. I'd really think twice on this guy...Mike In a message dated 5/12/2011 10:20:29 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rcon7@... writes: I know some train prices, among other things, are down..... But try coin collecting..... !!!! 142 $$$$$ for this lot?????????? Bob Conner _http://cgi.ebay.com/2007-All-8-USA-Presidential-Dollar-Bank-Wrap-UNC-Rolls- /320697893762?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item4aab158382_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/2007-All-8-USA-Presidential-Dollar-Bank-Wrap-UNC-Rolls-/320697893762?pt=C oins_US_Individual&hash=item4aab158382) Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64724	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!!

Oops - dollar coins - need new glasses. Reply from Bill Porter South Florida

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64725	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!!

Everybody is missing the point........ DUH.... They are DOLLARS!!!!!!! 8 x 25 = $200.00 FACE VALUE for 142   ??????? I think its a scam as the fellow has another lot up at 145? Bob --- On Fri, 5/13/11, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote: From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 13, 2011, 10:46 AM   Hmmm, not really scale stuff, but it is math. A roll of quarters holds 40 coins for a face value of $10 no matter what is printed on the roll. To have a face value of $25, there would need to be 100 quarters in each roll. That would be bigger than an 8000 gallon tank car. On the subject of rising values for trains versus coins, I remind myself that I bought proof sets from the mint when I had a paper route (remember them?) in the late 1950s. They are worth maybe 10% more than I paid for them after 50 years. I should have bought a couple of Northerns and 3 or 4 0-8-0 switchers instead. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Conner Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 10:24 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!! Mike..... Yes but look at the picture and description..... There are 8 rolls at 25.00 each = 200.00 face value..... And they brought 142.00??????? HELLO!!!!!! GUESS OUR DOLLAR IS REALLY GOING DOWN NOW!!!!!! Bob   --- On Fri, 5/13/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: Coins will continue to rise, as well as things like Baseball cards, as they will have a much stronger interest, than trains in the long run. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64726	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/50-Clad-Eisenhower-Dollars-Unsearched-D441-/110686950837?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item19c574d5b5 You mean like this? Heck, I do this all the time with selling AF things for way less that what I paid for them, track, switches, cars, heck, what is the difference. LOL Dollars, trains, all the same in the end, as it took dollars to buy the trains. Ahh, just having some fun with this. Mike From: Robert Conner Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 10:57 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!! Everybody is missing the point........ DUH.... They are DOLLARS!!!!!!! 8 x 25 = $200.00 FACE VALUE for 142 ??????? I think its a scam as the fellow has another lot up at 145? Bob --- On Fri, 5/13/11, Bill Porter <mailto:wpporter%40duckburg.us> wrote: From: Bill Porter <mailto:wpporter%40duckburg.us> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!! To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 13, 2011, 10:46 AM Hmmm, not really scale stuff, but it is math. A roll of quarters holds 40 coins for a face value of $10 no matter what is printed on the roll. To have a face value of $25, there would need to be 100 quarters in each roll. That would be bigger than an 8000 gallon tank car. On the subject of rising values for trains versus coins, I remind myself that I bought proof sets from the mint when I had a paper route (remember them?) in the late 1950s. They are worth maybe 10% more than I paid for them after 50 years. I should have bought a couple of Northerns and 3 or 4 0-8-0 switchers instead. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Conner Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 10:24 AM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AND WE THINK TRAIN PRICES ARE DOWN !!!! Mike..... Yes but look at the picture and description..... There are 8 rolls at 25.00 each = 200.00 face value..... And they brought 142.00??????? HELLO!!!!!! GUESS OUR DOLLAR IS REALLY GOING DOWN NOW!!!!!! Bob --- On Fri, 5/13/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: Coins will continue to rise, as well as things like Baseball cards, as they will have a much stronger interest, than trains in the long run. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64727	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re;And we think train prices are down

Well, I DID tell y'all that I'm not a coin collector! Yep if these are dollar coins, he could have taken them to the bank and at least would have gotten a buck a piece as legal tender! If these are typical U.S. silver/copper "sandwhich" coins he can forget going to the many "gold dealers" as they are probably never going to give near $142. as the metals are not worth that, even with the falling U.S. Dollar. Still better top take face value at the bank in this case. As far as the worth of our trains, again I'm NOT a collector. In the matter of my "thinning the herd" at the recent Spring S Spree, I sold off used but boxed SHS, AM, and old Gibert rolling stock, two Putt locos, and four of my loco rebuilds, below the "collector" prices and didn't bring one item home! Others reloaded the same stuff they brought with them. In today's tight economic times, a vendor must face the reality of hauling, unloading, and reloading items for sale, and the costs of motels, fuel, meals, and table fees. Does he drop his prices to try to recoup at least some of his expenses, or run a traveling museum? In my opinion (again I'm not a collector) financial realities are slowly catching up to the prices of collectables of all kinds. Stumpy in Appalachia...putting on my fire retardant suit and waiting for the collectors to scream in protest! :-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64728	From: Scott	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Values - All black vs. Whitewalls

Hey, I recently purchased a 21085 Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul And Pacific at a local meet. I asked my buddy what the locomotive is worth, and we looked in Greenburgs. The problem we came accross is that in Greenburgs, the 21085 w/ all its variations was listed under one listing. Is it true that white walls or solid black wheels and the tender logo does not affect the value and that no matter which 21085 you have, they all have the same value? Thanks for your help. Scott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64729	From: Eric	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: Extra S Helper items for sale.

I shipped it out this morning, USPS Priority, It should be there early in the week. eric On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Eric <ericrhere@...> wrote: > Mark: done.3 hopper, $75. Paypal works as previous. Eric > On May 10, 2011 10:08 PM, <Manderman@...> wrote: > > Eric, > > > > If still available...I can offer $75.00 plus shipping for Items 3 and 4. > > > > Let me know. > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Eric" <ericrhere@...> > > To: s-scale@yahoogroups.com, S-trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, May 8, 2011 8:45:59 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Extra S Helper items for sale. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have an extra Locomotive and 4 extra cars for sale. I figured I would > > give the people on the list a shot prior to Ebaying them. > > > > Item 1: S Helper F7A Loco in ASTF Passenger Scheme. This is a > > single silver and Red engine. I purchased this unit from SHS, It was one > > of their demo show units. As such it is painted all silver without the > > chrome on the sides from the production units. Otherwise it looks > identical > > to the production units and is number 37. It is DC with scale wheels and > > Kadee couplers but I will include the knuckle coupler frames and screws, > > front coupler hole plug, and the high rail wheels. I have baseically only > > > test run this unit since I got it about 2-3 years ago. It runs fine. I > > paid $299. and will let it go for $250 or an offer plus shipping and > > insurance. (about $12). Here is the SHS web picture. I do not have a box > > but have the foam insert for shipping. > > http://www.showcaseline.com/Archived_product_pages/images/00928.ATSF.jpg > > > > Item #2: Frisco "rebuilt" Box car Brown with Tan sides 01135 "Superior > > service" Car is new but not in its original box. Set up as High-rail with > > > knuckles, and will include scale wheels. $40 or best offer plus shipping. > > > > > item #3 Pair of Pennsylvania 2 bay Hoppers. slightly used in their boxes > > 257701 and 257781, off white color. logo in center slightly used but look > > > near mint condition.$60 plus shipping or offer. > > > > Item #4: Pennsylvania 2 bay hopper, light gray color # 257862 logo in > > upper left, slightly used in its box $30 plus shipping or offer. > > > > Thanks for looking > > > > Eric Reis > > Kenmore, Wa. > > "er099" on ebay for reference also a 25 year TCA mamber. > > > > Items are being sold as-is and cannot be returned. I can forward pictures > > > of the actual items if needed. paypal or checks work. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64730	From: Dale Smith	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: And we think train prices are down

Say what you will about the "value of the dollar", but remember Ebay still accepts those dollars in payment, so you can buy $200 of devalued U.S. dollars for $142 devalued U.S. dollars. In any case a profit $58 devalued U.S. dollars, which can be used to purchase $4 a gallon gasoline which may really be worth $1 a gallon. It is all relative. The seller should have set a starting bid at no less than the face value. Right now he is out at least $58 plus Ebay fees Dale On 5/13/2011 5:08 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > > Let's see, there are $80. worth of quarters (if these are the standard > $10. rolls) and some paper printed with the Presidents' names and I > suppose the magic marker letters mean they're from the Philly or > Denver mint. And the high bid was 142 bucks. > Not being a coin collector, the bidder paid $60. too much for legal > tender, and at the current rate that the Dollar is nose diving, > probably way too much. Aren't "The Presidents" quarters the same > silver/copper sandwhich we all know hasn't been worth 25 cents by > metal content for years? (Although at the rate copper is climbing, and > the dollar is fading, they may some day be worth 25 cents again!) > I had slowly collected all "The States" quarters and have them in a > "hanson cardboard album." It's a good thing I was told in lots of TV > advertising that they were "collectable" because they're worth 25 > cents each at McDonalds. (I think Cindy still has one of those > "collectable" velvet "black light" Elvis posters around here too, > still in the "hansom cardboard tube!") :-) > On the other hand, if these were actual solid gold or silver coins, > the eBay buyer got a hell of a deal! > Just my five cents worth (it used to be two cents, but inflation, you > know.) :-) > Stumpy in Appalachia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64731	From: richs009	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: Good website for the history of AC Gilbert

Yes, this is the site where one can find out about AC and his vibrator... One of the (other) things I found interesting about this site is that as far as I could tell, there is no real discussion of Flyer. I had always assumed that Flyer constituted the majority of Gilbert sales - at least after WWII - but maybe that not a good assumption?? - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rgeorge942" <RGeorge942@...> wrote: > > Found this site by accident. Good history of ACG. Lots of links to manuals etc. > > http://www.jitterbuzz.com/the_man.html > > Bob G >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64732	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: Good website for the history of AC Gilbert

Probably because the person who did this website on Gilbert is not interested in the trains. I used to belong to a A C Gilbert society and it was all Erector, as that was the interest of the group. I never had any Erector and I have no interest in it, so I left the group. Mike From: richs009 Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 5:43 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Good website for the history of AC Gilbert Yes, this is the site where one can find out about AC and his vibrator... One of the (other) things I found interesting about this site is that as far as I could tell, there is no real discussion of Flyer. I had always assumed that Flyer constituted the majority of Gilbert sales - at least after WWII - but maybe that not a good assumption?? - Rich --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "rgeorge942" <RGeorge942@...> wrote: > > Found this site by accident. Good history of ACG. Lots of links to manuals etc. > > http://www.jitterbuzz.com/the_man.html > > Bob G > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64733	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Scenario: Train Show. See what is no doubt your own stolen set at a

Is there an etiquette for dealing with discovering a set/item that was stolen from you being sold at a train show? This happened last Saturday ( May 7) at a train show in North Haverhill, NH. No doubt about it, a 150 and 3 600s, painted in Flyer Hamiltonian maroon, Door knobs, grilles, grab rails all painted Testor's gold, Jerry Butler rubber stamps, except for "NYC Lines" on top of the coaches ( I couldn't get it to register well stamping directly onto the coaches, so I stamped it on clear decal film  and applied it so.). And the new pickup rollers and insulator, showing the epoxy impression of having had the original "Lionel" plate stuck on, but I changed my mind and have the Mfr. plate still.I did not get confrontational, but I let this dealer know that there was no doubt that it was my set, stolen in 2007. What can one do in this situation?- John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64734	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: And we think train prices are down

$200 US is 187.50 Australian. So who ever sold this loses. Not sure the reality of why this happened. There error in calculating how much the dollars would sell for? A risk you take. Mike From: Dale Smith Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 6:24 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: And we think train prices are down Say what you will about the "value of the dollar", but remember Ebay still accepts those dollars in payment, so you can buy $200 of devalued U.S. dollars for $142 devalued U.S. dollars. In any case a profit $58 devalued U.S. dollars, which can be used to purchase $4 a gallon gasoline which may really be worth $1 a gallon. It is all relative. The seller should have set a starting bid at no less than the face value. Right now he is out at least $58 plus Ebay fees Dale On 5/13/2011 5:08 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > > Let's see, there are $80. worth of quarters (if these are the standard > $10. rolls) and some paper printed with the Presidents' names and I > suppose the magic marker letters mean they're from the Philly or > Denver mint. And the high bid was 142 bucks. > Not being a coin collector, the bidder paid $60. too much for legal > tender, and at the current rate that the Dollar is nose diving, > probably way too much. Aren't "The Presidents" quarters the same > silver/copper sandwhich we all know hasn't been worth 25 cents by > metal content for years? (Although at the rate copper is climbing, and > the dollar is fading, they may some day be worth 25 cents again!) > I had slowly collected all "The States" quarters and have them in a > "hanson cardboard album." It's a good thing I was told in lots of TV > advertising that they were "collectable" because they're worth 25 > cents each at McDonalds. (I think Cindy still has one of those > "collectable" velvet "black light" Elvis posters around here too, > still in the "hansom cardboard tube!") :-) > On the other hand, if these were actual solid gold or silver coins, > the eBay buyer got a hell of a deal! > Just my five cents worth (it used to be two cents, but inflation, you > know.) :-) > Stumpy in Appalachia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64735	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: Scenario: Train Show. See what is no doubt your own stolen set a

Call the police. Did you file a stolen report as that would have been really helpful in getting it back. Stolen report matches up with this set at the show, as it could be sold by now. If you did file a report and now discovered it, a good case for you. Mike From: john isn't eddie anymore Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 8:28 PM To: S-Trains ; TCAMG ; TTMLToytrainsmailing TCA group Subject: [S-Trains] Scenario: Train Show. See what is no doubt your own stolen set at a table.. Is there an etiquette for dealing with discovering a set/item that was stolen from you being sold at a train show? This happened last Saturday ( May 7) at a train show in North Haverhill, NH. No doubt about it, a 150 and 3 600s, painted in Flyer Hamiltonian maroon, Door knobs, grilles, grab rails all painted Testor's gold, Jerry Butler rubber stamps, except for "NYC Lines" on top of the coaches ( I couldn't get it to register well stamping directly onto the coaches, so I stamped it on clear decal film and applied it so.). And the new pickup rollers and insulator, showing the epoxy impression of having had the original "Lionel" plate stuck on, but I changed my mind and have the Mfr. plate still.I did not get confrontational, but I let this dealer know that there was no doubt that it was my set, stolen in 2007. What can one do in this situation?- John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64736	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: And we think train prices are down

Stumpy, Look at the coins again- they are the presidential dollars not quarters, the seller lost $58. Jim From: mrstumpy50 Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 8:08 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: And we think train prices are down Let's see, there are $80. worth of quarters (if these are the standard $10. rolls) and some paper printed with the Presidents' names and I suppose the magic marker letters mean they're from the Philly or Denver mint. And the high bid was 142 bucks. Not being a coin collector, the bidder paid $60. too much for legal tender, and at the current rate that the Dollar is nose diving, probably way too much. Aren't "The Presidents" quarters the same silver/copper sandwhich we all know hasn't been worth 25 cents by metal content for years? (Although at the rate copper is climbing, and the dollar is fading, they may some day be worth 25 cents again!) I had slowly collected all "The States" quarters and have them in a "hanson cardboard album." It's a good thing I was told in lots of TV advertising that they were "collectable" because they're worth 25 cents each at McDonalds. (I think Cindy still has one of those "collectable" velvet "black light" Elvis posters around here too, still in the "hansom cardboard tube!") :-) On the other hand, if these were actual solid gold or silver coins, the eBay buyer got a hell of a deal! Just my five cents worth (it used to be two cents, but inflation, you know.) :-) Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64737	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/13/2011
Subject: Re: Scenario: Train Show. See what is no doubt your own stolen set a

If you did not file a report, a description on what you did to make this set, could be something in your favor. Mike best of luck with this. From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 8:37 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Scenario: Train Show. See what is no doubt your own stolen set at a table.. Call the police. Did you file a stolen report as that would have been really helpful in getting it back. Stolen report matches up with this set at the show, as it could be sold by now. If you did file a report and now discovered it, a good case for you. Mike From: john isn't eddie anymore Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 8:28 PM To: S-Trains ; TCAMG ; TTMLToytrainsmailing TCA group Subject: [S-Trains] Scenario: Train Show. See what is no doubt your own stolen set at a table.. Is there an etiquette for dealing with discovering a set/item that was stolen from you being sold at a train show? This happened last Saturday ( May 7) at a train show in North Haverhill, NH. No doubt about it, a 150 and 3 600s, painted in Flyer Hamiltonian maroon, Door knobs, grilles, grab rails all painted Testor's gold, Jerry Butler rubber stamps, except for "NYC Lines" on top of the coaches ( I couldn't get it to register well stamping directly onto the coaches, so I stamped it on clear decal film and applied it so.). And the new pickup rollers and insulator, showing the epoxy impression of having had the original "Lionel" plate stuck on, but I changed my mind and have the Mfr. plate still.I did not get confrontational, but I let this dealer know that there was no doubt that it was my set, stolen in 2007. What can one do in this situation?- John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64738	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/14/2011
Subject: S Scale Container project conformation

All, Now that the S Scale Container project is a go, I am taking the updates and communication direct to those that are interested and off the S Lists. If you have contacted me directly, or as in a few cases posted to the S list in the past few days and committed to an order you should have gotten a confirmation email from me directly. If you did not - please contact me again. I think I got everyone, but yesterday was crazy. Some people are calling them "PRR containers". They are not decorated. You can have your way with them! Stan was not a PRR modeler. What he used as a guide or prototype to make the master is not known to me. Here is a repeat of some of the info - with a few changes made. Notably missing from the S world are nice LCL containers for gondolas and possibly flat car loads. This is the container I am having made http://www.lanestrains.com/S_Scale_Container.jpg It measures 1.5" high x 1.3" wide x .75" deep. The master was made by Stan Furmanak. 2 containers can easily sit side by side in an American Models or American Flyer Gondola. http://www.lanestrains.com/AF_Gondola_with_Containers.jpg (Shown with all the containers I currently have. 12 containers fit in the American Flyer Gondola PERFECTLY!) This is an excellent way to add weight to your light cars as a load and fill a LCL transfer yard at the same time. They will be solid urethane and unpainted. The actual color they will be is not known to me at this time. ** I am trying to get them molded in an Oxide Red or boxcar red color.** The lifting hooks on top will be repaired before getting them cast. I can guarantee a flat bottom - essentially they will be ready to paint and use as received from me. This will be a non-stocking project. I am pretty much ordering to be made what is ordered from me. You could call it a onetime offer. Payment in full in advance will be due when I contact you and ask for it. I am selling them at $40.00 each for a set of 10 containers plus the shipping carrier of your choice. That is the way I would really prefer to sell them as it keeps things simple. Estimated time for delivery is 2-3 months. >>Please reply directly with your interest or questions.<< Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: <http://www.lanestrains.com/> http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Custom Train Parts Design <http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm> http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) <http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls> http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! <http://www.prrths.com/> http://www.prrths.com <http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf> http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! <http://www.prslhs.com/> http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64739	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 5/14/2011
Subject: Re: And we think train prices are down

Unfortunately the value of the dollar on the world market is somewhat volatile, and right now is at a low ebb. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 5/14/2011 12:24 AM, Dale Smith wrote: > > Say what you will about the "value of the dollar", but remember Ebay > still accepts those dollars in payment, so you can buy $200 of devalued > U.S. dollars for $142 devalued U.S. dollars. In any case a profit $58 > devalued U.S. dollars, which can be used to purchase $4 a gallon > gasoline which may really be worth $1 a gallon. It is all relative. > > The seller should have set a starting bid at no less than the face > value. Right now he is out at least $58 plus Ebay fees > > Dale > > On 5/13/2011 5:08 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > > > > Let's see, there are $80. worth of quarters (if these are the standard > > $10. rolls) and some paper printed with the Presidents' names and I > > suppose the magic marker letters mean they're from the Philly or > > Denver mint. And the high bid was 142 bucks. > > Not being a coin collector, the bidder paid $60. too much for legal > > tender, and at the current rate that the Dollar is nose diving, > > probably way too much. Aren't "The Presidents" quarters the same > > silver/copper sandwhich we all know hasn't been worth 25 cents by > > metal content for years? (Although at the rate copper is climbing, and > > the dollar is fading, they may some day be worth 25 cents again!) > > I had slowly collected all "The States" quarters and have them in a > > "hanson cardboard album." It's a good thing I was told in lots of TV > > advertising that they were "collectable" because they're worth 25 > > cents each at McDonalds. (I think Cindy still has one of those > > "collectable" velvet "black light" Elvis posters around here too, > > still in the "hansom cardboard tube!") :-) > > On the other hand, if these were actual solid gold or silver coins, > > the eBay buyer got a hell of a deal! > > Just my five cents worth (it used to be two cents, but inflation, you > > know.) :-) > > Stumpy in Appalachia > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64740	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/14/2011
Subject: Broken Brake Wheels

How does one remove the broken part of the brake wheel in a AF box car, reefer, the stub part. A certain size drill bit? Thanks for any help. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64741	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 5/14/2011
Subject: Trailer Service

I've been thinking about adding TOFC service, and borrowing from the NKP and PRR by calling it "High Speed TrucTrain Service" I was at the local Hobbytown and found these for $11.50 ($13.50 for the UP set). They're more detailed than the standard Flyer trailers http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/photos/trailers/prrtrailers.JPG http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/photos/trailers/uptrailer.JPG Under them I plan to use junker LC flats, and bringing up the rear a 638 caboose that'll get a radio antenna and "Radio Equipped" lettering. My #370 GP-7 will provide motive power, but steam will be on stand-by.. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64742	From: richs009	Date: 5/14/2011
Subject: Re: Broken Brake Wheels

Mike - its been awhile since I've replaced the brake wheels - if memory serves, the brake wheel hole in some of the box cars goes all the way through, so if you pull the car shell off the chassis, you should be able to see the hole on the inside. If so, use the 'opposite end' of the right size drill bit (the end that is usually in the chuck) and push out the broken piece from the inside. You might be able to drill it out from the outside, but only if the broken piece is plastic and not metal. If its metal, you risk simply having the drill bit slide off and into the softer surrounding plastic and you will wind up with a misshapen hole... - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > How does one remove the broken part of the brake wheel in a AF box car, reefer, the stub part. > > A certain size drill bit? > > Thanks for any help. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64743	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 5/14/2011
Subject: Re: Scenario: Train Show. See what is no doubt your own sto len set

There is no etiquette. Take the stuff and have the cops settle it. "This is mine, and it was stolen from me--check with the thief you bought it from" Odds are the dealer knows very well who the seller was. Of course, having photos of this uniquely decorated set will keep the cops from going after you. And, the dealer doesn't want any trouble anyway. Of course, you won't be able to buy anything from him in the future. Please note: message attached From: john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@...> To: S-Trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>, TCAMG <TCA_members_group@yahoogroups.com>, TTMLToytrainsmailing TCA group <toytrains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Scenario: Train Show. See what is no doubt your own stolen set at a table.. Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 17:28:06 -0700 (PDT) ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64744	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 5/14/2011
Subject: "S"acto Convention

Gentlemen... Just for your information, there are a total of six S layouts now approved for display at the National Train Show. Some are exquisite narrow gauge, some are scale standard gauge, some are hi-rail (AF compatible) and one layout is a genuine A.C.Gilbert-built department store layout from the mid-1950s. It has been preserved and maintained over the past 60 years and will be running complete with many operating accessories. Clubs from San Diego, Walnut Creek, Boise, ID and elsewhere are loading up their trailers and getting ready for the haul to Sacramento. All of this is in addition to three of the finest S scale layouts in the northern California region on one S-only bus tour. These six S layouts outnumber the layouts in any scale except for HO. More S than O or N by far. Quite an accomplishment, I would say. Has this ever happened before? Two hotels have been sold out and a third one is now accepting reservations. Registration is over 1,200 and expectations are for over 1,400 plus local walk-ins without advance registration. To put it mildly this will be a BIG event. Train saturation is assured. Click below for convention information and pay particular attention to the NASG Banquet on Saturday night. For less than the cost of one new Flyonel box car, you will have an unforgettable experience of your model railroading lifetime. Get ready for some fun... Don't worry about the gorilla, he only plays the banjo. http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html http://www.x2011west.org/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info <http://www.x2011west.org/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=9&prod ucts_id=56> &cPath=9&products_id=56 See you in "S"acto..Ed Loizeaux, Co-Chairman NASG convention [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64745	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 5/14/2011
Subject: Re: Broken Brake Wheels

Mike,      Take the shell off of the chassis and using a piece of piano wire slightly smaller than the brake wheel stub and a small hammer drive it out from the inside. If it is an original it isn't glued in. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc --- On Sat, 5/14/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Broken Brake Wheels To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 14, 2011, 5:02 PM   How does one remove the broken part of the brake wheel in a AF box car, reefer, the stub part. A certain size drill bit? Thanks for any help. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64746	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/14/2011
Subject: Re: Scenario: Train Show. See what is no doubt your own stolen set a

Taking the items from the new “owner” might not be advisable. The police need to be contacted and let the police handle it. Again not filing a police report from the beginning is one count against you, but still you should contact them. Taking the train from this person I think would be a foolish thing. Mike From: schwartzsj@... Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 7:02 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; TCA_members_group@yahoogroups.com ; toytrains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Scenario: Train Show. See what is no doubt your own stolen set at a table.. There is no etiquette. Take the stuff and have the cops settle it. "This is mine, and it was stolen from me--check with the thief you bought it from" Odds are the dealer knows very well who the seller was. Of course, having photos of this uniquely decorated set will keep the cops from going after you. And, the dealer doesn't want any trouble anyway. Of course, you won't be able to buy anything from him in the future. Please note: message attached From: john isn't eddie anymore <mailto:druvnik%40yahoo.com> To: S-Trains <mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com>, TCAMG <mailto:TCA_members_group%40yahoogroups.com>, TTMLToytrainsmailing TCA group <mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Scenario: Train Show. See what is no doubt your own stolen set at a table.. Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 17:28:06 -0700 (PDT) __________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64747	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/14/2011
Subject: Re: Broken Brake Wheels

Thanks Dave and Rich, as this car did not come with a brake wheel originally by AF, as it is a 24048 M&Stl box car. I read that in a Greenberg book. Someone put a brake wheel on it and I wanted it to be like how it came, so I tried to pull it off. Wheel broke off, as I did take the shell off and there is no hole inside. I did see someone take a mini drill bit to a stub once to pull a stub out. maybe I might just leave it alone. Mike From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 5:50 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Broken Brake Wheels Mike, Take the shell off of the chassis and using a piece of piano wire slightly smaller than the brake wheel stub and a small hammer drive it out from the inside. If it is an original it isn't glued in. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc --- On Sat, 5/14/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> Subject: [S-Trains] Broken Brake Wheels To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 14, 2011, 5:02 PM How does one remove the broken part of the brake wheel in a AF box car, reefer, the stub part. A certain size drill bit? Thanks for any help. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64748	From: Todd	Date: 5/15/2011
Subject: Flyonel Decals Wantedfrom 1981-1991

I'm trying to put together a collection of Lionel-produced decals that were used on American Flyer production from 1981 through about 1991. These are the ones that I'm looking for. 640-8100-010 Wabash Decal (Alco nose) 640-8112-010 Missouri Pacific Decal (Alco nose) 640-8150-010 Southern Pacific Decal (Alco nose) 640-8552-010 New York Central Decal - Left Front (GP-7 side) 640-8552-013 New York Central Decal - Right Front (GP-7 side) 640-8552-014 New York Central Decal - Right Side (GP-7 side) 640-8552-015 New York Central Decal - Right Rear (GP-7 side) 640-9702-010 Baltimore & Ohio Decal (Sentinel boxcar logo) I've already checked with Doug Peck and Tom Seccia, but they couldn't help. Haven't heard back from Fred Jester or Joe's Train Repair. I've also checked with several Lionel parts dealers. Can anyone on here help? E-mail me at papertrw@.... Thanks and Regards, Todd Wagner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64749	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 5/15/2011
Subject: Re: Scenario: Train Show. See what is no doubt your own stolen set a

I agree with Mike. Even though it's your stuff you yourself could be arrested for stealing and chances are the new owner has a receipt To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mlmarmer@... Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 21:09:27 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Scenario: Train Show. See what is no doubt your own stolen set at a table.. Taking the items from the new �owner� might not be advisable. The police need to be contacted and let the police handle it. Again not filing a police report from the beginning is one count against you, but still you should contact them. Taking the train from this person I think would be a foolish thing. Mike From: schwartzsj@... Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 7:02 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: s-trains@yahoogroups.com ; TCA_members_group@yahoogroups.com ; toytrains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Scenario: Train Show. See what is no doubt your own stolen set at a table.. There is no etiquette. Take the stuff and have the cops settle it. "This is mine, and it was stolen from me--check with the thief you bought it from" Odds are the dealer knows very well who the seller was. Of course, having photos of this uniquely decorated set will keep the cops from going after you. And, the dealer doesn't want any trouble anyway. Of course, you won't be able to buy anything from him in the future. Please note: message attached From: john isn't eddie anymore <mailto:druvnik%40yahoo.com> To: S-Trains <mailto:s-trains%40yahoogroups.com>, TCAMG <mailto:TCA_members_group%40yahoogroups.com>, TTMLToytrainsmailing TCA group <mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Scenario: Train Show. See what is no doubt your own stolen set at a table.. Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 17:28:06 -0700 (PDT) __________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64750	From: Bob C	Date: 5/15/2011
Subject: Home Layouts Needed For Central Coast Railroad Festival (Calif.)

The 2011 Central Coast Railroad Festival in San Luis Obispo, CA, again will feature free, self-guided tours of model railroads as part of the festival activities. I have been asked by Festival Director Curtis Reinhardt to organize this year's tour program as I did last year. While eighteen layouts were featured on last year's tour, we would like to have even more model railroads on this year's program. The tours will take place in an area ranging from Paso Robles to Santa Maria on October 6th through the 10th. If you have a home layout and may be interested in opening it for the tour or have any questions before committing to the tour, please contact me. If you know of a layout owner who may be interested, also please contact me or pass this message on to them. My contact information is below. Thank you for your assistance. Bob Chaparro Moderator Model Railroads Of Southern California http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/ Hemet, CA chiefbobbb@... Additional Information: The Central Coast Railroad Festival is a broad based festival which focuses on railroading of many types with an eye towards the beauty of the Central Coast of California. The Festival is designed to attract the attention of avid and casual rail fans as well as curious folks from across the Western United States. The Festival features historical, educational and recreational events. Model railroad activities also are included. Website: http://ccrrf.com/ Photos From Last Year's Tour: http://donn.smugmug.com/Trains/Central-Coast-Railroad/14152677_rBARk#1044130884_NxB8Z

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64751	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 5/15/2011
Subject: Yet Another AFL Problem

Hi All, I have had my Flyonel 6-48047 Northern sitting stationary on the layout for a couple of weeks. I just started it up to do a few runs around the layout and the back end hops like a frog. One of the rubber bands on the rear driver has disformed and now has a big hump hanging on it. The rest of the rubber band looks mostly ok, so where did this extra material grow from? It is definitely part of the rubber band. Has anyone else experienced this? I guess I'll have to order some replacment rubber bands at some exorbitant price, add in exorbitant shipping/handling and then spend who knows how long replacing the rubber bands. You can check the archives for the other problems I've had with this piece of crap. So far it's spent almost all of it's life either on the display shelf or on the work bench. What a sorry excuse for a locomotive! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64752	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/15/2011
Subject: Re: Yet Another AFL Problem

Dave, Sorry to hear about the engine. Order a side of string to go with the rubber band. Just kidding. Good luck with this. Mike From: bull_gator_1 Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 12:05 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Yet Another AFL Problem Hi All, I have had my Flyonel 6-48047 Northern sitting stationary on the layout for a couple of weeks. I just started it up to do a few runs around the layout and the back end hops like a frog. One of the rubber bands on the rear driver has disformed and now has a big hump hanging on it. The rest of the rubber band looks mostly ok, so where did this extra material grow from? It is definitely part of the rubber band. Has anyone else experienced this? I guess I'll have to order some replacment rubber bands at some exorbitant price, add in exorbitant shipping/handling and then spend who knows how long replacing the rubber bands. You can check the archives for the other problems I've had with this piece of crap. So far it's spent almost all of it's life either on the display shelf or on the work bench. What a sorry excuse for a locomotive! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64753	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/15/2011
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Yet Another AFL Problem

Dave, My friend Joseph, a die hard O gauger said this below. Mike From: Joseph Lechner Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 4:03 PM To: 'Michael & Linda Marmer' Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Yet Another AFL Problem Don’t buy rubber bands from Lionel at an inflated price. Get some Bullfrog Snot and make your own traction tires. Joseph H. Lechner, Ph.D. Professor of Chemistry Mount Vernon Nazarene University 800 Martinsburg Road Mount Vernon, OH 43050 [740] 397-9000 ext 3211 From: Michael & Linda Marmer [mailto:mlmarmer@...] Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 4:01 PM To: Joseph Lechner; Thomas Bianculli; Bill Zide Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Yet Another AFL Problem From: bull_gator_1 Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 12:05 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Yet Another AFL Problem Hi All, I have had my Flyonel 6-48047 Northern sitting stationary on the layout for a couple of weeks. I just started it up to do a few runs around the layout and the back end hops like a frog. One of the rubber bands on the rear driver has disformed and now has a big hump hanging on it. The rest of the rubber band looks mostly ok, so where did this extra material grow from? It is definitely part of the rubber band. Has anyone else experienced this? I guess I'll have to order some replacment rubber bands at some exorbitant price, add in exorbitant shipping/handling and then spend who knows how long replacing the rubber bands. You can check the archives for the other problems I've had with this piece of crap. So far it's spent almost all of it's life either on the display shelf or on the work bench. What a sorry excuse for a locomotive! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64754	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/15/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/15/2011, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 64755	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/15/2011
Subject: 24048 Brake wheel

My error on the car number, as I said Greenberg book says it had no brake wheel. It does. The M&Stl car I have with the brake wheel issue is the 24060, That did not come with a brake wheel according to my Greenberg book. I have a hand drill bit. I am going to give this a try. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64756	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/15/2011
Subject: Brake Wheel Success!

Again, now to confused anyone following this, it was a 24048 box car, that had the broken wheel, as I do have a 24060 with a brake wheel on it. Again, according to Greenberg it did not come this way. BUT.......I am going to leave it alone. Okay, brake wheel stub. I used a .066 drill bit, in a hand drill, to do a starter hole for something bigger. The final drill bit was a .056 as that was perfect. Got the brake wheel hole cleaned out and I was able to put in a original brake wheel into the car. I got a about 10 original brake wheels from a reputable parts dealer, about 4 years ago. So, I did not make a mess of the car, ruin it, etc., like I have done in the past with things. So, I have done this AND put on the air hoses for the AF Lionel track gang with no issues. LOL Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64757	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 5/15/2011
Subject: Re: Yet Another AFL Problem

Hi Mike, I decided to pay homage to the mighty "BIG L" and ordered four rubber bands at $1.50 each plus $9.00 shipping. Last week I got ten 12V LEDs from Hong Kong and the shipping was $1.50 - hahahaha! I didn't realize how far away the "BIG L" parts house is - it must be on the moon! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Dave, > > Sorry to hear about the engine. > > Order a side of string to go with the rubber band. > > Just kidding. > > Good luck with this. > > Mike > > From: bull_gator_1 > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 12:05 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Yet Another AFL Problem > > > Hi All, > > I have had my Flyonel 6-48047 Northern sitting stationary on the layout for a couple of weeks. I just started it up to do a few runs around the layout and the back end hops like a frog. One of the rubber bands on the rear driver has disformed and now has a big hump hanging on it. The rest of the rubber band looks mostly ok, so where did this extra material grow from? It is definitely part of the rubber band. Has anyone else experienced this? > > I guess I'll have to order some replacment rubber bands at some exorbitant price, add in exorbitant shipping/handling and then spend who knows how long replacing the rubber bands. > > You can check the archives for the other problems I've had with this piece of crap. So far it's spent almost all of it's life either on the display shelf or on the work bench. What a sorry excuse for a locomotive! > > BG1 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64758	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/16/2011
Subject: Re: Yet Another AFL Problem

David, You have sucome to the powers of Lionel and paid that mighty 9 dollar shipping fee for 4 light weight rubber bands, just I did for 2 air hoses for 3 and 9. They sure like using 9 as standard shipping for lightweight things. I just sent out FIVE Lionel cars out for 7 dollars. Okay, as some cost for envelope and someone to pack it. The Big L is on Rock Candy Mountain somewhere. Just having a bit of fun with this, Good luck with the rubber bands when you get them and hopefully it will be forgotten the money you sent them. Mike From: bull_gator_1 Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 9:55 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Yet Another AFL Problem Hi Mike, I decided to pay homage to the mighty "BIG L" and ordered four rubber bands at $1.50 each plus $9.00 shipping. Last week I got ten 12V LEDs from Hong Kong and the shipping was $1.50 - hahahaha! I didn't realize how far away the "BIG L" parts house is - it must be on the moon! BG1 --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Dave, > > Sorry to hear about the engine. > > Order a side of string to go with the rubber band. > > Just kidding. > > Good luck with this. > > Mike > > From: bull_gator_1 > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 12:05 PM > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Yet Another AFL Problem > > > Hi All, > > I have had my Flyonel 6-48047 Northern sitting stationary on the layout for a couple of weeks. I just started it up to do a few runs around the layout and the back end hops like a frog. One of the rubber bands on the rear driver has disformed and now has a big hump hanging on it. The rest of the rubber band looks mostly ok, so where did this extra material grow from? It is definitely part of the rubber band. Has anyone else experienced this? > > I guess I'll have to order some replacment rubber bands at some exorbitant price, add in exorbitant shipping/handling and then spend who knows how long replacing the rubber bands. > > You can check the archives for the other problems I've had with this piece of crap. So far it's spent almost all of it's life either on the display shelf or on the work bench. What a sorry excuse for a locomotive! > > BG1 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64759	From: Louis	Date: 5/16/2011
Subject: Re: Yet Another AFL Problem

BG1, Had exactly the same problem with mine. I ran it for a couple of weeks after I purchased it and then put back in the box for storage. When I took out of storage and put it back on the track I noticed that it wobble and one rubber tire had expanded and had a lump at the bottom. I replaced it with one of the spares that came with the engine and ordered additional replacements from Lionel. I assumed at the time it may have been a reaction from the track cleaning fluid and the rubber. Lou Baldi --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > I have had my Flyonel 6-48047 Northern sitting stationary on the layout for a couple of weeks. I just started it up to do a few runs around the layout and the back end hops like a frog. One of the rubber bands on the rear driver has disformed and now has a big hump hanging on it. The rest of the rubber band looks mostly ok, so where did this extra material grow from? It is definitely part of the rubber band. Has anyone else experienced this? > > I guess I'll have to order some replacment rubber bands at some exorbitant price, add in exorbitant shipping/handling and then spend who knows how long replacing the rubber bands. > > You can check the archives for the other problems I've had with this piece of crap. So far it's spent almost all of it's life either on the display shelf or on the work bench. What a sorry excuse for a locomotive! > > BG1 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64760	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 5/16/2011
Subject: Re: Yet Another AFL Problem

To All Concerned With Thi,      We are not familiar with the new rubber bands for Flyonel but if they are like the bands for the old AF steam engines then we have heavy duty ones and we don't charge for shipping. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc   --- On Sun, 5/15/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Yet Another AFL Problem To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 15, 2011, 10:50 PM   David, You have sucome to the powers of Lionel and paid that mighty 9 dollar shipping fee for 4 light weight rubber bands, just I did for 2 air hoses for 3 and 9. They sure like using 9 as standard shipping for lightweight things. I just sent out FIVE Lionel cars out for 7 dollars. Okay, as some cost for envelope and someone to pack it. The Big L is on Rock Candy Mountain somewhere. Just having a bit of fun with this, Good luck with the rubber bands when you get them and hopefully it will be forgotten the money you sent them. Mike From: bull_gator_1 Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 9:55 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Yet Another AFL Problem Hi Mike, I decided to pay homage to the mighty "BIG L" and ordered four rubber bands at $1.50 each plus $9.00 shipping. Last week I got ten 12V LEDs from Hong Kong and the shipping was $1.50 - hahahaha! I didn't realize how far away the "BIG L" parts house is - it must be on the moon! BG1 --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Dave, > > Sorry to hear about the engine. > > Order a side of string to go with the rubber band. > > Just kidding. > > Good luck with this. > > Mike > > From: bull_gator_1 > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 12:05 PM > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Yet Another AFL Problem > > > Hi All, > > I have had my Flyonel 6-48047 Northern sitting stationary on the layout for a couple of weeks. I just started it up to do a few runs around the layout and the back end hops like a frog. One of the rubber bands on the rear driver has disformed and now has a big hump hanging on it. The rest of the rubber band looks mostly ok, so where did this extra material grow from? It is definitely part of the rubber band. Has anyone else experienced this? > > I guess I'll have to order some replacment rubber bands at some exorbitant price, add in exorbitant shipping/handling and then spend who knows how long replacing the rubber bands. > > You can check the archives for the other problems I've had with this piece of crap. So far it's spent almost all of it's life either on the display shelf or on the work bench. What a sorry excuse for a locomotive! > > BG1 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64761	From: rick gough	Date: 5/16/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] Yet Another AFL Problem

LBR sells bands for $1.00. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing --- On Sun, 5/15/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Yet Another AFL Problem To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 15, 2011, 1:10 PM   Dave, My friend Joseph, a die hard O gauger said this below. Mike From: Joseph Lechner Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 4:03 PM To: 'Michael & Linda Marmer' Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Yet Another AFL Problem Don’t buy rubber bands from Lionel at an inflated price. Get some Bullfrog Snot and make your own traction tires. Joseph H. Lechner, Ph.D. Professor of Chemistry Mount Vernon Nazarene University 800 Martinsburg Road Mount Vernon, OH 43050 [740] 397-9000 ext 3211 From: Michael & Linda Marmer [mailto:mlmarmer@...] Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 4:01 PM To: Joseph Lechner; Thomas Bianculli; Bill Zide Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Yet Another AFL Problem From: bull_gator_1 Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 12:05 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Yet Another AFL Problem Hi All, I have had my Flyonel 6-48047 Northern sitting stationary on the layout for a couple of weeks. I just started it up to do a few runs around the layout and the back end hops like a frog. One of the rubber bands on the rear driver has disformed and now has a big hump hanging on it. The rest of the rubber band looks mostly ok, so where did this extra material grow from? It is definitely part of the rubber band. Has anyone else experienced this? I guess I'll have to order some replacment rubber bands at some exorbitant price, add in exorbitant shipping/handling and then spend who knows how long replacing the rubber bands. You can check the archives for the other problems I've had with this piece of crap. So far it's spent almost all of it's life either on the display shelf or on the work bench. What a sorry excuse for a locomotive! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64762	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 5/17/2011
Subject: Mauldin (Greenville) SC Show

For those of you who missed it last weekend, the Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers will conclude their two weekend train show in Mauldin, SC (next to Greenville) with shows on Friday (noon until 9 pm) and Saturday (10 am until 9 pm). Admission is free. New features this year include a building demolition, a stand-alone mailbag pickup and delivery, and an automated 2-trolley run with passenger boarding and de-boarding. Also featured are the hand-powered train race (as featured at the recent York TCA Show) and the Thomas the Tank Engine Cab and train layout. There is an NASG table with free literature and old magazines. For the second year, the Piedmont and Southern N Gaugers will also have a layout in operation. Joe  Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer ###################Authorized Lionel Service Center#################### ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@....###########.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64763	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/17/2011
Subject: Reply from a O gauge friend

I have many O gauge friends who feel the same way about Lionel as many of you do. They have problems with their O gauge products too. The below was sent in jest. Mike Mike, You mean there are people actually using their Flyonel? Operation was not part of the design criteria for this locomotive. It was marketed to look like an operating toy locomotive with the right weight, working wheels and a motor but its function was strictly to be a "shelf Queen" and reside permanently in a display case. Silly man for trying to use it for something that it was never intended for!........ LOL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64764	From: richs009	Date: 5/17/2011
Subject: Re: Mauldin (Greenville) SC Show

Joe -- unfortunately (at least in this case) I'm on the opposite side of the country to be able to see the SC show. You mention trolley runs and given the past expressed interest here in S-scale trolleys, do you have an information you could provide on the trolleys? Who makes them or are they all kit-bashed...? Any links to pictures or videos would be helpful too. thanks much, - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> wrote: > > For those of you who missed it last weekend, the Carolinas Division of > the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers will conclude their two weekend train show in > Mauldin, SC (next to Greenville) with shows on Friday (noon until 9 pm) and > Saturday (10 am until 9 pm). Admission is free. New features this year include a > building demolition, a stand-alone mailbag pickup and delivery, and an > automated 2-trolley run with passenger boarding and de-boarding. Also featured > are the hand-powered train race (as featured at the recent York TCA Show) and > the Thomas the Tank Engine Cab and train layout. There is an NASG table with > free literature and old magazines. For the second year, the Piedmont and > Southern N Gaugers will also have a layout in operation. > > Joe >  Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 > 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer > ###################Authorized Lionel Service Center#################### > ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... > American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line > joestrainrepair@...###########.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64765	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/17/2011
Subject: Lionel products

Let's see...You make a product, to marginal standards, your target customer base is collectors who will never run it, and sell it for a high price because of your name recognition. Have I described Lionel well enough? After twenty plus years as a Lionel dealer and Service Station, the shop I used to work for dropped their dealer and service status. They were Lionel and American Flyer collectors all their lives, so it was tough for them to give up. To paraphrase an old car commercial; "It's not your father's Lionel." I will now don my fire retardant suit for the coming attack by Lionel fans..... Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64766	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/17/2011
Subject: New Photos

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1280134535/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=721&count=20&dir=asc I added new photos to my train layout photo album. I added more people to the grandstands at the ball park and at the picnic tables for the Frosty Bar. One figure is Grant Bishop holding up a Giants sign at the ballpark. Grant was kind enough to send me this figure with a few others and a red team pitcher catcher warming up. I have night time photos of the ball park and the streets with lights on. Since I was in the middle of the layout due to the pop up, I got some close ups of the Frosty Bar, Stadium Tavern, as the trash and cats are seen now. I am painting six figures to be ball players on the bench, 4 for the red team and 2 more for the blue team. In one night photos you can see something that could be the moon. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64767	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 5/17/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel products

Stumpy, I relate to the description you provide for Lionel. I think it applies to most of the products they have made for S. But Lionel seems to have a split personality at the moment. In addttion to offering the marginal products at ridiculously high prices on things like Baldwins, boxcars, etc., they also have produced some steam locomotives that may be close to state of the art, at least concerning the electronics. They leave some things to be desired, but I would not describe them as being of marginal quality, especially the new Mikado and Pacific steam locomotives. From all the complaints shared with on on this list, its safe today they still have quality issues even with these new products. And I wish they offered them with the option of scale wheels and scale couplers. Lionel has also ramped up the number of offerings in the American Flyer line. Its actually a little hard for me to see how the collector market alone can be absorbing all of the new product. And most of the product is pretty pricey for operators. Adding a track system including turnouts could have major impacts on the S gauge market, if the delivered track work is of high quality from an operating standpoint. If the track system is a success, I can only speculate on where Lionel will go from there as far as the American Flyer line is concerned. Gosh, I wonder if their trackwork will handle scale flanges? Now that would be a shocker! - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 5/17/2011 12:39:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mrstumpy@... writes: Let's see...You make a product, to marginal standards, your target customer base is collectors who will never run it, and sell it for a high price because of your name recognition. Have I described Lionel well enough? After twenty plus years as a Lionel dealer and Service Station, the shop I used to work for dropped their dealer and service status. They were Lionel and American Flyer collectors all their lives, so it was tough for them to give up. To paraphrase an old car commercial; "It's not your father's Lionel." I will now don my fire retardant suit for the coming attack by Lionel fans..... Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64768	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 5/17/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel products

As usual Stumpy, you are right to the point and oh so correct.   Bob From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 1:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel products   Let's see...You make a product, to marginal standards, your target customer base is collectors who will never run it, and sell it for a high price because of your name recognition. Have I described Lionel well enough? After twenty plus years as a Lionel dealer and Service Station, the shop I used to work for dropped their dealer and service status. They were Lionel and American Flyer collectors all their lives, so it was tough for them to give up. To paraphrase an old car commercial; "It's not your father's Lionel." I will now don my fire retardant suit for the coming attack by Lionel fans..... Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64769	From: nsupbnsf	Date: 5/17/2011
Subject: Plastic People

Model Railroad News just listed information on RMT by Aristro Craft Trains plastic people. Per RMTs web site: "RMT-99418 is a complete set of 48 standing figures called BEEPeople®. These figures are fully painted in an assortment of clothing colors that will enable you to populate your passenger station platforms and buildings to enhance your toy train layout. Each individual BEEPeople® person is hand painted in a realistic/non-shiny finish with full facial features and clothing details that are truly realistic in appearance. The BEEPeople® can be used with most Ready Made Trains/RMT®, Lionel, MTH, Weaver, Atlas, Williams and K-line toy trains and accessories. You are only limited by your imagination! Sold only as set of 48 standing BEEPeople®. 99418 STANDING BEEPeople®$49.95" There is also a similar set of sitting people. DOES anyone know the actual height in inch and fractions of inches (such as 1-1/8 inch), or the S-scale feet (6 feet in this case)? Alan Udy Idaho Falls ID

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64770	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/17/2011
Subject: Re: Plastic People

Here is a link to them for $25 Mike _BEEPEOPLE - MA & PA JUNCTION_ (http://shop.mapajunction.com/category.sc?categoryId=157) In a message dated 5/17/2011 7:59:14 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nsupbnsf@... writes: Model Railroad News just listed information on RMT by Aristro Craft Trains plastic people. Per RMTs web site: "RMT-99418 is a complete set of 48 standing figures called BEEPeople®. These figures are fully painted in an assortment of clothing colors that will enable you to populate your passenger station platforms and buildings to enhance your toy train layout. Each individual BEEPeople® person is hand painted in a realistic/non-shiny finish with full facial features and clothing details that are truly realistic in appearance. The BEEPeople® can be used with most Ready Made Trains/RMT®, Lionel, MTH, Weaver, Atlas, Williams and K-line toy trains and accessories. You are only limited by your imagination! Sold only as set of 48 standing BEEPeople®. 99418 STANDING BEEPeople®$49.95" There is also a similar set of sitting people. DOES anyone know the actual height in inch and fractions of inches (such as 1-1/8 inch), or the S-scale feet (6 feet in this case)? Alan Udy Idaho Falls ID [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64771	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Plastic People

BEEPeople are O scale or 1/4" to the foot. This would make even a FIVE foot figure 1 1/4" tall. S scale is 3/16" to the foot making a six foot figure 1 1/8" tall. So a 1 1/4" figure would be around SEVEN feet tall. A full O scale six footer would be over eight feet tall in S scale. You might also want to consider the size of the figure's width as well as an O scale figure is proportionally bigger that too. Having said that, Ready Made Toys always ran underscale, trying to be more like Lionel 027 than full O scale. You might get away with these if you don't put them near doorways, automobiles, small structures, and S scale items of a known size. "Sitting people" would be less obviously over tall, yet you wouldn't want them sitting on a park bench with an S scale person or try to stuff them in an S scale vehicle. I would also recommend using oversize people in the foreground and S people behind to take advantage of any forced perspective possiblities. (I have even used HO figures, vehilces, and structures in the background of a scene to make it look deeper, but you can't do the opposite!) MTH used to make underscale sitting people for their passebger cars because they made the interiors too small. They were still a bit large for S, but usable. They were availible in 12 figure blister packs or in bags of 100 unpainted figure packs for $29.95. However, the last MTH catalog I saw no longer showed them. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64772	From: Doug Peck	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Re: Plastic People

<<<Here is a link to them for $25 Mike>>> Just as an FYI... The $25 BEEPeople set that Mike refers to is not exactly the same set described in the original posting. It's an older set. And that shop must be closing those sets out, because $25 is well-below wholesale cost. These later $49 (MSRP) sets are new, and just arrived. The standing figures are 1-1/2" to 1-5/8" tall, which makes them 6' to 6'6" tall in S-scale. Definitely larger than Am Models or Arttista figures, but usable and considerably less expensive. The seated figures are great for populating a passenger car, which is the primary reason we carry these. We have 99417 and 99418 in stock, as well as the older 942317. 99417 and 942317 each = 48 seated figures. 99418 = 48 standing figures Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com www.flyerparts.com <http://www.flyerparts.com/> www.sgaugetrains.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64773	From: Jim	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Electromagnetic Crane

Good Morning All - Can someone tell me the difference between the 583 and the 583a Electromagnetic Cranes? Thanks in advance. Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64774	From: Timboy	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jimensign50@...> wrote: > > Good Morning All - > > Can someone tell me the difference between the 583 and the 583a Electromagnetic Cranes? > Thanks in advance. > > Jim E. > Jim, About $10, given both in excellent condition. Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64775	From: ron plyler	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane

583 uses a single button control and a built in reverse unit.  The 583A has a two button control and the action is controled by the buttons directly. --- On Wed, 5/18/11, Jim <jimensign50@...> wrote: From: Jim <jimensign50@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Electromagnetic Crane To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 18, 2011, 12:12 PM   Good Morning All - Can someone tell me the difference between the 583 and the 583a Electromagnetic Cranes? Thanks in advance. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64776	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane

In memory serves me correctly, ( and lately it hasn't LOL ) 583 doesn't have the metal shed, where the 583a has a shed attached to the base Rich in Cleveland >________________________________ >From: Jim <jimensign50@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 12:12 PM >Subject: [S-Trains] Electromagnetic Crane > > >  >Good Morning All - > >Can someone tell me the difference between the 583 and the 583a Electromagnetic Cranes? >Thanks in advance. > >Jim E. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64777	From: Timboy	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jimensign50@...> wrote: > > Good Morning All - > > Can someone tell me the difference between the 583 and the 583a Electromagnetic Cranes? > Thanks in advance. > > Jim E. > Jim, The 583A has a 2-button controller. I believe one button energizes the magnet on the pick-up arc, while the other button doesn't on the return arc. IMHO, the 583A is the more desirable version, although I don't see why the 583 couldn't have it's wiring altered to work the way a 583A does, given one has either a 2-button controller or 2 buttons to use for it. OBTW, it was made in America. lol Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64778	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane

I was right memory is failing, I believe 583 is 1 button, 583a is the latter 2 button I remember buying my 583, trying it for the 1st time and the solenoid started smoking from age Rich >________________________________ >From: Jim <jimensign50@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 12:12 PM >Subject: [S-Trains] Electromagnetic Crane > > >  >Good Morning All - > >Can someone tell me the difference between the 583 and the 583a Electromagnetic Cranes? >Thanks in advance. > >Jim E. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64779	From: richs009	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane - rebuild?

Jim -- I think others have already answered your question - 583 = 1 button; 583A = two button. Somewhere in the sequence of either, the electromagnet kicks in/out (I don't that answer). I have a different crane question for the group. I recently obtained one of these on eBay that's in pretty good shape - I am considering rebuilding the motor and or controller so that one can control the rotation direction, the raising/lowering of the hook/magnet and turning on/off the electromagnet all independently. I think that's five buttons. I recall seeing one of Lionel's versions of an electromagnetic crane with four buttons and one, I even more vaguely remember, having 'levers' instead of buttons for some of the control functions. In any event, does anyone out there have any experience at this or perhaps know of an article or something in one of the model RR magazines? I've thought about looking at the lever action controllers sometimes seen on RC cars or planes... thanks, Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jimensign50@...> wrote: > > Good Morning All - > > Can someone tell me the difference between the 583 and the 583a Electromagnetic Cranes? > Thanks in advance. > > Jim E. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64780	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane

that's a more defined answer to my second post. Ron is correct Rich >________________________________ >From: ron plyler <ron_tallyho@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 1:28 PM >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Electromagnetic Crane > > >  >583 uses a single button control and a built in reverse unit.  The 583A has a two button control and the action is controled by the buttons directly. > >--- On Wed, 5/18/11, Jim <jimensign50@...> wrote: > >From: Jim <jimensign50@...> >Subject: [S-Trains] Electromagnetic Crane >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Date: Wednesday, May 18, 2011, 12:12 PM > >  > >Good Morning All - > >Can someone tell me the difference between the 583 and the 583a Electromagnetic Cranes? > >Thanks in advance. > >Jim E. > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64781	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Layout Visitor

Linda has a tour of a new Wegman’s opening up in Frederick, MD as she is a dietician. If you never have been to or do not know what a Wegman’s is, it has to be one of the best grocery store chains I have ever been to. They are headquartered in Rochester NY, with many stores in NY and PA, plus other states, like MD, VA, NJ, MA. She is driving up to Frederick with another dietician as her co workers know about the layout. They stopped at the house, to park and car and get a tour of the trains and milk bottles. She was very impressed with the bottles, but really liked the layout and the collection of trains on the wall. She did not have much time for me to go into great detail about things, but I invited her back. So, I think tomorrow, this might be the talk of the day at Linda’s work, as yes, anyone is welcome to come by and see the layout. So, showing your trains to people does make a impact and hopefully might in turn get people into the hobby. Turns out her husband worked for a RR for some time. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64782	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Re: S-Fest cars

Does anyone know if the fall S-Fest car(s) have been announced? I could not find any mention of them on the St. Louis S gaugers web site. Roy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64783	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Failed AFL Northern Rubber Tire - Photos

Hi All, I posted some photos of the failed rubber tire here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/117711802/pic/list The interesting thing is that after sitting for a couple of days, the tire resumed it's original shape and the "hump" was gone. I put the engine back on the layout, gave it some power and just about 12 inches down the track it was jumping again and the "hump" was back. I have found the replacement rubber bands that came with this clunker plus I've ordered four more. Maybe these will keep it running long enough to make a full loop around the layout!!!! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64784	From: Jim	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Electro Crane

Thanks to all that responded to my question on the differences of the magnetic cranes. Since no button came with my junker, I think my first move will be to see what works and what doesn't and build my own controller. Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64785	From: zemouse2001	Date: 5/18/2011
Subject: Re: Failed AFL Northern Rubber Tire - Photos

Holy Smokes! Those pictures really show the problem. I originally thought it was a 'little' bump but what you have is a total failure of the band. I would send those on to Lionel - that is NOT normal at all and they should not have failed in that way. I would not accept anything less than some acknowledgement from Lionel about the serious nature of this problem. If an email with attachments is not accepted by the Customer Service department then send them a letter with a couple of copies of the photos. Having the pictures here is a good start. Bottom line: not acceptable. Bob Groh, Blue Springs, Missouir

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64786	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: Re: Failed AFL Northern Rubber Tire - Photos

Hi: Tx for the photos - one can see why the engine would 'hop'. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) ps I haven't had this problem with the AM 4-8-4. On 5/19/2011 2:43 AM, bull_gator_1 wrote: > > Hi All, > > I posted some photos of the failed rubber tire here: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/117711802/pic/list > > The interesting thing is that after sitting for a couple of days, the > tire resumed it's original shape and the "hump" was gone. I put the > engine back on the layout, gave it some power and just about 12 inches > down the track it was jumping again and the "hump" was back. > > I have found the replacement rubber bands that came with this clunker > plus I've ordered four more. Maybe these will keep it running long > enough to make a full loop around the layout!!!! > > BG1 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64787	From: rj4010d	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane

To operate the crane without buttons get a project box or electric box .Use a double pole,double throw,center off toggle switch & power the magnet on the up cycle only.This is if you know the wiring of the flyer steam motors.Good for adults & kids to operate ,just remember to not rotate more than 180 degrees. Bob G. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jimensign50@...> wrote: > > Good Morning All - > > Can someone tell me the difference between the 583 and the 583a Electromagnetic Cranes? > Thanks in advance. > > Jim E. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64788	From: sscale@bestweb.net	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: Re: Failed AFL Northern Rubber Tire - Photos

> Holy Smokes! Those pictures really show the problem. I originally thought > it was a 'little' bump but what you have is a total failure of the band.   Ozone degradation is a well-known issue occurring in substandard neoprene. Depending on the chemistry, the material may soften into goo. In other cases, you get this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_cracking Stan Stokrocki [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64789	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane

That's exactly the switch I had in mind. When you say not to rotate more than 180 degrees... Does the original switch have some sort of limiting action or is that why I see a string running from the platform to the cabin in some pictures that seems to be there to limit the travel or rotation? Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rj4010d" <bjg@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 5:39:13 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Electromagnetic Crane To operate the crane without buttons get a project box or electric box .Use a double pole,double throw,center off toggle switch & power the magnet on the up cycle only.This is if you know the wiring of the flyer steam motors.Good for adults & kids to operate ,just remember to not rotate more than 180 degrees. Bob G. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , "Jim" <jimensign50@...> wrote: > > Good Morning All - > > Can someone tell me the difference between the 583 and the 583a Electromagnetic Cranes? > Thanks in advance. > > Jim E. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64790	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane

The --- On Thu, 5/19/11, jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> wrote: From: jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Electromagnetic Crane To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 9:50 AM   That's exactly the switch I had in mind. When you say not to rotate more than 180 degrees... Does the original switch have some sort of limiting action or is that why I see a string running from the platform to the cabin in some pictures that seems to be there to limit the travel or rotation? Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rj4010d" <bjg@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 5:39:13 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Electromagnetic Crane To operate the crane without buttons get a project box or electric box .Use a double pole,double throw,center off toggle switch & power the magnet on the up cycle only.This is if you know the wiring of the flyer steam motors.Good for adults & kids to operate ,just remember to not rotate more than 180 degrees. Bob G. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , "Jim" <jimensign50@...> wrote: > > Good Morning All - > > Can someone tell me the difference between the 583 and the 583a Electromagnetic Cranes? > Thanks in advance. > > Jim E. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64791	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane

The string is the limiting factor.... As the crane revolves the string pulls the magnet up or lets it down...... Simple mechanical movement..... Bob Conner --- On Thu, 5/19/11, jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> wrote: From: jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Electromagnetic Crane To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 9:50 AM   That's exactly the switch I had in mind. When you say not to rotate more than 180 degrees... Does the original switch have some sort of limiting action or is that why I see a string running from the platform to the cabin in some pictures that seems to be there to limit the travel or rotation? Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rj4010d" <bjg@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 5:39:13 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Electromagnetic Crane To operate the crane without buttons get a project box or electric box .Use a double pole,double throw,center off toggle switch & power the magnet on the up cycle only.This is if you know the wiring of the flyer steam motors.Good for adults & kids to operate ,just remember to not rotate more than 180 degrees. Bob G. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com , "Jim" <jimensign50@...> wrote: > > Good Morning All - > > Can someone tell me the difference between the 583 and the 583a Electromagnetic Cranes? > Thanks in advance. > > Jim E. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64792	From: SMMW	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: S scale 44-tonner CAD images now viewable

I just completed the last few patterns for the upcoming 44-ton GE, Phase IVa/b. Go to this link to view CAD images of the completed model: http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/S_scale.html Patterns were just ordered; will be here by next Wednesday. Production will commence the following week and shipments made the week after that (by mid-June). While awaiting those patterns, the Phase Ia/c design will begin. Despite several production years and changes between the two phases, there are many common features that will help reduce the design time for the 2nd model. If you have not ordered either model version, you have until production is completed (MID-JUNE AT THE LATEST) to get an 11th hour order to me. Kit options are listed on the referenced web page; payment options are shown on a separate web page. Contact me off-list to order, ask questions, etc. Once production is completed, the patterns and molds will be stored indefinitely; no more kits will be produced after this one-and-only run. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. Ph. (828) 777-5619 <www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64793	From: rick gough	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: Re: Electro Crane

I had the same issue with no comtroller with my 583A project. It worked out for the best as Radio Shack finally provides something; just the perfect toggles and control box. I mention toggles because you can add a nice improvement to the operation of the crane. The double throw toggle gives you left and right operation only. The second toggle is a lighted red version and switches separate power off and on to the electromagnet. Thus you can have your crane turn at a realistic speed on say 12 - 14v, but you can power up the magnet to the max with 18 - 20v, as well as position the magnet exactly where you want it before dropping a load into a gondola. The crane is much more versatile this way. You have to do minor rewiring up in the cab. While doing it you could also add a red light in the cab to come on with the magnet. This is a feature of the much more sophisticated Lionel cranes of '48 back to pre-war, of which I have two operating on my layout and they are pretty intertaining and easily the best accessory the Big 'L' ever came up with rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64794	From: Manderman@comcast.net	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: Re: Extra S Helper items for sale.

Eric, The cars arrived safe and sound. The bonus cars are always fun too. The Williy's may just go on my layout at the beach... in front of the Frosty Bar. The Tesla will go in my wife's "Prize Box" at school. She is a teacher and the kids get to select a Prize when they reach certain reading goals. She is always looking for "boy" prizes.... The car will go quickly. Thanks again Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric" <ericrhere@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 2:07:06 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Extra S Helper items for sale. I shipped it out this morning, USPS Priority, It should be there early in the week. eric On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Eric < ericrhere@... > wrote: > Mark: done.3 hopper, $75. Paypal works as previous. Eric > On May 10, 2011 10:08 PM, < Manderman@... > wrote: > > Eric, > > > > If still available...I can offer $75.00 plus shipping for Items 3 and 4. > > > > Let me know. > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Eric" < ericrhere@... > > > To: s-scale@yahoogroups.com , S-trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, May 8, 2011 8:45:59 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Extra S Helper items for sale. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have an extra Locomotive and 4 extra cars for sale. I figured I would > > give the people on the list a shot prior to Ebaying them. > > > > Item 1: S Helper F7A Loco in ASTF Passenger Scheme. This is a > > single silver and Red engine. I purchased this unit from SHS, It was one > > of their demo show units. As such it is painted all silver without the > > chrome on the sides from the production units. Otherwise it looks > identical > > to the production units and is number 37. It is DC with scale wheels and > > Kadee couplers but I will include the knuckle coupler frames and screws, > > front coupler hole plug, and the high rail wheels. I have baseically only > > > test run this unit since I got it about 2-3 years ago. It runs fine. I > > paid $299. and will let it go for $250 or an offer plus shipping and > > insurance. (about $12). Here is the SHS web picture. I do not have a box > > but have the foam insert for shipping. > > http://www.showcaseline.com/Archived_product_pages/images/00928.ATSF.jpg > > > > Item #2: Frisco "rebuilt" Box car Brown with Tan sides 01135 "Superior > > service" Car is new but not in its original box. Set up as High-rail with > > > knuckles, and will include scale wheels. $40 or best offer plus shipping. > > > > > item #3 Pair of Pennsylvania 2 bay Hoppers. slightly used in their boxes > > 257701 and 257781, off white color. logo in center slightly used but look > > > near mint condition.$60 plus shipping or offer. > > > > Item #4: Pennsylvania 2 bay hopper, light gray color # 257862 logo in > > upper left, slightly used in its box $30 plus shipping or offer. > > > > Thanks for looking > > > > Eric Reis > > Kenmore, Wa. > > "er099" on ebay for reference also a 25 year TCA mamber. > > > > Items are being sold as-is and cannot be returned. I can forward pictures > > > of the actual items if needed. paypal or checks work. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64795	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: Re: Failed AFL Northern Rubber Tire - Photos

MTH make many sizes of rubber tires for their engines. I have found that one of their smaller ones does very well on AF 0-8-0s. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, May 18, 2011 9:52 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Failed AFL Northern Rubber Tire - Photos Hi All, I posted some photos of the failed rubber tire here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/117711802/pic/list The interesting thing is that after sitting for a couple of days, the tire resumed it's original shape and the "hump" was gone. I put the engine back on the layout, gave it some power and just about 12 inches down the track it was jumping again and the "hump" was back. I have found the replacement rubber bands that came with this clunker plus I've ordered four more. Maybe these will keep it running long enough to make a full loop around the layout!!!! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64796	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: 342 engine

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 A O gauge friend sent me this link, as yes, the engine is sitting on O gauge track just for the photo. I am not interested in the engine, but is this the 1946 or 47 model, as some say it is altered. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64797	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: Re: Failed AFL Northern Rubber Tire - Photos

I too had this recuring problem with Lionel tires that for no good reason just turn to mush , So out of despiration I went to the local True Value hardware store and found they have quite a selection of SQUARE CUT O rings that are made of neoprene and that took care of the problem . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64798	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: Re: Electro Crane

Makes sense to me! Thanks for the tip! Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rick gough" <racin510@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 3:35:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Electro Crane I had the same issue with no comtroller with my 583A project. It worked out for the best as Radio Shack finally provides something; just the perfect toggles and control box. I mention toggles because you can add a nice improvement to the operation of the crane. The double throw toggle gives you left and right operation only. The second toggle is a lighted red version and switches separate power off and on to the electromagnet. Thus you can have your crane turn at a realistic speed on say 12 - 14v, but you can power up the magnet to the max with 18 - 20v, as well as position the magnet exactly where you want it before dropping a load into a gondola. The crane is much more versatile this way. You have to do minor rewiring up in the cab. While doing it you could also add a red light in the cab to come on with the magnet. This is a feature of the much more sophisticated Lionel cranes of '48 back to pre-war, of which I have two operating on my layout and they are pretty intertaining and easily the best accessory the Big 'L' ever came up with rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64799	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine

The tender appears to be a 1948 (by the brass coupler weight), but that could have been changed. The "American Flyer Lines" lettering seems to have been removed. Or it is a 1946 tender with a changed out coupler. Interesting in any case. Steve In a message dated 5/19/2011 8:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName= ADME:B:SS:US:1123_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123) A O gauge friend sent me this link, as yes, the engine is sitting on O gauge track just for the photo. I am not interested in the engine, but is this the 1946 or 47 model, as some say it is altered. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64800	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/19/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine #2

Wait a minute! It couldn't be a 1946 tender either since only the words NICKLE PLATE ROAD were printed ALONG the sides. No logo. My conclusion is that it is a 1947 or 48. Most likely a 1948 a with lettering removed. What say all the experts out there? Steve In a message dated 5/19/2011 8:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName= ADME:B:SS:US:1123_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123) A O gauge friend sent me this link, as yes, the engine is sitting on O gauge track just for the photo. I am not interested in the engine, but is this the 1946 or 47 model, as some say it is altered. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64801	From: Dale Smith	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine #2

I looked at the photos again and I think it is most likely a 47 with the lettering removed, based on lack of buttons, hex valve gear rivets and coupler. I simply couldn't identify a brass coupler weight in any of the photos. In one photo there is a circular piece of metal at the coupler, but I think it is too far back to be the weight and is actually the end of the link pin. I know from checking my Greenberg Guide (by Joe Deger) that there were some 48's that had smoke in tender, like this one, but without a better view of the coupler, I would be hard pressed to call it a 48. Dale On 5/19/2011 8:26 PM, boss31@... wrote: > > Wait a minute! It couldn't be a 1946 tender either since only the words > NICKLE PLATE ROAD were printed ALONG the sides. No logo. My conclusion is > that it is a 1947 or 48. Most likely a 1948 a with lettering removed. > > What say all the experts out there? > Steve > > > In a message dated 5/19/2011 8:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > mlmarmer@... <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> writes: > > _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName= > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=> > ADME:B:SS:US:1123_ > (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123>) > > > A O gauge friend sent me this link, as yes, the engine is sitting on O > gauge track just for the photo. > > I am not interested in the engine, but is this the 1946 or 47 model, as > some say it is altered. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64802	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine #2A

The T&M guide has it listed as a 1946....There was no lettering on the side. Nickel Plate Road was printed on the upper corner In a message dated 5/19/2011 11:28:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, boss31@... writes: Wait a minute! It couldn't be a 1946 tender either since only the words NICKLE PLATE ROAD were printed ALONG the sides. No logo. My conclusion is that it is a 1947 or 48. Most likely a 1948 a with lettering removed. What say all the experts out there? Steve In a message dated 5/19/2011 8:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, _mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:mlmarmer@...) writes: __http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName =_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=) ADME:B:SS:US:1123_ (_http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName =ADME:B:SS:US:1123_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123) ) A O gauge friend sent me this link, as yes, the engine is sitting on O gauge track just for the photo. I am not interested in the engine, but is this the 1946 or 47 model, as some say it is altered. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64803	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine #2

Anyone else notice it was a SIT? Mike In a message dated 5/19/2011 11:28:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, boss31@... writes: Wait a minute! It couldn't be a 1946 tender either since only the words NICKLE PLATE ROAD were printed ALONG the sides. No logo. My conclusion is that it is a 1947 or 48. Most likely a 1948 a with lettering removed. What say all the experts out there? Steve In a message dated 5/19/2011 8:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, _mlmarmer@..._ (mailto:mlmarmer@...) writes: __http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName =_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=) ADME:B:SS:US:1123_ (_http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName =ADME:B:SS:US:1123_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123) ) A O gauge friend sent me this link, as yes, the engine is sitting on O gauge track just for the photo. I am not interested in the engine, but is this the 1946 or 47 model, as some say it is altered. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64804	From: Timboy	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: Re: Electro Crane

Guys: Here is how I jerry-rigged my Crane to operate: http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2011/04/penn-recycling-crane-loading-scrap.html Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64805	From: R	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine

This is a smoke in tender 342 produced in 1947. In 1948 AC Gilbert moved the smoke unit to the boiler. The brass weight on the link coupler would indicate 1947 production. In 1948 the weight became blacken steel. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > The tender appears to be a 1948 (by the brass coupler weight), but that > could have been changed. The "American Flyer Lines" lettering seems to have > been removed. Or it is a 1946 tender with a changed out coupler. Interesting > in any case. > > Steve > > > In a message dated 5/19/2011 8:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > mlmarmer@... writes: > > > > > _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName= > ADME:B:SS:US:1123_ > (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123) > > A O gauge friend sent me this link, as yes, the engine is sitting on O > gauge track just for the photo. > > I am not interested in the engine, but is this the 1946 or 47 model, as > some say it is altered. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64806	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine

Sorry.... Brass 1948!!!! ..... Steel 1949!!!!!! ... Bob --- On Fri, 5/20/11, R <keyhole_corona@...> wrote: From: R <keyhole_corona@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 342 engine To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 20, 2011, 7:47 AM   This is a smoke in tender 342 produced in 1947. In 1948 AC Gilbert moved the smoke unit to the boiler. The brass weight on the link coupler would indicate 1947 production. In 1948 the weight became blacken steel. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > The tender appears to be a 1948 (by the brass coupler weight), but that > could have been changed. The "American Flyer Lines" lettering seems to have > been removed. Or it is a 1946 tender with a changed out coupler. Interesting > in any case. > > Steve > > > In a message dated 5/19/2011 8:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > mlmarmer@... writes: > > > > > _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName= > ADME:B:SS:US:1123_ > (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123) > > A O gauge friend sent me this link, as yes, the engine is sitting on O > gauge track just for the photo. > > I am not interested in the engine, but is this the 1946 or 47 model, as > some say it is altered. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64807	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: 583 crane

A while back I picked up a different 583A crane. Instead of a magnet, it was fitted with a clam shell from the seaboard coal loader. Seller claimed it was a prototype from the factory. It was kind of rough and does not work that great but it looks neat.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64808	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: Prices

I thought these were hard times. I see someone paid 151.00 for a 948 track cleaner and a 930 caboose. On my watch list, someone paid $898.00 for a 470 A-B-A. The irony was that the day before, one that was claimed to be mint and unrun went for $305.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64809	From: Larry Moore	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine #2

Looking in Doyle’s catalogue, it does say that a 342 Type 1, was lettered Nickel Plate only. I see no reason why this could not be a ’46 Type1 SIT. Am I wrong? Larry From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale Smith Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 4:31 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 342 engine #2 I looked at the photos again and I think it is most likely a 47 with the lettering removed, based on lack of buttons, hex valve gear rivets and coupler. I simply couldn't identify a brass coupler weight in any of the photos. In one photo there is a circular piece of metal at the coupler, but I think it is too far back to be the weight and is actually the end of the link pin. I know from checking my Greenberg Guide (by Joe Deger) that there were some 48's that had smoke in tender, like this one, but without a better view of the coupler, I would be hard pressed to call it a 48. Dale On 5/19/2011 8:26 PM, boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> wrote: > > Wait a minute! It couldn't be a 1946 tender either since only the words > NICKLE PLATE ROAD were printed ALONG the sides. No logo. My conclusion is > that it is a 1947 or 48. Most likely a 1948 a with lettering removed. > > What say all the experts out there? > Steve > > > In a message dated 5/19/2011 8:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > mlmarmer@... <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> writes: > > _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=> &item=230623385925&ssPageName= > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=> &item=230623385925&ssPageName=> > ADME:B:SS:US:1123_ > (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123> &item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123> &item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123>) > > > A O gauge friend sent me this link, as yes, the engine is sitting on O > gauge track just for the photo. > > I am not interested in the engine, but is this the 1946 or 47 model, as > some say it is altered. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64810	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine #2

Hi Larry, There were no production runs of 342's or 332's in 1946. In 1947 332's were very scarce and there weren't a lot of 342's. Most 1947 342's were DC with smoke in tender. 1947 Link Couplers had no weights. 1948 Link Couplers has brass weights. A 1946 342 would also have brass buttons in the frame and would be extremely rare. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Larry Moore <mo2337@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, May 20, 2011 11:09:10 AM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 342 engine #2 Looking in Doyle’s catalogue, it does say that a 342 Type 1, was lettered Nickel Plate only. I see no reason why this could not be a ’46 Type1 SIT. Am I wrong? Larry From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale Smith Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 4:31 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 342 engine #2 I looked at the photos again and I think it is most likely a 47 with the lettering removed, based on lack of buttons, hex valve gear rivets and coupler. I simply couldn't identify a brass coupler weight in any of the photos. In one photo there is a circular piece of metal at the coupler, but I think it is too far back to be the weight and is actually the end of the link pin. I know from checking my Greenberg Guide (by Joe Deger) that there were some 48's that had smoke in tender, like this one, but without a better view of the coupler, I would be hard pressed to call it a 48. Dale On 5/19/2011 8:26 PM, boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> wrote: > > Wait a minute! It couldn't be a 1946 tender either since only the words > NICKLE PLATE ROAD were printed ALONG the sides. No logo. My conclusion is > that it is a 1947 or 48. Most likely a 1948 a with lettering removed. > > What say all the experts out there? > Steve > > > In a message dated 5/19/2011 8:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > mlmarmer@... <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> ><mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> writes: > > _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem ><http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=> >&item=230623385925&ssPageName= > > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem ><http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=> >&item=230623385925&ssPageName=> > ADME:B:SS:US:1123_ >(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123> >> &item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 > > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem ><http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123> > &item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123>) > > > > A O gauge friend sent me this link, as yes, the engine is sitting on O > gauge track just for the photo. > > I am not interested in the engine, but is this the 1946 or 47 model, as > some say it is altered. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64811	From: Major	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine #2

Since most smoke in tender 342 were made in 1947 it is probably a 1947 made locomotive. 1947 locomotives had a brass weight on the link coupler that was changed to a blacken steel weight for 1948 and beyond. Without seeing the coupler or knowing if it was original or not there is no way to be certain. Inside many locomotives you will find a date stamp when it was made. If that stamp is still there it will give you the information you seek! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: > > Looking in Doyle’s catalogue, it does say that a 342 Type 1, was lettered Nickel Plate only. I see no reason why this could not be a ’46 Type1 SIT. Am I wrong? Larry > > > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale Smith > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 4:31 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 342 engine #2 > > > > > > I looked at the photos again and I think it is most likely a 47 with the > lettering removed, based on lack of buttons, hex valve gear rivets and > coupler. I simply couldn't identify a brass coupler weight in any of > the photos. In one photo there is a circular piece of metal at the > coupler, but I think it is too far back to be the weight and is actually > the end of the link pin. I know from checking my Greenberg Guide (by > Joe Deger) that there were some 48's that had smoke in tender, like this > one, but without a better view of the coupler, I would be hard pressed > to call it a 48. > > Dale > > On 5/19/2011 8:26 PM, boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> wrote: > > > > Wait a minute! It couldn't be a 1946 tender either since only the words > > NICKLE PLATE ROAD were printed ALONG the sides. No logo. My conclusion is > > that it is a 1947 or 48. Most likely a 1948 a with lettering removed. > > > > What say all the experts out there? > > Steve > > > > > > In a message dated 5/19/2011 8:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > > mlmarmer@... <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> writes: > > > > _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=> &item=230623385925&ssPageName= > > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=> &item=230623385925&ssPageName=> > > ADME:B:SS:US:1123_ > > (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123> &item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 > > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123> &item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123>) > > > > > > A O gauge friend sent me this link, as yes, the engine is sitting on O > > gauge track just for the photo. > > > > I am not interested in the engine, but is this the 1946 or 47 model, as > > some say it is altered. > > > > Mike > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64812	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine #2

Don't forget, the 1946 had a see through engine chassis. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc   --- On Fri, 5/20/11, Major <keyhole_corona@...> wrote: From: Major <keyhole_corona@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 342 engine #2 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 20, 2011, 1:09 PM   Since most smoke in tender 342 were made in 1947 it is probably a 1947 made locomotive. 1947 locomotives had a brass weight on the link coupler that was changed to a blacken steel weight for 1948 and beyond. Without seeing the coupler or knowing if it was original or not there is no way to be certain. Inside many locomotives you will find a date stamp when it was made. If that stamp is still there it will give you the information you seek! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: > > Looking in Doyle’s catalogue, it does say that a 342 Type 1, was lettered Nickel Plate only. I see no reason why this could not be a ’46 Type1 SIT. Am I wrong? Larry > > > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale Smith > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 4:31 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 342 engine #2 > > > > > > I looked at the photos again and I think it is most likely a 47 with the > lettering removed, based on lack of buttons, hex valve gear rivets and > coupler. I simply couldn't identify a brass coupler weight in any of > the photos. In one photo there is a circular piece of metal at the > coupler, but I think it is too far back to be the weight and is actually > the end of the link pin. I know from checking my Greenberg Guide (by > Joe Deger) that there were some 48's that had smoke in tender, like this > one, but without a better view of the coupler, I would be hard pressed > to call it a 48. > > Dale > > On 5/19/2011 8:26 PM, boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> wrote: > > > > Wait a minute! It couldn't be a 1946 tender either since only the words > > NICKLE PLATE ROAD were printed ALONG the sides. No logo. My conclusion is > > that it is a 1947 or 48. Most likely a 1948 a with lettering removed. > > > > What say all the experts out there? > > Steve > > > > > > In a message dated 5/19/2011 8:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > > mlmarmer@... <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> writes: > > > > _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=> &item=230623385925&ssPageName= > > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=> &item=230623385925&ssPageName=> > > ADME:B:SS:US:1123_ > > (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123> &item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 > > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123> &item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123>) > > > > > > A O gauge friend sent me this link, as yes, the engine is sitting on O > > gauge track just for the photo. > > > > I am not interested in the engine, but is this the 1946 or 47 model, as > > some say it is altered. > > > > Mike > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64813	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: Re: Prices

They ARE hard times. Even during the Great Depression, which people tell me was greater than our current Great Recession, people bought Lionel Standard Gauge trains, American Flyer Standard Gauge trains, Ives, etc. We have about 10% unemployed (officially-your mileage may vary) so that must mean that 90% (give or take) may have jobs or be independently wealthy. And some of them apparently have discretionary income. Roy From: ron_tallyho <ron_tallyho@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 14:41:33 +0000 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Prices I thought these were hard times. I see someone paid 151.00 for a 948 track cleaner and a 930 caboose. On my watch list, someone paid $898.00 for a 470 A-B-A. The irony was that the day before, one that was claimed to be mint and unrun went for $305.00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64814	From: richs009	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: Re: Prices

Didn't an ad starring Andre Agassi use the phrase "timing...is everything"? -- applies to a lot a situations, including stuff on eBay. Don't recall what the ad was selling -- Canon DSLR's? - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ron_tallyho" <ron_tallyho@...> wrote: > > I thought these were hard times. I see someone paid 151.00 for a 948 track cleaner and a 930 caboose. On my watch list, someone paid $898.00 for a 470 A-B-A. The irony was that the day before, one that was claimed to be mint and unrun went for $305.00 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64815	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 5/20/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine #2

Wasn't the production run on the 342 that came out in 1952 limited to 1 or 2 production runs? I know this version did not have a square Nickel Plate Herald in the corner, it only said AMERICAN FLYER in bold. Any idea on current value of this version? Rich >________________________________ >From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 11:53 AM >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 342 engine #2 > > >  >Hi Larry, >There were no production runs of 342's or 332's in 1946. In >1947 332's were very scarce and there weren't a lot of 342's. Most 1947 342's >were DC with smoke in tender. 1947 Link Couplers had no weights. 1948 Link >Couplers has brass weights. A 1946 342 would also have brass buttons in the >frame and would be extremely rare. > >Tom Seccia > >________________________________ >From: Larry Moore <mo2337@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Fri, May 20, 2011 11:09:10 AM >Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 342 engine #2 > >Looking in Doyle’s catalogue, it does say that a 342 Type 1, was lettered Nickel >Plate only. I see no reason why this could not be a ’46 Type1 SIT. Am I wrong? >Larry > >From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of >Dale Smith >Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 4:31 AM >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 342 engine #2 > >I looked at the photos again and I think it is most likely a 47 with the >lettering removed, based on lack of buttons, hex valve gear rivets and >coupler. I simply couldn't identify a brass coupler weight in any of >the photos. In one photo there is a circular piece of metal at the >coupler, but I think it is too far back to be the weight and is actually >the end of the link pin. I know from checking my Greenberg Guide (by >Joe Deger) that there were some 48's that had smoke in tender, like this >one, but without a better view of the coupler, I would be hard pressed >to call it a 48. > >Dale > >On 5/19/2011 8:26 PM, boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> wrote: >> >> Wait a minute! It couldn't be a 1946 tender either since only the words >> NICKLE PLATE ROAD were printed ALONG the sides. No logo. My conclusion is >> that it is a 1947 or 48. Most likely a 1948 a with lettering removed. >> >> What say all the experts out there? >> Steve >> >> >> In a message dated 5/19/2011 8:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, >> mlmarmer@... <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> >><mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> writes: >> >> _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem >><http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=> >>&item=230623385925&ssPageName= >> >> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem >><http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=> >>&item=230623385925&ssPageName=> >> ADME:B:SS:US:1123_ >>(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123> >>> &item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 >> >> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem >><http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123> >> &item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123>) >> >> >> >> A O gauge friend sent me this link, as yes, the engine is sitting on O >> gauge track just for the photo. >> >> I am not interested in the engine, but is this the 1946 or 47 model, as >> some say it is altered. >> >> Mike >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64816	From: afjerryk5	Date: 5/21/2011
Subject: Brass weights

My 1949 314AW set came with brass weights on all of the cars.Got it new for Christmas 1949. Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64817	From: Dave	Date: 5/21/2011
Subject: 4 Wheel Trailing Truck (Semi-Universal)

We are now offering a Semi-Universal 4 wheel trailing truck that fits both the pre-1966 "PACIFIC & HUDSON" engines. For those of you that are interested please use the link below to view the item: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64818	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/21/2011
Subject: Re: Brass weights

The cars were most likely left over from 1948 production. There is quite a bit of that out ther,e as Gilbert was a waste not type of person. 1948 had brass coupler weights. 1949 had black. Steve In a message dated 5/21/2011 6:01:52 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, afjerryk5@... writes: My 1949 314AW set came with brass weights on all of the cars.Got it new for Christmas 1949. Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64819	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/21/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine #2

1947 Link Coupler had no weights. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Major <keyhole_corona@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, May 20, 2011 1:09:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 342 engine #2 Since most smoke in tender 342 were made in 1947 it is probably a 1947 made locomotive. 1947 locomotives had a brass weight on the link coupler that was changed to a blacken steel weight for 1948 and beyond. Without seeing the coupler or knowing if it was original or not there is no way to be certain. Inside many locomotives you will find a date stamp when it was made. If that stamp is still there it will give you the information you seek! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: > > Looking in Doyle’s catalogue, it does say that a 342 Type 1, was lettered >Nickel Plate only. I see no reason why this could not be a ’46 Type1 SIT. Am I >wrong? Larry > > > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of >Dale Smith > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 4:31 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 342 engine #2 > > > > > > I looked at the photos again and I think it is most likely a 47 with the > lettering removed, based on lack of buttons, hex valve gear rivets and > coupler. I simply couldn't identify a brass coupler weight in any of > the photos. In one photo there is a circular piece of metal at the > coupler, but I think it is too far back to be the weight and is actually > the end of the link pin. I know from checking my Greenberg Guide (by > Joe Deger) that there were some 48's that had smoke in tender, like this > one, but without a better view of the coupler, I would be hard pressed > to call it a 48. > > Dale > > On 5/19/2011 8:26 PM, boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com> wrote: > > > > Wait a minute! It couldn't be a 1946 tender either since only the words > > NICKLE PLATE ROAD were printed ALONG the sides. No logo. My conclusion is > > that it is a 1947 or 48. Most likely a 1948 a with lettering removed. > > > > What say all the experts out there? > > Steve > > > > > > In a message dated 5/19/2011 8:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > > mlmarmer@... <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> >writes: > > > > _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem ><http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=> >&item=230623385925&ssPageName= > > > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem ><http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=> >&item=230623385925&ssPageName=> > > ADME:B:SS:US:1123_ > > >(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123> > &item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 > > > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem ><http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123> > &item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123>) > > > > > > > A O gauge friend sent me this link, as yes, the engine is sitting on O > > gauge track just for the photo. > > > > I am not interested in the engine, but is this the 1946 or 47 model, as > > some say it is altered. > > > > Mike > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64820	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 5/21/2011
Subject: Re: Brass weights

I have a engine, it's a 1949, but with the brass weight factory installed not replaced. I figured they just put the brass coupler on to use up old inventory, then move on to the 49 coupler as we know it Rich >________________________________ >From: "boss31@..." <boss31@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 2:00 PM >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Brass weights > > >  >The cars were most likely left over from 1948 production. There is quite a >bit of that out ther,e as Gilbert was a waste not type of person. 1948 had >brass coupler weights. 1949 had black. >Steve > > >In a message dated 5/21/2011 6:01:52 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, >afjerryk5@... writes: > >My 1949 314AW set came with brass weights on all of the cars.Got it new for >Christmas 1949. >Jerry > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64821	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 5/21/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine #2

Ditto to that Tom. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sat, May 21, 2011 3:25 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 342 engine #2 1947 Link Coupler had no weights. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Major <keyhole_corona@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, May 20, 2011 1:09:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 342 engine #2 Since most smoke in tender 342 were made in 1947 it is probably a 1947 made locomotive. 1947 locomotives had a brass weight on the link coupler that was changed to a blacken steel weight for 1948 and beyond. Without seeing the coupler or knowing if it was original or not there is no way to be certain. Inside many locomotives you will find a date stamp when it was made. If that stamp is still there it will give you the information you seek! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: > > Looking in Doyle’s catalogue, it does say that a 342 Type 1, was lettered >Nickel Plate only. I see no reason why this could not be a ’46 Type1 SIT. Am I >wrong? Larry > > > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of >Dale Smith > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 4:31 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 342 engine #2 > > > > > > I looked at the photos again and I think it is most likely a 47 with the > lettering removed, based on lack of buttons, hex valve gear rivets and > coupler. I simply couldn't identify a brass coupler weight in any of > the photos. In one photo there is a circular piece of metal at the > coupler, but I think it is too far back to be the weight and is actually > the end of the link pin. I know from checking my Greenberg Guide (by > Joe Deger) that there were some 48's that had smoke in tender, like this > one, but without a better view of the coupler, I would be hard pressed > to call it a 48. > > Dale > > On 5/19/2011 8:26 PM, boss31@... <mailto:boss31%40aol.com>; wrote: > > > > Wait a minute! It couldn't be a 1946 tender either since only the words > > NICKLE PLATE ROAD were printed ALONG the sides. No logo. My conclusion is > > that it is a 1947 or 48. Most likely a 1948 a with lettering removed. > > > > What say all the experts out there? > > Steve > > > > > > In a message dated 5/19/2011 8:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > > mlmarmer@... <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>; <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>; >writes: > > > > _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem ><http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=> >&item=230623385925&ssPageName= > > > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem ><http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=> >&item=230623385925&ssPageName=> > > ADME:B:SS:US:1123_ > > >(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123> > &item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 > > > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem ><http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123> > &item=230623385925&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123>) > > > > > > > A O gauge friend sent me this link, as yes, the engine is sitting on O > > gauge track just for the photo. > > > > I am not interested in the engine, but is this the 1946 or 47 model, as > > some say it is altered. > > > > Mike > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64822	From: Ken	Date: 5/21/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine #2

When did the RR's go to sealed bearings for the truck wheels? Nice chrome covers on the tender truck bearing hot box. Ken Christiansen Broker Associate 551 N. Mulford Rd. Rockford, IL 61107 Cell: 815-218-3957 email: <mailto:klchris@...> klchris@... efax: 815-231-8032 Web: <http://www.starckrealtors.com/> www.starckrealtors.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64823	From: Joseph H	Date: 5/21/2011
Subject: Re: 342 engine

And aluminum in 1950 (due to metals shortage during the Korean War). Blackened weights returned in 1951. So, 1946--thin shank, no weight 1947--thick shank, no weight 1948--brass weight 1949--blackened steel weight 1950--aluminum weight 1951-1953--blacked steel weight Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: > > Sorry.... Brass 1948!!!! ..... Steel 1949!!!!!! ... Bob >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64824	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/21/2011
Subject: Re: Brass weights

That would be most logical for Gilbert as well. Waste no, want not. Steve In a message dated 5/21/2011 3:05:25 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, rfalzini@... writes: I have a engine, it's a 1949, but with the brass weight factory installed not replaced. I figured they just put the brass coupler on to use up old inventory, then move on to the 49 coupler as we know it Rich >________________________________ >From: "_boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) " <_boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) > >To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) >Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 2:00 PM >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Brass weights > > > >The cars were most likely left over from 1948 production. There is quite a >bit of that out ther,e as Gilbert was a waste not type of person. 1948 had >brass coupler weights. 1949 had black. >Steve > > >In a message dated 5/21/2011 6:01:52 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, >_afjerryk5@..._ (mailto:afjerryk5@...) writes: > >My 1949 314AW set came with brass weights on all of the cars.Got it new for >Christmas 1949. >Jerry > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64825	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/22/2011
Subject: C & O SET

After looking around here for over 2 years I have found the set I started,,,, All I have is the engines and 4 cars..... I know other cars, etc were put out.... Anybody have a list of what is totally out there now for this lionel set..... Or know of items for sale..... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64826	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/22/2011
Subject: 2005 LIONEL AUCTION BOOK

Any body have a copy, or could copy for me the information on the 2005 AMERICAN FLYER Prototype stuff sold in the Auction at lionel in 2005.... I have a couple of printed pages with my cars but would like more info.... Prices paid, etc.... Thanks for your help.... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64827	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/22/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/22/2011, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 64828	From: rapidrail1	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: Re: C & O SET

If you are talking about the Lionel C&O passenger set, I have one with two PAs, combine, coach, vista (old type), and round end observation. Lionel recently sold a new baggage to go with it. If you are talking about the older Gilbert C&O freight, I don't know, but I'm sure Bob Tufts sets book would have that information. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: > > After looking around here for over 2 years I have found the set I started,,,, All I have is the engines and 4 cars..... I know other cars, etc were put out.... Anybody have a list of what is totally out there now for this lionel set..... Or know of items for sale..... Bob Conner > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64829	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: Re: C & O SET.

Bob, The only extra car for the C&O PA set is a baggage car, 6-49934, "C&O 48910" issued in 2010. Not hard to find. Bob B. In a message dated 5/23/2011 5:52:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: After looking around here for over 2 years I have found the set I started,,,, All I have is the engines and 4 cars..... I know other cars, etc were put out.... Anybody have a list of what is totally out there now for this lionel set..... Or know of items for sale..... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64830	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: Re: C & O SET

Wayne... Thanks.... I have the lionel 2 PA's and 4 cars... Need the baggage but I thought like the SF set extra pass cars were put out.... Bob --- On Mon, 5/23/11, rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...> wrote: From: rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: C & O SET To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 23, 2011, 6:33 AM   If you are talking about the Lionel C&O passenger set, I have one with two PAs, combine, coach, vista (old type), and round end observation. Lionel recently sold a new baggage to go with it. If you are talking about the older Gilbert C&O freight, I don't know, but I'm sure Bob Tufts sets book would have that information. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: > > After looking around here for over 2 years I have found the set I started,,,, All I have is the engines and 4 cars..... I know other cars, etc were put out.... Anybody have a list of what is totally out there now for this lionel set..... Or know of items for sale..... Bob Conner > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64831	From: John Metzger	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: Re: C & O SET.

Do not forget about Tom Hodson's painted shells to make the C&O set with a "B" engine and other passenger shells. Tom sold matching shells for many road names but you had to come up with the frames to mount his shells to. Happy Railroading, John Metzger ________________________________ From: "rbubeck327@..." <rbubeck327@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 8:13:36 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: C & O SET.   Bob, The only extra car for the C&O PA set is a baggage car, 6-49934, "C&O 48910" issued in 2010. Not hard to find. Bob B. In a message dated 5/23/2011 5:52:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: After looking around here for over 2 years I have found the set I started,,,, All I have is the engines and 4 cars..... I know other cars, etc were put out.... Anybody have a list of what is totally out there now for this lionel set..... Or know of items for sale..... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64832	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: Re: C & O SET.

Bob..... Thanks.... Now I am wondering about the SF set.... I have the ABA and first six cars.... These 2 sets are about all the lionel sets i am keeping.... Bob --- On Mon, 5/23/11, rbubeck327@... <rbubeck327@...> wrote: From: rbubeck327@... <rbubeck327@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: C & O SET. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 23, 2011, 9:13 AM   Bob, The only extra car for the C&O PA set is a baggage car, 6-49934, "C&O 48910" issued in 2010. Not hard to find. Bob B. In a message dated 5/23/2011 5:52:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: After looking around here for over 2 years I have found the set I started,,,, All I have is the engines and 4 cars..... I know other cars, etc were put out.... Anybody have a list of what is totally out there now for this lionel set..... Or know of items for sale..... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64833	From: Jim	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: Electromagnetic Crane

My Electro-Crane junker project continues. Got the motor running and the gears aligned. My question today - In pictures and in Tim's video, it looks like there is some kind of thin rod that sticks out the bottom of the back of the cab and runs through a hole in the black cab base. It's (I'm guessing) 3 or 4 inches long and looks unpainted. What's the purpose of this rod/wire? Are repros available? Jim E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64834	From: richs009	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: Re: C & O SET.

Bob -- in case you missed them, there are a couple of C&O baggage cars up on eBay right now... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: > > Bob..... Thanks.... Now I am wondering about the SF set.... I have the ABA and first six cars.... These 2 sets are about all the lionel sets i am keeping.... Bob > > --- On Mon, 5/23/11, rbubeck327@... <rbubeck327@...> wrote: > > > From: rbubeck327@... <rbubeck327@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: C & O SET. > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, May 23, 2011, 9:13 AM > > >   > > > > Bob, > > The only extra car for the C&O PA set is a baggage car, 6-49934, "C&O > 48910" issued in 2010. Not hard to find. > > Bob B. > > > In a message dated 5/23/2011 5:52:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: > > After looking around here for over 2 years I have found the set I > started,,,, All I have is the engines and 4 cars..... I know other cars, etc were > put out.... Anybody have a list of what is totally out there now for this > lionel set..... Or know of items for sale..... Bob Conner > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64835	From: richs009	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane

Jim -- that's the string that lifts the hook and magnet. If you look inside the crane cab you will see there is no 'take-up' drum for the string that lifts the hook/magnet. Rather, the way this is designed, the end of the string is tied off to the back of the crane base and as the crane rotates, the string 'gets shorter' as the cab moves, thus lifting the hook/magnet. Among other things, this means that you have to position the crane base so that the hook/magnet lifts up enough as the crane turns to clear the side of any gondola or other car that is receiving the 'junk'. I'm in the process of trying to add another motor to this system so one has independent control over crane rotation and the raising/lowering of the hook/magnet. I assume there must be others 'out there' that have done this...? I'll report here on any progress I make. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jimensign50@...> wrote: > > My Electro-Crane junker project continues. Got the motor running and the gears aligned. My question today - In pictures and in Tim's video, it looks like there is some kind of thin rod that sticks out the bottom of the back of the cab and runs through a hole in the black cab base. It's (I'm guessing) 3 or 4 inches long and looks unpainted. What's the purpose of this rod/wire? > Are repros available? > Jim E. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64836	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane

Just on this subject how do you tell the prewar crane from the immediate postwar - I presume the prewar would have a rubber or rubber/cotton covered wiring loop to the controller and the postwar a pvc loop? Is this so or are there other differences? I assume the same would apply to the log loader. Alistair On Tue 24/05/11 6:52 AM , "richs009" richs009@... sent: Jim -- that's the string that lifts the hook and magnet. If you look inside the crane cab you will see there is no 'take-up' drum for the string that lifts the hook/magnet. Rather, the way this is designed, the end of the string is tied off to the back of the crane base and as the crane rotates, the string 'gets shorter' as the cab moves, thus lifting the hook/magnet. Among other things, this means that you have to position the crane base so that the hook/magnet lifts up enough as the crane turns to clear the side of any gondola or other car that is receiving the 'junk'. I'm in the process of trying to add another motor to this system so one has independent control over crane rotation and the raising/lowering of the hook/magnet. I assume there must be others 'out there' that have done this...? I'll report here on any progress I make. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1], "Jim" wrote: > > My Electro-Crane junker project continues. Got the motor running and the gears aligned. My question today - In pictures and in Tim's video, it looks like there is some kind of thin rod that sticks out the bottom of the back of the cab and runs through a hole in the black cab base. It's (I'm guessing) 3 or 4 inches long and looks unpainted. What's the purpose of this rod/wire? > Are repros available? > Jim E. > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20Electromagnetic%20Crane [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvdjkxbTM1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NDgzNQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMDYxODU3OTQ-?act=reply&messageNum=64835 [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/540;_ylc=X3oDMTMyNTBtOWV0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NDgzNQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMDYxODU3OTQEdHBjSWQDNTQw [5] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64837	From: Bill Drake	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane

I have an early prewar crane with a chain instead of a string. BillDrake - On Mon May 23rd, 2011 4:34 PM CDT alizoo@... wrote: > Just on this subject how do you tell the prewar crane from the >immediate postwar - I presume the prewar would have a rubber or >rubber/cotton covered wiring loop to the controller and the postwar a >pvc loop? Is this so or are there other differences? I assume the >same would apply to the log loader. Alistair > On Tue 24/05/11 6:52 AM , "richs009" richs009@... sent: > Jim -- that's the string that lifts the hook and magnet. If you look >inside the crane cab you will see there is no 'take-up' drum for the >string that lifts the hook/magnet. Rather, the way this is designed, >the end of the string is tied off to the back of the crane base and >as the crane rotates, the string 'gets shorter' as the cab moves, >thus lifting the hook/magnet. Among other things, this means that you >have to position the crane base so that the hook/magnet lifts up >enough as the crane turns to clear the side of any gondola or other >car that is receiving the 'junk'. > I'm in the process of trying to add another motor to this system so >one has independent control over crane rotation and the >raising/lowering of the hook/magnet. I assume there must be others >'out there' that have done this...? I'll report here on any progress >I make. > - Rich > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1], "Jim" wrote: > > > > My Electro-Crane junker project continues. Got the motor running >and the gears aligned. My question today - In pictures and in Tim's >video, it looks like there is some kind of thin rod that sticks out >the bottom of the back of the cab and runs through a hole in the >black cab base. It's (I'm guessing) 3 or 4 inches long and looks >unpainted. What's the purpose of this rod/wire? > > Are repros available? > > Jim E. > > > >---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - >http://www.adam.com.au/ > >Links: >------ >[1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >[2] >mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20Electromagnetic%20Crane >[3] >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvdjkxbTM1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NDgzNQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMDYxODU3OTQ-?act=reply&messageNum=64835 >[4] >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/540;_ylc=X3oDMTMyNTBtOWV0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NDgzNQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMDYxODU3OTQEdHBjSWQDNTQw >[5] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64838	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: LTI Santa Fe set.

Since this was brought up, I just happen to have a new in the Box(es) Santa Fe set with the extra cars and extra B unit for sale. Anyone interested contact me off list. Steve In a message dated 5/23/2011 1:06:17 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, rcon7@... writes: Bob..... Thanks.... Now I am wondering about the SF set.... I have the ABA and first six cars.... These 2 sets are about all the lionel sets i am keeping.... Bob MARKETPLACE _Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now._ (http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15on5pajq/M=493064.14543979.14365478.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=130618 4773/L=ba66d596-856f-11e0-8b7d-e76e46e52fc5/B=OzcpMkwNPKk-/J=130617757368765 2/K=BNJXLLk2Ib.XlAe1xzcqaA/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.ya hoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj) ____________________________________ _Get great advice about dogs and cats. Visit the Dog & Cat Answers Center._ (http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15omd9s04/M=493064.14543977.14365476.10835568/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1306184773/L=ba66d596-856f-11e0- 8b7d-e76e46e52fc5/B=PDcpMkwNPKk-/J=1306177573687652/K=BNJXLLk2Ib.XlAe1xzcqaA /A=6078812/R=0/SIG=114ae4ln1/*http://dogandcatanswers.yahoo.com/) (http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiOGtqdHNpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMwNjE3NzU3Mg-- ) Switch to: _Text-Only_ (mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional) , _Daily Digest_ (mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest) • _Unsubscribe_ (mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe) • _Terms of Use_ (http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/) . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64839	From: Larry Moore	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: Stubborn 290

Question for the group: I am working on a 290 that will run fine in forward, but not at all in reverse. E-unit working fine. Replaced wiring harness, I have checked twice it is wired correctly. When e-unit cycles to reverse, the armature will start to turn and then stop. If the armature or field were bad, would it run in forward and not reverse? Any ideas or solution would be appreciated. Thanks, Larry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64840	From: John Metzger	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: Re: Stubborn 290

________________________________ From: Larry Moore <mo2337@...> To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 8:37:46 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Stubborn 290   Make shure the worm gear is not loose but, is seated correctly against the main gear. If not, you could run forward but, when in reverse mode, the motor will try to work but, bine up and not able to turn thus stop and not go backward in reverse. Question for the group: I am working on a 290 that will run fine in forward, but not at all in reverse. E-unit working fine. Replaced wiring harness, I have checked twice it is wired correctly. When e-unit cycles to reverse, the armature will start to turn and then stop. If the armature or field were bad, would it run in forward and not reverse? Any ideas or solution would be appreciated. Thanks, Larry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64841	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: Re: Stubborn 290

switch the wires on the brushes & You should be OK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64842	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 5/23/2011
Subject: Re: Stubborn 290

Check that the spacing washer is in place on the armature shaft - if it is missing the armature shaft can move backwards or forwards too much and the motor may not run well in either reverse or forward. Alistair On Tue 24/05/11 11:07 AM , Larry Moore mo2337@... sent: Question for the group: I am working on a 290 that will run fine in forward, but not at all in reverse. E-unit working fine. Replaced wiring harness, I have checked twice it is wired correctly. When e-unit cycles to reverse, the armature will start to turn and then stop. If the armature or field were bad, would it run in forward and not reverse? Any ideas or solution would be appreciated. Thanks, Larry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20Stubborn%20290 [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvN3ZsMXY5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NDgzOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMDYyMDU0MTM-?act=reply&messageNum=64839 [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/64839;_ylc=X3oDMTM0Y212c2I0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NDgzOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMDYyMDU0MTMEdHBjSWQDNjQ4Mzk- [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64843	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 5/24/2011
Subject: Re: Stubborn 290

Larry,      If your wiring is correct then check the contactor fingers very closely. Sounds like you may have to re-bend one to make contact. This happens quite frequently in the manufacture of the fingers which leaves one finger too short or to long to make contact in the proper place on the drum. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc   --- On Mon, 5/23/11, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: From: Larry Moore <mo2337@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Stubborn 290 To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 23, 2011, 9:37 PM   Question for the group: I am working on a 290 that will run fine in forward, but not at all in reverse. E-unit working fine. Replaced wiring harness, I have checked twice it is wired correctly. When e-unit cycles to reverse, the armature will start to turn and then stop. If the armature or field were bad, would it run in forward and not reverse? Any ideas or solution would be appreciated. Thanks, Larry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: New Members 3 New Photos 54 Visit Your Group Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64844	From: Joseph H	Date: 5/24/2011
Subject: Re: Stubborn 290

Larry, Check the tension on your fingers by pressing down on them while it is not running in the desired direction. Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: > > Question for the group: I am working on a 290 that will run fine in forward, > but not at all in reverse. E-unit working fine. Replaced wiring harness, I > have checked twice it is wired correctly. When e-unit cycles to reverse, the > armature will start to turn and then stop. If the armature or field were > bad, would it run in forward and not reverse? Any ideas or solution would be > appreciated. Thanks, Larry > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64845	From: rick gough	Date: 5/24/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane

The 'rod' you found, Jim, is likely what's left of the boom adjusting shaft that should go thru the top hole in the back of the cab and thread into the boom and should have a big wheel attached behind the cab. To he who thinks he can put another motor and winding drum into that little cab to separately operate the magnet line, I say good luck. Lionel covered this with an ingenious transmission using just one motor in the far superior 182 crane, all mounted below the deck. I speculate that ACG was affraid of infringing on Lionel patents thus made the much simpler crane, which interestingly looks very much like the Lionel pre-war version's cab and color scheme. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64846	From: richs009	Date: 5/24/2011
Subject: Re: Electromagnetic Crane

Jim -- that's the string that lifts the hook and magnet. If you look inside the crane cab you will see there is no 'take-up' drum for the string that lifts the hook/magnet. Rather, the way this is designed, the end of the string is tied off to the back of the crane base and as the crane rotates, the string 'gets shorter' as the cab moves, thus lifting the hook/magnet. Among other things, this means that you have to position the crane base so that the hook/magnet lifts up enough as the crane turns to clear the side of any gondola or other car that is receiving the 'junk'. I'm in the process of trying to add another motor to this system so one has independent control over crane rotation and the raising/lowering of the hook/magnet. I assume there must be others 'out there' that have done this...? I'll report here on any progress I make. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <jimensign50@...> wrote: > > My Electro-Crane junker project continues. Got the motor running and the gears aligned. My question today - In pictures and in Tim's video, it looks like there is some kind of thin rod that sticks out the bottom of the back of the cab and runs through a hole in the black cab base. It's (I'm guessing) 3 or 4 inches long and looks unpainted. What's the purpose of this rod/wire? > Are repros available? > Jim E. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64847	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/24/2011
Subject: MyFlyerTrains.org website outage - emergency link enclosed

Hello, Once again problems at my web hosting company have my front page and chat room down. I have notified them and await their response. In the mean time, the link below will get you to an old front page and give access to the catalogs and the photo albums. Use the back button to move around, and do not click on home or you will just get a database error. For those who know a lot about computers, I HATE SQL! http://myflyertrains.org/index.emergency It is my hope that the problem will be resolved soon. Chuck Harrington http://www.myflyertrains.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64848	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 5/24/2011
Subject: Lionel Christmas Catalog 2011

Flyer is on pages 23-34.. http://www.lionel.com/products/catalogs/Christmas_11v1/index.cfm I like the "Route of the Reindeer" geep, but it doesn't have link coupler bars :-) Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64849	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel Christmas Catalog 2011

So, how much Christmas stuff will people actually buy? There sure is a LOT of it! Please note: message attached From: Brady Burdge <brady@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Christmas Catalog 2011 Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 19:58:40 -0500 ____________________________________________________________ Refinance for 2.50%/3.03% APR Loans under 729K usually qualify for US GOV backed refinance programs http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4ddce5a281fd511ea4cst02duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64850	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel Christmas Catalog 2011

Actually its not Christmas stuff..... its "happy holidays"..... Look at all the items... Guess lionel doesn't know the meaning of the season..... just the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$... CHRISTMAS is not seen on anything!!!!!! I know I will offend some of you, but this grates me the wrong way.... doubt if I will order anymore holiday cars.... Was all ready to order all untill I saw the markings... We need Christmas back in Christmas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bob Conner --- On Wed, 5/25/11, schwartzsj@... <schwartzsj@...> wrote: From: schwartzsj@... <schwartzsj@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel Christmas Catalog 2011 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 25, 2011, 7:17 AM   So, how much Christmas stuff will people actually buy? There sure is a LOT of it! Please note: message attached From: Brady Burdge <brady@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Christmas Catalog 2011 Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 19:58:40 -0500 __________________________________________________________ Refinance for 2.50%/3.03% APR Loans under 729K usually qualify for US GOV backed refinance programs http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4ddce5a281fd511ea4cst02duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64851	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: auction in PA.

http://www.rgilliganauctions.com/5-29%20sternagle%20toys%20erector.html I was in NE PA last weekend, in Wellsboro, PA and I saw a listing in a local newspaper, Williamsport, PA for a auction of a man’s collection of Erector sets. The newspaper classify says that the owner, Mr. Alton Sternagle was a expert on Erector, being co-author of Greenberg’s books on Erector. I am not into Erector, but I thought I would pass this along, as just looking at the collection on line, is interesting. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64852	From: wjchadbourne	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: Pikemaster track

Hi guys, I'm looking for pikemaster track. I have made a display case for some of my Flyer trains and want pikemaster track on the shelves. Each shelf is seven feet long and there are twelve shelves so I need quite a few pieces. eighty-four feet. Do any of you have some you are willing to sell or have suggestions. I have been checking ebay, but not much there. Thank you Warren (Bud) Chadbourne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64853	From: George Cohn	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel Christmas Catalog 2011

On 5/25/2011 4:17 AM, schwartzsj@... wrote: > So, how much Christmas stuff will people actually buy? > There sure is a LOT of it! A lot of it! While not train related, this web site is just an example of how folks spend hundreds of thousands on just decorating: http://www.lightorama.com/index.html Remember the house with all the lights synced to music? This is the industry that grew from that. BTW, some of their controllers would be an easy way to make animated signs for a layout, particularly the low voltage controller. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64854	From: Major	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel Christmas Catalog 2011

I like many of the Christmas cars and have a train load of them from both Lionel AF and S-Helper. They are colorful and whimsical! I don't much care for the locomotives however so I leave them alone. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "schwartzsj@..." <schwartzsj@...> wrote: > > So, how much Christmas stuff will people actually buy? > There sure is a LOT of it! > > Please note: message attached > > From: Brady Burdge <brady@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Christmas Catalog 2011 > Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 19:58:40 -0500 > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Refinance for 2.50%/3.03% APR > Loans under 729K usually qualify for US GOV backed refinance programs > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4ddce5a281fd511ea4cst02duc > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64855	From: michael prell	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: Erector Turntable

I just took a look at the two pics posted by rit348. Fantastic! Very NICE!   Mike Prell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64856	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: Re: Pikemaster track

Hi Warren, You may want to consider 3 foot sections of Gargraves Flex Track with wood ties for your shelf. The odds of finding Pikemaster straight sections in quantity are slim. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: wjchadbourne <wjchadbourne@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 11:08:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Pikemaster track Hi guys, I'm looking for pikemaster track. I have made a display case for some of my Flyer trains and want pikemaster track on the shelves. Each shelf is seven feet long and there are twelve shelves so I need quite a few pieces. eighty-four feet. Do any of you have some you are willing to sell or have suggestions. I have been checking ebay, but not much there. Thank you Warren (Bud) Chadbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64857	From: Jens	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: FS Lionel Flyer Items - PRICE DOWN

FS Lionel Flyer Items Hi Guys, thanks for the invitation and the ok from the moderator to offer the few items I have to your cool group. i have to sell: Lionel American Flyer Trains S Gauge #6-48421 Philadelphia Quartz #807 Single Dome Tank $20 NEW Lionel American Flyer Trains S Gauge #6-48555 Reading #9310 Flat Car w/Wheel Load $20 NEW Lionel American Flyer Trains S Gauge #6-48550 Great Northern #X48850 Depressed Center Service Car $22 NEW Lionel American Flyer Trains S Gauge Canadian Pacific Stock Car #277315 (6-48367) $20 Frenchman River Model Works S Scale Resin Companion Way - Set of 2 (1163) $3 All items + shipping, contact me for pictures if you need. Item are brand new, boxes do have minor wear from storage. I ship USPS I am located in LA I prefere Moneyorder, Bank Transfer or Check but take also Paypal etc. Thanks Jens Kinne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64858	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: Re: Pikemaster track

Wayne, I used Gargaves track for my shelves and it is perfect. Mike From: wjchadbourne Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:08 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Pikemaster track Hi guys, I'm looking for pikemaster track. I have made a display case for some of my Flyer trains and want pikemaster track on the shelves. Each shelf is seven feet long and there are twelve shelves so I need quite a few pieces. eighty-four feet. Do any of you have some you are willing to sell or have suggestions. I have been checking ebay, but not much there. Thank you Warren (Bud) Chadbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64859	From: Joseph H	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: Re: Mauldin (Greenville) SC Show

I am currently using 2 trolleys: one made by PA Heritage Models and the other a Bachmann Spectrum On30 Jersey trolley converted to S by using SHS F-3 wheel sets. Both are DC. Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "richs009" <richs009@...> wrote: > > Joe -- unfortunately (at least in this case) I'm on the opposite side of the country to be able to see the SC show. You mention trolley runs and given the past expressed interest here in S-scale trolleys, do you have an information you could provide on the trolleys? Who makes them or are they all kit-bashed...? Any links to pictures or videos would be helpful too. > > thanks much, > > - Rich > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@> wrote: > > > > For those of you who missed it last weekend, the Carolinas Division of > > the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers will conclude their two weekend train show in > > Mauldin, SC (next to Greenville) with shows on Friday (noon until 9 pm) and > > Saturday (10 am until 9 pm). Admission is free. New features this year include a > > building demolition, a stand-alone mailbag pickup and delivery, and an > > automated 2-trolley run with passenger boarding and de-boarding. Also featured > > are the hand-powered train race (as featured at the recent York TCA Show) and > > the Thomas the Tank Engine Cab and train layout. There is an NASG table with > > free literature and old magazines. For the second year, the Piedmont and > > Southern N Gaugers will also have a layout in operation. > > > > Joe > >  Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 > > 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > > Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer > > ###################Authorized Lionel Service Center#################### > > ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... > > American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line > > joestrainrepair@###########.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64860	From: Jerry	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: Re: Pikemaster track

Hi Bud, I also made some display shelves for my Flyer trains (and take them down when the spirit so moves me to run them). I simply used two saw kerfs in the shelf to set the wheels in. This eliminated the need for track entirely. But since you've already made your shelves, it may be too late! ;>) Something to think about next time.... Jerry Poniatowski Wet and Sick of the Rain in Wayne (MI) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wjchadbourne" <wjchadbourne@...> wrote: > > Hi guys, > I'm looking for pikemaster track. I have made a display case for some of my Flyer trains and want pikemaster track on the shelves. Each shelf is seven feet long and there are twelve shelves so I need quite a few pieces. eighty-four feet. Do any of you have some you are willing to sell or have suggestions. I have been checking ebay, but not much there. > Thank you > Warren (Bud) Chadbourne >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64861	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: Re: auction in PA.

Thanks for this stuff Mike. Somewhere around here I have a few Erector sets. Always hoped to find the physics set with the Geiger counter and radioactive samples. Imagine trying to sell that today.   Bob From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:30 AM Subject: [S-Trains] auction in PA.   http://www.rgilliganauctions.com/5-29%20sternagle%20toys%20erector.html I was in NE PA last weekend, in Wellsboro, PA and I saw a listing in a local newspaper, Williamsport, PA for a auction of a man’s collection of Erector sets. The newspaper classify says that the owner, Mr. Alton Sternagle was a expert on Erector, being co-author of Greenberg’s books on Erector. I am not into Erector, but I thought I would pass this along, as just looking at the collection on line, is interesting. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64862	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: Re: MyFlyerTrains.org website outage - emergency link enclosed

Once again, MyFlyerTrains.org has returned to normal operation. Thanks for your patience! Chuck Harrington MyFlyerTrains.org On May 24, 2011, at 5:38 PM, Chuck Harrington wrote: > Hello, > > Once again problems at my web hosting company have my front page and chat room down. I have notified them and await their response. > > In the mean time, the link below will get you to an old front page and give access to the catalogs and the photo albums. Use the back button to move around, and do not click on home or you will just get a database error. For those who know a lot about computers, I HATE SQL! > > http://myflyertrains.org/index.emergency > > It is my hope that the problem will be resolved soon. > > Chuck Harrington > http://www.myflyertrains.org > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64863	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: Re: auction in PA.

Bob, You are welcome. You would think these might go on eBay, or a nationwide auction house, as it looks like very few will see these items. Someone could get something for not much money maybe, due to lack of exposure. I would think the estate could do better? Mike From: robert hendrickson Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 6:41 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] auction in PA. Thanks for this stuff Mike. Somewhere around here I have a few Erector sets. Always hoped to find the physics set with the Geiger counter and radioactive samples. Imagine trying to sell that today. Bob From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com; mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:30 AM Subject: [S-Trains] auction in PA. http://www.rgilliganauctions.com/5-29%20sternagle%20toys%20erector.html I was in NE PA last weekend, in Wellsboro, PA and I saw a listing in a local newspaper, Williamsport, PA for a auction of a man’s collection of Erector sets. The newspaper classify says that the owner, Mr. Alton Sternagle was a expert on Erector, being co-author of Greenberg’s books on Erector. I am not into Erector, but I thought I would pass this along, as just looking at the collection on line, is interesting. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64864	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 5/25/2011
Subject: Update on Failed Northern Tires

Hi All, Thanks go out to Dave at LBR Enterprises. He sent me a free set of his replacement rubber tires to test on my Lionel Northern 48047. He sent a pair of the small and large bands since he wasn't sure which would fit the Northern. The large bands fit. I installed them and successfully ran the Northern around the layout several times. I currently have the Northern sitting in front of the station and will let it sit until the weekend. Then I'll fire it up and see if the bands have degraded from sitting a couple of days like the crappy Lionel tires did. I'll post an update later this weekend. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64865	From: richs009	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: display shelves

Jerry and Bud -- do either of you have pictures or some of the dimensions you used for your display shelves that you'd be willing to share? I'm in the process of designing a set of display shelves and would likely learn from what you did. Since I live in California, I need to incorporate doors or some other sort of earthquake restraint so my display items don't wind up on the floor in various states of disrepair. thanks, Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry" <poniaj@...> wrote: > > Hi Bud, > > I also made some display shelves for my Flyer trains (and take them down when the spirit so moves me to run them). I simply used two saw kerfs in the shelf to set the wheels in. This eliminated the need for track entirely. But since you've already made your shelves, it may be too late! ;>) > > Something to think about next time.... > > Jerry Poniatowski > Wet and Sick of the Rain in Wayne (MI) > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wjchadbourne" <wjchadbourne@> wrote: > > > > Hi guys, > > I'm looking for pikemaster track. I have made a display case for some of my Flyer trains and want pikemaster track on the shelves. Each shelf is seven feet long and there are twelve shelves so I need quite a few pieces. eighty-four feet. Do any of you have some you are willing to sell or have suggestions. I have been checking ebay, but not much there. > > Thank you > > Warren (Bud) Chadbourne > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64866	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Re: E-BAY 342

So let me get this straight, if the 342 in the E-Bay sale, does not have brass buttons it's not a 1946 model? What I read in my T&M guide, there were only a hand full made in '46... So my next question would be, what if the engine shell had a date of '46 on the inside. The only year that has the NKP & SIT is the '46 model.Right? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64867	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Re: 342 PS

I guess my question is, was there a 342 made in 1946? Mike in Ore [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64868	From: rapidrail1	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel Christmas Catalog 2011

I did not see anything I wanted. While I agree with Robert, that is NOT the reason why. I got tired of waiting for Lionel to produce some Christmas stuff that was not ugly or ANOTHER Christmas/holiday boxcar. So I started making my own. Photos are in the photo section. Mine include a full streamline Christmas passenger train and old time branch line passenger train and an operating walking toy soldier (brakeman) car. My current work under construction include a PA set to pull the streamline when the streamline Pacific is not available and a Penquin Popcicles reefer car. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "schwartzsj@..." <schwartzsj@...> wrote: > > So, how much Christmas stuff will people actually buy? > There sure is a LOT of it! > > Please note: message attached > > From: Brady Burdge <brady@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel Christmas Catalog 2011 > Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 19:58:40 -0500 > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Refinance for 2.50%/3.03% APR > Loans under 729K usually qualify for US GOV backed refinance programs > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4ddce5a281fd511ea4cst02duc > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64869	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Re: Update on Failed Northern Tires

make sure you rotate them every 7500 miles. O! A very nice gesture on Dave’s part. I hope this solves your issue. mike From: bull_gator_1 Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 10:34 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Update on Failed Northern Tires Hi All, Thanks go out to Dave at LBR Enterprises. He sent me a free set of his replacement rubber tires to test on my Lionel Northern 48047. He sent a pair of the small and large bands since he wasn't sure which would fit the Northern. The large bands fit. I installed them and successfully ran the Northern around the layout several times. I currently have the Northern sitting in front of the station and will let it sit until the weekend. Then I'll fire it up and see if the bands have degraded from sitting a couple of days like the crappy Lionel tires did. I'll post an update later this weekend. BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64870	From: Brady	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Question (was Update on Failed Northern Tires)

All I was wondering - with the reported problems with Lionel-produced Flyer products, why do people keep buying? If you want high-tech, the electronics and installation services are available to put can motors and TMCC into Gilbert locomotives.. Thoughts? Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64871	From: Carey Probst	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Re: display shelves

I didn't make my case but it has Plexiglas sliding doors to keep out the dirt and protect the trains. The Plexiglas sits in slots along the bottom and top frame with the slot in the top deep enough to allow inserting the Plexiglas and still holding in place when lowered in the bottom slot. Simple and secure. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 5/26/2011 12:10 AM, richs009 wrote: > > Jerry and Bud -- do either of you have pictures or some of the > dimensions you used for your display shelves that you'd be willing to > share? I'm in the process of designing a set of display shelves and > would likely learn from what you did. Since I live in California, I > need to incorporate doors or some other sort of earthquake restraint > so my display items don't wind up on the floor in various states of > disrepair. > > thanks, > > Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Jerry" <poniaj@...> wrote: > > > > Hi Bud, > > > > I also made some display shelves for my Flyer trains (and take them > down when the spirit so moves me to run them). I simply used two saw > kerfs in the shelf to set the wheels in. This eliminated the need for > track entirely. But since you've already made your shelves, it may be > too late! ;>) > > > > Something to think about next time.... > > > > Jerry Poniatowski > > Wet and Sick of the Rain in Wayne (MI) > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "wjchadbourne" <wjchadbourne@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > I'm looking for pikemaster track. I have made a display case for > some of my Flyer trains and want pikemaster track on the shelves. Each > shelf is seven feet long and there are twelve shelves so I need quite > a few pieces. eighty-four feet. Do any of you have some you are > willing to sell or have suggestions. I have been checking ebay, but > not much there. > > > Thank you > > > Warren (Bud) Chadbourne > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64872	From: Major	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Re: 342 PS

The 342 was cataloged in 1946 and was made that year. I have no idea on quantities made but it probably was not large. I am also not aware of how many were made with the brass buttons before Gilbert discontinued adding them. Smoke in tender 342's were made in both 1946 and 1947. My 342 with Smoke in tender is from 1947. From what I have read 1946 production of the more expensive locomotives like the Northern and 0-8-0 was limited as AC Gilbert was still converting from war time production and there was still raw material shortages. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > I guess my question is, was there a 342 made in 1946? Mike in Ore > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64873	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Re: Question (was Update on Failed Northern Tires)

Brady, I have been wondering that for a long time myself. Mike From: Brady Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 7:59 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Question (was Update on Failed Northern Tires) All I was wondering - with the reported problems with Lionel-produced Flyer products, why do people keep buying? If you want high-tech, the electronics and installation services are available to put can motors and TMCC into Gilbert locomotives.. Thoughts? Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64874	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Re: display shelves

I highly recommend adding the sliding Plexiglas doors to your shelving to protect the trains. I had this done in 1993 and they are still great. I have 14 shelves 10 feet long and then 14 shelves about 8 feet long. Mike Marmer. -----Original Message----- From: Carey Probst Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 8:37 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] display shelves I didn't make my case but it has Plexiglas sliding doors to keep out the dirt and protect the trains. The Plexiglas sits in slots along the bottom and top frame with the slot in the top deep enough to allow inserting the Plexiglas and still holding in place when lowered in the bottom slot. Simple and secure. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 5/26/2011 12:10 AM, richs009 wrote: > > Jerry and Bud -- do either of you have pictures or some of the > dimensions you used for your display shelves that you'd be willing to > share? I'm in the process of designing a set of display shelves and > would likely learn from what you did. Since I live in California, I > need to incorporate doors or some other sort of earthquake restraint > so my display items don't wind up on the floor in various states of > disrepair. > > thanks, > > Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Jerry" <poniaj@...> wrote: > > > > Hi Bud, > > > > I also made some display shelves for my Flyer trains (and take them > down when the spirit so moves me to run them). I simply used two saw > kerfs in the shelf to set the wheels in. This eliminated the need for > track entirely. But since you've already made your shelves, it may be > too late! ;>) > > > > Something to think about next time.... > > > > Jerry Poniatowski > > Wet and Sick of the Rain in Wayne (MI) > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "wjchadbourne" <wjchadbourne@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > I'm looking for pikemaster track. I have made a display case for > some of my Flyer trains and want pikemaster track on the shelves. Each > shelf is seven feet long and there are twelve shelves so I need quite > a few pieces. eighty-four feet. Do any of you have some you are > willing to sell or have suggestions. I have been checking ebay, but > not much there. > > > Thank you > > > Warren (Bud) Chadbourne > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64875	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Re: 342 PS

So it may be possible, that there were 342's made without the brass buttons. Mike In a message dated 5/26/2011 5:26:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, keyhole_corona@... writes: The 342 was cataloged in 1946 and was made that year. I have no idea on quantities made but it probably was not large. I am also not aware of how many were made with the brass buttons before Gilbert discontinued adding them. Smoke in tender 342's were made in both 1946 and 1947. My 342 with Smoke in tender is from 1947. From what I have read 1946 production of the more expensive locomotives like the Northern and 0-8-0 was limited as AC Gilbert was still converting from war time production and there was still raw material shortages. --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , anormal1@... wrote: > > I guess my question is, was there a 342 made in 1946? Mike in Ore > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64876	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Re: Question (was Update on Failed Northern Tires)

Back in the days when LIONEL products would more likely run out of the boxes in pieces, I listened intently as two "Collectors" ranted and complained about the junk they were paying dearly for. Their mutual conclusion was that IF they stopped buying junk, their collections would not be complete. Happened at a Toy/Train Show at the Host Resort in Lancaster, PA on a cool Sunday morning in mid-nineties. I was simply amazed Just like the government rewarding mediocrity or worse. Jim ( the Walking Brakeman still can't ) Lyle In a message dated 5/26/2011 9:05:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Brady, I have been wondering that for a long time myself. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64877	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Why buy Lionel?

I think that a large number of Lionel items are sold to collectors, most of which do not buy trains to run. However, the Lionel Mikado for instance, is a fine looking loco compared to the detail level of the fifties era Gilbert locos. And when they run, they are neat to hear. However, the lack of quality assembly and poor reliability of some Flyonel products does not compare well with the high prices charged in my opinion. S Helper and American Models both make a superior product, at a better price, but can't put out the quantity of their much bigger competitor. And, of course, Lionel owns the American Flyer name, another call to collectors, but not a guarantee of the old AF quality and durability. One wonders why a Flyonel product is so much more expensive for less quality than their competitors, especially when they have such superior buying power with the factories? There was a time when Lionel was a great company, but that seemed to end when Richard Kuhn sold it. Just my observation. Stumpy in Appalachia, donning my fire retardant suit now.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64878	From: Major	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Re: 342 PS

From what I have read that is a definite yes. The brass buttons were discontinued during 1946 production so there is 46 production out there without them. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > So it may be possible, that there were 342's made without the brass > buttons. Mike > > > In a message dated 5/26/2011 5:26:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > keyhole_corona@... writes: > > > > > The 342 was cataloged in 1946 and was made that year. I have no idea on > quantities made but it probably was not large. I am also not aware of how many > were made with the brass buttons before Gilbert discontinued adding them. > Smoke in tender 342's were made in both 1946 and 1947. My 342 with Smoke in > tender is from 1947. From what I have read 1946 production of the more > expensive locomotives like the Northern and 0-8-0 was limited as AC Gilbert > was still converting from war time production and there was still raw > material shortages. > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , > anormal1@ wrote: > > > > I guess my question is, was there a 342 made in 1946? Mike in Ore > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64879	From: Major	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Re: Why buy Lionel?

I have to agree with your observations. I have a large fleet of American Models and S-Helper diesel locomotives and they are definitely superior to the Lionel diesels offerings to date. However I do have a U33C on order. For the money American models steam locomotives cannot be beat. They operate so smoothly and have superior smoke and "choo-choo" compared to original Flyer. The Lionel Steam Loco offerings are nice and I have a number of them but they are pricey and there has been issues with their quality, and except for the Big Boy they all are poor smokers. For me if an item is unique and no one else is offering it and I desire it, than I will buy it from what ever manufacturer makes it. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > I think that a large number of Lionel items are sold to collectors, most of which do not buy trains to run. However, the Lionel Mikado for instance, is a fine looking loco compared to the detail level of the fifties era Gilbert locos. And when they run, they are neat to hear. > However, the lack of quality assembly and poor reliability of some Flyonel products does not compare well with the high prices charged in my opinion. S Helper and American Models both make a superior product, at a better price, but can't put out the quantity of their much bigger competitor. > And, of course, Lionel owns the American Flyer name, another call to collectors, but not a guarantee of the old AF quality and durability. > One wonders why a Flyonel product is so much more expensive for less quality than their competitors, especially when they have such superior buying power with the factories? > There was a time when Lionel was a great company, but that seemed to end when Richard Kuhn sold it. > Just my observation. > Stumpy in Appalachia, donning my fire retardant suit now. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64880	From: Ed	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Re: Why buy Lionel?

> One wonders why a Flyonel product is so much more expensive for less quality than their competitors, especially when they have such superior buying power with the factories? > Stumpy in Appalachia Greed.....!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64881	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/26/2011
Subject: Re: Question (was Update on Failed Northern Tires)

Knock on wood, I have had good luck with Flyonel products. The level of detailing and finishing is far superior to anything from the A. C. Gilbert/Joshua Lionel Cowen era. I personally like SHS and AM products, especially for the money. But if a person wants something contemporary with the American Flyer name, there is no other choice but Flyonel. To answer your question specifically: The primary reason I buy Flyonel is because that is the only place I can get a Mikado, Challenger, Big Boy, etc., without paying the price for brass. Also, in my experience, the newer stuff doesn¹t suck as many amps and, again just from my experience, it is more reliable. I have had nothing but trouble with sticky E units, etc., on the original Flyer, great engines though they were (operable word being ³were²). I recall when Lionel and AM both offered 4-8-4¹s at about the same time. I had signed up for one of the Flyonel¹s and when I found out that AM was making one, I jumped ship and bought it-at a lower price than the Flyonel. And it is one heck of a runner. And BTW, I have two of the SHS 2-8-0¹s and they are phenomenal double-headed! Roy From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 20:33:59 -0400 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Bill Zide <Wjzwjz@...>, jlechner2001 <Joseph.Lechner@...>, Thomas Bianculli <tjbian@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Question (was Update on Failed Northern Tires) Brady, I have been wondering that for a long time myself. Mike From: Brady Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 7:59 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Question (was Update on Failed Northern Tires) All I was wondering - with the reported problems with Lionel-produced Flyer products, why do people keep buying? If you want high-tech, the electronics and installation services are available to put can motors and TMCC into Gilbert locomotives.. Thoughts? Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64882	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/27/2011
Subject: Re: 342 PS

There was no production of 342's or 332's in 1946. As Doyle's book reads a handful were made of each. In addition to the brass buttons in the chassis, the tender lettering would read "Nickel Plate Road" along the side of the tender. Similar to the 574 switcher. The tender coupler would be a thin shank plastic. A review of the October 11 1946 Price list will show Set #4618 with the 0-8-0 Switcher as "Not Available". This also includes the Northern Sets #4615, #4617, 4621 amd the Complete Railroad System Set #4622. Price guides show the 1946 0-8-0 Switcher as NRS - No Reported Sales. Though the 342 was cataloged in 1946 it was never in production. Set #4620 included a 752 Coal Loader which was also "Not Available" That was because the 752 Coal Loader which was in the 1946 catalog was also not made in 1946. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Major <keyhole_corona@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 7:43:57 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 342 PS The 342 was cataloged in 1946 and was made that year. I have no idea on quantities made but it probably was not large. I am also not aware of how many were made with the brass buttons before Gilbert discontinued adding them. Smoke in tender 342's were made in both 1946 and 1947. My 342 with Smoke in tender is from 1947. From what I have read 1946 production of the more expensive locomotives like the Northern and 0-8-0 was limited as AC Gilbert was still converting from war time production and there was still raw material shortages. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > I guess my question is, was there a 342 made in 1946? Mike in Ore > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64883	From: LB	Date: 5/27/2011
Subject: Question Regarding Posts on 342PS

During what years did AF actually date stamp the inside of steam boilers and diesel engines? I don't recall seeing them on early (46,47, etc) flyer steamers as I have quite a few of them myself. Seems like this only occurred from early fifties to early sixties. paflyrman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64884	From: barb	Date: 5/27/2011
Subject: Question for BG1

Hey Bull, I am ready to start installing the chain link fence around my refinery. I crawled through the photos in the album gallery but can't find a pic of yours. Would you email me a pic of your chain link fence or post it in your album on MyFlyerTrains.org? I want to use it for reference as I install mine. Thanks bunches.... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64885	From: jshannon148	Date: 5/27/2011
Subject: Is it a box car or a reefer?

I see in the TM Guide that the AF 639 is listed as both a box car and as a reefer. How can I tell which one I have, what features make the difference? Thanks, John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64886	From: wjchadbourne@smgazette.com	Date: 5/27/2011
Subject: display

Hi Guys, I,m away from my home computer for Memorial Day until next Thursday.  I am interested in the pikemaster track that was offered and I will respond on how I built my shelves at that point.  Right now I am using my little netbook computer on the road and my fat fingers are having a really hard time on the tiny keyboard.  Please forgive me and I will respond properly as soon as I can. Bud ------------------------- Msg sent via Gazette Record Webmail - http://mail.smgazette.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64887	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 5/27/2011
Subject: Re: Question for BG1

Hi Barb, I'm pretty sure those photos and explanation for the fencing are on the net somewhere. I'll look around tonight and see where they are located. If I can't find them I'll repost them somewhere and send you the link. ttyl, David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, barb <rcespeak@...> wrote: > > Hey Bull, > > I am ready to start installing the chain link fence > around my refinery. > > I crawled through the photos in the album gallery but > can't find a pic of yours. Would you email me a pic of > your chain link fence or post it in your album on > MyFlyerTrains.org? > > I want to use it for reference as I install mine. > > Thanks bunches.... Barb >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64888	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/27/2011
Subject: Re: Question Regarding Posts on 342PS

I don't remember seeing any dates stamps on 1946-1947 productions. Those boiler shells were the same as the Pre War productions. They most likely continued to use these from the Pre War days to the early Post War. If they made more of these shells for 1946-1947, they would have used the same tooling. In 1948, the tooling changed, this included the boiler shells, the boiler fronts and the steamchests. I looked at a 1948 Atlantic Shell and it reads PA9443A. So the 1948 production could have an A on the end. I believe that they started using a date stamp in 1948. I know I have seen 290 shells stamped 1949. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: LB <hblanier@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 7:24:00 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Question Regarding Posts on 342PS During what years did AF actually date stamp the inside of steam boilers and diesel engines? I don't recall seeing them on early (46,47, etc) flyer steamers as I have quite a few of them myself. Seems like this only occurred from early fifties to early sixties. paflyrman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64889	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/27/2011
Subject: Re: Is it a box car or a reefer?

Hi John, The doors and the roofs are different. Box car doors with have a latch molded in and I believe the roofs on the refrigerator cars have hatches for ice. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: jshannon148 <jshannon148@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 11:37:42 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Is it a box car or a reefer? I see in the TM Guide that the AF 639 is listed as both a box car and as a reefer. How can I tell which one I have, what features make the difference? Thanks, John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64890	From: richs009	Date: 5/27/2011
Subject: Re: Is it a box car or a reefer?

John - the 639 cars don't have movable doors - that is, the doors are cast as part of the car body. In that case (and I think this is true of later box cars and reefers) there are two easy to see differences between a box car and the reefer. First, the roof on the box car has two hatches (part of the plastic casting), one on each end of the car (opposite corners) while the roof of the reefer has a hatch on each corner (four total). Second, the door on the box car has horizontal slats or corregations on the whole door while the door on the reefer is plain, but with two vertical 'bars' cast as part of the door, along with a 'v' shaped casting on the lower part of the door, all of which are meant to 'model' the door closing mechanism on the prototype reefer. I've noticed on some of the later AF and Flyonel cars where the doors actually slide open that the roof detail seems to be the same (two hatches instead of four) on both the box cars and reefers, even though the door castings are different. I'm not sure whether this is true of all AF reefers with openable doors. If you go on to eBay and into the Flyer listings, then search on 'reefer door' and 'box car door' you'll see examples of the door differences I describe above. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jshannon148" <jshannon148@...> wrote: > > I see in the TM Guide that the AF 639 is listed as both a box car and as a reefer. How can I tell which one I have, what features make the difference? > > Thanks, John >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64891	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/27/2011
Subject: Re: Is it a boxcar or a reefer?

As a side note to this thread and regarding the prototype; AF made standard boxcars, but as I recall made only an unusual type of reefer, which doesn't look like a traditional refrigerator car. The traditional ice cooled reefers had ice hatches on the roof and a pair of swinging doors on each side. Thousands of these cars were built first in wood and later in steel. Later, there were mechanically refrigerated cars with no ice hatches and "plug" doors which slid sideways like a boxcar and then fit tightly into the door frame. These were locked down with an external locking mechanism. This is the door you see on the Flyer reefer that has the locking mechanism molded onto the outside of the door. There were also many "plug door" boxcars, which were insulated cars with no refrigeration method, but they kept pre-frozen cargo cold during shipping. The Flyer car is a "hybrid" car used for just a few years during the transition from ice cooling to the mechanically refrigerated cars and insulated boxcars. From what I can discover, so few were built that many model railroaders still don't believe such as car really existed, and to my knowledge AF was the only toy or model manufacturer to produce one. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64892	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/27/2011
Subject: Mystery Bay Window Caboose

A year or two ago, we had a discussion on S Trains about the prototype for the AF Bay Window caboose which also has a cupola. I had seen a photo in an OLD copy of Trains magazine of this car long ago. Talking to both railroaders and rail fans during the S Trains discussion, many claim to have seen these cars, and two said they saw one a few years ago. Others on the Group say no such car was ever built. There is no question that similar cars with either the cupola or the bay windows were built, and maybe memories are not all that sharp as to what was really seen. This makes sense since why would a railroad want a car with both bay windows and a cupola? But then why would Gilbert make such a "hybrid" car? Then at a train show last year, a guy told me he had worked for the manufacturer and that two cars were built only as demonstrators to showcase the features of both car types. Several roads tried them, and bought either cupola or bay window cars. He had no idea what happened to the demonstrators. If such a car does still exist, a lot of us would like to know about it! Perhaps it should be placed in a museum and painted and lettered for American Flyer Lines as Gilbert produced the most of them! Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64893	From: Frank	Date: 5/27/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Bay Window Caboose

Gilbert did lots of hybrids. Think Pennsy K 5. Only two built. Sent from my iPhone On May 27, 2011, at 9:43 PM, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > A year or two ago, we had a discussion on S Trains about the prototype for the AF Bay Window caboose which also has a cupola. I had seen a photo in an OLD copy of Trains magazine of this car long ago. Talking to both railroaders and rail fans during the S Trains discussion, many claim to have seen these cars, and two said they saw one a few years ago. Others on the Group say no such car was ever built. > There is no question that similar cars with either the cupola or the bay windows were built, and maybe memories are not all that sharp as to what was really seen. This makes sense since why would a railroad want a car with both bay windows and a cupola? > But then why would Gilbert make such a "hybrid" car? > Then at a train show last year, a guy told me he had worked for the manufacturer and that two cars were built only as demonstrators to showcase the features of both car types. Several roads tried them, and bought either cupola or bay window cars. He had no idea what happened to the demonstrators. > If such a car does still exist, a lot of us would like to know about it! Perhaps it should be placed in a museum and painted and lettered for American Flyer Lines as Gilbert produced the most of them! > Stumpy in Appalachia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64894	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 5/28/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Bay Window Caboose

Thanks Mr. Stumpy I believe at the time I was in on that discussion. As it happens, I did finally see a photograph of a caboose where there were both a cupola as well as a bay window. In this case it appeared that the cupola was boarded up; the bay window having been added later for some "significant" railroad reason. Unfortunately, I don't recall what railroad it was so the mystery continues at least in my case. if I can find it, I will place a photo for the group. Sorry about the tease, but I've been really busy lately and haven't had much "train time". Gene Cimino Hanover, PA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64895	From: Gale Hall	Date: 5/28/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Bay Window Caboose

Conrail caboose #23630 is like what Gene spoke of, the cupola is sealed up and a small pocket style baywindow on the sides..but nothing like the delux AF caboose...the above caboose was x-New Haven NE6. GALE ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Cimino To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 8:21 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Mystery Bay Window Caboose Thanks Mr. Stumpy I believe at the time I was in on that discussion. As it happens, I did finally see a photograph of a caboose where there were both a cupola as well as a bay window. In this case it appeared that the cupola was boarded up; the bay window having been added later for some "significant" railroad reason. Unfortunately, I don't recall what railroad it was so the mystery continues at least in my case. if I can find it, I will place a photo for the group. Sorry about the tease, but I've been really busy lately and haven't had much "train time". Gene Cimino Hanover, PA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64896	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 5/28/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Bay Window Caboose

Missouri Pacific Lines had a few wooden cabooses with bay windows and offset cupola. A website called utahrails.net has a listing of MP cabooses that includes cabooses # 970-999, built by the Sedalia MP facility. Not the prototype for the American Flyer caboose, but they were bay window cabooses with an offset cupola. I think they were built in the early 1940's. Stumpy, I think I sent you a picture of MP caboose number 999 sometime back in 2008. Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > A year or two ago, we had a discussion on S Trains about the prototype for the AF Bay Window caboose which also has a cupola. I had seen a photo in an OLD copy of Trains magazine of this car long ago. Talking to both railroaders and rail fans during the S Trains discussion, many claim to have seen these cars, and two said they saw one a few years ago. Others on the Group say no such car was ever built. > There is no question that similar cars with either the cupola or the bay windows were built, and maybe memories are not all that sharp as to what was really seen. This makes sense since why would a railroad want a car with both bay windows and a cupola? > But then why would Gilbert make such a "hybrid" car? > Then at a train show last year, a guy told me he had worked for the manufacturer and that two cars were built only as demonstrators to showcase the features of both car types. Several roads tried them, and bought either cupola or bay window cars. He had no idea what happened to the demonstrators. > If such a car does still exist, a lot of us would like to know about it! Perhaps it should be placed in a museum and painted and lettered for American Flyer Lines as Gilbert produced the most of them! > Stumpy in Appalachia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64897	From: tjm	Date: 5/28/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Bay Window Caboose

The refer, the bay window caboose, the K5 -- what other unique/low volume prototypes did Gilbert model? Thanks tjm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64898	From: Gale Hall	Date: 5/28/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Bay Window Caboose

The Reading Atlantic gale ----- Original Message ----- From: tjm To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 9:43 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Mystery Bay Window Caboose The refer, the bay window caboose, the K5 -- what other unique/low volume prototypes did Gilbert model? Thanks tjm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64899	From: DarylO	Date: 5/28/2011
Subject: Sideframe for Flyer F9

Does anybody out there have a rear sideframe for a Flyer F9 that they'd be willing to sell? This is the black, plastic sideframe that has the little "awning" over the coupler. I need one to complete a restoration that I'm just about finished with. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64900	From: wcbeverly	Date: 5/28/2011
Subject: SGG Open house Sunday June 5th and Tuesday June 7th

The Slim Gauge Guild Model Railroad Club would like to invite you to their semi-annual open house on Sunday June 5(10am-6pm) and Tuesday June 7 (6pm-10pm) Layouts are S/Sn3 and HO/HOn3 and fill a 2000 square foot room in the basement. The Guild is located on the South East corner of Raymond and Del Mar. Just across Del Mar (South) from the MTA Gold Line Station. web site @ http://www.slimgaugeguild.com Address: China Factory Mall (basement) 300 S. Raymond Ave Pasadena, CA 91105 A few videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwwKbMU-92A&list=QL&feature=BF http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3a3QrcmoIo&feature=related Parking is free on the north side of the building. Info call Jeff Smith @ (818) 590-1729 Hope all interested in Narrow gauge or just running trains can visit.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64901	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/28/2011
Subject: Richard Steinheimer, master of railroad photography, dies at 81

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/richard-steinheimer-master-of-railroad-photography-dies-at-81/2011/05/23/AFhmt89G_story.html I never heard of this man, but saw this in the Washington Post yesterday. Thought I would pass it along. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64902	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 5/28/2011
Subject: Re: Sideframe for Flyer F9

Daryl,      Contact Doug Peck at Port Lines Hobbies at: http://www.portlines.com/ Dave LBR Enterprises, llc   --- On Sat, 5/28/11, DarylO <jaytewilli@...> wrote: From: DarylO <jaytewilli@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Sideframe for Flyer F9 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 28, 2011, 12:35 PM   Does anybody out there have a rear sideframe for a Flyer F9 that they'd be willing to sell? This is the black, plastic sideframe that has the little "awning" over the coupler. I need one to complete a restoration that I'm just about finished with. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64903	From: Frank	Date: 5/28/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Bay Window Caboose

The Reading Atlantic which later the Reading added an extra drive wheel to ride the rails safer. Also the S 8 Baldwin. Humm, might want to add the PA's too. Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2011, at 10:43 AM, "tjm" <tjmcmahon@...> wrote: > The refer, the bay window caboose, the K5 -- what other unique/low volume > prototypes did Gilbert model? > > Thanks > > tjm > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64904	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/28/2011
Subject: Re: Richard Steinheimer, master of railroad photography, dies at 81

As the Post says, he was one of the MASTERS of railroad photography...Incredible documentation of a bygone era. Roy From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 14:04:16 -0400 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>, <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, S-Scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Richard Steinheimer, master of railroad photography, dies at 81 http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/richard-steinheimer-master-of -railroad-photography-dies-at-81/2011/05/23/AFhmt89G_story.html I never heard of this man, but saw this in the Washington Post yesterday. Thought I would pass it along. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64905	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 5/28/2011
Subject: READING Atlantic

The READING Atlantic was built as 4-4-4's there were four built, 350 thru 353. Shortly after going into service the 4 wheel trailing truck was replaced by the 2 wheel truck which in turn made it an "Atlantic". The reason for replacing the trailing truck was the ride deemed unsafe by engine crews at speed. At one time, the original Gilbert brass shell casting was in the possession of the National Toy Train Museum ( NTTM ). Jim Lyle In a message dated 5/28/2011 8:09:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, femiro2002@... writes: The Reading Atlantic which later the Reading added an extra drive wheel to ride the rails safer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64906	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/29/2011
Subject: Container update & decals

All, I will have the master patterns for the container on Tuesday. I should have them shipped to my caster on Tuesday as well. I am on a roll here. Some have been asking me about decals for the containers. I have been in discussion with my friend John Frantz johnf2384@... about it. He makes decals in HO http://www.mountvernonshops.com We have been discussing offering logos for different roads other than PRR. If that is of interest to you, you may have to be a resource for that info. The decals will be a separate project. Please deal directly with John. I am not involved with that end of it. Send him your thoughts on decals for the containers. As always with such projects, the decals may not happen if there is not enough support of them. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: <http://www.lanestrains.com/> http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Custom Train Parts Design <http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm> http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) <http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls> http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! <http://www.prrths.com/> http://www.prrths.com <http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf> http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! <http://www.prslhs.com/> http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64907	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 5/29/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Bay Window Caboose

Thanks Gale... That would be the one. I had neglected to mention that the bay window was of a smaller size that the "fictional" one on the AF shell. That's not to say that some bay windows didn't look somewhat like the AF style. Do you know when the deed was done on the PRR cabin car as I don't seem to remember it being Conrail, but my mind wants to wrap around Penn Central. Also, there must have been a safety issue that brought about the modification. I'm thinking that higher freight cars or possibly high trailers or containers on flat cars would have negated the use of the cupola. Also, someone spoke of the K5 as being a hybrid. The K5 pacific was an experimental locomotive that PRR came up with to get around having to double head K4s on passenger trains. When Caproti (sp?) visited the US, he couldn't believe how large American steam was compared to the Italian engines. One of the two K5s was equipped with Caproti's style of valve gear. Unfortunately, the locomotive was nicknames the Mussolini due to the Italian reference. Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64908	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/29/2011
Subject: Cupolas and 4-4-4's

During the Penn Central days, several former NYC and "western divisions" PRR cabooses with particularly high roofs had their cupolas removed and bay windows installed. While not widespread, this was done to enable these cars to "run through" on former Pennsy "electrified territory" parts of the system. The Reading 4-4-4's were a good idea, but due to some miscalculation in suspension, the four wheel trailing truck took too much weight off the rear of the engine, causing some driver slip and a rough ride at high speed, both undesirable tracking problems. Using the LBR four wheel trailing truck will allow there to be many more model 4-4-4's than there were prototype locos. But that's pretty common for model railroaders. :-) Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64909	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/29/2011
Subject: email address correction

John Frantz would prefer that you use this email address jfrantz@... when replying about container decals. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: <http://www.lanestrains.com/> http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Custom Train Parts Design <http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm> http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) <http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls> http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! <http://www.prrths.com/> http://www.prrths.com <http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf> http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! <http://www.prslhs.com/> http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64910	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 5/29/2011
Subject: wanted

I am looking for the center section for a #763 Mountain set. Any condition. Jerry ____________________________________________________________ Groupon™ Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4de244fdd69596c39m06duc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64911	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 5/29/2011
Subject: Re: Cupolas and 4-4-4's

Stumpy,      The 4 wheel truck for the Atlantics is not due in until late in June. However, our 4 wheel truck for the #282 & #283's is here now. Something of a supprise to us is that this new 4 wheel truck looks pretty good with the #322 style Hudson's so you might call it a Semi-Universal trailing truck. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc --- On Sun, 5/29/11, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Cupolas and 4-4-4's To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 29, 2011, 9:24 AM   During the Penn Central days, several former NYC and "western divisions" PRR cabooses with particularly high roofs had their cupolas removed and bay windows installed. While not widespread, this was done to enable these cars to "run through" on former Pennsy "electrified territory" parts of the system. The Reading 4-4-4's were a good idea, but due to some miscalculation in suspension, the four wheel trailing truck took too much weight off the rear of the engine, causing some driver slip and a rough ride at high speed, both undesirable tracking problems. Using the LBR four wheel trailing truck will allow there to be many more model 4-4-4's than there were prototype locos. But that's pretty common for model railroaders. :-) Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64912	From: afjeff_56	Date: 5/29/2011
Subject: Re: Richard Steinheimer, master of railroad photography, dies at 81

Mike! I knew him as he was from my town of Sacramento. He was a very nice gentleman and a Great photographer. It was sad to see him when the Alzheimer's disease started to kick in... Have a Great Memorial Weekend! Jeff S...... --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/richard-steinheimer-master-of-railroad-photography-dies-at-81/2011/05/23/AFhmt89G_story.html > > I never heard of this man, but saw this in the Washington Post yesterday. > > Thought I would pass it along. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64913	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 5/29/2011
Subject: 4 wheel trailing truck on a Reading Locomotive

Stumpy... In terms of converting the Atlantic to a "Reading" or "Jubilee" type locomotive, How well will a four wheel trailing truck fit under that Wooten firebox of an AF Reading Atlantic. Do you have to do any modification of either a simple AF 4 wheel truck or the underside of the locomotive frame or shell? By the way, there is a very nice image of a Reading No. 110 "Reading type" on Wikipedia. Is it my imagination or were the wheel diameters on the trailing truck smaller than on the lead end truck? Also, the tender looks a bit like those used on the original PRR E6s. Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64914	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 5/29/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 5/29/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday May 29, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64915	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/29/2011
Subject: Re: Richard Steinheimer, master of railroad photography, dies at 81

Jeff, That is great you knew this man. Will Google for some of his pictures. You have a great weekend too. Mike From: afjeff_56 Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 12:38 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Richard Steinheimer, master of railroad photography, dies at 81 Mike! I knew him as he was from my town of Sacramento. He was a very nice gentleman and a Great photographer. It was sad to see him when the Alzheimer's disease started to kick in... Have a Great Memorial Weekend! Jeff S...... --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/richard-steinheimer-master-of-railroad-photography-dies-at-81/2011/05/23/AFhmt89G_story.html > > I never heard of this man, but saw this in the Washington Post yesterday. > > Thought I would pass it along. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64916	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/29/2011
Subject: Re: Richard Steinheimer, master of railroad photography, dies at 81

http://www.google.com/search?q=richard+steinheimer+photo&hl=en&biw=1243&bih=866&prmd=ivnsuo&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=TM7iTZybFYjLgQf3kpCRBg&ved=0CCwQsAQ Images for his photos. Mike Marmer From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 5:00 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Richard Steinheimer, master of railroad photography, dies at 81 Jeff, That is great you knew this man. Will Google for some of his pictures. You have a great weekend too. Mike From: afjeff_56 Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2011 12:38 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Richard Steinheimer, master of railroad photography, dies at 81 Mike! I knew him as he was from my town of Sacramento. He was a very nice gentleman and a Great photographer. It was sad to see him when the Alzheimer's disease started to kick in... Have a Great Memorial Weekend! Jeff S...... --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/richard-steinheimer-master-of-railroad-photography-dies-at-81/2011/05/23/AFhmt89G_story.html > > I never heard of this man, but saw this in the Washington Post yesterday. > > Thought I would pass it along. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64917	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/29/2011
Subject: Pacific four wheel trailing truck

Depending on what 4 wheel truck you use, yes, some grinding will be required. I would try to find a plastic truck and modify the sideframe rather slightly. If not, you can make the side frames and use different size wheels, smaller in front. You'll also have to make a drawbar too. Yes, many four wheel trucks had a smaller diameter wheel set in front and a larger one toward the rear to clear the firebox and ash pan. This would be the type you'll want to use for an Atlantic conversion. Stumpy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64918	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/29/2011
Subject: Big Boy question...

Hi all, Just after the Flyonel Big Boy¹s came out there was much talk about changing out the trailing wheels on the engine for ones that were more narrow. Now that I am getting round to dealing with this problem I have lost the thread on suggestions. Can anyone fill me in please? Roy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64919	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 5/30/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy question...

Yes, I would also like to read the suggestions. thanks very much Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 5/30/2011 6:51 AM, Roy Inman wrote: > > Hi all, > Just after the Flyonel Big Boy¹s came out there was much talk about > changing > out the trailing wheels on the engine for ones that were more narrow. Now > that I am getting round to dealing with this problem I have lost the > thread > on suggestions. > Can anyone fill me in please? > Roy > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64920	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 5/30/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy question...

Roy, Here is a link to what I do to make the BB trucks narrower. http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/truck-mod/BB-Truck-Mods.htm I have done four of these this way. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Roy Inman Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 12:51 AM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy question... Hi all, Just after the Flyonel Big Boy¹s came out there was much talk about changing out the trailing wheels on the engine for ones that were more narrow. Now that I am getting round to dealing with this problem I have lost the thread on suggestions. Can anyone fill me in please? Roy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64921	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/30/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy question...

Carl, Thanks very much for the link. As I suspected, such metal work is outside my envelope. Do you fix these for others, and if so how much/ Roy From: <carl@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 06:30:02 -0400 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Big Boy question... Roy, Here is a link to what I do to make the BB trucks narrower. http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/truck-mod/BB-Truck-Mods.htm I have done four of these this way. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ]On Behalf Of Roy Inman Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 12:51 AM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy question... Hi all, Just after the Flyonel Big Boy¹s came out there was much talk about changing out the trailing wheels on the engine for ones that were more narrow. Now that I am getting round to dealing with this problem I have lost the thread on suggestions. Can anyone fill me in please? Roy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64922	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/30/2011
Subject: Re: Richard Steinheimer, master of railroad photography, dies at 81

Hi All, Well, before Richard lived in Sacramento, he lived in Dunsmuir--and took quite a few photos around my hometown. When I knew him, he was a really nice guy, but we hadn't been in touch for a loong time. I would see him at a few train shows, and Bob Church would keep me updated whenever I'd see him. BTW, Bob just published a great book on the Dunsmuir area "Steam Days in Dunsmuir." ,It has many unpublished photos and most of Dick Murdock's "Smoke in the Canyon" book. My copy hasn't arrived yet, but I saw my Brother's copy and it's GREAT! S' David D. PS Required S content--lots of protoype shots usefull for layout design--the Dunsmuir Shops were compact! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64923	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 5/30/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy question...

Roy, $300 for the three truck mods and $75 to look over the BigBoy and do marker light and drive coupling mods plus shipping. Carl. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Roy Inman Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 11:51 AM To: S-trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Big Boy question... Carl, Thanks very much for the link. As I suspected, such metal work is outside my envelope. Do you fix these for others, and if so how much/ Roy From: <carl@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 06:30:02 -0400 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Big Boy question... Roy, Here is a link to what I do to make the BB trucks narrower. http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/truck-mod/BB-Truck-Mods.htm I have done four of these this way. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ]On Behalf Of Roy Inman Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 12:51 AM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy question... Hi all, Just after the Flyonel Big Boy¹s came out there was much talk about changing out the trailing wheels on the engine for ones that were more narrow. Now that I am getting round to dealing with this problem I have lost the thread on suggestions. Can anyone fill me in please? Roy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64924	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 5/30/2011
Subject: Re: Pacific four wheel trailing truck

Stumpy, if you have a chance take a look at the image of the 4 4 4 on Wikipedia. Is it my eyes , or are those wheels on the trailing truck not smaller in diameter than on the lead truck? Your comment described the reverse situation if I caught what you said. Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64925	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 5/30/2011
Subject: Re: Mystery Bay Window Caboose

Sorry Gale, I didn't notice that you said New Haven at first read. Gene --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gale Hall" <frisco91@...> wrote: > > Conrail caboose #23630 is like what Gene spoke of, the cupola is sealed up and a small pocket style baywindow on the sides..but nothing like the delux AF caboose...the above caboose was x-New Haven NE6. > > GALE > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gene Cimino > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 8:21 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Mystery Bay Window Caboose > > > > Thanks Mr. Stumpy > > I believe at the time I was in on that discussion. As it happens, I did finally see a photograph of a caboose where there were both a cupola as well as a bay window. In this case it appeared that the cupola was boarded up; the bay window having been added later for some "significant" railroad reason. > > Unfortunately, I don't recall what railroad it was so the mystery continues at least in my case. if I can find it, I will place a photo for the group. Sorry about the tease, but I've been really busy lately and haven't had much "train time". > > Gene Cimino > Hanover, PA > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64926	From: doerryn	Date: 5/30/2011
Subject: Yet another way to reverse locomotives

Greetings. I'm relatively new to the group and have enjoyed reading all of your postings. I thought I would introduce myself by suggesting another way to "reverse" an American Flyer locomotive. The standard ways are the AF E-Unit, reversing switch on the loco, or to convert to DC. I like building electrical and electronic projects, so I thought I would try another way. The idea is that the train moves forward when on AC voltage, and reverse with DC Voltage. By using a half-wave rectifier and a big capacitor to create the DC Voltage, the "Base" of the transformer connects directly to the track, thereby allowing all action cars to work normally (which you can't normally do with DC , unless you use another transformer). The circuit for the tender as currently designed can be found at: http://doerry.org/norbert/train/20110221AC-DC-reversing-unit.pdf the only issue with the circuit is that at low speed in reverse, there isn't enough voltage for the relay -- so the locomotive still creeps forward. You have to quickly move the throttle to about "40" on a 4B transformer to go directly to reverse. I'm still working on a solution to this. To see all my American flyer projects, go to this link ... http://doerry.org/norbert/train/AFtrain.htm Have a great day, Norbert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64927	From: Larry Moore	Date: 5/30/2011
Subject: Re: Yet another way to reverse locomotives

Norbert, Welcome to the group. As a Navy Vet '66-'70, I thank you for your service and GO NAVY. Looked at your site briefly, some very interesting projects. It is good to have another electrical man, to ask questions and get help, with some of these finicky Flyer engines and accessories. Again, welcome; Larry Moore From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of doerryn Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 4:19 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Yet another way to reverse locomotives Greetings. I'm relatively new to the group and have enjoyed reading all of your postings. I thought I would introduce myself by suggesting another way to "reverse" an American Flyer locomotive. The standard ways are the AF E-Unit, reversing switch on the loco, or to convert to DC. I like building electrical and electronic projects, so I thought I would try another way. The idea is that the train moves forward when on AC voltage, and reverse with DC Voltage. By using a half-wave rectifier and a big capacitor to create the DC Voltage, the "Base" of the transformer connects directly to the track, thereby allowing all action cars to work normally (which you can't normally do with DC , unless you use another transformer). The circuit for the tender as currently designed can be found at: http://doerry.org/norbert/train/20110221AC-DC-reversing-unit.pdf the only issue with the circuit is that at low speed in reverse, there isn't enough voltage for the relay -- so the locomotive still creeps forward. You have to quickly move the throttle to about "40" on a 4B transformer to go directly to reverse. I'm still working on a solution to this. To see all my American flyer projects, go to this link ... http://doerry.org/norbert/train/AFtrain.htm Have a great day, Norbert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64928	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/30/2011
Subject: Customizing old Flyer locomotives

There is a difference between a plausible loco conversion and a cartoonish mess. One of the first things you want to do is hunt down photos of prototype locomotives to see just what the real locomotive builders did, and how. Then look at your Flyer engine and compare them with known full scale engines. For instance, the 4-4-2 Atlantics were of a prototype used by only a few Eastern railroads. The main distinguishing feature is the wide Wooten firbox, designed to use slower burning "hard" coal found along the Reading and Jersey Central routes. This wide firebox led to creation of the "Camelback" locomotives also used by these Eastern roads. One of the more unusual yet plausible conversions would be to change your Atlantic into one of these center cab "Camelback" or "Mother Hubbard" locos. This will require building a new cab from scratch, placing air tanks atop the boiler behind the new cab, and grinding away all but about half the original cab roof. Using a tender from the Franklin 4-4-0 or the 0-8-0 switcher would be more correct for most of these type locos as well. You could shorten a standard plastic tender's coal bunker area to get the right look for these engines. Granted this is probably a bit more work that many of you would want to try, However, there are many simpler conversions which you can make with a bit of thought. Just study some photos of real locomotives, compare them with a lcoc you wnat to rework, and plan your project carefully. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64929	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/30/2011
Subject: Pacific four wheel trailing truck

Gene, we're talking about the trailing truck, the one under the firebox and cab, right? The forward axle of this truck (toward the drivers) should be the smaller wheels and the axle toward the tender should have the larger wheels. Many real locomotives had this type of truck to clear the firebox and ashpan which often needed the extra clearance. Another way to gain a bit more clearance by making your own truck drawbar and spacing the trailing truck a bit further back than it should be. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64930	From: Don Thompson	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: SHS Open House this Friday...

> > This years SHS Open House will be one day only, Friday June 3rd from > 11 AM to 5 PM. We willbe offering some great specials! Robin will be > running her famous scratch & dent sale, Don will be on hand to > answer questions, Mike will be manning the barbecue grill. Please > make plans to attend one or both days to meet the SHS crew, and find > some bargains. It is a free and fun day out! We even erect tents in > case of rain. Directions can be found on our home page. http://showcaseline.com/Shows/shows.html We all hope to see you there.... Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64931	From: willisbd	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: My first kitbash project

I'm sure I'm not the first to do this, but it's a start for me. I had an old Flyer set that I was restoring to working condition for a customer. The 625 tank car looked like it had been stepped on and I didn't see any way to repair it. So I went to ebay and found one to replace it. Now I had a tanker chassis with no tank. I decided to make a flat car out of it. I bought some 3/16" wide balsa strip, cut it into lengths the width of the chassis, and then glued them down to the chassis. Then I stained the wood. I should have stained it first, but that's a lesson learned. Then I went over it with steel wool to weather it. I think it makes a nice rustic looking flat car. Photos can be found at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1476426930/pic/list I hope I did the link correctly. - Bruce W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64932	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: My first kitbash project

Bruce, That car looks terrific. You have borrowed from the lore of the prototype railroads and given extended life to a set of resources. I think the staining looks pretty good. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of willisbd Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 9:50 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] My first kitbash project I'm sure I'm not the first to do this, but it's a start for me. I had an old Flyer set that I was restoring to working condition for a customer. The 625 tank car looked like it had been stepped on and I didn't see any way to repair it. So I went to ebay and found one to replace it. Now I had a tanker chassis with no tank. I decided to make a flat car out of it. I bought some 3/16" wide balsa strip, cut it into lengths the width of the chassis, and then glued them down to the chassis. Then I stained the wood. I should have stained it first, but that's a lesson learned. Then I went over it with steel wool to weather it. I think it makes a nice rustic looking flat car. Photos can be found at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1476426930/pic/list I hope I did the link correctly. - Bruce W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64933	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: My first kitbash project

Awesome job on the Kitbash   not only do we both like flyer, but my name is also Bruce W.   I have a 10' x 16.5' layout table half of which is O gauge and I am still in the planing stage for the American Flyer half.  I have a few Gilbert made flyer trains and the rest of my S stuff is lionel flyer and American models stuff.   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64934	From: John Metzger	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: SHS Open House this Friday...

Don, sorry I can not be there. UP 844 steam engine in St Louis, MO on friday June 3rd, 2011. Helping with ground control. John Metzger. ________________________________ From: Don Thompson <don@...> To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com; e-group <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Cc: e_group <showcaseline@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 9:12:00 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SHS Open House this Friday...   > > This years SHS Open House will be one day only, Friday June 3rd from > 11 AM to 5 PM. We willbe offering some great specials! Robin will be > running her famous scratch & dent sale, Don will be on hand to > answer questions, Mike will be manning the barbecue grill. Please > make plans to attend one or both days to meet the SHS crew, and find > some bargains. It is a free and fun day out! We even erect tents in > case of rain. Directions can be found on our home page. http://showcaseline.com/Shows/shows.html We all hope to see you there.... Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64935	From: mikenguy9	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in it.

Some one on ebay has a 390 track lock on says it is H0 it looks like the 690. I was told Flyer used Atlas track on their H0 trains. Has any one seen any 2 rail H0 track like the S track. I know this is S scale. 2 rail but H0 is also 2 rail. Thank you.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64936	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: My first kitbash project

Bruce, we all start somewhere, and that's a good start. You've gotten over the toughest hump in kit bashing, getting the confidence to try it! Scratch building is the same way, getting past the fear of doing it is the only thing that holds anyone up. Keep up the good work. Stumpy the Mad Butcher of Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64937	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: My first kitbash project and Dual Gauge

Hey Bruce, there are at least two of us. I find that a lot of Marx stuff looks good on the O-Gauge portion since I try to keep all of it at 1:64. The 333 steamer looks like something A.C. would have made. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of weidner@... Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 11:11 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: My first kitbash project Awesome job on the Kitbash   not only do we both like flyer, but my name is also Bruce W.   I have a 10' x 16.5' layout table half of which is O gauge and I am still in the planing stage for the American Flyer half.  I have a few Gilbert made flyer trains and the rest of my S stuff is lionel flyer and American models stuff.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64938	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: My first kitbash project

Flat car looks great! On 5/30/2011 9:49 PM, willisbd wrote: > I'm sure I'm not the first to do this, but it's a start for > me. I had an old Flyer set that I was restoring to working > condition for a customer. The 625 tank car looked like it > had been stepped on and I didn't see any way to repair it. > So I went to ebay and found one to replace it. Now I had a > tanker chassis with no tank. I decided to make a flat car > out of it. > I bought some 3/16" wide balsa strip, cut it into lengths > the width of the chassis, and then glued them down to the > chassis. Then I stained the wood. I should have stained it > first, but that's a lesson learned. Then I went over it with > steel wool to weather it. I think it makes a nice rustic > looking flat car. Photos can be found at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1476426930/pic/list > > I hope I did the link correctly. > - Bruce W. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64939	From: Robert Conner	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in

I HAVE 1 BOXED SET WITH HO SIZED S TRACK..... IT ALL LOOKS S JUST SMALLER.... BOB CONNER --- On Tue, 5/31/11, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote: From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> Subject: [S-Trains] does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in it. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:01 PM   Some one on ebay has a 390 track lock on says it is H0 it looks like the 690. I was told Flyer used Atlas track on their H0 trains. Has any one seen any 2 rail H0 track like the S track. I know this is S scale. 2 rail but H0 is also 2 rail. Thank you. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64940	From: cvlk	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: Is it a boxcar or a reefer?

While not as common as swing-door reefers, plug doors on ice bunker reefers were not all that uncommon. Charlie Vlk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64941	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: My first kitbash project and Dual Gauge

I am leaning to a layout track plan in a book by Jeff Faust, it is an up and over that will fit in an 8 x 8 area and I have an 8'3" x 10 ' area to work with, also wanting to have an On30 loop around the two layout halves. --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote: From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: My first kitbash project and Dual Gauge To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 12:21 PM   Hey Bruce, there are at least two of us. I find that a lot of Marx stuff looks good on the O-Gauge portion since I try to keep all of it at 1:64. The 333 steamer looks like something A.C. would have made. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of weidner@... Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 11:11 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: My first kitbash project Awesome job on the Kitbash   not only do we both like flyer, but my name is also Bruce W.   I have a 10' x 16.5' layout table half of which is O gauge and I am still in the planing stage for the American Flyer half.  I have a few Gilbert made flyer trains and the rest of my S stuff is lionel flyer and American models stuff.   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64942	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: SHS Open House this Friday...

don: you mean you are not helping us to attend? also ran across a picture of you & robin in an 1977 issuse of sgh, tie dies & all On May 31, 2011, at 7:12 AM, Don Thompson wrote: > > > > This years SHS Open House will be one day only, Friday June 3rd from > > 11 AM to 5 PM. We willbe offering some great specials! Robin will be > > running her famous scratch & dent sale, Don will be on hand to > > answer questions, Mike will be manning the barbecue grill. Please > > make plans to attend one or both days to meet the SHS crew, and find > > some bargains. It is a free and fun day out! We even erect tents in > > case of rain. Directions can be found on our home page. > > http://showcaseline.com/Shows/shows.html > > We all hope to see you there.... > > Don > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64943	From: Herbert	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in

Look in the 1959/60 HO catalog D2146 at myflyertrains.org Herb W --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: > > I HAVE 1 BOXED SET WITH HO SIZED S TRACK..... IT ALL LOOKS S JUST SMALLER.... BOB CONNER > > --- On Tue, 5/31/11, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > > > From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in it. > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:01 PM > > >   > > > > > Some one on ebay has a 390 track lock on says it is H0 it looks like > > the 690. I was told Flyer used Atlas track on their H0 trains. > > Has any one seen any 2 rail H0 track like the S track. I know this > > is S scale. 2 rail but H0 is also 2 rail. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64944	From: Dale Smith	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in

For any questions related to HO, I recommend you visit my website, www.gilbertho.org <http://www.gilbertho.org>, where I have photos of just about all the major HO items made by Gilbert. I also have links from each item to the flyer catalogs on myflyertrains.org <http://www.myflyertrains.org> . Unfortunately I don't have a picture of the 390 track clip, but will soon, courtesy of Gary Klein. I also recommend Gary Klein's book on Gilbert HO. I recently purchased his 3rd edition, which is a very nice spiral bound volume with a special section with color illustrations and also includes an up to date price list. (I already had his 2nd edition which was CD based.) My website has a link to purchase his book if you are interested. As Bruce said, the clip and the track to match it was only made in 1950. As to the other HO track, Gilbert did use Atlas track in some later years, but ended with their own HO Pikemaster track that was made in Japan. Some of us think the Pikemaster HO track was made by Sakai. In 1938 and 1939 the track was metal based and from 1940 on to and including 1950, bakelite based track was sold. The S like track was an added product in 1950 and was sold alongside the bakelite based track. On some of the display layouts HO was featured along with S gauge and the bakelite track is easy to identify on some of the layouts. For example, the Boy's Railroad Club studio layout had a loop of HO bakelite track near the control panel which can be seen in one shot where Toby is at the controls. By the way, there was no Flyer HO from 1951-1954, most likely because of Alnico magnet shortages during the Korean war. For photos of the displays, go to my other website, www.americanflyerdisplays.org <http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org> As to the track terminal, this may be the same guy who was selling this 390 a few months ago. I don't have any of the 1950 track, so I didn't want the clip myself, but I asked him very nicely if he would allow me to use one of his ebay photos on the website. After quite a while he invited me to enter into negotiations with him. His proposal was that he would make an exception to his rule of not letting anyone else use his "proprietary photos" publicly if and only if I would purchase his item. He didn't seem to realize that if I purchased the item, I wouldn't need his photo as I could take my own photo. Dale Smith On 5/31/2011 11:01 AM, Robert Conner wrote: > > I HAVE 1 BOXED SET WITH HO SIZED S TRACK..... IT ALL LOOKS S JUST > SMALLER.... BOB CONNER > > --- On Tue, 5/31/11, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@... > <mailto:mikenguy9%40yahoo.com>> wrote: > > From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@... <mailto:mikenguy9%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: [S-Trains] does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog > which has Ho in it. > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:01 PM > > > > Some one on ebay has a 390 track lock on says it is H0 it looks like > > the 690. I was told Flyer used Atlas track on their H0 trains. > > Has any one seen any 2 rail H0 track like the S track. I know this > > is S scale. 2 rail but H0 is also 2 rail. Thank you. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64945	From: richs009	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: Is it a box car or a reefer?

John - the 639 cars don't have movable doors - that is, the doors are cast as part of the car body. In that case (and I think this is true of later box cars and reefers) there are two easy to see differences between a box car and the reefer. First, the roof on the box car has two hatches (part of the plastic casting), one on each end of the car (opposite corners) while the roof of the reefer has a hatch on each corner (four total). Second, the door on the box car has horizontal slats or corregations on the whole door while the door on the reefer is plain, but with two vertical 'bars' cast as part of the door, along with a 'v' shaped casting on the lower part of the door, all of which are meant to 'model' the door closing mechanism on the prototype reefer. I've noticed on some of the later AF and Flyonel cars where the doors actually slide open that the roof detail seems to be the same (two hatches instead of four) on both the box cars and reefers, even though the door castings are different. I'm not sure whether this is true of all AF reefers with openable doors. If you go on to eBay and into the Flyer listings, then search on 'reefer door' and 'box car door' you'll see examples of the door differences I describe above. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jshannon148" <jshannon148@...> wrote: > > I see in the TM Guide that the AF 639 is listed as both a box car and as a reefer. How can I tell which one I have, what features make the difference? > > Thanks, John >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64946	From: Major	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in

American Flyer for just one year in the early 50's produced HO track that was made the same as its S-Gauge track. I have never seen any personally. The track made was only curves and straights no switches. Early HO track by Gilbert is a lot like current Bachman HO track in that it has a raised built in road bed. Later track still had a roadbed but was not raised and would mate Atlas track. Both are relatively hard to find. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: > > I HAVE 1 BOXED SET WITH HO SIZED S TRACK..... IT ALL LOOKS S JUST SMALLER.... BOB CONNER > > --- On Tue, 5/31/11, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > > > From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in it. > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:01 PM > > >   > > > > > Some one on ebay has a 390 track lock on says it is H0 it looks like > > the 690. I was told Flyer used Atlas track on their H0 trains. > > Has any one seen any 2 rail H0 track like the S track. I know this > > is S scale. 2 rail but H0 is also 2 rail. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64947	From: jtkeating	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy question...

Carl, Thank You for posting the info regarding narrowing the trucks on the Flyonel Big Boy Loco. Have you noticed any tendency for the tender to rock side to side with the trucks narrowed? Thanks in advance. John Keating --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote: > > Roy, > > Here is a link to what I do to make the BB trucks narrower. > http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/truck-mod/BB-Truck-Mods.htm > > I have done four of these this way. > > Carl > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf > Of Roy Inman > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 12:51 AM > To: S-Trains > Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy question... > > > > Hi all, > Just after the Flyonel Big Boy¹s came out there was much talk about > changing > out the trailing wheels on the engine for ones that were more narrow. Now > that I am getting round to dealing with this problem I have lost the > thread > on suggestions. > Can anyone fill me in please? > Roy > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64948	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in i

You see this from time to time on EBay, as I have a picture of a piece of track that looks like the fast track that Lionel is making or SHS track, same concept with roadbed. On the back it says made in Japan, American Flyer. Mike From: Major Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:02 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in it. American Flyer for just one year in the early 50's produced HO track that was made the same as its S-Gauge track. I have never seen any personally. The track made was only curves and straights no switches. Early HO track by Gilbert is a lot like current Bachman HO track in that it has a raised built in road bed. Later track still had a roadbed but was not raised and would mate Atlas track. Both are relatively hard to find. --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: > > I HAVE 1 BOXED SET WITH HO SIZED S TRACK..... IT ALL LOOKS S JUST SMALLER.... BOB CONNER > > --- On Tue, 5/31/11, mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> wrote: > > > From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in it. > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:01 PM > > > Â > > > > > Some one on ebay has a 390 track lock on says it is H0 it looks like > > the 690. I was told Flyer used Atlas track on their H0 trains. > > Has any one seen any 2 rail H0 track like the S track. I know this > > is S scale. 2 rail but H0 is also 2 rail. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64949	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in

Hi Mike, This HO track is on page 20 of the 1950 Catalog. Numbers for Curved is HO-381 and Half Curve is HO-382. Straight number is not listed. This track is made exactly as the Standard "S" Gauge track. I never believed it until I seen it. I never seen a track terminal for HO as the 690 for "S", but after seeing the HO track I have to believe that the terminals exist and the number is most likely HO-390. When Gilbert came back with HO in 1955 they used Atlas HO track until the sixties when they had the HO track made in Japan. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 1:01:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in it. Some one on ebay has a 390 track lock on says it is H0 it looks like the 690. I was told Flyer used Atlas track on their H0 trains. Has any one seen any 2 rail H0 track like the S track. I know this is S scale. 2 rail but H0 is also 2 rail. Thank you. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64950	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: My first kitbash project

Bruce The car looks great Guess I need to keep an eye open for "well loved" tank cars at the meets so I can get my TOFC service rolling Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64951	From: Dale Smith	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in

www.gilbertho.org now has a photo of a 390 track terminal <http://www.gilbertho.org/track-power/390.htm>, but you will be disappointed as it looks just like a 690 for S. I believe the guy selling the track terminals on ebay has the original bag which identifies it as a 390. It definitely exists and is a 390 and is so documented in Gary Klein's book, even though it was never cataloged or illustrated. Dale On 5/31/2011 2:53 PM, Sheila Seccia wrote: > > Hi Mike, > This HO track is on page 20 of the 1950 Catalog. Numbers > for Curved is HO-381 and Half Curve is HO-382. Straight number is not > listed. > This track is made exactly as the Standard "S" Gauge track. I never > believed it > until I seen it. I never seen a track terminal for HO as the 690 for > "S", but > after seeing the HO track I have to believe that the terminals exist > and the > number is most likely HO-390. When Gilbert came back with HO in 1955 > they used > Atlas HO track until the sixties when they had the HO track made in Japan. > > Tom Seccia > > ________________________________ > From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@... <mailto:mikenguy9%40yahoo.com>> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 1:01:20 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog > which has Ho > in it. > > Some one on ebay has a 390 track lock on says it is H0 it looks like > > the 690. I was told Flyer used Atlas track on their H0 trains. > > Has any one seen any 2 rail H0 track like the S track. I know this > > is S scale. 2 rail but H0 is also 2 rail. Thank you. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64952	From: william witte	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in

The straight track is  HO-380 and the 1/2 section of straight track is HO-381.   Bill From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in it.   Hi Mike, This HO track is on page 20 of the 1950 Catalog. Numbers for Curved is HO-381 and Half Curve is HO-382. Straight number is not listed. This track is made exactly as the Standard "S" Gauge track. I never believed it until I seen it. I never seen a track terminal for HO as the 690 for "S", but after seeing the HO track I have to believe that the terminals exist and the number is most likely HO-390. When Gilbert came back with HO in 1955 they used Atlas HO track until the sixties when they had the HO track made in Japan. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 1:01:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in it. Some one on ebay has a 390 track lock on says it is H0 it looks like the 690. I was told Flyer used Atlas track on their H0 trains. Has any one seen any 2 rail H0 track like the S track. I know this is S scale. 2 rail but H0 is also 2 rail. Thank you. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64953	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy question...

John, Narrowing the truck frames does not effect the stability of the tender at all. The main culprit in tipsy tenders is the misalignment of the centipede truck frames. If your tender sways just going down the track then the frame needs aligning. This is done by adjusting the shimming of the centipede frame halves until the flanged wheelsets sit squarely on the track. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of jtkeating Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 5:28 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy question... Carl, Thank You for posting the info regarding narrowing the trucks on the Flyonel Big Boy Loco. Have you noticed any tendency for the tender to rock side to side with the trucks narrowed? Thanks in advance. John Keating --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote: > > Roy, > > Here is a link to what I do to make the BB trucks narrower. > http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/truck-mod/BB-Truck-Mods.htm > > I have done four of these this way. > > Carl > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf > Of Roy Inman > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 12:51 AM > To: S-Trains > Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy question... > > > > Hi all, > Just after the Flyonel Big Boy¹s came out there was much talk about > changing > out the trailing wheels on the engine for ones that were more narrow. Now > that I am getting round to dealing with this problem I have lost the > thread > on suggestions. > Can anyone fill me in please? > Roy > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64954	From: Jeff Faust	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: My first kitbash project and Dual Gauge

Ahhh, good ol' Plan 32. One of my favorites. I did set that one up for a weekend once, after the book came out. It's a blast to run with two trains. Just keep an eye on the crossing... --Jeff --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, weidner@... wrote: > > I am leaning to a layout track plan in a book by Jeff Faust, it is an up and over that will fit in an 8 x 8 area and I have an 8'3" x 10 ' area to work with, also wanting to have an On30 loop around the two layout halves.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64955	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: My first kitbash project and Dual Gauge

Wow, never thought a famous train arthur would be on an e-mail list how cool.     That was a great book, by the way. I will more than likely use gargraves  S track so it will look like it ties in with the O section which has a combination of gargraves and Atlas O track. --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Jeff Faust <jfaust42@...> wrote: From: Jeff Faust <jfaust42@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: My first kitbash project and Dual Gauge To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:37 PM   Ahhh, good ol' Plan 32. One of my favorites. I did set that one up for a weekend once, after the book came out. It's a blast to run with two trains. Just keep an eye on the crossing... --Jeff --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, weidner@... wrote: > > I am leaning to a layout track plan in a book by Jeff Faust, it is an up and over that will fit in an 8 x 8 area and I have an 8'3" x 10 ' area to work with, also wanting to have an On30 loop around the two layout halves. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64956	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in

If it is any help, I am looking right now at my 1950 “Gilbert Toys” catalog. The HO track terminal (as shown with the HO-148 switcher train set) is number HO-390. The track built like the 3/16” gauge track is: HO-380 (Straight Track – 8”); HO-381 (Straight Track – Half Section -4”); HO-362 (Curved Track – 7-1/2”); HO-383 (Curved Track – Half Section – 3-3/4”). There is also track available with a Bakelite Roadbed and Scale-Space Ties (HO-261, HO-263, HO-260, HO-264) that uses an HO-250 track terminal. The HO-262 90-degree crossing and the HO-268 remote control Switches are of the Bakelite Roadbed and Scale-Space Ties style. Upon request, I can scan the four applicable pages of HO stuff in the catalog and post them to the “Photos” page. Jerry F. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale Smith Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 5:09 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in it. www.gilbertho.org now has a photo of a 390 track terminal <http://www.gilbertho.org/track-power/390.htm>, but you will be disappointed as it looks just like a 690 for S. I believe the guy selling the track terminals on ebay has the original bag which identifies it as a 390. It definitely exists and is a 390 and is so documented in Gary Klein's book, even though it was never cataloged or illustrated. Dale On 5/31/2011 2:53 PM, Sheila Seccia wrote: > > Hi Mike, > This HO track is on page 20 of the 1950 Catalog. Numbers > for Curved is HO-381 and Half Curve is HO-382. Straight number is not > listed. > This track is made exactly as the Standard "S" Gauge track. I never > believed it > until I seen it. I never seen a track terminal for HO as the 690 for > "S", but > after seeing the HO track I have to believe that the terminals exist > and the > number is most likely HO-390. When Gilbert came back with HO in 1955 > they used > Atlas HO track until the sixties when they had the HO track made in Japan. > > Tom Seccia > > ________________________________ > From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@... <mailto:mikenguy9%40yahoo.com> <mailto:mikenguy9%40yahoo.com>> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 1:01:20 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog > which has Ho > in it. > > Some one on ebay has a 390 track lock on says it is H0 it looks like > > the 690. I was told Flyer used Atlas track on their H0 trains. > > Has any one seen any 2 rail H0 track like the S track. I know this > > is S scale. 2 rail but H0 is also 2 rail. Thank you. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64957	From: Roy Inman	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy question...

Carl, I have no doubt that your charge for doing all that critical, meticulous machining work is cheap at twice the price. It just kind of irritates me that I paid $650+ for an engine that I now need to spend more on just to get it to the point where it should have been when it left the factory. Wasn¹t anyone at Lionel paying attention? At all? Do they know and just not care, or do they just not know? Roy From: <carl@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 21:52:08 -0400 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy question... John, Narrowing the truck frames does not effect the stability of the tender at all. The main culprit in tipsy tenders is the misalignment of the centipede truck frames. If your tender sways just going down the track then the frame needs aligning. This is done by adjusting the shimming of the centipede frame halves until the flanged wheelsets sit squarely on the track. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ]On Behalf Of jtkeating Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 5:28 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy question... Carl, Thank You for posting the info regarding narrowing the trucks on the Flyonel Big Boy Loco. Have you noticed any tendency for the tender to rock side to side with the trucks narrowed? Thanks in advance. John Keating --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , <carl@...> wrote: > > Roy, > > Here is a link to what I do to make the BB trucks narrower. > http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/truck-mod/BB-Truck-Mods.htm > > I have done four of these this way. > > Carl > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ]On Behalf > Of Roy Inman > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 12:51 AM > To: S-Trains > Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy question... > > > > Hi all, > Just after the Flyonel Big Boy¹s came out there was much talk about > changing > out the trailing wheels on the engine for ones that were more narrow. Now > that I am getting round to dealing with this problem I have lost the > thread > on suggestions. > Can anyone fill me in please? > Roy > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64958	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 5/31/2011
Subject: Gilbert HO

All, The four pages of Gilbert HO products and the cover of the 1950 Gilbert Toys catalog have been placed on the group’s Photos Page in the Gilbert HO Album. Please accept my apology for the less than stellar images, but to limit the size of the files to something manageable I had to use one of the lower resolutions when scanning.. _._,___ Jerry F. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64959	From: rapidrail1	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: SHS Open House this Friday...

Alice has announced that she will finally retire from teaching in two years. Perhaps we can finally make it to one of these when she will be home in June. You guys have fun. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don Thompson <don@...> wrote: > > > > > This years SHS Open House will be one day only, Friday June 3rd from > > 11 AM to 5 PM. We willbe offering some great specials! Robin will be > > running her famous scratch & dent sale, Don will be on hand to > > answer questions, Mike will be manning the barbecue grill. Please > > make plans to attend one or both days to meet the SHS crew, and find > > some bargains. It is a free and fun day out! We even erect tents in > > case of rain. Directions can be found on our home page. > > http://showcaseline.com/Shows/shows.html > > We all hope to see you there.... > > Don > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64960	From: George Cohn	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Bakers Chocolate Tank Car

Am I missing something or have the prices of some original AF cars really gone through the roof? http://tinyurl.com/3ww336v Bakers Chocolate tank car on eBay with a BIN of $2,500. I guess I had better take the two I have off the display shelf and put them in the safe. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64961	From: Frank	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Bakers Chocolate Tank Car

Humm, ACG must be saying WHAT! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 1, 2011, at 10:30 AM, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: > Am I missing something or have the prices of some original AF cars > really gone through the roof? > > http://tinyurl.com/3ww336v > > Bakers Chocolate tank car on eBay with a BIN of $2,500. > > I guess I had better take the two I have off the display shelf and put > them in the safe. > > George Cohn > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64962	From: R G	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Baker's Chocolate Cars

That price is ridiculous. I got two variations of the Bakers care one with and one without the lady and paid a lot less than a hundred dollars for either of them at that was only two years ago! I refuse to pay hundreds of dollars for one toy railroad car they are just toys! That means of course that there will be a few original cars that I may never own, but than again there are bargains out there for those who wait! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64963	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Baker's Chocolate Cars

and he notes (with a chuckle) - Well at least he's offering free shipping! Raleigh in Muggeigh Maineigh At 11:58 AM 6/1/2011, R G wrote: > > >That price is ridiculous. I got two variations of the Bakers care >one with and >one without the lady and paid a lot less than a hundred dollars for either of >them at that was only two years ago! I refuse to pay hundreds of dollars for >one toy railroad car they are just toys! That means of course that there will >be a few original cars that I may never own, but than again there >are bargains >out there for those who wait!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64964	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Baker's Chocolate Cars

RG, Not the same cars in this variation. No one said you had to buy this car as you refuse to paid 100s for a car And that is fine. . Yes, these are toys, but they are collectables too, as this is a rare collectable piece in the AF line of cars. This car is like a rare 1877 Indian Head cent, goes for about the same price in XF condition. But I got mine in 1983 for 500! So when the time comes, 2500 plus. there are reasons for prices like this, at least do some research on WHY this is priced at that price. Mike From: R G Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:58 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Baker's Chocolate Cars That price is ridiculous. I got two variations of the Bakers care one with and one without the lady and paid a lot less than a hundred dollars for either of them at that was only two years ago! I refuse to pay hundreds of dollars for one toy railroad car they are just toys! That means of course that there will be a few original cars that I may never own, but than again there are bargains out there for those who wait! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64965	From: David Engle	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Baker's Chocolate Cars

What is a blue General going for? Iy was steep enough 30 years ago. DJE ----- Original Message ----- From: Rollain Mercier To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Baker's Chocolate Cars and he notes (with a chuckle) - Well at least he's offering free shipping! Raleigh in Muggeigh Maineigh At 11:58 AM 6/1/2011, R G wrote: > > >That price is ridiculous. I got two variations of the Bakers care >one with and >one without the lady and paid a lot less than a hundred dollars for either of >them at that was only two years ago! I refuse to pay hundreds of dollars for >one toy railroad car they are just toys! That means of course that there will >be a few original cars that I may never own, but than again there >are bargains >out there for those who wait! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64966	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Bakers Chocolate Tank Car

No you are not missing anything as this is the rare white end version, as this comes up from time to time on this list, as the seller has put this on ebay many times. You have 2 with the white ends on the car? It does list for 1500 in E in the 2011 Greenberg book, as this is one is E to LN, as prices on this car has fallen a bit since the 2004 TM book at 1900. This is a collectable just like anything else, whether a train, a Mickey Mantle baseball card, a coin, etc.. Might be a tad high, on the sale price, but someone someday will give him 2500 for it. I can see this going for 2,000, but again, someone will give him 2500 for it someday. Might be a long time however. O! Mike From: George Cohn Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 10:30 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Bakers Chocolate Tank Car Am I missing something or have the prices of some original AF cars really gone through the roof? http://tinyurl.com/3ww336v Bakers Chocolate tank car on eBay with a BIN of $2,500. I guess I had better take the two I have off the display shelf and put them in the safe. George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64967	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Bakers Chocolate Tank Car

Hi George, I've seen this car on eBay several times, always the same $2,500 BIN. It seems like the seller lists it every couple of months or so. Maybe he will get a buyer sooner or later. I'm not sure what would happen if someone email him a reasonable offer - he might take it and save the ebay commission??? BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: > > Am I missing something or have the prices of some original AF cars > really gone through the roof? > > http://tinyurl.com/3ww336v > > Bakers Chocolate tank car on eBay with a BIN of $2,500. > > I guess I had better take the two I have off the display shelf and put > them in the safe. > > George Cohn >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64968	From: Bruce	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in

Tom, They do, in fact, exist. As I said before, I have three 390 terminals, all new in package. Bruce From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 2:53 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in it. Hi Mike, This HO track is on page 20 of the 1950 Catalog. Numbers for Curved is HO-381 and Half Curve is HO-382. Straight number is not listed. This track is made exactly as the Standard "S" Gauge track. I never believed it until I seen it. I never seen a track terminal for HO as the 690 for "S", but after seeing the HO track I have to believe that the terminals exist and the number is most likely HO-390. When Gilbert came back with HO in 1955 they used Atlas HO track until the sixties when they had the HO track made in Japan. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: mikenguy9 <mikenguy9@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 1:01:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] does any one have a OLD American Flyer catalog which has Ho in it. Some one on ebay has a 390 track lock on says it is H0 it looks like the 690. I was told Flyer used Atlas track on their H0 trains. Has any one seen any 2 rail H0 track like the S track. I know this is S scale. 2 rail but H0 is also 2 rail. Thank you. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64969	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO

Thanks Jerry, That is some very interesting stuff. Does anyone know anything about that accessory with two tanks? Does it do anything? Is is lit? Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Feldman Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:02 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO All, The four pages of Gilbert HO products and the cover of the 1950 Gilbert Toys catalog have been placed on the group's Photos Page in the Gilbert HO Album. Please accept my apology for the less than stellar images, but to limit the size of the files to something manageable I had to use one of the lower resolutions when scanning.. _._,___ Jerry F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64970	From: jshannon148	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Is it a box car or a reefer?

Rich, thanks, that is exactly what I needed to know. Guess my "box cars" are not the rare reefers that I had hoped them to be. John --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "richs009" <richs009@...> wrote: > > John - the 639 cars don't have movable doors - that is, the doors are cast as part of the car body. In that case (and I think this is true of later box cars and reefers) there are two easy to see differences between a box car and the reefer. First, the roof on the box car has two hatches (part of the plastic casting), one on each end of the car (opposite corners) while the roof of the reefer has a hatch on each corner (four total). Second, the door on the box car has horizontal slats or corregations on the whole door while the door on the reefer is plain, but with two vertical 'bars' cast as part of the door, along with a 'v' shaped casting on the lower part of the door, all of which are meant to 'model' the door closing mechanism on the prototype reefer. > > I've noticed on some of the later AF and Flyonel cars where the doors actually slide open that the roof detail seems to be the same (two hatches instead of four) on both the box cars and reefers, even though the door castings are different. I'm not sure whether this is true of all AF reefers with openable doors. > > If you go on to eBay and into the Flyer listings, then search on 'reefer door' and 'box car door' you'll see examples of the door differences I describe above. > > - Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jshannon148" <jshannon148@> wrote: > > > > I see in the TM Guide that the AF 639 is listed as both a box car and as a reefer. How can I tell which one I have, what features make the difference? > > > > Thanks, John > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64971	From: R G	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Oil supply ?Depot

The item I believe you are referring to is the oil supply depot. I have an S-Scale version. They have no animation or lights. They could be use on a layout to simulate a fueling facility for your diesel locomotives. I do not believe any were big sellers as they were only catalog a few years and not all that common today. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64972	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO

From the description in the catalog is does not appear do anything but look like a pumping station. It also does not appear to be lit, whereas the HO-253 Roadside Diner is specifically described in the catalog as being lit. (BTW, I am just going by what I see in the catalog. I don't actually have any of these HO items.) Jerry F. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Porter Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:08 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO Thanks Jerry, That is some very interesting stuff. Does anyone know anything about that accessory with two tanks? Does it do anything? Is is lit? Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Gerald Feldman Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:02 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO All, The four pages of Gilbert HO products and the cover of the 1950 Gilbert Toys catalog have been placed on the group's Photos Page in the Gilbert HO Album. Please accept my apology for the less than stellar images, but to limit the size of the files to something manageable I had to use one of the lower resolutions when scanning.. _._,___ Jerry F. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64973	From: Jeff Faust	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: My first kitbash project and Dual Gauge

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, weidner@... wrote: > > Wow, never thought a famous train arthur would be on an e-mail list how cool. You mean to say that Tom Barker hasn't been checking in here, either? I really should have a talk with him sometime. > That was a great book, by the way. I will more than likely use gargraves  S track so it will look like it ties in with the O section which has a combination of gargraves and Atlas O track. Thanks for the compliment. Good luck with the layout. Be sure to post some photos!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64974	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO

Thanks Jerry, Maybe that means I could make one out of a couple of S-Scale tankers with bad running gear. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Feldman Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 5:30 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO From the description in the catalog is does not appear do anything but look like a pumping station. It also does not appear to be lit, whereas the HO-253 Roadside Diner is specifically described in the catalog as being lit. (BTW, I am just going by what I see in the catalog. I don't actually have any of these HO items.) Jerry F.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64975	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy question...

Roy, I understand your frustration but we were lucky to get it at all. Think of the total number of new pieces Lionel comes out with every year and the engineering nightmare it must be. And after all we are the Stepchild (S) gauge. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Roy Inman Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 10:44 PM To: S-trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy question... Carl, I have no doubt that your charge for doing all that critical, meticulous machining work is cheap at twice the price. It just kind of irritates me that I paid $650+ for an engine that I now need to spend more on just to get it to the point where it should have been when it left the factory. Wasn¹t anyone at Lionel paying attention? At all? Do they know and just not care, or do they just not know? Roy From: <carl@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 21:52:08 -0400 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy question... John, Narrowing the truck frames does not effect the stability of the tender at all. The main culprit in tipsy tenders is the misalignment of the centipede truck frames. If your tender sways just going down the track then the frame needs aligning. This is done by adjusting the shimming of the centipede frame halves until the flanged wheelsets sit squarely on the track. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ]On Behalf Of jtkeating Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 5:28 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy question... Carl, Thank You for posting the info regarding narrowing the trucks on the Flyonel Big Boy Loco. Have you noticed any tendency for the tender to rock side to side with the trucks narrowed? Thanks in advance. John Keating --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , <carl@...> wrote: > > Roy, > > Here is a link to what I do to make the BB trucks narrower. > http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/truck-mod/BB-Truck-Mods.htm > > I have done four of these this way. > > Carl > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ]On Behalf > Of Roy Inman > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 12:51 AM > To: S-Trains > Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy question... > > > > Hi all, > Just after the Flyonel Big Boy¹s came out there was much talk about > changing > out the trailing wheels on the engine for ones that were more narrow. Now > that I am getting round to dealing with this problem I have lost the > thread > on suggestions. > Can anyone fill me in please? > Roy > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64976	From: Bill Drake	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO

If you look closely at the catalog numbers, the oil depot, the water tank and the oil well all have S gauge part numbers.   Bill Drake From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2011 2:08 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO   Thanks Jerry, That is some very interesting stuff. Does anyone know anything about that accessory with two tanks? Does it do anything? Is is lit? Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Feldman Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:02 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO All, The four pages of Gilbert HO products and the cover of the 1950 Gilbert Toys catalog have been placed on the group's Photos Page in the Gilbert HO Album. Please accept my apology for the less than stellar images, but to limit the size of the files to something manageable I had to use one of the lower resolutions when scanning.. _._,___ Jerry F. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64977	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO

As well as the No. 596 Water Tower, the No. 586F Wayside Station, the No. 763 Mountain set, the No. 758A Sam, the Semaphore Man and the No. 583A Electromagnetic Crane. Jerry F. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Drake Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:21 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO If you look closely at the catalog numbers, the oil depot, the water tank and the oil well all have S gauge part numbers. Bill Drake From: Bill Porter <wpporter@... <mailto:wpporter%40duckburg.us> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2011 2:08 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO Thanks Jerry, That is some very interesting stuff. Does anyone know anything about that accessory with two tanks? Does it do anything? Is is lit? Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Gerald Feldman Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:02 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO All, The four pages of Gilbert HO products and the cover of the 1950 Gilbert Toys catalog have been placed on the group's Photos Page in the Gilbert HO Album. Please accept my apology for the less than stellar images, but to limit the size of the files to something manageable I had to use one of the lower resolutions when scanning.. _._,___ Jerry F. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64978	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Is it a box car or a reefer?

The differences are shown in pictures on this page of TheGilbertGallery.org:       http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/freight_gallery.html --- On Wed, 6/1/11, jshannon148 <jshannon148@...> wrote: From: jshannon148 <jshannon148@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Is it a box car or a reefer? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 1, 2011, 1:38 PM   Rich, thanks, that is exactly what I needed to know. Guess my "box cars" are not the rare reefers that I had hoped them to be. John --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "richs009" <richs009@...> wrote: > > John - the 639 cars don't have movable doors - that is, the doors are cast as part of the car body. In that case (and I think this is true of later box cars and reefers) there are two easy to see differences between a box car and the reefer. First, the roof on the box car has two hatches (part of the plastic casting), one on each end of the car (opposite corners) while the roof of the reefer has a hatch on each corner (four total). Second, the door on the box car has horizontal slats or corregations on the whole door while the door on the reefer is plain, but with two vertical 'bars' cast as part of the door, along with a 'v' shaped casting on the lower part of the door, all of which are meant to 'model' the door closing mechanism on the prototype reefer. > > I've noticed on some of the later AF and Flyonel cars where the doors actually slide open that the roof detail seems to be the same (two hatches instead of four) on both the box cars and reefers, even though the door castings are different. I'm not sure whether this is true of all AF reefers with openable doors. > > If you go on to eBay and into the Flyer listings, then search on 'reefer door' and 'box car door' you'll see examples of the door differences I describe above. > > - Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jshannon148" <jshannon148@> wrote: > > > > I see in the TM Guide that the AF 639 is listed as both a box car and as a reefer. How can I tell which one I have, what features make the difference? > > > > Thanks, John > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64979	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy question...

Carl, Right you are :) It is good to at least have a pretty good stab at an articulated engine. Roy From: <carl@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 19:26:45 -0400 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy question... Roy, I understand your frustration but we were lucky to get it at all. Think of the total number of new pieces Lionel comes out with every year and the engineering nightmare it must be. And after all we are the Stepchild (S) gauge. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ]On Behalf Of Roy Inman Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 10:44 PM To: S-trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy question... Carl, I have no doubt that your charge for doing all that critical, meticulous machining work is cheap at twice the price. It just kind of irritates me that I paid $650+ for an engine that I now need to spend more on just to get it to the point where it should have been when it left the factory. Wasn¹t anyone at Lionel paying attention? At all? Do they know and just not care, or do they just not know? Roy From: <carl@... <mailto:carl%40tuveson.com> > Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 21:52:08 -0400 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy question... John, Narrowing the truck frames does not effect the stability of the tender at all. The main culprit in tipsy tenders is the misalignment of the centipede truck frames. If your tender sways just going down the track then the frame needs aligning. This is done by adjusting the shimming of the centipede frame halves until the flanged wheelsets sit squarely on the track. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ]On Behalf Of jtkeating Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 5:28 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy question... Carl, Thank You for posting the info regarding narrowing the trucks on the Flyonel Big Boy Loco. Have you noticed any tendency for the tender to rock side to side with the trucks narrowed? Thanks in advance. John Keating --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , <carl@...> wrote: > > Roy, > > Here is a link to what I do to make the BB trucks narrower. > http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/truck-mod/BB-Truck-Mods.htm > > I have done four of these this way. > > Carl > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ]On Behalf > Of Roy Inman > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 12:51 AM > To: S-Trains > Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy question... > > > > Hi all, > Just after the Flyonel Big Boy¹s came out there was much talk about > changing > out the trailing wheels on the engine for ones that were more narrow. Now > that I am getting round to dealing with this problem I have lost the > thread > on suggestions. > Can anyone fill me in please? > Roy > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64980	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Question for BG1

Hi Barb, You can see some photos of the fence here: http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album119?page=1 I used rectangular window screen mesh I bought at Walmart. This is different than the typical diagonal or square screen mesh. I used plastic rod for the fence posts and rails. I don't remember the rod diameter but can put a micrometer on it if you want the exact size. I used thread to tie the mesh to the posts and rails but you could probably use superglue to attach it (I tend to go overboard sometimes - hahaha!). If you need some better photos or close-ups, etc just let me know. ttyl, David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, barb <rcespeak@...> wrote: > > Hey Bull, > > I am ready to start installing the chain link fence > around my refinery. > > I crawled through the photos in the album gallery but > can't find a pic of yours. Would you email me a pic of > your chain link fence or post it in your album on > MyFlyerTrains.org? > > I want to use it for reference as I install mine. > > Thanks bunches.... Barb >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64981	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Question for BG1

Dave. the rods are .032. You told me this once, as that is what I used for my backstop. Mike From: bull_gator_1 Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 8:43 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Question for BG1 Hi Barb, You can see some photos of the fence here: http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album119?page=1 I used rectangular window screen mesh I bought at Walmart. This is different than the typical diagonal or square screen mesh. I used plastic rod for the fence posts and rails. I don't remember the rod diameter but can put a micrometer on it if you want the exact size. I used thread to tie the mesh to the posts and rails but you could probably use superglue to attach it (I tend to go overboard sometimes - hahaha!). If you need some better photos or close-ups, etc just let me know. ttyl, David --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, barb <rcespeak@...> wrote: > > Hey Bull, > > I am ready to start installing the chain link fence > around my refinery. > > I crawled through the photos in the album gallery but > can't find a pic of yours. Would you email me a pic of > your chain link fence or post it in your album on > MyFlyerTrains.org? > > I want to use it for reference as I install mine. > > Thanks bunches.... Barb > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64982	From: Ben Perry	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Is it a box car or a reefer?

Thank you Robert for the fine photos that show the difference between the box car and a reefer. There are no hatches on the box cars. They are part of the roof walk and were used on the prototype for brakemen for access to and from the ladders. Ben Perry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64983	From: Alex M	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Question for BG1

Nice photos! Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: bull_gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 8:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Question for BG1 Hi Barb, You can see some photos of the fence here: http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album119?page=1 I used rectangular window screen mesh I bought at Walmart. This is different than the typical diagonal or square screen mesh. I used plastic rod for the fence posts and rails. I don't remember the rod diameter but can put a micrometer on it if you want the exact size. I used thread to tie the mesh to the posts and rails but you could probably use superglue to attach it (I tend to go overboard sometimes - hahaha!). If you need some better photos or close-ups, etc just let me know. ttyl, David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, barb <rcespeak@...> wrote: > > Hey Bull, > > I am ready to start installing the chain link fence > around my refinery. > > I crawled through the photos in the album gallery but > can't find a pic of yours. Would you email me a pic of > your chain link fence or post it in your album on > MyFlyerTrains.org? > > I want to use it for reference as I install mine. > > Thanks bunches.... Barb > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64984	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Update on LBR Rubber Tires

Hi All, As most of you know the original rubber tires on my Lionel Northern 48047 basically stretched out of shape and grew a large lump in them after less than an hour of run time followed by sitting on the track for a week. I've posted some photos of the Lionel tires here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/117711802/pic/list Dave at LBR Enterprises sent me a free set of his replacement rubber tires to test on the Northern. He sent a pair of the small and large bands since he wasn't sure which would fit the Northern. The large bands fit. I installed them and successfully ran the Northern around the layout several times last weekend. The Northern has been sitting in front of the station for 10 days and I just ran it around the layout a few times and everything is perfect. So if you need a great set of tires to replace the crap that Lionel sells get in touch with Dave at LBR! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64985	From: richs009	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Is it a box car or a reefer?

Robert -- yes, thanks for the photos. And Ben, thanks for the correction. I had said something about 'hatches' on the box cars - and you are right, of course, that box cars typically don't have such hatches and that what one sees on the AF box cars is indeed a part of the roof walk. Good catch. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Ben Perry <traindspr@...> wrote: > > Thank you Robert for the fine photos that show the difference between the box car and a reefer. > > There are no hatches on the box cars. They are part of the roof walk and were used on the prototype for brakemen for access to and from the ladders. > > Ben Perry > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64986	From: Dale Smith	Date: 6/1/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO

Those two pages are very confusing. From the headings you would assume that one side is HO and the other is S, but in fact there are a mix of both HO and S accessories on both pages. The HO accessories have "HO" in front of the number. Also, the 257 talking station in HO never looked like that. They couldn't fit the mechanism in the smaller HO Mystic Station so they put it in an S gauge Express Station. See http://www.gilbertho.org/accessories/257.htm for a look. The whistling station worked OK in HO. Dale On 6/1/2011 4:55 PM, Gerald Feldman wrote: > > As well as the No. 596 Water Tower, the No. 586F Wayside Station, the > No. 763 Mountain set, the No. 758A Sam, the Semaphore Man and the No. > 583A Electromagnetic Crane. > > Jerry F. > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of Bill Drake > Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:21 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO > > If you look closely at the catalog numbers, the oil depot, the water > tank and the oil well all have S gauge part numbers. > > Bill Drake > > From: Bill Porter <wpporter@... > <mailto:wpporter%40duckburg.us> <mailto:wpporter%40duckburg.us> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2011 2:08 PM > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO > > Thanks Jerry, That is some very interesting stuff. > > Does anyone know anything about that accessory with two tanks? Does it > do anything? Is is lit? > > Bill > > Reply from Bill Porter > South Florida > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf Of Gerald Feldman > Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:02 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO > > All, > > The four pages of Gilbert HO products and the cover of the 1950 Gilbert > Toys catalog have been placed on the group's Photos Page in the Gilbert > HO Album. > > Please accept my apology for the less than stellar images, but to limit > the size of the files to something manageable I had to use one of the > lower resolutions when scanning.. _._,___ > > Jerry F. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64987	From: Herbert	Date: 6/2/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO

Dale, Looks like they were trying to promote some of the "S" accesssories or HO use. Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > Those two pages are very confusing. From the headings you would assume > that one side is HO and the other is S, but in fact there are a mix of > both HO and S accessories on both pages. The HO accessories have "HO" > in front of the number. Also, the 257 talking station in HO never > looked like that. They couldn't fit the mechanism in the smaller HO > Mystic Station so they put it in an S gauge Express Station. See > http://www.gilbertho.org/accessories/257.htm for a look. The whistling > station worked OK in HO. > > Dale > > > > On 6/1/2011 4:55 PM, Gerald Feldman wrote: > > > > As well as the No. 596 Water Tower, the No. 586F Wayside Station, the > > No. 763 Mountain set, the No. 758A Sam, the Semaphore Man and the No. > > 583A Electromagnetic Crane. > > > > Jerry F. > > > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>] > > On Behalf Of Bill Drake > > Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:21 PM > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO > > > > If you look closely at the catalog numbers, the oil depot, the water > > tank and the oil well all have S gauge part numbers. > > > > Bill Drake > > > > From: Bill Porter <wpporter@... > > <mailto:wpporter%40duckburg.us> <mailto:wpporter%40duckburg.us> > > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2011 2:08 PM > > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO > > > > Thanks Jerry, That is some very interesting stuff. > > > > Does anyone know anything about that accessory with two tanks? Does it > > do anything? Is is lit? > > > > Bill > > > > Reply from Bill Porter > > South Florida > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > > Behalf Of Gerald Feldman > > Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:02 AM > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO > > > > All, > > > > The four pages of Gilbert HO products and the cover of the 1950 Gilbert > > Toys catalog have been placed on the group's Photos Page in the Gilbert > > HO Album. > > > > Please accept my apology for the less than stellar images, but to limit > > the size of the files to something manageable I had to use one of the > > lower resolutions when scanning.. _._,___ > > > > Jerry F. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64988	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 6/2/2011
Subject: Re: Update on LBR Rubber Tires

I need a set of those Northern tires, too. Same reason. How do I contact Dave at LBR? Thanks! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64989	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/2/2011
Subject: Re: SHS Open House tomorrow....a few reminders...

Following our reminder below, this is to highlight some points to avoid issues: Parking. Being Friday the marked parking spots in the business park will be occupied by the tenants of the other units (we are just Units 7D & 8). Please park in the church car park at the entrance to the business park - you can't miss it, the SHS truck will be parked there! Repairs As the SHS staff will be busy, we can't carry out repairs on Friday. You can leave items, but they will have to be picked up or shipped to you later. Hoquat Hobbies As some of you are aware Hoquat Hobbies are now co-located at the SHS warehouse. They will NOT be open for business on Friday and their stock cordoned off. This is to avoid confusion for staff and customers with regard to SHS products. Hoquat Hobbies will be having their GRAND OPENING on Saturday. Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64990	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/2/2011
Subject: Re: SHS Open House tomorrow....a few reminders...

Following our reminder below, this is to highlight some points to avoid issues: Parking. Being Friday the marked parking spots in the business park will be occupied by the tenants of the other units (we are just Units 7D & 8). Please park in the church car park at the entrance to the business park - you can't miss it, the SHS truck will be parked there! Repairs As the SHS staff will be busy, we can't carry out repairs on Friday. You can leave items, but they will have to be picked up or shipped to you later. Hoquat Hobbies As some of you are aware Hoquat Hobbies are now co-located at the SHS warehouse. They will NOT be open for business on Friday and their stock cordoned off. This is to avoid confusion for staff and customers with regard to SHS products. Hoquat Hobbies will be having their GRAND OPENING on Saturday. Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64991	From: alsflyer	Date: 6/2/2011
Subject: Atlas "S" Gauge Track

Yahoo has another "S" group called AmericanFlyerTrains@yahoogroups.com. There has been a small discussion regarding the fact that the Atlas Tool Co., Inc. of Hillside, NJ, made solid brass rail for "S" gauge. One of the group thought this must be wrong - that they only made HO brass rail. However, I know that Atlas did indeed make a solid brass rail track for "S" gauge/American Flyer but I don't have any time frame when they produced this track. Some years ago, I purchased a box of track at a train show in Ogden, Utah, and at the bottom was a few pieces of Atlas "S" gauge track - the track was a solid rail 10" long and there was also a 2 foot section of a flexible type track also. Also, in the box I found 3 boxes of Atlas "S" Rail Joiners. Each box contains 6 dozen (72) joiners made of brass. 2 boxes have all 6 dozen, and 1 box has 70 joiners. I have no idea what their value is today. Does anyone have any additional information regarding this track? Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64992	From: william cole	Date: 6/2/2011
Subject: Re: Atlas "S" Gauge Track

picture http://www.atlasrr.com/ARNweb/Images/Pics/History/Grandfather%201957.jpg   article http://www.atlasrr.com/ARNweb/Features/History/historyish1.htm Bc LOandS@yahoogroups.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Pink Spider: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A9CxhsFDE&feature=related ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence." - V ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SUPPORT ‘‘Flexibility in Rebuilding American Fisheries Act of 2007’’ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm#S "Have you considered my servant Job?" (Job 1:8) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64993	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 6/2/2011
Subject: Re: Update on LBR Rubber Tires

Ben,      Please go to our parts page at our ON-LINE-SALES web site at:                      http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html        Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc   --- On Thu, 6/2/11, Ben and Lynn Stiles <lbstiles@...> wrote: From: Ben and Lynn Stiles <lbstiles@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Update on LBR Rubber Tires To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011, 6:15 AM   I need a set of those Northern tires, too. Same reason. How do I contact Dave at LBR? Thanks! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64994	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/2/2011
Subject: Re: Atlas "S" Gauge Track

Dear Al, My friends at Atlas showed me test shots of track with roadbed very similar to our. Once they found out we were making track, they went to their archives and found the samples. They told me when the tooling was completed just about the time A.C. Gilbert was going out of business. The thinking was that without a source of AF, there market would not be big enough to support the production run. I was so surprised to see that the samples were almost exactly like ours. Must be something in the NJ water? Don On Jun 2, 2011, at 8:12 AM, alsflyer wrote: > Yahoo has another "S" group called > AmericanFlyerTrains@yahoogroups.com. There has been a small > discussion regarding the fact that the Atlas Tool Co., Inc. of > Hillside, NJ, made solid brass rail for "S" gauge. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64995	From: R G	Date: 6/2/2011
Subject: Re: SHS Open House tomorrow....a few reminders...

Love to come but work comes first! See you at York! ________________________________ From: Don Thompson <don@...> To: S Train e-group <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: e-group <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>; e_group <showcaseline@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 8:39:43 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SHS Open House tomorrow....a few reminders... Following our reminder below, this is to highlight some points to avoid issues: Parking. Being Friday the marked parking spots in the business park will be occupied by the tenants of the other units (we are just Units 7D & 8). Please park in the church car park at the entrance to the business park - you can't miss it, the SHS truck will be parked there! Repairs As the SHS staff will be busy, we can't carry out repairs on Friday. You can leave items, but they will have to be picked up or shipped to you later. Hoquat Hobbies As some of you are aware Hoquat Hobbies are now co-located at the SHS warehouse. They will NOT be open for business on Friday and their stock cordoned off. This is to avoid confusion for staff and customers with regard to SHS products. Hoquat Hobbies will be having their GRAND OPENING on Saturday. Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64996	From: wjchadbourne	Date: 6/2/2011
Subject: Pikemaster track

Glad to be home. I promised to tell how I made my display shelves for my trains. 1. Went to a display house and purchased moveable four inch deep shelf supports to place on wall mounted brackets. 2. Purchased baseboard floor molding (6 inch) and cut off the fancy part on top leaving 5 inch board (real wood not particleboard). 3. Ran boards through my thickness plainer just enough to remove the cove cut on the back which they had made for glue. 4. Sprayed each board liberally with cans of wall texture (orange peel). Be sure to do this outdoors because of the propellent used in the cans. 5. Sprayed each board with cans of Krylon Rock paint. I used the Black rock but one could use Grey or Brown to adjust to the color you want. I'm sure you could also use multiple colors and just not spray as heavy with any one color. The Rock paint is a splatter paint and when applied over the texture really does look like ballast. I did find that not all colors of Rock paint are available at all locations. I found the Black and Grey at Ace Hardware. Those two were not available at Home Depot or Lowes, but others colors were. Hope this helps someone. I sure have learned a lot from this site and love to share ideas. Bud

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64997	From: Ben	Date: 6/2/2011
Subject: Re: Update on LBR Rubber Tires

Hi Dave- Thanks for the info. So I need to order a set of part #TBL2, correct? If so- I will order within a day or two. My Lionel Northern has been on the shelf for months waiting for tires. Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > > Ben, >      Please go to our parts page at our ON-LINE-SALES web site at: >   >                    http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html >   >      Thank you all for your continuing support. > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc >   > > > --- On Thu, 6/2/11, Ben and Lynn Stiles <lbstiles@...> wrote: > > > From: Ben and Lynn Stiles <lbstiles@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Update on LBR Rubber Tires > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011, 6:15 AM > > >   > > > > I need a set of those Northern tires, too. Same reason. How do I contact > Dave at LBR? > > Thanks! Ben > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64998	From: Dale Smith	Date: 6/2/2011
Subject: Re: Atlas "S" Gauge Track

If you actually have a piece of Atlas S track, I would think it might be valuable. The article BC posted indicated that it was never produced, though obviously from the photo there was apparently some prototype track made. Also, somewhere I got the idea that the proposed Atlas S track was aluminum, but I am not sure about that. Dale On 6/2/2011 5:12 AM, alsflyer wrote: > > Yahoo has another "S" group called AmericanFlyerTrains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:AmericanFlyerTrains%40yahoogroups.com>. There has been a small > discussion regarding the fact that the Atlas Tool Co., Inc. of > Hillside, NJ, made solid brass rail for "S" gauge. > > One of the group thought this must be wrong - that they only made HO > brass rail. However, I know that Atlas did indeed make a solid brass > rail track for "S" gauge/American Flyer but I don't have any time > frame when they produced this track. > Some years ago, I purchased a box of track at a train show in Ogden, > Utah, and at the bottom was a few pieces of Atlas "S" gauge track - > the track was a solid rail 10" long and there was also a 2 foot > section of a flexible type track also. Also, in the box I found 3 > boxes of Atlas "S" Rail Joiners. Each box contains 6 dozen (72) > joiners made of brass. 2 boxes have all 6 dozen, and 1 box has 70 > joiners. I have no idea what their value is today. Does anyone have > any additional information regarding this track? > > Al > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 64999	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 6/2/2011
Subject: New Layout Tow Truck

Hi All, I picked up a TOYS Mater tow truck at Wallyworld to see if I could modify it for use on the layout. If you overlook the toy face it has some potential to be converted into a good truck for the layout. First I got out the Dremel and removed the teeth and mouth from the front grill. I filled in the scratches with some plaster then smoothed it out. I temporarily put an advertisement from 5 Flags Speedway, Pensacola, Florida. It's a 1/2 mile oval where I spent some of my teen years watching my cousin race his 1954 Ford. I've still got some work to do on the grill area. Next I drilled out the rivets, removed the "frame" and removed the windows and windshield (including the eyes). I cut some clear plastic sheet to replace the windshield. Then I put it all back together again. Next I'll turn it over to Tracie and she will touch up the paint and paint on some details. You can check out the original and the modified truck in my photo album: http://tiny.cc/85fgi This is somewhere between S and O, but it will probably fit in as a heavy duty tow truck for the AHL trucks on the layout. Keep your eyes open - you never know when you might find a potential layout goody hiding right under your nose. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65000	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: New Layout Tow Truck

BG1,      For you and any one that is interested we do have some of the world famous "PAZAN" tow trucks in stock along with other old motor truck carriers from the 30's through the 60's at our web site with access to many more. For more info. please contact us off group. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc --- On Thu, 6/2/11, bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> Subject: [S-Trains] New Layout Tow Truck To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011, 8:51 PM   Hi All, I picked up a TOYS Mater tow truck at Wallyworld to see if I could modify it for use on the layout. If you overlook the toy face it has some potential to be converted into a good truck for the layout. First I got out the Dremel and removed the teeth and mouth from the front grill. I filled in the scratches with some plaster then smoothed it out. I temporarily put an advertisement from 5 Flags Speedway, Pensacola, Florida. It's a 1/2 mile oval where I spent some of my teen years watching my cousin race his 1954 Ford. I've still got some work to do on the grill area. Next I drilled out the rivets, removed the "frame" and removed the windows and windshield (including the eyes). I cut some clear plastic sheet to replace the windshield. Then I put it all back together again. Next I'll turn it over to Tracie and she will touch up the paint and paint on some details. You can check out the original and the modified truck in my photo album: http://tiny.cc/85fgi This is somewhere between S and O, but it will probably fit in as a heavy duty tow truck for the AHL trucks on the layout. Keep your eyes open - you never know when you might find a potential layout goody hiding right under your nose. BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65001	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: Re: New Layout Tow Truck

BG.... I am doing something similar. There are actually two trucks in this series that have potential. Yesterday, I picked up the Pixar truck with the telescoping crane. It is a bit more modern in style than yours, but it too has potential. The front end is a bit less obnoxious to work with and a bit of filler will comer the "smile". I'm going to cut out the "smoked" windows and put in clear acrylic. Also, I really like the rear end design of this vehicle. Again the crane may be a bit modern looking, but it offers a bit of variety in an S vehicle once painted and weathered. Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65002	From: DonR	Date: 6/3/2011
Subject: NASG Convention and American Flyer

As far as I know, we are the only American Flyer and A.C. Gilbert collections stop on the self guided tour. It is on Tuesday, July 5. We would like to invite interested NASG convention goers to an open house that evenning. If that time is not convenient for you but would still like to come up for a visit and some AF and hi rail talk, let us know and we will find another time that week that is convenient. You should be able to find the information on the website but I will be glad to send it to you, both the description and the directions. You can then make a final decision. Let me know if you are interested. We are located about 50 minutes east of the convention site in the gold and wine country of El Dorado County. The welcome mat will be out and the grill will be hot. Western hospitality and American Flyer train conversation make a great combination. Many of you know us; and, for those who don't, let's get acquainted! Look forward to hearing from you. Email me off list for details. Don and Sue Rosa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65003	From: Tony Gervasio	Date: 6/4/2011
Subject: State Farm Cars 2 commercial

I'm sure several of you out there have seen the State Farm/ Cars 2 commercial where 'Mater breaks the storefront window and releases the 'pets' from the pet store, many of which look like pre-war tinplate toy trains running around the street.  Cool commercial, the trains look like hybrids of Lionel, AF and Marx.  How cool would it be for Lionel or MTH to release a couple of sets based on the trains in the ad?  :) Tony Gervasio/TulsaT [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65004	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/5/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/5/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday June 5, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65005	From: sgaugian	Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: Alton headlight and U33C

My Alton Pacific's headlight is noticeably not as bright as that of a Blue Comet Pacific and at least one other Mikado. What is yours like by comparison? Thanks. The U33Cs are now posted for November shipment instead of June at Lionel.com, but you may have already known that. Challengers still show August - - time will tell.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65006	From: jshannon148	Date: 6/7/2011
Subject: dating childhood train sets

I received from my father 3 American Flyer sets as a child. I am trying to remember which cars came with which set and what year (Christmas) they were likely received. I think one set was the 307-802-920-928-806 but it seems from what I was able to find that those cars were made last in 1957 when I was five – seems young for such a present. Were these cars together in a set and if so what year was it sold? I think the second set was the 21801-24549-25045-33648-24546. Were these cars together in a set and if so what year was it sold? It seems the 21801 was only made in 1958, so does that date this set as 1958? Thanks, John - Pittsburgh

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65007	From: richs009	Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: dating childhood train sets

John -- for cataloged sets, take a look at http://myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/Gilbert%20Catalogs.htm which should give you some ideas about what the cataloged sets were and when they were offered. Doyle's book "Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains" lists a large number of both cataloged and non-cataloged sets. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jshannon148" <jshannon148@...> wrote: > > I received from my father 3 American Flyer sets as a child. I am trying to remember which cars came with which set and what year (Christmas) they were likely received. > > I think one set was the 307-802-920-928-806 but it seems from what I was able to find that those cars were made last in 1957 when I was five – seems young for such a present. Were these cars together in a set and if so what year was it sold? > > I think the second set was the 21801-24549-25045-33648-24546. Were these cars together in a set and if so what year was it sold? It seems the 21801 was only made in 1958, so does that date this set as 1958? > > Thanks, John - Pittsburgh >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65008	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Fw: Layout 3

I sent some pictures of my layout to my doctor and his reply below. So show what you have to others. Mike Marmer. From: drliu@ Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 8:53 AM To: Michael & Linda Marmer Subject: Re: Layout 3 wow! no it should be WOW! very impressive. I was showing my partner Dr. Lin your collection. we were both amazed. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65009	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Dating childhood train sets

John, five was not too young to get a "real" electric train in the fifties. My first American Flyer train set came to me at Christams of 1954 when I was four years old. I got my first Erector set when I was five. In '58 my Dad decided that it was time for me to "move up" to HO scale trains with an Athearn set. I started TRYING to build those old Silver Streak HO wood and metal freight car kits that same year. When I was thirteen, he took my layout away and left me with a pile of lumber and some hand tools in the bsement and told me it was time to build my own layout. I think parents tended to expect kids to grow up faster in those days, since so many of them had to grow up faster during the Great Depression. We also rode bikes without helmets or protective gear, played football in the yard without gear too. I remember cuts and scrapes being attended to with; "Quit your whing, it's nothing," and a slathering with that too well know red stuff that burned like Hell. It was a differnt time. Stumpy in Martins Ferry, Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65010	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Mike Marmer and His Board Unloader Car

Hey Mike, How do you activate that thing? Papa Eastman shared the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BkvtXpq34w&feature=player_embedded#at=7 6 ) on the Marx list and it is getting a lot of nice comments. BTW, those of you interested in S-sized trains and accessories and who don't get too stuck on the two-rail thing might enjoy that group. It is friendly and covers a lot of toy train ground that intersects with Flyer in a good way. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65011	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Mike Marmer and His Board Unloader Car

Bill, It is a magic process of telepathy brain waves. I have four other action cars on the layout like this. No, it is DCC technology The work was done by SnS trains, as they did a AF Hudson and a AF Lionel Diesel too. Okay, you beat me to posting my own video, as I will write more about it later. LOL That is okay. This was my first attempt at a video just fooling around, but it did turn into something. Thanks for the kind comments, I am going to write more on it later. Mike From: Bill Porter Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 11:37 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Mike Marmer and His Board Unloader Car Hey Mike, How do you activate that thing? Papa Eastman shared the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BkvtXpq34w&feature=player_embedded#at=7 6 ) on the Marx list and it is getting a lot of nice comments. BTW, those of you interested in S-sized trains and accessories and who don't get too stuck on the two-rail thing might enjoy that group. It is friendly and covers a lot of toy train ground that intersects with Flyer in a good way. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65012	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: My first train video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BkvtXpq34w&feature=player_embedded#at=7 Last month while on our annual bike trip to the Penn Creek rail trail near Wellsboro, PA, we did a side trip to Watkins Glen, NY to hike the gorge there, as we have done that several times in the 80s. It was in 1987 on our last trip to Watkins Glen where I got my first 2 milk bottles that started me into collecting milk bottles way before I was back into trains. I will say that on our first trip to Watkins Glen, there was a craft shoppe right before the town and on one end wall, was nothing but AF engines on it. I am not sure they where for sale, but on the second trip to Watkins Glen, we could not find that place. But anyway, it was May 22, the day after the so called end of the world day, but my camera met its end this day. I am good at falling, as we came out of a antique shoppe and I stepped down and lost my balance and went flying. I got some scrapes, but I was okay, but the camera, it was not. The force of the fall knock the shutter button off, as I could not get it back in. So, I had to find a new camera when we got home, as I was thinking about getting a new one anyone. So, I have one now with video abilities and yesterday I thought I would go down stairs to the train layout and just fool around with it, but it actually turned into a 5 minute production. no, not the greatest video you will see, but it features a train backing up uncoupling the lumber car, to go to a sliding to unload the wood. So, the link to the video is above. My track is powered by DCC, so I am holding the camera and holding the hand held control unit to operate things. Next time, I will use the tripod. As it was a bit tricky trying to use the hand held control without looking at what I was doing. I over shot the uncoupler, and then I uncoupled the cars on the fly. The track which is wonderful is by Classic Trains of CA and the uncoupler is by American Models of MI. The track is bit higher then the AM track. Usually one stops over a uncoupler, but this one is a bit tricky in getting the cars to uncouple, so I know doing it on the run works. You have to have the cars just right over it to work and I did not want to spend boring time for you going back and forth. So it work. I went over head to show the switch turning, as then I over ran where I was going to unload the load. The lumber car is a reproduction Lionel AF car. There is no third rail for current and pick up shoe. I had the car converted over to DCC operation by SnS Trains in Idaho. Well worth the money in converting the car, as I have four more action cars converted over to DCC. 1 box car, 1 milk car, 1 auto unloader and one log dump car converted. You set the code for the car on the hand held unit and press 2 to move the men forward and press 2 again to move them back. I press 2 to move forward, but in getting the over head shot, I did not press 2 to move it back. Then I press 2 to continue the operation of unloading, but the action was multiple unloads. This is not normally how it is done. I think because I did not move it back right away the first time, some pent up energy was in the unit. At the end you see how slower it is, that is how it is done. No problems like this with the other cars. Then I re-coupled the cars. I did not have the engine smoke unit on, but then I turned it on as it comes around the bend. You can see some smoke if you look closely, but I would of freshen up the unit then. The engine is by S Helper Service. There is a bell sound and other sounds that it makes. You can see the crossing gates go down, as they do go down after the train has cross the road. This is because I had to put the first sensor after a switch, which is right by the crossing. If I put it before the switch, it would activate the crossing, even if the train went the other way, as it does cross the same road. I might move the sensor before the switch. The utility room door where the washer and dryer is was open, so that should have been closed. You can heard the end of the dryer cycle turning off. By the way, the dryer, a Sears, is 28 years old! We are original owners. And yes, there is a rack of clothes too. I will try a eye level video soon, as I will do one with the crossing gates and other action cars. Maybe some clarinet playing too. Now that would be torture I bet. We have a baseball game in Hagerstown MD, so I will be getting some video up close of Bryce Harper, last year’s number one pick in the baseball draft. Anyway, a learning experience. This is going to the S Scale list too, as this layout is not 100% AF nor is it 100% scale, but I hope someone might like it no matter, as I know the lumber car is not something done on a scale layout. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65013	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Overhead video of Lumber car

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubQaVQok94A I have a overhead video of the Lumber car working on DCC. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65014	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Operating Lumber Car

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTw9A9lyppY Okay, I got a video of the S gauge lumber car operating the way it should be from eye level. I will have a video of the car operating from above as it works with no third or power rail. It works anywhere on the layout. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65015	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Mike Marmer and His Board Unloader Car

Ah telepathy, that explains why I just knew you were going to post it. I like DCC from a conceptual basis and your demo video is a strong argument for it. I hope I didn't steal your thunder. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 1:43 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mike Marmer and His Board Unloader Car Bill, It is a magic process of telepathy brain waves. I have four other action cars on the layout like this. No, it is DCC technology The work was done by SnS trains, as they did a AF Hudson and a AF Lionel Diesel too. Okay, you beat me to posting my own video, as I will write more about it later. LOL That is okay. This was my first attempt at a video just fooling around, but it did turn into something. Thanks for the kind comments, I am going to write more on it later. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65016	From: Tony Gervasio	Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: My first train video

I think it's a fine first video effort, Mike.  I enjoyed it quite a bit.  Nice layout too.  :)   Tony Gervasio  (TulsaT) From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; s-scale@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2011 1:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] My first train video   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BkvtXpq34w&feature=player_embedded#at=7 Last month while on our annual bike trip to the Penn Creek rail trail near Wellsboro, PA, we did a side trip to Watkins Glen, NY to hike the gorge there, as we have done that several times in the 80s. It was in 1987 on our last trip to Watkins Glen where I got my first 2 milk bottles that started me into collecting milk bottles way before I was back into trains. I will say that on our first trip to Watkins Glen, there was a craft shoppe right before the town and on one end wall, was nothing but AF engines on it. I am not sure they where for sale, but on the second trip to Watkins Glen, we could not find that place. But anyway, it was May 22, the day after the so called end of the world day, but my camera met its end this day. I am good at falling, as we came out of a antique shoppe and I stepped down and lost my balance and went flying. I got some scrapes, but I was okay, but the camera, it was not. The force of the fall knock the shutter button off, as I could not get it back in. So, I had to find a new camera when we got home, as I was thinking about getting a new one anyone. So, I have one now with video abilities and yesterday I thought I would go down stairs to the train layout and just fool around with it, but it actually turned into a 5 minute production. no, not the greatest video you will see, but it features a train backing up uncoupling the lumber car, to go to a sliding to unload the wood. So, the link to the video is above. My track is powered by DCC, so I am holding the camera and holding the hand held control unit to operate things. Next time, I will use the tripod. As it was a bit tricky trying to use the hand held control without looking at what I was doing. I over shot the uncoupler, and then I uncoupled the cars on the fly. The track which is wonderful is by Classic Trains of CA and the uncoupler is by American Models of MI. The track is bit higher then the AM track. Usually one stops over a uncoupler, but this one is a bit tricky in getting the cars to uncouple, so I know doing it on the run works. You have to have the cars just right over it to work and I did not want to spend boring time for you going back and forth. So it work. I went over head to show the switch turning, as then I over ran where I was going to unload the load. The lumber car is a reproduction Lionel AF car. There is no third rail for current and pick up shoe. I had the car converted over to DCC operation by SnS Trains in Idaho. Well worth the money in converting the car, as I have four more action cars converted over to DCC. 1 box car, 1 milk car, 1 auto unloader and one log dump car converted. You set the code for the car on the hand held unit and press 2 to move the men forward and press 2 again to move them back. I press 2 to move forward, but in getting the over head shot, I did not press 2 to move it back. Then I press 2 to continue the operation of unloading, but the action was multiple unloads. This is not normally how it is done. I think because I did not move it back right away the first time, some pent up energy was in the unit. At the end you see how slower it is, that is how it is done. No problems like this with the other cars. Then I re-coupled the cars. I did not have the engine smoke unit on, but then I turned it on as it comes around the bend. You can see some smoke if you look closely, but I would of freshen up the unit then. The engine is by S Helper Service. There is a bell sound and other sounds that it makes. You can see the crossing gates go down, as they do go down after the train has cross the road. This is because I had to put the first sensor after a switch, which is right by the crossing. If I put it before the switch, it would activate the crossing, even if the train went the other way, as it does cross the same road. I might move the sensor before the switch. The utility room door where the washer and dryer is was open, so that should have been closed. You can heard the end of the dryer cycle turning off. By the way, the dryer, a Sears, is 28 years old! We are original owners. And yes, there is a rack of clothes too. I will try a eye level video soon, as I will do one with the crossing gates and other action cars. Maybe some clarinet playing too. Now that would be torture I bet. We have a baseball game in Hagerstown MD, so I will be getting some video up close of Bryce Harper, last year’s number one pick in the baseball draft. Anyway, a learning experience. This is going to the S Scale list too, as this layout is not 100% AF nor is it 100% scale, but I hope someone might like it no matter, as I know the lumber car is not something done on a scale layout. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65017	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: Mike Marmer and His Board Unloader Car

LOL Bill, that is fine, as I am glad Steve posted it on the Marx list. Actually Steve sent me a Marx figure for my leadership on the layout. They will be featured soon. If you don’t know the story behind Hugo and Che, well, I can explain it again, all has to do with my Citgo sign, that a O gauger did not like. O gaugers, HA! Citgo Sign will be in a video this evening too. Like anything new in technology, once you get used to how to use it, you will love it. I got some videos now of the car working the way it should. This could be dangerous, making videos. LOL Wait till I post me playing clarinet on YouTube. LOL Mike From: Bill Porter Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 3:49 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Mike Marmer and His Board Unloader Car Ah telepathy, that explains why I just knew you were going to post it. I like DCC from a conceptual basis and your demo video is a strong argument for it. I hope I didn't steal your thunder. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 1:43 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mike Marmer and His Board Unloader Car Bill, It is a magic process of telepathy brain waves. I have four other action cars on the layout like this. No, it is DCC technology The work was done by SnS trains, as they did a AF Hudson and a AF Lionel Diesel too. Okay, you beat me to posting my own video, as I will write more about it later. LOL That is okay. This was my first attempt at a video just fooling around, but it did turn into something. Thanks for the kind comments, I am going to write more on it later. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65018	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: My first train video

Thanks Tom. I think you subscribed to my YouTube videos. I just want you to be aware, that I will be doing videos of not just trains. This could be dangerous. LOL Thanks for the kind comments. Mike From: Tony Gervasio Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 3:21 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] My first train video I think it's a fine first video effort, Mike. I enjoyed it quite a bit. Nice layout too. :) Tony Gervasio (TulsaT) From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com; mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com; mailto:s-scale%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2011 1:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] My first train video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BkvtXpq34w&feature=player_embedded#at=7 Last month while on our annual bike trip to the Penn Creek rail trail near Wellsboro, PA, we did a side trip to Watkins Glen, NY to hike the gorge there, as we have done that several times in the 80s. It was in 1987 on our last trip to Watkins Glen where I got my first 2 milk bottles that started me into collecting milk bottles way before I was back into trains. I will say that on our first trip to Watkins Glen, there was a craft shoppe right before the town and on one end wall, was nothing but AF engines on it. I am not sure they where for sale, but on the second trip to Watkins Glen, we could not find that place. But anyway, it was May 22, the day after the so called end of the world day, but my camera met its end this day. I am good at falling, as we came out of a antique shoppe and I stepped down and lost my balance and went flying. I got some scrapes, but I was okay, but the camera, it was not. The force of the fall knock the shutter button off, as I could not get it back in. So, I had to find a new camera when we got home, as I was thinking about getting a new one anyone. So, I have one now with video abilities and yesterday I thought I would go down stairs to the train layout and just fool around with it, but it actually turned into a 5 minute production. no, not the greatest video you will see, but it features a train backing up uncoupling the lumber car, to go to a sliding to unload the wood. So, the link to the video is above. My track is powered by DCC, so I am holding the camera and holding the hand held control unit to operate things. Next time, I will use the tripod. As it was a bit tricky trying to use the hand held control without looking at what I was doing. I over shot the uncoupler, and then I uncoupled the cars on the fly. The track which is wonderful is by Classic Trains of CA and the uncoupler is by American Models of MI. The track is bit higher then the AM track. Usually one stops over a uncoupler, but this one is a bit tricky in getting the cars to uncouple, so I know doing it on the run works. You have to have the cars just right over it to work and I did not want to spend boring time for you going back and forth. So it work. I went over head to show the switch turning, as then I over ran where I was going to unload the load. The lumber car is a reproduction Lionel AF car. There is no third rail for current and pick up shoe. I had the car converted over to DCC operation by SnS Trains in Idaho. Well worth the money in converting the car, as I have four more action cars converted over to DCC. 1 box car, 1 milk car, 1 auto unloader and one log dump car converted. You set the code for the car on the hand held unit and press 2 to move the men forward and press 2 again to move them back. I press 2 to move forward, but in getting the over head shot, I did not press 2 to move it back. Then I press 2 to continue the operation of unloading, but the action was multiple unloads. This is not normally how it is done. I think because I did not move it back right away the first time, some pent up energy was in the unit. At the end you see how slower it is, that is how it is done. No problems like this with the other cars. Then I re-coupled the cars. I did not have the engine smoke unit on, but then I turned it on as it comes around the bend. You can see some smoke if you look closely, but I would of freshen up the unit then. The engine is by S Helper Service. There is a bell sound and other sounds that it makes. You can see the crossing gates go down, as they do go down after the train has cross the road. This is because I had to put the first sensor after a switch, which is right by the crossing. If I put it before the switch, it would activate the crossing, even if the train went the other way, as it does cross the same road. I might move the sensor before the switch. The utility room door where the washer and dryer is was open, so that should have been closed. You can heard the end of the dryer cycle turning off. By the way, the dryer, a Sears, is 28 years old! We are original owners. And yes, there is a rack of clothes too. I will try a eye level video soon, as I will do one with the crossing gates and other action cars. Maybe some clarinet playing too. Now that would be torture I bet. We have a baseball game in Hagerstown MD, so I will be getting some video up close of Bryce Harper, last year’s number one pick in the baseball draft. Anyway, a learning experience. This is going to the S Scale list too, as this layout is not 100% AF nor is it 100% scale, but I hope someone might like it no matter, as I know the lumber car is not something done on a scale layout. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65019	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: NJ International Signals

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiPoeUlFWjs I have a video of my S scale NJ International signals on the layout. This is a double track with the signals having crossing arms. I have another track single, with signals with crossing arms. And then the last set is just the cross bucks no arms for the truck area. The signals are made in all scales and are very detail, just like the real thing. They work great. The support at both NJI and Train Speed is great. they work on sensors between the ties as you can not see them. You can get a bell unit for them, I have not done that yet. I highly recommend them for any layout. And yes, the international engine whistle is applied, as I have scale W signs too. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65020	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/8/2011
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Citgo Sign in Action

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z39E5JoimVk&feature=related The real Citgo Sign in Boston. Mike From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 9:19 PM To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com ; s-scale@yahoogroups.com ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; cookie flannery ; Steve Conard ; John Picur ; jsnell5990@... ; Suz Fraser ; Ted Miller ; Linda Marmer ; Michael & Linda Marmer Cc: milleren@... Subject: {S-Scale List} Citgo Sign in Action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOdQ5uQc2W0 My last video for today is for the Citgo sign in action made by Miller Engineering. This video reminds me of being at the ballpark at Reading, PA, Reading Phillies, as in the outfield is a RR yard. The Citgo Sign is double sided, as you can have 42 different ways it lights up. The other side, I have it where Citgo lights up first then it blinks like the front sign. You can have it psychedelic too! The scoreboard, made by me with vinyl letters, numbers and lines is like Fenway Park, as the Citgo sign there is on a roof of a building and sideways. Fenway is a wonderful place. Again, the infield is in scale, as I can tell you ever measurement on a baseball field. However,, I used scale 3” strips for the lines, could not find 2.5” strips. Yikes. However the outfield is not in scale, as not enough room. The score is forever frozen in time, as who knows if the D&K RR team will get out of this jam with 2 on, 2 outs, 3,2 count. leading by one run and the championship game on the line. The train will go by in the back ground. Please notice that this baseball team is a farm club for the Washington Nationals. Our time will be soon! O! Notice cat on infield. That is the curse of the 1969 Cubs, as they where in first place, and they where playing the Mets. Well a cat ran out and into the first and it was bye bye first place to the Amazing Mets who went on to beat the Baltimore Orioles who I think won 109 games in 1969. 4 games to 1, complete shock to the team and world. There is a fan in the stand, as you can not see this fan, holding a Giants place card. I think that is Grant Bishop of SF, diehard Giants fan. The milk bottle on the pole is a painted eraser that Linda got at a dietetic meeting. No Coke bottle here like at SF. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65021	From: Carey Probst	Date: 6/9/2011
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: My first train video

If you really want some fun roads in PA next time you are on 6, go south on 220 and in Dushore take 87 to Williamsport. A real blast to drive in my Bimmer. One of those roads with little police presence and the game is drive the whole way at 65-70 and never touch your brakes. Fun to watch the pony cars try to keep up on occasion. When you get to Williamsport check out the train museum and English's Model RR store in Montoursville, home of Bowser Mfg. On the way back to Bradford, try 287. It's a lot like 87 and a blast to drive. You can also hike the Rails to Trails path to Jersey Shore which hopefully will be extended shortly to the train station/museum/MRR club in Castenea. This week I am taking pictures for the museum of them hand laying 150 ft. of rail and delivery of their first box car, Erie #87225. A PRR caboose (come visit Bill Lane) has been left to them when the current owner passes away. Pictures of the track construction and delivery and video of the delivery will shortly be posted to the museum website and my train pages. Details to follow. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 6/8/2011 8:21 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > > > > From: Bud Rindfleisch > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 7:40 PM > To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Scale%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: My first train video > > Hi Bud, > > Thanks, as I was thinking of getting a new camera. > > Yes, we have been to the museum in Hagerstown, many times. > > They have some 2 rail O gauge trains running in that museum. > > We live about 45 minutes from Hagerstown, so we are in the area allot > for baseball and biking on the C&O Canal. > > We have been to the Train Room hobby shoppe many times. > > Have you motorcycled on US 6 in PA. Suppose to be a wonderful road for > cars and motorcycles. > > We go there, Wellsboro, PA US 6 ever year for biking on the Pine Creek > Rail Trail. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65022	From: Ray Puls	Date: 6/9/2011
Subject: Re: operating lumber car

Hey Mike, Nice video, I really like the idea of an operating layout using operating accessories. Gives playing with trains the extra needed touch. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65023	From: Bruce	Date: 6/9/2011
Subject: Re: Dating childhood train sets

Yep, Stumpy, that "red stuff" would have been iodine. My parents used it on my cuts back in the 50's. Also, spray on Bactine. I wonder what every happened to that stuff. Bruce From: mrstumpy50 Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 7:32 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Dating childhood train sets John, five was not too young to get a "real" electric train in the fifties. My first American Flyer train set came to me at Christams of 1954 when I was four years old. I got my first Erector set when I was five. In '58 my Dad decided that it was time for me to "move up" to HO scale trains with an Athearn set. I started TRYING to build those old Silver Streak HO wood and metal freight car kits that same year. When I was thirteen, he took my layout away and left me with a pile of lumber and some hand tools in the bsement and told me it was time to build my own layout. I think parents tended to expect kids to grow up faster in those days, since so many of them had to grow up faster during the Great Depression. We also rode bikes without helmets or protective gear, played football in the yard without gear too. I remember cuts and scrapes being attended to with; "Quit your whing, it's nothing," and a slathering with that too well know red stuff that burned like Hell. It was a differnt time. Stumpy in Martins Ferry, Ahia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65024	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 6/9/2011
Subject: Re: Dating childhood train sets

Ah yes, the "red stuff". Back in the '50s the "red stuff" could actually have been either Tincture of Iodine or Mercurochrome. It didn't matter; both of them burned like @#$%, and whichever one was used, the pain of treatment often exceeded the pain of the injury. I do remember as a kid seeing the poison labels on the bottles, and asking whichever parent was torturing me at the time why they were putting poison on my cut. Surely they were up to no good. (Though it was lower in cost than the Iodine, Mercurochrome was later banned from the U.S. because it contains mercury.) Jerry F. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 8:47 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Dating childhood train sets Yep, Stumpy, that "red stuff" would have been iodine. My parents used it on my cuts back in the 50's. Also, spray on Bactine. I wonder what every happened to that stuff. Bruce From: mrstumpy50 Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 7:32 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Dating childhood train sets John, five was not too young to get a "real" electric train in the fifties. My first American Flyer train set came to me at Christams of 1954 when I was four years old. I got my first Erector set when I was five. In '58 my Dad decided that it was time for me to "move up" to HO scale trains with an Athearn set. I started TRYING to build those old Silver Streak HO wood and metal freight car kits that same year. When I was thirteen, he took my layout away and left me with a pile of lumber and some hand tools in the bsement and told me it was time to build my own layout. I think parents tended to expect kids to grow up faster in those days, since so many of them had to grow up faster during the Great Depression. We also rode bikes without helmets or protective gear, played football in the yard without gear too. I remember cuts and scrapes being attended to with; "Quit your whing, it's nothing," and a slathering with that too well know red stuff that burned like Hell. It was a differnt time. Stumpy in Martins Ferry, Ahia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65025	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/9/2011
Subject: Re: red stuff???

Dear Gerald, How about tincture of Merthiolate? Before Betadyne, this was use on all incisions in the US. I had a kidney repair in 1965 and the itching due to the Merthiolate was worse than the incision... Don On Jun 9, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Gerald Feldman wrote: > Ah yes, the "red stuff". Back in the '50s the "red stuff" could > actually > have been either Tincture of Iodine or Mercurochrome. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65026	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/9/2011
Subject: Re: operating lumber car

Ray, Thanks, as having the action cars and accessories makes it more fun, as I am on the scale list too and I understand everyone has different interest in running trains. And I have a mixture of Plasticville, because I could not find kits for where the Plasticville is and then I have kits, mainly in the industrial area. I painted up the Plasticville, as I know I am repeating what I have said in the pass, but it all blends into together. I had no clue what I was doing when first starting out, as I had the track plan, but then the ideas came to me, many ideas came from some members on this list, as Gene C. gave me the idea for the gas tanks and Linda gave me the idea for the Apple Orchard. And many sent me some things for the layout which was very kind. Mike From: Ray Puls Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 8:07 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: operating lumber car Hey Mike, Nice video, I really like the idea of an operating layout using operating accessories. Gives playing with trains the extra needed touch. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65027	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/9/2011
Subject: The way we were...

Oh Hell, just hearing the names of the various dreaded "red stuff" sends me in to memories of my childhood. Iodine was nasty, Methiolade was better, but everyone should have known better with Mercurochrome! With two toxic substances named (Mercury and Chromium) everyone should have known this crap was bad news! Some of this stuff HAD to be brewed by Witch Doctors! On the other hand, I well remember that the "good" house paint had a high lead content. We used "lead" pencils which occassionally someone stuck you with and broke the tip off in your skin. All High Test gasoline was loaded with Tetraethyl LEAD. Lead was our friend. How about Castor Oil? Heck, Midget Racers used that in engine oil! My grandmother used it as a "cure all" that was so gross you either threw up or crapped your pants. Sometimes both! To which she would say "Better out than in!" One of my grandmothers seemed to enjoy giving us Castor Oil a bit too much. Remember Cod Liver Oil? How did they get that evil brew, crush fish? How about early Band-aids? The adheasive would damn near pull your skin off when you tried to get them off. If you were old enough to have hair on your arms, you learned quickly to rip them off fast, even though the pain would make your eyes water. How about all the perverted doctors you went to when you were a kid? They made you strip naked, even if they only wanted to look down your throat! Sure, back then they would still make "house calls," but that was so your brothers and sister could get a laugh too. Growing up in the fifties and sixties was a great time, but not always... :-) Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65028	From: Thorin	Date: 6/9/2011
Subject: Re: Dating childhood train sets

I am so glad we are talking about time stamps. I was afraid we were expanding our dating scene beyond homo sapians... Thorin --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: John, five was not too young to get a "real" electric train in the fifties. My first American Flyer train set came to me at Christams of 1954 when I was four years old. I got my first Erector set when I was five. In '58 my Dad decided that it was time for me to "move up" to HO scale trains with an Athearn set. I started TRYING to build those old Silver Streak HO wood and metal freight car kits that same year. When I was thirteen, he took my layout away and left me with a pile of lumber and some hand tools in the bsement and told me it was time to build my own layout. I think parents tended to expect kids to grow up faster in those days, since so many of them had to grow up faster during the Great Depression. We also rode bikes without helmets or protective gear, played football in the yard without gear too. I remember cuts and scrapes being attended to with; "Quit your whing, it's nothing," and a slathering with that too well know red stuff that burned like Hell. It was a differnt time. Stumpy in Martins Ferry, Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65029	From: Carey Probst	Date: 6/9/2011
Subject: Re: The way we were...

Actually Stumpy I think the name is self explanatory. And you missed mustard plasters. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 6/9/2011 2:08 PM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > > > Remember Cod Liver Oil? How did they get that evil brew, crush fish? > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65030	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/9/2011
Subject: Re: The way we were...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE_USYfnwao Ahh how about a song about Cod Liver Oil. From a favorite group in Canada, Great Big Sea. the cover, Fish woman, well they have a great song called the Mermaid. They have a neat live version of it on youtube. Anyway, I have learned that Cod Liver Oil, which I never took, is something that is big in Canada, as Cod Liver Oil is a source of Vit. D. In Canada, they get less Sunlight than the US, so Cod Liver Oil is a big thing in Canada. I did have to give Cod Liver Oil to those little green turtles, that are now banned in the US. To make this train related, maybe there was tank cars just for Cod Liver Oil. I even have a Cod Liver Oil bottle from the early 1900s or late 1800s that is from Scott’s. I think they are still in business. Bottle says Cod Liver Oil with Soda and Lime. Hey wait, Corona beer, is really Cod Liver Oil???? Mike From: Carey Probst Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 2:54 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The way we were... Actually Stumpy I think the name is self explanatory. And you missed mustard plasters. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 6/9/2011 2:08 PM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > > > Remember Cod Liver Oil? How did they get that evil brew, crush fish? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65031	From: mikejoan45@comcast.net	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: 322 Engine Question

Hi, I have a question for the group regarding an American Flyer set which I just purchased at a moving sale.. The set box is marked " 4611A " and includes a 630, 629, 634, 716, plus a 322 Hudson. The Hudson came in a brown engine box marked 322 AC Hudson Loco & tender with choo-choo and smoke. The tender has link couplers and four wires to the engine. Is this the correct engine ? It is not marked 322AC. It is marked "322" on the cab . thank you for your help.. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65032	From: Bob C	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Show Your Layout July 30 (Long Beach-South Bay, CA)

This is the last call for layouts to be included in the July 30 layout tour in the Long Beach-South Bay area. Please contact me off list ( chiefbobbb@... ) if you wish to be included or have questions before committing to the tour. Below is the current line-up of layout owners and clubs for this tour. Bob Chaparro Moderator Model Railroads Of Southern California http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/ +++ Inland Terminal Model RR Club (S) Angels Gate Hi-Railers (O) Belmont Shore MRC (N) Mary Barstow (HO & G) Larry Fincher (HO) Sandy Friedfeld (N) Jay Kelly (G) Frank Kenny (N) [Pending] Lloyd Lehrer (HO/HOn3) Los Angeles Model Railroad Society HO) Tony Recht (G) George Schreyer (G) Jeff Smith (HO) Ron Varnell (HO) [Pending]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65033	From: jshannon148	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: dating childhood train sets

Rich, thanks for the thoughts. However, I checked that site and the Upstairs Train and others that Google provided. I assume they were uncataloged. I do not have Doyle's book. This group has an amazing knowledge and resources, I am still hoping that someone will confirm the likely dates of those two sets to be 1957 and 1958 - please. Thanks, John - Pittsburgh --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "richs009" <richs009@...> wrote: > > John -- for cataloged sets, take a look at > > http://myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/Gilbert%20Catalogs.htm > > which should give you some ideas about what the cataloged sets were and when they were offered. Doyle's book "Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains" lists a large number of both cataloged and non-cataloged sets. > > - Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jshannon148" <jshannon148@> wrote: > > > > I received from my father 3 American Flyer sets as a child. I am trying to remember which cars came with which set and what year (Christmas) they were likely received. > > > > I think one set was the 307-802-920-928-806 but it seems from what I was able to find that those cars were made last in 1957 when I was five – seems young for such a present. Were these cars together in a set and if so what year was it sold? > > > > I think the second set was the 21801-24549-25045-33648-24546. Were these cars together in a set and if so what year was it sold? It seems the 21801 was only made in 1958, so does that date this set as 1958? > > > > Thanks, John - Pittsburgh > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65034	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Action Refrigerator Car

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtd2cRf7M_Y My next video on YouTube features a AF Gilbert Milk car converted to DCC technology. Milk gets delivered for the Branford Diner across the way. The milk gets thrown out, as I had 20 years in food service distribution, this is pretty normal. Then the help has to get across the track risking life, either by a another train coming by or getting a food caught in the track! The milk might sit for hours till someone gets it, as that is not good either, as I can tell, I have done all day delivers in my car, as I would deliver many refrigerator or frozen things, like butter, eggs, and by 4 pm or later, they are getting pretty warm in my car, as my customers, would forget to order or they got shorted on their truck order. THEN, it might sit in the kitchen for some times too! Ahh, the restaurant stories I can tell you! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65035	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: red stuff???

Good old betadyne...ouch!! When I first got home from Nam I went to work as a carpenter (my dad got me in the union) and went to work for the Arthur G. Mckee Company on the rebuilding of the Anaconda Copper Company Smelter in Anaconda, Montana. Since my partner and I were working with creosoted lumber (4x4's and 2x12 planks) I went out and bought a waffle head 20 ounce hammer thinking this would prevent the hammer head from slipping off the 20 penny galvanized nails we were using. After driving several nails the hammer head became coated with creosote making it very slippery. Since I'm a lefty I'd hold the nail in my right hand to get it started. I took a mighty swing connected squarely with the nail head only to have my hammer slip off catching my right index finger at the knucle and ripping it open almost to the tip. My partner sent me to the nurse which was company policy..any injury was to be reported. Having my finger ripped open was bad enough but to have creosote in the wound made it that much worse. Then when I got to the nurse's office she cleaned it out with betadyne...none too gently I might add and gave me a tetanus shot. A few hours later I found out I was alergic to tetanus vaccine and had to go to the hospital emergency room for a benadryl shot. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: don@... Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 12:08:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] red stuff??? Dear Gerald, How about tincture of Merthiolate? Before Betadyne, this was use on all incisions in the US. I had a kidney repair in 1965 and the itching due to the Merthiolate was worse than the incision... Don On Jun 9, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Gerald Feldman wrote: > Ah yes, the "red stuff". Back in the '50s the "red stuff" could > actually > have been either Tincture of Iodine or Mercurochrome. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65036	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: Dating childhood train sets

I still have a partial bottle of Mercurochrome in the medicine cabinet......maybe I can get big bucks for it on EBAY !!!! ....and have Bactine as well (I believe you can still but Bactine.) <<< Yep, Stumpy, that "red stuff" would have been iodine. My parents used it on my cuts back in the 50's. Also, spray on Bactine. I wonder what every happened to that stuff........ but everyone should have known better with Mercurochrome! With two toxic substances named (Mercury and Chromium) everyone should have known this crap was bad news!>>> Train-related posting--- Remember the "Gilbert Hall of Science" Blinking Tower tops? We have one on EBAY right now. Great layout item! You can link to our EBAY items direct from our own website homepage. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com www.flyerparts.com <http://www.flyerparts.com/> www.sgaugetrains.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65037	From: Ken	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: The way we were...

Oh, ouch. red stuff, sting like crazy, much better talking about trains. I'm not sure that we grew up faster because of the Depression effect but I'm sure our parents were not afraid to let us try. Heck they rode horses without helmets. Why shouldn't I ride a full size bike at 5? To short to reach the pedals so, Off with the seat and make a seat out of rags and add wood spacers on the pedals. Ken Christiansen Broker Associate 551 N. Mulford Rd. Rockford, IL 61107 Cell: 815-218-3957 email: <mailto:klchris@...> klchris@... efax: 815-231-8032 Web: <http://www.starckrealtors.com/> www.starckrealtors.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65038	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: Action Refrigerator Car

As a kid I always wanted a Gilbert unloading car but my father vetoed the idea. It seems when his father was younger he was struck by mail thrown off a passing CNJ train and had his leg broken.   Bob   From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; toytrains@yahoogroups.com; Steve Conard <steve.conard@...>; The Winans <thewinans@...>; Linda Marmer <Linda.Marmer@...>; jsnell5990@...; cookie flannery <cookster1030@...>; Ted Miller <ted.miller@...>; Suz Fraser <ts@...> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 11:48 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Action Refrigerator Car   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtd2cRf7M_Y My next video on YouTube features a AF Gilbert Milk car converted to DCC technology. Milk gets delivered for the Branford Diner across the way. The milk gets thrown out, as I had 20 years in food service distribution, this is pretty normal. Then the help has to get across the track risking life, either by a another train coming by or getting a food caught in the track! The milk might sit for hours till someone gets it, as that is not good either, as I can tell, I have done all day delivers in my car, as I would deliver many refrigerator or frozen things, like butter, eggs, and by 4 pm or later, they are getting pretty warm in my car, as my customers, would forget to order or they got shorted on their truck order. THEN, it might sit in the kitchen for some times too! Ahh, the restaurant stories I can tell you! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65039	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Action Milk Car, front side

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ngnog8N_hUw I did a short video of the action car, where you can see the man throwing out the milk bombs, as they sure do not look like milk cans!!!!!! the car next to it, the red box car, as you just see the side of it, is a reproduction Erie Action box car from Lionel. I was holding the camera since I could not get the tripod low enough. Yow, one could of hit the lens and then camera number two would be damaged! oops. The one thing about doing a car with DCC, the car gets power all the time, whether it is program to operate or not. Meaning the light bulb inside is on. So I went to cooler bulb, as not to melt any plastic. No melting as of yet. O! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65040	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: 322 Engine Question

That is the correct engine for the set.Mike In a message dated 6/10/2011 10:58:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mikejoan45@... writes: Hi, I have a question for the group regarding an American Flyer set which I just purchased at a moving sale.. The set box is marked " 4611A " and includes a 630, 629, 634, 716, plus a 322 Hudson. The Hudson came in a brown engine box marked 322 AC Hudson Loco & tender with choo-choo and smoke. The tender has link couplers and four wires to the engine. Is this the correct engine ? It is not marked 322AC. It is marked "322" on the cab . thank you for your help.. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65041	From: Herbert	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: 322 Engine Question

You can check myflyertrains.org <http://myflyertrains.org> . Looks like the 1947 edition of the set. Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mikejoan45@... wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a question for the group regarding an American Flyer > set which I just purchased at a moving sale.. The set box is > marked " 4611A " and includes a 630, 629, 634, 716, plus a > 322 Hudson. The Hudson came in a brown engine box marked > 322 AC Hudson Loco & tender with choo-choo and smoke. The > tender has link couplers and four wires to the engine. Is > this the correct engine ? It is not marked 322AC. It is > marked "322" on the cab . > > thank you for your help.. > > Mike > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65042	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: red stuff???

You are absolutely right - I forgot about that one. Interesting to note that you can still buy "Merthiolate" and "Mercurichrome", except that are made without mercury. Kind of like buying ice cream made without cream, I would think. Jerry F. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Thompson Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 9:08 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] red stuff??? Dear Gerald, How about tincture of Merthiolate? Before Betadyne, this was use on all incisions in the US. I had a kidney repair in 1965 and the itching due to the Merthiolate was worse than the incision... Don On Jun 9, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Gerald Feldman wrote: > Ah yes, the "red stuff". Back in the '50s the "red stuff" could > actually > have been either Tincture of Iodine or Mercurochrome. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65043	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: 322 Engine Question

It's probably just another of those AC Gilbert "use it up" things. The 322 set was #4611 and the 322AC was set # 4611A. Both had the same cars. If the cars have gold or black weights on the coupler, they are from the 4611A set. If they are smooth or thin shanked, they are from the 4611 set. Steve SnS In a message dated 6/10/2011 11:58:09 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mikejoan45@... writes: Hi, I have a question for the group regarding an American Flyer set which I just purchased at a moving sale.. The set box is marked " 4611A " and includes a 630, 629, 634, 716, plus a 322 Hudson. The Hudson came in a brown engine box marked 322 AC Hudson Loco & tender with choo-choo and smoke. The tender has link couplers and four wires to the engine. Is this the correct engine ? It is not marked 322AC. It is marked "322" on the cab . thank you for your help.. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65044	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: 322 Engine Question

The 4611 had the 322 with a SIT, the 4611A had the regular tender. Mike In a message dated 6/10/2011 1:46:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, boss31@... writes: It's probably just another of those AC Gilbert "use it up" things. The 322 set was #4611 and the 322AC was set # 4611A. Both had the same cars. If the cars have gold or black weights on the coupler, they are from the 4611A set. If they are smooth or thin shanked, they are from the 4611 set. Steve SnS In a message dated 6/10/2011 11:58:09 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, _mikejoan45@..._ (mailto:mikejoan45@...) writes: Hi, I have a question for the group regarding an American Flyer set which I just purchased at a moving sale.. The set box is marked " 4611A " and includes a 630, 629, 634, 716, plus a 322 Hudson. The Hudson came in a brown engine box marked 322 AC Hudson Loco & tender with choo-choo and smoke. The tender has link couplers and four wires to the engine. Is this the correct engine ? It is not marked 322AC. It is marked "322" on the cab . thank you for your help.. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65045	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: The way we were...

Hi Stumpy, Been there, done that, as evidenced by the scar I've had on my hand for 60 years where some little bas., uh kid in first grade walked up to me and out-of-the-blue stabbed me with a pencil. He likely had a serious problem because he was removed from class and never returned. (Probably mal-adjusted because he didn't have any electric trains to play with. [LOL] ) I also got cod liver oil as a kid, but not castor oil. And if I had to see the doctor, I always ended up getting a shot. Re: Mercurochrome - the technical name is "merbromin", and although the molecule has two bromine atoms and one mercury atom, it does not contain any chromium. The "chrome" in the name comes from the Greek "chroma", which means color; the Merbromin molecule also contains the dye fluoroscein. The problem with mercury (which in its metallic form is relatively non-toxic) is that it is easily converted to the toxic organic forms, methyl- and ethyl- mercury. Jerry F. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mrstumpy50 Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 11:09 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] The way we were... Oh Hell, just hearing the names of the various dreaded "red stuff" sends me in to memories of my childhood. Iodine was nasty, Methiolade was better, but everyone should have known better with Mercurochrome! With two toxic substances named (Mercury and Chromium) everyone should have known this crap was bad news! Some of this stuff HAD to be brewed by Witch Doctors! On the other hand, I well remember that the "good" house paint had a high lead content. We used "lead" pencils which occassionally someone stuck you with and broke the tip off in your skin. All High Test gasoline was loaded with Tetraethyl LEAD. Lead was our friend. How about Castor Oil? Heck, Midget Racers used that in engine oil! My grandmother used it as a "cure all" that was so gross you either threw up or crapped your pants. Sometimes both! To which she would say "Better out than in!" One of my grandmothers seemed to enjoy giving us Castor Oil a bit too much. Remember Cod Liver Oil? How did they get that evil brew, crush fish? How about early Band-aids? The adheasive would damn near pull your skin off when you tried to get them off. If you were old enough to have hair on your arms, you learned quickly to rip them off fast, even though the pain would make your eyes water. How about all the perverted doctors you went to when you were a kid? They made you strip naked, even if they only wanted to look down your throat! Sure, back then they would still make "house calls," but that was so your brothers and sister could get a laugh too. Growing up in the fifties and sixties was a great time, but not always... :-) Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65046	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: Action Milk Car, front side

If your camera had filter threads then buy a UV or skylight filter made for digital cameras to fit your lens. It's always cheaper to replace a damaged filter than a scratched lens....cheaper too. One hard learned lesson from my younger days.   Bob From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; The Winans <thewinans@...>; Steve Conard <steve.conard@...> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 3:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Action Milk Car, front side   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ngnog8N_hUw I did a short video of the action car, where you can see the man throwing out the milk bombs, as they sure do not look like milk cans!!!!!! the car next to it, the red box car, as you just see the side of it, is a reproduction Erie Action box car from Lionel. I was holding the camera since I could not get the tripod low enough. Yow, one could of hit the lens and then camera number two would be damaged! oops. The one thing about doing a car with DCC, the car gets power all the time, whether it is program to operate or not. Meaning the light bulb inside is on. So I went to cooler bulb, as not to melt any plastic. No melting as of yet. O! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65047	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Milk Car

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ngnog8N_hUw DINGBURG, MD (Rail News Service) - Several persons were hospitalized this morning in the wake of a failed milk delivery by a deranged railway employee. At approximately 9:30 a.m. EDT, a refrigerated milk car was spotted in SHS Yard by a train of the D&K Railroad. Eyewitnesses stated that an attendant, who had been hiding inside the car, opened the door and began throwing milk at passers-by on Railroad Avenue. The milk was packaged in ten-gallon galvanized steel cans that weighed over 90 scale pounds each. Hurled at velocities in excess of 110 scale miles per hour, the cans knocked over pedestrians and produced large dents in several die-cast vehicles. One eyewitness recalled seeing an eerie yellow glow coming from inside the freight car. The milk car was registered to the A. C. Gilbert Company of New Haven CT. Gilbert operated a dairy until the late 1950s but is not currently licensed by the USDA. Nearly all of Gilbert's milk was packaged in half-pint bottles for consumption by factory employees; long-distance deliveries outside of southern New England were very rare. Authorities searched personnel records of the now-defunct A. C. Gilbert Company, but were able to identify the rogue attendant only as "Smitty". A local SWAT team led by officer Marx attempted to apprehend Smitty, but he had barricaded himself inside the milk car and refused to negotiate. A crisis-response team from the National Transportation Safety Board was immediately dispatched to investigate the incident. Dairy Can Control, a system recently installed by D&KRR, is considered the likely cause of this morning's attacks. DCC allows a railroad to place deliveries anywhere along its right-of-way. Previously, a milk car had to be spotted opposite the receiving dock of its consignee before cargo could be unloaded. Gustoff Mauler, captain of the NTSB investigating team, recommended that the railroad's DCC permit be revoked. "If you see a milk car parked at the loading dock of a dairy, you have been forewarned that somebody is going to start chucking milk cans out the door. But nobody expects to see flying milk bombs while they're waiting for a train to clear a highway crossing. It makes good sense to restrict freight car unloadings to ICC-approved industrial sidings." H. Chavez, manager of the Dingburg Pinheads of the Mid-Atlantic Conference triple-D-minus preparatory penal league, filed an amicus brief asking for Smitty to be released into his custody. "There's a place on my pitching staff for anybody with a 110-mile-an-hour homogenized", he said. Fil Oparo special ghost writer to the Montgomery County Picayune-Chronicle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65048	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: The way we were...

Gee, I didn't realize what a bunch of memories I would bring up when I wrote this! Or did I just open a can of worms? And the can had a "key" on it to twist around the top to get the lid off to boot! Well, we all survived to get old, so our childhoods must not have been too traumatic. Of course we had "'Lectic trains" to play with when things got too tough, and we still are! Race carefully... Stumpy in Appalalchia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65049	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: The way we were...

Hi all: take omega-3 every day in addition to eating salmon (about once a week for the latter). No train content, but these allow me to at least think about trains:-) . regards to all Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 6/10/2011 10:43 PM, Gerald Feldman wrote: > > Hi Stumpy, > > Been there, done that, as evidenced by the scar I've had on my hand for 60 > years where some little bas., uh kid in first grade walked up to me and > out-of-the-blue stabbed me with a pencil. He likely had a serious problem > because he was removed from class and never returned. (Probably > mal-adjusted because he didn't have any electric trains to play with. > [LOL] > ) I also got cod liver oil as a kid, but not castor oil. And if I had to > see the doctor, I always ended up getting a shot. > > Re: Mercurochrome - the technical name is "merbromin", and although the > molecule has two bromine atoms and one mercury atom, it does not > contain any > chromium. The "chrome" in the name comes from the Greek "chroma", which > means color; the Merbromin molecule also contains the dye fluoroscein. The > problem with mercury (which in its metallic form is relatively > non-toxic) is > that it is easily converted to the toxic organic forms, methyl- and ethyl- > mercury. > > Jerry F. > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf > Of mrstumpy50 > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 11:09 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] The way we were... > > Oh Hell, just hearing the names of the various dreaded "red stuff" > sends me > in to memories of my childhood. Iodine was nasty, Methiolade was > better, but > everyone should have known better with Mercurochrome! With two toxic > substances named (Mercury and Chromium) everyone should have known > this crap > was bad news! Some of this stuff HAD to be brewed by Witch Doctors! > On the other hand, I well remember that the "good" house paint had a high > lead content. We used "lead" pencils which occassionally someone stuck you > with and broke the tip off in your skin. All High Test gasoline was loaded > with Tetraethyl LEAD. Lead was our friend. > How about Castor Oil? Heck, Midget Racers used that in engine oil! My > grandmother used it as a "cure all" that was so gross you either threw > up or > crapped your pants. Sometimes both! To which she would say "Better out > than > in!" One of my grandmothers seemed to enjoy giving us Castor Oil a bit too > much. > Remember Cod Liver Oil? How did they get that evil brew, crush fish? > How about early Band-aids? The adheasive would damn near pull your > skin off > when you tried to get them off. If you were old enough to have hair on > your > arms, you learned quickly to rip them off fast, even though the pain would > make your eyes water. > How about all the perverted doctors you went to when you were a kid? They > made you strip naked, even if they only wanted to look down your throat! > Sure, back then they would still make "house calls," but that was so your > brothers and sister could get a laugh too. > Growing up in the fifties and sixties was a great time, but not always... > :-) > Stumpy in Appalachia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65050	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: Action Milk Car, front side

Bob, It does not, as I did not expect the milk bombs to go flying that far. Non hit the camera. Thanks for the tip, as I had filters like that on my old Minolta film camera and I did fall one time and it saved the lens!!! I don’t think the log dump car will send them flying! Mike From: robert hendrickson Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 5:39 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Action Milk Car, front side If your camera had filter threads then buy a UV or skylight filter made for digital cameras to fit your lens. It's always cheaper to replace a damaged filter than a scratched lens....cheaper too. One hard learned lesson from my younger days. Bob From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com; mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com; The Winans <mailto:thewinans%40cableone.net>; Steve Conard <mailto:steve.conard%40comcast.net> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 3:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Action Milk Car, front side http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ngnog8N_hUw I did a short video of the action car, where you can see the man throwing out the milk bombs, as they sure do not look like milk cans!!!!!! the car next to it, the red box car, as you just see the side of it, is a reproduction Erie Action box car from Lionel. I was holding the camera since I could not get the tripod low enough. Yow, one could of hit the lens and then camera number two would be damaged! oops. The one thing about doing a car with DCC, the car gets power all the time, whether it is program to operate or not. Meaning the light bulb inside is on. So I went to cooler bulb, as not to melt any plastic. No melting as of yet. O! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65051	From: richs009	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: 322 Engine Question

Just to put one more oar in this water -- according to Doyle's "Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains", there were three versions of the 322 Hudson. The 1946 edition has smoke-in-tender and a tender labeled New York Central (no oval logo in the corner) and shiny handrails on the loco. The 1947 version also had SIT, now labeled American Flyer Lines on the tender, along with the NYC oval logo in the corner. Loco had blackened handrails. In the 1948 version the smoke and choo-choo moved to the boiler (reverse now in tender). I suspect these dates aren't 'hard and fast'. Doyle's book also says that the 4611 set had the 322 and the 4611A set had the 322AC (which was the version from '49-'51). But having a 322 appear in the 4611A set doesn't seem impossible... - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > The 4611 had the 322 with a SIT, the 4611A had the regular tender. Mike > > > In a message dated 6/10/2011 1:46:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > boss31@... writes: > > > > > It's probably just another of those AC Gilbert "use it up" things. The 322 > set was #4611 and the 322AC was set # 4611A. Both had the same cars. If > the > cars have gold or black weights on the coupler, they are from the 4611A > set. If they are smooth or thin shanked, they are from the 4611 set. > > Steve SnS > > > In a message dated 6/10/2011 11:58:09 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > _mikejoan45@..._ (mailto:mikejoan45@...) writes: > > Hi, > > I have a question for the group regarding an American Flyer > set which I just purchased at a moving sale.. The set box is > marked " 4611A " and includes a 630, 629, 634, 716, plus a > 322 Hudson. The Hudson came in a brown engine box marked > 322 AC Hudson Loco & tender with choo-choo and smoke. The > tender has link couplers and four wires to the engine. Is > this the correct engine ? It is not marked 322AC. It is > marked "322" on the cab . > > thank you for your help.. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65052	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: dating childhood train sets

That 307 train is set #20103, but the 920 wasn't part of the set as Gilbert sold it. The 21801 train doesn't match anything in the book. --- On Fri, 6/10/11, jshannon148 <jshannon148@...> wrote: From: jshannon148 <jshannon148@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: dating childhood train sets To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 10:26 AM   Rich, thanks for the thoughts. However, I checked that site and the Upstairs Train and others that Google provided. I assume they were uncataloged. I do not have Doyle's book. This group has an amazing knowledge and resources, I am still hoping that someone will confirm the likely dates of those two sets to be 1957 and 1958 - please. Thanks, John - Pittsburgh --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "richs009" <richs009@...> wrote: > > John -- for cataloged sets, take a look at > > http://myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/Gilbert%20Catalogs.htm > > which should give you some ideas about what the cataloged sets were and when they were offered. Doyle's book "Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains" lists a large number of both cataloged and non-cataloged sets. > > - Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jshannon148" <jshannon148@> wrote: > > > > I received from my father 3 American Flyer sets as a child. I am trying to remember which cars came with which set and what year (Christmas) they were likely received. > > > > I think one set was the 307-802-920-928-806 but it seems from what I was able to find that those cars were made last in 1957 when I was five – seems young for such a present. Were these cars together in a set and if so what year was it sold? > > > > I think the second set was the 21801-24549-25045-33648-24546. Were these cars together in a set and if so what year was it sold? It seems the 21801 was only made in 1958, so does that date this set as 1958? > > > > Thanks, John - Pittsburgh > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65053	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: The way we were...

From: Gerald Feldman Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 4:43 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] The way we were... Gerald, That kid was deranged because he had that Lionel stuff with the middle rail. Just kidding, I hope he got the help he needed. Not normal, sorry to hear this happened to you. You mentioning getting shots reminds me of a very early Peanuts comic from the early 60s, that made a impression on me. Linus was telling someone that he wanted to be a doctor, because then he would be on the right side of the needle. heck, I have had so many shots and IVs (due to surgeries) I used to nearly faint. Now they do not bother me at all! And I used to give a cat insulin shots twice a day for six years and a IV for fluids. My kitchen looked like the house of horrors with a IV bag hanging in the kitchen for a year. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65054	From: richs009	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: dating childhood train sets

John -- I was wrong about Doyle's book listing uncatalogued sets - it only gives cataloged ones. I looked in Bubeck and Garrigues "American Flyer S Gauge" book (aka the TM guide), where there is a short list of uncatalogued sets, but neither of these appear. On the other hand, both books give info about when the various cars and locos were made. For the 307, it was '54 - '57 and the 802, 928 and 806 are all listed as '56 - '57. The 920 is listed as '53 to '57. The 21801 is listed as '57 - '58, 24549 from '58 to '66; 25045 from '58 - '66 and 24546 from '58 to '64. I see nothing listed under 33648 (or 23648, for that matter). I think you can infer that if these were both uncatalogued sets, that ~1957 and 1958 are pretty good estimates, respectively. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jshannon148" <jshannon148@...> wrote: > > Rich, thanks for the thoughts. However, I checked that site and the Upstairs Train and others that Google provided. I assume they were uncataloged. I do not have Doyle's book. This group has an amazing knowledge and resources, I am still hoping that someone will confirm the likely dates of those two sets to be 1957 and 1958 - please. > > Thanks, John - Pittsburgh > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "richs009" <richs009@> wrote: > > > > John -- for cataloged sets, take a look at > > > > http://myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/Gilbert%20Catalogs.htm > > > > which should give you some ideas about what the cataloged sets were and when they were offered. Doyle's book "Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains" lists a large number of both cataloged and non-cataloged sets. > > > > - Rich > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jshannon148" <jshannon148@> wrote: > > > > > > I received from my father 3 American Flyer sets as a child. I am trying to remember which cars came with which set and what year (Christmas) they were likely received. > > > > > > I think one set was the 307-802-920-928-806 but it seems from what I was able to find that those cars were made last in 1957 when I was five – seems young for such a present. Were these cars together in a set and if so what year was it sold? > > > > > > I think the second set was the 21801-24549-25045-33648-24546. Were these cars together in a set and if so what year was it sold? It seems the 21801 was only made in 1958, so does that date this set as 1958? > > > > > > Thanks, John - Pittsburgh > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65055	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: 322 Engine Question

Hi Mike, The 322 you have is correct for the set 4611A. This set is a 1948 set. This is listed on page 27 in Greenberg's Volume III Set Book. It should also be in the 1948 catalog. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: "mikejoan45@..." <mikejoan45@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 1:47:03 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: 322 Engine Question Hi, I have a question for the group regarding an American Flyer set which I just purchased at a moving sale.. The set box is marked " 4611A " and includes a 630, 629, 634, 716, plus a 322 Hudson. The Hudson came in a brown engine box marked 322 AC Hudson Loco & tender with choo-choo and smoke. The tender has link couplers and four wires to the engine. Is this the correct engine ? It is not marked 322AC. It is marked "322" on the cab . thank you for your help.. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65056	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/10/2011
Subject: Re: dating childhood train sets

Bob Tufts book is probably the best book on AF sets, catalogued and uncatalogued. Almost Complete, as the title says, but it probably has more sets in it than any other book. Mike From: richs009 Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 8:14 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: dating childhood train sets John -- I was wrong about Doyle's book listing uncatalogued sets - it only gives cataloged ones. I looked in Bubeck and Garrigues "American Flyer S Gauge" book (aka the TM guide), where there is a short list of uncatalogued sets, but neither of these appear. On the other hand, both books give info about when the various cars and locos were made. For the 307, it was '54 - '57 and the 802, 928 and 806 are all listed as '56 - '57. The 920 is listed as '53 to '57. The 21801 is listed as '57 - '58, 24549 from '58 to '66; 25045 from '58 - '66 and 24546 from '58 to '64. I see nothing listed under 33648 (or 23648, for that matter). I think you can infer that if these were both uncatalogued sets, that ~1957 and 1958 are pretty good estimates, respectively. - Rich --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "jshannon148" <jshannon148@...> wrote: > > Rich, thanks for the thoughts. However, I checked that site and the Upstairs Train and others that Google provided. I assume they were uncataloged. I do not have Doyle's book. This group has an amazing knowledge and resources, I am still hoping that someone will confirm the likely dates of those two sets to be 1957 and 1958 - please. > > Thanks, John - Pittsburgh > > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "richs009" <richs009@> wrote: > > > > John -- for cataloged sets, take a look at > > > > http://myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/Gilbert%20Catalogs.htm > > > > which should give you some ideas about what the cataloged sets were and when they were offered. Doyle's book "Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains" lists a large number of both cataloged and non-cataloged sets. > > > > - Rich > > > > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "jshannon148" <jshannon148@> wrote: > > > > > > I received from my father 3 American Flyer sets as a child. I am trying to remember which cars came with which set and what year (Christmas) they were likely received. > > > > > > I think one set was the 307-802-920-928-806 but it seems from what I was able to find that those cars were made last in 1957 when I was five – seems young for such a present. Were these cars together in a set and if so what year was it sold? > > > > > > I think the second set was the 21801-24549-25045-33648-24546. Were these cars together in a set and if so what year was it sold? It seems the 21801 was only made in 1958, so does that date this set as 1958? > > > > > > Thanks, John - Pittsburgh > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65057	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/11/2011
Subject: Re: dating childhood train sets

Correct.  That's the book I used in researching my response.  It's the best source out there that I know of. --- On Fri, 6/10/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: dating childhood train sets To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 6:31 PM   Bob Tufts book is probably the best book on AF sets, catalogued and uncatalogued. Almost Complete, as the title says, but it probably has more sets in it than any other book. Mike From: richs009 Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 8:14 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: dating childhood train sets John -- I was wrong about Doyle's book listing uncatalogued sets - it only gives cataloged ones. I looked in Bubeck and Garrigues "American Flyer S Gauge" book (aka the TM guide), where there is a short list of uncatalogued sets, but neither of these appear. On the other hand, both books give info about when the various cars and locos were made. For the 307, it was '54 - '57 and the 802, 928 and 806 are all listed as '56 - '57. The 920 is listed as '53 to '57. The 21801 is listed as '57 - '58, 24549 from '58 to '66; 25045 from '58 - '66 and 24546 from '58 to '64. I see nothing listed under 33648 (or 23648, for that matter). I think you can infer that if these were both uncatalogued sets, that ~1957 and 1958 are pretty good estimates, respectively. - Rich --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "jshannon148" <jshannon148@...> wrote: > > Rich, thanks for the thoughts. However, I checked that site and the Upstairs Train and others that Google provided. I assume they were uncataloged. I do not have Doyle's book. This group has an amazing knowledge and resources, I am still hoping that someone will confirm the likely dates of those two sets to be 1957 and 1958 - please. > > Thanks, John - Pittsburgh > > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "richs009" <richs009@> wrote: > > > > John -- for cataloged sets, take a look at > > > > http://myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/Gilbert%20Catalogs.htm > > > > which should give you some ideas about what the cataloged sets were and when they were offered. Doyle's book "Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains" lists a large number of both cataloged and non-cataloged sets. > > > > - Rich > > > > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "jshannon148" <jshannon148@> wrote: > > > > > > I received from my father 3 American Flyer sets as a child. I am trying to remember which cars came with which set and what year (Christmas) they were likely received. > > > > > > I think one set was the 307-802-920-928-806 but it seems from what I was able to find that those cars were made last in 1957 when I was five seems young for such a present. Were these cars together in a set and if so what year was it sold? > > > > > > I think the second set was the 21801-24549-25045-33648-24546. Were these cars together in a set and if so what year was it sold? It seems the 21801 was only made in 1958, so does that date this set as 1958? > > > > > > Thanks, John - Pittsburgh > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65058	From: grant bishop	Date: 6/11/2011
Subject: Re: Action Milk Car, front side

Just change the milk logo to a nuclear one and watch the fun ensue! My boss once told me he had an axe over his head also most coming down to break the wooden box underneath it when his boss screamed bloody murder Years later he found out it had a present in it for the Empire of the rising sun delivered by the Enola Gay a few days later Could be true and it makes a great story! Grant Bishop ^--^ ( WOOF! ) (o o)------- ^ / o \ --------)) U ||)))))))|| /_\ /_\ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65059	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 6/11/2011
Subject: Re: The way we were...

Stumpy, After reflecting back on some of the stunts my buddies and I pulled when we were growing up it's a wonder we did. We had a road going uphill to one of the cemeteries in town and we'd race our bikes down it. There was a sharp right hand cdurve and it's a wonder none of us went over the side then the road came out onto one of the main streets in town...Main Street to be exact with several busy intersections...We always managed to make it through...just barely. Then we'd go to one of our houses and dig out the trains and spend the rest of the day in quiet. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mrstumpy@... Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 22:17:20 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] RE: re: The way we were... Gee, I didn't realize what a bunch of memories I would bring up when I wrote this! Or did I just open a can of worms? And the can had a "key" on it to twist around the top to get the lid off to boot! Well, we all survived to get old, so our childhoods must not have been too traumatic. Of course we had "'Lectic trains" to play with when things got too tough, and we still are! Race carefully... Stumpy in Appalalchia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65060	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/11/2011
Subject: Re: The way we were...

Robert...Oh my God, don't get me started on stunts we did as kids! As you say, it's a wonder any of us lived to grow up! In this part of the country, dirt track auto racing was huge, so we raced ovals too. We raced bicycles around an oval track in the middle of the street, layed out with bricks! Tough on competitiors (and sometimes passing cars too.) Lots of the evil "red stuff" was dispensed! We graduated to building our own dirt oval one summer. This had banked turns and the dirt was removed from the outside of the curves. Unfotunately, we had overlooked the problem that if you went over the top, it was twice as far to the bottom. Really messy after a big rain. Not being stupid enough, we added a Figure Eight intersection to the infield too. Ever seen a kid with a wheel spoke in his leg? Here in Appalachia we had some serious hills to run on! So we started building coaster carts early on. We started with baby buggy wheels, wagon wheels, even the wheels off the back of tricycles. There was plenty of scrap wood from the nearby housing development. Eventually, we discovered left over real Soap Box Derby Wheels, and speeds jumped enormously with their skinny tires and precision bearings! Eventually we developed radically "underslung" cars to get low to the ground. It was not uncommon to see twenty of these on a street for our "Season Championship" right before school started. The crashes were often horrendous, but usually the competitors limped away to race another day. Three or four of us raced Stock Cars when we got a little older, including Figure Eight racing! (We were slow learners, I guess!) Oh, the memories! I'd better not go into details... Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65061	From: Dale Smith	Date: 6/11/2011
Subject: Re: dating childhood train sets

One other thing you will find in Bob Tufts book is a reference to some of the display layouts that not mentioned anywhere else. He mentions some from years where there is no known displays catalog. Dale On 6/10/2011 6:31 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > > Bob Tufts book is probably the best book on AF sets, catalogued and > uncatalogued. Almost Complete, as the title says, but it probably has > more sets in it than any other book. > > Mike > > From: richs009 > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 8:14 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: dating childhood train sets > > John -- I was wrong about Doyle's book listing uncatalogued sets - it > only gives cataloged ones. I looked in Bubeck and Garrigues "American > Flyer S Gauge" book (aka the TM guide), where there is a short list of > uncatalogued sets, but neither of these appear. On the other hand, > both books give info about when the various cars and locos were made. > For the 307, it was '54 - '57 and the 802, 928 and 806 are all listed > as '56 - '57. The 920 is listed as '53 to '57. > > The 21801 is listed as '57 - '58, 24549 from '58 to '66; 25045 from > '58 - '66 and 24546 from '58 to '64. I see nothing listed under 33648 > (or 23648, for that matter). > > I think you can infer that if these were both uncatalogued sets, that > ~1957 and 1958 are pretty good estimates, respectively. > > - Rich > > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "jshannon148" > <jshannon148@...> wrote: > > > > Rich, thanks for the thoughts. However, I checked that site and the > Upstairs Train and others that Google provided. I assume they were > uncataloged. I do not have Doyle's book. This group has an amazing > knowledge and resources, I am still hoping that someone will confirm > the likely dates of those two sets to be 1957 and 1958 - please. > > > > Thanks, John - Pittsburgh > > > > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "richs009" <richs009@> wrote: > > > > > > John -- for cataloged sets, take a look at > > > > > > http://myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/Gilbert%20Catalogs.htm > > > > > > which should give you some ideas about what the cataloged sets > were and when they were offered. Doyle's book "Standard Catalog of > American Flyer Trains" lists a large number of both cataloged and > non-cataloged sets. > > > > > > - Rich > > > > > > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "jshannon148" > <jshannon148@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I received from my father 3 American Flyer sets as a child. I am > trying to remember which cars came with which set and what year > (Christmas) they were likely received. > > > > > > > > I think one set was the 307-802-920-928-806 but it seems from > what I was able to find that those cars were made last in 1957 when I > was five – seems young for such a present. Were these cars together in > a set and if so what year was it sold? > > > > > > > > I think the second set was the 21801-24549-25045-33648-24546. > Were these cars together in a set and if so what year was it sold? It > seems the 21801 was only made in 1958, so does that date this set as 1958? > > > > > > > > Thanks, John - Pittsburgh > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65062	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 6/11/2011
Subject: Mel Nielsen Ballston Locomotive Works

Do any of you have a current phone number or email address for Mel at Ballston Locomotive Works? Thanks, Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65063	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/11/2011
Subject: Re: Mel Nielsen Ballston Locomotive Works

Copymel@... In a message dated 6/11/2011 12:29:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ecphora123@... writes: Do any of you have a current phone number or email address for Mel at Ballston Locomotive Works? Thanks, Gene Cimino ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65064	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 6/11/2011
Subject: Re: Milk Car

Soiled my shorts again while laughing!!! From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; Steve Conard <steve.conard@...>; John Picur <jppicur@...> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 4:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Milk Car   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ngnog8N_hUw DINGBURG, MD (Rail News Service) - Several persons were hospitalized this morning in the wake of a failed milk delivery by a deranged railway employee. At approximately 9:30 a.m. EDT, a refrigerated milk car was spotted in SHS Yard by a train of the D&K Railroad. Eyewitnesses stated that an attendant, who had been hiding inside the car, opened the door and began throwing milk at passers-by on Railroad Avenue. The milk was packaged in ten-gallon galvanized steel cans that weighed over 90 scale pounds each. Hurled at velocities in excess of 110 scale miles per hour, the cans knocked over pedestrians and produced large dents in several die-cast vehicles. One eyewitness recalled seeing an eerie yellow glow coming from inside the freight car. The milk car was registered to the A. C. Gilbert Company of New Haven CT. Gilbert operated a dairy until the late 1950s but is not currently licensed by the USDA. Nearly all of Gilbert's milk was packaged in half-pint bottles for consumption by factory employees; long-distance deliveries outside of southern New England were very rare. Authorities searched personnel records of the now-defunct A. C. Gilbert Company, but were able to identify the rogue attendant only as "Smitty". A local SWAT team led by officer Marx attempted to apprehend Smitty, but he had barricaded himself inside the milk car and refused to negotiate. A crisis-response team from the National Transportation Safety Board was immediately dispatched to investigate the incident. Dairy Can Control, a system recently installed by D&KRR, is considered the likely cause of this morning's attacks. DCC allows a railroad to place deliveries anywhere along its right-of-way. Previously, a milk car had to be spotted opposite the receiving dock of its consignee before cargo could be unloaded. Gustoff Mauler, captain of the NTSB investigating team, recommended that the railroad's DCC permit be revoked. "If you see a milk car parked at the loading dock of a dairy, you have been forewarned that somebody is going to start chucking milk cans out the door. But nobody expects to see flying milk bombs while they're waiting for a train to clear a highway crossing. It makes good sense to restrict freight car unloadings to ICC-approved industrial sidings." H. Chavez, manager of the Dingburg Pinheads of the Mid-Atlantic Conference triple-D-minus preparatory penal league, filed an amicus brief asking for Smitty to be released into his custody. "There's a place on my pitching staff for anybody with a 110-mile-an-hour homogenized", he said. Fil Oparo special ghost writer to the Montgomery County Picayune-Chronicle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65065	From: Paul	Date: 6/11/2011
Subject: Re: The way we were...

Stumpy, another reason some of us played with trains while having to stay quiet. we lanced blisters with a needle, caught the juice with alcohol soaked cotton balls, then took a bath in bleach water. finally were doused with calamine lotion and told to stay inside out of the sun. naturally this came from playing and pissing in the woods along the overgrown spur lines that carried coal to industries and the State Hospital for the Insane. trains in the cool basement are great memories, but the memories of poison ivy and oak could just as well go away. paul in sw ohio On 6/10/2011 6:17 PM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > > Gee, I didn't realize what a bunch of memories I would bring up when I > wrote this! Or did I just open a can of worms? And the can had a "key" > on it to twist around the top to get the lid off to boot! > Well, we all survived to get old, so our childhoods must not have been > too traumatic. > Of course we had "'Lectic trains" to play with when things got too > tough, and we still are! > Race carefully... > Stumpy in Appalalchia > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65066	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 6/11/2011
Subject: Re: Mel Nielsen Ballston Locomotive Works

Gene,      We have this number. (518) 584-1090  -  FAX (518) 584-7816 Dave LBR Enterprises, llc     --- On Sat, 6/11/11, Gene Cimino <ecphora123@...> wrote: From: Gene Cimino <ecphora123@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Mel Nielsen Ballston Locomotive Works To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, June 11, 2011, 12:14 PM   Do any of you have a current phone number or email address for Mel at Ballston Locomotive Works? Thanks, Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65067	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/12/2011
Subject: The way we were...

Guys, "Old wives tale" has one finding a "slack water" or quenching barrel at a blacksmith shop, "borrowing" a quart jar of the water and swabbing the affected area. I know it works, my grandfather and his partner had a carriage works with a blacksmith shop, forge and the "barrel". The secret, the iron oxide in the water. Jim "livin' on the Pennsy Main" Lyle In a message dated 6/11/2011 3:08:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dilly@... writes: but the memories of poison ivy and oak could just as well go away. paul in sw ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65068	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 6/12/2011
Subject: Re: The way we were...

We found out fast quick and in a hurry that trains was a whole lot safer affter an experience our homebuilt go-karts using baby buggy spoked wheels and we all ended up getting lots of the nasty red stuff cause we tried to make a super sharp turn going downhill and those previously mentioned spoked baby buggy wheels collapsed we had a major wreck involving 3 karts and 6 kids. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mrstumpy@... Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 14:32:36 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] RE: The way we were... Robert...Oh my God, don't get me started on stunts we did as kids! As you say, it's a wonder any of us lived to grow up! In this part of the country, dirt track auto racing was huge, so we raced ovals too. We raced bicycles around an oval track in the middle of the street, layed out with bricks! Tough on competitiors (and sometimes passing cars too.) Lots of the evil "red stuff" was dispensed! We graduated to building our own dirt oval one summer. This had banked turns and the dirt was removed from the outside of the curves. Unfotunately, we had overlooked the problem that if you went over the top, it was twice as far to the bottom. Really messy after a big rain. Not being stupid enough, we added a Figure Eight intersection to the infield too. Ever seen a kid with a wheel spoke in his leg? Here in Appalachia we had some serious hills to run on! So we started building coaster carts early on. We started with baby buggy wheels, wagon wheels, even the wheels off the back of tricycles. There was plenty of scrap wood from the nearby housing development. Eventually, we discovered left over real Soap Box Derby Wheels, and speeds jumped enormously with their skinny tires and precision bearings! Eventually we developed radically "underslung" cars to get low to the ground. It was not uncommon to see twenty of these on a street for our "Season Championship" right before school started. The crashes were often horrendous, but usually the competitors limped away to race another day. Three or four of us raced Stock Cars when we got a little older, including Figure Eight racing! (We were slow learners, I guess!) Oh, the memories! I'd better not go into details... Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65069	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/12/2011
Subject: Re: dating childhood train sets

Hi Mike, Harwood Owings has a pretty good listing of Uncatalogued Sets in Greenberg's Volume II Chapter 9 Pages 162 to 166. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 9:31:24 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: dating childhood train sets Bob Tufts book is probably the best book on AF sets, catalogued and uncatalogued. Almost Complete, as the title says, but it probably has more sets in it than any other book. Mike From: richs009 Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 8:14 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: dating childhood train sets John -- I was wrong about Doyle's book listing uncatalogued sets - it only gives cataloged ones. I looked in Bubeck and Garrigues "American Flyer S Gauge" book (aka the TM guide), where there is a short list of uncatalogued sets, but neither of these appear. On the other hand, both books give info about when the various cars and locos were made. For the 307, it was '54 - '57 and the 802, 928 and 806 are all listed as '56 - '57. The 920 is listed as '53 to '57. The 21801 is listed as '57 - '58, 24549 from '58 to '66; 25045 from '58 - '66 and 24546 from '58 to '64. I see nothing listed under 33648 (or 23648, for that matter). I think you can infer that if these were both uncatalogued sets, that ~1957 and 1958 are pretty good estimates, respectively. - Rich --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "jshannon148" <jshannon148@...> wrote: > > Rich, thanks for the thoughts. However, I checked that site and the Upstairs >Train and others that Google provided. I assume they were uncataloged. I do not >have Doyle's book. This group has an amazing knowledge and resources, I am still >hoping that someone will confirm the likely dates of those two sets to be 1957 >and 1958 - please. > > Thanks, John - Pittsburgh > > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "richs009" <richs009@> wrote: > > > > John -- for cataloged sets, take a look at > > > > http://myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/Gilbert%20Catalogs.htm > > > > which should give you some ideas about what the cataloged sets were and when >they were offered. Doyle's book "Standard Catalog of American Flyer Trains" >lists a large number of both cataloged and non-cataloged sets. > > > > - Rich > > > > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "jshannon148" <jshannon148@> wrote: > > > > > > I received from my father 3 American Flyer sets as a child. I am trying to >remember which cars came with which set and what year (Christmas) they were >likely received. > > > > > > I think one set was the 307-802-920-928-806 but it seems from what I was >able to find that those cars were made last in 1957 when I was five seems young >for such a present. Were these cars together in a set and if so what year was it >sold? > > > > > > > I think the second set was the 21801-24549-25045-33648-24546. Were these >cars together in a set and if so what year was it sold? It seems the 21801 was >only made in 1958, so does that date this set as 1958? > > > > > > Thanks, John - Pittsburgh > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65070	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/12/2011
Subject: Re: Milk Car

The person who writes these “articles” as I have passed them along before is a very good friend, moderator of the TCA TTML list. Linda and I have met him several times, once in Pittsburg to look at a huge O scale layout, as he drove 5 hours just to met us, for the day, as we where in town for baseball games. He has been to my house too to see the layout. But the neat thing he has a great sense of humor, as he is a chemistry professor at a college in Ohio, as I got him hooked on Zippy and he uses some Zippy’s related to bio chem for his class. I wish I had a professor like this while attending the U of Maryland. I bet he keeps the students interest in the subject with humor. Mike From: robert hendrickson Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 12:45 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Milk Car Soiled my shorts again while laughing!!! From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com; Steve Conard <mailto:steve.conard%40comcast.net>; John Picur <mailto:jppicur%40telus.net> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 4:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Milk Car http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ngnog8N_hUw DINGBURG, MD (Rail News Service) - Several persons were hospitalized this morning in the wake of a failed milk delivery by a deranged railway employee. At approximately 9:30 a.m. EDT, a refrigerated milk car was spotted in SHS Yard by a train of the D&K Railroad. Eyewitnesses stated that an attendant, who had been hiding inside the car, opened the door and began throwing milk at passers-by on Railroad Avenue. The milk was packaged in ten-gallon galvanized steel cans that weighed over 90 scale pounds each. Hurled at velocities in excess of 110 scale miles per hour, the cans knocked over pedestrians and produced large dents in several die-cast vehicles. One eyewitness recalled seeing an eerie yellow glow coming from inside the freight car. The milk car was registered to the A. C. Gilbert Company of New Haven CT. Gilbert operated a dairy until the late 1950s but is not currently licensed by the USDA. Nearly all of Gilbert's milk was packaged in half-pint bottles for consumption by factory employees; long-distance deliveries outside of southern New England were very rare. Authorities searched personnel records of the now-defunct A. C. Gilbert Company, but were able to identify the rogue attendant only as "Smitty". A local SWAT team led by officer Marx attempted to apprehend Smitty, but he had barricaded himself inside the milk car and refused to negotiate. A crisis-response team from the National Transportation Safety Board was immediately dispatched to investigate the incident. Dairy Can Control, a system recently installed by D&KRR, is considered the likely cause of this morning's attacks. DCC allows a railroad to place deliveries anywhere along its right-of-way. Previously, a milk car had to be spotted opposite the receiving dock of its consignee before cargo could be unloaded. Gustoff Mauler, captain of the NTSB investigating team, recommended that the railroad's DCC permit be revoked. "If you see a milk car parked at the loading dock of a dairy, you have been forewarned that somebody is going to start chucking milk cans out the door. But nobody expects to see flying milk bombs while they're waiting for a train to clear a highway crossing. It makes good sense to restrict freight car unloadings to ICC-approved industrial sidings." H. Chavez, manager of the Dingburg Pinheads of the Mid-Atlantic Conference triple-D-minus preparatory penal league, filed an amicus brief asking for Smitty to be released into his custody. "There's a place on my pitching staff for anybody with a 110-mile-an-hour homogenized", he said. Fil Oparo special ghost writer to the Montgomery County Picayune-Chronicle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65071	From: hjsheffield	Date: 6/12/2011
Subject: Turnouts

Hello Group I have some S gauge No. 6 RH and LH switches made by Bob Peare Engineering Corp.of Clifton NJ called Trackmaster. They are appear to be code 148. They are closed frog and are mounted on fiber board ties. I also have a code 100 30 degree cross over that is not mounted on ties. These are a brass alloy. Does anyone know more about these? I want to sell them but don't know enough about them. Thanks Howard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65072	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/12/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/12/2011, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 65073	From: Gale Hall	Date: 6/12/2011
Subject: dating childhood train sets

Evening list, I don't really recall dating a childhood train set, but I am pretty sure I have had an affair with one for 60 years. gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65074	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 6/13/2011
Subject: Re: dating childhood train sets

Now, THAT's funny! Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65075	From: richs009	Date: 6/13/2011
Subject: Re: dating childhood train sets

Second -- good one Gale. Rimshot - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Crpntr12449@... wrote: > > Now, THAT's funny! > > > Carlton > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65076	From: lumglum	Date: 6/13/2011
Subject: No. 4024 UP Passenger Train Set

Hi, Can anyone inform me the year this set was made ? This is O gauge ... Eng # 534 and 3 green passenger cars. Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65077	From: Dave	Date: 6/13/2011
Subject: CLASSIFIED SALES

We are offering the AF community a new service that enables them to sell their "S" scale AMERICAN FLYER trains and accessories to "S" scale AMERICAN FLYER buyers. There is a very small fee per item or like group of items per month and the seller is in complete control of the sale we are just furnishing a platform for their photo and description of the item for thousands of buyers to see. For those of you that are interested please use the link below to view the page: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Classified-Sales.html Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65078	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/13/2011
Subject: Re: SHS Extended Open House Sale...

SHS Open House Sale.... Robin has asked me if we could extend our Open House Sale to our friends on the internet. The Sale we had was a "Buy 2 get the 3rd item for Free". The sale includes all in stock Switchers and freight cars but does not include track cleaning cars, sets, track or parts. On the Free switchers, DCC Sound is an extra Tsunami $100, DCC no sound is $30. The sale will run until midnight on Father's Day. You can use our secure Americart Order website. Just put the Free items in the description. You can mix and match, but the Free item has to be either equal value or lower than the other two. Although you will not see it on the order form, shipping is the total value of item and not based on the total paid. If paying by a check, items will be held for a week. No layaways on this sale...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65079	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 6/13/2011
Subject: 720-720A Turnouts

Can someone tell me the difference between the AF 720 and 720A turnouts other than cosmetic changes?  Your information will be appreciated.  Thanks. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65080	From: Dave	Date: 6/14/2011
Subject: "WCEIGE" Acrylic Paints

We will be offering a line of generic acrylic paint for American Flyer engine & tender units as well as for rolling stock. These paints will match the pre 1966 colors within a 1/4 shade of the original. This is why we say "WHEN CLOSE ENOUGH IS GOOD ENOUGH". The price will be $1.50 per ounce and will come in 1 oz. and 2 oz. plastic bottles. This price includes shipping via USPS FIRST CLASS MAIL. So, Look for "WCEIGE" brand acrylic paints. Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65081	From: jim_marski	Date: 6/14/2011
Subject: Fathers day weekend train show in Denver, Colorado

The Rocky Mountain Division will be sponsoring our Fathers day weekend train show at the Forney Museum of Transportation in Denver, Colorado June 18th and 19th. There will be S gauge trains for sale. This is a small show by our standards- appx 50 tables and 7 operating layouts, but you get to see all of the exhibits at the Forney Museum, including Union Pacific Big Boy #4005. Show hours are 10 am to 5 pm on Saturday and 10 am to 3 pm on Sunday. Fathers are free with a paying child. The address for the Forney Museum is 4303 Brighton Blvd, Denver 80216 Jim Marski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65082	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/14/2011
Subject: Re: 720-720A Turnouts

Hi Bob, The 720 and the 720A Switches are completely different. The part numbers for the 720 Switches are in the 9900 series and the part numbers for the 720A switches are in the 10900 series. The only part that is the same is PA9935 Lens in the housing covers, PA10038L & PA10038R for the 720 and PA10928 in the 720A. The controllers for the 720 will not work with the 720A. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Bob Iannacone <aftrains4u@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, June 13, 2011 6:59:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 720-720A Turnouts Can someone tell me the difference between the AF 720 and 720A turnouts other than cosmetic changes? Your information will be appreciated. Thanks. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65083	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 6/14/2011
Subject: Part

Any chance anyone out there might have a extra stationary moon shaped gear that goes on the 719/919 dump car to operate the door. Or know where I might find one? Thank you Ron Plyler

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65084	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 6/14/2011
Subject: Re: 720-720A Turnouts

Tom, I appreciate the information you provided me on the difference between the 720 and 720A turnouts. I was surprised to learn that the controllers for the 720 will not work with the 720A’s. You have a great knowledge of American Flyer products. I value that knowledge, and you are an important resource to all of us. Thanks again. Bob From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sheila Seccia Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 10:49 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 720-720A Turnouts Hi Bob, The 720 and the 720A Switches are completely different. The part numbers for the 720 Switches are in the 9900 series and the part numbers for the 720A switches are in the 10900 series. The only part that is the same is PA9935 Lens in the housing covers, PA10038L & PA10038R for the 720 and PA10928 in the 720A. The controllers for the 720 will not work with the 720A. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Bob Iannacone <aftrains4u@... <mailto:aftrains4u%40yahoo.com> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, June 13, 2011 6:59:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 720-720A Turnouts Can someone tell me the difference between the AF 720 and 720A turnouts other than cosmetic changes? Your information will be appreciated. Thanks. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65085	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/14/2011
Subject: Re: Part

Hi Ron, Part number is PA11432. I believe I have one left in stock. Let me check my inventory. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: ron_tallyho <ron_tallyho@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, June 14, 2011 2:25:57 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Part Any chance anyone out there might have a extra stationary moon shaped gear that goes on the 719/919 dump car to operate the door. Or know where I might find one? Thank you Ron Plyler [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65086	From: charlie and edith	Date: 6/14/2011
Subject: Turnout Numbering

Greetings! The "switch question" brings to mind a question about the numbering of turnouts....what does the number #4 mean or tell us about a #4 turnout ? I have seen turnouts refered to by number but have never seen an explanation. Can anyone explain this for us? Thanks and best wishes, Charlie in W MI [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65087	From: Dave	Date: 6/14/2011
Subject: WCEIGE Brand Acrylic Paint

We have 5 colors of our new paint for pre-1966 AF trains at our web site now. More to follow over the next few months. For those of you that are interested please use the link below to view near the bottom of the page. For more info. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP. http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65088	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/14/2011
Subject: No. 4024 UP Passenger Train Set.

1940. Gilbert 4-digit set numbers are usually (but, not always) pretty logically organized up through 1956. A very similar set was also offered in 1941 (4133). These sets also appear with Tuscan die-cast heavyweights, too, which are tougher to find than the green ones. In this case, the die-cast heavyweights are aptly named! ;-) Neat set! See: _http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1940Catalog/AF_1940_catalog_page24 .htm_ (http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1940Catalog/AF_1940_catalog_page24.htm) Bob Bubeck In a message dated 6/14/2011 6:01:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: Posted by: "lumglum" _gpmlg@... _ (mailto:gpmlg@...?Subject= Re:%20No.%204024%20UP%20Passenger%20Train%20Set) _lumglum _ (http://profiles.yahoo.com/lumglum) Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:52 pm (PDT) Hi, Can anyone inform me the year this set was made ? This is O gauge ... Eng # 534 and 3 green passenger cars. Thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65089	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/15/2011
Subject: Re: Turnout Numbering

Hi Charlie, It is a way to measure the angle of the frog. The frog is the place where the two inner rails meet. A frog number of 4 means that for each 4 units along the straight direction, the diverging route will move over 1 unit. There is a picture of a frog at: http://iprr.topcities.com/frog.htm The smaller the number, the bigger the angle. A frog number of 3 means the angle is a big one. For each inch the tracks diverge, it only has to go forward 3 inches. I looked at a few sites, but, never found a nice, simple drawing with the calculation. I can give it a try it you wish. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of charlie and edith Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 10:38 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Turnout Numbering Greetings! The "switch question" brings to mind a question about the numbering of turnouts....what does the number #4 mean or tell us about a #4 turnout ? I have seen turnouts refered to by number but have never seen an explanation. Can anyone explain this for us? Thanks and best wishes, Charlie in W MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65090	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 6/15/2011
Subject: Re: Part

Hi Try triple S tom seccia he has a lot of those parts if not try Doug Peck of portlines good luck Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: ron_tallyho To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 2:25 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Part Any chance anyone out there might have a extra stationary moon shaped gear that goes on the 719/919 dump car to operate the door. Or know where I might find one? Thank you Ron Plyler [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65091	From: Dave	Date: 6/15/2011
Subject: TT Wheels, LARGE

We have finally received our order of LARGE black plastic wheels fot the pre-1966 2 wheel trailing truck and the #322 trailing truck rear wheels. These repro. wheels match the original wheels number PA-10019. For those of you that need a pair ($1.25 pr.) please use the link below to order them: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html For further info. about this item or others PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP. Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65092	From: Dave	Date: 6/15/2011
Subject: Tender Replacement Steps Set, AF #320 Series Hudsons

Delivered with our order of new large TT wheels was another item we have been waiting for also, a TENDER STEP REPLACEMENT SET for pre-1966 #320 series HUDSON's. You get two front steps (1 right & 1 left) and two rear steps made from cast metal. Once these have been attached to the tender, trimmed and painted you can't tell them from the originals. The price is $5.50 which includes shipping via USPS FIRST CLASS MAIL. For those of you that need these please use the link below to view or order. http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html These steps also look GREAT when you kit bash other tenders especially the pre-1966 Atlantic & Pacific tenders. Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65093	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 6/16/2011
Subject: "S"acto Convention -- ONLY SEVEN LEFT

Gents.. As of two days ago, there were only seven seats left on the only-S-scale home layout tour. Once they are sold, the tour will be sold out. Ask for Tour L-401 if you want to buy a ticket. Click here for details: http://www.x2011west.org/layoutToursTable.php?number=L401 See you soon..Ed L. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65094	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/16/2011
Subject: Bar Codes

The bar code we all see on products today is 50 years old as of June 15, 2011. These bar codes was first used to track trains, as the technology extended out to others uses like buying consumer products. My source for this is WTOP news radio in Washington DC. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65095	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/16/2011
Subject: pilot trucks that won't stay on track

A while back, someone on the list told me the solution to pilot trucks that won't stay on track is to add a washer for some additional weight.  I mentioned this to a friend and got the following response.  Very creative! After you left it got me thinking – I had mentioned the front pilot on the #336 wanted to jump the switches and you suggested adding a washer to get it a little heavier. HUM !!! Here is something I came up with that works well. “Pinewood derby car“ stick-on weights.  -----------  These are easy to obtain from any hobby store. They have self stick tape with the package Weight added to front pilot.   ---------  This is one of the larger size weights in the package . It stopped the pilot from jumping the frog. Weight added to training trucks’   ---------- This is two of the smaller weights in the package. The trailing truck wanted to jump the track/ switch when backing thru a switch.  This trick solved that issue. Painted flat black —----- masks the weights to make them unnoticeable. Thanks for suggesting  the washer – it got me thinking. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65096	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/16/2011
Subject: Re: Bar Codes

My dad was a well-known tank designer and I remember his showing them to me when I was a kid.  The ones on train cars, however, were multi-colored.  Much cooler! --- On Thu, 6/16/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Bar Codes To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, toytrains@yahoogroups.com, s=scale@..., "Steve Conard" <steve.conard@...>, "Ted Miller" <ted.miller@...>, "cookie flannery" <cookster1030@...>, "John Picur" <jppicur@...>, "John Cangemi" <godfather55@...> Date: Thursday, June 16, 2011, 9:53 AM   The bar code we all see on products today is 50 years old as of June 15, 2011. These bar codes was first used to track trains, as the technology extended out to others uses like buying consumer products. My source for this is WTOP news radio in Washington DC. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65097	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/16/2011
Subject: Re: Bar Codes

----- Original Message ----- From: Michael & Linda Marmer The bar code we all see on products today is 50 years old as of June 15, 2011. These bar codes was first used to track trains, as the technology extended out to others uses like buying consumer products. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if this refers to the ACI labels. My source says they were used 1967 - 1978. See http://www.icrr.net/aci.htm I believe they were replaced by electronic transponders, not unlike the one that goes off when you buy something in Store A at the mall and then carry it into Store B, which has a different transponder system. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65098	From: George Cohn	Date: 6/16/2011
Subject: Re: Bar Codes

On 6/16/2011 9:53 AM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > The bar code we all see on products today is 50 years old as of June 15, > 2011. According to the WikiPedia entry, In the 1960s railroads experimented with a multicolor bar code for tracking rail cars, but eventually abandoned it. Nowadays, short range radio devices like Bluetooth might be used for that. A bar code system was patented in 1949 for checkout purposes. The UPC bar code seen on everything was jointly developed by IBM and others. The first UPC marked item ever scanned at a retail checkout (Marsh's supermarket in Troy, Ohio) was at 8:01 a.m. on June 26, 1974, and was a 10-pack (50 Sticks) of Wrigley's Juicy Fruit chewing gum. MAD magazine once printed a photo of a newborn with a bar code on it spoofing the idea of universal identification. So universal use of the bar code really started in the '70's which is why none of our classic American Flyer train boxes have one! George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65099	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: Re: pilot trucks that won't stay on track

I am going to "weigh" in on this one. I have installed ceiling fans for years, and there are small weights in a plastic package packed (say that really fast three times) in each fan to balance the blades, if needed. They have a self-stick tape on them. Been using them to increase weight on my cars for years. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65100	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: Bar Codes

According to a CSX engineer friend of mine, the railroads quit using bar codes because dirt and grime obscured them on the sides of the freight cars, making them useless. As an additional sidebar; Bar codes were tatooed onto the palms of miners in a Northern province of Norway in the late eighties to allow them to go "cashless" in the remote area where the mine was located. I guess this was sort of a modern version of "the company store" thinking. It was a failed experiment and was not repeated because holding the hand the wrong way screwed up the code. There were religious objections as well. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65101	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: Re: pilot trucks that won't stay on track

Someone ALWAYS comes up with a better mousetrap To: s-trains@... From: theupstairstrain@... Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:30:24 -0700 Subject: [S-Trains] pilot trucks that won't stay on track A while back, someone on the list told me the solution to pilot trucks that won't stay on track is to add a washer for some additional weight. I mentioned this to a friend and got the following response. Very creative! After you left it got me thinking � I had mentioned the front pilot on the #336 wanted to jump the switches and you suggested adding a washer to get it a little heavier. HUM !!! Here is something I came up with that works well. �Pinewood derby car� stick-on weights. ----------- These are easy to obtain from any hobby store. They have self stick tape with the package Weight added to front pilot. --------- This is one of the larger size weights in the package . It stopped the pilot from jumping the frog. Weight added to training trucks� ---------- This is two of the smaller weights in the package. The trailing truck wanted to jump the track/ switch when backing thru a switch. This trick solved that issue. Painted flat black �----- masks the weights to make them unnoticeable. Thanks for suggesting the washer � it got me thinking. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65102	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: Re: pilot trucks that won't stay on track

> stick-on weights. -- I've done that before on one loco and had good results. Not even sure WHY ..... I had those stick-on weights in a drawer! Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65103	From: rick gough	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: Re: pilot trucks that won't stay on track

Automotive stick on wheel weights could also be easy and almost invisible. I wouldn't think a washer would be heavy enough to make a difference. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65104	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: Re: STICK ON WEIGHTS.....Try this link

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 65105	From: R G	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: Re: Wheel weights

I have never put weights on the locomotive wheels and have not had a problem. In my opinion a lot the the derailment problems are caused by less than perfect track work. A small kink here a slight dent there, track that is a little too narrow. I am glad that the weights help but check the rail carefully especially if you are using original Flyer rail. Put the track, rails down, on a piece of glass you would be surprise at how uneven it can be. I have some newer equipment with scale wheels on them and if there is a problem with the track that equipment will find it. Scale wheels will run nicely on original AF track but the track has to be in good condition. So I suggest in addition to the weights check your track also. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65106	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: Re: pilot trucks that won't stay on track

I've seen stick on weights sold in train shops. Mike In a message dated 6/17/2011 1:06:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, racin510@... writes: Automotive stick on wheel weights could also be easy and almost invisible. I wouldn't think a washer would be heavy enough to make a difference. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65107	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: Re: Wooden barrels and wooden boxes in "S"

Wooden boxes and barrels in "S".... http://www.modelrailroadnews.com/news/product-news/single-article-page/wooden-barrels-add-an-extra-touch-of-detail-to-ho-s-o-scenes/abd7357fb8.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65108	From: Bob	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Issue

Good evening. A quick note to let the group know that the next issue of the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine was uploaded to the printer this afternoon. The issue will be Volume 11, Number 4, titled "Spring, 2011". With any luck, the proof will be in my hands some time next week. If the proof is good, production will follow quickly thereafter. You can get a preview on the magazine's Website: www.1-64ModelingGuide.com I know I have mentioned this before but if you have received a renewal notice and haven't sent in your payment yet, please do so as soon as possible (remember, Standard Mail US is now $30.95). Your support is needed and appreciated. Thank you to all who have sent in their renewals and to all new subscribers. Bob Nalbone Editor & Publisher 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine www.1-64ModelingGuide.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65109	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: Derailments problems

While this discussion has centered around weighting the pilot truck (usually the most likely to derail on a Flyer steamer), RG makes a good point that other problems may be the culprit. As he says, track is often the issue, especially used track that has seen heavy service. It can be kinked, bent, twisted, or otherwise damaged just enough to cause a problem. Commonly, it can be just a wee bit out of gauge, but cause problems. Obviously, switches are most problem prone and hardest to fix. If your piece of equipment derails only in the same spot every time, the track could be the problem. Sometimes only one loco or car will be sensitive enough to have a problem, but it's still there just the same. The most common fault I have found, probably more than most folks because I rebuild junk box stuff, is out of gauge wheelsets, most often back to back clearance being too tight. Another problem is warped or damaged wheels, particularly the large flange being bent or warped. I've found this on loco driving wheels too. Out of round wheels are also possible, although less likely. Bent axles, or wheels pressed to the axle crooked especially if just a tiny bit, will give you fits solving a derailment trouble. And rusty or crude filled "journal boxes" can be a problem causing one wheelset to "drag" rather than roll freely, another hard to diagnose problem not usually considered as a derailment factor. Twisted loco frames are rare, but twisted trucks are not, particularly the older sheet metal ones. Rough play followed by years of storage in less than optimum places can do weird things to our old trains. With a little problem solving skill and common sense, most of the time the faults can be corrected. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65110	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: Re: Wheel weights

<<((I have never put weights on the locomotive wheels and have not had a problem. In my opinion a lot the the derailment problems are caused by less than perfect track work. ))>> Oh I agree. But my one loco I used a weight on, didn't have the spring or the spring was weak. I tried to replace a spring once, I think I screwed-up the spring! -rick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65111	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: Re: pilot trucks that won't stay on track

Hey guys Self stick wheel weights should do the same job and you can trim them for different weights. Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: Crpntr12449@... Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 06:25:47 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: pilot trucks that won't stay on track I am going to "weigh" in on this one. I have installed ceiling fans for years, and there are small weights in a plastic package packed (say that really fast three times) in each fan to balance the blades, if needed. They have a self-stick tape on them. Been using them to increase weight on my cars for years. Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65112	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: PUTT Trains website???

Anyone know the status of PUTT Trains? Does he have a new website yet? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65113	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 6/17/2011
Subject: Re: New 1:64 Modeling Guide Issue

Thanks for the update on magazine. --- On Fri, 6/17/11, Bob <bobnalbone04@...> wrote: From: Bob <bobnalbone04@...> Subject: [S-Trains] New 1:64 Modeling Guide Issue To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 17, 2011, 8:31 PM   Good evening. A quick note to let the group know that the next issue of the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine was uploaded to the printer this afternoon. The issue will be Volume 11, Number 4, titled "Spring, 2011". With any luck, the proof will be in my hands some time next week. If the proof is good, production will follow quickly thereafter. You can get a preview on the magazine's Website: www.1-64ModelingGuide.com I know I have mentioned this before but if you have received a renewal notice and haven't sent in your payment yet, please do so as soon as possible (remember, Standard Mail US is now $30.95). Your support is needed and appreciated. Thank you to all who have sent in their renewals and to all new subscribers. Bob Nalbone Editor & Publisher 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine www.1-64ModelingGuide.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65114	From: Doug Peck	Date: 6/18/2011
Subject: Re: 1940's 50's garbage truck

Just FYI, we carry the full line of Model Tech Studios S-scale kits and detail parts, including their structure kits. Most detail parts are available as either raw castings or finished and painted. MTS produces very nice quality items. As an aside, we had MTS produce the S-scale canoes that we offer to accompany our "Up The Creek Paddle Shop" kit. It is a sizable product line, and I am in the process of creating an appropriate page on our website to showcase their S items, but it is not yet completed. We will have a minimal (due to space) display of MTS items on our table at the NASG Swap Meet in Sacramento next month. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com www.flyerparts.com <http://www.flyerparts.com/> www.sgaugetrains.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65115	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/18/2011
Subject: Putt Trains website?

I talked to Terry Putt at the Midwest Narrow Gauge Show at the end of March and he is much too busy in his machine shop doing contract work right now. He's putting in ten and twelve hour days and has been doing so for three years! The whole "Putt Trains" operation is on indefinate hold because making a living must come first. Like most small manufacturers, the "Trains" was a side business that could never make enough money to live on. I'm sure we'll hear from him when "Putt Trains" returns. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65116	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 6/19/2011
Subject: Press Release re: "S"acto National Train Show

BOISE MODEL RAILROADERS TO REPRESENT IDAHO A Treasure Valley model railroading group, the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers, will be Idaho's ambassadors to the 2011 National Train Show in California. The club, which models in "S" scale (1:64), is taking its award-winning portable model railroad layout, "Lookout Junction," to the show at the Sacramento Convention Center, July 8-10, where there will be over 134,000 square feet of railroad displays and vendor booths. Lookout Junction is one of 29 model railroad layouts participating, and will be the only layout at the National Train Show from the Northwest. The club's 550-square-foot modular display runs four trains simultaneously on nearly 400 feet of track over two levels, and is crammed with scenery and operating accessories. Its 23 connecting tables are transported in a three-axle trailer, and the layout takes about five hours to completely set up. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65117	From: sscale@bestweb.net	Date: 6/19/2011
Subject: Re: Bar Codes

> I believe they were replaced by electronic transponders, not unlike the > one that goes off when you buy something in Store A at the mall and then carry  it into Store B, which has a different transponder system. > See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Equipment_Identification The original KarTrak system was an ancestor of today's barcodes, but used different technology:  visible light scanning of  reflective tape.  While the dirt problem is most quoted as the reason for failure, economic factors kept it from ever being widely implemented. Its dependence on mainframe computer systems and dedicated data links was not cost-effective at a time when most railroads were in poor financial condition. Stan Stokrocki [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65118	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 6/19/2011
Subject: Drive-in Theatre

I am in the process of placing a DVD on my Flyer lay-out for a drive-in theatre setting. Do any of you know of an existing structure that might work for a projection building that housed the movie projector? Have been watching for something, but so far have not found anything. Any help would be appreciated. Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65119	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/19/2011
Subject: Re;Drive-In Theater

I have many fond memories of Drive-In Theaters. They were the rage of my childhood in the fifties and I went on to be a projectionist in my late teens and early twenties. While I can't think of a kit or structure availible in S that you could use, building a Drive-In Snack bar/projection room/restroom building would not be too hard. Most of these were a simple rectangular structure, no more than four walls and a roof in model form, usually longer across the parking lot than deep. The roof was generally slanted with the upper side facing the screen. and had four staggered windows facing the screen. The back wall would be blank, while the front wall would be blank, except for four very small "windows" in a staggered pattern. Two were for the projectors, two beside and slightly lower were for the projectionist to see the screen. This front wall would be higher than the rear one to allow the roof to slant upward toward the front. Both end walls would be slanted for roof angle, higher at the front. One end would have a wide, possibly double door in the center, a single door toward the higher end for the projection booth, and one toward the lower end for a restroom. The other wall would have the central double door for the "walk through" snack bar, and one single door to the lower end for the other restroom. Most often the building was common concrete block, and many of these structures were covered in stucco. So simple smooth walls are prototypical! Thr roof could be covered with a sheet of fine sandpaper for "roofing." This would be a very easy structure to try your hand at scratchbuilding because Drive-In theater operators usually spent as little money as possible. The ticket booth out front would be just as basic. On the other hand, some Drive-In Theaters were impressive and exotic, so many variations are possible! Drive-In buildings were usually painted in white, yellow, or the pastels popular in the era, mainly so they could be seen in the near darkness of such a place! And don't forget the high board or corrugated metal fence and the signs saying "Please turn off headlights before entering." Thanks for the memories... Stumpy Stone...old time projectionist.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65120	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 6/19/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre

Hi Ruth: You mean like this? http://gsaftc.com/Photos/20100807/IMAG0211.jpg Len --- On Sun, 6/19/11, Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> wrote: From: Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Drive-in Theatre To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 19, 2011, 8:42 AM   I am in the process of placing a DVD on my Flyer lay-out for a drive-in theatre setting. Do any of you know of an existing structure that might work for a projection building that housed the movie projector? Have been watching for something, but so far have not found anything. Any help would be appreciated. Mike Leahy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65121	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/19/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/19/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday June 19, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65122	From: rapidrail1	Date: 6/20/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre

Back when I was working, I traveled the State doing inspections. I remember there was one spot that used to be a drive-in theater and used a Virginian caboose as the projection booth. Other than painting it white and covering many of the windows, I saw no other modifications to the structure. Sorry, I took no photos. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> wrote: > > I am in the process of placing a DVD on my Flyer lay-out for a drive-in theatre setting. Do any of you know of an existing structure that might work for a projection building that housed the movie projector? Have been watching for something, but so far have not found anything. Any help would be appreciated. > > Mike Leahy >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65123	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/20/2011
Subject: Re: TEST

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 65124	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/20/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre

There was a article in the Washington Post yesterday that DVDs are on the way out since you can down load movies on line, etc.. Not sure if this will really happen, as I keep hearing the same about music CDs, as I am big fan of music and I still buy CDs, including blank ones. Mike From: Lennis Hall Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 2:40 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Drive-in Theatre Hi Ruth: You mean like this? http://gsaftc.com/Photos/20100807/IMAG0211.jpg Len --- On Sun, 6/19/11, Ruth A Leahy <mailto:ruth.leahy%40colorado.edu> wrote: From: Ruth A Leahy <mailto:ruth.leahy%40colorado.edu> Subject: [S-Trains] Drive-in Theatre To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 19, 2011, 8:42 AM I am in the process of placing a DVD on my Flyer lay-out for a drive-in theatre setting. Do any of you know of an existing structure that might work for a projection building that housed the movie projector? Have been watching for something, but so far have not found anything. Any help would be appreciated. Mike Leahy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65125	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 6/20/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre

one trouble with this is to do it right takes about as much room as Mike M's minor league ballpark --- On Mon, 6/20/11, rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...> wrote: From: rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Drive-in Theatre To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 20, 2011, 6:28 AM   Back when I was working, I traveled the State doing inspections. I remember there was one spot that used to be a drive-in theater and used a Virginian caboose as the projection booth. Other than painting it white and covering many of the windows, I saw no other modifications to the structure. Sorry, I took no photos. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> wrote: > > I am in the process of placing a DVD on my Flyer lay-out for a drive-in theatre setting. Do any of you know of an existing structure that might work for a projection building that housed the movie projector? Have been watching for something, but so far have not found anything. Any help would be appreciated. > > Mike Leahy > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65126	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/20/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre

LOL Yes, a drive in is huge. My ballpark, is in scale only for the infield, the outfield is not. It the outfield was in scale, it would be three times longer. But, for the person doing the drive in, do what ever size you can. Someone once asked about speaker for a drive in once. This recent discussion on drive ins made me think, toothpicks, cut to scale size and make speaker, out of balsa wood, cut to scale, glue on top or to a car window with some think really thin black wire. Paint pole, steel and speaker a gray. Mike From: JFrederick Roberts Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 11:39 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Drive-in Theatre one trouble with this is to do it right takes about as much room as Mike M's minor league ballpark --- On Mon, 6/20/11, rapidrail1 <mailto:waynebeachy113%40comcast.net> wrote: From: rapidrail1 <mailto:waynebeachy113%40comcast.net> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Drive-in Theatre To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 20, 2011, 6:28 AM Back when I was working, I traveled the State doing inspections. I remember there was one spot that used to be a drive-in theater and used a Virginian caboose as the projection booth. Other than painting it white and covering many of the windows, I saw no other modifications to the structure. Sorry, I took no photos. Wayne --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> wrote: > > I am in the process of placing a DVD on my Flyer lay-out for a drive-in theatre setting. Do any of you know of an existing structure that might work for a projection building that housed the movie projector? Have been watching for something, but so far have not found anything. Any help would be appreciated. > > Mike Leahy > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65127	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/20/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre

Sorry, It the outfield should have been If the outfield. I have the It’s man on my mind. The It’s man plays the organ for all the Pinheads home games. Mike From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 1:09 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Drive-in Theatre LOL Yes, a drive in is huge. My ballpark, is in scale only for the infield, the outfield is not. It the outfield was in scale, it would be three times longer. But, for the person doing the drive in, do what ever size you can. Someone once asked about speaker for a drive in once. This recent discussion on drive ins made me think, toothpicks, cut to scale size and make speaker, out of balsa wood, cut to scale, glue on top or to a car window with some think really thin black wire. Paint pole, steel and speaker a gray. Mike From: JFrederick Roberts Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 11:39 AM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Drive-in Theatre one trouble with this is to do it right takes about as much room as Mike M's minor league ballpark --- On Mon, 6/20/11, rapidrail1 <mailto:waynebeachy113%40comcast.net> wrote: From: rapidrail1 <mailto:waynebeachy113%40comcast.net> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Drive-in Theatre To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 20, 2011, 6:28 AM Back when I was working, I traveled the State doing inspections. I remember there was one spot that used to be a drive-in theater and used a Virginian caboose as the projection booth. Other than painting it white and covering many of the windows, I saw no other modifications to the structure. Sorry, I took no photos. Wayne --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> wrote: > > I am in the process of placing a DVD on my Flyer lay-out for a drive-in theatre setting. Do any of you know of an existing structure that might work for a projection building that housed the movie projector? Have been watching for something, but so far have not found anything. Any help would be appreciated. > > Mike Leahy > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65128	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 6/20/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre

I heard that vinyl the old 33 1/3 rpm albums were making a comeback To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mlmarmer@... Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 19:22:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Drive-in Theatre There was a article in the Washington Post yesterday that DVDs are on the way out since you can down load movies on line, etc.. Not sure if this will really happen, as I keep hearing the same about music CDs, as I am big fan of music and I still buy CDs, including blank ones. Mike From: Lennis Hall Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 2:40 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Drive-in Theatre Hi Ruth: You mean like this? http://gsaftc.com/Photos/20100807/IMAG0211.jpg Len --- On Sun, 6/19/11, Ruth A Leahy <mailto:ruth.leahy%40colorado.edu> wrote: From: Ruth A Leahy <mailto:ruth.leahy%40colorado.edu> Subject: [S-Trains] Drive-in Theatre To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 19, 2011, 8:42 AM I am in the process of placing a DVD on my Flyer lay-out for a drive-in theatre setting. Do any of you know of an existing structure that might work for a projection building that housed the movie projector? Have been watching for something, but so far have not found anything. Any help would be appreciated. Mike Leahy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65129	From: rapidrail1	Date: 6/20/2011
Subject: New photos added

Hi All, I continue to create new equipment for my Christmas streamline train. Latest are a full dome car and PA set to pull the train. I now have a total of 6 cars in the set which can be pulled by either a streamline pacific or PA set, both converted to DC. I have removed some of the old photos of individual cars and added a photo of the Diesel set and streamline pacific taken in front of the depot on Nick Colleran's layout. Nick took the new photo and also a photo of the entire set which displays the cars better than my photos. Take a look under Wayne's Christmas cars album. Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65130	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/20/2011
Subject: Drive-In Theater

Yes, some Drive-ins were huge, especially in flat country where there was pleny of ground cheap. When we lived in Zanesville, Ohio, the Skyline Drive-In was a large, fancy, high dollar operation. Just 100 miles away in the hills of Eastern Ohio, near Barnesville, the Leatherwood Drive-In was squeezed into a creek valley with a road on one side and a creek on the other. Long and thin compared to most, it held about thirty cars total! North of Warwood, WV. there was one which was built on an old cinder dump from a local power plant. Because of the shape of the land, it was wide but only six rows deep!If you were parked at the end of a row, the picture on the screen was odd looking. As an old time Drive-In Theater fan and former projectionist, I can tell you that they were a varied lot. A Drive-In on a train layout can be "selectively compressed" to fit just about any space as I don't know of any Drive-In Theater "rivet counters." :-) Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65131	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 6/20/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre

Vinyl never totally left. Pro DJ's with the right connections could get most of the dance music as it came out The right person with the right system could outshine a CD 7 days a week with vinyl. Jim Lyle In a message dated 6/20/2011 6:13:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, danceswithwolves49@... writes: I heard that vinyl the old 33 1/3 rpm albums were making a comeback To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mlmarmer@... Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 19:22:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Drive-in Theatre There was a article in the Washington Post yesterday that DVDs are on the way out since you can down load movies on line, etc.. Not sure if this will really happen, as I keep hearing the same about music CDs, as I am big fan of music and I still buy CDs, including blank ones. Mike From: Lennis Hall Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 2:40 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Drive-in Theatre Hi Ruth: You mean like this? http://gsaftc.com/Photos/20100807/IMAG0211.jpg Len --- On Sun, 6/19/11, Ruth A Leahy <mailto:ruth.leahy%40colorado.edu> wrote: From: Ruth A Leahy <mailto:ruth.leahy%40colorado.edu> Subject: [S-Trains] Drive-in Theatre To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 19, 2011, 8:42 AM I am in the process of placing a DVD on my Flyer lay-out for a drive-in theatre setting. Do any of you know of an existing structure that might work for a projection building that housed the movie projector? Have been watching for something, but so far have not found anything. Any help would be appreciated. Mike Leahy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65132	From: John Metzger	Date: 6/20/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-In Theater

There still is in operation a Skyline Drive-In at Belleville, IL with two screens. Half the cars point north to screen #1 while the other half point south to screen #2. Concession stand sits half way between the two screens. There special is $10.00 a carload with no limit to how many you cram into the car. ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, June 20, 2011 7:09:44 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Drive-In Theater   Yes, some Drive-ins were huge, especially in flat country where there was pleny of ground cheap. When we lived in Zanesville, Ohio, the Skyline Drive-In was a large, fancy, high dollar operation. Just 100 miles away in the hills of Eastern Ohio, near Barnesville, the Leatherwood Drive-In was squeezed into a creek valley with a road on one side and a creek on the other. Long and thin compared to most, it held about thirty cars total! North of Warwood, WV. there was one which was built on an old cinder dump from a local power plant. Because of the shape of the land, it was wide but only six rows deep!If you were parked at the end of a row, the picture on the screen was odd looking. As an old time Drive-In Theater fan and former projectionist, I can tell you that they were a varied lot. A Drive-In on a train layout can be "selectively compressed" to fit just about any space as I don't know of any Drive-In Theater "rivet counters." :-) Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65133	From: charlie and edith	Date: 6/20/2011
Subject: Re: Turnout Numbering

Greetings Bill! Thanks for your efforts!!! I have a much better Idea now, We have started an S gauge club, most of the guys are from Grand Rapids, and have a show in late September that we want to have modules ready for. One of the guys wants to try to build switches soooo? Hope all is well your way! Best, Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Porter To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 10:59 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Turnout Numbering Hi Charlie, It is a way to measure the angle of the frog. The frog is the place where the two inner rails meet. A frog number of 4 means that for each 4 units along the straight direction, the diverging route will move over 1 unit. There is a picture of a frog at: http://iprr.topcities.com/frog.htm The smaller the number, the bigger the angle. A frog number of 3 means the angle is a big one. For each inch the tracks diverge, it only has to go forward 3 inches. I looked at a few sites, but, never found a nice, simple drawing with the calculation. I can give it a try it you wish. Bill Reply from Bill Porter South Florida -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of charlie and edith Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 10:38 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Turnout Numbering Greetings! The "switch question" brings to mind a question about the numbering of turnouts....what does the number #4 mean or tell us about a #4 turnout ? I have seen turnouts refered to by number but have never seen an explanation. Can anyone explain this for us? Thanks and best wishes, Charlie in W MI [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65134	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/20/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-In Theater

Speaking of drive-ins, there used to be one in southern Colorado that was part of a motel, so that overnight residents could watch movies from their rooms. It was somewhere east of Durango, I think... The drive-ins around here had pretty basic projection buildings, usually just concrete bricks. A snack bar was usually near the projection booth. Roy From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 00:09:44 +0000 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Drive-In Theater Yes, some Drive-ins were huge, especially in flat country where there was pleny of ground cheap. When we lived in Zanesville, Ohio, the Skyline Drive-In was a large, fancy, high dollar operation. Just 100 miles away in the hills of Eastern Ohio, near Barnesville, the Leatherwood Drive-In was squeezed into a creek valley with a road on one side and a creek on the other. Long and thin compared to most, it held about thirty cars total! North of Warwood, WV. there was one which was built on an old cinder dump from a local power plant. Because of the shape of the land, it was wide but only six rows deep!If you were parked at the end of a row, the picture on the screen was odd looking. As an old time Drive-In Theater fan and former projectionist, I can tell you that they were a varied lot. A Drive-In on a train layout can be "selectively compressed" to fit just about any space as I don't know of any Drive-In Theater "rivet counters." :-) Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65135	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre

On 6/20/2011 6:29 PM, WJJIM@... wrote: > Vinyl never totally left. Pro DJ's with the right > connections could get > most of the dance music as it came out > The right person with the right system could outshine a CD 7 > days a week > with vinyl. > > Jim Lyle Its just like guitar amps, or model trains, or custom cars; its how one makes a hobby or vocation unique to them that counts. CD's are perfect, as are solid state amps virtually, but they leave little room for one's own personality. Dave W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65136	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: Re: Turnout Numbering

Sho nuff. It is hot here and much drier than normal. Yesterday, we got half an inch of rain and that has done nothing to relive the drought. It is a good time to be inside working on trains. Make sure you tell us when that show will be held. I have relatives in Michigan and that time of year is a real good time to visit. I have had a lot of fun over the years when I took modules to train shows. That is when we find out how much delight can be found on the face of the little kids, the bigger kids, the young adults and our colleagues. You will have a great time. Bill -- Bill Porter South Florida On 6/20/2011 9:46 PM, charlie and edith wrote: > Greetings Bill! Thanks for your efforts!!! I have a much better Idea now, We have started an S gauge club, most of the guys are from Grand Rapids, and have a show in late September that we want to have modules ready for. One of the guys wants to try to build switches soooo? Hope all is well your way! Best, Charlie

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65137	From: Mark	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: Drive in

Hi There is an active drive in with 2 screens in Vineland NJ. They have a fm broadcasting station so the sound comes over your car radio. The price is $ 7.50 per person for 2 movies and if you want to bring in outside food the permit is $7.00 a carload. here is the web site www.delseadrive-in.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65138	From: George Cohn	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-In Theater

On 6/20/2011 5:37 PM, John Metzger wrote: > There still is in operation a Skyline Drive-In at Belleville, IL with two > screens. Half the cars point north to screen #1 while the other half > point south > to screen #2. Concession stand sits half way between the two screens. There > special is $10.00 a carload with no limit to how many you cram into the car. Our four screen closed in Oct 2009. I'm a board member of a local group trying to build another. One issue is "carload prices." The film brokers and studios absolutely forbid it by contract on anything reasonably current. After the films have been out for a while, they are flat rate and possibly you can offer "Carload." Movie theaters pay most of the admission price to the brokers and studios, sometimes up to 70%. The only thing that keeps them alive is the concession sales. Bit of trivia, when Lucas came out with one of the Star Wars films, he wanted a percentage of concessions as well. Everyone walked out on him, killing the precedent. That's how important concessions are to a theaters survival. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65139	From: Rhett George	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: Drive-In Theater

- GreetingS - Here in Carolinas, the drive-in usually seen on the modular ACSG layout consists of a flat screen portable TV (pre-digital), an array of vehicles parked in a sector in front, and speakers found by Joanna at some hobby store. Thanks for reminding me that we do not have a projection booth/ refreshment stand. The picture comes from the camera car and its trans- mitter. When the car is on a train, the audience sees a railroad movie. At other times the camera car is parked so that it is focused on the audience. Thus the viewers see themselves as the stars of the silver screen. Occasionally this gives rise to an entertaining audiences comment. The TV measures about 8" on the diagonal. It is dressed up with a facade proclaiming Star-Lite Drive-In. Inxstructions for settng up are on the reverse of the facade. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65140	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: GM&O Passenger Cars for sale

I have four GM&O passenger cars by American Models for sale. All are high rail with the AF compatible couplers. Of course they can be converted very easily to scale. These are beautiful passenger cars in LN condition.: 1. GM&O RPO 2. GM&O Coach 3. GM&O Coach 4. GM&O Pullman "Redwood" 10-1-2 Sleeper I am asking $160 for the set plus shipping costs. Please respond to Earl Henry at _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) or call 615-298-4502 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65141	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: American Models Boxcars for Sale - Southern Pacific

I have several American Models boxcars for sale. All are new or in LN condition. All are high rail with AF compatible couplers but can easily be converted to scale. 1. Southern Pacific - #1117 40' - Tuscan with white lettering and black SP logo with white lettering 2. Southern Pacific - #1144 "Overnights" 40' with deluxe roofwalk - Silver 3. Southern Pacific - #1135 40' with deluxe roofwalk - black I am asking $29 each plus shipping for each one. Or free shipping if you order all three cars. Contact Earl Henry at _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) or call 615-298-4502 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65142	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: SHS D&H Bulkhead Flatcar with Pulpwood Load for sale

For sale, SHS #00337 Bulkhead Flatcar D&H with Pulpwood Load. Lightly used in LN condition. It has highrail wheels but the scale wheelsets are in the box. Asking $60 including shipping to U.S. addresses. Contact Earl Henry at 615-298-4502 or send email to _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65143	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-In Theater

George is 100% correct on the admission price covering only the film rental and some of the employees wages. He is also right that the film distribution companies were VERY protective of their rights. The worst of these back when I was a projectionist was Disney's distribution arm, Buena Vista. Their films not only commanded higher fees, but they also got a "gate percentage." They were not availble to Drive-Ins on a "first run" basis, only after they had made the rounds of indoor theaters. Buena Vista also would send "lot checkers" around to Drive-Ins to compare patronage with the rental fees. With so few Drive-Ins left these days, films go right to DVD and Blu-Ray or are redistributed through cable TV "pay per veiw" and other deals. That's why so many studios have merged with the major communications companies. For instance, cable giant Comcast owns both NBC Television and Universal Studios. Theaters are fast becoming lesser outlets. No matter, I still have fine memories of the old Drive-In Theaters and all their fifties trappings. I'm even doing a multi part series on them on my "Stumpy's Corner" blogsite as a summer thing. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65144	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: WiThrottle

An application that allows you to use an iPhone or iPod Touch as a throttle (via a wireless connection to a command control system) http://withrottle.com/WiThrottle/Home.html The page has a link to the freeware "JMRI" software; it claims to able to control TMCC, DCC, etc. and supports the Wi-fi throttle http://jmri.org/help/en/package/jmri/jmrit/withrottle/UserInterface.shtml I have no way to test any of this, but it looks interesting.. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65145	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: Lt, Col. William McReynolds interviews (train related stories)

My mother dated a Retired Lt. Col. William McReynolds, who was a member of the class of 1941 US Naval Academy. They married in 1988 so she could be buried at the Naval Academy as this was in May and she passed away in June of 1988. Long story here, as she got cancer during their relationship, and he took great care of her till the very end. But there is train material here. Bill died in 2008 at the age of 89, as I kept in touch with him. On Memorial Day I googled his name, as I knew he played a important part at the Battle of the Chosen Reservoir in Korean. I found a link to his name at East Carolina University, as someone did 4 interviews with Bill on his life from 1919 to about 1952. I did not know about these interviews. I got CDs made by the school from the cassette tapes they have of the interviews. Plus a written transcript of the first interview. I was able to track down some people from his class that he mentions, as one was a Captain Victor Delano, who was on the US VW at Pearl Harbor. He is a far distant cousin to FDR. Another one I got ahold of was a Earl Luehman, as he is not doing well, as I spoke to his wife. I am making copies of the CDs for them. They where members of Bills class. Earl and Bill got in trouble for playing hockey on the deck of a ship while in school. Trains are mention many times, as when he graduated from the Academy, he went straight into battle due to WW2. He was a executive officer at the battle of Saipan. The stories told are something here during all the interviews. I could go on and on, but it is not train related. He mentions how the troops moved about on trains in the US. But one story is related to the Korean War. Bill was on the East Coast, as he was a Major at the time. He was ordered out to the west coast, as they where going to be shipped out to Korea. He mentions that the train was a steam engine, as the interview is in the late 90s and steam engines have been long gone by then. They arrived a day late due to the engine breaking down. He was sort of taken to task for being a day late, as his response was “I was not driving the damn engine”. They let him off due to this. He then was in Seoul, Korean and the US trucks and other moving vehicles had troubles on the streets as Seoul had a lot of overhead wires for trolleys. The vehicles got caught in the wires. I would assume in time, the cable lines where taken down either by trucks or by hand. There are a ton of interesting stories here, but they are not train related. I am not sure how these interviews where made and why, but too many stories pass on without having these stories of life saved, military or not. Many family stories are lost I am sure over time that should be passed on to the next generations of family. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65146	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: Re: American Models Boxcars for Sale - Southern Pacific

Hi Earl, If no one has spoken up, I'll take the three SP box cars @ $29 each. I tried your email address but it bounced back. Thanks, David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, tennsgauge@... wrote: > > I have several American Models boxcars for sale. All are new or in LN > condition. All are high rail with AF compatible couplers but can easily be > converted to scale. > > 1. Southern Pacific - #1117 40' - Tuscan with white lettering and black > SP logo with white lettering > > 2. Southern Pacific - #1144 "Overnights" 40' with deluxe roofwalk - > Silver > > 3. Southern Pacific - #1135 40' with deluxe roofwalk - black > > > I am asking $29 each plus shipping for each one. Or free shipping if you > order all three cars. > > Contact Earl Henry at _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) or > call 615-298-4502 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65147	From: Ken Christiansen	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre

Don't forget the pickup; truck parked backwards, with 2 lawn chairs and a Folding TV table between. It's a guy thing. My buddy and I saw many a movie from the back of his truck. Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65148	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: Re: Part

Hi Ron, I found the PA11432 Gear you wanted. If you still need it please email me seccia@... Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: ron_tallyho <ron_tallyho@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, June 14, 2011 2:25:57 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Part Any chance anyone out there might have a extra stationary moon shaped gear that goes on the 719/919 dump car to operate the door. Or know where I might find one? Thank you Ron Plyler [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65149	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 6/21/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre

Did any of you resort to the tricks we did at the Drive-ins down here in Adelaide, South Australia. Usually there would be one or even two guys in the auto's trunk when we drove thru the pay gate. We would then drive to a shady spot at the back and they would climb out and into the seats. Cheap but then we did not have much money as teens in the 60's. You should note the trunks on our autos were less than half the size of yours, though I had a customline and a barge fairlane for short periods. Alistair On Wed 22/06/11 12:36 PM , "Ken Christiansen" klchris@... sent: Don't forget the pickup; truck parked backwards, with 2 lawn chairs and a Folding TV table between. It's a guy thing. My buddy and I saw many a movie from the back of his truck. Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20Drive-in%20Theatre [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvYzMxOGIyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTE0NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMDg3MTIyMDk-?act=reply&messageNum=65147 [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/65118;_ylc=X3oDMTM0OXFxNm1uBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTE0NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMDg3MTIyMDkEdHBjSWQDNjUxMTg- [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [5] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15omi2da3/M=493064.14543979.14365478.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1308719410/L=236ef482-9c7d-11e0-acdc-1790e1fb7c89/B=DdVmBdGDJGs-/J=1308712210090685/K=wncOQPisE_UDkcaZpcDaFg/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65150	From: George Cohn	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Old Railway Inspection Cars

A friend send me this link of old automobiles configured as railway inspection vehicles. Might be an interesting item to model if your layout depicts an era around the 30's or so. http://www.bangshift.com/gallery/Antique-Railroad-Inspection-Cars-gallery.html George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65151	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Drive In Movie

Hi Folks, I recall those things with much fondness. I don't recall sneaking in with my girlfriend. I suspect that once we got into the trunk, the getting out part would have become more challenging. I did post a photo of a screen with some nice, older cars in front. Look in the last photo album "ZOT Photos" for the black and white image from a Life magazine. I am struck with the angular size of the screen. From most parking spots, it would be smaller than modern TV pictures. I also note the smallness of the car windows. There would be little need for deep tinting to provide privacy for uninterrupted viewing pleasure. I'll keep looking for a projection and concession building. Bill -- Bill Porter South Florida

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65152	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} GM&O Passenger Cars for sale - SOLD

The GM&O passenger cars have been sold. - Earl Henry In a message dated 6/21/2011 11:43:31 A.M. Central Daylight Time, tennsgauge@... writes: I have four GM&O passenger cars by American Models for sale. All are high rail with the AF compatible couplers. Of course they can be converted very easily to scale. These are beautiful passenger cars in LN condition.: 1. GM&O RPO 2. GM&O Coach 3. GM&O Coach 4. GM&O Pullman "Redwood" 10-1-2 Sleeper I am asking $160 for the set plus shipping costs. Please respond to Earl Henry at __tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:_tennsgauge@...) _ (mailto:_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) ) or call 615-298-4502 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65153	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} American Models Boxcars for Sale - Southern Pacif

These items have been sold. - Earl Henry In a message dated 6/21/2011 12:01:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tennsgauge@... writes: I have several American Models boxcars for sale. All are new or in LN condition. All are high rail with AF compatible couplers but can easily be converted to scale. 1. Southern Pacific - #1117 40' - Tuscan with white lettering and black SP logo with white lettering 2. Southern Pacific - #1144 "Overnights" 40' with deluxe roofwalk - Silver 3. Southern Pacific - #1135 40' with deluxe roofwalk - black I am asking $29 each plus shipping for each one. Or free shipping if you order all three cars. Contact Earl Henry at __tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:_tennsgauge@...) _ (mailto:_tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) ) or call 615-298-4502 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65154	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-In Theater

Hey Gang check this out. http://www.driveinmovie.com/mainmenu.htm We still have one here in Butte actually Silver Bow a short distance from town Bob in Butte To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: gwcohn@... Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:46:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Drive-In Theater On 6/20/2011 5:37 PM, John Metzger wrote: > There still is in operation a Skyline Drive-In at Belleville, IL with two > screens. Half the cars point north to screen #1 while the other half > point south > to screen #2. Concession stand sits half way between the two screens. There > special is $10.00 a carload with no limit to how many you cram into the car. Our four screen closed in Oct 2009. I'm a board member of a local group trying to build another. One issue is "carload prices." The film brokers and studios absolutely forbid it by contract on anything reasonably current. After the films have been out for a while, they are flat rate and possibly you can offer "Carload." Movie theaters pay most of the admission price to the brokers and studios, sometimes up to 70%. The only thing that keeps them alive is the concession sales. Bit of trivia, when Lucas came out with one of the Star Wars films, he wanted a percentage of concessions as well. Everyone walked out on him, killing the precedent. That's how important concessions are to a theaters survival. George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65155	From: Don Thompson	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Re: WiThrottle

Dear Brady, I am sorry you missed our Open House earlier this month. Michael Greene, Tommy Robichard, and Bill Clark were here and demonstrated this software using a Lenz set 100 and my iPhone on our display layout. I was impressed.... Don On Jun 21, 2011, at 9:07 PM, Brady Burdge wrote: > An application that allows you to use an iPhone or iPod Touch as a > throttle (via a wireless connection to a command control system) > > http://withrottle.com/WiThrottle/Home.html > > The page has a link to the freeware "JMRI" software; it claims to > able to control TMCC, DCC, etc. and supports the Wi-fi throttle > > http://jmri.org/help/en/package/jmri/jmrit/withrottle/UserInterface.shtml > > I have no way to test any of this, but it looks interesting.. > > > Brady Burdge > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65156	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: "S"acto e-store schedule

Gents..Here is a notice of the X2011W online e-store schedule. Note that the e-store will close down in about a week and move operations from the San Francisco area up to the Sacramento convention site. If you have been delaying making reservations for the ROUNDHOUSE REVUE & BBQ Too! or any other events and/or tours, you'd best act swiftly. Once the e-store is closed, you will have to buy your tickets in person on-site in Sacramento. Who knows what might be sold out by then? Have fun..Ed Loizeaux Reminder: The online X2011 e-Store closes at 10:00 AM PDT, Thursday, June 30, for all event and tour sales, except for registrations. For more information, see: <http://www.x2011west.org/index.html#newsBlock> http://www.x2011west.org/index.html#newsBlock [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65157	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Drive-In Theater

Wow! This has turned out to be a popular thread for a train site! There must be a lot of folks with fond memories of the old Drive-Ins. "Buck-A-Car" night was always fun! You packed ten of your closest friends (litterally) in an old car and got them all in for a dollar! The record at the old St Clairsville Drive-In when I worked there in 1968 was 19 in a '57 Ford station wagon. The rear tires rubbed the inside of the fenders! The theater owner disallowed the three guys hanging onto the roof rack. Sneaking into the Drive-In in the trunk was a time honored tradition! Most theater managers around here were pretty relaxed about it because they made up for it in the snack bar. If a car was really suspicious, the manager would stroll down to near where the car parked and would pretend to be checking speakers in the area until the kids in the trunk got desperate to get out and started pounding on the truck lid or shouting to be let out. Those big old sedans of the fifties and sixties could hide four or five teens if they didn't have to go too far. What gave them away was that the car was turned into a "low rider" by all the weight! After the advent of air shocks it got harder to catch them though! Less tolerated were people who climbed over or pried open the corrugated metal fence to get in. Ah, the memories! Thanks again... Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65158	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Sacramento NMRA convention -- Banquet & Nonquet Explanation

Is the "Nonquet" a choice or does it replace the traditional banquet? Ed Davis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------- After receiving several emails similar to the one above, I thought it might be worthwhile to explain these two events - a traditional banquet and the non-quet. Hopefully this explanation will clear up some confusion for all of us. I. First the banquet, which is named "ROUNDHOUSE REVUE AND BBQ Too!" This event is co-hosted by THE S SCALE SIG of the NMRA and the NASG (Nat'l. Assn. of S Gaugers). It is being held inside the roundhouse of the California State Railroad Museum on Saturday evening from 5:30-11:00 pm. This event is open to ALL registrants of the X2011 convention and we invite you to join us. Yes, you can bring your wife, children, girlfriend, relatives, neighbors, etc. without restrictions. One X2011 registrant can simply buy enough tickets for those he wishes to bring along. Click here for details: http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html#banquet http://www.x2011west.org/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info <http://www.x2011west.org/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=9&prod ucts_id=55> &cPath=9&products_id=55 Our banquet meal is a Texas-style western BBQ provided by an award-winning catering company which is ranked "First in Sacramento County" year after year by the local culinary magazines and newspaper columnists. Featured are briskets, ribs, chicken and salads. A no-host bar will be available for the thirsty. After dinner, we will be moving into the Museum Theatre for a professional performance by the Hubba-Hubba organization which is based in San Francisco. This musical and comedy revue will be a family-oriented performance rather than the usual burlesque for which Hubba-Hubba is famous. Worthy of note, Hubba-Hubba has been ranked as one of the top ten burlesque shows in the world in direct competition with organizations based in Paris and London. The Hubba-Hubba girls have recently concluded performances in Las Vegas and have just returned to their San Francisco home town. Acts for this revue will include the following: Sister Kate -- Wendy, Sarah & Ashley are San Francisco's own Cabaret Gypsies. With a wink & a smile, this trio of shimmying beauties combine burlesque & belly dance to create unforgettable acts guaranteed to tantalize & mesmerize! Room for Cream -- From far-off Sonomastan, and the shores of Old Eastbania, Jodi Waseca & J.D. Limelight captivate with laughs, music & dance. Don't be scared if a wild gorilla shows up, he's just there to play the accordion. McPuzo & Trotsky -- All the way from 1921, come these Troubadours for Troubled Times! Armed with an arsenal of timely tunes (hits like "Warren G. Harding is a Horse's Ass" & "Beef for India!") McPuzo & Trotsky are living proof that the banjo can indeed be used for Good! Conductor Kingfish, your Master of Ceremonies & Tour-Guide to Entertainment! Zip the What-Is-It? Hairy Beast-Man --and loyal stagehand!-- from Barnum's Own Menagerie! ...plus in the wings, Long-Suffering & Stalwart Stage-Manager, Comrade Tang! There will be ample time to roam the California State Railroad Museum and see the exhibits. No need to miss a clinic or tour to spend time savoring your favorite locomotive without the hassle of long lines and crowds. Yes, there will be numerous costumed docents available to answer your questions and to explain the purpose of each control in the cab of SP's cab forward steam locomotive. You can count rivets, check the wheel gauge and look for decal film on the tender's lettering to your heart's delight. This is truly the best time for an intimate personal visit with your favorite engine or car. Afterwards, the annual NASG announcements and award presentations will be made. Next year's NASG convention in Chattanooga, TN will be previewed. Non-S modelers are invited to stay for this meeting or they can roam the museum exhibits if they prefer. II. Now for the "Nonquet" which is explained here in some detail: http://www.x2011west.org/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info <http://www.x2011west.org/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=10&pro ducts_id=67> &cPath=10&products_id=67 I think potential confusion stems from the scheduling of these two events which are both being held on Saturday evening. One is in the Sacramento Convention Center and the other is in the roundhouse of the California State Railroad Museum. Thus, it will be difficult to attend both events due to travel time and overlapping of event timing. We will have to choose one or the other. As usual, if you have any questions pertaining to the ROUNDHOUSE REVUE AND BBQ TOO!, please feel free to contact me at: Loizeaux "at" SBCGlobal.net As of now, there are only about 30 seats remaining for the banquet. First come, first serve. Seating is limited by space availability in the roundhouse due to all the engines and cars. Thanks for listening... Ed Loizeaux, S scale Co-Coordinator Loizeaux "at" SBCGLobal.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65159	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon

Hi All, I uploaded three photos of a rotary beacon just down the street from my house. It's nice to know these still exist tucked away at small air strips. You can view the photos here: http://tinyurl.com/5vo5van BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65160	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre

Yeah we sure did and not just guys either...one time we had 14 people in the trunk (the Brits call it the boot) of a 57 Chevy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: alizoo@... Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:26:11 +0900 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Drive-in Theatre Did any of you resort to the tricks we did at the Drive-ins down here in Adelaide, South Australia. Usually there would be one or even two guys in the auto's trunk when we drove thru the pay gate. We would then drive to a shady spot at the back and they would climb out and into the seats. Cheap but then we did not have much money as teens in the 60's. You should note the trunks on our autos were less than half the size of yours, though I had a customline and a barge fairlane for short periods. Alistair On Wed 22/06/11 12:36 PM , "Ken Christiansen" klchris@... sent: Don't forget the pickup; truck parked backwards, with 2 lawn chairs and a Folding TV table between. It's a guy thing. My buddy and I saw many a movie from the back of his truck. Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20Drive-in%20Theatre [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvYzMxOGIyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTE0NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMDg3MTIyMDk-?act=reply&messageNum=65147 [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/65118;_ylc=X3oDMTM0OXFxNm1uBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTE0NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMDg3MTIyMDkEdHBjSWQDNjUxMTg- [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [5] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15omi2da3/M=493064.14543979.14365478.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1308719410/L=236ef482-9c7d-11e0-acdc-1790e1fb7c89/B=DdVmBdGDJGs-/J=1308712210090685/K=wncOQPisE_UDkcaZpcDaFg/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65161	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Re: Drive In Movie

O. Winston Link took what is now a classic black and white photo of an L&N train pulled by steam passing a drive-in theater To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: wpporter@... Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:11:30 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] Drive In Movie Hi Folks, I recall those things with much fondness. I don't recall sneaking in with my girlfriend. I suspect that once we got into the trunk, the getting out part would have become more challenging. I did post a photo of a screen with some nice, older cars in front. Look in the last photo album "ZOT Photos" for the black and white image from a Life magazine. I am struck with the angular size of the screen. From most parking spots, it would be smaller than modern TV pictures. I also note the smallness of the car windows. There would be little need for deep tinting to provide privacy for uninterrupted viewing pleasure. I'll keep looking for a projection and concession building. Bill -- Bill Porter South Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65162	From: Robert Lampe	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-In Theater

Caddies, Lincolns and the big Chryslers were popular they had cavernous trunks To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mrstumpy@... Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:47:58 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Drive-In Theater Wow! This has turned out to be a popular thread for a train site! There must be a lot of folks with fond memories of the old Drive-Ins. "Buck-A-Car" night was always fun! You packed ten of your closest friends (litterally) in an old car and got them all in for a dollar! The record at the old St Clairsville Drive-In when I worked there in 1968 was 19 in a '57 Ford station wagon. The rear tires rubbed the inside of the fenders! The theater owner disallowed the three guys hanging onto the roof rack. Sneaking into the Drive-In in the trunk was a time honored tradition! Most theater managers around here were pretty relaxed about it because they made up for it in the snack bar. If a car was really suspicious, the manager would stroll down to near where the car parked and would pretend to be checking speakers in the area until the kids in the trunk got desperate to get out and started pounding on the truck lid or shouting to be let out. Those big old sedans of the fifties and sixties could hide four or five teens if they didn't have to go too far. What gave them away was that the car was turned into a "low rider" by all the weight! After the advent of air shocks it got harder to catch them though! Less tolerated were people who climbed over or pried open the corrugated metal fence to get in. Ah, the memories! Thanks again... Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65163	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Re: DRIVE INS

If I recall correctly, Neil Young owned part, if not all of the now gone Van Nuys Drive In, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65164	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-In Theater

Wait, I thought going to the drive in was for making out, not going with 10 of your closest friends unless they where .......... Mike From: mrstumpy50 Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 3:47 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Drive-In Theater Wow! This has turned out to be a popular thread for a train site! There must be a lot of folks with fond memories of the old Drive-Ins. "Buck-A-Car" night was always fun! You packed ten of your closest friends (litterally) in an old car and got them all in for a dollar! The record at the old St Clairsville Drive-In when I worked there in 1968 was 19 in a '57 Ford station wagon. The rear tires rubbed the inside of the fenders! The theater owner disallowed the three guys hanging onto the roof rack. Sneaking into the Drive-In in the trunk was a time honored tradition! Most theater managers around here were pretty relaxed about it because they made up for it in the snack bar. If a car was really suspicious, the manager would stroll down to near where the car parked and would pretend to be checking speakers in the area until the kids in the trunk got desperate to get out and started pounding on the truck lid or shouting to be let out. Those big old sedans of the fifties and sixties could hide four or five teens if they didn't have to go too far. What gave them away was that the car was turned into a "low rider" by all the weight! After the advent of air shocks it got harder to catch them though! Less tolerated were people who climbed over or pried open the corrugated metal fence to get in. Ah, the memories! Thanks again... Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65165	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/22/2011
Subject: Re: Sacramento NMRA convention -- Banquet & Nonquet Explanation

Big Mac, Fries and a super size soda would be in order as you listen to Neil Young music in the background. Mike Marmer From: Edward Loizeaux Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:22 PM To: Ed Loizeaux Subject: [S-Trains] Sacramento NMRA convention -- Banquet & Nonquet Explanation Is the "Nonquet" a choice or does it replace the traditional banquet? Ed Davis ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------------- After receiving several emails similar to the one above, I thought it might be worthwhile to explain these two events - a traditional banquet and the non-quet. Hopefully this explanation will clear up some confusion for all of us. I. First the banquet, which is named "ROUNDHOUSE REVUE AND BBQ Too!" This event is co-hosted by THE S SCALE SIG of the NMRA and the NASG (Nat'l. Assn. of S Gaugers). It is being held inside the roundhouse of the California State Railroad Museum on Saturday evening from 5:30-11:00 pm. This event is open to ALL registrants of the X2011 convention and we invite you to join us. Yes, you can bring your wife, children, girlfriend, relatives, neighbors, etc. without restrictions. One X2011 registrant can simply buy enough tickets for those he wishes to bring along. Click here for details: http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html#banquet http://www.x2011west.org/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info <http://www.x2011west.org/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=9&prod ucts_id=55> &cPath=9&products_id=55 Our banquet meal is a Texas-style western BBQ provided by an award-winning catering company which is ranked "First in Sacramento County" year after year by the local culinary magazines and newspaper columnists. Featured are briskets, ribs, chicken and salads. A no-host bar will be available for the thirsty. After dinner, we will be moving into the Museum Theatre for a professional performance by the Hubba-Hubba organization which is based in San Francisco. This musical and comedy revue will be a family-oriented performance rather than the usual burlesque for which Hubba-Hubba is famous. Worthy of note, Hubba-Hubba has been ranked as one of the top ten burlesque shows in the world in direct competition with organizations based in Paris and London. The Hubba-Hubba girls have recently concluded performances in Las Vegas and have just returned to their San Francisco home town. Acts for this revue will include the following: Sister Kate -- Wendy, Sarah & Ashley are San Francisco's own Cabaret Gypsies. With a wink & a smile, this trio of shimmying beauties combine burlesque & belly dance to create unforgettable acts guaranteed to tantalize & mesmerize! Room for Cream -- From far-off Sonomastan, and the shores of Old Eastbania, Jodi Waseca & J.D. Limelight captivate with laughs, music & dance. Don't be scared if a wild gorilla shows up, he's just there to play the accordion. McPuzo & Trotsky -- All the way from 1921, come these Troubadours for Troubled Times! Armed with an arsenal of timely tunes (hits like "Warren G. Harding is a Horse's Ass" & "Beef for India!") McPuzo & Trotsky are living proof that the banjo can indeed be used for Good! Conductor Kingfish, your Master of Ceremonies & Tour-Guide to Entertainment! Zip the What-Is-It? Hairy Beast-Man --and loyal stagehand!-- from Barnum's Own Menagerie! ...plus in the wings, Long-Suffering & Stalwart Stage-Manager, Comrade Tang! There will be ample time to roam the California State Railroad Museum and see the exhibits. No need to miss a clinic or tour to spend time savoring your favorite locomotive without the hassle of long lines and crowds. Yes, there will be numerous costumed docents available to answer your questions and to explain the purpose of each control in the cab of SP's cab forward steam locomotive. You can count rivets, check the wheel gauge and look for decal film on the tender's lettering to your heart's delight. This is truly the best time for an intimate personal visit with your favorite engine or car. Afterwards, the annual NASG announcements and award presentations will be made. Next year's NASG convention in Chattanooga, TN will be previewed. Non-S modelers are invited to stay for this meeting or they can roam the museum exhibits if they prefer. II. Now for the "Nonquet" which is explained here in some detail: http://www.x2011west.org/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info <http://www.x2011west.org/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=10&pro ducts_id=67> &cPath=10&products_id=67 I think potential confusion stems from the scheduling of these two events which are both being held on Saturday evening. One is in the Sacramento Convention Center and the other is in the roundhouse of the California State Railroad Museum. Thus, it will be difficult to attend both events due to travel time and overlapping of event timing. We will have to choose one or the other. As usual, if you have any questions pertaining to the ROUNDHOUSE REVUE AND BBQ TOO!, please feel free to contact me at: Loizeaux "at" SBCGlobal.net As of now, there are only about 30 seats remaining for the banquet. First come, first serve. Seating is limited by space availability in the roundhouse due to all the engines and cars. Thanks for listening... Ed Loizeaux, S scale Co-Coordinator Loizeaux "at" SBCGLobal.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65166	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon

From: Alan Lambert           Lone Star Flyer Club           Arlington, Texas     Hey BG1,   If you rememer all  big air strips had them. I think it was a way to tell the pilots North and South, then they new East and West while they were landing. Also helped locate strip in low visibility weather conditions. Thats why they flashed Red and Green. I think the beacon is still used forr that purpose today. I see one flashing all the time at Dallas Fort Worth Int Airport.                                                                 Thanks,                                                                              Alan From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:15 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon   Hi All, I uploaded three photos of a rotary beacon just down the street from my house. It's nice to know these still exist tucked away at small air strips. You can view the photos here: http://tinyurl.com/5vo5van BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65167	From: Carey Probst	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon

Where is that located? Looks like one not too far from me at Piper Memorial Airport Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 6/22/2011 8:15 PM, bull_gator_1 wrote: > > Hi All, > > I uploaded three photos of a rotary beacon just down the street from > my house. It's nice to know these still exist tucked away at small air > strips. > > You can view the photos here: > > http://tinyurl.com/5vo5van > > BG1 > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65168	From: Carey Probst	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: DRIVE INS

I remember fondly my days in college, 8 of us in the back of the fraternity hearse, 4 couples. Parked sideways so everyone could see out the large side windows. From the look on the ticket booth attendant we were the first hearse she had seen there. Plus you could close the curtains if needed for some privacy (sort of) Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65169	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon

----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Lambert . . . . . . . . . .. I think it was a way to tell the pilots North and South, then they new East and West while they were landing. Also helped locate strip in low visibility weather conditions. Thats why they flashed Red and Green. . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The airport beacons I've most often seen in the USA consist of a rotating head that sends white beam in one direction and a green one in the opposite direction. I don't know how a rotating beacon would help determine north & south, but don't (or didn't) water towers frequently have an arrow on the top pointing north? I've never heard of rotating red & green in the real world, but that wouldn't stop Mr Gilbert from using those colours on his beacons. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerodrome_beacon Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65170	From: Carey Probst	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon

Not sure how that North South thing would work with 1 rotating beacon. Colors denote the airport to help keep pilots from landing at the wrong one, something even commercial pilots have been known to do. The Piper Memorial Airport colors are green and white and flash in my bedroom window every night from the time the leaves fall until the following spring. It's been there and green and white for at least 60 years that I know of. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 6/23/2011 8:22 AM, Alan Lambert wrote: > > From: Alan Lambert > Lone Star Flyer Club > Arlington, Texas > > Hey BG1, > > If you rememer all big air strips had them. I think it was a way to > tell the pilots North and South, then they new East and West while > they were landing. Also helped locate strip in low visibility weather > conditions. Thats why they flashed Red and Green. I think the beacon > is still used forr that purpose today. I see one flashing all the time > at Dallas Fort Worth Int Airport. > Thanks, > > Alan > > From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@... > <mailto:bull_gator_1%40yahoo.com>> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:15 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon > > > Hi All, > > I uploaded three photos of a rotary beacon just down the street from > my house. It's nice to know these still exist tucked away at small air > strips. > > You can view the photos here: > > http://tinyurl.com/5vo5van > > BG1 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65171	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: C&O Canal (train related)

I just got my latest C&O Canal newsletter and this little story appeared in the newsletter. I am going to type it out. On Jan. 1, 1829, Governor of New York Martin Van Buren wrote this to President Jackson: “The canal system of this country is being threatened by the spread of a new form of transportation known as “railroads”. As you may well know, railroad carriages are pulled at the enormous speed of 15 miles per hour by engines, which, in addition to endangering life and limb of passengers, roar and snort their way through the countryside. the Almighty certainly never intended that people should travel at such a breakneck speed”. Though oft-quoted, the letter I thought by many to be apocryphal. ( not authenticated) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The above is sort of silly and funny, as the railroads did over come the canals in the end. Many of you know I am a big fan of the C&O canal, as I have hiked all 184 miles of it in the late 60s with the Boy Scouts and Linda and I bike on it just about every weekend from April to November. The speed limit on the canal for boats was 4 mph, as any faster, the ripples from the boats would damage the clay covered canal beds. I have read that RR employee’s would throw rocks to spook the mules pulling the boats, as the boats carrying goods, mostly coal was competition. I have read a book last year called Railroad Triumph which states that the RRs where coming but due to many canals being built in the early 1800s, there was a need for faster movement of goods and people, so the canals actually got RR design going sooner. The Canal went into bankruptcy in the 1880s as the B&O RR purchased the canal. The Canal closed in 1924. The B&O RR went bankrupt in 1936, as the government got the canal then. It was made into a national park in 1971. I am reading a book written on the C&O Canal, and President Jackson actually cut off all US Government funding for the building of this canal. He saw no need for it. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65172	From: Jerry	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon

Here's a bit from the Aeronautical Knowledge Handbook: Airport beacons help a pilot identify an airport at night. The beacons are operated from dusk till dawn and sometimes they are turned on if the ceiling is less than 1,000 feet and/or the ground visibility is less than 3 statute miles (visual flight rules minimums). However, there is no requirement for this, so a pilot has the responsibility of determining if the weather is VFR. Some of the most common beacons are: * Flashing white and green for civilian land airports. * Flashing white and yellow for a water airport. * Flashing white, yellow, and green for a heliport. * Two quick white flashes followed by a green flash identifies a military airport. As a private civilian pilot (single engine, fixed wing, land), the white/green is the only one that concerned me. Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65173	From: Jerry	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon

Speaking as a private pilot, all open airports flash a green and white light. When closed, it's red. That's all they mean any more. With today's GPS, finding an airport is easy (at least easier than using the VOR's and vectoring). Landing well isn't always so. ;>) Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65174	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon

(or didn't) water towers frequently have an arrow on the  top pointing north?    Not only water towers, but large buildings often had the north arrow.  I have a 1937 overhead photo of the Sikorsky (now the abandoned Stratford Army Engine Plant- ex-AVCO, Textron, AlliedSignal/ Lycoming) facility that prominently features the arrow on the roof of Building Two. - John Marganski  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65175	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: RPM in conjunction with "S"acto....

For those that are attending X2011 West, the NMRA national convention in Sacramento, starting in a week, Here is some additional information. This is a non-extra fare event for convention attendees and we ask that you try and find some time to drop by and see some outstanding models -- and take a few moments to talk to the modelers. Hope to see you there. Ed L. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A full Railroad Prototype Modelers (RPM) meet will be held in conjunction with the 2011 NMRA National Convention to be held in Sacramento, CA in July 2011. The activities will include clinics specifically aimed at prototype modelers and model displays of locomotives, equipment, and structure models. Bring your prototype models so all can enjoy and share them! There are no contests or awards. Instead, the goal is to share information, present your best modeling techniques, and meet your fellow area modelers. In addition to model displays, presentations by nationally-recognized modelers and historians are scheduled. Dates and times for the RPM portion of the Convention are Wednesday, July 6, and Thursday, July 7, from 12:00 noon until 8:00 pm although the NMRA Convention lasts all week from July 3-9, 2011. The RPM meet will be held in the Sacramento Convention Center Complex, 1400 J Street in Sacramento. More information on the RPM meet and the week-long convention can be found on the Convention website at X2011west.org

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65176	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon

From: Alan Lambert   Tom, I might be wrong with the true colors, just what A.C. had on his. From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon   ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Lambert . . . . . . . . . .. I think it was a way to tell the pilots North and South, then they new East and West while they were landing. Also helped locate strip in low visibility weather conditions. Thats why they flashed Red and Green. . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The airport beacons I've most often seen in the USA consist of a rotating head that sends white beam in one direction and a green one in the opposite direction. I don't know how a rotating beacon would help determine north & south, but don't (or didn't) water towers frequently have an arrow on the top pointing north? I've never heard of rotating red & green in the real world, but that wouldn't stop Mr Gilbert from using those colours on his beacons. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerodrome_beacon Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65177	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon

From: Alan Lambert   Carey,  You are right, I had the colors wrong.  I remember those becones at the Air Force bases I was at  during my Air Force days. � thanks, alan From: Carey Probst <s-scale@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon   Not sure how that North South thing would work with 1 rotating beacon. Colors denote the airport to help keep pilots from landing at the wrong one, something even commercial pilots have been known to do. The Piper Memorial Airport colors are green and white and flash in my bedroom window every night from the time the leaves fall until the following spring. It's been there and green and white for at least 60 years that I know of. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 6/23/2011 8:22 AM, Alan Lambert wrote: > > From: Alan Lambert > Lone Star Flyer Club > Arlington, Texas > > Hey BG1, > > If you rememer all big air strips had them. I think it was a way to > tell the pilots North and South, then they new East and West while > they were landing. Also helped locate strip in low visibility weather > conditions. Thats why they flashed Red and Green. I think the beacon > is still used forr that purpose today. I see one flashing all the time > at Dallas Fort Worth Int Airport. > Thanks, > > Alan > > From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@... > <mailto:bull_gator_1%40yahoo.com>> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:15 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon > > > Hi All, > > I uploaded three photos of a rotary beacon just down the street from > my house. It's nice to know these still exist tucked away at small air > strips. > > You can view the photos here: > > http://tinyurl.com/5vo5van > > BG1 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65178	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon

From: Alan Lambert   Tom, I might be wrong with the true colors, jst what A.C. had on his. From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon   ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Lambert . . . . . . . . . .. I think it was a way to tell the pilots North and South, then they new East and West while they were landing. Also helped locate strip in low visibility weather conditions. Thats why they flashed Red and Green. . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The airport beacons I've most often seen in the USA consist of a rotating head that sends white beam in one direction and a green one in the opposite direction. I don't know how a rotating beacon would help determine north & south, but don't (or didn't) water towers frequently have an arrow on the top pointing north? I've never heard of rotating red & green in the real world, but that wouldn't stop Mr Gilbert from using those colours on his beacons. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerodrome_beacon Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65179	From: Robert Conner	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon

Sorry guys..... Nothing to do with North and South.... The ROTATING BEACON serves to locate and identify the AIRPORT..... Red and Green, ALTERNATING, indicates a Commercial field.... A different pattern, and I have forgotten it Has differenft Flashing Pattern and designates a Military Field.... something like 1 red and 2 white? ....You also had, but not used now Beacons to follow at night to keep you on course..... Now with todays Avainoics only the rotating beacons still exist..... And now all glass panels and just follow the little Airplane and keep it on the line!!!!!!!! Oh the days of Turn & Bank, ALT, AS, Temp, etc..... And yes I flew before they put training wheels on planes (nose wheel)... An old TAIL DRAGGER!!!!!!! Bob Conner Piper cubs to a DC-3 --- On Thu, 6/23/11, Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> wrote: From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011, 1:13 PM   ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Lambert . . . . . . . . . .. I think it was a way to tell the pilots North and South, then they new East and West while they were landing. Also helped locate strip in low visibility weather conditions. Thats why they flashed Red and Green. . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The airport beacons I've most often seen in the USA consist of a rotating head that sends white beam in one direction and a green one in the opposite direction. I don't know how a rotating beacon would help determine north & south, but don't (or didn't) water towers frequently have an arrow on the top pointing north? I've never heard of rotating red & green in the real world, but that wouldn't stop Mr Gilbert from using those colours on his beacons. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerodrome_beacon Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65180	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon

I'm sure the red and green beacons were so Santa Claus can find his way at Christmas time, hee,hee. Jeff M On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> wrote: > ** > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alan Lambert > . . . . . . . . . .. I think it was a way to tell the pilots North and > South, then they new East and West while they were landing. Also helped > locate strip in low visibility weather conditions. Thats why they flashed > Red and Green. . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The airport beacons I've most often seen in the USA consist of a rotating > head that sends white beam in one direction and a green one in the opposite > > direction. I don't know how a rotating beacon would help determine north & > south, but don't (or didn't) water towers frequently have an arrow on the > top pointing north? > > I've never heard of rotating red & green in the real world, but that > wouldn't stop Mr Gilbert from using those colours on his beacons. > > See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerodrome_beacon > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65181	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon

From: Alan Lambert � Lone Star Flyer Club � Arlington, Texas   Robert has it right. I found the answer after I looked it up. � Thanks,� Alan From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon   Sorry guys..... Nothing to do with North and South.... The ROTATING BEACON serves to locate and identify the AIRPORT..... Red and Green, ALTERNATING, indicates a Commercial field.... A different pattern, and I have forgotten it Has differenft Flashing Pattern and designates a Military Field.... something like 1 red and 2 white? ....You also had, but not used now Beacons to follow at night to keep you on course..... Now with todays Avainoics only the rotating beacons still exist..... And now all glass panels and just follow the little Airplane and keep it on the line!!!!!!!! Oh the days of Turn & Bank, ALT, AS, Temp, etc..... And yes I flew before they put training wheels on planes (nose wheel)... An old TAIL DRAGGER!!!!!!! Bob Conner Piper cubs to a DC-3 --- On Thu, 6/23/11, Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> wrote: From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011, 1:13 PM   ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Lambert . . . . . . . . . .. I think it was a way to tell the pilots North and South, then they new East and West while they were landing. Also helped locate strip in low visibility weather conditions. Thats why they flashed Red and Green. . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The airport beacons I've most often seen in the USA consist of a rotating head that sends white beam in one direction and a green one in the opposite direction. I don't know how a rotating beacon would help determine north & south, but don't (or didn't) water towers frequently have an arrow on the top pointing north? I've never heard of rotating red & green in the real world, but that wouldn't stop Mr Gilbert from using those colours on his beacons. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerodrome_beacon Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65182	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 6/23/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon

Hi Carey, This beacon is located at Covey Trails Airport in Fulshear, Texas. It'a about 2 miles from my house. It is a fly-in neighborhood with houses on either side of the runway. I don't know how long it has been there, but it may have been an out-in-the-sticks get away from Houston before Houston expanded westward. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carey Probst <s-scale@...> wrote: > > Where is that located? > > Looks like one not too far from me at Piper Memorial Airport > > Carey > > Carey Probst > > Member, M.I.T. Educational Council > > S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF > > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, > > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. > > > On 6/22/2011 8:15 PM, bull_gator_1 wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > I uploaded three photos of a rotary beacon just down the street from > > my house. It's nice to know these still exist tucked away at small air > > strips. > > > > You can view the photos here: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/5vo5van > > > > BG1 > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65183	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 6/24/2011
Subject: NEW TOUR @ "S"acto

Folks.... Thought you might be interested in this new tour for your time scheduling contemplations. Keep in mind there are so many events at this convention, it will be humanly impossible to participate in all of them. Choices must be made. Sometimes two highly desirable events occur simultaneously. Sorry about that, but careful advance planning on your part will minimize the conflicts. UP's Roseville yard is a large and interesting place. All the trains coming into this yard are re-sorted for destinations to the North (Portland, Seattle, Spokane, Vancouver, etc.) or to the South (Los Angeles, San Diego, etc.) or to the West (Oakland, San Francisco, San Jose, etc.). Lots of train and hump yard activity and lots of engine maintenance facilities to be seen from the bus. Here is the announcement from the horse's mouth: Due to the overwhelming demand for tour P404, we have arranged with the Union Pacific Railroad for a third bus to tour their Roseville Yard. The third bus will depart at 12:30 Wednesday afternoon and is designated tour P444. Due to the imminent closing of the on-line store, tickets for this tour will ONLY BE AVAILABLE AT THE TOUR DESK at the Convention. The tour price is $20. "S"alivating yet?.......Ed L.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65184	From: Brady	Date: 6/24/2011
Subject: Re: WiThrottle

> Dear Brady, > I am sorry you missed our Open House earlier this month. Michael > Greene, Tommy Robichard, and Bill Clark were here and demonstrated > this software using a Lenz set 100 and my iPhone on our display > layout. I was impressed.... > Don Don, That's interesting, glad to hear that it works as advertised. TMCC & Legacy lack a basic utility or road throttle; I wonder if obsolescent/recycled iPhones can be used with WiTHrottle without having phone service?? Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65185	From: Carey Probst	Date: 6/24/2011
Subject: Re: Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon

So Bob, you coming to Lock Haven for Sentimental Journey? Started already at Piper field. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 6/23/2011 4:53 PM, Robert Conner wrote: > > Sorry guys..... Nothing to do with North and South.... The ROTATING > BEACON serves to locate and identify the AIRPORT..... Red and Green, > ALTERNATING, indicates a Commercial field.... A different pattern, and > I have forgotten it Has differenft Flashing Pattern and designates a > Military Field.... something like 1 red and 2 white? ....You also had, > but not used now Beacons to follow at night to keep you on course..... > Now with todays Avainoics only the rotating beacons still exist..... > And now all glass panels and just follow the little Airplane and keep > it on the line!!!!!!!! Oh the days of Turn & Bank, ALT, AS, Temp, > etc..... And yes I flew before they put training wheels on planes > (nose wheel)... > An old TAIL DRAGGER!!!!!!! Bob Conner > Piper cubs to a DC-3 > > --- On Thu, 6/23/11, Tom Hawley <t.hawley@... > <mailto:t.hawley%40comcast.net>> wrote: > > From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@... <mailto:t.hawley%40comcast.net>> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Vintage Full Scale Rotary Beacon > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011, 1:13 PM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alan Lambert > . . . . . . . . . .. I think it was a way to tell the pilots North and > South, then they new East and West while they were landing. Also helped > locate strip in low visibility weather conditions. Thats why they flashed > Red and Green. . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The airport beacons I've most often seen in the USA consist of a rotating > head that sends white beam in one direction and a green one in the > opposite > direction. I don't know how a rotating beacon would help determine > north & > south, but don't (or didn't) water towers frequently have an arrow on the > top pointing north? > > I've never heard of rotating red & green in the real world, but that > wouldn't stop Mr Gilbert from using those colours on his beacons. > > See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerodrome_beacon > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65186	From: R G	Date: 6/24/2011
Subject: Re: C&O Canal (train related)

The C&O canal is beautiful from Great falls to Cumberland and I have been on many parts of it. However this weekend I will be doing a living history cruise on the Liberty Ship John Brown on the bay (not the John Brown of Harpers Ferry fame) and there is a train show at Timonium. ________________________________ From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; s-scale@yahoogroups.com; Steve Conard <steve.conard@...>; John Picur <jppicur@...> Sent: Thu, June 23, 2011 7:49:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] C&O Canal (train related) I just got my latest C&O Canal newsletter and this little story appeared in the newsletter. I am going to type it out. On Jan. 1, 1829, Governor of New York Martin Van Buren wrote this to President Jackson: “The canal system of this country is being threatened by the spread of a new form of transportation known as “railroads”. As you may well know, railroad carriages are pulled at the enormous speed of 15 miles per hour by engines, which, in addition to endangering life and limb of passengers, roar and snort their way through the countryside. the Almighty certainly never intended that people should travel at such a breakneck speed”. Though oft-quoted, the letter I thought by many to be apocryphal. ( not authenticated) ---------------------------------------------------------- The above is sort of silly and funny, as the railroads did over come the canals in the end. Many of you know I am a big fan of the C&O canal, as I have hiked all 184 miles of it in the late 60s with the Boy Scouts and Linda and I bike on it just about every weekend from April to November. The speed limit on the canal for boats was 4 mph, as any faster, the ripples from the boats would damage the clay covered canal beds. I have read that RR employee’s would throw rocks to spook the mules pulling the boats, as the boats carrying goods, mostly coal was competition. I have read a book last year called Railroad Triumph which states that the RRs where coming but due to many canals being built in the early 1800s, there was a need for faster movement of goods and people, so the canals actually got RR design going sooner. The Canal went into bankruptcy in the 1880s as the B&O RR purchased the canal. The Canal closed in 1924. The B&O RR went bankrupt in 1936, as the government got the canal then. It was made into a national park in 1971. I am reading a book written on the C&O Canal, and President Jackson actually cut off all US Government funding for the building of this canal. He saw no need for it. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65187	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 6/25/2011
Subject: magnetic couplers for American flyer tender

Hi. I bought some Gilbert cars with Kadee or other brand of magnetic couplers on ebay. I have an extra Atlantic tender and lots of cabooses so I want to convert one of each to use with the cars. Any suggestions would be welcome. Do I have to mount the tender coupler on the truck or the body? I use regular flyer track and the wider 54" I think. What method of securing the box is best? Are the couplers available on line? Thanks. L.W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65188	From: Thorin	Date: 6/25/2011
Subject: James C. "Jim" Peterson

James C. "Jim" Peterson 3618 N. E. 142nd Ave. Portland, Oregon 97230 In the 1960s and early 1970s my father would received surplus lists from Mr. Peterson. Mr. Peterson was a collector of American Flyer. My father would purchase these trains for me for Christmas, birthday, etc. I was ages 8 to 14. One time I purchased a repainted 336 for $40.00. (Today the 336 has flaking paint because primer was not used and hard play. It STILL needs to be stripped and repainted.) Today I found three of these lists. Does anyone remember Mr. Peterson? Thank you, Thorin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65189	From: Kevin	Date: 6/25/2011
Subject: American Flyer S and HO for sale

Hello group. I hope you don't mind my asking where a good place would be to sell off my collection of Flyer HO. I would like to try it as a whole first. I collected it in the 1960's and 70's as a sideline to my S gauge collection. It's never been out of the storage boxes except to catalogue it in 35 years. I have just a few pieces of S rolling stock left and most of the catalogs from 46 to 66. I collected a lot of stuff and now I have to let it go for the ol' health reasons. I am looking for offers. I will have a list. thanks, AL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65190	From: Greene, Michael	Date: 6/25/2011
Subject: Re: WiThrottle

I don't have easy access to an old iPhone to check. But I can vouch for the fact that WiThrottle runs fine on my iPod Touch 4G that has WiFi only. If fact with a special case I found that provides a lanyard attach point, it provides a really nice throttle. I would expect that as long as the older iPhone has WiFi and you can configure it & access the Internet (e.g., with the Internet browser) in the absence of phone service, I would think it would run fine with WiThrottle. The WiThrottle developer has a web site and responds to questions... Michael At 6/24/2011 09:51 AM, Brady wrote: > > > > Dear Brady, > > I am sorry you missed our Open House earlier this month. Michael > > Greene, Tommy Robichard, and Bill Clark were here and demonstrated > > this software using a Lenz set 100 and my iPhone on our display > > layout. I was impressed.... > > Don > >Don, > >That's interesting, glad to hear that it works as advertised. > >TMCC & Legacy lack a basic utility or road throttle; I wonder if >obsolescent/recycled iPhones can be used with WiTHrottle without >having phone service?? > >Brady Burdge -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Greene Dunstable, MA, USA Member: NMRA(Life), NASG, Bristol S Gaugers, The 470 Railroad Club National Assoc. of S Gaugers http://www.nasg.org DCC Corner http://www.dccinfo.com Pine Canyon Scale Models http://www.pinecanyonscalemodels.com Maine Railroads http://www.mainerailroads.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65191	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/25/2011
Subject: Re: WiThrottle

I find that the application runs on an iPad. Of course, it does not make use of the larger screen. Just like some games, it can be run in the 2x mode. Better use of the larger screen might make it a better fit to demos layouts or good-sized home layouts. It could lead to a lot less switching about to different control pages. Bill On 6/24/2011 11:05 AM, Greene, Michael wrote: > I don't have easy access to an old iPhone to check. But I can vouch > for the fact that WiThrottle runs fine on my iPod Touch 4G that has > WiFi only. If fact with a special case I found that provides a > lanyard attach point, it provides a really nice throttle. I would > expect that as long as the older iPhone has WiFi and you can > configure it& access the Internet (e.g., with the Internet browser) > in the absence of phone service, I would think it would run fine with > WiThrottle. The WiThrottle developer has a web site and responds to > questions... > > Michael -- Bill Porter South Florida

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65192	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 6/25/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer S and HO for sale

I am a member of an all gauge club. If you send me the list, I'll get it out to the club. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2011, at 8:11 AM, "Kevin" <bimorph@...> wrote: Hello group. I hope you don't mind my asking where a good place would be to sell off my collection of Flyer HO. I would like to try it as a whole first. I collected it in the 1960's and 70's as a sideline to my S gauge collection. It's never been out of the storage boxes except to catalogue it in 35 years. I have just a few pieces of S rolling stock left and most of the catalogs from 46 to 66. I collected a lot of stuff and now I have to let it go for the ol' health reasons. I am looking for offers. I will have a list. thanks, AL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65193	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 6/25/2011
Subject: Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson

Hello Thorin, I most certainly do remember Jim. He was one of the few AF guys in the Portland area when I first joined TCA and TTOS years ago. He co-sponsored me on my TCA application and was a big help to me in my early collecting years. I would run into him at many local train shows and club meetings, but in recent years my attendance has become spotty at best. I have not seen him in a while. Jim is listed in the latest TTOS roster, but not at the address you show. Other members of the Portland clubs were closer to Jim and most likely have more recent info on how Jim may be doing these days. Cheers! Alan Bennett ----- Original Message ----- From: Thorin To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 11:53 AM Subject: [S-Trains] James C. "Jim" Peterson James C. "Jim" Peterson 3618 N. E. 142nd Ave. Portland, Oregon 97230 In the 1960s and early 1970s my father would received surplus lists from Mr. Peterson. Mr. Peterson was a collector of American Flyer. My father would purchase these trains for me for Christmas, birthday, etc. I was ages 8 to 14. One time I purchased a repainted 336 for $40.00. (Today the 336 has flaking paint because primer was not used and hard play. It STILL needs to be stripped and repainted.) Today I found three of these lists. Does anyone remember Mr. Peterson? Thank you, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65194	From: Eric	Date: 6/25/2011
Subject: Saturday morning Housecleaning (Warning For Sale items)

I have the following items from my latest layout cleaning. Everything is high rail but I have a few scale wheel sets and can change out if needed: Most anything has an original box, 1. American models CP box car red #2223 $25 2. American models BN hopper black #3451 $30 3. S Helper Burlington Northerrn SW9 switcher DC engine #161 excellent kadees $150 4. S Helper Burlington Northerrn hopper 424723 #00083 excellent kadees $45 5. S Helper Burlington Northerrn hopper 42471 #00012 excellent kadees $45 6. S Helper Burlington Northerrn caboose 10161 #00218 excellent kadees $55 7. S Helper Baby Ruth #00571 excellent new $60 8. American Flyer (by Lionel) great northern flat car with load 6-45550 $40 9. American Flyer (by Lionel) great northern "Electric" style Engine ( EP5?) and Caboose 6-48038 $250 for both. 10 3 Hallmark mineature mototcycles 2x from 2008 and one from 2010. 08 is a harley VRSCA, 10 is a 72 harley. these are about 1 inch long. list at $8 each sell all 3 for $20. 11. Hallmark 1963 thunderbird car , about 4 1/2 inches long, white color, convertible. $8 12. American Flyer (by lionel) box car bases with trucks (2x) and separate trucks (4x) $20 all. Prices do not include shipping. I like to ship USPS. Make me an offer! Paypal works best but I will take a check. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65195	From: Eric	Date: 6/25/2011
Subject: Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson

I used to go to the Portland antique auto swap meet which was held in the Expo center in early April each year. This was a huge meet, one of the biggest on the west coast. (probably still is) In the 70's I would look for Mustang parts and American Flyer trains. Jim always had a table selling trains and some car parts and books. I bought a number of AF engines and books from him. I don't remember anything about him directly except I think he had a train store in Portland. He is still listed in TCA, at least was in 08. The antique auto meets are interesting for trains. There are 3 big ones around Seattle each year. Years ago I would go and sell model cars, books, and some trains. I met many train people there either looking for stuff or selling. A friend used to go along and always find the odd items like tipple cars, or the odd AF load or things like that, where the seller had no idea what it was for. I don't sell there any more but do enjoy going and looking for things. Eric Reis Kenmore, WA. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65196	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 6/25/2011
Subject: Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson

Hello,           In regards to James Peterson, I do remember when I first started actively collecting Flyer I bought a very nice magazine in a hobby shop. It featured articles and layouts/collections of prominent collectors and Jim Peterson was in this book along with a friend of mine. I have the book, however it is stored at my mother's house. I believe the book was called American Flyer Features Check out this link I have provided, and I hope I have helped some one http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0911581057/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&qid=1309042698&sr=1-1&condition=used PS - GREAT BOOK Rich in Cleveland >________________________________ >From: Thorin <lagthor@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 2:53 PM >Subject: [S-Trains] James C. "Jim" Peterson > > >  >James C. "Jim" Peterson >3618 N. E. 142nd Ave. >Portland, Oregon 97230 > >In the 1960s and early 1970s my father would received surplus lists from Mr. Peterson. Mr. Peterson was a collector of American Flyer. My father would purchase these trains for me for Christmas, birthday, etc. I was ages 8 to 14. One time I purchased a repainted 336 for $40.00. (Today the 336 has flaking paint because primer was not used and hard play. It STILL needs to be stripped and repainted.) > >Today I found three of these lists. > >Does anyone remember Mr. Peterson? > >Thank you, >Thorin > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65197	From: Bruce	Date: 6/26/2011
Subject: Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson

Thorin, I've known Jim for over 30 years. He was one of my sponsors into the TCA back in '81, along with Dan Olson. I moved to Portland in 1980 and met Jim at a train meet in Vancouver. I had set up a little table for the meet with duplicates I was selling from my collection and Jim came up, introduced himself and bought a 919 CB&Q dump car from me, in like new condition, for my price of $25 at the time. We struck up a friendship and I would visit his home on weekends, just to talk trains, enjoy his immense S gauge collection (which took up his entire attic), and I would usually buy something I didn't have. He had just about everything Gilbert made, with an "extras" room where he would sell off duplicate items to finance his hobby. Back then, there was no Portland Chapter of the TCA, just the Northwest Division, so meets were held mostly in Centralia, WA (half way between Portland and Seattle), with meets alternating on occasion in either Portland or Seattle. This is back when Dan Olson still attended TCA meets, Ron Leventon (who bought Dan Olson's train business in the mid 70's) would show up now and then, and the late Allison Cox would be there with some goodies as well. It was a friendly group and we had some real characters back then. Jim and I attended a good number of TCA meets in those days. You've got to remember that, back then, the only way to buy trains was at TCA meets, local train meets, or hobby shops that sold used AF. Ebay and the internet didn't exist. Just guys getting together to talk and swap trains. One of my prized possessions is a 639 Cream Reefer in excellent condition that Jim just "gave" me on one of my visits. When he handed it to me, the glint in his eyes gave away his delight in giving that car to me. He didn't have to do that, but that was Jim. Jim wrote a number of articles for the American Flyer Collector's Club (now defunct). One of those was an article on the different variations of the 730 bumper (there were at least 6 variations, other than the red bumper). I still have the copy he gave me of the original submission for the article. He also assisted Bruce Greenberg in compiling the first edition of the extensive book "Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer", concerning the many variations of AF cabooses and he was called on by Bruce to authenticate numerous odd ball variations. He was large in the hobby back then and was (and still is) considered an expert in the field of American Flyer S Gauge. Jim retired in the early 90's, sold off most of his S gauge collection, but retained his AF O gauge, and purchased Whistle Stop Trains, a train shop located on Stark Street in Portland at the time. He was in "heaven", doing what he loved best. A few years later, he sold the store and retired for good. Whistle Stop Trains moved to a new location shortly thereafter, near 122nd and Division in Portland. Jim had an outdoor LGB G scale railroad for awhile, but returned to picking up S gauge again, although not to the degree he had before. I've kept touch with Jim, on and off, but have not talked to him in about 6 months. He said at the time that he was doing well. This thread reminded me that I'll need to give him a call soon, just to check up on him. Bruce DeGailler, Sr. TCA 81-16572 From: Thorin Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 11:53 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] James C. "Jim" Peterson James C. "Jim" Peterson 3618 N. E. 142nd Ave. Portland, Oregon 97230 In the 1960s and early 1970s my father would received surplus lists from Mr. Peterson. Mr. Peterson was a collector of American Flyer. My father would purchase these trains for me for Christmas, birthday, etc. I was ages 8 to 14. One time I purchased a repainted 336 for $40.00. (Today the 336 has flaking paint because primer was not used and hard play. It STILL needs to be stripped and repainted.) Today I found three of these lists. Does anyone remember Mr. Peterson? Thank you, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65198	From: rapidrail1	Date: 6/26/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer S and HO for sale

You should try the "AvailableSgauge" yahoo group. This is a place you can sell trains and not have to pay ebay or paypal. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" <bimorph@...> wrote: > > Hello group. I hope you don't mind my asking where a good place would be to sell off my collection of Flyer HO. I would like to try it as a whole first. I collected it in the 1960's and 70's as a sideline to my S gauge collection. It's never been out of the storage boxes except to catalogue it in 35 years. I have just a few pieces of S rolling stock left and most of the catalogs from 46 to 66. > > I collected a lot of stuff and now I have to let it go for the ol' health reasons. I am looking for offers. I will have a list. thanks, AL >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65199	From: Herbert	Date: 6/26/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer S and HO for sale

You might also try the gilberthotrains group here on yahoo groups. Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@...> wrote: > > You should try the "AvailableSgauge" yahoo group. This is a place you can sell trains and not have to pay ebay or paypal. > > Wayne > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" <bimorph@> wrote: > > > > Hello group. I hope you don't mind my asking where a good place would be to sell off my collection of Flyer HO. I would like to try it as a whole first. I collected it in the 1960's and 70's as a sideline to my S gauge collection. It's never been out of the storage boxes except to catalogue it in 35 years. I have just a few pieces of S rolling stock left and most of the catalogs from 46 to 66. > > > > I collected a lot of stuff and now I have to let it go for the ol' health reasons. I am looking for offers. I will have a list. thanks, AL > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65200	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/26/2011
Subject: train video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYGwaaZ4VqQ My first train video while biking on the C&O canal, as we have lunch at Landers Lock House, with the tracks right behind us. I heard the train coming and went to a position. Yes, I know there are some twigs in it, did not realize it until after I was shooting. At the end of the train is more engines, as he toots his horn. I scan the canal area. The lockhouse was built in 1832, as Landers is about a mile north of Point of Rocks. The train, a long one is full of coal. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65201	From: Joseph H	Date: 6/26/2011
Subject: Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson

I remember Jim Patterson very well. When I got back into my AF trains back in the mid-70s and joined TCA, he along with Dan Olden and Mike Koloseus were the most prominent S gaugers. I even remember going to his house and purchasing my first Franklin set (boxed) from him. Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Thorin" <lagthor@...> wrote: > > James C. "Jim" Peterson > 3618 N. E. 142nd Ave. > Portland, Oregon 97230 > > In the 1960s and early 1970s my father would received surplus lists from Mr. Peterson. Mr. Peterson was a collector of American Flyer. My father would purchase these trains for me for Christmas, birthday, etc. I was ages 8 to 14. One time I purchased a repainted 336 for $40.00. (Today the 336 has flaking paint because primer was not used and hard play. It STILL needs to be stripped and repainted.) > > Today I found three of these lists. > > Does anyone remember Mr. Peterson? > > Thank you, > Thorin >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65202	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 6/26/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 6/26/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday June 26, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65203	From: portlines	Date: 6/26/2011
Subject: NASG-Sacramento Swap Meet

For those of you who will be attending the Sacramento NASG-NMRA conventions, we will be set up in the NASG Swap Meet on Thursday, July 7th, with a display table of some of our exclusive products and other newer and popular items. We will be selling nothing on site, primarily due to the hassle and cost of shipping product across country and back again. However, we will accept orders during the Swap Meet for anything in our display, as well as anything from our website. Just submit your order (we'll have order forms there, or bring your own list) along with credit-card information. If your order totals $30 or more, we will ship it to you upon our return with no tax, and no shipping charge! Saves you money....saves us a hassle....and you don't have to carry your items home with you from the convention ! Such a deal! So take a look at the various pages on our website to see all that we carry, and what interests you! Hope to see many of you in Sacramento. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 www.portlines.com Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65204	From: Bruce	Date: 6/26/2011
Subject: Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson

Actually, it's Jim "Peterson" and Dan "Olson". Bruce From: Joseph H Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 8:26 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson I remember Jim Patterson very well. When I got back into my AF trains back in the mid-70s and joined TCA, he along with Dan Olden and Mike Koloseus were the most prominent S gaugers. I even remember going to his house and purchasing my first Franklin set (boxed) from him. Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Thorin" <lagthor@...> wrote: > > James C. "Jim" Peterson > 3618 N. E. 142nd Ave. > Portland, Oregon 97230 > > In the 1960s and early 1970s my father would received surplus lists from Mr. Peterson. Mr. Peterson was a collector of American Flyer. My father would purchase these trains for me for Christmas, birthday, etc. I was ages 8 to 14. One time I purchased a repainted 336 for $40.00. (Today the 336 has flaking paint because primer was not used and hard play. It STILL needs to be stripped and repainted.) > > Today I found three of these lists. > > Does anyone remember Mr. Peterson? > > Thank you, > Thorin > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65205	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 6/26/2011
Subject: Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson

I am confused!!!.   I used to live in the NW (Seattle area) and attended many meets in the Seattle and Portland area.  I knew of Jim Patterson.  Is the Portland area Jim Patterson the same James C Patterson that is shown and credited on the back of the Greenberg,s Guide to American Flyer (1988)???  It mentions that he attended meets in the Atlantic area and worked for the National Park Service and worked in Washington  D C   Just wondering   Al Paolozzi    amflyral@.... --- On Sun, 6/26/11, Joseph H <joestrainrepair@...> wrote: From: Joseph H <joestrainrepair@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 26, 2011, 8:26 AM   I remember Jim Patterson very well. When I got back into my AF trains back in the mid-70s and joined TCA, he along with Dan Olden and Mike Koloseus were the most prominent S gaugers. I even remember going to his house and purchasing my first Franklin set (boxed) from him. Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Thorin" <lagthor@...> wrote: > > James C. "Jim" Peterson > 3618 N. E. 142nd Ave. > Portland, Oregon 97230 > > In the 1960s and early 1970s my father would received surplus lists from Mr. Peterson. Mr. Peterson was a collector of American Flyer. My father would purchase these trains for me for Christmas, birthday, etc. I was ages 8 to 14. One time I purchased a repainted 336 for $40.00. (Today the 336 has flaking paint because primer was not used and hard play. It STILL needs to be stripped and repainted.) > > Today I found three of these lists. > > Does anyone remember Mr. Peterson? > > Thank you, > Thorin > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65206	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 6/26/2011
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} train video

\hi Mike: Yes, it was a long coal train. Interesting - in the opening minute or less, there was something hanging from the light pole on the left side of the screen that was out of focus. Are you 'catching' ghosts? Seems strange that everything in front of and behind this long vertical area was in focus; just that one vertical bit was out of focus - and as you panned the camera more to the train, the area stayed out of focus, so it wasn't some humidity on the lens, etc. Anybody have any ideas? Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 6/26/2011 5:04 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYGwaaZ4VqQ > > My first train video while biking on the C&O canal, as we have lunch > at Landers Lock House, with the tracks right behind us. > > I heard the train coming and went to a position. Yes, I know there are > some twigs in it, did not realize it until after I was shooting. > > At the end of the train is more engines, as he toots his horn. I scan > the canal area. > > The lockhouse was built in 1832, as Landers is about a mile north of > Point of Rocks. > > The train, a long one is full of coal. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65207	From: jtkeating	Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: Large Amount of AF S Gauge Track and Roadbed for Sale

Hello List Members; Please view my listing on Available S Gauge for the makings of A Transcontinental AF S Gauge Empire. Please contact me off-list and Thank You in advance for your consideration. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65208	From: Bruce	Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson

Al, Wrong man. Again, the man in Portland, Oregon is Jim Peterson, full name James C. Peterson. I don't know who Jim Patterson is. If you are a member of the TCA, just check the last annual membership book, published in 2009. TCA discontinued printing of the annual membership book. Jim Peterson never attended meets in the Atlantic area and he never worked for the National Park Service. He was a welder by trade and worked in Portland, Oregon. Bruce DeGailler, Sr. TCA 81-16572 From: albert paolozzi Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 10:53 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson I am confused!!!. I used to live in the NW (Seattle area) and attended many meets in the Seattle and Portland area. I knew of Jim Patterson. Is the Portland area Jim Patterson the same James C Patterson that is shown and credited on the back of the Greenberg,s Guide to American Flyer (1988)??? It mentions that he attended meets in the Atlantic area and worked for the National Park Service and worked in Washington D C Just wondering Al Paolozzi amflyral@.... --- On Sun, 6/26/11, Joseph H <joestrainrepair@...> wrote: From: Joseph H <joestrainrepair@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 26, 2011, 8:26 AM I remember Jim Patterson very well. When I got back into my AF trains back in the mid-70s and joined TCA, he along with Dan Olden and Mike Koloseus were the most prominent S gaugers. I even remember going to his house and purchasing my first Franklin set (boxed) from him. Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Thorin" <lagthor@...> wrote: > > James C. "Jim" Peterson > 3618 N. E. 142nd Ave. > Portland, Oregon 97230 > > In the 1960s and early 1970s my father would received surplus lists from Mr. Peterson. Mr. Peterson was a collector of American Flyer. My father would purchase these trains for me for Christmas, birthday, etc. I was ages 8 to 14. One time I purchased a repainted 336 for $40.00. (Today the 336 has flaking paint because primer was not used and hard play. It STILL needs to be stripped and repainted.) > > Today I found three of these lists. > > Does anyone remember Mr. Peterson? > > Thank you, > Thorin > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65209	From: Roy Inman	Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: Re: Drive In Movie

It was the Norfolk & Western. IF you can find a print, it will be priced around $20,000. The jet in the photo was double-printed in the darkroom. The convertible in the foreground was his, one of the few straight stick 1952 Buick convertibles. www.soulcatcherstudio.com/artists/link_bio.html.webloc. Roy From: Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:08:29 -0600 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Drive In Movie O. Winston Link took what is now a classic black and white photo of an L&N train pulled by steam passing a drive-in theater To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> From: wpporter@... <mailto:wpporter%40duckburg.us> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:11:30 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] Drive In Movie Hi Folks, I recall those things with much fondness. I don't recall sneaking in with my girlfriend. I suspect that once we got into the trunk, the getting out part would have become more challenging. I did post a photo of a screen with some nice, older cars in front. Look in the last photo album "ZOT Photos" for the black and white image from a Life magazine. I am struck with the angular size of the screen. From most parking spots, it would be smaller than modern TV pictures. I also note the smallness of the car windows. There would be little need for deep tinting to provide privacy for uninterrupted viewing pleasure. I'll keep looking for a projection and concession building. Bill -- Bill Porter South Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65210	From: Bill Lane	Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: LCL Container project update

Before some of you wander to the left coast and spend all your money, I thought I would give a brief update on my container project. I got some samples 2 weeks ago. http://www.lanestrains.com/Lanes_Trains_Container.jpg They were good but not 100% of what I wanted. Note that the lifting hooks are mostly complete - a key detail for this item. Those issues have been addressed and are being corrected. I will hopefully get some new samples this week and call production a go. Current ETA for them is August. I don't expect that to slip much from here on out. If that holds true, delivery will be made in about 90 days from the project announcement. Hopefully you will like and get used to getting your items in a timely manner. If you have been contemplating on getting containers but have not committed yet, this would be a very good time to reply. The unsold containers I am ordering are the ones I am keeping for me. In short - I am not ordering ANY extra containers to "stock". Please reply directly to bill@... ASAP with questions or your order. Thank You, Bill Lane Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988 See my finished models at: <http://www.lanestrains.com/> http://www.lanestrains.com Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! Custom Train Parts Design <http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm> http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred) <http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls> http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls ***Join the PRR T&HS*** The other members are not ALL like me! <http://www.prrths.com/> http://www.prrths.com <http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf> http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to join! <http://www.prslhs.com/> http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65211	From: R G	Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: Re: magnetic couplers for American flyer tender

I have done some conversion of American Flyer cars to Kadee couplers . All couplers can be mounted to the car or tender and not on the truck. You would have to place shims between the coupler and the bottem of the car or tender to achieve the correct height. S. Helper and American Models cars are already made to accept Kadee or S-Helper scale couplers and they are all body mounted. These cars will operate on original Flyer 20" radius track. Passenger cars and deisels require truck mounted couplers due to their lenght. ________________________________ From: boxcar4willhe <wlon17@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, June 25, 2011 12:22:06 AM Subject: [S-Trains] magnetic couplers for American flyer tender Hi. I bought some Gilbert cars with Kadee or other brand of magnetic couplers on ebay. I have an extra Atlantic tender and lots of cabooses so I want to convert one of each to use with the cars. Any suggestions would be welcome. Do I have to mount the tender coupler on the truck or the body? I use regular flyer track and the wider 54" I think. What method of securing the box is best? Are the couplers available on line? Thanks. L.W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65212	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson

Thank you for clearing that up for me.  Al --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Bruce <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 12:55 AM   Al, Wrong man. Again, the man in Portland, Oregon is Jim Peterson, full name James C. Peterson. I don't know who Jim Patterson is. If you are a member of the TCA, just check the last annual membership book, published in 2009. TCA discontinued printing of the annual membership book. Jim Peterson never attended meets in the Atlantic area and he never worked for the National Park Service. He was a welder by trade and worked in Portland, Oregon. Bruce DeGailler, Sr. TCA 81-16572 From: albert paolozzi Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 10:53 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson I am confused!!!. I used to live in the NW (Seattle area) and attended many meets in the Seattle and Portland area. I knew of Jim Patterson. Is the Portland area Jim Patterson the same James C Patterson that is shown and credited on the back of the Greenberg,s Guide to American Flyer (1988)??? It mentions that he attended meets in the Atlantic area and worked for the National Park Service and worked in Washington D C Just wondering Al Paolozzi amflyral@.... --- On Sun, 6/26/11, Joseph H <joestrainrepair@...> wrote: From: Joseph H <joestrainrepair@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 26, 2011, 8:26 AM I remember Jim Patterson very well. When I got back into my AF trains back in the mid-70s and joined TCA, he along with Dan Olden and Mike Koloseus were the most prominent S gaugers. I even remember going to his house and purchasing my first Franklin set (boxed) from him. Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Thorin" <lagthor@...> wrote: > > James C. "Jim" Peterson > 3618 N. E. 142nd Ave. > Portland, Oregon 97230 > > In the 1960s and early 1970s my father would received surplus lists from Mr. Peterson. Mr. Peterson was a collector of American Flyer. My father would purchase these trains for me for Christmas, birthday, etc. I was ages 8 to 14. One time I purchased a repainted 336 for $40.00. (Today the 336 has flaking paint because primer was not used and hard play. It STILL needs to be stripped and repainted.) > > Today I found three of these lists. > > Does anyone remember Mr. Peterson? > > Thank you, > Thorin > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65213	From: Bruce	Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson

You're welcome. Glad I could help. Bruce From: albert paolozzi Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 8:36 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson Thank you for clearing that up for me. Al --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Bruce <goatfarm@...> wrote: From: Bruce <goatfarm@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 12:55 AM Al, Wrong man. Again, the man in Portland, Oregon is Jim Peterson, full name James C. Peterson. I don't know who Jim Patterson is. If you are a member of the TCA, just check the last annual membership book, published in 2009. TCA discontinued printing of the annual membership book. Jim Peterson never attended meets in the Atlantic area and he never worked for the National Park Service. He was a welder by trade and worked in Portland, Oregon. Bruce DeGailler, Sr. TCA 81-16572 From: albert paolozzi Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 10:53 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson I am confused!!!. I used to live in the NW (Seattle area) and attended many meets in the Seattle and Portland area. I knew of Jim Patterson. Is the Portland area Jim Patterson the same James C Patterson that is shown and credited on the back of the Greenberg,s Guide to American Flyer (1988)??? It mentions that he attended meets in the Atlantic area and worked for the National Park Service and worked in Washington D C Just wondering Al Paolozzi amflyral@.... --- On Sun, 6/26/11, Joseph H <joestrainrepair@...> wrote: From: Joseph H <joestrainrepair@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: James C. "Jim" Peterson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 26, 2011, 8:26 AM I remember Jim Patterson very well. When I got back into my AF trains back in the mid-70s and joined TCA, he along with Dan Olden and Mike Koloseus were the most prominent S gaugers. I even remember going to his house and purchasing my first Franklin set (boxed) from him. Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Thorin" <lagthor@...> wrote: > > James C. "Jim" Peterson > 3618 N. E. 142nd Ave. > Portland, Oregon 97230 > > In the 1960s and early 1970s my father would received surplus lists from Mr. Peterson. Mr. Peterson was a collector of American Flyer. My father would purchase these trains for me for Christmas, birthday, etc. I was ages 8 to 14. One time I purchased a repainted 336 for $40.00. (Today the 336 has flaking paint because primer was not used and hard play. It STILL needs to be stripped and repainted.) > > Today I found three of these lists. > > Does anyone remember Mr. Peterson? > > Thank you, > Thorin > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65214	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: Re: Drive In Movie

I just watched the movie October Sky about Homer Hickam and the Rocket Boys from Coalwood W Va.  O Winston Link makes a cameo appearance as a locomotive engineer.   Bob From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Drive In Movie   It was the Norfolk & Western. IF you can find a print, it will be priced around $20,000. The jet in the photo was double-printed in the darkroom. The convertible in the foreground was his, one of the few straight stick 1952 Buick convertibles. www.soulcatcherstudio.com/artists/link_bio.html.webloc. Roy From: Robert Lampe <danceswithwolves49@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:08:29 -0600 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Drive In Movie O. Winston Link took what is now a classic black and white photo of an L&N train pulled by steam passing a drive-in theater To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> From: wpporter@... <mailto:wpporter%40duckburg.us> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:11:30 -0400 Subject: [S-Trains] Drive In Movie Hi Folks, I recall those things with much fondness. I don't recall sneaking in with my girlfriend. I suspect that once we got into the trunk, the getting out part would have become more challenging. I did post a photo of a screen with some nice, older cars in front. Look in the last photo album "ZOT Photos" for the black and white image from a Life magazine. I am struck with the angular size of the screen. From most parking spots, it would be smaller than modern TV pictures. I also note the smallness of the car windows. There would be little need for deep tinting to provide privacy for uninterrupted viewing pleasure. I'll keep looking for a projection and concession building. Bill -- Bill Porter South Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65215	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: Only from "S"illy Cone Valley

Gents..Here is the latest form of communication exuding out of the NMRA/NASG "S"acto convention which is due to begin less than one week from today. With engineers on every street corner, would you have expected anything less? Nope! Wouldn't to disappoint you. Have fun with this. Ed Loizeaux We now have a free smart phone app available which provides a clinic schedule, facility maps, the ability to make daily calendars of the clinics you want to attend, and even set alarms to make sure you don't miss any clinics. (It also works with iPads although the screen image is the same as on a smart phone.) For Apple products, use the iTunes Apps Store and search for "Guidebook".the icon is a lower case g on a blue background. After downloading the app to your device, launch it and touch "Download Guide", followed by "Redeem Code". The code for the main convention is: Ysxfjt8d (the first letter only is capital) The code for the Advance Section (which should be available on Wednesday) is: pJwYA7vM (J, Y A and M are capital) For other phones, get the app by going to the following website and following the directions: <http://guidebookapp.com/getit/> http://guidebookapp.com/getit/ Once you've loaded the app, launch it, and "Download Guide", followed by "Redeem Code". The codes are listed above. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65216	From: jshannon148	Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: paint or plastic?

Is there an easy and non-destructive way to determine if an old AF boxcar is painted red or is red plastic? The round tabs from the shell that stick through the base are red, but it is fastened with rivets at the four corners. Thanks as always, John - Pittsburgh

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65217	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: Conway RR

Okay, got my tickets today for Sept. 29, leave 11 am and arrive back at 4:30 PM on the Conway Scenic RR. We got Dome seats with a 3 course lunch at 1:30 pm. Full reports sometime after October 17th. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65218	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: Club needs trailer parking space at X2011

In the middle of our club meeting and discovered that no one ever contacted you about that. We will have a 6' X 12' U-Haul trailer arriving Wednesday mid to late afternoon. We will need to store it until we leave on Monday morning. Can you get us a secure storage location? We appreciate your help! Bob Graves, Treasurer/Webmaster [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65219	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: Club needs Trailer parking space at X2011

In the middle of our club meeting we discovered that noone had made any arrangements for the trailer we're using to bring our modular layout up to X2011. We will have a 6' X 12' U-Haul trailer arriving Wednesday mid to late afternoon. We will need to store it until we leave on Monday morning. Can anyone get us a secure storage location? We appreciate your help! Bob Graves, Treasurer/Webmaster [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65220	From: Gale Hall	Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: Re: paint or plastic?

Sure look at the detail, the colored plastic will for the most part will have a shine to it...the paint a flat color look...if the doors open look inside paint will be over a cream or black plastic...old car probably a cream color plastic. gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: jshannon148 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 5:05 PM Subject: [S-Trains] paint or plastic? Is there an easy and non-destructive way to determine if an old AF boxcar is painted red or is red plastic? The round tabs from the shell that stick through the base are red, but it is fastened with rivets at the four corners. Thanks as always, John - Pittsburgh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65221	From: pdpfpd	Date: 6/28/2011
Subject: AF 300 possible type II

Hey grtoup, I found two AF 300 engines, one is a type II not sure about the other. They were marked $58.00 a piece. They appeared to be in good shape, does this seem like a good price or are they over priced? Thanks Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65222	From: R G	Date: 6/28/2011
Subject: Re: AF 300 possible type II

$58.00 isn't too bad a price for a 300 with the early four piece boiler. It really is all about condition. Last fall I pick up a 302 four piece with smoke in the boiler for $45 but some prior owner had did a poor repaint on it so it was a restoration candidate. If it is a later style one piece boiler either die cast or plastic than $58 is a little on the high side. Again it is all about condition. ________________________________ From: pdpfpd <pdpfpd@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, June 28, 2011 11:51:21 AM Subject: [S-Trains] AF 300 possible type II Hey grtoup, I found two AF 300 engines, one is a type II not sure about the other. They were marked $58.00 a piece. They appeared to be in good shape, does this seem like a good price or are they over priced? Thanks Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65223	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 6/28/2011
Subject: Re: AF 300 possible type II

I have seen these lately in the Cleveland Area for about $ 45- 60 So I would say you are in the range by Cleveland prices >________________________________ >From: pdpfpd <pdpfpd@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 11:51 AM >Subject: [S-Trains] AF 300 possible type II > > >  >Hey grtoup, I found two AF 300 engines, one is a type II not sure about the other. They were marked $58.00 a piece. They appeared to be in good shape, does this seem like a good price or are they over priced? >Thanks >Mike > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65224	From: Jeff Faust	Date: 6/28/2011
Subject: Sibley Layout Diagram

I have just posted the Sibley layout diagram, as published in the May 1998 issue of Classic Toy Trains, to "Jeff Faust's pictures" in the photos section. I know it's already out there on the Web, but it's scanned off the magazine page, and on the fuzzy side. What I've posted is freshly rasterized from my original artwork. I also made a few minor enhancements that modern-day graphics software permits me to do, and corrected a minor scaling error that crept in during publishing. For those of you who don't happen to have the back issue containing this diagram, I hope you'll take the opportunity to study the amazing work of the A. C. Gilbert layout builders.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65225	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 6/29/2011
Subject: Sibley Layout Design

Despite the complex look, it is really a simple combination of figure eight and a folded "dog bone" track plan. This allows continuous two train movement and reliable operation while appearing to be an intricate layout. Impressive and practical for a display. Well done. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65226	From: jshannon148	Date: 6/29/2011
Subject: Re: Sibley Layout Design

Amazingly, it appears to be three independent trains/loops in a fairly compact space. Is there an accompanying description of the buildings/operating accessories that appear to be scattered along the trackside? Thanks, John - Pittsburgh --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Despite the complex look, it is really a simple combination of figure eight and a folded "dog bone" track plan. This allows continuous two train movement and reliable operation while appearing to be an intricate layout. Impressive and practical for a display. Well done. > Stumpy in Appalachia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65227	From: John Degnan	Date: 6/29/2011
Subject: American Models 46' Flat Car UNDERSIDE

For those of you who have one (of more) of American Models' 46' flat car models... as seen here : http://www.americanmodels.com/rolling.stock/46.foot.flat.html... I'm wondering if I could get you to take a photo or two of the UNDERSIDE of this model so I can determine if the model can be modified to suit a need I have. First of all, I need to know if the model has a separate underframe or if it is molded to the body. Secondly, I need to determine if it could be easily cut down to make a 40' car. I could also use some good close-up shots of the ends of this model. Thanks in advance. John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65228	From: Robert Graves	Date: 6/30/2011
Subject: New San Diego S-Gaugers video on YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4SQHGxnf14&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65229	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 6/30/2011
Subject: d&rgw

Has anyone received their order of the 3 car D&RGW passenger cars? Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65230	From: jshannon148	Date: 6/30/2011
Subject: Re: paint or plastic?

Gale, thanks for the help. The car is a red 642 AF Boxcar, so the doors do not open. The surface is shiny. The Bubeck TM Book says a 642 in red unpainted plastic is rare. How rare are they and what are the chances that my father just happened to buy this in the early 1950's. Can anyone guess at a value, since the book does not give one? Thanks, John-Pittsburgh --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gale Hall" <frisco91@...> wrote: > > Sure look at the detail, the colored plastic will for the most part will have a shine to it...the paint a flat color look...if the doors open look inside paint will be over a cream or black plastic...old car probably a cream color plastic. > > gale hall > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jshannon148 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 5:05 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] paint or plastic? > > > > Is there an easy and non-destructive way to determine if an old AF boxcar is painted red or is red plastic? The round tabs from the shell that stick through the base are red, but it is fastened with rivets at the four corners. > > Thanks as always, > John - Pittsburgh > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65231	From: Jeff Faust	Date: 6/30/2011
Subject: Re: Sibley Layout Design

Here's the captioned version: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1015278186/pic/590586852/view?picmode=large&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc (Thanks for reminding me that I did actually do callouts for this drawing, even though they didn't make it into the published version.) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "jshannon148" <jshannon148@...> wrote: > > Amazingly, it appears to be three independent trains/loops in a fairly compact space. Is there an accompanying description of the buildings/operating accessories that appear to be scattered along the trackside? > > Thanks, John - Pittsburgh > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@> wrote: > > > > Despite the complex look, it is really a simple combination of figure eight and a folded "dog bone" track plan. This allows continuous two train movement and reliable operation while appearing to be an intricate layout. Impressive and practical for a display. Well done. > > Stumpy in Appalachia > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65232	From: Bill Drake	Date: 6/30/2011
Subject: Re: paint or plastic?

John -   If you look around the inside edges of the shell below the frame, a painted car will have some thin spots or shading in the coloring. However, I have seen red paint over red plastic and that result doesn't show well.   It gets a litle picky but if you have another boxcar or reefer that definitely isn't painted, look closely at the rivet detail comparing the two. A painted shell will have more rounded rivets compared to an unpainted shell.   Bill Drake   Steamy in St. Louis From: jshannon148 <jshannon148@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: paint or plastic?   Gale, thanks for the help. The car is a red 642 AF Boxcar, so the doors do not open. The surface is shiny. The Bubeck TM Book says a 642 in red unpainted plastic is rare. How rare are they and what are the chances that my father just happened to buy this in the early 1950's. Can anyone guess at a value, since the book does not give one? Thanks, John-Pittsburgh --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gale Hall" <frisco91@...> wrote: > > Sure look at the detail, the colored plastic will for the most part will have a shine to it...the paint a flat color look...if the doors open look inside paint will be over a cream or black plastic...old car probably a cream color plastic. > > gale hall > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jshannon148 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 5:05 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] paint or plastic? > > > > Is there an easy and non-destructive way to determine if an old AF boxcar is painted red or is red plastic? The round tabs from the shell that stick through the base are red, but it is fastened with rivets at the four corners. > > Thanks as always, > John - Pittsburgh > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65233	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 6/30/2011
Subject: Paper Adhesive On Franklin Tender

Attempting to remove the paper decoration on the sides of a Franklin tender.... Tried soaking it for a couple days in water with a bit of Pine Sol added. That didn't do the trick. The adhesive must be really good stuff. Will Goo Gone or something similar work or should I not use that on the shell? Thanks... Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65234	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/30/2011
Subject: Re: PAINT OR PLASTIC

T&M Vol #1 lists it as #5 very rare.....T&M Vol #2 Lists it as 1+ $25... Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65235	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 6/30/2011
Subject: "S"acto Welcoming Gathering

S Gents...Looks like the Welcoming Gathering is going to be very popular. Could it be the guest speaker? Could it be all of us socializing with each other? Could it be the strawberry shortcake? Could it be all of the above? Darned if I know, but feel free to buy a ticket if you want to attend. We can always move to a still larger room if needed. See you soon. Ed Loizeaux * Wednesday, June 29, 2011 S Scale Welcoming Gathering Moved! The S Scale Welcoming Gathering, Wednesday 8:00 - 11:30 PM, has outgrown the Falor Room and will now be held in the Tofanelli Room at the Sheraton. For more information about the event, see the "NASG S Scale Activities <http://www.x2011west.org/nasg.html#welcome> " page. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65236	From: Louis	Date: 7/1/2011
Subject: Corrugated Paper Wrap

I'm curious if anyone has a list of the different widths of corrugated paper wrap that Gilbert used to protect engines and specialty rolling stock. It would be greatly appreciated if you could post the information. Thanks, Lou Baldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65237	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 7/1/2011
Subject: Re: Paper Adhesive On Franklin Tender

Don't know of a good suggestion, Gene. I ended up ruining one by using a too-abrasive pad on it. DON'T try that! Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Cimino" <ecphora123@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 8:01:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Paper Adhesive On Franklin Tender Attempting to remove the paper decoration on the sides of a Franklin tender.... Tried soaking it for a couple days in water with a bit of Pine Sol added. That didn't do the trick. The adhesive must be really good stuff. Will Goo Gone or something similar work or should I not use that on the shell? Thanks... Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65238	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/1/2011
Subject: Re: d&rgw

No, last time I looked the scheduled ship date was December 2011. --- On Thu, 6/30/11, Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> wrote: From: Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> Subject: [S-Trains] d&rgw To: "s-trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011, 8:50 AM   Has anyone received their order of the 3 car D&RGW passenger cars? Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65239	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/1/2011
Subject: Re: CANADA DAY!!! in the town of D&K RR

From: John Picur Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 1:25 PM To: Michael & Linda Marmer Subject: Re: CANADA DAY!!! Sounds like a grand time will be had by all. I hope the D&K RR will operate some Canadian equipment as part of the celebration. I look forward to any photos. Today is Canada's 144th birthday. I hope there is a 144-year-old on a float (root beer is my preference) in the parade. If he/she has eaten enough Vachons, the preservatives will have kept them alive that long. Thank you for your birthday wishes. Like best friends, our countries may not always agree, but we cover each other's back when the going gets tough. regards ... pqr John, Oh it is, they just dumped Hugo with a huge bucket of Gatorade, you know the stuff made by the U of FL! red color to start the day’s activities. You know as in the color of the Maple Leaf on your flag. You mean tractors and whaling ships for operating equipment? You bet, the Whaling ship just took a plunge in the SHS Field Baseball swimming pool and scared the hell out of the cat on the diving board, as they just pulled out the largest whale you have ever seen! But they decided they had enough Canadian Cod Liver Oil at the local A&P in town and they set the whale free. I think his name was Willy or something like that. They farm tractors on parade from Saskatchewan, made a left turn off RR ave into Truck Depot Way and is proceeding to take out the corn field with Mosquito looking for a HR ball hits by Matt Stairs, as he is from Canada and was just sent down from the Nationals to the Pinheads due to his .093 batting average. Mosquito, the shortstop is looking for the ball to give to him, since he never hit one in DC. Yes, the Vachons are being tossed out of the action DCC operating box cars, as they are really flying everywhere, too much power maybe, but Smithy the thrower is having a grand time thing to hit the milk bottle at the stadium. I think he is not a fan of Hugo so the Citgo sign is free game too, What a Chocolate mess on that Citgo sign. Tonight at the Branford Diner, where Ladies get booths, and they have AC, there will be a Lobster Roll eating contest with Canadian Lobster trucked in for the festivities. Usually the late Don Brimmer TCA member custom made Mike and Linda Lobster Truck Bar Harbor Maine supplies the lobsters, but they said okay, since Canada and the US have no real issues to fight about, not like the time you guys stole trees for lumber in 1844 from Maine and the US Government told Maine you handle it. Reason for all the forts along the border. The only casualty was a pig wondering over the border from Canada. I hear the two countries had a great pig roast with him once a Treaty Of Lumber was signed, as the Quebecois still came to Maine to work in the shoe factories hoping to earn enough money to return home someday. Many migrated to the D&K RR town to work in the American Flag Company as they load up the CP box car with American Flags. Weird isn’t that. A CP box car at the loading dock. Hmm, some transportation manager for the AFC needs to be sacked today. The foreman at the loading dock is a fellow named J.P. Cormier, a common Canadian name from the east. O Canada was sung today at SHS Field before the Pinheads took on their arch rivals from the state of PA, the Lillies a low Triple E farm club of the Phillies. Amazing how the stands was full of Lillies shirts just the Phillies do in DC! When will the pain end of this. Oh the pain of all the lillies shirts in the stand. But one nut case, has a sign that says Giants on it. That must be Grant B who sent me that sign.. Rodeo Root beer will be sold by all vendors at SHS Field, As the saying is about Rodeo Canadian Root Beer that the world will appreciate! A fan favorite at the ball park. And it is only 1.75 in 22 oz. cans with the old flip tops. I think the inventory is from 1962 reason why. Age, with perfection then. Ahh, but jut another great day down in the town of D&K RR. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9-pDSYPrio And as the lights go out at the ball park tonight after a record triple header, the town’s theme song will be sung live by Iris DeMent. Her husband Greg Brown is no where to be seen. He is painting his barn in Iowa with Garnet Rogers of Ontario who tours in the US. No disagreements with you John, beside you are a S gauger, so you can’t be bad at all. Now my other Canadian Friend, Ken, well, he is a O gauger in the TCA, but I don’t hold that against him. He is my favorite Canadian next to you. Then Neil Young, Gordon Lightfoot, Great Big Sea, Blue Rodeo, Rankin Family, Oyster Band, many names no one knows, lol. Tomorrow Che has to clean up all the mess made by melting Vachons. I bet most are saying what the heck is a Vachon.!!!! LOL A tasty Canadian Cookie. Coated with maple syrup and chocolate. Hey, Che, don’t forget to get that Citgo sign sparkling clean with all that Vachon chocolate on it. I hear Hugo is looking for Mr. Smitty. But then why is there a Esso Station in town. And what is S O anyway, one person wanted to know as he did not have his EZ Pass at the Plasticville tollbooth and held up traffic for many minutes as he only had Canadian Quarters. No Canadian Quarters the sign says about 4 miles before the tollbooth. Canadian Quarter Stay Away From Me, is the slogan on the sign. Sheesh, some people just don’t get it. HAPPY CANADIAN DAY TO ALL IN CANADA and elsewhere. Mike Marmer. From: John Picur Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 1:25 PM To: Michael & Linda Marmer Subject: Re: CANADA DAY!!! Sounds like a grand time will be had by all. I hope the D&K RR will operate some Canadian equipment as part of the celebration. I look forward to any photos. Today is Canada's 144th birthday. I hope there is a 144-year-old on a float (root beer is my preference) in the parade. If he/she has eaten enough Vachons, the preservatives will have kept them alive that long. Thank you for your birthday wishes. Like best friends, our countries may not always agree, but we cover each other's back when the going gets tough. regards ... pqr ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael & Linda Marmer To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Steve Conard ; John Picur ; Linda Marmer Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 3:32 AM Subject: CANADA DAY!!! The Canada Day celebrations is under way at the town of D&K RR. A huge parade will down railroad avenue and all will stop at the D&K RR Frosty Bar for Vachons serve with a huge scoop of Frosty’s favorite ice cream Maple Walnut. The Pinheads will be wearing uniforms with huge red Maple Leafs on them for the triple header schedule to start at 12 noon. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65240	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 7/1/2011
Subject: Re: Corrugated Paper Wrap

Perhaps some time after the the 4th I can get out my Circus engine and measure the Corrugated Wrapper. I can tell you I bought the wrapper individually for my circus set about 10 years back, and the wrapper alone cost me $150.00 big ones Rich in Cleveland >________________________________ >From: Louis <lou342ac@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Friday, July 1, 2011 10:12 AM >Subject: [S-Trains] Corrugated Paper Wrap > > >  >I'm curious if anyone has a list of the different widths of corrugated paper wrap that Gilbert used to protect engines and specialty rolling stock. It would be greatly appreciated if you could post the information. >Thanks, >Lou Baldi > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65241	From: rxman46321@aol.com	Date: 7/1/2011
Subject: American Hi-rail DL-109

Looking for 2 or 3 DL-109 shells from American Hi-Rail Check your shelves for one of those I'll do it later projects where later neve got here. John Griffin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65242	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/1/2011
Subject: CANADA DAY!!!

The Canada Day celebrations is under way at the town of D&K RR. A huge parade will down railroad avenue and all will stop at the D&K RR Frosty Bar for Vachons serve with a huge scoop of Frosty’s favorite ice cream Maple Walnut. The Pinheads will be wearing uniforms with huge red Maple Leafs on them for the triple header schedule to start at 12 noon. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65243	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/1/2011
Subject: TCA Quarterly Track Clips AF

In the “who done it” section of the latest TCA Quarterly there was a picture of two AF S track clips submitted by Clem Clement, as he tells they where for a S scale hay ejector car. However, I need to go into more detail on why 2 track clips, as Clem did call me on this and I explain why he had two in a set he has. Yes, they are for a hay ejector car, as these are from the early 60s, as AF went from the old standard track to the new Pike Master track, which has the look of HO track, but not the same quality. The metal track clip worked with the Pike Master track as it had to clip on between the many ties on this track. They also made a track clip to operate the car on the old standard track that clipped on the rail, just like a power connector. AF went away from the electrical action car to a action car that had a lever sticking out from the underbody of the car, so you would would turn the lever at the top of the trips parallel to the track so the item as the track passed by would throw out the hay bale. This only worked when the train was moving and only one at a time, so to do it again, the train had to pass over it again. So it was not realistic, as the car could not sit like the electrical cars and throw out as many hay bales as you wanted. AF also had a tie car, (RR ties) and a car with boxes, that did the sale thing. I believe the other track trip is real, as I had a repro track trip and this does not look like the repro. I gave it away to David on the S in TX, as I had no need for it. These are sort of hard to find, not too valuable. They might go from anywhere from 25 to 50 depending on who is selling it and if on eBay how many might want it. Maybe someone on the S list might have another opinion on what the value might be. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65244	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/1/2011
Subject: Re: Paper Adhesive On Franklin Tender

I remove stickers and stickey tape with Lighter Fluid..... I pick up a small corner and put a drop of fluid on it ..... gently peel it down adding fluid as necessary.... I recently got a couple of Speedee Bilt kits..... The shipper had put tape all over the boxes, which can be as valuable as the contents.... Using this method I cleaned up both of them and you couldn't tell where the tape had been..... and it evaporates.... leaving no marks....Bob Conner --- On Fri, 7/1/11, jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> wrote: From: jimensign50@... <jimensign50@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Paper Adhesive On Franklin Tender To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 10:13 AM   Don't know of a good suggestion, Gene. I ended up ruining one by using a too-abrasive pad on it. DON'T try that! Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Cimino" <ecphora123@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 8:01:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Paper Adhesive On Franklin Tender Attempting to remove the paper decoration on the sides of a Franklin tender.... Tried soaking it for a couple days in water with a bit of Pine Sol added. That didn't do the trick. The adhesive must be really good stuff. Will Goo Gone or something similar work or should I not use that on the shell? Thanks... Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65245	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/1/2011
Subject: Rusty Keith

Your attention please, Rusty Keith, ex minor leaguer, nephew to” George” Stephen Papa Eastman has signed on to play with the D&K RR Pinheads. Keith has a excellent throw to the infield to help cut down runners at home plate. Keith,, to Mosquito to Catcher, great combo for the Pinheads. Mr. Eastman is also related to the Marxist figure of Che that he kindly shipped of to MD to be 2nd in command in the D&K RR town. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65246	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 7/1/2011
Subject: Re: Paper Adhesive On Franklin Tender

Thanks Bob and Jim for the replies.... Jim, as I want to repaint the shell, I don't want to mar the surface with anything too rough. Your advice will be headed. Bob, do you know by experience that lighter fluid is safe on the plastic that Flyer was molded from? In any event, just to be safe, I will do a test run on a junker. Will let you know what happens as soon as I get some of the fluid at the store. Also, this sounds like a job for out of doors. Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65247	From: frank emiro	Date: 7/1/2011
Subject: Re: Paper Adhesive On Franklin Tender

Don't smoke or put it near the BBQ :) Frank R. EMIRO --- On Fri, 7/1/11, Gene Cimino <ecphora123@...> wrote: From: Gene Cimino <ecphora123@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Paper Adhesive On Franklin Tender To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 7:31 PM   Thanks Bob and Jim for the replies.... Jim, as I want to repaint the shell, I don't want to mar the surface with anything too rough. Your advice will be headed. Bob, do you know by experience that lighter fluid is safe on the plastic that Flyer was molded from? In any event, just to be safe, I will do a test run on a junker. Will let you know what happens as soon as I get some of the fluid at the store. Also, this sounds like a job for out of doors. Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65248	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 7/2/2011
Subject: Re: Paper Adhesive On Franklin Tender

Gene,      We have been using denatured alcohol for years to strip old AF plastic E&T units and cars with out any problems. However do not use too long on 1946 or 1947 units as these will soften when exposed for too long a period of time. The alcohol will take everything off including the stickers. After using the alcohol clean with warm water and liquid soap (DAWN) and dry thoroughly. Now you are ready for your new paint job. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc     --- On Fri, 7/1/11, Gene Cimino <ecphora123@...> wrote: From: Gene Cimino <ecphora123@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Paper Adhesive On Franklin Tender To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 1, 2011, 7:31 PM   Thanks Bob and Jim for the replies.... Jim, as I want to repaint the shell, I don't want to mar the surface with anything too rough. Your advice will be headed. Bob, do you know by experience that lighter fluid is safe on the plastic that Flyer was molded from? In any event, just to be safe, I will do a test run on a junker. Will let you know what happens as soon as I get some of the fluid at the store. Also, this sounds like a job for out of doors. Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65249	From: JOHN KEATING	Date: 7/2/2011
Subject: Paper Adhesive on Franklin Tender

Gene, Try either Goo Gone or WD-40; check first on inside of tender shell for any reaction with the plastic before using ti sparinglt on the outside of the shell. Good Luck. John Keating [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65250	From: lne1957	Date: 7/2/2011
Subject: SHS highrail wheel set available

I wish to trade S Helper Service highrail wheelsets for SHS 110 wheel sets, hopefully in quantities of 40 or more. I also have approximately 40 of the highrail (AF compatible) couplers which I would like to sale or trade (possibly for Kadee 802s or Number 5 HO couplers.) Jim S

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65251	From: Keith O.	Date: 7/2/2011
Subject: Re: SHS highrail wheel set available

HI Jim, I have 110 wheel sets that I removed from Showcase Lines hopper cars and replaced with wheel sets "No. 00025" from Scenery Unlimited. If these wheel sets are what you are looking for I would like to trade you for more hirail AF compatibles. let me know and I will count how many I have and email you a pic over. Thank you Keith O Phoenix AZ atrains@... ----- Original Message ----- From: lne1957 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 7:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] SHS highrail wheel set available I wish to trade S Helper Service highrail wheelsets for SHS 110 wheel sets, hopefully in quantities of 40 or more. I also have approximately 40 of the highrail (AF compatible) couplers which I would like to sale or trade (possibly for Kadee 802s or Number 5 HO couplers.) Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65252	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 7/2/2011
Subject: Custom Hot Wheels

Hi All, Tracie ordered some custom Hot Wheels for the layout. You can see several photos in the photo album. The following link will take you to the first photo: http://tinyurl.com/3rzev8c She did an excellent job with these!!!!! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65253	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 7/3/2011
Subject: "S"acto Convention Layout Tour

Gents....The "S"acto Convention (aka X2011) has begun! Noted S guys Doug Peck, Simon Parent and Dave Heine were here yesterday for the drive-yourself layout tours (aka Advance Section). One fellow (unknown to me) took these photos and posted them to Facebook. For those on the Wednesday S-layout bus tour, this is your preview. Having fun? I am !! Cheers....Ed L. http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.223507654350901.63138.104852949549706

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65254	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/3/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/3/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday July 3, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65255	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 7/3/2011
Subject: Re: Paper Adhesive On Franklin Tender

Thanks everyone for your suggestions...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65256	From: Jim Eberhardy	Date: 7/4/2011
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/3/2011, 8:00 pm

Why bother sending out a notice that arrives at 3:am the next day, and why not keep this group on trains [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65257	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/4/2011
Subject: Re: Sunday Evening Chat

Jim, I don't know how you get Chat notification at 3am on Monday. There has been a Sunday Evening Chat for S Trains for a number of years, always at 8pm Eastern time. The reminder runs automatically late on every Sunday afternoon on the Yahoo Group site. I started participating on the Chat a few years ago when I joined the S Trains Yahoo Group and show up just about every week, as do several others. Everyone is welcome, and the discussions often cover many subjects as well as trains. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65258	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 7/4/2011
Subject: Re: Sunday Evening Chat

Hi Stumpy, Do you remember back in 2003 when there was a minor uproar on whether or not a transcript of the chat should be posted each week? We even had a poll. For those who don't remember I recall it would be easy to "record" the chat and post it to the Group. There was a lot of chatter but occasionally there were some very informative American Flyer discussions. I used to make it a part of my Sunday night routine to join the chat, but somewhere along the way it evolved to include less and less train talk. At that time I decided to quit joining the chat. What would you say is the level of "train" talk these days? BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Jim, I don't know how you get Chat notification at 3am on Monday. There has been a Sunday Evening Chat for S Trains for a number of years, always at 8pm Eastern time. The reminder runs automatically late on every Sunday afternoon on the Yahoo Group site. > I started participating on the Chat a few years ago when I joined the S Trains Yahoo Group and show up just about every week, as do several others. Everyone is welcome, and the discussions often cover many subjects as well as trains. > Stumpy in Appalachia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65259	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/4/2011
Subject: Re: Sunday Evening Chat

<< ...I used to make it a part of my Sunday night routine to join the chat, but somewhere along the way it evolved to include less and less train talk. At that time I decided to quit joining the chat. What would you say is the level of "train" talk these days? > > > BG1 >> > > Seems like the train content is generally pretty high. Being unmoderated it can stray, and last night I got there late and the consensus was to talk about other things. That said, I have learned alot about Flyer and seen some very nice layout photos and project photos via the chat. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65260	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 7/4/2011
Subject: "S"acto NASG Roundhouse Revue and BBQ Too!!!

Gents..As of 6:00 pm today (Monday), there is one unsold seat remaining for the NASG Banquet. First come, first serve! An amazing evening awaits you. Cheers..Ed L. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65261	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 7/4/2011
Subject: Re: Sunday Evening Chat

Seems like you only need to ask a train question to get the chat back on track. But scenery, real life happenings that may be only slightly railroad connected do slip in. Carl, Barb, Ron, Steve, David, and others can offer a lot of help if you ask. And, train convention, meet and related news does fit the subject. So the Chat can be what you make of it. Photos and videos of layouts and even some of the 12 inches = 1 foot trains can be fit in, depending on what your interest may be. We do look at Gilbert HO and even other things that ACG made.Some of that can be a help in getting the most out of the American Flyer trains. So, Chat is what those who log in make of it.   jfred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65262	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/4/2011
Subject: Re: Sunday Evening Chat

Tried to "log in" several times, nothing. Has anything changed for the better?? Jim Lyle In a message dated 7/4/2011 9:49:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jfred436@... writes: So, Chat is what those who log in make of it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65263	From: Ray Puls	Date: 7/5/2011
Subject: Fw: Chuck Porter

----- Forwarded Message ----- Subject: Chuck Porter Chuck Porter joined his Savior Jesus Christ in Heaven on June 29, 2011, at the age of 79. His parents, Herbert and Ethel (See) Porter; and his aunt, Edith See, went on before him. Funeral services will be on Saturday, July 2nd, at 11:30 a.m. at St. Matthew‚s Lutheran Church in Oconomowoc, with the Rev. Daniel R. Schmidt officiating. Relatives and friends may call to pay their respects at the church on Saturday from 9:30 a.m. until the time of the service.  Memorials may be directed to St. Matthew‚s Debt Retirement or to the charity of one‚s choice. Chuck is survived by his loving wife of 53 years, Pat (Westphal) of Oconomowoc; sons, Charles A., Brian (Cathy), Maurice (friend, Laurie); grandchildren, Erin (Matt) Westlund, Stephanie (Leland) Crozier, Adam (Sara) Porter, Cristen (Kevin) Incitti, Denise (Jeff) Fyksen, Ryan and Jordan Porter and great-grandchildren, Ayla, Elaina, Leanna and Hayden. He will also be missed by the members of TNSG and other railfan friends, the St. Matthew‚s Shorehaven volunteers and many other friends and relatives. Special thanks to the staff at Oconomowoc Memorial Hospital‚s Step Down ICU.   The Hafemeister Funeral Home is assisting the family.  Online condolences may be made at www.hafemeisterfh.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65264	From: Ray Puls	Date: 7/5/2011
Subject: Sunday evening chat, Charles Porter

I don't know what the cause is but I also get the notification about the Sunday evening chat very late, maybe it is just Yahoo being messed up. Their new email update does not work very well either so I would not blame it on the moderator. On another note I am sad to report that we have lost the man who started our club, The Badgerland "S" Gaugers. Charles "Chuck" Porter passed away last week. I had not seen any notification of this on the site and thought friends and acquaintances of his would want to be informed of his passing. We will dearly miss Chuck. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65265	From: michael prell	Date: 7/5/2011
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/3/2011, 8:00 pm

Jim, I've only been a member of this chat room for a little over a year. It's the informality that's refreshing in that we get to know eachother on a more personal level. It's a civil group, yet open to humor and an exchange of wisdom as well as information that supports and benefits the shared interest of S-Gauge trains. Who could ask for anything better than that? S-weltering in S-yracuse Mike Prell     Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! --- On Mon, 7/4/11, Jim Eberhardy <nwoodsnut@...> wrote: From: Jim Eberhardy <nwoodsnut@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/3/2011, 8:00 pm To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 4, 2011, 8:31 AM   Why bother sending out a notice that arrives at 3:am the next day, and why not keep this group on trains [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65266	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 7/5/2011
Subject: Email address

To all, Does anyone out there have Bill Farner's email address or phone number? This is Mike Farner's dad in Kentucky. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65267	From: ghslaw31	Date: 7/5/2011
Subject: Something Different for Your Layout

We will shortly be doing our first run of CTA 4000 trolley cars. They will be resin cast and have powered trucks, interiors and lighting. They would make an interesting addition to a layout. I will be happy to supply a picture of the master, delivery dates, and prices. If interested please contact me off line. Gerry Siegel

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65268	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/5/2011
Subject: Recycled PC for the Train Room

We have an old Dell PC (P4, 512 MB RAM) that sat in a closet, the kids had abandoned it and the hard drive had been donated to a more worthy system. I decided to put it back in service (still with no hard drive) as a train room PC using the free "Wary" Puppy Linux http://puppylinux.org <http%3a//puppylinux.org> I used it Sunday night to get on the S chat and I'm typing this e-mail on it. Puppy is free and boots from a CD. It loads the entire OS and all the applications into memory so it's very fast and once set up it boots in under a minute. Just about any PC that boots from a CD drive can run it. Now I have it booting from (and saving to) a 4 GB USB thumb drive - look Ma still no hard drive! Lucid Puppy is for newer hardware and really screams on a faster PC...like the one that got the hard drive :-) So now I have a full-sized PC for the train room and it didn't cost me a penny. That said, the Winnie-the-Pooh keyboard was a little much so I did splurge $15 for a new one :-) I wonder if the Linux version of JMRI runs under Puppy.. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65269	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 7/6/2011
Subject: Re: Recycled PC for the Train Room

Cool, once in a while I boot up into UBUNTU Linux also have used tiny linux but like UBUNTU a lot. I have a spare pc will have to try puppy linux on it some time.     [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65270	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 7/6/2011
Subject: "S"acto Schedules.......

Gentlemen.. This message is to alert you to some problems with the printed program guide at the convention. It contains MANY errors. As a result, there is a daily "errors & changes" sheet which is printed and posted on bulletin boards. It also is available at or near the Registration Desk. My rumor mill tells me that many of the NASG events have a printed error of one kind or another. So what to do..?? Here is what I would suggest: 1. Rely on the web site information as much as possible. It is correct. The printed program and ONLY the printed program is where the errors are concentrated. 2. Be sure to read the daily "errors and changes" sheet. Each day's sheet is a different color. Some of the corrections for Wednesday events will be on the Thursday "errors and changes" sheet. Yes, I know that makes no sense, but it is what it is. It would be good to check and double check the times and locations for anything you want to do. I will shut down my home computer at 9:00 am on Wednesday morning and then board a bus to head toward Sacramento. After that, I will not be able to answer email inquiries. Ask your questions before then if you want a response before July 15th. "S"ee you soon...Ed Loizeaux [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65271	From: Edward Loizeaux	Date: 7/6/2011
Subject: "S"acto in real time (almost)

Gentlemen.... You can now follow convention activities from the comfort of your home. One of our fellows been posting you-are-there, real time updates all week from X2011 West and will continue to do so. He now has posted 15+ videos and around 125+ pictures by now -- all happening in real time. You can see all at X2011 West Facebook page: http://facebook.com/x2011west You don't have to be member of Facebook. Anyone can see the above. You don't have to log on to Facebook. All of this for your personal enjoyment. Courtesy of John Sing, Social Networking Coordinator. By the way, the L-401 S-only home layout tour is now under way. The train has just pulled out of the Sacto depot and has crossed over the river on the way to Grandma's house. Whoops, make that Ed L's house. Well, my wife is a grandma so I was correct after all. Thought I made an error there, but I was wrong. Does that make me perfect? Ha....! Cheers....Ed L.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65272	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: Davids Eats

The concession stand at SHS Field run by David Dewey finally got it’s name up on the White AF whistle stop concession stand. David's Eats is up. David’s Funnel Cakes was too long and I did not have enough letters. So please stop by and say hello to David working the counter. David does get his funnel cake mix from the J Lechner Food Company. He’s get a better price for goods than the Branford Diner. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65273	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: Fw: Davids Eats Photos

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1410367691/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=761&count=20&dir=asc Added photos of Davids Eats and painted baseball men on bench including a few others. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65274	From: Jim Schall	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: wheel sets

Sorry but the wheel sets went out in the mail today. Jim S [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65275	From: Dave	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: NEW POLL

We have started a new poll to find out from the members here as to which of the new products we may be producing in the future best suits them and their requirements for their layouts. This will be a great help in directing us to our next new item Dave, LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65276	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: Re: Email address

Hi Harwood, Phone number for Bill that I have is the same as Mike's 502-543-7117. The same for the email wfarner@.... Got the numbers from the 2005 TCA Directory. Haven't talk to either one in years. I know they used to do business together. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 5, 2011 3:04:12 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Email address To all, Does anyone out there have Bill Farner's email address or phone number? This is Mike Farner's dad in Kentucky. Harwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65277	From: George Cohn	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: Re: Recycled PC for the Train Room

On 7/5/2011 7:23 PM, weidner@... wrote: > Cool, once in a while I boot up into UBUNTU Linux also have used tiny > linux but like UBUNTU a lot. I have a spare pc will have to try puppy > linux on it some time. Also take a look at http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html It's a live CD called Knoppix which is a full featured Linux desktop on CD. You can boot the disk on a Windows machine and it doesn't make any changes to your Windows files. It's been used as the base operating system for other applications as well including KnoppMythTV which is a Tivo-like application. I teach Debian Linux at the local community college. Ubuntu is a derivative of Debian. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65278	From: Larry Moore	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: need tender

To the group: Hope all had a great 4th. I am in need of a die-cast 2-wire Pennsylvania tender, in VG to VG+ condition, for a 310 RIB project. Please check your kit bashing boxes, and yet to get to projects, for an extra tender. Thanks in advance for any help. Please advise sale price or trade, if I have something you may need. Larry Moore (mo2337@...). Thank you. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65279	From: Frank	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: Re: NEW POLL

How about some dash 8's & 9's. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 6, 2011, at 5:01 PM, "Dave" <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > We have started a new poll to find out from the members here as to which of the new products we may be producing in the future best suits them and their requirements for their layouts. This will be a great help in directing us to our next new item > Dave, LBR Enterprises, llc > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65280	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Davids Eats Photos

Hi Mike, That is some very fine work and a delight to see. Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 7/6/2011 7:37 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1410367691/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=761&count=20&dir=asc > > Added photos of Davids Eats and painted baseball men on bench including a few others. > > Mike >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65281	From: Brady	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: Re: Recycled PC for the Train Room

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, weidner@... wrote: > > Cool, once in a while I boot up into UBUNTU Linux also have used tiny linux but like UBUNTU a lot. I have a spare pc will have to try puppy linux on it some time. >   I think the trick with old hardware is to use an older distro of Puppy, and replace the older Internet browser (Seamonkey 1 or Firefox 2) with a newer version of a light browser like Opera or Google Chrome. The other included apps (e-mail, Abi-word word processing, etc.) will do for basic use. I did this with an old version of MacPup, a Macintosh-like Puppy derivative. Watching train videos on YouTube (with e-mail and Abi-word running in the background) only used 188MB out of 502MB available. I was also able to watch one of my train videos with my cheapo USB DVD drive. Free software and a pipeline to old hardware means more money for trains :-) Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65282	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: add to poll

I would like to see a Chicago North Western streamlined Hudson or a streamlined Pacific. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65283	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: Fw: News and Specials from Flying Yankee Restoration Group, Inc.!

Interesting that this RR ride had a raffle for a train and it was in S. Mike Marmer From: Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:18 PM To: Stan Jordan Cc: Michael & Linda Marmer Subject: FW: News and Specials from Flying Yankee Restoration Group, Inc.! From: Flying Yankee Restoration Group, Inc. [mailto:patricia@...] On Behalf Of Flying Yankee Restoration Group, Inc. Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:12 AM To: ron.cnw400@... Subject: News and Specials from Flying Yankee Restoration Group, Inc.! Having trouble viewing this email? Click here Hi, just a reminder that you're receiving this email because you have expressed an interest in Flying Yankee Restoration Group, Inc.. Don't forget to add flyingyankee@... to your address book so we'll be sure to land in your inbox! You may unsubscribe if you no longer wish to receive our emails. Flying Yankee Newsletter June 2011 UP & COMING - JOIN US FOR THE 4TH IN LINCOLN THREE BIG DAYS THIS TIME: JULY 2nd 3rd and 4th, 2011 Open House Tours will be conducted daily at the Flying Yankee based at the Hobo Railroad in Lincoln, NH from 10:00 AM until 4:00 PM. Check out their Fireworks Train on the 4th as well as the luxurious Cafe Lafayette Dinner Train that departs Saturday and Sunday evenings. Our Official Lodging Sponsor for the Flying Yankee is the Comfort Inn located on the Hobo Railroad grounds. Make it a long weekend riding the trains & don't forget the Hobo Hills Theme Mini Golf on site also. RAFFLE DRAWING While some Flying Yankee members looked on, Jennifer Clark of the Hobo RR graciously drew the winning raffle ticket for the River Raisin "S" Gauge Flying Yankee model. The model itself was donated by Mr. Lewis Lloyd and the lucky winner was Mr. Charles Franklin of Manchester, MA. See following article for further information. RIVER RAISIN "S" GAUGE RAFFLE WINNER Mr. Charles Franklin of Manchester, MA was the lucky winner of the Flying Yankee "S" Gauge model raffle held June 11th, 2011 at the Flying Yankee Open House at the Hobo Railroad in Lincoln, NH. Mr. Franklin was quite surprised and very happy to have this model for his own model set up. He promises to send pictures as soon as he has it set up for us all to see. Good luck Mr. Franklin and we look forward to seeing the pictures. JUNE 11 OPEN HOUSE Thank you to all of you that visited the Flying Yankee Open House June 11. You all made a very cold day warm and enjoyable. To those of you looking that had been looking forward to the cover being removed, we apologize for the confusion. As explained in the previous newsletter, even though the weatherizing is complete and beautifully done, for safety and security reasons, it was decided to leave the cover in place until the Flying Yankee can be put back on its wheels. Before the Flying Yankee goes back on its wheels, the under carriage wiring and plumbing has to be completed. In order to have this completed, funds need to be raised. The weather proofing used up the funds previously received from the State provided from a Federal Grant to NH. As soon as this new project is completed and the Yankee is back on its wheels, Ben Clark (P&L RR-Hobo RR) will be able to move it around from place to place while the final phase is worked on which will be the power units (1 for "running" the train and a 2nd for power when idle). Steve Taylor turned on the heat and all was comfortable. People were delighted to see all the windows in place and sealed, all the doors back in place and shining, and the "hatch" cover back in place. A SPECIAL FATHER'S DAY GIFT FOR DAD Matt Pickett (Pickett Design, Cambridge, MA) gave his father, Tom Pickett, a special Father's Day gift and brought him to Lincoln for a special tour of the Flying Yankee - a train he had watched as a youngster, dreamt of going on, but had never been inside. We enjoyed over 2 hours of investigating the Flying Yankee, listening to different stories, and enjoyed a great afternoon. Tom, and Matt verified, mentioned that back in the days of "Trolley" travel, you could take a trolley from Portland, ME all the way to Florida. Foster Leavitt in Saco, ME would know more about that being from a family of Trolley men in the Portland, ME area. Hard to imagine in this day and age isn't it? Father and son maintain a train set (Tom lives in Weymouth, MA) with a Flying Yankee model as one of the trains. The Yankee is their favorite and Matt let us in on a little secret - because he likes the look, he has a fourth car on his Yankee model (which he removed for this picture to keep it authentic). Sounds like a lot of fun guys. Thank you also Matt for your very generous donation to the continuation of the Flying Yankee Restoration. HOBO RAILROAD & BIKE WEEK IN NEW HAMPSHIRE Motorcycles, Trains, and like minded friends. A great way to spend a weekend. The Hobo Railroad provided rail service between the Weirs and Meredith. Looks like a full house and then some. A busy but fun weekend for everyone. These pictures were gratefully provided by Hobo Railroad Engineer, George Kenson. Thank you George for sharing some of the fun with the rest of us. "THE SILVER HILL BOYS & THE SECRET RR CLUB" Looking for that special book for your child to complete their Summer Reading Program for school. Pick up a copy of "The Silver Hill Boys and the Secret Railroad Club" by Joe Karas. Parent's and Grandparent's alike will enjoy this true story which will also produce a little nostalgia from sand lot baseball, ice skating on the local pond, to sleding down the steepest hill we could find. Great story for all ages and Joe provides a portion of each sale toward the restoration of the Flying Yankee. If you haven't seen this web site yet, you may want to take a look OLD COLONY & NEWPORT RR SPECIAL TRAINS Our Friends at the Old Colony & Newport RR in Rhode Island announced it will operate special scenic trains from Green Lane, Middletown, to Anthony Road, Portsmouth, at the north end of Aquidneck Island, on three Sundays this summer. The 2-hour round trips will depart from Green Lane at 4 PM on July 24, August 14 and September 18. Each train will have a narrated theme related to places and events along the railroad line. July 24 train will focus on the restored marsh at the mouth of Founders Brook in Portsmouth. The train will stop to allow passengers to take photos at the theme site. The trains will use the Old Colony's heritage passenger cars, representative of railroad cars that operated on Aquidneck Island at the turn of the Twentieth Century. The three special trains will provide a rare opportunity to see the Island, Narragansett Bay and Mt Hope Bay from this perspective. Round-trip Coach fares will be $10 for adults, $8 for seniors and $5 for children. Round-trip fares for the first class seats in the Parlor Car (adults only) will be $15. Tickets may be purchased from an agent at Green Lane prior to departure or on board at the flag stops. Reservations can be made at (401) 624-6951. FLYING YANKEE DONATIONS JOIN OUR MAILING LIST Forward email This email was sent to ron.cnw400@... by flyingyankee@... | Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe™ | Privacy Policy. Flying Yankee Restoration Group, Inc. | POBOX 145 | N. WOODSTOCK | NH | 03262 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65284	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Davids Eats Photos

Thank you Bill. I hope David like’s his name up on the concession stand, long over do. next I got some lobsters for a sign by the diner. Mike From: Bill Porter Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:37 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Davids Eats Photos Hi Mike, That is some very fine work and a delight to see. Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 7/6/2011 7:37 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1410367691/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=761&count=20&dir=asc > > Added photos of Davids Eats and painted baseball men on bench including a few others. > > Mike > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65285	From: jshannon148	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: Re: PAINT OR PLASTIC

Mike, thanks for the information - I have the 2000 edition of T&M but not the later. How do you interpret the change in the Vol #2 rarety rating? Does anyone on the list have an opinion as to whether a red unpainted plastic AF #642 boxcar is common or rare? Many thanks, John - Pittsburgh --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > T&M Vol #1 lists it as #5 very rare.....T&M Vol #2 Lists it as 1+ $25... > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65286	From: Al	Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: Fw: Amusement Park Train For Sale

----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Steve Jones <sejones@...> Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2011 3:06 PM Subject: Amusement Park Train For Sale     Hello Everyone,   This was one of those days where I picked up the phone and had a very unexpected conversation. Carol Helf introduced herself and then went on to explain that she is helping to settle an estate and one of the items that they need to get rid of is a train!   See http://ashestate.weebly.com/ for pictures and a full explanation of the train’s history. It’s an interesting story even if you are not interested in the train.   If you have an interest, or know anyone who might, please contact Carol directly at (801) 810 6467 or carolhelf@....   Regards, Steve The S4 Group, Inc. - Software Services and System Solutions for the Enterprise Steven E. Jones Managing Partner 585 - 24th Street, Suite 106 Ogden, UT 84401 Office: (801) 621 1970 Mobile: (414) 828 0166 sejones@... http://www.thes4group.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65287	From: Ray Puls	Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: new poll

I am looking forward to the promised six wheel, all wheel pick up trucks for Northern ans Hudson tenders. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65288	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: PAINT OR PLASTIC

No idea, might have been a typo. Maybe someone with a Greenburgs can chime in, Mike In a message dated 7/7/2011 7:35:19 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jshannon148@... writes: Mike, thanks for the information - I have the 2000 edition of T&M but not the later. How do you interpret the change in the Vol #2 rarety rating? Does anyone on the list have an opinion as to whether a red unpainted plastic AF #642 boxcar is common or rare? Many thanks, John - Pittsburgh --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , anormal1@... wrote: > > T&M Vol #1 lists it as #5 very rare.....T&M Vol #2 Lists it as 1+ $25... > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65289	From: Tony Gervasio	Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: NEW POLL

I'm always looking to add a new GS-4 to the roster.  GS-6 would be nice too.   Tony Gervasio From: Dave <lbrenterprisesllc@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2011 2:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] NEW POLL   We have started a new poll to find out from the members here as to which of the new products we may be producing in the future best suits them and their requirements for their layouts. This will be a great help in directing us to our next new item Dave, LBR Enterprises, llc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65290	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: Recycled PC for the Train Room... Toaster Envy.....

So many Unixes.. And so little time.. My Phenom II X6 running VMWare server is very jealous of your toaster computer... Try the new Google Apps set and operating environment to run the toaster over the cloud.. Scott Dee From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brady Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:52 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Recycled PC for the Train Room --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , weidner@... wrote: > > Cool, once in a while I boot up into UBUNTU Linux also have used tiny linux but like UBUNTU a lot. I have a spare pc will have to try puppy linux on it some time. > I think the trick with old hardware is to use an older distro of Puppy, and replace the older Internet browser (Seamonkey 1 or Firefox 2) with a newer version of a light browser like Opera or Google Chrome. The other included apps (e-mail, Abi-word word processing, etc.) will do for basic use. I did this with an old version of MacPup, a Macintosh-like Puppy derivative. Watching train videos on YouTube (with e-mail and Abi-word running in the background) only used 188MB out of 502MB available. I was also able to watch one of my train videos with my cheapo USB DVD drive. Free software and a pipeline to old hardware means more money for trains :-) Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65291	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Amusement Park Train for sale

Al...I wish I could afford this "toy!" The construction looks very good and the condition is nice. The builder seems to have been influenced by studying one of the many Cagney Bros. locomtives built around the turn of the century (19th) for amusement parks and zoos. Cagney also built four for the Pan American Exposition as well. These locos were usually built to 12" to 15" gauges, but they were known to do "to order" work as well. It is thought that about half the Cagney locos have survived, some now being over 100 years old! Two are still running almost daily at Lakeside Park in Colorado! There is one about an hour and a half north of me that is run a couple of times a year on private property. The locomtive in the photos is similar in many ways, but larger than the Cagney's I seen photos of. It will certainly bring more money than I have! Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65292	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: Amusement Park Train for sale

The boiler test info or lack of is KEY to this. Some states will not allow it to be run w/o stringent, sometimes destructive tests & really not a bad idea. There is a prox 1/4 scale CASE steam traction engine floating around in PA. can be owned, can't be fired w/o PA Boiler tests, some of the best and toughest around. When I saw it ten yrs ago, the story was that boiler had to be cut open to prove thickness/strength of metal, etc. Could have easily been avoided with monitoring/record keeping while being built. Good luck to whomever becomes the new owner. Jim Lyle In a message dated 7/8/2011 3:11:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mrstumpy@... writes: Al...I wish I could afford this "toy!" The construction looks very good and the condition is nice. The builder seems to have been influenced by studying one of the many Cagney Bros. locomtives built around the turn of the century (19th) for amusement parks and zoos. Cagney also built four for the Pan American Exposition as well. These locos were usually built to 12" to 15" gauges, but they were known to do "to order" work as well. It is thought that about half the Cagney locos have survived, some now being over 100 years old! Two are still running almost daily at Lakeside Park in Colorado! There is one about an hour and a half north of me that is run a couple of times a year on private property. The locomtive in the photos is similar in many ways, but larger than the Cagney's I seen photos of. It will certainly bring more money than I have! Stumpy in Appalachia ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65293	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Tender Trucks

----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Puls I am looking forward to the promised six wheel, all wheel pick up trucks for Northern and Hudson tenders. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If your trains have to be pure American Flyer, fine, it a nice hobby. But if not, American Models has two 3-axle tender trucks, one made for the K4 and the other more of a generic type (I guess), being American Models part numbers 6WHK4 and 6WHTK, respectively. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65294	From: lionely6b	Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: PAINT OR PLASTIC

That entry on the 642 was a typo in the 1st Edition -- a great check to see if anyone was paying attention. It took nearly a half year for someone to notice. ;-) Fortunately, all will have a chance to search anew for an isolated typo in the upcoming 3rd Edition of the new and improved TM 2012 American Flyer Guide coming this October. More Gilbert AF entries, the most up to date Lionel Flyer listings (including all set, 2-, 3-, and 4-pack contents by SKU #), Gilbert set contents, a bigger section on 'paper', and updated pricing. Bob Bubeck --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > No idea, might have been a typo. Maybe someone with a Greenburgs can chime > in, Mike > > > In a message dated 7/7/2011 7:35:19 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > jshannon148@... writes: > > > > > Mike, thanks for the information - I have the 2000 edition of T&M but not > the later. How do you interpret the change in the Vol #2 rarety rating? > Does anyone on the list have an opinion as to whether a red unpainted plastic > AF #642 boxcar is common or rare? > > Many thanks, John - Pittsburgh > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , > anormal1@ wrote: > > > > T&M Vol #1 lists it as #5 very rare.....T&M Vol #2 Lists it as 1+ $25... > > Mike > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65295	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: Amusement Park Train for sale

Strasburg RR runs a CAGNEY daily, in season, Strasburg PA. Jim Lyle In a message dated 7/8/2011 3:28:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, WJJIM@... writes: Cagney Bros. locomtives built around the turn of the century (19th) for amusement parks and zoos. Cagney also built four for the Pan American Exposition as well. These locos were usually built to 12" to 15" gauges, but they were known to do "to order" work as well. It is thought that about half the Cagney locos have survived, some now being over 100 years old! Two are still running almost daily at Lakeside Park [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65296	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: "S"acto in real time (almost)

Check KCRA.Com today for the news spot on the Train Show. You're gonna love it!!! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:10 AM, "Edward Loizeaux" <Loizeaux@...> wrote: > Gentlemen.... > > You can now follow convention activities from the comfort of your > home. One > of our fellows been posting you-are-there, real time updates all > week from > X2011 West and will continue to do so. > > He now has posted 15+ videos and around 125+ pictures by now -- all > happening in real time. > > You can see all at X2011 West Facebook page: > > http://facebook.com/x2011west > > You don't have to be member of Facebook. Anyone can see the above. You > don't have to log on to Facebook. > > All of this for your personal enjoyment. Courtesy of John Sing, Social > Networking Coordinator. > > By the way, the L-401 S-only home layout tour is now under way. The > train > has just pulled out of the Sacto depot and has crossed over the > river on the > way to Grandma's house. Whoops, make that Ed L's house. Well, my > wife is > a grandma so I was correct after all. Thought I made an error there, > but I > was wrong. Does that make me perfect? Ha....! > > Cheers....Ed L. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65297	From: bob moyer	Date: 7/9/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Amusement Park Train For Sale

Al <alsflyer@...> wrote: > > > >----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: Steve Jones <sejones@...> >Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2011 3:06 PM >Subject: Amusement Park Train For Sale > >  >  >Hello Everyone, >  >This was one of those days where I picked up the phone and had a very unexpected conversation. Carol Helf introduced herself and then went on to explain that she is helping to settle an estate and one of the items that they need to get rid of is a train! >  >See http://ashestate.weebly.com/ for pictures and a full explanation of the train’s history. It’s an interesting story even if you are not interested in the train. >  >If you have an interest, or know anyone who might, please contact Carol directly at (801) 810 6467 or carolhelf@.... >  >Regards, >Steve > >The S4 Group, Inc. - Software Services and System Solutions for the Enterprise >Steven E. Jones >Managing Partner 585 - 24th Street, Suite 106 >Ogden, UT 84401 Office: (801) 621 1970 >Mobile: (414) 828 0166 sejones@... >http://www.thes4group.com > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65298	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 7/9/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Amusement Park Train For Sale

In a twist of irony and names, there is also a small machine shop in Strasburg, COLORADO, that builds and restores scale steam engines. They have built several for amusement parks and have restored some full-sized narrow gauge engines. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob moyer" <romoyer1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2011 8:41:37 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Amusement Park Train For Sale Al < alsflyer@... > wrote: > > > >----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: Steve Jones < sejones@... > >Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2011 3:06 PM >Subject: Amusement Park Train For Sale > > > >Hello Everyone, > >This was one of those days where I picked up the phone and had a very unexpected conversation. Carol Helf introduced herself and then went on to explain that she is helping to settle an estate and one of the items that they need to get rid of is a train! > >See http://ashestate.weebly.com/ for pictures and a full explanation of the train’s history. It’s an interesting story even if you are not interested in the train. > >If you have an interest, or know anyone who might, please contact Carol directly at (801) 810 6467 or carolhelf@... . > >Regards, >Steve > >The S4 Group, Inc. - Software Services and System Solutions for the Enterprise >Steven E. Jones >Managing Partner 585 - 24th Street, Suite 106 >Ogden, UT 84401 Office: (801) 621 1970 >Mobile: (414) 828 0166 sejones@... > http://www.thes4group.com > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65299	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/9/2011
Subject: Amusement Park Trains

Some years ago, I was at King's Island Amusement Park near Cincinnati, Ohio and we rode the train ride there which was an "Old West" style two foot gauge operation. The locomotives and cars wore builder's plates saying Crown Metal Products, from somewhere in Pennsylvania. At that time they made many trains in sizes up to three foot guage for parks all over the country. The live steam ones were geerally propane fired for ease of use and maintenance. I believe I heard went out of business some years ago. Back when I was into 7 1/2" gauge, 1 1/2" scale "ride on" size trains I kept up with the larger amusement park stuff, but have long since strayed back into model railroading. Does anyone know if Crown is still around? I can't find a website for them, so I suspect they are gone. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65300	From: ghslaw31	Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: CTA 4000

Group, Thanks for the response to my post on the CTA 4000. Frankly I am pleased a bit surprised but very encouraged. As expected the caaster received the master and requested changes in it.This will set things back a bit but not greatly I hope. I will keep all advised. Thanks again, Gerry S

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65301	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: Amusement Park Trains

STUMPY....... Back about 1990 I was at a train show in Dayton...... They had a sw1500? which was about 3 feet tall on display that they were selling as kits? price around 3000.00 then..... Any ideas about whatever happened to them? Bob Conner --- On Sat, 7/9/11, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Amusement Park Trains To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 9, 2011, 5:27 PM   Some years ago, I was at King's Island Amusement Park near Cincinnati, Ohio and we rode the train ride there which was an "Old West" style two foot gauge operation. The locomotives and cars wore builder's plates saying Crown Metal Products, from somewhere in Pennsylvania. At that time they made many trains in sizes up to three foot guage for parks all over the country. The live steam ones were geerally propane fired for ease of use and maintenance. I believe I heard went out of business some years ago. Back when I was into 7 1/2" gauge, 1 1/2" scale "ride on" size trains I kept up with the larger amusement park stuff, but have long since strayed back into model railroading. Does anyone know if Crown is still around? I can't find a website for them, so I suspect they are gone. Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65302	From: First	Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: S South 2011 - Richmond, VA

Hi, The Atlantic Coast S Gaugers are setting up a modular layout in the gymnasium of the St. Joseph's Villa school in Richmond Virginia on July 16 and 17, 2011. All are invited to attend and bring trains to run. Here is a link to more information: http://www.trainweb.org/acsg/S-South2011.html S Gaugers from Baltimore, Washington, Richmond, Roanoke, Virginia Beach, and North Carolina will be setting up a large layout in the gym. There will also be some smaller layouts to run - including the Super 8. The school is located near Virginia exit 83 on I-95 with a variety of motels located nearby. If you are available and are nearby, please stop in and enjoy the trains. Marvin ACSG Webmaster http://www.trainweb.org/acsg/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65303	From: Boxcarmike464	Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: Amusement Park Trains

Stumpy: Crown Metal Products is now long gone. If my memory serves their final train went to Knott`s Berry Farm and is still running around the Camp Snoopy part of the park as the Grand Sierra Scenic Railroad. I`m not entirely sure if that Crown there was the lasst one made but it was certainly on of the final ones produced by Crown before they closed up shop. The SW1500 is one of my favorite diesel locomotives. I would also like to know about those kits if there is any information available. Hope that helps a little. Michael -----Original Message----- From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Jul 10, 2011 9:09 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Amusement Park Trains STUMPY....... Back about 1990 I was at a train show in Dayton...... They had a sw1500? which was about 3 feet tall on display that they were selling as kits? price around 3000.00 then..... Any ideas about whatever happened to them? Bob Conner --- On Sat, 7/9/11, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Amusement Park Trains To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 9, 2011, 5:27 PM Some years ago, I was at King's Island Amusement Park near Cincinnati, Ohio and we rode the train ride there which was an "Old West" style two foot gauge operation. The locomotives and cars wore builder's plates saying Crown Metal Products, from somewhere in Pennsylvania. At that time they made many trains in sizes up to three foot guage for parks all over the country. The live steam ones were geerally propane fired for ease of use and maintenance. I believe I heard went out of business some years ago. Back when I was into 7 1/2" gauge, 1 1/2" scale "ride on" size trains I kept up with the larger amusement park stuff, but have long since strayed back into model railroading. Does anyone know if Crown is still around? I can't find a website for them, so I suspect they are gone. Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65304	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Amusement park trains

Crown metal products has been out of business for many years. When I was working for Kings Island and the company that owned it in the 1970s, Crown Metal products was supplying live steam trains to just about every amusement park in operation. By the way, the Kings Island train is 36" gauge, not 24. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65305	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/10/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday July 10, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65306	From: Al	Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Amusement Park Train For Sale

From: Steve Jones sejones@... Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 1:39 PM Subject: RE: Amusement Park Train For Sale   I just received a message from Carol today that the train has been sold. I have no idea how long it will be before it is picked up by the purchaser but you might still be able to go see it. Carol is on the eMail list so I would suggest that you drop her an eMail if you are interested. carolhelf@....   Regards, Steve The S4 Group, Inc. - Software Services and System Solutions for the Enterprise Steven E. Jones Managing Partner 585 - 24th Street, Suite 106 Ogden, UT 84401 Office: (801) 621 1970 Mobile: (414) 828 0166 sejones@... http://www.thes4group.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65307	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/11/2011
Subject: Videos form the 2011 NMRA National

Check out the S scale bascule bridge on page 2.. http://www.facebook.com/video/?id=104852949549706&s=0 Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65308	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/11/2011
Subject: Wally's General Merchandise

http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/9642993317 Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65309	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/11/2011
Subject: Re: Wally's General Merchandise

Looks good, Brady. Will you show us a photo of that structure on your layout? I hope so. Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 7/10/2011 10:02 PM, Brady Burdge wrote: > http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/9642993317 > > > Brady Burdge > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65310	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/11/2011
Subject: Lack of Videos form the 2011 NMRA National

How interesting, Lots of HO, N, Z, O gauge stuff but nothing on the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers S Gauge layout with all the bells and whistles. Hmmmmmmmmmmm! Steve In a message dated 7/11/2011 4:04:43 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, brady@... writes: Check out the S scale bascule bridge on page 2.. _http://www.facebook.com/video/?id=104852949549706&s=0_ (http://www.facebook.com/video/?id=104852949549706&s=0) Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65311	From: Rhett George	Date: 7/11/2011
Subject: Amusement Park Train For Sale

- GreetingS - In the photo of the side of the engine (front) truck, it appears that the axles are not parallel. This looks like an interesting design to enable the loco to handle sharp curves, achieved by using two 2-wheeled trucks pivoted at different points in the frame. CheerS, Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65312	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/11/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/11/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Monday July 11, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65313	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/11/2011
Subject: Re: Wally's General Merchandise

<< Looks good, Brady. Will you show us a photo of that structure on your layout? I hope so. >> Bill, Thanks, In-place photos will have to wait until the layout is rebuilt. I want to change from a table layout to around-the-walls so I can use my MTH Hell Gate bridge. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65314	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 7/11/2011
Subject: Re: Lack of Videos form the 2011 NMRA National

there were 5 other s modulars, who never got filmed with the exception of the san diego group, who made it on the local network station, kcra channel 3

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65315	From: Dale Smith	Date: 7/12/2011
Subject: Re: Lack of Videos form the 2011 NMRA National

I think a lot of the videos on the link Brady sent were from the layout tours. We will need to wait a bit for a few more to surface. I will soon be posting some videos and still shots of the of the Sibley Department store layout on the www.americanflyerdisplays.org website. This is the layout that Clay Buckage had on display at both TCA convention and the National Train Show. I just need to do some editing first. Dale Smith On 7/11/2011 5:29 PM, clipper841@... wrote: > > there were 5 other s modulars, who never got filmed with the > exception of the san diego group, who made it on the local network > station, kcra channel 3 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65316	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 7/12/2011
Subject: Re: Lack of Videos form the 2011 NMRA National

KCRA came to film the Lego layout, but spent only five minutes with them before crossing the aisle to spend THIRTY minutes with us. Their reporter went nuts over S Scale and our Gilbert operating accessories. We ended up with more air time than Lego, and HO, O, N, etc., got none!!! What the people of Sacramento saw was that the NTS was about Lego and S. Bob Graves, Webmaster and Treasurer San Diego S-Gaugers On Jul 11, 2011, at 5:29 PM, "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...> wrote: there were 5 other s modulars, who never got filmed with the exception of the san diego group, who made it on the local network station, kcra channel 3 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65317	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/13/2011
Subject: Re: Lack of Videos form the 2011 NMRA National

Pictures of our participation at X2011/NTS are now on our website, including a link to the KCRA news report.       https://sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home/2011-national-train-show --- On Tue, 7/12/11, The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Lack of Videos form the 2011 NMRA National To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 10:48 AM   KCRA came to film the Lego layout, but spent only five minutes with them before crossing the aisle to spend THIRTY minutes with us. Their reporter went nuts over S Scale and our Gilbert operating accessories. We ended up with more air time than Lego, and HO, O, N, etc., got none!!! What the people of Sacramento saw was that the NTS was about Lego and S. Bob Graves, Webmaster and Treasurer San Diego S-Gaugers On Jul 11, 2011, at 5:29 PM, "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...> wrote: there were 5 other s modulars, who never got filmed with the exception of the san diego group, who made it on the local network station, kcra channel 3 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65318	From: JOHN and CAROL	Date: 7/13/2011
Subject: Re: Lack of Videos form the 2011 NMRA National

clipper841 wrote: "there were 5 other s modulars, who never got filmed with the exception of the san diego group, who made it on the local network station, kcra channel 3." >>> Actually, Sacramento KCRA Channel 3 did three interviews with me on Friday morning from the National Train Show. Two were live feeds, and one was taped for later broadcast. The only segment that KCRA archived on their website featured my new good friend Bob Graves (hi, Bob!) from the San Diego S Gaugers. So, there were other layouts that got filmed at the show. It was a very good show for S gauging. Over 19,579 people saw the six S layouts (that number is the announced attendance, but does not include vendors, exhibitors, news crews, center staff, or the NTS staff). It took us 11-1/2 hours to return home yesterday, and I'm "trained-out" for awhile. But it was a great experience, and we're awfully glad we went. There sure were a lot of smiles in the audiences. YourS, John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Home of Lookout Junction, "Route of the S Gaugers" Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65319	From: jim_marski	Date: 7/14/2011
Subject: PRS Kits for Sale

Have the following PRS kits for sale. Asking $200 plus postage for all or make an offer on individual ones. NP 50' box 45789 unbuilt in polybag w/ ace trucks SP 40' box 83238 unbuilt but a weight has been glued inside- boxed- no trucks SP 40' box 82240 unbuilt, but roof and roofwalk attached- boxed- w/ace trucks GN 50' box 39189 mostly assembeled- some glue marks- weight glued in- couple broken handrails- boxed- no trucks SOU 40' box 14739- unbuilt- glue from weight inside- boxed w/ace trucks SOU 40' box 14623- roof, roofwalk and frame glued on- boxed- no trucks Penn Mdse 50' box 118844- built up- roofwalk not installed- 2 broken grab irons w/trucks Couple extra roofs, underframes and complete parts sprues Contact me OFFLIST Thanks, Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65320	From: Mellon, Jay	Date: 7/15/2011
Subject: Report from NASG/NMRA Convention (X2011)

Here is my report on the combined NMRA/NASG convention held in Sacramento, CA last week. The usual caveats apply. This report is not intended to be all inclusive for the entire convention. S Scale Layout Tour. We started off early on Wednesday (7/6) with a brief bus ride from the convention center to the Amtrak station. From there, we enjoyed our train ride from Sacramento to Richmond (north end of SF Bay). I am interested in modeling a petroleum refinery facility; this portion of the trip took us through areas with good views of prototype operations. From Richmond, we boarded a BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) train bound for Fremont. John Gibson did a masterful job of keeping the tour group from getting separated during various transportation transitions (entropy never quits!). From there, we boarded another tour bus to take us to Los Altos and the New York Central layout of Ed Loizeaux. I had seen pictures of his layout in various publications over the years. I had the distinct impression that his layout was physically larger than it really is. He has done a nice job of integrating various scenes into his layout. I could have easily spent a couple of more hours there absorbing all of the detailed modeling. However, I do not envy operators who have to negotiate those "duck-unders" (crawl-unders?) on a regular basis. Next, we visited Don Harper's Sn3 layout. This layout demonstrated how to get some nice modeling into a fairly small space. Finally, we were off to Lodi to see Arden Goehring's Union Pacific layout. There are not many S scale layouts large enough to run 30-car reefer blocks. This one can. All in all, it was a very pleasurable tour day, despite an inefficient AC system in the afternoon tour bus. Hey, we could have been in 95F (80 degree dew point) air, right? S Welcoming Social. This was a pleasant soiree allowing S folk to catch up with old friends and meet some new ones, all while enjoying a strawberry shortcake dessert and coffee. In addition, Stephen Priest, editor of the NMRA magazine, provided us with an overview of his company which provides different levels of assistance in bringing commercial modeling projects to fruition. S Vendor Room. There was "pretty slim pickins" for the S attendees at this convention. This situation was probably due mostly to production snafus caused by the "Chinese situation". Doug Peck of Port Lines Hobbies had a large display of items. Andy Malette of MLW Services was there promoting his new CNR reefer kit. Pine Canyon Scale Models had a display; they have been busy increasing the inventory levels of some structure kits that have been out of production for a while. In addition, they are looking to bring some new kits to the S market. Lee Johnson was promoting the S X2011 convention car (SP gondola prototype). A test shot of the car body was available for viewing...details looked good. They are still taking orders, if interested. Several S folk were selling off excess inventory from their personal collections. In addition, Ron Sebastian of DesPlaines Hobbies had a booth in the National Train Show with plenty of his S rolling stock to show off, as well as a test shot of the SD-45 project (production schedule not yet released). S Model Contest. Only two models were entered in the contest...both were bridges. There was some beautiful work in those models, especially the operational bascule bridge. I understand why S attendees who travel by plane or train do not bring models (severe space constraints) for the contest. But, surely some of those who travel by car could have shared their modeling efforts with the rest of us. There was a "display only" option for those reticent to enter the contest. Clinics. One major advantage to attending a joint NMRA/NASG convention is the abundance of modeling expertise available on a wide variety of subjects. Jamie Bothwell highlighted possibilities on adding Pullman Service to our modeling operations. I attended a clinic focused on repair of brass steam locos. Andy Malette gave us an overview of his soldering techniques when building brass models. And Roger Nulton took us through his weathering procedures for freight cars. National Train Show. From my experience, this was a BIG train show. I was informed that, by NMRA standards, it was not as big as usual. Never-the-less, there was lots to see. My main goal in attending the NTS was to replace my lost Bragdon weathering materials. I was successful. And, there were many layouts set up for public viewing, including 6 of the S persuasion. One of the first I viewed was the beautiful Sn3 display layout of PBL. Both the San Diego S Gaugers and Rocky Mountain HiRailers (Lookout Junction) set up their layouts to wow show attendees, especially the kids. They are to be commended for their efforts to show off S model railroading fun. For the historically-oriented, the renovated Sibley store layout featuring all AF products was on display. And, not to forget the scale fans, the BASS (Bay Area S Scalers) layout featured some gorgeous SP models; the NASG switching layout was close by. In addition, I was very impressed with the modeling efforts displayed on an On30 "freemo" style layout. NASG Business Meeting/auction/banquet. There was not a quorum of officers present, so the meeting was not "official". There was some discussion of financial/ election issues. The annual meeting for 2012 will be held in Chattanooga, TN. More information regarding this convention will be forthcoming during the next 9 months. As usual, Jaime Bothwell kept us entertained during the live auction. The banquet was held in the California State RR Museum that was reserved for exclusive browsing by attendees. My discussion with the docent in the RPO car was most enlightening. Also, the toy train displays upstairs have been greatly expanded and improved since I last saw them (11 years ago). We S attendees all owe a round of thanks and appreciation to Ed Loizeaux, Lee Johnson, and all others who helped plan and implement this coordinated NASG/NMRA convention of 2011. Jay Mellon New Orleans, LA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65321	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 7/15/2011
Subject: Re: Report from NASG/NMRA Convention (X2011)

Jay, gave a great report. I thoroughly enjoyed being with him and with the other "S" guys at the convention. The comraderie was great. My favorite event was seeing Ed Loizeaux's fabulous layout. The time we had there was short and I wish we could have stayed a couple of hours and had an operating session. I also enjoyed seeing all the "S" at the National Train Show. "S" was well represented with both scale and high rail moduler layouts. The best module at the NTS was an HO club from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. Their scenery was magnificent and there were lots of operating, lighted signals. There were lots of vehicles on the roads including two "Faller" moving vehicles (a bus and a DHL truck) which they said were very, very pricey. I hope that Utube videos will be available for all these modulers setups soon. I have enjoyed all the NASG conventions I have been to but this was the best. I say this partly because of all the tours, both rail and non-rail, that the location provided, including SF Bay, the wine country, the CSRM, and lots of other attractions. My wife and I thoroughly enjoyed a bus tour to Portola with railroad historians to tell about the SP line across Donner on the first part of the trip and to tell about the WP Feather River line on the return trip. But the biggest advantage of having a joint convention with the NMRA is the opportunity to attend clinics presented by real experts, including some of our NASG guys. It was the DCC clinics that I tried to take maximum advantage of, especially those dealing with signalling. All of these clinics that I attended were outstanding. The guys really knew their stuff and they were great presenters. I would love it if the NASG planned all of their conventions joint with the NMRA. I know that cannot happen in the next couple of years but I hope the planners will consider that in the future. We will need to provide our guys (NASG) some special hats or shirts to help us identify each other. Special thanks to Ed Loizeaux for a really superb job in chairing the NASG part of the convention. And to Lee Johnson, John Gibson, and others who helped make this event such a success. THANKS TO ALL OF YOU. - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN In a message dated 7/15/2011 10:13:23 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jay.mellon@... writes: Here is my report on the combined NMRA/NASG convention held in Sacramento, CA last week. The usual caveats apply. This report is not intended to be all inclusive for the entire convention. S Scale Layout Tour. We started off early on Wednesday (7/6) with a brief bus ride from the convention center to the Amtrak station. From there, we enjoyed our train ride from Sacramento to Richmond (north end of SF Bay). I am interested in modeling a petroleum refinery facility; this portion of the trip took us through areas with good views of prototype operations. From Richmond, we boarded a BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) train bound for Fremont. John Gibson did a masterful job of keeping the tour group from getting separated during various transportation transitions (entropy never quits!). From there, we boarded another tour bus to take us to Los Altos and the New York Central layout of Ed Loizeaux. I had seen pictures of his layout in various publications over the years. I had the distinct impression that his layout was physically larger than it really is. He has done a nice job of integrating various scenes into his layout. I could have easily spent a couple of more hours there absorbing all of the detailed modeling. However, I do not envy operators who have to negotiate those "duck-unders" (crawl-unders?) on a regular basis. Next, we visited Don Harper's Sn3 layout. This layout demonstrated how to get some nice modeling into a fairly small space. Finally, we were off to Lodi to see Arden Goehring's Union Pacific layout. There are not many S scale layouts large enough to run 30-car reefer blocks. This one can. All in all, it was a very pleasurable tour day, despite an inefficient AC system in the afternoon tour bus. Hey, we could have been in 95F (80 degree dew point) air, right? S Welcoming Social. This was a pleasant soiree allowing S folk to catch up with old friends and meet some new ones, all while enjoying a strawberry shortcake dessert and coffee. In addition, Stephen Priest, editor of the NMRA magazine, provided us with an overview of his company which provides different levels of assistance in bringing commercial modeling projects to fruition. S Vendor Room. There was "pretty slim pickins" for the S attendees at this convention. This situation was probably due mostly to production snafus caused by the "Chinese situation". Doug Peck of Port Lines Hobbies had a large display of items. Andy Malette of MLW Services was there promoting his new CNR reefer kit. Pine Canyon Scale Models had a display; they have been busy increasing the inventory levels of some structure kits that have been out of production for a while. In addition, they are looking to bring some new kits to the S market. Lee Johnson was promoting the S X2011 convention car (SP gondola prototype). A test shot of the car body was available for viewing...details looked good. They are still taking orders, if interested. Several S folk were selling off excess inventory from their personal collections. In addition, Ron Sebastian of DesPlaines Hobbies had a booth in the National Train Show with plenty of his S rolling stock to show off, as well as a test shot of the SD-45 project (production schedule not yet released). S Model Contest. Only two models were entered in the contest...both were bridges. There was some beautiful work in those models, especially the operational bascule bridge. I understand why S attendees who travel by plane or train do not bring models (severe space constraints) for the contest. But, surely some of those who travel by car could have shared their modeling efforts with the rest of us. There was a "display only" option for those reticent to enter the contest. Clinics. One major advantage to attending a joint NMRA/NASG convention is the abundance of modeling expertise available on a wide variety of subjects. Jamie Bothwell highlighted possibilities on adding Pullman Service to our modeling operations. I attended a clinic focused on repair of brass steam locos. Andy Malette gave us an overview of his soldering techniques when building brass models. And Roger Nulton took us through his weathering procedures for freight cars. National Train Show. From my experience, this was a BIG train show. I was informed that, by NMRA standards, it was not as big as usual. Never-the-less, there was lots to see. My main goal in attending the NTS was to replace my lost Bragdon weathering materials. I was successful. And, there were many layouts set up for public viewing, including 6 of the S persuasion. One of the first I viewed was the beautiful Sn3 display layout of PBL. Both the San Diego S Gaugers and Rocky Mountain HiRailers (Lookout Junction) set up their layouts to wow show attendees, especially the kids. They are to be commended for their efforts to show off S model railroading fun. For the historically-oriented, the renovated Sibley store layout featuring all AF products was on display. And, not to forget the scale fans, the BASS (Bay Area S Scalers) layout featured some gorgeous SP models; the NASG switching layout was close by. In addition, I was very impressed with the modeling efforts displayed on an On30 "freemo" style layout. NASG Business Meeting/auction/banquet. There was not a quorum of officers present, so the meeting was not "official". There was some discussion of financial/ election issues. The annual meeting for 2012 will be held in Chattanooga, TN. More information regarding this convention will be forthcoming during the next 9 months. As usual, Jaime Bothwell kept us entertained during the live auction. The banquet was held in the California State RR Museum that was reserved for exclusive browsing by attendees. My discussion with the docent in the RPO car was most enlightening. Also, the toy train displays upstairs have been greatly expanded and improved since I last saw them (11 years ago). We S attendees all owe a round of thanks and appreciation to Ed Loizeaux, Lee Johnson, and all others who helped plan and implement this coordinated NASG/NMRA convention of 2011. Jay Mellon New Orleans, LA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65322	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 7/15/2011
Subject: Incorrect Website Address

Hi Group.  I gave the wrong address in my last message about new AF product on my website.  My website address is www.americanflyertrains4u.com.  Thanks. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65323	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 7/15/2011
Subject: American Flyer Offerings

Hi Group members.  I have added several new AF cars to my website.  They include: 989 Northwestern Reefer with slight scratches in Northwestern logo for $145.00 24048 M&STL Boxcar with one missing nib and usual playwear for $80.00 915 AFL operating Flatcar with green Renwal gas truck at $70.00 Very nice 25019 Operating Milk car with box, platform, button/wire, 4 milk cans connector and instructions, C-7 plus for $275.00 You can view the cars on my website, www/americanflyertrains4u.com and contact me through the website or Offlist.   Thanks and have a great day. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65324	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/15/2011
Subject: For Sale: New GarGraves straight rigid track with wood ties

I'm selling this for a guy that visited our club. 3 pieces 37" long, one 21-3/8" long.  New, never used.  I don't know whether it is tinplate or stainless; can someone explain how to tell the difference? I don't know the going prices for this track, but the GarGraves website lists the 37" pieces at about $11 each.  So is $33 plus shipping a reasonable asking price?  That gives you the 21" piece for free.  Make offer. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65325	From: Dave	Date: 7/15/2011
Subject: Slope Back Tender Kit

We have another poll started concerning our newest up coming tender kit. Please vote if you get a chance. Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave, LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65326	From: barb	Date: 7/16/2011
Subject: X2011 reports

Thanks to both Jay and Earl for their great reports of the convention in Sacto. They help those of us who were unable to attend to get a better "feel" as to the happenings. I agree and hope there will be postings on youtube so we can see more. Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65327	From: alsflyer	Date: 7/17/2011
Subject: American Flyer 355 Baldwin Diesel Locomotive Shell

I am in need of an American Flyer 355 Baldwin Diesel Locomotive Shell that may have damage on the shell except no damage to the first 3 inches of the front of the shell. Anyone one who may have a damaged shell, please contact me off-list. Anyone who has a pretty close to perfect shell who wants to sell their shell, I also have a need for one. Contact me off-lsit. Thanks, Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65328	From: Dale Smith	Date: 7/17/2011
Subject: American Flyer Displays website address.

The American Flyer Displays website has been reachable for the last year at either www.americanflyerdisplays.info or www.americanflyerdisplays.org. I saw no need to keep the .info domain name registered and let it expire, so If any of you have had trouble reaching the American Flyer Displays website just change your bookmark to http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org <http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org>and all will be fine. I have been really busy this last month with family obligations and the TCA and NASG/NMRA conventions, but hope to soon have some additions to the website.including a new video of the layout from Sibley's department store in Rochester, NY. Dale Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65329	From: richs009	Date: 7/17/2011
Subject: X2011 'newbie' report

I could only spend one day (Friday, July 8) at the NMRA/NASG/Natl Train show. Sacramento is a quick 70 mile drive up I-80 from the SF Bay Area, so I got there in time for a one day registration, a fast tour of the Train Show, a couple of clinics, then back to the Train show. I'm sorry I didn't run back up on Saturday for another tour through the train show... First, hats off to Ed Loizeaux and his NMRA and NASG colleagues -- from my one-day perspective, it was quite a convention and show and very well done - especially to a first-timer. Thanks Ed and everyone... I was told that there were over 2000 registrants. It certainly had the look and feel of many of the scientific conventions I've attended - just different kinds of 'toys' - trains instead of scientific instrumentation. The two clinics I attended were well-attended, and, for the most part, well done (LED lighting and working with plastics). Lots of good information. I learned, for example, there are pre-made flexible strips containing surface mount LEDs that can be cut into 4 or 5 LED sections that have all the necessary resistors, etc. Just solder on some leads and they are perfect for car lighting. My only complaint was the 'microfont' used in the powerpoint charts for the LED talk. Hopefully the charts will be posted on the NMRA website. The train show - where to begin. Boy, talk about being a kid in a candy store... My first task was to find the six S-gauge layouts (the Sacto convention center is pretty large). I particularly wanted to see the old "Sibley Department store" layout, which I had only seen on Youtube. Looking back at my pictures and the list of displays, I can only account for seeing five of the S layouts - "Sibley", the three "flyer + scale" club layouts (San Diego, Southern CA and the Rocky Mountain folks) and the Bay Area S-scale layout. Not sure what I'm missing... A quick rundown of the layouts - all very nice and great fun: Sibley: small compared with most everyone else, but lots of action. When I returned in the afternoon, they had four trains running on three tracks (an oval and a folded 'dogbone' interlaced with a slightly distorted figure 8). I shot some video and stills and once I run then through iMovie, I'll post it (assuming its any good). Some of you may have seen a very similar layout on Youtube - search for 'buddy aaron's S gauge layout' or 'just aaron's american flyer trains' - the same layout with more scenery in the second posting. That layout has one more outer oval - and it may be longer overall - plus a few extra turnouts. I mentioned this layout to the "Sibley" owners - they had not seen it, so if any of you have an email address for them, send them the titles - I'm sure they'd like to see the layout. San Diego: This is basically an oval "shelf" layout, with scenery and sections with lots of Flyer accessories. Nicely done and because it was right across the aisle from the big Lego train layout, the kids were attracted to the fact that there were buttons to push to operate the accessories... A mixture of AF, SHS and AM engines and rolling stock. Southern CA: A fairly big layout - some scenery and lots of accessories and, for example, an operating carnival. This layout was characterized by these long, straight sections of track that most of us can only dream about... They also had an AF bridge set up with hinges and a frame so one could go from 'inside' to outside the layout. Several of us got the grand tour of the metal framing, etc. used to build it. Rocky Mountain (aka Lookout Mountain): also a large layout on two levels with lots of engines and rolling stock and an operating turntable and roundhouse. Also lots of accessories, with the second level containing an airport... The Bay Area S-Scale folks had a nice layout, complete with scenery, etc., and not an AF car or accessory in sight! I'm not sure whether they are modeling a specific time period or railroad, but what I saw were three SP engines from the 1940's-1950s - a beautiful River Raisin version of a GS-4, a cab-forward (4-8-8-2) and at least an A-B set of F - units. Lots of HO and N scale stuff - including narrow gauge versions - a lot of terrific artistry in the scenery and buildings. The Z-gauge layouts were something else - obviously at that scale one can pack in a lot of track, scenery and operations in a small space (these were actually big layouts) - its like looking at the world from 15,000 ft. At the other end of the size spectrum, there was a #1 gauge layout (1:32, I think) with some very beautiful engines and rolling stock - apparently these are battery powered and radio controlled. Finally, in my tour of the Show, I did not see any O-gauge Lionel - several O-gauge/O-scale layouts but no three-rail anything. In fact, among the vendors, Lionel was notable by its absence. Since this was my first such show, I have no idea whether Lionel typically comes to these kinds of things... In terms of S-gauge folks, the Des Plaines folks were there, but SHS and AM were not. Aside from the purveyors of 'trains' - MTH, Athearn, Bachmann, Marklin, etc. - it seemed to me there were a lot of folks with electronics of one one kind or another or laser cut building kits... A lot of neat stuff. - Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65330	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/17/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/18/2011, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 65331	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 7/17/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer 355 Baldwin Diesel Locomotive Shell

Hi Check E bay there is a 355 shell up for sale thanks stan ----- Original Message ----- From: alsflyer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 2:49 AM Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer 355 Baldwin Diesel Locomotive Shell I am in need of an American Flyer 355 Baldwin Diesel Locomotive Shell that may have damage on the shell except no damage to the first 3 inches of the front of the shell. Anyone one who may have a damaged shell, please contact me off-list. Anyone who has a pretty close to perfect shell who wants to sell their shell, I also have a need for one. Contact me off-lsit. Thanks, Al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65332	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/17/2011
Subject: Roller Coaster

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjW_R1EGjQQ&NR=1 This is a video I shot of a roller coaster at a amusement park. I think it is train related since a roller coaster operates on two rails, not three, and many are on layouts. But this roller coaster is a little different than most. It is nothing fancy like the super duper new ones, as this dates back to 1919, just a old fashion roller coaster. BUT, it is beyond the outfield wall for the Double A Altoona Curve baseball team. Notice how the game is going on as the coaster moves about. And most of you thought Altoona was just about some horseshoe curve track. We go up to Altoona once a year for baseball. And then you can check out the other baseball video for AL Toona and State College Spikes Cat day activities. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65333	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/18/2011
Subject: Most Represented Prototype Road

During the S gauge chat, I asked the question - which prototype road was most represented by postwar Flyer? One of the first answers was Reading since it was on so many Atlantics and cabooses, but even with all the variations it really only added up to one type/model of prototype loco and one caboose. UP was mentioned, as were a couple of others Later on someone mentioned New Haven, since it was on the coaches, baggage cars, mail car and baggage cars, as well as a box car and three (different type?) Pacifics What say you?? Brady Burdge www.americanflyerlines.net

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65334	From: frank emiro	Date: 7/18/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road

I would say most likely, The New Haven. Your correct about the coaches, baggage,  and  I would add some of the heavy weights might have been NH ( like the Observation HWT). Do not forget the Branford Diner, Mystic Station, the Pa's, and yes the EP 5's. NH was the only Rail Road to have 10 EP 5's.   The only steam engine I see that was made by AC Gilbert that was a New Haven, was the i-4 Pacific. As a note, AC drove under or over the New Haven on his way to and from work. He also more then likely took the New Haven to NYC on visits to the Hall of Science and 200 Fifth Ave in NYC to the Toy Building at fifth ave and 23rd street.    Frank R. EMIRO --- On Sun, 7/17/11, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: From: Brady Burdge <brady@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Most Represented Prototype Road To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 17, 2011, 10:13 PM   During the S gauge chat, I asked the question - which prototype road was most represented by postwar Flyer? One of the first answers was Reading since it was on so many Atlantics and cabooses, but even with all the variations it really only added up to one type/model of prototype loco and one caboose. UP was mentioned, as were a couple of others Later on someone mentioned New Haven, since it was on the coaches, baggage cars, mail car and baggage cars, as well as a box car and three (different type?) Pacifics What say you?? Brady Burdge www.americanflyerlines.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65335	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 7/18/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road

" The only steam engine I see that was made by AC Gilbert that was a New Haven, was the i-4 Pacific."   The 342/343 switcher, although stamped for Nickel Plate, was a NH prototype, and IIRC the cab number was "0342"   - John Marganski    [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65336	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/18/2011
Subject: Alphabet RR's

Last week, Linda and I did our annual baseball trip, short this year, Frederick, Hagerstown, Altoona and State College, all minor league teams, seats for 11 or less all seat right behind the 3rd base dugout, a soda was 3 bucks, as in the majors they are 7. Anyway, on the way up to Altoona we stopped at Big Pool, right below Hancock, MD (no association with John) as Big Pool was a natural depression used by the C&O Canal. Also at Big Pool is Fort Frederick, a reproduction life size of a fort built here in 1756. They had a little museum and they had a little bit on the W MD RR, as the W MD RR had a line right along the canal in Big Pool. It had a bit about the C&O and B&O being called the alphabet RR’s, as when they ended their names, that was the end of the alphabet line’s, as the connection to the W MD RR was they all became one in time. Also, in Hagerstown at City Park is a RR display of some real W MD RR items. It was closed at the time we got there, but we could see a very nice looking WMD steam engine, as two men where working on it. It is a Pacific. They have lots of Cabooses, not sure about other cars, looks like a station museum too. I am sure there is a website for this if you Google Hagerstown Railroad Museum or something like that. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65337	From: Herbert	Date: 7/18/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road

And don't forget Guilford. Herb W --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, frank emiro <femiro2002@...> wrote: > > > > > > >  I would say most likely, The New Haven. Your correct about the coaches, baggage,  and  I would add some of the heavy weights might have been NH ( like the Observation HWT). Do not forget the Branford Diner, Mystic Station, the Pa's, and yes the EP 5's. NH was the only Rail Road to have 10 EP 5's.  >  The only steam engine I see that was made by AC Gilbert that was a New Haven, was the i-4 Pacific. As a note, AC drove under or over the New Haven on his way to and from work. He also more then likely took the New Haven to NYC on visits to the Hall of Science and 200 Fifth Ave in NYC to the Toy Building at fifth ave and 23rd street.  > >   > Frank R. EMIRO > > --- On Sun, 7/17/11, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: > > > From: Brady Burdge <brady@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Most Represented Prototype Road > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, July 17, 2011, 10:13 PM > > >   > > > > During the S gauge chat, I asked the question - which prototype road was most represented by postwar Flyer? One of the first answers was Reading since it was on so many Atlantics and cabooses, but even with all the variations it really only added up to one type/model of prototype loco and one caboose. > > UP was mentioned, as were a couple of others > > Later on someone mentioned New Haven, since it was on the coaches, baggage cars, mail car and baggage cars, as well as a box car and three (different type?) Pacifics > > What say you?? > > Brady Burdge > > www.americanflyerlines.net > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65338	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/18/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/18/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Monday July 18, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65339	From: Dave	Date: 7/18/2011
Subject: NEW PRODUCTS UPDATE

For those of you that have been patientially waiting the wait is almost over. I have been notified to expect the first shipment of our new UNIVERSAL 6 WHEEL FULL CONTACT TRUCKS by Tuesday 07-26-2011. Our NEW KIT for making an A&P tender into a slope back is on scchedule and should be ready for delivery the first of August. We will also be introducing a NEW KIT called "EXTEND-A-TENDER which will allow the modeler to lengthen AF A&P tenders by approx. 3/4 to 1-1/2". This kit will include an external back up light housing cast in place suitable for wiring with an LED. The chassis will also be included (no trucks). All parts for this kit are made of cast metal. Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave, LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65340	From: Frank	Date: 7/18/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road

I left that for you to do, :) Sent from my iPhone On Jul 18, 2011, at 3:24 PM, "Herbert" <hwass@...> wrote: > And don't forget Guilford. > Herb W > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, frank emiro <femiro2002@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  I would say most likely, The New Haven. Your correct about the coaches, baggage, and I would add some of the heavy weights might have been NH ( like the Observation HWT). Do not forget the Branford Diner, Mystic Station, the Pa's, and yes the EP 5's. NH was the only Rail Road to have 10 EP 5's. > >  The only steam engine I see that was made by AC Gilbert that was a New Haven, was the i-4 Pacific. As a note, AC drove under or over the New Haven on his way to and from work. He also more then likely took the New Haven to NYC on visits to the Hall of Science and 200 Fifth Ave in NYC to the Toy Building at fifth ave and 23rd street. > > > >  > > Frank R. EMIRO > > > > --- On Sun, 7/17/11, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: > > > > > > From: Brady Burdge <brady@...> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Most Represented Prototype Road > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, July 17, 2011, 10:13 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > During the S gauge chat, I asked the question - which prototype road was most represented by postwar Flyer? One of the first answers was Reading since it was on so many Atlantics and cabooses, but even with all the variations it really only added up to one type/model of prototype loco and one caboose. > > > > UP was mentioned, as were a couple of others > > > > Later on someone mentioned New Haven, since it was on the coaches, baggage cars, mail car and baggage cars, as well as a box car and three (different type?) Pacifics > > > > What say you?? > > > > Brady Burdge > > > > www.americanflyerlines.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65341	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 7/18/2011
Subject: Re: Alphabet RR's

Mike: Are you sure you got that right? There was the "Alphabet Route", a routing from Chicago or St. Louis to Boston, named after the various roads that made up the route. They were the Nickel Plate, Wheeling & Lake Erie, Pittsburg & West Virginia, Western Maryland, Reading, Central of New Jersey, Lehigh & Hudson River, and New Haven. This was in competition with the PRR or NYC. Their "hotshot" trains were the Alpha Jets. They were "run through" freights, not being classified en route. They did manage to snag a bit of business for a while. ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65342	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/18/2011
Subject: Most represented prototype railroad

Many of the steam locos done by Gilbert were variations on the widely used USRA (United States Railway Administration)designs. The USRA took over American railroads during the First World War until 1920 because the railroads wouldn't work together to expedite military shipments. As part of that, they designated certain locomotive designs to be the only types built during that time, the first time since the mid-1800s that the railroads couldn't order "customized" locos. These designs turned out to be so well done and successful, that the USRA drawings were followed for many years afterward. Although said to be a "CNW Pacific" or a "New Haven Pacific," or an "NKP 0-8-0" they were originally USRA designs. Even the plentiful Gilbert Atlantic, often said to be a "Reading Atlantic," was used by the Erie, Jersey Central, and several others who used the wide Wooten firebox design. The 4-8-4 was a standard ALCO design (American Locomotive Company) used by Union Pacific, New York Central, Wabash, and about a dozen others. Gilbert DID make unique engines, the K5 was a Pennsy engine (only 2 K-5's were built) and the Hudson was a model of the NYC J series 4-6-4. But even these were not single road engines. New Haven and Boston & Albany also got J series Hudsons, and the more plentiful Pennsy K4's were used by the Long Island and the New York & Long Branch. Therefore, it's really hard to say a certain engine belongs to a particular road. And then there are the passenger and freight cars, few of which were single road designs. The heavyweights and "Budd" style streamline cars were used by many roads, but the New Haven was the only road that had those unique Harriman style roof, rounded corner windowed passenger cars. Therefore, counting the prototype designs is probably not going to work. And so, are we counting Gilbert production numbers? If so, the many "Reading" Atlantics and cabooses probably rate second after American Flyer Lines. Even so, New Haven was a widely favored roadname for Flyer too, so I'm just guessing. I think we'll also find that railroads East of the Mississippi were more widely represented, simply because of the population location of that era. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65343	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 7/19/2011
Subject: Re: Most represented prototype railroad

and he notes - I believe some of your facts may be in error. Neither the New Haven nor the C&NW owned USRA Pacifics. Both wheel arrangements pre-dated USRA by several years. You are correct in that the AF Atlantic does not owe its unique appearance to a Wooten firebox but the location of air pumps, cab design and pilot details did make them unique to the Reading. The "Nickel Plate Road" did not own USRA 0-8-0s but they did have improved copies built in the 20's as did several other roads. But again details such as headlight placement, domes and the superheater cover did tend to identify them with the NKP. The UP 4-8-4s were unique in that they did not resemble NYC's Niagaras (nor any other road) except for the wheel arrangement. The prototype Gilbert used was UP's FEF1 which had the twelve wheel semi-Vanderbilt tender. The Niagara's (of course) had pedestal tenders and were much larger and could generate as much as 6,000 HP making them the most powerful 4-8-4 ever built. The 25 Wabash locos were built in 1930/31 by Baldwin and were much smaller. The J3 Hudson is in a class by itself and most likely was selected as a competitor for Lionel's prewar version (which was a J1). The New Haven Hudsons were Baldwin products (1936) and were semi-streamlined and had little resemblance to the J3. You are correct in that the B&A had similar Hudsons (J2s) but they had smaller drivers (spoked), square sandboxes and four axle tenders. Maury Romer told me (a lo-o-ong time ago) that the K5 was selected because it had a big firebox and didn't need a new motor. Otherwise it might have been a K4. "What kid could tell the difference anyway!" (His words). I'm surprised no one has mentioned the B&O "Royal Blue" Pacific. No other road had anything like it when it went into service in 1935. It did and still does, identify with the "Beano" The "New Haven" passenger cars were built by Osgood-Bradley (then a division of Pullman) at Worcester, Mass. But they weren't unique to that road as the B&M among others bought them too. Here's a link to the roster: http://www.railwayclassics.com/amflyer.htm Gilbert made them in stamped metal in the 30's and redid them in plastic after the War. They wouldn't be described as having "Harriman style" roofs though - too low an arc and the cars were only used on Harriman controlled roads (UP, SP IC etc). Looking at AF's mid 50's roster it would appear that they didn't favor any particular road or (for that matter) a geographical area (as they did in pre-war and post-war years. They had showrooms in New York, Chicago an Denver and their products were sold throughout the U.S. and Canada so products such as the Santa Fe Diesels, UP Northerns (to name a few) could and did sell well in the midwest (and West) as Hudsons and K5s sold in the East. You are correct in that the larger population in the East was where emphasis was placed but the advent of television brought their products into homes from coast to coast. While the steam locos were limited to a few roads, the diesels were more generic and attracted buyers in the West by adding a different paint scheme. Adding freight cars with real railroad names instead of the AF lettering in post-war years must have been good for sales. BTW - painting the ubiquitous Reading caboose to UP colors may have protected them from getting stomped by yours truly. They had me fooled (as Maury would say) for a while - but that's okay, there's plenty of red ones left! Raleigh in Muggeigh Maineigh... At 06:57 PM 7/18/2011, mrstumpy50 wrote: > > >Many of the steam locos done by Gilbert were variations on the >widely used USRA (United States Railway Administration)designs. >The USRA took over American railroads during the First World War >until 1920 because the railroads wouldn't work together to expedite >military shipments. As part of that, they designated certain >locomotive designs to be the only types built during that time, the >first time since the mid-1800s that the railroads couldn't order >"customized" locos. These designs turned out to be so well done and >successful, that the USRA drawings were followed for many years afterward. >Although said to be a "CNW Pacific" or a "New Haven Pacific," or an >"NKP 0-8-0" they were originally USRA designs. Even the plentiful >Gilbert Atlantic, often said to be a "Reading Atlantic," was used by >the Erie, Jersey Central, and several others who used the wide >Wooten firebox design. The 4-8-4 was a standard ALCO design >(American Locomotive Company) used by Union Pacific, New York >Central, Wabash, and about a dozen others. >Gilbert DID make unique engines, the K5 was a Pennsy engine (only 2 >K-5's were built) and the Hudson was a model of the NYC J series >4-6-4. But even these were not single road engines. New Haven and >Boston & Albany also got J series Hudsons, and the more plentiful >Pennsy K4's were used by the Long Island and the New York & Long Branch. >Therefore, it's really hard to say a certain engine belongs to a >particular road. >And then there are the passenger and freight cars, few of which were >single road designs. The heavyweights and "Budd" style streamline >cars were used by many roads, but the New Haven was the only road >that had those unique Harriman style roof, rounded corner windowed >passenger cars. >Therefore, counting the prototype designs is probably not going to work. >And so, are we counting Gilbert production numbers? If so, the many >"Reading" Atlantics and cabooses probably rate second after American >Flyer Lines. Even so, New Haven was a widely favored roadname for >Flyer too, so I'm just guessing. >I think we'll also find that railroads East of the Mississippi were >more widely represented, simply because of the population location of that era. >Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65344	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 7/19/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road

and he notes - On the New Haven (during the steam/diesel transition era) diesel numbers began with an '0' so "0342" would not be an 0-8-0 which (I believe) were 3700 series. There are several differences between the AF and the New Haven 0-8-0. Of course AF may have taken some liberties but they usually picked a prototype for a model, at least in the early days. Raleigh in Humidous Mainerous... At 11:48 AM 7/18/2011, john isn't eddie anymore wrote: > >" The only steam engine I see that was made by AC Gilbert that was a >New Haven, was the i-4 Pacific." The 342/343 switcher, although >stamped for Nickel Plate, was a NH prototype, and IIRC the cab >number was "0342" - John Marganski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65345	From: cvlk	Date: 7/19/2011
Subject: Re: Most represented prototype railroad

Huh???? Not true. The New Haven, C&NW, PRR, were not derived from USRA designs. Under the shrouding, the B&O "Royal Blue" was a President-class Pacific which was close to a USRA Light Pacific but with B&O improvements. The Reading Atlantic is a Reading Atlantic. The rest of the Wooten fire-box mentioned types are the designs of the separate railroads. The Union Pacific would be surprised to find that their FEF 4-8-4 was a standard ALCO design.... some features of the machine may have made it into other road's Northerns but the plans were pure UP. ALL of the diecast Flyer locomotives were decent copies of their prototypes... NYC, RDG, PRR, C&NW, NYNH&H, B&O, UP, NKP. Only the 0-8-0 could have been offered for a bunch of legitimate roadnames beyond NKP. The two 4-4-0s were caricatures and I'm not sure what the prototype was for the 0-6-0T. Charlie Vlk ----- Original Message ----- From: mrstumpy50 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 5:57 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Most represented prototype railroad Many of the steam locos done by Gilbert were variations on the widely used USRA (United States Railway Administration)designs. The USRA took over American railroads during the First World War until 1920 because the railroads wouldn't work together to expedite military shipments. As part of that, they designated certain locomotive designs to be the only types built during that time, the first time since the mid-1800s that the railroads couldn't order "customized" locos. These designs turned out to be so well done and successful, that the USRA drawings were followed for many years afterward. Although said to be a "CNW Pacific" or a "New Haven Pacific," or an "NKP 0-8-0" they were originally USRA designs. Even the plentiful Gilbert Atlantic, often said to be a "Reading Atlantic," was used by the Erie, Jersey Central, and several others who used the wide Wooten firebox design. The 4-8-4 was a standard ALCO design (American Locomotive Company) used by Union Pacific, New York Central, Wabash, and about a dozen others. Gilbert DID make unique engines, the K5 was a Pennsy engine (only 2 K-5's were built) and the Hudson was a model of the NYC J series 4-6-4. But even these were not single road engines. New Haven and Boston & Albany also got J series Hudsons, and the more plentiful Pennsy K4's were used by the Long Island and the New York & Long Branch. Therefore, it's really hard to say a certain engine belongs to a particular road. And then there are the passenger and freight cars, few of which were single road designs. The heavyweights and "Budd" style streamline cars were used by many roads, but the New Haven was the only road that had those unique Harriman style roof, rounded corner windowed passenger cars. Therefore, counting the prototype designs is probably not going to work. And so, are we counting Gilbert production numbers? If so, the many "Reading" Atlantics and cabooses probably rate second after American Flyer Lines. Even so, New Haven was a widely favored roadname for Flyer too, so I'm just guessing. I think we'll also find that railroads East of the Mississippi were more widely represented, simply because of the population location of that era. Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65346	From: Frank	Date: 7/19/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road

The "0" in front of New Haven engines was there to define "oil". It was only on their diesels. Some steam and diesels had the same numbers and the 0 told you if it was diesel or steam. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2011, at 2:13 AM, Rollain Mercier <raleigh15@...> wrote: > and he notes - > > On the New Haven (during the steam/diesel transition era) diesel > numbers began with an '0' so "0342" would not be an 0-8-0 which (I > believe) were 3700 series. There are several differences between the > AF and the New Haven 0-8-0. Of course AF may have taken some > liberties but they usually picked a prototype for a model, at least > in the early days. > > Raleigh in Humidous Mainerous... > > At 11:48 AM 7/18/2011, john isn't eddie anymore wrote: > > > > >" The only steam engine I see that was made by AC Gilbert that was a > >New Haven, was the i-4 Pacific." The 342/343 switcher, although > >stamped for Nickel Plate, was a NH prototype, and IIRC the cab > >number was "0342" - John Marganski > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65347	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/19/2011
Subject: Locomotive prototypes

Gentlemen, all that you say is true. Each railroad did add their distinctive details to the USRA's generic designs, particularly after 1920. And UP's 4-8-4's differed from NYC's locos in many details, but both were based on the standard ALCO 4-8-4 designs. Pennsy stretched the firebox and added Caproni valve gear to the basic K4 to make the K5. B&O and others put shrouding over their existing Pacifics to dress them up. However, aside from the various details, many of these engines were based on certain known original designs, not just wheel arrangements, because they were proven. Many were USRA, but others were based on "off the shelf" drawings at Baldwin, ALCO, and Lima, with Lima building the most "customized" locos. That the locomotives look so similar aside from the details belies their beginnings. Take out your copy of Kalmbach's "Guide to North American Steam Locomotives" and compare the difference in details to the base locomotives and that illustrates my thinking. I do not claim to be an expert, just a knowledgeable lifelong fan of steam. As to how close Gilbert locos are to the prototype, I disagree. While MUCH better than Lionel, they are still "toy" trains, not the more accurate "model" trains found in HO scale, especially the brass engines. I was unaware that anyone else bought the Osgood cars aside from New Haven, so thanks for the website. As far as the original discussion, my point was to ask what parameters we were using to count the numbers? I would guess there were more "Reading Atlantics" and "Reading cabooses" produced than any other real roadname simply because there were more Flyer Atlantics and those cabooses produced. And, I'll further guess that there were more American Flyer Lines items made than any real roadname. :-) Stumpy in Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65348	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 7/19/2011
Subject: Re: Locomotive prototypes

Stumpy,      Amen. Correct all the way ;o) Dave     From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 11:00 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Locomotive prototypes   Gentlemen, all that you say is true. Each railroad did add their distinctive details to the USRA's generic designs, particularly after 1920. And UP's 4-8-4's differed from NYC's locos in many details, but both were based on the standard ALCO 4-8-4 designs. Pennsy stretched the firebox and added Caproni valve gear to the basic K4 to make the K5. B&O and others put shrouding over their existing Pacifics to dress them up. However, aside from the various details, many of these engines were based on certain known original designs, not just wheel arrangements, because they were proven. Many were USRA, but others were based on "off the shelf" drawings at Baldwin, ALCO, and Lima, with Lima building the most "customized" locos. That the locomotives look so similar aside from the details belies their beginnings. Take out your copy of Kalmbach's "Guide to North American Steam Locomotives" and compare the difference in details to the base locomotives and that illustrates my thinking. I do not claim to be an expert, just a knowledgeable lifelong fan of steam. As to how close Gilbert locos are to the prototype, I disagree. While MUCH better than Lionel, they are still "toy" trains, not the more accurate "model" trains found in HO scale, especially the brass engines. I was unaware that anyone else bought the Osgood cars aside from New Haven, so thanks for the website. As far as the original discussion, my point was to ask what parameters we were using to count the numbers? I would guess there were more "Reading Atlantics" and "Reading cabooses" produced than any other real roadname simply because there were more Flyer Atlantics and those cabooses produced. And, I'll further guess that there were more American Flyer Lines items made than any real roadname. :-) Stumpy in Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65349	From: Bob	Date: 7/19/2011
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Website Updates & Other News

Good afternoon, all. I hope the summer is going well for you and that you're getting some model railroading done. I just did some updating of the 1:64 Modeling Guide Website. The Spring, 2011 issue (Volume 11, Number 4) is out and I know that 1st Class mail and international subscribers have received their copy. The standard rate US mail subscribers may be receiving theirs by now as well. For non-subscribers, note that only 11 copies remain so if you want one, act fast. From time to time I get questions from standard rate mail subscribers about why it takes so long to receive their issues. Simply put, this is a lower priority class of mail and it takes the US Postal Service longer to process and delivered these pieces. I offer a standard mail subscription rate mainly because it saves me a LOT of money on postage. I have to do a lot of prep work that the USPS usually does to get the discount, but believe me, the savings is worth the work. Regrettably, I did not make it to Sacramento--my car saw to that (hit me up for $2,300 in repairs in May, wiping out the funds I put aside)! From what I have heard and read, it was a great convention. Some attendees have posted a "report" on this and other S lists. I would appreciate it if someone who was there would prepare something for our "From the Observation Lounge" column for the Summer issue, 800-1200 words. Please contact me off list, if you're interested. I also need good photos for inclusion in "Your PicS" section. I see photos posted online all the time, so I know they're out there. Please make sure that the photos are high quality and unaltered by Photoshop or other computer photo enhancement software. I also need some layout profiles. $5 a pop to you, if published. Needless to say, they should not have already been published in the commercial press, or the NASG "Dispatch". Work is continuing on the e-Feature articles that I plan to have available for sale sometime in August. I'll be providing more details about this new product line in the near future. I have a couple of fantastic feature articles in the pipeline for the next couple of issues, but I can always use more. I know I owe a couple of list members some answers on past article inquiries. I haven't forgotten about you! Finally, it's no secret that the advertising revenue that the prior owner enjoyed has been largely absent since I took over the publication. That means that timely subscription renewals are that much more critical. Please renew timely when you receive your renewal invoice. As always, I look forward to hearing from you. Best Regards, Bob Nalbone Editor & Publisher 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65350	From: cvlk	Date: 7/19/2011
Subject: Re: Most represented prototype railroad

Rollain- The NKP did own original USRA 0-8-0s....5 of them that came to them through the lease of the W&LE. And I did mention the B&O "Royal Blue". Not Gilbert and thus not part of this discussion, was the semi-scale Chicago American Flyer O gauge B&O President Pacific which was a USRA - derived design. The Atlantic, "Royal Blue", Hudson, Northern, K5, and 0-8-0 started life as O gauge Gilbert. Your other observations are on the money. Charlie Vlk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65351	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 7/19/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road

and he notes - New Haven's early electrics also had the numeral "0" preceding the road number. It was used to designate "other than steam" and carried on to the diesels. When I started taking photos around South Station back in 1952 I was curious about the numbers and asked an employee. He said "it ain't steam". When the electrics dropped the "0" prefix in 1950 the diesels retained theirs so it is conceivable that the term "oil" became common usage. Raleigh in Steameigh Maneigh... At 09:30 AM 7/19/2011, Frank wrote: > > >The "0" in front of New Haven engines was there to define "oil". It >was only on their diesels. Some steam and diesels had the same >numbers and the 0 told you if it was diesel or steam. > >Sent from my iPhone > >On Jul 19, 2011, at 2:13 AM, Rollain Mercier ><<mailto:raleigh15%40myfairpoint.net>raleigh15@...> wrote: > > > and he notes - > > > > On the New Haven (during the steam/diesel transition era) diesel > > numbers began with an '0' so "0342" would not be an 0-8-0 which (I > > believe) were 3700 series. There are several differences between the > > AF and the New Haven 0-8-0. Of course AF may have taken some > > liberties but they usually picked a prototype for a model, at least > > in the early days. > > > > Raleigh in Humidous Mainerous... > > > > At 11:48 AM 7/18/2011, john isn't eddie anymore wrote: > > > > > > > >" The only steam engine I see that was made by AC Gilbert that was a > > >New Haven, was the i-4 Pacific." The 342/343 switcher, although > > >stamped for Nickel Plate, was a NH prototype, and IIRC the cab > > >number was "0342" - John Marganski > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65352	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road

OK Made a spreadsheet and did some numbers - counted accessories if marked in a way that identified as on a road. Did not separate body types of box car between old timer and 40 ft. or flat car depressed center types - all box cars or all flats, same with 3 dome or single dome tanks. By catalog numbers: New Haven: 42 Santa Fe: 21 Pennsy: 19 UP: 19 CNW: 19 MP: 17 Reading: 15 NP: 14 NYC: 12 B&O: 11 Erie: 11 CB&Q: 10 T&P: 10 Gulf: 10 GN: 8 FY&PRR: 8 B&M: 7 IC: 6 NKP: 6 Seaboard:6 Monon: 5 Rio Grande: 4 Southern: 4 SP: 4 Wabash: 3 Frisco: 3 Shell: 3 GM: 3 Gilbert: 3 C&O: 3 BAR: 3 M&STL: 3 ART: 2 CG: 2 Mobilgas: 2 N&W: 2 D&H: 2 CRP: 2 MKT: 2 Deep Rock: 2 Bakers: 2 Hooker: 2 Navy: 2 National Car: 2 Air Force: 2 USMC: 2 Virginian: 1 LNE: 1 Koppers: 1 G Fox: 1 The rest were: 1 Also done by body types but no time to type it this morning Bill Drake Steaming away in St. Louis ________________________________ From: frank emiro <femiro2002@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Most Represented Prototype Road    I would say most likely, The New Haven. Your correct about the coaches, baggage,  and  I would add some of the heavy weights might have been NH ( like the Observation HWT). Do not forget the Branford Diner, Mystic Station, the Pa's, and yes the EP 5's. NH was the only Rail Road to have 10 EP 5's.   The only steam engine I see that was made by AC Gilbert that was a New Haven, was the i-4 Pacific. As a note, AC drove under or over the New Haven on his way to and from work. He also more then likely took the New Haven to NYC on visits to the Hall of Science and 200 Fifth Ave in NYC to the Toy Building at fifth ave and 23rd street.    Frank R. EMIRO --- On Sun, 7/17/11, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: From: Brady Burdge <brady@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Most Represented Prototype Road To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 17, 2011, 10:13 PM   During the S gauge chat, I asked the question - which prototype road was most represented by postwar Flyer? One of the first answers was Reading since it was on so many Atlantics and cabooses, but even with all the variations it really only added up to one type/model of prototype loco and one caboose. UP was mentioned, as were a couple of others Later on someone mentioned New Haven, since it was on the coaches, baggage cars, mail car and baggage cars, as well as a box car and three (different type?) Pacifics What say you?? Brady Burdge www.americanflyerlines.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65353	From: R G	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road

I started doing the same exact thing but had not finished.  My numbers look a lot like yours.  Going through the lists I was truly surprised on how many railroads were represented and some totally missed such as the Milwaukee Road or Florida East Coast.  Other big roads were under represented such as Southern Pacific and Illinois Central. For the size of the railroad New Haven is definitely over represented in AC Gilbert's production of American Flyer trains.  FYI I counted the G-Fox car as New Haven since it also has that logo on it. ________________________________ From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Most Represented Prototype Road   OK Made a spreadsheet and did some numbers - counted accessories if marked in a way that identified as on a road. Did not separate body types of box car between old timer and 40 ft. or flat car depressed center types - all box cars or all flats, same with 3 dome or single dome tanks. By catalog numbers: New Haven: 42 Santa Fe: 21 Pennsy: 19 UP: 19 CNW: 19 MP: 17 Reading: 15 NP: 14 NYC: 12 B&O: 11 Erie: 11 CB&Q: 10 T&P: 10 Gulf: 10 GN: 8 FY&PRR: 8 B&M: 7 IC: 6 NKP: 6 Seaboard:6 Monon: 5 Rio Grande: 4 Southern: 4 SP: 4 Wabash: 3 Frisco: 3 Shell: 3 GM: 3 Gilbert: 3 C&O: 3 BAR: 3 M&STL: 3 ART: 2 CG: 2 Mobilgas: 2 N&W: 2 D&H: 2 CRP: 2 MKT: 2 Deep Rock: 2 Bakers: 2 Hooker: 2 Navy: 2 National Car: 2 Air Force: 2 USMC: 2 Virginian: 1 LNE: 1 Koppers: 1 G Fox: 1 The rest were: 1 Also done by body types but no time to type it this morning Bill Drake Steaming away in St. Louis ________________________________ From: frank emiro <femiro2002@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Most Represented Prototype Road    I would say most likely, The New Haven. Your correct about the coaches, baggage,  and  I would add some of the heavy weights might have been NH ( like the Observation HWT). Do not forget the Branford Diner, Mystic Station, the Pa's, and yes the EP 5's. NH was the only Rail Road to have 10 EP 5's.   The only steam engine I see that was made by AC Gilbert that was a New Haven, was the i-4 Pacific. As a note, AC drove under or over the New Haven on his way to and from work. He also more then likely took the New Haven to NYC on visits to the Hall of Science and 200 Fifth Ave in NYC to the Toy Building at fifth ave and 23rd street.    Frank R. EMIRO --- On Sun, 7/17/11, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: From: Brady Burdge <brady@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Most Represented Prototype Road To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 17, 2011, 10:13 PM   During the S gauge chat, I asked the question - which prototype road was most represented by postwar Flyer? One of the first answers was Reading since it was on so many Atlantics and cabooses, but even with all the variations it really only added up to one type/model of prototype loco and one caboose. UP was mentioned, as were a couple of others Later on someone mentioned New Haven, since it was on the coaches, baggage cars, mail car and baggage cars, as well as a box car and three (different type?) Pacifics What say you?? Brady Burdge www.americanflyerlines.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65354	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Most Represented Prototype Road

Excellent work Bill! That should put the subject to rest from the numbers of rolling stock and accessories availible. The New Haven being the winner should be no surprize due to the location of the American Flyer company. It's a good thing I didn't put any money down on this! The numbers of items availible by roadname tends to show a natural tendancy toward roads East of the Mississippi, with Santa Fe being the only Western road with high numbers. (Lionel and others did this, so why not Gilbert?) I would think then that the only other way to settle this once and for all would be by production numbers of each type. Again, betting no money, I'll guess the plentiful "Reading" Atlantics and cabooses. This has been a very interesting discussion, arousing much passion in the otherwise slow summer months. It has got me back at the workbench working on my backstock of junker loco rebuilding! Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65355	From: R G	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road

As I said in my last e-mail that I was doing the same kind of counting.  I counted every number such as 300, 300A etc for Reading Atlantics  and did the same for Reading Cabooses and New Haven still won out. Gilbert produced a lot of New Haven related items.  If an Item had American Flyer Lines or American Flyer on it that counted as a separate road name so for cabooses the Reading caboose was only produce for a few years during the link coupler era after that it was American Flyer or American Flyer Lines.  Even the Atlantic change road names during the 60s.  ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 9:49 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Most Represented Prototype Road   Excellent work Bill! That should put the subject to rest from the numbers of rolling stock and accessories availible. The New Haven being the winner should be no surprize due to the location of the American Flyer company. It's a good thing I didn't put any money down on this! The numbers of items availible by roadname tends to show a natural tendancy toward roads East of the Mississippi, with Santa Fe being the only Western road with high numbers. (Lionel and others did this, so why not Gilbert?) I would think then that the only other way to settle this once and for all would be by production numbers of each type. Again, betting no money, I'll guess the plentiful "Reading" Atlantics and cabooses. This has been a very interesting discussion, arousing much passion in the otherwise slow summer months. It has got me back at the workbench working on my backstock of junker loco rebuilding! Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65356	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road

One of my back burner projects is to estimate production volume with two input pieces of information - Maury Romer stated that Gilbert would only make items if orders were received for a minimum quantity of 1000. If you take the value of items and do a regression for similar type item and its present collector value, it should make for an estimate of the volume.   There will be distortion due to an "attractiveness" factor that will need to be included in trying to determine the quantities. (example is Penn Salt vs. Deep Rock) It would definitely seem that later philosophy may have reduced the production runs to below 1000 as well. Another distortion will be survivability (people may have thrown out warped early production as hopeless (read orange Shell tank car or Mopac 629 or 650 passenger cars or pikemaster items that were viewed as throw away toys instead of generational investments)   All of the distortions are why I haven't progressed much on this.   Bill Drake still steaming in St. Louis (115 F heat index today and high humidity)  From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:49 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Most Represented Prototype Road   Excellent work Bill! That should put the subject to rest from the numbers of rolling stock and accessories availible. The New Haven being the winner should be no surprize due to the location of the American Flyer company. It's a good thing I didn't put any money down on this! The numbers of items availible by roadname tends to show a natural tendancy toward roads East of the Mississippi, with Santa Fe being the only Western road with high numbers. (Lionel and others did this, so why not Gilbert?) I would think then that the only other way to settle this once and for all would be by production numbers of each type. Again, betting no money, I'll guess the plentiful "Reading" Atlantics and cabooses. This has been a very interesting discussion, arousing much passion in the otherwise slow summer months. It has got me back at the workbench working on my backstock of junker loco rebuilding! Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65357	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road

I wanted to do the AFL, AF and other markings but was in a hurry and wanted some input as to what to do with the dual markings - 336 with both UP and AFL markings. Count it as UP or as AFL or both or make a separate category for dual markings.   Important life or death decisions   Bill From: R G <keyhole_corona@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Most Represented Prototype Road   As I said in my last e-mail that I was doing the same kind of counting.  I counted every number such as 300, 300A etc for Reading Atlantics  and did the same for Reading Cabooses and New Haven still won out. Gilbert produced a lot of New Haven related items.  If an Item had American Flyer Lines or American Flyer on it that counted as a separate road name so for cabooses the Reading caboose was only produce for a few years during the link coupler era after that it was American Flyer or American Flyer Lines.  Even the Atlantic change road names during the 60s.  ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 9:49 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Most Represented Prototype Road   Excellent work Bill! That should put the subject to rest from the numbers of rolling stock and accessories availible. The New Haven being the winner should be no surprize due to the location of the American Flyer company. It's a good thing I didn't put any money down on this! The numbers of items availible by roadname tends to show a natural tendancy toward roads East of the Mississippi, with Santa Fe being the only Western road with high numbers. (Lionel and others did this, so why not Gilbert?) I would think then that the only other way to settle this once and for all would be by production numbers of each type. Again, betting no money, I'll guess the plentiful "Reading" Atlantics and cabooses. This has been a very interesting discussion, arousing much passion in the otherwise slow summer months. It has got me back at the workbench working on my backstock of junker loco rebuilding! Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65358	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road

That just tips the list to New Haven by one more - the ART car has several logos as well but I left it alone From: R G <keyhole_corona@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Most Represented Prototype Road   I started doing the same exact thing but had not finished.  My numbers look a lot like yours.  Going through the lists I was truly surprised on how many railroads were represented and some totally missed such as the Milwaukee Road or Florida East Coast.  Other big roads were under represented such as Southern Pacific and Illinois Central. For the size of the railroad New Haven is definitely over represented in AC Gilbert's production of American Flyer trains.  FYI I counted the G-Fox car as New Haven since it also has that logo on it. ________________________________ From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Most Represented Prototype Road   OK Made a spreadsheet and did some numbers - counted accessories if marked in a way that identified as on a road. Did not separate body types of box car between old timer and 40 ft. or flat car depressed center types - all box cars or all flats, same with 3 dome or single dome tanks. By catalog numbers: New Haven: 42 Santa Fe: 21 Pennsy: 19 UP: 19 CNW: 19 MP: 17 Reading: 15 NP: 14 NYC: 12 B&O: 11 Erie: 11 CB&Q: 10 T&P: 10 Gulf: 10 GN: 8 FY&PRR: 8 B&M: 7 IC: 6 NKP: 6 Seaboard:6 Monon: 5 Rio Grande: 4 Southern: 4 SP: 4 Wabash: 3 Frisco: 3 Shell: 3 GM: 3 Gilbert: 3 C&O: 3 BAR: 3 M&STL: 3 ART: 2 CG: 2 Mobilgas: 2 N&W: 2 D&H: 2 CRP: 2 MKT: 2 Deep Rock: 2 Bakers: 2 Hooker: 2 Navy: 2 National Car: 2 Air Force: 2 USMC: 2 Virginian: 1 LNE: 1 Koppers: 1 G Fox: 1 The rest were: 1 Also done by body types but no time to type it this morning Bill Drake Steaming away in St. Louis ________________________________ From: frank emiro <femiro2002@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Most Represented Prototype Road    I would say most likely, The New Haven. Your correct about the coaches, baggage,  and  I would add some of the heavy weights might have been NH ( like the Observation HWT). Do not forget the Branford Diner, Mystic Station, the Pa's, and yes the EP 5's. NH was the only Rail Road to have 10 EP 5's.   The only steam engine I see that was made by AC Gilbert that was a New Haven, was the i-4 Pacific. As a note, AC drove under or over the New Haven on his way to and from work. He also more then likely took the New Haven to NYC on visits to the Hall of Science and 200 Fifth Ave in NYC to the Toy Building at fifth ave and 23rd street.    Frank R. EMIRO --- On Sun, 7/17/11, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: From: Brady Burdge <brady@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Most Represented Prototype Road To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 17, 2011, 10:13 PM   During the S gauge chat, I asked the question - which prototype road was most represented by postwar Flyer? One of the first answers was Reading since it was on so many Atlantics and cabooses, but even with all the variations it really only added up to one type/model of prototype loco and one caboose. UP was mentioned, as were a couple of others Later on someone mentioned New Haven, since it was on the coaches, baggage cars, mail car and baggage cars, as well as a box car and three (different type?) Pacifics What say you?? Brady Burdge www.americanflyerlines.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65359	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road

What about varieties? The 1946 S gauge Atlantics came with two different tenders and then there were button and no button varieties, though I appreciate with the latter that collectors ignore the mechanical when specifying varietiesand only look at the cosmetic. Some of these could not possibly have reached the 1000 mark. Alistair On Thu 21/07/11 1:04 AM , Bill Drake ee_train@... sent: One of my back burner projects is to estimate production volume with two input pieces of information - Maury Romer stated that Gilbert would only make items if orders were received for a minimum quantity of 1000. If you take the value of items and do a regression for similar type item and its present collector value, it should make for an estimate of the volume. There will be distortion due to an "attractiveness" factor that will need to be included in trying to determine the quantities. (example is Penn Salt vs. Deep Rock) It would definitely seem that later philosophy may have reduced the production runs to below 1000 as well. Another distortion will be survivability (people may have thrown out warped early production as hopeless (read orange Shell tank car or Mopac 629 or 650 passenger cars or pikemaster items that were viewed as throw away toys instead of generational investments) All of the distortions are why I haven't progressed much on this. Bill Drake

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65360	From: tgrebo	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: 751 log loader

can someone send me instruction sheets/wiring on the american flyer 751 log loader. picked one up but don't want to mess up in wiring. thanks tomg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65361	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road

Hi Alistair   Actually the 1000 comment was in a series of taped interviews with Maury Romer. It wasn't clear if he was discussing sets, individual items or something else. It might explain why the assorted B units were not produced, or any number of other questions. Another approach would be to take the number of sets and individual sale items and do a regression - so if 925 tank cars show up in n sets and m times as separate sale items, then they should be 1/6th as valuable as something that shows up in 1/6th as many listings.   Again there are the distortion factors, but it might produce rough relative estimates of production volumes. Variations are yet another distortion. The story of the red 635 crane being one Friday afternoon's production due to running out of yellow paint in pre Christmas 1948 shipping frenzy would present a run of probably less than 1000. How many other variations are a product of production glitches?   Lots of fun trying to do this estimate.   Bill From: "alizoo@..." <alizoo@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Most Represented Prototype Road   What about varieties? The 1946 S gauge Atlantics came with two different tenders and then there were button and no button varieties, though I appreciate with the latter that collectors ignore the mechanical when specifying varietiesand only look at the cosmetic. Some of these could not possibly have reached the 1000 mark. Alistair On Thu 21/07/11 1:04 AM , Bill Drake ee_train@... sent: One of my back burner projects is to estimate production volume with two input pieces of information - Maury Romer stated that Gilbert would only make items if orders were received for a minimum quantity of 1000. If you take the value of items and do a regression for similar type item and its present collector value, it should make for an estimate of the volume. There will be distortion due to an "attractiveness" factor that will need to be included in trying to determine the quantities. (example is Penn Salt vs. Deep Rock) It would definitely seem that later philosophy may have reduced the production runs to below 1000 as well. Another distortion will be survivability (people may have thrown out warped early production as hopeless (read orange Shell tank car or Mopac 629 or 650 passenger cars or pikemaster items that were viewed as throw away toys instead of generational investments) All of the distortions are why I haven't progressed much on this. Bill Drake [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65362	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road

Oh well Bill - keeps us off the streets! Alistair On Thu 21/07/11 6:57 AM , Bill Drake ee_train@... sent: Hi Alistair Actually the 1000 comment was in a series of taped interviews with Maury Romer. It wasn't clear if he was discussing sets, individual items or something else. It might explain why the assorted B units were not produced, or any number of other questions. Another approach would be to take the number of sets and individual sale items and do a regression - so if 925 tank cars show up in n sets and m times as separate sale items, then they should be 1/6th as valuable as something that shows up in 1/6th as many listings. Again there are the distortion factors, but it might produce rough relative estimates of production volumes. Variations are yet another distortion. The story of the red 635 crane being one Friday afternoon's production due to running out of yellow paint in pre Christmas 1948 shipping frenzy would present a run of probably less than 1000. How many other variations are a product of production glitches? Lots of fun trying to do this estimate. Bill From: "alizoo@... [1]" To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Most Represented Prototype Road What about varieties? The 1946 S gauge Atlantics came with two different tenders and then there were button and no button varieties, though I appreciate with the latter that collectors ignore the mechanical when specifying varietiesand only look at the cosmetic. Some of these could not possibly have reached the 1000 mark. Alistair On Thu 21/07/11 1:04 AM , Bill Drake ee_train@... [4] sent: One of my back burner projects is to estimate production volume with two input pieces of information - Maury Romer stated that Gilbert would only make items if orders were received for a minimum quantity of 1000. If you take the value of items and do a regression for similar type item and its present collector value, it should make for an estimate of the volume. There will be distortion due to an "attractiveness" factor that will need to be included in trying to determine the quantities. (example is Penn Salt vs. Deep Rock) It would definitely seem that later philosophy may have reduced the production runs to below 1000 as well. Another distortion will be survivability (people may have thrown out warped early production as hopeless (read orange Shell tank car or Mopac 629 or 650 passenger cars or pikemaster items that were viewed as throw away toys instead of generational investments) All of the distortions are why I haven't progressed much on this. Bill Drake [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:alizoo@... [2] mailto:alizoo@... [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [4] mailto:ee_train@... [5] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Most%20Represented%20Prototype%20Road [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbGNjMGJhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTM2MQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTExOTc0NDk-?act=reply&messageNum=65361 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/65333;_ylc=X3oDMTM0a2tjamM0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTM2MQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTExOTc0NDkEdHBjSWQDNjUzMzM- [8] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65363	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road

> Made a spreadsheet and did some numbers - counted accessories if marked in a way that identified as on a road. Did not separate body types of box car between old timer and 40 ft. or flat car depressed center types - all box cars or all flats, same with 3 dome or single dome tanks. > > By catalog numbers: > > New Haven: 42 > > Santa Fe: 21 > > Pennsy: 19 Bill, Thank you very much for settling this. Your list is a keeper. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65364	From: Bill	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Gilbert Road Name Frequency by type of device

This eliminates the Catalog number frequency and counts by type. Variations are not separated. New Haven: 12 UP: 10 NP: 8 MP: 8 Pennsy: 7 FY&PRR:6 Santa Fe: 5 B&O: 4 CNW: 4 CB&Q: 4 GN: 3 T&P: 3 NYC: 3 B&M: 3 Erie: 2 Reading: 2 (Atlantic and Caboose as an example) Southern: 2 Shell: 2 Gulf: 2 IC: 2 Seaboard: 2 Rio Grande: 2 Gilbert: 2 C&O: 2 Monon: 2 BAR: 2 MSTL: 2 MEC: 1 UFGE: 1 CG: 1 ART: 1 WSX: 1 Post: 1 Mobilgas: 1 Koppers: 1 D&H: 1 CRP: 1 Virginian: 1 MKT: 1 N&W:1 Wabash: 1 Frisco: 1 GM:1 LNE: 1 G Fox: 1 NKP: 1 The rest are 1. NH is still in the lead. Bill still steaming in St. Louis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65365	From: richs009	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road

Bill -- thanks and nice job. Just after Brady posted his question, I did a quick thumb through the Doyle book and posted an email to this group which somehow never appeared - (I later tried another post and it said something about "bouncing email" - whatever that is). In any event, I came to a different - albeit more qualitative - conclusion. I suppose it depends a bit on how to interpret the original question. I based my sorting of locomotives and rolling stock by road name on the number of different examples. So the UP FEF only counted once, even though there were several different engine numbers over the twenty year span of Gilbert production. Likewise the several different box car colors carrying the Santa Fe name only count as one. Seemed to me that most of the locomotives and/or rolling stock often had AF or AFL in addition to the road name - but I still counted that as being an example associated with the road name (even though there may not have been a "real" prototype). In any event, my rough estimate would have suggested that UP or NP were pretty close to the top and NH might have been a close 'winner'. For example, the NP North Coast Limited passenger set would count for six all by itself (PA, PB, combo, coach, dome, observ.) - similarly UP's "Pony Express" would count for five (no PB). Neither NH or SF actually had streamlined passenger cars with their road names on them. I didn't look at accessories - not sure which ones actually had road names on them... - Rich PS -- maybe the administrator will find my email. In answer to someone else's comment, four of the first six and five of the first ten roads you list are western RR's ("west"= west of Chicago...) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: > > OK > > Made a spreadsheet and did some numbers - counted accessories if marked in a way that identified as on a road. Did not separate body types of box car between old timer and 40 ft. or flat car depressed center types - all box cars or all flats, same with 3 dome or single dome tanks. > > By catalog numbers: > > New Haven: 42 > > Santa Fe: 21 > > Pennsy: 19 > > UP: 19 > > CNW: 19 > > MP: 17 > > Reading: 15 > NP: 14 > > NYC: 12 > > B&O: 11 > Erie: 11 > > CB&Q: 10 > > T&P: 10 > > Gulf: 10 > > GN: 8 > FY&PRR: 8 > > B&M: 7 > > IC: 6 > > NKP: 6 > Seaboard:6 > Monon: 5 > > Rio Grande: 4 > > Southern: 4 > SP: 4 > > Wabash: 3 > Frisco: 3 > > Shell: 3 > > GM: 3 > Gilbert: 3 > C&O: 3 > BAR: 3 > M&STL: 3 > > ART: 2 > > CG: 2 > > Mobilgas: 2 > > N&W: 2 > D&H: 2 > CRP: 2 > > MKT: 2 > Deep Rock: 2 > Bakers: 2 > Hooker: 2 > Navy: 2 > National Car: 2 > Air Force: 2 > USMC: 2 > > Virginian: 1 > LNE: 1 > Koppers: 1 > > G Fox: 1 > The rest were: 1 > > Also done by body types but no time to type it this morning > > Bill Drake > Steaming away in St. Louis > > > > ________________________________ > From: frank emiro <femiro2002@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:01 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Most Represented Prototype Road > > >   > > >  I would say most likely, The New Haven. Your correct about the coaches, baggage,  and  I would add some of the heavy weights might have been NH ( like the Observation HWT). Do not forget the Branford Diner, Mystic Station, the Pa's, and yes the EP 5's. NH was the only Rail Road to have 10 EP 5's.  >  The only steam engine I see that was made by AC Gilbert that was a New Haven, was the i-4 Pacific. As a note, AC drove under or over the New Haven on his way to and from work. He also more then likely took the New Haven to NYC on visits to the Hall of Science and 200 Fifth Ave in NYC to the Toy Building at fifth ave and 23rd street.  > >   > Frank R. EMIRO > > --- On Sun, 7/17/11, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: > > From: Brady Burdge <brady@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Most Represented Prototype Road > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, July 17, 2011, 10:13 PM > >   > > During the S gauge chat, I asked the question - which prototype road was most represented by postwar Flyer? One of the first answers was Reading since it was on so many Atlantics and cabooses, but even with all the variations it really only added up to one type/model of prototype loco and one caboose. > > UP was mentioned, as were a couple of others > > Later on someone mentioned New Haven, since it was on the coaches, baggage cars, mail car and baggage cars, as well as a box car and three (different type?) Pacifics > > What say you?? > > Brady Burdge > > www.americanflyerlines.net > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65366	From: richs009	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Re: 751 log loader

Tom -- I have a copy of the instruction sheet in the K-line book and all it says is 'connect the black wire (from the 4-wire 'rainbow wire harness') to the base post and the yellow wire from the two-button controller to the 15 volt (accessory) post on the transformer. The drawing shows (not very well) the rainbow harness running between the log loader and the two-button controller. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "tgrebo" <tgrebo@...> wrote: > > can someone send me instruction sheets/wiring on the american flyer 751 log loader. picked one up but don't want to mess up in wiring. thanks tomg >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65367	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 7/20/2011
Subject: Re: 751 log loader

Hi The hook up for the 751 log loader is as follows. Black wire from the rainbow wire cable to the base post the transformer. The yellow wire from the control box to the 15v post on transformer. Press the green button on the control box and one of the logs will be lifted up into the carriage. Press the red button on the control box and the carriage will carry the log up to the waiting log car. You may need to adjust the screw arm to have it dump right. Hope this helps you If you need any other information on the 751 operation there is a good book out by tom seccia called parts and service, if you want to e mail himit's seccia @... I have found him to be very knowledgeable about parts and repair. Stan Sobieski ----- Original Message ----- From: tgrebo To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 4:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 751 log loader can someone send me instruction sheets/wiring on the american flyer 751 log loader. picked one up but don't want to mess up in wiring. thanks tomg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65368	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/21/2011
Subject: Most represented prototype road

Well, obviously I didn't understand the original question. I was comparing the number of Atlantics produced by Gilbert made with "Reading" on them over the years verses the number of, say, "New Haven" lettered Pacifics produced, or "UP" named Hortherns made. I remember reading in the Doyle or one of the other missives on Gilbert history that more Atlantics were made than any other loco, and most of them were lettered AFL, or Reading, or both. There were so many Reading Atlantics and cabooses that they are virtually worthless on the collector market. I never thought about counting every type of loco, rolling stock, or accessory with a roadname on it. Oops! But it was still interesting discussion. I should be snapping some pix soon of my latest projects spurred on by this renewed summer interest (and being kept inside by the heat!) Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65369	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 7/21/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert Road Name Frequency by type of device

It should be no surprise that the New Haven figures first because not only was the factory situated there and not only did AC use that railroad on his many trips to New York in the early days but the inspiration for his famous Erector girders was said to be the girder work he saw when part of the line was being electrified. Alistair On Thu 21/07/11 11:35 AM , "Bill" ee_train@... sent: This eliminates the Catalog number frequency and counts by type. Variations are not separated. New Haven: 12 UP: 10 NP: 8 MP: 8 Pennsy: 7 FY&PRR:6 Santa Fe: 5 B&O: 4 CNW: 4 CB&Q: 4 GN: 3 T&P: 3 NYC: 3 B&M: 3 Erie: 2 Reading: 2 (Atlantic and Caboose as an example) Southern: 2 Shell: 2 Gulf: 2 IC: 2 Seaboard: 2 Rio Grande: 2 Gilbert: 2 C&O: 2 Monon: 2 BAR: 2 MSTL: 2 MEC: 1 UFGE: 1 CG: 1 ART: 1 WSX: 1 Post: 1 Mobilgas: 1 Koppers: 1 D&H: 1 CRP: 1 Virginian: 1 MKT: 1 N&W:1 Wabash: 1 Frisco: 1 GM:1 LNE: 1 G Fox: 1 NKP: 1 The rest are 1. NH is still in the lead. Bill still steaming in St. Louis ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20Gilbert%20Road%20Name%20Frequency%20by%20type%20of%20device [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJva2FnYnRlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTM2NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTEyMTQxMzc-?act=reply&messageNum=65364 [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/65364;_ylc=X3oDMTM0NGEyNml2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTM2NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTEyMTQxMzcEdHBjSWQDNjUzNjQ- [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65370	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/21/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert Road Name Frequency by type of device

anyone who would like a copy of the excel spread sheet - contact me off list. no responsibility for accuracy. I used the 2005 pocket price guide and memory and both should be reviewed for accuracy.   If you remove the Mystic and Guilford stations New Haven is reduced to 10 and tied with UP.   Bill From: Bill <ee_train@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 9:05 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert Road Name Frequency by type of device   This eliminates the Catalog number frequency and counts by type. Variations are not separated. New Haven: 12 UP: 10 NP: 8 MP: 8 Pennsy: 7 FY&PRR:6 Santa Fe: 5 B&O: 4 CNW: 4 CB&Q: 4 GN: 3 T&P: 3 NYC: 3 B&M: 3 Erie: 2 Reading: 2 (Atlantic and Caboose as an example) Southern: 2 Shell: 2 Gulf: 2 IC: 2 Seaboard: 2 Rio Grande: 2 Gilbert: 2 C&O: 2 Monon: 2 BAR: 2 MSTL: 2 MEC: 1 UFGE: 1 CG: 1 ART: 1 WSX: 1 Post: 1 Mobilgas: 1 Koppers: 1 D&H: 1 CRP: 1 Virginian: 1 MKT: 1 N&W:1 Wabash: 1 Frisco: 1 GM:1 LNE: 1 G Fox: 1 NKP: 1 The rest are 1. NH is still in the lead. Bill still steaming in St. Louis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65371	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 7/21/2011
Subject: Re: Most represented prototype road

Stumpy,      We as a producer of kit bashing items will really like to see what you have been up to as of late.      Take care ;o) Dave LBR Enterprises, llc   From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 6:44 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Most represented prototype road   Well, obviously I didn't understand the original question. I was comparing the number of Atlantics produced by Gilbert made with "Reading" on them over the years verses the number of, say, "New Haven" lettered Pacifics produced, or "UP" named Hortherns made. I remember reading in the Doyle or one of the other missives on Gilbert history that more Atlantics were made than any other loco, and most of them were lettered AFL, or Reading, or both. There were so many Reading Atlantics and cabooses that they are virtually worthless on the collector market. I never thought about counting every type of loco, rolling stock, or accessory with a roadname on it. Oops! But it was still interesting discussion. I should be snapping some pix soon of my latest projects spurred on by this renewed summer interest (and being kept inside by the heat!) Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65372	From: Tom Grabinski	Date: 7/21/2011
Subject: Re: 751 log loader

Rich, thankyou, this info should do the trick.  happy railroading ________________________________ From: richs009 <richs009@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 6:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 751 log loader   Tom -- I have a copy of the instruction sheet in the K-line book and all it says is 'connect the black wire (from the 4-wire 'rainbow wire harness') to the base post and the yellow wire from the two-button controller to the 15 volt (accessory) post on the transformer. The drawing shows (not very well) the rainbow harness running between the log loader and the two-button controller. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "tgrebo" <tgrebo@...> wrote: > > can someone send me instruction sheets/wiring on the american flyer 751 log loader. picked one up but don't want to mess up in wiring. thanks tomg > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65373	From: Tom Grabinski	Date: 7/21/2011
Subject: Re: 751 log loader

Stan, thankyou for the information..  should do the trick.   happy railroading ________________________________ From: Stanley Sobieski <americanflyer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 751 log loader   Hi The hook up for the 751 log loader is as follows. Black wire from the rainbow wire cable to the base post the transformer. The yellow wire from the control box to the 15v post on transformer. Press the green button on the control box and one of the logs will be lifted up into the carriage. Press the red button on the control box and the carriage will carry the log up to the waiting log car. You may need to adjust the screw arm to have it dump right. Hope this helps you If you need any other information on the 751 operation there is a good book out by tom seccia called parts and service, if you want to e mail himit's seccia @... I have found him to be very knowledgeable about parts and repair. Stan Sobieski ----- Original Message ----- From: tgrebo To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 4:39 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 751 log loader can someone send me instruction sheets/wiring on the american flyer 751 log loader. picked one up but don't want to mess up in wiring. thanks tomg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65374	From: jim_marski	Date: 7/21/2011
Subject: American Flyer Spreckels Sugar Hopper Car

The Rocky Mountain Division of TCA is offering an American Flyer S gauge Spreckels Sugar hopper car. Ordering deadline is September 30th with estimated delivery next May. You can see and order the car on RMD's shopping site- www.shoprmtts.com Orders are limited to 400 and proceeds benefit the Rocky Mountain Division of TCA. Thanks Jim Marski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65375	From: Don Thompson	Date: 7/21/2011
Subject: Re: MOQ???

Dear Bill, You might not want to confuse minimum order quantity (MOQ) with total production. I can tell you from my experience that they are not the same and the total production could be many magnitudes larger. Don Thompson > > On Thu 21/07/11 1:04 AM , Bill Drake ee_train@... sent: > Maury Romer stated that Gilbert would only make items if orders were received for a minimum quantity > of 1000. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65376	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 7/21/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer Spreckels Sugar Hopper Car

Hi Jim, Thanks for the tip! Is there another way to order this car? I don't see any mention of it @ www.shoprmtts.com Thanks, Pete Henningsen ----- Original Message ----- From: jim_marski Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011 11:16 am Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer Spreckels Sugar Hopper Car To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > The Rocky Mountain Division of TCA is offering an American Flyer > S gauge Spreckels Sugar hopper car. Ordering deadline is > September 30th with estimated delivery next May. You can see and > order the car on RMD's shopping site- www.shoprmtts.com Orders > are limited to 400 and proceeds benefit the Rocky Mountain > Division of TCA. > > Thanks > Jim Marski > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65377	From: Bruce	Date: 7/21/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert Road Name Frequency by type of device

Using that logic, you'd think that PRR, Reading, and Erie would have been used more often than any of the railroads out West. Bruce From: alizoo@... Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:28 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gilbert Road Name Frequency by type of device It should be no surprise that the New Haven figures first because not only was the factory situated there and not only did AC use that railroad on his many trips to New York in the early days but the inspiration for his famous Erector girders was said to be the girder work he saw when part of the line was being electrified. Alistair On Thu 21/07/11 11:35 AM , "Bill" ee_train@... sent: This eliminates the Catalog number frequency and counts by type. Variations are not separated. New Haven: 12 UP: 10 NP: 8 MP: 8 Pennsy: 7 FY&PRR:6 Santa Fe: 5 B&O: 4 CNW: 4 CB&Q: 4 GN: 3 T&P: 3 NYC: 3 B&M: 3 Erie: 2 Reading: 2 (Atlantic and Caboose as an example) Southern: 2 Shell: 2 Gulf: 2 IC: 2 Seaboard: 2 Rio Grande: 2 Gilbert: 2 C&O: 2 Monon: 2 BAR: 2 MSTL: 2 MEC: 1 UFGE: 1 CG: 1 ART: 1 WSX: 1 Post: 1 Mobilgas: 1 Koppers: 1 D&H: 1 CRP: 1 Virginian: 1 MKT: 1 N&W:1 Wabash: 1 Frisco: 1 GM:1 LNE: 1 G Fox: 1 NKP: 1 The rest are 1. NH is still in the lead. Bill still steaming in St. Louis ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20Gilbert%20Road%20Name%20Frequency%20by%20type%20of%20device [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJva2FnYnRlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTM2NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTEyMTQxMzc-?act=reply&messageNum=65364 [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/65364;_ylc=X3oDMTM0NGEyNml2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTM2NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTEyMTQxMzcEdHBjSWQDNjUzNjQ- [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65378	From: Bill Drake	Date: 7/21/2011
Subject: Re: MOQ???

Hi Don Should have been more precise in my statement. It was minimum production lot size or batch - could have been any amount larger Thanks Bill On Thu Jul 21st, 2011 9:44 AM CDT Don Thompson wrote: >Dear Bill, > You might not want to confuse minimum order quantity (MOQ) with total production. I can tell you from my experience that they are not the same and the total production could be many magnitudes larger. >Don Thompson >> >> On Thu 21/07/11 1:04 AM , Bill Drake ee_train@... sent: >> Maury Romer stated that Gilbert would only make items if orders were received for a minimum quantity >> of 1000. > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65379	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/21/2011
Subject: Re: Most Represented Prototype Road

<<<...I based my sorting of locomotives and rolling stock by road name on the number of different examples. So the UP FEF only counted once, even though there were several different engine numbers over the twenty year span of Gilbert production. Likewise the several different box car colors carrying the Santa Fe name only count as one... >> Rich, That was what I had in mind. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65380	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/21/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert Road Name Frequency by type of device

And nothing was made for the Cumberland and Pennsylvania RR by Gilbert. Rats. A actual RR I just learned this week. Mike From: Bruce Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 4:11 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gilbert Road Name Frequency by type of device Using that logic, you'd think that PRR, Reading, and Erie would have been used more often than any of the railroads out West. Bruce From: mailto:alizoo%40kern.com.au Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:28 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gilbert Road Name Frequency by type of device It should be no surprise that the New Haven figures first because not only was the factory situated there and not only did AC use that railroad on his many trips to New York in the early days but the inspiration for his famous Erector girders was said to be the girder work he saw when part of the line was being electrified. Alistair On Thu 21/07/11 11:35 AM , "Bill" mailto:ee_train%40yahoo.com sent: This eliminates the Catalog number frequency and counts by type. Variations are not separated. New Haven: 12 UP: 10 NP: 8 MP: 8 Pennsy: 7 FY&PRR:6 Santa Fe: 5 B&O: 4 CNW: 4 CB&Q: 4 GN: 3 T&P: 3 NYC: 3 B&M: 3 Erie: 2 Reading: 2 (Atlantic and Caboose as an example) Southern: 2 Shell: 2 Gulf: 2 IC: 2 Seaboard: 2 Rio Grande: 2 Gilbert: 2 C&O: 2 Monon: 2 BAR: 2 MSTL: 2 MEC: 1 UFGE: 1 CG: 1 ART: 1 WSX: 1 Post: 1 Mobilgas: 1 Koppers: 1 D&H: 1 CRP: 1 Virginian: 1 MKT: 1 N&W:1 Wabash: 1 Frisco: 1 GM:1 LNE: 1 G Fox: 1 NKP: 1 The rest are 1. NH is still in the lead. Bill still steaming in St. Louis ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20Gilbert%20Road%20Name%20Frequency%20by%20type%20of%20device [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJva2FnYnRlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTM2NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTEyMTQxMzc-?act=reply&messageNum=65364 [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/65364;_ylc=X3oDMTM0NGEyNml2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTM2NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTEyMTQxMzcEdHBjSWQDNjUzNjQ- [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65381	From: richs009	Date: 7/21/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert Road Name Frequency by type of device

Bill - thanks for all your effort. I paged more slowly through the Doyle book and agree with your counts -- 10 each for NH and UP and 8 each for NP and MP. If you add the ART reefer, which also carries the MP and Wabash RR logos, then that's nine for MP. Its interesting that only 3 of the top ten RR's in your revised count (not counting the mythical FY&P) are eastern. I'll contact you off-list for a copy of your spread sheet. thanks. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: > > anyone who would like a copy of the excel spread sheet - contact me off list. no responsibility for accuracy. I used the 2005 pocket price guide and memory and both should be reviewed for accuracy. >   > If you remove the Mystic and Guilford stations New Haven is reduced to 10 and tied with UP. >   > Bill > > From: Bill <ee_train@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 9:05 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert Road Name Frequency by type of device > > >   > > This eliminates the Catalog number frequency and counts by type. Variations are not separated. > > New Haven: 12 > UP: 10 > NP: 8 > MP: 8 > Pennsy: 7 > FY&PRR:6 > Santa Fe: 5 > B&O: 4 > CNW: 4 > CB&Q: 4 > GN: 3 > T&P: 3 > NYC: 3 > B&M: 3 > Erie: 2 > Reading: 2 (Atlantic and Caboose as an example) > Southern: 2 > Shell: 2 > Gulf: 2 > IC: 2 > Seaboard: 2 > Rio Grande: 2 > Gilbert: 2 > C&O: 2 > Monon: 2 > BAR: 2 > MSTL: 2 > MEC: 1 > UFGE: 1 > CG: 1 > ART: 1 > WSX: 1 > Post: 1 > Mobilgas: 1 > Koppers: 1 > D&H: 1 > CRP: 1 > Virginian: 1 > MKT: 1 > N&W:1 > Wabash: 1 > Frisco: 1 > GM:1 > LNE: 1 > G Fox: 1 > NKP: 1 > The rest are 1. > > NH is still in the lead. > > Bill > still steaming in St. Louis > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65382	From: Dave	Date: 7/22/2011
Subject: SCULLIN DISK HUBS

We have started another poll as a way to direct us in our next project which is "SCULLIN DISK HUBS" for pre-1966 AF steam engines. Please vote if you get a chance as this will probably be the deciding factor wheather to produce these or not. Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65383	From: Carey Probst	Date: 7/22/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert Road Name Frequency by type of device

I'm sure a lot of us would like the spreadsheet. Could you post it to the files section? thanks Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 7/21/2011 6:02 PM, richs009 wrote: > > Bill - thanks for all your effort. I paged more slowly through the > Doyle book and agree with your counts -- 10 each for NH and UP and 8 > each for NP and MP. If you add the ART reefer, which also carries the > MP and Wabash RR logos, then that's nine for MP. > > Its interesting that only 3 of the top ten RR's in your revised count > (not counting the mythical FY&P) are eastern. > > I'll contact you off-list for a copy of your spread sheet. thanks. > > - Rich > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > Bill Drake <ee_train@...> wrote: > > > > anyone who would like a copy of the excel spread sheet - contact me > off list. no responsibility for accuracy. I used the 2005 pocket price > guide and memory and both should be reviewed for accuracy. > > Â > > If you remove the Mystic and Guilford stations New Haven is reduced > to 10 and tied with UP. > > Â > > Bill > > > > From: Bill <ee_train@...> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 9:05 PM > > Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert Road Name Frequency by type of device > > > > > > Â > > > > This eliminates the Catalog number frequency and counts by type. > Variations are not separated. > > > > New Haven: 12 > > UP: 10 > > NP: 8 > > MP: 8 > > Pennsy: 7 > > FY&PRR:6 > > Santa Fe: 5 > > B&O: 4 > > CNW: 4 > > CB&Q: 4 > > GN: 3 > > T&P: 3 > > NYC: 3 > > B&M: 3 > > Erie: 2 > > Reading: 2 (Atlantic and Caboose as an example) > > Southern: 2 > > Shell: 2 > > Gulf: 2 > > IC: 2 > > Seaboard: 2 > > Rio Grande: 2 > > Gilbert: 2 > > C&O: 2 > > Monon: 2 > > BAR: 2 > > MSTL: 2 > > MEC: 1 > > UFGE: 1 > > CG: 1 > > ART: 1 > > WSX: 1 > > Post: 1 > > Mobilgas: 1 > > Koppers: 1 > > D&H: 1 > > CRP: 1 > > Virginian: 1 > > MKT: 1 > > N&W:1 > > Wabash: 1 > > Frisco: 1 > > GM:1 > > LNE: 1 > > G Fox: 1 > > NKP: 1 > > The rest are 1. > > > > NH is still in the lead. > > > > Bill > > still steaming in St. Louis > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65384	From: ron plyler	Date: 7/22/2011
Subject: Re: SCULLIN DISK HUBS

This would look great on the Hudson.  Also a long haul tender that was used on the Mohawk that could be made by joining two stock tenders. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65385	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 7/22/2011
Subject: Caboose Prototype

Several years ago I put out request for help in identifying a caboose that the Town of Ridgely, Maryland had bought and miss-labeled it as a prototype for Lionel’s caboose in the local papers. With information from this group I was able to refute their claim and that it was actually used for American Flyer. For the past year the historical society has been trying to document the caboose. After many emails back and forth, I received the following this morning. Thought it would be of interest to group. Jim Hannawald Hello Jim, Well, I have solved some mysteries about our caboose...found out that the letters on the side of Reading caboose NMh means: N - Northeast line M- metal h - is the class Sometimes there was a date too..date made. We are so excited to get to know the person who actually owned this caboose...he lives near Smyrna...we picked him up on Wednesday...he went over the caboose and said "She's still alive!" He opened something like a tank and a hissing noise escaped...he was very happy. His name is Dr. Peter Morganstern ..he was a station master at the Reading Line and left to become a preacher. He bought this caboose and moved it in 1984 to Kings Creek, Md....a vacation site..he used it like a little hotel. Dr. Morganstern told us that after he bought the caboose, he was still at Reading...the VP showed him documents concerning AC Gilbert and the American Flyer using "his" caboose as the model. Supposedly, AC Gilbert"s brother (WW I vet) was sent to Reading along with a photographer...they saw caboose (just finished being built) and picked it. Would love to see documentation but, Dr. Morganstern thinks that records were lost as company was sold to Lionel and his caboose was sold to Black River & Western. However, I will still try through their archives to see if someone can find that document for us ! Dr. Morganstern is willing to restore caboose, wants to contact some of his RR friends and personally knows the owner of Bachman Toys...who he thinks may be of some help. We would like to start scraping the caboose in September...will prime it then paint it red....the original color...not Black River &Western. Dr. Morganstern did lend us a book called: Reading Company Cabooses by John W. Hall....it is a wonderful book and we have ordered it ...has blue prints on caboose and other wonderful facts ! Wanted to pass our story onto you....maybe you can stop over sometime and take a look at the "little caboose" as it's being restored ! Cathy & Rick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65386	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 7/22/2011
Subject: Re: SCULLIN DISK HUBS

Ron, We have an "EXTEND-A-TENDER" kit coming out very soon. It lengthens the A&P tenders by 7/8" and offers a reverse light housing suitable for an LED light plus double ladder loops and marker light posts. Also includes the chassis but no trucks. COST: TBA. Dave, LBR Enterprises, llc From: ron plyler <ron_tallyho@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 9:19 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: SCULLIN DISK HUBS   This would look great on the Hudson.  Also a long haul tender that was used on the Mohawk that could be made by joining two stock tenders. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65387	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/22/2011
Subject: Re: Caboose Prototype

Jim, That is great news. Mike From: Jim Hannawald Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 11:03 AM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Caboose Prototype Several years ago I put out request for help in identifying a caboose that the Town of Ridgely, Maryland had bought and miss-labeled it as a prototype for Lionel’s caboose in the local papers. With information from this group I was able to refute their claim and that it was actually used for American Flyer. For the past year the historical society has been trying to document the caboose. After many emails back and forth, I received the following this morning. Thought it would be of interest to group. Jim Hannawald Hello Jim, Well, I have solved some mysteries about our caboose...found out that the letters on the side of Reading caboose NMh means: N - Northeast line M- metal h - is the class Sometimes there was a date too..date made. We are so excited to get to know the person who actually owned this caboose...he lives near Smyrna...we picked him up on Wednesday...he went over the caboose and said "She's still alive!" He opened something like a tank and a hissing noise escaped...he was very happy. His name is Dr. Peter Morganstern ..he was a station master at the Reading Line and left to become a preacher. He bought this caboose and moved it in 1984 to Kings Creek, Md....a vacation site..he used it like a little hotel. Dr. Morganstern told us that after he bought the caboose, he was still at Reading...the VP showed him documents concerning AC Gilbert and the American Flyer using "his" caboose as the model. Supposedly, AC Gilbert"s brother (WW I vet) was sent to Reading along with a photographer...they saw caboose (just finished being built) and picked it. Would love to see documentation but, Dr. Morganstern thinks that records were lost as company was sold to Lionel and his caboose was sold to Black River & Western. However, I will still try through their archives to see if someone can find that document for us ! Dr. Morganstern is willing to restore caboose, wants to contact some of his RR friends and personally knows the owner of Bachman Toys...who he thinks may be of some help. We would like to start scraping the caboose in September...will prime it then paint it red....the original color...not Black River &Western. Dr. Morganstern did lend us a book called: Reading Company Cabooses by John W. Hall....it is a wonderful book and we have ordered it ...has blue prints on caboose and other wonderful facts ! Wanted to pass our story onto you....maybe you can stop over sometime and take a look at the "little caboose" as it's being restored ! Cathy & Rick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65388	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/22/2011
Subject: Re: Caboose Prototype

http://www.flickr.com/photos/throwingbull/4921455497/ Found a picture of the caboose. Mike From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 11:46 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Caboose Prototype Jim, That is great news. Mike From: Jim Hannawald Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 11:03 AM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Caboose Prototype Several years ago I put out request for help in identifying a caboose that the Town of Ridgely, Maryland had bought and miss-labeled it as a prototype for Lionel’s caboose in the local papers. With information from this group I was able to refute their claim and that it was actually used for American Flyer. For the past year the historical society has been trying to document the caboose. After many emails back and forth, I received the following this morning. Thought it would be of interest to group. Jim Hannawald Hello Jim, Well, I have solved some mysteries about our caboose...found out that the letters on the side of Reading caboose NMh means: N - Northeast line M- metal h - is the class Sometimes there was a date too..date made. We are so excited to get to know the person who actually owned this caboose...he lives near Smyrna...we picked him up on Wednesday...he went over the caboose and said "She's still alive!" He opened something like a tank and a hissing noise escaped...he was very happy. His name is Dr. Peter Morganstern ..he was a station master at the Reading Line and left to become a preacher. He bought this caboose and moved it in 1984 to Kings Creek, Md....a vacation site..he used it like a little hotel. Dr. Morganstern told us that after he bought the caboose, he was still at Reading...the VP showed him documents concerning AC Gilbert and the American Flyer using "his" caboose as the model. Supposedly, AC Gilbert"s brother (WW I vet) was sent to Reading along with a photographer...they saw caboose (just finished being built) and picked it. Would love to see documentation but, Dr. Morganstern thinks that records were lost as company was sold to Lionel and his caboose was sold to Black River & Western. However, I will still try through their archives to see if someone can find that document for us ! Dr. Morganstern is willing to restore caboose, wants to contact some of his RR friends and personally knows the owner of Bachman Toys...who he thinks may be of some help. We would like to start scraping the caboose in September...will prime it then paint it red....the original color...not Black River &Western. Dr. Morganstern did lend us a book called: Reading Company Cabooses by John W. Hall....it is a wonderful book and we have ordered it ...has blue prints on caboose and other wonderful facts ! Wanted to pass our story onto you....maybe you can stop over sometime and take a look at the "little caboose" as it's being restored ! Cathy & Rick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65389	From: Dale Smith	Date: 7/22/2011
Subject: New Videos and Photos of the Sibley Display Layout

*I have added two new videos of the Sibley Department Store Layout, which was on display earlier in the month at the TCA Convention and National Train Show in Sacramento. The videos cover areas of the layout not previously included in the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers video from Youtube. One video was taken at the TCA Convention and the other at the National Train Show. The National Train show video is almost 3 minutes long. In addition I have also added an album of still shots of the layout, mostly taken at the TCA Convention. I hope you enjoy them. Link to Sibley Layout Home Page <http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/sibley/sibley_home.htm> Dale Smith * [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65390	From: richs009	Date: 7/22/2011
Subject: Re: Caboose Prototype

Jim -- Mike's picture shows that the ACG Reading caboose is dead-on with the prototype. Now if all of us that own one of the S versions would send the historical society a small donation ($10, 20, whatever) I'll bet we could help them out with funding their restoration. Given the previous discussions we've just had linking ACG productions with prototypes and that this caboose must be one of most numerous products from Flyer, donations from Flyer caboose owners would help them out quite a bit. Many of the ACG cabooses (and even some of the more recent Flyonel issues) look like this one, just without the Reading logo. Give us a name and address for the historical group -- better, post Mike's picture and the address in the Photos section (that way it will be easier to find) -- my check is in an envelope ready to go... thanks, - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Hannawald" <jhannawald@...> wrote: > > Several years ago I put out request for help in identifying a caboose that the Town of Ridgely, Maryland had bought and miss-labeled it as a prototype for Lionel’s caboose in the local papers. With information from this group I was able to refute their claim and that it was actually used for American Flyer. For the past year the historical society has been trying to document the caboose. After many emails back and forth, I received the following this morning. Thought it would be of interest to group. > > Jim Hannawald > > Hello Jim, > > Well, I have solved some mysteries about our caboose...found out that the letters on the side of Reading caboose NMh means: > > N - Northeast line > M- metal > h - is the class > > Sometimes there was a date too..date made. We are so excited to get to know the person who actually owned this caboose...he lives near Smyrna...we picked him up on Wednesday...he went over the caboose and said "She's still alive!" He opened something like a tank and a hissing noise escaped...he was very happy. > > His name is Dr. Peter Morganstern ..he was a station master at the Reading Line and left to become a preacher. He bought this caboose and moved it in 1984 to Kings Creek, Md....a vacation site..he used it like a little hotel. > > Dr. Morganstern told us that after he bought the caboose, he was still at Reading...the VP showed him documents concerning AC Gilbert and the American Flyer using "his" caboose as the model. Supposedly, AC Gilbert"s brother (WW I vet) was sent to Reading along with a photographer...they saw caboose (just finished being built) and picked it. > > Would love to see documentation but, Dr. Morganstern thinks that records were lost as company was sold to Lionel and his caboose was sold to Black River & Western. However, I will still try through their archives to see if someone can find that document for us ! > > Dr. Morganstern is willing to restore caboose, wants to contact some of his RR friends and personally knows the owner of Bachman Toys...who he thinks may be of some help. > > We would like to start scraping the caboose in September...will prime it then paint it red....the original color...not Black River &Western. Dr. Morganstern did lend us a book called: Reading Company Cabooses by John W. Hall....it is a wonderful book and we have ordered it ...has blue prints on caboose and other wonderful facts ! > > Wanted to pass our story onto you....maybe you can stop over sometime and take a look at the "little caboose" as it's being restored ! > > Cathy & Rick > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65391	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/22/2011
Subject: Re: Caboose Prototype

Rich, A great idea. If Jim can find out if they need some money for this project, I would be in on this too. And heck, I have had enough medical bills this year so what’s a extra few bucks. If Rich and I can send something, I am sure many of you can too. Mike From: richs009 Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 5:54 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Caboose Prototype Jim -- Mike's picture shows that the ACG Reading caboose is dead-on with the prototype. Now if all of us that own one of the S versions would send the historical society a small donation ($10, 20, whatever) I'll bet we could help them out with funding their restoration. Given the previous discussions we've just had linking ACG productions with prototypes and that this caboose must be one of most numerous products from Flyer, donations from Flyer caboose owners would help them out quite a bit. Many of the ACG cabooses (and even some of the more recent Flyonel issues) look like this one, just without the Reading logo. Give us a name and address for the historical group -- better, post Mike's picture and the address in the Photos section (that way it will be easier to find) -- my check is in an envelope ready to go... thanks, - Rich --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Jim Hannawald" <jhannawald@...> wrote: > > Several years ago I put out request for help in identifying a caboose that the Town of Ridgely, Maryland had bought and miss-labeled it as a prototype for Lionel’s caboose in the local papers. With information from this group I was able to refute their claim and that it was actually used for American Flyer. For the past year the historical society has been trying to document the caboose. After many emails back and forth, I received the following this morning. Thought it would be of interest to group. > > Jim Hannawald > > Hello Jim, > > Well, I have solved some mysteries about our caboose...found out that the letters on the side of Reading caboose NMh means: > > N - Northeast line > M- metal > h - is the class > > Sometimes there was a date too..date made. We are so excited to get to know the person who actually owned this caboose...he lives near Smyrna...we picked him up on Wednesday...he went over the caboose and said "She's still alive!" He opened something like a tank and a hissing noise escaped...he was very happy. > > His name is Dr. Peter Morganstern ..he was a station master at the Reading Line and left to become a preacher. He bought this caboose and moved it in 1984 to Kings Creek, Md....a vacation site..he used it like a little hotel. > > Dr. Morganstern told us that after he bought the caboose, he was still at Reading...the VP showed him documents concerning AC Gilbert and the American Flyer using "his" caboose as the model. Supposedly, AC Gilbert"s brother (WW I vet) was sent to Reading along with a photographer...they saw caboose (just finished being built) and picked it. > > Would love to see documentation but, Dr. Morganstern thinks that records were lost as company was sold to Lionel and his caboose was sold to Black River & Western. However, I will still try through their archives to see if someone can find that document for us ! > > Dr. Morganstern is willing to restore caboose, wants to contact some of his RR friends and personally knows the owner of Bachman Toys...who he thinks may be of some help. > > We would like to start scraping the caboose in September...will prime it then paint it red....the original color...not Black River &Western. Dr. Morganstern did lend us a book called: Reading Company Cabooses by John W. Hall....it is a wonderful book and we have ordered it ...has blue prints on caboose and other wonderful facts ! > > Wanted to pass our story onto you....maybe you can stop over sometime and take a look at the "little caboose" as it's being restored ! > > Cathy & Rick > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65392	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 7/23/2011
Subject: Re: Caboose Prototype

That's a very interesting story about the prototype for the American Flyer caboose. Yes, the AF model is "dead on". However, there seems to be a bit of confusion about the class designation on the lower left hand side. NMh is the Reading class designation. "NM" is the AAR car type designation for caboose. Other examples of these that the Reading used for car classes are: XM boxcar LO covered hopper HT hopper car, GH gondola BX boxcar, equipped for passenger service FM flat car The "h" is for the group that the car was built in. This would be the seventh group built. I'd be curious as to how the "Mortheast" and "metal" designations were arrived at. BTW, the Reading's NMn class was built during World War II with a plate steel shortage, and these cars had wooden bodies. Steve ____________________________________________________________ 57 Year Old Mom Looks 27! Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4e2a319eeede617373dst04duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65393	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 7/23/2011
Subject: Re: New Videos and Photos of the Sibley Display Layout

Dale, Great video!! So nice to finally see the layout from different angles. Thanks!!! Daryl On 7/22/2011 5:11 PM, Dale Smith wrote: > > *I have added two new videos of the Sibley Department Store Layout, > which was on display earlier in the month at the TCA Convention and > National Train Show in Sacramento. The videos cover areas of the > layout not previously included in the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers video > from Youtube. One video was taken at the TCA Convention and the other > at the National Train Show. The National Train show video is almost 3 > minutes long. In addition I have also added an album of still shots of > the layout, mostly taken at the TCA Convention. I hope you enjoy them. > Link to Sibley Layout Home Page > <http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/sibley/sibley_home.htm> > > Dale Smith > * > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65394	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/23/2011
Subject: Re: New Videos and Photos of the Sibley Display Layout

> Link to Sibley Layout Home Page > <http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/sibley/sibley_home.htm> > Dale Thank you for making the photos and video available. I was looking at this photo http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/sibley_images/yardeyelevel.jpg and it strikes me that the layout can provide a lot of opportunities for some really nice close-up photos, different angles and camera locations providing many different backgrounds. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65395	From: Mike Lenssen	Date: 7/23/2011
Subject: Re: SCULLIN DISK HUBS

I would definitely buy a set for a Hudson project I'm working on Sent from my iPod

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65396	From: Dave	Date: 7/23/2011
Subject: EXTEND-A-BUNKER

As we are about to offer the EXTEND-A-TENDER KIT for the AF A&P tenders we thought that we would give the kit bashing community yet another avenue to show off their skills. To that end we will also be offering an EXTEND-A-BUNKER KIT. This will be a 2 piece cast metal unit that sits on top (may also be modified to sit lower in the tender)of the coal bunker of the A&P tender and brings the NEW COAL LOAD to just forward of the water tank hatch. Cost: TBA. Thank you all for your continuing support and ideas for new items for "S" gaugers. Dave, LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65397	From: Jeff Faust	Date: 7/23/2011
Subject: Re: New Videos and Photos of the Sibley Display Layout

So good to see the Sibley layout out in the open again. Frank Ligocki's basement was a ship-in-a-bottle setting if ever there was one. I was lucky I could get any pictures of it at all! Thanks for sharing the pictures. --Jeff --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > *I have added two new videos of the Sibley Department Store Layout, > which was on display earlier in the month at the TCA Convention and > National Train Show in Sacramento. The videos cover areas of the > layout not previously included in the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers video > from Youtube. One video was taken at the TCA Convention and the other > at the National Train Show. The National Train show video is almost 3 > minutes long. In addition I have also added an album of still shots of > the layout, mostly taken at the TCA Convention. I hope you enjoy them. > Link to Sibley Layout Home Page > <http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/sibley/sibley_home.htm> > > Dale Smith > * > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65398	From: Dale Smith	Date: 7/23/2011
Subject: Re: New Videos and Photos of the Sibley Display Layout

The layout is a real gem, but from what Clay told me, this may be its last outing, as it was never really designed to travel. It definitely won't be making a cross country trip again, but I am certainly glad it did for this one last time. Even though videos are good, it is amazing to see it in person. What really struck me when I edited the videos is how the choo-choo sound can be clearly heard, even over the high noise level, especially at the National Train Show. I have come to believe that this is the ultimate Flyer display track plan, and is a descendent of the 1949 FAO Schwartz display, which may have been a bit longer. I think the fact that the center track exits the tunnel above grade on this layout is the result of shortening the layout, as compared with the FAO Schwarz layout where the exit is all on one level. Compare the following photos to see what I mean. http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/sibley_images/cranearea1.jpg and http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/faoschwarz_images/faoschwarz.jpg Dale On 7/23/2011 6:55 AM, Jeff Faust wrote: > > So good to see the Sibley layout out in the open again. Frank > Ligocki's basement was a ship-in-a-bottle setting if ever there was > one. I was lucky I could get any pictures of it at all! > > Thanks for sharing the pictures. > > --Jeff > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > > > *I have added two new videos of the Sibley Department Store Layout, > > which was on display earlier in the month at the TCA Convention and > > National Train Show in Sacramento. The videos cover areas of the > > layout not previously included in the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers video > > from Youtube. One video was taken at the TCA Convention and the other > > at the National Train Show. The National Train show video is almost 3 > > minutes long. In addition I have also added an album of still shots of > > the layout, mostly taken at the TCA Convention. I hope you enjoy them. > > Link to Sibley Layout Home Page > > <http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/sibley/sibley_home.htm> > > > > Dale Smith > > * > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65399	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/23/2011
Subject: Sign for a cow field.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tikaro/2599941861/ This would be a very interesting sign for a cow field on a layout I bet! YOW! Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65400	From: jim_marski	Date: 7/23/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer Spreckels Sugar Hopper Car

My apologies- it should be www.shop.rmtts.com Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65401	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/23/2011
Subject: Video - Getting the Most from a Small Layout

This presentation was given at an N scale convention, but the concepts apply to any small layout http://vimeo.com/26729650 If the video runs slow, click on "HD" to turn off the high-def Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65402	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/24/2011
Subject: Video-Getting the most from a small layout

This is a very good clinc on designing a small layout. There is a lot to be learned here, especially if you're thinking of downsizing from a large layout or going portable for a display. Good find, Brady! One thing to consider is that this is N scale, so while most of what is presented will work well enough, you must remember that S scale is quite bit larger, with bigger trains, track curve radius, structures and so on. There is no way to get as much track or scenery in the kind of space this fellow describes. Still, a small, portable layout can be done in S, and I'm assembling my fourth such layout for train shows right now! I have also built eight On30 micro layouts in the past ten years, which have also been on the train show circuit. And I have to fit my layout sections, boxes of trains, power packs, structures, and luggage for two in the back of an SUV, a 44"x49" cargo area! A small home layout that would be disassembled only for house moves would be much easier to design, and the suggestions made in the video would certainly hold true. To see really small layouts, go to: www.carendt.us or Google "Micro Layouts." This is a great site for hundreds of small layout ideas you can modify for use in any scale. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65403	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/24/2011
Subject: Re: A small S portable layout

When I wrote the message about the small layout video Brady found, I forgot that I have two PHOTOS albums here at S Trains; "Basher Stumpy" and "Stumpy's Stuff." There are a couple of photos of my second portable S gauge layout in one of them, I think "Stumpy's Stuff." It used 15" radius curves and was 33"x45" in tow sections. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65404	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/24/2011
Subject: For sale: AM, SHS, AF, ERTL

I am selling a huge estate collection for the widow of one of our club members.  Four scales are represented: N, HO, S, and O; let me know if  you're interested in anything other than S. For reference purposes, I show 2010 Greenberg book values (adjusted for condition), but these should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer I can't refuse! Please include your address so I can calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total. Pictures available on request. Mfg Model Short Description Notes Condition Box book value AF 722 Manual Switches with flags and all box inserts! C-6/C-7 Y $30.00 AF 48513 CSX Generator flatcar C-8 N $25.00 AM 3407 Rock Island 4-Bay Hopper C-8 N $30.00 AM 7726 Rock Island bay window caboose 17077 C-7 N $35.00 AM RS3014 Rock Island Alco RS3 Diesel #476 railings etc installed C-8 Y $180.00 AM RS3014 Rock Island Alco RS3 Diesel #474 railings etc not installed C-8 N $170.00 Ertl 9200-8814 Country Pride trailer truck C-8 N $15.00 Ertl 9200-9214 Harbor Freight trailer truck C-8 N $15.00 Golden Wheels 47414 Longs Drugs trailer truck diecast truck; plastic trailer C-10 Y $10.00 SHS 00801 NWX 85353 Borden's Cheese Reefer C-8 N $45.00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65405	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/24/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/25/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Monday July 25, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 21 hours, 57 minutes. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65406	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/24/2011
Subject: Tehachapi Loop Video

A pretty good overall view.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UWm2PAJkQU&feature=feedrec_grec_index Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65407	From: Dave	Date: 7/25/2011
Subject: Kit Bashing Kits

Due to the positive responce we have received from this group we have installed a NEW PAGE at our ON-LINE-SALES WEB SITE. It's heading is "KIT BASHING KITS" and is dedicated to our NEW KIT FORM for kit bashing items. For those of you that are interested in these up coming kits please book mark this page at http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html Thank you all for your continuing support and new kit bashing ideas. Dave, LBR Enterprises, llc 502-292-1872 dave@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65408	From: Robert Graves	Date: 7/25/2011
Subject: For sale: D2007 1957 West catalog P-9 (New) condition

Greenberg says P-7 is worth $34.  I don't know how to adjust paper upward for condition.  Make offer. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65409	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/25/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 7/25/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Monday July 25, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65410	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/25/2011
Subject: Rock Island Heritage Unit

Something for the operators of modern-era power to suggest to the manufacturers.. http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=342404&nseq=35 Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65411	From: David Engle	Date: 7/25/2011
Subject: Re: Rock Island Heritage Unit

Thanks Much for the suggestion. You may also want to check out Iowa Northern's 678, an F-40 done in RI 1950s passenger colors. DJE ----- Original Message ----- From: Brady Burdge To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 4:07 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Rock Island Heritage Unit Something for the operators of modern-era power to suggest to the manufacturers.. http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=342404&nseq=35 Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65412	From: frank emiro	Date: 7/25/2011
Subject: Rock Island ?

Did the Rock Island copy AC Gilberts Comet when they did the Blue paint logo ? It seems to be the same white star on the nose of one of their EMD units. GEE, ACG was way ahead of his time in doing the white star for a proto rail road.  Frank R. EMIRO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65413	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/25/2011
Subject: DeKalb Corn Field Signs

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/photos/album/845934419/pic/1311761315/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc A very good friend made me some S scale DeKalb Flying Corn signs, that used to be seen on just about every highway in the country by a corn field. Linda was the one who gave me this idea. The signs are in scale based on some measurements I got from signs on eBay. The first photo you can hardly see the sign, but then I have some close ups. The signs are 6 ft. high in scale on a scale 4 x 4. The first one is from a distance, so close ups are there. The second photo is blurry, but the next one is fine. I did not mean to send the blurry one. Now for the cow pasture sign. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65414	From: frank emiro	Date: 7/25/2011
Subject: Re: Rock Island ?

The star is larger then the Comets was on the PA's.. http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=321162&nseq=5 Frank R. EMIRO --- On Mon, 7/25/11, frank emiro <femiro2002@...> wrote: From: frank emiro <femiro2002@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Rock Island ? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 25, 2011, 6:54 PM   Did the Rock Island copy AC Gilberts Comet when they did the Blue paint logo ? It seems to be the same white star on the nose of one of their EMD units. GEE, ACG was way ahead of his time in doing the white star for a proto rail road.  Frank R. EMIRO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65415	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/25/2011
Subject: Free Kit

Clever Models steel shed in S.. http://www.clevermodels.net/freebies/ Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65416	From: David Engle	Date: 7/25/2011
Subject: Re: Rock Island ?

If you are referring to RI 652, the "Bicentennial" E-8, I doubt it. The group known as the 20th Century Railroad Club of Chicago, they designed and painted the engine to fit their plan. The connection you pose between this engine and the American Flyer Comet PA has never been suggested before, but I guess there could have been an AF collector among that 20th Century group, we trackside in that era never got wind of it. DJE ----- Original Message ----- From: frank emiro To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rock Island ? The star is larger then the Comets was on the PA's.. http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=321162&nseq=5 Frank R. EMIRO --- On Mon, 7/25/11, frank emiro <femiro2002@...> wrote: From: frank emiro <femiro2002@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Rock Island ? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 25, 2011, 6:54 PM Did the Rock Island copy AC Gilberts Comet when they did the Blue paint logo ? It seems to be the same white star on the nose of one of their EMD units. GEE, ACG was way ahead of his time in doing the white star for a proto rail road. Frank R. EMIRO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65417	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/26/2011
Subject: Latest Projects

Well, it's been a while since I've done an update on my kit bashing projects. Two are done and can be found in the "Basher Stumpy" album of the PHOTOS section. A recent trade of five of my finished kit bashed locos brought me the last parts needed to finish several projects. First up is an Atlantic built from a #300 shell, a #302 chassis, and side rods, lead truck, and smoke unit from the parts I got in the trade. This one got a Franklin tender with an extended coal bunker and pile, a cast trailing truck from a later Pacific, and of course a DC can motor during the rebuild. The #300 Atlantics have the early 1900's style extended smokebox, so by adding the earlier style Frankilin tender, the loco is back dated to a "Turn of the Century" look. Due to rust, all handrails were sanded and painted "brass" color, which also dates to earlier locos. I put the engine numbers on the tenders for locos designated for use on my imaginary Rock Ridge Route. The next project is my #343 rebuild into a 2-8-0 which some of you may remember I built from a damaged shell and a chassis with no motor or smoke and choo-choo over three years ago. I had to scratch build the pilot and used a Putt lead truck, and painted it with some heavy weathering. At the time I used a common plastic tender because I couldn't find the original type. In the recent trade, I got a damaged #343 type tender with no wheels. The shell had a large crack up one side and damage to the coal bunker side. With the use of body putty and stripwood, this was fixed, and the tender was painted, weathered, and numbered to match the loco. I think the shorter tender looks more in proportion tahn the plastic one did. On the work table now are two Pacifics to replace two of the engines I traded away. One is being done as a B&O engine, and the other is being made into a semi-streamlined engine. Pictures will follow when they are finished. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65418	From: Bob C	Date: 7/26/2011
Subject: Final Call For Central Coast Railroad Festival Layouts

If you have an operating layout in the area around San Luis Obispo, CA, (from Paso Robles to Santa Maria) this is the final call to add your layout to the official Central Coast Railroad Festival layout tour, aka Layout Tour #27. Tour #27 is part of the Festival on October 6-10. We're looking for operating layouts in any scale in that area. The tour is free and self-guided. If you have a layout and may be interested in participating in the layout tour or have any questions before committing to the tour, please contact me in the next week or so. If you know of a layout owner who may be interested, also please contact me or pass this message on to them. Contact me OFF LIST at: thecitrusbelt@... Festival Website: www.ccrrf.com Layout Tour #28 will be in the area from west Simi Valley and Ventura up to Santa Barbara on November 19, 2011. Layout Tour #29 will be in the Victorville-Hesperia area in February 2012. Bob Chaparro Moderator Model Railroads Of Southern California http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65419	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 7/26/2011
Subject: Re: Latest Projects

Stumpy..... Great creativity as usual. using the "old style" tender really works on the Atlantic as it highly favors those used on the Reading 4 4 4 type that briefly preceeded the Atlantics. Not that Reading was the only road to use such a tender at the time. For sure many did. I like the silver gray smoke box as well. What did you use for paint in this situation? The headlight casting also adds much to the realism of the locomotive. Thanks for sharing your work with us as it provides much inspiration to those who share your desire for locomotive variety. This level of bashing is great. It allows for something new and different without having to spend tons of money or invest time and money into sophisticated machine work. Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65420	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/26/2011
Subject: Loco Bashing 101: Painting

I could probably write a series of articles about this subject, and there seems to be a little interest in it. Kit bashing old Flyer engines need not be expensive or complicated. I start with junk box locos or sometimes just tired old engines I can get cheap. Avoid rare and collectable complete locos, but junkers of the same type are okay because their "life" has ended anyway if they're in a junk box. The easiest thing to do is repaint, and this alone can make a huge difference in a locomotive's appearance. Most tired old engines are scratched and chipped anyway, and all come in "basic black." I have been using "Polly Scale" Model Railroad paint with good results. I'm old fashioned, having learned to brush paint many years ago, and I still do. Prepare the shell by washing with a toothbrush and dishwashing liquid in water, rinse well with water and allow to dry. I like to use a light gray primer to make sure the final color has a good "grip" on the surface. You can dress up an old loco by painting the lead and trailing truck, and tender wheel rims white to match the Flyer "wide whitewall" driver tires. White on running boards, pilot deck, and bottom of the "cow catcher" was popular with many roads. "Graphite" on the smokebox can be represented with silver or gray paint. Cab roofs and tender decks can be "Light Tuscan Red" which was originally done as a rust preventative for engines being stored, but caught on as a "dress up" thing. Some railroads didn't paint all their engines black! Pennsy liked "Brunswick Green," while the Southern used "Apple Green" on some engines. The B&O used "Royal Blue" on some of their Pacifics, while others were "Presidents Green." Gray was popular with several roads, while some of the Southern Pacific's colorful passenger engins were hard to miss! Decaling the repainted engine with the name of your favorite railroad is one idea, or just putting the engine number on the tender sides with big numbers allows you to call it by any roadname you want to and change your mind later without having to repaint the engine. A coating with a product like Dull Coat or Gloss Coat will seal the paint and decals for handling. Prototype photos are a great place to get ideas for your project! Changing headlite locations, trailing trucks, tenders, boiler fronts, bells, pilots, stacks, domes, streamlining, and other projects become more involved. But each change you make will allow you to create something "one of a kind" out of a common loco or junker. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65421	From: rick gough	Date: 7/27/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting

Really good info here. I'm just finishing up a big motor 313 that was screaming out to be made beautiful again. I've found that stripping is a waste of time and that primer is unnecessary on a normal repaint. 3 good coats of color which I follow up with 2 - 3 good coats of Krylon Flat Clear, which cuts any unwanted sheen and locks in a real nice finish for decades to come. The 313 will be all black with 313 numbers but with PENN on the tender .... just had to do that! rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65422	From: Tom David	Date: 7/27/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting

Way to go Stumpy One trick I learned for spray painting. heat metal parts in oven to about 100 degrees CAREFLLY then spray away instant dry no runs. Tom David For a great Florida Vacation click here A great 3 bedroom vacation condo near Disney World Fl. -----Original Message----- From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 26, 2011 8:39 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Loco Bashing 101: Painting I could probably write a series of articles about this subject, and there seems to be a little interest in it. Kit bashing old Flyer engines need not be expensive or complicated. I start with junk box locos or sometimes just tired old engines I can get cheap. Avoid rare and collectable complete locos, but junkers of the same type are okay because their "life" has ended anyway if they're in a junk box. The easiest thing to do is repaint, and this alone can make a huge difference in a locomotive's appearance. Most tired old engines are scratched and chipped anyway, and all come in "basic black." I have been using "Polly Scale" Model Railroad paint with good results. I'm old fashioned, having learned to brush paint many years ago, and I still do. Prepare the shell by washing with a toothbrush and dishwashing liquid in water, rinse well with water and allow to dry. I like to use a light gray primer to make sure the final color has a good "grip" on the surface. You can dress up an old loco by painting the lead and trailing truck, and tender wheel rims white to match the Flyer "wide whitewall" driver tires. White on running boards, pilot deck, and bottom of the "cow catcher" was popular with many roads. "Graphite" on the smokebox can be represented with silver or gray paint. Cab roofs and tender decks can be "Light Tuscan Red" which was originally done as a rust preventative for engines being stored, but caught on as a "dress up" thing. Some railroads didn't paint all their engines black! Pennsy liked "Brunswick Green," while the Southern used "Apple Green" on some engines. The B&O used "Royal Blue" on some of their Pacifics, while others were "Presidents Green." Gray was popular with several roads, while some of the Southern Pacific's colorful passenger engins were hard to miss! Decaling the repainted engine with the name of your favorite railroad is one idea, or just putting the engine number on the tender sides with big numbers allows you to call it by any roadname you want to and change your mind later without having to repaint the engine. A coating with a product like Dull Coat or Gloss Coat will seal the paint and decals for handling. Prototype photos are a great place to get ideas for your project! Changing headlite locations, trailing trucks, tenders, boiler fronts, bells, pilots, stacks, domes, streamlining, and other projects become more involved. But each change you make will allow you to create something "one of a kind" out of a common loco or junker. Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65423	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101

Take a look in the PHOTOS section under "Stumpy's Stuff" to see a really BAD junk box #310 I rebuilt a couple of years ago. It laid in a wet basement for twelve years before I got it! Because it was so bad, the guys at the hobby shop didn't believe I could save it so I took before and after pictures of that project! There are also pix of the #343 2-8-0 rebuild when it had the plastic tender which I recently got to replace. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65424	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting

Rick... When you get it looking pretty, send us a pic. I for one always love seeing what people are doing as it gives me ideas. True ideas can be dangerous L.O.L. Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65425	From: Brady	Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting

<< I could probably write a series of articles about this subject, and there seems to be a little interest in it. >> Stumpy You should write them, the editors of S-Gaugian or NASG Dispatch are probably looking for these kinds of articles. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65426	From: Brady	Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: TA Episodes with Flyer / S gauge segments

http://www.trainweb.org/americanflyerlines/ Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65427	From: rick gough	Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting

Thanks Gene,   All the parts now do look pretty. paint went very well as usual. I do all the mechanical first and give it a good test run in 'mule' form before even preping the body. Also have all the side rods, lanterns, hand rails shined/polished and ready for assembly. It's ready now but I have a race this weekend so likely a week away. Will try and remember to get a pic for you. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Gene Cimino <ecphora123@...> wrote: From: Gene Cimino <ecphora123@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 11:34 AM S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | Approve S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65428	From: mark_h_charles	Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: Free Kit

The folks at Clever Models do a number of nice models for 1/64 -- it's great to see they've made this one available for free. (This replaces the track scale and scale-house they previously made available.) I take the pdf files on a thumb drive to a local office supply dealer, and for a couple bucks they print onto 60# cover stock. I laminate the walls to foam core and the roof panels to styrene. > http://www.clevermodels.net/freebies/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65429	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/28/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting

Rick. Got your private message about my corn signs, thanks! but my reply did not go through I think. Lots of corn signs in your old home town of La Plata MD at one time, I bet. Mike Marmer From: rick gough Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 4:10 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting Thanks Gene, All the parts now do look pretty. paint went very well as usual. I do all the mechanical first and give it a good test run in 'mule' form before even preping the body. Also have all the side rods, lanterns, hand rails shined/polished and ready for assembly. It's ready now but I have a race this weekend so likely a week away. Will try and remember to get a pic for you. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Gene Cimino <mailto:ecphora123%40yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gene Cimino <mailto:ecphora123%40yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 11:34 AM mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | Approve mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65430	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting

Rick,      We are considering doing a series of BUMA SHAVE SIGNS. Would anyone like to see those? Dave LBR Enterprises, llc   --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 9:16 PM   Rick. Got your private message about my corn signs, thanks! but my reply did not go through I think. Lots of corn signs in your old home town of La Plata MD at one time, I bet. Mike Marmer From: rick gough Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 4:10 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting Thanks Gene, All the parts now do look pretty. paint went very well as usual. I do all the mechanical first and give it a good test run in 'mule' form before even preping the body. Also have all the side rods, lanterns, hand rails shined/polished and ready for assembly. It's ready now but I have a race this weekend so likely a week away. Will try and remember to get a pic for you. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Gene Cimino <mailto:ecphora123%40yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gene Cimino <mailto:ecphora123%40yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 11:34 AM mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | Approve mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65431	From: Carey Probst	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting

Yes, part of my childhood Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 7/29/2011 7:16 AM, Dave at LBR Enterprises wrote: > > Rick, > We are considering doing a series of BUMA SHAVE SIGNS. Would > anyone like to see those? > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc > > > --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@... > <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>> wrote: > > From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@... > <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 9:16 PM > > > > Rick. > > Got your private message about my corn signs, thanks! > > but my reply did not go through I think. > > Lots of corn signs in your old home town of La Plata MD at one time, I > bet. > > Mike Marmer > > From: rick gough > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 4:10 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting > > Thanks Gene, > > All the parts now do look pretty. paint went very well as usual. I do > all the mechanical first and give it a good test run in 'mule' form > before even preping the body. Also have all the side rods, lanterns, > hand rails shined/polished and ready for assembly. It's ready now but > I have a race this weekend so likely a week away. Will try and > remember to get a pic for you. > > rick gough > mudshark datsun > 510 racing > > --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Gene Cimino <mailto:ecphora123%40yahoo.com> wrote: > > From: Gene Cimino <mailto:ecphora123%40yahoo.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 11:34 AM > > mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve > sender | Approve domain | Approve mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65432	From: rick gough	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting

All I remember from there is Tobacco ..... lots and lots of the addictive drug! rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 6:16 PM   Rick. Got your private message about my corn signs, thanks! but my reply did not go through I think. Lots of corn signs in your old home town of La Plata MD at one time, I bet. Mike Marmer From: rick gough Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 4:10 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting Thanks Gene, All the parts now do look pretty. paint went very well as usual. I do all the mechanical first and give it a good test run in 'mule' form before even preping the body. Also have all the side rods, lanterns, hand rails shined/polished and ready for assembly. It's ready now but I have a race this weekend so likely a week away. Will try and remember to get a pic for you. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Gene Cimino <mailto:ecphora123%40yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gene Cimino <mailto:ecphora123%40yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 11:34 AM mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | Approve mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65433	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting

Rick take your time as I'm sure your busy catching all those crabs down there near La Plata. Mike can bring the corn and we can have a good old time. L.O.L. Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65434	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Free Kit

Mark and everyone.... Clever also has two great tutorials or "How To's" listed for free download as well. They include suggested tools and materials in one of them. Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65435	From: R G	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting

I am dating myself now as I actually remember seeing the Burma Shave signs.  I would love to have a set.  Somewhere I have a little book that has all of the different limericks that they used on their signs.  I believe there were almost 18 of them. ________________________________ From: Carey Probst <s-scale@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting   Yes, part of my childhood Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 7/29/2011 7:16 AM, Dave at LBR Enterprises wrote: > > Rick, > We are considering doing a series of BUMA SHAVE SIGNS. Would > anyone like to see those? > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc > > > --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@... > <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>> wrote: > > From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@... > <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 9:16 PM > > > > Rick. > > Got your private message about my corn signs, thanks! > > but my reply did not go through I think. > > Lots of corn signs in your old home town of La Plata MD at one time, I > bet. > > Mike Marmer > > From: rick gough > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 4:10 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting > > Thanks Gene, > > All the parts now do look pretty. paint went very well as usual. I do > all the mechanical first and give it a good test run in 'mule' form > before even preping the body. Also have all the side rods, lanterns, > hand rails shined/polished and ready for assembly. It's ready now but > I have a race this weekend so likely a week away. Will try and > remember to get a pic for you. > > rick gough > mudshark datsun > 510 racing > > --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Gene Cimino <mailto:ecphora123%40yahoo.com> wrote: > > From: Gene Cimino <mailto:ecphora123%40yahoo.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 11:34 AM > > mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve > sender | Approve domain | Approve mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65436	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting

From: Alan Lambert � Lone Star Flyer club Arlington, Texas � I guess the old gessers on this list are coming out now because I also remember those signs back in the 60's. The signs are still there , just have different advertising on them. THANKS, Alan Lambert From: R G <keyhole_corona@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting   I am dating myself now as I actually remember seeing the Burma Shave signs.  I would love to have a set.  Somewhere I have a little book that has all of the different limericks that they used on their signs.  I believe there were almost 18 of them. ________________________________ From: Carey Probst <s-scale@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting   Yes, part of my childhood Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 7/29/2011 7:16 AM, Dave at LBR Enterprises wrote: > > Rick, > We are considering doing a series of BUMA SHAVE SIGNS. Would > anyone like to see those? > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc > > > --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@... > <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>> wrote: > > From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@... > <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 9:16 PM > > > > Rick. > > Got your private message about my corn signs, thanks! > > but my reply did not go through I think. > > Lots of corn signs in your old home town of La Plata MD at one time, I > bet. > > Mike Marmer > > From: rick gough > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 4:10 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting > > Thanks Gene, > > All the parts now do look pretty. paint went very well as usual. I do > all the mechanical first and give it a good test run in 'mule' form > before even preping the body. Also have all the side rods, lanterns, > hand rails shined/polished and ready for assembly. It's ready now but > I have a race this weekend so likely a week away. Will try and > remember to get a pic for you. > > rick gough > mudshark datsun > 510 racing > > --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Gene Cimino <mailto:ecphora123%40yahoo.com> wrote: > > From: Gene Cimino <mailto:ecphora123%40yahoo.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 11:34 AM > > mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve > sender | Approve domain | Approve mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65437	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting

I don’t believe that the rhymes were in the form of a limerick, but I would be interested in seeing them if you can find the book. Jerry F. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of R G Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:50 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting I am dating myself now as I actually remember seeing the Burma Shave signs. I would love to have a set. Somewhere I have a little book that has all of the different limericks that they used on their signs. I believe there were almost 18 of them. ________________________________ From: Carey Probst <s-scale@... <mailto:s-scale%40hcprobst.com> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting Yes, part of my childhood Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 7/29/2011 7:16 AM, Dave at LBR Enterprises wrote: > > Rick, > We are considering doing a series of BUMA SHAVE SIGNS. Would > anyone like to see those? > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc > > > --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@... <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> > <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>> wrote: > > From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@... <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> > <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net>> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 9:16 PM > > > > Rick. > > Got your private message about my corn signs, thanks! > > but my reply did not go through I think. > > Lots of corn signs in your old home town of La Plata MD at one time, I > bet. > > Mike Marmer > > From: rick gough > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 4:10 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting > > Thanks Gene, > > All the parts now do look pretty. paint went very well as usual. I do > all the mechanical first and give it a good test run in 'mule' form > before even preping the body. Also have all the side rods, lanterns, > hand rails shined/polished and ready for assembly. It's ready now but > I have a race this weekend so likely a week away. Will try and > remember to get a pic for you. > > rick gough > mudshark datsun > 510 racing > > --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Gene Cimino <mailto:ecphora123%40yahoo.com> wrote: > > From: Gene Cimino <mailto:ecphora123%40yahoo.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 11:34 AM > > mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve > sender | Approve domain | Approve mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65438	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Burma-Shave Jingles

Check out burma-shave.org They have all the jingles listed by year. There are dozens of them from 1927-1963.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65439	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting

gene, You forgot the Natty Bo! I think Miller Engineering has a Mr. Bo sign. Rick sadly is now on the west coast in Seattle, where they don’t have these things. I think in Seattle you get this large crab instead. Mike From: Gene Cimino Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:12 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting Rick take your time as I'm sure your busy catching all those crabs down there near La Plata. Mike can bring the corn and we can have a good old time. L.O.L. Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65440	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting

Rick, Yes, as you where close to Port Tobacco which is mainly nothing there but a crab house. Don’t forget the MD blue crabs down there! Next up a Lobster sign for the diner. Tom Waits will be there signing Sausage and Eggs, YouTube it. LOL Theme song at my Branford Diner: nighthawks at the diner of Emma's 49er, there's a rendezvous of strangers around the coffee urn tonight all the gypsy hacks, the insomniacs now the paper's been read now the waitress said eggs and sausage and a side of toast coffee and a roll, hash browns over easy chile in a bowl with burgers and fries what kind of pie? In a graveyard charade, a late shift masquerade 2 for a quarter, dime for a dance with Woolworth rhinestone diamond earrings, and a sideway's glance and now the register rings and now the waitress sings (chorus) the classified section offered no direction it's a cold caffeine in a nicotine cloud now the touch of your fingers lingers burning in my memory I've been 86ed from your scheme I'm in a melodramatic nocturnal scene I'm a refugee from a disconcerted affair as the lead pipe morning falls and the waitress calls (chorus) Mike From: rick gough Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:26 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting All I remember from there is Tobacco ..... lots and lots of the addictive drug! rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 6:16 PM Rick. Got your private message about my corn signs, thanks! but my reply did not go through I think. Lots of corn signs in your old home town of La Plata MD at one time, I bet. Mike Marmer From: rick gough Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 4:10 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting Thanks Gene, All the parts now do look pretty. paint went very well as usual. I do all the mechanical first and give it a good test run in 'mule' form before even preping the body. Also have all the side rods, lanterns, hand rails shined/polished and ready for assembly. It's ready now but I have a race this weekend so likely a week away. Will try and remember to get a pic for you. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Gene Cimino <mailto:ecphora123%40yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gene Cimino <mailto:ecphora123%40yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 11:34 AM mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | Approve mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65441	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Burma-Shave Jingles

I like the one on Ed Loizeaux's layout: S is Best! Pitch the rest! Burma Shave or something like that. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 7/29/2011 5:22:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, milepost407@... writes: Check out burma-shave.org They have all the jingles listed by year. There are dozens of them from 1927-1963. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65442	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Burma-Shave Jingles

Thanks! Jerry F. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of acgilbertguy Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:04 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Burma-Shave Jingles Check out burma-shave.org They have all the jingles listed by year. There are dozens of them from 1927-1963. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65443	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Burma-Shave Jingles

The Burma-Shave signs were a victim of Lady Bird Johnson's battle against billboards. Naturally, we lost the good humor. Jim Lyle In a message dated 7/29/2011 6:22:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, milepost407@... writes: Check out burma-shave.org They have all the jingles listed by year. There are dozens of them from 1927-1963. ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65444	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/29/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burma-Shave Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65445	From: Dave	Date: 7/30/2011
Subject: BURMA SHAVE Signs Poll

And yet another poll. We keep doing polls here as we respect the thoughts of this group when it comes to "S" gauge related products. To that end we have started another poll that we will really appreciate the groups participation in. Please vote at the BURMA SHAVE poll. Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65446	From: Dave	Date: 7/30/2011
Subject: EXTEND-A-BUNKER Photos

We have just added the first item to our NEW KIT BASHING PAGE at our web site. It is the #EAB73011-1 EXTEND-A-BUNKER add on for pre-1966 plastic A&P tenders. The photos show the item as well as the before and after appearance of the tender. The price is TBA. For all interested kit bashing people and others here please use the link below to view the item: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html FOR FURTHER INFO. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP. Thank you all for your continuing support and new item ideas. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65447	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 7/30/2011
Subject: Re: Burma-Shave Jingles

----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... The Burma-Shave signs were a victim of Lady Bird Johnson's battle against billboards. Naturally, we lost the good humor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Each state administered its outdoor advertising control program as it saw fit, as long as it met the minimum federal requirements. I was involved in Michigan, from 1972, and I do not recall ever citing as illegal or forcing removal of a Burma Shave sign. We did have some discussions Mail Pouch Tobacco and King Edward Cigar advertisers. But for Burma Shave, I think it had been an advertising campaign of an era, and the era came to a natural end. Train wrecks few, reason clear. Fireman doesn't hug engineer. Burma Shave. is the one I remember, but that was from some little S scale Burma Shave signs I had once. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65448	From: rick gough	Date: 7/30/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting

Waits followed by Leon Redbone?   Pope's Creek crab houses .... Captain John Drinks is still there I believe for the most authentic old days crab feasting one could ever dream of recreating. That's one of the fondest childhood memories; the other following Burma Shave ads on trips to upstate NY! rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing --- On Fri, 7/29/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 29, 2011, 1:19 PM   Rick, Yes, as you where close to Port Tobacco which is mainly nothing there but a crab house. Don’t forget the MD blue crabs down there! Next up a Lobster sign for the diner. Tom Waits will be there signing Sausage and Eggs, YouTube it. LOL Theme song at my Branford Diner: nighthawks at the diner of Emma's 49er, there's a rendezvous of strangers around the coffee urn tonight all the gypsy hacks, the insomniacs now the paper's been read now the waitress said eggs and sausage and a side of toast coffee and a roll, hash browns over easy chile in a bowl with burgers and fries what kind of pie? In a graveyard charade, a late shift masquerade 2 for a quarter, dime for a dance with Woolworth rhinestone diamond earrings, and a sideway's glance and now the register rings and now the waitress sings (chorus) the classified section offered no direction it's a cold caffeine in a nicotine cloud now the touch of your fingers lingers burning in my memory I've been 86ed from your scheme I'm in a melodramatic nocturnal scene I'm a refugee from a disconcerted affair as the lead pipe morning falls and the waitress calls (chorus) Mike From: rick gough Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:26 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting All I remember from there is Tobacco ..... lots and lots of the addictive drug! rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 6:16 PM Rick. Got your private message about my corn signs, thanks! but my reply did not go through I think. Lots of corn signs in your old home town of La Plata MD at one time, I bet. Mike Marmer From: rick gough Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 4:10 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting Thanks Gene, All the parts now do look pretty. paint went very well as usual. I do all the mechanical first and give it a good test run in 'mule' form before even preping the body. Also have all the side rods, lanterns, hand rails shined/polished and ready for assembly. It's ready now but I have a race this weekend so likely a week away. Will try and remember to get a pic for you. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Gene Cimino <mailto:ecphora123%40yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gene Cimino <mailto:ecphora123%40yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 11:34 AM mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | Approve mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65449	From: rick gough	Date: 7/30/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting

Crabs in the NW are too big to catch! rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing --- On Fri, 7/29/11, Gene Cimino <ecphora123@...> wrote: From: Gene Cimino <ecphora123@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 29, 2011, 11:40 AM S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | Approve S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65450	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/30/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting

Those are the ones I am talking about. No chicken necks to use? LOL Dungeness I think they are? Mike From: rick gough Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 11:41 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting Crabs in the NW are too big to catch! rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing --- On Fri, 7/29/11, Gene Cimino <mailto:ecphora123%40yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gene Cimino <mailto:ecphora123%40yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 29, 2011, 11:40 AM mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | Approve mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65451	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 7/30/2011
Subject: Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting

Yes, Leon Redbone. Yes, Pope’s Crab House!!!! http://captbillys.com/ I believe Pope’s is now Capt. Billy's. There is a rail line down there that is a rail trial from Indian Head to Port Tobacco now, to keep this train related. Mike From: rick gough Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 11:30 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting Waits followed by Leon Redbone? Pope's Creek crab houses .... Captain John Drinks is still there I believe for the most authentic old days crab feasting one could ever dream of recreating. That's one of the fondest childhood memories; the other following Burma Shave ads on trips to upstate NY! rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing --- On Fri, 7/29/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 29, 2011, 1:19 PM Rick, Yes, as you where close to Port Tobacco which is mainly nothing there but a crab house. Don’t forget the MD blue crabs down there! Next up a Lobster sign for the diner. Tom Waits will be there signing Sausage and Eggs, YouTube it. LOL Theme song at my Branford Diner: nighthawks at the diner of Emma's 49er, there's a rendezvous of strangers around the coffee urn tonight all the gypsy hacks, the insomniacs now the paper's been read now the waitress said eggs and sausage and a side of toast coffee and a roll, hash browns over easy chile in a bowl with burgers and fries what kind of pie? In a graveyard charade, a late shift masquerade 2 for a quarter, dime for a dance with Woolworth rhinestone diamond earrings, and a sideway's glance and now the register rings and now the waitress sings (chorus) the classified section offered no direction it's a cold caffeine in a nicotine cloud now the touch of your fingers lingers burning in my memory I've been 86ed from your scheme I'm in a melodramatic nocturnal scene I'm a refugee from a disconcerted affair as the lead pipe morning falls and the waitress calls (chorus) Mike From: rick gough Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 2:26 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting All I remember from there is Tobacco ..... lots and lots of the addictive drug! rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 6:16 PM Rick. Got your private message about my corn signs, thanks! but my reply did not go through I think. Lots of corn signs in your old home town of La Plata MD at one time, I bet. Mike Marmer From: rick gough Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 4:10 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting Thanks Gene, All the parts now do look pretty. paint went very well as usual. I do all the mechanical first and give it a good test run in 'mule' form before even preping the body. Also have all the side rods, lanterns, hand rails shined/polished and ready for assembly. It's ready now but I have a race this weekend so likely a week away. Will try and remember to get a pic for you. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Gene Cimino <mailto:ecphora123%40yahoo.com> wrote: From: Gene Cimino <mailto:ecphora123%40yahoo.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Loco Bashing 101: Painting To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 11:34 AM mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | Approve mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65452	From: Dave	Date: 7/30/2011
Subject: SLOPE BACK TENDER KIT #CAT73111-1

We have just posted a photo of our first CHANGE-A-TENDER kit. It is item number #CAT73111-1 and may be viewed at the link below for those of you that are interested. http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html FOR FURTHER INFO. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP. Thank you all for your continuing support and SUPER KIT IDEAS. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65453	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: Clever Models Company House Kit

http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/1422963417 Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65454	From: sgaugian	Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: Re: TA Episodes with Flyer / S gauge segments

Thanks Brady. I forwarded that link to friends of mine in our S Gauge train club. If it helps find the Flyer parts go to 9:32 of the first episode, 20:26 of the second, and 8:35 of the third.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65455	From: Dave	Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: #21088 METAL COW CATCHER

We are now introducing a REPLACEMENT COW CATCHER FOR THE AF #21088 OR #21089. This one piece "CAST METAL UNIT" (replaces AF part PA15C582) has been expressly requested by AF owners of the above engines do to the breakage rate of the original or repro. plastic cow catchers. It also adds additional weight (1.5 oz) to the front of the engine that it has always needed for better tracking. Plus it is a favorite item for the kit bashing community doing CIVIL WAR TRAINS. To view item please use link below: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65456	From: Michael.McConnell	Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: Re: Burma-Shave Jingles

I have a few Burma-Shave signs up on my layout... I change them every so often... (One line per sign - usually 6 in a set) He Played A Sax Had No B.O. But His Whiskers Scratched So She Let Him Go Burma-Shave Grandpa's beard Was stiff and coarse And that's what Caused his Fifth divorce Burma-Shave A peach Looks good With lots of fuzz But man's no peach And never wuz Burma-Shave The big blue tube's Just like Louise You get A thrill From every squeeze Burma-Shave Don't Take A Curve At 60 Per We Hate To Lose A Customer Burma-Shave Keep Well To The Right Of The Oncoming Car Get Your Close Shaves From The Half-Pound Jar Burma-Shave Don't Pass Cars On Curve Or Hill If The Cops Don't Get You Morticians Will Burma-Shave Don't lose Your head To gain a minute You need your head Your brains are in it Burma-Shave >3a. Re: Burma-Shave Jingles >Posted by: "Tom Hawley" t.hawley@... hawleythos >Date: Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:20 am ((PDT)) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: WJJIM@... >The Burma-Shave signs were a victim of Lady Bird Johnson's battle against >billboards. Naturally, we lost the good humor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Each state administered its outdoor advertising control program as it saw >fit, as long as it met the minimum federal requirements. I was involved in >Michigan, from 1972, and I do not recall ever citing as illegal or forcing >removal of a Burma Shave sign. We did have some discussions Mail Pouch >Tobacco and King Edward Cigar advertisers. But for Burma Shave, I think it >had been an advertising campaign of an era, and the era came to a natural >end. > >Train wrecks few, reason clear. >Fireman doesn't hug engineer. >Burma Shave. > >is the one I remember, but that was from some little S scale Burma Shave >signs I had once. > >Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65457	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: Re: Burma-Shave Jingles

Here are two from 1951: Train wrecks few Reason clear Fireman Never hugs Engineer And another one: Train approaching Whistle squealing Pause! Avoid that Rundown feeling --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "acgilbertguy" <milepost407@...> wrote: > > Check out burma-shave.org They have all the jingles listed by year. There are dozens of them from 1927-1963. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65458	From: barb	Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: Update Photo Album

Hi Y'all, I have finally completed the chain link fence around the refinery and posted some pics in my album. http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album170/100_1007 is the link to view them. Thanks again to Bull Gator for info on his fence which helped me get started. Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65459	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: Re: Burma-Shave Jingles

Here is one from 1941: Trains don't wander All over the map For no one Sits on The engineer's lap --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "acgilbertguy" <milepost407@...> wrote: > > Check out burma-shave.org They have all the jingles listed by year. There are dozens of them from 1927-1963. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65460	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: Re: Update Photo Album

VERY well done. Jim Lyle In a message dated 7/31/2011 6:40:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rcespeak@... writes: http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album170/100_1007 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65461	From: Robert Conner	Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: Re: Update Photo Album

BARB..... You have done a BEAUTIFUL job!!!!!!!!! Keep up the good work..... Bob   PS.... Don't see the Girfaffe? PPS.... Love your backgrounds!!!!! PPPS.... Thanks for the news paper!!!!! --- On Sun, 7/31/11, barb <rcespeak@...> wrote: From: barb <rcespeak@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Update Photo Album To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 31, 2011, 5:18 PM   Hi Y'all, I have finally completed the chain link fence around the refinery and posted some pics in my album. http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album170/100_1007 is the link to view them. Thanks again to Bull Gator for info on his fence which helped me get started. Barb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65462	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/1/2011, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 65463	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: Latest "Bash"

Folks, I just added two more photos to the PHOTOS section here on the S Trains Yahoo group in the "Basher Stumpy" album. They are the second and third photos there. This is the just completed B&O Pacific, built from a #282 shell, a #283 chassis, and junk box parts of other Flyer "CNW" style Pacifics. The headlight has been moved from the center of the smoke box to the top of it to conform to common B&O practice. The hole where the original light was has been filled in with a short piece of dowel and a round plate for the B&O herald was placed in the center. This was made from the round punch outs using a paper punch and 3x5" file card. This was painted and an HO B&O herald decal applied. Moving the headlight required moving the bell, and it now resides atop the boiler between the domes, again as per most B&O 4-6-2 engines. The engine had a "cast" trailing truck added under the cab and additional coal added to the coal bunker. As usual, there's an engineer at the throttle. The engine was painted black with some mild weathering. While not as colorful as some of my other projects, I'm a B&O fan and couldn't resist making a B&O Pacific! The next project is coming along well now and I hope to have it finished by next weekend or a little later. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65464	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: Re: Update Photo Album

Hi Barb, That is an impressive looking fence. What is the basic ingredient? Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 7/31/2011 5:18 PM, barb wrote: > Hi Y'all, > > I have finally completed the chain link fence around the > refinery and posted some pics in my album. > > http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album170/100_1007 is the > link to view them. > > Thanks again to Bull Gator for info on his fence which > helped me get started. > > Barb > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65465	From: charlie and edith	Date: 7/31/2011
Subject: Spout Off

Greetings! I have an American Flyer Water Tank, model 215, which is without its spout. I would like to try to build a reasonable representation of the spout. I found a picture but need dimensions for the spout and weight, and the shape of the spout at the tank end as it appears to be square from the marks in the paint on the tank. For the string connection to the spout, is this a strap around the spout or an inverted y? Thanks for your help and best wishes, Charlie in WMI [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65466	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: Re: Latest "Bash"

Stumpy,      Just super! We are looking forward to your next KB unit ;o) Dave LBR Enterprises, llc --- On Sun, 7/31/11, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Latest "Bash" To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 31, 2011, 8:20 PM   Folks, I just added two more photos to the PHOTOS section here on the S Trains Yahoo group in the "Basher Stumpy" album. They are the second and third photos there. This is the just completed B&O Pacific, built from a #282 shell, a #283 chassis, and junk box parts of other Flyer "CNW" style Pacifics. The headlight has been moved from the center of the smoke box to the top of it to conform to common B&O practice. The hole where the original light was has been filled in with a short piece of dowel and a round plate for the B&O herald was placed in the center. This was made from the round punch outs using a paper punch and 3x5" file card. This was painted and an HO B&O herald decal applied. Moving the headlight required moving the bell, and it now resides atop the boiler between the domes, again as per most B&O 4-6-2 engines. The engine had a "cast" trailing truck added under the cab and additional coal added to the coal bunker. As usual, there's an engineer at the throttle. The engine was painted black with some mild weathering. While not as colorful as some of my other projects, I'm a B&O fan and couldn't resist making a B&O Pacific! The next project is coming along well now and I hope to have it finished by next weekend or a little later. Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65467	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: Re: Update Photo Album

Hi Barb: Tried to send a note to you (rather through s-trains) but wouldn't deliver to rc...@.... In any event, looks good. Rance On 8/1/2011 1:07 AM, Robert Conner wrote: > > BARB..... You have done a BEAUTIFUL job!!!!!!!!! Keep up the good > work..... Bob > > PS.... Don't see the Girfaffe? > PPS.... Love your backgrounds!!!!! > PPPS.... Thanks for the news paper!!!!! > > --- On Sun, 7/31/11, barb <rcespeak@... > <mailto:rcespeak%40earthlink.net>> wrote: > > From: barb <rcespeak@... <mailto:rcespeak%40earthlink.net>> > Subject: [S-Trains] Update Photo Album > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sunday, July 31, 2011, 5:18 PM > > > > Hi Y'all, > > I have finally completed the chain link fence around the > refinery and posted some pics in my album. > > http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album170/100_1007 is the > link to view them. > > Thanks again to Bull Gator for info on his fence which > helped me get started. > > Barb > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65468	From: workinalure	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: Re: Update Photo Album

Sure glad to see your creation back together again. It has had quite a journey from Florida. Good job! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65469	From: aztecfan	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: a train song from the 50's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7_IMEvr9ek&feature=autoplay&list=AVGxdCwVVULXe6LlnUr4xWjjxSFiNBrV-E&index=2&playnext=2 Look up some of his 1958 hits. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65470	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: Re: Update Photo Album

Hi Barb, The fence looks great! Maybe we should go into business together and market a fence kit? David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, barb <rcespeak@...> wrote: > > Hi Y'all, > > I have finally completed the chain link fence around the > refinery and posted some pics in my album. > > http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album170/100_1007 is the > link to view them. > > Thanks again to Bull Gator for info on his fence which > helped me get started. > > Barb >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65471	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: Re: Latest "Bash"

Stumpy.... I like it! Did you recycle the flyer headlight or is it something else? Also, the tender looks a bit lengthened. Is that an optical illusion due to the Baltimore and Ohio lettering. Sitting at my computer, I can't visualize the length of the tender that came with the C&NW style Pacifics. What sort of decal did you use for the tender? Thanks, Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65472	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: Re: a train song from the 50's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRSJWKogKYU Yikes,1958, just kidding Jim, but lets move forward to 1987 with John Stewart’s Runaway Train. John was a member of the Kingston Trio, not original member, at one time. Mike Marmer From: aztecfan Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 7:38 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] a train song from the 50's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7_IMEvr9ek&feature=autoplay&list=AVGxdCwVVULXe6LlnUr4xWjjxSFiNBrV-E&index=2&playnext=2 Look up some of his 1958 hits. Jim Sleeth [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65473	From: Al Baker	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: Re: Latest "Bash"

Good job Stumpy!! Looks great! Al Baker portland --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Folks, I just added two more photos to the PHOTOS section here on the S Trains Yahoo group in the "Basher Stumpy" album. They are the second and third photos there. > This is the just completed B&O Pacific, built from a #282 shell, a #283 chassis, and junk box parts of other Flyer "CNW" style Pacifics. The headlight has been moved from the center of the smoke box to the top of it to conform to common B&O practice. The hole where the original light was has been filled in with a short piece of dowel and a round plate for the B&O herald was placed in the center. This was made from the round punch outs using a paper punch and 3x5" file card. This was painted and an HO B&O herald decal applied. > Moving the headlight required moving the bell, and it now resides atop the boiler between the domes, again as per most B&O 4-6-2 engines. > The engine had a "cast" trailing truck added under the cab and additional coal added to the coal bunker. As usual, there's an engineer at the throttle. The engine was painted black with some mild weathering. > While not as colorful as some of my other projects, I'm a B&O fan and couldn't resist making a B&O Pacific! > The next project is coming along well now and I hope to have it finished by next weekend or a little later. > Stumpy in Appalachia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65474	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: A Frame for a Ten Wheeler

Anyone here know anything about making or bashing a Flyer type frame for a ten wheeler. I don't want to just use a Pacific or Hudson frame as the rear driver set would actually be too closely spaced to the middle set. On a ten wheeler there should be about a 17% difference for the rear drivers as compared to the space between the front and middle ones. I've seen pictures of bashed locomotives that were termed ten wheelers with a Flyer six wheel frame. They just don't cut it visually when compared to a ten wheeler prototype. I thought maybe someone here might have at one time done something similar to this. Thanks in advance.... Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65475	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/1/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Monday August 1, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65476	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: Latest "bash"

The headlight is a piece of plastic tubing that fit the old Flyer headlight lens rod. The tender is the common plastic tender, the only modification was to add coal to the coal pile. The decals are Microscale HO "B&O STEAM LOCOMOTIVE" decals which I already had. These days LBR makes a better set for S gauge. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65477	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: Re: A frame for a Ten Wheeler

Gene, I have been considering just this bash for some time, but it is "down the food chain" for now. I think that using an Atlantic chassis under the Pacific shell and adding an extension behind the Atlantic drivers for a third set of driving wheels would work well. The third set of drivers could be spaced however you want them. This would also solve another problem; If you just shorten the Pacific shell to put the cab over the drivers, the motor will hang out the back of the cab quite a distance. Ten Wheelers were also made with three close and equally spaced drivers, but the Rogers Locomotive Works style with spread axles does look cool. Ten Wheelers were also "Turn of the Century" era locos. At this time the extended smoke box was popular, so you might consider adding to the front of the Pacific shell a bit ahead of the cylinders. The #300 Atlantics have this appearance for example. Short, low sided tenders were usually used at that time. The Franklin tender would look good, but you could shorten the common plastic tender behind the coal bunker and it would look right also. Best of luck and please keep all of we "Bashers" up to date! Stumpy in Appaalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65478	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: S scale trains for sale

Below is a list of S scale trains I'm selling for a guy that visited our train club.  For reference purposes, I show 2010 Greenberg book values (adjusted for condition), but these should not be interpreted as asking prices. Make an offer I can't refuse! Please include your address so I can calculate shipping charges and send you an invoice with the total. Qty Mfg Model Short Description Notes Condition Box book value 1 AF 322 Hudson locomotive Lettering faded on one side of tender; coupler is broken and needs to be replaced; the bracket in the cab that holds the drawbar has broken out of the cab; I don't know whether it can be fixed. C-6 N ??? 1 AF 474 Chrome Rocket Alco powered PA E-Unit works reliably, but engine struggles to move either direction; needs servicing; has all four ladders; most of the chrome is VG, only a few flaking spots, but the nose is covered with silver tape; front right wheel well is broken out; middle horn is broken C-5 N $85.00 1 AF 474 Chrome Rocket Alco PA shell horns and ladders missing; lettering & decals VG; chrome is faded, but has very little flaking C-5/C-6 N $20.00 1 AF 633 Unpainted red B&O Boxcar Diecast frame. One door nib and both latches missing; only slight roof warping; no rust; clear lettering; significant scratching C-5 N $10.00 1 AF 638 AF Caboose Two steps, two journal boxes, chimney, & railings missing; catwalk end & roof corner broken off; crack in one side; moderate scratching; rusty trucks and frame C-3 N $1.00 1 AF 640 hopper unpainted gray with white lettering; one missing step; otherwise C-7 C-6/C-7 N $11.00 1 AF 650 Unpainted red New Haven Coach Car diecast frame; white framing is almost all worn off; small roof warp; some scratching; no rust; very good lettering C-5/C-6 N $30.00 1 AF 650 Unpainted red New Haven Coach Car diecast frame; white framing is almost all worn off; lettering badly faded; small roof warp; crack in one side; some scratching; no rust C-5 N $22.00 1 AF 651 AFL Baggage Car Incipient rust on trucks and frame; playwear paint loss on high spots; top is pretty badly scratched; sides ok C-5 N $35.00 1 AF 651 New Haven Baggage Car diecast frame; moderate scratching C-5/C-6 N $20.00 1 AF 655 New Haven Coach windows and diffuser are missing; frame is badly rusted; wheels are dirty; white trim is in remarkably good condition; top and sides are badly scratched C-4 N $10.00 1 AF 655 New Haven Coach windows and diffuser are missing; frame is badly rusted; wheels are dirty; white trim is in remarkably good condition; top and sides are badly scratched C-4 N $10.00 1 AF 660 Aluminum Combo Car I cleaned wheels and dirty door; secured loose windows on both sides; straightened bent door; scratches in aluminum make it C-6 C-6 N $45.00 1 AF 661 Aluminum Coach Car I cleaned wheels; secured loose windows on both sides; scratches in aluminum make it C-6 C-6 N $65.00 1 AF 662 Aluminum Vista Dome Car I cleaned wheels; secured loose windows on one side; scratches in aluminum & dome make it C-6 C-6 N $55.00 1 AF 663 Aluminum Observation Car I cleaned wheels; secured loose windows on back; discoloration in back and scratches in aluminum make it C-6 C-6 N $65.00 1 AF 690 Track Terminal C-7 N $1.00 1 AF 702 curved track no pins C-6 N $0.50 1 AF 715 Auto unloading flatcar works well and is C-6/C-7 condition, but car is missing; toy truck substituted; such 715s sell for $60. C-6/C-7 N $60.00 1 AF 722 Manual Switches one has two badly rusted rails C-5 N $10.00 1 AF 938 AFL Caboose one catwalk end cracked; top badly scratched C-5/C-6 N $7.00 1 AF 9500 SP Combo Car C-10 Y $90.00 1 AF 9503 SP Observation Car C-10 Y $90.00 1 AF 21088 Franklin engine struggles to run – needs servicing; part of Franklin sticker is missing; bell needs to be glued back on C-6 N $85.00 1 AF 24720 Unpainted FY&PRR Coach Car one big scratch C-6/C-7 N $36.00 1 AF 24730 Unpainted FY&PRR Baggage Car C-6/C-7 N $35.00 1 AF 24740 Unpainted FY&PRR Combo Car chimney missing; couple of bad scratches C-6 N $40.00 1 AF D2007 1957 catalog P-9 N $38.00 4 GarGraves S Gauge track 37” straight rigid stainless steel track Ex N $38.00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65479	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: Re: Privacy Concerns.....

As I recall, this was a pretty hot issue at the NASG annual meetings 3-4 years ago. The hope was that NASG could carry a similar blanket policy which would cover the local S-clubs, even if we (the clubs) had to kick in some money toward it. I don't believe anything ever came of it. <<< A few decades ago one of our then members inquired about liability insurance for the members for when we hosted the NASG convention. He had read somewhere (and I think he produced the article) about a module club that was showing at a hobby shop. Someone tripped over a leg of either the module or outer barrier and sued everyone. If my memory was correct, the club was very loosely formed, but all of the members were also sued. Our member ending up quitting over this and went into zero scale. Oh well... Don T. The NMRA does provide a very good system of liability coverage for members and 100% clubs. As a member of our local San Jacinto Model RR Club, which is 100% NMRA, our annual show is covered, my open house is covered along with 60+ layouts in the area. Our club used to have to spend several thousand per show for a 1-2 day show. It's pretty much a non-issue now. Bob W.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65480	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: Re: TA Episodes with Flyer / S gauge segments

<< Thanks Brady. I forwarded that link to friends of mine in our S Gauge train club. If it helps find the Flyer parts go to 9:32 of the first episode, 20:26 of the second, and 8:35 of the third. >> Thanks for the info, I updated the page Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65481	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/1/2011
Subject: Relevance

----- Original Message ----- To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; NASGCommitteeChairs@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 6:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Privacy Concerns..... As I recall, this was a pretty hot issue at the NASG annual meetings 3-4 years ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The subject line was Privacy Concerns. I don't get the relevance of the comments. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65482	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 8/2/2011
Subject: Re: Latest "bash"

Thank you Stumpy and lets hear a bid round of applause for all of the kit bashers and all of the would be kit bashers out there. Little by little the operators are coming to the dark side. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc --- On Mon, 8/1/11, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Latest "bash" To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 1, 2011, 9:05 PM   The headlight is a piece of plastic tubing that fit the old Flyer headlight lens rod. The tender is the common plastic tender, the only modification was to add coal to the coal pile. The decals are Microscale HO "B&O STEAM LOCOMOTIVE" decals which I already had. These days LBR makes a better set for S gauge. Stumpy in Appalachia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65483	From: Bob C	Date: 8/2/2011
Subject: Images From Layout Tour #26

Images From Layout Tour #26 Below is a link to images of nine of the fifteen layouts on last Saturday's layout tour. Included are nine images from the Inland Terminal S-scale Club in Lawndale, CA. These are courtesy of Herbert Alfred Mayer. Thanks, Herb! Bob Chaparro Moderator Model Railroads Of Southern California http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/ +++++ You can find photos of Model Railroads of Southern California Tour #26 at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mayer8ha/collections/72157627211378175/ Images from previous tours can be found at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mayer8ha/collections/72157626123513412/ Any of these photos may be downloaded at several resolution (up to full): 1) Click on the set you want. 2) Click on the photo you want. 3) Above the photo, click on "ALL SIZES". 4) Above the photo, click on the size you want. PLEASE NOTE: flickr has changed things. Click on the photo. Click a second time. Now the photo is on a black background. At the upper right is "All Sizes". Select what you want and then download. 5) Click on "Download the TBD size. 6) Save file to your desired folder on your computer. 7) Please note that at the upper right of the screen there is a provision to run the photos as a slideshow. This feature is not obvious. If you want the picture title to be displayed, move the mouse to the upper right-hand corner of the picture and check "Always show title and descriptions" in the Options Menu. This feature does not work until you restart the slideshow. To exit the slideshow, select "Back to ..." on the upper left-hand corner of the picture. If you have any questions, call me at 805-428-7332 Sincerely, Herbert Alfred Mayer TCA 64-1119

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65484	From: barb	Date: 8/3/2011
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5367

Hi Group, Thanks to all for the kind words and encouragement regarding my chain link fence. I'll answer Bill's question about the basic ingredient as follows: The posts are nail gun nails that are 2" long. They are hammered into the homosote to be 1 1/2" high. No need to paint. The stringers are .035 in diameter steel wires that I bought at a local train hobby shop and spray painted with Rustoleum silver. The fence is small screening purchased at Home Depot and cut on a diagonal to be 1 1/2" tall. No need to paint. First install the nails 1 1/2 inches apart. Use super Glue to glue the stringers just below the top of the posts. And lastly, glue the screening to the stringers with a little of the screening sticking above the stringer (for looks). That's about it. Give it a try. It's tedious but not difficult except for exceptional "what-do-I-do-about-this" situations we all run into. PS To the question I received via email, the ground cover is bird cage grit that is actually crushed walnut shells and smells good. PPS Vance my email address ends in .net not .com - thus the reason your email could not be delivered. :-) Re: Update Photo Album Posted by: "Rance and Bente" velapoldi@... velapoldinetcomno Mon Aug 1, 2011 7:15 am (PDT) Hi Barb: Tried to send a note to you (rather through s-trains) but wouldn't deliver to rc...@.... In any event, looks good. Rance On 8/1/2011 1:07 AM, Robert Conner wrote: > > BARB..... You have done a BEAUTIFUL job!!!!!!!!! Keep up the good > work..... Bob > > PS.... Don't see the Girfaffe? > PPS.... Love your backgrounds!!!!! > PPPS.... Thanks for the news paper!!!!! > > --- On Sun, 7/31/11, barb <rcespeak@... > <mailto:rcespeak%40earthlink.net>> wrote: > > From: barb <rcespeak@... <mailto:rcespeak%40earthlink.net>> > Subject: [S-Trains] Update Photo Album > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sunday, July 31, 2011, 5:18 PM > > > > Hi Y'all, > > I have finally completed the chain link fence around the > refinery and posted some pics in my album. > > http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album170/100_1007 is the > link to view them. > > Thanks again to Bull Gator for info on his fence which > helped me get started. > > Barb >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65485	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 8/3/2011
Subject: Re: A frame for a Ten Wheeler

Well Stumpy, I think you guessed where I'm going with this idea. Yes it is in the Rogers vein. The original Casy Jones on the old IC was indeed a ten wheeler made by Rogers. It was rebuilt several times after the Jones legendary wreck. Apparently his "wrecklessness" finally caught up with him. His legendary "wipperwill whistle" didn't save him. Actually the locomotive was in several more wrecks until it was finally scrapped as a bad luck case. The "modenized version was quite pleasing visually relative to the original "old style". In any case it's really too bad that the Gilbert version is so toy like and miss matched scale wise. It would be quite a challenge to turn one into something realistic. There is someone on the web who claims that he is working on using a Casy Jones to make an Omaha Railroad ten wheeler. Can't wait to see if he pulls that one off. Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65486	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/3/2011
Subject: Western Maryland RR site

http://www.wmwestsub.com/ this site is for the W MD Rail trail that is still in the air from every being done, long story, but this person has lots of old photos with side by side abandon pictures. Bats and people in WVA are holding up this project as 22 miles are done. He also has pictures for the Great Allegheny Trail or GAP before and now. You could spend hours on this site. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65487	From: Dave	Date: 8/4/2011
Subject: ATLANTIC Quartering Tool

As everyone knows the pre-1966 AF Atlantic engine drive wheels are probably the most forgiving drive wheels to quarter after removal from their axles. Most hobbyists simply, as they say, can EYE BALL the correct positioning for re-installation. However, the positioning of the divers at 90 degrees as in the real world does not conform to the specs. that the A.C. Gilbert Co. layed down those many years ago which brings us to the NEW QUARTERING TOOL that we will be offering very soon. This is a PROFESSIONAL GRADE quartering tool that sets the drivers at 87 degrees (you can't eye ball this measurement) which makes up for all of the slop in the linkages that GILBERT allowed for in the beginning thus allowing the engines to operate in the most efficient way possible. You will be able to re-install your drivers in SECONDS, not minutes. Once purchased you will always wonder how you did with out this tool before. PRICE: $44.95 which includes shipping.Thank you all for your continuing support and "GREAT IDEAS". Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65488	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 8/4/2011
Subject: New AF Offers on Website

Hi Group members.  I've added four new American Flyer offerings for sale: K325 NYC Hudson with four car set including the 929 MP Stock car, 931 Gondola, 925 Gulf tanker and the hard to find 930 Red Caboose.  No boxes.  Very nice smoker with choo-choo and air chime whistle in tender.  Priced at $354.00. 21088 FY&P Franklin steam engine and four passenger cars including (two) 24720 Coaches, 24730 Overland Baggage, and 24740 Baggage Express Combo.  No boxes.  Priced at $240.00. K325 NYC Hudson with smoke, choo-choo, and air chime whistle.  Does have a repaired rear step on the tender and slight Herald blemish.  Priced at $189.00. Two five digit American Flyer cranes in C-7 shape.  They are the 24543 and 24561 plastic cranes made from 1958 and 1960.  Both for $90.00. Shipping and insurance is additional on these offerings and you can view them on my website at www.americanflyertrains4u.com Thanks and have a great rest of the week. Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65489	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/4/2011
Subject: San Diego S-Gaugers yard operations video

I posted a new video to YouTube overnight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B5pzLneJlc Believe it or not, this was done is one take with no script and no rehearsal.  Ok, ok, yes, it does show in spots! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65490	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/4/2011
Subject: FYI from Mike

Valley Rail Trains-Best Prices Merchants Square Mall 1901 S 12th Street Allentown Pa 18103 610-440-0487 http://www.mosttrains.com Friday 12-9 Sat 10-7 Sun 10-5 Volunteers Wanted The Train Museum is moving forward on the second floor. If you would like to be a part of the 8000 square foot layout please call Mike at 610-797-8051. You do not have to be experienced just have the desire to learn and participate. Lots to see and do. American Flyer/Gilbert Ho Trains in this week..Gilbert Ho Boxed Items-Some Mint Gilbert Ho 505 Gondola Car-$20.00 Gilbert Ho 502 Cattle Car-$20.00 Gilbert Ho 510 Cement Car-$20.00 Gilbert Ho XHO518 Koppers Chemical Car-33518-$20.00 Gilbert Ho 520 Northwestern Refrigerator Line-$20.00 Gilbert Ho 33500 Tank Car-$20.00 Gilbert Ho 33526 Refrigerator Car-$20.00 Gilbert Ho 516 Caboose-$20.00 Gilbert Ho 524 Refridgerator Car-$20.00 Gilbert Ho 33500 Tank Car-$20.00 Gilbert Ho 506 Caboose-$20.00 Gilbert Ho 34625 Crossover $5.00 Gilbert Ho 433 Switcher Box Fair $38.00 Gilbert Ho 421 B and O A unit Box Fair $48.00 Gilbert Ho 504 Refridgerator Car $20.00 Loose Rolling stock all cars $15.00 each,While they last Gilbert 33214 Sante Fe Hopper Car Gilbert 33212 Sante Fe Hopper Car Gilbert 131 Lighted Caboose Gilbert 30883 Hooker Tank Car Gilbert 126 Sinclair Car Gilbert 33517 Mobil Gas Tank Car Gilbert 514 Seaboard Box Car Gilbert 127 T and P Gondola Gilbert 33522 Boston and Maine Box Car Gilbert 513 B and O Box Car Gilbert 124 MDT Refridgerator Car Gilbert 33512 New Haven Box car Gilbert 512 New Haven Box Car Gilbert 504 Pacific Fruit Express Gilbert 521 Northern Pacific Box car Gilbert 33523 D and RGW Cookie Box Car Gilbert 33820 American Flyer Tie Car Gilbert 33618 Erie Caboose Gilbert 33827 PRR Caboose Gilbert 33506 PRR Caboose Gilbert 33219 B and O Hopper Gilbert 33217 NYC Hopper Rolling Stock, Passenger Cars,Engines, Gilbert Lackawanna 420 A and B unit $90.00 for both American Flyer Coal Loader 33785 w Box $20.00 Gilbert 33545 Flat Car $10.00 Gilbert 33527 Flat Car $10.00 Gilbert Pre-Production F3 shell-$6.00 Gilbert Northern Pacific Passenger Cars #543,#524,#541,#540 all four $80.00 Gilbert Northern Pacific A Unit 31032 $45.00 Gilbert Northern Pacific Passenger Cars #33542,#33540 $20.00 each Gilbert 129 Transformer Car $20.00 Gilbert 33511 3 dome Tank car $20.00 Gilbert 31036 Erie 0-6-0 $38.00 Gilbert 443 4-6-4 $50.00 Gilbert 31004 0-6-0 $38.00 Gilbert 31037 Minneapolis and St Louis F3 $45.00 Gilbert 430 Alco ,Has all handrails $70.00 Gilbert 31017 Chesapeake and Ohio $70.00 Gilbert 155 0-6-0 $38.00 We also go in some custom S Scale Buildings, Lehigh Valley Model S Scale Kits and some other custom S scale items. New items every week. All the new AFX Mega G slot cars are also in. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65491	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 8/4/2011
Subject: Re: Caboose Prototype

Rich and Mike, It took a little time (folks were on vacation) but I finally got the information about where to send and potential donations for the caboose restoration. Checks should be CCHS / Ridgely Chapter and in memo: Ridgely Caboose. Address is: Ridgely Historical Society P.O. Box 155 Ridgely, Md. 21660 I have also put a couple of my photos Photo section at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1777227737/pic/list Jim From: richs009 Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 5:54 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Caboose Prototype Jim -- Mike's picture shows that the ACG Reading caboose is dead-on with the prototype. Now if all of us that own one of the S versions would send the historical society a small donation ($10, 20, whatever) I'll bet we could help them out with funding their restoration. Given the previous discussions we've just had linking ACG productions with prototypes and that this caboose must be one of most numerous products from Flyer, donations from Flyer caboose owners would help them out quite a bit. Many of the ACG cabooses (and even some of the more recent Flyonel issues) look like this one, just without the Reading logo. Give us a name and address for the historical group -- better, post Mike's picture and the address in the Photos section (that way it will be easier to find) -- my check is in an envelope ready to go... thanks, - Rich --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Jim Hannawald" <jhannawald@...> wrote: > > Several years ago I put out request for help in identifying a caboose that the Town of Ridgely, Maryland had bought and miss-labeled it as a prototype for Lionel’s caboose in the local papers. With information from this group I was able to refute their claim and that it was actually used for American Flyer. For the past year the historical society has been trying to document the caboose. After many emails back and forth, I received the following this morning. Thought it would be of interest to group. > > Jim Hannawald > > Hello Jim, > > Well, I have solved some mysteries about our caboose...found out that the letters on the side of Reading caboose NMh means: > > N - Northeast line > M- metal > h - is the class > > Sometimes there was a date too..date made. We are so excited to get to know the person who actually owned this caboose...he lives near Smyrna...we picked him up on Wednesday...he went over the caboose and said "She's still alive!" He opened something like a tank and a hissing noise escaped...he was very happy. > > His name is Dr. Peter Morganstern ..he was a station master at the Reading Line and left to become a preacher. He bought this caboose and moved it in 1984 to Kings Creek, Md....a vacation site..he used it like a little hotel. > > Dr. Morganstern told us that after he bought the caboose, he was still at Reading...the VP showed him documents concerning AC Gilbert and the American Flyer using "his" caboose as the model. Supposedly, AC Gilbert"s brother (WW I vet) was sent to Reading along with a photographer...they saw caboose (just finished being built) and picked it. > > Would love to see documentation but, Dr. Morganstern thinks that records were lost as company was sold to Lionel and his caboose was sold to Black River & Western. However, I will still try through their archives to see if someone can find that document for us ! > > Dr. Morganstern is willing to restore caboose, wants to contact some of his RR friends and personally knows the owner of Bachman Toys...who he thinks may be of some help. > > We would like to start scraping the caboose in September...will prime it then paint it red....the original color...not Black River &Western. Dr. Morganstern did lend us a book called: Reading Company Cabooses by John W. Hall....it is a wonderful book and we have ordered it ...has blue prints on caboose and other wonderful facts ! > > Wanted to pass our story onto you....maybe you can stop over sometime and take a look at the "little caboose" as it's being restored ! > > Cathy & Rick > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65492	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/4/2011
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Western Maryland RR site

A easy way to scroll down the links is start on any link on the side and scroll down to see past and present pictures. When you are at the bottom of the pictures, you can click go west or go east. We bike ride from Pearre to Hancock to Fort Frederick is open now. About 22 miles one way. Just amazing to see the rail line as it was as we ride on it now, as it is completely paved and saved for future generations to use. And many do walk on the trail too. Or run. http://www.wmwestsub.com/ Click picture to enter and click on any side link Mike Marmer From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:51 PM To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Ron Palmquist ; Steve Conard Subject: [toytrains] Western Maryland RR site http://www.wmwestsub.com/ this site is for the W MD Rail trail that is still in the air from every being done, long story, but this person has lots of old photos with side by side abandon pictures. Bats and people in WVA are holding up this project as 22 miles are done. He also has pictures for the Great Allegheny Trail or GAP before and now. You could spend hours on this site. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65493	From: frank emiro	Date: 8/4/2011
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers yard operations video

Nice box car behind the docksider. "Live Free or Die" Frank R. EMIRO --- On Thu, 8/4/11, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: [S-Trains] San Diego S-Gaugers yard operations video To: s-trains@..., "Jim Andrews" <DanGodfrey@...>, "Eric Bense" <EricBense@...>, "Graves Bob - my SBC" <robtgraves@...>, "Gabriel Bradford" <gabrielb@...>, "Lee Davis" <lee.barb58@...>, "Mike Forys" <papawhale@...>, "Peter Gagnon" <p.gagnon@...>, "Harlan Hatz" <hfh2@...>, "Ray Hunter" <rbroutwst@...>, "Richard Ieler" <whiffleskater@...>, "Al Keil" <awkeil@...>, "Jay Kruer" <jkruer1@...>, "Roland Martinez" <verdescape@...>, "Jim Patterson" <kc6ktj@...>, "Raulf Polichar" <polichar@...>, "Alex Sibbald" <innotron@...>, "Jim Stockfisch" <jjandpjs@...>, "Dan Touchstone" <dtouchstone@...> Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 11:04 AM   I posted a new video to YouTube overnight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B5pzLneJlc Believe it or not, this was done is one take with no script and no rehearsal.  Ok, ok, yes, it does show in spots! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65494	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/4/2011
Subject: Re: Caboose Prototype

Thanks Jim, Check is in the mail. Good luck with this. Mike From: Jim Hannawald Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:12 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Caboose Prototype Rich and Mike, It took a little time (folks were on vacation) but I finally got the information about where to send and potential donations for the caboose restoration. Checks should be CCHS / Ridgely Chapter and in memo: Ridgely Caboose. Address is: Ridgely Historical Society P.O. Box 155 Ridgely, Md. 21660 I have also put a couple of my photos Photo section at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1777227737/pic/list Jim From: richs009 Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 5:54 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Caboose Prototype Jim -- Mike's picture shows that the ACG Reading caboose is dead-on with the prototype. Now if all of us that own one of the S versions would send the historical society a small donation ($10, 20, whatever) I'll bet we could help them out with funding their restoration. Given the previous discussions we've just had linking ACG productions with prototypes and that this caboose must be one of most numerous products from Flyer, donations from Flyer caboose owners would help them out quite a bit. Many of the ACG cabooses (and even some of the more recent Flyonel issues) look like this one, just without the Reading logo. Give us a name and address for the historical group -- better, post Mike's picture and the address in the Photos section (that way it will be easier to find) -- my check is in an envelope ready to go... thanks, - Rich --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Jim Hannawald" <jhannawald@...> wrote: > > Several years ago I put out request for help in identifying a caboose that the Town of Ridgely, Maryland had bought and miss-labeled it as a prototype for Lionel’s caboose in the local papers. With information from this group I was able to refute their claim and that it was actually used for American Flyer. For the past year the historical society has been trying to document the caboose. After many emails back and forth, I received the following this morning. Thought it would be of interest to group. > > Jim Hannawald > > Hello Jim, > > Well, I have solved some mysteries about our caboose...found out that the letters on the side of Reading caboose NMh means: > > N - Northeast line > M- metal > h - is the class > > Sometimes there was a date too..date made. We are so excited to get to know the person who actually owned this caboose...he lives near Smyrna...we picked him up on Wednesday...he went over the caboose and said "She's still alive!" He opened something like a tank and a hissing noise escaped...he was very happy. > > His name is Dr. Peter Morganstern ..he was a station master at the Reading Line and left to become a preacher. He bought this caboose and moved it in 1984 to Kings Creek, Md....a vacation site..he used it like a little hotel. > > Dr. Morganstern told us that after he bought the caboose, he was still at Reading...the VP showed him documents concerning AC Gilbert and the American Flyer using "his" caboose as the model. Supposedly, AC Gilbert"s brother (WW I vet) was sent to Reading along with a photographer...they saw caboose (just finished being built) and picked it. > > Would love to see documentation but, Dr. Morganstern thinks that records were lost as company was sold to Lionel and his caboose was sold to Black River & Western. However, I will still try through their archives to see if someone can find that document for us ! > > Dr. Morganstern is willing to restore caboose, wants to contact some of his RR friends and personally knows the owner of Bachman Toys...who he thinks may be of some help. > > We would like to start scraping the caboose in September...will prime it then paint it red....the original color...not Black River &Western. Dr. Morganstern did lend us a book called: Reading Company Cabooses by John W. Hall....it is a wonderful book and we have ordered it ...has blue prints on caboose and other wonderful facts ! > > Wanted to pass our story onto you....maybe you can stop over sometime and take a look at the "little caboose" as it's being restored ! > > Cathy & Rick > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65495	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 8/4/2011
Subject: Re: Caboose Prototype

Mel, Your right it is on a track, was originally Pennsylvania RR. Most of the track is still there. It was a branch off of the Pennsylvania RR's Delmarva peninsula line. It survived the Penn Central years but was later sold off as part of the Maryland & Delaware (MDDE) instead of becoming part of Conrail. From the web site http://www.abandonedrails.com/Clayton_to_Easton_and_Oxford The depot still stands about a block from the caboose. Jim -----Original Message----- From: clipper841@... Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 4:51 PM To: jhannawald@... Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Caboose Prototype hi jim: in the second photo it appears, that the caboose is sitting on an abandoned piece of track that appears to have crossed the road at one time, and that the trail appears to be part of a rails to trials project, any idea of what railroad/branch that this track was part of at one time? thanks mel perry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65496	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 8/4/2011
Subject: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?

O scale had Frank Ellison, HO had John Allen (and still has) David Barrow and Allen McClellan. All inspirational and sometimes revolutionary with their ideas. Was there anyone in S that had a similar impact? Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65497	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 8/4/2011
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers yard operations video

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B5pzLneJlc > > Believe it or not, this was done is one take with no script and no rehearsal.  Ok, ok, yes, it does show in spots! > It's nice to see "operation" with Flyer Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65498	From: Neil Trump	Date: 8/4/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Quartering Tool

Dave, Why don't you produce a quartering tool for a single axle only? The other tools you produce are brilliant if you are going to do a lot of this work and need to do it quickly as did the factory, but for most of us we probably only need to work on the one axle with the pul-mor rims. Even if we need to do all the axles it isn't going to be a hardship to do them one at a time. You would use less material, it would be common to all standard wheeled engines, shipping would be less and so would the actual purchase price. You would also only need to make two types, a standard one and one for the smaller 0-8-0/0-6-0 engines. Regards, Neil Sent from Neil's iPad On 4 Aug 2011, at 12:46, "Dave" <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > As everyone knows the pre-1966 AF Atlantic engine drive wheels are probably the most forgiving drive wheels to quarter after removal from their axles. Most hobbyists simply, as they say, can EYE BALL the correct positioning for re-installation. However, the positioning of the divers at 90 degrees as in the real world does not conform to the specs. that the A.C. Gilbert Co. layed down those many years ago which brings us to the NEW QUARTERING TOOL that we will be offering very soon. This is a PROFESSIONAL GRADE quartering tool that sets the drivers at 87 degrees (you can't eye ball this measurement) which makes up for all of the slop in the linkages that GILBERT allowed for in the beginning thus allowing the engines to operate in the most efficient way possible. You will be able to re-install your drivers in SECONDS, not minutes. Once purchased you will always wonder how you did with out this tool before. PRICE: $44.95 which includes shipping.Thank you all for your continuing support and "GREAT IDEAS". > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65499	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Quartering Tool

Neil,      A brilliant idea. I'll get with my machinist and see what we can do with this. Dave --- On Thu, 8/4/11, Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> wrote: From: Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 2:16 PM   Dave, Why don't you produce a quartering tool for a single axle only? The other tools you produce are brilliant if you are going to do a lot of this work and need to do it quickly as did the factory, but for most of us we probably only need to work on the one axle with the pul-mor rims. Even if we need to do all the axles it isn't going to be a hardship to do them one at a time. You would use less material, it would be common to all standard wheeled engines, shipping would be less and so would the actual purchase price. You would also only need to make two types, a standard one and one for the smaller 0-8-0/0-6-0 engines. Regards, Neil Sent from Neil's iPad On 4 Aug 2011, at 12:46, "Dave" <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > As everyone knows the pre-1966 AF Atlantic engine drive wheels are probably the most forgiving drive wheels to quarter after removal from their axles. Most hobbyists simply, as they say, can EYE BALL the correct positioning for re-installation. However, the positioning of the divers at 90 degrees as in the real world does not conform to the specs. that the A.C. Gilbert Co. layed down those many years ago which brings us to the NEW QUARTERING TOOL that we will be offering very soon. This is a PROFESSIONAL GRADE quartering tool that sets the drivers at 87 degrees (you can't eye ball this measurement) which makes up for all of the slop in the linkages that GILBERT allowed for in the beginning thus allowing the engines to operate in the most efficient way possible. You will be able to re-install your drivers in SECONDS, not minutes. Once purchased you will always wonder how you did with out this tool before. PRICE: $44.95 which includes shipping.Thank you all for your continuing support and "GREAT IDEAS". > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65500	From: Roy	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?

IMHO, the closest person S has to those guys is Frank Titman. Roy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: > > O scale had Frank Ellison, HO had John Allen (and still has) David Barrow and Allen McClellan. All inspirational and sometimes revolutionary with their ideas. > > Was there anyone in S that had a similar impact? > > > Brady Burdge >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65501	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Quartering Tool

Neil,      A little up date on this future item. FIRST: It would cost more as there are more parts to machine, probably and this is a guess, between $65.00 to $125.00 each but it would replace all of the other quartering tools thus a repair person would only require 2 of these for all of the different drive wheel arrangements including the kit bashing community when they start doing their ten wheelers. You forgot that only one wheel has a stud so a threaded false stud would have to be produced for the non-studed wheels. Also, it must have a way to keep it perpendicular to the chassis so the wheel wouldn't turn (no problem there). SECONDLY: It looks like the unit will have at lease four parts and perhaps six thus making the packaging more expensive. True it will probably weigh less but we ship quartering tools via USPS PRIORITY MAIL so the shipping will remain constant at around $5.00 subject to a rise in postal rates. Presently we absorb the shipping cost (FREE SHIPPING).      This item is now in the planning stage. We will keep you and the group up dated as to the progress of this NEWEST ADDITION to our tool section at our web site.      Have a GREAT WEEK END. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc --- On Thu, 8/4/11, Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> wrote: From: Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 2:16 PM   Dave, Why don't you produce a quartering tool for a single axle only? The other tools you produce are brilliant if you are going to do a lot of this work and need to do it quickly as did the factory, but for most of us we probably only need to work on the one axle with the pul-mor rims. Even if we need to do all the axles it isn't going to be a hardship to do them one at a time. You would use less material, it would be common to all standard wheeled engines, shipping would be less and so would the actual purchase price. You would also only need to make two types, a standard one and one for the smaller 0-8-0/0-6-0 engines. Regards, Neil Sent from Neil's iPad On 4 Aug 2011, at 12:46, "Dave" <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > As everyone knows the pre-1966 AF Atlantic engine drive wheels are probably the most forgiving drive wheels to quarter after removal from their axles. Most hobbyists simply, as they say, can EYE BALL the correct positioning for re-installation. However, the positioning of the divers at 90 degrees as in the real world does not conform to the specs. that the A.C. Gilbert Co. layed down those many years ago which brings us to the NEW QUARTERING TOOL that we will be offering very soon. This is a PROFESSIONAL GRADE quartering tool that sets the drivers at 87 degrees (you can't eye ball this measurement) which makes up for all of the slop in the linkages that GILBERT allowed for in the beginning thus allowing the engines to operate in the most efficient way possible. You will be able to re-install your drivers in SECONDS, not minutes. Once purchased you will always wonder how you did with out this tool before. PRICE: $44.95 which includes shipping.Thank you all for your continuing support and "GREAT IDEAS". > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65502	From: NEIL TRUMP	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Quartering Tool

Dave, Going through my mind I had envisaged the tool would have up to 5 parts to it. 1/ the base 2/ an end fixed upright with the wheel profile as a keeper 3/ another end upright fixed with a threaded hole 4/ a moving piece with wheel profile 5/ threaded bar/handle with a stop feature Parts 4 and 5 are connected together and the operation would be that the pre-determined stop on the thread would determine the setting of the gauge on the wheelset. I hadn't missed the problem of the stud and threaded wheels, I had thought of a different solution which would work but I actually like you idea better with a dummy screw in stud.  I was thinking of having a hole for the studs in the two halves of the tool and opposite a small pin that would engage in the bore of the thread on the rod screw for alignment, but as I mentioned, I like your idea of the dummy thread better, less machining as well. Parts 1 and 2 could be made from one piece if you access to the correct profile I guess it is important to make sure the 87 degrees are set as per the originals for lead/trailing aspect as well. I will have to find some kind person to post one to me when they are available. Regards, Neil   ________________________________ From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, 5 August, 2011 13:38:32 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool   Neil,      A little up date on this future item. FIRST: It would cost more as there are more parts to machine, probably and this is a guess, between $65.00 to $125.00 each but it would replace all of the other quartering tools thus a repair person would only require 2 of these for all of the different drive wheel arrangements including the kit bashing community when they start doing their ten wheelers. You forgot that only one wheel has a stud so a threaded false stud would have to be produced for the non-studed wheels. Also, it must have a way to keep it perpendicular to the chassis so the wheel wouldn't turn (no problem there). SECONDLY: It looks like the unit will have at lease four parts and perhaps six thus making the packaging more expensive. True it will probably weigh less but we ship quartering tools via USPS PRIORITY MAIL so the shipping will remain constant at around $5.00 subject to a rise in postal rates. Presently we absorb the shipping cost (FREE SHIPPING).      This item is now in the planning stage. We will keep you and the group up dated as to the progress of this NEWEST ADDITION to our tool section at our web site.      Have a GREAT WEEK END. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc --- On Thu, 8/4/11, Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> wrote: From: Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 2:16 PM   Dave, Why don't you produce a quartering tool for a single axle only? The other tools you produce are brilliant if you are going to do a lot of this work and need to do it quickly as did the factory, but for most of us we probably only need to work on the one axle with the pul-mor rims. Even if we need to do all the axles it isn't going to be a hardship to do them one at a time. You would use less material, it would be common to all standard wheeled engines, shipping would be less and so would the actual purchase price. You would also only need to make two types, a standard one and one for the smaller 0-8-0/0-6-0 engines. Regards, Neil Sent from Neil's iPad On 4 Aug 2011, at 12:46, "Dave" <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > As everyone knows the pre-1966 AF Atlantic engine drive wheels are probably the >most forgiving drive wheels to quarter after removal from their axles. Most >hobbyists simply, as they say, can EYE BALL the correct positioning for >re-installation. However, the positioning of the divers at 90 degrees as in the >real world does not conform to the specs. that the A.C. Gilbert Co. layed down >those many years ago which brings us to the NEW QUARTERING TOOL that we will be >offering very soon. This is a PROFESSIONAL GRADE quartering tool that sets the >drivers at 87 degrees (you can't eye ball this measurement) which makes up for >all of the slop in the linkages that GILBERT allowed for in the beginning thus >allowing the engines to operate in the most efficient way possible. You will be >able to re-install your drivers in SECONDS, not minutes. Once purchased you will >always wonder how you did with out this tool before. PRICE: $44.95 which >includes shipping.Thank you all for your continuing support and "GREAT IDEAS". > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65503	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Quartering Tool

Neil,      Way to complicated. As most all repair persons use a hand press or a vise and the axle is the limiting factor in the travel and end limit of the tool then our design will be an easier tool for the repair person to use. Looks like four parts total will suffice. Dave --- On Fri, 8/5/11, NEIL TRUMP <neil.trump@...> wrote: From: NEIL TRUMP <neil.trump@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 9:10 AM   Dave, Going through my mind I had envisaged the tool would have up to 5 parts to it. 1/ the base 2/ an end fixed upright with the wheel profile as a keeper 3/ another end upright fixed with a threaded hole 4/ a moving piece with wheel profile 5/ threaded bar/handle with a stop feature Parts 4 and 5 are connected together and the operation would be that the pre-determined stop on the thread would determine the setting of the gauge on the wheelset. I hadn't missed the problem of the stud and threaded wheels, I had thought of a different solution which would work but I actually like you idea better with a dummy screw in stud.  I was thinking of having a hole for the studs in the two halves of the tool and opposite a small pin that would engage in the bore of the thread on the rod screw for alignment, but as I mentioned, I like your idea of the dummy thread better, less machining as well. Parts 1 and 2 could be made from one piece if you access to the correct profile I guess it is important to make sure the 87 degrees are set as per the originals for lead/trailing aspect as well. I will have to find some kind person to post one to me when they are available. Regards, Neil   ________________________________ From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, 5 August, 2011 13:38:32 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool   Neil,      A little up date on this future item. FIRST: It would cost more as there are more parts to machine, probably and this is a guess, between $65.00 to $125.00 each but it would replace all of the other quartering tools thus a repair person would only require 2 of these for all of the different drive wheel arrangements including the kit bashing community when they start doing their ten wheelers. You forgot that only one wheel has a stud so a threaded false stud would have to be produced for the non-studed wheels. Also, it must have a way to keep it perpendicular to the chassis so the wheel wouldn't turn (no problem there). SECONDLY: It looks like the unit will have at lease four parts and perhaps six thus making the packaging more expensive. True it will probably weigh less but we ship quartering tools via USPS PRIORITY MAIL so the shipping will remain constant at around $5.00 subject to a rise in postal rates. Presently we absorb the shipping cost (FREE SHIPPING).      This item is now in the planning stage. We will keep you and the group up dated as to the progress of this NEWEST ADDITION to our tool section at our web site.      Have a GREAT WEEK END. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc --- On Thu, 8/4/11, Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> wrote: From: Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 2:16 PM   Dave, Why don't you produce a quartering tool for a single axle only? The other tools you produce are brilliant if you are going to do a lot of this work and need to do it quickly as did the factory, but for most of us we probably only need to work on the one axle with the pul-mor rims. Even if we need to do all the axles it isn't going to be a hardship to do them one at a time. You would use less material, it would be common to all standard wheeled engines, shipping would be less and so would the actual purchase price. You would also only need to make two types, a standard one and one for the smaller 0-8-0/0-6-0 engines. Regards, Neil Sent from Neil's iPad On 4 Aug 2011, at 12:46, "Dave" <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > As everyone knows the pre-1966 AF Atlantic engine drive wheels are probably the >most forgiving drive wheels to quarter after removal from their axles. Most >hobbyists simply, as they say, can EYE BALL the correct positioning for >re-installation. However, the positioning of the divers at 90 degrees as in the >real world does not conform to the specs. that the A.C. Gilbert Co. layed down >those many years ago which brings us to the NEW QUARTERING TOOL that we will be >offering very soon. This is a PROFESSIONAL GRADE quartering tool that sets the >drivers at 87 degrees (you can't eye ball this measurement) which makes up for >all of the slop in the linkages that GILBERT allowed for in the beginning thus >allowing the engines to operate in the most efficient way possible. You will be >able to re-install your drivers in SECONDS, not minutes. Once purchased you will >always wonder how you did with out this tool before. PRICE: $44.95 which >includes shipping.Thank you all for your continuing support and "GREAT IDEAS". > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65504	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?

In what sense is the word "operations" being used here?  If it refers to operating our layouts in a prototypical manner (i.e., mimicking the operations of a real railroad), why would Flyer operations be any different from O, HO, or 1:1?  If we're all modeling the same operations, can't S-Gaugers follow the same gurus?  I remember from my math classes in school that if A=B and B=C, then A=C. I'll Google those guys and see what differences I find. --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Roy <royhoffman@...> wrote: From: Roy <royhoffman@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 5:07 AM   IMHO, the closest person S has to those guys is Frank Titman. Roy --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: > > O scale had Frank Ellison, HO had John Allen (and still has) David Barrow and Allen McClellan. All inspirational and sometimes revolutionary with their ideas. > > Was there anyone in S that had a similar impact? > > > Brady Burdge > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65505	From: NEIL TRUMP	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Quartering Tool

Dave,  I guess I was looking at the deluxe model Neil   ________________________________ From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, 5 August, 2011 14:28:59 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool   Neil,      Way to complicated. As most all repair persons use a hand press or a vise and the axle is the limiting factor in the travel and end limit of the tool then our design will be an easier tool for the repair person to use. Looks like four parts total will suffice. Dave --- On Fri, 8/5/11, NEIL TRUMP <neil.trump@...> wrote: From: NEIL TRUMP <neil.trump@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 9:10 AM   Dave, Going through my mind I had envisaged the tool would have up to 5 parts to it. 1/ the base 2/ an end fixed upright with the wheel profile as a keeper 3/ another end upright fixed with a threaded hole 4/ a moving piece with wheel profile 5/ threaded bar/handle with a stop feature Parts 4 and 5 are connected together and the operation would be that the pre-determined stop on the thread would determine the setting of the gauge on the wheelset. I hadn't missed the problem of the stud and threaded wheels, I had thought of a different solution which would work but I actually like you idea better with a dummy screw in stud.  I was thinking of having a hole for the studs in the two halves of the tool and opposite a small pin that would engage in the bore of the thread on the rod screw for alignment, but as I mentioned, I like your idea of the dummy thread better, less machining as well. Parts 1 and 2 could be made from one piece if you access to the correct profile I guess it is important to make sure the 87 degrees are set as per the originals for lead/trailing aspect as well. I will have to find some kind person to post one to me when they are available. Regards, Neil   ________________________________ From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, 5 August, 2011 13:38:32 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool   Neil,      A little up date on this future item. FIRST: It would cost more as there are more parts to machine, probably and this is a guess, between $65.00 to $125.00 each but it would replace all of the other quartering tools thus a repair person would only require 2 of these for all of the different drive wheel arrangements including the kit bashing community when they start doing their ten wheelers. You forgot that only one wheel has a stud so a threaded false stud would have to be produced for the non-studed wheels. Also, it must have a way to keep it perpendicular to the chassis so the wheel wouldn't turn (no problem there). SECONDLY: It looks like the unit will have at lease four parts and perhaps six thus making the packaging more expensive. True it will probably weigh less but we ship quartering tools via USPS PRIORITY MAIL so the shipping will remain constant at around $5.00 subject to a rise in postal rates. Presently we absorb the shipping cost (FREE SHIPPING).      This item is now in the planning stage. We will keep you and the group up dated as to the progress of this NEWEST ADDITION to our tool section at our web site.      Have a GREAT WEEK END. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc --- On Thu, 8/4/11, Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> wrote: From: Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 2:16 PM   Dave, Why don't you produce a quartering tool for a single axle only? The other tools you produce are brilliant if you are going to do a lot of this work and need to do it quickly as did the factory, but for most of us we probably only need to work on the one axle with the pul-mor rims. Even if we need to do all the axles it isn't going to be a hardship to do them one at a time. You would use less material, it would be common to all standard wheeled engines, shipping would be less and so would the actual purchase price. You would also only need to make two types, a standard one and one for the smaller 0-8-0/0-6-0 engines. Regards, Neil Sent from Neil's iPad On 4 Aug 2011, at 12:46, "Dave" <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > As everyone knows the pre-1966 AF Atlantic engine drive wheels are probably the > >most forgiving drive wheels to quarter after removal from their axles. Most >hobbyists simply, as they say, can EYE BALL the correct positioning for >re-installation. However, the positioning of the divers at 90 degrees as in the >real world does not conform to the specs. that the A.C. Gilbert Co. layed down >those many years ago which brings us to the NEW QUARTERING TOOL that we will be >offering very soon. This is a PROFESSIONAL GRADE quartering tool that sets the >drivers at 87 degrees (you can't eye ball this measurement) which makes up for >all of the slop in the linkages that GILBERT allowed for in the beginning thus >allowing the engines to operate in the most efficient way possible. You will be >able to re-install your drivers in SECONDS, not minutes. Once purchased you will > >always wonder how you did with out this tool before. PRICE: $44.95 which >includes shipping.Thank you all for your continuing support and "GREAT IDEAS". > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65506	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Quartering Tool

Neil,      OK, that will be another $25.00 - he, he, he. Dave   --- On Fri, 8/5/11, NEIL TRUMP <neil.trump@...> wrote: From: NEIL TRUMP <neil.trump@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:29 AM   Dave,  I guess I was looking at the deluxe model Neil   ________________________________ From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, 5 August, 2011 14:28:59 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool   Neil,      Way to complicated. As most all repair persons use a hand press or a vise and the axle is the limiting factor in the travel and end limit of the tool then our design will be an easier tool for the repair person to use. Looks like four parts total will suffice. Dave --- On Fri, 8/5/11, NEIL TRUMP <neil.trump@...> wrote: From: NEIL TRUMP <neil.trump@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 9:10 AM   Dave, Going through my mind I had envisaged the tool would have up to 5 parts to it. 1/ the base 2/ an end fixed upright with the wheel profile as a keeper 3/ another end upright fixed with a threaded hole 4/ a moving piece with wheel profile 5/ threaded bar/handle with a stop feature Parts 4 and 5 are connected together and the operation would be that the pre-determined stop on the thread would determine the setting of the gauge on the wheelset. I hadn't missed the problem of the stud and threaded wheels, I had thought of a different solution which would work but I actually like you idea better with a dummy screw in stud.  I was thinking of having a hole for the studs in the two halves of the tool and opposite a small pin that would engage in the bore of the thread on the rod screw for alignment, but as I mentioned, I like your idea of the dummy thread better, less machining as well. Parts 1 and 2 could be made from one piece if you access to the correct profile I guess it is important to make sure the 87 degrees are set as per the originals for lead/trailing aspect as well. I will have to find some kind person to post one to me when they are available. Regards, Neil   ________________________________ From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, 5 August, 2011 13:38:32 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool   Neil,      A little up date on this future item. FIRST: It would cost more as there are more parts to machine, probably and this is a guess, between $65.00 to $125.00 each but it would replace all of the other quartering tools thus a repair person would only require 2 of these for all of the different drive wheel arrangements including the kit bashing community when they start doing their ten wheelers. You forgot that only one wheel has a stud so a threaded false stud would have to be produced for the non-studed wheels. Also, it must have a way to keep it perpendicular to the chassis so the wheel wouldn't turn (no problem there). SECONDLY: It looks like the unit will have at lease four parts and perhaps six thus making the packaging more expensive. True it will probably weigh less but we ship quartering tools via USPS PRIORITY MAIL so the shipping will remain constant at around $5.00 subject to a rise in postal rates. Presently we absorb the shipping cost (FREE SHIPPING).      This item is now in the planning stage. We will keep you and the group up dated as to the progress of this NEWEST ADDITION to our tool section at our web site.      Have a GREAT WEEK END. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc --- On Thu, 8/4/11, Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> wrote: From: Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 2:16 PM   Dave, Why don't you produce a quartering tool for a single axle only? The other tools you produce are brilliant if you are going to do a lot of this work and need to do it quickly as did the factory, but for most of us we probably only need to work on the one axle with the pul-mor rims. Even if we need to do all the axles it isn't going to be a hardship to do them one at a time. You would use less material, it would be common to all standard wheeled engines, shipping would be less and so would the actual purchase price. You would also only need to make two types, a standard one and one for the smaller 0-8-0/0-6-0 engines. Regards, Neil Sent from Neil's iPad On 4 Aug 2011, at 12:46, "Dave" <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > As everyone knows the pre-1966 AF Atlantic engine drive wheels are probably the > >most forgiving drive wheels to quarter after removal from their axles. Most >hobbyists simply, as they say, can EYE BALL the correct positioning for >re-installation. However, the positioning of the divers at 90 degrees as in the >real world does not conform to the specs. that the A.C. Gilbert Co. layed down >those many years ago which brings us to the NEW QUARTERING TOOL that we will be >offering very soon. This is a PROFESSIONAL GRADE quartering tool that sets the >drivers at 87 degrees (you can't eye ball this measurement) which makes up for >all of the slop in the linkages that GILBERT allowed for in the beginning thus >allowing the engines to operate in the most efficient way possible. You will be >able to re-install your drivers in SECONDS, not minutes. Once purchased you will > >always wonder how you did with out this tool before. PRICE: $44.95 which >includes shipping.Thank you all for your continuing support and "GREAT IDEAS". > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65507	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: "Hi-rail Philosophy"

I have gotten several e-mails during the latest bit of my kit bashing, mostly asking various questions. However, I got one that makes a point of asking; "Why do you bother with Hi-rail when you have the skills and obvious experience to do scale work?" Well, I've "been there and done that" of course, mostly in HO scale, but also in HOn30 and more recently On30. The difference is that Hi-rail is less demanding and more fun. The "Hi-rail Philosophy" is the the mixing of realistic appearance with the better reliability of large wheel flanges and big couplers. These allow far fewer derailments and uncouplings than "scale" flanges and couplers, particularly in the smaller scales such as HO and N. I see Hi-rail as similar to Hollywood. Giving the appearance of reality, yet not allowing that appearance to get in the way of a good story. Besides, as I get older, the fun and the memories become more important that scale fidelity. I'm also a maverick because I don't detail under car floors or put interiors in buildings. Why spend time on things that are unseen unless there is a disaster of some kind? Life is too short, with too many projects yet to do, and in my case I have many more memories than days ahead! (Besides, I don't see as well anyway.) My thinking of hobbies is that they should be fun and entertaining and that there is no "wrong way" to enjoy them. Probably the worst thing you can do to yourself with a hobby is to take it too seriously. Your opinions may vary. Stumpy Stone in Eastern Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65508	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re:

Well said Stumpy! Alistair On Sat 06/08/11 12:47 AM , "mrstumpy50" mrstumpy@... sent: I have gotten several e-mails during the latest bit of my kit bashing, mostly asking various questions. However, I got one that makes a point of asking; "Why do you bother with Hi-rail when you have the skills and obvious experience to do scale work?" Well, I've "been there and done that" of course, mostly in HO scale, but also in HOn30 and more recently On30. The difference is that Hi-rail is less demanding and more fun. The "Hi-rail Philosophy" is the the mixing of realistic appearance with the better reliability of large wheel flanges and big couplers. These allow far fewer derailments and uncouplings than "scale" flanges and couplers, particularly in the smaller scales such as HO and N. I see Hi-rail as similar to Hollywood. Giving the appearance of reality, yet not allowing that appearance to get in the way of a good story. Besides, as I get older, the fun and the memories become more important that scale fidelity. I'm also a maverick because I don't detail under car floors or put interiors in buildings. Why spend time on things that are unseen unless there is a disaster of some kind? Life is too short, with too many projects yet to do, and in my case I have many more memories than days ahead! (Besides, I don't see as well anyway.) My thinking of hobbies is that they should be fun and entertaining and that there is no "wrong way" to enjoy them. Probably the worst thing you can do to yourself with a hobby is to take it too seriously. Your opinions may vary. Stumpy Stone in Eastern Ahia. ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%22Hi-rail%20Philosophy%22 [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbXZsYnVwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTUwNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTI1NTc2MjE-?act=reply&messageNum=65507 [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/65507;_ylc=X3oDMTM0cmw5NWo4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTUwNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTI1NTc2MjEEdHBjSWQDNjU1MDc- [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65509	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re: "Hi-rail Philosophy"

Right On, Right On  ;o) Dave LBR --- On Fri, 8/5/11, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] "Hi-rail Philosophy" To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 11:17 AM   I have gotten several e-mails during the latest bit of my kit bashing, mostly asking various questions. However, I got one that makes a point of asking; "Why do you bother with Hi-rail when you have the skills and obvious experience to do scale work?" Well, I've "been there and done that" of course, mostly in HO scale, but also in HOn30 and more recently On30. The difference is that Hi-rail is less demanding and more fun. The "Hi-rail Philosophy" is the the mixing of realistic appearance with the better reliability of large wheel flanges and big couplers. These allow far fewer derailments and uncouplings than "scale" flanges and couplers, particularly in the smaller scales such as HO and N. I see Hi-rail as similar to Hollywood. Giving the appearance of reality, yet not allowing that appearance to get in the way of a good story. Besides, as I get older, the fun and the memories become more important that scale fidelity. I'm also a maverick because I don't detail under car floors or put interiors in buildings. Why spend time on things that are unseen unless there is a disaster of some kind? Life is too short, with too many projects yet to do, and in my case I have many more memories than days ahead! (Besides, I don't see as well anyway.) My thinking of hobbies is that they should be fun and entertaining and that there is no "wrong way" to enjoy them. Probably the worst thing you can do to yourself with a hobby is to take it too seriously. Your opinions may vary. Stumpy Stone in Eastern Ahia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65510	From: Neil Trump	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Quartering Tool

Dave, Are you OK to ship one to the UK when they are available then? Regards, Sent from Neil's iPad On 5 Aug 2011, at 16:10, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > Neil, > OK, that will be another $25.00 - he, he, he. > Dave > > > --- On Fri, 8/5/11, NEIL TRUMP <neil.trump@...> wrote: > > From: NEIL TRUMP <neil.trump@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:29 AM > > > > Dave, > > I guess I was looking at the deluxe model > > Neil > > > > ________________________________ > From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, 5 August, 2011 14:28:59 > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool > > > Neil, > Way to complicated. As most all repair persons use a hand press or a vise > and the axle is the limiting factor in the travel and end limit of the tool then > our design will be an easier tool for the repair person to use. Looks like four > parts total will suffice. > Dave > > --- On Fri, 8/5/11, NEIL TRUMP <neil.trump@...> wrote: > > From: NEIL TRUMP <neil.trump@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 9:10 AM > > > > Dave, > > Going through my mind I had envisaged the tool would have up to 5 parts to it. > > 1/ the base > 2/ an end fixed upright with the wheel profile as a keeper > 3/ another end upright fixed with a threaded hole > 4/ a moving piece with wheel profile > 5/ threaded bar/handle with a stop feature > > Parts 4 and 5 are connected together and the operation would be that the > pre-determined stop on the thread would determine the setting of the gauge on > the wheelset. > I hadn't missed the problem of the stud and threaded wheels, I had thought of a > different solution which would work but I actually like you idea better with a > dummy screw in stud. I was thinking of having a hole for the studs in the two > halves of the tool and opposite a small pin that would engage in the bore of the > > thread on the rod screw for alignment, but as I mentioned, I like your idea of > the dummy thread better, less machining as well. > > Parts 1 and 2 could be made from one piece if you access to the correct profile > > I guess it is important to make sure the 87 degrees are set as per the originals > > for lead/trailing aspect as well. > > I will have to find some kind person to post one to me when they are available. > > Regards, > > Neil > > > > ________________________________ > From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, 5 August, 2011 13:38:32 > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool > > > Neil, > A little up date on this future item. FIRST: It would cost more as there > are more parts to machine, probably and this is a guess, between $65.00 to > $125.00 each but it would replace all of the other quartering tools thus a > repair person would only require 2 of these for all of the different drive wheel > > arrangements including the kit bashing community when they start doing their ten > > wheelers. You forgot that only one wheel has a stud so a threaded false stud > would have to be produced for the non-studed wheels. Also, it must have a way to > > keep it perpendicular to the chassis so the wheel wouldn't turn (no problem > there). SECONDLY: It looks like the unit will have at lease four parts and > perhaps six thus making the packaging more expensive. True it will probably > weigh less but we ship quartering tools via USPS PRIORITY MAIL so the shipping > will remain constant at around $5.00 subject to a rise in postal rates. > Presently we absorb the > shipping cost (FREE SHIPPING). > This item is now in the planning stage. We will keep you and the group up > dated as to the progress of this NEWEST ADDITION to our tool section at our web > site. > Have a GREAT WEEK END. > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc > > --- On Thu, 8/4/11, Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> wrote: > > From: Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool > To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 2:16 PM > > > > Dave, > > Why don't you produce a quartering tool for a single axle only? The other tools > you produce are brilliant if you are going to do a lot of this work and need to > do it quickly as did the factory, but for most of us we probably only need to > work on the one axle with the pul-mor rims. > > Even if we need to do all the axles it isn't going to be a hardship to do them > one at a time. > > You would use less material, it would be common to all standard wheeled engines, > > shipping would be less and so would the actual purchase price. You would also > only need to make two types, a standard one and one for the smaller 0-8-0/0-6-0 > engines. > > Regards, > > Neil > > Sent from Neil's iPad > > On 4 Aug 2011, at 12:46, "Dave" <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > > > As everyone knows the pre-1966 AF Atlantic engine drive wheels are probably the > > > >most forgiving drive wheels to quarter after removal from their axles. Most > >hobbyists simply, as they say, can EYE BALL the correct positioning for > >re-installation. However, the positioning of the divers at 90 degrees as in the > > >real world does not conform to the specs. that the A.C. Gilbert Co. layed down > >those many years ago which brings us to the NEW QUARTERING TOOL that we will be > > >offering very soon. This is a PROFESSIONAL GRADE quartering tool that sets the > >drivers at 87 degrees (you can't eye ball this measurement) which makes up for > >all of the slop in the linkages that GILBERT allowed for in the beginning thus > >allowing the engines to operate in the most efficient way possible. You will be > > >able to re-install your drivers in SECONDS, not minutes. Once purchased you will > > > >always wonder how you did with out this tool before. PRICE: $44.95 which > >includes shipping.Thank you > all for your continuing support and "GREAT IDEAS". > > Dave > > LBR Enterprises, llc > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65511	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Quartering Tool

Neil,      Sure, if you pay shipping. OK? As you probably already know we do not out side of the USA except to Canada. Dave --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> wrote: From: Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 2:10 PM   Dave, Are you OK to ship one to the UK when they are available then? Regards, Sent from Neil's iPad On 5 Aug 2011, at 16:10, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > Neil, > OK, that will be another $25.00 - he, he, he. > Dave > > > --- On Fri, 8/5/11, NEIL TRUMP <neil.trump@...> wrote: > > From: NEIL TRUMP <neil.trump@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:29 AM > > > > Dave, > > I guess I was looking at the deluxe model > > Neil > > > > ________________________________ > From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, 5 August, 2011 14:28:59 > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool > > > Neil, > Way to complicated. As most all repair persons use a hand press or a vise > and the axle is the limiting factor in the travel and end limit of the tool then > our design will be an easier tool for the repair person to use. Looks like four > parts total will suffice. > Dave > > --- On Fri, 8/5/11, NEIL TRUMP <neil.trump@...> wrote: > > From: NEIL TRUMP <neil.trump@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 9:10 AM > > > > Dave, > > Going through my mind I had envisaged the tool would have up to 5 parts to it. > > 1/ the base > 2/ an end fixed upright with the wheel profile as a keeper > 3/ another end upright fixed with a threaded hole > 4/ a moving piece with wheel profile > 5/ threaded bar/handle with a stop feature > > Parts 4 and 5 are connected together and the operation would be that the > pre-determined stop on the thread would determine the setting of the gauge on > the wheelset. > I hadn't missed the problem of the stud and threaded wheels, I had thought of a > different solution which would work but I actually like you idea better with a > dummy screw in stud. I was thinking of having a hole for the studs in the two > halves of the tool and opposite a small pin that would engage in the bore of the > > thread on the rod screw for alignment, but as I mentioned, I like your idea of > the dummy thread better, less machining as well. > > Parts 1 and 2 could be made from one piece if you access to the correct profile > > I guess it is important to make sure the 87 degrees are set as per the originals > > for lead/trailing aspect as well. > > I will have to find some kind person to post one to me when they are available. > > Regards, > > Neil > > > > ________________________________ > From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, 5 August, 2011 13:38:32 > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool > > > Neil, > A little up date on this future item. FIRST: It would cost more as there > are more parts to machine, probably and this is a guess, between $65.00 to > $125.00 each but it would replace all of the other quartering tools thus a > repair person would only require 2 of these for all of the different drive wheel > > arrangements including the kit bashing community when they start doing their ten > > wheelers. You forgot that only one wheel has a stud so a threaded false stud > would have to be produced for the non-studed wheels. Also, it must have a way to > > keep it perpendicular to the chassis so the wheel wouldn't turn (no problem > there). SECONDLY: It looks like the unit will have at lease four parts and > perhaps six thus making the packaging more expensive. True it will probably > weigh less but we ship quartering tools via USPS PRIORITY MAIL so the shipping > will remain constant at around $5.00 subject to a rise in postal rates. > Presently we absorb the > shipping cost (FREE SHIPPING). > This item is now in the planning stage. We will keep you and the group up > dated as to the progress of this NEWEST ADDITION to our tool section at our web > site. > Have a GREAT WEEK END. > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc > > --- On Thu, 8/4/11, Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> wrote: > > From: Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool > To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 2:16 PM > > > > Dave, > > Why don't you produce a quartering tool for a single axle only? The other tools > you produce are brilliant if you are going to do a lot of this work and need to > do it quickly as did the factory, but for most of us we probably only need to > work on the one axle with the pul-mor rims. > > Even if we need to do all the axles it isn't going to be a hardship to do them > one at a time. > > You would use less material, it would be common to all standard wheeled engines, > > shipping would be less and so would the actual purchase price. You would also > only need to make two types, a standard one and one for the smaller 0-8-0/0-6-0 > engines. > > Regards, > > Neil > > Sent from Neil's iPad > > On 4 Aug 2011, at 12:46, "Dave" <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > > > As everyone knows the pre-1966 AF Atlantic engine drive wheels are probably the > > > >most forgiving drive wheels to quarter after removal from their axles. Most > >hobbyists simply, as they say, can EYE BALL the correct positioning for > >re-installation. However, the positioning of the divers at 90 degrees as in the > > >real world does not conform to the specs. that the A.C. Gilbert Co. layed down > >those many years ago which brings us to the NEW QUARTERING TOOL that we will be > > >offering very soon. This is a PROFESSIONAL GRADE quartering tool that sets the > >drivers at 87 degrees (you can't eye ball this measurement) which makes up for > >all of the slop in the linkages that GILBERT allowed for in the beginning thus > >allowing the engines to operate in the most efficient way possible. You will be > > >able to re-install your drivers in SECONDS, not minutes. Once purchased you will > > > >always wonder how you did with out this tool before. PRICE: $44.95 which > >includes shipping.Thank you > all for your continuing support and "GREAT IDEAS". > > Dave > > LBR Enterprises, llc > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65512	From: Neil Trump	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Quartering Tool

Dave, OK, thanks for that. Quite happy to pay shipping. There may even be an opportunity that you could post it to someone in the US that comes over here that works for the same company where my wife works. Neil Sent from Neil's iPad On 5 Aug 2011, at 19:33, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > Neil, > Sure, if you pay shipping. OK? As you probably already know we do not out side of the USA except to Canada. > Dave > > --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> wrote: > > From: Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool > To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 2:10 PM > > > > Dave, > > Are you OK to ship one to the UK when they are available then? > > Regards, > > Sent from Neil's iPad > > On 5 Aug 2011, at 16:10, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > > > Neil, > > OK, that will be another $25.00 - he, he, he. > > Dave > > > > > > --- On Fri, 8/5/11, NEIL TRUMP <neil.trump@...> wrote: > > > > From: NEIL TRUMP <neil.trump@...> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:29 AM > > > > > > > > Dave, > > > > I guess I was looking at the deluxe model > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, 5 August, 2011 14:28:59 > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool > > > > > > Neil, > > Way to complicated. As most all repair persons use a hand press or a vise > > and the axle is the limiting factor in the travel and end limit of the tool then > > our design will be an easier tool for the repair person to use. Looks like four > > parts total will suffice. > > Dave > > > > --- On Fri, 8/5/11, NEIL TRUMP <neil.trump@...> wrote: > > > > From: NEIL TRUMP <neil.trump@...> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 9:10 AM > > > > > > > > Dave, > > > > Going through my mind I had envisaged the tool would have up to 5 parts to it. > > > > 1/ the base > > 2/ an end fixed upright with the wheel profile as a keeper > > 3/ another end upright fixed with a threaded hole > > 4/ a moving piece with wheel profile > > 5/ threaded bar/handle with a stop feature > > > > Parts 4 and 5 are connected together and the operation would be that the > > pre-determined stop on the thread would determine the setting of the gauge on > > the wheelset. > > I hadn't missed the problem of the stud and threaded wheels, I had thought of a > > different solution which would work but I actually like you idea better with a > > dummy screw in stud. I was thinking of having a hole for the studs in the two > > halves of the tool and opposite a small pin that would engage in the bore of the > > > > thread on the rod screw for alignment, but as I mentioned, I like your idea of > > the dummy thread better, less machining as well. > > > > Parts 1 and 2 could be made from one piece if you access to the correct profile > > > > I guess it is important to make sure the 87 degrees are set as per the originals > > > > for lead/trailing aspect as well. > > > > I will have to find some kind person to post one to me when they are available. > > > > Regards, > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, 5 August, 2011 13:38:32 > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool > > > > > > Neil, > > A little up date on this future item. FIRST: It would cost more as there > > are more parts to machine, probably and this is a guess, between $65.00 to > > $125.00 each but it would replace all of the other quartering tools thus a > > repair person would only require 2 of these for all of the different drive wheel > > > > arrangements including the kit bashing community when they start doing their ten > > > > wheelers. You forgot that only one wheel has a stud so a threaded false stud > > would have to be produced for the non-studed wheels. Also, it must have a way to > > > > keep it perpendicular to the chassis so the wheel wouldn't turn (no problem > > there). SECONDLY: It looks like the unit will have at lease four parts and > > perhaps six thus making the packaging more expensive. True it will probably > > weigh less but we ship quartering tools via USPS PRIORITY MAIL so the shipping > > will remain constant at around $5.00 subject to a rise in postal rates. > > Presently we absorb the > > shipping cost (FREE SHIPPING). > > This item is now in the planning stage. We will keep you and the group up > > dated as to the progress of this NEWEST ADDITION to our tool section at our web > > site. > > Have a GREAT WEEK END. > > Dave > > LBR Enterprises, llc > > > > --- On Thu, 8/4/11, Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> wrote: > > > > From: Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool > > To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 2:16 PM > > > > > > > > Dave, > > > > Why don't you produce a quartering tool for a single axle only? The other tools > > you produce are brilliant if you are going to do a lot of this work and need to > > do it quickly as did the factory, but for most of us we probably only need to > > work on the one axle with the pul-mor rims. > > > > Even if we need to do all the axles it isn't going to be a hardship to do them > > one at a time. > > > > You would use less material, it would be common to all standard wheeled engines, > > > > shipping would be less and so would the actual purchase price. You would also > > only need to make two types, a standard one and one for the smaller 0-8-0/0-6-0 > > engines. > > > > Regards, > > > > Neil > > > > Sent from Neil's iPad > > > > On 4 Aug 2011, at 12:46, "Dave" <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > > > > > As everyone knows the pre-1966 AF Atlantic engine drive wheels are probably the > > > > > >most forgiving drive wheels to quarter after removal from their axles. Most > > >hobbyists simply, as they say, can EYE BALL the correct positioning for > > >re-installation. However, the positioning of the divers at 90 degrees as in the > > > > >real world does not conform to the specs. that the A.C. Gilbert Co. layed down > > >those many years ago which brings us to the NEW QUARTERING TOOL that we will be > > > > >offering very soon. This is a PROFESSIONAL GRADE quartering tool that sets the > > >drivers at 87 degrees (you can't eye ball this measurement) which makes up for > > >all of the slop in the linkages that GILBERT allowed for in the beginning thus > > >allowing the engines to operate in the most efficient way possible. You will be > > > > >able to re-install your drivers in SECONDS, not minutes. Once purchased you will > > > > > >always wonder how you did with out this tool before. PRICE: $44.95 which > > >includes shipping.Thank you > > all for your continuing support and "GREAT IDEAS". > > > Dave > > > LBR Enterprises, llc > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65513	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re: "Hi-rail Philosophy"

Nope, my opinion does not vary. I think you have hit the nail on the head with eloquence. Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 8/5/2011 11:17 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > I have gotten several e-mails during the latest bit of my kit bashing, mostly asking various questions. However, I got one that makes a point of asking; "Why do you bother with Hi-rail when you have the skills and obvious experience to do scale work?" > Well, I've "been there and done that" of course, mostly in HO scale, but also in HOn30 and more recently On30. The difference is that Hi-rail is less demanding and more fun. > The "Hi-rail Philosophy" is the the mixing of realistic appearance with the better reliability of large wheel flanges and big couplers. These allow far fewer derailments and uncouplings than "scale" flanges and couplers, particularly in the smaller scales such as HO and N. > I see Hi-rail as similar to Hollywood. Giving the appearance of reality, yet not allowing that appearance to get in the way of a good story. Besides, as I get older, the fun and the memories become more important that scale fidelity. > I'm also a maverick because I don't detail under car floors or put interiors in buildings. Why spend time on things that are unseen unless there is a disaster of some kind? Life is too short, with too many projects yet to do, and in my case I have many more memories than days ahead! (Besides, I don't see as well anyway.) > My thinking of hobbies is that they should be fun and entertaining and that there is no "wrong way" to enjoy them. Probably the worst thing you can do to yourself with a hobby is to take it too seriously. > Your opinions may vary. > Stumpy Stone in Eastern Ahia. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65514	From: rlg44	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Lionel/American Flyer 'Challenger' ship date slippage

Has anyone noticed the Lionel Shipping Schedule page at: http://www.lionel.com/Products/ShippingSchedule/index.cfm now shows a shipping date of: "Oct 11" for their new 'S' Challengers? (Previously it showed: "Aug 11".) I ordered a #6-48082 Union Pacific Black Challenger from Charles RO. Their website shows "EXPECTED AVAILABILITY BY 11/10/2011". Does anyone know what's really going on, and the REAL ship date? I'm just curious and anxiously waiting! :-) Regards, Randy Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65515	From: Chilberto	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: "Hi-rail Philosophy"

Beautifully put! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Nope, my opinion does not vary. I think you have hit the nail on the > head with eloquence. > > Bill > > Bill Porter > South Florida > > > On 8/5/2011 11:17 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > > I have gotten several e-mails during the latest bit of my kit bashing, mostly asking various questions. However, I got one that makes a point of asking; "Why do you bother with Hi-rail when you have the skills and obvious experience to do scale work?" > > Well, I've "been there and done that" of course, mostly in HO scale, but also in HOn30 and more recently On30. The difference is that Hi-rail is less demanding and more fun. > > The "Hi-rail Philosophy" is the the mixing of realistic appearance with the better reliability of large wheel flanges and big couplers. These allow far fewer derailments and uncouplings than "scale" flanges and couplers, particularly in the smaller scales such as HO and N. > > I see Hi-rail as similar to Hollywood. Giving the appearance of reality, yet not allowing that appearance to get in the way of a good story. Besides, as I get older, the fun and the memories become more important that scale fidelity. > > I'm also a maverick because I don't detail under car floors or put interiors in buildings. Why spend time on things that are unseen unless there is a disaster of some kind? Life is too short, with too many projects yet to do, and in my case I have many more memories than days ahead! (Besides, I don't see as well anyway.) > > My thinking of hobbies is that they should be fun and entertaining and that there is no "wrong way" to enjoy them. Probably the worst thing you can do to yourself with a hobby is to take it too seriously. > > Your opinions may vary. > > Stumpy Stone in Eastern Ahia. > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65516	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel/American Flyer 'Challenger' ship date slippage

Nope, no one knows, just a gang of idiots running the show. Ahh, gang of idiots, stole that from Mad Magazine as they said that the magazine was run by a gang of idiots and Still Cheap was always under the price no matter the price increase.. no wonder Neil Young left the company. LOL Sorry could not resist. Did you email Lionel about the ship date? Mike Marmer From: rlg44 Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 5:45 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel/American Flyer 'Challenger' ship date slippage Has anyone noticed the Lionel Shipping Schedule page at: http://www.lionel.com/Products/ShippingSchedule/index.cfm now shows a shipping date of: "Oct 11" for their new 'S' Challengers? (Previously it showed: "Aug 11".) I ordered a #6-48082 Union Pacific Black Challenger from Charles RO. Their website shows "EXPECTED AVAILABILITY BY 11/10/2011". Does anyone know what's really going on, and the REAL ship date? I'm just curious and anxiously waiting! :-) Regards, Randy Griggs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65517	From: Ray Puls	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Hi Rail Philosophy

Mr. Stumpy, I am 100% in your corner, I enjoy trains whether they be 1 / 1 scale, HO, N, O, or any other. The idea that I would dictate to you how you should model is distasteful to me but you and each of us need to model in the way that we enjoy be it scale, toy train or high rail. This is a hobby and only needs to be fun. Ray PS:  Hope you are enjoying the Weber cars [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65518	From: Ray Puls	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Challenger shipping date slippage

I am anxious to see the Challenger come also, I have ordered the gray UP  with smoke deflectors. This is not to the point yet that we had to wait for the BB which was a year + but it is discouraging. I enjoy my Big Boy and though the wait was long, to long, I am so happy that it is here, it was worth the wait, but this is only my opinion. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65519	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel/American Flyer 'Challenger' ship date slippage

From A Lionel Friend, as what he says about Lionel is so true. Mike Mike, Everyone who follows Lionel knows those shipping dates are fiction. Many times the quoted year is as wrong as the quoted month. He'd better write down what he orders - the delivery is so far in the future on most items that by the time it arrives he will have forgotten what it was, yet alone that he even ordered it! LOL -- Bill From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 9:51 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: jlechner2001 ; Thomas Bianculli ; Bill Zide Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel/American Flyer 'Challenger' ship date slippage Nope, no one knows, just a gang of idiots running the show. Ahh, gang of idiots, stole that from Mad Magazine as they said that the magazine was run by a gang of idiots and Still Cheap was always under the price no matter the price increase.. no wonder Neil Young left the company. LOL Sorry could not resist. Did you email Lionel about the ship date? Mike Marmer From: rlg44 Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 5:45 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel/American Flyer 'Challenger' ship date slippage Has anyone noticed the Lionel Shipping Schedule page at: http://www.lionel.com/Products/ShippingSchedule/index.cfm now shows a shipping date of: "Oct 11" for their new 'S' Challengers? (Previously it showed: "Aug 11".) I ordered a #6-48082 Union Pacific Black Challenger from Charles RO. Their website shows "EXPECTED AVAILABILITY BY 11/10/2011". Does anyone know what's really going on, and the REAL ship date? I'm just curious and anxiously waiting! :-) Regards, Randy Griggs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65520	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Brick paper

Does anyone know of a site where I can find a free copy of brick paper in "S" scale? I want to build a brick wall for a drive-in theatre, to cover up a portion of the portable DVD player. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65521	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"? & Lionel/American Flyer 'Cha

If there is/was a guru, I think it was Tom Jarcho. Yes, others probably contributed more to the S scale survival, but for AF operations, IMHO, it was Tom. The ship date will be whenever they ship--which is likely to be the least opportune time for you to get the credit card hit! Interesting that in the "old days" delayed shipping often lead to reduced sales and greater collectablity (I think the ACG MP sets weren't finished early enough for the Christmas ordering period for most stores, so there were less of them made/sold as one example). The times have changed, and we are, apparently, now willing to wait and wait and wait and. . .. Of course, we are not (I think) kids waiting for S. Claus to drop one under our Christmas tree either. :) S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65522	From: frank emiro	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: "Hi-rail Philosophy"

I like these comments and they are on the mark. My 2 cents is the 12" = 1' is proto and true scale. Where would what is said to be scale models be, without scaled down models that were made as TOY Trains ? A big thanks to Cowen, Hafner, Coleman, Marx, Ives, Dorfan, & AC Gilbert. Frank R. EMIRO --- On Sat, 8/6/11, Chilberto <Chilberto@...> wrote: From: Chilberto <Chilberto@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: "Hi-rail Philosophy" To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 6, 2011, 1:15 AM   Beautifully put! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Nope, my opinion does not vary. I think you have hit the nail on the > head with eloquence. > > Bill > > Bill Porter > South Florida > > > On 8/5/2011 11:17 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > > I have gotten several e-mails during the latest bit of my kit bashing, mostly asking various questions. However, I got one that makes a point of asking; "Why do you bother with Hi-rail when you have the skills and obvious experience to do scale work?" > > Well, I've "been there and done that" of course, mostly in HO scale, but also in HOn30 and more recently On30. The difference is that Hi-rail is less demanding and more fun. > > The "Hi-rail Philosophy" is the the mixing of realistic appearance with the better reliability of large wheel flanges and big couplers. These allow far fewer derailments and uncouplings than "scale" flanges and couplers, particularly in the smaller scales such as HO and N. > > I see Hi-rail as similar to Hollywood. Giving the appearance of reality, yet not allowing that appearance to get in the way of a good story. Besides, as I get older, the fun and the memories become more important that scale fidelity. > > I'm also a maverick because I don't detail under car floors or put interiors in buildings. Why spend time on things that are unseen unless there is a disaster of some kind? Life is too short, with too many projects yet to do, and in my case I have many more memories than days ahead! (Besides, I don't see as well anyway.) > > My thinking of hobbies is that they should be fun and entertaining and that there is no "wrong way" to enjoy them. Probably the worst thing you can do to yourself with a hobby is to take it too seriously. > > Your opinions may vary. > > Stumpy Stone in Eastern Ahia. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65523	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Brick paper

Hi Mike, Try Walters. They handle Faller Brick Paper and they have some other companies that sell plastic sheets of brick and stone walls.  These sell as HO, but I believe you can use these for "S". Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 10:26 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Brick paper   Does anyone know of a site where I can find a free copy of brick paper in "S" scale? I want to build a brick wall for a drive-in theatre, to cover up a portion of the portable DVD player. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike Leahy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65524	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"? & Lionel/American Flyer 'Cha

I have to agree. I used to do private emails with Tom about baseball and other things. I wont tell you what he said about Doris Kearns Goodwin. Tom died too early, as life is short. Mike From: David Dewey Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 11:06 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"? & Lionel/American Flyer 'Challenger' ship date slippage If there is/was a guru, I think it was Tom Jarcho. Yes, others probably contributed more to the S scale survival, but for AF operations, IMHO, it was Tom. The ship date will be whenever they ship--which is likely to be the least opportune time for you to get the credit card hit! Interesting that in the "old days" delayed shipping often lead to reduced sales and greater collectablity (I think the ACG MP sets weren't finished early enough for the Christmas ordering period for most stores, so there were less of them made/sold as one example). The times have changed, and we are, apparently, now willing to wait and wait and wait and. . .. Of course, we are not (I think) kids waiting for S. Claus to drop one under our Christmas tree either. :) S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65525	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Brick paper

> Does anyone know of a site where I can find a free copy of brick paper in "S" scale? I want to build a brick wall for a drive-in theatre, to cover up a portion of the portable DVD player. Any suggestions would be appreciated. > Mike With a little experimentation and some red paper this might do it http://incompetech.com/graphpaper/brick/ Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65526	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?

> IMHO, the closest person S has to those guys is Frank Titman. > > Roy Very nice work.. http://www.trainweb.org/sjsg/friends/titman/titman00.htm Using the barge to move cars on and off the layout during operating sessions is a neat idea Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65527	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?

<<...If it refers to operating our layouts in a prototypical manner (i.e., mimicking the operations of a real railroad), why would Flyer operations be any different from O, HO, or 1:1?...>> They wouldn't be any different. Allen McClellan started with Flyer, but switched to HO. His V&O concepts would make a great S pike. The train products Gilbert offered in the postwar era tell me that they were marketing to a customer base interested in realism and a certain amount of prototypical operation. I was wondering if anyone was known for using S to promote these ideas, perhaps in a series of articles. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65528	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Operations

If you want to learn about prototypical operations for your railroad, there are a couple of pretty good books about this, some easily obtained from Kalmbach. There is probably information on the Internet too. "Operations" is actually a broad subject once you get into it, including dispatching, maintenance, and other aspects beyond just running a train down a track and picking up cars. If you want to do a single train switching cars from industry to industry, there are various systems to do that on a model railroad. Some are rather complex and follow the prototype closely, while others are very simple. "Card Card" systems have always been popular, and today computers can be used to generate "orders" or "switch lists" for your railroad. While most Class One railroads had similar practices, each did things with their own variations, so there IS lattitude to make changes and still be "correct." Shortlines, narrow gauge, or industrial railroads operated under looser rules many times. And today's railroading has significant differences from the old days. After some study, I evolved systems that suited each of my railroads over the years, be they Class Ones or rickety narrow gauges. Stumpy in HOT eastern Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65529	From: Timboy	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?

Hi Guys, Brady's question is confusing, IMHO. Seems to me that he has actually asked two different questions in the same thought. For AMERICAN FLYER, it was far and away Mike Kolleseus. He invented op sessions for American Flyer. No one else even comes close to him. Now, for S Scale ops, that's completely different and there are notables: Titman, Galley, etc. I haven't done a thing with my American Flyer layout lately because I've been building furniture, tending my garden and remodeling my house. However, here is a link to my American Flyer build: http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65530	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?

I drafted a scenario for our club's rail yard and hope to video it this afternoon. I'd all goes well, I'll load it to YouTube and the club's website this evening. I'll put out a link to the group when it's there. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 6, 2011, at 4:32 PM, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: <<...If it refers to operating our layouts in a prototypical manner (i.e., mimicking the operations of a real railroad), why would Flyer operations be any different from O, HO, or 1:1?...>> They wouldn't be any different. Allen McClellan started with Flyer, but switched to HO. His V&O concepts would make a great S pike. The train products Gilbert offered in the postwar era tell me that they were marketing to a customer base interested in realism and a certain amount of prototypical operation. I was wondering if anyone was known for using S to promote these ideas, perhaps in a series of articles. Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65531	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?

Are there any websites that describe what these people taught about operations? At the NMRA/NASG X2011 convention, there was talk of S groups that are developing the new Free-Mo standard for S that is conducive to operations.  Who is doing that and can anybody give me a contact point? --- On Sun, 8/7/11, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote: From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 7, 2011, 5:33 AM   Hi Guys, Brady's question is confusing, IMHO. Seems to me that he has actually asked two different questions in the same thought. For AMERICAN FLYER, it was far and away Mike Kolleseus. He invented op sessions for American Flyer. No one else even comes close to him. Now, for S Scale ops, that's completely different and there are notables: Titman, Galley, etc. I haven't done a thing with my American Flyer layout lately because I've been building furniture, tending my garden and remodeling my house. However, here is a link to my American Flyer build: http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65532	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?

Look what Google found for me!!!  I suspect the Mobley library should get ready for an avalanche of requests!  I'm going to send in an order.           http://www.nasg.org/mobley-library-resources.html --- On Sat, 8/6/11, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: From: Brady Burdge <brady@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 6, 2011, 4:39 PM   > IMHO, the closest person S has to those guys is Frank Titman. > > Roy Very nice work.. http://www.trainweb.org/sjsg/friends/titman/titman00.htm Using the barge to move cars on and off the layout during operating sessions is a neat idea Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65533	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?

I totally agree. Mike Kolleseus is quite knowledgeable on the subject of American Flyer S-Gauge and undoubtedly had one of the finest American Flyer layouts ever built. Both beautiful and functional, it had the open space look found on the covers of some of the American Flyer catalogs. And even more amazing were the one-of-a-kind accessories he built from Erector Set parts. If you haven't seen the video of this layout, it is on the TM Books Video titled "American Flyer 2". Originally a VHS tape, but I believe it is available on DVD. It also covers how operating sessions were accomplished. It is a shame that this layout no longer exists, but then again, some of us, including me, were able to purchase items from his vast collection. When folks see my layout in action, I proudly point out the items I bought from Mike. Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > Brady's question is confusing, IMHO. Seems to me that he has actually asked two different questions in the same thought. For AMERICAN FLYER, it was far and away Mike Kolleseus. He invented op sessions for American Flyer. No one else even comes close to him. Now, for S Scale ops, that's completely different and there are notables: Titman, Galley, etc. > > I haven't done a thing with my American Flyer layout lately because I've been building furniture, tending my garden and remodeling my house. However, here is a link to my American Flyer build: > > http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ > > Regards, > Timboy >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65534	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: "Hi-rail Philosophy"

Mr. Stumpy...... As you know from the plethera of off group emails that you and I pass back and forth, I am one of your biggest fans. To borrow from the movie Ferris Bueller, you are a "Major Dude" when it comes to bashing. Your talents are not in the least limited in this area however, given your articles in S Gaugian. OK... so much for the hero worship.Let's not "scratch the record" by playing it too much. Besides we don't want you to become too complacent and think your work is done. I for one am like a kid waiting for the next installment of Harry Potter. L.O.L. Scratch building or even bashing in S scale is not for the timid of heart. Just ask folks like Bill Lane or Andy Mallet who create some really amazing locomotives. It takes some real money and considerable time and patience. Bashing Flyer has one real advantage that is often overlooked. Those of us who practice the art find little shortage of drivers. All we need to do is take some parts from a junker. This is not the case, or so simple, in S scale. To my knowledge there is no single current source for this needed item. Fred Rouse the current owner of SSL&S, for example, no longer has them for sale. If I remember correctly, many of the original molds are done in. It would require some serious monitary investment to produce new ones. Andy Mallet, I'm told, uses parts from American Models Pacifics. Recently, I myself have been investigating a few British sources for spoked wheels for trailing or lead trucks however. Perhaps LBR can take note here. On the positive side, most Flyer locomotives were based on some prototype. Even our homely little Casy Jones shell looks like a distant humble but miss-scaled cousin to some sort of ten wheeler. While Gilbert intended his products to be toys (and damn fine toys they were), they had some definite prototypical fidelity. It dooesn't take a railroad historian to discover their affinity or heritage. Like Stumpy, I can forgive the lack of certain detail, but I do enjoy puttting decals where they fit. I also have spent many an hour discovering what others, of a similar inspiration like Stumpy's, have done with AF, Lionel O27 and Marx freight cars. There are some other folks in this Group who have shown some real creativity as well, but if I mention a name(s) someone else might be forgotten. I like the Reading for example, and thank goodness, we have the often seen Atlantic. I'm no Frank Titman, but I sure would love to have a Reading Consolidation or Pacific contrived from an Atlantic. The C&NW style locomotive (A Light Pacific) or the PRR K5 are just two wonderful examples of locomotives that need little in the way of dressing up to look more like their "big brothers". Others, as many here realize, are in the convenient vein of the NYC Hudson or the NH I4. Sorry folks for the ramble or "blog", but some of this has crept in and out of my thoughts for sometime and I thought now was a good opportunity to let it out for public consumption. So with that I will end with a simple Thank You to Dr. AC Gilbert and Oh Yes you too Stumpy! Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65535	From: Dale Smith	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Hall of Science Layout Display at York in 2006

Chuck Harrington has 4 photos he took at a "Flyernut" presentation at York in October 2006 on his website. ( http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album56 ) The photos in question are the last 4 on the page and are of a presentation showing a trackplan for the 1953 rebuild of the 2nd floor layout at the NY Hall of Science. In the course of building and revising the American Flyer Displays website <http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org>, I have come across some conflicting information about the size of the layout. Some people I have contacted believe it may have been considerably less than the the 80 feet claimed in some Gilbert literature. The photos of the trackplan in the above presentation have been the major reason I believe the 80 foot measurement to be accurate, but I have no information as to the source of that trackplan and would like to ascertain that, if possible. Chuck believes that the trackplan was represented to be original Gilbert paper, but is not sure of exactly who provided it. I am hoping that some of you who attended the Flyernut meeting in October 2006 might remember who provided this display. I am trying to be as accurate as possible with the information on the website and would appreciate any help any of you can give me. Thanks, Dale Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65536	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Simple "Car Card" operation

Get a pack of 3x5" file cards. List every freight car by type, roadname, and car number, one car per card. These are your "Car Cards." Next, list every siding on your layout by business(s) served, what type of car they use, and length of siding in car lenghts if more than one business is served on the siding. Shuffle "Car Cards" and pick the first car of each type for an industry. Place car there. Shuffle cards again. Select one car of each type for delivery to each industry. Make up a "local" freight train. Make up a "Train Order": "Train #34 (use locomotive number), proceed Westbound on track one. Boxcar #12345 to Cardboard Box Co., Tank car 9876 to Flatulene Fuels Co,. Refrigerator #23456 to Sweetwater Soda Co., Hopper #8765 to Barph Creek Coal. Pick up standing cars for delivery to Startpoint City yard." (Even on a simple oval with a few sidings you can add distance by making a lap or two between stops to switch cars.) For variety make up a stack of "Operations Cards." These might say: "Take siding at Rock Ridge for Hi-ball Express," or "Hot box (overheated journal box) on second car, set off at next siding," or "Slow order; 10 mph at Tight Corners," or "Low water, take water at Barph Creek tank." Pull one of these out of the deck from time to time to keep your "local" from being boring. Sure, this is overly simple, but it makes going around in circles appear to take on meaning. Use your imagination and even a 4x8 foot "Plywood Central" has a purpose in the moving of freight across America. Note to Gene Cimino: It's a good thing I don't race Stock Cars anymore, I couldn't get my helmet on! :-) Stumpy Stone...running in circles in Eastern Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65537	From: Ben	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: #790 Train-O-Rama Value?

My buddy recently picked up a #790 Train-O-Rama cardboard backdrop set at an auction. It looks to us to be 100% complete including the exterior packaging and instruction sheets. All of the assembly tabs are present, although some have been reinforced with the very old paper style packaging tape with nylon reinforcement most likely dating the repair. It is dated 1953, has crisp coloring, etc. What is the value of one of these sets and the interest among collectors?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65538	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel/American Flyer 'Challenger' ship date slippage

You need to keep in mind that LIONEL is, as are many U S companies having their manufacturing DONE for them offshore, and are at the mercy of the offshore manufacturer. LIONEL chose years ago to give up control of the process when they fired their workforce and exported the tooling to China, becoming a "Marketing Company". They "cut their costs" not their prices. Like many other U S companies that have exported jobs, they ARE providing jobs, just NOT to the people they expect to pay their hard earned cash for their products. Further, many in the hobby industry are facing the same problems as the Chinese economy matures and the factory owners realize they can make MORE money making something OTHER than what they are making now. I hear frequently from others in the hobby business that it is SCREWED up almost beyond belief. With the U S's credit rating slipping due to the actions ( or inactions) of 545 arrogant people, offshore manufacturers may be even less interested in making things for US. There is at least a possibility that some items may HAVE to be made in this country to get them made at all. At least, we can't go to war with China, they won't ship us the guns and ammunition. Scary, huh??? Jim Lyle In a message dated 8/5/2011 8:04:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rlgriggs@... writes: Has anyone noticed the Lionel Shipping Schedule page at: http://www.lionel.com/Products/ShippingSchedule/index.cfm now shows a shipping date of: "Oct 11" for their new 'S' Challengers? (Previously it showed: "Aug 11".) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65539	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/8/2011, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 65540	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel/American Flyer 'Challenger' ship date slippage

Kadee still makes all of their trains & parts here in the US. It too bad that an "S" train maker wont approach them, at least to see if it is do able here. Mike in Ore Home of Kadee & Micro Trains In a message dated 8/7/2011 5:01:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, WJJIM@... writes: You need to keep in mind that LIONEL is, as are many U S companies having their manufacturing DONE for them offshore, and are at the mercy of the offshore manufacturer. LIONEL chose years ago to give up control of the process when they fired their workforce and exported the tooling to China, becoming a "Marketing Company". They "cut their costs" not their prices. Like many other U S companies that have exported jobs, they ARE providing jobs, just NOT to the people they expect to pay their hard earned cash for their products. Further, many in the hobby industry are facing the same problems as the Chinese economy matures and the factory owners realize they can make MORE money making something OTHER than what they are making now. I hear frequently from others in the hobby business that it is SCREWED up almost beyond belief. With the U S's credit rating slipping due to the actions ( or inactions) of 545 arrogant people, offshore manufacturers may be even less interested in making things for US. There is at least a possibility that some items may HAVE to be made in this country to get them made at all. At least, we can't go to war with China, they won't ship us the guns and ammunition. Scary, huh??? Jim Lyle In a message dated 8/5/2011 8:04:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _rlgriggs@..._ (mailto:rlgriggs@...) writes: Has anyone noticed the Lionel Shipping Schedule page at: _http://www.lionel.com/Products/ShippingSchedule/index.cfm_ (http://www.lionel.com/Products/ShippingSchedule/index.cfm) now shows a shipping date of: "Oct 11" for their new 'S' Challengers? (Previously it showed: "Aug 11".) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65541	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?

<< Brady's question is confusing, IMHO. Seems to me that he has actually asked two different questions in the same thought. For AMERICAN FLYER, it was far and away Mike Kolleseus. He invented op sessions for American Flyer. No one else even comes close to him. Now, for S Scale ops, that's completely different and there are notables: Titman, Galley, etc...>> I didn't intend to be confusing, perhaps I should have given the question more though before I asked. In my O gauge days I read quite a bit of Frank Ellison's writing, and even though he was a scale guy (outside third-rail) he was published frequently in Lionel's Model Builder magazine. With that in mind I guess I threw out a wide net looking at both Flyer and S scale. I think the answer to my question is Mike Kolesseus; his layout did push the boundaries of vintage Flyer/Gilbert technology and included prototypical operation. He also had some interesting thoughts on scenery and the placement of buildings and accessories. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65542	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: American Flyer Videos (was: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?)

TM Sells parts 1 & 2 of the American Flyer videos on a single DVD for $9.99 http://www.tmbv.com/American-Flyer-DVDbrParts-1-2/productinfo/AFDVD/ The Kolesseus layout was also featured in the 1987 TM book "Great Toy Train Layouts of America" (out of print) and in the June 1991 issue of Classic Toy Trains magazine. I bought both years ago for their O gauge content, I guess it's time to give them a second read for Flyer :-) Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65543	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: #790 Train-O-Rama Value?

In regards to the Train - O - Rama, I did buy one about 15 years back original container and instructions. It contained 4 or 5 repro pieces the guy color xeroxed from another set. Other than the repro pieces mine is near mint, and back then I payed $80.00. I really haven't seen a price guide in some time or any of these in the Cleveland area to reflect a current price. Rich in Cleveland >________________________________ >From: Ben <lbstiles@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 1:53 PM >Subject: [S-Trains] #790 Train-O-Rama Value? > > >  >My buddy recently picked up a #790 Train-O-Rama cardboard backdrop set at an auction. It looks to us to be 100% complete including the exterior packaging and instruction sheets. All of the assembly tabs are present, although some have been reinforced with the very old paper style packaging tape with nylon reinforcement most likely dating the repair. > >It is dated 1953, has crisp coloring, etc. What is the value of one of these sets and the interest among collectors? > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65544	From: Eric	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?

Mike Kolleseus' layout and operation of his "op sessions" were great. We used to go there, split up in groups and run trains with a card system. Start with a group of cards for the train, the card said where to drop the car, if there were cards at the points along the way you would pick up that car. Mike also had worked out many ways of doing things to get trains to start and stop on their own (amongst other things) His main plan was to use only Gilbert parts and accessories. This sometimes required extra switches and items under the table to get things to operate as he wanted them to. The thing was that his layout was so large that many of us could be operating small trains dropping off and picking up cars without getting in each others way except to get in on a siding before one of the express trains came through. I have many fond memories of running trains on his layout. At least in this case Mike is still around even if the train layout is not. Some of those I operated with are not. I do have some great videos of the layout and trains running. (Al P.- if you are on here today, I know you remember.) As far as scale or more recent "op sessions", I have been doing so with some others on Dick Karnes layout using much the same card type system. Another person in the NW area here that does "op sessions" Paul Scoles. I have not been to an "op session" there but I hear they are pretty intense His SN3 layout is Spectacular. Eric Reis Kirkland, WA. On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Brady Burdge <brady@...>wrote: > ** > > > << Brady's question is confusing, IMHO. Seems to me that he has actually > asked two different questions in the same thought. For AMERICAN FLYER, it > was far and away Mike Kolleseus. He invented op sessions for American Flyer. > No one else even comes close to him. Now, for S Scale ops, that's completely > different and there are notables: Titman, Galley, etc...>> > > I didn't intend to be confusing, perhaps I should have given the question > more though before I asked. In my O gauge days I read quite a bit of Frank > Ellison's writing, and even though he was a scale guy (outside third-rail) > he was published frequently in Lionel's Model Builder magazine. With that in > mind I guess I threw out a wide net looking at both Flyer and S scale. > > I think the answer to my question is Mike Kolesseus; his layout did push > the boundaries of vintage Flyer/Gilbert technology and included prototypical > operation. He also had some interesting thoughts on scenery and the > placement of buildings and accessories. > > Brady Burdge > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65545	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?

Are we talking about a GREAT LAYOUT utilizing American Flyer Trains/Accessories? If so, I would have to say the 2 best tapes I have ever seen are the following 1 was a 4 hr operational tape of Reggie Carnes layout, and the 2nd was a 2 hour tape by Bob Board Rich in Cleveland PS. I have both >________________________________ >From: Brady Burdge <brady@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 7:42 PM >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"? > > >  ><< Brady's question is confusing, IMHO. Seems to me that he has actually asked two different questions in the same thought. For AMERICAN FLYER, it was far and away Mike Kolleseus. He invented op sessions for American Flyer. No one else even comes close to him. Now, for S Scale ops, that's completely different and there are notables: Titman, Galley, etc...>> > >I didn't intend to be confusing, perhaps I should have given the question more though before I asked. In my O gauge days I read quite a bit of Frank Ellison's writing, and even though he was a scale guy (outside third-rail) he was published frequently in Lionel's Model Builder magazine. With that in mind I guess I threw out a wide net looking at both Flyer and S scale. > >I think the answer to my question is Mike Kolesseus; his layout did push the boundaries of vintage Flyer/Gilbert technology and included prototypical operation. He also had some interesting thoughts on scenery and the placement of buildings and accessories. > >Brady Burdge > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65546	From: Eric	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: UP and GN Lionel-Flyer for sale

I have some extra items for sale, thought I would mention them here before ebay next month. Great Northern EP5 electric with operating Caboose both are new in box. These are about 5 years old and never run. I am looking for $250 plus shipping Union Pacific 4 passenger car set of heavyweight cars. These are ready for you to hook up to your Challenger when it comes in. new in box with shipping box. $300.00 + ship Union Pacific full vista dome car (recent release) $60 plus ship. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. NASG since 86, TCA since 87, 880 feedbacks on ebay with zero negatives. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65547	From: Herbert	Date: 8/8/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?

I once spent a weekend at Reggie's home in Victor, NY. Really impressive! Big layout with lot's of automatic features. He had a separate building for the layout. Building also housed an huge collection of AF. He spent a lot of time after the demise of The A C Gilbert Company purchasing left over inventories from stores at distress prices. I remember he had 15 track gang sets. The house was on a picturesque piece of land. It was primarily stone, as AC had told him if he built a house to use stone, as it would last indefinitely. The property had a small running brook and a small footbridge. He liked relating stories about Gilbert. Gilbert was a very confident man, and people generally accepted what he said without much question. Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...> wrote: > > Are we talking about a GREAT LAYOUT utilizing American Flyer Trains/Accessories? > > If so, I would have to say the 2 best tapes I have ever seen are the following > > 1 was a 4 hr operational tape of Reggie Carnes layout, and the 2nd was a 2 hour tape by Bob Board > > Rich in Cleveland > > PS. I have both > > > > > >________________________________ > >From: Brady Burdge <brady@...> > >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > >Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 7:42 PM > >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"? > > > > > >  > ><< Brady's question is confusing, IMHO. Seems to me that he has actually asked two different questions in the same thought. For AMERICAN FLYER, it was far and away Mike Kolleseus. He invented op sessions for American Flyer. No one else even comes close to him. Now, for S Scale ops, that's completely different and there are notables: Titman, Galley, etc...>> > > > >I didn't intend to be confusing, perhaps I should have given the question more though before I asked. In my O gauge days I read quite a bit of Frank Ellison's writing, and even though he was a scale guy (outside third-rail) he was published frequently in Lionel's Model Builder magazine. With that in mind I guess I threw out a wide net looking at both Flyer and S scale. > > > >I think the answer to my question is Mike Kolesseus; his layout did push the boundaries of vintage Flyer/Gilbert technology and included prototypical operation. He also had some interesting thoughts on scenery and the placement of buildings and accessories. > > > >Brady Burdge > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65548	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/8/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?

yes, the VCR tape by Bob Board is very good. I have been to his layout many times. Go Indians! Mike Marmer From: Richard Falzini Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 10:44 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"? Are we talking about a GREAT LAYOUT utilizing American Flyer Trains/Accessories? If so, I would have to say the 2 best tapes I have ever seen are the following 1 was a 4 hr operational tape of Reggie Carnes layout, and the 2nd was a 2 hour tape by Bob Board Rich in Cleveland PS. I have both >________________________________ >From: Brady Burdge <mailto:brady%40americanflyerlines.net> >To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 7:42 PM >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"? > > > ><< Brady's question is confusing, IMHO. Seems to me that he has actually asked two different questions in the same thought. For AMERICAN FLYER, it was far and away Mike Kolleseus. He invented op sessions for American Flyer. No one else even comes close to him. Now, for S Scale ops, that's completely different and there are notables: Titman, Galley, etc...>> > >I didn't intend to be confusing, perhaps I should have given the question more though before I asked. In my O gauge days I read quite a bit of Frank Ellison's writing, and even though he was a scale guy (outside third-rail) he was published frequently in Lionel's Model Builder magazine. With that in mind I guess I threw out a wide net looking at both Flyer and S scale. > >I think the answer to my question is Mike Kolesseus; his layout did push the boundaries of vintage Flyer/Gilbert technology and included prototypical operation. He also had some interesting thoughts on scenery and the placement of buildings and accessories. > >Brady Burdge > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65549	From: R G	Date: 8/8/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?

I have to agree with Tim for pure Flyer operations Mike Kolleseus comes as close as anyone to being a "guru". What he has done with Flyer and erector on his layout is amazing.  I would also add Tuff to the "guru" list. I had the pleasure of meeting him on many occasions at local train shows before he past away.  He was very knowledgeable and quite friendly. ________________________________ From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 8:33 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?   Hi Guys, Brady's question is confusing, IMHO. Seems to me that he has actually asked two different questions in the same thought. For AMERICAN FLYER, it was far and away Mike Kolleseus. He invented op sessions for American Flyer. No one else even comes close to him. Now, for S Scale ops, that's completely different and there are notables: Titman, Galley, etc. I haven't done a thing with my American Flyer layout lately because I've been building furniture, tending my garden and remodeling my house. However, here is a link to my American Flyer build: http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65550	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 8/8/2011
Subject: Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"?

Hi Eric Yes, I remember and miss the great operating meets we had at Mike's.  I will never forget the first time at his home.  It was overwhelming.  He and his wife were always so gracious. I recall the KILL switch.  Trains were headed for a head on and all of a sudden here goes Mike running for the Kill switch.  He made it and stopped all operations.  Many fun times. Difficult to believe it is all gone.  Al Paolozzi --- On Sun, 8/7/11, Eric <ericrhere@...> wrote: From: Eric <ericrhere@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Is there a Flyer operations "Guru"? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 7, 2011, 6:36 PM   Mike Kolleseus' layout and operation of his "op sessions" were great. We used to go there, split up in groups and run trains with a card system. Start with a group of cards for the train, the card said where to drop the car, if there were cards at the points along the way you would pick up that car. Mike also had worked out many ways of doing things to get trains to start and stop on their own (amongst other things) His main plan was to use only Gilbert parts and accessories. This sometimes required extra switches and items under the table to get things to operate as he wanted them to. The thing was that his layout was so large that many of us could be operating small trains dropping off and picking up cars without getting in each others way except to get in on a siding before one of the express trains came through. I have many fond memories of running trains on his layout. At least in this case Mike is still around even if the train layout is not. Some of those I operated with are not. I do have some great videos of the layout and trains running. (Al P.- if you are on here today, I know you remember.) As far as scale or more recent "op sessions", I have been doing so with some others on Dick Karnes layout using much the same card type system. Another person in the NW area here that does "op sessions" Paul Scoles. I have not been to an "op session" there but I hear they are pretty intense His SN3 layout is Spectacular. Eric Reis Kirkland, WA. On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Brady Burdge <brady@...>wrote: > ** > > > << Brady's question is confusing, IMHO. Seems to me that he has actually > asked two different questions in the same thought. For AMERICAN FLYER, it > was far and away Mike Kolleseus. He invented op sessions for American Flyer. > No one else even comes close to him. Now, for S Scale ops, that's completely > different and there are notables: Titman, Galley, etc...>> > > I didn't intend to be confusing, perhaps I should have given the question > more though before I asked. In my O gauge days I read quite a bit of Frank > Ellison's writing, and even though he was a scale guy (outside third-rail) > he was published frequently in Lionel's Model Builder magazine. With that in > mind I guess I threw out a wide net looking at both Flyer and S scale. > > I think the answer to my question is Mike Kolesseus; his layout did push > the boundaries of vintage Flyer/Gilbert technology and included prototypical > operation. He also had some interesting thoughts on scenery and the > placement of buildings and accessories. > > Brady Burdge > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65551	From: gabern1@verizon.net	Date: 8/8/2011
Subject: Blatant Ad - Iron Rail Models Car

Greetings Folks, Check out the new Sulfur Car on the Iron Rail Models Website. This bright yellow car will add color to your consist while hauling a commodity seen every day on all carrier lines. Visit: www.ironrailmodels.com Greg Berndtson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65552	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/8/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/8/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Monday August 8, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65553	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/8/2011
Subject: Re: #790 Train-O-Rama Value?

I've been trying to buy one on ebay for several years now, but always get outbid.  I've never seen one at a train show.  On ebay, they always go for well over $100, even when the seller says he's not sure whether it's complete.  The 2010 Greenberg lists it at $225 in C-7. --- On Sun, 8/7/11, Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...> wrote: From: Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] #790 Train-O-Rama Value? To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, August 7, 2011, 5:41 PM   In regards to the Train - O - Rama, I did buy one about 15 years back original container and instructions. It contained 4 or 5 repro pieces the guy color xeroxed from another set. Other than the repro pieces mine is near mint, and back then I payed $80.00. I really haven't seen a price guide in some time or any of these in the Cleveland area to reflect a current price. Rich in Cleveland >________________________________ >From: Ben <lbstiles@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 1:53 PM >Subject: [S-Trains] #790 Train-O-Rama Value? > > >  >My buddy recently picked up a #790 Train-O-Rama cardboard backdrop set at an auction. It looks to us to be 100% complete including the exterior packaging and instruction sheets. All of the assembly tabs are present, although some have been reinforced with the very old paper style packaging tape with nylon reinforcement most likely dating the repair. > >It is dated 1953, has crisp coloring, etc. What is the value of one of these sets and the interest among collectors? > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65554	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/8/2011
Subject: New Three Rail Crossing on Layout - Photos

Hi All, I have not had much time to spend on the layout lately, but found a little time to put in a series of three rail crossings and a new section of road. Check out the eight photos here: http://tinyurl.com/3nhu9v4 I'll get around to mounting the signals and wiring them sometime. I have to decide whether to use IR detectors or the old AF track weight trips. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65555	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/8/2011
Subject: Re: #790 Train-O-Rama Value?

Bob Board of ALL ABOARD RR has repro'd the "Train-O-Rama", beautiful professional job. Contact _RBOARD@..._ (mailto:RBOARD@...) for pricing. Jim Lyle In a message dated 8/8/2011 7:58:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, theupstairstrain@... writes: I've been trying to buy one on ebay for several years now, but always get outbid. I've never seen one at a train show. On ebay, they always go for well over $100, even when the seller says he's not sure whether it's complete. The 2010 Greenberg lists it at $225 in C-7. In regards to the Train - O - Rama, I did buy one about 15 years back original container and instructions. It contained 4 or 5 repro pieces the guy color xeroxed from another set. Other than the repro pieces mine is near mint, and back then I payed $80.00. I really haven't seen a price guide in some time or any of these in the Cleveland area to reflect a current price. Rich in Cleveland >________________________________ >From: Ben <lbstiles@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 1:53 PM >Subject: [S-Trains] #790 Train-O-Rama Value? > > > >My buddy recently picked up a #790 Train-O-Rama cardboard backdrop set at an auction. It looks to us to be 100% complete including the exterior packaging and instruction sheets. All of the assembly tabs are present, although some have been reinforced with the very old paper style packaging tape with nylon reinforcement most likely dating the repair. > >It is dated 1953, has crisp coloring, etc. What is the value of one of these sets and the interest among collectors? > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65556	From: Dale Smith	Date: 8/9/2011
Subject: Re: New Stuff at American Flyer Displays website and a mystery solve

I just found some online photos of the 1947-1949 American Flyer displays at the Seattle Bon Marche and its re-creation in 1995. I have added the links to Google Books to the webpage so you can view these photos online. Also, if you have the book "Toy Train Memories," by John Grams, you can find these photos on pages 67-69. Dale On 8/8/2011 5:33 PM, Dale Smith wrote: > I will continue my efforts to obtain permission to include some images > on the website, but in the meantime, try to get a hold of the two > issues of CTT that contain a wealth of photos of this layout and it's > 1995 re-creation so you can see just how spectacular it really was. > > For quick links to these new additions, go to > http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org and click on the "What's New" link. > > Dale Smith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65557	From: lember2004	Date: 8/9/2011
Subject: revitalize a spring?

Hello, any tips on how to put the "spring" back into the spring that surrounds the rod that is pulled into a solenoid on many AF accessories when power is applied? When power is cut off, the spring is supposed to return the rod to its original position, but apparently after enough decades of use, the spring works sluggishly or incompletely. Any help will be much appreciated! Mark

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65558	From: Dale Smith	Date: 8/9/2011
Subject: New Stuff at American Flyer Displays website and a mystery solved

I finally have the answer to one of the mysteries of Gilbert history, namely the location of the cover photo for the 1956 catalog. According to Ray Mohrlang, a very knowledgeable authority on Gilbert history, it was shot on a diorama built especially for that purpose. I have added a section under the promotional layouts section in which I posit a few theories as to why it was important to have a new display built, even though the huge and costly first floor layout had recently been completed and could have provided an acceptable setting for the shot. I have always admired the American Flyer layout at the Bon Marche department store in Seattle built in the late 40's by Bob James. While I have always included two excellent Classic Toy Trains articles on that layout and a re-creation of it in my bibliography section, I decided that this fine layout deserved to have a section of its own, even if I didn't have the permission to use any photos of the layout. For this reason, I have added a section on it in the store layouts section. Read my brief description of what may be the most spectacular American Flyer display layout ever built. I will continue my efforts to obtain permission to include some images on the website, but in the meantime, try to get a hold of the two issues of CTT that contain a wealth of photos of this layout and it's 1995 re-creation so you can see just how spectacular it really was. For quick links to these new additions, go to http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org and click on the "What's New" link. Dale Smith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65559	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/9/2011
Subject: Final Bash of the Season

The latest project has taken longer than expected, but I think has been well worth it. This is the replacement for the semi-streamlined Pacific recently traded away. You can see pictures in the S Trains PHOTOS section, in the "Basher Stumpy" album. This one is part #282 and part #283, with a later Pacific trailing truck. The most obvious changes are the much modified smooth smoke box front with recessed headlight, the new pilot deck with trim, and the skirts along the running boards. The stack was shortened, and the bell moved also. A Hudson tender was added as before, and the new #500 has a DC can motor. The colors are a bit "milder" this time with silver smoke box and handrails, medium blue "streamlining," black boiler jacketing and tender, and all wheel rims are white. The previous engine was three colors of blue, one the bright "Big Sky Blue." This engine looks better with my darker blue heavyweight passenger cars. I have two passenger trains, one with heavyweight "Standard" passenger cars and one with the streamline cars. My "dragger" track cleaning cars were both freight cars, so I decided I needed something that could fit in with passenger service as well. This started out as a Casey Jones tender shell with the coal bunker cut off and sheeted over with plastic. A scratchbuilt floor with SHS trucks and couplers went under this, and the masonite block sliding "rail polisher" under that. You will find pictures of this and also how I make these cars in the "Basher Stumpy" album as well. This completes the current cycle of bashing as I am in need of some things to do the next projects and have gottene behind on household chores. I am also preparing a small computer printout "booklet" about kit bashing, but more about that later Stumpy Stone in the Eastern Ahia part of the Appalachian Mountains.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65560	From: Carl Tuveson	Date: 8/9/2011
Subject: Fw: question about my American Flyer

Can anybody help her? Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackie Moore To: S-Trains-owner@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:53 AM Subject: question about my American Flyer I have an American Flyer (engine and about 7 cars) from the very early 1950's. I recently had the engine worked on and it ran for a short time but now again is not running. My father bought a newer American Flyer engine probably in the late 70's or early 80's. It has been running until recently. My husband says that the gears are just spinning. I live in South Florida (Fort Lauderdale area). Do you know where I could take this to have it repaired? We have a big train table set up in the family room and it's so much nicer when the trains are running! Thanks for your help, Jackie Jacquelyn Moore HPD Testing Center 954-262-1733 (x21733) jmoore@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65561	From: Al Baker	Date: 8/9/2011
Subject: Re: Final Bash of the Season

Nice work Stumpy!! And you certainly get an "A" for implementing some new ideas into this one. Al Baker Portland --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > The latest project has taken longer than expected, but I think has been well worth it. This is the replacement for the semi-streamlined Pacific recently traded away. You can see pictures in the S Trains PHOTOS section, in the "Basher Stumpy" album. > This one is part #282 and part #283, with a later Pacific trailing truck. The most obvious changes are the much modified smooth smoke box front with recessed headlight, the new pilot deck with trim, and the skirts along the running boards. The stack was shortened, and the bell moved also. A Hudson tender was added as before, and the new #500 has a DC can motor. > The colors are a bit "milder" this time with silver smoke box and handrails, medium blue "streamlining," black boiler jacketing and tender, and all wheel rims are white. The previous engine was three colors of blue, one the bright "Big Sky Blue." This engine looks better with my darker blue heavyweight passenger cars. > I have two passenger trains, one with heavyweight "Standard" passenger cars and one with the streamline cars. My "dragger" track cleaning cars were both freight cars, so I decided I needed something that could fit in with passenger service as well. This started out as a Casey Jones tender shell with the coal bunker cut off and sheeted over with plastic. A scratchbuilt floor with SHS trucks and couplers went under this, and the masonite block sliding "rail polisher" under that. You will find pictures of this and also how I make these cars in the "Basher Stumpy" album as well. > This completes the current cycle of bashing as I am in need of some things to do the next projects and have gottene behind on household chores. I am also preparing a small computer printout "booklet" about kit bashing, but more about that later > Stumpy Stone in the Eastern Ahia part of the Appalachian Mountains. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65562	From: ron_tallyho	Date: 8/9/2011
Subject: Screws

Would anyone know the American Flyer number for the screws on the 600 series aluminum passenger cars with the cast ends. Both the roof and floor. Thank you Ron Plyler

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65563	From: Dave	Date: 8/9/2011
Subject: AF 4-4-2 Drive Wheel Tool

As promised we now have the proper wheel tool (quartering tool) for the pre-1966 AMERICAN FLYER 4-4-2 ATLANTIC steam engines. it is set at 87 degrees (factory setting) and is made from 3/8 steel with steel pins. It can be used in a bench vise or a better selection, a 1/2 ton hand press. Please allow up to 2 weeks for delivery. To view this newest specialty tool please use the link below: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65564	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 8/9/2011
Subject: Re: #790 Train-O-Rama Value?

Hi Jim I recently bought one on e bay for 125.00 and it all original with a small stain on the outside of the box. I have seen them go for any where from 80.00 to 170.00 it took me 8 years to get one they are out there you just have to be viligent good luck Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: WJJIM@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: WJJIM@... Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] #790 Train-O-Rama Value? Bob Board of ALL ABOARD RR has repro'd the "Train-O-Rama", beautiful professional job. Contact _RBOARD@..._ (mailto:RBOARD@...) for pricing. Jim Lyle In a message dated 8/8/2011 7:58:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, theupstairstrain@... writes: I've been trying to buy one on ebay for several years now, but always get outbid. I've never seen one at a train show. On ebay, they always go for well over $100, even when the seller says he's not sure whether it's complete. The 2010 Greenberg lists it at $225 in C-7. In regards to the Train - O - Rama, I did buy one about 15 years back original container and instructions. It contained 4 or 5 repro pieces the guy color xeroxed from another set. Other than the repro pieces mine is near mint, and back then I payed $80.00. I really haven't seen a price guide in some time or any of these in the Cleveland area to reflect a current price. Rich in Cleveland >________________________________ >From: Ben <lbstiles@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 1:53 PM >Subject: [S-Trains] #790 Train-O-Rama Value? > > > >My buddy recently picked up a #790 Train-O-Rama cardboard backdrop set at an auction. It looks to us to be 100% complete including the exterior packaging and instruction sheets. All of the assembly tabs are present, although some have been reinforced with the very old paper style packaging tape with nylon reinforcement most likely dating the repair. > >It is dated 1953, has crisp coloring, etc. What is the value of one of these sets and the interest among collectors? > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65565	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 8/9/2011
Subject: Re: Screws

Hi Ron I checked Tom seccias book and the screws for the bottom may be S-230 B the top ones may also be just the regular S-230. You may want to contact Triple SSS which is Tom Seccia or e mail him at seccia@... good luck Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: ron_tallyho To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Screws Would anyone know the American Flyer number for the screws on the 600 series aluminum passenger cars with the cast ends. Both the roof and floor. Thank you Ron Plyler [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65566	From: David Haslauer	Date: 8/9/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: question about my American Flyer

Jackie,   Go to your local Hobby shops where they sell trains. Ask the guys there if they know of anyone that can repair American Flyers. That's how people find me. I live in the New Orleans, La area.   David angelmotar@...   From: Carl Tuveson <carl@...> To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2011 10:01 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: question about my American Flyer   Can anybody help her? Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackie Moore To: S-Trains-owner@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:53 AM Subject: question about my American Flyer I have an American Flyer (engine and about 7 cars) from the very early 1950's. I recently had the engine worked on and it ran for a short time but now again is not running. My father bought a newer American Flyer engine probably in the late 70's or early 80's. It has been running until recently. My husband says that the gears are just spinning. I live in South Florida (Fort Lauderdale area). Do you know where I could take this to have it repaired? We have a big train table set up in the family room and it's so much nicer when the trains are running! Thanks for your help, Jackie Jacquelyn Moore HPD Testing Center 954-262-1733 (x21733) jmoore@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65567	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/9/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: question about my American Flyer

I know a repair guy in Pinellas Park Fl. But don't know where that is to her location. Steve In a message dated 8/9/2011 9:01:56 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, carl@... writes: Can anybody help her? Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackie Moore To: _S-Trains-owner@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains-owner@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:53 AM Subject: question about my American Flyer I have an American Flyer (engine and about 7 cars) from the very early 1950's. I recently had the engine worked on and it ran for a short time but now again is not running. My father bought a newer American Flyer engine probably in the late 70's or early 80's. It has been running until recently. My husband says that the gears are just spinning. I live in South Florida (Fort Lauderdale area). Do you know where I could take this to have it repaired? We have a big train table set up in the family room and it's so much nicer when the trains are running! Thanks for your help, Jackie Jacquelyn Moore HPD Testing Center 954-262-1733 (x21733) _jmoore@..._ (mailto:jmoore@...) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65568	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/9/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: question about my American Flyer

http://www.discount-train.com/ Googled Hobby Shoppe in Fort Lauderdale and found this. Don’t see why this would not work for her. I am sure they can or they have someone that does repairs. Mike From: boss31@... Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 5:59 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: question about my American Flyer I know a repair guy in Pinellas Park Fl. But don't know where that is to her location. Steve In a message dated 8/9/2011 9:01:56 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mailto:carl%40tuveson.com writes: Can anybody help her? Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackie Moore To: mailto:_S-Trains-owner%40yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:mailto:S-Trains-owner%40yahoogroups.com) Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:53 AM Subject: question about my American Flyer I have an American Flyer (engine and about 7 cars) from the very early 1950's. I recently had the engine worked on and it ran for a short time but now again is not running. My father bought a newer American Flyer engine probably in the late 70's or early 80's. It has been running until recently. My husband says that the gears are just spinning. I live in South Florida (Fort Lauderdale area). Do you know where I could take this to have it repaired? We have a big train table set up in the family room and it's so much nicer when the trains are running! Thanks for your help, Jackie Jacquelyn Moore HPD Testing Center 954-262-1733 (x21733) mailto:_jmoore%40nova.edu_ (mailto:mailto:jmoore%40nova.edu) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65569	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/9/2011
Subject: Re: Screws

Hi Ron, � I don't have the correct number for the top screw on the aluminum cars. The bottom frame screw is S230 or S230B.  The top screw is an oval head screw similar to the S249 Flat Head Screw.  You can use the S249 as this screw is a flat head screw and will fit the recessed hole. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: ron_tallyho <ron_tallyho@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2011 12:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Screws   Would anyone know the American Flyer number for the screws on the 600 series aluminum passenger cars with the cast ends. Both the roof and floor. Thank you Ron Plyler [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65570	From: Brady	Date: 8/10/2011
Subject: Paul Yorke's Cardstock Models

Paul Yorke has a factory kit and a gas station kit available free http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/layout/layout.htm I've been wanting to build the factory for several years, but I currently lack a location to put it. I'm tempted to build it anyway, as the Clever Models Company Houses seem like a perfect companion and it'll give me another excuse to rebuild the layout. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65571	From: rick gough	Date: 8/10/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: question about my American Flyer

I wrote her that I would be happy to go thru her loco's. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65572	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/10/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: question about my American Flyer

Rick, that was very nice of you to offer that to her. Mike Marmer From: rick gough Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 4:23 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: question about my American Flyer I wrote her that I would be happy to go thru her loco's. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65573	From: strain97009	Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Possible trade ???

I have a large number of SHS AF compatible wheel sets and I would like to trade some of them for SHS Scale wheel sets. If interested please contact me off line at the address below. Thanks. Bob Boring borore@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65574	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/12/2011
Subject: Economy in Dingburg, MD, USA

A good email friend from Vancouver, Canada told me about a Preston 151 S scale or gauge truck on sale at Diecast Direct. I was interested as the trucking company is from Preston, MD a very small town on the eastern shore of Maryland and you used to see these trucks a lot up and down the east coast and maybe westward. Linda grew up near Preston so I ordered one since it might remind her of her roots. However, she could not wait to leave the Eastern shore as a kid. Because it was really desolated. I also got a Carolina truck, along with a Swift Premium food truck since I was in the food business for 25 years, a truck that was in Bangor Maine, Coles? as we go to Maine every October. A few others including a finally needed 1965 Police car in S to keep the town of Dingburg, MD also known as the D&K RR Company town, under control while Hugo runs amuck with bribes from every business in town. So, the total of the order was 103.00. So with my order and then buying a hair dryer at Target this week for 20, since the new one, a Conair died in less then a year, has got things rolling again in the town of Dingburg MD USA. So thanks to our friends north of the border all is well again. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65575	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 8/13/2011
Subject: Re: ATLANTIC Quartering Tool

Good Afternoon Neil, � It appears as though we will have the  NEW QUARTERING TOOL (87 degrees) for doing one axle at a time this coming week (15-19 Aug.). The MSRP will be $124.95 plus shipping ($5.00 USD USPS PRIORITY MAIL - CONUS). The price may seam high but it will replace all pre-1966 AF quartering tools except for the 0-8-0 & 0-6-0 engines. We may offer a quartering tool for these engines at a later date. This tool will, in the long run, save approx. $150.00 USD in cost to quarter the pre-1966 AF engines. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc   --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> wrote: From: Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 3:24 PM   Dave, OK, thanks for that. Quite happy to pay shipping. There may even be an opportunity that you could post it to someone in the US that comes over here that works for the same company where my wife works. Neil Sent from Neil's iPad On 5 Aug 2011, at 19:33, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > Neil, > Sure, if you pay shipping. OK? As you probably already know we do not out side of the USA except to Canada. > Dave > > --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> wrote: > > From: Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool > To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 2:10 PM > > > > Dave, > > Are you OK to ship one to the UK when they are available then? > > Regards, > > Sent from Neil's iPad > > On 5 Aug 2011, at 16:10, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > > > Neil, > > OK, that will be another $25.00 - he, he, he. > > Dave > > > > > > --- On Fri, 8/5/11, NEIL TRUMP <neil.trump@...> wrote: > > > > From: NEIL TRUMP <neil.trump@...> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:29 AM > > > > > > > > Dave, > > > > I guess I was looking at the deluxe model > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, 5 August, 2011 14:28:59 > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool > > > > > > Neil, > > Way to complicated. As most all repair persons use a hand press or a vise > > and the axle is the limiting factor in the travel and end limit of the tool then > > our design will be an easier tool for the repair person to use. Looks like four > > parts total will suffice. > > Dave > > > > --- On Fri, 8/5/11, NEIL TRUMP <neil.trump@...> wrote: > > > > From: NEIL TRUMP <neil.trump@...> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 9:10 AM > > > > > > > > Dave, > > > > Going through my mind I had envisaged the tool would have up to 5 parts to it. > > > > 1/ the base > > 2/ an end fixed upright with the wheel profile as a keeper > > 3/ another end upright fixed with a threaded hole > > 4/ a moving piece with wheel profile > > 5/ threaded bar/handle with a stop feature > > > > Parts 4 and 5 are connected together and the operation would be that the > > pre-determined stop on the thread would determine the setting of the gauge on > > the wheelset. > > I hadn't missed the problem of the stud and threaded wheels, I had thought of a > > different solution which would work but I actually like you idea better with a > > dummy screw in stud. I was thinking of having a hole for the studs in the two > > halves of the tool and opposite a small pin that would engage in the bore of the > > > > thread on the rod screw for alignment, but as I mentioned, I like your idea of > > the dummy thread better, less machining as well. > > > > Parts 1 and 2 could be made from one piece if you access to the correct profile > > > > I guess it is important to make sure the 87 degrees are set as per the originals > > > > for lead/trailing aspect as well. > > > > I will have to find some kind person to post one to me when they are available. > > > > Regards, > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, 5 August, 2011 13:38:32 > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool > > > > > > Neil, > > A little up date on this future item. FIRST: It would cost more as there > > are more parts to machine, probably and this is a guess, between $65.00 to > > $125.00 each but it would replace all of the other quartering tools thus a > > repair person would only require 2 of these for all of the different drive wheel > > > > arrangements including the kit bashing community when they start doing their ten > > > > wheelers. You forgot that only one wheel has a stud so a threaded false stud > > would have to be produced for the non-studed wheels. Also, it must have a way to > > > > keep it perpendicular to the chassis so the wheel wouldn't turn (no problem > > there). SECONDLY: It looks like the unit will have at lease four parts and > > perhaps six thus making the packaging more expensive. True it will probably > > weigh less but we ship quartering tools via USPS PRIORITY MAIL so the shipping > > will remain constant at around $5.00 subject to a rise in postal rates. > > Presently we absorb the > > shipping cost (FREE SHIPPING). > > This item is now in the planning stage. We will keep you and the group up > > dated as to the progress of this NEWEST ADDITION to our tool section at our web > > site. > > Have a GREAT WEEK END. > > Dave > > LBR Enterprises, llc > > > > --- On Thu, 8/4/11, Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> wrote: > > > > From: Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATLANTIC Quartering Tool > > To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 2:16 PM > > > > > > > > Dave, > > > > Why don't you produce a quartering tool for a single axle only? The other tools > > you produce are brilliant if you are going to do a lot of this work and need to > > do it quickly as did the factory, but for most of us we probably only need to > > work on the one axle with the pul-mor rims. > > > > Even if we need to do all the axles it isn't going to be a hardship to do them > > one at a time. > > > > You would use less material, it would be common to all standard wheeled engines, > > > > shipping would be less and so would the actual purchase price. You would also > > only need to make two types, a standard one and one for the smaller 0-8-0/0-6-0 > > engines. > > > > Regards, > > > > Neil > > > > Sent from Neil's iPad > > > > On 4 Aug 2011, at 12:46, "Dave" <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > > > > > As everyone knows the pre-1966 AF Atlantic engine drive wheels are probably the > > > > > >most forgiving drive wheels to quarter after removal from their axles. Most > > >hobbyists simply, as they say, can EYE BALL the correct positioning for > > >re-installation. However, the positioning of the divers at 90 degrees as in the > > > > >real world does not conform to the specs. that the A.C. Gilbert Co. layed down > > >those many years ago which brings us to the NEW QUARTERING TOOL that we will be > > > > >offering very soon. This is a PROFESSIONAL GRADE quartering tool that sets the > > >drivers at 87 degrees (you can't eye ball this measurement) which makes up for > > >all of the slop in the linkages that GILBERT allowed for in the beginning thus > > >allowing the engines to operate in the most efficient way possible. You will be > > > > >able to re-install your drivers in SECONDS, not minutes. Once purchased you will > > > > > >always wonder how you did with out this tool before. PRICE: $44.95 which > > >includes shipping.Thank you > > all for your continuing support and "GREAT IDEAS". > > > Dave > > > LBR Enterprises, llc > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65576	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/13/2011
Subject: Economy Update

I just got a Postal Money Order for $3.99 from Woodland Scenics for some Apples and Oranges made by them purchased from Scenic Express. I brought this product back in 2009? as I needed apples for my orchard and farm store. I needed to put apples in crates at the orchard and for big Neil (Muffler Man) (Butchered 45N Lionel Accessory for a good cause) to hold a crate of apples at the farm store. Well following their instruction, you are to spray them with 50 50 white glue mixture so they stay together which created a total mess of running red color. You see, these are cookie sprinkles that I could of gotten at a grocery store! I was really disappointed as for one, I had no idea they would put this out for apples, as they are mainly used for making apple trees and two, putting a sugar product on a layout is probably not a good things, as they probably will rot in time and attract bugs. I called Scenic Express asking for a refund, they told me to call Woodland. I did and they offered me a 3.99 credit on a future order from them. Great, as I needed trees one day. When it came to ordering trees, they had nothing I like, so I went elsewhere and figured, so much for my 3.99 credit. Well, I got a email last month from Woodland reminding me of my credit, which was really nice. I wrote back that my layout is done as I did not use the credit since they had nothing I could use. Then I said you can do one of three things, keep the credit on your books for ever, as I probably wont be ordering any thing from them, two, write the credit off, or 3 send me a check for 3.99. I thank them very much for taking care of me with my product problem, but I do not see anything from them I can use in the future. And what ever they did was fine with me, including just writing it off, as I know having accounts open messes up things. Well today in the mail they sent me a US Postal Money order for 3.99!!! That goes back into the Bank of Dingburg. However Hugo heard about this windfall and getting a basket of apples with it from the farm stand. They wont taste like sugar, since they are made out of clay by me. Mike Marmer now minus his 3.99 thanks to Hugo. From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:42 PM To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; s-scale@yahoogroups.com Subject: [toytrains] Economy in Dingburg, MD, USA A good email friend from Vancouver, Canada told me about a Preston 151 S scale or gauge truck on sale at Diecast Direct. I was interested as the trucking company is from Preston, MD a very small town on the eastern shore of Maryland and you used to see these trucks a lot up and down the east coast and maybe westward. Linda grew up near Preston so I ordered one since it might remind her of her roots. However, she could not wait to leave the Eastern shore as a kid. Because it was really desolated. I also got a Carolina truck, along with a Swift Premium food truck since I was in the food business for 25 years, a truck that was in Bangor Maine, Coles? as we go to Maine every October. A few others including a finally needed 1965 Police car in S to keep the town of Dingburg, MD also known as the D&K RR Company town, under control while Hugo runs amuck with bribes from every business in town. So, the total of the order was 103.00. So with my order and then buying a hair dryer at Target this week for 20, since the new one, a Conair died in less then a year, has got things rolling again in the town of Dingburg MD USA. So thanks to our friends north of the border all is well again. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65577	From: Dave	Date: 8/13/2011
Subject: NEW QUARTERING TOOL (AF 4-4-2, 4-6-2, 4-6-4, 4-8-8)

It appears as though we will have the NEW QUARTERING TOOL (87 degrees) for doing one axle at a time (AF 4-4-2, 4-6-2, 4-6-4, 4-8-8 or any other kit bashed unit driver spacing) this coming week (15-19 Aug.). The MSRP will be $124.95 plus shipping ($5.00 USD USPS PRIORITY MAIL - CONUS). The price may seam high but it will replace all pre-1966 AF quartering tools except for the 0-8-0 & 0-6-0 engines. We may offer a quartering tool for these engines at a later date. This tool will, in the long run, save approx. $150.00 USD in cost to quarter the pre-1966 AF engines. For further info. "PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP". Thank you all for your continuing support and ideas. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65578	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 8/13/2011
Subject: Re: Economy in Dingburg, MD, USA

Mike... I remember Preston very well. It's just outside of Denton, MD. Some years ago (About 20 or so), I attempted to get some asvertising material from them as I really wanted to have a small trucking company on my Eastern Shore based railroad. I told them what I was doing, but they wouldn't send me anything. I guess I needed to be a customer. Anyway I once asked a driver why they were called the 151 Line and he told me it was because that was the number of trucks they started out with. I don't know if that is true or not. Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65579	From: Scott Freeman	Date: 8/13/2011
Subject: Re: Economy in Dingburg, MD, USA

I don't beleave that is true about the name. I live in East New Market which is about 5 miles away from Preston. I am pretty shore they started with 1 truck back around 1919.   Scott From: Gene Cimino <ecphora123@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 6:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Economy in Dingburg, MD, USA   Mike... I remember Preston very well. It's just outside of Denton, MD. Some years ago (About 20 or so), I attempted to get some asvertising material from them as I really wanted to have a small trucking company on my Eastern Shore based railroad. I told them what I was doing, but they wouldn't send me anything. I guess I needed to be a customer. Anyway I once asked a driver why they were called the 151 Line and he told me it was because that was the number of trucks they started out with. I don't know if that is true or not. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65580	From: Rollain Mercier	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Economy in Dingburg, MD, USA

and he notes - Here is a history of the Preston "151 Line" http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/PRESTON-CORPORATION-Company-History.html Raleigh in Maine where it's about t' Raine... > > >I would think they probably started out with one or a few trucks, as >that would have been a lot of capital to buy 151 trucks for a >company just starting out. > >I found a website on the company by someone but the history link is >not working so I email him about the question on the name Preston 151. > >As for the eastern Shore being desolate, I meant no harm, as it was >more a tongue in cheek statement since my wife grew up on the >Eastern and loves the mountains of Western Maryland. > >everyone has a like for any area they live in and that is great. > >I am sure many love this area of MD DE and VA. > >Actually I saw a t shirt once, Population for Delmarva (as that is >what some call it, like the Delmarva Shorebirds baseball team) 3. > >Smith Island cake is very famous in these parts and the seafood is >some of the best. > >Mike Marmer > >< I don't beleive that is true about the name. >I live in East New Market which is about 5 miles away from Preston. >I am pretty shore they started with 1 truck back around 1919. >Scott >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65581	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: 751 Log Loader Logs

I have a couple of logs that I believe go with the AF 751 Log Loader. They are 5 1/2 inches long and 7/8 of an inch in diameter. Is that the correct size? Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65582	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Counting Trucks

----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Freeman I don't believe that is true about the name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I realize "it's on the internet" doesn't prove something's true, but on http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/PRESTON-CORPORATION-Company-History.html we read quote In 1936 the country remained locked in the Depression, and Preston Trucking revenues had not yet reached six figures. Nevertheless, the company set up its own offices. Around this time Preston Trucking also acquired its motto, 'The 151 Line,' when employees counted the company vehicles to come up with the slogan '151 pieces of equipment to serve you.' endquote Tom Hawley -- Lasning Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65583	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Economy in Dingburg, MD, USA

Gene, A. T. Blades started the company Around 1932, he was an employee of A.W.Sisk company shipping produce. They were having trouble getting rail service in Preston, MD. About 1936 Preston Trucking also acquired its motto, 'The 151 Line,' when employees counted the company vehicles to come up with the slogan '151 pieces of equipment to serve you.’ Hope this helps. Jim From: Gene Cimino Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 6:34 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Economy in Dingburg, MD, USA Mike... I remember Preston very well. It's just outside of Denton, MD. Some years ago (About 20 or so), I attempted to get some asvertising material from them as I really wanted to have a small trucking company on my Eastern Shore based railroad. I told them what I was doing, but they wouldn't send me anything. I guess I needed to be a customer. Anyway I once asked a driver why they were called the 151 Line and he told me it was because that was the number of trucks they started out with. I don't know if that is true or not. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65584	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: Economy in Dingburg, MD, USA

I would think they probably started out with one or a few trucks, as that would have been a lot of capital to buy 151 trucks for a company just starting out. I found a website on the company by someone but the history link is not working so I email him about the question on the name Preston 151. As for the eastern Shore being desolate, I meant no harm, as it was more a tongue in cheek statement since my wife grew up on the Eastern and loves the mountains of Western Maryland. everyone has a like for any area they live in and that is great. I am sure many love this area of MD DE and VA. Actually I saw a t shirt once, Population for Delmarva (as that is what some call it, like the Delmarva Shorebirds baseball team) 3. Smith Island cake is very famous in these parts and the seafood is some of the best. Mike Marmer From: Scott Freeman Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:18 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Economy in Dingburg, MD, USA I don't beleave that is true about the name. I live in East New Market which is about 5 miles away from Preston. I am pretty shore they started with 1 truck back around 1919. Scott From: Gene Cimino <mailto:ecphora123%40yahoo.com> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 6:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Economy in Dingburg, MD, USA Mike... I remember Preston very well. It's just outside of Denton, MD. Some years ago (About 20 or so), I attempted to get some asvertising material from them as I really wanted to have a small trucking company on my Eastern Shore based railroad. I told them what I was doing, but they wouldn't send me anything. I guess I needed to be a customer. Anyway I once asked a driver why they were called the 151 Line and he told me it was because that was the number of trucks they started out with. I don't know if that is true or not. Gene Cimino [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65585	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: 751 Log Loader Logs

Hi Rich, � The correct size PA9911 Log for the 751 Log Loader and the 717 Log Dump Car is 7/8" Dia. x 6-1/4" Long.   The shorter log that you have goes with the 914 Log Dump Car. The original logs for the 914 were dark stained and the 751 and 717 logs were light stained.  The logs you have may still work. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 11:32 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 751 Log Loader Logs   I have a couple of logs that I believe go with the AF 751 Log Loader. They are 5 1/2 inches long and 7/8 of an inch in diameter. Is that the correct size? Rich [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65586	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Research on the Internet

For the most part, there is a LOT of good information on the Internet. Sites which are specific to certain subjects are generally very good, you just have to find them. But as Tom points out, you can't believe everything you read. One site which is often held up as example of "where to go" is Wikipedia. Unfortunately, it is often far from accurate. I have found so many historical and technical errors on railroading, automobiles, and aviation that I have long since dropped it from my "favorites" list. Fortunately, with a little digging, other sites have the info needed and get it right. Of course you might also fall back on your local public library too. Stumnpy in Eastern Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65587	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: 751 Log Loader Logs

Tom, Thanks for the info. Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi Rich, >   The correct size PA9911 Log for the 751 Log Loader and the 717 Log Dump Car is 7/8" Dia. x 6-1/4" Long.   The shorter log that you have goes with the 914 Log Dump Car. The original logs for the 914 were dark stained and the 751 and 717 logs were light stained.  The logs you have may still work. >   Tom Seccia > > > > ________________________________ > From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 11:32 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] 751 Log Loader Logs > > >   > I have a couple of logs that I believe go with the AF 751 Log Loader. They are 5 1/2 inches long and 7/8 of an inch in diameter. Is that the correct size? > > Rich > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65588	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Economy in Dingburg, MD, USA

Thanks Rollain. 6 weeks till our trip back to Maine! Get to check out the Belfast and Moosehead RR, and the new Downeast RR. Have not visited the RR in Alna, Maine yet. Mike Marmer From: Rollain Mercier Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 10:59 AM To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: toytrains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [toytrains] Economy in Dingburg, MD, USA and he notes - Here is a history of the Preston "151 Line" http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/PRESTON-CORPORATION-Company-History.html Raleigh in Maine where it's about t' Raine... < I would think they probably started out with one or a few trucks, as that would have been a lot of capital to buy 151 trucks for a company just starting out. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65589	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/15/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Monday August 15, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 4 minutes. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65590	From: wd511@att.net	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: K-line diesel fuel station

Where can I get a replacement of the vinyl cable that came with the above station? thank you

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65591	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: Did Gilbert make?

Went to the Lancaster (NH)  flea market today, got 2 nice Leomax buildings for the Christmas layout, and also found 2 little newsboys in 3/16 scale. They are identical- for .25 each, HAD to get both. They're cast metal, perhaps lead; 1.4 inches tall to the top of a Skelly cap, bundle of newspapers under right arm, waving the "EXTRA" in left; wearing a jacket with lapels and short pants. There are traces of pink paint on hands and face and a fleck or two of a light brown (very close to IVES light brown) on the jacket.They look perfect for a station platform or near the Gilbert News and are layout-bound. Anyone have an idea of the origin of this vanished species of child labor?- TYIA, John Marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65592	From: alguckes2001	Date: 8/14/2011
Subject: On30 Bachmann

I was at a train show today and stopped by the S gauge display and noted some Bachmann On30 hopper cars with AF trucks in a train. They looked pretty good to me. Is this a popular modification or is it rare? I am just looking seriously and S scale again and have some Bachmann On30 but never thought of running it with scale equipment. Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65593	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann

This is not widespread yet, but is an easy swap. I suspect one problem is that if you have to pay full retail for the Bachmann cars and S gauge trucks and couplers, they can be pricy. However, the On30 cars sell for much less at train shows, eBay, and some of the train discounter's sites. Too bad because they are nice looking cars. I did this conversion to S several years ago, putting SHS trucks and couplers under a couple of B'mann On30 boxcars. I took them to the Spring S Spree to run on my layout, where I was asked repeatedly where I got "those neat old time cars." Of course, I told them that they were being custom made in China, just for me! :-) Then I "fessed up" and told them the truth. The B'mann cars are O scale Narrow Gauge, so they are in proportion for S scale Standard Gauge. The ladders are out of scale, but the rest of the car is reasonably close to correct. All you have to do is file off the coupler boxes and use a small washer between the Bachmann bolster and the trucks and couplers. I have seven On30 cars in my fleet. Despite being models of the wooden cars used into the thirties, and much longer in work train service, the On30 cars are too small for the Franklin engine and cars which are actually about 0 scale Standard Gauge. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65594	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Central Jersey S Scalers 30th Fall Get Together...

All e-group members are invited to the Central Jersey S Scalers 30th Fall Get Together. Wow, has it really been that long since about 30 friends gathered in Kent Singer's basement in North Plainfield, NJ??? As in the past few years, we will gather at Christ Church Hall 220 Main St., South Amboy, NJ on Saturday September 24th. Set up is the afternoon and evening before for those who would like to help. The Church Hall is about 3 blocks north of the Train Station (North Jersey Coast Line of NJ Transit and the trains are hourly on Saturday). You can find a .pdf of the invite plus extras at.... http://www.showcaseline.com/Shows/FGT2011.pdf We all hope to see you there.... CJSS

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65595	From: Donald Keil	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Train Show in Berea OH

Tom We will have a 12X24 ft double s gauge track at the show in sept 26 here in Grand Rapids. One track will be for american flyer AC and the second will be set up for tmcc and switch over to dc. We have a member who will be running a big boy and one who will be running some American models units. The question I have is we will have some tables set up  to sell items and I was wandering if you would let us have some of yours supply to try and sell I think it would be great having the original AF and some new stuff to sell. I would be willing to come over and pick it up and return what did not sell. If we did sell anything  the first time if we could recover our gas would be all we are after. It would be fun to see how it goes. We are also going to try and get into the Lansing show. We can go as small as 8X8 up to 12X28+. Let me know if you are interest Don Keil 616 304 8244 ________________________________ From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 1, 2010 8:49 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Train Show in Berea OH   I will be at the "Carnival 10" Train show at the Cuyahogal County Fair Grounds in Berea, Ohio, selling AM, SHS, DPH, &c track, cars. locos &c. Hours are 10AM to 5 PM Saturday and 11AM to 4PM opn Sunday. It's nearly all AF-compatible, and there will probably be several Af dealers there too. It's a big show. The Fair Grounds is on the south side of Bagley Rd, about ¾ Mi west of I-71. Tom Hawley -- dba Michigan Models [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65596	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Research on the Internet... GO TO THE LIABARY...!!!!

Stump, I agree totally... I use the library computers to access the Web for research all the time... I have found that Al JAzeera is the most authoritative and accurate fact based information portal source. even for American Flyer info. but then there is always the American media, our government. etc. HHMMM. Wikipedia is starting to look better all the time. Blow some rain our way in big Dee. Keep on training.. Scott Dee From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mrstumpy50 Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 12:59 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Research on the Internet For the most part, there is a LOT of good information on the Internet. Sites which are specific to certain subjects are generally very good, you just have to find them. But as Tom points out, you can't believe everything you read. One site which is often held up as example of "where to go" is Wikipedia. Unfortunately, it is often far from accurate. I have found so many historical and technical errors on railroading, automobiles, and aviation that I have long since dropped it from my "favorites" list. Fortunately, with a little digging, other sites have the info needed and get it right. Of course you might also fall back on your local public library too. Stumnpy in Eastern Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65597	From: Brady	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: Did Gilbert make?

<< ...They're cast metal, perhaps lead; 1.4 inches tall to the top of a Skelly cap, bundle of newspapers under right arm, waving the "EXTRA" in left; wearing a jacket with lapels and short pants. There are traces of pink paint on hands and face and a fleck or two of a light brown (very close to IVES light brown) on the jacket.>> Take a look at #13741 at http://bowser-trains.com/oscale/people/people.htm Some of the Bowser figures (like #13744, the guy with the pegleg and a stop sign) do look like figures originally offered by Flyer. Ted Hamler recently covered figures in the AF Collectors Column in S Gaugian, but a quick look back and I didn't see any paper boys. Does anyone know the connections between the original maker of these figures, Flyer and Bowser? Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65598	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann

Do you mean O scale standard gauge? "Standard Gauge" is of course the model gauge 2 1/8th inches as opposed to standard gauge which is the prototypical 4' 8 1/2". I had thought the Franklin was actually On30 as it is nearer 1/4 inch/foot in scale. Alistair On Tue 16/08/11 2:57 AM , "mrstumpy50" mrstumpy@... sent: . Despite being models of the wooden cars used into the thirties, and much longer in work train service, the On30 cars are too small for the Franklin engine and cars which are actually about 0 scale Standard Gauge. Stumpy in Appalachia ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=RE:%20On30%20Bachmann [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvNmhzMmVhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTU5MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTM0MzE4NjU-?act=reply&messageNum=65593 [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/65592;_ylc=X3oDMTM0NDRpcHNrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTU5MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTM0MzE4NjUEdHBjSWQDNjU1OTI- [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65599	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/15/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/15/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Monday August 15, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65600	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING CHAT?

A Sunday event being advertised a day later? Gee, did Yahoo get "Yahooed?" Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65601	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann

So simple ..... even I can do it! LOL http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/on3/on3.html Rick Evans On Aug 14, 2011, at 7:01 PM, alguckes2001 wrote: > I was at a train show today and stopped by the S gauge display and noted some Bachmann On30 hopper cars with AF trucks in a train. They looked pretty good to me. Is this a popular modification or is it rare? I am just looking seriously and S scale again and have some Bachmann On30 but never thought of running it with scale equipment. > > Al > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65602	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann

The Franklin/Washington, Frontiersman cars, the Casey Jones loco, and several of the "Old Time" freight cars such as the "ventilated boxcars" are all "overscale" scale for S. They might be considered about Lionel 027 size, or O gauge Standard Gauge size. The S and On30 cars are close in proportion, if not actually in scale. Therefore, they don't look right with the Franklin, etc. stuff. In this case I mean Standard Gauge as in prototype four foot eight and one half inches gauge. Not the old Lionel "Standard Gauge" which was merely an advertising gimmick by that company and was "standard" to no one else's track gauge. At that time Marklin had already set recognized track gauge standards some years before. Stumpy...along the Ohio River in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65603	From: Al Baker	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/15/2011, 8:00 pm

Not sure what good these do advertising Sunday Evening Chat on Monday??? They have been coming on other Mondays recently too... Al Baker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > Reminder from: S-Trains Yahoo! Group > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/cal > > SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT > Monday August 15, 2011 > 8:00 pm - 12:00 am > (This event repeats every week.) > Location: http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ > > Notes: > Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus > > > All Rights Reserved > Copyright © 2011 > Yahoo! Inc. > http://www.yahoo.com > > Privacy Policy: > http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us > > Terms of Service: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65604	From: Rance and Bente	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann

Hi Stumpy: Do you have any pics of the On30 narrow gauge converts? tx Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) ps if you do, would you please send them to me at my email address? I just can't get on the yahoo groups. I think I will have to reapply, even though they say I already exist. > > ay, and some of the train discounter's sites. Too bad because they are > nice looking cars. > I did this conversion to S several years ago, putting SHS trucks and > couplers under a couple of B'mann On30 boxcars. I took them to the > Spring S Spree to run on my layout, where I was asked repeatedly where > I got "those neat old time cars." > Of course, I told them that they were being custom made in China, just > for me! :-) Then I "fessed up" and told them the truth. > The B'mann cars are O scale Narrow Gauge, so they are in proportion > for S scale Standard Gauge. The ladders are out of scale, but the rest > of the car is reasonably close to correct. > All you have to do is file off the coupler boxes and use a small > washer between the Bachmann bolster and the trucks and couplers. I > have seven On30 cars in my fleet. > Despite being models of the wooden cars used into the thirties, and > much longer in work train service, the On30 cars are too small for the > Franklin engine and cars which are actually about 0 scale Standard Gauge. > Stumpy in Appalachia > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65605	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Big Nate

http://www.gocomics.com/bignate Big Nate is another comic I follow like with Zippy. Today’s Big Nate is sort of train related as Big Nate and his friend go to a yard sale and many of the comments relate to train collecting. Or any hobby, as yes, we need to save all boxes. Or wrappers as Topps baseball card wrappers from the 50s and 60s go for big bucks as who saved them!!!! This will probably be this week’s theme with Big Nate, the yard sale. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65606	From: don@showcaseline.com	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: Big Nate

Up Early? 4 sheep in an hour... Don   On August 15, 2011 at 4:44 PM Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > http://www.gocomics.com/bignate > > Big Nate is another comic I follow like with Zippy. > > Today’s Big Nate is sort of train related as Big Nate and his friend go to a > yard sale and many of the comments relate to train collecting. Or any hobby, > as yes, we need to save all boxes.  Or wrappers as Topps baseball card > wrappers from the 50s and 60s go for big bucks as who saved them!!!! > > This will probably be this week’s theme with Big Nate, the yard sale. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65607	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann

Rance, Here is a link to some pix I took several months ago, comparing the On30 rolling stock to S-scale rolling stock. http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album156/On30hopperswithSscalehopperscrpadj Take a look at the other 3 pages and pix in this album for some more of my On30 - S-scale comparison pix, including a simple method to regauge the On30 archbar trucks to S-scale and a comparison shot of the On30 and S-scale archbars. Here is a link to Rick Bass' On30 stuff in S also: http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/On30-Stuff Also, go to the Atlantic Coast S-Gaugers site and look at Steve Blancard's work with customizing AF Franklins and On30 rolling stock. Keep in touch. Don Munsey, Jr UpperRightCorner of Louisiana, USA fmg On 8/15/2011 4:39 PM, Rance and Bente wrote: > > Hi Stumpy: > Do you have any pics of the On30 narrow gauge converts? > tx > Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) > ps if you do, would you please send them to me at my email address? I > just can't get on the yahoo groups. I think I will have to reapply, > even though they say I already exist. > > > > ay, and some of the train discounter's sites. Too bad because they are > > nice looking cars. > > I did this conversion to S several years ago, putting SHS trucks and > > couplers under a couple of B'mann On30 boxcars. I took them to the > > Spring S Spree to run on my layout, where I was asked repeatedly where > > I got "those neat old time cars." > > Of course, I told them that they were being custom made in China, just > > for me! :-) Then I "fessed up" and told them the truth. > > The B'mann cars are O scale Narrow Gauge, so they are in proportion > > for S scale Standard Gauge. The ladders are out of scale, but the rest > > of the car is reasonably close to correct. > > All you have to do is file off the coupler boxes and use a small > > washer between the Bachmann bolster and the trucks and couplers. I > > have seven On30 cars in my fleet. > > Despite being models of the wooden cars used into the thirties, and > > much longer in work train service, the On30 cars are too small for the > > Franklin engine and cars which are actually about 0 scale Standard > Gauge. > > Stumpy in Appalachia > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65608	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann

Here's the few On30 items I have with SHS trucks. http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/On30-Stuff Rick Evans On Aug 15, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Rance and Bente wrote: > Hi Stumpy: > Do you have any pics of the On30 narrow gauge converts? > tx > Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) > ps if you do, would you please send them to me at my email address? I > just can't get on the yahoo groups. I think I will have to reapply, > even though they say I already exist. > > > > ay, and some of the train discounter's sites. Too bad because they are > > nice looking cars. > > I did this conversion to S several years ago, putting SHS trucks and > > couplers under a couple of B'mann On30 boxcars. I took them to the > > Spring S Spree to run on my layout, where I was asked repeatedly where > > I got "those neat old time cars." > > Of course, I told them that they were being custom made in China, just > > for me! :-) Then I "fessed up" and told them the truth. > > The B'mann cars are O scale Narrow Gauge, so they are in proportion > > for S scale Standard Gauge. The ladders are out of scale, but the rest > > of the car is reasonably close to correct. > > All you have to do is file off the coupler boxes and use a small > > washer between the Bachmann bolster and the trucks and couplers. I > > have seven On30 cars in my fleet. > > Despite being models of the wooden cars used into the thirties, and > > much longer in work train service, the On30 cars are too small for the > > Franklin engine and cars which are actually about 0 scale Standard Gauge. > > Stumpy in Appalachia > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65609	From: rapidrail1	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann

For those who want to search for them, I have placed several photos of my Bachmann conversions in my Christmas cars folder on this group. Unlike Stumpy's conversions these cars have also been extensively repainted and lettered. There is also a video of a Bachmann trolley I regauged to to S on Youtube. That was considerably more difficult but worth the effort. I did a description of that project a year or so back on this group. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...> wrote: > > Hi Stumpy: > Do you have any pics of the On30 narrow gauge converts? > tx > Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) > ps if you do, would you please send them to me at my email address? I > just can't get on the yahoo groups. I think I will have to reapply, > even though they say I already exist. > > > > ay, and some of the train discounter's sites. Too bad because they are > > nice looking cars. > > I did this conversion to S several years ago, putting SHS trucks and > > couplers under a couple of B'mann On30 boxcars. I took them to the > > Spring S Spree to run on my layout, where I was asked repeatedly where > > I got "those neat old time cars." > > Of course, I told them that they were being custom made in China, just > > for me! :-) Then I "fessed up" and told them the truth. > > The B'mann cars are O scale Narrow Gauge, so they are in proportion > > for S scale Standard Gauge. The ladders are out of scale, but the rest > > of the car is reasonably close to correct. > > All you have to do is file off the coupler boxes and use a small > > washer between the Bachmann bolster and the trucks and couplers. I > > have seven On30 cars in my fleet. > > Despite being models of the wooden cars used into the thirties, and > > much longer in work train service, the On30 cars are too small for the > > Franklin engine and cars which are actually about 0 scale Standard Gauge. > > Stumpy in Appalachia > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65610	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann

Wayne, Can you post a link to Steve Blancard's custom AF Franklins? Don fmg On 8/16/2011 5:53 AM, rapidrail1 wrote: > > For those who want to search for them, I have placed several photos of > my Bachmann conversions in my Christmas cars folder on this group. > Unlike Stumpy's conversions these cars have also been extensively > repainted and lettered. There is also a video of a Bachmann trolley I > regauged to to S on Youtube. That was considerably more difficult but > worth the effort. I did a description of that project a year or so > back on this group. > > Wayne > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > Rance and Bente <velapoldi@...> wrote: > > > > Hi Stumpy: > > Do you have any pics of the On30 narrow gauge converts? > > tx > > Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) > > ps if you do, would you please send them to me at my email address? I > > just can't get on the yahoo groups. I think I will have to reapply, > > even though they say I already exist. > > > > > > ay, and some of the train discounter's sites. Too bad because they > are > > > nice looking cars. > > > I did this conversion to S several years ago, putting SHS trucks and > > > couplers under a couple of B'mann On30 boxcars. I took them to the > > > Spring S Spree to run on my layout, where I was asked repeatedly > where > > > I got "those neat old time cars." > > > Of course, I told them that they were being custom made in China, > just > > > for me! :-) Then I "fessed up" and told them the truth. > > > The B'mann cars are O scale Narrow Gauge, so they are in proportion > > > for S scale Standard Gauge. The ladders are out of scale, but the > rest > > > of the car is reasonably close to correct. > > > All you have to do is file off the coupler boxes and use a small > > > washer between the Bachmann bolster and the trucks and couplers. I > > > have seven On30 cars in my fleet. > > > Despite being models of the wooden cars used into the thirties, and > > > much longer in work train service, the On30 cars are too small for > the > > > Franklin engine and cars which are actually about 0 scale Standard > Gauge. > > > Stumpy in Appalachia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65611	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Steve Blancard's custom AF Franklins

All, I found a link to some of Steve Blancard's pix. http://www.trainweb.org/acsg/WOD/WOD_mem.html Don -- fmg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65612	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/15/2011, 8:00 pm

As this is a Yahoo group, we have a calendar. All one (whoever is involved and intersted) would have to do is put the Sunday Chat on there and set it so it sends a reminder out each Saturday to the entire Group. It is a nice looking notice with a blue bell. When you put items on, you can have it repeat indefinitely for the same day of the week or whenever. It would appear just as any other message. Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65613	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: On30 Bachmann

Steve's Franklins were the inspiration for my Franklin kit bashes, but his are better! From the pix, you can see that the On30 cars are too small to work well with these engines. The car roofs are barely higher than the tender decks of the Franklin, while in the prototype the cars should be at least as high as the loco cab roof, and many were taller. The Bachmann On30 proportions are closer to regular Flyer rolling stock. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65614	From: Brady	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: Steve Blancard's custom AF Franklins

> I found a link to some of Steve Blancard's pix. > > http://www.trainweb.org/acsg/WOD/WOD_mem.html > > Don Very nice work Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65615	From: Dale Smith	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING CHAT?

Actually the notice, which comes on Monday, gives Monday's date as the date of "Sunday Chat." I think the calendar needs to be reset. Dale On 8/15/2011 7:11 PM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > > A Sunday event being advertised a day later? Gee, did Yahoo get "Yahooed?" > Stumpy in Ahia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65616	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Anybody doing Free-Mo S?

At X2011, it was stated that a group in Texas and another in Calgary, Canada, were doing Free-Mo in S; I've also been told that a group in Montana is doing it.  But nobody knew how to contact them.  Can any of you put me in contact with them? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65617	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/15/2011, 8:00 pm

Ah yes, but, why do notices about Sunday chats continue to arrive Monday or Tuesday after the chat. That is the original question from Brother Baker and I see it too? Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 8/16/2011 8:46 AM, Gene Cimino wrote: > As this is a Yahoo group, we have a calendar. All one (whoever is involved and intersted) would have to do is put the Sunday Chat on there and set it so it sends a reminder out each Saturday to the entire Group. It is a nice looking notice with a blue bell. When you put items on, you can have it repeat indefinitely for the same day of the week or whenever. It would appear just as any other message. > > Gene Cimino > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65618	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: Anybody doing Free-Mo S?

O.K., I've got to ask. What does Free-Mo in S mean? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > At X2011, it was stated that a group in Texas and another in Calgary, Canada, were doing Free-Mo in S; I've also been told that a group in Montana is doing it.  But nobody knew how to contact them.  Can any of you put me in contact with them? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65619	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann

Stumpy, the prototypical standard gauge does not have capital letters in it's spelling is the point - Lionels patented gauge does. And if you take the scale of the two Flyer locos and passenger cars as nearer 1/4 inch to the foot (which they seem to be) the gauge of the locos is nearer 3 foot 6 - not standard gauge.The scale of proper 027 is 3/16th to the inch - exactly the same as Flyer S though Lionel made plenty of stuff in 1/4 inch to the foot for that profile track. And you have probably forgotten that Gilbert first defined the scale for 027 at 3/16th to the foot on his O gauge "scale"stuff before the War. Alistair On Tue 16/08/11 11:38 AM , "mrstumpy50" mrstumpy@... sent: The Franklin/Washington, Frontiersman cars, the Casey Jones loco, and several of the "Old Time" freight cars such as the "ventilated boxcars" are all "overscale" scale for S. They might be considered about Lionel 027 size, or O gauge Standard Gauge size. The S and On30 cars are close in proportion, if not actually in scale. Therefore, they don't look right with the Franklin, etc. stuff. In this case I mean Standard Gauge as in prototype four foot eight and one half inches gauge. Not the old Lionel "Standard Gauge" which was merely an advertising gimmick by that company and was "standard" to no one else's track gauge. At that time Marklin had already set recognized track gauge standards some years before. Stumpy...along the Ohio River in Ahia ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=RE:%20On30%20Bachmann [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbmJrdmJiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTYwMgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTM0ODc3NDY-?act=reply&messageNum=65602 [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/65592;_ylc=X3oDMTM0Y2dnMmNtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTYwMgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTM0ODc3NDYEdHBjSWQDNjU1OTI- [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [5] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15oge5ukv/M=791726.14818010.14570270.10835568/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1313494946/L=0d02aa00-c7ec-11e0-9270-1f070f5b53b1/B=l5VPMtBDRm0-/J=1313487746542720/K=48.3m9qhI.su42b2Np7Ctw/A=6449878/R=0/SIG=1318d9b6o/*http://www.freecreditscore.com/dni/default.aspx?SiteVersionID=997&sc=671020&bcd=YGROUPS_Good720 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65620	From: Robert A Persing	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: SUNDAY EVENING CHAT?

I get that message every monday. Bob Persing ----- Original Message ----- From: mrstumpy50 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 10:11 PM Subject: [S-Trains] SUNDAY EVENING CHAT? A Sunday event being advertised a day later? Gee, did Yahoo get "Yahooed?" Stumpy in Ahia ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3835 - Release Date: 08/15/11 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65621	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: Anybody doing Free-Mo S?

Bob, I cannot answer your question about contacting S clubs that do Free-mo. Prior to the convention in Sacto, I had no idea was Free-mo was so I attended an excellent clinic on it. Its really a pretty simple concept and now I understand why the modules do not have to confirm to a certain size or shape. But the discussion was all in the context of HO. I am wondering if there are Free-mo standards for S ? I would think the Free-mo clubs would appeal more to the scalers (including high-scalers) than the modular clubs with Gilbert accessories. That is not intended to be a criticism, but the Free-mo standards in HO put a lot of emphasis on realistic operations and an absence of what they define as gimmics. I asked what was meant by "gimmics" but I am having a senior moment right now and cannot remember. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 8/16/2011 3:30:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, theupstairstrain@... writes: At X2011, it was stated that a group in Texas and another in Calgary, Canada, were doing Free-Mo in S; I've also been told that a group in Montana is doing it. But nobody knew how to contact them. Can any of you put me in contact with them? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65622	From: Alex	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: Anybody doing Free-Mo S?

Hi Bob, Here is one more link. http://www.wesleysteiner.com/mr/genfreemo.html Alex From: Robert Graves To: s-trains list Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 8:30 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Anybody doing Free-Mo S? At X2011, it was stated that a group in Texas and another in Calgary, Canada, were doing Free-Mo in S; I've also been told that a group in Montana is doing it. But nobody knew how to contact them. Can any of you put me in contact with them? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65623	From: Alex	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: Anybody doing Free-Mo S?

Hi Bob, Check out these links. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/free-mos/ http://www3.sympatico.ca/bobcatt/ssw/ Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: s-trains list Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 8:30 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Anybody doing Free-Mo S? At X2011, it was stated that a group in Texas and another in Calgary, Canada, were doing Free-Mo in S; I've also been told that a group in Montana is doing it. But nobody knew how to contact them. Can any of you put me in contact with them? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65624	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann

Stumpy, the prototypical standard gauge does not have capital letters in it's spelling is the point - Lionels patented gauge does. And if you take the scale of the two Flyer locos and passenger cars as nearer 1/4 inch to the foot (which they seem to be) the gauge of the locos is nearer 3 foot 6 - not standard gauge.The scale of proper 027 is 3/16th to the inch - exactly the same as Flyer S though Lionel made plenty of stuff in 1/4 inch to the foot for that profile track. And you have probably forgotten that Gilbert first defined the scale for 027 at 3/16th to the foot on his O gauge "scale"stuff before the War. Alistair On Tue 16/08/11 11:38 AM , "mrstumpy50" mrstumpy@... sent: The Franklin/Washington, Frontiersman cars, the Casey Jones loco, and several of the "Old Time" freight cars such as the "ventilated boxcars" are all "overscale" scale for S. They might be considered about Lionel 027 size, or O gauge Standard Gauge size. The S and On30 cars are close in proportion, if not actually in scale. Therefore, they don't look right with the Franklin, etc. stuff. In this case I mean Standard Gauge as in prototype four foot eight and one half inches gauge. Not the old Lionel "Standard Gauge" which was merely an advertising gimmick by that company and was "standard" to no one else's track gauge. At that time Marklin had already set recognized track gauge standards some years before. Stumpy...along the Ohio River in Ahia ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=RE:%20On30%20Bachmann [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbmJrdmJiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTYwMgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTM0ODc3NDY-?act=reply&messageNum=65602 [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/65592;_ylc=X3oDMTM0Y2dnMmNtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTYwMgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTM0ODc3NDYEdHBjSWQDNjU1OTI- [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [5] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15oge5ukv/M=791726.14818010.14570270.10835568/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1313494946/L=0d02aa00-c7ec-11e0-9270-1f070f5b53b1/B=l5VPMtBDRm0-/J=1313487746542720/K=48.3m9qhI.su42b2Np7Ctw/A=6449878/R=0/SIG=1318d9b6o/*http://www.freecreditscore.com/dni/default.aspx?SiteVersionID=997&sc=671020&bcd=YGROUPS_Good720 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65625	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: Anybody doing Free-Mo S?

alex & bob, and whoever else alex wrote two links for the group, after looking at both of them, it appears that the "3.sympatico.ca/bobcatt/ssw/" appears to be more established and has more content. the "groups.yahoo.com/group/free-mos" is a totally restricted site, without even an explanation, and judging from the amount of messages shown, not to popular either mel perry On Aug 16, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Alex wrote: > Hi Bob, > Check out these links. > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/free-mos/ > http://www3.sympatico.ca/bobcatt/ssw/ > > Alex > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert Graves > To: s-trains list > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 8:30 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Anybody doing Free-Mo S? > > At X2011, it was stated that a group in Texas and another in > Calgary, Canada, were doing Free-Mo in S; I've also been told that > a group in Montana is doing it. But nobody knew how to contact > them. Can any of you put me in contact with them? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65626	From: Dale Smith	Date: 8/16/2011
Subject: Re: Anybody doing Free-Mo S?

I wondered that too, so I looked it up and found this website. http://www.free-mo.org/ From what I read, it is an HO modular standard, right down to use of code 83 rail. I guess if you do it in S, it isn't really Free-mo, but "Free-Mo like." I am still trying to absorb the details, but the sample endplates of 26 inches for double track and 24 inches for single track main lines, allow the two to line up in either direction with outside edges even . Those dimensions would have to be changed for S as the 2 inch centers would be too close. For an equivalent distance, S would require about 2 3/4 inches. Dale On 8/16/2011 1:36 PM, acgilbertguy wrote: > > O.K., I've got to ask. What does Free-Mo in S mean? > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > > > At X2011, it was stated that a group in Texas and another in > Calgary, Canada, were doing Free-Mo in S; I've also been told that a > group in Montana is doing it. But nobody knew how to contact them. > Can any of you put me in contact with them? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65627	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: On30 Bachmann

Alistair, I didn't think about "standard gauge" and "Standard Gauge" being different for prototype or old Lionel. Oops! You're also ahead of me on the scales vs. sizes here too. I tend not to get that specific about this sort of thing because few model or toy train track gauges are actually correct for the scale they claim to be anyway. Besides, all the possible combinations get too confusing. I do know that S and On30 rolling stock are proportionally similar, but both are too small to look right with the Franklin type stuff, whose proportions are bigger. This is one reason that I sold off most of my Franklin size trains at the Spree this year, they're not really compatible with anything else in S. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65628	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann

Hi all, I hate to show my ignorance but what does SHS in SHS trucks mean? I assume It is an abbreviation for a brand but I only have Gilbert trains and have only recently returned to running trains. Also where can you order these trucks? thanks. Lon --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: > > Here's the few On30 items I have with SHS trucks. > http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/On30-Stuff > > > Rick Evans > > > On Aug 15, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Rance and Bente wrote: > > > Hi Stumpy: > > Do you have any pics of the On30 narrow gauge converts? > > tx > > Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) > > ps if you do, would you please send them to me at my email address? I > > just can't get on the yahoo groups. I think I will have to reapply, > > even though they say I already exist. > > > > > > ay, and some of the train discounter's sites. Too bad because they are > > > nice looking cars. > > > I did this conversion to S several years ago, putting SHS trucks and > > > couplers under a couple of B'mann On30 boxcars. I took them to the > > > Spring S Spree to run on my layout, where I was asked repeatedly where > > > I got "those neat old time cars." > > > Of course, I told them that they were being custom made in China, just > > > for me! :-) Then I "fessed up" and told them the truth. > > > The B'mann cars are O scale Narrow Gauge, so they are in proportion > > > for S scale Standard Gauge. The ladders are out of scale, but the rest > > > of the car is reasonably close to correct. > > > All you have to do is file off the coupler boxes and use a small > > > washer between the Bachmann bolster and the trucks and couplers. I > > > have seven On30 cars in my fleet. > > > Despite being models of the wooden cars used into the thirties, and > > > much longer in work train service, the On30 cars are too small for the > > > Franklin engine and cars which are actually about 0 scale Standard Gauge. > > > Stumpy in Appalachia > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65629	From: rapidrail1	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann

Don, I'll try. I took some photos to document the project but did not think they were good enough to post. I'll try to redo the photos to post. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Don & Marsha Munsey Jr <dmunseyjr@...> wrote: > > Wayne, > Can you post a link to Steve Blancard's custom AF Franklins? > Don > > fmg > > > On 8/16/2011 5:53 AM, rapidrail1 wrote: > > > > For those who want to search for them, I have placed several photos of > > my Bachmann conversions in my Christmas cars folder on this group. > > Unlike Stumpy's conversions these cars have also been extensively > > repainted and lettered. There is also a video of a Bachmann trolley I > > regauged to to S on Youtube. That was considerably more difficult but > > worth the effort. I did a description of that project a year or so > > back on this group. > > > > Wayne > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65630	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: What's it mean?

Those who have been around here for a while tend to shorten names up, which can be confusing. "SHS" is S Helper Service also known as "The Showcase Line." "AF" is American Flyer, of course. "AM" is American Models. Over on the On30 groups Bachmann Trains is "B'mann" or "BM." We probably should type out the whole name at some point in our messages to avoid confusion. Stumpy in Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65631	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Sunday Evening Chat Fix

Bill and others.... For about two years, I was responsible for doing several calendars for my church. These are on Yahoo groups as well. I just went and looked at our Group calendar. No wonder the notice is coming out late. The event is listed on Mondays. At some point someone put it on there that way. Or perhaps it got shifted. Strange things do happen in Cyber Land. Not being citical, but it is an easy fix to just reset it to Sundays and have a reminder sent out Saturday or whenever we as a group would want it to appear. As I'm not a mod. on this Group, I don't feel comfortable making the change, but I can if asked to do so. In theory any member can access the thing (adding events) or we all can add files, photos or links onto the group. While we are empowered to do so, this is something that should be done with consideration for other members however. Respectfully, Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65632	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann

SHS = S-Helper Service. Rick On Aug 16, 2011, at 7:45 PM, boxcar4willhe wrote: > > > Hi all, I hate to show my ignorance but what does SHS in SHS trucks mean? I assume It is an abbreviation for a brand but I only have Gilbert trains and have only recently returned to running trains. Also where can you order these trucks? thanks. Lon > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: > > > > Here's the few On30 items I have with SHS trucks. > > http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/On30-Stuff > > > > > > Rick Evans > > > > > > On Aug 15, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Rance and Bente wrote: > > > > > Hi Stumpy: > > > Do you have any pics of the On30 narrow gauge converts? > > > tx > > > Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) > > > ps if you do, would you please send them to me at my email address? I > > > just can't get on the yahoo groups. I think I will have to reapply, > > > even though they say I already exist. > > > > > > > > ay, and some of the train discounter's sites. Too bad because they are > > > > nice looking cars. > > > > I did this conversion to S several years ago, putting SHS trucks and > > > > couplers under a couple of B'mann On30 boxcars. I took them to the > > > > Spring S Spree to run on my layout, where I was asked repeatedly where > > > > I got "those neat old time cars." > > > > Of course, I told them that they were being custom made in China, just > > > > for me! :-) Then I "fessed up" and told them the truth. > > > > The B'mann cars are O scale Narrow Gauge, so they are in proportion > > > > for S scale Standard Gauge. The ladders are out of scale, but the rest > > > > of the car is reasonably close to correct. > > > > All you have to do is file off the coupler boxes and use a small > > > > washer between the Bachmann bolster and the trucks and couplers. I > > > > have seven On30 cars in my fleet. > > > > Despite being models of the wooden cars used into the thirties, and > > > > much longer in work train service, the On30 cars are too small for the > > > > Franklin engine and cars which are actually about 0 scale Standard Gauge. > > > > Stumpy in Appalachia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65633	From: EDWARD	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Sunday Chat

I have made the change from Monday to Sunday. The calendar sends out a message one day before and 2 hrs before the event. Lets see if this works. Ed Eckert moderator

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65634	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Big Nate Yard Sale Comic

http://www.gocomics.com/bignate August 17, Maybe this might happen at York one day, when a S scaler finds something AF on a table selling mostly O gauge items. To all my O scale friends, just kidding, as I did at one York get a MIB SHS reefer Monarch Foods car for 30, that was being sold by a O scale person. He could of gotten at least 45 for it, as it is a highly desired car. So this sort of did happen to me in my favor. You have to know what you are selling. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65635	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann

Fair enough Stumpy. The shame is that the passenger cars are probably the best pieces of rolling stock Flyer made postwar. Alistair On Wed 17/08/11 12:42 PM , "mrstumpy50" mrstumpy@... sent: Alistair, I didn't think about "standard gauge" and "Standard Gauge" being different for prototype or old Lionel. Oops! You're also ahead of me on the scales vs. sizes here too. I tend not to get that specific about this sort of thing because few model or toy train track gauges are actually correct for the scale they claim to be anyway. Besides, all the possible combinations get too confusing. I do know that S and On30 rolling stock are proportionally similar, but both are too small to look right with the Franklin type stuff, whose proportions are bigger. This is one reason that I sold off most of my Franklin size trains at the Spree this year, they're not really compatible with anything else in S. Stumpy in Appalachia ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=RE:On30%20Bachmann [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvdnBuaGIzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTYyNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTM1NzgwNTY-?act=reply&messageNum=65627 [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/65592;_ylc=X3oDMTM0a25vYmh2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTYyNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTM1NzgwNTYEdHBjSWQDNjU1OTI- [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [5] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15oo32v1r/M=791726.14818010.14570270.10835568/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1313585256/L=52045ef0-c8be-11e0-9a9b-53bd42865e73/B=SRMFPEwNPOE-/J=1313578056736714/K=EBtm9s0eTeua9LnX9BGBNg/A=6449876/R=0/SIG=130kfcsn4/*http://www.freecreditscore.com/dni/default.aspx?SiteVersionID=997&sc=671020&bcd=YGROUPS_Bad598 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65636	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Re: Big Nate Yard Sale Comic

One of my O gauge friends sent me back a butcher Big Nate with Big Nate finding a BAR reefer in the box for 10 bucks. Hey, it happens at time. Mike From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 1:35 PM To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com ; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Steve Conard ; Tom Knoerzer ; John Picur ; Ted Miller Subject: [S-Trains] Big Nate Yard Sale Comic http://www.gocomics.com/bignate August 17, Maybe this might happen at York one day, when a S scaler finds something AF on a table selling mostly O gauge items. To all my O scale friends, just kidding, as I did at one York get a MIB SHS reefer Monarch Foods car for 30, that was being sold by a O scale person. He could of gotten at least 45 for it, as it is a highly desired car. So this sort of did happen to me in my favor. You have to know what you are selling. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65637	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann

SHS stand for "S" Helper Service also sold as The Showcase Line.  The Hi Rail versions will work with American Flyer trains. These trucks are sprung and roll like the wind.  You can buy these direct from SHS and other "S" Gauge dealers like Port Line and "S"cenery Unlimited. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: boxcar4willhe <wlon17@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:45 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: On30 Bachmann   Hi all, I hate to show my ignorance but what does SHS in SHS trucks mean? I assume It is an abbreviation for a brand but I only have Gilbert trains and have only recently returned to running trains. Also where can you order these trucks? thanks. Lon --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> wrote: > > Here's the few On30 items I have with SHS trucks. > http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/On30-Stuff > > > Rick Evans > > > On Aug 15, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Rance and Bente wrote: > > > Hi Stumpy: > > Do you have any pics of the On30 narrow gauge converts? > > tx > > Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) > > ps if you do, would you please send them to me at my email address? I > > just can't get on the yahoo groups. I think I will have to reapply, > > even though they say I already exist. > > > > > > ay, and some of the train discounter's sites. Too bad because they are > > > nice looking cars. > > > I did this conversion to S several years ago, putting SHS trucks and > > > couplers under a couple of B'mann On30 boxcars. I took them to the > > > Spring S Spree to run on my layout, where I was asked repeatedly where > > > I got "those neat old time cars." > > > Of course, I told them that they were being custom made in China, just > > > for me! :-) Then I "fessed up" and told them the truth. > > > The B'mann cars are O scale Narrow Gauge, so they are in proportion > > > for S scale Standard Gauge. The ladders are out of scale, but the rest > > > of the car is reasonably close to correct. > > > All you have to do is file off the coupler boxes and use a small > > > washer between the Bachmann bolster and the trucks and couplers. I > > > have seven On30 cars in my fleet. > > > Despite being models of the wooden cars used into the thirties, and > > > much longer in work train service, the On30 cars are too small for the > > > Franklin engine and cars which are actually about 0 scale Standard Gauge. > > > Stumpy in Appalachia > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65638	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann

Rance, Common problem it seems, haven't been able to access for quite a while, trying to contact Yahoo is like getting reason out of our Congress, ain't happening. Jim Lyle In a message dated 8/16/2011 5:42:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, velapoldi@... writes: please send them to me at my email address? I just can't get on the yahoo groups. I think I will have to reapply, even though they say I already exist. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65639	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Re: On30 Bachmann

You're right, Alistair, the Frontiersman passenger cars are pretty nice. Nice enough that several On30 guys have been buying them up for conversion to On30! They make a few small changes such as enlarging the doors, while others get more seriouis and do some shortening. The cars ride lower on On30 trucks so only a few of them have "sectioned" the bodies by trimming off some material above the windows. Those of us who know both Flyer and Bachmann cars can tell which are which, but many On30 folks can't. Another crossover are the guys using S Helper Service billboard reefers in On30. However, since B'mann started making their own billboard cars, this practice has fallen off. Stumpy Sotne...working both the S and On30 sides of the hobby street.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65640	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: AF Type Caboose Restoration Project

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/696792905/pic/6707217/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc http://www.ridgelymd.org/pfd_files/_ads/caboose_information_2011.pdf Last month Jim Hannawald wrote to the group about a real caboose in Ridgely, MD that was the prototype for the 630 AF Reading Caboose. It is in real bad shape as the Ridgely Historical Society is raising money to restore it back to how it was when it was being used on the railroad. It needs a lot of works, as it has a lot of rust, holes in it, needs to be sanded down, rust and holes taken care of and then repainted. Someone asked on the list for a address so he and hopefully others could help out with some money for the project. Jim, who I know will be working on this caboose, gave us the address and I sent them a check for 25 dollars, not much, but something. I got a letter from the historical society telling me as of August 12, I was the very first and only donation they have received. I was very sadden to read this letter, as they sent me pictures of the real caboose and of the AF caboose that used the real caboose as the prototype. They gave me also a copy of the above link telling us more about this caboose. This caboose is one of 20 that was built in 1931 for the Reading RR used until 1970. then it was sold to a Reading Engineer who leased it to the New Hope and Ivyland RR and then to another RR. You can read more on this caboose in the second link. I also have in the photo album of the material I receive in the mail today from the historical society which includes photos of the real caboose as of today, the AF caboose that we all know, the PDF with the information about the history of the caboose, as it does mention this caboose was used for the AF caboose and the letter to me about my donation being the only one so far. I do not live near the caboose nor do I have anything to do with the historical society. I gave money to this project not only because saving this caboose is a good cause, but because it is part of the American Flyer Heritage we all love. I am hoping that some of you will reach out in your hearts and give something to the this society to help keep this AF type caboose alive. I gave 25, if you can give that great, give more great, give just five dollars, great. It will make you feel real good. If you can’t that is okay too. If you do give and I hope you do mail a check to: Ridgely Historical Society P.O. Box 155 Ridgely, Maryland 21660 In the memo area of your check write: Ridgely Caboose. I have never asked anyone to do anything like this before, but I feel we as S gaugers need to do this and help this caboose stay alive. It’s a part of us. Thank you from me, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65641	From: Scott Davidson	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Re: What's it mean? ..... SIO?

Stumpy In Ohio :>) From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mrstumpy50 Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 07:06 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE:What's it mean? Those who have been around here for a while tend to shorten names up, which can be confusing. "SHS" is S Helper Service also known as "The Showcase Line." "AF" is American Flyer, of course. "AM" is American Models. Over on the On30 groups Bachmann Trains is "B'mann" or "BM." We probably should type out the whole name at some point in our messages to avoid confusion. Stumpy in Ahia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65642	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Re: Anybody doing Free-Mo S?

I think I was in the same clinic, but I don't even remember you asking the question, so your memory isn't as bad as mine. The responses from the group have, as usual, been great.  One pointed to a Yahoo group for the S-Scale version of Free-mo, which was started in 2006!  I'm surprised to learn that it's been around that long and I haven't heard anybody talking about it.  I'm looking forward to digging into their message archive and learning what they've been doing all these years! Another website gave a generic overview of the Free-mo concept and applied it to various scales from N to O, expressing standards in terms of scale feet rather than module dimensions.  That's how it can be applied to any scale. Yes, Free-mo started in the HO world, but people in all scales have picked up on the degree of freedom it gives to module designers.  One of the "modules" at the NTS was over 40 feet long!  That's because a module is defined as whatever someone puts between two module interfaces, rather than a table that is 4 or 6 feet long; as long as the interfaces conform to the standard, nobody cares much about what's in between (except rail height, curve radius, and turnout specs).  Corners don't have to be 90 degrees; you can make one 23.981 degrees if you want.  That's why it's called "Free" mo. With that degree of freedom, obviously, it is intended for point-to-point operations rather than continuous running in a loop like the S-Mod standard.  (Free-mo advocates love to point out that very few real railroads run in a loop.)  So there's no backdrop or sky board on either side of the modules; people view the layout and operate it from both sides - there's no difference between the club side and the visitor side. It's great for people who love operating sessions. Since Free-mo calls for DCC, and we generally run DCC on the outer mainline of our S-Mod layout, I'd love to run lines out of each end of the rail yard on our club's layout to a bunch of Free-mo interfaces; that would make our entire S-Mod layout a Free-mo module!  I love the concept.  We could mount a really cool operating scenario. "All we have to do" is raise up our layout 8 inches to match the Free-mo rail height. ________________________________ From: "tennsgauge@..." <tennsgauge@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Anybody doing Free-Mo S?   Bob, I cannot answer your question about contacting S clubs that do Free-mo. Prior to the convention in Sacto, I had no idea was Free-mo was so I attended an excellent clinic on it. Its really a pretty simple concept and now I understand why the modules do not have to confirm to a certain size or shape. But the discussion was all in the context of HO. I am wondering if there are Free-mo standards for S ? I would think the Free-mo clubs would appeal more to the scalers (including high-scalers) than the modular clubs with Gilbert accessories. That is not intended to be a criticism, but the Free-mo standards in HO put a lot of emphasis on realistic operations and an absence of what they define as gimmics. I asked what was meant by "gimmics" but I am having a senior moment right now and cannot remember. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 8/16/2011 3:30:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, theupstairstrain@... writes: At X2011, it was stated that a group in Texas and another in Calgary, Canada, were doing Free-Mo in S; I've also been told that a group in Montana is doing it. But nobody knew how to contact them. Can any of you put me in contact with them? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65643	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Re: Anybody doing Free-Mo S?

The lack of discussion about S Free-mo indicates to me that there is still freedom to develop new standards that might make it more popular. This would make an interesting clinic and discussion at the 2012 NASG Convention in Chattanooga. . - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 8/17/2011 8:36:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, theupstairstrain@... writes: I think I was in the same clinic, but I don't even remember you asking the question, so your memory isn't as bad as mine. The responses from the group have, as usual, been great. One pointed to a Yahoo group for the S-Scale version of Free-mo, which was started in 2006! I'm surprised to learn that it's been around that long and I haven't heard anybody talking about it. I'm looking forward to digging into their message archive and learning what they've been doing all these years! Another website gave a generic overview of the Free-mo concept and applied it to various scales from N to O, expressing standards in terms of scale feet rather than module dimensions. That's how it can be applied to any scale. Yes, Free-mo started in the HO world, but people in all scales have picked up on the degree of freedom it gives to module designers. One of the "modules" at the NTS was over 40 feet long! That's because a module is defined as whatever someone puts between two module interfaces, rather than a table that is 4 or 6 feet long; as long as the interfaces conform to the standard, nobody cares much about what's in between (except rail height, curve radius, and turnout specs). Corners don't have to be 90 degrees; you can make one 23.981 degrees if you want. That's why it's called "Free" mo. With that degree of freedom, obviously, it is intended for point-to-point operations rather than continuous running in a loop like the S-Mod standard. (Free-mo advocates love to point out that very few real railroads run in a loop.) So there's no backdrop or sky board on either side of the modules; people view the layout and operate it from both sides - there's no difference between the club side and the visitor side. It's great for people who love operating sessions. Since Free-mo calls for DCC, and we generally run DCC on the outer mainline of our S-Mod layout, I'd love to run lines out of each end of the rail yard on our club's layout to a bunch of Free-mo interfaces; that would make our entire S-Mod layout a Free-mo module! I love the concept. We could mount a really cool operating scenario. "All we have to do" is raise up our layout 8 inches to match the Free-mo rail height. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65644	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Re: AF Type Caboose Restoration Project

If you click on the photo part, you can make the print bigger, I did not realize it might be small based on your setting for photos. Again, thanks so much for what you all do. Mike From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 8:44 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AF Type Caboose Restoration Project http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/696792905/pic/6707217/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc http://www.ridgelymd.org/pfd_files/_ads/caboose_information_2011.pdf Last month Jim Hannawald wrote to the group about a real caboose in Ridgely, MD that was the prototype for the 630 AF Reading Caboose. It is in real bad shape as the Ridgely Historical Society is raising money to restore it back to how it was when it was being used on the railroad. It needs a lot of works, as it has a lot of rust, holes in it, needs to be sanded down, rust and holes taken care of and then repainted. Someone asked on the list for a address so he and hopefully others could help out with some money for the project. Jim, who I know will be working on this caboose, gave us the address and I sent them a check for 25 dollars, not much, but something. I got a letter from the historical society telling me as of August 12, I was the very first and only donation they have received. I was very sadden to read this letter, as they sent me pictures of the real caboose and of the AF caboose that used the real caboose as the prototype. They gave me also a copy of the above link telling us more about this caboose. This caboose is one of 20 that was built in 1931 for the Reading RR used until 1970. then it was sold to a Reading Engineer who leased it to the New Hope and Ivyland RR and then to another RR. You can read more on this caboose in the second link. I also have in the photo album of the material I receive in the mail today from the historical society which includes photos of the real caboose as of today, the AF caboose that we all know, the PDF with the information about the history of the caboose, as it does mention this caboose was used for the AF caboose and the letter to me about my donation being the only one so far. I do not live near the caboose nor do I have anything to do with the historical society. I gave money to this project not only because saving this caboose is a good cause, but because it is part of the American Flyer Heritage we all love. I am hoping that some of you will reach out in your hearts and give something to the this society to help keep this AF type caboose alive. I gave 25, if you can give that great, give more great, give just five dollars, great. It will make you feel real good. If you can’t that is okay too. If you do give and I hope you do mail a check to: Ridgely Historical Society P.O. Box 155 Ridgely, Maryland 21660 In the memo area of your check write: Ridgely Caboose. I have never asked anyone to do anything like this before, but I feel we as S gaugers need to do this and help this caboose stay alive. It’s a part of us. Thank you from me, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65645	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: Re: Anybody doing Free-Mo S?

On Aug 17, 2011, at 6:05 PM, Robert Graves wrote: > That's because a module is defined as whatever someone puts between two module interfaces, rather than a table that is 4 or 6 feet long; as long as the interfaces conform to the standard, nobody cares much about what's in between (except rail height, curve radius, and turnout specs). > The NASG S-Mod standards are the same. As long as the interfaces conform to the standard, the module owner can do anything he wants to in between the interfaces. Also, there are not any specifications for using only certain size rail, minimum radius or minimum turnout number. These items will fall into either a restricted or unrestricted category, and then this info must be given to the layout coordinator prior to the show. > Corners don't have to be 90 degrees; you can make one 23.981 degrees if you want. That's why it's called "Free" mo. > The NASG S-Mod standards are the same. There is nothing in the S-Mods stating the curved sections must be 90 degrees. > With that degree of freedom, obviously, it is intended for point-to-point operations rather than continuous running in a loop like the S-Mod standard. > There is nothing in the NASG S-Mods that states the layout has to beset up in a continuous running loop. Whether the modular layout is set up for loop-to-loop or continuous running is the decision of the group setting up the layout. > So there's no backdrop or sky board on either side of the modules; > There is no requirement for backdrop or sky board in the NASG S-Mods. This again is the module builders choice. > It's great for people who love operating sessions. > There is no reason you can not have an operating session with continuous running provided you have industries with spur tracks on some modules, and/or some yard modules. Being able to operate trains has nothing to do with whether Free-Mo or NASG S-Mod is used. It all has to do with deciding what you want to do with your module sections. > I'd love to run lines out of each end of the rail yard on our club's layout to a bunch of Free-mo interfaces; that would make our entire S-Mod layout a Free-mo module! I love the concept. We could mount a really cool operating scenario. > See Bob, even you agree continuous running can have some type of operation. I built one module of our Bay Area S Scalers modular layout with a spur off the outside track to be able to connect some additional modules off the end to make a branch line. However, one of our club members took over that module, and changed the spur track to add a small yard at the end. Later he got rid of the small yard,but the spur had been changed enough that I can not do what I originally wanted to do without a lot of work. > "All we have to do" is raise up our layout 8 inches to match the Free-mo rail height. > This is the one place the NASG S-Mod and Free-mo differs. The only point I am trying to make is that the NASG S-Mods are not as restrictive as most people make them out to be. You can do the same thing with modules built to NASG S-Mod standards as you can with modules built to Free-mo. In fact the only very large S modular layout was done to S-Mod standards, and set up at the 1990 NASG/NMRA National Convention in Pittsburgh, PA. It had a large continuous running loop with with many industries and spur tracks, and three different branch lines each with switching along the way, and small yards at the end of each branch. Lee Johnson Walnut Creek, CA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65646	From: richs009	Date: 8/17/2011
Subject: caboose prototype

Mike and others - thanks for the reminder. I had said when I brought this up that my check was in the envelope waiting for an address. thanks for that, as I had lost the thread. So now my check is in the mail... Indeed, I agree with Mike (and I'm further away from the caboose than he is - by the width of the country!). It seems like a good cause and if everyone who has a Flyer caboose for which this is a prototype (630, 638, 904, 930, 934, 24626, etc. - not to mention the Flyonel issues) gave a little bit - maybe a little bit for each caboose you own - that will go along way to help these folks out restore the (last remaining?) prototype. - Rich (one of several Riches on this list) ps if they can raise enough money to do the restoration, maybe one of us can donate a Flyer caboose for them to display - with a note that sez 'the model that inspired the prototype restoration'...!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65647	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Re: caboose prototype

Rich, Thanks, as I got carried away with this, sorry. I think they already have a AF caboose to go with it. But would it not be great to know that members of the S list really got involved with this, as I am not asking you give much, just a few bucks if that is all you can do. Thanks for what ever happens. Mike From: richs009 Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 12:50 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] caboose prototype Mike and others - thanks for the reminder. I had said when I brought this up that my check was in the envelope waiting for an address. thanks for that, as I had lost the thread. So now my check is in the mail... Indeed, I agree with Mike (and I'm further away from the caboose than he is - by the width of the country!). It seems like a good cause and if everyone who has a Flyer caboose for which this is a prototype (630, 638, 904, 930, 934, 24626, etc. - not to mention the Flyonel issues) gave a little bit - maybe a little bit for each caboose you own - that will go along way to help these folks out restore the (last remaining?) prototype. - Rich (one of several Riches on this list) ps if they can raise enough money to do the restoration, maybe one of us can donate a Flyer caboose for them to display - with a note that sez 'the model that inspired the prototype restoration'...! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65648	From: Frank	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Re: caboose prototype

Where and whom do we send a check ? Sorry I missed the original email. Frank Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2011, at 6:11 AM, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > Rich, > > Thanks, as I got carried away with this, sorry. > > I think they already have a AF caboose to go with it. > > But would it not be great to know that members of the S list really got involved with this, as I am not asking you give much, just a few bucks if that is all you can do. > > Thanks for what ever happens. > > Mike > > From: richs009 > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 12:50 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] caboose prototype > > Mike and others - thanks for the reminder. I had said when I brought this up that my check was in the envelope waiting for an address. thanks for that, as I had lost the thread. So now my check is in the mail... > > Indeed, I agree with Mike (and I'm further away from the caboose than he is - by the width of the country!). It seems like a good cause and if everyone who has a Flyer caboose for which this is a prototype (630, 638, 904, 930, 934, 24626, etc. - not to mention the Flyonel issues) gave a little bit - maybe a little bit for each caboose you own - that will go along way to help these folks out restore the (last remaining?) prototype. > > - Rich (one of several Riches on this list) > > ps if they can raise enough money to do the restoration, maybe one of us can donate a Flyer caboose for them to display - with a note that sez 'the model that inspired the prototype restoration'...! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65649	From: Dave	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: NEW RIMS & TRACTION RIMS

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 65650	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Re: caboose prototype

Rich, Thanks for your comments. I have a AF caboose just waiting to get to the Historical Society the next time I see Cathy. Jim From: richs009 Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 12:50 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] caboose prototype Mike and others - thanks for the reminder. I had said when I brought this up that my check was in the envelope waiting for an address. thanks for that, as I had lost the thread. So now my check is in the mail... Indeed, I agree with Mike (and I'm further away from the caboose than he is - by the width of the country!). It seems like a good cause and if everyone who has a Flyer caboose for which this is a prototype (630, 638, 904, 930, 934, 24626, etc. - not to mention the Flyonel issues) gave a little bit - maybe a little bit for each caboose you own - that will go along way to help these folks out restore the (last remaining?) prototype. - Rich (one of several Riches on this list) ps if they can raise enough money to do the restoration, maybe one of us can donate a Flyer caboose for them to display - with a note that sez 'the model that inspired the prototype restoration'...! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65651	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Re: caboose prototype

Ridgely Historical Society P.O. Box 155 Ridgely, Maryland 21660 In the memo area of your check write: Ridgely Caboose. Frank, Thanks, as again, I have nothing to do with the project, just thought we as AF people could help with what ever we can give. And if the caboose was in Seattle where Rich is, I would feel just as strong about this. Mike From: Frank Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 9:26 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] caboose prototype Where and whom do we send a check ? Sorry I missed the original email. Frank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65652	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Re: caboose prototype

Frank’ Here is my original message: It took a little time (folks were on vacation) but I finally got the information about where to send and potential donations for the caboose restoration. Checks should be CCHS / Ridgely Chapter and in memo: Ridgely Caboose. Address is: Ridgely Historical Society P.O. Box 155 Ridgely, Md. 21660 I have also put a couple of my photos Photo section at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1777227737/pic/list Jim From: Frank Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 9:26 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] caboose prototype Where and whom do we send a check ? Sorry I missed the original email. Frank Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2011, at 6:11 AM, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: > Rich, > > Thanks, as I got carried away with this, sorry. > > I think they already have a AF caboose to go with it. > > But would it not be great to know that members of the S list really got involved with this, as I am not asking you give much, just a few bucks if that is all you can do. > > Thanks for what ever happens. > > Mike > > From: richs009 > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 12:50 AM > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] caboose prototype > > Mike and others - thanks for the reminder. I had said when I brought this up that my check was in the envelope waiting for an address. thanks for that, as I had lost the thread. So now my check is in the mail... > > Indeed, I agree with Mike (and I'm further away from the caboose than he is - by the width of the country!). It seems like a good cause and if everyone who has a Flyer caboose for which this is a prototype (630, 638, 904, 930, 934, 24626, etc. - not to mention the Flyonel issues) gave a little bit - maybe a little bit for each caboose you own - that will go along way to help these folks out restore the (last remaining?) prototype. > > - Rich (one of several Riches on this list) > > ps if they can raise enough money to do the restoration, maybe one of us can donate a Flyer caboose for them to display - with a note that sez 'the model that inspired the prototype restoration'...! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65653	From: Don Thompson	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Re: Anybody doing Free-Mo S?

Dear Lee, The NASG modular committee had a large layout at the 1993 NASG/NMRA Valley Forge Convention that had branches as well as a loop. Smaller module layouts that included loops and branch lines were the NASG conventions in 1986 Novi, MI and 1988 New Brunswick, NJ. Don On Aug 18, 2011, at 12:15 AM, Lee Johnson wrote: > In fact the only very large S modular layout was done to S-Mod standards, and set up at the 1990 NASG/NMRA National Convention in Pittsburgh, PA. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65654	From: Al Baker	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Re: caboose prototype

My contribution is in today's mail. Thanks for letting us know about it. Al Baker Portland

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65655	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Bowser & Flyer Figures

Take a look at http://bowser-trains.com/oscale/people/people.htm The Bowser figures are too smalll for O, and some of them (like #13744) look like figures originally offered by Flyer. Does anyone know the connections between the original maker of these figures, Flyer and Bowser? Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65656	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Re: Bowser & Flyer figures

Your answer is a couple of pages over on the O gauge section of the Bowser site. The company's name is Selley and they made pewter castings since WWII in O and HO scale. Look at both pages and you'll see the same figures. I don't recall them making S figures, but they could have. The molds were taken over by Bowser sometime in the late 1990s if I recall, because we had some left over Selley items at the hobby shop and then they started coming in as Bowser. Perhaps someone else can shed more light on this? Stumpy on the Ahia River

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65657	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Re: What's it mean? ..... SIO?

Mr Stumpy.... You neglected to mention my "all time fave" P'Ville (Plasticville) or now that we have some really nice S structures, it could be "Plastic Vile" also known as "physically repulsive" according to the dictionary. The word vile that is. Actually I like the stuff. Its like in the old Ronco commercial, you can "slice it and dice it"! Then "a little dab of glue will do yah". Gene Cimino

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65658	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Big Nate Yard Sale part 4

http://www.gocomics.com/bignate Big Nate is getting ready for the buying part. this could anyone of us at York or any train show. Or any collectable Big Nate does play baseball and trombone, as in one episode he used his trombone to catch a ball. He hates cats, wants a dog, loves hockey, hates figure skating. This will end tomorrow or Saturday as something is going to happen. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65659	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Re: caboose prototype

Al, Thank you very much, as I have nothing to do with the caboose or society. If the caboose was in Portland OR, I would of send them money and feel just as strong about it. I think you brought some of my used AF track I no longer needed. Someday, I hope to get out to Portland OR, as I been to Portland ME many times, to see the Portland Beavers baseball teams. We have several Portland Beavers hats and one is on a plush toy beaver. Thanks again Al. Mike From: Al Baker Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:57 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: caboose prototype My contribution is in today's mail. Thanks for letting us know about it. Al Baker Portland [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65660	From: R G	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Re: Bowser & Flyer Figures

I have original Flyer figures and the Bowser figures.  They are exactly the same however they are too big for S Scale since most stand over 7 feet tall. ________________________________ From: Brady Burdge <brady@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Bowser & Flyer Figures   Take a look at http://bowser-trains.com/oscale/people/people.htm The Bowser figures are too smalll for O, and some of them (like #13744) look like figures originally offered by Flyer. Does anyone know the connections between the original maker of these figures, Flyer and Bowser? Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65661	From: Larry Moore	Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Re: NEW RIMS & TRACTION RIMS

Dave, This is good news. Thanks, Larry From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:32 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] NEW RIMS & TRACTION RIMS As requested by hundreds of "S" scale high rail operators and repairmen we will offer BRAND NEW AIRCRAFT GRADE ALUMINUM RIMS for all 1946-1966 AF "S" scale steam engines except the 0-8-0 & 0-6-0's suggested MSRP $5.00 per pair. Also we will offer the same grade of rim with removable traction tires (no more gluing needed) and insulators installed. Suggested MSRP $7.50 per pair. FOR FUTHER INFO. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP. Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc 502-292-1872 lbrenterprisesllc@... <mailto:lbrenterprisesllc%40yahoo.com> dave@... <mailto:dave%40lbrenterprisesllc.com> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65662	From: Dave	Date: 8/19/2011
Subject: NEW RIMS ARE READY FOR PURCHASE

Hello All. By request, we are announcing that the NEW RIMS are ready for purchase and the delivery date for the first lot is 08-26-2011. Unfortunately the raw stock (T6 aircraft grade aluminum) has had a rise in price so the MSRP is now: #DWRP81811-2 FLANGED RIM $5.75 per pair, #DWRT81811-2 FLANGED GROOVED TRACTION RIM (slip on tire & white insulator installed)$7.95 per pair. These prices include shipping in CONUS. Please use link below to view the items: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html For futher info. "PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP. Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc 502-292-1872 lbrenterprisesllc@... dave@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65663	From: lamontcranston1946	Date: 8/19/2011
Subject: Ridgely Maryland & The Caboose

Hi Y'all, We recently took a trip up north and stopped in Ridgely to see the caboose. It's a nice, quiet little town and we had a pleasant day with wonderful weather. We were able to take a few pictures of the station and some more detail shots of the caboose including the undercarriage. I've added these pictures to Jim H's album. I'm afraid She's in pretty bad shape cosmetically and will need some steel body work. On a good note, I understand that the brake tank was still holding air! Of course the obligatory sandblasting, sanding and painting will be needed to complete her. The frame looks good though, and those Taylor trucks make our little girl quite unique. We couldn't get inside so we can't say much about what kind of work may be needed there. We could see through a window that a 2x4 wall had been installed in the interior at some time and it was filled with fiberglass insulation. We also noticed a window unit A/C unit sticking out of the cupola. Light conditions and the trees kept us from getting a good photo of that. Enjoy the photos! -Clay Buckage

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65664	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 8/19/2011
Subject: NMRA Followup - Utube Best of Show - includes info on Free Mo

I have been looking for a video of the Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, HO layout that was at the National Trains Show, in conjunction with the NMRA/NASG Convention. I finally found it tonight on this video link: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqMpB6-QtKM_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqMpB6-QtKM) The video includes interviews and photos of two layouts: No. 1 Best of Show was the Edmonton group. I wish the video on this layout was longer. They explain a little about their use of a few Faller car system vehicles. This was an unbelievable layout but this is the first video I have been able to find that covered this layout.. No. 2 Best of Show was the Free-Mo layout. The interview is with the guy who led the clinic on Free-mo that I attended and he explains a little about Free-Mo. There are some other videos out there that cover (actually promote) the Free-Mo layout. . This is all HO but we might get some good ideas that could be used in S. I sure wish something like the Faller car system becomes available in S and that it becomes affordable. I had a good time with Bud Rindfleisch at the convention, and I remember his predicting that model railroading will see unbelievable electronics become available and affordable in the next few years. I hope Bud's predictions come true. - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65665	From: Dave	Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Traction Rim Installation

We have launched our AUTUMN 2011 SPECIAL. This year its a SPECIAL DEAL on the installation of our LBRE BRAND traction rims. For those of you that would like to take advantage of this special please use the link below to view the offer: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Repair-Services.html Thank you all for your continuing support and SUPER IDEAS. For further info. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65666	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: WOW! 2012 Convention Car is NC&StL yellow-stripe boxcar

There has been quite a bit of discussion on the S-scale forum about the 2012 NASG Convention Car. I have not seen any discussion on the S-Trains forum so I thought I would make sure everyone knows about this beautiful and much needed boxcar. The information is on the convention website: _http://www.nasg2012.com/_ (http://www.nasg2012.com/) WOW, this car looks gorgeous. Finally an NC&StL R-T-R freight car available in S. Over and over I have heard guys say that the NC&StL yellow striped boxcars would be a great seller in the South. Now we will find out. An HO model of this car is shown on the website. The website states that the actual convention car will be an American Models 40 foot boxcar with knuckle couplers and highrail wheels. Of course it is easy to convert to scale wheels and KD style couplers. The yellow striped cars will be available in two numbers and a third number will be available on a version of the car without the yellow stripe. Just when I was getting serious about thinning my collection. Now I have to do some thinning to make room for these cars. This convention car can be of help in promoting the existence of the Chattanooga Convention to guys in the South who don't know anything about the NASG. I am excited. For those of you who live in the Southeast, I hope you will follow my lead in sharing information with other S gaugers in your area about these beautiful cars and about the convention itself. I am going to decorate at least one AM boxcar with the decals provided last year by THE SUPPLY CAR, LLC to promote the convention at local train shows. Get your CHOO-CHOO to ChattaNOOga! - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65667	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Re: Ridgely Maryland & The Caboose

Clay, Thanks for the report on the caboose. I can’t image how much this is going to cost, 1000’s. Again so far I and 3 others sent them some money. If you all really believe in the AF heritage, please send something, as I know times are tough. I do know about tough times myself right now. Sent five anything. lets save this caboose. If the caboose was out west, I would feel the same way. If you can’t sent anything, then I understand. Mike From: lamontcranston1946 Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 10:38 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Ridgely Maryland & The Caboose Hi Y'all, We recently took a trip up north and stopped in Ridgely to see the caboose. It's a nice, quiet little town and we had a pleasant day with wonderful weather. We were able to take a few pictures of the station and some more detail shots of the caboose including the undercarriage. I've added these pictures to Jim H's album. I'm afraid She's in pretty bad shape cosmetically and will need some steel body work. On a good note, I understand that the brake tank was still holding air! Of course the obligatory sandblasting, sanding and painting will be needed to complete her. The frame looks good though, and those Taylor trucks make our little girl quite unique. We couldn't get inside so we can't say much about what kind of work may be needed there. We could see through a window that a 2x4 wall had been installed in the interior at some time and it was filled with fiberglass insulation. We also noticed a window unit A/C unit sticking out of the cupola. Light conditions and the trees kept us from getting a good photo of that. Enjoy the photos! -Clay Buckage [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65668	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Re: Bowser & Flyer Figures

The Land of the Giants! --- On Thu, 8/18/11, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote: From: R G <keyhole_corona@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bowser & Flyer Figures To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, August 18, 2011, 9:35 PM   I have original Flyer figures and the Bowser figures.  They are exactly the same however they are too big for S Scale since most stand over 7 feet tall. ________________________________ From: Brady Burdge <brady@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Bowser & Flyer Figures   Take a look at http://bowser-trains.com/oscale/people/people.htm The Bowser figures are too smalll for O, and some of them (like #13744) look like figures originally offered by Flyer. Does anyone know the connections between the original maker of these figures, Flyer and Bowser? Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65669	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/21/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday August 21, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 4 minutes. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65670	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/21/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/21/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday August 21, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65671	From: John M	Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Brill

Has anyone produced/purchased/scratched a "Brill" car? I think a brill car= for my '50's era layout would be a good fit even if most were gone by then= . I suppose "Budd" out-built "Brill". Here's a link to a Reading Company Brill from 1930. http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3D1842859 Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65672	From: Gregory	Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Iron Rail Models - Blatant Advertising

Check out the new tank car offerings on the iron rail website. We've added some new and unique cars as well as a deluxe hopper conversion kit to change AF hoppers to a more scale like appearance. All these items are available now. Regards, Greg Berndtson Iron Rail Models LLC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65673	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Re: Brill

We were a bit slower gettng rid of them down here in South Australia. I commuted 20 miles to work in one every week day up to 1969 on South Australian Railways. They continued to use them for another two years on country lines. By this stage in the proceedings they had replaced the original engines with more efficient Gardener diesels of 1940's vintage. Great fun to ride in with their rough riding and clunky gearboxes. There are several still running on preserved lines. BTW they had a couple of interesting trailer cars built to carry racehorses to tracks served by the rail lines. Alistair On Tue 23/08/11 12:32 AM , "John M" macflyer@... sent: Has anyone produced/purchased/scratched a "Brill" car? I think a brill car= for my '50's era layout would be a good fit even if most were gone by then= . I suppose "Budd" out-built "Brill". Here's a link to a Reading Company Brill from 1930. http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3D1842859 [1] Mac ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3D1842859 [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20Brill [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvaGFxYXBjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTY3MQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTQwMjY5MDA-?act=reply&messageNum=65671 [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/65671;_ylc=X3oDMTM0Njh2ZDV2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTY3MQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTQwMjY5MDAEdHBjSWQDNjU2NzE- [5] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65674	From: Dale Smith	Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Re: Brill

Your link below doesn't work, so I am not sure what type of Brill car you are talking about. Brill made a lot of different cars throughout the years. I found links to some different Brill cars. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Philadelphia_%26_Western_Railway_206.jpg and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Arhs_brill_057903.JPG (Alistair's South Australian cars) and On 8/22/2011 8:02 AM, John M wrote: > > Has anyone produced/purchased/scratched a "Brill" car? I think a brill > car= > for my '50's era layout would be a good fit even if most were gone by > then= > . I suppose "Budd" out-built "Brill". Here's a link to a Reading Company > Brill from 1930. > > http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3D1842859 > > Mac > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65675	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: What's in Your Train

I have been going back and forth with someone in the UK who works for the Milk Marketing board of the UK, in rail transportation of milk. In my collection of milk bottles I asked him about 3 British Milk Bottles I have. And that lead to other things, as I was in England for a week in 1972 and Britain just switched their money system over to the decimal system in 1971. There where lots of the older coins still in circulation including silver coins. In the US Silver coins was last made in 1964, except for Kennedy Half Dollars, they where 40% silver till 1969. I came across Bruce on a milk train yahoo list. This is some emails that we did about what he found in change and it is train related!!! ====================================================================================================================================== ………..About your coin collection …I used to keep the unusual things I found in change back in the 60s…the best being a 1868 penny in almost mint condition . Old Victorian copper coinage was common, but silver not so ..as its higher actual silver content had resulting in it vanishing……. Must dig out the coin box ….but the Iron curtain stuff is in danger of being converted into washers for the vintage toy trains …..! Bruce I found this by googling, as you got a real nice find for pocket change in the 1960s. They list EF then Unc. but no AU (almost Mint) which is strange. If it has tarnish, do not clean it, that will completely ruin it. Mike Thanks for that …I’m going looking for the 1868 penny ..it was last seen in the train room ..possibly as a load in a wagon !!!!! Bruce ======================================================================================================================= The EF listing for this coin is 200 British as a Pound is about 1.65 US. In Mint the coin is 700 British. They do not list AU on the site I found, as probably that might be around 500 British or 825 US. And this coin is riding around on his train somewhere!!!!!! YOW! So what do you have on your train! He had no idea the value of this coin on his layout. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65676	From: wd511@att.net	Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Gargraves turnout

I have only one on my mostly AF and Showcase Line layout. It worked fine when I tested it. Now, cars ride up on it and and often derail. What is a good fix for it as I believe it was a #5 and, of course, there is no alternative brand at this time that is AF compatible. Although I am handy enough for minor assembly, not up to major rebuild. thank you.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65677	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Re: Gargraves turnout

Check between the wheels with a dime. Mike Marmer From: wd511@... Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:42 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Gargraves turnout I have only one on my mostly AF and Showcase Line layout. It worked fine when I tested it. Now, cars ride up on it and and often derail. What is a good fix for it as I believe it was a #5 and, of course, there is no alternative brand at this time that is AF compatible. Although I am handy enough for minor assembly, not up to major rebuild. thank you. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65678	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Thurmont MD rail line

http://www.mapquest.com/ Click on MapQuest. Key in Thurmont, MD. Enlarge the map until you see the RR track in Thurmont. Follow it northwest. It is the wildest track line you might see, as it makes a sharp turn goes to Sabillasville, and then makes a horseshow type turn that would make Altoona jealous. Heads up to Blue Summit, PA for a bit comes back down to MD and eventually hits Hagerstown MD which a nice RR hub for many tracks. One goes north west which will become the W MD railtrail. The reason I bring this to your attention, as Thurmont is along the base of the Catoctin Mountains and there are a lot of hiking trails, as Linda and I hike up here a lot. The rail line starts in Baltimore, as it was the the Western Maryland railroad first. Now it is called the MD Midland. The RR could of followed MD 77 through the mountains a more direct shot, as I wonder if Blue Summit PA needed a rail line to come through due to some industry. We normally park at Park Headquarters on MD 77 for hiking, but we have been to Sabillasville once, as there is or was a orchard there. There is the RR track along the road, as the road is very curvy. I do remember seeing a trestle. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65679	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: Gargraves turnout

As Mike says, check for out of gauge wheels. If the turnout is mounted solidly to your layout, could it be twisted? Are the rails loose? Move the train slowly and watch where the wheels come off, that area needs help. Otherwise, you have a switch that is badly made. Gargraves turnouts made in the early 2000's had some real quality control problems for some reason, I don't know if they still do. It was enough of a problem for customers that the hobby shop I used to work at dropped them. I graduated from Flyer, to Gargraves, to S Helper Service track and switches over the years. I am very happy with the SHS track, it's the best of the bunch to run both Flyer and scale these days. The moving frog allows just about any kind of loco or rolling stock to operate through them. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65680	From: wd511@att.net	Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: Re: Gargraves turnout

Seems to be a vertical bump mostly, where the wheels hit the guide. More than one car has the problem. It's funny how it did work when I installed and was using it. Not sure, but the problem seems to have started some time after I installed a control rail on a track a couple of segments away.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65681	From: John	Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: Holy Smoke! LED headlight quadruples smoke output

On my last trip to York, I bought a mix of LED screw-in bulbs from Town&Country Hobbies in the Orange Hall. This past weekend, I put an LED "1447" equivalent in a restored junker Atlantic 302AC. The light effect was neat, with constant brightness, but the amazing thing was how much more smoke the engine puts out. My guess is that the LED bulb draws far less amperage than the old GE 1447, and the smoke unit gets more current as a result. I'm using Anormal 1 Fluid (AF) and this nondescript old Atlantic really fogged the area with the familiar Gilbert scent. Maybe this enhanced smoke phenomenon with LED bulbs is well known to the group, but it wasn't to me. John Davis Noblesville IN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65682	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: Re: Gargraves turnout

Any ballast on the track, as that can effect the switch not lining up. Use a toothpick to clean out between the ties. Something must be causing the rail of the switch to be upward then. Clean the ties.? Mike From: wd511@... Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:45 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:Gargraves turnout Seems to be a vertical bump mostly, where the wheels hit the guide. More than one car has the problem. It's funny how it did work when I installed and was using it. Not sure, but the problem seems to have started some time after I installed a control rail on a track a couple of segments away. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65683	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: Re: Holy Smoke! LED headlight quadruples smoke output

It is known and have been doing it for years with wire in LEDs, but the newer screw in ones should maker it a lot easier for the average train user. Steve SnS Trains. In a message dated 8/23/2011 9:16:37 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, wyoaf@... writes: On my last trip to York, I bought a mix of LED screw-in bulbs from Town&Country Hobbies in the Orange Hall. This past weekend, I put an LED "1447" equivalent in a restored junker Atlantic 302AC. The light effect was neat, with constant brightness, but the amazing thing was how much more smoke the engine puts out. My guess is that the LED bulb draws far less amperage than the old GE 1447, and the smoke unit gets more current as a result. I'm using Anormal 1 Fluid (AF) and this nondescript old Atlantic really fogged the area with the familiar Gilbert scent. Maybe this enhanced smoke phenomenon with LED bulbs is well known to the group, but it wasn't to me. John Davis Noblesville IN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65684	From: Dave	Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: NEW QUARTERING TOOL PHOTO

We have added photos of our NEW SEMI-UNIVERSAL QUARTERING TOOL (#QT81311-1) at our web site. For those of you that would like to see the best quartering tool on the market for pre-1966 AF steam engines please use the link below: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html Thank you all for your continuing support and ideas. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65685	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Earthquake

Our House shook for 90 seconds, as I heard Squirrels on the roof holding on for dear life. No damages like last time, in 2010, as one cow on my layout fell over as that was reported in the Washington Post last year. This quake was much stronger this year, 5.8, and not one of my 300 milk bottles moved a bit as nothing moved. However a chewed beaver tree still hanging up against a tree by the lake, finally fell over for all the beavers to eat the bark. And ever goose in the lake are gone, as we usually have about 100 geese, as it was so still and quiet with them gone, just totally weird, like Rod Sterling is about to write a Twilight Zone episode, if he was still alive. Only damage I heard about was some stones falling from the National Cathedral, hopefully no one got hurt. The Washington Nationals are playing baseball as the game was delayed by 30 minutes and anyone with tickets who could not make it can exchange them for another game. However, the game is having there own earthquakes with bean balls. No trains have any damage anywhere as far as I know. Linda had a car pull around her from behind her as she was making a left turn into our parking space with her blinker on and that almost was a earthquake to happen Hugo is still holding in as commander of Ding Burg. Just another “A day in the life”, as the Beatles wrote for Sargent Pepper. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65686	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: Big Nate

http://www.gocomics.com/bignate The further adventures of Big Nate and his 10 dollar yard sale find that he thinks is worth about a 100. Just think of it as a train item. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65687	From: Dave	Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: ULTIMATE WHEEL PULLER

Our next tool in our ever expanding line of "S" scale tools will be "THE ULTIMATE WHEEL PULLER". Super easy to use and no more puller fingers to bend, break or replace because it has NO PULLER FINGERS. Should be on our web site by Sept. 1st. Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. Dave LBE Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65688	From: Carey Probst	Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Earthquake

We felt the earthquake up here too but no effect on my AF since unfortunately it is still packed in boxes waiting for a bigger house. Fortunately it did not disrupt the Little League World Series playoffs. My town, Lock Haven, won the first series in 1948 and is 1 game away from the US championship on Saturday. Just have to win tomorrow. If they win, and maybe if they don't, I have decided to build a version of Lamade field when I get my layout. Probably not as detailed as Mike's but close enough for government work. I'm thinking HO ballplayers may be a good choice for 12 year olds or a mix of HO and S since some of these kids are over 6 ft tall while others under 5 ft. Any suggestions? Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 8/23/2011 8:38 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > > Our House shook for 90 seconds, as I heard Squirrels on the roof > holding on for dear life. > > No damages like last time, in 2010, as one cow on my layout fell over > as that was reported in the Washington Post last year. > > This quake was much stronger this year, 5.8, and not one of my 300 > milk bottles moved a bit as nothing moved. > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65689	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Website for NMRA Clinic handouts - Sacramento Convention

I thought that some of you might be interested in referencing handouts from NMRA clinics held recently in Sacramento. Most (all but a couple) of the clinics I attended were outstanding. _http://www.x2011west.org/handouts.html_ (http://www.x2011west.org/handouts.html) Note-one does not have to be an NMRA member to access these links. No one is going to be interested in all of these clinics. But many if not most serious modelers would find some of these handouts to be of interest and use. I attended the convention based on membership to the NASG. I joined the NMRA last week because I want to be able to access their resources and also attend future conventions when practical. Somewhere I read that many clinics were available on video from the NMRA but I could not find them on their site. So I sent an email to the NMRA yesterday and was told any clinic information would be available from the sponsoring hosts. That is what led me to the website link provided in the first paragraph above. Its taken me a couple of hours bookmarking the links and getting them in somewhat of an order. The handouts themselves provide a lot of links to go beyond what was in the handouts of the clinics. I am a little disappointed that I have not found any videos of the actual clinic presentations. If any of you know how to access any clinics from recent conventions, I would be interested in this information, especially those related to DCC and signalling. I hope some of you may find this of interest. - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65690	From: Ken	Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: Iron Rail Models - Blatant Advertising

Hello folks, A slight oversight occurred with Greg's recent posting. The website did not get included. Please checkout the new offerings at: www.ironrailmodels.com Thank you and we appreciate your business. Regards, Ken Palmer, Marketing/Sales Iron Rail Models LLC --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory" <gabern1@...> wrote: > > Check out the new tank car offerings on the iron rail website. We've added some new and unique cars as well as a deluxe hopper conversion kit to change AF hoppers to a more scale like appearance. All these items are available now. > Regards, > Greg Berndtson > Iron Rail Models LLC >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65691	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Rod Stewart's Hidden Beverly Hills HO Layout

http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/Features/toys-in-the-attic-rod-stewart/ Joe Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer ###################Authorized Lionel Service Center#################### ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@....###########.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65692	From: sgaugian	Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: NEW QUARTERING TOOL PHOTO

Can you provide show how the new quartering tool works? Perhaps a link to a video or the instruction sheet? Thanks. NEW SEMI-UNIVERSAL QUARTERING TOOL (#QT81311-1) at our web site. Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65693	From: Gregory	Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Iron Rail Models - Blatant advertising

It has come to my attention that some of you may have gotten a message that the Iron Rail website is no longer in service. Please be advised that we are still very much around, functioning and in business. The technical issue has been resolved so that the Iron Rail Models webpages are available. Please visit us at: www.ironrailmodels.com Greg B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65694	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: NEW QUARTERING TOOL PHOTO

Don,      We can send an instruction sheet. OK? Dave   --- On Wed, 8/24/11, sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> wrote: From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NEW QUARTERING TOOL PHOTO To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 24, 2011, 4:17 PM   Can you provide show how the new quartering tool works? Perhaps a link to a video or the instruction sheet? Thanks. NEW SEMI-UNIVERSAL QUARTERING TOOL (#QT81311-1) at our web site. Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65695	From: sgaugian	Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: Rod Stewart's Hidden Beverly Hills HO Layout

Fantastic. Thanks for sharing. Most impressed that he built so much of it himself. Most fantabulous layouts are the work of someone else.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65696	From: Ben	Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Big Boy Woes...

Sharing my layout with some out of town guests yesterday, my wife noticed that my Big Boy locomotive slowed at spots on the layout. This had never happened before, so I thought it strange. I figured perhaps it had to do with dips in the track...not so. So I looked closer at the loco and noticed that the "eye" for the wireless tether on the loco end was a bit out of its shrink tube sleeve. I pushed it back in to logical position and hoped for the best. Still running slowly- almost crawling- sometimes stopping- around the layout, even with the 30B throttle at 100. I see no broken wires, wheels do not look very dirty at all. Any ideas on what to look for? I will delve into it with some direction if any is offered, but I feel more confident tearing into an original AF engine! These new guys have such intricate electronics...but I need to get it running reliably again. I can't have a shelf display piece that costs so darn much! Thanks! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65697	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...

Ben, Sounds like you may have broken a wire on one of the motors and one is just coasting. Or you could have stripped a motor coupling out. Look here for Big Boy tips etc. http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/bigboy.htm It is an easy loco to remove the shell for inspection. If one of motor motor coupling has failed they they can be replaced.. There is also a mod. to add a shim to the worm gear to keep it from happening again. I do the mods if you need it done. These are the most common problems. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ben Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:00 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy Woes... Sharing my layout with some out of town guests yesterday, my wife noticed that my Big Boy locomotive slowed at spots on the layout. This had never happened before, so I thought it strange. I figured perhaps it had to do with dips in the track...not so. So I looked closer at the loco and noticed that the "eye" for the wireless tether on the loco end was a bit out of its shrink tube sleeve. I pushed it back in to logical position and hoped for the best. Still running slowly- almost crawling- sometimes stopping- around the layout, even with the 30B throttle at 100. I see no broken wires, wheels do not look very dirty at all. Any ideas on what to look for? I will delve into it with some direction if any is offered, but I feel more confident tearing into an original AF engine! These new guys have such intricate electronics...but I need to get it running reliably again. I can't have a shelf display piece that costs so darn much! Thanks! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65698	From: Ben	Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...

Thank you, Carl. I have had it apart once right after I got it and one of the motors was faulty. Perhaps that is happening again. I got it repaired under warranty by Lionel back then. I will check things out and get back to you. Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote: > > Ben, > > Sounds like you may have broken a wire on one of the motors and one is just > coasting. > Or you could have stripped a motor coupling out. > > Look here for Big Boy tips etc. > http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/bigboy.htm > > It is an easy loco to remove the shell for inspection. > > If one of motor motor coupling has failed they they can be replaced.. > There is also a mod. to add a shim to the worm gear to keep it from > happening again. > I do the mods if you need it done. > > These are the most common problems. > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf > Of Ben > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:00 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy Woes... > > > > Sharing my layout with some out of town guests yesterday, my wife noticed > that my Big Boy locomotive slowed at spots on the layout. This had never > happened before, so I thought it strange. I figured perhaps it had to do > with dips in the track...not so. > > So I looked closer at the loco and noticed that the "eye" for the wireless > tether on the loco end was a bit out of its shrink tube sleeve. I pushed it > back in to logical position and hoped for the best. > > Still running slowly- almost crawling- sometimes stopping- around the > layout, even with the 30B throttle at 100. > > I see no broken wires, wheels do not look very dirty at all. > > Any ideas on what to look for? I will delve into it with some direction if > any is offered, but I feel more confident tearing into an original AF > engine! These new guys have such intricate electronics...but I need to get > it running reliably again. I can't have a shelf display piece that costs so > darn much! > > Thanks! Ben > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65699	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy question

Ben, et al: How are you dealing with the oversized, cranky, funky-looking rear trucks in relation to turnouts? Roy From: <carl@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 20:19:03 -0400 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Big Boy Woes... Ben, Sounds like you may have broken a wire on one of the motors and one is just coasting. Or you could have stripped a motor coupling out. Look here for Big Boy tips etc. http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/bigboy.htm It is an easy loco to remove the shell for inspection. If one of motor motor coupling has failed they they can be replaced.. There is also a mod. to add a shim to the worm gear to keep it from happening again. I do the mods if you need it done. These are the most common problems. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ]On Behalf Of Ben Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:00 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy Woes... Sharing my layout with some out of town guests yesterday, my wife noticed that my Big Boy locomotive slowed at spots on the layout. This had never happened before, so I thought it strange. I figured perhaps it had to do with dips in the track...not so. So I looked closer at the loco and noticed that the "eye" for the wireless tether on the loco end was a bit out of its shrink tube sleeve. I pushed it back in to logical position and hoped for the best. Still running slowly- almost crawling- sometimes stopping- around the layout, even with the 30B throttle at 100. I see no broken wires, wheels do not look very dirty at all. Any ideas on what to look for? I will delve into it with some direction if any is offered, but I feel more confident tearing into an original AF engine! These new guys have such intricate electronics...but I need to get it running reliably again. I can't have a shelf display piece that costs so darn much! Thanks! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65700	From: adrian.phillips52	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: South Dock

Thanks forletting me join your site Phillips Models recently aquired the South Dock range of rolling stock and now manufacture and distribute the product. If you have any thoughts on New Zealand S scale or something you want us to explore or help you with feel free to communicate with me and I am happy to help where ever I can. We are on line and their to help. Great to be a part of your group everyone Adrian Phillips

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65701	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...

Hi Ben, I thought it was common knowledge that Lionel locomotives are only for two types of people: (1) repairmen or (2) those wanting display pieces. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote: > > Sharing my layout with some out of town guests yesterday, my wife noticed that my Big Boy locomotive slowed at spots on the layout. This had never happened before, so I thought it strange. I figured perhaps it had to do with dips in the track...not so. > > So I looked closer at the loco and noticed that the "eye" for the wireless tether on the loco end was a bit out of its shrink tube sleeve. I pushed it back in to logical position and hoped for the best. > > Still running slowly- almost crawling- sometimes stopping- around the layout, even with the 30B throttle at 100. > > I see no broken wires, wheels do not look very dirty at all. > > Any ideas on what to look for? I will delve into it with some direction if any is offered, but I feel more confident tearing into an original AF engine! These new guys have such intricate electronics...but I need to get it running reliably again. I can't have a shelf display piece that costs so darn much! > > Thanks! Ben >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65702	From: Ben	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...

Agreed, I guess. The smoke on my Lionel Docksider never worked, the traction tires on my LTI Northern dry out too quickly (replaced them with aftermarket...much better), and the Big Boy seems to have some issues. I keep trying to run them, though!! Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi Ben, > > I thought it was common knowledge that Lionel locomotives are only for two types of people: (1) repairmen or (2) those wanting display pieces. > > BG1 > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@> wrote: > > > > Sharing my layout with some out of town guests yesterday, my wife noticed that my Big Boy locomotive slowed at spots on the layout. This had never happened before, so I thought it strange. I figured perhaps it had to do with dips in the track...not so. > > > > So I looked closer at the loco and noticed that the "eye" for the wireless tether on the loco end was a bit out of its shrink tube sleeve. I pushed it back in to logical position and hoped for the best. > > > > Still running slowly- almost crawling- sometimes stopping- around the layout, even with the 30B throttle at 100. > > > > I see no broken wires, wheels do not look very dirty at all. > > > > Any ideas on what to look for? I will delve into it with some direction if any is offered, but I feel more confident tearing into an original AF engine! These new guys have such intricate electronics...but I need to get it running reliably again. I can't have a shelf display piece that costs so darn much! > > > > Thanks! Ben > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65703	From: Ben	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy question

Hi Roy- Carl has a whole page on how he modified and machined the rear trailing truck on the loco and also reconfigured the centipede and front truck on the tender to make them much more realistic and skinny. I run hand laid Tru-Scale switches, so no worries except that I have to move the mail pickup activation section outboard so that things do not catch. I can only run the Big Boy on the outermost loop of my layout, and I did have to carve some mountain/tunnel approaches a little wider. All has been fine, operationally, other than that. Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > Ben, et al: > > How are you dealing with the oversized, cranky, funky-looking rear trucks in > relation to turnouts? > > Roy > > > > From: <carl@...> > Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 20:19:03 -0400 > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Big Boy Woes... > > > > > > > Ben, > > Sounds like you may have broken a wire on one of the motors and one is just > coasting. > Or you could have stripped a motor coupling out. > > Look here for Big Boy tips etc. > http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/bigboy.htm > > It is an easy loco to remove the shell for inspection. > > If one of motor motor coupling has failed they they can be replaced.. > There is also a mod. to add a shim to the worm gear to keep it from > happening again. > I do the mods if you need it done. > > These are the most common problems. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ]On > Behalf > Of Ben > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:00 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy Woes... > > Sharing my layout with some out of town guests yesterday, my wife noticed > that my Big Boy locomotive slowed at spots on the layout. This had never > happened before, so I thought it strange. I figured perhaps it had to do > with dips in the track...not so. > > So I looked closer at the loco and noticed that the "eye" for the wireless > tether on the loco end was a bit out of its shrink tube sleeve. I pushed it > back in to logical position and hoped for the best. > > Still running slowly- almost crawling- sometimes stopping- around the > layout, even with the 30B throttle at 100. > > I see no broken wires, wheels do not look very dirty at all. > > Any ideas on what to look for? I will delve into it with some direction if > any is offered, but I feel more confident tearing into an original AF > engine! These new guys have such intricate electronics...but I need to get > it running reliably again. I can't have a shelf display piece that costs so > darn much! > > Thanks! Ben > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65704	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...

That is so good, I am forwarding this to the TCA list which is basically all O gaugers, as I have been told Lionel has issues with O gauge things too. Why do you all still buy this stuff is what gets me????? I learned years ago, Lionel is not for me. S Helper and AM freight cars are superior in detail, but I understand, engines in S is still limited, as I hope someday a DCC Hudson is made. Mike Marmer From: bull_gator_1 Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 8:41 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy Woes... Hi Ben, I thought it was common knowledge that Lionel locomotives are only for two types of people: (1) repairmen or (2) those wanting display pieces. BG1 --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote: > > Sharing my layout with some out of town guests yesterday, my wife noticed that my Big Boy locomotive slowed at spots on the layout. This had never happened before, so I thought it strange. I figured perhaps it had to do with dips in the track...not so. > > So I looked closer at the loco and noticed that the "eye" for the wireless tether on the loco end was a bit out of its shrink tube sleeve. I pushed it back in to logical position and hoped for the best. > > Still running slowly- almost crawling- sometimes stopping- around the layout, even with the 30B throttle at 100. > > I see no broken wires, wheels do not look very dirty at all. > > Any ideas on what to look for? I will delve into it with some direction if any is offered, but I feel more confident tearing into an original AF engine! These new guys have such intricate electronics...but I need to get it running reliably again. I can't have a shelf display piece that costs so darn much! > > Thanks! Ben > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65705	From: Coonass	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: possibly rare 640 hopper car

Hi all, I just picked up a collection and I found this car at the bottom of the box. It is a 640 hopper car that is painted light grey but has black lettering. I tried to look it up in my price guide but I could not find it. They had a grey painted 640 with white lettering, but none with black lettering. Does anyone have any information on this car?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65706	From: Robert Graves	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: possibly rare 640 hopper car

It's listed in the TM Guide as having about the same value as the one with white lettering, perhaps worth $5 more.  Sorry! You'll see it pictured in TheGilbertGallery.org:                http://www.geocities.com/theupstairstrain/Hopper_Cars.html Whenever you find American Flyer items, you can learn what they are, what they should look like, and when they were made by checking my website, TheGilbertGallery.org.  The site lists all S-Scale American Flyer engines, cars, and accessories made by A.C.Gilbert from 1946-1967 and by Lionel from 1979 to present.  There are pictures of most items.  Hard-to-find and rare items are identified as such. I hope you will visit the site and that you find it useful and enjoyable. ________________________________ From: Coonass <civicman_97@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 7:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] possibly rare 640 hopper car   Hi all, I just picked up a collection and I found this car at the bottom of the box. It is a 640 hopper car that is painted light grey but has black lettering. I tried to look it up in my price guide but I could not find it. They had a grey painted 640 with white lettering, but none with black lettering. Does anyone have any information on this car? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65707	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy question

Ben Yes, I have seen Carl¹s excellent work and suggestions on the BB. The modifications he does are outside my envelope for a variety of reasons. His asking price of $300 to do the work seems reasonable to me, but again, that is also outside my envelope at the moment. It is good to have such an iconic locomotive in S, for sure, but I am still irritated that in order for it to look and operate more like the original I have to spend half again as much on the engine to fix problems that should have been addressed at the manufacturing level, not after market. Glad to hear it is working OK for you though :) I am right on the cusp of deciding whether to sell my MIB unit and just quit fretting about it. Roy From: Ben <lbstiles@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:23:13 +0000 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy question Hi Roy- Carl has a whole page on how he modified and machined the rear trailing truck on the loco and also reconfigured the centipede and front truck on the tender to make them much more realistic and skinny. I run hand laid Tru-Scale switches, so no worries except that I have to move the mail pickup activation section outboard so that things do not catch. I can only run the Big Boy on the outermost loop of my layout, and I did have to carve some mountain/tunnel approaches a little wider. All has been fine, operationally, other than that. Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > Ben, et al: > > How are you dealing with the oversized, cranky, funky-looking rear trucks in > relation to turnouts? > > Roy > > > > From: <carl@...> > Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 20:19:03 -0400 > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Big Boy Woes... > > > > > > > Ben, > > Sounds like you may have broken a wire on one of the motors and one is just > coasting. > Or you could have stripped a motor coupling out. > > Look here for Big Boy tips etc. > http://www.tuveson.com/bigboy/bigboy.htm > > It is an easy loco to remove the shell for inspection. > > If one of motor motor coupling has failed they they can be replaced.. > There is also a mod. to add a shim to the worm gear to keep it from > happening again. > I do the mods if you need it done. > > These are the most common problems. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ]On > Behalf > Of Ben > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:00 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Big Boy Woes... > > Sharing my layout with some out of town guests yesterday, my wife noticed > that my Big Boy locomotive slowed at spots on the layout. This had never > happened before, so I thought it strange. I figured perhaps it had to do > with dips in the track...not so. > > So I looked closer at the loco and noticed that the "eye" for the wireless > tether on the loco end was a bit out of its shrink tube sleeve. I pushed it > back in to logical position and hoped for the best. > > Still running slowly- almost crawling- sometimes stopping- around the > layout, even with the 30B throttle at 100. > > I see no broken wires, wheels do not look very dirty at all. > > Any ideas on what to look for? I will delve into it with some direction if > any is offered, but I feel more confident tearing into an original AF > engine! These new guys have such intricate electronics...but I need to get > it running reliably again. I can't have a shelf display piece that costs so > darn much! > > Thanks! Ben > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65708	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: possibly rare 640 hopper car

Hi Coons Greenbergs giide to American flyer Volume one Motive power and Rolling stock on page 159-160 discribes the 640 hopper car and the variations. unpainted light to medium grey plastic body with white or black sans-serif lettering AMERICAN FLYER / 640 Hope this helps Thanks Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: Coonass To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 10:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] possibly rare 640 hopper car Hi all, I just picked up a collection and I found this car at the bottom of the box. It is a 640 hopper car that is painted light grey but has black lettering. I tried to look it up in my price guide but I could not find it. They had a grey painted 640 with white lettering, but none with black lettering. Does anyone have any information on this car? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65709	From: mike jones	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: possibly rare 640 hopper car

Hi yall, Thanks guys... I dont know why the yahoo group changed my name to coon. But i went back and fixed it. Mike --- On Thu, 8/25/11, Stanley Sobieski <americanflyer@...> wrote: From: Stanley Sobieski <americanflyer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] possibly rare 640 hopper car To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 25, 2011, 11:36 AM   Hi Coons Greenbergs giide to American flyer Volume one Motive power and Rolling stock on page 159-160 discribes the 640 hopper car and the variations. unpainted light to medium grey plastic body with white or black sans-serif lettering AMERICAN FLYER / 640 Hope this helps Thanks Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: Coonass To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 10:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] possibly rare 640 hopper car Hi all, I just picked up a collection and I found this car at the bottom of the box. It is a 640 hopper car that is painted light grey but has black lettering. I tried to look it up in my price guide but I could not find it. They had a grey painted 640 with white lettering, but none with black lettering. Does anyone have any information on this car? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65710	From: Bruce	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: possibly rare 640 hopper car

Greenberg 2011 guides states a 640 with black lettering is valued at $15.00 in excellent condition. Bruce From: Coonass Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 7:35 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] possibly rare 640 hopper car Hi all, I just picked up a collection and I found this car at the bottom of the box. It is a 640 hopper car that is painted light grey but has black lettering. I tried to look it up in my price guide but I could not find it. They had a grey painted 640 with white lettering, but none with black lettering. Does anyone have any information on this car? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65711	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: NASG Convention Questions - 2012 Chattanooga Convention

There are so many S-related functions that are fun at NASG conventions, and these have been mentioned. Let me list some other attractions specific to the upcoming convention in Chattanooga. - CHATTANOOGA CHOO CHOO, former Southern station with motel rooms within railroad cars in the yard, huge Ho gauge model layout. - CHATTANOOGA, A GREAT TOURIST DESTINATION. This is a city that has transformed itself from a dirty industrialized city to one with great tourist attractions. In addition to Ruby Falls, Lookout Mountain and the Incline Railway, the city itself has lots of artsy events, nice restaurants, two world-class aqariums, including the largest fresh-water aqarium in the world, dinner cruises on a beautiful river, IMAX Theatre, and lots of other attractions, and I have listed these just off the top of my head. - TENNESSEE VALLEY RAILROAD AND MUSUEM. This is an actual switching railroad and tourist railroad with 3 miles of its own track that go through a tunnel under Missionary Ridge. Trains are turned on a wye at the main station and riders get to see the locomotive turned on a turntable at the other end. The shops always have restorations taking place, both steam and diesel and passenger cars. The famous 4501 is currently being restored and may or may not be finished by convention time. I read that an excursion from the museum into north Georgia is planned just for our convention-goers. Whether steam is available is somewhat dependent on what Norfolk Southern's renewed steam excursion program has scheduled. Steam locomotive 630 has been put back into service earlier this year. There is a heavyweight dining car and observation car normally on the excursions. - HIWASSEE LOOP TRAIN EXCURSION - Trains are boarded about an hour's drive away from Chattanooga. Its extremely scenic and includes a ride over the famous loop built by the L&N. Usually this train is pulled by a former NC&StL GP7 that has been restored in its original paint scheme. One of the coaches usually in this train is an ex-L&N coach restored to its original scheme on The Hummingbird. - NMRA HEADQUARTERS - I have never visited it but it is located next to the TVRM main station. I think there are plans to move this to the California State Railroad Museum sometime in the future. Maybe someone else can tell us more about this. - GREAT SMOKY MOUNTAINS NATIONAL PARK - This may be the perfect time to visit our nation's most visited National Park. Attendance has been way down due to the economy which should make driving easier. Gatlinburg and Pigeon Forge are terribly commercialized and I do not encourage long stays there. But the drive from Gatlinburg to Newfound Gap on the Tennessee-North Carolina border is one of the most breath-taking drives in North America. And you can drive 7 miles further to Clingman's Dome, highest point in the park. The 3/4 mile trail to the observation tower is an easy walk. Visiting the park is only a short detour for those of you driving from the East. And its only about a 2 1/2 hour drive from Chattanooga to the park entrance in Gatlinburg. A leisurely drive through Cades Cove is another favorite destination in the park and is easily reached by taking the park entrance from Maryville, TN. The North Carolina side of the park is less commercialized and is the location of the Great Smoky Mountain Railroad. - GRANDE OLE OPRY - No this is not in Chattanooga. But for those driving to the convention through Memphis, St. Louis, or Louisville, its a short hop off of Interstate 40 or 65 in Nashville. Order your tickets early for the Friday night or Saturday night shows. - OTHER RAILROAD ATTRACTIONS: Excursions on several Saturdays during the summer on the Tennessee Central Museum trains from Nashville headed east; Casey Jones Museum in Jackson, TN, just off I-40 between Memphis and Nashville; NC&StL 4-8-4 on static display in beautiful Centennial Park in Nashville (tour the full size replica of The Parthenon while in the park); Cowan Railroad Museum at the base of the Cumberland Mtn tunnel on former NC&StL mainline (still a busy CSX line) about an hour's drive east of Chattanooga;.Southern Appalachia Railroad Museum with its Secret City train excursions and lots of restored locos and pass cars, near Oak Ridge. Incidentally there are two restored steam locomotive that operate an several Saturdays during the year in Knoxville, TN. Also for those of you traveling through Atlanta, there is the Southeastern Railroad Museum, and the Southern Museum of Civil War & Locomotive History in nearby Kennesaw where the civil war locomotive "The General" is preserved. I am sure I have missed some sites in the area. - WHITE WATER RAFTING - There is great rafting several places including the Ocoee River not far from Chattanooga. - - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65712	From: R G	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...

I have a Mikaido, a Pacific, the docksider the Northern and the Big Boy.  Except for the Northern's traction tires wearing out I have had no problems.  I have an early Eire ABA from the 80's it was one of those that had the bad e-unit but that was an easy fix.  I have fortunately been very pleased with the newer Lionel Locomotives.  Smoke production aint great in most of them but that is not an issue with me.  The S-helper Consolidation is not a good smoke producer either and I have probably fried the coil in it. From: Ben <lbstiles@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 9:25 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy Woes...   Agreed, I guess. The smoke on my Lionel Docksider never worked, the traction tires on my LTI Northern dry out too quickly (replaced them with aftermarket...much better), and the Big Boy seems to have some issues. I keep trying to run them, though!! Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi Ben, > > I thought it was common knowledge that Lionel locomotives are only for two types of people: (1) repairmen or (2) those wanting display pieces. > > BG1 > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@> wrote: > > > > Sharing my layout with some out of town guests yesterday, my wife noticed that my Big Boy locomotive slowed at spots on the layout. This had never happened before, so I thought it strange. I figured perhaps it had to do with dips in the track...not so. > > > > So I looked closer at the loco and noticed that the "eye" for the wireless tether on the loco end was a bit out of its shrink tube sleeve. I pushed it back in to logical position and hoped for the best. > > > > Still running slowly- almost crawling- sometimes stopping- around the layout, even with the 30B throttle at 100. > > > > I see no broken wires, wheels do not look very dirty at all. > > > > Any ideas on what to look for? I will delve into it with some direction if any is offered, but I feel more confident tearing into an original AF engine! These new guys have such intricate electronics...but I need to get it running reliably again. I can't have a shelf display piece that costs so darn much! > > > > Thanks! Ben > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65713	From: Dale Smith	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: NEW QUARTERING TOOL PHOTO

Why not post it to the files section of this group so we can all see how it works. Dale On 8/24/2011 1:56 PM, Dave at LBR Enterprises wrote: > > Don, > We can send an instruction sheet. OK? > Dave > > > --- On Wed, 8/24/11, sgaugian <dsme_horn@... > <mailto:dsme_horn%40hotmail.com>> wrote: > > From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@... <mailto:dsme_horn%40hotmail.com>> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NEW QUARTERING TOOL PHOTO > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, August 24, 2011, 4:17 PM > > > > Can you provide show how the new quartering tool works? Perhaps a link > to a video or the instruction sheet? Thanks. > > NEW SEMI-UNIVERSAL QUARTERING TOOL (#QT81311-1) at our web site. Dave > > LBR Enterprises, llc > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65714	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Big Nate's Further adventure

http://www.gocomics.com/bignate time for the big payoff for Big Nate and his collectable. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65715	From: sgaugian	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...

Oh, one of my SHS Connies is DCC and the other I converted to TMCC with sound. Love SHS products too, even run one of my F unit sets in LocoMatic mode. Guess I'm an operating system junkie. Should pack my TMCC with sound converted units for the weekend too now that I think of it. Lionel AF rolling stock leaves much to be desired compared to SHS, AM, Hoquat, and others, but a few units here and the are pretty nice.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65716	From: sgaugian	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...

If not for Lionel I'd be out of this hobby and I suspect a good number of others would be too or at least have found less interest in it by now. Same too for DCC for that matter because I happen to like owning, running, and repairing/maintaining conventional Gilbert classics, as much as I do TMCC/Legacy and DCC units. Add converting some to the other in that. For example, I'm running in a show this weekend and bet your bottom dollar there will be Lionel Flyer in my cases - - the Big Boy included. It's a gas to run and attracts a crowd -- to S. Then too there'll probably be a 312 or 4713 in there and a TMCC converted AM Northern. Sure my early Mikados had some issues, but four of them later and some Pacific with heavyweight sets (the Blue Comet is a beauty) and I'm a happy camper - - now running Legacy. If you haven't tried something enough to give a fair shake, don't call those who have foolish.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65717	From: Dave	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Quartering Tool Weight

We have been asked and here is the answer. Our NEW QUARTERING TOOL #QT81311-1 weighs in at slightly over 3 pounds. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65718	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: NEW QUARTERING TOOL PHOTO

Dale, The tool is pretty straight forward. Instructions to the mechanic are not really needed as the pins are asymmetric and will fit in any direction. There are two photos of the tool in the photos section that we posted yesterday. However we are working on a pictorial set of instructions to accompany the tool when shipped. We will post this set of instructions in the files section. This tool is for the advanced modeler but we will soon have a smaller version of the tool using a fool proof method for quartering at a reduced price. Just for this groups consuption, the first tool was shipped to England yesterday. The next five units go to Australia. Dave, LBR Enterprises, llc   --- On Thu, 8/25/11, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW QUARTERING TOOL PHOTO To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 25, 2011, 2:52 PM   Why not post it to the files section of this group so we can all see how it works. Dale On 8/24/2011 1:56 PM, Dave at LBR Enterprises wrote: > > Don, > We can send an instruction sheet. OK? > Dave > > > --- On Wed, 8/24/11, sgaugian <dsme_horn@... > <mailto:dsme_horn%40hotmail.com>> wrote: > > From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@... <mailto:dsme_horn%40hotmail.com>> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NEW QUARTERING TOOL PHOTO > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, August 24, 2011, 4:17 PM > > > > Can you provide show how the new quartering tool works? Perhaps a link > to a video or the instruction sheet? Thanks. > > NEW SEMI-UNIVERSAL QUARTERING TOOL (#QT81311-1) at our web site. Dave > > LBR Enterprises, llc > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65719	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: S Helper Smoke Units

The S Helper engines smoke great with Crestwood Smoke fluid,, they do not do well with Bob Board’s fluid. I have two S Helper engines and they are really with the Crestwood, which can be ordered at Walter’s or Google Crestwood Smoke Fluid for other suppliers. SHS might sell it too. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65720	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...

Please remember that we have superior traction tires for the big boy that don't wear out like the originals and certainly give a lot better traction. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc --- On Thu, 8/25/11, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote: From: R G <keyhole_corona@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy Woes... To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, August 25, 2011, 3:52 PM   I have a Mikaido, a Pacific, the docksider the Northern and the Big Boy.  Except for the Northern's traction tires wearing out I have had no problems.  I have an early Eire ABA from the 80's it was one of those that had the bad e-unit but that was an easy fix.  I have fortunately been very pleased with the newer Lionel Locomotives.  Smoke production aint great in most of them but that is not an issue with me.  The S-helper Consolidation is not a good smoke producer either and I have probably fried the coil in it. From: Ben <lbstiles@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 9:25 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy Woes...   Agreed, I guess. The smoke on my Lionel Docksider never worked, the traction tires on my LTI Northern dry out too quickly (replaced them with aftermarket...much better), and the Big Boy seems to have some issues. I keep trying to run them, though!! Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi Ben, > > I thought it was common knowledge that Lionel locomotives are only for two types of people: (1) repairmen or (2) those wanting display pieces. > > BG1 > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@> wrote: > > > > Sharing my layout with some out of town guests yesterday, my wife noticed that my Big Boy locomotive slowed at spots on the layout. This had never happened before, so I thought it strange. I figured perhaps it had to do with dips in the track...not so. > > > > So I looked closer at the loco and noticed that the "eye" for the wireless tether on the loco end was a bit out of its shrink tube sleeve. I pushed it back in to logical position and hoped for the best. > > > > Still running slowly- almost crawling- sometimes stopping- around the layout, even with the 30B throttle at 100. > > > > I see no broken wires, wheels do not look very dirty at all. > > > > Any ideas on what to look for? I will delve into it with some direction if any is offered, but I feel more confident tearing into an original AF engine! These new guys have such intricate electronics...but I need to get it running reliably again. I can't have a shelf display piece that costs so darn much! > > > > Thanks! Ben > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65721	From: benperryjr	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...

I didn't know that. Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi Ben, > > I thought it was common knowledge that Lionel locomotives are only for two types of people: (1) repairmen or (2) those wanting display pieces. > > BG1 > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@> wrote: > > > > Sharing my layout with some out of town guests yesterday, my wife noticed that my Big Boy locomotive slowed at spots on the layout. This had never happened before, so I thought it strange. I figured perhaps it had to do with dips in the track...not so. > > > > So I looked closer at the loco and noticed that the "eye" for the wireless tether on the loco end was a bit out of its shrink tube sleeve. I pushed it back in to logical position and hoped for the best. > > > > Still running slowly- almost crawling- sometimes stopping- around the layout, even with the 30B throttle at 100. > > > > I see no broken wires, wheels do not look very dirty at all. > > > > Any ideas on what to look for? I will delve into it with some direction if any is offered, but I feel more confident tearing into an original AF engine! These new guys have such intricate electronics...but I need to get it running reliably again. I can't have a shelf display piece that costs so darn much! > > > > Thanks! Ben > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65722	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...

I've given Big "L" more than a "fair shake". I checked my inventory and I currently have 66 Big "L" items so I think I have enough data points to give an opinion. You can check the archives and see that every loco I've bought from Big "L" had to be worked on, most of them before they even got placed on the track. Pieces fall off right out of the box, smoke production is non-existant, rubber tires swell just sitting on the shelf, chug units squeak like a mouse, sounds are inconsistent, changing the battery in the tenders takes four hands, linkage pins fall off after less than 10 feet of travel, Docksider coupler springs that cause derailments unless replaced with a weaker spring, on and on. And what about the rolling stock with trucks that fall apart before they reach the customer? Did I mention the coupler weights that fall off in the box? So many problems I can't list them all. Check the old group polls and you'll see that the failure rate reported by our group members is very high, so I'm not the only one with these problems. Most of the Big "L" products do look nice sitting on the shelf though, but that's not what I bought them for. I'm building my layout and like to operate trains right now, not repair them. Once the layout is complete and I can devote that time to other things I'll probably move on to repairing 60 year old AF rather than repairing brand new than Big "L'. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > > If not for Lionel I'd be out of this hobby and I suspect a good number of others would be too or at least have found less interest in it by now. Same too for DCC for that matter because I happen to like owning, running, and repairing/maintaining conventional Gilbert classics, as much as I do TMCC/Legacy and DCC units. Add converting some to the other in that. For example, I'm running in a show this weekend and bet your bottom dollar there will be Lionel Flyer in my cases - - the Big Boy included. It's a gas to run and attracts a crowd -- to S. Then too there'll probably be a 312 or 4713 in there and a TMCC converted AM Northern. Sure my early Mikados had some issues, but four of them later and some Pacific with heavyweight sets (the Blue Comet is a beauty) and I'm a happy camper - - now running Legacy. If you haven't tried something enough to give a fair shake, don't call those who have foolish. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65723	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...

BG1, that is a lousy track record! I guess I have been mostly lucky with my Flyonel stuff. My Northern sound unit sure was squeaky. Doug Peck fixed it for me, but like with the BB, I still believe that when we pay for new and RTR we ought to get new and RTR, not have to either DIY or send to repair. My C&A set though is a beauty and a joy. The detailing and workmanship are excellent on the engine and passenger cars. Thing runs like a sewing machine. My 1990¹s UP set worked OK out of the box. In MY experience, which is not exactly like yours, I would say that Flyonel is mostly a crap shoot: So far, I have beaten the house more than other way Œround. I have never had a problem with SHS engines or rolling stock, except once when a car was damaged in shipment. That was the fault of UPS not SHS. Roy From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 00:01:52 +0000 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy Woes... I've given Big "L" more than a "fair shake". I checked my inventory and I currently have 66 Big "L" items so I think I have enough data points to give an opinion. You can check the archives and see that every loco I've bought from Big "L" had to be worked on, most of them before they even got placed on the track. Pieces fall off right out of the box, smoke production is non-existant, rubber tires swell just sitting on the shelf, chug units squeak like a mouse, sounds are inconsistent, changing the battery in the tenders takes four hands, linkage pins fall off after less than 10 feet of travel, Docksider coupler springs that cause derailments unless replaced with a weaker spring, on and on. And what about the rolling stock with trucks that fall apart before they reach the customer? Did I mention the coupler weights that fall off in the box? So many problems I can't list them all. Check the old group polls and you'll see that the failure rate reported by our group members is very high, so I'm not the only one with these problems. Most of the Big "L" products do look nice sitting on the shelf though, but that's not what I bought them for. I'm building my layout and like to operate trains right now, not repair them. Once the layout is complete and I can devote that time to other things I'll probably move on to repairing 60 year old AF rather than repairing brand new than Big "L'. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > > If not for Lionel I'd be out of this hobby and I suspect a good number of others would be too or at least have found less interest in it by now. Same too for DCC for that matter because I happen to like owning, running, and repairing/maintaining conventional Gilbert classics, as much as I do TMCC/Legacy and DCC units. Add converting some to the other in that. For example, I'm running in a show this weekend and bet your bottom dollar there will be Lionel Flyer in my cases - - the Big Boy included. It's a gas to run and attracts a crowd -- to S. Then too there'll probably be a 312 or 4713 in there and a TMCC converted AM Northern. Sure my early Mikados had some issues, but four of them later and some Pacific with heavyweight sets (the Blue Comet is a beauty) and I'm a happy camper - - now running Legacy. If you haven't tried something enough to give a fair shake, don't call those who have foolish. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65724	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...

Dave, You forgot the most important blunder by Lionel for AF of all time was the air hoses for the track gang repro. You ad lib your repair, me? I gave the big L 12 bucks for the two pieces of string, so I think the chairman of the company had a shrimp cocktail appetizer for his lunch on my dime or dimes. Just kidding about the track gang bit. WOW, you have been through allot with the Big L. Remember for now on, “Just say No to the Big L”. Come on you can do it. Seriously, I am sorry to read this about the things you got from them. Mike From: bull_gator_1 Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 8:01 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy Woes... I've given Big "L" more than a "fair shake". I checked my inventory and I currently have 66 Big "L" items so I think I have enough data points to give an opinion. You can check the archives and see that every loco I've bought from Big "L" had to be worked on, most of them before they even got placed on the track. Pieces fall off right out of the box, smoke production is non-existant, rubber tires swell just sitting on the shelf, chug units squeak like a mouse, sounds are inconsistent, changing the battery in the tenders takes four hands, linkage pins fall off after less than 10 feet of travel, Docksider coupler springs that cause derailments unless replaced with a weaker spring, on and on. And what about the rolling stock with trucks that fall apart before they reach the customer? Did I mention the coupler weights that fall off in the box? So many problems I can't list them all. Check the old group polls and you'll see that the failure rate reported by our group members is very high, so I'm not the only one with these problems. Most of the Big "L" products do look nice sitting on the shelf though, but that's not what I bought them for. I'm building my layout and like to operate trains right now, not repair them. Once the layout is complete and I can devote that time to other things I'll probably move on to repairing 60 year old AF rather than repairing brand new than Big "L'. BG1 --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > > If not for Lionel I'd be out of this hobby and I suspect a good number of others would be too or at least have found less interest in it by now. Same too for DCC for that matter because I happen to like owning, running, and repairing/maintaining conventional Gilbert classics, as much as I do TMCC/Legacy and DCC units. Add converting some to the other in that. For example, I'm running in a show this weekend and bet your bottom dollar there will be Lionel Flyer in my cases - - the Big Boy included. It's a gas to run and attracts a crowd -- to S. Then too there'll probably be a 312 or 4713 in there and a TMCC converted AM Northern. Sure my early Mikados had some issues, but four of them later and some Pacific with heavyweight sets (the Blue Comet is a beauty) and I'm a happy camper - - now running Legacy. If you haven't tried something enough to give a fair shake, don't call those who have foolish. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65725	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Big Boy Woes...

Thank you Bob, as I am sending this to the S list. Bob, your in St. Louis, I think? Mike From: drakeb22310 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:43 AM To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [toytrains] Big Boy Woes... Mike, A guy brought one over to me with the same symptoms - he called it sluggish. I did a factory reset and it worked fine after that. Bob Drake 43418 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65726	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: S Helper Smoke Units

Hi all: If we are going to have reports of smoking capabilities of engines, please advise whether you run AC, DC or DCC since this is the S-Trains list and many run AC high rail rather than DC. Undoubtedly some will do better with one than the other, especially if the smoke units have been modified. regards, Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 8/25/2011 22:20, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > > > > The S Helper engines smoke great with Crestwood Smoke fluid,, they do > not do well with Bob Board’s fluid. > > I have two S Helper engines and they are really with the Crestwood, > which can be ordered at Walter’s or Google Crestwood Smoke Fluid for > other suppliers. > > SHS might sell it too. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65727	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...

Hi Mike, You're right - I forgot about that one. Maybe I should write a book about all my Big "L" misadventures. It might surpass War & Peace in sheer volume - lol. David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Dave, > > You forgot the most important blunder by Lionel for AF of all time was the air hoses for the track gang repro. > > You ad lib your repair, me? I gave the big L 12 bucks for the two pieces of string, so I think the chairman of the company had a shrimp cocktail appetizer for his lunch on my dime or dimes. > > Just kidding about the track gang bit. > > WOW, you have been through allot with the Big L. > > Remember for now on, “Just say No to the Big L”. > > Come on you can do it. > > Seriously, I am sorry to read this about the things you got from them. > > Mike > > From: bull_gator_1 > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 8:01 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy Woes... > > > I've given Big "L" more than a "fair shake". I checked my inventory and I currently have 66 Big "L" items so I think I have enough data points to give an opinion. You can check the archives and see that every loco I've bought from Big "L" had to be worked on, most of them before they even got placed on the track. Pieces fall off right out of the box, smoke production is non-existant, rubber tires swell just sitting on the shelf, chug units squeak like a mouse, sounds are inconsistent, changing the battery in the tenders takes four hands, linkage pins fall off after less than 10 feet of travel, Docksider coupler springs that cause derailments unless replaced with a weaker spring, on and on. And what about the rolling stock with trucks that fall apart before they reach the customer? Did I mention the coupler weights that fall off in the box? So many problems I can't list them all. > > Check the old group polls and you'll see that the failure rate reported by our group members is very high, so I'm not the only one with these problems. > > Most of the Big "L" products do look nice sitting on the shelf though, but that's not what I bought them for. I'm building my layout and like to operate trains right now, not repair them. Once the layout is complete and I can devote that time to other things I'll probably move on to repairing 60 year old AF rather than repairing brand new than Big "L'. > > BG1 > > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@> wrote: > > > > If not for Lionel I'd be out of this hobby and I suspect a good number of others would be too or at least have found less interest in it by now. Same too for DCC for that matter because I happen to like owning, running, and repairing/maintaining conventional Gilbert classics, as much as I do TMCC/Legacy and DCC units. Add converting some to the other in that. For example, I'm running in a show this weekend and bet your bottom dollar there will be Lionel Flyer in my cases - - the Big Boy included. It's a gas to run and attracts a crowd -- to S. Then too there'll probably be a 312 or 4713 in there and a TMCC converted AM Northern. Sure my early Mikados had some issues, but four of them later and some Pacific with heavyweight sets (the Blue Comet is a beauty) and I'm a happy camper - - now running Legacy. If you haven't tried something enough to give a fair shake, don't call those who have foolish. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65728	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Fred Jester

I regret being the bearer of bad news, but Fred Jester passed away Wednesday after his long battle with cancer. His services will be on Monday, in Chester, PA. Details should be in the Delaware County Daily Times; Chester, PA....probably today. RIP, Freddie.......... Doug Peck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65729	From: Bill Drake	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Big Boy Woes...

Hi Mike -   Mix up - Bill Drake is here in St. Louis - where is Bob Drake? The Bob Drake I knew of was in Grants Pass, Oregon.   Did you do any special prep for the hurricane?   St. Louis Bill Drake   From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:01 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [toytrains] Big Boy Woes...   Thank you Bob, as I am sending this to the S list. Bob, your in St. Louis, I think? Mike From: drakeb22310 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:43 AM To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [toytrains] Big Boy Woes... Mike, A guy brought one over to me with the same symptoms - he called it sluggish. I did a factory reset and it worked fine after that. Bob Drake 43418 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65730	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: Fred Jester

Aaaaw crap. He was a good friend of mine. In a message dated 8/26/2011 8:43:10 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, doug@... writes: I regret being the bearer of bad news, but Fred Jester passed away Wednesday after his long battle with cancer. His services will be on Monday, in Chester, PA. Details should be in the Delaware County Daily Times; Chester, PA....probably today. RIP, Freddie.......... Doug Peck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65731	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: [toytrains] Big Boy Woes...

Bill, Yes, a mix up, as this Bob Drake was on the TCA list. seems he knows of the engine problem. I knew there was a Mr. B. Drake in St. Louis, however, but got Bill and Bob mixed up. Twin Sons of Different Mothers maybe? Oh wait, that been done by Fogelberg and Weisberg. Thanks, as no, not really, we got all the food we need, got everything off the deck and just have to see what happens. Hopefully things will be okay, but the coast is where the worst will be and that area will have a lot of damage, hopefully no one will die. Mike Marmer From: Bill Drake Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 11:35 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [toytrains] Big Boy Woes... Hi Mike - Mix up - Bill Drake is here in St. Louis - where is Bob Drake? The Bob Drake I knew of was in Grants Pass, Oregon. Did you do any special prep for the hurricane? St. Louis Bill Drake From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com Cc: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:01 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [toytrains] Big Boy Woes... Thank you Bob, as I am sending this to the S list. Bob, your in St. Louis, I think? Mike From: drakeb22310 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:43 AM To: mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [toytrains] Big Boy Woes... Mike, A guy brought one over to me with the same symptoms - he called it sluggish. I did a factory reset and it worked fine after that. Bob Drake 43418 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65732	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...

David, excellent idea, why you would do the late night talk show, Sunday talk show circuit. You would be at Border’s across the country doing book signing, oh wait, forget that one, they are closing up. Well how about Barnes and Noble before they go out. That book might be thicker and heavier than the Warren Report. How about book signings at all Gator football games too? Mike From: bull_gator_1 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 8:53 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy Woes... Hi Mike, You're right - I forgot about that one. Maybe I should write a book about all my Big "L" misadventures. It might surpass War & Peace in sheer volume - lol. David --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Dave, > > You forgot the most important blunder by Lionel for AF of all time was the air hoses for the track gang repro. > > You ad lib your repair, me? I gave the big L 12 bucks for the two pieces of string, so I think the chairman of the company had a shrimp cocktail appetizer for his lunch on my dime or dimes. > > Just kidding about the track gang bit. > > WOW, you have been through allot with the Big L. > > Remember for now on, “Just say No to the Big L”. > > Come on you can do it. > > Seriously, I am sorry to read this about the things you got from them. > > Mike > > From: bull_gator_1 > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 8:01 PM > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy Woes... > > > I've given Big "L" more than a "fair shake". I checked my inventory and I currently have 66 Big "L" items so I think I have enough data points to give an opinion. You can check the archives and see that every loco I've bought from Big "L" had to be worked on, most of them before they even got placed on the track. Pieces fall off right out of the box, smoke production is non-existant, rubber tires swell just sitting on the shelf, chug units squeak like a mouse, sounds are inconsistent, changing the battery in the tenders takes four hands, linkage pins fall off after less than 10 feet of travel, Docksider coupler springs that cause derailments unless replaced with a weaker spring, on and on. And what about the rolling stock with trucks that fall apart before they reach the customer? Did I mention the coupler weights that fall off in the box? So many problems I can't list them all. > > Check the old group polls and you'll see that the failure rate reported by our group members is very high, so I'm not the only one with these problems. > > Most of the Big "L" products do look nice sitting on the shelf though, but that's not what I bought them for. I'm building my layout and like to operate trains right now, not repair them. Once the layout is complete and I can devote that time to other things I'll probably move on to repairing 60 year old AF rather than repairing brand new than Big "L'. > > BG1 > > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@> wrote: > > > > If not for Lionel I'd be out of this hobby and I suspect a good number of others would be too or at least have found less interest in it by now. Same too for DCC for that matter because I happen to like owning, running, and repairing/maintaining conventional Gilbert classics, as much as I do TMCC/Legacy and DCC units. Add converting some to the other in that. For example, I'm running in a show this weekend and bet your bottom dollar there will be Lionel Flyer in my cases - - the Big Boy included. It's a gas to run and attracts a crowd -- to S. Then too there'll probably be a 312 or 4713 in there and a TMCC converted AM Northern. Sure my early Mikados had some issues, but four of them later and some Pacific with heavyweight sets (the Blue Comet is a beauty) and I'm a happy camper - - now running Legacy. If you haven't tried something enough to give a fair shake, don't call those who have foolish. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65733	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: Fred Jester

Very sad to read this, he will be missed. Hope those who knew him will let the good memories of him out do the sad ones now. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65734	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: S Helper Smoke Units

Smoke units not modified, I run DCC. Smokes well on Crest Smoke Fluid, really puffs now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT9QVcn_w00 A video with the SHS engine and it is smoking. I was running the engine allot in doing retakes, as I do not think I refreshed the smoke unit. I am very happy with how it smokes now. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65735	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: CBC Radio Coin

Linda sent me these message below from work, as she listens to the CBC in Canada, for the type of music we follow. CBCRadio2 Whoa! Check out the, er, newly minted @canadianmint coin marking the 75th anniversary of CBC/Radio-Canada! #cbc75th http://ow.ly/6dNET But wait, what is the RR connection???? The CBC came about from the Canadian National Railways Radio Department. See below. Mike Marmer CNR Radio or CN Radio[2] (officially the Canadian National Railways Radio Department)[3] was the first national radio network in North America.[4] It was developed, owned and operated by the Canadian National Railway between 1923 and 1932 to provide en route entertainment and information for its train passengers. As broadcasts could be received by anyone living in the coverage area of station transmitters, the network provided radio programming to Canadians from the Pacific coast (at Vancouver) to the Atlantic coast (at Halifax). During its nine-year existence, CNR Radio provided music, sports, information and drama programming to Canadians. Programming was produced in English, French and occasionally in some First Nations languages, and distributed nationwide through the railway's own telegraph lines and through rented airtime on other private radio stations. However, political and competitive pressure forced CNR Radio to close, with many of its assets and personnel migrating to a new government-operated agency, the Canadian Radio Broadcasting Commission (CRBC), which ultimately led to the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65736	From: George Cohn	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: Fred Jester

On 8/26/2011 9:26 AM, boss31@... wrote: > Aaaaw crap. He was a good friend of mine. I believe Fred sold on eBay under the name of gilbertguru. I had bought quite a few parts from him over the years. It sad, but I expect most of us in the over 65 category will be going to that great rail yard in the sky sooner rather than later. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65737	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Dept 56 Uptown Motors

Hi All, Does anyone else have the Dept. 56 Uptown Motors Ford Dealership for their layout? I took mine out of the box to install on the layout and the AC adapter is not in the box. I do have a hand full of miscellaneous adapters sitting in yet another box but I'm not sure which, if any, of those is for the dealership. If anyone has one would you please take a look at the adapter and let me know the rating? Is it AC or DC? Output voltage = ? Current = ? Thanks, David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65738	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...

Mike, Maybe I could just go on the road and do a Gallagher type show where I smash various Big "L" items with a huge mallot? Or just dump the pieces out of a new unopened box - who needs a mallot?? Gators kick-off next Saturday with a new head coach and OC - that should be interesting. Hopefully we are better than our #23 ranking indicates. David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > David, > > excellent idea, why you would do the late night talk show, Sunday talk show circuit. > > You would be at Border’s across the country doing book signing, oh wait, forget that one, they are closing up. > > Well how about Barnes and Noble before they go out. > > That book might be thicker and heavier than the Warren Report. > > How about book signings at all Gator football games too? > > Mike > > From: bull_gator_1 > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 8:53 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy Woes... > > > Hi Mike, > > You're right - I forgot about that one. Maybe I should write a book about all my Big "L" misadventures. It might surpass War & Peace in sheer volume - lol. > > David > > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@> wrote: > > > > Dave, > > > > You forgot the most important blunder by Lionel for AF of all time was the air hoses for the track gang repro. > > > > You ad lib your repair, me? I gave the big L 12 bucks for the two pieces of string, so I think the chairman of the company had a shrimp cocktail appetizer for his lunch on my dime or dimes. > > > > Just kidding about the track gang bit. > > > > WOW, you have been through allot with the Big L. > > > > Remember for now on, “Just say No to the Big L”. > > > > Come on you can do it. > > > > Seriously, I am sorry to read this about the things you got from them. > > > > Mike > > > > From: bull_gator_1 > > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 8:01 PM > > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy Woes... > > > > > > I've given Big "L" more than a "fair shake". I checked my inventory and I currently have 66 Big "L" items so I think I have enough data points to give an opinion. You can check the archives and see that every loco I've bought from Big "L" had to be worked on, most of them before they even got placed on the track. Pieces fall off right out of the box, smoke production is non-existant, rubber tires swell just sitting on the shelf, chug units squeak like a mouse, sounds are inconsistent, changing the battery in the tenders takes four hands, linkage pins fall off after less than 10 feet of travel, Docksider coupler springs that cause derailments unless replaced with a weaker spring, on and on. And what about the rolling stock with trucks that fall apart before they reach the customer? Did I mention the coupler weights that fall off in the box? So many problems I can't list them all. > > > > Check the old group polls and you'll see that the failure rate reported by our group members is very high, so I'm not the only one with these problems. > > > > Most of the Big "L" products do look nice sitting on the shelf though, but that's not what I bought them for. I'm building my layout and like to operate trains right now, not repair them. Once the layout is complete and I can devote that time to other things I'll probably move on to repairing 60 year old AF rather than repairing brand new than Big "L'. > > > > BG1 > > > > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@> wrote: > > > > > > If not for Lionel I'd be out of this hobby and I suspect a good number of others would be too or at least have found less interest in it by now. Same too for DCC for that matter because I happen to like owning, running, and repairing/maintaining conventional Gilbert classics, as much as I do TMCC/Legacy and DCC units. Add converting some to the other in that. For example, I'm running in a show this weekend and bet your bottom dollar there will be Lionel Flyer in my cases - - the Big Boy included. It's a gas to run and attracts a crowd -- to S. Then too there'll probably be a 312 or 4713 in there and a TMCC converted AM Northern. Sure my early Mikados had some issues, but four of them later and some Pacific with heavyweight sets (the Blue Comet is a beauty) and I'm a happy camper - - now running Legacy. If you haven't tried something enough to give a fair shake, don't call those who have foolish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65739	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Woes...

David, Ahh, yes, Gallagher, you can either get smash with a watermelon or a AF Big Boy. MD has helmets with Terrapin shells pictures on them. Mean and tough, wont help. LOL Go Gators. you should make a Gator car like I did for MD. Easy to do. Mike From: bull_gator_1 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 4:08 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy Woes... Mike, Maybe I could just go on the road and do a Gallagher type show where I smash various Big "L" items with a huge mallot? Or just dump the pieces out of a new unopened box - who needs a mallot?? Gators kick-off next Saturday with a new head coach and OC - that should be interesting. Hopefully we are better than our #23 ranking indicates. David --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > David, > > excellent idea, why you would do the late night talk show, Sunday talk show circuit. > > You would be at Border’s across the country doing book signing, oh wait, forget that one, they are closing up. > > Well how about Barnes and Noble before they go out. > > That book might be thicker and heavier than the Warren Report. > > How about book signings at all Gator football games too? > > Mike > > From: bull_gator_1 > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 8:53 AM > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy Woes... > > > Hi Mike, > > You're right - I forgot about that one. Maybe I should write a book about all my Big "L" misadventures. It might surpass War & Peace in sheer volume - lol. > > David > > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@> wrote: > > > > Dave, > > > > You forgot the most important blunder by Lionel for AF of all time was the air hoses for the track gang repro. > > > > You ad lib your repair, me? I gave the big L 12 bucks for the two pieces of string, so I think the chairman of the company had a shrimp cocktail appetizer for his lunch on my dime or dimes. > > > > Just kidding about the track gang bit. > > > > WOW, you have been through allot with the Big L. > > > > Remember for now on, “Just say No to the Big L”. > > > > Come on you can do it. > > > > Seriously, I am sorry to read this about the things you got from them. > > > > Mike > > > > From: bull_gator_1 > > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 8:01 PM > > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Big Boy Woes... > > > > > > I've given Big "L" more than a "fair shake". I checked my inventory and I currently have 66 Big "L" items so I think I have enough data points to give an opinion. You can check the archives and see that every loco I've bought from Big "L" had to be worked on, most of them before they even got placed on the track. Pieces fall off right out of the box, smoke production is non-existant, rubber tires swell just sitting on the shelf, chug units squeak like a mouse, sounds are inconsistent, changing the battery in the tenders takes four hands, linkage pins fall off after less than 10 feet of travel, Docksider coupler springs that cause derailments unless replaced with a weaker spring, on and on. And what about the rolling stock with trucks that fall apart before they reach the customer? Did I mention the coupler weights that fall off in the box? So many problems I can't list them all. > > > > Check the old group polls and you'll see that the failure rate reported by our group members is very high, so I'm not the only one with these problems. > > > > Most of the Big "L" products do look nice sitting on the shelf though, but that's not what I bought them for. I'm building my layout and like to operate trains right now, not repair them. Once the layout is complete and I can devote that time to other things I'll probably move on to repairing 60 year old AF rather than repairing brand new than Big "L'. > > > > BG1 > > > > --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@> wrote: > > > > > > If not for Lionel I'd be out of this hobby and I suspect a good number of others would be too or at least have found less interest in it by now. Same too for DCC for that matter because I happen to like owning, running, and repairing/maintaining conventional Gilbert classics, as much as I do TMCC/Legacy and DCC units. Add converting some to the other in that. For example, I'm running in a show this weekend and bet your bottom dollar there will be Lionel Flyer in my cases - - the Big Boy included. It's a gas to run and attracts a crowd -- to S. Then too there'll probably be a 312 or 4713 in there and a TMCC converted AM Northern. Sure my early Mikados had some issues, but four of them later and some Pacific with heavyweight sets (the Blue Comet is a beauty) and I'm a happy camper - - now running Legacy. If you haven't tried something enough to give a fair shake, don't call those who have foolish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65740	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: Fred Jester

Fred was not "gilbertguru" on EBAY. Another individual sold Fred's parts under that name. As far as I know, Fred did not sell on EBAY himself. Also, Fred was only 58.......far too young to leav us! Doug Peck --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: > > I believe Fred sold on eBay under the name of gilbertguru. > > I had bought quite a few parts from him over the years. > > It sad, but I expect most of us in the over 65 category will be going to > that great rail yard in the sky sooner rather than later. > > George Cohn >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65741	From: Ken Christiansen	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy question

Slows in places? Are those slow spots in nearly same place each time the engine slows? Dirty track? Dirty pick up? Degrading conductivity between rail sections? Ken Christiansen Broker Associate Prudential Crosby Starck REALTORS 551 N Mulford Rd. Rockford, IL 6107 Mobile 815-218-3957 Do you know anyone wanting to buy or sell Real Estate? Your referral is always appreciated. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65742	From: Roy Inman	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: World's most dangerous market.

Check out this tight prototype layout. www.facebook.com/videl/php?v=18330641830184.webloc Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65743	From: Larry Moore	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Craggy Mountain Lines

To the group: Here in Western North Carolina, in the little town of Woodfin, adjacent to Asheville, another bit of railroad nostalgia is taking shape. A local man and a group of volunteers, working strickly on donations and grants, are restoring a few pieces of rolling stock, with plans for a three mile stretch of track, and a depot. Named the Craggy Mountain Lines, although not up and running yet, they are making progress to make this project a reality. If traveling through the area , drive by and see the restored pieces and the ones being restored. If you are so inclined, I am sure they would welcome any donations, to bring this project to an operable stage with short rides, along the French Broad River. Attached you will find a link to a you tube video, showing progress to date. Hope you enjoy the pictures. Thanks, Larry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHpZByGoCdE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65744	From: sgaugian	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: Fred Jester

Doug, That is horrible news. Another standard bearer for S passes away. Fred's parts at York have always been part of what I look forward to and made any day there special. He will be sorely missed.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65745	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: Fred Jester

Fred was a good guy. But,many times he was away from his tables and out for a smoke. The last time I saw him, he barely responded to me, and usually, we'd have a little joke that we'd exchange when we saw each other. He could barely talk. Lung cancer doesn't just hit the lungs, It travels up the brain stem and affects speech. I knew that it was just a matter of time, since the same thing happened to my dad. Very sad to not see him anymore. Steve Please note: message attached From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fred Jester Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 12:26:57 -0400 (EDT) ____________________________________________________________ 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4e583e5f3d7e89c838cst05duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65746	From: adrian.phillips52	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Ideas for developments for S Scale in New Zealand

Hi I am keen to get feedback on development of NZR rolling stock based upon our current offerings. This is a question of what modllers might like us to explore for future kits, recent developments for CB1, CB2's UC1's and UC3's have been well recieved and we wish to look at other needs for the New Zealand S Scale Modeller. The question of future S Scale NZ development came when I was asked to write a few words for the NZ Model railway Guild on the future for Phillips Models and the South Dock Kit range. I have been in discussion with modellers and model makers on this very subject and whilst i have a view(see next months Journal) please give me your ideas as well. If your not familiar with what we produce go to http://www.phillipsmodels.co.nz or email me personally. We want to be responsive to modellers desires and need feedback, thanks all.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65747	From: Doug Peck	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Black Gunk on your track

We've all read different explanations of all that black crud that seems to continually grow on the rails. Here's an analytical report on it that appeared on the S-Scale list today. Thought it was worth cross-posting here...... > I pulled this article from Model Railroad Hobbyist Magazine, an e-zine. > Here's a rather interesting look at just what that dirt is... John > Black Gunk > After discussing the track fouling problem with a friend, he sent me a > piece of heavily used, poorly cleaned silver nickel track which I then > sent to the > analytical lab for an analysis of the black crud that was presumed to be > from using plastic wheels. The report came back today. > Drum roll please... > It has nothing to do with plastic wheels... sort of. The black crud is > near 100% pure nickel oxide. Nickel (III) oxide to be specific. Saw the > spectrograph output proving it. It is the natural oxidation of the nickel > in the silver nickel plating on the track. Interestingly enough, it is > deposited in such a manner as to suggest it was formed during an > electrical arc. When viewed under extreme magnification it looks like > random dots rather than a continuous film. The metallurgist explained to > me it is likely microscopic irregularities on the tread of locomotive > wheels and track face and/or common dust on the track is causing momentary > loss of electrical contact resulting in nanosecond duration, nanometer > long electrical arcs which cause the nickel to oxidize far faster than > would naturally occur. One could never see this with the naked eye they > would be so small. He is only guessing based on observation of the > deposits but who am I to question his analysis? The oxide is also very > tightly bound to the track. This explains why a Brite Boy is effective while wet wiping is not. When asked about plastic wheels he postulates the plastic has nothing to do with it. Rather, metal wheels due to their harder surface are far more effective at wearing away the oxide. The wheels aren't responsible for the problem, they are the removers of oxide and plastic is just a very poor remover. Doug Peck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65748	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: S Gauge Crossing Gates

Does a nyone make an S gauge crossing gate/flasher that lowers completely and raises and lowers more realistically than the NJ International ones on Mike Marmer's layout?   Joe Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer ###################Authorized Lionel Service Center#################### ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@....###########.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65749	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Fred Jester

I have known about the seriousness of Fred's condition but out of respect for and the wishes of Fred and his wife Jody we were not revealing his condition. Fred was a great friend, and I am going to miss our dinners together at each York meet. Yes, AF parts dealers  are not so much as competitors, as we are friends. That is especially true of Fred, Doug Peck, and myself.   Fred's family suggests that memorial donations in Fred's honor be sent to Crozier Hospice, 1 Medical Center Boulevard, Upland, PA 19013.   As I understand it, Fred's daughter Amanda and her brother as well as Barry King will have his parts at the York preshow at the Reliance Fire Hall. However, they will not be at the TCA Show. So come early if you want to buy your parts from "Fred". Otherwise, Doug (Purple Hall) and I (Orange Hall) will both have our AF parts at the York TCA show. If nothing else, I plan to have a memorial book for Fred at my booth and I hope everyone comes by and signs it and writes a note to wife Jody, sister Sandy and husband Duke, and daughters Amanda and JoAnn . I also will take the book to the Flyer Nut (Gilbert Get Together) meeting.   Joe Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer ###################Authorized Lionel Service Center#################### ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@....###########.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65750	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Uptown Motors

David, I have the Uptown Motors too, and it is an AC 110 set-up. As far as I know, all Department 56 are AC. Mike Hi All, Does anyone else have the Dept. 56 Uptown Motors Ford Dealership for their layout? I took mine out of the box to install on the layout and the AC adapter is not in the box. I do have a hand full of miscellaneous adapters sitting in yet another box but I'm not sure which, if any, of those is for the dealership. If anyone has one would you please take a look at the adapter and let me know the rating? Is it AC or DC? Output voltage = ? Current = ? Thanks, David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65751	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Blank gunk on your track

Doug, excellent information! And it makes a lot of sense too. Thanks for sharing this with us. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65752	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Re: Black Gunk on your track

Thanks Doug, That is very interesting. I have been removing that stuff for years and reading about all manner of explanations for it. It is good to know. Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 8/27/2011 7:48 AM, Doug Peck wrote: > We've all read different explanations of all that black crud that seems to continually grow on the rails. Here's an analytical report on it that appeared on the S-Scale list today. Thought it was worth cross-posting here...... > >> I pulled this article from Model Railroad Hobbyist Magazine, an e-zine. >> Here's a rather interesting look at just what that dirt is... > John > >> Black Gunk >> After discussing the track fouling problem with a friend, he sent me a >> piece of heavily used, poorly cleaned silver nickel track which I then >> sent to the >> analytical lab for an analysis of the black crud that was presumed to be >> from using plastic wheels. The report came back today. >> Drum roll please... >> It has nothing to do with plastic wheels... sort of. The black crud is >> near 100% pure nickel oxide. Nickel (III) oxide to be specific. Saw the >> spectrograph output proving it. It is the natural oxidation of the nickel >> in the silver nickel plating on the track. Interestingly enough, it is >> deposited in such a manner as to suggest it was formed during an >> electrical arc. When viewed under extreme magnification it looks like >> random dots rather than a continuous film. The metallurgist explained to >> me it is likely microscopic irregularities on the tread of locomotive >> wheels and track face and/or common dust on the track is causing momentary >> loss of electrical contact resulting in nanosecond duration, nanometer >> long electrical arcs which cause the nickel to oxidize far faster than >> would naturally occur. One could never see this with the naked eye they >> would be so small. He is only guessing based on observation of the >> deposits but who am I to question his analysis? The oxide is also very >> tightly bound to the track. This explains why a Brite Boy is > effective while wet wiping is not. > When asked about plastic wheels he postulates the plastic has nothing to do > with it. Rather, metal wheels due to their harder surface are far more > effective at wearing away the oxide. The wheels aren't responsible for the > problem, they are the removers of oxide and plastic is just a very poor > remover. > > > Doug Peck > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65753	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Re: Bill Drake

Hi Bill, Please send me an email off site seccia@... � Thank You, Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Bill Drake <ee_train@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2010 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bill Drake   Hi Mike -   email is ee_train@...   looking forward to the news.   thanks for the effort   Bill --- On Wed, 8/4/10, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Bill Drake To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 2:35 PM   Bill Drake. I lost your email address due to a new computer. Could you email me as I have some news for you on your milk bottle. Thanks for letting me post this to get a hold of Bill. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65754	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Re: World's most dangerous market.

Hi Roy: Checked it out but couldn't get to page - not there, mistyped, etc. Is that the correct facebook address? tx Rance Velapoldi On 8/27/2011 04:57, Roy Inman wrote: > > Check out this tight prototype layout. > www.facebook.com/videl/php?v=18330641830184.webloc > Roy Inman > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65755	From: Thorin	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Banquet start time at Fall S-Fest in St Louis

Good Morning: Does anyone know when the banquet starts? I will be working the trade floor and then packing up. I am trying to discover if I have enough time to pack and attend the banquet. Thorin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65756	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Uptown Motors Adapter Info

Hi All, I ventured over to the Dept 56 Group and posted my question there. A nice gentleman got under his display and found the adapter for his Uptown Motor Dealership. He sent me the information and I found the adapter in my box of miscellaneous electrical stuff. The adapter information is: TECHNICS Direct Plug-In Class 2 Power Unit Model: TEAC-41-061100U Input: 120VAC 60Hz 10W Output: 6 VAC 1.1A MADE IN CHINA I'll be busy this weekend putting the dealership on my layout. I've mentioned before my layout is locked in time at April 17, 1964. Why a specific date? That's the day the Ford Mustang was introduced. So what better accessory for the layout than a Ford dealership with a red Mustang convertible displayed in the showroom on a rotating turntable. As some of you know I have a full scale red Mustang convertible produced on April 28, 1964 so I can image this is her sister on the turntable. It helps to have a vivid imagination when one of your hobbies is 1:1 scale and the other is 1:64 scale! Most of the tools used are non interchangable - lol. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65757	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Re: Fred Jester

Hi Doug, Thank you for posting the news about Fred.   I knew of his condition. One could only pray for his recovery.  Fred produced many essential parts for American Flyer including all the steam locomotive screws PA5447 Eccentric Crank, PA7421 Side Rod, PA9288 Shoulder, PA10598 Linkage Screws. He also made the PA10194 Smoke in Tender Caps and countless other American Flyer reproduction parts. I haven't set up at York since 2005 and I haven't seen Fred since 2006. I have been to his house many times to buy parts.  I would look at all the parts he had and I would point out a part to him and say you never going to sell all of that part.  Fred would say to me "I never want to run out".  He was the kind of person who would extend himself to make these items even if it would cost him money. He was a great asset to American Flyer and "S" Gauge. God Bless You Fred. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Doug Peck <doug@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Fred Jester   I regret being the bearer of bad news, but Fred Jester passed away Wednesday after his long battle with cancer. His services will be on Monday, in Chester, PA. Details should be in the Delaware County Daily Times; Chester, PA....probably today. RIP, Freddie.......... Doug Peck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65758	From: Dale Smith	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Re: Black Gunk on your track

This is great information to have, something backed up by scientific analysis. What is also interesting is how some on the S-scale list seemed to dispute the results of the writer's testing. Some people may be very committed to their own ideas concerning this problem. Dale On 8/27/2011 4:48 AM, Doug Peck wrote: > > We've all read different explanations of all that black crud that > seems to continually grow on the rails. Here's an analytical report on > it that appeared on the S-Scale list today. Thought it was worth > cross-posting here...... > > > I pulled this article from Model Railroad Hobbyist Magazine, an e-zine. > > Here's a rather interesting look at just what that dirt is... > John > > > Black Gunk > > > After discussing the track fouling problem with a friend, he sent me a > > piece of heavily used, poorly cleaned silver nickel track which I then > > sent to the > > analytical lab for an analysis of the black crud that was presumed > to be > > from using plastic wheels. The report came back today. > > Drum roll please... > > It has nothing to do with plastic wheels... sort of. The black crud is > > near 100% pure nickel oxide. Nickel (III) oxide to be specific. Saw the > > spectrograph output proving it. It is the natural oxidation of the > nickel > > in the silver nickel plating on the track. Interestingly enough, it is > > deposited in such a manner as to suggest it was formed during an > > electrical arc. When viewed under extreme magnification it looks like > > random dots rather than a continuous film. The metallurgist > explained to > > me it is likely microscopic irregularities on the tread of locomotive > > wheels and track face and/or common dust on the track is causing > momentary > > loss of electrical contact resulting in nanosecond duration, nanometer > > long electrical arcs which cause the nickel to oxidize far faster than > > would naturally occur. One could never see this with the naked eye they > > would be so small. He is only guessing based on observation of the > > deposits but who am I to question his analysis? The oxide is also very > > tightly bound to the track. This explains why a Brite Boy is > effective while wet wiping is not. > When asked about plastic wheels he postulates the plastic has nothing > to do > with it. Rather, metal wheels due to their harder surface are far more > effective at wearing away the oxide. The wheels aren't responsible for > the > problem, they are the removers of oxide and plastic is just a very poor > remover. > > Doug Peck > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65759	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Re: Black Gunk on your track

All, Yes, this is great information, but what nobody has said yet is that UNDERSTANDING this information may help to reduce the problem. While it would be difficult (actually impossible) to eliminate all sparking between the wheels and the tracks (which is the cause of the oxide), one should be able to reduce it considerably by placing an appropriately sized resistor-capacitor "snubber" network across the wheel contacts. All someone needs to do now is take some measurements and compute the values of the network (which is not as difficult as it sounds). Jerry F. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale Smith Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 12:16 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Black Gunk on your track This is great information to have, something backed up by scientific analysis. What is also interesting is how some on the S-scale list seemed to dispute the results of the writer's testing. Some people may be very committed to their own ideas concerning this problem. Dale On 8/27/2011 4:48 AM, Doug Peck wrote: > > We've all read different explanations of all that black crud that > seems to continually grow on the rails. Here's an analytical report on > it that appeared on the S-Scale list today. Thought it was worth > cross-posting here...... > > > I pulled this article from Model Railroad Hobbyist Magazine, an e-zine. > > Here's a rather interesting look at just what that dirt is... > John > > > Black Gunk > > > After discussing the track fouling problem with a friend, he sent me a > > piece of heavily used, poorly cleaned silver nickel track which I then > > sent to the > > analytical lab for an analysis of the black crud that was presumed > to be > > from using plastic wheels. The report came back today. > > Drum roll please... > > It has nothing to do with plastic wheels... sort of. The black crud is > > near 100% pure nickel oxide. Nickel (III) oxide to be specific. Saw the > > spectrograph output proving it. It is the natural oxidation of the > nickel > > in the silver nickel plating on the track. Interestingly enough, it is > > deposited in such a manner as to suggest it was formed during an > > electrical arc. When viewed under extreme magnification it looks like > > random dots rather than a continuous film. The metallurgist > explained to > > me it is likely microscopic irregularities on the tread of locomotive > > wheels and track face and/or common dust on the track is causing > momentary > > loss of electrical contact resulting in nanosecond duration, nanometer > > long electrical arcs which cause the nickel to oxidize far faster than > > would naturally occur. One could never see this with the naked eye they > > would be so small. He is only guessing based on observation of the > > deposits but who am I to question his analysis? The oxide is also very > > tightly bound to the track. This explains why a Brite Boy is > effective while wet wiping is not. > When asked about plastic wheels he postulates the plastic has nothing > to do > with it. Rather, metal wheels due to their harder surface are far more > effective at wearing away the oxide. The wheels aren't responsible for > the > problem, they are the removers of oxide and plastic is just a very poor > remover. > > Doug Peck > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65760	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Re: Black Gunk on your track

From: Alan Lambert � Lone Star Flyer Club � Arlington, Texas � As anyone knows Doug Peck is trying to help. You need to go to his website for more goodies to read. Thanks, Alan From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Black Gunk on your track   This is great information to have, something backed up by scientific analysis. What is also interesting is how some on the S-scale list seemed to dispute the results of the writer's testing. Some people may be very committed to their own ideas concerning this problem. Dale On 8/27/2011 4:48 AM, Doug Peck wrote: > > We've all read different explanations of all that black crud that > seems to continually grow on the rails. Here's an analytical report on > it that appeared on the S-Scale list today. Thought it was worth > cross-posting here...... > > > I pulled this article from Model Railroad Hobbyist Magazine, an e-zine. > > Here's a rather interesting look at just what that dirt is... > John > > > Black Gunk > > > After discussing the track fouling problem with a friend, he sent me a > > piece of heavily used, poorly cleaned silver nickel track which I then > > sent to the > > analytical lab for an analysis of the black crud that was presumed > to be > > from using plastic wheels. The report came back today. > > Drum roll please... > > It has nothing to do with plastic wheels... sort of. The black crud is > > near 100% pure nickel oxide. Nickel (III) oxide to be specific. Saw the > > spectrograph output proving it. It is the natural oxidation of the > nickel > > in the silver nickel plating on the track. Interestingly enough, it is > > deposited in such a manner as to suggest it was formed during an > > electrical arc. When viewed under extreme magnification it looks like > > random dots rather than a continuous film. The metallurgist > explained to > > me it is likely microscopic irregularities on the tread of locomotive > > wheels and track face and/or common dust on the track is causing > momentary > > loss of electrical contact resulting in nanosecond duration, nanometer > > long electrical arcs which cause the nickel to oxidize far faster than > > would naturally occur. One could never see this with the naked eye they > > would be so small. He is only guessing based on observation of the > > deposits but who am I to question his analysis? The oxide is also very > > tightly bound to the track. This explains why a Brite Boy is > effective while wet wiping is not. > When asked about plastic wheels he postulates the plastic has nothing > to do > with it. Rather, metal wheels due to their harder surface are far more > effective at wearing away the oxide. The wheels aren't responsible for > the > problem, they are the removers of oxide and plastic is just a very poor > remover. > > Doug Peck > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65761	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Re: Black Gunk on your track

Hi Dale: Who doesn't really agree or who disputes the analysis? Seems as though the idea of static electricity on the plastic wheels is not a disagreement, only another factor that should be considered as adding to the gunk on the track/wheels. regards, Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 8/27/2011 21:15, Dale Smith wrote: > > This is great information to have, something backed up by scientific > analysis. What is also interesting is how some on the S-scale list > seemed to dispute the results of the writer's testing. Some people may > be very committed to their own ideas concerning this problem. > > Dale > > On 8/27/2011 4:48 AM, Doug Peck wrote: > > > > We've all read different explanations of all that black crud that > > seems to continually grow on the rails. Here's an analytical report on > > it that appeared on the S-Scale list today. Thought it was worth > > cross-posting here...... > > > > > I pulled this article from Model Railroad Hobbyist Magazine, an > e-zine. > > > Here's a rather interesting look at just what that dirt is... > > John > > > > > Black Gunk > > > > > After discussing the track fouling problem with a friend, he sent me a > > > piece of heavily used, poorly cleaned silver nickel track which I then > > > sent to the > > > analytical lab for an analysis of the black crud that was presumed > > to be > > > from using plastic wheels. The report came back today. > > > Drum roll please... > > > It has nothing to do with plastic wheels... sort of. The black crud is > > > near 100% pure nickel oxide. Nickel (III) oxide to be specific. > Saw the > > > spectrograph output proving it. It is the natural oxidation of the > > nickel > > > in the silver nickel plating on the track. Interestingly enough, it is > > > deposited in such a manner as to suggest it was formed during an > > > electrical arc. When viewed under extreme magnification it looks like > > > random dots rather than a continuous film. The metallurgist > > explained to > > > me it is likely microscopic irregularities on the tread of locomotive > > > wheels and track face and/or common dust on the track is causing > > momentary > > > loss of electrical contact resulting in nanosecond duration, nanometer > > > long electrical arcs which cause the nickel to oxidize far faster than > > > would naturally occur. One could never see this with the naked eye > they > > > would be so small. He is only guessing based on observation of the > > > deposits but who am I to question his analysis? The oxide is also very > > > tightly bound to the track. This explains why a Brite Boy is > > effective while wet wiping is not. > > When asked about plastic wheels he postulates the plastic has nothing > > to do > > with it. Rather, metal wheels due to their harder surface are far more > > effective at wearing away the oxide. The wheels aren't responsible for > > the > > problem, they are the removers of oxide and plastic is just a very poor > > remover. > > > > Doug Peck > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65762	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Re: Black Gunk on your track

I believe that the answer is to use Wahl hair clipper oil on the track top - applied by hand lightly . It has been used for many years by those in the know and stops the micro, or major arcing that causes the problem. I have not tried it myself but I think if you search on this or other boards you will find the information on its use. Google Wahl clipper oil to find a nearby source. Alistair On Sun 28/08/11 5:26 AM , "Gerald Feldman" gfeldman2904@... sent: All, Yes, this is great information, but what nobody has said yet is that UNDERSTANDING this information may help to reduce the problem. While it would be difficult (actually impossible) to eliminate all sparking between the wheels and the tracks (which is the cause of the oxide), one should be able to reduce it considerably by placing an appropriately sized resistor-capacitor "snubber" network across the wheel contacts. All someone needs to do now is take some measurements and compute the values of the network (which is not as difficult as it sounds). Jerry F. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1] [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2]] On Behalf Of Dale Smith Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 12:16 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Black Gunk on your track This is great information to have, something backed up by scientific analysis. What is also interesting is how some on the S-scale list seemed to dispute the results of the writer's testing. Some people may be very committed to their own ideas concerning this problem. Dale On 8/27/2011 4:48 AM, Doug Peck wrote: > > We've all read different explanations of all that black crud that > seems to continually grow on the rails. Here's an analytical report on > it that appeared on the S-Scale list today. Thought it was worth > cross-posting here...... > > > I pulled this article from Model Railroad Hobbyist Magazine, an e-zine. > > Here's a rather interesting look at just what that dirt is... > John > > > Black Gunk > > > After discussing the track fouling problem with a friend, he sent me a > > piece of heavily used, poorly cleaned silver nickel track which I then > > sent to the > > analytical lab for an analysis of the black crud that was presumed > to be > > from using plastic wheels. The report came back today. > > Drum roll please... > > It has nothing to do with plastic wheels... sort of. The black crud is > > near 100% pure nickel oxide. Nickel (III) oxide to be specific. Saw the > > spectrograph output proving it. It is the natural oxidation of the > nickel > > in the silver nickel plating on the track. Interestingly enough, it is > > deposited in such a manner as to suggest it was formed during an > > electrical arc. When viewed under extreme magnification it looks like > > random dots rather than a continuous film. The metallurgist > explained to > > me it is likely microscopic irregularities on the tread of locomotive > > wheels and track face and/or common dust on the track is causing > momentary > > loss of electrical contact resulting in nanosecond duration, nanometer > > long electrical arcs which cause the nickel to oxidize far faster than > > would naturally occur. One could never see this with the naked eye they > > would be so small. He is only guessing based on observation of the > > deposits but who am I to question his analysis? The oxide is also very > > tightly bound to the track. This explains why a Brite Boy is > effective while wet wiping is not. > When asked about plastic wheels he postulates the plastic has nothing > to do > with it. Rather, metal wheels due to their harder surface are far more > effective at wearing away the oxide. The wheels aren't responsible for > the > problem, they are the removers of oxide and plastic is just a very poor > remover. > > Doug Peck > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [4] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=RE:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Black%20Gunk%20on%20your%20track [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvOHQ3OHYwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTc1OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTQ0NzczNjA-?act=reply&messageNum=65759 [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/65747;_ylc=X3oDMTM0czM1OHY1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTc1OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTQ0NzczNjAEdHBjSWQDNjU3NDc- [7] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [8] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15onafudl/M=791726.14818010.14570270.10835568/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1314484561/L=2d6bba6c-d0ec-11e0-93ce-2bfc54cae9ae/B=6PXrX0wNPRs-/J=1314477361444903/K=lHcQtonyIOG3WE0Qh9dGxQ/A=6475084/R=0/SIG=1304f1scb/*http://www.freecreditscore.com/dni/default.aspx?SiteVersionID=997&sc=671266&bcd=YGROUPS_Bad596 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 65764	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Re: Black Gunk on your track

Wahl oil might stop some of the oxidation on the tracks, but not the arcing that is the putative cause the oxidation. But hey, if it works and doesn’t create more problems than it cures (i.e., build up of oily residue, slipping of the wheels, etc.), then use it. Jerry F. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of alizoo@... Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 2:19 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Black Gunk on your track I believe that the answer is to use Wahl hair clipper oil on the track top - applied by hand lightly . It has been used for many years by those in the know and stops the micro, or major arcing that causes the problem. I have not tried it myself but I think if you search on this or other boards you will find the information on its use. Google Wahl clipper oil to find a nearby source. Alistair On Sun 28/08/11 5:26 AM , "Gerald Feldman" gfeldman2904@... <mailto:gfeldman2904%40pacbell.net> sent: All, Yes, this is great information, but what nobody has said yet is that UNDERSTANDING this information may help to reduce the problem. While it would be difficult (actually impossible) to eliminate all sparking between the wheels and the tracks (which is the cause of the oxide), one should be able to reduce it considerably by placing an appropriately sized resistor-capacitor "snubber" network across the wheel contacts. All someone needs to do now is take some measurements and compute the values of the network (which is not as difficult as it sounds). Jerry F. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [1] [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [2]] On Behalf Of Dale Smith Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 12:16 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [3] Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Black Gunk on your track This is great information to have, something backed up by scientific analysis. What is also interesting is how some on the S-scale list seemed to dispute the results of the writer's testing. Some people may be very committed to their own ideas concerning this problem. Dale On 8/27/2011 4:48 AM, Doug Peck wrote: > > We've all read different explanations of all that black crud that > seems to continually grow on the rails. Here's an analytical report on > it that appeared on the S-Scale list today. Thought it was worth > cross-posting here...... > > > I pulled this article from Model Railroad Hobbyist Magazine, an e-zine. > > Here's a rather interesting look at just what that dirt is... > John > > > Black Gunk > > > After discussing the track fouling problem with a friend, he sent me a > > piece of heavily used, poorly cleaned silver nickel track which I then > > sent to the > > analytical lab for an analysis of the black crud that was presumed > to be > > from using plastic wheels. The report came back today. > > Drum roll please... > > It has nothing to do with plastic wheels... sort of. The black crud is > > near 100% pure nickel oxide. Nickel (III) oxide to be specific. Saw the > > spectrograph output proving it. It is the natural oxidation of the > nickel > > in the silver nickel plating on the track. Interestingly enough, it is > > deposited in such a manner as to suggest it was formed during an > > electrical arc. When viewed under extreme magnification it looks like > > random dots rather than a continuous film. The metallurgist > explained to > > me it is likely microscopic irregularities on the tread of locomotive > > wheels and track face and/or common dust on the track is causing > momentary > > loss of electrical contact resulting in nanosecond duration, nanometer > > long electrical arcs which cause the nickel to oxidize far faster than > > would naturally occur. One could never see this with the naked eye they > > would be so small. He is only guessing based on observation of the > > deposits but who am I to question his analysis? The oxide is also very > > tightly bound to the track. This explains why a Brite Boy is > effective while wet wiping is not. > When asked about plastic wheels he postulates the plastic has nothing > to do > with it. Rather, metal wheels due to their harder surface are far more > effective at wearing away the oxide. The wheels aren't responsible for > the > problem, they are the removers of oxide and plastic is just a very poor > remover. > > Doug Peck > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [4] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ?subject=RE:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Black%20Gunk%20on%20your%20track [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvOHQ3OHYwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTc1OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTQ0NzczNjA-?act=reply <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvOHQ3OHYwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTc1OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTQ0NzczNjA-?act=reply&messageNum=65759> &messageNum=65759 [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/65747;_ylc=X3oDMTM0czM1OHY1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTc1OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTQ0NzczNjAEdHBjSWQDNjU3NDc- [7] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [8] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15onafudl/M=791726.14818010.14570270.10835568/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1314484561/L=2d6bba6c-d0ec-11e0-93ce-2bfc54cae9ae/B=6PXrX0wNPRs-/J=1314477361444903/K=lHcQtonyIOG3WE0Qh9dGxQ/A=6475084/R=0/SIG=1304f1scb/*http://www.freecreditscore.com/dni/default.aspx?SiteVersionID=997 <http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15onafudl/M=791726.14818010.14570270.10835568/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1314484561/L=2d6bba6c-d0ec-11e0-93ce-2bfc54cae9ae/B=6PXrX0wNPRs-/J=1314477361444903/K=lHcQtonyIOG3WE0Qh9dGxQ/A=6475084/R=0/SIG=1304f1scb/*http:/www.freecreditscore.com/dni/default.aspx?SiteVersionID=997&sc=671266&bcd=YGROUPS_Bad596> &sc=671266&bcd=YGROUPS_Bad596 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65765	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Re: Black Gunk on your track

Well the ho boys have beenusing it for years and hadno trouble with build up on the wheels and I believe the reason they give for using it is that it does cut back most of the arcing (not sure how). Alistair On Sun 28/08/11 9:22 AM , "Gerald Feldman" gfeldman2904@... sent: Wahl oil might stop some of the oxidation on the tracks, but not the arcing that is the putative cause the oxidation. But hey, if it works and doesn’t create more problems than it cures (i.e., build up of oily residue, slipping of the wheels, etc.), then use it. Jerry F. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1] [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2]] On Behalf Of alizoo@... [3] Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 2:19 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [4] Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Black Gunk on your track I believe that the answer is to use Wahl hair clipper oil on the track top - applied by hand lightly . It has been used for many years by those in the know and stops the micro, or major arcing that causes the problem. I have not tried it myself but I think if you search on this or other boards you will find the information on its use. Google Wahl clipper oil to find a nearby source. Alistair On Sun 28/08/11 5:26 AM , "Gerald Feldman" gfeldman2904@... [5] sent: All, Yes, this is great information, but what nobody has said yet is that UNDERSTANDING this information may help to reduce the problem. While it would be difficult (actually impossible) to eliminate all sparking between the wheels and the tracks (which is the cause of the oxide), one should be able to reduce it considerably by placing an appropriately sized resistor-capacitor "snubber" network across the wheel contacts. All someone needs to do now is take some measurements and compute the values of the network (which is not as difficult as it sounds). Jerry F. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [6] [1] [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [7] [2]] On Behalf Of Dale Smith Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 12:16 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [8] [3] Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Black Gunk on your track This is great information to have, something backed up by scientific analysis. What is also interesting is how some on the S-scale list seemed to dispute the results of the writer's testing. Some people may be very committed to their own ideas concerning this problem. Dale On 8/27/2011 4:48 AM, Doug Peck wrote: > > We've all read different explanations of all that black crud that > seems to continually grow on the rails. Here's an analytical report on > it that appeared on the S-Scale list today. Thought it was worth > cross-posting here...... > > > I pulled this article from Model Railroad Hobbyist Magazine, an e-zine. > > Here's a rather interesting look at just what that dirt is... > John > > > Black Gunk > > > After discussing the track fouling problem with a friend, he sent me a > > piece of heavily used, poorly cleaned silver nickel track which I then > > sent to the > > analytical lab for an analysis of the black crud that was presumed > to be > > from using plastic wheels. The report came back today. > > Drum roll please... > > It has nothing to do with plastic wheels... sort of. The black crud is > > near 100% pure nickel oxide. Nickel (III) oxide to be specific. Saw the > > spectrograph output proving it. It is the natural oxidation of the > nickel > > in the silver nickel plating on the track. Interestingly enough, it is > > deposited in such a manner as to suggest it was formed during an > > electrical arc. When viewed under extreme magnification it looks like > > random dots rather than a continuous film. The metallurgist > explained to > > me it is likely microscopic irregularities on the tread of locomotive > > wheels and track face and/or common dust on the track is causing > momentary > > loss of electrical contact resulting in nanosecond duration, nanometer > > long electrical arcs which cause the nickel to oxidize far faster than > > would naturally occur. One could never see this with the naked eye they > > would be so small. He is only guessing based on observation of the > > deposits but who am I to question his analysis? The oxide is also very > > tightly bound to the track. This explains why a Brite Boy is > effective while wet wiping is not. > When asked about plastic wheels he postulates the plastic has nothing > to do > with it. Rather, metal wheels due to their harder surface are far more > effective at wearing away the oxide. The wheels aren't responsible for > the > problem, they are the removers of oxide and plastic is just a very poor > remover. > > Doug Peck > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ [9] Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [10] [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [11] [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [12] [4] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [13] ?subject=RE:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Black%20Gunk%20on%20your%20track [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvOHQ3OHYwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTc1OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTQ0NzczNjA-?act=reply [14] < http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvOHQ3OHYwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTc1OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTQ0NzczNjA-?act=reply&messageNum=65759 [15]> &messageNum=65759 [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/65747;_ylc=X3oDMTM0czM1OHY1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTc1OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTQ0NzczNjAEdHBjSWQDNjU3NDc- [16] [7] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [17] [8] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15onafudl/M=791726.14818010.14570270.10835568/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1314484561/L=2d6bba6c-d0ec-11e0-93ce-2bfc54cae9ae/B=6PXrX0wNPRs-/J=1314477361444903/K=lHcQtonyIOG3WE0Qh9dGxQ/A=6475084/R=0/SIG=1304f1scb/*http://www.freecreditscore.com/dni/default.aspx?SiteVersionID=997 [18] &sc=671266&bcd=YGROUPS_Bad596 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] mailto:alizoo@... 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 65766	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 8/27/2011
Subject: Black gunk on your track

And then there are the guys who swear by graphite on the rails as a conductor of electricity. It is becoming more and more popular in the smaller scales and On30. I does work, but not on steep grades where the lubricating propreties become trouble for traction. I usually clean my rails with a Bright Boy before loading a layout up to take to a train show. Then every so often at the show I put one of my John Allen "dragger" track cleaners on for a few laps. Runs fine all weekend. (You would not believe the dust the foot traffic of the people moving around stirs up.) I have an S gauge layout set up at home right now and run the train once a day for a few laps with a dragger and it runs fine every time. No matter what causes the track crud problem, once you find a solution that works for you, keep doing it. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65767	From: flguz	Date: 8/28/2011
Subject: BLACK GUNK ON THE RAILS

Electronic tuner cleaner (Radio Shark) cleans this crud but won't prevent a reoccurance.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65768	From: rick gough	Date: 8/28/2011
Subject: Re: Black Gunk on your track

Why is it that many of us have no problem with 'Black Gunk' even while running ole Sparky '46 SIT K-5's? If the origional AF rails were nickel plated, could it be that I sanded off all the plating that is the cause of this problem?   rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing --- On Sat, 8/27/11, Doug Peck <doug@...> wrote: From: Doug Peck <doug@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Black Gunk on your track To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 4:48 AM   We've all read different explanations of all that black crud that seems to continually grow on the rails. Here's an analytical report on it that appeared on the S-Scale list today. Thought it was worth cross-posting here...... > I pulled this article from Model Railroad Hobbyist Magazine, an e-zine. > Here's a rather interesting look at just what that dirt is... John > Black Gunk > After discussing the track fouling problem with a friend, he sent me a > piece of heavily used, poorly cleaned silver nickel track which I then > sent to the > analytical lab for an analysis of the black crud that was presumed to be > from using plastic wheels. The report came back today. > Drum roll please... > It has nothing to do with plastic wheels... sort of. The black crud is > near 100% pure nickel oxide. Nickel (III) oxide to be specific. Saw the > spectrograph output proving it. It is the natural oxidation of the nickel > in the silver nickel plating on the track. Interestingly enough, it is > deposited in such a manner as to suggest it was formed during an > electrical arc. When viewed under extreme magnification it looks like > random dots rather than a continuous film. The metallurgist explained to > me it is likely microscopic irregularities on the tread of locomotive > wheels and track face and/or common dust on the track is causing momentary > loss of electrical contact resulting in nanosecond duration, nanometer > long electrical arcs which cause the nickel to oxidize far faster than > would naturally occur. One could never see this with the naked eye they > would be so small. He is only guessing based on observation of the > deposits but who am I to question his analysis? The oxide is also very > tightly bound to the track. This explains why a Brite Boy is effective while wet wiping is not. When asked about plastic wheels he postulates the plastic has nothing to do with it. Rather, metal wheels due to their harder surface are far more effective at wearing away the oxide. The wheels aren't responsible for the problem, they are the removers of oxide and plastic is just a very poor remover. Doug Peck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65769	From: rick gough	Date: 8/28/2011
Subject: Re: S Gauge Crossing Gates

I believe it is MTH that makes near S scale crossing gates that lower slowly in steps. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing --- On Sat, 8/27/11, Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> wrote: From: Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> Subject: [S-Trains] S Gauge Crossing Gates To: "S Trains" <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 5:54 AM   Does a nyone make an S gauge crossing gate/flasher that lowers completely and raises and lowers more realistically than the NJ International ones on Mike Marmer's layout?   Joe Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer ###################Authorized Lionel Service Center#################### ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@....###########.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65770	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/28/2011
Subject: Re: BLACK GUNK ON THE RAILS

Wasn't that the purpose of the track cleaning car & Gilbert fluid? In a message dated 8/28/2011 7:30:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, flguz@... writes: Electronic tuner cleaner (Radio Shark) cleans this crud but won't prevent a reoccurance. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65771	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/28/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 8/28/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday August 28, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65772	From: Ben	Date: 8/28/2011
Subject: Broken and forgotten 654 observation gets new lease on life...

I am building another car for my S Gauge Polar Express train. This train is currently made up of two junker maroon 652 coaches, a 631 gondola, and a spare 283 loco. I have about $20 in it so far and have enjoyed it for three Christmas seasons. A few months ago I bought a box (well, several boxes) of Flyer from Lynn's cousin. Included was a maroon 654 observation car with the non-observation deck-end completely broken off. I let it sit for a few months, but today I finally got to giving it new life- and adding a car to my Polar Express train! Since one of the 652s was already converted to the Polar Express observation with the extremely large and rounded rear deck, this 654 needs to be turned into a regular coach again. With the measurement and cutting of some scrap plywood and masonite, the addition of a little glue and a lot of creativity, the extra door set from the 652 used before, some Krylon spray paint, labels made by Lynn, and the help of the auto body teacher at school for final body work and paint application, I will have another coach for this unique train. Broken AF train cars should never truly die...but live on and add to the FUN of this hobby!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65773	From: Ben	Date: 8/28/2011
Subject: Re: Fred Jester

A truly sad message for all of us in this hobby- and especially for those of us who knew Fred well. I chatted with him regularly and religiously bought parts at most every Allentown "Freeze and Thaw" show as well as York twice a year. He almost always had what I needed for the newest project on my work table. For those of us who either cannot justify the price tag on NOS/"Like New" trains, or who just choose to have fun fixing up neglected trains, Fred's parts supply and knowledge was a blessing. He will be missed as I walk the halls of the trains shows he frequented where his trademark voice could often be heard from two or three aisles away. Condolences to all of this family and friends. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > I regret being the bearer of bad news, but Fred Jester passed away Wednesday after his long battle with cancer. > > His services will be on Monday, in Chester, PA. > > Details should be in the Delaware County Daily Times; Chester, PA....probably today. > > RIP, Freddie.......... > > Doug Peck >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65774	From: Eric	Date: 8/28/2011
Subject: Flyer Newer Lionel type) for Sale

I have some Lionel-Flyer Items for sale. I bought a collection to get some items I wanted and was left with a bunch of extra stuff. #1-- 6-94491 UP Vista dome car Last years new full length dome #2 -- 6-94491 UP Vista dome car Last years new full length dome (second one) #3-- 6-48978 UP Set of 4 heavyweight passenger Cars #4-- 6-48983 UP Set of 2 adder cars heavyweight pass cars #5-- 6-48550 Great Northern depressed center flat with cannisters. $40 #6-- 6-48038 Great northern Electric with sound , etc and matching operating Caboose. $300 I am looking for $75 per passenger car, so $600 if you want all 8. Make me an offer on anything, the more the better All of these are new in the box, sets have the outer grouping box. I think there are shipping boxes too. I will Ebay these after Memorial day holiday so here is an early chance. Make me an offer, the more the better. Thanks. Checks and paypal both work. Eric Reis P.O. Box 82126 Kenmore, Wa 98028. ericrhere@... ebay= er099, NASG since 86, TCA since 87. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65775	From: Timboy	Date: 8/29/2011
Subject: Re: BLACK GUNK ON THE RAILS

Gentlemen: I used to have a terrible problem with dirt on the rails causing arcing and sporadic running. I solved it by applying a light coat of oil on my vintage rails. I didn't listen to the guys telling me not to do that and I am sure glad that I didn't listen to them. lol Here is a link to a collection of Tips, Tricks & Techniques that I have developed over the years, to include oiling the track rails: http://timboystestblog.blogspot.com/ I hope some of the information in the above link is of value. Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65776	From: Frank	Date: 8/29/2011
Subject: Re: Flyer Newer Lionel type) for Sale

Do you mean Labor Day? What are you asking for the UP Hwts ? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 28, 2011, at 8:28 PM, Eric <ericrhere@...> wrote: > I have some Lionel-Flyer Items for sale. I bought a collection to get some > items I wanted and was left with a bunch of extra stuff. > > #1-- 6-94491 UP Vista dome car Last years new full length dome > > #2 -- 6-94491 UP Vista dome car Last years new full length dome (second > one) > > #3-- 6-48978 UP Set of 4 heavyweight passenger Cars > > #4-- 6-48983 UP Set of 2 adder cars heavyweight pass cars > > #5-- 6-48550 Great Northern depressed center flat with cannisters. $40 > > #6-- 6-48038 Great northern Electric with sound , etc and matching > operating Caboose. $300 > > I am looking for $75 per passenger car, so $600 if you want all 8. Make me > an offer on anything, the more the better > > All of these are new in the box, sets have the outer grouping box. I think > there are shipping boxes too. I will Ebay these after Memorial day holiday > so here is an early chance. Make me an offer, the more the better. > Thanks. Checks and paypal both work. > > Eric Reis > P.O. Box 82126 > Kenmore, Wa 98028. > > ericrhere@... > > ebay= er099, NASG since 86, TCA since 87. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65777	From: Mike Andrzejewski	Date: 8/29/2011
Subject: Re: Broken and forgotten 654 observation gets new lease on life...

Hi Ben, Sounds nice. Do you have pictures to share? Mike Andrzejewski ________________________________ From: Ben <lbstiles@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 6:30 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Broken and forgotten 654 observation gets new lease on life...   I am building another car for my S Gauge Polar Express train. This train is currently made up of two junker maroon 652 coaches, a 631 gondola, and a spare 283 loco. I have about $20 in it so far and have enjoyed it for three Christmas seasons. A few months ago I bought a box (well, several boxes) of Flyer from Lynn's cousin. Included was a maroon 654 observation car with the non-observation deck-end completely broken off. I let it sit for a few months, but today I finally got to giving it new life- and adding a car to my Polar Express train! Since one of the 652s was already converted to the Polar Express observation with the extremely large and rounded rear deck, this 654 needs to be turned into a regular coach again. With the measurement and cutting of some scrap plywood and masonite, the addition of a little glue and a lot of creativity, the extra door set from the 652 used before, some Krylon spray paint, labels made by Lynn, and the help of the auto body teacher at school for final body work and paint application, I will have another coach for this unique train. Broken AF train cars should never truly die...but live on and add to the FUN of this hobby! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65778	From: Eric	Date: 8/29/2011
Subject: Re: Flyer Newer Lionel type) for Sale

Frank: Yes I ment Labor Day. I should learn to proof read better when I do the cut and paste stuff. I was looking for $75 per car. ($300 for the 4 car set, $150 for the 2 car set) That is what I paid and I will include shipping in USA (about $15) I do have 2 odf the 4 car sets so if you wanted 10 cars for $750 I could do that too. thanks, Eric On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Frank <femiro2002@...> wrote: > ** > > > Do you mean Labor Day? What are you asking for the UP Hwts ? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 28, 2011, at 8:28 PM, Eric <ericrhere@...> wrote: > > > I have some Lionel-Flyer Items for sale. I bought a collection to get > some > > items I wanted and was left with a bunch of extra stuff. > > > > #1-- 6-94491 UP Vista dome car Last years new full length dome > > > > #2 -- 6-94491 UP Vista dome car Last years new full length dome (second > > one) > > > > #3-- 6-48978 UP Set of 4 heavyweight passenger Cars > > > > #4-- 6-48983 UP Set of 2 adder cars heavyweight pass cars > > > > #5-- 6-48550 Great Northern depressed center flat with cannisters. $40 > > > > #6-- 6-48038 Great northern Electric with sound , etc and matching > > operating Caboose. $300 > > > > I am looking for $75 per passenger car, so $600 if you want all 8. Make > me > > an offer on anything, the more the better > > > > All of these are new in the box, sets have the outer grouping box. I > think > > there are shipping boxes too. I will Ebay these after Memorial day > holiday > > so here is an early chance. Make me an offer, the more the better. > > Thanks. Checks and paypal both work. > > > > Eric Reis > > P.O. Box 82126 > > Kenmore, Wa 98028. > > > > ericrhere@... > > > > ebay= er099, NASG since 86, TCA since 87. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65779	From: Ben	Date: 8/29/2011
Subject: Re: Broken and forgotten 654 observation gets new lease on life...

I have not taken any photos yet. I might start and write up a short article for S Gaugian. The rest of the train shows and runs very well. Kids love it! Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Mike Andrzejewski <mike_a_2001@...> wrote: > > Hi Ben, > > Sounds nice. Do you have pictures to share? > > Mike Andrzejewski > > > ________________________________ > From: Ben <lbstiles@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 6:30 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Broken and forgotten 654 observation gets new lease on life... > > >   > I am building another car for my S Gauge Polar Express train. This train is currently made up of two junker maroon 652 coaches, a 631 gondola, and a spare 283 loco. I have about $20 in it so far and have enjoyed it for three Christmas seasons. > > A few months ago I bought a box (well, several boxes) of Flyer from Lynn's cousin. Included was a maroon 654 observation car with the non-observation deck-end completely broken off. I let it sit for a few months, but today I finally got to giving it new life- and adding a car to my Polar Express train! > > Since one of the 652s was already converted to the Polar Express observation with the extremely large and rounded rear deck, this 654 needs to be turned into a regular coach again. > > With the measurement and cutting of some scrap plywood and masonite, the addition of a little glue and a lot of creativity, the extra door set from the 652 used before, some Krylon spray paint, labels made by Lynn, and the help of the auto body teacher at school for final body work and paint application, I will have another coach for this unique train. > > Broken AF train cars should never truly die...but live on and add to the FUN of this hobby! > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65780	From: sgaugian	Date: 8/30/2011
Subject: Re: Black Gunk on your track

Thanks Doug. Very interesting, especially since the best thing I found (and I tried Wahls and other "solutions") to reduce gunk is to increase the number of metal wheels used -- replace AF wheels with SHS for example on rolling stock, tenders, and operating cars. I need to clean my track one third as often as I used to. And to do that I pull one of your ScothBrite spinning track cleaning cars, followed by a Masonite pad equipped box car, followed by an AF 948 (SHS all-metal wheels equipped) with LGB fluid on the front pads and 91% isopropyl alcohol on the rear pads. All pulled by an A-B of SHS F-units (all metal wheels) at about 12 VAC. Sit back and let the train do the work - nice and shiny after just a few laps. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > We've all read different explanations of all that black crud that seems to continually grow on the rails. Here's an analytical report on it that appeared on the S-Scale list today. Thought it was worth cross-posting here......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65781	From: sgaugian	Date: 8/30/2011
Subject: Re: Big Boy Whoas

Another club member and I each ran our BBs for hours on end this past weekend at a show. Flawless, loud-sound, smoke-filled fun. With "whoa" and "wow" from many an onlooker. Bash and smash 'em as you like, but you won't get mine for that. No sir. Although I have to admit, they were probably the second most photographed and video'd part of our layout. "Franks Hot Dog" stand with a revolving wiener on top for some reason probably took first place in that category. Every crowd is different.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65782	From: piccu56	Date: 8/31/2011
Subject: Re: Fred Jester

That is sad news. God bless him and his family. I spent many many years knowing Fred and working in his shop putting trains back together. I purchased many many items from him over the years starting way back when you could buy a 303 for $15, or a 751 for $25. I saw Fred last York and we talked and dealt the best we could, he was always busy and being interrupted. He looked good too, no sign that he was deteriorating in health. He will be missed. Dave --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > I regret being the bearer of bad news, but Fred Jester passed away Wednesday after his long battle with cancer. > > His services will be on Monday, in Chester, PA. > > Details should be in the Delaware County Daily Times; Chester, PA....probably today. > > RIP, Freddie.......... > > Doug Peck >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65783	From: piccu56	Date: 8/31/2011
Subject: Anyone KNow of Alternate Buy/Sell Venues Other Than The Bay?

I've had it with the big bully auction based in California. I've been slandered by buyers/sellers and bullied by their rules long enough, and controlled like a war prisoner even longer. I'm looking for on line alternatives. I've checked out Choo Choo auctions, OGR Buy/Sell boards, and a newer site called Bonanza. This is a virtual antique mall type set up and there are some train booths set up. OldToyTrains is one that comes to mind. He had a lot of AF and Lionel the first day I looked, and most of it sold already as his prices are pretty reasonable. Might try that one myself. Any suggestions?? Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65784	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 8/31/2011
Subject: Free Cardstock Jeep Kit

http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/9212988517 Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65785	From: Ben	Date: 9/1/2011
Subject: Re: Anyone KNow of Alternate Buy/Sell Venues Other Than The Bay?

If you are a member of TCA, they have a very nice online sell/buy site- the TCA Xchange. I have sold and bought lots of trains on that forum and when you place an ad on the web Xchange, you can check it to be printed in the Newsletter as well. You can have up to 100 ads for free as a benefit of membership. Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "piccu56" <piccu56@...> wrote: > > I've had it with the big bully auction based in California. I've been slandered by buyers/sellers and bullied by their rules long enough, and controlled like a war prisoner even longer. I'm looking for on line alternatives. I've checked out Choo Choo auctions, OGR Buy/Sell boards, and a newer site called Bonanza. This is a virtual antique mall type set up and there are some train booths set up. OldToyTrains is one that comes to mind. He had a lot of AF and Lionel the first day I looked, and most of it sold already as his prices are pretty reasonable. Might try that one myself. Any suggestions?? > > Dave >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65786	From: rapidrail1	Date: 9/1/2011
Subject: Interesting prototype engine

I work part-time in a local Goodwill store. Today, on my way out, I passed a print that had been donated. It was a B&O 4-4-4-4 pulling a 7 car passenger train. I had never even heard of one of these before, but I'll bet you B&O fans have. It had a 4 wheel leading truck, a 4 drive wheel set with the drive rod going forward into the cylinder, a second 4 drive wheel set with the drive rod going backward into the cylinder behind the wheels, and a 4 wheel trailing truck. Employees are not allow to buy things in the store, or else I would have purchased it. Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65787	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/1/2011
Subject: Re: Let's change gauges

----- Original Message ----- From: rapidrail1 . . . . . . . . .a B&O 4-4-4-4 pulling a 7 car passenger train. I had never even heard of one of these before. . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > MTH has done it in O gauge. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAXaaLUoaYs Tom Hawley Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65788	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/1/2011
Subject: Re: Interesting prototype engine

----- Original Message ----- From: rapidrail1 . . . . . . . . a print that had been donated. It was a B&O 4-4-4-4 . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It should have looked something like this. http://www.yesteryeardepot.com/BO5600.JPG Some information http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_and_Ohio_Class_N-1\ Good "search engine" should find lots more. Tom Hawley http://michmod.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65789	From: frank emiro	Date: 9/1/2011
Subject: Re: Interesting prototype engine

have a friend go in and buy it Frank R. EMIRO From: rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Interesting prototype engine   I work part-time in a local Goodwill store. Today, on my way out, I passed a print that had been donated. It was a B&O 4-4-4-4 pulling a 7 car passenger train. I had never even heard of one of these before, but I'll bet you B&O fans have. It had a 4 wheel leading truck, a 4 drive wheel set with the drive rod going forward into the cylinder, a second 4 drive wheel set with the drive rod going backward into the cylinder behind the wheels, and a 4 wheel trailing truck. Employees are not allow to buy things in the store, or else I would have purchased it. Wayne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65790	From: Frank	Date: 9/1/2011
Subject: Re: Interesting prototype engine

The George H. Emerson. It was at the 1939 Worlds Fair. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2011, at 1:34 PM, "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@...> wrote: > I work part-time in a local Goodwill store. Today, on my way out, I passed a print that had been donated. It was a B&O 4-4-4-4 pulling a 7 car passenger train. I had never even heard of one of these before, but I'll bet you B&O fans have. It had a 4 wheel leading truck, a 4 drive wheel set with the drive rod going forward into the cylinder, a second 4 drive wheel set with the drive rod going backward into the cylinder behind the wheels, and a 4 wheel trailing truck. Employees are not allow to buy things in the store, or else I would have purchased it. > > Wayne > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65791	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/1/2011
Subject: Interesting prototype engine

Wayne, your "mystery engine" is #5600 the "George H. Emerson" and was a rigid frame, duplex drive type with a water tube boiler. It was named after the General Superintendant of Motive Power & Equipment of the B&O at the time. Emerson liked water tube boilers, and experimented with them on 12 previous locomotives by the time this one was built in 1937. Unfortunately, the engine spent much of it's life in the shop with bearing trouble and problems due to it's light weight side and main rods. The brakes were entirely inadequate for the large loco, and many engineers avoided it at all costs! The operating and service people hated it as well. None of Emerson's "special engines" were liked out on the system. The #5600 could really fly when it was running and reguarly hauled 18 heavyweight cars at 80 mph all over the B&O system. A.K. Galloway succeeded Emerson in 1942, and all the "special engines" were then headquartered at New Castle, PA. for the duration of the war, where they were close to shop forces. The Stores Department there was jammed with every spare part for these engines which could be found. After the war, as motive power requirements dropped and diesels again became availible, B&O quickly started cutting the "special" engines up. The 4-4-4-4 Emerson met the torch in 1950, much to the relief of B&O engineers and shop men. Other roads also experimented with rigid frame, duplex drive engines and water tube boilers, but none were really as successful as expected and all had maintenance problems. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65792	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 9/1/2011
Subject: Re: Interesting prototype engine

Here's our South Australian Railways clone of the streamlined Duplex body. The SAR Northern was one of the most successful locos ever built unlike the much larger Duplex. Alistair http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Australian_Railways_520_class [1] On Fri 02/09/11 5:58 AM , Frank femiro2002@... sent: The George H. Emerson. It was at the 1939 Worlds Fair. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2011, at 1:34 PM, "rapidrail1" wrote: > I work part-time in a local Goodwill store. Today, on my way out, I passed a print that had been donated. It was a B&O 4-4-4-4 pulling a 7 car passenger train. I had never even heard of one of these before, but I'll bet you B&O fans have. It had a 4 wheel leading truck, a 4 drive wheel set with the drive rod going forward into the cylinder, a second 4 drive wheel set with the drive rod going backward into the cylinder behind the wheels, and a 4 wheel trailing truck. Employees are not allow to buy things in the store, or else I would have purchased it. > > Wayne > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Australian_Railways_520_class [2] mailto:waynebeachy113@... [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Interesting%20prototype%20engine [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvMjFxN2lvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTc5MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTQ5MDk4Njk-?act=reply&messageNum=65790 [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/65786;_ylc=X3oDMTM0bm52ZDdiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTc5MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTQ5MDk4NjkEdHBjSWQDNjU3ODY- [6] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [7] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15ok64ejk/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1314917070/L=309f49b8-d4db-11e0-97f2-f778f0ba46c2/B=V1FkKNBDRuM-/J=1314909870002331/K=mhIGxBPztDwrt.nOIeVhlw/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj [8] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15ot6r8vu/M=791726.14847541.14590405.10835568/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1314917070/L=309f49b8-d4db-11e0-97f2-f778f0ba46c2/B=VlFkKNBDRuM-/J=1314909870002331/K=mhIGxBPztDwrt.nOIeVhlw/A=6475085/R=0/SIG=1309nvt92/*http://www.freecreditscore.com/dni/default.aspx?SiteVersionID=997&sc=671266&bcd=YGROUPS_Bad579 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65793	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/1/2011
Subject: Re: NASG

Anyone know who is in charge of the ads in the Dispatch directory? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65794	From: Samuel J. McCoy	Date: 9/1/2011
Subject: Re: NASG

Hello Mike Yes. Greg Klein and his email is moviemadness2 "at" yahoo.com I also forwarded your email to him. Sam anormal1@... wrote: > Anyone know who is in charge of the ads in the Dispatch directory? Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65795	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/1/2011
Subject: Re: NASG

Thank You Sam, Mike In a message dated 9/1/2011 6:43:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, samuel.j.mccoy@... writes: Hello Mike Yes. Greg Klein and his email is moviemadness2 "at" yahoo.com I also forwarded your email to him. Sam _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) wrote: > Anyone know who is in charge of the ads in the Dispatch directory? Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at _http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo_ (http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Yahoo) ! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65796	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 9/2/2011
Subject: Re: NASG

Well, Me, Jeff Madden. nasgdispatch@.... Chuck Garman usually does the finished artwork: dispatch@... Jeff Madden, Editor, NASG Dispatch On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:25 PM, <anormal1@...> wrote: > ** > > > Anyone know who is in charge of the ads in the Dispatch directory? Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65797	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/2/2011
Subject: Re: NASG

Jeff, did you get my check? It has not cleared my bank as yet? Mike In a message dated 9/2/2011 3:38:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nasgdi spatch@... writes: Well, Me, Jeff Madden. _nasgdispatch@..._ (mailto:nasgdispatch@...) . Chuck Garman usually does the finished artwork: _dispatch@..._ (mailto:dispatch@...) Jeff Madden, Editor, NASG Dispatch On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:25 PM, <_anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) > wrote: > ** > > > Anyone know who is in charge of the ads in the Dispatch directory? Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65798	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 9/2/2011
Subject: Re: Interesting prototype engine

Hey Mr Stumpy... Knowing your fondness for the "Bean O", can you make me one of these for Xmas. L.O.L. Man this would be great. Don't know what boiler(s) you would need to use as it was smooth and almost semi stramlined. Gene Cimino (Here in Hanover, PA "Potatochipville" to us locals)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65799	From: Bob	Date: 9/2/2011
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine Back Issue Clearance Sale Announcement

Good day. I am pleased to announce a special 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine back issue clearance sale. Just $1.99 each, while supplies last! Also: free shipping on orders of 10 or more issues (US residents only). Please visit www.1-64ModelingGuide.com to download a PDF order form. The sale ends at 11:59 PM October 15, 2011. Please note that all remaining back stock prior to Volume 10 will be discarded after that date. Don't delay! Supplies of some back issues are extremely low. There is no plan at this time to re-release these issues on electronic media, although that could change in the future. Hope to see some of you at the "Central Jersey S Scalers Fall Get-Together" later this month. Bob Nalbone Editor & Publisher 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65800	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/2/2011
Subject: Re: Interesting prototype engine

Gene, this one would require LOTS of scratch building! I would thing that a length of PCV plastic water pipe would be a start fot the boiler. The lead truck could be a regular Flyer four wheel type and you could use a Hudson/Northern trailing truck. You could also use two Atlantic drives, except they would be too long unless you used only the rear one with motor and chopped the front frame down to almost no length. There is no way you could build this as a rigid frame engine unless you have a huge curve radius, so both sets of drivers have to pivot, similar to the Flyonel articulated. Of course, once you perfect the chassis, you could also build the Pennsy's T-1 as well. While not impossible, this would be a major project! Much as I like the B&O, I 'll pass. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65801	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/2/2011
Subject: Puzzled

Can somebody shed some light on this. I just got thru cleaning and touching up a 21088 Franklin engine, and I am baffled by the date stamp, on the inside. It is clearly stamped as Jan 1969. Does not make sense to me, since Gilbert was pretty much out of business in '66-'67, as I understand it. Just curious. Thanks, Larry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65802	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/3/2011
Subject: Re: Puzzled

Since the Franklin's were introduced in 1959, it sounds like someone on the assembly line set the date wrong on their stamp. Those date stamps back then, and still available today, had rolling rubber strips of numerals, so each digit is set independently. Someone undoubtedly turned that band accidentally and was off by one digit. Interesting, though, that we haven't heard of this before.......it would not seem too likely that yours was the only one stamped before the error was corrected. <<<21088 Franklin engine, and I am baffled by the date stamp, on the inside. It is clearly stamped as Jan 1969. Does not make sense>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65803	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 9/3/2011
Subject: Own the real thing

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/private-rail-car-owners-enjoy-yachts-on-tracks/2011/07/19/gIQAj1aOvJ_story.html This was the front page story in the Washington Post yesterday about people who own their own private old Pullman Passenger cars. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65804	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 9/3/2011
Subject: Re: Interesting prototype engine

Thanks Stumpy.... At the very least, I got your creative juices flowing enough to describe a few basic ideas of how it COULD be done. The idea of the plastic pipe answers how to cope with the smooth or clean look of the boiler. Meanwhile, I like your idea on using the shortened Atlantic frame. These are ideas that we can tuck away for some other less complicated "re-creation". Gene Cimino (Always there to instigate creativity in others).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65805	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/3/2011
Subject: Re: Own the real thing

Their convention is in Kansas City this year, so I understand. Lots of activities centered around our Union Station (2nd largest rail terminal in America). Quite a bit of varnish is supposed to show up on our house tracks. Roy From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2011 09:39:06 -0400 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com>, <toytrains@yahoogroups.com>, S-Scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com>, Steve Conard <steve.conard@...>, Ted Miller <ted.miller@...>, John Picur <jppicur@...>, Ron Palmquist <ron.cnw400@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Own the real thing http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/private-rail-car-owners-enjoy-yachts-on- tracks/2011/07/19/gIQAj1aOvJ_story.html This was the front page story in the Washington Post yesterday about people who own their own private old Pullman Passenger cars. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65806	From: sscale@comcast.net	Date: 9/3/2011
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5398

Chances are that the "6" is actually a 5. I have been faked out that way. The pad stamps tend to get blurred in time.<br /><br />Walt Jopke<br /><br />Sent from Xfinity mobile App [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65807	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/3/2011
Subject: Re: Puzzled

I've never paid attention to those date stamps.  Did they date stamp ALL products?  Did they always do it, or was there a year that they started, and/or a year they stopped, doing it? ________________________________ From: Doug Peck <doug@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 5:25 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Puzzled   Since the Franklin's were introduced in 1959, it sounds like someone on the assembly line set the date wrong on their stamp. Those date stamps back then, and still available today, had rolling rubber strips of numerals, so each digit is set independently. Someone undoubtedly turned that band accidentally and was off by one digit. Interesting, though, that we haven't heard of this before.......it would not seem too likely that yours was the only one stamped before the error was corrected. <<<21088 Franklin engine, and I am baffled by the date stamp, on the inside. It is clearly stamped as Jan 1969. Does not make sense>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65808	From: Eric	Date: 9/3/2011
Subject: Trains for sale

Due to a couple of people dropping out I still have some of the items for sale. I have some Lionel-Flyer Items for sale. I bought a collection to get some items I wanted and was left with a bunch of extra stuff. These UP cars are getting hard to find and will work great with the new Challengers coming out! #1-- 6-94491 UP Vista dome car Last years new full length dome for streamliner type. $75 #2 -- 6-94491 UP Vista dome car Last years new full length dome (second one) $75 #3-- 6-48978 UP Set of 4 heavyweight passenger Cars $300 #4-- 6-48983 UP Set of 2 adder cars heavyweight pass cars $150 #5-- 6-48550 Great Northern depressed center flat with cannisters. $35 #6-- sold I am looking for $75 per passenger car, so $600 if you want all 8 and I will pay shipping. Make me an offer on anything, the more the better. All of these are new in the box, sets have the outer grouping box. I think there are shipping boxes too. I will Ebay these after the Labor day holiday so here is an early chance. Make me an offer, the more the better. Thanks. Checks and paypal both work. Eric Reis P.O. Box 82126 Kenmore, Wa 98028. ericrhere@... ebay= er099, NASG since 86, TCA since 87. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65809	From: John Metzger	Date: 9/3/2011
Subject: Re: Death of SGM John W. Metzger, Retired of Troy, Missouri.

My father was an earily member of AFSGSLA and NASG.  He was the data base person that got the renewals and first computerized the data base.  Pete with Goelner printing then got the list of names as labels to send out the Dispatch.  Dad did this for some 6 or 7 years.  He died 09/01/2011 at 03:00am peacibly in bed at home. Visitation on tuesday 09/06/2011, 4 to 8pm at McCoy-Blossom FH, Troy, Missouri.  Service on wedensday 09/07/2011 at 10am at Trinity Lutheran Church, Troy, Missouri with interment at Jefferson Barricks National Cemetery. My father loved the Pennsylvania railroad being born 03/29/1927 (84yo) in Skulkyll county, Pennsylvania near Pottstown.  Respectivily, John F. Metzger, RN (son). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65810	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/3/2011
Subject: Puzzeled

Thanks to all who responded to the Franklin date stamp. Doug's summation that a worker simply set the stamp wrong makes sense. Larry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65811	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/3/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/4/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 4, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 21 hours, 58 minutes. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65812	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/4/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/4/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 4, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65813	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/5/2011
Subject: New Video: San Diego S-Gaugers at SDMRM Museum

The San Diego S-Gaugers modular layout has been running at the San Diego Model Railroad Museum over the Labor Day weekend, Friday through Monday.  The Video is now online at YouTube:               http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR8jLagTn04 I'll get it on the club website soon. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65814	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/5/2011
Subject: WANTED : AM FA-2/FB-2 Shells

Looking for complate shells or pieces of shells for AM's FA-2/FB-2 models. I could use at least 2 of each as I will be cutting and splicing them to create an FA-1 and FB-1. Please reply direct to me offline. Thanks. John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65815	From: Brady	Date: 9/5/2011
Subject: Re: New Video: San Diego S-Gaugers at SDMRM Museum

> The San Diego S-Gaugers modular layout has been running at the San Diego Model Railroad Museum over the Labor Day weekend, Friday through Monday.  The Video is now online at YouTube: > > >               http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR8jLagTn04 I've enjoyed the videos you've been posting. Do you ever run any local switching between the Powell Yard and the Gilbert siding? It might make for some good video. Thanks again, Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65816	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/6/2011
Subject: For Sale: four-car Aluminum 66X passenger set

These cars are in C-6 Very Good condition.  I'm selling them for a friend. I'd prefer to sell all four cars together as a set, but will split it up if the combination car and observation car go first; I've learned from sad experience never to sell the coach and vista dome cars out of a set because you get stuck with a combination car and observation car that you can't sell. I figure the Greenberg values adjusted for condition are $45 for the combination car, $55 for the vista dome, and $65 each for the coach and observation car.  That totals $230 for the set.  Make offer. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65817	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/6/2011
Subject: Re: New Video: San Diego S-Gaugers at SDMRM Museum

Thank you for the suggestion.  I'll put that together. I filmed another freight scenario, splitting up an incoming freight into four smaller trains for local delivery, but the video editing software I have won't handle high-def video correctly.  I need to get something else. ________________________________ From: Brady <brady@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 5, 2011 4:29 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Video: San Diego S-Gaugers at SDMRM Museum   > The San Diego S-Gaugers modular layout has been running at the San Diego Model Railroad Museum over the Labor Day weekend, Friday through Monday.  The Video is now online at YouTube: > > >               http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR8jLagTn04 I've enjoyed the videos you've been posting. Do you ever run any local switching between the Powell Yard and the Gilbert siding? It might make for some good video. Thanks again, Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65818	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/6/2011
Subject: Two More San Diego S-Gaugers videos

Monday we ran the Lionel Flyer Big Boy and Mikado under TMCC on the inner main, and the American Models Southern Crescent and a Baldwin with freight consist under DCC on the outer.      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geWgM0pe1Vg      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EjwGLlemUw These and our other videos can also be viewed on the club's website:      https://sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home/videos [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65819	From: knockbill	Date: 9/6/2011
Subject: Re: Fred Jester

i second what ben wrote,,, fred will be sorely missed by american flyer fans, and teh toy train community as a whole... RIP, buddy, we all miss you, john --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote: > > A truly sad message for all of us in this hobby- and especially for those of us who knew Fred well. > > I chatted with him regularly and religiously bought parts at most every Allentown "Freeze and Thaw" show as well as York twice a year. He almost always had what I needed for the newest project on my work table. > > For those of us who either cannot justify the price tag on NOS/"Like New" trains, or who just choose to have fun fixing up neglected trains, Fred's parts supply and knowledge was a blessing. > > He will be missed as I walk the halls of the trains shows he frequented where his trademark voice could often be heard from two or three aisles away. > > Condolences to all of this family and friends. > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@> wrote: > > > > I regret being the bearer of bad news, but Fred Jester passed away Wednesday after his long battle with cancer. > > > > His services will be on Monday, in Chester, PA. > > > > Details should be in the Delaware County Daily Times; Chester, PA....probably today. > > > > RIP, Freddie.......... > > > > Doug Peck > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65820	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 9/6/2011
Subject: Re: Two More San Diego S-Gaugers videos

Considering all the 'bashing' that the Big Boy received in the recent past, would you give a thumbnail operating summary for operation on the San Diego S=Gaugers layout for Monday, Sept. 5th (Labor Day)? It looked as though it was running well in the videos, but that was only for about 5 minutes. How long did it operate and was it trouble free? Thanks very much. [Based on your report, I might even take mine out of its box and try it out for a short run:-) .] thanks Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 9/6/2011 16:54, Robert Graves wrote: > > Monday we ran the Lionel Flyer Big Boy and Mikado under TMCC on the > inner main, and the American Models Southern Crescent and a Baldwin > with freight consist under DCC on the outer. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geWgM0pe1Vg > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EjwGLlemUw > > These and our other videos can also be viewed on the club's website: > > https://sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home/videos > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65821	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/6/2011
Subject: Re: Two More San Diego S-Gaugers videos

Rance, When you get yours out of the box, I would be interested in your frank opinion of the cab truck. To my admittedly jaded and fuzzy eye, it looks more like it came off of an 027 engine, as in oversized to the point of looking comical. Roy From: Rance Velapoldi <rvelapoldi@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 19:53:12 +0200 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Two More San Diego S-Gaugers videos Considering all the 'bashing' that the Big Boy received in the recent past, would you give a thumbnail operating summary for operation on the San Diego S=Gaugers layout for Monday, Sept. 5th (Labor Day)? It looked as though it was running well in the videos, but that was only for about 5 minutes. How long did it operate and was it trouble free? Thanks very much. [Based on your report, I might even take mine out of its box and try it out for a short run:-) .] thanks Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 9/6/2011 16:54, Robert Graves wrote: > > Monday we ran the Lionel Flyer Big Boy and Mikado under TMCC on the > inner main, and the American Models Southern Crescent and a Baldwin > with freight consist under DCC on the outer. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geWgM0pe1Vg > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EjwGLlemUw > > These and our other videos can also be viewed on the club's website: > > https://sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home/videos > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65822	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/6/2011
Subject: Re: Two More San Diego S-Gaugers videos

Thanks for the videos. Your club has come a long way in a relatively short period of time. I like the mixed use of DCC and Conventional/TMCC. Are you allowed to run steam engines with smoke on? I noticed none were. Just curious why not. Note: the Big Boy smokes especially well under TMCC if you program it for max output. Thanks. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > Monday we ran the Lionel Flyer Big Boy and Mikado under TMCC on the inner main, and the American Models Southern Crescent and a Baldwin with freight consist under DCC on the outer.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65823	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/6/2011
Subject: Re: Two More San Diego S-Gaugers videos

We ran 2 Big Boys for extended (over an hour at at time) periods of time 2 weeks ago. No issues. Plenty of sounds, smoke, and pulling power. Crowds love it. As with any engine before a show, I check it out -- connecting rod bolts snug, medium oil axle bearings, light oil valve gear, clean wheels, (Gilbert engines I also lightly grease the main drive gear). That's about it. Away she (he) goes.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65824	From: Scott	Date: 9/7/2011
Subject: Showcase Circus and Tropicana

Hey, I've got two problems that I was wondering if others had and if they had found solutions to them. 1. Showcase Circus Cars - We have a Showcase circus car set. We ran into a problem where with those heavy Diecast trailers, a bump in the track would cause the trucks to buckle and the cars to drag to a stop. Everytime this happens, the trucks have to be reset and the train will continue fine. I have pretty much narrowed down the issue to the sprung trucks and was wondering if the springs were just too weak to support those cars. 2. Tropicana Box 50' car - I don't know where to start with this car. I'm not sure if we got a bad car, but the frame does not want to sit under the car and the car tends to lean. Plus, after three laps, the truck screws will come undone and the car will fall to pieces. I'm in no way trying to put down these companys' products. I simply want to find a way to make these cars works as good as they roll. Sincerely, Scott Miller Technician and Electrician of the S-Modulators

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65825	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 9/7/2011
Subject: Rubber Roadbed?

Would anyone have the A.F. wide tie black rubber roadbed (curves only) they would be willing to sell? I could use from 6 to a dozen. Email me at: ruth.leahy@... Thanks, Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65826	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 9/7/2011
Subject: Re: Two More San Diego S-Gaugers videos

Thank you for the compliment! We started building our first modules in June 1008 and displayed eight at GTE that December. The layout has been very well received everywhere. We have been blessed with two terrific presidents with great vision, good taste, and an unusual depth of knowledge. The two mainlines were designed to be totally independent of each other and of everything else on the layout. We can run any power source on either mainline. We have Digitrax DCC, TMCC, TMCC with TPC, and AC transformers available. Since I'm not well versed in DCC myself, I generally run AC on the inner main and TMCC on the outer when I'm alone at the clubhouse. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 6, 2011, at 4:14 PM, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: Thanks for the videos. Your club has come a long way in a relatively short period of time. I like the mixed use of DCC and Conventional/TMCC. Are you allowed to run steam engines with smoke on? I noticed none were. Just curious why not. Note: the Big Boy smokes especially well under TMCC if you program it for max output. Thanks. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > Monday we ran the Lionel Flyer Big Boy and Mikado under TMCC on the inner main, and the American Models Southern Crescent and a Baldwin with freight consist under DCC on the outer. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65827	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 9/7/2011
Subject: Re: Two More San Diego S-Gaugers videos

We run without smoke at the museum because the adjacent HO and N clubs object to it. I did run it with smoke initially just to make sure it worked. This was the first time this Big Boy had been run. I didn't even assign it an engine number - just ran it as 01 right out of the box. Ran, reversed, smoked, and made sounds with no problems whatever for about two hours. We only stopped because the museum closed. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 6, 2011, at 4:14 PM, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: Thanks for the videos. Your club has come a long way in a relatively short period of time. I like the mixed use of DCC and Conventional/TMCC. Are you allowed to run steam engines with smoke on? I noticed none were. Just curious why not. Note: the Big Boy smokes especially well under TMCC if you program it for max output. Thanks. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > Monday we ran the Lionel Flyer Big Boy and Mikado under TMCC on the inner main, and the American Models Southern Crescent and a Baldwin with freight consist under DCC on the outer. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65828	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/7/2011
Subject: Re: Showcase Circus and Tropicana

Dear Scott, Thank you for your inquiry. Re: Circus Cars - Are these the ones from Scenery Unlimited? Yes, we did make the flat car, but we did not make the trailers. I am guessing a bit heavier spring might help with the bouncing. I am not sure if we have those, but I can check. I am on vacation, but will be back in the office on Monday if you want to send another e-mail or call. Re: Tropicana 50' boxcar - I don't know where to start as SHS never made a 50' boxcar or anything decorated for Tropicana. I suspect these are either American Models or DesPlaines. I am sorry I cannot help... Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. PS You might want to contact the mfgs. about problems before you post to the e-groups. Just a thought... On Sep 7, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Scott wrote: > Hey, > I've got two problems that I was wondering if others had and if they had found solutions to them. > > 1. Showcase Circus Cars - We have a Showcase circus car set. We ran into a problem where with those heavy Diecast trailers, a bump in the track would cause the trucks to buckle and the cars to drag to a stop. Everytime this happens, the trucks have to be reset and the train will continue fine. I have pretty much narrowed down the issue to the sprung trucks and was wondering if the springs were just too weak to support those cars. > > 2. Tropicana Box 50' car - I don't know where to start with this car. I'm not sure if we got a bad car, but the frame does not want to sit under the car and the car tends to lean. Plus, after three laps, the truck screws will come undone and the car will fall to pieces. > > I'm in no way trying to put down these companys' products. I simply want to find a way to make these cars works as good as they roll. > > Sincerely, > Scott Miller > Technician and Electrician of the S-Modulators > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65829	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/7/2011
Subject: Re: Showcase Circus and Tropicana

----- Original Message ----- From: Scott . . . . . . . . . a bump in the track would cause the trucks to buckle and the cars to drag to a stop. . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen many derailments on model railroads, but have never seen trucks buckle. But I would suggest you do something about the bump in the track. Eyeball-inspection will tell you if the truck springs are extended or compressed. Have a look. I suspect they are not compressed, at least not very much. I also suggest you roll the offending cars thru the problem area very slowly and watch carefully. You will probably see the problem. Make sure the axle journals are properly seated in the journal bearings. Sometimes with those early SHS trucks with the sideframes canted in, you can't always tell at first glance. < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < Tropicana Box 50' car - . . . . . . . . the frame does not want to sit under the car and the car tends to lean. Plus, after three laps, the truck screws will come undone and the car will fall to pieces. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The American Models 50 foot boxcars can have a problem with the floor not seating properly in the superstructure. You just have to spread the bottom of the body and watch carefully as you assemble it. Then put it on the track and see if it sits level. Never heard of truck screws coming loose that fast, but unscrew the trucks, put a dab of GoopT or silicone putty on the screws, then screw them back in. Try one a little loose and then tighten the other one about as far as it will go, then back off just enough to allow it to swivel Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich http://michmod.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65830	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/7/2011
Subject: New 2012 Edition TM American Flyer S Gauge Price and Rarity Guide

The third edition of the TM Books American Flyer Price and Rarity Guide (1946 - 2011) will be issuing in early October. For those going to York, it should be available from several retailers and from TM Books. Gilbert S gauge plus all Lionel AF production (up to and including Lionel 2011 Book 2) are listed. Included are important Gilbert variations, all cataloged sets and set contents, significant uncataloged sets, accessories, and the most complete listing of Lionel AF (sets, set contents, individual numbers of the 2-, 3-, and 4-packs, train club cars, etc.) to be found anywhere. The most complete listing of Gilbert paper is offered, as well. Current prices and rarity ratings are featured. See: _http://www.tmbv.com/American-Flyer-Price-Rarity-Guide-2012-Edition-brS-Gaug e-1946-2011/productinfo/AFPG12/_ (http://www.tmbv.com/American-Flyer-Price-Rarity-Guide-2012-Edition-brS-Gauge-1946-2011/productinfo/AFPG12/) Bob Bubeck Midland, MI [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65831	From: JOHN and CAROL	Date: 9/8/2011
Subject: Train Show in Idaho

If you'll be in the Boise, Idaho area this weekend, you're invited to attend the Treasure Valley Train Expo in Caldwell. The Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers will be presenting Lookout Junction, fresh from its appearance at the National Train Show in Sacramento. One of the exciting new features of this expanded layout is the RC helicopter, launched from its helipad near the Lookout Junction Airport. The show will be held in the O'Connor Field House in Caldwell, Idaho. Take Exit 29 off I-84 and cross the railroad tracks to 22nd and Blaine Streets. The Treasure Valley Train Expo runs Friday through Sunday, Sept. 9-11. YourS, John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65832	From: Scott	Date: 9/8/2011
Subject: Re: Showcase Circus and Tropicana

Thanks Tom. The problem really with the Showcase cars is that the springs are not strong enough. To remedy this, I tried the American Models 50 ton trucks and the cars run great now since the trucks wont buckle under the weight of those Die-cast trailers. As for the American models Tropicana, Im am going to tack is back together and use a metal plate to stiffen the frame. Thanks for all of your help. Scott --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@...> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott > . . . . . . . . . a bump in the track would cause the trucks to buckle and > the cars to drag to a stop. . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen many derailments on model railroads, but have never seen trucks > buckle. But I would suggest you do something about the bump in the track. > > Eyeball-inspection will tell you if the truck springs are extended or > compressed. Have a look. I suspect they are not compressed, at least not > very much. > > I also suggest you roll the offending cars thru the problem area very slowly > and watch carefully. You will probably see the problem. Make sure the axle > journals are properly seated in the journal bearings. Sometimes with those > early SHS trucks with the sideframes canted in, you can't always tell at > first glance. > < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < > Tropicana Box 50' car - . . . . . . . . the frame does not want to sit under > the car and the car tends to lean. Plus, after three laps, the truck screws > will come undone and the car will fall to pieces. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The American Models 50 foot boxcars can have a problem with the floor not > seating properly in the superstructure. You just have to spread the bottom > of the body and watch carefully as you assemble it. Then put it on the > track and see if it sits level. > > Never heard of truck screws coming loose that fast, but unscrew the trucks, > put a dab of GoopT or silicone putty on the screws, then screw them back in. > Try one a little loose and then tighten the other one about as far as it > will go, then back off just enough to allow it to swivel > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich > http://michmod.com/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65833	From: John Degnan	Date: 9/8/2011
Subject: Re: WANTED : AM FA-2/FB-2 Shells

I have managed to find ONE AM FB-2 shells, but I need two more. I have not yet found any AM FA-2 shells, so I still need three. Anyone got any spares? Or better yet, does anyone know for sure if AM sells their shells separately, and if so, for what price? John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65834	From: jvmandell	Date: 9/8/2011
Subject: TRAIN SHOW ORANGE CT OCTOBER 9TH 2011

The New Haven and Derby Model Railroad Club, Inc. (an affiliate of The Orange Historical Society) will be holding it's 19th annual model train show on Sunday October 9, 2011 from 9:30AM–3:30PM at High Plains Community Center 525 Orange Center Road (route 152) in Orange, CT. Mapquest: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&country=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=home&formtype=address&popflag=0&latitude=&longitude=&name=&phone=&level=&cat=&address=525+Orange+Center+Road&city=Orange&state=ct&zipcode= The building is minutes from Interstate 95's exit 41 and exit 56 of the Wilbur Cross Parkway (CT 15). It is handicap accessible and has plenty of free parking. All Scales and eras will be represented with between 90-100 vendor tables featuring locomotives, rolling stock, books, accessories, clothing, scenery, buildings and railroad memorabilia. The Valley "HO" Railroad Club, Valley "N"-Trak Railroad Club and the Connecticut "G" Scale Railroad Club will have their modular operating layouts set up for viewing and their members will gladly answer any questions you may have. In addition we will have smaller kid friendly "S" Gauge and "T" track layout, and clinics. There will be door prizes at least every hour and a dining car to satisfy your hunger. All in all there will be something for every member of the family. Donations are: adults $5.00, teens (12-18 with adult) $1.00 and under 12 free. For more information contact Chairman John (Duke) O'Connell by phone at (203)389-8967 or by e-mail at oconnelljohnj@... or www.newhaven-derbymodelrailroadclub.org to find out more about us.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65835	From: Robert Conner	Date: 9/8/2011
Subject: Re: New 2012 Edition TM American Flyer S Gauge Price and Rarity Guid

BOB....IF ALL GOES WELL CAN I PICK UP MY AUTOGRAPHED COPY AT THE FIRE HALL ON SUNDAY.... 10TH..... BOB CONNER --- On Wed, 9/7/11, rbubeck327@... <rbubeck327@...> wrote: From: rbubeck327@... <rbubeck327@...> Subject: [S-Trains] New 2012 Edition TM American Flyer S Gauge Price and Rarity Guide To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 7, 2011, 6:12 PM   The third edition of the TM Books American Flyer Price and Rarity Guide (1946 - 2011) will be issuing in early October. For those going to York, it should be available from several retailers and from TM Books. Gilbert S gauge plus all Lionel AF production (up to and including Lionel 2011 Book 2) are listed. Included are important Gilbert variations, all cataloged sets and set contents, significant uncataloged sets, accessories, and the most complete listing of Lionel AF (sets, set contents, individual numbers of the 2-, 3-, and 4-packs, train club cars, etc.) to be found anywhere. The most complete listing of Gilbert paper is offered, as well. Current prices and rarity ratings are featured. See: _http://www.tmbv.com/American-Flyer-Price-Rarity-Guide-2012-Edition-brS-Gaug e-1946-2011/productinfo/AFPG12/_ (http://www.tmbv.com/American-Flyer-Price-Rarity-Guide-2012-Edition-brS-Gauge-1946-2011/productinfo/AFPG12/) Bob Bubeck Midland, MI [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65836	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 9/8/2011
Subject: Re: WANTED : AM FA-2/FB-2 Shells

John, AM does sell their car-body shells separately. When I purchased some PA shells about 5 years ago, they were $50 each. Lee Johnson Walnut Creek,CA On Sep 8, 2011, at 2:28 PM, John Degnan wrote: > I have managed to find ONE AM FB-2 shells, but I need two more. > > I have not yet found any AM FA-2 shells, so I still need three. > > Anyone got any spares? > > Or better yet, does anyone know for sure if AM sells their shells separately, and if so, for what price? > > John Degnan > Scaler164@... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65837	From: Thorin	Date: 9/9/2011
Subject: Re: WANTED : AM FA-2/FB-2 Shells

Dear John: If you want semi-intact shell, AM sells them for half price. I wanted a pair of F unit shells with intact cabs for a double-ended electric locomotive project that never got off the ground. (Justification: the GN Y1 electric that was rebuilt with EMD cabs.) I only needed the noses to be intact for about an inch behind the cab. The cabs are great! The back ends are in sad shape. Dear Group: Ron will sell anything he produces, in whole or in parts, if you ask nicely. A couple of years ago I needed ONE AAR B sideframe assembly like the trucks under the old AM/SHS RS-1 or the newer U-Boat. I wanted to replace a set of EMD Blumburg sideframes. I have no idea what he sold me but with a little adjusting, it works great! I also have a PA-1 mechanism, an FM mechanism, two GG-1 mechanisms, and a pile of empty AM boxes. (The latter made for a very large, almost weightless box.) Thorin --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Lee Johnson <leemax@...> wrote: John, AM does sell their car-body shells separately. When I purchased some PA shells about 5 years ago, they were $50 each. Lee Johnson Walnut Creek,CA On Sep 8, 2011, at 2:28 PM, John Degnan wrote: I have managed to find ONE AM FB-2 shells, but I need two more. I have not yet found any AM FA-2 shells, so I still need three. Anyone got any spares? Or better yet, does anyone know for sure if AM sells their shells separately, and if so, for what price? John Degnan Scaler164@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65838	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/9/2011
Subject: Re: New 2011 Edition TM American Flyer S Gauge Price and Rarity Guid

Not on the 10th, but I would be delighted to sign your copy later during York week. Bob B. In a message dated 9/9/2011 6:46:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: 5a. _Re: New 2012 Edition TM American Flyer S Gauge Price and Rarity Guid _ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/65835;_ylc=X3oDMTJwcWs0dmcwBF9T Azk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTgzNQRzZWMD ZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMzE1NTY1MTU2) Posted by: "Robert Conner" _rcon7@... _ (mailto:rcon7@...?Subject= Re:%20New%202012%20Edition%20TM%20American%20Flyer%20S%20Gauge%20Price%20and%20Rarity%20Guid) _rcon7@... _ (http://profiles.yahoo.com/rcon7@...) Thu Sep 8, 2011 3:19 pm (PDT) BOB....IF ALL GOES WELL CAN I PICK UP MY AUTOGRAPHED COPY AT THE FIRE HALL ON SUNDAY.... 10TH..... BOB CONNER [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65839	From: Dave	Date: 9/9/2011
Subject: PRR E&T Dulux Metallic Gold Decal Set

We have just posted a NEW SET of METALLIC DULUX GOLD decals for the AF #282 style PACIFIC engine & tender unit at our web site. This set features the PRR KEYSTONE HERALD in DULUX GOLD & RED. This set also has gold pin stripes. FREE SHIPPING at the site is always included. For further info. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP. To view please use the link below to view: LBRE Web Site: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65840	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/10/2011
Subject: Show Dates

HAMBURG DUTCH TRAIN MEET--Sunday September 11, 9 AM to 1 PM, Hamburg Field House, Pine St in Hamburg, PA. $ 5.00 Admission, FREE Parking,. Great FOOD, Ralph--610-987-3144 Original GILBERTSVILL Train Meet, Sunday September 18, Gilbertsville Fire Station, Rt 73 East, Gilbertsville, PA $ 4.00 Admision, FREE Parking, Mark-215-657-2477 _markvleh@..._ (mailto:markvleh@...) RCTHS Train Meet--Sunday October 2, 9 AM til 1 PM, Leesport Farmers Market, off Rt 61 Northbound, Leesport, PA. $ 4.00, 12 & under Free--FREE Parking--Great FOOD by Boy Scouts--Dale--610-372-3759 _dalem1955@..._ (mailto:dalem1955@...) PARADISE TRI-CENtennial & PVMR Train Meet & Operating Displays--Saturday Nov 26 & Sunday Nov 27, 9 AM til 4 PM both days----Paradise Twp Bldg, 2 Township Drive, Paradise, PA 17562 $2.00 Admission, 12 & under FREE--FREE Parking---Lite Fare Available O--S--HO Operating layouts, Trains for sale, _www.paradisetownship.org_ (http://www.paradisetownship.org) _http://www.gartrain.com/PEQUEA_VALLEY_TRAINS.html_ (http://www.gartrain.com/PEQUEA_VALLEY_TRAINS.html) Jim Lyle--717-278-6007 _wjjim@..._ (mailto:wjjim@...) DISPLAYS OPEN EVERY SATURDAY & SUNDAY DECEMBER & JANUARY EXCEPT CHRISTMAS DAY 1 TO 4 PM-- Admission $ 2.00 Adults, 12 & under FREE--FREE Parking--multi-tickets available [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65841	From: Eric	Date: 9/10/2011
Subject: 2 ITEMS STILL FOR SALE - LIONEL FLYER

Trains for sale Posted by: "Eric" ericrhere@... traintracks01 Date: Sat Sep 3, 2011 9:52 am ((PDT)) I have some Lionel-Flyer Items for sale. I bought a collection to get some items I wanted and was left with a bunch of extra stuff. These UP cars are getting hard to find and will work great with the new Challengers coming out! #1-- sold #2 -- sold #3-- 6-48978 UP Set of 4 heavyweight passenger Cars $310.00 SHIPPING INCLUDED TO THE USA-48 #4-- sold #5-- 6-48550 Great Northern depressed center flat with cannisters. $37.00 SHIPPING INCLUDED TO THE USA-48 #6-- sold Make me an offer. $325 FOR BOTH TAKES THEM! All of these are new in the box, sets have the outer grouping box. I will Ebay these after the Labor day holiday so here is an early chance. Make me an offer, the more the better. Thanks. Checks and paypal both work. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa 98028. ericrhere@... ebay= er099, NASG since 86, TCA since 87. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65842	From: Dave	Date: 9/10/2011
Subject: AF Tender Truck NEW Pivot Assembly

By popular request we produced a replacement for the 3 piece mounting system that GILBERT used to mount trucks to tenders from 1946 thru 1958 and some beyond that. Our NEW INSULATING PIVOT POST allows the hobbiest to mount the trucks using a 6/32 screw and nut and does away with the solid rivet which saves a lotttttt of money and aggrevation. Yes, this NEW part fits the NORTHERN tenders as well as the rest prior to 1958. Please use the link below to view this new product. http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html Thank you all for your continuing support. DAve LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65843	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/10/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/11/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 11, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 4 minutes. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65844	From: Dave	Date: 9/11/2011
Subject: AF E&T "L" Steps (NEW)

Our KIT BASHING CLIENTS have asked us to produce some "L" steps for their kit bashing projects so here they are. You know who you are so come and get them. For further info PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP. To view these new items please use the link below: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65845	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 9/11/2011
Subject: Re: AF E&T "L" Steps (NEW)

Hi Dave: I know that you have been making many details parts for incorporation onto AF and other type engines, including trailing trucks. As you know, Lionel made the big boys with outsize (O gauge?) trailing and tender trucks (electrical pickup?). I don't know how many Big Boys were sold, but is there a reasonable market for making replacement trucks in S scale for this engine? Carl Tuveson has fixed his Big Boy by reducing the width of the trucks (quite involved) and has offered to do this for others at a cost. The cost is somewhere close to 3/8ths of the price for the Big Boy - a cost that is undoubtedly commensurate with the work that has to be done, but a little high, nonetheless. Would there be a savings in cost by making these trucks for the 'after purchase' market? I assume (possibly incorrectly) that Lionel won't do anything to fix this, so based on your previous making of parts and knowledge as to what would be involved, would this be something that you could make available to the purchasers of the Big Boys? I would have written to you directly, but would rather see what other people on the S-Trains list might say. You might even be able to get a count of the numbers needed by previous Big Boy purchasers. Thanks for considering this - it probably is something out of the blue and quite expensive to get mixed up in. regards, Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 9/11/2011 16:49, Dave wrote: > > Our KIT BASHING CLIENTS have asked us to produce some "L" steps for > their kit bashing projects so here they are. You know who you are so > come and get them. For further info PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP. To > view these new items please use the link below: > > > http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html > > Thank you all for your continuing support. > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65846	From: Paul	Date: 9/11/2011
Subject: new S scale trucks was AF E&T "L" Steps (NEW)

personally, with the 4-6-6-4 Challanger supposedly close I would wait a bit. if Lionel has redone the trucks for these, then hopefully they can be bought as a repair item and used on the 4-8-8-4. if they have not changed them, then your sales opportunuty could theoretically double. paul in sw ohio On 9/11/2011 1:23 PM, Rance Velapoldi wrote: > > Hi Dave: > I know that you have been making many details parts for incorporation > onto AF and other type engines, including trailing trucks. As you > know, Lionel made the big boys with outsize (O gauge?) trailing and > tender trucks (electrical pickup?). I don't know how many Big Boys were > sold, but is there a reasonable market for making replacement trucks in > S scale for this engine? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65847	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 9/11/2011
Subject: Re: AF E&T "L" Steps (NEW)

Rance,      This is totally out of the question as LIONEL has all of the rights to this engine and its parts. Sorry. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc --- On Sun, 9/11/11, Rance Velapoldi <rvelapoldi@...> wrote: From: Rance Velapoldi <rvelapoldi@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF E&T "L" Steps (NEW) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 11, 2011, 1:23 PM   Hi Dave: I know that you have been making many details parts for incorporation onto AF and other type engines, including trailing trucks. As you know, Lionel made the big boys with outsize (O gauge?) trailing and tender trucks (electrical pickup?). I don't know how many Big Boys were sold, but is there a reasonable market for making replacement trucks in S scale for this engine? Carl Tuveson has fixed his Big Boy by reducing the width of the trucks (quite involved) and has offered to do this for others at a cost. The cost is somewhere close to 3/8ths of the price for the Big Boy - a cost that is undoubtedly commensurate with the work that has to be done, but a little high, nonetheless. Would there be a savings in cost by making these trucks for the 'after purchase' market? I assume (possibly incorrectly) that Lionel won't do anything to fix this, so based on your previous making of parts and knowledge as to what would be involved, would this be something that you could make available to the purchasers of the Big Boys? I would have written to you directly, but would rather see what other people on the S-Trains list might say. You might even be able to get a count of the numbers needed by previous Big Boy purchasers. Thanks for considering this - it probably is something out of the blue and quite expensive to get mixed up in. regards, Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 9/11/2011 16:49, Dave wrote: > > Our KIT BASHING CLIENTS have asked us to produce some "L" steps for > their kit bashing projects so here they are. You know who you are so > come and get them. For further info PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP. To > view these new items please use the link below: > > > http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html > > Thank you all for your continuing support. > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65848	From: Dave	Date: 9/11/2011
Subject: EXTEND-A-TENDER KIT IS READY

Our new EXTEND-A-TENDER kit for the AF A&P plastic tender is ready for the kit bashers to take over and do their thing with it. A very simple kit to use. Just cut off the rear section of an AF plastic about 1mm aft of the last rivet row being sure the cut is square and true. Dry fit and file as necessary to get a tight fit. Then epoxy the new aft section in place, the 3 aligning tabs will make this easy. Paint and letter tender. After that you can use the chassis from an AF #312 and you are ready to go. To view the kit please use the link below. FOR FURTHER INFO. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP. http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. Keep them coming. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65849	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/11/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/11/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 11, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65850	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 9/11/2011
Subject: 162 Factory Kit

More mis-adventures in cardstock.. http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/6432963617 Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65851	From: Jonathan Hatfield	Date: 9/11/2011
Subject: Sibley AF Display layout with SHS track?

Hello group, I am thinking of building a variation of the Sibley AF display layout. Has anyone built the layout with S Helper track? It seems like it would lend itself perfectly to that design and would look a lot better (in my opinion). Seems like you could do a really nice Hi-rail layout that way, especially with a few tweaks. Regards, Jonathan Blog: http://RailfanX.blogspot.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/jonnyspeed Linked In: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jhatfield [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65852	From: Dave	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: NEW SMOKE UNIT

Well the kit bashers have done it again. We will have a NEW SMOKE UNIT ready soon. This is the passive style (no mechanical parts) unit that will fit into the smoke stack of most if not all pre-1966 AF steam engines and can be adapted for other engines and structures. It will have a rather large capacity (15-25 drops of fluid) and will operate by ram air passing over the smoke stack top. This unit will consist of top: female threaded chamber with smoke tube. Bottom: male threaded reservoir with elec. power lugs. INSERT: contains limiting disc with smoke wick & heating element (uses same wick & wire that is avaliable for the pre-1966 AF smoke units). This unit uses our "SMOKE CLOUD" brand smoke fluid. Use of other brands is at the risk of the purchaser. For more info. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP. Thank you all for the GREAT IDEAS :o). Please keep them coming!! Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65853	From: Wayne B.	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Re: AF E&T "L" Steps (NEW)

Put me on the list to buy a BIG BOY trailing truck.  I'd buy them.   Wayne Broadhead Kaysville, Utah [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65854	From: Monte	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: S Scale marine products

I just found an interesting S scale manufacturer, Frenchman River Model Works, www.frenchmanriver.com . They have marine products in HO, S and O. The S scale models include a 50' costal steamer , a 68' steel flush deck barge and a variety of parts. Even the other scale parts are useable as many perts in 1:1 scale come in a wide variety of sizes. I have used their parts to add detail to several vessels I scratch built for my Calabash Terminal Rail Road and I just ordered the steamer and barge. I was quite impressed with the quality of the parts they sent me. Monte Heppe

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65855	From: piccu56	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT

How about a gearing kit or smoker assembly to make the original smokers 1/4 time so they sound real. D --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > > Well the kit bashers have done it again. We will have a NEW SMOKE UNIT ready soon. This is the passive style (no mechanical parts) unit that will fit into the smoke stack of most if not all pre-1966 AF steam engines and can be adapted for other engines and structures. It will have a rather large capacity (15-25 drops of fluid) and will operate by ram air passing over the smoke stack top. This unit will consist of top: female threaded chamber with smoke tube. Bottom: male threaded reservoir with elec. power lugs. INSERT: contains limiting disc with smoke wick & heating element (uses same wick & wire that is avaliable for the pre-1966 AF smoke units). This unit uses our "SMOKE CLOUD" brand smoke fluid. Use of other brands is at the risk of the purchaser. For more info. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP. > Thank you all for the GREAT IDEAS :o). Please keep them coming!! > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65856	From: frank emiro	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT

can you put an email address ? Frank R. EMIRO From: Dave <lbrenterprisesllc@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 8:43 AM Subject: [S-Trains] NEW SMOKE UNIT   Well the kit bashers have done it again. We will have a NEW SMOKE UNIT ready soon. This is the passive style (no mechanical parts) unit that will fit into the smoke stack of most if not all pre-1966 AF steam engines and can be adapted for other engines and structures. It will have a rather large capacity (15-25 drops of fluid) and will operate by ram air passing over the smoke stack top. This unit will consist of top: female threaded chamber with smoke tube. Bottom: male threaded reservoir with elec. power lugs. INSERT: contains limiting disc with smoke wick & heating element (uses same wick & wire that is avaliable for the pre-1966 AF smoke units). This unit uses our "SMOKE CLOUD" brand smoke fluid. Use of other brands is at the risk of the purchaser. For more info. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP. Thank you all for the GREAT IDEAS :o). Please keep them coming!! Dave LBR Enterprises, llc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65857	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT

lbrenterprisesllc@...   --- On Mon, 9/12/11, frank emiro <femiro2002@...> wrote: From: frank emiro <femiro2002@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NEW SMOKE UNIT To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, September 12, 2011, 2:32 PM   can you put an email address ? Frank R. EMIRO From: Dave <lbrenterprisesllc@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 8:43 AM Subject: [S-Trains] NEW SMOKE UNIT   Well the kit bashers have done it again. We will have a NEW SMOKE UNIT ready soon. This is the passive style (no mechanical parts) unit that will fit into the smoke stack of most if not all pre-1966 AF steam engines and can be adapted for other engines and structures. It will have a rather large capacity (15-25 drops of fluid) and will operate by ram air passing over the smoke stack top. This unit will consist of top: female threaded chamber with smoke tube. Bottom: male threaded reservoir with elec. power lugs. INSERT: contains limiting disc with smoke wick & heating element (uses same wick & wire that is avaliable for the pre-1966 AF smoke units). This unit uses our "SMOKE CLOUD" brand smoke fluid. Use of other brands is at the risk of the purchaser. For more info. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP. Thank you all for the GREAT IDEAS :o). Please keep them coming!! Dave LBR Enterprises, llc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65858	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT

That is something to think about if enough people are interested in buying one. Dave LBR Emnterprises, llc --- On Mon, 9/12/11, piccu56 <piccu56@...> wrote: From: piccu56 <piccu56@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 12, 2011, 2:05 PM   How about a gearing kit or smoker assembly to make the original smokers 1/4 time so they sound real. D --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > > Well the kit bashers have done it again. We will have a NEW SMOKE UNIT ready soon. This is the passive style (no mechanical parts) unit that will fit into the smoke stack of most if not all pre-1966 AF steam engines and can be adapted for other engines and structures. It will have a rather large capacity (15-25 drops of fluid) and will operate by ram air passing over the smoke stack top. This unit will consist of top: female threaded chamber with smoke tube. Bottom: male threaded reservoir with elec. power lugs. INSERT: contains limiting disc with smoke wick & heating element (uses same wick & wire that is avaliable for the pre-1966 AF smoke units). This unit uses our "SMOKE CLOUD" brand smoke fluid. Use of other brands is at the risk of the purchaser. For more info. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP. > Thank you all for the GREAT IDEAS :o). Please keep them coming!! > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65859	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT

Yes I would be interested in some sort of gearing that gives 4 exhaust per rev. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65860	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT

I am not sure that 4 chuffs per revolution is practical with a mechanical piston chuffer unless you run at very slow speeds. American Models uses 2 chuffs per driver and it is much more realistic than only one per rev.. That is probably much easier to design too. I would like to see a 2 per revolution conversion device IMHO. Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65861	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Chuff chuff chuff chuff

----- Original Message ----- From: carl@... I am not sure that 4 chuffs per revolution is practical with a mechanical piston chuffer unless you run at very slow speeds. American Models uses 2 chuffs per driver . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .\ One of our club members came to monthly meeting and showed how he had converted an AM pacific to 4 chuffs per revolution. It wasn't hard (for him), but I couldn't tell you exactly what he did. Tom Hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65862	From: Carey Probst	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT

I would need about 10, depending on the price of course. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 9/12/2011 3:17 PM, Ron Inscho wrote: > > Yes I would be interested in some sort of gearing that gives 4 exhaust > per rev. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65863	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Multiple chuffs

On a real steam locomotive, when the piston in each cylinder moves forward, that's one chuff, and when it moves back that's two. Each side chuffs two times per revolution, totaling four chuffs. Old Flyer "smoke and choo-choo" chuffs at a much slower rate, but you can hear each chuff it makes distinctly up to the highest speeds. I suspect this was done on purpose so that every chuff could be heard, even at the unprototypically high speeds toy trains are often run at. At slow speeds, a four chuff per revolution sound is correct and sounds good. However, as speeds increase, four chuffs per revolution becomes just a "blur" of sound. What is prototypically correct chuff timing, doesn't always sound as good as incorrect timing. MTH got around this problem in O gauge by using seperate smoke and sound systems. The sound is sychronized, but the smoke is blown out by a blower fan and the chuffs are indistinct. While the S gauge engines made in recent years like American Models, S Helper Service, and for the most part Lionel, have very good sound and smoke systems, they were designed that way from the outset. Retrofitting old Flyer engines will be a completely different problem, particularly if the change must be done by the customer. The assembly must be reasonably easy, and the price must be appealing as well. There will also be those who will want a prototypical sound, while others will prefer the more distinct, but incorrect chuffs, clouding the market size. Covering these bases will not be easy. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65864	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Re: Multiple chuffs

Did any of us ever witness a New York Central J-3 or a Niagara at speed like about 80 to 90 mph ? Well I did & Stumpy You are right , the four exhaust do get lost at this speed sounding more like steady roar not unlike a jet plane at that speed . But none the less it was pretty neat . Ron in the flatlands of Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65865	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT

Dave: Don't know about the 1/4 beat, but I'd be interested in making the 0-8-0s and 0-6-0s chuff a little faster! I remember how disappointed I was when I got my first 0-8-0. I had always wanted one, then I got one and couldn't believe how weird it chuffed. Steve Please note: message attached From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:48:30 -0700 (PDT) ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4e6ea1db9f8713d2a05st05duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65866	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT

What kind of "RISK" would be involved by not using your brand of smoke fluid? In a message dated 9/12/2011 7:30:17 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lbrenterprisesllc@... writes: Well the kit bashers have done it again. We will have a NEW SMOKE UNIT ready soon. This is the passive style (no mechanical parts) unit that will fit into the smoke stack of most if not all pre-1966 AF steam engines and can be adapted for other engines and structures. It will have a rather large capacity (15-25 drops of fluid) and will operate by ram air passing over the smoke stack top. This unit will consist of top: female threaded chamber with smoke tube. Bottom: male threaded reservoir with elec. power lugs. INSERT: contains limiting disc with smoke wick & heating element (uses same wick & wire that is avaliable for the pre-1966 AF smoke units). This unit uses our "SMOKE CLOUD" brand smoke fluid. Use of other brands is at the risk of the purchaser. For more info. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP. Thank you all for the GREAT IDEAS :o). Please keep them coming!! Dave LBR Enterprises, llc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65867	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Re: Multiple chuffs

All right in theory but not in practice what you hear are sets of chuffs. With two cylinders you hear two chuffs, pause followed by two more and so on. With three cylinders - as with the British LNER locos you hear chuff chuff chuff , pause, chuff chuff chuff.  With four - chuff chuff chuff chuff, pause, chuff chuff chuff chuff. Have alisten to the real things on YouTube or wherever. And for goodness sake fellows leave the poor litte things alone - they are toys and if you aren't after the original nostalgic sounds then give it away! Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:03:24 -0000 Subject:[S-Trains] Multiple chuffs   On a real steam locomotive, when the piston in each cylinder moves forward, that's one chuff, and when it moves back that's two. Each side chuffs two times per revolution, totaling four chuffs. Old Flyer "smoke and choo-choo" chuffs at a much slower rate, but you can hear each chuff it makes distinctly up to the highest speeds. I suspect this was done on purpose so that every chuff could be heard, even at the unprototypically high speeds toy trains are often run at. At slow speeds, a four chuff per revolution sound is correct and sounds good. However, as speeds increase, four chuffs per revolution becomes just a "blur" of sound. What is prototypically correct chuff timing, doesn't always sound as good as incorrect timing. MTH got around this problem in O gauge by using seperate smoke and sound systems. The sound is sychronized, but the smoke is blown out by a blower fan and the chuffs are indistinct. While the S gauge engines made in recent years like American Models, S Helper Service, and for the most part Lionel, have very good sound and smoke systems, they were designed that way from the outset. Retrofitting old Flyer engines will be a completely different problem, particularly if the change must be done by the customer. The assembly must be reasonably easy, and the price must be appealing as well. There will also be those who will want a prototypical sound, while others will prefer the more distinct, but incorrect chuffs, clouding the market size. Covering these bases will not be easy. Stumpy in Ahia ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:mrstumpy@...?subject=Re%3A%20Multiple%20chuffs [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Multiple%20chuffs [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbDk1Ym5uBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTg2MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTU4Njg5NDY-?act=reply&messageNum=65863 [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjbmZkdnVzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTU4Njg5NDY- [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/65863;_ylc=X3oDMTM0MHZ1NnNjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTg2MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTU4Njg5NDYEdHBjSWQDNjU4NjM- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkdmpuM242BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzE1ODY4OTQ2?o=6 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjMzdrcG1jBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMTU4Njg5NDY- [8] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ [9] http://global.ardyahoo.com/SIG=15ola7k35/M=791726.14854538.14596965.10835568/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1315876146/L=36919864-dd94-11e0-a14c-178b5350e78c/B=32DRQ9j8fdA-/J=1315868946179753/K=PejS0sT.XuLrpEafkSN3HQ/A=6486202/R=0/SIG=130podige/*http://www.freecreditscore.com/dni/default.aspx?SiteVersionID=997&sc=671266&bcd=YGROUPS_600Blw [10] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15o1lb0o4/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1315876146/L=36919864-dd94-11e0-a14c-178b5350e78c/B=4GDRQ9j8fdA-/J=1315868946179753/K=PejS0sT.XuLrpEafkSN3HQ/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJibWZrOGEwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMxNTg2ODk0Ng-- [12] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [13] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [14] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65868	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT

Least they would be better than the Franklin or the delux Casey Jones where you can't hear the chuff for the squeaks and groans from the rest of the mechanism! Alistair  ' ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:19:45 GMT Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT   Dave: Don't know about the 1/4 beat, but I'd be interested in making the 0-8-0s and 0-6-0s chuff a little faster! I remember how disappointed I was when I got my first 0-8-0. I had always wanted one, then I got one and couldn't believe how weird it chuffed. Steve Please note: message attached From: Dave at LBR Enterprises To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:48:30 -0700 (PDT) __________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4e6ea1db9f8713d2a05st05duc [3] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,____ Reply to sender [4] | Reply to group [5] | Reply via web post [6] | Start a New Topic [7] Messages in this topic [8] (9) Recent Activity: * New Members [9] 2 Visit Your Group [10] Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [11] MARKETPLACE A Bad Credit Score is 600 or Below. Your Score? Find out at freecreditscore.com. [12] ------------------------- Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. [13] [14] Switch to: Text-Only [15], Daily Digest [16] • Unsubscribe [17] • Terms of Use [18] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://wwwadam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:lbrenterprisesllc%40yahoo.com [2] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [3] http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4e6ea1db9f8713d2a05st05duc [4] mailto:schwartzsj@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Re%3A%20NEW%20SMOKE%20UNIT [5] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Re%3A%20NEW%20SMOKE%20UNIT [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvY3Y2bjUzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTg2NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTU4NzQ1NDg-?act=reply&messageNum=65865 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjOGdyZHJvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTU4NzQ1NDg- [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/65852;_ylc=X3oDMTM0cDNmNmJmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTg2NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTU4NzQ1NDgEdHBjSWQDNjU4NTI- [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkYW5oYms1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzE1ODc0NTQ4?o=6 [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjaDhlMG5pBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMTU4NzQ1NDg- [11] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ [12] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15o4mou3a/M=791726.14854538.1459696510835568/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1315881749/L=4222c2ea-dda1-11e0-b56f-2bf03a65a037/B=GXR6SEPDhFI-/J=1315874549040496/K=hPMGJtFykWWALVFV3yrVGg/A=6486202/R=0/SIG=130podige/*http://www.freecreditscore.com/dni/default.aspx?SiteVersionID=997&sc=671266&bcd=YGROUPS_600Blw [13] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15olmld1e/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1315881749/L=4222c2ea-dda1-11e0-b56f-2bf03a65a037/B=GnR6SEPDhFI-/J=1315874549040496/K=hPMGJtFykWWALVFV3yrVGg/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj [14] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiZW8wdnNrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMxNTg3NDU0OA-- [15] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [16] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [17] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [18] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65869	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 9/12/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT

Money for Dave? Just kidding Dave. Mike Marmer From: anormal1@... Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 8:36 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NEW SMOKE UNIT What kind of "RISK" would be involved by not using your brand of smoke fluid? In a message dated 9/12/2011 7:30:17 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mailto:lbrenterprisesllc%40yahoo.com writes: Well the kit bashers have done it again. We will have a NEW SMOKE UNIT ready soon. This is the passive style (no mechanical parts) unit that will fit into the smoke stack of most if not all pre-1966 AF steam engines and can be adapted for other engines and structures. It will have a rather large capacity (15-25 drops of fluid) and will operate by ram air passing over the smoke stack top. This unit will consist of top: female threaded chamber with smoke tube. Bottom: male threaded reservoir with elec. power lugs. INSERT: contains limiting disc with smoke wick & heating element (uses same wick & wire that is avaliable for the pre-1966 AF smoke units). This unit uses our "SMOKE CLOUD" brand smoke fluid. Use of other brands is at the risk of the purchaser. For more info. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP. Thank you all for the GREAT IDEAS :o). Please keep them coming!! Dave LBR Enterprises, llc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65870	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT

The volume of smoke produced would probably decrease. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc   --- On Mon, 9/12/11, anormal1@... <anormal1@...> wrote: From: anormal1@... <anormal1@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NEW SMOKE UNIT To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 12, 2011, 8:36 PM   What kind of "RISK" would be involved by not using your brand of smoke fluid? In a message dated 9/12/2011 7:30:17 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lbrenterprisesllc@... writes: Well the kit bashers have done it again. We will have a NEW SMOKE UNIT ready soon. This is the passive style (no mechanical parts) unit that will fit into the smoke stack of most if not all pre-1966 AF steam engines and can be adapted for other engines and structures. It will have a rather large capacity (15-25 drops of fluid) and will operate by ram air passing over the smoke stack top. This unit will consist of top: female threaded chamber with smoke tube. Bottom: male threaded reservoir with elec. power lugs. INSERT: contains limiting disc with smoke wick & heating element (uses same wick & wire that is avaliable for the pre-1966 AF smoke units). This unit uses our "SMOKE CLOUD" brand smoke fluid. Use of other brands is at the risk of the purchaser. For more info. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP. Thank you all for the GREAT IDEAS :o). Please keep them coming!! Dave LBR Enterprises, llc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65871	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: Re: Multiple chuffs

Amen, Alister. Someone very wise noted that even the most detailed models can't duplicate everything exactly, but should just strive for the "illusion" of reality. We can find all kinds of things in classic Flyer trains that may not be close enough to the real for us. "Steam", AKA smoke, should be coming from the cylinders too, but it doesn't. Do we have to fix that too? Sometimes the "illusion" is better than a more technically accurate reproduction. To my ear, the more modern model locomotive sounds may more accurately duplicate the real thing, but they aren't the real thing, just small models, and it sounds wrong to me. Everyone is free to do what they want with their models, but I prefer the classic Flyer look and sound. Kitbashing is fine and brings many junkers back to life, but the ones I really like are those that are done in the spirit of original Flyer, something that looks like something Flyer could, or should have made. Dale On 9/12/2011 5:06 PM, alizoo@... wrote: > > All right in theory but not in practice what you hear are sets of > chuffs. With two cylinders you hear two chuffs, pause followed by two > more and so on. With three cylinders - as with the British LNER locos > you hear chuff chuff chuff , pause, chuff chuff chuff. With four - > chuff chuff chuff chuff, pause, chuff chuff chuff chuff. Have alisten > to the real things on YouTube or wherever. And for goodness sake > fellows leave the poor litte things alone - they are toys and if you > aren't after the original nostalgic sounds then give it away! > Alistair > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65872	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT

I totally agree with Carl. In addition, running the vintage Flyer slow enough to make a 4:1 viable would reduce the voltage to the smoke unit and reduce the smoke output. Steve SnS Trains. In a message dated 9/12/2011 2:45:33 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, carl@... writes: I am not sure that 4 chuffs per revolution is practical with a mechanical piston chuffer unless you run at very slow speeds. American Models uses 2 chuffs per driver and it is much more realistic than only one per rev.. That is probably much easier to design too. I would like to see a 2 per revolution conversion device IMHO. Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65873	From: tbennerohio	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT

Dave, I couldn't agree more. Making a 342 chuff even once per revolution would be a marked improvement. I would buy that mod in a heartbeat. And don't worry gents, my raggedy old 342 was abused and modified out of collectibility long before it reached my hands. That's why I could afford it. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "schwartzsj@..." <schwartzsj@...> wrote: > > Dave: > > Don't know about the 1/4 beat, but I'd be interested in making the 0-8-0s and 0-6-0s chuff a little faster! I remember how disappointed I was when I got my first 0-8-0. I had always wanted one, then I got one and couldn't believe how weird it chuffed. > > Steve > > Please note: message attached > > From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT > Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:48:30 -0700 (PDT) > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Penny Stock Jumping 3000% > Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4e6ea1db9f8713d2a05st05duc > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65874	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT

I have two originl AF chasses here that have modified gearing to produce multiple chuffs. It is not a difficult change, if one has access to the appropriate gears. It is a kit we have previously considered making available, but one of those "Never got a round tuit." Doug Peck Port Lines --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@...> wrote: > > I am not sure that 4 chuffs per revolution is practical with a mechanical piston chuffer unless you run at very slow speeds. American Models uses 2 chuffs per driver and it is much more realistic than only one per rev.. That is probably much easier to design too. I would like to see a 2 per revolution conversion device IMHO. Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65875	From: johntech2004	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: New Smoker box

Hi Guys Would it be possible to put one of these smoke units in a diesel? I suppose you would need a way to feed air into the smoker box? just asking John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65876	From: Robert Conner	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: Fw: Call yourself a craftsman?

Guys and Gal....I know this is off topic..... Airplanes.... But I wonder what he could do with a LOCO!!!!!! Some of us worry about scale!!!!!! Bob Conner Subject: Call yourself a craftsman? The skills of Young Park (a Hawaii resident) The website is worth a read. http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/park.htm P51 Mustang  Corsair  Using a tweezers, the controls can be moved. All cables and linkages are in place to work the wing control surfaces as well. Young Park has since carved a pilot's face and hands from solid aluminum and built an articulated pilot to sit in the cockpit. (Photo: George F. Lee, Honolulu Star-Bulletin)  Here's pic of fingers and tweezers to give scale......... Sooooo small!!!  Remember this as you look at the pics........... All the controls work as designed, by cables, chains, linkages and levers.  All these controls WORK!!!!!........ And that means they work the parts of the aircraft via rods and chains as in the original aircraft!!!!  Every single part hand made and fitted.  It blows you away, doesn't it???  Don't forget the tiny scale......... Go up again and look at the pic of the fingers and tweezers!  Machine guns and bullets.........  Detail of three ..50 Cal. Machine guns and ammo cans. Ammo cans are loaded outside the aircraft and then simply set into place in the wing. Their doors become the top surface of the wing. This allowed for rapid reloading by the ground crew.  Mr. Park generously donated the first (cutaway) Corsair model to the Joe Martin Foundation. It can be seen in person in its display at the Foundation's museum in the Sherline building in Vista , California . A collection of photos showing how the model was built and all the historical data on the Corsair Mr. Park collected to build it has also been donated and is available for viewing. In 2005, Mr. Park also donated the second corsair and it is also now on display in the Foundation's museum.  Showing the extent of his carving skills, Mr. Park sculpted a pilot's head and hands out of solid aluminum. The articulated figure is dressed in a custom made uniform and can be placed in any position to give a good sense of scale to the model.  P51 MUSTANG  Inside the left wing you can see the .50 cal ammunition threaded into the three wing guns. Each round is machined in 3 parts—brass cartridge with copper bullet and primer and is held together with a small copper feed jacket.  Engine exhaust ports....... Pic taken during assembly.  Control wires are being threaded around their pulleys underneath the cockpit during construction. (Y. Park photo)  The radiator air intake sits under the fuselage ready for installation. Much of the detail of some of the parts is hidden once it is assembled. (Y. Park photo)  The wing being made.............. LOOKIT how SMALL it is  Each panel is hand formed over a wooden shape. The metal is annealed to the proper softness and then pounded and bent into shape. The plane is made up of many individual panels, and the fits between panels are just about perfect. (Y. Park photo)  Here we see the panel above in it's final position. Looks easy now, doesn't it? (Y. Park photo)  The form for the air intake and the final part. As is often the case in machining and model making, fixtures, moulds, formers and jigs to make the final parts can take a long time to make and are never seen by the public viewing the finished model. (Y. Park photo) From: poohbearsleepy@... To: Robertl.Plogman@... Sent: 9/7/2011 5:32:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: Fw: Fwd: Fw: Call yourself a tradesman? ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Michael White mwhite5@... The skills of Young Park (a Hawaii resident). -- Check it out:   www.myqivana.com/maximax

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65877	From: R G	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT

I agree with Carl ,Two chuffs per Rev is enough.  I have a S-Helper Consolidation that can do 4 chuff per revolution but it sounds like it is racing at everything but the very slowest of speeds and since one chuff is very soft it sound also like a three legged horse.  While their deisels run very well the consolidation with their 10 button contol system is not a great performer as the slow speeds are too high.  American Models steam locomotives look and sound good at two chuffs per revolution From: "boss31@..." <boss31@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT   I totally agree with Carl. In addition, running the vintage Flyer slow enough to make a 4:1 viable would reduce the voltage to the smoke unit and reduce the smoke output. Steve SnS Trains. In a message dated 9/12/2011 2:45:33 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, carl@... writes: I am not sure that 4 chuffs per revolution is practical with a mechanical piston chuffer unless you run at very slow speeds. American Models uses 2 chuffs per driver and it is much more realistic than only one per rev.. That is probably much easier to design too. I would like to see a 2 per revolution conversion device IMHO. Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65878	From: Dave	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: AF #342 Tender Kit

NEW KIT arriving 2012; #342 tender shell that will have the option of using as is or adding a lengthening section to operate with the larger/longer engines. For further info. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65879	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT

Dear Steve, Mike and I were at an S Fest with a small display layout a few years (decades?) ago. A attendee came over with an old AC Gilbert AF engine and asked us to test it on our layout. We only had a Digitrax DCC system and gave it a try. I am not sure if it was locked in forward or not. We used the analog address of "O". It ran surprisingly well at low speeds, and smoked great as the track had full voltage. Both Mike and I were impressed. Don On Sep 12, 2011, at 9:34 PM, boss31@... wrote: > I totally agree with Carl. In addition, running the vintage Flyer slow > enough to make a 4:1 viable would reduce the voltage to the smoke unit and > reduce the smoke output. > Steve > SnS Trains. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65880	From: Thorinn Marty	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: AF compatible 'C' truck sideframes

Dear Dave: I like the American Flyer PA sideframes. They look much better on a Geep than the extremely stretched Blumburg truck; even if it is an A-1-A truck. I have been hoping for decades for a C version of this truck. (Uneven axle spacing.) I would be delighted with just the side frames or a complete side frame unit with the frame and knuckle coupler. Here is a link to a photo showing the truck I want. http://www.thedieselshop.us/Alco_RSD4.HTML The Alco PA-1 truck has a wheelbase of 186 inches. The Alco C truck has a wheelbase of 150 inches. (Source: The Second Diesel Spotter's Guide.) Hmm. 186 - 150 = 36. That is 9/16" or over a half inch. Maybe I should pose this to the list to see if there is interest. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65881	From: rick gough	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT

Doug,   Could you put pictures up of the gear modification?  I would think that a 1/2 size smoke piston drive gear with 1/2 as many teeth as the the wheel drive would produce twice the chuffs; or anything close would be a bonus.   Dave,   It will certainly be interesting to see how you get all that stuff to fit down the stack! rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65882	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT

Of course on DCC smoke would be as good as the smoke unit is capable of producing, but.......Not really relevant to the gearing subject as probably 95% of the users out there run standard AC or DC.. Steve In a message dated 9/13/2011 2:31:03 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, don@... writes: Dear Steve, Mike and I were at an S Fest with a small display layout a few years (decades?) ago. A attendee came over with an old AC Gilbert AF engine and asked us to test it on our layout. We only had a Digitrax DCC system and gave it a try. I am not sure if it was locked in forward or not. We used the analog address of "O". It ran surprisingly well at low speeds, and smoked great as the track had full voltage. Both Mike and I were impressed. Don On Sep 12, 2011, at 9:34 PM, _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) wrote: > I totally agree with Carl. In addition, running the vintage Flyer slow > enough to make a 4:1 viable would reduce the voltage to the smoke unit and > reduce the smoke output. > Steve > SnS Trains. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65883	From: Don Thompson	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: Re: NEW SMOKE UNIT

Dear RG, With the Locomatic sound pcb you have the option to change the dip switches for 4, 2 or 1 chuff per revolution. I am not sure which dip switches are used for this option, but it is in the manual provided. Don On Sep 13, 2011, at 8:31 AM, R G wrote: > I agree with Carl ,Two chuffs per Rev is enough. I have a S-Helper Consolidation that can do 4 chuff per revolution but it sounds like it is racing at everything but the very slowest of speeds and since one chuff is very soft it sound also like a three legged horse. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65884	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 9/13/2011
Subject: Re: AF compatible 'C' truck sideframes

Ya know, I thought this would have been viable if AF would have made a DL-600 in S like they made in HO. Don't see its value today, though. BTW, the photo you post is by Gary Baloun, the engine's owner. He's an AF collector/fan himself! I see him almost every time I go to York! Steve Please note: message attached From: Thorinn Marty <lagthor@...> To: dave@... Cc: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] AF compatible 'C' truck sideframes Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:57:21 -0700 (PDT) ____________________________________________________________ 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4e6fff21b33834198f4st04duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65885	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 9/14/2011
Subject: af 300 atlantic

question: how many versions of the af300 did gilbert produce?, i have an original version from 1946, where the reversing lever is under the tender floor, and there are wire handrails from the boiler to the pilot deck? also seperate handrails running the length of the diecast boiler, i have seen other die cast versions with the reverse lever on top of the die cast boiler with no handrails from the boiler to the pilot deck, and with a plastic tender, or a metal tender similar to the original, without the indentation on the side of the original tender thanks very much

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65886	From: R G	Date: 9/14/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic

The first versions of the Atlantic were made of four die cast pices. Boiler, smoke box front, cylinders and piliot. They had wire hand rails and the reverse unit was in the boiler, Later when a smoke unit was installed the reverse unit went into the tender but the loco number was 302. Later they made a one piece diecast locomotive and than Flyer went to the plastic version.  All as cost saving measures. I know of no 300 four piece that was made with the reverse unit in the tender. It may be that the tender came from a later smoke in boiler version. From: "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 11:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] af 300 atlantic   question: how many versions of the af300 did gilbert produce?, i have an original version from 1946, where the reversing lever is under the tender floor, and there are wire handrails from the boiler to the pilot deck? also seperate handrails running the length of the diecast boiler, i have seen other die cast versions with the reverse lever on top of the die cast boiler with no handrails from the boiler to the pilot deck, and with a plastic tender, or a metal tender similar to the original, without the indentation on the side of the original tender thanks very much [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65887	From: Larry Asp	Date: 9/14/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic

There are at least 24 versions of Atlantics. Best documentation of this is in "Doyles Standard Catalaog of American Flyer Trains" book - a book worth aquiring for anyone into Flyer stuff. On 2011-09-14, at 7:55 AM, R G wrote: > The first versions of the Atlantic were made of four die cast pices. Boiler, smoke box front, cylinders and piliot. They had wire hand rails and the reverse unit was in the boiler, Later when a smoke unit was installed the reverse unit went into the tender but the loco number was 302. Later they made a one piece diecast locomotive and than Flyer went to the plastic version. All as cost saving measures. I know of no 300 four piece that was made with the reverse unit in the tender. It may be that the tender came from a later smoke in boiler version. > > > From: "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 11:50 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] af 300 atlantic > > > > question: how many versions of the af300 did gilbert produce?, i have an original version > from 1946, where the reversing lever is under the tender floor, and there are wire handrails > from the boiler to the pilot deck? also seperate handrails running the length of the diecast boiler, i have seen other die cast versions with the reverse lever on top of the die cast boiler > with no handrails from the boiler to the pilot deck, and with a plastic tender, or a metal tender > similar to the original, without the indentation on the side of the original tender > thanks very much > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65888	From: R G	Date: 9/14/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic

The Doyle book is great and I have one and I probably have about 18 of the versions listed. But it is hard to refer to it when I am at work on break. From: Larry Asp <larry.asp@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] af 300 atlantic   There are at least 24 versions of Atlantics. Best documentation of this is in "Doyles Standard Catalaog of American Flyer Trains" book - a book worth aquiring for anyone into Flyer stuff. On 2011-09-14, at 7:55 AM, R G wrote: > The first versions of the Atlantic were made of four die cast pices. Boiler, smoke box front, cylinders and piliot. They had wire hand rails and the reverse unit was in the boiler, Later when a smoke unit was installed the reverse unit went into the tender but the loco number was 302. Later they made a one piece diecast locomotive and than Flyer went to the plastic version. All as cost saving measures. I know of no 300 four piece that was made with the reverse unit in the tender. It may be that the tender came from a later smoke in boiler version. > > > From: "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 11:50 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] af 300 atlantic > > > > question: how many versions of the af300 did gilbert produce?, i have an original version > from 1946, where the reversing lever is under the tender floor, and there are wire handrails > from the boiler to the pilot deck? also seperate handrails running the length of the diecast boiler, i have seen other die cast versions with the reverse lever on top of the die cast boiler > with no handrails from the boiler to the pilot deck, and with a plastic tender, or a metal tender > similar to the original, without the indentation on the side of the original tender > thanks very much > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65889	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/14/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic

Without looking in any reference books, I would suspect there are more variations of the 300 than any locomotive, as it was the bottom-line, cheap set engine, and knowing ACG's thriftiness, was probably assembled from any pieces around. I think it also ended up in many "specials" which were sets made up of left-overs to get them out of the factory! (Well, not all "specials" were "fire sale" stuff, but many were.) So, I've seen them with die-cast one-piece bodies mated with plastic tenders, and plastic on-piece bodies mated with tin tenders--I've even seen a one-piece body with the reverse lever sticking out the top! I don't think any of the ones I'm talking about were "junk box creations" but were factory "left-over boxes creations." After all, they were TOYS! I doubt anyone thought of the "collectors' items" they were accidentally creating. . . S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65890	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 9/14/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic

At least 24 - I think there may even have been about 28 according to Greenberg, but I no longer have a copy. I tried collecting them all a few years back but gave up at about 15. The one in question certainly sounds like the marriage of an earlier loco with a later tender.  I bet the slot is still in the top of the boiler for the E unit lockout.  To  memory there are a least 4 variations of the original 1946 loco.Unless the loco has the brass buttons underneath or the holes where they went it is not 1946 anyway. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:43:14 -0400 Subject:Re: [S-Trains] af 300 atlantic   There are at least 24 versions of Atlantics. Best documentation of this is in "Doyles Standard Catalaog of American Flyer Trains" book - a book worth aquiring for anyone into Flyer stuff. On 2011-09-14, at 7:55 AM, R G wrote: > The first versions of the Atlantic were made of four die cast pices. Boiler, smoke box front, cylinders and piliot. They had wire hand rails and the reverse unit was in the boiler, Later when a smoke unit was installed the reverse unit went into the tender but the loco number was 302. Later they made a one piece diecast locomotive and than Flyer went to the plastic version. All as cost saving measures. I know of no 300 four piece that was made with the reverse unit in the tender. It may be that the tender came from a later smoke in boiler version. > > > From: "clipper841@... [1]" > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 11:50 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] af 300 atlantic > > > > question: how many versions of the af300 did gilbert produce?, i have an original version > from 1946, where the reversing lever is under the tender floor, and there are wire handrails > from the boiler to the pilot deck? also seperate handrails running the length of the diecast boiler, i have seen other die cast versions with the reverse lever on top of the die cast boiler > with no handrails from the boiler to the pilot deck, and with a plastic tender, or a metal tender > similar to the original, without the indentation on the side of the original tender > thanks very much > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo [4]! Groups Links > > > > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:clipper841%40att.net [2] mailto:clipper841%40att.net [3] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [4] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Yahoo [5] mailto:larry.asp@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20af%20300%20atlantic [6] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20af%20300%20atlantic [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvN2ZxdmRkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTg4NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTYwMTE4NDU-?act=reply&messageNum=65887 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjczA3dnE2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTYwMTE4NDU- [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/65885;_ylc=X3oDMTM0MDRuYW5yBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTg4NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTYwMTE4NDUEdHBjSWQDNjU4ODU- [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkY2RkdjVvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzE2MDExODQ1?o=6 [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjcTZuNmc5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMTYwMTE4NDU- [12] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ [13] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15ogo9sll/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1316019045/L=ed4dd1ba-dee0-11e0-957c-8fda3a752bee/B=PO4hRdj8el4-/J=1316011845665954/K=v_yr3r1cbZ12pVK4JpeYKw/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj [14] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15oal5lvf/M=791726.14854538.14596965.10835568/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1316019045/L=ed4dd1ba-dee0-11e0-957c-8fda3a752bee/B=O.4hRdj8el4-/J=1316011845665954/K=v_yr3r1cbZ12pVK4JpeYKw/A=6449876/R=0/SIG=130kfcsn4/*http://www.freecreditscore.com/dni/default.aspx?SiteVersionID=997&sc=671020&bcd=YGROUPS_Bad598 [15] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiczU3aDBkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMxNjAxMTg0NQ-- [16] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [17] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [18] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [19] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65891	From: mike gardner	Date: 9/14/2011
Subject: model different engines from AF junkers

Hello,  I'am new to the group and am thinking of modifying an old junker Atlantic shell into something else. I cut and modified one into a 2-4-0 and it did not look too bad. It will make a good logging engine as it is too light to pull too much. I was thinking of making an 0-4-0 by milling out the body and using a junker Casey Jones chassis. If anyone has some ideas I would appreciate hearing from them. Thanks for any help Mike Gardner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65892	From: dmunseyjr@comcast.net	Date: 9/14/2011
Subject: Re: model different engines from AF junkers

I am working on a ten wheeler (4-6-0) by shortening a plastic 280 or 290 class Pacific shell and leaving off the trailing truck. Don Munsey, Jr ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike gardner" <tamerlane_46@...> To: s-trains@... Cc: "tamerlane 46" <tamerlane_46@...> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 4:49:44 PM Subject: [S-Trains] model different engines from AF junkers Hello, I'am new to the group and am thinking of modifying an old junker Atlantic shell into something else. I cut and modified one into a 2-4-0 and it did not look too bad. It will make a good logging engine as it is too light to pull too much. I was thinking of making an 0-4-0 by milling out the body and using a junker Casey Jones chassis. If anyone has some ideas I would appreciate hearing from them. Thanks for any help Mike Gardner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65893	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 9/14/2011
Subject: Re: model different engines from AF junkers

Mike,      You might not want to do anything with your CASEY JONES as we will have a large selection of NEW PARTS for these engines and chassis that will make them into a great looking and running motive power. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc --- On Wed, 9/14/11, mike gardner <tamerlane_46@...> wrote: From: mike gardner <tamerlane_46@...> Subject: [S-Trains] model different engines from AF junkers To: "s-trains@..." <s-trains@...> Cc: "tamerlane_46@..." <tamerlane_46@...> Date: Wednesday, September 14, 2011, 5:49 PM   Hello,  I'am new to the group and am thinking of modifying an old junker Atlantic shell into something else. I cut and modified one into a 2-4-0 and it did not look too bad. It will make a good logging engine as it is too light to pull too much. I was thinking of making an 0-4-0 by milling out the body and using a junker Casey Jones chassis. If anyone has some ideas I would appreciate hearing from them. Thanks for any help Mike Gardner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65894	From: Al Baker	Date: 9/14/2011
Subject: Re: model different engines from AF junkers

Mike, There are several of us into modifying or making custom locomotives. I personally own about 30 of them (about half I made, half I purchased). You can see many of them in the Photo section under Al Baker's Customs. Al Baker Portland --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mike gardner <tamerlane_46@...> wrote: > > Hello,  I'am new to the group and am thinking of modifying an old junker Atlantic shell into something else. I cut and modified one into a 2-4-0 and it did not look too bad. It will make a good logging engine as it is too light to pull too much. I was thinking of making an 0-4-0 by milling out the body and using a junker Casey Jones chassis. If anyone has some ideas I would appreciate hearing from them. Thanks for any help Mike Gardner > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65895	From: Ray Puls	Date: 9/15/2011
Subject: RE; model different engines from AF junkers

You can do quite a lot with the Casey Jones engines, I have converted several into Thomas trains namely the Thomas and the Percy engines. These are a hit with the younger generation and are really an attraction for these little folks at the railroad shows and exhibitions. I believe that these also are the people we need to attract to keep this hobby alive because we who are in to model railroading now are a fast aging generation For the most part, like it or not, this is becoming a geriatric hobby.  Ray  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65896	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/15/2011
Subject: Model different engines from AF junkers

Well, I've "butchered" enough junk box Flyer locos to be invited into the parking lot at one show by a rabid collector. So many people forget that this was often done during the years when S gauge was mainly supported by used Flyer stuff being upgraded, and that most of the better known scalers and layout builders in S did it. Today, the collectors don't like it, and the scale guys look down their noses and ask "why would you waste yor time doing that with so much good new stuff around?" I was going to hold off announcing this until next month, but with some editorial help from Gene Cimino, I have prepared a 36 page computer print out guide to Kit Bashing Flyer Locomotives. Nothing fancy, certainly not thick enough to be a book, just a compliation of experiences, ideas, and photos of some of my projects. I will ask only for the cost of paper, ink, and postage, as I just want to encourage others. (I can almost see the hate e-mails from collectors now after they read that!) I have also been working on a guide to simple scratch building of S rolling stock. As I get to the point where I have more memories than days ahead, I just want to pass along what I've learned. The layout building series I did for S Gaugian was for this reason as well. Keep enjoying the hobby, that's what hobbies are for. Stumpy Stone in Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65897	From: Jeff Faust	Date: 9/15/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic

I love the 4-piece die-cast Atlantics! They're beautiful models, and still easy to collect. I've found 5 versions: 1946: 300 with relay in boiler. Tender has rectangular debossed area for "Reading" lettering on sides. Unweighted coupler with thin shank. 1947: 300, similar to 1946 version, tender sides flat, full-width shank on unweighted coupler. early 1948: 302 with extended smokebox to accommodate smoke unit. Relay in tender. Brass-colored weight on coupler. late 1948: 302 with valve gear changed to sliding-rivet crosshead design, boiler casting altered to fit. Otherwise similar to early '48. Gets my vote for the best Atlantic ever made. 1949: 300AC, no smoke unit (cost reasons, presumably), relay returned to boiler but extended smokebox remains. Black-painted coupler weight. Crosshead design same as late '48. Starting in 1950, Gilbert started using the one-piece shells, which aren't half as nice. If you're looking for quality, budget-priced Flyer engines, start with these. I've got a couple of 300ACs (one restored to gleaming originality, another heavily modified and knuckle/Pull-Mor equipped) and a late 302 that I love running at shows. --Jeff --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, alizoo@... wrote: > > At least 24 - I think there may even have been about 28 according to > Greenberg, but I no longer have a copy. I tried collecting them > all a few years back but gave up at about 15. The one in question > certainly sounds like the marriage of an earlier loco with a later > tender.  I bet the slot is still in the top of the boiler for the E > unit lockout.  To  memory there are a least 4 variations of the > original 1946 loco.Unless the loco has the brass buttons underneath > or the holes where they went it is not 1946 anyway. Alistair > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > To: > Cc: > Sent:Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:43:14 -0400 > Subject:Re: [S-Trains] af 300 atlantic > >   > > There are at least 24 versions of Atlantics. Best documentation of > this is in "Doyles Standard Catalaog of American Flyer Trains" book - > a book worth aquiring for anyone into Flyer stuff. > > On 2011-09-14, at 7:55 AM, R G wrote: > > > The first versions of the Atlantic were made of four die cast > pices. Boiler, smoke box front, cylinders and piliot. They had wire > hand rails and the reverse unit was in the boiler, Later when a smoke > unit was installed the reverse unit went into the tender but the loco > number was 302. Later they made a one piece diecast locomotive and > than Flyer went to the plastic version. All as cost saving measures. > I know of no 300 four piece that was made with the reverse unit in > the tender. It may be that the tender came from a later smoke in > boiler version.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65898	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 9/16/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic

There are more than that with the early 300's "Reading" on tender side 1946- tender side embossed, brass buttons on bottom of loco for track operation. Thin shank coupler no weight 1946 Flat sided tender -brass bottons. Thin shank -no weights 1946 Flat side tender - no buttons but holes for them thin shank no weights 1947 Flat sided tender- holes for buttons -thick shank no weights 1947 Tender with Flyer motif thick shank- no weights And so on. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Fri, 16 Sep 2011 00:59:35 -0000 Subject:[S-Trains] Re: af 300 atlantic   I love the 4-piece die-cast Atlantics! They're beautiful models, and still easy to collect. I've found 5 versions: 1946: 300 with relay in boiler. Tender has rectangular debossed area for "Reading" lettering on sides. Unweighted coupler with thin shank. 1947: 300, similar to 1946 version, tender sides flat, full-width shank on unweighted coupler. early 1948: 302 with extended smokebox to accommodate smoke unit. Relay in tender. Brass-colored weight on coupler. late 1948: 302 with valve gear changed to sliding-rivet crosshead design, boiler casting altered to fit. Otherwise similar to early '48. Gets my vote for the best Atlantic ever made. 1949: 300AC, no smoke unit (cost reasons, presumably), relay returned to boiler but extended smokebox remains. Black-painted coupler weight. Crosshead design same as late '48. Starting in 1950, Gilbert started using the one-piece shells, which aren't half as nice. If you're looking for quality, budget-priced Flyer engines, start with these. I've got a couple of 300ACs (one restored to gleaming originality, another heavily modified and knuckle/Pull-Mor equipped) and a late 302 that I love running at shows. --Jeff --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1], alizoo@.. wrote: > > At least 24 - I think there may even have been about 28 according to > Greenberg, but I no longer have a copy. I tried collecting them > all a few years back but gave up at about 15. The one in question > certainly sounds like the marriage of an earlier loco with a later > tender.  I bet the slot is still in the top of the boiler for the E > unit lockout.  To  memory there are a least 4 variations of the > original 1946 loco.Unless the loco has the brass buttons underneath > or the holes where they went it is not 1946 anyway. Alistair > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] > To: > Cc: > Sent:Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:43:14 -0400 > Subject:Re: [S-Trains] af 300 atlantic > >   > > There are at least 24 versions of Atlantics. Best documentation of > this is in "Doyles Standard Catalaog of American Flyer Trains" book - > a book worth aquiring for anyone into Flyer stuff. > > On 2011-09-14, at 7:55 AM, R G wrote: > > > The first versions of the Atlantic were made of four die cast > pices. Boiler, smoke box front, cylinders and piliot. They had wire > hand rails and the reverse unit was in the boiler, Later when a smoke > unit was installed the reverse unit went into the tender but the loco > number was 302. Later they made a one piece diecast locomotive and > than Flyer went to the plastic version. All as cost saving measures. > I know of no 300 four piece that was made with the reverse unit in > the tender. It may be that the tender came from a later smoke in > boiler version. ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [2] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [3] mailto:jfaust42@...?subject=Re%3A%20af%20300%20atlantic [4] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20af%20300%20atlantic [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbGU4dWVlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTg5NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTYxMzcxNjk-?act=reply&messageNum=65897 [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjcnVoZ3RsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTYxMzcxNjk- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/65885;_ylc=X3oDMTM0MDJvZWw3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTg5NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTYxMzcxNjkEdHBjSWQDNjU4ODU- [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkYjNmYWk0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzE2MTM3MTY5?o=6 [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjOXZjNnMxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMTYxMzcxNjk- [10] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ [11] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15ocn0tba/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1316144369/L=b7ec358c-e004-11e0-995f-1381b8f1bdbc/B=34Y4SUoGYmM-/J=1316137169148885/K=JTmcBjFDE9JM1WqbfH5dKQ/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj [12] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15oaoa4va/M=791726.14854538.14596965.10835568/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1316144369/L=b7ec358c-e004-11e0-995f-1381b8f1bdbc/B=3oY4SUoGYmM-/J=1316137169148885/K=JTmcBjFDE9JM1WqbfH5dKQ/A=6449876/R=0/SIG=130kfcsn4/*http://www.freecreditscore.com/dni/default.aspx?SiteVersionID=997&sc=671020&bcd=YGROUPS_Bad598 [13] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJic284ZmZlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMxNjEzNzE2OQ-- [14] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [15] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [16] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [17] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65899	From: mike	Date: 9/16/2011
Subject: THANKS

I would like to thank all who replied to my question about using old AF junkers to make different locomotives. I have not only gotten new ideas but also sources for parts to use. THANKS Mike Gardner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65900	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 9/16/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic

There are more variations in the early 300 to fit in. For instance -   1946- tender side embossed, brass buttons on bottom of loco for track operation. Thin shank no weight 1946 Flat sided tender -brass buttons. Thin shank -no weights 1946 Flat side tender - no buttons but holes for them. thin shank no weights 1947 Flat sided tender- holes for buttons -thick shank no weights 1947 Tender with Flyer motif thick shank- no weights Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Fri, 16 Sep 2011 00:59:35 -0000 Subject:[S-Trains] Re: af 300 atlantic   I love the 4-piece die-cast Atlantics! They're beautiful models, and still easy to collect. I've found 5 versions: 1946: 300 with relay in boiler. Tender has rectangular debossed area for "Reading" lettering on sides. Unweighted coupler with thin shank. 1947: 300, similar to 1946 version, tender sides flat, full-width shank on unweighted coupler. early 1948: 302 with extended smokebox to accommodate smoke unit. Relay in tender. Brass-colored weight on coupler. late 1948: 302 with valve gear changed to sliding-rivet crosshead design, boiler casting altered to fit. Otherwise similar to early '48. Gets my vote for the best Atlantic ever made. 1949: 300AC, no smoke unit (cost reasons, presumably), relay returned to boiler but extended smokebox remains. Black-painted coupler weight. Crosshead design same as late '48. Starting in 1950, Gilbert started using the one-piece shells, which aren't half as nice. If you're looking for quality, budget-priced Flyer engines, start with these. I've got a couple of 300ACs (one restored to gleaming originality, another heavily modified and knuckle/Pull-Mor equipped) and a late 302 that I love running at shows. --Jeff --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1], alizoo@... wrote: > > At least 24 - I think there may even have been about 28 according to > Greenberg, but I no longer have a copy. I tried collecting them > all a few years back but gave up at about 15. The one in question > certainly sounds like the marriage of an earlier loco with a later > tender.  I bet the slot is still in the top of the boiler for the E > unit lockout.  To  memory there are a least 4 variations of the > original 1946 loco.Unless the loco has the brass buttons underneath > or the holes where they went it is not 1946 anyway. Alistair > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] > To: > Cc: > Sent:Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:43:14 -0400 > Subject:Re: [S-Trains] af 300 atlantic > >   > > There are at least 24 versions of Atlantics. Best documentation of > this is in "Doyles Standard Catalaog of American Flyer Trains" book - > a book worth aquiring for anyone into Flyer stuff. > > On 2011-09-14, at 7:55 AM, R G wrote: > > > The first versions of the Atlantic were made of four die cast > pices. Boiler, smoke box front, cylinders and piliot. They had wire > hand rails and the reverse unit was in the boiler, Later when a smoke > unit was installed the reverse unit went into the tender but the loco > number was 302. Later they made a one piece diecast locomotive and > than Flyer went to the plastic version. All as cost saving measures. > I know of no 300 four piece that was made with the reverse unit in > the tender. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 65901	From: Ray Puls	Date: 9/16/2011
Subject: Re: kit-bashing

Mr Stumpy, Please contact me through my email to let me know where to send payment and the amount for your booklet on kit-bashing Flyer junker engines. Thanks Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65902	From: Larry Moore	Date: 9/16/2011
Subject: Silver Flash Alco

To the group: I wanted to offer the group an opportunity to have first chance at this Alco, before I put it on Ebay. I have a like-new LTI Silver Flash Alco PH-1, non powered, A-unit. No sounds, just light and illuminated cab. This has the original box, an easy C-9, and original Styrofoam insert. The LTI number is 6-48129. Greenburg has it listed as made in 1996 #479. I list this as like-new, only because I am not the original owner, but I am 99% sure this unit has never been on the track. Please contact me off list (mo2337@...) if interested. I will supply pictures upon request on an individual basis. 2010 Greenburg lists as $100.00. Asking $85.00 plus shipping. Thanks in advance for any interest. I will be at a train show this week-end, playing with trains, it may be late Sun evening or Mon before I can answer any inquiries. Thanks again Larry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65903	From: flguz	Date: 9/16/2011
Subject: CIRCUS ENGINE

Who has one for sale? PLease email me. Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65904	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 9/16/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic

Hi all, I have been following this thread and will have to check out all my Atlantics to see if I can date them. I too like the four piece cast version. This reply mentions the brass buttons for track operation. Can someone explain how this track system worked or was supposed to work? Was it an idea that was never brought to market or a short lived system? Thanks Lon Walker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, alizoo@... wrote: > > > > There are more variations in the early 300 to fit in. For instance > - > >   > > 1946- tender side embossed, brass buttons on bottom of loco for > track operation. Thin shank no weight > > 1946 Flat sided tender -brass buttons. Thin shank -no weights > > 1946 Flat side tender - no buttons but holes for them. thin shank no > weights > > 1947 Flat sided tender- holes for buttons -thick shank no weights > > 1947 Tender with Flyer motif thick shank- no weights > > Alistair > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > To: > Cc: > Sent:Fri, 16 Sep 2011 00:59:35 -0000 > Subject:[S-Trains] Re: af 300 atlantic > >   > > I love the 4-piece die-cast Atlantics! They're beautiful models, and > still easy to collect. I've found 5 versions: > > 1946: 300 with relay in boiler. Tender has rectangular debossed area > for "Reading" lettering on sides. Unweighted coupler with thin shank. > > > 1947: 300, similar to 1946 version, tender sides flat, full-width > shank on unweighted coupler. > > early 1948: 302 with extended smokebox to accommodate smoke unit. > Relay in tender. Brass-colored weight on coupler. > > late 1948: 302 with valve gear changed to sliding-rivet crosshead > design, boiler casting altered to fit. Otherwise similar to early > '48. Gets my vote for the best Atlantic ever made. > > 1949: 300AC, no smoke unit (cost reasons, presumably), relay returned > to boiler but extended smokebox remains. Black-painted coupler weight. > Crosshead design same as late '48. > > Starting in 1950, Gilbert started using the one-piece shells, which > aren't half as nice. > > If you're looking for quality, budget-priced Flyer engines, start > with these. I've got a couple of 300ACs (one restored to gleaming > originality, another heavily modified and knuckle/Pull-Mor equipped) > and a late 302 that I love running at shows. > > --Jeff > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1], alizoo@ wrote: > > > > At least 24 - I think there may even have been about 28 > according to > > Greenberg, but I no longer have a copy. I tried collecting them > > all a few years back but gave up at about 15. The one in > question > > certainly sounds like the marriage of an earlier loco with a later > > tender.  I bet the slot is still in the top of the boiler for > the E > > unit lockout.  To  memory there are a least 4 variations of > the > > original 1946 loco.Unless the loco has the brass buttons underneath > > or the holes where they went it is not 1946 anyway. Alistair > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent:Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:43:14 -0400 > > Subject:Re: [S-Trains] af 300 atlantic > > > >   > > > > There are at least 24 versions of Atlantics. Best documentation of > > this is in "Doyles Standard Catalaog of American Flyer Trains" book > - > > a book worth aquiring for anyone into Flyer stuff. > > > > On 2011-09-14, at 7:55 AM, R G wrote: > > > > > The first versions of the Atlantic were made of four die cast > > pices. Boiler, smoke box front, cylinders and piliot. They had wire > > hand rails and the reverse unit was in the boiler, Later when a > smoke > > unit was installed the reverse unit went into the tender but the > loco > > number was 302. Later they made a one piece diecast locomotive and > > than Flyer went to the plastic version. All as cost saving > measures. > > I know of no 300 four piece that was made with the reverse unit in > > the tender. It may be that the tender came from a later smoke in > > boiler version. > > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - > http://www.adam.com.au/ > > Links: > ------ > [1] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > [2] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > [3] mailto:jfaust42@...?subject=Re%3A%20af%20300%20atlantic > [4] > mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20af%20300%20atlantic > [5] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbGU4dWVlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTg5NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTYxMzcxNjk-?act=reply&messageNum=65897 > [6] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjcnVoZ3RsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTYxMzcxNjk- > [7] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/65885;_ylc=X3oDMTM0MDJvZWw3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTg5NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTYxMzcxNjkEdHBjSWQDNjU4ODU- > [8] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkYjNmYWk0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzE2MTM3MTY5?o=6 > [9] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjOXZjNnMxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMTYxMzcxNjk- > [10] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ > [11] > http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15ocn0tba/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1316144369/L=b7ec358c-e004-11e0-995f-1381b8f1bdbc/B=34Y4SUoGYmM-/J=1316137169148885/K=JTmcBjFDE9JM1WqbfH5dKQ/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj > [12] > http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15oaoa4va/M=791726.14854538.14596965.10835568/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1316144369/L=b7ec358c-e004-11e0-995f-1381b8f1bdbc/B=3oY4SUoGYmM-/J=1316137169148885/K=JTmcBjFDE9JM1WqbfH5dKQ/A=6449876/R=0/SIG=130kfcsn4/*http://www.freecreditscore.com/dni/default.aspx?SiteVersionID=997&sc=671020&bcd=YGROUPS_Bad598 > [13] > http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJic284ZmZlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMxNjEzNzE2OQ-- > [14] > mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional > [15] > mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest > [16] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe > [17] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65905	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 9/17/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic

Lon, It was an idea that never came to fruition. The brass buttons, 1946 only, were to operate a special track section. I read once that it was either for an accessory or a whistle, but I can't remember. Perhaps someone else can fill in the blanks here. The brass buttons disappeared in the 1947 line and in their place were holes where the buttons would have been. In 1948 and later lines, the holes were filled in. That is my recollection. Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. From: boxcar4willhe Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 6:47 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: af 300 atlantic Hi all, I have been following this thread and will have to check out all my Atlantics to see if I can date them. I too like the four piece cast version. This reply mentions the brass buttons for track operation. Can someone explain how this track system worked or was supposed to work? Was it an idea that was never brought to market or a short lived system? Thanks Lon Walker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, alizoo@... wrote: > > > > There are more variations in the early 300 to fit in. For instance > - > >  > > 1946- tender side embossed, brass buttons on bottom of loco for > track operation. Thin shank no weight > > 1946 Flat sided tender -brass buttons. Thin shank -no weights > > 1946 Flat side tender - no buttons but holes for them. thin shank no > weights > > 1947 Flat sided tender- holes for buttons -thick shank no weights > > 1947 Tender with Flyer motif thick shank- no weights > > Alistair > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > To: > Cc: > Sent:Fri, 16 Sep 2011 00:59:35 -0000 > Subject:[S-Trains] Re: af 300 atlantic > >  > > I love the 4-piece die-cast Atlantics! They're beautiful models, and > still easy to collect. I've found 5 versions: > > 1946: 300 with relay in boiler. Tender has rectangular debossed area > for "Reading" lettering on sides. Unweighted coupler with thin shank. > > > 1947: 300, similar to 1946 version, tender sides flat, full-width > shank on unweighted coupler. > > early 1948: 302 with extended smokebox to accommodate smoke unit. > Relay in tender. Brass-colored weight on coupler. > > late 1948: 302 with valve gear changed to sliding-rivet crosshead > design, boiler casting altered to fit. Otherwise similar to early > '48. Gets my vote for the best Atlantic ever made. > > 1949: 300AC, no smoke unit (cost reasons, presumably), relay returned > to boiler but extended smokebox remains. Black-painted coupler weight. > Crosshead design same as late '48. > > Starting in 1950, Gilbert started using the one-piece shells, which > aren't half as nice. > > If you're looking for quality, budget-priced Flyer engines, start > with these. I've got a couple of 300ACs (one restored to gleaming > originality, another heavily modified and knuckle/Pull-Mor equipped) > and a late 302 that I love running at shows. > > --Jeff > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1], alizoo@ wrote: > > > > At least 24 - I think there may even have been about 28 > accordingÃ, to > > Greenberg, but I no longer have a copy. I tried collecting them > > allÃ, a few years back but gave up at about 15. The one in > question > > certainly sounds like the marriage of an earlier loco with a later > > tender.Ã, I bet the slot is still in the top of the boiler for > the E > > unit lockout.Ã, To Ã, memory there are a least 4 variations of > the > > original 1946 loco.Unless the loco has the brass buttons underneath > > or the holes where they went it is not 1946 anyway. Alistair > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent:Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:43:14 -0400 > > Subject:Re: [S-Trains] af 300 atlantic > > > > Ã, > > > > There are at least 24 versions of Atlantics. Best documentation of > > this is in "Doyles Standard Catalaog of American Flyer Trains" book > - > > a book worth aquiring for anyone into Flyer stuff. > > > > On 2011-09-14, at 7:55 AM, R G wrote: > > > > > The first versions of the Atlantic were made of four die cast > > pices. Boiler, smoke box front, cylinders and piliot. They had wire > > hand rails and the reverse unit was in the boiler, Later when a > smoke > > unit was installed the reverse unit went into the tender but the > loco > > number was 302. Later they made a one piece diecast locomotive and > > than Flyer went to the plastic version. All as cost saving > measures. > > I know of no 300 four piece that was made with the reverse unit in > > the tender. It may be that the tender came from a later smoke in > > boiler version. > > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - > http://www.adam.com.au/ > > Links: > ------ > [1] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > [2] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > [3] mailto:jfaust42@...?subject=Re%3A%20af%20300%20atlantic > [4] > mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20af%20300%20atlantic > [5] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbGU4dWVlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTg5NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTYxMzcxNjk-?act=reply&messageNum=65897 > [6] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjcnVoZ3RsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTYxMzcxNjk- > [7] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/65885;_ylc=X3oDMTM0MDJvZWw3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTg5NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTYxMzcxNjkEdHBjSWQDNjU4ODU- > [8] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkYjNmYWk0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzE2MTM3MTY5?o=6 > [9] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjOXZjNnMxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMTYxMzcxNjk- > [10] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ > [11] > http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15ocn0tba/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1316144369/L=b7ec358c-e004-11e0-995f-1381b8f1bdbc/B=34Y4SUoGYmM-/J=1316137169148885/K=JTmcBjFDE9JM1WqbfH5dKQ/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj > [12] > http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15oaoa4va/M=791726.14854538.14596965.10835568/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1316144369/L=b7ec358c-e004-11e0-995f-1381b8f1bdbc/B=3oY4SUoGYmM-/J=1316137169148885/K=JTmcBjFDE9JM1WqbfH5dKQ/A=6449876/R=0/SIG=130kfcsn4/*http://www.freecreditscore.com/dni/default.aspx?SiteVersionID=997&sc=671020&bcd=YGROUPS_Bad598 > [13] > http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJic284ZmZlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMxNjEzNzE2OQ-- > [14] > mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional > [15] > mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest > [16] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe > [17] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65906	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 9/17/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic

The No 695 Automatic track trip was made to slip into the middle between the tracks and provided two insulated strips that would be contacted when the buttons passed over and formed a complete circuit via external circuitry connected by clips on the trackside of the unit.. According to info in the AC Gilbert's Heritage book it is not believed that they were ever used or marketed. Notwithstanding, the locos appeared for a while fitted with the buttons in 1946. Later the buttons were omitted from assembly and by later in 1947 the dies were filled. You can still see ring marks where they filled the dies on some locos. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Sat, 17 Sep 2011 01:47:57 -0000 Subject:[S-Trains] Re: af 300 atlantic   Hi all, I have been following this thread and will have to check out all my Atlantics to see if I can date them. I too like the four piece cast version. This reply mentions the brass buttons for track operation. Can someone explain how this track system worked or was supposed to work? Was it an idea that was never brought to market or a short lived system? Thanks Lon Walker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1], alizoo@... wrote: > > > > There are more variations in the early 300 to fit in. For instance > - > >   > > 1946- tender side embossed, brass buttons on bottom of loco for > track operation. Thin shank no weight > > 1946 Flat sided tender -brass buttons Thin shank -no weights > > 1946 Flat side tender - no buttons but holes for them. thin shank no > weights > > 1947 Flat sided tender- holes for buttons -thick shank no weights > > 1947 Tender with Flyer motif thick shank- no weights > > Alistair > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] > To: > Cc: > Sent:Fri, 16 Sep 2011 00:59:35 -0000 > Subject:[S-Trains] Re: af 300 atlantic > >   > > I love the 4-piece die-cast Atlantics! They're beautiful models, and > still easy to collect. I've found 5 versions: > > 1946: 300 with relay in boiler. Tender has rectangular debossed area > for "Reading" lettering on sides. Unweighted coupler with thin shank. > > > 1947: 300, similar to 1946 version, tender sides flat, full-width > shank on unweighted coupler. > > early 1948: 302 with extended smokebox to accommodate smoke unit. > Relay in tender. Brass-colored weight on coupler. > > late 1948: 302 with valve gear changed to sliding-rivet crosshead > design, boiler casting altered to fit. Otherwise similar to early > '48. Gets my vote for the best Atlantic ever made. > > 1949: 300AC, no smoke unit (cost reasons, presumably), relay returned > to boiler but extended smokebox remains. Black-painted coupler weight > Crosshead design same as late '48. > > Starting in 1950, Gilbert started using the one-piece shells, which > aren't half as nice. > > If you're looking for quality, budget-priced Flyer engines, start > with these. I've got a couple of 300ACs (one restored to gleaming > originality, another heavily modified and knuckle/Pull-Mor equipped) > and a late 302 that I love running at shows. > > --Jeff > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] [1], alizoo@ wrote: > > > > At least 24 - I think there may even have been about 28 > accordingàto > > Greenberg, but I no longer have a copy. I tried collecting them > > allàa few years back but gave up at about 15. The one in > question > > certainly sounds like the marriage of an earlier loco with a later > > tender.à I bet the slot is still in the top of the boiler for > the E > > unit lockout.à To àmemory there are a least 4 variations of > the > > original 1946 loco.Unless the loco has the brass buttons underneath > > or the holes where they went it is not 1946 anyway. Alistair > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [4] [2] > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent:Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:43:14 -0400 > > Subject:Re: [S-Trains] af 300 atlantic > > > > à > > > > There are at least 24 versions of Atlantics. Best documentation of > > this is in "Doyles Standard Catalaog of American Flyer Trains" book > - > > a book worth aquiring for anyone into Flyer stuff. > > > > On 2011-09-14, at 7:55 AM, R G wrote: > > > > > The first versions of the Atlantic were made of four die cast > > pices. Boiler, smoke box front, cylinders and piliot. They had wire > > hand rails and the reverse unit was in the boiler, Later when a > smoke > > unit was installed the reverse unit went into the tender but the > loco > > number was 302. Later they made a one piece diecast locomotive and > > than Flyer went to the plastic version. All as cost saving > measures. > > I know of no 300 four piece that was made with the reverse unit in > > the tender. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 65907	From: NEIL	Date: 9/17/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic

I'm new to the collecting of American flyer (and this group). Never knew there were so many varieties of these. Very interesting. I think the early versions with side rails are under valued and are excellent on smaller pikes. BTW I have a 300 and a 302AC for sale on ebay right now. Ends Sunday. Neil --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, alizoo@... wrote: > > The No 695 Automatic track trip was made to slip into the middle > between the tracks and provided two insulated strips that would be > contacted when the buttons passed over and formed a complete circuit > via external circuitry connected by clips on the trackside of the > unit.. According to info in the AC Gilbert's Heritage book it is not > believed that they were ever used or marketed. Notwithstanding, the > locos appeared for a while fitted with the buttons in 1946. Later the > buttons were omitted from assembly and by later in 1947 the dies were > filled. You can still see ring marks where they filled the dies on > some locos. Alistair  > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > To: > Cc: > Sent:Sat, 17 Sep 2011 01:47:57 -0000 > Subject:[S-Trains] Re: af 300 atlantic > >   > > Hi all, I have been following this thread and will have to check out > all my Atlantics to see if I can date them. I too like the four piece > cast version. This reply mentions the brass buttons for track > operation. Can someone explain how this track system worked or was > supposed to work? Was it an idea that was never brought to market or > a short lived system? Thanks Lon Walker > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1], alizoo@ wrote: > > > > > > > > There are more variations in the early 300 to fit in. For > instance > > - > > > >   > > > > 1946- tender side embossed, brass buttons on bottom of loco for > > track operation. Thin shank no weight > > > > 1946 Flat sided tender -brass buttons Thin shank -no weights > > > > 1946 Flat side tender - no buttons but holes for them. thin shank > no > > weights > > > > 1947 Flat sided tender- holes for buttons -thick shank no weights > > > > 1947 Tender with Flyer motif thick shank- no weights > > > > Alistair > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent:Fri, 16 Sep 2011 00:59:35 -0000 > > Subject:[S-Trains] Re: af 300 atlantic > > > >   > > > > I love the 4-piece die-cast Atlantics! They're beautiful models, > and > > still easy to collect. I've found 5 versions: > > > > 1946: 300 with relay in boiler. Tender has rectangular debossed > area > > for "Reading" lettering on sides. Unweighted coupler with thin > shank. > > > > > > 1947: 300, similar to 1946 version, tender sides flat, full-width > > shank on unweighted coupler. > > > > early 1948: 302 with extended smokebox to accommodate smoke unit. > > Relay in tender. Brass-colored weight on coupler. > > > > late 1948: 302 with valve gear changed to sliding-rivet crosshead > > design, boiler casting altered to fit. Otherwise similar to early > > '48. Gets my vote for the best Atlantic ever made. > > > > 1949: 300AC, no smoke unit (cost reasons, presumably), relay > returned > > to boiler but extended smokebox remains. Black-painted coupler > weight > > Crosshead design same as late '48. > > > > Starting in 1950, Gilbert started using the one-piece shells, which > > aren't half as nice. > > > > If you're looking for quality, budget-priced Flyer engines, start > > with these. I've got a couple of 300ACs (one restored to gleaming > > originality, another heavily modified and knuckle/Pull-Mor > equipped) > > and a late 302 that I love running at shows. > > > > --Jeff > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] [1], alizoo@ wrote: > > > > > > At least 24 - I think there may even have been about 28 > > accordingàto > > > Greenberg, but I no longer have a copy. I tried collecting them > > > allàa few years back but gave up at about 15. The one in > > question > > > certainly sounds like the marriage of an earlier loco with a > later > > > tender.à I bet the slot is still in the top of the boiler > for > > the E > > > unit lockout.à To àmemory there are a least 4 > variations of > > the > > > original 1946 loco.Unless the loco has the brass buttons > underneath > > > or the holes where they went it is not 1946 anyway. Alistair > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [4] [2] > > > To: > > > Cc: > > > Sent:Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:43:14 -0400 > > > Subject:Re: [S-Trains] af 300 atlantic > > > > > > à > > > > > > There are at least 24 versions of Atlantics. Best documentation > of > > > this is in "Doyles Standard Catalaog of American Flyer Trains" > book > > - > > > a book worth aquiring for anyone into Flyer stuff. > > > > > > On 2011-09-14, at 7:55 AM, R G wrote: > > > > > > > The first versions of the Atlantic were made of four die cast > > > pices. Boiler, smoke box front, cylinders and piliot. They had > wire > > > hand rails and the reverse unit was in the boiler, Later when a > > smoke > > > unit was installed the reverse unit went into the tender but the > > loco > > > number was 302. Later they made a one piece diecast locomotive > and > > > than Flyer went to the plastic version. All as cost saving > > measures. > > > I know of no 300 four piece that was made with the reverse unit > in > > > the tender. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 65908	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/17/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic

I was not aware that there were two different versions of the boiler on the 4 piece Atlantic, with one having a longer smokebox. I would love to see some photos of the two different 4 piece boilers. I also thought that the 4 piece Atlantics all had the sliding type of valve gear with only an upper guide. I was under the impression that the valve gear with both an upper and lower guide rod came with the one piece boilers, both metal and plastic. Is this latter type of valve gear what you are referring to as the "sliding rivet crosshead" design? Thanks, Dale On 9/15/2011 5:59 PM, Jeff Faust wrote: > > I love the 4-piece die-cast Atlantics! They're beautiful models, and > still easy to collect. I've found 5 versions: > > 1946: 300 with relay in boiler. Tender has rectangular debossed area > for "Reading" lettering on sides. Unweighted coupler with thin shank. > > 1947: 300, similar to 1946 version, tender sides flat, full-width > shank on unweighted coupler. > > early 1948: 302 with extended smokebox to accommodate smoke unit. > Relay in tender. Brass-colored weight on coupler. > > late 1948: 302 with valve gear changed to sliding-rivet crosshead > design, boiler casting altered to fit. Otherwise similar to early '48. > Gets my vote for the best Atlantic ever made. > > 1949: 300AC, no smoke unit (cost reasons, presumably), relay returned > to boiler but extended smokebox remains. Black-painted coupler weight. > Crosshead design same as late '48. > > Starting in 1950, Gilbert started using the one-piece shells, which > aren't half as nice. > > If you're looking for quality, budget-priced Flyer engines, start with > these. I've got a couple of 300ACs (one restored to gleaming > originality, another heavily modified and knuckle/Pull-Mor equipped) > and a late 302 that I love running at shows. > > --Jeff > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > alizoo@... wrote: > > > > At least 24 - I think there may even have been about 28 according to > > Greenberg, but I no longer have a copy. I tried collecting them > > all a few years back but gave up at about 15. The one in question > > certainly sounds like the marriage of an earlier loco with a later > > tender. I bet the slot is still in the top of the boiler for the E > > unit lockout. To  memory there are a least 4 variations of the > > original 1946 loco.Unless the loco has the brass buttons underneath > > or the holes where they went it is not 1946 anyway. Alistair > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent:Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:43:14 -0400 > > Subject:Re: [S-Trains] af 300 atlantic > > > >  > > > > There are at least 24 versions of Atlantics. Best documentation of > > this is in "Doyles Standard Catalaog of American Flyer Trains" book - > > a book worth aquiring for anyone into Flyer stuff. > > > > On 2011-09-14, at 7:55 AM, R G wrote: > > > > > The first versions of the Atlantic were made of four die cast > > pices. Boiler, smoke box front, cylinders and piliot. They had wire > > hand rails and the reverse unit was in the boiler, Later when a smoke > > unit was installed the reverse unit went into the tender but the loco > > number was 302. Later they made a one piece diecast locomotive and > > than Flyer went to the plastic version. All as cost saving measures. > > I know of no 300 four piece that was made with the reverse unit in > > the tender. It may be that the tender came from a later smoke in > > boiler version. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65909	From: Carey Probst	Date: 9/17/2011
Subject: S Scale/Gauge in Ottawa

It looks like I finally got a consulting gig and will be spending some time in Ottawa. Are there any shops with S Scale or Gauge in the area? Thanks Carey -- Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65910	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/17/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/18/2011, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 65911	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 9/17/2011
Subject: NKP 765 Steam In The Valley 2011 - YouTube

A neat video of steam on the Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railroad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjEzExukNMs& <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjEzExukNMs&> Crank up the volume, you'll like it :-) Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65912	From: Larry Asp	Date: 9/17/2011
Subject: Re: S Scale/Gauge in Ottawa

Dont know of any S gauge in Ottawa - but there are model train shows occuring in Ontario in London, Kithchener, Woodstock, Toronto, Ancaster Niagara Falls, Paris Ont. this fall and spring - some of which you will find some Flyer S gauge and O gauge. There will be a gathering of S gauge people at Lowbanks Ontario this fall with folks from Western New York and SW Ontario. Ottawa would be about 6 hours by car from most of these. There are several good train shows in Western New York that ocurr in Buffalo, Hamburg, Rochester etc. There is good support for Flyer , LIonel at these including parts dealers etc - much less emphasis on HO at them. On 2011-09-17, at 2:10 PM, Carey Probst wrote: > It looks like I finally got a consulting gig and will be spending some > time in Ottawa. > > Are there any shops with S Scale or Gauge in the area? > > Thanks > > Carey > -- > > Carey Probst > > Member, M.I.T. Educational Council > > S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF > > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, > > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65913	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Trains and Pittsburgh

Is there anything train related (toy or 1:1) worth checking out while in Pittsburgh? Specifically this coming Saturday or Sunday September 24th/25th? Stores, shows, scenic railroads, museums, layouts, etc. Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65914	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: About the Kit Bashing guide

I shouldn't have said a word, but now that the cat is out of the bag, I'm getting buried in e-mail inquiries about it! The Flyer Steam Locomotive Kit Bashing Guide will be ready by the first week of October. Final tweeks are being finished, but my time is scarce toward the end of September. You see, one of my other interests is auto racing and I'm announcing at different tracks that are finishing up their seasons and also doing a few mid-week races as well. The guide is 36 pages with a photo section at the end. I'll be printing each copy out on my computer and mailing them in large manila envelopes because it is too big to e-mail, and putting it on a CD is more expensive than using paper and snail mail. I'm not trying to make money from this, just pass along what I have learned over fifty years in model railroading. It costs me about $5.39 for paper, ink, envelope, and postage per copy, so I'm rounding it off to an even $5.00. I'll post here on S Trains when and how to order. I want to thank all the folks who have e-mailed me already for a copy, I had no idea it would be so popular! Please be patient! It's coming soon. Stumpy Stone...the "Mad Butcher" of Appalachia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65915	From: Carey Probst	Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: Trains and Pittsburgh

Depends on if you have a car or want to take a train ride. Been a while since I was in Pittsburgh but you can take a train (Amtrak) to Altoona, visit the Horseshoe Curve museum there and ride around the curve each way. It's not too far from Pittsburgh. East Broad Top, Strasburg RR and PA. RR museum are further east in Amish country. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 9/18/2011 10:18 AM, sgaugian wrote: > > Is there anything train related (toy or 1:1) worth checking out while > in Pittsburgh? Specifically this coming Saturday or Sunday September > 24th/25th? Stores, shows, scenic railroads, museums, layouts, etc. Thanks. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65916	From: Larry Asp	Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: About the Kit Bashing guide

Stumpy - please put me on the list - let me know when its ready, and I can paypal you. Im not into auto racing, but I like running around in my old Porsche. On 2011-09-18, at 10:52 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > I shouldn't have said a word, but now that the cat is out of the bag, I'm getting buried in e-mail inquiries about it! The Flyer Steam Locomotive Kit Bashing Guide will be ready by the first week of October. Final tweeks are being finished, but my time is scarce toward the end of September. > You see, one of my other interests is auto racing and I'm announcing at different tracks that are finishing up their seasons and also doing a few mid-week races as well. > The guide is 36 pages with a photo section at the end. I'll be printing each copy out on my computer and mailing them in large manila envelopes because it is too big to e-mail, and putting it on a CD is more expensive than using paper and snail mail. > I'm not trying to make money from this, just pass along what I have learned over fifty years in model railroading. It costs me about $5.39 for paper, ink, envelope, and postage per copy, so I'm rounding it off to an even $5.00. > I'll post here on S Trains when and how to order. > I want to thank all the folks who have e-mailed me already for a copy, I had no idea it would be so popular! > Please be patient! It's coming soon. > Stumpy Stone...the "Mad Butcher" of Appalachia. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65917	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: About the Kit Bashing guide

Stumpy,      We will be among the avid kit bashers to be ordering a copy. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc     --- On Sun, 9/18/11, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] About the Kit Bashing guide To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 18, 2011, 10:52 AM   I shouldn't have said a word, but now that the cat is out of the bag, I'm getting buried in e-mail inquiries about it! The Flyer Steam Locomotive Kit Bashing Guide will be ready by the first week of October. Final tweeks are being finished, but my time is scarce toward the end of September. You see, one of my other interests is auto racing and I'm announcing at different tracks that are finishing up their seasons and also doing a few mid-week races as well. The guide is 36 pages with a photo section at the end. I'll be printing each copy out on my computer and mailing them in large manila envelopes because it is too big to e-mail, and putting it on a CD is more expensive than using paper and snail mail. I'm not trying to make money from this, just pass along what I have learned over fifty years in model railroading. It costs me about $5.39 for paper, ink, envelope, and postage per copy, so I'm rounding it off to an even $5.00. I'll post here on S Trains when and how to order. I want to thank all the folks who have e-mailed me already for a copy, I had no idea it would be so popular! Please be patient! It's coming soon. Stumpy Stone...the "Mad Butcher" of Appalachia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65918	From: George Cohn	Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: About the Kit Bashing guide

On 9/18/2011 9:24 AM, Larry Asp wrote: > Stumpy - please put me on the list - let me know when its ready, and I > can paypal you. Im not into auto racing, but I like running around in my > old Porsche. So it costs you $5.39 to produce and you are selling it for $5.00? Sounds like the old joke, We're losing money on every sale but making it up in volume! :-) Put me down for a copy as well. BTW Larry, my vintage rides are a '70 Jag XK-E convertible and two '73 Datsun 240Z's, one of which I bought new! George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65919	From: David Engle	Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: About the Kit Bashing guide

Who was the guy (in Minn.??) in the 70s who created all those monster engines from AF--John Kromhout?, or was it ? Meyers? One of the more famous ones was a K-5 that was, uh, stretched to a 4-8-2? DJE ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Asp To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About the Kit Bashing guide Stumpy - please put me on the list - let me know when its ready, and I can paypal you. Im not into auto racing, but I like running around in my old Porsche. On 2011-09-18, at 10:52 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > I shouldn't have said a word, but now that the cat is out of the bag, I'm getting buried in e-mail inquiries about it! The Flyer Steam Locomotive Kit Bashing Guide will be ready by the first week of October. Final tweeks are being finished, but my time is scarce toward the end of September. > You see, one of my other interests is auto racing and I'm announcing at different tracks that are finishing up their seasons and also doing a few mid-week races as well. > The guide is 36 pages with a photo section at the end. I'll be printing each copy out on my computer and mailing them in large manila envelopes because it is too big to e-mail, and putting it on a CD is more expensive than using paper and snail mail. > I'm not trying to make money from this, just pass along what I have learned over fifty years in model railroading. It costs me about $5.39 for paper, ink, envelope, and postage per copy, so I'm rounding it off to an even $5.00. > I'll post here on S Trains when and how to order. > I want to thank all the folks who have e-mailed me already for a copy, I had no idea it would be so popular! > Please be patient! It's coming soon. > Stumpy Stone...the "Mad Butcher" of Appalachia. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65920	From: Robert Conner	Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: About the Kit Bashing guide

STUMPY... Put me down too.... Bob Conner   PS I have a 4-4-4-2, a 4-6-6-2 and a 2-6-2 on my shelf...... I made from Atlantics and Pacifics.... Want pics? --- On Sun, 9/18/11, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: From: George Cohn <gwcohn@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About the Kit Bashing guide To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 18, 2011, 2:16 PM   On 9/18/2011 9:24 AM, Larry Asp wrote: > Stumpy - please put me on the list - let me know when its ready, and I > can paypal you. Im not into auto racing, but I like running around in my > old Porsche. So it costs you $5.39 to produce and you are selling it for $5.00? Sounds like the old joke, We're losing money on every sale but making it up in volume! :-) Put me down for a copy as well. BTW Larry, my vintage rides are a '70 Jag XK-E convertible and two '73 Datsun 240Z's, one of which I bought new! George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65921	From: Robert Conner	Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: AM AND S-HELPER

I have a small collection I am thinging of thinning out.... 4 Diesels, 2 northerns, 2-sw, 2-gg-1, 90+- Hoppers, 20+- other cars, 2 sets, 18 ore cars..... ALL ARE NIB........My idea was to have a 100 car hopper train on my layout...... Too BIG !!!!!!....Have about 7000.00 in the lot.... can bring to York..... Looking to get what I paid..... Anybody interested..... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65922	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/18/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 18, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65923	From: Bob Groh	Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: About the Kit Bashing guide

Suggestion - don't publish it on paper. Just crank out a pdf file and put it on the web someplace. No publishing expense, no mailing, no copying - Super simple to do also. I'll be glad to help you figure out how to do it. Oh, and I am very interested in getting a copy! Bob Groh Blue Springs, Missouri (just east of Kansas City) On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 9:52 AM, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > ** > > > I shouldn't have said a word, but now that the cat is out of the bag, I'm > getting buried in e-mail inquiries about it! The Flyer Steam Locomotive Kit > Bashing Guide will be ready by the first week of October. Final tweeks are > being finished, but my time is scarce toward the end of September. > You see, one of my other interests is auto racing and I'm announcing at > different tracks that are finishing up their seasons and also doing a few > mid-week races as well. > The guide is 36 pages with a photo section at the end. I'll be printing > each copy out on my computer and mailing them in large manila envelopes > because it is too big to e-mail, and putting it on a CD is more expensive > than using paper and snail mail. > I'm not trying to make money from this, just pass along what I have learned > over fifty years in model railroading. It costs me about $5.39 for paper, > ink, envelope, and postage per copy, so I'm rounding it off to an even > $5.00. > I'll post here on S Trains when and how to order. > I want to thank all the folks who have e-mailed me already for a copy, I > had no idea it would be so popular! > Please be patient! It's coming soon. > Stumpy Stone...the "Mad Butcher" of Appalachia. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65924	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: About the Kit Bashing guide

Stumpy, You're taking the wrong approach. Offer it at $19.95 plus S&H - BUT WAIT - get the second one free - just pay additional S&H. Billy Mays would be proud if you took his approach - lol. David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bob Groh <bob.groh@...> wrote: > > Suggestion - don't publish it on paper. Just crank out a pdf file and put it > on the web someplace. No publishing expense, no mailing, no copying - Super > simple to do also. I'll be glad to help you figure out how to do it. > > Oh, and I am very interested in getting a copy! > > Bob Groh > Blue Springs, Missouri (just east of Kansas City) > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 9:52 AM, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > I shouldn't have said a word, but now that the cat is out of the bag, I'm > > getting buried in e-mail inquiries about it! The Flyer Steam Locomotive Kit > > Bashing Guide will be ready by the first week of October. Final tweeks are > > being finished, but my time is scarce toward the end of September. > > You see, one of my other interests is auto racing and I'm announcing at > > different tracks that are finishing up their seasons and also doing a few > > mid-week races as well. > > The guide is 36 pages with a photo section at the end. I'll be printing > > each copy out on my computer and mailing them in large manila envelopes > > because it is too big to e-mail, and putting it on a CD is more expensive > > than using paper and snail mail. > > I'm not trying to make money from this, just pass along what I have learned > > over fifty years in model railroading. It costs me about $5.39 for paper, > > ink, envelope, and postage per copy, so I'm rounding it off to an even > > $5.00. > > I'll post here on S Trains when and how to order. > > I want to thank all the folks who have e-mailed me already for a copy, I > > had no idea it would be so popular! > > Please be patient! It's coming soon. > > Stumpy Stone...the "Mad Butcher" of Appalachia. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65925	From: Rich	Date: 9/18/2011
Subject: Re: About the Kit Bashing guide

Stumpy -- I agree with Bob's comment below. You'll save yourself a lot of hassle and time if you make it a pdf file. You could (I think) post it on the files section of this group site. Or simply send it out via email to anyone who wants it. Either way, ask for a donation and I'm sure a bunch of us would be willing to "contribute for your expertise". Besides, look at it this way, you are currently expecting to loose $0.40 per copy on the deal. If you make it a pdf and solicit voluntary contributions, you might even make beer money...! I look forward to seeing your guide. - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bob Groh <bob.groh@...> wrote: > > Suggestion - don't publish it on paper. Just crank out a pdf file and put it > on the web someplace. No publishing expense, no mailing, no copying - Super > simple to do also. I'll be glad to help you figure out how to do it. > > Oh, and I am very interested in getting a copy! > > Bob Groh > Blue Springs, Missouri (just east of Kansas City) > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 9:52 AM, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > I shouldn't have said a word, but now that the cat is out of the bag, I'm > > getting buried in e-mail inquiries about it! The Flyer Steam Locomotive Kit > > Bashing Guide will be ready by the first week of October. Final tweeks are > > being finished, but my time is scarce toward the end of September. > > You see, one of my other interests is auto racing and I'm announcing at > > different tracks that are finishing up their seasons and also doing a few > > mid-week races as well. > > The guide is 36 pages with a photo section at the end. I'll be printing > > each copy out on my computer and mailing them in large manila envelopes > > because it is too big to e-mail, and putting it on a CD is more expensive > > than using paper and snail mail. > > I'm not trying to make money from this, just pass along what I have learned > > over fifty years in model railroading. It costs me about $5.39 for paper, > > ink, envelope, and postage per copy, so I'm rounding it off to an even > > $5.00. > > I'll post here on S Trains when and how to order. > > I want to thank all the folks who have e-mailed me already for a copy, I > > had no idea it would be so popular! > > Please be patient! It's coming soon. > > Stumpy Stone...the "Mad Butcher" of Appalachia. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65926	From: Ray Cook	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: Re: Trains and Pittsburgh

The Ft Pitt Division of the TCA has a train show on Sunday the 25th at the Sheraton in Warrendale; that's about a half-hour north of the city. The show's open to the public after 10 AM.   Both NS and CSX have mainline track here, and Pennsy station downtown still has Amtrak.  NS's Conway Yard, about 20 miles west of the city, is worth a look if you haven't seen it before. --- On Sun, 9/18/11, sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> wrote: From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Trains and Pittsburgh To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 18, 2011, 10:18 AM Is there anything train related (toy or 1:1) worth checking out while in Pittsburgh?  Specifically this coming Saturday or Sunday September 24th/25th?  Stores, shows, scenic railroads, museums, layouts, etc.  Thanks. ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65927	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: About the kit bashing guide

One of the better known S gauge website guys has offered to post it on his site so that everyone can access it for free! He'll be able to get it up some time after York. I agree that this might be the best way to go, and it costs nothing to get the information out. We need to work out some details, so if everyone will be patient, it will cost nothing to have the info and ideas! I might just do the scratch building guide the same way! Thanks to everyone who has come up with ideas and interest, I am kind of amazed at the responce this is getting. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65928	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: More about the bashing guide!

I have gotten four e-mails from people who get postings as direct e-mails rather than coming to the site to read them. This morning I got two more, one polite, the other I can only describe as seething with malace. I will name neither names, but instead ask everyone to e-mail me directly if you have comments or questions. My address is: mrstumpy@... (Don't expect instant responce, my wife LIVES on our computer!) :-) This morning's nasty e-mail mentioned "leading people astray" and "disfiguring collectable toy trains," so I have a very good idea where this guy was coming from! It was not my intent to cause any problems, just help those who wish to kit bash junkers into something running and unique. As I said we're working to get the guide posted on a website, but I can say no more about that right now. When we're ready to go YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT IT. Thanks for the interest. Stumpy Stone..."disfigurer of old toy trains" and creator of unique possibilities.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65929	From: R G	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic

I too have both lenghts of boilers on the 4 piece Atlantic.  I believe they were lenghten for the smoke in boiler units to have room for the light bulb. The Doyle book does not mention it but, there are other items that were not mentioned also. From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: af 300 atlantic   I was not aware that there were two different versions of the boiler on the 4 piece Atlantic, with one having a longer smokebox. I would love to see some photos of the two different 4 piece boilers. I also thought that the 4 piece Atlantics all had the sliding type of valve gear with only an upper guide. I was under the impression that the valve gear with both an upper and lower guide rod came with the one piece boilers, both metal and plastic. Is this latter type of valve gear what you are referring to as the "sliding rivet crosshead" design? Thanks, Dale On 9/15/2011 5:59 PM, Jeff Faust wrote: > > I love the 4-piece die-cast Atlantics! They're beautiful models, and > still easy to collect. I've found 5 versions: > > 1946: 300 with relay in boiler. Tender has rectangular debossed area > for "Reading" lettering on sides. Unweighted coupler with thin shank. > > 1947: 300, similar to 1946 version, tender sides flat, full-width > shank on unweighted coupler. > > early 1948: 302 with extended smokebox to accommodate smoke unit. > Relay in tender. Brass-colored weight on coupler. > > late 1948: 302 with valve gear changed to sliding-rivet crosshead > design, boiler casting altered to fit. Otherwise similar to early '48. > Gets my vote for the best Atlantic ever made. > > 1949: 300AC, no smoke unit (cost reasons, presumably), relay returned > to boiler but extended smokebox remains. Black-painted coupler weight. > Crosshead design same as late '48. > > Starting in 1950, Gilbert started using the one-piece shells, which > aren't half as nice. > > If you're looking for quality, budget-priced Flyer engines, start with > these. I've got a couple of 300ACs (one restored to gleaming > originality, another heavily modified and knuckle/Pull-Mor equipped) > and a late 302 that I love running at shows. > > --Jeff > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > alizoo@... wrote: > > > > At least 24 - I think there may even have been about 28 according to > > Greenberg, but I no longer have a copy. I tried collecting them > > all a few years back but gave up at about 15. The one in question > > certainly sounds like the marriage of an earlier loco with a later > > tender. I bet the slot is still in the top of the boiler for the E > > unit lockout. To  memory there are a least 4 variations of the > > original 1946 loco.Unless the loco has the brass buttons underneath > > or the holes where they went it is not 1946 anyway. Alistair > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent:Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:43:14 -0400 > > Subject:Re: [S-Trains] af 300 atlantic > > > >  > > > > There are at least 24 versions of Atlantics. Best documentation of > > this is in "Doyles Standard Catalaog of American Flyer Trains" book - > > a book worth aquiring for anyone into Flyer stuff. > > > > On 2011-09-14, at 7:55 AM, R G wrote: > > > > > The first versions of the Atlantic were made of four die cast > > pices. Boiler, smoke box front, cylinders and piliot. They had wire > > hand rails and the reverse unit was in the boiler, Later when a smoke > > unit was installed the reverse unit went into the tender but the loco > > number was 302. Later they made a one piece diecast locomotive and > > than Flyer went to the plastic version. All as cost saving measures. > > I know of no 300 four piece that was made with the reverse unit in > > the tender. It may be that the tender came from a later smoke in > > boiler version. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65930	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: Re: Trains and Pittsburgh

Thanks for the replies. Interested mainly in places/events pretty much in the downtown area within say 10-15 miles or so. Saturday primarily. TCA show sounds like fun though, and Strasburg, Altoona, etc. are fun -- been to them all separately already. Has anyone heard of the Iron Horse train store there? Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65931	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: Re: Trains and Pittsburgh

Oh, and also what about The Train Gallery? Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65932	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: Re: More about the bashing guide!

Stumpy Stone, Keep on going, keep it up, freedom of choice, HOO-RAY for Stumpy.etc. I've got a box of Atlantic shells that need "help". Looking forward to the publication. Run'em til they die, then fix'em. Jim Lyle In a message dated 9/19/2011 11:12:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mrstumpy@... writes: Stumpy Stone [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65933	From: race944t	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: Kit bashing and auto racing

Stumpy: I'll take a copy too! I wonder if you would be so kind to autograph it as well? Your price is too cheap and you have not calculated all your costs so I'll send more than the $5. I'm guessing your racing is not like my racing. Sports Car Club of America (SCCA) road racing is my downfall. George: I'll see your 70 XKE and raise you with a 71 XKE. I'll call on the 240-Zs with an Austin-Healey 3000, an MGA, a Triumph GT6, and as for racing, I blew the engine on the Porsche 944 Turbo at Virginia International Raceway (near Danville, Va.) so it's getting rebuilt, better & stronger. Banker/Racer/AF train lover Bill --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: > > STUMPY... Put me down too.... Bob Conner >   > PS I have a 4-4-4-2, a 4-6-6-2 and a 2-6-2 on my shelf...... I made from Atlantics and Pacifics.... Want pics? > > --- On Sun, 9/18/11, George Cohn <gwcohn@...> wrote: > > > From: George Cohn <gwcohn@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] About the Kit Bashing guide > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, September 18, 2011, 2:16 PM > > >   > > > > On 9/18/2011 9:24 AM, Larry Asp wrote: > > Stumpy - please put me on the list - let me know when its ready, and I > > can paypal you. Im not into auto racing, but I like running around in my > > old Porsche. > > So it costs you $5.39 to produce and you are selling it for $5.00? > > Sounds like the old joke, We're losing money on every sale but making it > up in volume! :-) > > Put me down for a copy as well. > > BTW Larry, my vintage rides are a '70 Jag XK-E convertible and two '73 > Datsun 240Z's, one of which I bought new! > > George Cohn > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65934	From: R G	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: Re: More about the bashing guide!

I am with you Stumpy.  First not every toy train is a collectable.  Some are too far gone for that classification.  Second they are toys, they are your toys and you can do anything you want to do with them! Thousands to Hundreds of thousands of copies were made especially of the Atlantic. Enjoy your kit bashing, just show some pictures so I can get some ideas.  Keep up the good work From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:More about the bashing guide!   I have gotten four e-mails from people who get postings as direct e-mails rather than coming to the site to read them. This morning I got two more, one polite, the other I can only describe as seething with malace. I will name neither names, but instead ask everyone to e-mail me directly if you have comments or questions. My address is: mrstumpy@... (Don't expect instant responce, my wife LIVES on our computer!) :-) This morning's nasty e-mail mentioned "leading people astray" and "disfiguring collectable toy trains," so I have a very good idea where this guy was coming from! It was not my intent to cause any problems, just help those who wish to kit bash junkers into something running and unique. As I said we're working to get the guide posted on a website, but I can say no more about that right now. When we're ready to go YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT IT. Thanks for the interest. Stumpy Stone..."disfigurer of old toy trains" and creator of unique possibilities. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65935	From: Thorin	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: But Wait!!! Re: About the Kit Bashing guide

Ah, but for special friend of Stumpy, normally only $5.00 now only $19.95! Plus $72.50 for postage and handling by writing to 'Rip Off' care of this station. Call now! This offer should not be repeated! But Wait! That's not all! Be among the first 10 million callers and you will receive a free lobotomy! You won't feel a thing! Call now! Thorin Now performing mad kitbashing in sunny Wauwatosa, WI (Hmm. That lobotomy offer. Is that before, during, or after?) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Stumpy, > > You're taking the wrong approach. Offer it at $19.95 plus S&H - BUT WAIT - get the second one free - just pay additional S&H. Billy Mays would be proud if you took his approach - lol. > > David > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bob Groh <bob.groh@> wrote: > > > > Suggestion - don't publish it on paper. Just crank out a pdf file and put it > > on the web someplace. No publishing expense, no mailing, no copying - Super > > simple to do also. I'll be glad to help you figure out how to do it. > > > > Oh, and I am very interested in getting a copy! > > > > Bob Groh > > Blue Springs, Missouri (just east of Kansas City) > > > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 9:52 AM, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@> wrote: > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > I shouldn't have said a word, but now that the cat is out of the bag, I'm > > > getting buried in e-mail inquiries about it! The Flyer Steam Locomotive Kit > > > Bashing Guide will be ready by the first week of October. Final tweeks are > > > being finished, but my time is scarce toward the end of September. > > > You see, one of my other interests is auto racing and I'm announcing at > > > different tracks that are finishing up their seasons and also doing a few > > > mid-week races as well. > > > The guide is 36 pages with a photo section at the end. I'll be printing > > > each copy out on my computer and mailing them in large manila envelopes > > > because it is too big to e-mail, and putting it on a CD is more expensive > > > than using paper and snail mail. > > > I'm not trying to make money from this, just pass along what I have learned > > > over fifty years in model railroading. It costs me about $5.39 for paper, > > > ink, envelope, and postage per copy, so I'm rounding it off to an even > > > $5.00. > > > I'll post here on S Trains when and how to order. > > > I want to thank all the folks who have e-mailed me already for a copy, I > > > had no idea it would be so popular! > > > Please be patient! It's coming soon. > > > Stumpy Stone...the "Mad Butcher" of Appalachia. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65936	From: John McAlonan	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: Re: About the kit bashing guide

Best idea yet. And do ask for a small contribution! John "Mac" McAlonan Fire on the Ridge Farm macflyer@... I [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65937	From: jshannon148	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: Re: Trains and Pittsburgh

The Iron Horse Hobby Shop advertised in the S Gaugian mag. and had a small selection of S-scale. Now is under new owners and are an O and HO store. There is one glass case with a few used AF items. Is about 10 miles out of downtown. The restored rotunda of the old Pennsy station is worth seeing and it is downtown. There are two restored Pullman passenger cars (now private) on a siding at the station. The P&LE station (downtown but across the rivers) has been turned into restaurants and shops. You can walk through the Grand Concourse restaurant and see the rotunda waiting room with plenty of historic photos on the walls - fairly good food. There is some deteriorating rolling stock outside. The real toy treasure in downtown Pittsburgh is the Carnegie Science Center's miniature railroad. Although it is O, if you are interested in scenery and animation, it is huge. The following link will get you to the train display description: http://www.carnegiesciencecenter.org/default.aspx?pageId=452 Have Fun, John in Pittsburgh --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > > Thanks for the replies. Interested mainly in places/events pretty much in the downtown area within say 10-15 miles or so. Saturday primarily. TCA show sounds like fun though, and Strasburg, Altoona, etc. are fun -- been to them all separately already. Has anyone heard of the Iron Horse train store there? Thanks. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65938	From: Robert Conner	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: Re: More about the bashing guide!

STUMPY....Cut away.... I will continue...... I have a 2-6-2 bashed from an Atlantic / Pacific and I was going to cut up a tender and TANK CAR to make an oil tender!!!!! The tender was  cut up years ago to accept the tank.... The Tank I had set aside to use had a broken step on the frame.... No rails, no platform but NICE!!!!!! ........... IT WAS A BAKERS CHOCLETE TANKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! N ow someday I will just restore it.... Kinda glad I never cut up that cheap shell years ago..... Bob Conner --- On Mon, 9/19/11, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote: From: R G <keyhole_corona@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:More about the bashing guide! To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, September 19, 2011, 2:11 PM   I am with you Stumpy.  First not every toy train is a collectable.  Some are too far gone for that classification.  Second they are toys, they are your toys and you can do anything you want to do with them! Thousands to Hundreds of thousands of copies were made especially of the Atlantic. Enjoy your kit bashing, just show some pictures so I can get some ideas.  Keep up the good work From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:More about the bashing guide!   I have gotten four e-mails from people who get postings as direct e-mails rather than coming to the site to read them. This morning I got two more, one polite, the other I can only describe as seething with malace. I will name neither names, but instead ask everyone to e-mail me directly if you have comments or questions. My address is: mrstumpy@... (Don't expect instant responce, my wife LIVES on our computer!) :-) This morning's nasty e-mail mentioned "leading people astray" and "disfiguring collectable toy trains," so I have a very good idea where this guy was coming from! It was not my intent to cause any problems, just help those who wish to kit bash junkers into something running and unique. As I said we're working to get the guide posted on a website, but I can say no more about that right now. When we're ready to go YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT IT. Thanks for the interest. Stumpy Stone..."disfigurer of old toy trains" and creator of unique possibilities. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65939	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic

I also looked in two Greenberg guides, including the latest (not the price guide, but the full book with photos) and could not detect any differences from the photos and the only text (in the 1988 edition, page 36) noting this was "The boiler was extended to provide a place to fasten the rear of the new crosshead guide with a screw." In looking at the two photos of locomotives both with and without the screw attachment, the boiler doesn't look any longer to me, but the front flange holding the valve gear extends farther back. As to a longer boiler itself for smoke unit clearance, how much of a difference is it and where should I look for it, presumably in the front. Can you tell from relocated landmarks on the boiler? Dale On 9/19/2011 4:54 AM, R G wrote: > > I too have both lenghts of boilers on the 4 piece Atlantic. I believe > they were lenghten for the smoke in boiler units to have room for the > light bulb. The Doyle book does not mention it but, there are other > items that were not mentioned also. > > From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@... <mailto:dfsmith26%40att.net>> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 3:16 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: af 300 atlantic > > > I was not aware that there were two different versions of the boiler on > the 4 piece Atlantic, with one having a longer smokebox. I would love > to see some photos of the two different 4 piece boilers. > > I also thought that the 4 piece Atlantics all had the sliding type of > valve gear with only an upper guide. I was under the impression that > the valve gear with both an upper and lower guide rod came with the one > piece boilers, both metal and plastic. Is this latter type of valve > gear what you are referring to as the "sliding rivet crosshead" design? > > Thanks, > > Dale > > On 9/15/2011 5:59 PM, Jeff Faust wrote: > > > > I love the 4-piece die-cast Atlantics! They're beautiful models, and > > still easy to collect. I've found 5 versions: > > > > 1946: 300 with relay in boiler. Tender has rectangular debossed area > > for "Reading" lettering on sides. Unweighted coupler with thin shank. > > > > 1947: 300, similar to 1946 version, tender sides flat, full-width > > shank on unweighted coupler. > > > > early 1948: 302 with extended smokebox to accommodate smoke unit. > > Relay in tender. Brass-colored weight on coupler. > > > > late 1948: 302 with valve gear changed to sliding-rivet crosshead > > design, boiler casting altered to fit. Otherwise similar to early '48. > > Gets my vote for the best Atlantic ever made. > > > > 1949: 300AC, no smoke unit (cost reasons, presumably), relay returned > > to boiler but extended smokebox remains. Black-painted coupler weight. > > Crosshead design same as late '48. > > > > Starting in 1950, Gilbert started using the one-piece shells, which > > aren't half as nice. > > > > If you're looking for quality, budget-priced Flyer engines, start with > > these. I've got a couple of 300ACs (one restored to gleaming > > originality, another heavily modified and knuckle/Pull-Mor equipped) > > and a late 302 that I love running at shows. > > > > --Jeff > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > alizoo@... wrote: > > > > > > At least 24 - I think there may even have been about 28 according to > > > Greenberg, but I no longer have a copy. I tried collecting them > > > all a few years back but gave up at about 15. The one in question > > > certainly sounds like the marriage of an earlier loco with a later > > > tender. I bet the slot is still in the top of the boiler for the E > > > unit lockout. To  memory there are a least 4 variations of the > > > original 1946 loco.Unless the loco has the brass buttons underneath > > > or the holes where they went it is not 1946 anyway. Alistair > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > > To: > > > Cc: > > > Sent:Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:43:14 -0400 > > > Subject:Re: [S-Trains] af 300 atlantic > > > > > >  > > > > > > There are at least 24 versions of Atlantics. Best documentation of > > > this is in "Doyles Standard Catalaog of American Flyer Trains" book - > > > a book worth aquiring for anyone into Flyer stuff. > > > > > > On 2011-09-14, at 7:55 AM, R G wrote: > > > > > > > The first versions of the Atlantic were made of four die cast > > > pices. Boiler, smoke box front, cylinders and piliot. They had wire > > > hand rails and the reverse unit was in the boiler, Later when a smoke > > > unit was installed the reverse unit went into the tender but the loco > > > number was 302. Later they made a one piece diecast locomotive and > > > than Flyer went to the plastic version. All as cost saving measures. > > > I know of no 300 four piece that was made with the reverse unit in > > > the tender. It may be that the tender came from a later smoke in > > > boiler version. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65940	From: Ray Cook	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: Re: Trains and Pittsburgh

Is A.B Charles & Son still in/ near Doormont?  I'd heard they'd moved up the hill a bit, but that was a few years ago....                      Ray Cook;   Irwin, Pa --- On Mon, 9/19/11, jshannon148 <jshannon148@...> wrote: From: jshannon148 <jshannon148@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Trains and Pittsburgh To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 19, 2011, 4:29 PM The Iron Horse Hobby Shop advertised in the S Gaugian mag. and had a small selection of S-scale.  Now is under new owners and are an O and HO store.  There is one glass case with a few used AF items. Is about 10 miles out of downtown. The restored rotunda of the old Pennsy station is worth seeing and it is downtown.  There are two restored Pullman passenger cars (now private) on a siding at the station.  The P&LE station (downtown but across the rivers) has been turned into restaurants and shops.  You can walk through the Grand Concourse restaurant and see the rotunda waiting room with plenty of historic photos on the walls - fairly good food.  There is some deteriorating rolling stock outside. The real toy treasure in downtown Pittsburgh is the Carnegie Science Center's miniature railroad.  Although it is O, if you are interested in scenery and animation, it is huge.  The following link will get you to the train display description: http://www.carnegiesciencecenter.org/default.aspx?pageId=452 Have Fun, John in Pittsburgh --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > > Thanks for the replies.  Interested mainly in places/events pretty much in the downtown area within say 10-15 miles or so.  Saturday primarily.  TCA show sounds like fun though, and Strasburg, Altoona, etc. are fun -- been to them all separately already.  Has anyone  heard of the Iron Horse train store there?  Thanks. > ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65941	From: Rich	Date: 9/19/2011
Subject: Re: More about the bashing guide!

Stumpy - glad you are doing what you are doing - there's a lot of us out here that would like to do some kit bashing on otherwise "far from mint" stuff... Sorry you've become a lightning rod for some who apparently need to 'get a life' and gain some perspective. As someone said, they are your toys, after all. Yes, I have some sympathy for not wanting to see really nice stuff fall to the cutters torch, but that isn't what is being talked about here. Some of the handwringing over this reminds me of watching Antiques Roadshow. I always get a kick out of the segments that have some fantastic old piece of furniture that has been refinished and inevitably someone will say that if only it hadn't been refinished, it would be worth a bazillion dollars. Yeah, and look like a piece of crap sitting in the corner with a dark, oxidized finish, and discolored patina. As a sometime woodworker, part of the beauty in old furniture is the wood, not just the form and craftsmanship and often old oxidized finishes don't allow the beauty of the wood to be seen. So I'll take beauty for less than a bazillion... - Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > I have gotten four e-mails from people who get postings as direct e-mails rather than coming to the site to read them. This morning I got two more, one polite, the other I can only describe as seething with malace. I will name neither names, but instead ask everyone to e-mail me directly if you have comments or questions. My address is: mrstumpy@... (Don't expect instant responce, my wife LIVES on our computer!) :-) > This morning's nasty e-mail mentioned "leading people astray" and "disfiguring collectable toy trains," so I have a very good idea where this guy was coming from! > It was not my intent to cause any problems, just help those who wish to kit bash junkers into something running and unique. As I said we're working to get the guide posted on a website, but I can say no more about that right now. > When we're ready to go YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT IT. Thanks for the interest. > Stumpy Stone..."disfigurer of old toy trains" and creator of unique possibilities. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65942	From: R G	Date: 9/20/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic

The boiler was extended about a quarter inch in front of the smoke stack.  The hand rail on the earlier version is almost at the smoke box front, On the later version the smoke box extends, as I said, about a quarter inch further.  I did not notice the difference at first either when I picked up my second  four piece boiler Atlantic. When I purchased a #302 with a four piece boiler it was clear why the change was made to accomodate the smoke unit and light.  From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: af 300 atlantic   I also looked in two Greenberg guides, including the latest (not the price guide, but the full book with photos) and could not detect any differences from the photos and the only text (in the 1988 edition, page 36) noting this was "The boiler was extended to provide a place to fasten the rear of the new crosshead guide with a screw." In looking at the two photos of locomotives both with and without the screw attachment, the boiler doesn't look any longer to me, but the front flange holding the valve gear extends farther back. As to a longer boiler itself for smoke unit clearance, how much of a difference is it and where should I look for it, presumably in the front. Can you tell from relocated landmarks on the boiler? Dale On 9/19/2011 4:54 AM, R G wrote: > > I too have both lenghts of boilers on the 4 piece Atlantic. I believe > they were lenghten for the smoke in boiler units to have room for the > light bulb. The Doyle book does not mention it but, there are other > items that were not mentioned also. > > From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@... <mailto:dfsmith26%40att.net>> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 3:16 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: af 300 atlantic > > > I was not aware that there were two different versions of the boiler on > the 4 piece Atlantic, with one having a longer smokebox. I would love > to see some photos of the two different 4 piece boilers. > > I also thought that the 4 piece Atlantics all had the sliding type of > valve gear with only an upper guide. I was under the impression that > the valve gear with both an upper and lower guide rod came with the one > piece boilers, both metal and plastic. Is this latter type of valve > gear what you are referring to as the "sliding rivet crosshead" design? > > Thanks, > > Dale > > On 9/15/2011 5:59 PM, Jeff Faust wrote: > > > > I love the 4-piece die-cast Atlantics! They're beautiful models, and > > still easy to collect. I've found 5 versions: > > > > 1946: 300 with relay in boiler. Tender has rectangular debossed area > > for "Reading" lettering on sides. Unweighted coupler with thin shank. > > > > 1947: 300, similar to 1946 version, tender sides flat, full-width > > shank on unweighted coupler. > > > > early 1948: 302 with extended smokebox to accommodate smoke unit. > > Relay in tender. Brass-colored weight on coupler. > > > > late 1948: 302 with valve gear changed to sliding-rivet crosshead > > design, boiler casting altered to fit. Otherwise similar to early '48. > > Gets my vote for the best Atlantic ever made. > > > > 1949: 300AC, no smoke unit (cost reasons, presumably), relay returned > > to boiler but extended smokebox remains. Black-painted coupler weight. > > Crosshead design same as late '48. > > > > Starting in 1950, Gilbert started using the one-piece shells, which > > aren't half as nice. > > > > If you're looking for quality, budget-priced Flyer engines, start with > > these. I've got a couple of 300ACs (one restored to gleaming > > originality, another heavily modified and knuckle/Pull-Mor equipped) > > and a late 302 that I love running at shows. > > > > --Jeff > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > alizoo@... wrote: > > > > > > At least 24 - I think there may even have been about 28 according to > > > Greenberg, but I no longer have a copy. I tried collecting them > > > all a few years back but gave up at about 15. The one in question > > > certainly sounds like the marriage of an earlier loco with a later > > > tender. I bet the slot is still in the top of the boiler for the E > > > unit lockout. To  memory there are a least 4 variations of the > > > original 1946 loco.Unless the loco has the brass buttons underneath > > > or the holes where they went it is not 1946 anyway. Alistair > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > > To: > > > Cc: > > > Sent:Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:43:14 -0400 > > > Subject:Re: [S-Trains] af 300 atlantic > > > > > >  > > > > > > There are at least 24 versions of Atlantics. Best documentation of > > > this is in "Doyles Standard Catalaog of American Flyer Trains" book - > > > a book worth aquiring for anyone into Flyer stuff. > > > > > > On 2011-09-14, at 7:55 AM, R G wrote: > > > > > > > The first versions of the Atlantic were made of four die cast > > > pices. Boiler, smoke box front, cylinders and piliot. They had wire > > > hand rails and the reverse unit was in the boiler, Later when a smoke > > > unit was installed the reverse unit went into the tender but the loco > > > number was 302. Later they made a one piece diecast locomotive and > > > than Flyer went to the plastic version. All as cost saving measures. > > > I know of no 300 four piece that was made with the reverse unit in > > > the tender. It may be that the tender came from a later smoke in > > > boiler version. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65943	From: Thorin	Date: 9/20/2011
Subject: Scale or Highrail (Re: RE:More about the bashing guide!)

Ah, Stumpy, You warm my heart. I want a copy. Do you take Paypal? I have a perpetual dilemma. Every time I don't have a layout, I go scale because it is more fun to look at. Every time I have a layout, I revert to highrail because it is easier to build and run. Scale or Highrail. I love my old AF. I love detail. I love scale. I love to modify ANYTHING. (I rarely exactly follow the instructions, using them as a guide instead.) Recently I have built a scale flatcar, a scale streamlined diner, and a highrail water tender built to look like an AF product. Right now I have two Imfeld GG1 mechanisms (highrail) and two AM scale GG1 mechanisms. These are to build the same two electric locomotives. What am doing? Scale and Highrail? Up and down? Lobster claws and Kadees? Fish or cut bait? AC/DCC? Hot and cold? Null and void? Fair and warmer? Do not fold, spindle, or mutilate? Loosing it in Wauwatosa, WI Thorin --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote: I am with you Stumpy.  First not every toy train is a collectible.  Some are too far gone for that classification.  Second they are toys, they are your toys and you can do anything you want to do with them! Thousands to Hundreds of thousands of copies were made especially of the Atlantic. Enjoy your kit bashing, just show some pictures so I can get some ideas.  Keep up the good work From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:29 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:More about the bashing guide! I have gotten four e-mails from people who get postings as direct e-mails rather than coming to the site to read them. This morning I got two more, one polite, the other I can only describe as seething with malace. I will name neither names, but instead ask everyone to e-mail me directly if you have comments or questions. My address is: mrstumpy@... (Don't expect instant responce, my wife LIVES on our computer!) :-) This morning's nasty e-mail mentioned "leading people astray" and "disfiguring collectable toy trains," so I have a very good idea where this guy was coming from! It was not my intent to cause any problems, just help those who wish to kit bash junkers into something running and unique. As I said we're working to get the guide posted on a website, but I can say no more about that right now. When we're ready to go YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT IT. Thanks for the interest. Stumpy Stone..."disfigurer of old toy trains" and creator of unique possibilities.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65944	From: Ray Puls	Date: 9/20/2011
Subject: S Helper wheel sets

Hello group, I have approximately two dozen scale wheel sets for S Helper freight cars. I am willing to trade these for a comparable number of S Helper wheel sets for American flyer cars. Any interest, contact me on or off list. Thanks Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65945	From: G C	Date: 9/20/2011
Subject: Re: More about the bashing guide!

To the "friendly" and "not so friendly" who responded to Stumpy's announcement for his Kitbashing Locomotives booklet.......... First, I was happy to see that many of you were appreciative of his efforts to supply us with some sort of much needed direction as to how to proceed with customizing old basket case, severely rusted or otherwise broken Flyer locomotives. To those of you who might see his work as "leading us astray". Let me just say...... that it is interesting that this or that individual would make such a statement without actually having seen what Stumpy has even written. Over a period of time, Stumpy and I have had some private conversations (both by email as well as by phone). No where in what Stumpy wrote does he advocate taking a collectible locomotive and "having at it". He even tells us that we should guard against the chop shops of E Bay where a good, sometimes collectible,  locomotive is pulled apart and individual components are sold. One of you offered that they like choices. Well I like having a choice too. If S Gauge is to grow and not remain in the realm of just the collectible, then how does having any thing kept as purely an investment (never to see the light of day while in that perfect box) going to help the hobby. I will just say that if they are able to afford the collectible, good for them, but please don't dictate to the rest of us what to do with or how to have fun with our trains. Perhaps there vision of the hobby resides only in the collectible. For me, making a common Flyer caboose look, taste and smell more like a Reading or Western Maryland prototype is in no way a step toward destroying a collectible "holy relic" of the AC Gilbert days. I'm sure Frank Titman never thought twice about bashing a  quite common Reading Atlantic into a Consolidation or a Pacific. Same goes for taking a Flyer C&NW Pacific and turning into something that better reflects the original North Western light Pacific. Just explain to those of us who like to be creative, how any of this could be deemed "leading us astray? How many collectors have old broken locomotives on their shelves? If they need a part to restore something fine, but does that make the collectible legitimate? I do understand that there are folks out there who actually collect and run trains . That's fine too. I myself see working or playing with S gauge as a fun way of getting relaxation and pretending that some of my trains reflect history or reality. To do that I at times have to borrow from what Dr Gilbert produced. After all unlike Lionel, old Flyer is and was closer to scale. Oh and by the way, if you think of me as vile for writing this, we can just agree to disagree! Gene Cimino (Proud member of The Brotherhood of Bashers) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65946	From: johntech	Date: 9/20/2011
Subject: Re: More about the bashing guide!

For anyone who may be interested, I have a small snippet about how I chopped down a Baldwin shell to fit on the power truck using the S-N-S can motor. I got some pickup buttons for the power that I got a while back that I havent got mounted yet. I can add it to Stumpys stuff or zip it up and send to you directly John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65947	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/20/2011
Subject: Re: af 300 atlantic

RG, Thanks for the details which helped me find it in the guides. It is strange that such a major casting change is not documented in the text of any of the Greenberg Guides that I have, or in the Doyle book either. With your description, I was able to find photo examples of both castings in the most recent Greenberg Guide and in Doyle. The best photos are in Doyle at page 18 for the short boiler (300 Type II) and page 19 for the longer boiler (302 Type I). After finding the difference, it seems so obvious that I find it strange that I didn't notice it earlier. It is interesting that the 4 piece 300AC also used the long boiler, even though it had no smoke unit. Now I will have to go through my collection of Atlantics to see which versions I have. It provides an excellent means of dating the early Atlantics. Thanks for the info. Dale On 9/20/2011 4:49 AM, R G wrote: > > The boiler was extended about a quarter inch in front of the smoke > stack. The hand rail on the earlier version is almost at the smoke > box front, On the later version the smoke box extends, as I said, > about a quarter inch further. I did not notice the difference at > first either when I picked up my second four piece boiler Atlantic. > When I purchased a #302 with a four piece boiler it was clear why the > change was made to accomodate the smoke unit and light. > > From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@... <mailto:dfsmith26%40att.net>> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 5:20 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: af 300 atlantic > > > I also looked in two Greenberg guides, including the latest (not the > price guide, but the full book with photos) and could not detect any > differences from the photos and the only text (in the 1988 edition, page > 36) noting this was "The boiler was extended to provide a place to > fasten the rear of the new crosshead guide with a screw." In looking at > the two photos of locomotives both with and without the screw > attachment, the boiler doesn't look any longer to me, but the front > flange holding the valve gear extends farther back. As to a longer > boiler itself for smoke unit clearance, how much of a difference is it > and where should I look for it, presumably in the front. Can you tell > from relocated landmarks on the boiler? > > Dale > > On 9/19/2011 4:54 AM, R G wrote: > > > > I too have both lenghts of boilers on the 4 piece Atlantic. I believe > > they were lenghten for the smoke in boiler units to have room for the > > light bulb. The Doyle book does not mention it but, there are other > > items that were not mentioned also. > > > > From: Dale Smith <dfsmith26@... <mailto:dfsmith26%40att.net> > <mailto:dfsmith26%40att.net>> > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 3:16 PM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: af 300 atlantic > > > > > > I was not aware that there were two different versions of the boiler on > > the 4 piece Atlantic, with one having a longer smokebox. I would love > > to see some photos of the two different 4 piece boilers. > > > > I also thought that the 4 piece Atlantics all had the sliding type of > > valve gear with only an upper guide. I was under the impression that > > the valve gear with both an upper and lower guide rod came with the one > > piece boilers, both metal and plastic. Is this latter type of valve > > gear what you are referring to as the "sliding rivet crosshead" design? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dale > > > > On 9/15/2011 5:59 PM, Jeff Faust wrote: > > > > > > I love the 4-piece die-cast Atlantics! They're beautiful models, and > > > still easy to collect. I've found 5 versions: > > > > > > 1946: 300 with relay in boiler. Tender has rectangular debossed area > > > for "Reading" lettering on sides. Unweighted coupler with thin shank. > > > > > > 1947: 300, similar to 1946 version, tender sides flat, full-width > > > shank on unweighted coupler. > > > > > > early 1948: 302 with extended smokebox to accommodate smoke unit. > > > Relay in tender. Brass-colored weight on coupler. > > > > > > late 1948: 302 with valve gear changed to sliding-rivet crosshead > > > design, boiler casting altered to fit. Otherwise similar to early '48. > > > Gets my vote for the best Atlantic ever made. > > > > > > 1949: 300AC, no smoke unit (cost reasons, presumably), relay returned > > > to boiler but extended smokebox remains. Black-painted coupler weight. > > > Crosshead design same as late '48. > > > > > > Starting in 1950, Gilbert started using the one-piece shells, which > > > aren't half as nice. > > > > > > If you're looking for quality, budget-priced Flyer engines, start with > > > these. I've got a couple of 300ACs (one restored to gleaming > > > originality, another heavily modified and knuckle/Pull-Mor equipped) > > > and a late 302 that I love running at shows. > > > > > > --Jeff > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > alizoo@... wrote: > > > > > > > > At least 24 - I think there may even have been about 28 > according to > > > > Greenberg, but I no longer have a copy. I tried collecting them > > > > all a few years back but gave up at about 15. The one in question > > > > certainly sounds like the marriage of an earlier loco with a later > > > > tender. I bet the slot is still in the top of the boiler for the E > > > > unit lockout. To  memory there are a least 4 variations of the > > > > original 1946 loco.Unless the loco has the brass buttons underneath > > > > or the holes where they went it is not 1946 anyway. Alistair > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > To: > > > > Cc: > > > > Sent:Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:43:14 -0400 > > > > Subject:Re: [S-Trains] af 300 atlantic > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > There are at least 24 versions of Atlantics. Best documentation of > > > > this is in "Doyles Standard Catalaog of American Flyer Trains" > book - > > > > a book worth aquiring for anyone into Flyer stuff. > > > > > > > > On 2011-09-14, at 7:55 AM, R G wrote: > > > > > > > > > The first versions of the Atlantic were made of four die cast > > > > pices. Boiler, smoke box front, cylinders and piliot. They had wire > > > > hand rails and the reverse unit was in the boiler, Later when a > smoke > > > > unit was installed the reverse unit went into the tender but the > loco > > > > number was 302. Later they made a one piece diecast locomotive and > > > > than Flyer went to the plastic version. All as cost saving measures. > > > > I know of no 300 four piece that was made with the reverse unit in > > > > the tender. It may be that the tender came from a later smoke in > > > > boiler version. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65948	From: jshannon148	Date: 9/20/2011
Subject: Re: Trains and Pittsburgh

Ray, AB Charles is still doing well. Now run by the son. They moved from Dormont down the hill about 1/2 mile to a larger building on Banksville Road. They have maybe a dozen or so AF in a case. They are O and HO, and even that is a very small amount of their hobby floor space. John in Pittsburgh --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Ray Cook <maroonlionel8@...> wrote: > > Is A.B Charles & Son still in/ near Doormont?  I'd heard they'd moved up the hill a bit, but that was a few years ago....                      Ray Cook;   Irwin, Pa > > --- On Mon, 9/19/11, jshannon148 <jshannon148@...> wrote: > > > From: jshannon148 <jshannon148@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Trains and Pittsburgh > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, September 19, 2011, 4:29 PM > > > The Iron Horse Hobby Shop advertised in the S Gaugian mag. and had a small selection of S-scale.  Now is under new owners and are an O and HO store.  There is one glass case with a few used AF items. Is about 10 miles out of downtown. > > The restored rotunda of the old Pennsy station is worth seeing and it is downtown.  There are two restored Pullman passenger cars (now private) on a siding at the station.  The P&LE station (downtown but across the rivers) has been turned into restaurants and shops.  You can walk through the Grand Concourse restaurant and see the rotunda waiting room with plenty of historic photos on the walls - fairly good food.  There is some deteriorating rolling stock outside. > > The real toy treasure in downtown Pittsburgh is the Carnegie Science Center's miniature railroad.  Although it is O, if you are interested in scenery and animation, it is huge.  The following link will get you to the train display description: > > http://www.carnegiesciencecenter.org/default.aspx?pageId=452 > > Have Fun, > > John in Pittsburgh > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@> wrote: > > > > Thanks for the replies.  Interested mainly in places/events pretty much in the downtown area within say 10-15 miles or so.  Saturday primarily.  TCA show sounds like fun though, and Strasburg, Altoona, etc. are fun -- been to them all separately already.  Has anyone  heard of the Iron Horse train store there?  Thanks. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65949	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/20/2011
Subject: Re: Scale or Highrail (Re: RE:More about the bashing guide!)

Hi Thorin, It is clear that you have it exactly right. Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 9/20/2011 8:57 AM, Thorin wrote: > Ah, Stumpy, > You warm my heart. I want a copy. Do you take Paypal? I have a perpetual dilemma. Every time I don't have a layout, I go scale because it is more fun to look at. Every time I have a layout, I revert to highrail because it is easier to build and run. Scale or Highrail. I love my old AF. I love detail. I love scale. I love to modify ANYTHING. (I rarely exactly follow the instructions, using them as a guide instead.) > Recently I have built a scale flatcar, a scale streamlined diner, and a highrail water tender built to look like an AF product. > Right now I have two Imfeld GG1 mechanisms (highrail) and two AM scale GG1 mechanisms. These are to build the same two electric locomotives. > > What am doing? Scale and Highrail? Up and down? Lobster claws and Kadees? Fish or cut bait? AC/DCC? Hot and cold? Null and void? Fair and warmer? Do not fold, spindle, or mutilate? > > Loosing it in Wauwatosa, WI > Thorin >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65950	From: Jonathan Hatfield	Date: 9/20/2011
Subject: Wanted: SHS Flex track

Looking for SHS flex track. Contact me off list. Regards, Jonathan Blogs: http://RailfanX.blogspot.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/jonnyspeed Linked In: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jhatfield [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65951	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/21/2011
Subject: Re: Wanted: SHS Flex track

Me, too.  Our club has plans for new modules, but needs track to implement them.  We'd appreciate any help you can give. ________________________________ From: Jonathan Hatfield <jonathan@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 5:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Wanted: SHS Flex track   Looking for SHS flex track. Contact me off list. Regards, Jonathan Blogs: http://RailfanX.blogspot.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/jonnyspeed Linked In: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jhatfield [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65952	From: Scott	Date: 9/21/2011
Subject: American Flyer Army Train

Hey, I wanted to ask around if anybody has ever heard of the American Flyer Army Train, and I do not mean the Defender set. I have been investigating several rare cars in a collection and one of them is rumored to be the prototype for the American Flyer army train. It is an olive drab plastic boxcar(No other Flyer Car matches this color) and is authentic Flyer. This army train prototype was supposed to be link, and if anybody has any information, I will be truly grateful. Thanks. Sincerely, Scott Miller

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65953	From: Gene Cimino	Date: 9/21/2011
Subject: Scale or Highrail (Re: RE:More about the bashing guide!)

Thorin..... Sounds like what you're doing is very simple..... You're having lots of fun. Just go with it. Details are really cool, if you can make or find them. "If it looks, smells and tastes like a locomotive.... It is a locomotive". It's just that simple. I can't remember who it was, but the writer was a former railroad engineer. In so many words, he said that he saw a lot of Hi-rail layouts that better resembled the real thing than certain scale ones. That's where the quote came from. Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65954	From: Dave in Maryland	Date: 9/22/2011
Subject: "150 Years of Model Trains" book by Harold (Hal) Carstens

I have the 1999 hardback book for sale, "150 Years of Model Trains." It is in excellent condition (never read)and I'd like to pass it along for $10 plus priority mail shipping. Amazon prices for a used copy range from $16.50 to $35. Among the many b&w and color pictures inside are two of A.C. Gilbert and two of the S gauge American Flyer Gilbert Hall of Science layout from the mid 1950s in downtown Manhattan, all in b&w. Please respond directly to my email.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65955	From: Dave	Date: 9/22/2011
Subject: SHS Flex Track Avaliable

We have two boxes of "S" Helper flex track. one #SHS00465 (6 pieces) and one #SHS00466 (24 pieces). Make us an offer off list before we move it to our Ebay site in the morning 09-23-2011. Highest offer takes the lot. We will pay USPS PRIORITY SHIPPING in CONUS. Please no foreign offers as we do not ship internationally. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc dave@... lbrenterprisesllc@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65956	From: Dale Smith	Date: 9/22/2011
Subject: Re: "150 Years of Model Trains" book by Harold (Hal) Carstens

I highly recommend this book. It is filled with a wealth of details of the history of the model railroad hobby. It is a Carstens publication and Hal Carstens had a knack for getting a lot of Gilbert photos, many of which appear in this book and in old issues of Toy Trains Magazine. The cover photo of this book is of the 2nd Floor New York Hall of Science Layout taken around 1952-1953. Dale On 9/22/2011 6:24 AM, Dave in Maryland wrote: > > I have the 1999 hardback book for sale, "150 Years of Model Trains." > It is in excellent condition (never read)and I'd like to pass it along > for $10 plus priority mail shipping. Amazon prices for a used copy > range from $16.50 to $35. Among the many b&w and color pictures inside > are two of A.C. Gilbert and two of the S gauge American Flyer Gilbert > Hall of Science layout from the mid 1950s in downtown Manhattan, all > in b&w. Please respond directly to my email. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65957	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 9/23/2011
Subject: Baseball Season Closing Down

The Baseball season on my layout is closing down, as SI was on hand for one of the last games in my little town. PINHEADS EXTEND WINNING STREAK TO ONE Dingburg, MD (Sports Illustrated) – The D&K Pinheads, once considered at risk to be dropped from the triple-D-minus Southern Montgomery County Semi-Amateur League, achieved a stunning 1-0 upset victory against the twelfth-ranked Mudville Flats Salamanders. Center fielder Esteban “Mosquito” Rodriguez was named Player of the Game after he retrieved a fly ball from a stand of corn growing along Railroad Avenue, thereby ending the game before Mudville could score the tying run. Rodriguez’s feat is all the more remarkable since team members had not seen him in the past four weeks. Mudville Flats starting pitcher Milt Phamey fanned six straight during the first two innings, then began quenching his thirst with take-out delivered to the dugout from Stadium Tavern. His throwing became more and more erratic, finally permitting Dingburg’s Aulbert Szent Gyorgyi to score on a fielding error after having walked the bases loaded in the seventh inning. Remains of three six-packs were cleaned up by D&K custodian Lubert Stryer, prompting a remark about the beer that made Milt Phamey walk us. Total paid attendance was well over seven persons. The stalwart fans expected a display of fireworks after this great victory, but reportedly team owner Hugo Chavez was unable to locate a match. Phamey retired to Sindbad’s immediately after the game, and could not be awakened for comment. GW [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65958	From: David Highfield	Date: 9/23/2011
Subject: Carstens book is sold.

Thanks for the responses. The book was sold quickly. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65959	From: Dave	Date: 9/23/2011
Subject: SHS Flex Track

The track has sold. Thank you all for your interest. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65960	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 9/24/2011
Subject: Re: Baseball Season Closing Down

Hi Michael, I don’t normally follow baseball, but for some reason I happened to read your account of the game in your little town and was surprised to see Aulbert Szent Gyorgyi in the lineup. I always had thought he was a “C”-level player out of Actin, Ohio. Having spent three years in graduate school working in electrophysiology, his name was not totally unknown to me. Of course that got me to thinking and caused me to also look up Stryer and Chavez. Got to pay more attention to these things in the future I guess. I didn’t heretofore realize that train layout baseball was such a subtle game. Maybe next season the Pinheads can play a team out of Batavia, Illinois. If nothing else, the game would CERNtainly not be a Bohr. Keep up the good work! Jerry Feldman From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 3:32 AM To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com; S-Trains@yahoogroups.com; Steve Conard Subject: [S-Trains] Baseball Season Closing Down The Baseball season on my layout is closing down, as SI was on hand for one of the last games in my little town. PINHEADS EXTEND WINNING STREAK TO ONE Dingburg, MD (Sports Illustrated) – The D&K Pinheads, once considered at risk to be dropped from the triple-D-minus Southern Montgomery County Semi-Amateur League, achieved a stunning 1-0 upset victory against the twelfth-ranked Mudville Flats Salamanders. Center fielder Esteban “Mosquito” Rodriguez was named Player of the Game after he retrieved a fly ball from a stand of corn growing along Railroad Avenue, thereby ending the game before Mudville could score the tying run. Rodriguez’s feat is all the more remarkable since team members had not seen him in the past four weeks. Mudville Flats starting pitcher Milt Phamey fanned six straight during the first two innings, then began quenching his thirst with take-out delivered to the dugout from Stadium Tavern. His throwing became more and more erratic, finally permitting Dingburg’s Aulbert Szent Gyorgyi to score on a fielding error after having walked the bases loaded in the seventh inning. Remains of three six-packs were cleaned up by D&K custodian Lubert Stryer, prompting a remark about the beer that made Milt Phamey walk us. Total paid attendance was well over seven persons. The stalwart fans expected a display of fireworks after this great victory, but reportedly team owner Hugo Chavez was unable to locate a match. Phamey retired to Sindbad’s immediately after the game, and could not be awakened for comment. GW [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65961	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 9/24/2011
Subject: Re: Baseball Season Closing Down

Hi Jerry, That was written by a ghost writer for SI, not me. I never heard of Mr. Gyorgyi, so you know more about him than me. Ghost writer has a background in chemistry so that could be the connection. I was hoping the Pinheads might play the team in Batavia New York, but Illinois would be okay. Thanks, Mike From: Gerald Feldman Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 5:42 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Baseball Season Closing Down Hi Michael, I don’t normally follow baseball, but for some reason I happened to read your account of the game in your little town and was surprised to see Aulbert Szent Gyorgyi in the lineup. I always had thought he was a “C”-level player out of Actin, Ohio. Having spent three years in graduate school working in electrophysiology, his name was not totally unknown to me. Of course that got me to thinking and caused me to also look up Stryer and Chavez. Got to pay more attention to these things in the future I guess. I didn’t heretofore realize that train layout baseball was such a subtle game. Maybe next season the Pinheads can play a team out of Batavia, Illinois. If nothing else, the game would CERNtainly not be a Bohr. Keep up the good work! Jerry Feldman From: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 3:32 AM To: mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com; mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com; Steve Conard Subject: [S-Trains] Baseball Season Closing Down The Baseball season on my layout is closing down, as SI was on hand for one of the last games in my little town. PINHEADS EXTEND WINNING STREAK TO ONE Dingburg, MD (Sports Illustrated) – The D&K Pinheads, once considered at risk to be dropped from the triple-D-minus Southern Montgomery County Semi-Amateur League, achieved a stunning 1-0 upset victory against the twelfth-ranked Mudville Flats Salamanders. Center fielder Esteban “Mosquito” Rodriguez was named Player of the Game after he retrieved a fly ball from a stand of corn growing along Railroad Avenue, thereby ending the game before Mudville could score the tying run. Rodriguez’s feat is all the more remarkable since team members had not seen him in the past four weeks. Mudville Flats starting pitcher Milt Phamey fanned six straight during the first two innings, then began quenching his thirst with take-out delivered to the dugout from Stadium Tavern. His throwing became more and more erratic, finally permitting Dingburg’s Aulbert Szent Gyorgyi to score on a fielding error after having walked the bases loaded in the seventh inning. Remains of three six-packs were cleaned up by D&K custodian Lubert Stryer, prompting a remark about the beer that made Milt Phamey walk us. Total paid attendance was well over seven persons. The stalwart fans expected a display of fireworks after this great victory, but reportedly team owner Hugo Chavez was unable to locate a match. Phamey retired to Sindbad’s immediately after the game, and could not be awakened for comment. GW [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65962	From: George Cohn	Date: 9/24/2011
Subject: Re: Baseball Season Closing Down

On 9/24/2011 8:03 AM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > Hi Jerry, > > That was written by a ghost writer for SI, not me. Mr Gyorgy was celebrated on September 16 by Google for his discovery of vitamin C. Also never realized that Hugo Chavez spent his off season as President of Venezuela! Interesting team you have there. :-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65963	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/24/2011
Subject: Fw: Train Show in Monroe, MI

There's a train show in the MBT Expo Center, 3775 Custer Rd (M 50), Monroe Mich, tomorrow, Sun 25 Sept from 10 AM to 4 PM. This is not that far north of Toledo Ohio, and is a successor to the shows that the FOTMRRs used to put on in Maumee. I'll be there selling AM, SHS, SSM, SMMW, &c as usual, and in spite of current supply problems I still have a lot of stuff that your collection lacks. The Southeastern Michigan S Gaugers will also have their big show layout running, 2 high-rail tracks and one scale. That alone should be worth the price of admission. Tom Hawley http://michmod.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65964	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 9/24/2011
Subject: Re: Baseball Season Closing Down

I never heard of Mr. Gyorgy, as my ghost writer friend is a professor of Chemistry at a University in Ohio. So that is why he knows of these people in his writings. His only flaw is he is a 3 rail person. But it would have been neat to have a professor like him in college as I went to U of MD who got blasted by Temple today in football. Oh well. Actually the ghost writer is a really good friend. Yes, Hugo is connected to some kind of job in Venezuela, something like Dictator or something like that. But he rules my town on layout of the town of D&K RR. He also manages the D&K RR Pinheads Baseball club, as he makes sure the visiting team bus always buys Citgo Gas, but my gas station in town is a Esso. Gosh some person on a folk group did not know what the line about a Esso station was a few years ago, as he thought it was S O station. Time has forgotten many of the old names we have on our layouts. Hugo carried a special briefcase so that he can be in touch with South America as he runs my town. Anyway, just a reminder on how Mr. Hugo got to my layout was because someone, not on this list, but the TCA list got quite upset with me having that Citgo Sign at my ballpark, as I have a Fenway Park type scoreboard, as that Citgo Sign is Fenway Park and Boston, who got killed today by the Yankees. Sooooooo, I said no politics is going to take away from my layout and what I like, so that is the Hugo connection, just in case any one was not sure why I had him running the town, as Che is his assistant. Che is Hugo’s partner in crime as he was from Argentina, a medical student too, and helped overthrow the Cuba government. So my little town is a safe heaven for these guys, as Che is dead now, but lives on by running David’s Eats at the ballpark. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA0MiMQjO8w Richard Shindell’s Che Guevara T Shirt song, about a guy stow away on a ship, as Che Guevara T Shirt is mention in the song, as this is a shirt I might wear to York in April. Anyway, just having some fun with this, nothing more. Besides, Citgo was Cities Service at one time and that was a favorite gas logo to me as a kid. Mike Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 1:48 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Baseball Season Closing Down On 9/24/2011 8:03 AM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > Hi Jerry, > > That was written by a ghost writer for SI, not me. Mr Gyorgy was celebrated on September 16 by Google for his discovery of vitamin C. Also never realized that Hugo Chavez spent his off season as President of Venezuela! Interesting team you have there. :-) George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65965	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/24/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/25/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 25, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 4 minutes. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65966	From: JFrederick Roberts	Date: 9/24/2011
Subject: Re: Baseball Season Closing Down

Well, there is a CITGO sign in the outfield Also never realized that Hugo Chavez spent his off season as President of Venezuela! Interesting team you have there. : jfred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65967	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/24/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC & SHORTS

What happens to the electronics when your engine shorts out on the tracks? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65968	From: Ray Puls	Date: 9/25/2011
Subject: TMCC & Shorts

I have not had any problems when shorts have occurred because of a derailment of an engine or cars on my layout. I have also carelessly left tools across the rails and have no ill effects other than maybe having to start the Rail-sounds again, this only involves shutting down the power for about ten seconds and the restoring power to the rails. I do use the Powermasters that Lionel sells and they are very effective and very fast circuit breakers. These Powermasters also allow me to run my conventional engines, the engine either Flyonel or Gilbert that do not have driver boards in them, with the wireless remote. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65969	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 9/25/2011
Subject: Re: Baseball Season Closing Down

Yes, again, there is a Citgo Sign in my outfield and at Fenway, as one O guager was mad at me for having a Citgo Sign on my layout due to Hugo and Citgo having ties to Venezuela and maybe to each other. But then we do have Joe For Oil from Venezuela and Citgo.. So that is why I made Hugo the leader of my little town. Miller Engineering who makes the Citgo Signs, gets this crap, err, stuff all the time from potential buyers. Not sure then if they buy anything from his company as they don’t like his Citgo sign either. No politics on my layout except that Hugo skims the admissions and concessions money for his bank account at the Bank of Dingburg with locations in Dingburg MD and Switzerland. The Bank still has a Christmas Club accounts and they still give you a toaster when you open a account. See branch manager, Hugo V., can’t miss him with his big name badge on, for details. Mike From: JFrederick Roberts Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 10:11 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Baseball Season Closing Down Well, there is a CITGO sign in the outfield Also never realized that Hugo Chavez spent his off season as President of Venezuela! Interesting team you have there. : jfred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65970	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 9/25/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 9/25/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday September 25, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65971	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/25/2011
Subject: Dept. 56 Uptown Motors Video plus ....

Hi All, I have just posted a video of the Dept. 56 Uptown Motors on my layout. There is also a surprise for any classic car fans a couple of minutes into the video. You can check out the video here: http://tinyurl.com/3csrnfr While at YouTube please take a look at my other videos. Enjoy! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65972	From: Eric	Date: 9/25/2011
Subject: Fall housecleaning (for sale items)

I have some projects and some otherwise extra rollingstock to clear out. 1. American Models 5 car Heavyweight Passenger Set. Pullman green. Baggage, RPO, Observation, combine,coach. These are high rail wheels with the small truck mounted couplers. I can change them to Scale wheels if wanted. New from AM is $319, I will sell for $265. shipping included to USA. all new in box, never run. 2. S Helper Western Pacific orange boxcar. WP20801, shs01024. list is $55, sell for $40 + shipping , like new in box (test run) 3. American models Burlington northern, black 4 bay hopper hi-rail knuckles. Sell for $35 plus ship, slightly used, like new in box 4. S helper 00571 Baby Ruth NADX 6268 refer, new in box. sell for $45 plus ship 5. Lionel Flyer 4 car passenger set heavyweight cars 6-48978. new in box $300 plus ship. 6. Lionel flyer depressed center flat car GN, with cannisters, 6-48550. $25 plus ship new in box 7. Project. American models 80 foot 10-1-2 passenger car. HX-8200 undecorated, clear roof, etc. ($70), included is the Palace car 9702 interior kit for the 10-1-2 ($35) and a American models lighting kit ($7) as wellas a set of 40 K-line painted seated people that are pretty close to S-Scale.($24), That totals to $136 and I will sell for $120 shipping included to USA. Your choice of wheel types 8. Project. American models 80 ft cafe car. HX 8300 Pullman green body with clear top. includes AM lighting kit. New $70 +7. Sell for $60 plus ship. 9. American models 4-8-4 northern steam engine. (am number 48404) Burlington painted. Test run only otherwise new in box. New is $400, Sell for $350 plus shipping. Let me know on any of this, make me an offer. I can accept checks and paypal. everything is sold as is, but basically it is all new in the box. I can send a picture of things if you wish. Eric Reis Kenmore, WA. ericrhere@... TCA since 87, NASG since 86, ebay, etc. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65973	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 9/25/2011
Subject: Fw: AF steamers

Can someone help me give my friend Joseph some answers to his questions, as I know about the wheels being two pieces, and that the engine gets it power via the tender. But I am not sure of his other questions. Mike From: Joseph Lechner Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 1:53 PM To: mlmarmer@... Subject: AF steamers Mike, help me out please… There have been some incredibly dumb comments in CTT about the unrealistic “whitewall tires” on Gilbert AF steam locos… as if someone deliberately painted them that way. I always assumed these were the insulation between the metal wheel rims and the metal wheel centers, which any 2-rail loco would need. However there are differing reports on what the white is made of – ceramic ? or injection-molded plastic? How is electricity transferred from the wheel rims to the loco? Or do postwar AF steamers rely on the tender for pickup? Will steamers operate without a tender attached? Are the driver centers die-cast or are they made of powdered metal? Thanks, Joseph Lechner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65974	From: Brady	Date: 9/25/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC & SHORTS

> What happens to the electronics when your engine shorts out on the tracks? > Mike > Modern power supplies normally have pretty fast curcuit breakers, but the breakers on vintage transformers probably are not fast enough to avoid damage to circuit boards if there's a derailment. If you're using a Gilbert (or postwar Lionel) transformer with TMCC consider adding a fast-blow fuse. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65975	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/25/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: AF steamers

In a message dated 9/25/2011 8:37:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mlmarmer@... writes: However there are differing reports on what the white is made of – ceramic ? or injection-molded plastic? Some kind of plastic, may have changed during the life of the run. How is electricity transferred from the wheel rims to the loco? Or do postwar AF steamers rely on the tender for pickup? Will steamers operate without a tender attached? Tender pick-up, loco wheels are insulated/isolated. Nope, not without some kind of pick-up installed on loco. Are the driver centers die-cast or are they made of powdered metal? Most likely cast, the few I have separated I treated "kindly". Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65976	From: Frank	Date: 9/25/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: AF steamers

The white walls should be on S locos to prevent shorting out the motor or electrical system. Must have the tender with pick up wheels. The engine on track will not operate on it's own like O Flyer will. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 25, 2011, at 8:34 PM, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > Can someone help me give my friend Joseph some answers to his questions, as I know about the wheels being two pieces, and that the engine gets it power via the tender. > > But I am not sure of his other questions. > > Mike > > From: Joseph Lechner > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 1:53 PM > To: mlmarmer@... > Subject: AF steamers > > Mike, help me out please… > > There have been some incredibly dumb comments in CTT about the unrealistic “whitewall tires” on Gilbert AF steam locos… as if someone deliberately painted them that way. > > I always assumed these were the insulation between the metal wheel rims and the metal wheel centers, which any 2-rail loco would need. > > However there are differing reports on what the white is made of – ceramic ? or injection-molded plastic? > > How is electricity transferred from the wheel rims to the loco? Or do postwar AF steamers rely on the tender for pickup? Will steamers operate without a tender attached? > > Are the driver centers die-cast or are they made of powdered metal? > > Thanks, > > Joseph Lechner > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65977	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 9/25/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: AF steamers

Jim, thanks for the answers as I am passing it along to Joseph. Mike From: WJJIM@... Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 8:41 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; Joseph.Lechner@... Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: AF steamers In a message dated 9/25/2011 8:37:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net writes: However there are differing reports on what the white is made of – ceramic ? or injection-molded plastic? Some kind of plastic, may have changed during the life of the run. How is electricity transferred from the wheel rims to the loco? Or do postwar AF steamers rely on the tender for pickup? Will steamers operate without a tender attached? Tender pick-up, loco wheels are insulated/isolated. Nope, not without some kind of pick-up installed on loco. Are the driver centers die-cast or are they made of powdered metal? Most likely cast, the few I have separated I treated "kindly". Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65978	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 9/25/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: AF steamers

thanks Frank. Mike From: Frank Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 8:51 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: AF steamers The white walls should be on S locos to prevent shorting out the motor or electrical system. Must have the tender with pick up wheels. The engine on track will not operate on it's own like O Flyer will. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 25, 2011, at 8:34 PM, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> wrote: > Can someone help me give my friend Joseph some answers to his questions, as I know about the wheels being two pieces, and that the engine gets it power via the tender. > > But I am not sure of his other questions. > > Mike > > From: Joseph Lechner > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 1:53 PM > To: mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net > Subject: AF steamers > > Mike, help me out please… > > There have been some incredibly dumb comments in CTT about the unrealistic “whitewall tires” on Gilbert AF steam locos… as if someone deliberately painted them that way. > > I always assumed these were the insulation between the metal wheel rims and the metal wheel centers, which any 2-rail loco would need. > > However there are differing reports on what the white is made of – ceramic ? or injection-molded plastic? > > How is electricity transferred from the wheel rims to the loco? Or do postwar AF steamers rely on the tender for pickup? Will steamers operate without a tender attached? > > Are the driver centers die-cast or are they made of powdered metal? > > Thanks, > > Joseph Lechner > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65979	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 9/25/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: AF steamers

The whitewalls are plastic. All rely on tender or metal slider pickup. Most early wheel centrres are diecast. Very late wheels are plastic. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc:"jlechner2001" Sent:Sun, 25 Sep 2011 20:34:30 -0400 Subject:[S-Trains] Fw: AF steamers   Can someone help me give my friend Joseph some answers to his questions, as I know about the wheels being two pieces, and that the engine gets it power via the tender. But I am not sure of his other questions. Mike From: Joseph Lechner Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 1:53 PM To: mlmarmer@... [1] Subject: AF steamers Mike, help me out please… There have been some incredibly dumb comments in CTT about the unrealistic “whitewall tires” on Gilbert AF steam locos… as if someone deliberately painted them that way. I always assumed these were the insulation between the metal wheel rims and the metal wheel centers, which any 2-rail loco would need. However there are differing reports on what the white is made of – ceramic ? or injection-molded plastic? How is electricity transferred from the wheel rims to the loco? Or do postwar AF steamers rely on the tender for pickup? Will steamers operate without a tender attached? Are the driver centers die-cast or are they made of powdered metal? Thanks, Joseph Lechner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net [2] mailto:mlmarmer@...?subject=Re%3A%20Fw%3A%20AF%20steamers [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Fw%3A%20AF%20steamers [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvZmI5NW8yBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTk3MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTY5OTc0NjA-?act=reply&messageNum=65973 [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZDRycmEwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTY5OTc0NjA- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/65973;_ylc=X3oDMTM0NnMzNmhyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTk3MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTY5OTc0NjAEdHBjSWQDNjU5NzM- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkcGN0cnVrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzE2OTk3NDYw?o=6 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjaGxlcTBkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMTY5OTc0NjA- [9] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ [10] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15ous5rnl/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1317004660/L=bd949760-e7d7-11e0-84c7-df4cbb5ce672/B=WdxMU9BDRuo-/J=1316997460599337/K=azDn_fk7q5A1epO0q_RUuQ/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJibzBuMHNjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMxNjk5NzQ2MA-- [12] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [13] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [14] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65980	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: AF steamers

Thanks Alistair. Mike From: alizoo@... Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 10:30 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: AF steamers The whitewalls are plastic. All rely on tender or metal slider pickup. Most early wheel centrres are diecast. Very late wheels are plastic. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com To: Cc:"jlechner2001" Sent:Sun, 25 Sep 2011 20:34:30 -0400 Subject:[S-Trains] Fw: AF steamers Can someone help me give my friend Joseph some answers to his questions, as I know about the wheels being two pieces, and that the engine gets it power via the tender. But I am not sure of his other questions. Mike From: Joseph Lechner Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 1:53 PM To: mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net [1] Subject: AF steamers Mike, help me out please… There have been some incredibly dumb comments in CTT about the unrealistic “whitewall tires” on Gilbert AF steam locos… as if someone deliberately painted them that way. I always assumed these were the insulation between the metal wheel rims and the metal wheel centers, which any 2-rail loco would need. However there are differing reports on what the white is made of – ceramic ? or injection-molded plastic? How is electricity transferred from the wheel rims to the loco? Or do postwar AF steamers rely on the tender for pickup? Will steamers operate without a tender attached? Are the driver centers die-cast or are they made of powdered metal? Thanks, Joseph Lechner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net [2] mailto:mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net?subject=Re%3A%20Fw%3A%20AF%20steamers [3] mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Fw%3A%20AF%20steamers [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvZmI5NW8yBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTk3MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTY5OTc0NjA-?act=reply&messageNum=65973 [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZDRycmEwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTY5OTc0NjA- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/65973;_ylc=X3oDMTM0NnMzNmhyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTk3MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTY5OTc0NjAEdHBjSWQDNjU5NzM- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkcGN0cnVrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzE2OTk3NDYw?o=6 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjaGxlcTBkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMTY5OTc0NjA- [9] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ [10] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15ous5rnl/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1317004660/L=bd949760-e7d7-11e0-84c7-df4cbb5ce672/B=WdxMU9BDRuo-/J=1316997460599337/K=azDn_fk7q5A1epO0q_RUuQ/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJibzBuMHNjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMxNjk5NzQ2MA-- [12] mailto:mailto:S-Trains-traditional%40yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [13] mailto:mailto:S-Trains-digest%40yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [14] mailto:mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65981	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Dept 56 Uptown Motors video....

All the 1964 1/2 Mustangs (introduced at that year's New York Worlds Fair) were six cylinders and the early '65 models as well. An unusually large number of early cars were convertibles because Ford saw the market as "secretary's cars." Ford President Lee Iaccoca disagreed but the advertising and marketing people insisted that there was no market for a "performance" version of the Mustang since the Falcon Futura with the 260 V-8 were under selling projections. The first of the V-8 Mustangs were "export only" with extra chassis bracing and heavy sway bars. These cars were not badged as a Mustang but a "T-5" overseas. As we all know now Lee was right, and in later years the V-8 Mustang was availible in several performance variations, while six cylinder Mustangs became very hard to sell. Like the ill fated Lionel "Girls Train" of the late fifties, Ford overlooked the fact that if a woman really wanted a Mustang, she would want the V-8, not a "wanna be!" Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65982	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: AF Steamers

As to the the O gaugers saying Flyer "white walls" are unrealistic, this shows how little they know abouyt trains! On real steam locos the drivers were cast iron or steel and wore "tires" made of a different alloy of steel. These tires could be more easily changed if worn or damaged, while changing out whole drivers was an involved process and very time consuming. These driver tires were often painted white, silver, or light grey so that any cracks in them could be easily spotted before a calamity happened. Right up to the end of steam many road continued to paint driver tires in this manner. The look was so popular that many railroads, or even just the shop forces, painted all the locomotive and tender "tires" or "rims" this way. On the Southern Pacific various shops had favcorite 0-6-0 switchers that got flashy "passenger engine" paint jobs with white driver tires. Admittedly, Flyer's are a bit overboard. But no more ridiculous than three rail track, rolling stock lengths which look like their "growth" was stunted, and dozens of others things which Flyer did much better trhan Lionel. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65983	From: R G	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Re: AF Steamers

Just look at all the builders photos!  You will see most had the painted white wall look!  Even whit that being said I am surprised that they did not use a black plactic insulator instead or use an insulator at the axle instead of the rim.  One decision made  in the 40's affected all of their subsequent production.   Another example of strange decisions was the positioning of the crossing gate on the wrong side of the road.  that continued until the plastic crossing gate came out in the 60's, or the mail pick being on the Fireman's side instead of the engineer's side of the baggage car..  From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:AF Steamers   As to the the O gaugers saying Flyer "white walls" are unrealistic, this shows how little they know abouyt trains! On real steam locos the drivers were cast iron or steel and wore "tires" made of a different alloy of steel. These tires could be more easily changed if worn or damaged, while changing out whole drivers was an involved process and very time consuming. These driver tires were often painted white, silver, or light grey so that any cracks in them could be easily spotted before a calamity happened. Right up to the end of steam many road continued to paint driver tires in this manner. The look was so popular that many railroads, or even just the shop forces, painted all the locomotive and tender "tires" or "rims" this way. On the Southern Pacific various shops had favcorite 0-6-0 switchers that got flashy "passenger engine" paint jobs with white driver tires. Admittedly, Flyer's are a bit overboard. But no more ridiculous than three rail track, rolling stock lengths which look like their "growth" was stunted, and dozens of others things which Flyer did much better trhan Lionel. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65984	From: R G	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Re: Dept 56 Uptown Motors video....

a friend of mine had one when I was in high school in the 60's.  They were a cool car even with the 6 cylinder engine.  The later muscle cars with the V-8 got much bigger and most in my age group could not afford them. From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Dept 56 Uptown Motors video....   All the 1964 1/2 Mustangs (introduced at that year's New York Worlds Fair) were six cylinders and the early '65 models as well. An unusually large number of early cars were convertibles because Ford saw the market as "secretary's cars." Ford President Lee Iaccoca disagreed but the advertising and marketing people insisted that there was no market for a "performance" version of the Mustang since the Falcon Futura with the 260 V-8 were under selling projections. The first of the V-8 Mustangs were "export only" with extra chassis bracing and heavy sway bars. These cars were not badged as a Mustang but a "T-5" overseas. As we all know now Lee was right, and in later years the V-8 Mustang was availible in several performance variations, while six cylinder Mustangs became very hard to sell. Like the ill fated Lionel "Girls Train" of the late fifties, Ford overlooked the fact that if a woman really wanted a Mustang, she would want the V-8, not a "wanna be!" Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65985	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Re: Dept 56 Uptown Motors video....

You should also tell them that the  original Mustang was the absolute cheapest car on the US market when introduced. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Mon, 26 Sep 2011 18:07:25 -0000 Subject:[S-Trains] RE:Dept 56 Uptown Motors video....   All the 1964 1/2 Mustangs (introduced at that year's New York Worlds Fair) were six cylinders and the early '65 models as well. An unusually large number of early cars were convertibles because Ford saw the market as "secretary's cars." Ford President Lee Iaccoca disagreed but the advertising and marketing people insisted that there was no market for a "performance" version of the Mustang since the Falcon Futura with the 260 V-8 were under selling projections. The first of the V-8 Mustangs were "export only" with extra chassis bracing and heavy sway bars. These cars were not badged as a Mustang but a "T-5" overseas. As we all know now Lee was right, and in later years the V-8 Mustang was availible in several performance variations, while six cylinder Mustangs became very hard to sell. Like the ill fated Lionel "Girls Train" of the late fifties, Ford overlooked the fact that if a woman really wanted a Mustang, she would want the V-8, not a "wanna be!" Stumpy in Ahia ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:mrstumpy@...?subject=RE%3ADept%2056%20Uptown%20Motors%20video.... [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=RE%3ADept%2056%20Uptown%20Motors%20video.... [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvaGNzaDI0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTk4MQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTcwNjEwNjY-?act=reply&messageNum=65981 [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjMzlvMWdsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTcwNjEwNjY- [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/65981;_ylc=X3oDMTM0OW85Yms5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTk4MQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTcwNjEwNjYEdHBjSWQDNjU5ODE- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkODZkZHJnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzE3MDYxMDY2?o=6 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJja2YzdGJkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMTcwNjEwNjY- [8] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ [9] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15o7baevd/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1317068266/L=d5854272-e86b-11e0-a77e-771a855777a6/B=T9HAU9BDRuY-/J=1317061066283512/K=Pz00cXTaRs87ZeNWOyXQSg/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiMTJ0NzN2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMxNzA2MTA2Ng-- [11] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [12] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [13] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [14] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65986	From: frank emiro	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Re: AF Steamers

There is a short story in Classic Toy Trains that just came out about white wall engine wheels in the letters section. Frank R. EMIRO From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:AF Steamers   As to the the O gaugers saying Flyer "white walls" are unrealistic, this shows how little they know abouyt trains! On real steam locos the drivers were cast iron or steel and wore "tires" made of a different alloy of steel. These tires could be more easily changed if worn or damaged, while changing out whole drivers was an involved process and very time consuming. These driver tires were often painted white, silver, or light grey so that any cracks in them could be easily spotted before a calamity happened. Right up to the end of steam many road continued to paint driver tires in this manner. The look was so popular that many railroads, or even just the shop forces, painted all the locomotive and tender "tires" or "rims" this way. On the Southern Pacific various shops had favcorite 0-6-0 switchers that got flashy "passenger engine" paint jobs with white driver tires. Admittedly, Flyer's are a bit overboard. But no more ridiculous than three rail track, rolling stock lengths which look like their "growth" was stunted, and dozens of others things which Flyer did much better trhan Lionel. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65987	From: Donald Keil	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Re: Dept 56 Uptown Motors video....

Not all 64 1/2 were six cylinder. I had v8 and it was a convertible with 5 lug bolts wheels. I purchase it use in April of 1965 it had 3000 miles on it. Which I had kept it . Have picture to prove it but they are all in slides. LOL Don  dlkeil@... ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Dept 56 Uptown Motors video....   All the 1964 1/2 Mustangs (introduced at that year's New York Worlds Fair) were six cylinders and the early '65 models as well. An unusually large number of early cars were convertibles because Ford saw the market as "secretary's cars." Ford President Lee Iaccoca disagreed but the advertising and marketing people insisted that there was no market for a "performance" version of the Mustang since the Falcon Futura with the 260 V-8 were under selling projections. The first of the V-8 Mustangs were "export only" with extra chassis bracing and heavy sway bars. These cars were not badged as a Mustang but a "T-5" overseas. As we all know now Lee was right, and in later years the V-8 Mustang was availible in several performance variations, while six cylinder Mustangs became very hard to sell. Like the ill fated Lionel "Girls Train" of the late fifties, Ford overlooked the fact that if a woman really wanted a Mustang, she would want the V-8, not a "wanna be!" Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65988	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Re: AF Steamers

Hi Frank and thanks RG and Stumpy, as that is what started all this . Thanks for all the answers Mike From: frank emiro Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:28 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:AF Steamers There is a short story in Classic Toy Trains that just came out about white wall engine wheels in the letters section. Frank R. EMIRO From: mrstumpy50 <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:AF Steamers As to the the O gaugers saying Flyer "white walls" are unrealistic, this shows how little they know abouyt trains! On real steam locos the drivers were cast iron or steel and wore "tires" made of a different alloy of steel. These tires could be more easily changed if worn or damaged, while changing out whole drivers was an involved process and very time consuming. These driver tires were often painted white, silver, or light grey so that any cracks in them could be easily spotted before a calamity happened. Right up to the end of steam many road continued to paint driver tires in this manner. The look was so popular that many railroads, or even just the shop forces, painted all the locomotive and tender "tires" or "rims" this way. On the Southern Pacific various shops had favcorite 0-6-0 switchers that got flashy "passenger engine" paint jobs with white driver tires. Admittedly, Flyer's are a bit overboard. But no more ridiculous than three rail track, rolling stock lengths which look like their "growth" was stunted, and dozens of others things which Flyer did much better trhan Lionel. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65989	From: frank emiro	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Re: AF Steamers

As a PS...., I would think back in the 40's and early 50's the plastic used might have been white so why paint them black ? When the plastic came in other colors, I would think that is why Gilbert went to black. They were used as insulator's and real steam engines did have white drivers as the first issue that was built and used in builders photos. ACG picked special built engines for the model trains and many were rare productions in proto usages.  Also, I would think white was an attraction to the engines as a TOY. Frank R. EMIRO From: frank emiro <femiro2002@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:AF Steamers   There is a short story in Classic Toy Trains that just came out about white wall engine wheels in the letters section. Frank R. EMIRO From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:AF Steamers   As to the the O gaugers saying Flyer "white walls" are unrealistic, this shows how little they know abouyt trains! On real steam locos the drivers were cast iron or steel and wore "tires" made of a different alloy of steel. These tires could be more easily changed if worn or damaged, while changing out whole drivers was an involved process and very time consuming. These driver tires were often painted white, silver, or light grey so that any cracks in them could be easily spotted before a calamity happened. Right up to the end of steam many road continued to paint driver tires in this manner. The look was so popular that many railroads, or even just the shop forces, painted all the locomotive and tender "tires" or "rims" this way. On the Southern Pacific various shops had favcorite 0-6-0 switchers that got flashy "passenger engine" paint jobs with white driver tires. Admittedly, Flyer's are a bit overboard. But no more ridiculous than three rail track, rolling stock lengths which look like their "growth" was stunted, and dozens of others things which Flyer did much better trhan Lionel. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65990	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Re: AF Steamers

Thanks Frank, as I am passing this to Joseph. Mike From: frank emiro Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 4:08 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:AF Steamers As a PS...., I would think back in the 40's and early 50's the plastic used might have been white so why paint them black ? When the plastic came in other colors, I would think that is why Gilbert went to black. They were used as insulator's and real steam engines did have white drivers as the first issue that was built and used in builders photos. ACG picked special built engines for the model trains and many were rare productions in proto usages. Also, I would think white was an attraction to the engines as a TOY. Frank R. EMIRO From: frank emiro <mailto:femiro2002%40yahoo.com> To: "mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:AF Steamers There is a short story in Classic Toy Trains that just came out about white wall engine wheels in the letters section. Frank R. EMIRO From: mrstumpy50 <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:AF Steamers As to the the O gaugers saying Flyer "white walls" are unrealistic, this shows how little they know abouyt trains! On real steam locos the drivers were cast iron or steel and wore "tires" made of a different alloy of steel. These tires could be more easily changed if worn or damaged, while changing out whole drivers was an involved process and very time consuming. These driver tires were often painted white, silver, or light grey so that any cracks in them could be easily spotted before a calamity happened. Right up to the end of steam many road continued to paint driver tires in this manner. The look was so popular that many railroads, or even just the shop forces, painted all the locomotive and tender "tires" or "rims" this way. On the Southern Pacific various shops had favcorite 0-6-0 switchers that got flashy "passenger engine" paint jobs with white driver tires. Admittedly, Flyer's are a bit overboard. But no more ridiculous than three rail track, rolling stock lengths which look like their "growth" was stunted, and dozens of others things which Flyer did much better trhan Lionel. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65991	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Early Mustang Facts - Not Train Related - Skip If Not Interested

Hi All, In addition to the Uptown Motors video, I'm preparing another video that explains the many differences between a 64 1/4 Mustang and a 65 Mustang. As for as engine displacement everyone seems to be an expert, yet not many know the truth. Some will tell you that only 6 cylinder engines were installed in the early Mustangs and others will tell you that the only V-8 installed was the 260 CI. Well here are the facts for the Early Mustangs (March 9, 1964 - September 1964): available engines were the 160 CI six cylinder, 260 CI V-8, 289 CI V-8 2 bbl, 289 CI V-8 4 bbl and 289 CI HP. Beginning in September the model year change dropped the 160 CI six cylinder in favor of the 200 CI six cylinder. The 260 CI V-8 was also dropped at this time. My current show car was built on April 28, 1964 or the sixth week of production. The dataplate shows a 289 CI V-8 2 BBL which is the engine installed in it - I should know I rebuilt the engine as well as the entire car. Mr. Stumpy is partially correct concerning T-5. T-5 was a Ford team that developed the prototype, a mid-engine two seater. It was produced in 1962 and was named Mustang I. The team later decided to go the four seater route possibly due to low sales of the two seater Thunderbird. The term T-5 was used on 65-78 Mustangs sold in several European nations due to other companies having patents on the name "Mustang" (including a German motorcycle and a lawnmower elsewhere). Why was the Mustang "cheap"? Iacocca gave the team a goal of producing the car for $1.00/pound. The base model sold for $1.07/pound so they almost hit the target. I had not planned to post a link to the 64 1/2 identification video here. If anyone is interested let me know and I'll send you the link once I post it to YouTube. BG1 ... Mustang Club of America Member and 1964 - 1966 Mustang Judge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65992	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Department 56 Uptown Motors video

As was Detroit practice going way back, the next "model" year's production started in September, and in some cases July of the previous year, depending upon the installation of tooling for the next model year's design or face lifts, or the marketing department's sales priority. This also varied from manufacturer to manufacturer, but this is how they had cars in every dealership for the "big unveiling" of the new cars. Before "VIN" numbers on top of the dash board came along, you could look at the assembly date on the little tin tag under the hood. For instance, I once owned one of the last 1957 Chevrolet Nomad station wagons made, with the assembly date of April 1957. Only a few over 14,000 units were made that year, making it far rarer than the '57 Thunderbird with over 42,000 units produced. The Ford "1964 1/2" thing began early in the 1964 calendar year (about halfway through the production year) to introduce the new roof and the 427 engine in the full size car line to make them legal for NASCAR racing. The rules required a minimum of 500 units to qualify as a "stock" car. Ford was also getting into racing in all forms in a big way and the marketing people latched onto the '64 1/2 thing for the rest of the line. The Mustang became an overnight success and they had to tool a second plant to catch up with demand. The second plant was where the "T-5" cars came from and the V-8 Mustangs as well until late in '65. It was a Falcon Futura plant, so all the V-8 equipment was probably in the warehouse, they needed only the Mustang body tooling to be installed. The Mustang used the Falcon "platform" as it is called today. If your car was titled as a 1964 1/2 model, it was indeed rare because it was supposed to be 1965 model year production. That WOULD have been one to hang onto as it would be worth some real money today! But don't be too upset, I let a lot of "good" cars get away over the years because at the time they were just considered "used cars!" Same thing as our old American Flyer trains. Who knew? Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65993	From: ron plyler	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Re: AF Steamers

Seems that I once read that these early white walls were made of celluloid and not plastic.  Ron Plyler [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65994	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Re: AF Steamers

Actually red and black were more popular colors for the lousy, shrinking plastic Gilbert used first after the war. The white choice was just following prototype real train practise. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To:"S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" Cc: Sent:Mon, 26 Sep 2011 13:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject:Re: [S-Trains] RE:AF Steamers   As a PS...., I would think back in the 40's and early 50's the plastic used might have been white so why paint them black ? When the plastic came in other colors, I would think that is why Gilbert went to black. They were used as insulator's and real steam engines did have white drivers as the first issue that was built and used in builders photos. ACG picked special built engines for the model trains and many were rare productions in proto usages.  Also, I would think white was an attraction to the engines as a TOY. Frank R. EMIRO From: frank emiro To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2]" Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:AF Steamers   There is a short story in Classic Toy Trains that just came out about white wall engine wheels in the letters section. Frank R. EMIRO From: mrstumpy50 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [5] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:20 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:AF Steamers   As to the the O gaugers saying Flyer "white walls" are unrealistic, this shows how little they know abouyt trains! On real steam locos the drivers were cast iron or steel and wore "tires" made of a different alloy of steel. These tires could be more easily changed if worn or damaged, while changing out whole drivers was an involved process and very time consuming. These driver tires were often painted white, silver, or light grey so that any cracks in them could be easily spotted before a calamity happened. Right up to the end of steam many road continued to paint driver tires in this manner. The look was so popular that many railroads, or even just the shop forces, painted all the locomotive and tender "tires" or "rims" this way. On the Southern Pacific various shops had favcorite 0-6-0 switchers that got flashy "passenger engine" paint jobs with white driver tires. Admittedly, Flyer's are a bit overboard. But no more ridiculous than three rail track, rolling stock lengths which look like their "growth" was stunted, and dozens of others things which Flyer did much better trhan Lionel. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:femiro2002%40yahoo.com [2] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [3] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [4] mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net [5] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [6] mailto:femiro2002@yahoocom?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20RE%3AAF%20Steamers [7] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20RE%3AAF%20Steamers [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvanNvcjh0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTk4OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTcwNzIyNzg-?act=reply&messageNum=65989 [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjNHZuZHQ4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTcwNzIyNzg- [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/65982;_ylc=X3oDMTM0azExNjVzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTk4OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTcwNzIyNzgEdHBjSWQDNjU5ODI- [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkbmpxOXZiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzE3MDcyMjc4?o=6 [12] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjYmUyMmsyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMTcwNzIyNzg- [13] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ [14] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15o9t7okj/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1317079478/L=f0d08a2c-e885-11e0-a69c-03c23da18574/B=efiLM9GDJGk-/J=1317072278996737/K=3Sza28fV8rVCptP5oJl58g/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj [15] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiZnU2cGpsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMxNzA3MjI3OA-- [16] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [17] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [18] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [19] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65995	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 9/26/2011
Subject: Re: AF Steamers

Well celluloid (nitro cellulose) was one of the earliest plastics anyway but they are not celluloid - which you may not know is chemically identical to gun cotton and is dangerously inflamable. They are in fact cellulose acetate, a different and somewhat less flamable plastic. Unfortunately it was even more unstable and prone to shrinkage hence the problems with the tyres falling off the early S gauge Flyer locos, not to mention the banana shape the cars took on after a short time. Alistair On Tue 27/09/11 8:56 AM , ron plyler ron_tallyho@... sent: Seems that I once read that these early white walls were made of celluloid and not plastic. Ron Plyler [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20RE:AF%20Steamers [2] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvajdqYzU2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTk5MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTcwODU4MTc-?act=reply&messageNum=65993 [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/65982;_ylc=X3oDMTM0czRhdG05BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NTk5MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTcwODU4MTcEdHBjSWQDNjU5ODI- [4] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [5] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15oqhhilg/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1317093017/L=766f2dd6-e8a5-11e0-a455-1752c830e096/B=NAEKVEPDhCk-/J=1317085817568251/K=IUn_WVHN7PDlEWG82cdN9A/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65996	From: sgaugian	Date: 9/27/2011
Subject: Re: Trains and Pittsburgh

I made it to Iron Horse Hobby and AB Charles. Iron Horse is strictly trains, but very little in terms of S. Bought Lionel commuter figure set 6-24244 because the people are closer to scale than O and why not help keep a train shop alive if at all possible. The opportunity to visit one is more likely diminishing than increasing. AB Charles is rather large with all sorts of hobby products to choose from including trains, but the trains department seemed the least freshly stocked of them all. Another sign of the times? Thanks is any case for the tips.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65997	From: Frank	Date: 9/27/2011
Subject: Re: AF Steamers

CTT Nov. 2011 Page 13 Sent from my iPhone On Sep 26, 2011, at 5:26 PM, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > Thanks Frank, as I am passing this to Joseph. > > Mike > > From: frank emiro > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 4:08 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:AF Steamers > > As a PS...., I would think back in the 40's and early 50's the plastic used might have been white so why paint them black ? When the plastic came in other colors, I would think that is why Gilbert went to black. They were used as insulator's and real steam engines did have white drivers as the first issue that was built and used in builders photos. ACG picked special built engines for the model trains and many were rare productions in proto usages. Also, I would think white was an attraction to the engines as a TOY. > > Frank R. EMIRO > > From: frank emiro <mailto:femiro2002%40yahoo.com> > To: "mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:28 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:AF Steamers > > There is a short story in Classic Toy Trains that just came out about white wall engine wheels in the letters section. > > Frank R. EMIRO > > From: mrstumpy50 <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:20 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] RE:AF Steamers > > As to the the O gaugers saying Flyer "white walls" are unrealistic, this shows how little they know abouyt trains! On real steam locos the drivers were cast iron or steel and wore "tires" made of a different alloy of steel. These tires could be more easily changed if worn or damaged, while changing out whole drivers was an involved process and very time consuming. > These driver tires were often painted white, silver, or light grey so that any cracks in them could be easily spotted before a calamity happened. Right up to the end of steam many road continued to paint driver tires in this manner. > The look was so popular that many railroads, or even just the shop forces, painted all the locomotive and tender "tires" or "rims" this way. On the Southern Pacific various shops had favcorite 0-6-0 switchers that got flashy "passenger engine" paint jobs with white driver tires. > Admittedly, Flyer's are a bit overboard. But no more ridiculous than three rail track, rolling stock lengths which look like their "growth" was stunted, and dozens of others things which Flyer did much better trhan Lionel. > Stumpy in Ahia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65998	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/27/2011
Subject: The Mustang question (not train related)

Mr. Gator, I cede to your higher knowledge. I am operating on information from a friend who was head of the Ford Engineering/Legal Department until retirement in 2004. He and Jack Roush joined Ford at the same time and have been friends for over forty years. Both are hard core Ford fans and racers, so I figured he knew what he was talking about. I also in many years in cars have never personally seen a '64 1/2 Mustang with a V-8 at a show. I wonder how many dealers got V-8 Mustangs in '64? Or did V-8 cars need to be "ordered" by customers? I'm sure you have the documentation, so let's continue this in direct e-mail. Sorry to have mis-spoken folks, I guess I'm not the only car guy with a faded memory. I'll pass this along to my Ford friend. Stumpy in Ahia...leaving with my taillights stuck between my legs.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 65999	From: Doug Peck	Date: 9/27/2011
Subject: Re: AF Steamers

A GREAT come-back !!!! <<<As to the the O gaugers saying Flyer "white walls" are unrealistic,........... Admittedly, Flyer's are a bit overboard. But no more ridiculous than three rail track,>>>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66000	From: Jerry	Date: 9/27/2011
Subject: Re: Early Mustang Facts -Train Related !

The mid engine prototype is now residing in the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, MI. It's amazing how small the car is! But I remember seeing it many years ago in the driveway of a next door neighbor who was a Ford engineer. They were sometimes allowed to drive them around. Anyway, Mattel makes a nice 1:64 (or extremely close) model of the Mustang I, but it's hard to find in its white with blue racing stripe colors. No matter, they make nice cars for a show on a layout. Mattel also has a nice 1965 Mustang which is almost spot on for measurements. One version actually has passable looking tires and wheels! Jerry Poniatowski Historical Presenter, Henry Ford Museum (part time - I AM retired...) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > > .........Mr. Stumpy is partially correct concerning T-5. T-5 was a Ford team that developed the prototype, a mid-engine two seater. It was produced in 1962 and was named Mustang I......... > > > BG1 ... Mustang Club of America Member and 1964 - 1966 Mustang Judge >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66001	From: Obie Bell	Date: 9/27/2011
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] RE:Department 56 Uptown Motors video

Hello Stumpy, The full size Ford model you refer to here is the 1963 1/2 model that introduced the new roof line and the replacement of the 406 engine with the 427. Obie Bell To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mrstumpy@... Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 00:14:42 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Department 56 Uptown Motors video The Ford "1964 1/2" thing began early in the 1964 calendar year (about halfway through the production year) to introduce the new roof and the 427 engine in the full size car line to make them legal for NASCAR racing. The rules required a minimum of 500 units to qualify as a "stock" car. Ford was also getting into racing in all forms in a big way and the marketing people latched onto the '64 1/2 thing for the rest of the line. http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ MARKETPLACE Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest � Unsubscribe � Terms of Use . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66002	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 9/27/2011
Subject: Re: The Mustang question (not train related)

In 1965 I bought a new 2+2 Mustang fastback with the 289, My first new car,,stiker was 2,865 and change...Wish I still had it...Don in St.Pete To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: mrstumpy@... Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:57:50 +0000 Subject: [S-Trains] The Mustang question (not train related) Mr. Gator, I cede to your higher knowledge. I am operating on information from a friend who was head of the Ford Engineering/Legal Department until retirement in 2004. He and Jack Roush joined Ford at the same time and have been friends for over forty years. Both are hard core Ford fans and racers, so I figured he knew what he was talking about. I also in many years in cars have never personally seen a '64 1/2 Mustang with a V-8 at a show. I wonder how many dealers got V-8 Mustangs in '64? Or did V-8 cars need to be "ordered" by customers? I'm sure you have the documentation, so let's continue this in direct e-mail. Sorry to have mis-spoken folks, I guess I'm not the only car guy with a faded memory. I'll pass this along to my Ford friend. Stumpy in Ahia...leaving with my taillights stuck between my legs. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66003	From: piccu56	Date: 9/27/2011
Subject: Re: Early Mustang Facts - Not Train Related - Skip If Not Interested

Gator, when released there was only three engine options with the 170 CI 6 being the base engine and the 260 CI 8 being the V8 standard. The 289 was an optional 210 hp engine. ENGINES/ENGINE CODES (1964 1/2) U - 170 ci 1V 6-cyl. with 101hp F - 260 ci 1V V-8 with 164hp D - 289 ci 4V V-8 with 210hp It was not until fall of 1965 that Ford rearranged the line up and dropped the U code and F code engines and introduced a slew of optional selections with the 200CI 6 being the new base engine and the base V8 being the 200 hp 289 2 bbl. This also eliminated the generator systems and made the alternator systems the standard across the Ford line up. Your car would be scarcer if the engine code in the vin is a D and the build date is early as it means someone ordered the 210 HP 289 specifically. Dave - Former Mustang Club of America Member and 1964 - 1966 Mustang, 1967 - 1969 Mustang, 1970 - 1973 Mustang, Boss, and Shelby Senior Judge. (1967 GT Fastback 289 4V 4 Speed, and 1967 GTA Fastback 289 4V Auto both Wimbledon White on Black.) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > In addition to the Uptown Motors video, I'm preparing another video that explains the many differences between a 64 1/4 Mustang and a 65 Mustang. As for as engine displacement everyone seems to be an expert, yet not many know the truth. Some will tell you that only 6 cylinder engines were installed in the early Mustangs and others will tell you that the only V-8 installed was the 260 CI. Well here are the facts for the Early Mustangs (March 9, 1964 - September 1964): available engines were the 160 CI six cylinder, 260 CI V-8, 289 CI V-8 2 bbl, 289 CI V-8 4 bbl and 289 CI HP. Beginning in September the model year change dropped the 160 CI six cylinder in favor of the 200 CI six cylinder. The 260 CI V-8 was also dropped at this time. > > My current show car was built on April 28, 1964 or the sixth week of production. The dataplate shows a 289 CI V-8 2 BBL which is the engine installed in it - I should know I rebuilt the engine as well as the entire car. > > Mr. Stumpy is partially correct concerning T-5. T-5 was a Ford team that developed the prototype, a mid-engine two seater. It was produced in 1962 and was named Mustang I. The team later decided to go the four seater route possibly due to low sales of the two seater Thunderbird. The term T-5 was used on 65-78 Mustangs sold in several European nations due to other companies having patents on the name "Mustang" (including a German motorcycle and a lawnmower elsewhere). > > > Why was the Mustang "cheap"? Iacocca gave the team a goal of producing the car for $1.00/pound. The base model sold for $1.07/pound so they almost hit the target. > > > I had not planned to post a link to the 64 1/2 identification video here. If anyone is interested let me know and I'll send you the link once I post it to YouTube. > > BG1 ... Mustang Club of America Member and 1964 - 1966 Mustang Judge >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66004	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 9/27/2011
Subject: Re: Early Mustang Facts - Not Train Related - Skip If Not Interested

When I got married, my wife had a 1966 6-cylinder mustang that became so rusty we called it the 'Rustang'. A fellow where I worked bought it, and shortened it to a 2-seater by cutting out the back seat, rusty floor, etc. Looked really great. I, by the way, contributed a 1968 Shelby Mustang (only 350 rather than the 500), so we were a two 'mustang' family in 1970. Had some interesting experiences with the Shelby - including bopping along on the Jersey turnpike at around 75 mph when twang, something fell out from under the hood and every red light on the dash became illuminated. The three (I think there were 3) bolts that held the main drive shaft pulley had sheared and the pulley was what I saw bounding down the road getting lost in a snowbank. Additionally, the clutches weren't too strong on the Shelby - too much engine torque for the clutch. Oh well, the joys of youth. regards all, Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 9/27/2011 16:29, piccu56 wrote: > > Gator, when released there was only three engine options with the 170 > CI 6 being the base engine and the 260 CI 8 being the V8 standard. The > 289 was an optional 210 hp engine. > > ENGINES/ENGINE CODES (1964 1/2) > U - 170 ci 1V 6-cyl. with 101hp > F - 260 ci 1V V-8 with 164hp > D - 289 ci 4V V-8 with 210hp > > It was not until fall of 1965 that Ford rearranged the line up and > dropped the U code and F code engines and introduced a slew of > optional selections with the 200CI 6 being the new base engine and the > base V8 being the 200 hp 289 2 bbl. This also eliminated the generator > systems and made the alternator systems the standard across the Ford > line up. > > Your car would be scarcer if the engine code in the vin is a D and the > build date is early as it means someone ordered the 210 HP 289 > specifically. > > Dave - Former Mustang Club of America Member and 1964 - 1966 Mustang, > 1967 - 1969 Mustang, 1970 - 1973 Mustang, Boss, and Shelby Senior Judge. > > (1967 GT Fastback 289 4V 4 Speed, and 1967 GTA Fastback 289 4V Auto > both Wimbledon White on Black.) > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66005	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/27/2011
Subject: Re: Early Mustang Facts - Not Train Related - Skip If Not Interested

Hi Dave, Yep - 3 engines when released. The others are reported to have slipped into production just before or during the September change. Yes my 64 1/2 is a D code and the build date was April 28, 1964. So it's an early baby with a somewhat special engine option. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "piccu56" <piccu56@...> wrote: > > Gator, when released there was only three engine options with the 170 CI 6 being the base engine and the 260 CI 8 being the V8 standard. The 289 was an optional 210 hp engine. > > ENGINES/ENGINE CODES (1964 1/2) > U - 170 ci 1V 6-cyl. with 101hp > F - 260 ci 1V V-8 with 164hp > D - 289 ci 4V V-8 with 210hp > > It was not until fall of 1965 that Ford rearranged the line up and dropped the U code and F code engines and introduced a slew of optional selections with the 200CI 6 being the new base engine and the base V8 being the 200 hp 289 2 bbl. This also eliminated the generator systems and made the alternator systems the standard across the Ford line up. > > Your car would be scarcer if the engine code in the vin is a D and the build date is early as it means someone ordered the 210 HP 289 specifically. > > > Dave - Former Mustang Club of America Member and 1964 - 1966 Mustang, 1967 - 1969 Mustang, 1970 - 1973 Mustang, Boss, and Shelby Senior Judge. > > (1967 GT Fastback 289 4V 4 Speed, and 1967 GTA Fastback 289 4V Auto both Wimbledon White on Black.) > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > In addition to the Uptown Motors video, I'm preparing another video that explains the many differences between a 64 1/4 Mustang and a 65 Mustang. As for as engine displacement everyone seems to be an expert, yet not many know the truth. Some will tell you that only 6 cylinder engines were installed in the early Mustangs and others will tell you that the only V-8 installed was the 260 CI. Well here are the facts for the Early Mustangs (March 9, 1964 - September 1964): available engines were the 160 CI six cylinder, 260 CI V-8, 289 CI V-8 2 bbl, 289 CI V-8 4 bbl and 289 CI HP. Beginning in September the model year change dropped the 160 CI six cylinder in favor of the 200 CI six cylinder. The 260 CI V-8 was also dropped at this time. > > > > My current show car was built on April 28, 1964 or the sixth week of production. The dataplate shows a 289 CI V-8 2 BBL which is the engine installed in it - I should know I rebuilt the engine as well as the entire car. > > > > Mr. Stumpy is partially correct concerning T-5. T-5 was a Ford team that developed the prototype, a mid-engine two seater. It was produced in 1962 and was named Mustang I. The team later decided to go the four seater route possibly due to low sales of the two seater Thunderbird. The term T-5 was used on 65-78 Mustangs sold in several European nations due to other companies having patents on the name "Mustang" (including a German motorcycle and a lawnmower elsewhere). > > > > > > Why was the Mustang "cheap"? Iacocca gave the team a goal of producing the car for $1.00/pound. The base model sold for $1.07/pound so they almost hit the target. > > > > > > I had not planned to post a link to the 64 1/2 identification video here. If anyone is interested let me know and I'll send you the link once I post it to YouTube. > > > > BG1 ... Mustang Club of America Member and 1964 - 1966 Mustang Judge > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66006	From: rapidrail1	Date: 9/27/2011
Subject: New custom decorated cars

Hi All, I have posted 10 photos of some of the cars I have been working on for the past few months. They are in a file entitled Wayne's misc. holiday For Halloween, we have a Baldwin for the Sleepy Hollow RR. Their logo is not a white thoroughbred but the headless horseman. At the end of the train is the Haunted Caboose. In between there are two gondolas. The trick or treat gondola is filled with candy (be sure to use wrapped candy), and the pumpkin farm is filled with clear plastic pumkins from Jack O'Lantern's Pumpkin Farm, as is the shorty gondola. I designed both and couldn't decide which to make, so I made both. Other shorty cabooses are a Peanuts Great Pumpkin scene and Scooby Do scene. The caboose has flashing LED lights which can be seen on the Youtube video of the entire train. My youtube name is RapidRail. Also in the file are Easter cars: The caboose is the Bunny Hutch Caboose, with a Egg Hunt gondola that will carry miniature covered chocolate eggs at Easter and an Easter parade shorty gondola. No engine to pull that yet. Not sure what I will use. All shorty gondolas are kit bashed Flyer cabooses. All of the Flyer cars were salvaged from basket cases. The decals I custom make on my computer and have printed at a commercial printing store on blank decal paper and overcoated before application. I love doing these cars because I can fully utilize my imagination and lots of colors. I will be posting more Christmas and other holiday cars if it ever stops raining (I prefer to take photos outside)and I slow down long enough to take them. One additional video on Youtube is the North Pole Branch Line local. The engine is a Gilbert 4-4-0 re-motored with a SNS DC motor and custom paper sticker lettering on the side. The cars are all Bachmann regauged On30 custom painted and redecorated with my custom decals. I have added a Reindeer Express Agency express car to the North Pole Express streamline train and will redo the videos to show that train better than the ones on Youtube currently. I have also added a pair of Alco PAs painted and decorated to pull the Christmas streamliner. So it can be pulled either by a streamline pacific or the PAs. Photos of the Bachmann cars, streamline cars, streamline pacific and PAs are already in my album called Wayne's Christmas cars. Enjoy Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66007	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/27/2011
Subject: Re: New custom decorated cars

Hey Wayne, That looks like a bunch o' fun. The caboose lights are a hoot. Can you describe the circuit or whatever it was you used? Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 9/27/2011 8:10 PM, rapidrail1 wrote: > Hi All, > > I have posted 10 photos of some of the cars I have been working on for the past few months. They are in a file entitled Wayne's misc. holiday > > For Halloween, we have a Baldwin for the Sleepy Hollow RR. Their logo is not a white thoroughbred but the headless horseman. At the end of the train is the Haunted Caboose. In between there are two gondolas. The trick or treat gondola is filled with candy (be sure to use wrapped candy), and the pumpkin farm is filled with clear plastic pumkins from Jack O'Lantern's Pumpkin Farm, as is the shorty gondola. I designed both and couldn't decide which to make, so I made both. Other shorty cabooses are a Peanuts Great Pumpkin scene and Scooby Do scene. The caboose has flashing LED lights which can be seen on the Youtube video of the entire train. My youtube name is RapidRail. > > Also in the file are Easter cars: The caboose is the Bunny Hutch Caboose, with a Egg Hunt gondola that will carry miniature covered chocolate eggs at Easter and an Easter parade shorty gondola. No engine to pull that yet. Not sure what I will use. > > All shorty gondolas are kit bashed Flyer cabooses. All of the Flyer cars were salvaged from basket cases. The decals I custom make on my computer and have printed at a commercial printing store on blank decal paper and overcoated before application. I love doing these cars because I can fully utilize my imagination and lots of colors. I will be posting more Christmas and other holiday cars if it ever stops raining (I prefer to take photos outside)and I slow down long enough to take them. > > One additional video on Youtube is the North Pole Branch Line local. The engine is a Gilbert 4-4-0 re-motored with a SNS DC motor and custom paper sticker lettering on the side. The cars are all Bachmann regauged On30 custom painted and redecorated with my custom decals. I have added a Reindeer Express Agency express car to the North Pole Express streamline train and will redo the videos to show that train better than the ones on Youtube currently. I have also added a pair of Alco PAs painted and decorated to pull the Christmas streamliner. So it can be pulled either by a streamline pacific or the PAs. Photos of the Bachmann cars, streamline cars, streamline pacific and PAs are already in my album called Wayne's Christmas cars. > > Enjoy > > Wayne > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66008	From: rapidrail1	Date: 9/28/2011
Subject: Re: New custom decorated cars

Hi Bill, Believe it or not, it was from a lighted children's necklace I found in a craft store. The necklace had about 24 little plastic ghost, 9 of which had the LEDs embedded in them. It was all run by one of those tiny batteries, and you even got 2 extra batteries in the package. I cut off the non-lighted ghost leaving only the 9 lighted ones and hot glued the necklace to the ceiling of the caboose. I threaded the battery box/on-off switch through the hole in the caboose chassis and hot glued it between the trucks so one can turn it off and on without removing the shell. The lights have 3 different phases, random blinking (which is what I use), all blink together, and solid on. If I get a chance to run this for the public during the holidays, I think it will be very popular. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Hey Wayne, That looks like a bunch o' fun. The caboose lights are a > hoot. Can you describe the circuit or whatever it was you used? > > Bill > > Bill Porter > South Florida > > > On 9/27/2011 8:10 PM, rapidrail1 wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I have posted 10 photos of some of the cars I have been working on for the past few months. They are in a file entitled Wayne's misc. holiday > > > > For Halloween, we have a Baldwin for the Sleepy Hollow RR. Their logo is not a white thoroughbred but the headless horseman. At the end of the train is the Haunted Caboose. In between there are two gondolas. The trick or treat gondola is filled with candy (be sure to use wrapped candy), and the pumpkin farm is filled with clear plastic pumkins from Jack O'Lantern's Pumpkin Farm, as is the shorty gondola. I designed both and couldn't decide which to make, so I made both. Other shorty cabooses are a Peanuts Great Pumpkin scene and Scooby Do scene. The caboose has flashing LED lights which can be seen on the Youtube video of the entire train. My youtube name is RapidRail. > > > > Also in the file are Easter cars: The caboose is the Bunny Hutch Caboose, with a Egg Hunt gondola that will carry miniature covered chocolate eggs at Easter and an Easter parade shorty gondola. No engine to pull that yet. Not sure what I will use. > > > > All shorty gondolas are kit bashed Flyer cabooses. All of the Flyer cars were salvaged from basket cases. The decals I custom make on my computer and have printed at a commercial printing store on blank decal paper and overcoated before application. I love doing these cars because I can fully utilize my imagination and lots of colors. I will be posting more Christmas and other holiday cars if it ever stops raining (I prefer to take photos outside)and I slow down long enough to take them. > > > > One additional video on Youtube is the North Pole Branch Line local. The engine is a Gilbert 4-4-0 re-motored with a SNS DC motor and custom paper sticker lettering on the side. The cars are all Bachmann regauged On30 custom painted and redecorated with my custom decals. I have added a Reindeer Express Agency express car to the North Pole Express streamline train and will redo the videos to show that train better than the ones on Youtube currently. I have also added a pair of Alco PAs painted and decorated to pull the Christmas streamliner. So it can be pulled either by a streamline pacific or the PAs. Photos of the Bachmann cars, streamline cars, streamline pacific and PAs are already in my album called Wayne's Christmas cars. > > > > Enjoy > > > > Wayne > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66009	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/28/2011
Subject: Re: New custom decorated cars

Thanks Wayne, that sounds like a pretty good way to get some non-standard excitement into a train display. I am sure it will be a hit. Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 9/28/2011 6:51 AM, rapidrail1 wrote: > Hi Bill, > > Believe it or not, it was from a lighted children's necklace I found in a craft store. The necklace had about 24 little plastic ghost, 9 of which had the LEDs embedded in them. It was all run by one of those tiny batteries, and you even got 2 extra batteries in the package. I cut off the non-lighted ghost leaving only the 9 lighted ones and hot glued the necklace to the ceiling of the caboose. I threaded the battery box/on-off switch through the hole in the caboose chassis and hot glued it between the trucks so one can turn it off and on without removing the shell. The lights have 3 different phases, random blinking (which is what I use), all blink together, and solid on. If I get a chance to run this for the public during the holidays, I think it will be very popular. > > Wayne > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66010	From: salgal17329	Date: 9/28/2011
Subject: Open house

Toy Trains Unlimited, 38 York St. Hanover PA. 17331,will be having an open house on Wednesday , October the 12th, the week of the york TCA, Meet,. The open house will start at 2pm. with food, drinks, and a large selection of American Flyer trains and accessory's . We will have some very unusual flyer items to show, and of course we will have a large group of flyer operators and collectors visiting,,,make planes to attend this yearly event,,please tell your Lionel friends to come along.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66011	From: Ray Cook	Date: 9/28/2011
Subject: Re: Trains and Pittsburgh

Glad to hear ya had fun in the 'Burgh.   The Fort Pitt division show on Sunday was great; lots of S gauge stuff there.   Mr Shannon, thanks for the answer about AB Charles.   Take care, all.                                      Ray Cook; Irwin, Pa --- On Mon, 9/26/11, sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> wrote: From: sgaugian <dsme_horn@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Trains and Pittsburgh To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 26, 2011, 10:50 PM I made it to Iron Horse Hobby and AB Charles.  Iron Horse is strictly trains, but very little in terms of S.  Bought Lionel commuter figure set 6-24244 because the people are closer to scale than O and why not help keep a train shop alive if at all possible.  The opportunity to visit one is more likely diminishing than increasing. AB Charles is rather large with all sorts of hobby products to choose from including trains, but the trains department seemed the least freshly stocked of them all.  Another sign of the times?  Thanks is any case for the tips. ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66012	From: R G	Date: 9/28/2011
Subject: Re: Open house

From 2 until what time?  ________________________________ From: salgal17329 <rborsella4790@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 8:39 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Open house   Toy Trains Unlimited, 38 York St. Hanover PA. 17331,will be having an open house on Wednesday , October the 12th, the week of the york TCA, Meet,. The open house will start at 2pm. with food, drinks, and a large selection of American Flyer trains and accessory's . We will have some very unusual flyer items to show, and of course we will have a large group of flyer operators and collectors visiting,,,make planes to attend this yearly event,,please tell your Lionel friends to come along. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66013	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/28/2011
Subject: New custom decorated cars

Wayne, you get an "A" for creativity! We have a couple of others who do similar stuff and Rick Eveans does whole "seasonal" displays with unique trains and Department 56 buildings. As a long time displayer at train shows, I have watched people linger at layouts with something unique on them, be it creative rolling stock, vehicles, or structures. Back when I did G scale, our display layouts often used flat cars with large pretzel rods for "logs." In the O gauge three rail club, I rebuilt a Lionel Aquarium Car to hold Pepperidge Farm "Goldfish" crackers. I also had an "Alien Car" long before Lionel ever thought of it, and my MTH heavyweight coach with skeletons in many of the seats was a real eye catcher! In On30 I do Micro Layouts, each with one or more "hooks" to catch people's eye. I have a hotel with a naked lady standing in a window on the second floor, a dinosaur lurking in a grove of trees, a hopper car filled with M&Ms, and two flatcars which I load with pretzel sticks. Sure, this isn't everyone's cup of tea, but creativity and plain old FUN is something we're fast losing in this day and age. Just because we got older doesn't mean we have to grow up. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66014	From: rapidrail1	Date: 9/28/2011
Subject: New photos

The sun actually came out today. So I took the opportunity to take photos of some more cars. There are several of the shorty gondolas kitbashed from Flyer basket case cabooses. Most of the loads are miniature ornaments or craft items. A special one is the Santa asleep in the chair the day after Christmas. That uses a Norman Rockwell ornament. The wilderness Santa in the canoe I found in a camp store in West Virginia while on vacation this summer. The Reindeer Express Agency will run with my streamline North Pole Express passenger set. All of these cars are in the Wayne's Christmas cars album. I put two new photos in the Wayne's misc. holiday album: a Valentines Box Car and Cupids Valentine Candy Sugar covered hopper. I am working on the graphics for a Valentine caboose and have finished the graphics for a candy heart shorty. I hope you enjoy all the new photos. Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66015	From: Thorinn Marty	Date: 9/28/2011
Subject: Re: Your scale streamlined diner

Dear Earl: In 1990 I received six AM streamlined UP passenger cars. A couple of years later I acquired a second set as they will not clear AF switches. After I got rid of the extra observation car I had a 10 car train: but this is a long-distance passenger train. Where will my passengers eat. I started with an undecorated AM coach. (Anything except and obs or a dome would have worked.) I added sides from Laser Horizons. I asked for thin sides to be placed over the sides of the AM car. I asked for an all-in-one dinner. They provided sides for the real UP diner "City of Los Angeles". (I bet you can't guess what train the prototype ran in!) I laid the sides onto the coach. Using the sides as a template, I drew the windows onto the coach where they did not match up. I cut more holes into the coach with a Dremel, following with files, sandpaper, etc. I applied the sides. She looked good! Off to the paint shop! I spray Poly-S paints, undiluted. After washing she was primed with Reefer white. I sprayed gray next (Harbor Mist). I masked the gray and sprayed yellow (Armour Yellow). I finished the gray ends by brush. I touched up any other paint errors with a brush. I painted the trucks Bright Aluminum. Lettering was done from and Enhorning set. This provided the red stripes. The letters and numbers were pieced together to get "Copper Valley" "1209". 1201 UP Baggage 1202 UP Coach 1202 UP Coach 1202 UP Coach 1204 UP Vista Dome 1209 UP Diner Laser Horizons (My number) 1203 UP Sleeper 1204 UP Vista Dome 1203 UP Sleeper 1205 UP Observation 10 cars Since then she has been gracing short sections of track as I do not currently have a layout. Thorin ________________________________ From: "Tennsgauge@..." <Tennsgauge@...> To: lagthor@... Sent: Tue, September 20, 2011 12:24:54 PM Subject: Your scale streamlined diner Would you be willing to tell us more about the streamlined dining car you built? - Earl Henry, Nashville, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66016	From: rborsella4790@comcast.net	Date: 9/29/2011
Subject: Open house

the open house starts at 2pm and ends when everyone is gone about 5 or 6 pm . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66017	From: salgal17329	Date: 9/29/2011
Subject: Re: Open house

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote: > > From 2 until what time?  > > > 2pm until 5 or 6pm, > ________________________________ > From: salgal17329 <rborsella4790@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 8:39 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Open house > > >   > Toy Trains Unlimited, 38 York St. Hanover PA. 17331,will be having an open house on Wednesday , October the 12th, the week of the york TCA, Meet,. The open house will start at 2pm. with food, drinks, and a large selection of American Flyer trains and accessory's . We will have some very unusual flyer items to show, and of course we will have a large group of flyer operators and collectors visiting,,,make planes to attend this yearly event,,please tell your Lionel friends to come along. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66018	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 9/29/2011
Subject: Re: New custom decorated cars

Wayne and friends, Although not near the quality of Wayne's shorty cars from AF cabooses, here are some links to my shorty trains - works in progress!! Shorty train. http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album147/DSCN0639_crpd GP-3.5 bash. http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album147/DSCN0646_crpd Shorty tank car. http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album147/DSCN0641_crpd Bobber caboose bash. http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album147/DSCN0647_crpd Enjoy! Don Munsey, Jr Living in UpperRightCorner of Louisiana, USA fmg On 9/28/2011 11:54 AM, J. Wayne Beachy wrote: > Don, > > Great idea!!! > > Wayne > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From: *dmunseyjr@... > *To: *"rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@...> > *Sent: *Wednesday, September 28, 2011 7:19:32 AM > *Subject: *Re: [S-Trains] Re: New custom decorated cars > > > Wayne, > Great stuff! > I especially like your use of the ubiquitous AF caboose frames. They > are like polyester in the textile world - they self- replicate! I have > a whole shorty trains sketched out pulled by a single truck Geep, that > I call a GP-3.5 and trailed by a cut down AF caboose riding on an AM > passenger truck. Both are about to go to the paint shop - Halloween > scheme is a good idea! > > Keep in touch. > > fmg: aka Don Munsey, Jr. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: waynebeachy113@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent:Wed Sep 28 11:03:29 UTC 2011 > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New custom decorated cars > > > Hi Bill, > > Believe it or not, it was from a lighted children's necklace I found > in a craft store. The necklace had about 24 little plastic ghost, 9 of > which had the LEDs embedded in them. It was all run by one of those > tiny batteries, and you even got 2 extra batteries in the package. I > cut off the non-lighted ghost leaving only the 9 lighted ones and hot > glued the necklace to the ceiling of the caboose. I threaded the > battery box/on-off switch through the hole in the caboose chassis and > hot glued it between the trucks so one can turn it off and on without > removing the shell. The lights have 3 different phases, random > blinking (which is what I use), all blink together, and solid on. If I > get a chance to run this for the public during the holidays, I think > it will be very popular. > > Wayne > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote: > > > > Hey Wayne, That looks like a bunch o' fun. The caboose lights are a > > hoot. Can you describe the circuit or whatever it was you used? > > > > Bill > > > > Bill Porter > > South Florida > > > > > > On 9/27/2011 8:10 PM, rapidrail1 wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I have posted 10 photos of some of the cars I have been working on > for the past few months. They are in a file entitled Wayne's misc. holiday > > > > > > For Halloween, we have a Baldwin for the Sleepy Hollow RR. Their > logo is not a white thoroughbred but the headless horseman. At the end > of the train is the Haunted Caboose. In between there are two > gondolas. The trick or treat gondola is filled with candy (be sure to > use wrapped candy), and the pumpkin farm is filled with clear plastic > pumkins from Jack O'Lantern's Pumpkin Farm, as is the shorty gondola. > I designed both and couldn't decide which to make, so I made both. > Other shorty cabooses are a Peanuts Great Pumpkin scene and Scooby Do > scene. The caboose has flashing LED lights which can be seen on the > Youtube video of the entire train. My youtube name is RapidRail. > > > > > > Also in the file are Easter cars: The caboose is the Bunny Hutch > Caboose, with a Egg Hunt gondola that will carry miniature covered > chocolate eggs at Easter and an Easter parade shorty gondola. No > engine to pull that yet. Not sure what I will use. > > > > > > All shorty gondolas are kit bashed Flyer cabooses. All of the > Flyer cars were salvaged from basket cases. The decals I custom make > on my computer and have printed at a commercial printing store on > blank decal paper and overcoated before application. I love doing > these cars because I can fully utilize my imagination and lots of > colors. I will be posting more Christmas and other holiday cars if it > ever stops raining (I prefer to take photos outside)and I slow down > long enough to take them. > > > > > > One additional video on Youtube is the North Pole Branch Line > local. The engine is a Gilbert 4-4-0 re-motored with a SNS DC motor > and custom paper sticker lettering on the side. The cars are all > Bachmann regauged On30 custom painted and redecorated with my custom > decals. I have added a Reindeer Express Agency express car to the > North Pole Express streamline train and will redo the videos to show > that train better than the ones on Youtube currently. I have also > added a pair of Alco PAs painted and decorated to pull the Christmas > streamliner. So it can be pulled either by a streamline pacific or the > PAs. Photos of the Bachmann cars, streamline cars, streamline pacific > and PAs are already in my album called Wayne's Christmas cars. > > > > > > Enjoy > > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66019	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 9/29/2011
Subject: Re: New custom decorated cars

Wayne and friends, Here is a link to some other hair-brained uses for AF cabeese that I posted many moons ago. http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album150 Enjoy! Don Munsey, Jr Living in UpperRightCorner of Louisiana, USA fmg On 9/28/2011 11:54 AM, J. Wayne Beachy wrote: > Don, > > Great idea!!! > > Wayne > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From: *dmunseyjr@... > *To: *"rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@...> > *Sent: *Wednesday, September 28, 2011 7:19:32 AM > *Subject: *Re: [S-Trains] Re: New custom decorated cars > > > Wayne, > Great stuff! > I especially like your use of the ubiquitous AF caboose frames. They > are like polyester in the textile world - they self- replicate! I have > a whole shorty trains sketched out pulled by a single truck Geep, that > I call a GP-3.5 and trailed by a cut down AF caboose riding on an AM > passenger truck. Both are about to go to the paint shop - Halloween > scheme is a good idea! > > Keep in touch. > > fmg: aka Don Munsey, Jr. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: waynebeachy113@... > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent:Wed Sep 28 11:03:29 UTC 2011 > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New custom decorated cars > > > Hi Bill, > > Believe it or not, it was from a lighted children's necklace I found > in a craft store. The necklace had about 24 little plastic ghost, 9 of > which had the LEDs embedded in them. It was all run by one of those > tiny batteries, and you even got 2 extra batteries in the package. I > cut off the non-lighted ghost leaving only the 9 lighted ones and hot > glued the necklace to the ceiling of the caboose. I threaded the > battery box/on-off switch through the hole in the caboose chassis and > hot glued it between the trucks so one can turn it off and on without > removing the shell. The lights have 3 different phases, random > blinking (which is what I use), all blink together, and solid on. If I > get a chance to run this for the public during the holidays, I think > it will be very popular. > > Wayne > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote: > > > > Hey Wayne, That looks like a bunch o' fun. The caboose lights are a > > hoot. Can you describe the circuit or whatever it was you used? > > > > Bill > > > > Bill Porter > > South Florida > > > > > > On 9/27/2011 8:10 PM, rapidrail1 wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I have posted 10 photos of some of the cars I have been working on > for the past few months. They are in a file entitled Wayne's misc. holiday > > > > > > For Halloween, we have a Baldwin for the Sleepy Hollow RR. Their > logo is not a white thoroughbred but the headless horseman. At the end > of the train is the Haunted Caboose. In between there are two > gondolas. The trick or treat gondola is filled with candy (be sure to > use wrapped candy), and the pumpkin farm is filled with clear plastic > pumkins from Jack O'Lantern's Pumpkin Farm, as is the shorty gondola. > I designed both and couldn't decide which to make, so I made both. > Other shorty cabooses are a Peanuts Great Pumpkin scene and Scooby Do > scene. The caboose has flashing LED lights which can be seen on the > Youtube video of the entire train. My youtube name is RapidRail. > > > > > > Also in the file are Easter cars: The caboose is the Bunny Hutch > Caboose, with a Egg Hunt gondola that will carry miniature covered > chocolate eggs at Easter and an Easter parade shorty gondola. No > engine to pull that yet. Not sure what I will use. > > > > > > All shorty gondolas are kit bashed Flyer cabooses. All of the > Flyer cars were salvaged from basket cases. The decals I custom make > on my computer and have printed at a commercial printing store on > blank decal paper and overcoated before application. I love doing > these cars because I can fully utilize my imagination and lots of > colors. I will be posting more Christmas and other holiday cars if it > ever stops raining (I prefer to take photos outside)and I slow down > long enough to take them. > > > > > > One additional video on Youtube is the North Pole Branch Line > local. The engine is a Gilbert 4-4-0 re-motored with a SNS DC motor > and custom paper sticker lettering on the side. The cars are all > Bachmann regauged On30 custom painted and redecorated with my custom > decals. I have added a Reindeer Express Agency express car to the > North Pole Express streamline train and will redo the videos to show > that train better than the ones on Youtube currently. I have also > added a pair of Alco PAs painted and decorated to pull the Christmas > streamliner. So it can be pulled either by a streamline pacific or the > PAs. Photos of the Bachmann cars, streamline cars, streamline pacific > and PAs are already in my album called Wayne's Christmas cars. > > > > > > Enjoy > > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66020	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/29/2011
Subject: Re: New custom decorated cars

Well Don, Please let me be the first to congratulate you on your innovative use of common old toys to make new delights. I like those things a lot. I look forward to seeing the progress reports. Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 9/29/2011 10:11 AM, Don & Marsha Munsey Jr wrote: > Wayne and friends, > > Although not near the quality of Wayne's shorty cars from AF cabooses, > here are some links to my shorty trains - works in progress!! > > Shorty train. > http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album147/DSCN0639_crpd > > GP-3.5 bash. > http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album147/DSCN0646_crpd > > Shorty tank car. > http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album147/DSCN0641_crpd > > Bobber caboose bash. > http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album147/DSCN0647_crpd > > Enjoy! > Don Munsey, Jr > Living in UpperRightCorner of Louisiana, USA > > fmg > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66021	From: Robert Conner	Date: 9/29/2011
Subject: Catalogs

Any ideas about copying and reselling AF stuff!!!!! Any Problems????.... Copyrights??? Etc.....I am taking my 1965 Salesman book and the 1965 Press kit and poss my Romer book to York to sell...... It has been suggested I make copies to resell first..... I have a price of 500.00 for 5 copies of the Salesman book.... ONE OF A KIND AND RARE.... Its up on ebay now    Any ideas!!! Bob Conner   21140, 21130, 21145, 375, 21910 any many HARD SETS will be there [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66022	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 9/29/2011
Subject: Fw: Train show in Cleveland Area

The annual "Carnival of Model Railroading" will take place this Saturday & Sunday, 1-2 October 2011 at the Cuyahoga County Fairgrounds in Berea Ohio. That's on the south side of Bagley Rd, about a mile west of I-71. The show is open 10 - 5 on Saturday and 11 - 4 on Sunday. There's free parking, 4 buildings of trains, 300 tables, &c &c. I will be there selling the usual AM, SHS, SSA, SMMW, &c; and the Cuyahoga Valley S Gaugers will have 2 or 3 S gauge layouts running. Tom Hawley -- dba Michigan Models http://michmod.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66023	From: Thorinn Marty	Date: 9/29/2011
Subject: Re: Long passenger train

Dear Rhett: I forgot to mention that the C-C electric started life as an American Highrail copy of Dick Karnes Alco Electric. He took two AF PA-1 shells, cut off the cab and shortened the noses to FA length; cut off the cabs of an AF NH electric (EP-5) and put on the just-created FA cabs. (He also did other things but the result fits over an AF PA mechanism with, maybe, a little trimming of the PA frame.) I got an AM FM Trainmaster mechanism for mine. Painted as UP E50. If you go lookup UP 50, you will discover a double-ended turbine. Despite the paint, it was owned by GE. Production orders replaced the second cab with more oil storage. The final order was the three unit monster where the third unit is a fuel tender. Some of these tenders were saved, cleaned, and now ride behind UP steam full of water. When I set out to create my UP water tender, I tried to build what AC Guilbert would have been given as a prototype. I created it by cutting off the coal piles on two AF Northern tenders. These were copies done in epoxy by Tom Hodges of American Highrail. (Someone else is now selling copies. I saw mountains of copy shells at the last S-Fest. Anything you want.) I also cut up two frames. I staggered the joints when assembling it. I added full-length handrails from Port Line Hobbies plus other parts. A pair of AF trucks and 4 oz of lead finished the model. A trip through the paint shop yielded a yellow and gray model. UP red stripes are not hard to find in S Scale. I decalled the sides with Des Plaines Milwaukee Yellow/Gray decal sets. I made the end decals on my inkjet printer using Testor's Decal Set and spray. (That spray is fantastic. It will restore almost any ancient decal sheet. Be warned. It is easy to make the decals very thick.) Happy modeling, Thorin ________________________________ From: Rhett George <rtg@...> To: Thorinn Marty <lagthor@...> Sent: Thu, September 29, 2011 4:12:34 PM Subject: Re: Long passenger train - Thorin - Thanks for the original and for this additional response. You always have one of the best story lines to be found on the internet. Have a great weekend. Rhett ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:18:24PM -0700, Thorinn Marty wrote: > Dear Rhett: > The real train is The City of Los Angeles. In my fantasy world, my > railroad runs heavy electrics. The attached museum has trolleys and many > other things. It often runs excursions on the railroad with their > restored UP FEF-3 and water tender. The story has the train rented from > Union Pacific. As both the museum and the railroad are privately owned by > me, I can specify usage of museum equipment to move modern freight. > > In reality I have a C-C passenger electric in UP paint and an AF 4-8-4 > that was repainted and desperately needs a refresher. The idea is to > switch power between the two where the overhead ends. > > Thorin > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: Rhett George <rtg@...> > To: lagthor@... > Sent: Thu, September 29, 2011 10:24:34 AM > Subject: Long passenger train > > - Thorin - > > Your description of the full-length diner for your passenger train was > informative, especially the clue about <undiluted> Polly-S paint. > > On which electric line does/did this fine-sounding train operate??? > > CheerS, > > Rhett [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66024	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 9/29/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Train show in Cleveland Area

I will be there for sure, live in Berea so I can walk there Rich in Berea / Cleveland >________________________________ >From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 3:59 PM >Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Train show in Cleveland Area > > >  >The annual "Carnival of Model Railroading" will take place this Saturday & >Sunday, 1-2 October 2011 at the Cuyahoga County Fairgrounds in Berea Ohio. >That's on the south side of Bagley Rd, about a mile west of I-71. > >The show is open 10 - 5 on Saturday and 11 - 4 on Sunday. There's free >parking, 4 buildings of trains, 300 tables, &c &c. I will be there selling >the usual AM, SHS, SSA, SMMW, &c; and the Cuyahoga Valley S Gaugers will >have 2 or 3 S gauge layouts running. > >Tom Hawley -- dba Michigan Models >http://michmod.com > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66025	From: Ben	Date: 9/29/2011
Subject: AF HO and 3/16" O gauge for sale

Lot of AF HO for sale: $300 (18) #382 tinplate curves- 1950 only!!! (16) #380 tinplate straights- 1950 only!!! #5318 (151) Hudson loco/tender #124 MDT reefer #40900 gray flat #123 Pacific Fruit reefer #127 green gondola #131 Reading Caboose (2) #135 New Haven Coaches #131 RPO Incomplete Prewar 3/16" O gauge set #4125- $250 Complete but rough set box #572 Northern w/OB- metal fatigue, broken casting, does not run #567C- Northern tender with chugger OB- metal fatigue, poor, cracked #472 auto unloading car- no load/track/button #486 (OB)yellow hopper #488 (OB)flood light car (light housing has metal fatigue- broken)frame very nice #484 (OB)caboose- nice! #675 remote control uncoupler Some track Includes most original paperwork and tags Incomplete Prewar 3/16" O gauge set #4019- $200 Complete set box #504 LNE Gondola/insert box- VERY NICE #506 B & O Boxcar/insert box(slight warping on sides- new wooden frame- rolls well) #512 Texaco tank/insert box- frame great- body has metal fatigue, decals weak, paint flaking #516 caboose/insert box- frame and body casting very nice except one small metal chip above truck Some track Set of AF Prewar remote control switches, intact light covers, switch controller- $60 Prewar Ringling Brothers whistling billboard w/OB- frame cracked, button- $35 Will separate some of the HO if requested. Can deliver to York October TCA meet. Shipping otherwise at buyer's expense. Will also be listing all above items on TCA X-Change. Make offers- as at a train show and always...this is a hobby. If you can use it and think you'd like to own it, let's talk. The worst I can say is no... Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66026	From: Michael Rector	Date: 9/29/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Train show in Cleveland Area

I had an opportunity to stop in at Ormandy's in Medina last weekend. Picked up a UPS Centennial Edition NIB. He gave me a flyer for the Berea show and said he would be set up there. Sat hello for me please. Thanks, Mike ________________________________ From: Richard Falzini <rfalzini@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Train show in Cleveland Area   I will be there for sure, live in Berea so I can walk there Rich in Berea / Cleveland >________________________________ >From: Tom Hawley <t.hawley@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 3:59 PM >Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Train show in Cleveland Area > > >  >The annual "Carnival of Model Railroading" will take place this Saturday & >Sunday, 1-2 October 2011 at the Cuyahoga County Fairgrounds in Berea Ohio. >That's on the south side of Bagley Rd, about a mile west of I-71. > >The show is open 10 - 5 on Saturday and 11 - 4 on Sunday. There's free >parking, 4 buildings of trains, 300 tables, &c &c. I will be there selling >the usual AM, SHS, SSA, SMMW, &c; and the Cuyahoga Valley S Gaugers will >have 2 or 3 S gauge layouts running. > >Tom Hawley -- dba Michigan Models >http://michmod.com > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66027	From: George Cohn	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Train Flasher, Gate, Bell

For those who enjoy tinkering with electronics as well as trains, check out the October issue of Nuts & Volts Magazine. http://www.nutsvolts.com/magazine There is a cool article in it on how to build a working crossing gate with flashing lights, a servo controlled arm, and bell sounds. Uses a PIC microprocessor and the source code is available at the magazine web site. I built something similar a few years back for the 759 crossing flasher. Mine uses the original bulbs and bell and required some power transistors to handle the bell load which is about 1.5 amps. I may use this article as a jumping off point to modify mine. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66028	From: Major	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Pre war Flyer conversion to two rail

Mickmick1958 posted a cool picture of a prewar AF Pennsy torpedo that he converted to 2 rail S Scale. The conversion looks cool nice job.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66029	From: Robert Graves	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Chirping Flyonel Northern

I recently got a Flyonel Northern that chirps rather than chuffing; it sounds like a baby bird is trapped inside!  I lubricated all the axles like the manual says and that reduced the volume of the squeaking, but the chick is still there.  I opened it up and lubricated the gear that drives the piston, but that didn't do it either.  Any suggestions?  Should I lubricate the walls of the piston chamber?  With oil, grease, or graphite?  Other tan that, it runs great and the sounds work. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66030	From: NEIL	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC & SHORTS

What amp fuse do you recommend? I believe the Dallee #400 is rated at 4 amps. Neil --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Brady" <brady@...> wrote: > > > What happens to the electronics when your engine shorts out on the tracks? > > Mike > > > > Modern power supplies normally have pretty fast curcuit breakers, but the breakers on vintage transformers probably are not fast enough to avoid damage to circuit boards if there's a derailment. > > If you're using a Gilbert (or postwar Lionel) transformer with TMCC consider adding a fast-blow fuse. > > Brady Burdge >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66031	From: afjeff_56	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: River City Toy Train Meet (in Sacramento, Ca.)

Hello All, Our annual River City Toy Train Swap Meet will be held Saturday October 1, from 10am to 3pm. At the Scottish Rite Center, 6151 H Street, Sacramento, California 95819. It is hosted by the Sacramento Valley Division of the Toy Train Operating Society (TTOS) . There will be all Gauges of Trains. Yes Plenty of S Gauge "American Flyer" to Buy, Trade, or Sell. There will be Operating Train Layouts, Door Prizes, Refreshments. Hope to See some of you West Coasters come out! Jeff Silvera (916) 481-4694

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66032	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern

Bob, This has been discussed a lot. Here is a link to Carl's solution: http://www.tuveson.com/NorthernSmoke/improving_the_smoke.htm BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > I recently got a Flyonel Northern that chirps rather than chuffing; it sounds like a baby bird is trapped inside!  I lubricated all the axles like the manual says and that reduced the volume of the squeaking, but the chick is still there.  I opened it up and lubricated the gear that drives the piston, but that didn't do it either.  Any suggestions?  Should I lubricate the walls of the piston chamber?  With oil, grease, or graphite?  Other tan that, it runs great and the sounds work. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66033	From: Roy Inman	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern

Send it to Lionel for fix, or to Doug at Portland Hobby Supply. There are parts available, I think from Doug or Lionel, don¹t know for sure. It was a design flaw. Roy From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 07:56:22 -0700 (PDT) To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Chirping Flyonel Northern I recently got a Flyonel Northern that chirps rather than chuffing; it sounds like a baby bird is trapped inside!  I lubricated all the axles like the manual says and that reduced the volume of the squeaking, but the chick is still there.  I opened it up and lubricated the gear that drives the piston, but that didn't do it either.  Any suggestions?  Should I lubricate the walls of the piston chamber?  With oil, grease, or graphite?  Other tan that, it runs great and the sounds work. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66034	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Chirping Flyonel Northern

Another option is to replace the funky Lionel smoke unit with an original Gilbert American Flyer one. Not hard to do. I have done about 10 of them now. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 9/30/2011 10:54:05 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: Bob, This has been discussed a lot. Here is a link to Carl's solution: _http://www.tuveson.com/NorthernSmoke/improving_the_smoke.htm_ (http://www.tuveson.com/NorthernSmoke/improving_the_smoke.htm) BG1 --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > I recently got a Flyonel Northern that chirps rather than chuffing; it sounds like a baby bird is trapped inside! I lubricated all the axles like the manual says and that reduced the volume of the squeaking, but the chick is still there. I opened it up and lubricated the gear that drives the piston, but that didn't do it either. Any suggestions? Should I lubricate the walls of the piston chamber? With oil, grease, or graphite? Other tan that, it runs great and the sounds work. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66035	From: frank emiro	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern

The Chirp is from the smoke unit. If it was bought new and under warrantee, contact LTI. They sometimes pay for the shipping. If not Doug works. Frank R. EMIRO ________________________________ From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chirping Flyonel Northern   Send it to Lionel for fix, or to Doug at Portland Hobby Supply. There are parts available, I think from Doug or Lionel, don¹t know for sure. It was a design flaw. Roy From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 07:56:22 -0700 (PDT) To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Chirping Flyonel Northern I recently got a Flyonel Northern that chirps rather than chuffing; it sounds like a baby bird is trapped inside!  I lubricated all the axles like the manual says and that reduced the volume of the squeaking, but the chick is still there.  I opened it up and lubricated the gear that drives the piston, but that didn't do it either.  Any suggestions?  Should I lubricate the walls of the piston chamber?  With oil, grease, or graphite?  Other tan that, it runs great and the sounds work. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66036	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Chirping Lionel Northern

There is a rumor that in a budget cutting effort, Lionel attempted to teach parakeets and similarly talented small birds to make locomotive sounds. Unfortunately, this failed. The reasons are many: 1. The prototype bird was taking too long to teach to choo-choo and held up the production schedule. 2. A months long experiment in shipping the birds inside locomotives by containers proved impractical due to the birds expiring during the journey. 3. Import restrictions on non-domestic foul being shipped into the country had been overlooked, causing more legal problems for Lionel. 4. Trial customers didn't mind putting smoke fluid into their locomotives but found bird seed unavailable at hobby shops. 5. Bird dung damages the track's rails. However, while that problem was solved, this led to an unfortunate slip up in the locomotive's redesign due to the language barrier between Lionel and the Chinese manufacturer which misunderstood that the locos were now required to chirp. And if you believe that one, I'll tell you another! :-) (Ah, come on...it was too good an opportunity to pass up!) Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66037	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern

You can just put in a smoke unit from a Gilbert Engine, bolts right in! I am looking for one at York for my Flyonel Northern I bought last York! Chuck Harrington http://www.myflyertrains.org On Sep 30, 2011, at 10:56 AM, Robert Graves wrote: > I recently got a Flyonel Northern that chirps rather than chuffing; it sounds like a baby bird is trapped inside! I lubricated all the axles like the manual says and that reduced the volume of the squeaking, but the chick is still there. I opened it up and lubricated the gear that drives the piston, but that didn't do it either. Any suggestions? Should I lubricate the walls of the piston chamber? With oil, grease, or graphite? Other tan that, it runs great and the sounds work. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66038	From: R G	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern

Since the locomotive has rail sounds it is redundant to have a mechanical chugger.  For my Northern, Lionel sent me a replacment top cover that  covers the opening on top.  This stops the chirping sound or any sound from being emmitted by the mechanical chugger.  This change does not affect smoke production.  You could probably do the modification with a piece of tape.  Just cover the opening. ________________________________ From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> To: s-trains list <s-trains@...> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 10:56 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Chirping Flyonel Northern   I recently got a Flyonel Northern that chirps rather than chuffing; it sounds like a baby bird is trapped inside!  I lubricated all the axles like the manual says and that reduced the volume of the squeaking, but the chick is still there.  I opened it up and lubricated the gear that drives the piston, but that didn't do it either.  Any suggestions?  Should I lubricate the walls of the piston chamber?  With oil, grease, or graphite?  Other tan that, it runs great and the sounds work. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66039	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern

It seems to me that Lionel should have provided the replacement top free of charge to anyone that asked for it, or for advice as to how to fix the problem. Actually, they should have tested it properly before releasing it and then fixed the problem before shipping the units. What has happened to quality control these days? Bruce From: R G Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 10:07 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chirping Flyonel Northern Since the locomotive has rail sounds it is redundant to have a mechanical chugger. For my Northern, Lionel sent me a replacment top cover that covers the opening on top. This stops the chirping sound or any sound from being emmitted by the mechanical chugger. This change does not affect smoke production. You could probably do the modification with a piece of tape. Just cover the opening. ________________________________ From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> To: s-trains list <s-trains@...> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 10:56 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Chirping Flyonel Northern I recently got a Flyonel Northern that chirps rather than chuffing; it sounds like a baby bird is trapped inside! I lubricated all the axles like the manual says and that reduced the volume of the squeaking, but the chick is still there. I opened it up and lubricated the gear that drives the piston, but that didn't do it either. Any suggestions? Should I lubricate the walls of the piston chamber? With oil, grease, or graphite? Other tan that, it runs great and the sounds work. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66040	From: johntech	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Dcc control boards

For those out there that used the SNS can motors and run DCC, How small of control boards do they make? I'm not looking for all the bells and whistle just forward, reverse and headlights. Would you know if I could go with a HO control board or would the can motor burn it out? Thanks for any info! John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66041	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern

In China??? They have NONE, we have TOO MANY. I have seen some of this stuff before it went into mass production. Among other things, the Chinese do not understand Plus & Minus as pertains to wiring. Jim Lyle In a message dated 9/30/2011 6:10:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, goatfarm@... writes: What has happened to quality control these days? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66042	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 9/30/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern

I disagree - they make high quality electronic parts and scientific instruments. Quality is high - IF SPECIFIED AND PAID FOR! Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Fri, 30 Sep 2011 18:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Chirping Flyonel Northern   In China??? They have NONE, we have TOO MANY. I have seen some of this stuff before it went into mass production. Among other things, the Chinese do not understand Plus & Minus as pertains to wiring. Jim Lyle In a message dated 9/30/2011 6:10:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, goatfarm@... [1] writes: What has happened to quality control these days? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:goatfarm%40comcast.net [2] mailto:WJJIM@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Chirping%20Flyonel%20Northern [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Chirping%20Flyonel%20Northern [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvZDF2Mm85BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NjA0MQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTc0MjI2MDc-?act=reply&messageNum=66041 [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjdmh2ZzdsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTc0MjI2MDc- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/66029;_ylc=X3oDMTM0Z3ZrZWI4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NjA0MQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTc0MjI2MDcEdHBjSWQDNjYwMjk- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkYjRybzV2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzE3NDIyNjA3?o=6 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkMG90N205BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzE3NDIyNjA3 [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjczJvZW80BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMTc0MjI2MDc- [10] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ [11] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15ohb0ddi/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1317429807/L=9cdd6a56-ebb5-11e0-b784-7386a049eb4a/B=hgSwAWKJiVc-/J=1317422607471277/K=HZYVDfBkx8Ksy72IEUAEEg/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj [12] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJicXFvc3I3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMxNzQyMjYwNw-- [13] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [14] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [15] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [16] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66043	From: michael r	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern

well u could put in a real smoke unit from gilbert that works and they just bolt in --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > I recently got a Flyonel Northern that chirps rather than chuffing; it sounds like a baby bird is trapped inside!  I lubricated all the axles like the manual says and that reduced the volume of the squeaking, but the chick is still there.  I opened it up and lubricated the gear that drives the piston, but that didn't do it either.  Any suggestions?  Should I lubricate the walls of the piston chamber?  With oil, grease, or graphite?  Other tan that, it runs great and the sounds work. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66044	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: Dcc control boards

The stall current is too high for the HO decoders. They are usable with care and not overloading the loco, but not worth the difference in price of the bigger ones. Best to use the higher amp ones that are available. MRC, NCE, and Digitrax all make them. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 9/30/2011 4:10:49 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, beebear@... writes: For those out there that used the SNS can motors and run DCC, How small of control boards do they make? I'm not looking for all the bells and whistle just forward, reverse and headlights. Would you know if I could go with a HO control board or would the can motor burn it out? Thanks for any info! John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66045	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Kit Bashing Guide Available!

Thanks to the efforts of Chuck Harrington, "Kit Bashing American Flyer Steam Locomotives" is now posted on his expansive "My Flyer Trains" website at: myflyertrains.org The guide is 36 pages long, with a photo section at the end showing completed projects as examples of what can be done. And there's a Bonus Feature about the rebuilding of a very rough #310 K-5 loco that everyone else had written off. The guide gives tips on which locomotives you might want to modify, and the tricks I have learned to do that over my many years in the hobby. Along the way I tell a few brief stories and suggest tools and materials that I've found useful. You might be surprised at some of the items and how inexpensive they can be. Remember, I started building models back when a Quarter would buy you a gallon of gasoline! The guide is assembled with the idea that a beginner can start with some of the easier changes and work their way toward more involved models. Advanced model builders shouldn't expect too much as they are already beyond the scope of this missive, yet may find a few things of interest. Chuck has also invited me to contribute regular articles to "My Flyer Trains" under the heading of "Stumpy's Station" and will be posting the "East S Gauge Scratch Building" guide at some point in the future. He has given me the chance to "give back" to the hobby which I have enjoyed for so many years by passing along what I have learned and some ideas that may be of use to others. Enjoy... Terry "Stumpy" Stone Martins Ferry, OH.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66046	From: Brady	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC & SHORTS

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "NEIL" <bowlsalot2@...> wrote: > > What amp fuse do you recommend? I believe the Dallee #400 is rated at 4 amps. > > Neil Neil, I'm not an electronics expert, but my understanding is that this means that the #400 can handle up to 4 amps of current draw during operation. For breaker protection, in my O gauge days I used 8 amp fast-blow fuses with postwar transformers, wired between the transformer and the track. For Flyer you might want to use 4 amp fuses. Is there anyone else on the list that can comment? Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66047	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern

Jim, I've been in several Chinese large equipment fabrication shops and several Chinese chemical plants with computerized process control systems. They have excellent quality control and, unfortunately, can run circles around similar US facilities. If Lionel is playing cheap Charlie (which I suspect) then they are getting what they pay for. The same would be true no matter where Lionel is purchasing - you get what you pay for. A point of interest - electronics, cell phones, digital cameras, computers, etc sell for almost the same price in China as in the US - so don't go to China expecting to find any bargains on electronics. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > In China??? They have NONE, we have TOO MANY. I have seen some of this > stuff before it went into mass production. Among other things, the Chinese > do not understand Plus & Minus as pertains to wiring. > > Jim Lyle > > > In a message dated 9/30/2011 6:10:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > goatfarm@... writes: > > What has happened to quality control these days? > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66048	From: John M	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Lionel Northern

I understand they switched to canaries in the hope that if smoke output became too strong, the canary would asphyxiate and thus warn the operator to vent the train room. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > There is a rumor that in a budget cutting effort, Lionel attempted to teach parakeets and similarly talented small birds to make locomotive sounds. Unfortunately, this failed. The reasons are many: .... <sn> > Stumpy in Ahia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66049	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern

I have seen smoke units on the test bench with the fans wired wrong enough that they pulled air INTO the units not pushed it out. This would be after the tester had sent them the correct wiring diagrams. There is a large instrument company north of Philly. They USED to manufacture there, now all they do is REPAIR there, the products sent from China, that fail testing before they can ship & sell them. Then there is the story of the LIONEL Chesterfiled plant and the track machine. 12 stations on a circular moving machine. 12 people, UAW all, assembled track day in, day out. One day or days, the person who "staked" the rails, forgot to work, they shipped hundreds of cases of track with loose rails. This from a well known, now deceased, hobby shop owner friend who got 6 cases of the track. AND SENT IT BACK. I will admit that I am not happy about our biggest corporations getting multi-billion dollar tax breaks, paying NO federal Income taxes and then as a means of thanking the American people for the largesse, sending 500 MORE jibs to China. ONLY in America. I guess there are "levels" of perfect. Jim Lyle In a message dated 10/1/2011 7:17:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: Jim, I've been in several Chinese large equipment fabrication shops and several Chinese chemical plants with computerized process control systems. They have excellent quality control and, unfortunately, can run circles around similar US facilities. If Lionel is playing cheap Charlie (which I suspect) then they are getting what they pay for. The same would be true no matter where Lionel is purchasing - you get what you pay for. A point of interest - electronics, cell phones, digital cameras, computers, etc sell for almost the same price in China as in the US - so don't go to China expecting to find any bargains on electronics. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > In China??? They have NONE, we have TOO MANY. I have seen some of this > stuff before it went into mass production. Among other things, the Chinese > do not understand Plus & Minus as pertains to wiring. > > Jim Lyle > > > In a message dated 9/30/2011 6:10:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > goatfarm@... writes: > > What has happened to quality control these days? > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66050	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern

The saddest part of all of this is that the buyer probably paid GOOD money for a less than decent product and then had to fix it himself, rather than the manufacturer standing behind it, oh yes, they did offer a bandage the BUYER could install. How gracious. Jim Lyle In a message dated 10/1/2011 7:17:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mickmick1958@... writes: well u could put in a real smoke unit from gilbert that works and they just bolt in [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66051	From: Carey Probst	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: Kit Bashing Guide Available!

Are you still willing to send out hard copies or is a PDF file available? Given my workshop is not near my computer it would be nice to be able to have a copy to take with me. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 10/1/2011 7:14 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > > Thanks to the efforts of Chuck Harrington, "Kit Bashing American Flyer > Steam Locomotives" is now posted on his expansive "My Flyer Trains" > website at: myflyertrains.org > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66052	From: Robert Graves	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern

Do ALL models of Gilbert smoke unit fit, or do I need to get one from a specific Gilbert engine? ________________________________ From: michael r <mickmick1958@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 8:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern   well u could put in a real smoke unit from gilbert that works and they just bolt in --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > I recently got a Flyonel Northern that chirps rather than chuffing; it sounds like a baby bird is trapped inside!  I lubricated all the axles like the manual says and that reduced the volume of the squeaking, but the chick is still there.  I opened it up and lubricated the gear that drives the piston, but that didn't do it either.  Any suggestions?  Should I lubricate the walls of the piston chamber?  With oil, grease, or graphite?  Other tan that, it runs great and the sounds work. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66053	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: Kit Bashing Guide Available!

STUMPY - FANTASTIC!!! THNX for the excellent read and thnx also to Chuck for hosting it!!! Don Munsey, Jr Living & Bashing Flyer in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana, USA fmg On 10/1/2011 6:14 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > > Thanks to the efforts of Chuck Harrington, "Kit Bashing American Flyer > Steam Locomotives" is now posted on his expansive "My Flyer Trains" > website at: myflyertrains.org > The guide is 36 pages long, with a photo section at the end showing > completed projects as examples of what can be done. And there's a > Bonus Feature about the rebuilding of a very rough #310 K-5 loco that > everyone else had written off. > The guide gives tips on which locomotives you might want to modify, > and the tricks I have learned to do that over my many years in the > hobby. Along the way I tell a few brief stories and suggest tools and > materials that I've found useful. You might be surprised at some of > the items and how inexpensive they can be. Remember, I started > building models back when a Quarter would buy you a gallon of gasoline! > The guide is assembled with the idea that a beginner can start with > some of the easier changes and work their way toward more involved > models. Advanced model builders shouldn't expect too much as they are > already beyond the scope of this missive, yet may find a few things of > interest. > Chuck has also invited me to contribute regular articles to "My Flyer > Trains" under the heading of "Stumpy's Station" and will be posting > the "East S Gauge Scratch Building" guide at some point in the future. > He has given me the chance to "give back" to the hobby which I have > enjoyed for so many years by passing along what I have learned and > some ideas that may be of use to others. Enjoy... > Terry "Stumpy" Stone Martins Ferry, OH. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66054	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Official - Open House

Toy Train Unlimited Open House Wednesday , October the 12th, 2pm Till Everyone Leaves Toy Trains Unlimited, 38 York St., Hanover PA. 17331,will be having an open house on Wednesday, October the 12th, 2011. This is the week of the York TCA, Meet. This year's event will start at 2PM., and will continue until everyone has left or has been thrown out, including myself (Ron). There will be food, drinks, and a large selection of American Flyer trains and accessories. Hopefully there will be some very unusual and interesting Flyer items to show and tell about (brought in by you Flyer guys), and of course we will have a large group of Flyer operators and collectors visiting also. Make plans to attend this yearly event and please tell your Lionel friends to come along also, because there is plenty of that stuff here also. If you have any questions please call us at, 717-637-6943. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66055	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern

Flyonel stuff is fine as long as you don't expect their S products are really ready to run, as in my experience they often are not. My examples, chirping Northern, Big Boy with all kinds of problems, NP passenger cars with metal couplers that can short, generally couplers inferior to Gilbert, smoke unit are not the best either. But, who else would give me a Big Boy at all, or a Mikado. It is not perfect, but I keep buying. I never consider these pieces collectable, and I make the changes I want to make them run properly. I am passing on the new $1000 engines, 4-6-6-4s I think. Too much money for something I am afraid will be full of bugs like the Big Boy. Chuck Harrington On Sep 30, 2011, at 10:46 PM, bull_gator_1 wrote: > Jim, > > I've been in several Chinese large equipment fabrication shops and several Chinese chemical plants with computerized process control systems. They have excellent quality control and, unfortunately, can run circles around similar US facilities. If Lionel is playing cheap Charlie (which I suspect) then they are getting what they pay for. The same would be true no matter where Lionel is purchasing - you get what you pay for. > > A point of interest - electronics, cell phones, digital cameras, computers, etc sell for almost the same price in China as in the US - so don't go to China expecting to find any bargains on electronics. > > BG1 > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > > > In China??? They have NONE, we have TOO MANY. I have seen some of this > > stuff before it went into mass production. Among other things, the Chinese > > do not understand Plus & Minus as pertains to wiring. > > > > Jim Lyle > > > > > > In a message dated 9/30/2011 6:10:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > goatfarm@... writes: > > > > What has happened to quality control these days? > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66056	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC & SHORTS

Ok, When I first went TMCC I burned some stuff up with shorts, especially when using the Flyonel Big Boy, this included burning out the wiring in 2 s-trax switches. Then I discovered a product for TMCC (if you are not using legacy) called the Powermaster PM-1. This baby not only totally protects you against shorts, but allows you to run your convention Gilbert engines and control them with the CAB-1 remote. Works beautifully! Will not run TMCC anymore without the PM-1. Chuck Harrington On Sep 30, 2011, at 10:51 PM, Brady wrote: > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "NEIL" <bowlsalot2@...> wrote: > > > > What amp fuse do you recommend? I believe the Dallee #400 is rated at 4 amps. > > > > Neil > > Neil, > > I'm not an electronics expert, but my understanding is that this means that the #400 can handle up to 4 amps of current draw during operation. > > For breaker protection, in my O gauge days I used 8 amp fast-blow fuses with postwar transformers, wired between the transformer and the track. For Flyer you might want to use 4 amp fuses. > > Is there anyone else on the list that can comment? > > Brady Burdge > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66057	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Reminder

READING COMPANY TECHNICAL & HISTORICAL SOCIETY Train Meet, Sunday Oct 2nd. 9 AM til 1 PM, Scale & Toy Trains of All Ages & Gauges for SALE. Leesport Farmers Market PA RT 61 North of Reading, Leesport, PA. Adult Admission $ 4.00, Kids 12 & Under FREE w/Adult FREE PARKING--Good Food By Boy Scouts--Flea Market Open. I will have a limited supply of the new WARDIE-JAY "Track Whackers", a handy track cutting jig on hand. Available in "O" & "S". Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66058	From: rick gough	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern

Robert,   You can call Eastside Trains in Kirkland, WA and the tech there can tell you exactly what to do to correct this manufacturing assembly defect. It isn't difficult, but something is actually assembled backwards. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66059	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/2/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday October 2, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 4 minutes. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66060	From: johntech	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: My new Baldwin "critter" is moving

Hi Guys I just got the second pickup installed and wired to my new Baldwin "critter". With the lead weight installed that was included with the CAN motor from SNS, I think this is going to be a real puller. I picked up an Autopulse Momentum 2.5 power pack at the train show in Cleveland, Ohio today and it really makes that "critter" crawl even pulling 2 gondola cars. I tried some 3mm Yeloglo White LED's in place of the headlights on both ends and they will look fantastic once installed perminatly. Next it will get new knuckle coupler mountings, hand grab irons and a set of horns John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66061	From: Al Baker	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern

A few months ago I bought a Lionel Northern from a private party that had not run it, and it obviously was from the early production runs as it had a loud chirp. So thinking about the idea below (tape), I took it apart, covered the opening with a small piece of sheet metal (from a tin can), slipped the edge of the metal under the gasket (it still covered the opening), and then taped the opening/metal with duct tape. The result is the mechanical choo-choo is gone (Good! Because I don’t want it) and the chirp is about 85% gone. But I still get some chirp at certain speeds, especially slower speeds. I want the chirp all gone. This should have done what Lionel’s extended gasket does, but doesn’t – not quite. So what I am wondering, is what do you guys think if I open it up, and either remove the baffle, or make the baffle hole bigger, would that get me what I want (No chirp, and No mechanical choo-choo). Of course I would be closing the opening up with the metal and tape again. Then I would have to address smoke production… Al Baker Portland From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of R G Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 10:08 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chirping Flyonel Northern Since the locomotive has rail sounds it is redundant to have a mechanical chugger. For my Northern, Lionel sent me a replacment top cover that covers the opening on top. This stops the chirping sound or any sound from being emmitted by the mechanical chugger. This change does not affect smoke production. You could probably do the modification with a piece of tape. Just cover the opening. ________________________________ From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@... <mailto:theupstairstrain%40yahoo.com> > To: s-trains list <s-trains@... <mailto:s-trains%40YahooGroups.com> > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 10:56 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Chirping Flyonel Northern I recently got a Flyonel Northern that chirps rather than chuffing; it sounds like a baby bird is trapped inside! I lubricated all the axles like the manual says and that reduced the volume of the squeaking, but the chick is still there. I opened it up and lubricated the gear that drives the piston, but that didn't do it either. Any suggestions? Should I lubricate the walls of the piston chamber? With oil, grease, or graphite? Other tan that, it runs great and the sounds work. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66062	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC & SHORTS

Thanks Brady, that's what I thought too. Neil --- On Sat, 10/1/11, Brady <brady@...> wrote: From: Brady <brady@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: TMCC & SHORTS To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 1, 2011, 2:51 AM   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "NEIL" <bowlsalot2@...> wrote: > > What amp fuse do you recommend? I believe the Dallee #400 is rated at 4 amps. > > Neil Neil, I'm not an electronics expert, but my understanding is that this means that the #400 can handle up to 4 amps of current draw during operation. For breaker protection, in my O gauge days I used 8 amp fast-blow fuses with postwar transformers, wired between the transformer and the track. For Flyer you might want to use 4 amp fuses. Is there anyone else on the list that can comment? Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66063	From: Alan Udy	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: Dcc control boards

For those out there that used the SNS can motors and run DCC, How small of control boards do they make? I'm not looking for all the bells and whistle just forward, reverse and headlights. Would you know if I could go with a HO control board or would the can motor burn it out? Thanks for any info! John Any good one ampere dcc control board will work fine with the SnS can motor. Alan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66064	From: johntech	Date: 10/1/2011
Subject: Re: Dcc control boards

Thanks Alan I just checked the current draw with the lead weight in the engine and 2 gondolas in tow and it was drawing around 200 milliamps. Of course I also checked it with full power (15 volts DC) and the stall current was about 1.25 amps. I wonder if I do use a 1 amp board and put a 3/4 amp pico fuse inline with the motor power that should protect the board from burnout if something happens? John ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Udy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 2:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Dcc control boards For those out there that used the SNS can motors and run DCC, How small of control boards do they make? I'm not looking for all the bells and whistle just forward, reverse and headlights. Would you know if I could go with a HO control board or would the can motor burn it out? Thanks for any info! John Any good one ampere dcc control board will work fine with the SnS can motor. Alan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66065	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/2/2011
Subject: YORK WEEK OPEN HOUSE - Corrected Notice

OPEN HOUSE TOY TRAINS UNLIMITED 38 YORK ST. (NEW LOCATION ) HANOVER PA. 17331 ( 25 minutes from York, PA Fairgrounds) 1-717-637-4717 WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 12 , 2011 2PM Until Everyone Leaves Toy Trains Unlimited, 38 York St., Hanover PA. 17331,will be having an open house on Wednesday, October the 12th, 2011. This is the week of the York TCA, Meet. This year's event will start at 2PM., and will continue until everyone has left or has been thrown out, including myself (Ron). There will be food, drinks, and a large selection of American Flyer trains and accessories. Hopefully there will be some very unusual and interesting Flyer items to show and tell about (brought in by you Flyer guys), and of course we will have a large group of Flyer operators and collectors visiting also. Make plans to attend this yearly event and please tell your Lionel friends to come along also, because there is plenty of that stuff here also. WE HAVE MOVED INTO A NEW, BIGGER & BETTER STORE WHICH IS LOCATED ON THE SAME BLOCK AS OUR PREVIOUS LOCATION. DIRECTIONS: From the York Fairgrounds, take Market St. to Carlisle Ave. until you get to Rt. 30 West. Follow Rt. 30 West (for approximately 8 miles) until you come to the intersection of Rts.116 & 30. Turn left onto Rt.116. From Rts.116 & 30 you will travel approximately 20 miles where Rt.116 will become York St. in the town of Hanover. As you enter the town of Hanover, travel approximately 2 miles. The train shop will be on the right side of York St.(Rt.116). Look for the Railroad Flag hanging from the front of the store. GILBERT AMERICAN FLYER TRAINS & ACCESSORIES Toy Trains Unlimited, 38 York St., Hanover PA. 17331,will be having an open house on Wednesday, October the 12th, 2011. This is the week of the York TCA, Meet. This year's event will start at 2PM., and will continue until everyone has left or has been thrown out, including myself (Ron). There will be food, drinks, and a large selection of American Flyer trains and accessories. Hopefully there will be some very unusual and interesting Flyer items to show and tell about (brought in by you Flyer guys), and of course we will have a large group of Flyer operators and collectors visiting also. Make plans to attend this yearly event and please tell your Lionel friends to come along also, because there is plenty of that stuff here also. WE HAVE MOVED INTO A NEW, BIGGER & BETTER STORE WHICH IS LOCATED ON THE SAME BLOCK AS OUR PREVIOUS LOCATION. DIRECTIONS: From the York Fairgrounds, take Market St. to Carlisle Ave. until you get to Rt. 30 West. Follow Rt. 30 West (for approximately 8 miles) until you come to the intersection of Rts.116 & 30. Turn left onto Rt.116. From Rts.116 & 30 you will travel approximately 20 miles where Rt.116 will become York St. in the town of Hanover. As you enter the town of Hanover, travel approximately 2 miles. The train shop will be on the right side of York St.(Rt.116). Look for the Railroad Flag hanging from the front of the store. GILBERT AMERICAN FLYER TRAINS & ACCESSORIES AMERICAN MODELS, S-HELPER, K-LINE, LIONEL/AMERICAN FLYER POST & PRE-WAR LIONEL ////TRAINS & ACCESSORIES MTH ////TRAINS & ACCESSORIES DISCOUNT TRAIN SETS THERE ARE NO RETAIL PRICES IN THIS STORE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66066	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/2/2011
Subject: Re: Chirping Flyonel Northern

See AF REPAIR CLINIC #31A on our website. http://www.portlines.com/portlinesclinic31A.htm You use the common Gilbert smoke unit used in most of their engines. << Do ALL models of Gilbert smoke unit fit, or do I need to get one from a specific Gilbert engine?>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66067	From: johntech	Date: 10/2/2011
Subject: Manual non AF switch controllers

While I was at the train show in Cleveland, Oh I ran across a manual switch controller that is similar to the Tortoise Switch Machine. It's called Blue Point Switch Machine and you can get it from Micro Mart for about $11.00 You can find them at Micro Mart Search for Blue Point Switch Machine It has 2 miniture toggle switches built inside it and is switched by hand. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66068	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/2/2011
Subject: Re: Dcc control boards

Dear John, Gold Lenz decoders cost a bit more, but one reason is the overload and short protection as well as a 10 year warranty. http://www.lenzusa.com/1newsite1/Gold+.html Don T. On Oct 1, 2011, at 10:22 PM, johntech wrote: > Thanks Alan > > I just checked the current draw with the lead weight in the engine and 2 gondolas in tow > and it was drawing around 200 milliamps. Of course I also checked it with full power (15 volts DC) > and the stall current was about 1.25 amps. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66069	From: Johntech	Date: 10/2/2011
Subject: Re: Dcc control boards

Thank you Don! Right now I am open to all suggestions as I don't have a particular controller in mind right now. I will check them out John ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Dcc control boards Dear John, Gold Lenz decoders cost a bit more, but one reason is the overload and short protection as well as a 10 year warranty. http://www.lenzusa.com/1newsite1/Gold+.html Don T. On Oct 1, 2011, at 10:22 PM, johntech wrote: > Thanks Alan > > I just checked the current draw with the lead weight in the engine and 2 gondolas in tow > and it was drawing around 200 milliamps. Of course I also checked it with full power (15 volts DC) > and the stall current was about 1.25 amps. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66070	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/2/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/2/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday October 2, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66071	From: R G	Date: 10/2/2011
Subject: Re: My new Baldwin "critter" is moving

I did the same thing to one of my Baldwins and the performance is much improved to include increased pulling power and better operating speeds ________________________________ From: johntech <beebear@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 10:02 PM Subject: [S-Trains] My new Baldwin "critter" is moving   Hi Guys I just got the second pickup installed and wired to my new Baldwin "critter". With the lead weight installed that was included with the CAN motor from SNS, I think this is going to be a real puller. I picked up an Autopulse Momentum 2.5 power pack at the train show in Cleveland, Ohio today and it really makes that "critter" crawl even pulling 2 gondola cars. I tried some 3mm Yeloglo White LED's in place of the headlights on both ends and they will look fantastic once installed perminatly. Next it will get new knuckle coupler mountings, hand grab irons and a set of horns John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66072	From: johntech	Date: 10/2/2011
Subject: Re: My new Baldwin "critter" is moving

The only thing I can see that there will be a problem is running it through a switch. When the pickups cross over the plastic part of the switch it will stop. It looks like I will have to rework the pickups to fix that. Other than that it does a good job of pulling with just the single powered truck. I wonder if I could put metal wheels on both axles and some how insulate one side from the other? John ----- Original Message ----- From: R G To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] My new Baldwin "critter" is moving I did the same thing to one of my Baldwins and the performance is much improved to include increased pulling power and better operating speeds ________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66073	From: butch8339@atlanticbb.net	Date: 10/3/2011
Subject: what time on thursday does the york meet open

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "johntech" <beebear@...> wrote: > > The only thing I can see that there will be a problem is running it through a switch. > When the pickups cross over the plastic part of the switch it will stop. > > It looks like I will have to rework the pickups to fix that. Other than that it does a > good job of pulling with just the single powered truck. > > I wonder if I could put metal wheels on both axles and some how insulate one side from the other? > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: R G > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 7:30 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] My new Baldwin "critter" is moving > > > > I did the same thing to one of my Baldwins and the performance is much improved to include increased pulling power and better operating speeds > > ________________________________ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66074	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/3/2011
Subject: Re: what time on thursday does the york meet open

Starts at noon. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: butch8339 <butch8339@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:38 am Subject: [S-Trains] what time on thursday does the york meet open --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "johntech" <beebear@...> wrote: > > The only thing I can see that there will be a problem is running it through a switch. > When the pickups cross over the plastic part of the switch it will stop. > > It looks like I will have to rework the pickups to fix that. Other than that it does a > good job of pulling with just the single powered truck. > > I wonder if I could put metal wheels on both axles and some how insulate one side from the other? > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: R G > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 7:30 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] My new Baldwin "critter" is moving > > > > I did the same thing to one of my Baldwins and the performance is much improved to include increased pulling power and better operating speeds > > ________________________________ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66075	From: Timboy	Date: 10/3/2011
Subject: Building a Large Vintage American Flyer Layout

Fellow American Flyer Guys: It's "train season" again and I am active, after completing a lot of home improvement, garden and furniture building projects during the warm weather months. This year, I am adding a yard to my vintage Flyer layout. It will measure 4X8. To see my progress so far, you are invited to visit: http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66076	From: R G	Date: 10/3/2011
Subject: Re: what time on thursday does the york meet open

I try to go both Thursday and Friday since it is impossible to see everything in one day. Fortunately I am only an hour away from York. PA, in Baltimore MD. so I can go home in the PM. ________________________________ From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] what time on thursday does the york meet open   Starts at noon. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: butch8339 <butch8339@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:38 am Subject: [S-Trains] what time on thursday does the york meet open --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "johntech" <beebear@...> wrote: > > The only thing I can see that there will be a problem is running it through a switch. > When the pickups cross over the plastic part of the switch it will stop. > > It looks like I will have to rework the pickups to fix that. Other than that it does a > good job of pulling with just the single powered truck. > > I wonder if I could put metal wheels on both axles and some how insulate one side from the other? > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: R G > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 7:30 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] My new Baldwin "critter" is moving > > > > I did the same thing to one of my Baldwins and the performance is much improved to include increased pulling power and better operating speeds > > ________________________________ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66077	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 10/3/2011
Subject: Re: what time on thursday does the york meet open

If you are close, come over to our Open House on Wed. in Hanover harwood -----Original Message----- From: R G <keyhole_corona@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:35 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] what time on thursday does the york meet open I try to go both Thursday and Friday since it is impossible to see everything in one day. Fortunately I am only an hour away from York. PA, in Baltimore MD. so I can go home in the PM. ________________________________ From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] what time on thursday does the york meet open Starts at noon. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: butch8339 <butch8339@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:38 am Subject: [S-Trains] what time on thursday does the york meet open --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "johntech" <beebear@...> wrote: > > The only thing I can see that there will be a problem is running it through a switch. > When the pickups cross over the plastic part of the switch it will stop. > > It looks like I will have to rework the pickups to fix that. Other than that it does a > good job of pulling with just the single powered truck. > > I wonder if I could put metal wheels on both axles and some how insulate one side from the other? > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: R G > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 7:30 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] My new Baldwin "critter" is moving > > > > I did the same thing to one of my Baldwins and the performance is much improved to include increased pulling power and better operating speeds > > ________________________________ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66078	From: R G	Date: 10/3/2011
Subject: Re: what time on thursday does the york meet open

Got to work and would not be able to get over to Hanover on time.  Traffic going up 30 from Reistertown to Hanover is slow at best on work day afternoons and I work and live over on the east side of B-more so it would be after 7:00 pm before I could get there. ________________________________ From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] what time on thursday does the york meet open   If you are close, come over to our Open House on Wed. in Hanover harwood -----Original Message----- From: R G <keyhole_corona@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 9:35 am Subject: Re: [S-Trains] what time on thursday does the york meet open I try to go both Thursday and Friday since it is impossible to see everything in one day. Fortunately I am only an hour away from York. PA, in Baltimore MD. so I can go home in the PM. ________________________________ From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] what time on thursday does the york meet open Starts at noon. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: butch8339 <butch8339@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 3, 2011 8:38 am Subject: [S-Trains] what time on thursday does the york meet open --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "johntech" <beebear@...> wrote: > > The only thing I can see that there will be a problem is running it through a switch. > When the pickups cross over the plastic part of the switch it will stop. > > It looks like I will have to rework the pickups to fix that. Other than that it does a > good job of pulling with just the single powered truck. > > I wonder if I could put metal wheels on both axles and some how insulate one side from the other? > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: R G > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 7:30 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] My new Baldwin "critter" is moving > > > > I did the same thing to one of my Baldwins and the performance is much improved to include increased pulling power and better operating speeds > > ________________________________ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66079	From: R G	Date: 10/3/2011
Subject: Re: Building a Large Vintage American Flyer Layout

Hi Tim   Good to see you back.  Look forward to your progress this "season"   Major ________________________________ From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 9:28 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Building a Large Vintage American Flyer Layout   Fellow American Flyer Guys: It's "train season" again and I am active, after completing a lot of home improvement, garden and furniture building projects during the warm weather months. This year, I am adding a yard to my vintage Flyer layout. It will measure 4X8. To see my progress so far, you are invited to visit: http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66080	From: JOHN and CAROL	Date: 10/3/2011
Subject: Lookout Junction at Railshow 2011

Dear S-Trains Friends, It's a three-day weekend approaching (for some, anyway), so come on out to Idaho and visit Railshow 2011, sponsored by the Eagle Rock Railroad Historical Society in Idaho Falls. The Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers will be displaying the 550-square-foot Lookout Junction at our third train show in four months (that's a lot in this neck of the woods). Lots of fun and action, including RC helicopters flying over the layout. When: Saturday and Sunday, October 8-9 10 a.m.-5 p.m. Saturday 10 a.m.-2 p.m. Sunday Where: Idaho Falls Recreation Center 520 Memorial Drive Idaho Falls, Idaho (I-15, Exit 118) Hope to see our S friends from Wyoming, Montana, and Utah! And Connecticut! YourS, John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66081	From: Ray Puls	Date: 10/3/2011
Subject: Re: Kitbashing Guide Now Available

Mr. Stumpy & My Fly Trains, Thank you so much for the guide that you posted on the web site and made available to the people out here in the hobby. I can see a good amount of time and effort was expended to put this together and to get it posted. Great job. Thanks again, Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66082	From: barb	Date: 10/3/2011
Subject: Re: Digest Number 5427

Congrats, Stumpy, on the publication of your Kit bashing Guide!!! I know it will receive a lot of viewing.... Barb 3a. Kit Bashing Guide Available! Posted by: "mrstumpy50" mrstumpy@... mrstumpy50 Sat Oct 1, 2011 4:17 am (PDT) Thanks to the efforts of Chuck Harrington, "Kit Bashing American Flyer Steam Locomotives" is now posted on his expansive "My Flyer Trains" website at: myflyertrains.org The guide is 36 pages long, with a photo section at the end showing completed projects as examples of what can be done. And there's a Bonus Feature about the rebuilding of a very rough #310 K-5 loco that everyone else had written off. The guide gives tips on which locomotives you might want to modify, and the tricks I have learned to do that over my many years in the hobby. Along the way I tell a few brief stories and suggest tools and materials that I've found useful. You might be surprised at some of the items and how inexpensive they can be. Remember, I started building models back when a Quarter would buy you a gallon of gasoline! The guide is assembled with the idea that a beginner can start with some of the easier changes and work their way toward more involved models. Advanced model builders shouldn't expect too much as they are already beyond the scope of this missive, yet may find a few things of interest. Chuck has also invited me to contribute regular articles to "My Flyer Trains" under the heading of "Stumpy's Station" and will be posting the "East S Gauge Scratch Building" guide at some point in the future. He has given me the chance to "give back" to the hobby which I have enjoyed for so many years by passing along what I have learned and some ideas that may be of use to others. Enjoy... Terry "Stumpy" Stone Martins Ferry, OH. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 3b. Re: Kit Bashing Guide Available! Posted by: "Carey Probst" s-scale@... hcprobst Sat Oct 1, 2011 6:29 am (PDT) Are you still willing to send out hard copies or is a PDF file available? Given my workshop is not near my computer it would be nice to be able to have a copy to take with me. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 10/1/2011 7:14 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > > Thanks to the efforts of Chuck Harrington, "Kit Bashing American Flyer > Steam Locomotives" is now posted on his expansive "My Flyer Trains" > website at: myflyertrains.org > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) 3c. Re: Kit Bashing Guide Available! Posted by: "Don & Marsha Munsey Jr" dmunseyjr@... bigswede073 Sat Oct 1, 2011 10:23 am (PDT) STUMPY - FANTASTIC!!! THNX for the excellent read and thnx also to Chuck for hosting it!!! Don Munsey, Jr Living & Bashing Flyer in the UpperRightCorner of Louisiana, USA fmg On 10/1/2011 6:14 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > > Thanks to the efforts of Chuck Harrington, "Kit Bashing American Flyer > Steam Locomotives" is now posted on his expansive "My Flyer Trains" > website at: myflyertrains.org > The guide is 36 pages long, with a photo section at the end showing > completed projects as examples of what can be done. And there's a > Bonus Feature about the rebuilding of a very rough #310 K-5 loco that > everyone else had written off. > The guide gives tips on which locomotives you might want to modify, > and the tricks I have learned to do that over my many years in the > hobby. Along the way I tell a few brief stories and suggest tools and > materials that I've found useful. You might be surprised at some of > the items and how inexpensive they can be. Remember, I started > building models back when a Quarter would buy you a gallon of gasoline! > The guide is assembled with the idea that a beginner can start with > some of the easier changes and work their way toward more involved > models. Advanced model builders shouldn't expect too much as they are > already beyond the scope of this missive, yet may find a few things of > interest. > Chuck has also invited me to contribute regular articles to "My Flyer > Trains" under the heading of "Stumpy's Station" and will be posting > the "East S Gauge Scratch Building" guide at some point in the future. > He has given me the chance to "give back" to the hobby which I have > enjoyed for so many years by passing along what I have learned and > some ideas that may be of use to others. Enjoy... > Terry "Stumpy" Stone Martins Ferry, OH. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66083	From: Bob Moyer	Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: RC Heliocopter Car

To All: Good afternoon. I was wondering if anyone out there (that includes the King of kitbashers Stumpy Stone) has ever done a AF flatcar with one of those small indoor RC copters you see in Brookstone, toy stores etc. I got one that's close to AF scale (closer than the Lionel one is/was) and it fits great in the well of a depressed flatcar. It looks good maybe a tad high for a tunnel but not bad. Since I don't have any tunnels I'm not sweating it. Once I get the hang of flying it, I'll stop the train and fly it right off the flatcar. When I get good I'll fly it off with the train moving. Don't know about that one may have issue with the width of the track right of way. Anybody do this already? C'mon we all wanted a AF equivalent of the Lionel copter car. What's everyone think? I think flying one around the layout will be a hit. Regards Bob Moyer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66084	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: Re: S-Guage Wanted

If anyone knows where I can find an the Conrail Flat car with wheel load. Please let me know Thanks, Don in St.Pete. drmusic244@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66085	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: Re: RC Heliocopter Car

Hi Bob, Sort of. I have a couple of those things and a helicopter pad that came with a building. My thought was to wire up a switch and a power supply (push button) and have it sitting on a rooftop. So far, all thoughts and not much action on my end. They are pretty cool. When they get a little older and beat up (I have grandsons after all) they do not fly so well. But, they ought to last for a long time with blinking lights and whirling rotors once I get to it. Keep us posted. I agree about the size. Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 10/4/2011 12:55 PM, Bob Moyer wrote: > To All: > > Good afternoon. I was wondering if anyone out there (that includes the King > of kitbashers Stumpy Stone) has ever done a AF flatcar with one of those > small indoor RC copters you see in Brookstone, toy stores etc. I got one > that's close to AF scale (closer than the Lionel one is/was) and it fits > great in the well of a depressed flatcar. It looks good maybe a tad high for > a tunnel but not bad. Since I don't have any tunnels I'm not sweating it. > Once I get the hang of flying it, I'll stop the train and fly it right off > the flatcar. When I get good I'll fly it off with the train moving. Don't > know about that one may have issue with the width of the track right of way. > Anybody do this already? C'mon we all wanted a AF equivalent of the Lionel > copter car. What's everyone think? I think flying one around the layout will > be a hit. > > Regards > > Bob Moyer >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66086	From: Donald Keil	Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: Re: RC Heliocopter Car

I try it at the show we had last week and did not run it because mine has 4 blades two  on the top of two. Could not keep the blades together with out tying them down. Our tracks are on a three inch center line and they would swing out of control. I try to use two sided tape and it would keep the copters on the flat bed but too stick to fly them off. Will try to work on it some more. but it looks like the problem is to keep the copters on the flat bed and the rotor under control and still be able to fly and land. I could one of the two but not both in the first try. A show is not the place to try something new. Every one love it and wanted to try to fly it.  ________________________________ From: Bob Moyer <romoyer1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 12:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RC Heliocopter Car   To All: Good afternoon. I was wondering if anyone out there (that includes the King of kitbashers Stumpy Stone) has ever done a AF flatcar with one of those small indoor RC copters you see in Brookstone, toy stores etc. I got one that's close to AF scale (closer than the Lionel one is/was) and it fits great in the well of a depressed flatcar. It looks good maybe a tad high for a tunnel but not bad. Since I don't have any tunnels I'm not sweating it. Once I get the hang of flying it, I'll stop the train and fly it right off the flatcar. When I get good I'll fly it off with the train moving. Don't know about that one may have issue with the width of the track right of way. Anybody do this already? C'mon we all wanted a AF equivalent of the Lionel copter car. What's everyone think? I think flying one around the layout will be a hit. Regards Bob Moyer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66087	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: RC helicopter car

Bob, I think you're onto something here. It sounds like a good plan, with fitting through tunnels and truss bridges being the possible drawbacks for those with such civil engineering on their layouts. Gee, how about American Flyer "out-Lioneling" Lionel fifty years after the Gilbert version of AF died? I LIKE it! There is no replacement for Creativity! Good job, Bob! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66088	From: Dave	Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: 6 wheel tender truck side frames

We now have replacement side frames for the pre-1966 American Flyer 6 wheel tender trucks. These side frames (#SFHN92611-1 & #SFHN92611-2), unlike the original ones (part number PA8945) can be soldered onto the truck coupler tang assembly, not peened into place which could and does damage the exterior surface of the side frame. To view this new item please use the link below. http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66089	From: johntech	Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: 370 Diesel

I have a 370 diesel with a reverse unit that is dead. I would like to pull it out and put in a bridge rectifier so I can run it on DC. Does anyone have a wiring diagram? Thanks John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66090	From: Larry Asp	Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: Re: 370 Diesel

Go to Portlines Hobbys (google) - Doug has most of the wiring diagrams on his website. On 2011-10-04, at 5:05 PM, johntech wrote: > I have a 370 diesel with a reverse unit that is dead. > I would like to pull it out and put in a bridge rectifier > so I can run it on DC. Does anyone have a wiring diagram? > > Thanks > > John > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66091	From: johntech	Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: Re: 370 Diesel

Thanks Larry It turns out I had downloaded a diagram several years ago and forgot I had it. It's very simple: A bridge rectifier with one AC input line going to one set of pickups the other AC line goes in one brush and out the other brush to the other pickup The + and -- on the bridge rectifier goes to the windings Add DC to the track and off it goes! It works very nice!! John ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Asp To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 370 Diesel Go to Portlines Hobbys (google) - Doug has most of the wiring diagrams on his website. On 2011-10-04, at 5:05 PM, johntech wrote: > I have a 370 diesel with a reverse unit that is dead. > I would like to pull it out and put in a bridge rectifier > so I can run it on DC. Does anyone have a wiring diagram? > > Thanks > > John > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66092	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: Re: 370 Diesel

Why not put in a Dallee #400 E-unit and run it on either AC or DC? Very simple and effective. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 10/4/2011 4:20:15 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, larry.asp@... writes: Go to Portlines Hobbys (google) - Doug has most of the wiring diagrams on his website. On 2011-10-04, at 5:05 PM, johntech wrote: > I have a 370 diesel with a reverse unit that is dead. > I would like to pull it out and put in a bridge rectifier > so I can run it on DC. Does anyone have a wiring diagram? > > Thanks > > John > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at _http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo_ (http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Yahoo) ! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66093	From: Robert Graves	Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: Re: 370 Diesel

I can't find it on Doug's website.  Is it there? I'm not an electrical engineer so I confess my ignorance in this area.  I thought Flyer engines used a universal motor and would run on either AC or DC.  (In fact, we once got some wires crossed on our club layout and DC got on the mainline; the engine I had on the track took off like a shot!)  Why do you need to rewire the engine? ________________________________ From: johntech <beebear@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 370 Diesel   Thanks Larry It turns out I had downloaded a diagram several years ago and forgot I had it. It's very simple: A bridge rectifier with one AC input line going to one set of pickups the other AC line goes in one brush and out the other brush to the other pickup The + and -- on the bridge rectifier goes to the windings Add DC to the track and off it goes! It works very nice!! John ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Asp To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 370 Diesel Go to Portlines Hobbys (google) - Doug has most of the wiring diagrams on his website. On 2011-10-04, at 5:05 PM, johntech wrote: > I have a 370 diesel with a reverse unit that is dead. > I would like to pull it out and put in a bridge rectifier > so I can run it on DC. Does anyone have a wiring diagram? > > Thanks > > John > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66094	From: johntech	Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: Re: 370 Diesel

Steve I had thought about that but I just happened to have several bridge rectifiers on hand and all my NEW engines are all DC. I tried to get to your site via Google and it gave a message about the dangers of going to your site. I just typed in the URL directly and checked how you modified the 370 frame to run can motors. The old AC/DC motor still runs good. Can I buy the parts in a kit to convert over to a can motor? I have my own milling machine. Thanks John ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 370 Diesel Why not put in a Dallee #400 E-unit and run it on either AC or DC? Very simple and effective. Steve SnS Trains [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66095	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: Re: 370 Diesel

hi all: if any one knows tim boy, or has another email address for him, please pass onto him the following, att says his mailbox has been suspended, also the link listed below is broken, as all it does is freeze your system, then locks it --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <Timboy@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > In response to the gentleman concerning the 370 diesel: > I believe the 370 was really never designed to haul cars around a pike. I think it was designed to act as a push/pull yard switcher to stage cars for another loco to drag. With it's link bar, cars will uncouple swiftly at the designated remote uncoupler. > > Yet, IMHO, there is no reason why it couldn't be used as a mainline loco, given the following conditions: > > 1) Track must be laid to the most exacting standards. Think of laying Flyer track to the same standard as laying HO or N gauge track. > 2) The track must be laid flat - no dips or humps and with perfectly aligned rail joints. > 3) Link couplers must be in impeccable working condition. > > On my pike, I use a link 0-8-0 switcher in tandem with either an SIT Hudson or a link Challenger. I just simply put the link coupler over the bar of the switcher on front. There is no need to tie them together. They never separate. Here is a link for tips on making link couplers work flawlessly: > > http://home.att.net/~timboy/Linkfix.html > > Don't forget, when link couplers were produced and new from the factory, they were very smooth-working and reliable. They still can be after 50 some odd years. > > Hope this helps, > Tim Brown > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66096	From: george leidinger	Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: Re: RC Heliocopter Car

my "S" guage friend Right now!!!!! Hess Gas stations is selling a nice Helicopter for $7 seven dollars  get on --- On Tue, 10/4/11, Donald Keil <dlkeil@...> wrote: From: Donald Keil <dlkeil@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RC Heliocopter Car To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 2:55 PM   I try it at the show we had last week and did not run it because mine has 4 blades two  on the top of two. Could not keep the blades together with out tying them down. Our tracks are on a three inch center line and they would swing out of control. I try to use two sided tape and it would keep the copters on the flat bed but too stick to fly them off. Will try to work on it some more. but it looks like the problem is to keep the copters on the flat bed and the rotor under control and still be able to fly and land. I could one of the two but not both in the first try. A show is not the place to try something new. Every one love it and wanted to try to fly it.  ________________________________ From: Bob Moyer <romoyer1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 12:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RC Heliocopter Car   To All: Good afternoon. I was wondering if anyone out there (that includes the King of kitbashers Stumpy Stone) has ever done a AF flatcar with one of those small indoor RC copters you see in Brookstone, toy stores etc. I got one that's close to AF scale (closer than the Lionel one is/was) and it fits great in the well of a depressed flatcar. It looks good maybe a tad high for a tunnel but not bad. Since I don't have any tunnels I'm not sweating it. Once I get the hang of flying it, I'll stop the train and fly it right off the flatcar. When I get good I'll fly it off with the train moving. Don't know about that one may have issue with the width of the track right of way. Anybody do this already? C'mon we all wanted a AF equivalent of the Lionel copter car. What's everyone think? I think flying one around the layout will be a hit. Regards Bob Moyer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66097	From: johntech	Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: Re: 370 Diesel

Robert It is true that the universal motor will run on both AC and DC. With the bridge rectifier in place of the reverse unit you avoid the problematic intermittent drop-out of the solenoid when power is lost while running . You don't have to power on and off several times just to change direction. While running DC it is just a matter of switching the polarity to the track to change direction AND it is cheaper than the electronic circuit board option. $2-$3 vs $50 per engine. My future layout will be DC to start and then changed to DCC as time and money allows. Besides that I hate all that buzzing noise when running AC. Just my opinion John ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 370 Diesel I can't find it on Doug's website. Is it there? I'm not an electrical engineer so I confess my ignorance in this area. I thought Flyer engines used a universal motor and would run on either AC or DC. (In fact, we once got some wires crossed on our club layout and DC got on the mainline; the engine I had on the track took off like a shot!) Why do you need to rewire the engine? ________________________________ From: johntech <beebear@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 370 Diesel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66098	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: Re: 370 Diesel

"home.att.net" webpages were part of the personal web page hosting ATT used to offer to all ATT subscribers. That service has been gone for just about a year now, which is why the link no longer works. It is where I started my webpages, since moved to another host. Tim probably moved his stuff too. As to the email, the last post I saw from Tim had the following address: timstrains2000@... For some reason, I didn't get the post you quoted below. Dale On 10/4/2011 8:46 PM, clipper841@... wrote: > > hi all: > if any one knows tim boy, or has another email address for him, please > pass onto him > the following, att says his mailbox has been suspended, also the link > listed below is > broken, as all it does is freeze your system, then locks it > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Tim" <Timboy@...> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > In response to the gentleman concerning the 370 diesel: > > I believe the 370 was really never designed to haul cars around a > pike. I think it was designed to act as a push/pull yard switcher to > stage cars for another loco to drag. With it's link bar, cars will > uncouple swiftly at the designated remote uncoupler. > > > > Yet, IMHO, there is no reason why it couldn't be used as a mainline > loco, given the following conditions: > > > > 1) Track must be laid to the most exacting standards. Think of > laying Flyer track to the same standard as laying HO or N gauge track. > > 2) The track must be laid flat - no dips or humps and with perfectly > aligned rail joints. > > 3) Link couplers must be in impeccable working condition. > > > > On my pike, I use a link 0-8-0 switcher in tandem with either an SIT > Hudson or a link Challenger. I just simply put the link coupler over > the bar of the switcher on front. There is no need to tie them > together. They never separate. Here is a link for tips on making link > couplers work flawlessly: > > > > http://home.att.net/~timboy/Linkfix.html > <http://home.att.net/%7Etimboy/Linkfix.html> > > > > Don't forget, when link couplers were produced and new from the > factory, they were very smooth-working and reliable. They still can be > after 50 some odd years. > > > > Hope this helps, > > Tim Brown > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66099	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: 370 Geep Diesel et.al.

This just really can't be done in "kit" form. Each one requires a bit of custom work. Most of the Diesel frames need re-bushing and most of those need to be precision milled on a TNC mill to fit the bushings. A notch must also be cut in the frame to accommodate the rear of the motor (Geeps only), and it does no harm. Many of the worm (axle) gears need replacing and new axles as well. Most do, some don't. I will take photos of the next Geep job I do and put them on the web site. Too bad this didn't come up earlier as I just finished 4 Geeps on Saturday. As to the web site, there is no danger there. It is a Google issue for some reason. Our web host has verified there is no problem. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 10/5/2011 4:37:53 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, beebear@... writes: Steve I had thought about that but I just happened to have several bridge rectifiers on hand and all my NEW engines are all DC. I tried to get to your site via Google and it gave a message about the dangers of going to your site. I just typed in the URL directly and checked how you modified the 370 frame to run can motors. The old AC/DC motor still runs good. Can I buy the parts in a kit to convert over to a can motor? I have my own milling machine. Thanks John ----- Original Message ----- From: _boss31@..._ (mailto:boss31@...) To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 370 Diesel Why not put in a Dallee #400 E-unit and run it on either AC or DC? Very simple and effective. Steve SnS Trains [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66100	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: AF on DC -- Re: [S-Trains] 370 Diesel

----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves . . . . . . . . . I thought Flyer engines used a universal motor and would run on either AC or DC. . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > The principle is simple enough. You want to use a bridge rectifier (can be made of 4 diodes) to rectify the current going to the field winding. That means the current in the field winding always goes the same direction, in effect making it a permanent magnet. The current to the armature, via the brushes, should not be rectified but flow in the direction controlled by what you're putting to the track with your DC power pack. With this modification you can no longer run the loco on AC. What I can't remember is whether you want the field and armature in series or parallel. And for extra credit, with your bridge rectifier and maybe some more diodes you can get directional constant voltage headlights. Tom Hawley -- Lansing MI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66101	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: It was a good show, but - - - -

I see our Files still has a flyer for the 2007 train show in Indianapolis. Yahoo ought to have a feature that would allow one to set an automatic deletion date, so many days in the future, on posted files and photos. tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66102	From: piccu56	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Re: 370 Diesel

Tim Boy new Info: Timboy at comcast.net http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/ --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dale Smith <dfsmith26@...> wrote: > > "home.att.net" webpages were part of the personal web page hosting ATT > used to offer to all ATT subscribers. That service has been gone for > just about a year now, which is why the link no longer works. It is > where I started my webpages, since moved to another host. Tim probably > moved his stuff too. > > As to the email, the last post I saw from Tim had the following > address: timstrains2000@... > > For some reason, I didn't get the post you quoted below. > > Dale > > On 10/4/2011 8:46 PM, clipper841@... wrote: > > > > hi all: > > if any one knows tim boy, or has another email address for him, please > > pass onto him > > the following, att says his mailbox has been suspended, also the link > > listed below is > > broken, as all it does is freeze your system, then locks it > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Tim" <Timboy@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > In response to the gentleman concerning the 370 diesel: > > > I believe the 370 was really never designed to haul cars around a > > pike. I think it was designed to act as a push/pull yard switcher to > > stage cars for another loco to drag. With it's link bar, cars will > > uncouple swiftly at the designated remote uncoupler. > > > > > > Yet, IMHO, there is no reason why it couldn't be used as a mainline > > loco, given the following conditions: > > > > > > 1) Track must be laid to the most exacting standards. Think of > > laying Flyer track to the same standard as laying HO or N gauge track. > > > 2) The track must be laid flat - no dips or humps and with perfectly > > aligned rail joints. > > > 3) Link couplers must be in impeccable working condition. > > > > > > On my pike, I use a link 0-8-0 switcher in tandem with either an SIT > > Hudson or a link Challenger. I just simply put the link coupler over > > the bar of the switcher on front. There is no need to tie them > > together. They never separate. Here is a link for tips on making link > > couplers work flawlessly: > > > > > > http://home.att.net/~timboy/Linkfix.html > > <http://home.att.net/%7Etimboy/Linkfix.html> > > > > > > Don't forget, when link couplers were produced and new from the > > factory, they were very smooth-working and reliable. They still can be > > after 50 some odd years. > > > > > > Hope this helps, > > > Tim Brown > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66103	From: Alex_ai2q	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Reverse DC wiring article

Shown here: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/diagram/handcar_diode_hrm.htm Have fun. == Alex in Maine [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66104	From: Timboy	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Re: 370 Diesel

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, clipper841@... wrote: > > hi all: > if any one knows tim boy, or has another email address for him, please pass onto him > the following, att says his mailbox has been suspended, also the link listed below is > broken, as all it does is freeze your system, then locks it > Clipper: I believe you have referenced an old post with old contact info. To see my notes on link couplers, please visit: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/2011/01/linker-coupler-tips-and-tricks.html I can be contacted through email via this forum. For additional info, you are invited to visit my blog at: http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66105	From: Al Baker	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Loose Decals

Hi All, I just applied two decals and have a problem. There are unattached 'gaps' i.e. parts of the decal that did not attach. Is there any way to attach the parts of the decal that didn't attach? I used the process which has been successful for me many times in the past, which includes using Solvaset. Any help would be appreciated. Al Baker Portland

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66106	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: AC or DC motors

As several folks always point out, Gilbert did make a "universal" AC or DC motor. However, perfomance is lacking in this sixty year old product. Unless you require a piece to remain collectable, I have found that going to a DC can motor to be both easier to use and more efficient. Can motors run cooler, draw less juice, and don't require the problematic reverse unit. In my opinion (and I suspect Steve and other can motor users will agree) the old motors can't hold a candle to the can motors for simple and reliable operation. Proof of this is furthered by the fact that today train manufacturers use can motors. Again, let me stres that if you want to stick with the original, there is not one thing wrong with that! The old motors can be rebuilt and changes to the power system made to bring out their best performance. But if efficient, reliable operation is more important, I find DC can motors far better. If you want to run AC, use one of the electronic reverse units to keep operation reliable. Or go straight DC from a DC pack as I have. It all depends upon what YOU want from your trains! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66107	From: Timboy	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Re: AC or DC motors

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > As several folks always point out, Gilbert did make a "universal" AC or DC motor. However, perfomance is lacking in this sixty year old product. > Unless you require a piece to remain collectable, I have found that going to a DC can motor to be both easier to use and more efficient. Can motors run cooler, draw less juice, and don't require the problematic reverse unit. > In my opinion (and I suspect Steve and other can motor users will agree) the old motors can't hold a candle to the can motors for simple and reliable operation. Proof of this is furthered by the fact that today train manufacturers use can motors. > Again, let me stres that if you want to stick with the original, there is not one thing wrong with that! The old motors can be rebuilt and changes to the power system made to bring out their best performance. > But if efficient, reliable operation is more important, I find DC can motors far better. If you want to run AC, use one of the electronic reverse units to keep operation reliable. Or go straight DC from a DC pack as I have. > It all depends upon what YOU want from your trains! > Stumpy in Ahia > Gentlemen: Everything Stumpy said was true. However, because DC can motors DO operate more efficiently, I have found that when my steamers were equipped with them, they produced less smoke. This was because of the dramatically reduced voltage needed. I have read posts from guys who have compensated with diodes wired into the tender so that more track voltage is needed and therefore more voltage gets to the smoke box. But, for my particular needs, I simply disconnect the reverse unit and either run forward only - or insert a rectifier in the tender and one on the transformer if I want to run forward and reverse. I keep the open-frame motors well maintained and the voltage they require gives me excellent smoke. Of course, if one were to employ DCC, then can motors are a must and smoke production would not be an issue, due to full voltage supplied to the track at all times with a DCC system. I guess my main point is that for you to KNOW fully what you are getting into when you make any kind of modification. I always set up an experiment to test what I plan, before I go into full implementation with it. Everything I have learned that way is available to all on my blog - for what it's worth. http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy not Tim Boy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66108	From: R G	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Re: AC or DC motors

You are right.  I have a few of my flyer trains that have been converted and plan on picking up more can motor diesel power truck at York next week. I like running trains slowly but the original Flyer motors operate better at higher speeds.  But I probably won't change most of my Flyer and  only change  those that need it to operate reliably.  I have a lot of new stuff so I really don't need to convert the older equipment.  ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 12:33 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AC or DC motors   As several folks always point out, Gilbert did make a "universal" AC or DC motor. However, perfomance is lacking in this sixty year old product. Unless you require a piece to remain collectable, I have found that going to a DC can motor to be both easier to use and more efficient. Can motors run cooler, draw less juice, and don't require the problematic reverse unit. In my opinion (and I suspect Steve and other can motor users will agree) the old motors can't hold a candle to the can motors for simple and reliable operation. Proof of this is furthered by the fact that today train manufacturers use can motors. Again, let me stres that if you want to stick with the original, there is not one thing wrong with that! The old motors can be rebuilt and changes to the power system made to bring out their best performance. But if efficient, reliable operation is more important, I find DC can motors far better. If you want to run AC, use one of the electronic reverse units to keep operation reliable. Or go straight DC from a DC pack as I have. It all depends upon what YOU want from your trains! Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66109	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Re: Loose Decals

Hi All, I usually try applying a little more water with a brush and then blotting it. Let that dry and see what you have. I almost always use an application or two of Solvaset after the decals dry. It can help with danglers, but, water is safer for the first run at it. Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 10/6/2011 1:02 PM, Al Baker wrote: > Hi All, > > I just applied two decals and have a problem. There are unattached 'gaps' i.e. parts of the decal that did not attach. Is there any way to attach the parts of the decal that didn't attach? > > I used the process which has been successful for me many times in the past, which includes using Solvaset. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Al Baker > Portland > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66110	From: Carey Probst	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Re: AC or DC motors

Currently all my AF has been converted to DC and is packed away in boxes. I kept the reverse units to be put back in if needed to make original. When I actually have a layout I plan to convert them all to can motors and dcc of some sort but will keep the old motors to restore to original if needed. I do have some old junk boilers just sitting there waiting for me to figure out what to make with them. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 10/6/2011 12:33 PM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > > As several folks always point out, Gilbert did make a "universal" AC > or DC motor. However, perfomance is lacking in this sixty year old > product. > Unless you require a piece to remain collectable, I have found that > going to a DC can motor to be both easier to use and more efficient. > Can motors run cooler, draw less juice, and don't require the > problematic reverse unit. > In my opinion (and I suspect Steve and other can motor users will > agree) the old motors can't hold a candle to the can motors for simple > and reliable operation. Proof of this is furthered by the fact that > today train manufacturers use can motors. > Again, let me stres that if you want to stick with the original, there > is not one thing wrong with that! The old motors can be rebuilt and > changes to the power system made to bring out their best performance. > But if efficient, reliable operation is more important, I find DC can > motors far better. If you want to run AC, use one of the electronic > reverse units to keep operation reliable. Or go straight DC from a DC > pack as I have. > It all depends upon what YOU want from your trains! > Stumpy in Ahia > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66111	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Re: AC or DC motors

I suspect a couple of your assumptions.  Can motors are cheaper to make and use less materials, plus the fact that they are generally made in larger quantities not being retail make specific. That is why train makers use them.  I would say most categorically that they do not last as long. They are a disposable item and not easily repaired. You won't find one running in 60 years time like an old Flyer universal motor.  Certainly they run more efficiently, but only in Flyers case is the difference great in terms of reliability óf operation because of the very, very poor design of the Flyer reverser.  Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Thu, 06 Oct 2011 16:33:42 -0000 Subject:[S-Trains] AC or DC motors   As several folks always point out, Gilbert did make a "universal" AC or DC motor. However, perfomance is lacking in this sixty year old product. Unless you require a piece to remain collectable, I have found that going to a DC can motor to be both easier to use and more efficient. Can motors run cooler, draw less juice, and don't require the problematic reverse unit. In my opinion (and I suspect Steve and other can motor users will agree) the old motors can't hold a candle to the can motors for simple and reliable operation. Proof of this is furthered by the fact that today train manufacturers use can motors. Again, let me stres that if you want to stick with the original, there is not one thing wrong with that! The old motors can be rebuilt and changes to the power system made to bring out their best performance But if efficient, reliable operation is more important, I find DC can motors far better. If you want to run AC, use one of the electronic reverse units to keep operation reliable. Or go straight DC from a DC pack as I have. It all depends upon what YOU want from your trains! Stumpy in Ahia ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:mrstumpy@...?subject=Re%3A%20AC%20or%20DC%20motors [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20AC%20or%20DC%20motors [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvMmI0bnRkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NjEwNgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTc5MjE5Njk-?act=reply&messageNum=66106 [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjcm42ZHVqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTc5MjE5Njk- [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/66106;_ylc=X3oDMTM0bGp1ZGdqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NjEwNgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTc5MjE5NjkEdHBjSWQDNjYxMDY- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkb2lpczk4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzE3OTIxOTY5?o=6 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkM2RtdDRuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzE3OTIxOTY5 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/polls;_ylc=X3oDMTJlamFwdXZqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cG9sbHMEc3RpbWUDMTMxNzkyMTk2OQ-- [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJja2QxODdhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMTc5MjE5Njk- [10] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ [11] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15okkfapp/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1317929170/L=481a0c6a-f040-11e0-bc47-0b1375a6edee/B=w89WBmKJiVc-/J=1317921970041447/K=oWOJyA.QnEREJAiR52rwsg/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj [12] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiMHBxYnN1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMxNzkyMTk2OQ-- [13] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [14] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [15] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [16] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66112	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Re: Loose Decals

Al,      Did you put the solvaset under the decal? Dave   --- On Thu, 10/6/11, Al Baker <albaker33@...> wrote: From: Al Baker <albaker33@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Loose Decals To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 6, 2011, 1:02 PM   Hi All, I just applied two decals and have a problem. There are unattached 'gaps' i.e. parts of the decal that did not attach. Is there any way to attach the parts of the decal that didn't attach? I used the process which has been successful for me many times in the past, which includes using Solvaset. Any help would be appreciated. Al Baker Portland [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66113	From: johntech	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Re: AC or DC motors

I agree with you Stumpy!! I put a can motor from SNS in my little Baldwin Critter and it runs great and pulls like crazy on DC Using a pulsed power supply with the momentum turned on it will creep along the track verrry slowly. Almost like running DCC. I also converted my 370 diesel over to DC by replacing the reverse unit with a bridge rectifier. It runs but not as well asif it had a can motor. No more "buzzzz click buzzzz click buzzzz click" AH finally it reverses John ----- Original Message ----- From: mrstumpy50 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 12:33 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AC or DC motors As several folks always point out, Gilbert did make a "universal" AC or DC motor. However, perfomance is lacking in this sixty year old product. Unless you require a piece to remain collectable, I have found that going to a DC can motor to be both easier to use and more efficient. Can motors run cooler, draw less juice, and don't require the problematic reverse unit. In my opinion (and I suspect Steve and other can motor users will agree) the old motors can't hold a candle to the can motors for simple and reliable operation. Proof of this is furthered by the fact that today train manufacturers use can motors. Again, let me stres that if you want to stick with the original, there is not one thing wrong with that! The old motors can be rebuilt and changes to the power system made to bring out their best performance. But if efficient, reliable operation is more important, I find DC can motors far better. If you want to run AC, use one of the electronic reverse units to keep operation reliable. Or go straight DC from a DC pack as I have. It all depends upon what YOU want from your trains! Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66114	From: johntech	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Old beater Baldwins

Does anyone have any non working Baldwins they would like to trade or sell I am looking for the insulated rubber wheels on the trucks. Doug Peck said he has them but I thought I would ask here first. Thanks john [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66115	From: Al Baker	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Re: Loose Decals

Dave, I have the surface moistened with water, slide the decal off and on to the surface, position it, and blot. Then I apply Solvaset, let it sit a bit, and blot. I have successfully applied many decals using that procedure. Al --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > > Al, >      Did you put the solvaset under the decal? > Dave >   > > > --- On Thu, 10/6/11, Al Baker <albaker33@...> wrote: > > > From: Al Baker <albaker33@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Loose Decals > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, October 6, 2011, 1:02 PM > > > >   > > > > Hi All, > > I just applied two decals and have a problem. There are unattached 'gaps' i.e. parts of the decal that did not attach. Is there any way to attach the parts of the decal that didn't attach? > > I used the process which has been successful for me many times in the past, which includes using Solvaset. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Al Baker > Portland > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66116	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Re: Loose Decals

Al,      Our instructions that we furnish with each decal order plainly states to put the solvaset under the decal. The reason for this step with our decals as opposed to other mfg's. decals are that our decals actually have a clear coating over the decal surface thus making them impervious to the Silvester unless it is applied first. Then the decal softens and adheres to the surface much better it also softens the decal film allowing it to form around rivets and uneven surfaces.      Thank you for the many decal orders you have favored us with in the past. Have a GREAT WEEK END. Dave   --- On Thu, 10/6/11, Al Baker <albaker33@...> wrote: From: Al Baker <albaker33@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Loose Decals To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 6, 2011, 3:39 PM   Dave, I have the surface moistened with water, slide the decal off and on to the surface, position it, and blot. Then I apply Solvaset, let it sit a bit, and blot. I have successfully applied many decals using that procedure. Al --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > > Al, >      Did you put the solvaset under the decal? > Dave >   > > > --- On Thu, 10/6/11, Al Baker <albaker33@...> wrote: > > > From: Al Baker <albaker33@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Loose Decals > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, October 6, 2011, 1:02 PM > > > >   > > > > Hi All, > > I just applied two decals and have a problem. There are unattached 'gaps' i.e. parts of the decal that did not attach. Is there any way to attach the parts of the decal that didn't attach? > > I used the process which has been successful for me many times in the past, which includes using Solvaset. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Al Baker > Portland > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66117	From: Jack Nowosielski	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: question

Does anyone know if Tom Seccia is still in business? Sent him a check and order and haven't heard d idly from him. But the check was cashed. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66118	From: Al Baker	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Re: Loose Decals

Dave, You are certainly correct regarding what your instructions say, and I will follow them from now on, and not my old ways. The good news is that I got it fixed! I punctured the decal several places with a razor blade point, then worked in some Solvaset and presto! It worked! The decals did come from Dave, and they look great! Thanks Dave and others that responded. Al --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > > Al, >      Our instructions that we furnish with each decal order plainly states to put the solvaset under the decal. The reason for this step with our decals as opposed to other mfg's. decals are that our decals actually have a clear coating over the decal surface thus making them impervious to the Silvester unless it is applied first. Then the decal softens and adheres to the surface much better it also softens the decal film allowing it to form around rivets and uneven surfaces. >      Thank you for the many decal orders you have favored us with in the past. Have a GREAT WEEK END. > Dave >   > > > --- On Thu, 10/6/11, Al Baker <albaker33@...> wrote: > > > From: Al Baker <albaker33@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Loose Decals > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, October 6, 2011, 3:39 PM > > > >   > > > > Dave, > I have the surface moistened with water, slide the decal off and on to the surface, position it, and blot. Then I apply Solvaset, let it sit a bit, and blot. I have successfully applied many decals using that procedure. > Al > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@> wrote: > > > > Al, > >      Did you put the solvaset under the decal? > > Dave > >   > > > > > > --- On Thu, 10/6/11, Al Baker <albaker33@> wrote: > > > > > > From: Al Baker <albaker33@> > > Subject: [S-Trains] Loose Decals > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thursday, October 6, 2011, 1:02 PM > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > I just applied two decals and have a problem. There are unattached 'gaps' i.e. parts of the decal that did not attach. Is there any way to attach the parts of the decal that didn't attach? > > > > I used the process which has been successful for me many times in the past, which includes using Solvaset. > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > > Al Baker > > Portland > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66119	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/6/2011
Subject: Re: question

He sure is...... In a message dated 10/6/2011 6:04:26 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, nowofinance@... writes: Does anyone know if Tom Seccia is still in business? Sent him a check and order and haven't heard d idly from him. But the check was cashed. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66120	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 10/7/2011
Subject: Re: question

Wow. This is kind of like a Joe Pesci/Goodfellows bar scene moment. I would suggest you email him at his business email address. Tom is a reputable man with a reputable business. I would suggest you contact him personally via email or by phone. Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. TCA 81-16572 From: Jack Nowosielski Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 4:38 PM To: s-trains Subject: [S-Trains] question Does anyone know if Tom Seccia is still in business? Sent him a check and order and haven't heard d idly from him. But the check was cashed. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66121	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 10/7/2011
Subject: Re: question

Hi Jack Toms e mail is seccia@... he also is listed under triple s supplys, I also think he just moved so things maybe a little slow in getting out. Thanks stan ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] question He sure is...... In a message dated 10/6/2011 6:04:26 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, nowofinance@... writes: Does anyone know if Tom Seccia is still in business? Sent him a check and order and haven't heard d idly from him. But the check was cashed. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66122	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/7/2011
Subject: Re: question

Hi Jack, � I'm still in business.  I just recently moved to another location.   I did receive your order and I'll refund it. I hurt my back during the move and I'm not sure when I'll have the boxes. Sorry for the bad communications. Tom ________________________________ From: Jack Nowosielski <nowofinance@...> To: s-trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 7:38 PM Subject: [S-Trains] question   Does anyone know if Tom Seccia is still in business? Sent him a check and order and haven't heard d idly from him. But the check was cashed. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66123	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/7/2011
Subject: Re: question

Thanks Steve ________________________________ From: "boss31@..." <boss31@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] question   He sure is...... In a message dated 10/6/2011 6:04:26 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, nowofinance@... writes: Does anyone know if Tom Seccia is still in business? Sent him a check and order and haven't heard d idly from him. But the check was cashed. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66124	From: Bob	Date: 10/7/2011
Subject: New Product Announcement: 1:64 Modeling Guide e-Feature Articles Now

Good afternoon. I am pleased to announce that the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine e-Feature articles are now available! 4 articles comprise the initial roll-out, each with color photos (including some not originally published in the magazine) and, where appropriate, a full materials list with links to manufacturers and suppliers. This product line will feature both original and re-issued feature articles from the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine. Additional articles will be added to the offering in the near future. The price structure for each e-Feature is: $1.99 for 4-5 pages; $2.49 for 6-7 pages; $2.99 for 8-10 pages. All articles are in PDF format. To read a synopsis of each article and to order your copy, visit www.1-64ModelingGuide.com and click on the "e-Features" button on the Home Page. Bob Nalbone Editor & Publisher 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine RLN Publishing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66125	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/7/2011
Subject: Re: question

Thanks Bruce ________________________________ From: "Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr." <goatfarm@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 7, 2011 3:57 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] question   Wow. This is kind of like a Joe Pesci/Goodfellows bar scene moment. I would suggest you email him at his business email address. Tom is a reputable man with a reputable business. I would suggest you contact him personally via email or by phone. Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. TCA 81-16572 From: Jack Nowosielski Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 4:38 PM To: s-trains Subject: [S-Trains] question Does anyone know if Tom Seccia is still in business? Sent him a check and order and haven't heard d idly from him. But the check was cashed. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66126	From: jtkeating	Date: 10/7/2011
Subject: AF Corvette Parts

Hello Group, Do you know of any supplier for missing/broken parts for the AF Corvette; specifically windshields and mirrors? Thanks in advance. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66127	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2011
Subject: Re: AF Corvette Parts

Hobby Surplus Sales in Conn. In a message dated 10/7/2011 5:29:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, john_keating@... writes: Hello Group, Do you know of any supplier for missing/broken parts for the AF Corvette; specifically windshields and mirrors? Thanks in advance. John Keating ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66128	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 10/7/2011
Subject: Re: AF Corvette Parts

They'll sell you the whole complete car for around $100. Bruce From: WJJIM@... Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 3:01 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Corvette Parts Hobby Surplus Sales in Conn. In a message dated 10/7/2011 5:29:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, john_keating@... writes: Hello Group, Do you know of any supplier for missing/broken parts for the AF Corvette; specifically windshields and mirrors? Thanks in advance. John Keating ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66129	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 10/7/2011
Subject: Re: AF Corvette Parts

Hi John I just talked to steve amato who is one of the owners of Hobby Surplus, they have what he called tree parts will know better on sat when i pick them up and the price. if you wish i can e mail you the infromation thanks stan ----- Original Message ----- From: jtkeating To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 5:23 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF Corvette Parts Hello Group, Do you know of any supplier for missing/broken parts for the AF Corvette; specifically windshields and mirrors? Thanks in advance. John Keating [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66130	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/7/2011
Subject: Re: MADE IN AMERICA

_On The Right Track | KDRV_ (http://kdrv.com/news/local/226703) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66131	From: rapidrail1	Date: 10/8/2011
Subject: Re: MADE IN AMERICA

Yep. I have their HO stuff. If they made S, I would by that too. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > _On The Right Track | KDRV_ (http://kdrv.com/news/local/226703) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66132	From: bcgsteam	Date: 10/8/2011
Subject: Modeling the Buffalo Creek & Gauley in "S" Book

For those who might be interested, I have just released a new book on my Buffalo Creek and Gauley "S" gauge model railroad. The 8 1/2" x 11" full-color, soft-cover book describes how I captured the character of the prototype's rolling stock, structures, towns and operations. It includes over 40 new color photos of the layout. For more information go to www.buffalocreekandgauley.com. On the home page there is a description of the book and information on how to order. If you have questions, contact me off line via Yahoo or at the email address indicated on the website.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66133	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/8/2011
Subject: Made in America

I, too, have used Kadee Quality Products for many years. Rolling stock in HO and N scale, couplers in HO and On30 scales. They are the defacto "standard" coupler in HO scale instead of the ugly and poorly functioning old NMRA X2f "horn hook." No, Kadee products are not "big box store" cheap, just the best there is. And as we're learning in On30, Bachmann Trains from China are not cheap either. Like most of us in the "Rust Belt," of upper Appalachia, I'd like to see more things made in America. The place to start may just be following the example of small companies like Kadee. And with the Dollar being rapidly devalued by over printing, bringing manufacturing back to this country may be our best bet in the near future. Kudos to Kadee! Stumpy in rusty Eastern Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66134	From: Brady	Date: 10/8/2011
Subject: The Nickel Plate Story

My favorite RR promotional film.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtnUnKZP_8A Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66135	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America

This might be a good time for anyone that "Makes" "S" cars in China to look into Kadee to start making their cars. It's worth a try anyway. China is starting to demand more & more. They seem to feel they are the only game in town. Mike In a message dated 10/8/2011 10:34:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mrstumpy@... writes: I, too, have used Kadee Quality Products for many years. Rolling stock in HO and N scale, couplers in HO and On30 scales. They are the defacto "standard" coupler in HO scale instead of the ugly and poorly functioning old NMRA X2f "horn hook." No, Kadee products are not "big box store" cheap, just the best there is. And as we're learning in On30, Bachmann Trains from China are not cheap either. Like most of us in the "Rust Belt," of upper Appalachia, I'd like to see more things made in America. The place to start may just be following the example of small companies like Kadee. And with the Dollar being rapidly devalued by over printing, bringing manufacturing back to this country may be our best bet in the near future. Kudos to Kadee! Stumpy in rusty Eastern Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66136	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/8/2011
Subject: Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail

All, I made the fatal mistake of giving Big L another chance. I bought the reversing hand car today, brought it home, put it on the layout and .... it only runs in one direction. The reversing rod does not trip the mechanism. Why do I keep giving this sorry Big L crap a try? We all know the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results. I continue to get the same results from every Big L purchase - another piece of crap that fails right out of the box! And all you guys who come running to Big L's defense can forget about it this time - I'm not listening anymore. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66137	From: johntech	Date: 10/8/2011
Subject: Local Area Trains Shows for 2011 & 2012 In and around Ohio

Trains, Trains and more TrainsTrains, Trains and more Trains Here is a list of train shows and events I picked up at the train show in Cleveland, OH 2011 Train Shows & Events Rail Fanning Day Sunday, October 9, 2011 10:00am to 5:00 pm The Painesville Depot, 475 Railroad St., Painesville, OH www.painesvilledepot.org Train & Toy Show October 29, 2011 10:00 am to 4:00 pm Old Eli's , 2772 Simons Dr. NW, Sugarcreek, OH Train-O-Rama October 30, 2011 10:00am to 4:00 pm Costick Community Center, 28600 11 Mile Rd, Farmington Hills, MI www.redfordmodelrailroadclub.com Cincinnati Model Train Show Saturday, October 29, 2011 11:00 am to 5:00 pm Sunday, October 29, 2011 11:00 am to 5:00 pm Lakota West High School, 8940 Union Central Centre Blvd., West Chester, OH www.cincy-div7.org North Central Region 2011 Annual Convention November 3 to 6 2011 Ramada, 7501 W.Saginaw Hwy., Lancing MI www.lansinglegacies2011.org Erie Pa Railroadinia and Model Train Show Sunday, November 6, 2011 10:00 to 4:00 pm Rainbow Gardens - Waldameer Park For more info: Carl Amidon, camidon987@... Division 1 Model Railroad Flea Market (older, used or excess equipment) Sunday, November 6, 2011 11:00 am to 4:00pm The Akron Yacht Club, 3575 South Main St., Akron, OH 2011 Train Shows & Events Dayton Train Show (all gauge show) Saturday November 5, 2011 11:00 am to 5:00 pm Sunday November 6, 2011 11:00 am to 4:00 pm Hare Arena, 1001 Shiloh Springs Rd. Dayton, OH www.daytontrainshow.com Diecast Collectible Toy Show Saturday, November 12, 2011 9:00 am to 2:00 pm Lakeland Community College, Athletic & Fitness Center, 7700 Clocktower Dr.,Kirtland,OH www.cleveshows.com Greater Wayne County Train and Toy Show Sunday, November 13, 2011 10:00 am to 4:00pm Buckeye Event Center, 624 Henry St. Dalton, OH www.cjtrains.com Train and Toy Show Sunday, November 13, 2011 10:00 am-3:00pm EHOVE Career Center, 316 West Mason Rd., Milan, OH www.norwalkandwesternrr.com Lansing Model Railroad Club Show & Sale Sunday, November 20, 2011 10:00 am to 4:00 pm Michigan State University Pavilion, East Lancing, MI (corner of Forest Rd and Farm Lane) www.lmrc.org Train Show (all gauges) Saturday, November 26, 2011 11:00 am to 3:00 pm Frecker Arena, 620 W. Lincoln Hwy., New Haven IN Model Train and Railroad Artifacts Show and Sales Saturday, December 3, 2011 11:00 am to 4:00 pm Marion Union Station Assn. 532 West Center St. Marion, OH For more info: redcaboose@... Springfield Model Train Show Sunday, December 4, 2011 11:00 am to 4:00 pm Clark County Fairgrounds, Springfield, OH 2011 Train Shows & Events Christmas Train and Toy Show Sunday, December 11, 2011 10:00 am to 3:30 pm Lakeland Community College, Athletic & Fitness Center, 7700 Clocktower Dr.,Kirtland,OH www.cleveshows.com Massillon Train & Toy Show Sunday, December 11, 2011 10:00 am to 3:00 pm Massillon Knights of Columbus Hall, 988 Cherry Road NW, Massillon, OH Train Town Show & Meet Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:00 am to 3:00 pm Allen County Fairgrounds, ST. RT. 309 East, Lima, OH 2012 Train Shows & Events Toy Train and Model Railroad Flea Market Sunday, January 8, 2012 10:00 am to 3:30 pm Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:00 am to 3:30 pm McMenamy's Banquet Hall, 325 Youngstown-Warren Rd., Niles, OH www.ymra.org Snowshoe Train Show (all gauge show) Saturday, January 7, 2012 10:00 am to 3:00 pm UAW Hall, 5615 Chevrolet Blvd., Parma OH www.cvsga.com Railfest 2012 Saturday, March 17, 2012 10:00 am to 4:00 pm Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:00 am to 4:00 pm Lakeland Community College, 7700 Clocktower Dr.,Kirtland,OH www.railfest.org Model Train Show & Swap Meet (Norwalk & Western eastern division) Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:00am to 3:00 pm German's Villa, 3330 Liberty Avenue, Vermillion, OH www.norwalkandwesternrr.com Springfield Model Train Show Sunday, April 1, 2012 11:00 am to 4:00 pm Clark County Fairgrounds, Springfield, OH 2012 Train Shows & Events Decatur Train Fair April 21, 2012 10:00 am to 4:00 pm April 22, 2012 11:00 am to 4:00 pm Decatur Civic Center, Decatur, IL www.decaturciviccenter.org Bucyrus MRA Train Show &Swap Meet Saturday, April 14, 2012 10:00am to 4:00 pm Crawford County Fairgrounds, Whetstone St., Bucyrus, OH Firelands Model Train & Toy Show Sunday, April 29, 2012 10:00 am to 4:00 pm Erie County Fairgrounds, 3110 Columbus Ave., Sandusky, OH www.fsomr.com Model Railroad Show & Swap Saturday, July 14, 2012 10:00 am to 4:00 pm Sunday, July 15, 2012 11:00 am to 3:00 pm Van Wert County Fairgrounds, 1055 S. Washington St, Van Wert, OH Firelands Model Train & Toy Show Sunday, September 30, 2012 10:00 am to 4:00 pm Erie County Fairgrounds, 3110 Columbus Ave., Sandusky, OH www.fsomr.com PTHS Northeast Ohio Historic Passenger Railroad Conference November 9 - 11, 2012 For more information: Website: www.PTHSonline.org and www.trainweb.org/pths Contact: info@... or PTHSconference@... Model Train Open House Presented by the Youngstown Model Railroad Assn. November 5 - 6 and 12-13 12:00pm to 6:00 pm December 3 - 4 12:00pm to 6:00pm Corner of Raccoon Rd and Four-Mile Run Rd, Austintown, OH www.ymra.org Springfield Model Train Show Sunday, December 2, 2012 11:00 am to 4:00 pm Clark County Fairgrounds, Springfield, OH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66138	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 10/8/2011
Subject: Re: Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail

The worst part is that Lionel doesn't seem to give a fat rat's patoot Bob Sent from my iPod On Oct 8, 2011, at 5:26 PM, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > All, > > I made the fatal mistake of giving Big L another chance. I bought the reversing hand car today, brought it home, put it on the layout and .... it only runs in one direction. The reversing rod does not trip the mechanism. Why do I keep giving this sorry Big L crap a try? We all know the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results. I continue to get the same results from every Big L purchase - another piece of crap that fails right out of the box! And all you guys who come running to Big L's defense can forget about it this time - I'm not listening anymore. > > BG1 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66139	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/8/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/9/2011, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 66140	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/8/2011
Subject: Big L Fail - What to do?

I guess I have several options for what to do with this final piece of crap from Big L: 1. Use it for batting practice. 2. Run over it with my truck. 3. Drop in it liquid nitrogen then hit it with a hammer. 4. Drop it out the car window at 80 mph on I-10. 5. Gather it together with all my other Big L crap and make a boneyard on my layout - no - the layout's not that big. 6. Send it to Big L so quality control can ok it for resell. 7. Take it to the service center and get it repaired - pay twice just to get it running right. 8. Box it up and stick it in a pile with my other Big L crap and place the pile where I can see it so I never make the mistake of buying their crap again. 9. Photo all this crap, print it on a T-shirt and wear it to all future train shows to ensure I never buy Big L again. Suggestions? BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66141	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 10/8/2011
Subject: Re: Big L Fail - What to do?

Yup. Box it all up, let me know how much the shipping cost will be, wait for my check, cash the check and then send it all to me. Really.- John Marganski ________________________________   I guess I have several options for what to do with this final piece of crap from Big L: Suggestions? BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66142	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 10/8/2011
Subject: Re: Big L Fail - What to do?

I like #9. That shirt should go over real big at the Lionel booth at York Sent from my iPod On Oct 8, 2011, at 8:05 PM, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > I guess I have several options for what to do with this final piece of crap from Big L: > > 1. Use it for batting practice. > 2. Run over it with my truck. > 3. Drop in it liquid nitrogen then hit it with a hammer. > 4. Drop it out the car window at 80 mph on I-10. > 5. Gather it together with all my other Big L crap and make a boneyard on my layout - no - the layout's not that big. > 6. Send it to Big L so quality control can ok it for resell. > 7. Take it to the service center and get it repaired - pay twice just to get it running right. > 8. Box it up and stick it in a pile with my other Big L crap and place the pile where I can see it so I never make the mistake of buying their crap again. > 9. Photo all this crap, print it on a T-shirt and wear it to all future train shows to ensure I never buy Big L again. > > Suggestions? > > BG1 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66143	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/8/2011
Subject: Re: Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail

DAVID!!!!!!! WHY!!!!!???????? End of story. Just kidding with you, but stop throwing money at them. Please write on the blackboard a 100 times, “I will not buy anything from Lionel anymore”. Mike From: bull_gator_1 Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 5:26 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail All, I made the fatal mistake of giving Big L another chance. I bought the reversing hand car today, brought it home, put it on the layout and .... it only runs in one direction. The reversing rod does not trip the mechanism. Why do I keep giving this sorry Big L crap a try? We all know the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results. I continue to get the same results from every Big L purchase - another piece of crap that fails right out of the box! And all you guys who come running to Big L's defense can forget about it this time - I'm not listening anymore. BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66144	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/8/2011
Subject: Re: Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail

Mike, I can't explain it - I fell off the wagon again - lol. The good thing is I won't have to modify the layout to add a siding for the handcar shed! David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > DAVID!!!!!!! > > WHY!!!!!???????? > > End of story. > > Just kidding with you, but stop throwing money at them. > > Please write on the blackboard a 100 times, “I will not buy anything from Lionel anymore”. > > Mike > > From: bull_gator_1 > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 5:26 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail > > > All, > > I made the fatal mistake of giving Big L another chance. I bought the reversing hand car today, brought it home, put it on the layout and .... it only runs in one direction. The reversing rod does not trip the mechanism. Why do I keep giving this sorry Big L crap a try? We all know the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results. I continue to get the same results from every Big L purchase - another piece of crap that fails right out of the box! And all you guys who come running to Big L's defense can forget about it this time - I'm not listening anymore. > > BG1 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66145	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail

Send an empty box back to "L" repairs. When they claim you are trying to defraud them, claim they started it. Mike in Ore In a message dated 10/8/2011 6:56:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: Mike, I can't explain it - I fell off the wagon again - lol. The good thing is I won't have to modify the layout to add a siding for the handcar shed! David --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > DAVID!!!!!!! > > WHY!!!!!???????? > > End of story. > > Just kidding with you, but stop throwing money at them. > > Please write on the blackboard a 100 times, “I will not buy anything from Lionel anymore”. > > Mike > > From: bull_gator_1 > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 5:26 PM > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > Subject: [S-Trains] Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail > > > All, > > I made the fatal mistake of giving Big L another chance. I bought the reversing hand car today, brought it home, put it on the layout and .... it only runs in one direction. The reversing rod does not trip the mechanism. Why do I keep giving this sorry Big L crap a try? We all know the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results. I continue to get the same results from every Big L purchase - another piece of crap that fails right out of the box! And all you guys who come running to Big L's defense can forget about it this time - I'm not listening anymore. > > BG1 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66146	From: rapidrail1	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America

I was thinking that first time, but hesitated to say it. But I DO agree. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > This might be a good time for anyone that "Makes" "S" cars in China to look > into Kadee to start making their cars. It's worth a try anyway. China is > starting to demand more & more. They seem to feel they are the only game in > town. Mike > > > In a message dated 10/8/2011 10:34:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > mrstumpy@... writes: > > > > > I, too, have used Kadee Quality Products for many years. Rolling stock in > HO and N scale, couplers in HO and On30 scales. They are the defacto > "standard" coupler in HO scale instead of the ugly and poorly functioning old > NMRA X2f "horn hook." No, Kadee products are not "big box store" cheap, just > the best there is. And as we're learning in On30, Bachmann Trains from China > are not cheap either. > Like most of us in the "Rust Belt," of upper Appalachia, I'd like to see > more things made in America. The place to start may just be following the > example of small companies like Kadee. And with the Dollar being rapidly > devalued by over printing, bringing manufacturing back to this country may be > our best bet in the near future. > Kudos to Kadee! > Stumpy in rusty Eastern Ahia > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66147	From: rapidrail1	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Big L Fail - What to do?

I like #9 also. How much will the shirt sell for? While I've not had that much problems with L stuff, I like the idea of putting money back in the hands of manufactures who support their neighbors in their hometown rather than slaves in another country. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bob Hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> wrote: > > I like #9. That shirt should go over real big at the Lionel booth at York > > Sent from my iPod > > On Oct 8, 2011, at 8:05 PM, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > > I guess I have several options for what to do with this final piece of crap from Big L: > > > > 1. Use it for batting practice. > > 2. Run over it with my truck. > > 3. Drop in it liquid nitrogen then hit it with a hammer. > > 4. Drop it out the car window at 80 mph on I-10. > > 5. Gather it together with all my other Big L crap and make a boneyard on my layout - no - the layout's not that big. > > 6. Send it to Big L so quality control can ok it for resell. > > 7. Take it to the service center and get it repaired - pay twice just to get it running right. > > 8. Box it up and stick it in a pile with my other Big L crap and place the pile where I can see it so I never make the mistake of buying their crap again. > > 9. Photo all this crap, print it on a T-shirt and wear it to all future train shows to ensure I never buy Big L again. > > > > Suggestions? > > > > BG1 > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66148	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail

David, You need to join LTBA. Lionel Trains Buyer Anonymous. You all could wear those Groucho Marx nose and mustaches. Take two hand cars and call your doctor in the morning. Mike From: bull_gator_1 Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 9:48 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail Mike, I can't explain it - I fell off the wagon again - lol. The good thing is I won't have to modify the layout to add a siding for the handcar shed! David --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > DAVID!!!!!!! > > WHY!!!!!???????? > > End of story. > > Just kidding with you, but stop throwing money at them. > > Please write on the blackboard a 100 times, “I will not buy anything from Lionel anymore”. > > Mike > > From: bull_gator_1 > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 5:26 PM > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail > > > All, > > I made the fatal mistake of giving Big L another chance. I bought the reversing hand car today, brought it home, put it on the layout and .... it only runs in one direction. The reversing rod does not trip the mechanism. Why do I keep giving this sorry Big L crap a try? We all know the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results. I continue to get the same results from every Big L purchase - another piece of crap that fails right out of the box! And all you guys who come running to Big L's defense can forget about it this time - I'm not listening anymore. > > BG1 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66149	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Big L Fail - Switching from Human to Vulcan Mode

Hi All, The logical engineer in me has taken control of the emotional dis-satisfied consumer in me so rather than complain or send any more $$$ to Big L I guess I'll take this piece of crap handcar apart and fix it myself. Does anyone know how to remove the pin attaching the handle bar to the push rod? It looks to be a small diameter plastic pin press fit into the handle bar. I've tried pushing it through, but it will not budge. Before I get the out the hammer, any suggestions on how to remove this pin? BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66150	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail

If you JUST bought it, NIB, from a dealer and have a receipt, why not fill in the warranty card and return to Lionel to get it fixed? Roy From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 20:46:38 -0400 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Thomas Bianculli <tjbian@...>, jlechner2001 <Joseph.Lechner@...>, Bill Zide <Wjzwjz@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail DAVID!!!!!!! WHY!!!!!???????? End of story. Just kidding with you, but stop throwing money at them. Please write on the blackboard a 100 times, ³I will not buy anything from Lionel anymore². Mike From: bull_gator_1 Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 5:26 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail All, I made the fatal mistake of giving Big L another chance. I bought the reversing hand car today, brought it home, put it on the layout and .... it only runs in one direction. The reversing rod does not trip the mechanism. Why do I keep giving this sorry Big L crap a try? We all know the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results. I continue to get the same results from every Big L purchase - another piece of crap that fails right out of the box! And all you guys who come running to Big L's defense can forget about it this time - I'm not listening anymore. BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66151	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: NH

Just got back from a very abrupt end to our trip to our favorite state of Maine and Acadia National Park due to a rental issue, but we did spent some time in NH before our 2 week rental in Maine was to start. We visited http://www.hartmannrr.com/ in N. Conway, as thanks to Frank Emiro for telling me about this place. We did ride the railroad in N. Conway in the dome car with lunch, the 5.5 hour trip, but it rained the whole time. But it was fun overall. Mr. Hartmann is from Switzerland or Sweden, I can’t remember. He was a CPA in his country, but he has a passion for model trains. He wanted to open in museum, but could not do that in his country, since the amount of land he has in NH would cost 23 million in 1993. He has two identical buildings, one for his museum and one for his hobby Shoppe, which for being in NH is probably the largest in stock and building I have ever seen. No S however, but he does have S in the Museum. He has collected trains from all over the world and other things like airplanes. The cabinets he has are very professional. Lots of layouts too. However he told me there are only 3 hobby Shoppe's left in NH as at one time there where 23 as NH is a small state. He is in the TCA. He can’t make York, as he has a business to run. He does not sell collectable trains, but as for new stock, just amazing. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66152	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail

Roy, All the documentation in the box states 2003/2004. Would they even honor a warranty on a 7 - 8 year old item that has been sitting on a dealer's shelf for who knows how long? By the time I pay shipping and handling I would be close to 1/2 way to buying another one. Who knows how long it would take them to repair it. I expect they would just throw it away and ship another one. It would probably fail right out of the box also. I could return it to the seller for an exchange or refund. Of course the dealer only had the one so returning it to him for an exchange won't work either - assuming he would even do that. The dealers know most of this stuff is crap too, so I expect a refund is also out of the question. I don't have a gripe with the dealer - it's not his fault. But he should know he is risking his reputation selling this crap. I could drive to the closest Lionel service shop and pay them to fix it. But that would take a couple of hours each way to drop it off, the same to go back to pick it up. One hour of labor plus any parts will exceed the cost of the handcar. Big L doesn't give a (fill in your favorite expletive here) about all the hassle a customer has to go through associated with getting their crap repaired. The new motto for Big L should be: "Improve Your Troubleshooting and Repair Skills - Buy Big L". BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > If you JUST bought it, NIB, from a dealer and have a receipt, why not fill > in the warranty card and return to Lionel to get it fixed? > > Roy > > > > From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> > Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 20:46:38 -0400 > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Cc: Thomas Bianculli <tjbian@...>, jlechner2001 > <Joseph.Lechner@...>, Bill Zide <Wjzwjz@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail > > > > > > > DAVID!!!!!!! > > WHY!!!!!???????? > > End of story. > > Just kidding with you, but stop throwing money at them. > > Please write on the blackboard a 100 times, ³I will not buy anything from > Lionel anymore². > > Mike > > From: bull_gator_1 > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 5:26 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail > > All, > > I made the fatal mistake of giving Big L another chance. I bought the > reversing hand car today, brought it home, put it on the layout and .... it > only runs in one direction. The reversing rod does not trip the mechanism. > Why do I keep giving this sorry Big L crap a try? We all know the definition > of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different > results. I continue to get the same results from every Big L purchase - > another piece of crap that fails right out of the box! And all you guys who > come running to Big L's defense can forget about it this time - I'm not > listening anymore. > > BG1 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66153	From: jtkeating	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Big L Fail - What to do?

Regarding #9, Big L would probably want royalties! John in SE CT. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bob Hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> wrote: > > I like #9. That shirt should go over real big at the Lionel booth at York > > Sent from my iPod > > On Oct 8, 2011, at 8:05 PM, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > > I guess I have several options for what to do with this final piece of crap from Big L: > > > > 1. Use it for batting practice. > > 2. Run over it with my truck. > > 3. Drop in it liquid nitrogen then hit it with a hammer. > > 4. Drop it out the car window at 80 mph on I-10. > > 5. Gather it together with all my other Big L crap and make a boneyard on my layout - no - the layout's not that big. > > 6. Send it to Big L so quality control can ok it for resell. > > 7. Take it to the service center and get it repaired - pay twice just to get it running right. > > 8. Box it up and stick it in a pile with my other Big L crap and place the pile where I can see it so I never make the mistake of buying their crap again. > > 9. Photo all this crap, print it on a T-shirt and wear it to all future train shows to ensure I never buy Big L again. > > > > Suggestions? > > > > BG1 > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66154	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail

Or better yet, "if you JUST bought it, NIB, from a dealer and have a receipt", why not return it to the dealer and get your money back. Let the dealer deal with Lionel. Then take the refund and buy a nice GILBERT made reversing hand car. Rich --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > If you JUST bought it, NIB, from a dealer and have a receipt, why not fill > in the warranty card and return to Lionel to get it fixed? > > Roy > > > > From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> > Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 20:46:38 -0400 > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Cc: Thomas Bianculli <tjbian@...>, jlechner2001 > <Joseph.Lechner@...>, Bill Zide <Wjzwjz@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail > > > > > > > DAVID!!!!!!! > > WHY!!!!!???????? > > End of story. > > Just kidding with you, but stop throwing money at them. > > Please write on the blackboard a 100 times, ³I will not buy anything from > Lionel anymore². > > Mike > > From: bull_gator_1 > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 5:26 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail > > All, > > I made the fatal mistake of giving Big L another chance. I bought the > reversing hand car today, brought it home, put it on the layout and .... it > only runs in one direction. The reversing rod does not trip the mechanism. > Why do I keep giving this sorry Big L crap a try? We all know the definition > of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different > results. I continue to get the same results from every Big L purchase - > another piece of crap that fails right out of the box! And all you guys who > come running to Big L's defense can forget about it this time - I'm not > listening anymore. > > BG1 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66155	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America

Aren't they. The major manufacturers all sent their tooling there, the jobs went there, Congress gave them tax breaks for doing it in exchange for "Campaign Contributions". China is financing this country. The lunacy of all of this, IF we as a country have no jobs, because they were sent to China, HOW do we buy the stuff the American marketers ( obviously no longer manufacturers ) make in China??? Jim Lyle They seem to feel they are the only game in > town. Mike > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66156	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Big L Fail - What to do?

Contact Mike Reagan at Lionel. _mreagan@..._ (mailto:mreagan@...) The quality issues are dumped on him. He IS a straight forward guy. Jim Lyle In a message dated 10/9/2011 8:58:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, waynebeachy113@... writes: I like #9 also. How much will the shirt sell for? While I've not had that much problems with L stuff, I like the idea of putting money back in the hands of manufactures who support their neighbors in their hometown rather than slaves in another country. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bob Hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> wrote: > > I like #9. That shirt should go over real big at the Lionel booth at York > > Sent from my iPod > > On Oct 8, 2011, at 8:05 PM, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > > I guess I have several options for what to do with this final piece of crap from Big L: > > > > 1. Use it for batting practice. > > 2. Run over it with my truck. > > 3. Drop in it liquid nitrogen then hit it with a hammer. > > 4. Drop it out the car window at 80 mph on I-10. > > 5. Gather it together with all my other Big L crap and make a boneyard on my layout - no - the layout's not that big. > > 6. Send it to Big L so quality control can ok it for resell. > > 7. Take it to the service center and get it repaired - pay twice just to get it running right. > > 8. Box it up and stick it in a pile with my other Big L crap and place the pile where I can see it so I never make the mistake of buying their crap again. > > 9. Photo all this crap, print it on a T-shirt and wear it to all future train shows to ensure I never buy Big L again. > > > > Suggestions? > > > > BG1 > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66157	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Big L Fail - Switching from Human to Vulcan Mode

BG1: So I assume the accessory was not new? If not, then I don¹t know how much Lionel would charge to fix it. But I congratulate you on switching modes :) I feel your pain. It is frustrating in the extreme to find out that you don¹t always get what you pay for. Although I have had generally good luck with Lionel products, the Big irritation for me was the Big Boy: Oversized trailing trucks, bad tender trucks. Poor, just poor attention to those details. Overall, pretty good, at least better than we had before. Good luck with your project :) Roy From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 14:13:30 +0000 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Big L Fail - Switching from Human to Vulcan Mode Hi All, The logical engineer in me has taken control of the emotional dis-satisfied consumer in me so rather than complain or send any more $$$ to Big L I guess I'll take this piece of crap handcar apart and fix it myself. Does anyone know how to remove the pin attaching the handle bar to the push rod? It looks to be a small diameter plastic pin press fit into the handle bar. I've tried pushing it through, but it will not budge. Before I get the out the hammer, any suggestions on how to remove this pin? BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66158	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail

THAT was the option with the Operating Brakeman Boxcar. They would SELL me the same lousy trucks that FELL OFF of the car as replacements. The car WAS used on a display layout, essentially displaying LIONEL's product. NO MORE, on a shelf, won't go out again. The U S personal are in the bind of knowing the trucks are crap, having no recourse in their use until they are gone. Essentially, selling and shipping a product they KNOW will fail, because they have to deplete the stock. Little recourse because the product is made off shore ( THANK Congress, again). Jim Lyle In a message dated 10/9/2011 12:53:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: I expect they would just throw it away and ship another one. It would probably fail right out of the box also. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66159	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America

If just one of the major manufacturers would try to work something out with Kadee, there would at least be some hope. I hear a lot of griping about China, but no one wants to try a change. In not too many years there will be a lot of "We should have", well now is the time to "Should have" This might just be the time to start asking Kadee to look into the "S" market. Then just let the others just die the death, they seem to want to embrace. Mike in Ore In a message dated 10/9/2011 9:53:46 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, WJJIM@... writes: Aren't they. The major manufacturers all sent their tooling there, the jobs went there, Congress gave them tax breaks for doing it in exchange for "Campaign Contributions". China is financing this country. The lunacy of all of this, IF we as a country have no jobs, because they were sent to China, HOW do we buy the stuff the American marketers ( obviously no longer manufacturers ) make in China??? Jim Lyle They seem to feel they are the only game in > town. Mike > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66160	From: Timboy	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Big L Fail - Switching from Human to Vulcan Mode

Guys! If you keep bashing Lionel, you will upset Carl Tuveson! And if you keep making negative Chinese-made vs pro American-made comments, you'll give Don Thompson even more ulcers than he already has! Next you'll be bashing our good friends in the 3-rail community! Where will this madness end? Regards, Timboy, The Voice of Reason

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66161	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail

Come on, give LIONEL credit, the merchandise stays together in the boxes now, it just doesn't work. THAT IS an improvement. Jim Lyle In a message dated 10/9/2011 8:57:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, anormal1@... writes: Send an empty box back to "L" repairs. When they claim you are trying to defraud them, claim they started it. Mike in Ore In a message dated 10/8/2011 6:56:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: Mike, I can't explain it - I fell off the wagon again - lol. The good thing is I won't have to modify the layout to add a siding for the handcar shed! David --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > DAVID!!!!!!! > > WHY!!!!!???????? > > End of story. > > Just kidding with you, but stop throwing money at them. > > Please write on the blackboard a 100 times, “I will not buy anything from Lionel anymore”. > > Mike > > From: bull_gator_1 > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 5:26 PM > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) > Subject: [S-Trains] Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail > > > All, > > I made the fatal mistake of giving Big L another chance. I bought the reversing hand car today, brought it home, put it on the layout and .... it only runs in one direction. The reversing rod does not trip the mechanism. Why do I keep giving this sorry Big L crap a try? We all know the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results. I continue to get the same results from every Big L purchase - another piece of crap that fails right out of the box! And all you guys who come running to Big L's defense can forget about it this time - I'm not listening anymore. > > BG1 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66162	From: Frank	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America

Good point and true about political contributors. Just think, American Flyer from China. Just does not sound right. Frank Emiro Sent from my iPhone On Oct 9, 2011, at 11:25 AM, WJJIM@... wrote: > Aren't they. The major manufacturers all sent their tooling there, the > jobs went there, Congress gave them tax breaks for doing it in exchange for > "Campaign Contributions". China is financing this country. > > The lunacy of all of this, IF we as a country have no jobs, because they > were sent to China, HOW do we buy the stuff the American marketers ( > obviously no longer manufacturers ) make in China??? > > Jim Lyle > > > They seem to feel they are the only game in > > town. Mike > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66163	From: Frank	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: NH

Mike, Glad you enjoyed the visit and had some fun. Hope we meet sometime in NH. Maybe some of you might drop in at the BIG E in West Springfield, Mass in late January 2012. It is a great train show. Frank Sent from my iPhone On Oct 9, 2011, at 12:40 PM, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > Just got back from a very abrupt end to our trip to our favorite state of Maine and Acadia National Park due to a rental issue, but we did spent some time in NH before our 2 week rental in Maine was to start. > > We visited http://www.hartmannrr.com/ in N. Conway, as thanks to Frank Emiro for telling me about this place. > > We did ride the railroad in N. Conway in the dome car with lunch, the 5.5 hour trip, but it rained the whole time. But it was fun overall. > > Mr. Hartmann is from Switzerland or Sweden, I can’t remember. He was a CPA in his country, but he has a passion for model trains. He wanted to open in museum, but could not do that in his country, since the amount of land he has in NH would cost 23 million in 1993. > > He has two identical buildings, one for his museum and one for his hobby Shoppe, which for being in NH is probably the largest in stock and building I have ever seen. > > No S however, but he does have S in the Museum. > > He has collected trains from all over the world and other things like airplanes. The cabinets he has are very professional. > > Lots of layouts too. > > However he told me there are only 3 hobby Shoppe's left in NH as at one time there where 23 as NH is a small state. > > He is in the TCA. He can’t make York, as he has a business to run. He does not sell collectable trains, but as for new stock, just amazing. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66164	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Big L Fail - Switching from Human to Vulcan Mode

Roy, So far as I can tell it is New-In-Box and bought from a dealer. The paperwork inside the box is 2003/2004. I was just saying they might not honor the warranty since it has such old paperwork. Then again maybe they haven't changed the paperwork since then. I can tell you some of the Lionel repair shops shown in the 2003/2004 paperwork are no longer in business. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > BG1: So I assume the accessory was not new? If not, then I don¹t know how > much Lionel would charge to fix it. But I congratulate you on switching > modes :) I feel your pain. It is frustrating in the extreme to find out that > you don¹t always get what you pay for. Although I have had generally good > luck with Lionel products, the Big irritation for me was the Big Boy: > Oversized trailing trucks, bad tender trucks. Poor, just poor attention to > those details. Overall, pretty good, at least better than we had before. > > Good luck with your project :) > > Roy > > > > From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> > Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 14:13:30 +0000 > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Big L Fail - Switching from Human to Vulcan Mode > > > > > > > Hi All, > > The logical engineer in me has taken control of the emotional dis-satisfied > consumer in me so rather than complain or send any more $$$ to Big L I guess > I'll take this piece of crap handcar apart and fix it myself. Does anyone > know how to remove the pin attaching the handle bar to the push rod? It > looks to be a small diameter plastic pin press fit into the handle bar. > I've tried pushing it through, but it will not budge. Before I get the out > the hammer, any suggestions on how to remove this pin? > > BG1 > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66165	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail

There is of course much truth in what you say. Maybe not worth the time and shipping. But regarding the warranty, I bought a 2000 item in 2008, NIB from a dealer, messed up decals (I know, picky picky <LOL>), sent it in with the warranty and Lionel fixed it for free. Got it back in about a month. In that case I have no idea if they sent me a new one or just re-decaled (is that a word?) mine. The engine, a clear body, ran fine out of the box. Roy From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:07:03 +0000 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail Roy, All the documentation in the box states 2003/2004. Would they even honor a warranty on a 7 - 8 year old item that has been sitting on a dealer's shelf for who knows how long? By the time I pay shipping and handling I would be close to 1/2 way to buying another one. Who knows how long it would take them to repair it. I expect they would just throw it away and ship another one. It would probably fail right out of the box also. I could return it to the seller for an exchange or refund. Of course the dealer only had the one so returning it to him for an exchange won't work either - assuming he would even do that. The dealers know most of this stuff is crap too, so I expect a refund is also out of the question. I don't have a gripe with the dealer - it's not his fault. But he should know he is risking his reputation selling this crap. I could drive to the closest Lionel service shop and pay them to fix it. But that would take a couple of hours each way to drop it off, the same to go back to pick it up. One hour of labor plus any parts will exceed the cost of the handcar. Big L doesn't give a (fill in your favorite expletive here) about all the hassle a customer has to go through associated with getting their crap repaired. The new motto for Big L should be: "Improve Your Troubleshooting and Repair Skills - Buy Big L". BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> wrote: > > If you JUST bought it, NIB, from a dealer and have a receipt, why not fill > in the warranty card and return to Lionel to get it fixed? > > Roy > > > > From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> > Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 20:46:38 -0400 > To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-trains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Cc: Thomas Bianculli <tjbian@...>, jlechner2001 > <Joseph.Lechner@...>, Bill Zide <Wjzwjz@...> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail > > > > > > > DAVID!!!!!!! > > WHY!!!!!???????? > > End of story. > > Just kidding with you, but stop throwing money at them. > > Please write on the blackboard a 100 times, ³I will not buy anything from > Lionel anymore². > > Mike > > From: bull_gator_1 > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 5:26 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Insanity Continues - Another Big L Fail > > All, > > I made the fatal mistake of giving Big L another chance. I bought the > reversing hand car today, brought it home, put it on the layout and .... it > only runs in one direction. The reversing rod does not trip the mechanism. > Why do I keep giving this sorry Big L crap a try? We all know the definition > of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different > results. I continue to get the same results from every Big L purchase - > another piece of crap that fails right out of the box! And all you guys who > come running to Big L's defense can forget about it this time - I'm not > listening anymore. > > BG1 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66166	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Something to think about

I just received notification from Eastern Div, TCA, that they will have TWO buildings with operating layouts at YORK this week. The Baltimore S folks will be in the BLACK hall, the usual layout venue and a group from Switzerland will have a 40' X 67' layout in the WHITE Hall. Believe that precludes any dealers in that hall. Give that little thought------- Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66167	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America

Used to call it Chionel. Jim Lyle In a message dated 10/9/2011 2:54:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, femiro2002@... writes: Good point and true about political contributors. Just think, American Flyer from China. Just does not sound right. Frank Emiro Sent from my iPhone On Oct 9, 2011, at 11:25 AM, WJJIM@... wrote: > Aren't they. The major manufacturers all sent their tooling there, the > jobs went there, Congress gave them tax breaks for doing it in exchange for > "Campaign Contributions". China is financing this country. > > The lunacy of all of this, IF we as a country have no jobs, because they > were sent to China, HOW do we buy the stuff the American marketers ( > obviously no longer manufacturers ) make in China??? > > Jim Lyle > > > They seem to feel they are the only game in > > town. Mike > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66168	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Big L Fail - Switching from Human to Vulcan Mode

SO, help Don out. Pre-order a couple of boxes of track and send him a check. That would surely help get back a product most of us want. Jim Lyle In a message dated 10/9/2011 2:54:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, timstrains2000@... writes: Guys! If you keep bashing Lionel, you will upset Carl Tuveson! And if you keep making negative Chinese-made vs pro American-made comments, you'll give Don Thompson even more ulcers than he already has! Next you'll be bashing our good friends in the 3-rail community! Where will this madness end? Regards, Timboy, The Voice of Reason ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66169	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America

FIRST the manufacturer HAS to get their molds/dies OUT of China, means they have to pay off any balance owed, convince Chinese gov't to release them etc. The other option is to once again pay to make a mold/die they already own at least a piece of. NOT an easy place to be. Kind of like trying to stop a landslide halfway down the hill. DIFFICULT. Jim Lyle In a message dated 10/9/2011 2:53:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, anormal1@... writes: If just one of the major manufacturers would try to work something out with Kadee, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66170	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/9/2011, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 66171	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America

Wouldn't it be cheaper to make new dies/molds, than to pay China the ransom they demand & still not own your own property? In a message dated 10/9/2011 12:30:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, WJJIM@... writes: FIRST the manufacturer HAS to get their molds/dies OUT of China, means they have to pay off any balance owed, convince Chinese gov't to release them etc. The other option is to once again pay to make a mold/die they already own at least a piece of. NOT an easy place to be. Kind of like trying to stop a landslide halfway down the hill. DIFFICULT. Jim Lyle In a message dated 10/9/2011 2:53:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) writes: If just one of the major manufacturers would try to work something out with Kadee, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66172	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America

IF the manufacturer does not bring them back, THEN the Chinese can use the molds to make the product themselves, WITHOUT bothering to copy it, ( or pay for it ) they already have it. I have two identical miniature wagons, both red, one says Tootsietoy on it, the other CHINA. ONLY difference is the name. Obviously either the Tootsietoy molds were abandoned or "borrowed" , no idea which. It can't be difficult to fill in Tootsietoy and machine out "CHINA", can it. We can probably be assured we won't go to war with China, they most likely would NOT ship back the weapons they have already copied from us, PLUS, we owe them too much money. Jim Lyle In a message dated 10/9/2011 10:10:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, anormal1@... writes: Wouldn't it be cheaper to make new dies/molds, than to pay China the ransom they demand & still not own your own property? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66173	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2011
Subject: Made in America

WHO thinks K-Line products won't resurface in the market place?????? Sandha Kan owns everything, why not sell it. Jim Lyle In a message dated 10/9/2011 10:10:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, anormal1@... writes: Wouldn't it be cheaper to make new dies/molds, than to pay China the ransom they demand & still not own your own property? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66174	From: Martin A. Johnson	Date: 10/10/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America

If you look at toy cars and trucks, (And lots of other Toys) many "knock-offs" are now available saying made in China, that you can tell were once Tootsie-toy, Matchbox, Hot-Wheels, ERTL, or other well known brands. Why would we not expect this done with model RR Equipment if molds are left in China? Debt to China? ho hmmmm not to be political, but we (USA) don't owe them near as much as they let on, as most is paper "trade deficit equalizers", as the US imports more goods from China than they do from us, but we export more Ag. Commodities & Scrap Iron to China! It's simply political. Unfortunately hobbies such as ours get caught in the middle, and has put many small manufacturers out of inventory, or out of business all together. I personally hope more companies look as American factories again, as with out economy, here in the mid-west there are countless people that would be happy to work in a factory earning $10 an hour! Much better that the unemployment check they are receiving. Marty [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66175	From: Jerry	Date: 10/10/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America

Mold and die making is a highly skilled occupation, and isn't cheap to have done. In a talk with Ron Bashista he told me it was upwards of $50k for a mold to be made. The materials themselves are not cheap either. One slip of the die grinder, and the mold is ruined. Even with today's technologies, it remains expensive to make dies or molds. It makes sense to ransom them back from the Chinese rather than make new ones. Of course, it all depends on them actually completing their end of the deal. If you get it back, you then own the tools. But then, there's the issue of unscrupulous makers of the same items without them paying royalties.... Believe it or not, there are "those" in the world who do not believe in exclusive ownership of intellectual property. I know! I was shocked to find this out too! (insert a note or a symphony of sarcasm) Jerry --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, anormal1@... wrote: > > Wouldn't it be cheaper to make new dies/molds, than to pay China the ransom > they demand & still not own your own property? > > > In a message dated 10/9/2011 12:30:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > WJJIM@... writes: > > > > > FIRST the manufacturer HAS to get their molds/dies OUT of China, means they > > have to pay off any balance owed, convince Chinese gov't to release them > etc. The other option is to once again pay to make a mold/die they already > own at least a piece of. NOT an easy place to be. > Kind of like trying to stop a landslide halfway down the hill. DIFFICULT. > Jim Lyle > > > In a message dated 10/9/2011 2:53:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) writes: > > If just one of the major manufacturers would try to work something out > with > Kadee, > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66176	From: John M	Date: 10/10/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America

--- The simple answer is they don't care. This is globalization. They don't need to sell here. They make money selling to china, to India, to Finland, wherever there's a market. The Chinese market now is enormous. Don't believe all that poor farmer crap, they've got the premier economy in the world right now and there buying. > > The lunacy of all of this, IF we as a country have no jobs, because they > were sent to China, HOW do we buy the stuff the American marketers ( > obviously no longer manufacturers ) make in China??? > > Jim Lyle > > > They seem to feel they are the only game in > > town. Mike > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66177	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 10/10/2011
Subject: #14 AW

I am working on the air whistle, and at the high altitudes and thin air in Colo. the whistle doesn't work that well, Produces a sound only at full power I was wondering if any one has cut a second opening in the chamber to get more air to the whistle chamber. Any suggestions ?? Jerry HR77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e9328101d9da26217m06duc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66178	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/10/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America

All, If you think the Chinese are a problem, you best be looking at India. The Indians are the most networked people in the world and have no sense of patent protection, intellectual property, etc. I have an Indian on staff and within several hours I can find out almost any "confidential" data I want on any of our competitors world wide. Of course I'm not stupid enough to think that he doesn't live on a two way street. I'm sure that our "secrets" are leaving as we are gathering "secrets" from our competitors. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Martin A. Johnson" <skally@...> wrote: > > If you look at toy cars and trucks, (And lots of other Toys) many "knock-offs" are now available saying made in China, that you can tell were once Tootsie-toy, Matchbox, Hot-Wheels, ERTL, or other well known brands. Why would we not expect this done with model RR Equipment if molds are left in China? > > Debt to China? ho hmmmm not to be political, but we (USA) don't owe them near as much as they let on, as most is paper "trade deficit equalizers", as the US imports more goods from China than they do from us, but we export more Ag. Commodities & Scrap Iron to China! It's simply political. > > Unfortunately hobbies such as ours get caught in the middle, and has put many small manufacturers out of inventory, or out of business all together. I personally hope more companies look as American factories again, as with out economy, here in the mid-west there are countless people that would be happy to work in a factory earning $10 an hour! Much better that the unemployment check they are receiving. > > Marty > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66179	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 10/10/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America

Marty- Sadly, if only what you say were true. I saw what the labor situation was at Con-Cor before they moved their manufacturing operation to Tucson, AZ and worked for three years with some of the same people in the wholesale distribution business that remained. Unfortunately, a large portion of the labor pool are not "happy to work" instead of drawing unemployment, at least in large urban areas. The warehouse people I worked with were the best and oldest employees..and they were far from what I'd rely on to run my business. Discussion has pointed to Kadee as one of the examples of how manufacturing can be done in the US... Micro-Trains is another one in the same geographic area that have most all of their production here. But they are very fortunate and are about the only companies of any size in the Model Railroad Industry that have managed to keep production here. It isn't just the hourly cost of labor that sends people to OEM, no matter where it is located. Major players in the Model Railroad Industry today range from an individual working out of their house or with minimal office/warehouse space to a handful of people, even the really big names. They can do this because they don't have to have any production overhead and all the associated management problems and costs. Using OEM makes most all those people and facility-related problems go away so the principals of a company can focus on the business and not people, facility and government headaches. Ask any businessman and you'll find that the intervention of federal, state, county, and city taxing, regulatory, zoning, etc. bureaucracies are a large part of their decision not to bring production back here. Not to mention the impossibility of getting loans for capital equipment (toolmaking machinery, factory space, injection molding machines, painting and decorating equipment, die casting lines, CADM programs and computers, etc., etc..). I don't know of a person in the industry that wouldn't like to walk out of their office to discuss changes to their product or adjust production to meet sales on a near-real time basis instead of booking production time six months to a year ahead. But the reality is that a number of factors, most of which are political, have conspired to drive production out of the US and until those change you aren't going to see much production coming back here. Charlie Vlk Railroad Model Resources Unfortunately hobbies such as ours get caught in the middle, and has put many small manufacturers out of inventory, or out of business all together. I personally hope more companies look as American factories again, as with out economy, here in the mid-west there are countless people that would be happy to work in a factory earning $10 an hour! Much better that the unemployment check they are receiving. Marty [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66180	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/10/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America

This is where Kadee has the edge, as they make their own molds& dies in house. Far better control than ordering the work done & then approving it or not. Mike In a message dated 10/10/2011 8:08:10 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, poniaj@... writes: Mold and die making is a highly skilled occupation, and isn't cheap to have done. In a talk with Ron Bashista he told me it was upwards of $50k for a mold to be made. The materials themselves are not cheap either. One slip of the die grinder, and the mold is ruined. Even with today's technologies, it remains expensive to make dies or molds. It makes sense to ransom them back from the Chinese rather than make new ones. Of course, it all depends on them actually completing their end of the deal. If you get it back, you then own the tools. But then, there's the issue of unscrupulous makers of the same items without them paying royalties.... Believe it or not, there are "those" in the world who do not believe in exclusive ownership of intellectual property. I know! I was shocked to find this out too! (insert a note or a symphony of sarcasm) Jerry --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , anormal1@... wrote: > > Wouldn't it be cheaper to make new dies/molds, than to pay China the ransom > they demand & still not own your own property? > > > In a message dated 10/9/2011 12:30:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > WJJIM@... writes: > > > > > FIRST the manufacturer HAS to get their molds/dies OUT of China, means they > > have to pay off any balance owed, convince Chinese gov't to release them > etc. The other option is to once again pay to make a mold/die they already > own at least a piece of. NOT an easy place to be. > Kind of like trying to stop a landslide halfway down the hill. DIFFICULT. > Jim Lyle > > > In a message dated 10/9/2011 2:53:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > _anormal1@..._ (mailto:anormal1@...) writes: > > If just one of the major manufacturers would try to work something out > with > Kadee, > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66181	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 10/10/2011
Subject: Big L failure

Wow, but it doesn't surprize me-  my offer to pay for the shipping on the "useless, NFG, disintegrating truck, won't reverse, etc., etc., ad infinitum" FLYONEL went ignored. BS1 seems to have a different idea of "junk" than he expresses...... john marganski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66182	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/10/2011
Subject: Re: Big L failure

John, Like I said - all you Big L defenders can talk all you want - I'm not listening anymore. I may just list it all on eBay and that way you and your Big L buddies can get into a bidding war over it since you love it so much. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@...> wrote: > > Wow, but it doesn't surprize me-  my offer to pay for the shipping on the "useless, NFG, disintegrating truck, won't reverse, etc., etc., ad infinitum" FLYONEL went ignored. BS1 seems to have a different idea of "junk" than he expresses...... john marganski > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66183	From: Ken Christiansen	Date: 10/10/2011
Subject: Re: Big L Fail - What to do?

Dig out the receipt, train shop best contact Big L. Ask for warranty service. If you do not ask ya sure don't get. Ken Christiansen Broker Associate Prudential Crosby Starck REALTORS 551 N Mulford Rd. Rockford, IL 6107 Mobile 815-218-3957 Do you know anyone wanting to buy or sell Real Estate? Your referral is always appreciated. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66184	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/10/2011
Subject: Re: Big L failure

On 10/10/2011 6:27 PM, bull_gator_1 wrote: > > I may just list it all on eBay and that way you and > your Big L buddies can get into a bidding war over it since you love it > so much. Now you know why I like my original AF stuff so much. Even the first set that I got as a boy of 8 in 1954 still runs fine! Just needs a bit of TLC and lube once in a while. :-) George Cohn '70 OTS

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66185	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/10/2011
Subject: Re: Big L failure

Well, LOVE is a pretty strong word :) However, if it is the only one left standing at the bar along towards midnight, Big L can be attractive <LOL> (As in, there ain¹t no other American Flyer game in town.) Roy From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 01:27:40 +0000 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Big L failure John, Like I said - all you Big L defenders can talk all you want - I'm not listening anymore. I may just list it all on eBay and that way you and your Big L buddies can get into a bidding war over it since you love it so much. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@...> wrote: > > Wow, but it doesn't surprize me-  my offer to pay for the shipping on the "useless, NFG, disintegrating truck, won't reverse, etc., etc., ad infinitum" FLYONEL went ignored. BS1 seems to have a different idea of "junk" than he expresses...... john marganski > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66186	From: ron_kolb2000	Date: 10/10/2011
Subject: S Gauge Layout at TCA York October Meet

The Baltimore Area American Flyer Club will be operating our modular American Flyer layout at the TCA York meet this week. We will be the only layout in the Black Hall. Be sure to check out some of our new layout features including roundhouse and operating turntable, lift bridge and Halloween scene. Ron Kolb Club Coordinator

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66187	From: Tom David	Date: 10/11/2011
Subject: Re: #14 AW

Try it with a Lionel transformer with a whistle controller. The whistle handel on the transformer adds voltage to operate the whistle Tom David For a great Florida Vacation click here A great 3 bedroom vacation condo near Disney World Fl. -----Original Message----- From: gerald r dobbs <grdobbs@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Doug <Doug@...> Sent: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:22 pm Subject: [S-Trains] #14 AW I am working on the air whistle, and at the high altitudes and thin air in Colo. the whistle doesn't work that well, Produces a sound only at full power I was wondering if any one has cut a second opening in the chamber to get more air to the whistle chamber. Any suggestions ?? Jerry HR77-11644 __________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e9328101d9da26217m06duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66188	From: Martin A. Johnson	Date: 10/11/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America - mfg. locations

My opinion & experience is Location is key to success of mfg. in the USA. Go to Rural America, not urban America. Here in MN, although they claim we have a high corporate tax rate, there are many "tax free" zones for new companies and companies moving into the locations, all of these tax free zones are outside the "Twin City" metro area. Most in towns of less than 10,000 people, & many in town of less than 2,500 people. in many of these small towns, you can buy a nice livable house for under $100,000, if not under $75,000. Hire rural workers and farm raised people, most of us were raised with good work ethic, and pride in what we do. Do "everything" in house, or with local sub contractor machinists. Yes there are local machinists that will make dies & molding for far less than $50,000. (I know several retired machinists, that made a good living doing that). Saying making dies costs $50,000 is like the government saying it costs around $200,000 to raise a child from birth to age 18. Sure you can spend that, but as a father, I can say with certainty, it does not require that much money spent on the child. In 20 years, I won't have 200K "spendable" income, just won't happen. Everything is a variable, those that shop around for best price/quality ratio are more likely to succeed. I'm not anti-global, but rather "source local", shipping items half way around the world not only wastes time, it wastes fuel, cause other business "risks" & logistical problems, etc. I maintain, if Made in America doesn't work, Kadee would be long gone, Polaris & Ski-Doo, wouldn't me primarily made in Minnesota (USA) John Deere would import all products to the US, not just some and the list continues......... It is short sighted to "write off" Made in America, especially in the current economic situation we are living thru, most all of the world, not just the USA. Marty [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66189	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/11/2011
Subject: It's more than just the "Big L."

Some years ago, Lionel moved all their manufacturing to Mexico to vastly cut labor costs. This resulted in the loss of a year's production because of an bismal quality control. It's hard to train people who know nothing about what they are making. China does business to suit themselves and rigs the playing field as such. They steal technology from everyone. Ask Chrysler, who built a Jeep plant there and a year later was facing competition from a Chinese company that was producing clones of the Jeep under their own badge. Even though bringing production back to America might make sense, it's not so simple. If your tooling is in China, you'll probably have to start making new tooling here, because they won't let it leave the country! In many cases, new tooling would be prohibtively expensive. And then there is the problem that wages of a fish head and two bowls of rice a day are meaningless savings if the CUSTOMERS are out of work or their wages have declined well below the cost of living. After all, there are damn few people in China, India, Mexico, etc, that play with toy trains. We may well see, at least for the next few years, a return to small "Mom & Pop" manufacturers here in America being the backbone of the hobby as it was in the forties and fifties. This will mean a decline in the number of new products every year of course. But that may be a good thing as it will help us become more creative just as those hobbyists before us were. I'm sorry that this comes so close to "political" commentary, but our hobby is closely connected to such matters. We may disagree on how these things should be worked out, but we're still "all in this together." Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66190	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 10/11/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America - mfg. locations

Marty- I agree with you that going to Rural America might be part of the solution... but that means getting further away from government interference and back to pockets of common sense. One way it could work is if somebody decided that setting up a full-service OEM operation mirroring what the Chinese do for importers today would be a viable business. Perhaps some of the unit costs could be offset by automation... robotics would be able to take over some of the more labor-intensive aspects of production. Tooling and injection molding/die casting are already nearly the same costs here or abroad and raw materials is the same. Shipping costs could further help bring costs in line. Now all we need is somebody with a few tens of millions of dollars to make the investment. Charlie Vlk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66191	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/11/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America - mfg. locations

On 10/11/2011 8:48 AM, Martin A. Johnson wrote: > > I maintain, if Made in America doesn't work, Kadee would be long gone, > Polaris & Ski-Doo, wouldn't me primarily made in Minnesota (USA) John > Deere would import all products to the US, not just some and the list > continues......... Last year I needed a generator for a construction project and shopped all of the local outlets. The Generac I finally chose says "Made in Wisconsin" right on it. It probably has some imported parts but at least an American worker got to assemble them. Part of the problem is everyone is looking for cheap, and that usually means imported from China. It particularly annoys me to see American flags that are made in China. :-( George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66192	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/11/2011
Subject: Flyonel Challengers

The Lionel web site still shows the UP challengers as shipping in October. So has anyone received theirs yet? Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66193	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/11/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America - mfg. locations

Ah Charlie, You have hit the nail on the head. All this cussing and discussing of where something should be done seems not to be discussed by people with any skin in the game. It could be that all of the train makers are just stupid or cannot think straight, but, I doubt that. The opinions that matter are those of the people willing to make investments in this line of business right now. Everything else is just gas. We chew on this topic every few months. Bill (not about to invest in making toys) Bill Porter South Florida On 10/11/2011 1:00 PM, Charlie Vlk wrote: > Marty- > ... > Now all we need is somebody with a few tens of millions of dollars to make > the investment. > Charlie Vlk >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66194	From: R G	Date: 10/11/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel Challengers

I am still waiting! ________________________________ From: Roy Inman <rinphoto@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:28 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel Challengers   The Lionel web site still shows the UP challengers as shipping in October. So has anyone received theirs yet? Roy Inman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66195	From: Thorinn Marty	Date: 10/11/2011
Subject: Off topic: used train horn, Nathan K3LA

Good afternoon: Dave Johnson of the Iowa Traction Railroad is looking for a used train horn, a Nathan K3LA. He wants a real one. Once installed it will be used for crossing safety (Blattttt Blattttt Blat Blattttttttttttt) Anyone have one or know where one is for sale? Please contact me off-list. Thank you, Thorin P.S. S Scale content: My models could use 20 two chime air horns with both horns facing forward in S Scale. Anyone have such a critter? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66196	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/11/2011
Subject: Re: Off topic: used train horn, Nathan K3LA

Thorin, There are three currently on eBay. Plus some K6LA and K5LA train horns. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Thorinn Marty <lagthor@...> wrote: > > Good afternoon: > Dave Johnson of the Iowa Traction Railroad is looking for a used train horn, > a Nathan K3LA. He wants a real one. Once installed it will be used for > crossing safety (Blattttt Blattttt Blat Blattttttttttttt) > > Anyone have one or know where one is for sale? > Please contact me off-list. > > Thank you, > Thorin > > P.S. S Scale content: My models could use 20 two chime air horns with both > horns facing forward in S Scale. Anyone have such a critter? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66197	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 10/11/2011
Subject: Westinghouse Factory

I just finished my version of Paul Yorke's <http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/layout/layout.htm> factory kit. The kit is basically a single wall section and the loading dock doors, you can build it in whatever configuration you want. http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/cardmodels/westinghouse/westinghouse1.jpg I printed each wall section 4.5" x 6", the complete building is 9" x 14". It's printed on 67 lb cardstock and glued onto poster board. The loading dock (not part of the kit) and the doors will go on the side that's missing a first floor window. That'll have to wait until I place the building on the new layout so the dock/doors will be the correct height. I'm considering the Miller Engineering Westinghouse sign for the roof. http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/cardmodels/westinghouse/westinghouse2.jpg You can find the kit on-line at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/layout/layout.htm Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66198	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/11/2011
Subject: Re: Westinghouse Factory

Brady, That looks great! I've been playing around with making wooden fencing using jpegs and card stock. I also made an electrical room for my Ford dealership to hide the wiring. It's amazing what you can do with a good printer these days. Keep up the good work and keep the ideas coming! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: > > I just finished my version of Paul Yorke's > <http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/layout/layout.htm> factory kit. The > kit is basically a single wall section and the loading dock doors, you > can build it in whatever configuration you want. > > http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/cardmodels/westinghouse/westinghouse1.jpg > > > I printed each wall section 4.5" x 6", the complete building is 9" x > 14". It's printed on 67 lb cardstock and glued onto poster board. > > The loading dock (not part of the kit) and the doors will go on the side > that's missing a first floor window. That'll have to wait until I place > the building on the new layout so the dock/doors will be the correct > height. I'm considering the Miller Engineering Westinghouse sign for > the roof. > > http://www.americanflyerlines.net/files/cardmodels/westinghouse/westinghouse2.jpg > > > You can find the kit on-line at > http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/layout/layout.htm > > > Brady Burdge >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66199	From: Ray Puls	Date: 10/12/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel Challengers

I am also waiting for my engine, hope that they are now waiting off shore or in customs. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66200	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 10/12/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel Challengers

Could they be on that ship that just wrecked in New Zealand? Len  ________________________________ From: Ray Puls <rpuls3@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:04 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Flyonel Challengers   I am also waiting for my engine, hope that they are now waiting off shore or in customs. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66201	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 10/12/2011
Subject: Stuart Covington's S gauge old school fun layout

A great video, lots of action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckC8EFyhJR4& Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66202	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2011
Subject: LIONEL U-Boat @ NTTM

I had the pleasure of holding the A/F by LIONEL U-Boat this PM. It is heavy, has coil couplers on both ends AND the steps swing with/are part of the trucks, al'a 3 rail diesels. I mentioned that "S" ( and REAL ) diesel trucks turn independently of body parts. The Northern Pacific is the model most likely to be seen in York. IF you see it, you might mention the part about the steps and the trucks. The Challengers were on display as well & I checked out the track system, the Chinese apparently don't know straight from curved, the straight track is clearly marked " 10" curve by LIONEL". That brought a chuckle from those assembled. At this point in time the track in light grey, period, ties, ballast etc, ALL one color. NO idea if that will change, think it HAS to to be competitive. Power feed appears to be same as "big brother O". Mentioned that I thought there HAD to be more than # 3 switches offered also. Jim "drying slowly" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66203	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America - mfg. locations

Really Charlie? A "few tens of millions". Have you been using glue without an open window? Mike in Ore In a message dated 10/11/2011 10:22:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cvlk@... writes: Marty- I agree with you that going to Rural America might be part of the solution... but that means getting further away from government interference and back to pockets of common sense. One way it could work is if somebody decided that setting up a full-service OEM operation mirroring what the Chinese do for importers today would be a viable business. Perhaps some of the unit costs could be offset by automation... robotics would be able to take over some of the more labor-intensive aspects of production. Tooling and injection molding/die casting are already nearly the same costs here or abroad and raw materials is the same. Shipping costs could further help bring costs in line. Now all we need is somebody with a few tens of millions of dollars to make the investment. Charlie Vlk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66204	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America - mfg. locations

I would think that IF those folks exist, they are already investing in Brazil, China and anywhere else the U S gov can't get at them. Kinda like "wanna make a million dollars in toy trains??? Start with TWO million dollars." Jim Lyle In a message dated 10/12/2011 9:33:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, anormal1@... writes: Now all we need is somebody with a few tens of millions of dollars to make the investment. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66205	From: knight@calu.edu	Date: 10/12/2011
Subject: Re: LIONEL U-Boat @ NTTM

Hi Jim, Any word on the delivery of the U Boats? It seems every time I check the shipping schedule, it gets pushed back another month. It has been a long time waiting for this one. Gene Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: <WJJIM@...> Sender: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 20:27:53 To: <s-trains@yahoogroups.com>; <s-scale@...> Reply-To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] LIONEL U-Boat @ NTTM I had the pleasure of holding the A/F by LIONEL U-Boat this PM. It is heavy, has coil couplers on both ends AND the steps swing with/are part of the trucks, al'a 3 rail diesels. I mentioned that "S" ( and REAL ) diesel trucks turn independently of body parts. The Northern Pacific is the model most likely to be seen in York. IF you see it, you might mention the part about the steps and the trucks. The Challengers were on display as well & I checked out the track system, the Chinese apparently don't know straight from curved, the straight track is clearly marked " 10" curve by LIONEL". That brought a chuckle from those assembled. At this point in time the track in light grey, period, ties, ballast etc, ALL one color. NO idea if that will change, think it HAS to to be competitive. Power feed appears to be same as "big brother O". Mentioned that I thought there HAD to be more than # 3 switches offered also. Jim "drying slowly" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66206	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/12/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America - mfg. locations

On 10/12/2011 6:31 PM, anormal1@... wrote: > Really Charlie? A "few tens of millions". Have you been using glue without > an open window? Mike in Ore For a large manufacturing facility, that is peanuts! If I won the lottery. I would seriously consider doing just such a thing. The ROI could be incredible and it would create American jobs and further American technology. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66207	From: Frank	Date: 10/12/2011
Subject: Re: LIONEL U-Boat @ NTTM

Is the track T rail or round ? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 12, 2011, at 8:27 PM, WJJIM@... wrote: > I had the pleasure of holding the A/F by LIONEL U-Boat this PM. It is > heavy, has coil couplers on both ends AND the steps swing with/are part of the > trucks, al'a 3 rail diesels. I mentioned that "S" ( and REAL ) diesel > trucks turn independently of body parts. The Northern Pacific is the model > most likely to be seen in York. IF you see it, you might mention the part > about the steps and the trucks. > > The Challengers were on display as well & I checked out the track system, > the Chinese apparently don't know straight from curved, the straight track > is clearly marked " 10" curve by LIONEL". That brought a chuckle from > those assembled. At this point in time the track in light grey, period, ties, > ballast etc, ALL one color. NO idea if that will change, think it HAS to > to be competitive. Power feed appears to be same as "big brother O". > Mentioned that I thought there HAD to be more than # 3 switches offered also. > > Jim "drying slowly" Lyle > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66208	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America - mfg. locations

Not that I am saying it couldn¹t happen, and obviously, George, when you win the lottery you can spend it any way you wish. But, I wonder why if the ³ROI could be incredible² another manufacturer has not done it? Roy From: George Cohn <gwcohn@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:43:58 -0700 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Made in America - mfg. locations On 10/12/2011 6:31 PM, anormal1@... <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> wrote: > Really Charlie? A "few tens of millions". Have you been using glue without > an open window? Mike in Ore For a large manufacturing facility, that is peanuts! If I won the lottery. I would seriously consider doing just such a thing. The ROI could be incredible and it would create American jobs and further American technology. George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66209	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: It's more than just the "Big L."

Actually, you don't realize how insightful you are, Stumpy. Companies that have had their unions neutralized are paying wages at half the wages they were paying before the s**t hit the fan. The auto industry is one example and the USPS is not far behind, now paying a newly defined, union protected employee base at more than HALF the wage of long time employees. It's the sign of the times and what may bring manufacturing back to the U.S. where it belongs. We manufacture NOTHING compared to what we have in the past. Bruce From: mrstumpy50 Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 9:31 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] It's more than just the "Big L." Some years ago, Lionel moved all their manufacturing to Mexico to vastly cut labor costs. This resulted in the loss of a year's production because of an bismal quality control. It's hard to train people who know nothing about what they are making. China does business to suit themselves and rigs the playing field as such. They steal technology from everyone. Ask Chrysler, who built a Jeep plant there and a year later was facing competition from a Chinese company that was producing clones of the Jeep under their own badge. Even though bringing production back to America might make sense, it's not so simple. If your tooling is in China, you'll probably have to start making new tooling here, because they won't let it leave the country! In many cases, new tooling would be prohibtively expensive. And then there is the problem that wages of a fish head and two bowls of rice a day are meaningless savings if the CUSTOMERS are out of work or their wages have declined well below the cost of living. After all, there are damn few people in China, India, Mexico, etc, that play with toy trains. We may well see, at least for the next few years, a return to small "Mom & Pop" manufacturers here in America being the backbone of the hobby as it was in the forties and fifties. This will mean a decline in the number of new products every year of course. But that may be a good thing as it will help us become more creative just as those hobbyists before us were. I'm sorry that this comes so close to "political" commentary, but our hobby is closely connected to such matters. We may disagree on how these things should be worked out, but we're still "all in this together." Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66210	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: LIONEL U-Boat @ NTTM

Didn't actually ask, will tomorrow or Friday. Jim In a message dated 10/12/2011 10:06:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, knight@... writes: Any word on the delivery of the U Boats? It seems every time I check the shipping schedule, it gets pushed back another month. It has been a long time waiting for this one. Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66211	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: LIONEL U-Boat @ NTTM

Where the Challengers ³oversized truck challenged² like the Big Boys? Roy From: Frank <femiro2002@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 22:12:08 -0400 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LIONEL U-Boat @ NTTM Is the track T rail or round ? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 12, 2011, at 8:27 PM, WJJIM@... <mailto:WJJIM%40aol.com> wrote: > I had the pleasure of holding the A/F by LIONEL U-Boat this PM. It is > heavy, has coil couplers on both ends AND the steps swing with/are part of the > trucks, al'a 3 rail diesels. I mentioned that "S" ( and REAL ) diesel > trucks turn independently of body parts. The Northern Pacific is the model > most likely to be seen in York. IF you see it, you might mention the part > about the steps and the trucks. > > The Challengers were on display as well & I checked out the track system, > the Chinese apparently don't know straight from curved, the straight track > is clearly marked " 10" curve by LIONEL". That brought a chuckle from > those assembled. At this point in time the track in light grey, period, ties, > ballast etc, ALL one color. NO idea if that will change, think it HAS to > to be competitive. Power feed appears to be same as "big brother O". > Mentioned that I thought there HAD to be more than # 3 switches offered also. > > Jim "drying slowly" Lyle > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66212	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America - mfg. locations

On 10/12/2011 8:12 PM, Roy Inman wrote: > Not that I am saying it couldn¹t happen, and obviously, George, when you win > the lottery you can spend it any way you wish. But, I wonder why if the ³ROI > could be incredible² another manufacturer has not done it? If the Chinese manufactures find it profitable, I'm sure someone in the US could as well. We are talking plastic injection and a bit of metal stamping. A facility like that could make anything. Also remember that AC Gilbert made household appliances as well as toys. I'm not talking about limiting it to toy trains but make anything that a company would throw at you. The problem seems to be that most companies look for the lowest cost per unit so quality suffers. If an American company could offer the type of quality control to make products that last forever, I think they could be successful. Look at how many AC Gilbert trains are still running. But wait, were used to a disposable society so make it as cheap as possible, make excuses when it breaks, and sell the consumer another one. Never mind! :-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66213	From: Robert Ahrens	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America - mfg. locations

Jim, with inflation, now you start with 5 million/// From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of WJJIM@... Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 9:48 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Made in America - mfg. locations I would think that IF those folks exist, they are already investing in Brazil, China and anywhere else the U S gov can't get at them. Kinda like "wanna make a million dollars in toy trains??? Start with TWO million dollars." Jim Lyle In a message dated 10/12/2011 9:33:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, anormal1@... <mailto:anormal1%40aol.com> writes: Now all we need is somebody with a few tens of millions of dollars to make the investment. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66214	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America - mfg. locations

There is some relationship between cost, selling price, and quality but it is not as absolute as some would believe. The attention and care that goes into the design of a product is probably the most significant component of quality. The quality of materials and manufacturing flow from the design and specifications and often do not add significantly to the final price of the product. The degree of involvement in the process on the part of the importer is critical. If you send an item from another scale, or maybe even just a few photos and a drawing, and say "make this in 3/16" Scale" you may find the results less than optimal. Even some of the larger players in the Model Railroad Industry seem to have minimal control over the execution of their product, leaving it to the vendor to figure it out. This doesn't always work out so well. The lack of quality control, poor product robustness and repairability are not so much a deliberate attempt to make the product cheaper than a sin of omission in not insuring that the design includes these elements. Things are left for engineers, no matter what their nationality, that do not fully understand the way the products are used over time.., and are not directed to do otherwise. I've seen O and S Scale product from a number of importers brought into our local hobbyshop for repair and the designs are literally a Chinese puzzle to get to components for replacement or repair. This impacts the long term durability of the product and should not be tolerated by the importers or the consumer. While Model Train manufacturing requires a degree of sophistication and tolerances in tooling and assembly that is very high, exceeded only by the medical and aerospace industries, it ain't rocket science. Many of the problems have been worked out, some by Lionel and American Flyer decades ago... but engineers are, by nature, impelled to design anew, and if not restrained will try to reinvent the wheel. Charlie Vlk Railroad Model Resources The problem seems to be that most companies look for the lowest cost per unit so quality suffers. If an American company could offer the type of quality control to make products that last forever, I think they could be successful. Look at how many AC Gilbert trains are still running. But wait, were used to a disposable society so make it as cheap as possible, make excuses when it breaks, and sell the consumer another one. Never mind! :-) George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66215	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America - mfg. locations

After close to 30 years running my own business I have observed that due to the K Mart / Walmart effect the majority of people have come to equate value strictly with low price. little, if any, consideration to length of service life or the quality of service provide.  Therefore, they get what they pay for.   Bob ________________________________ From: George Cohn <gwcohn@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Made in America - mfg. locations   On 10/12/2011 8:12 PM, Roy Inman wrote: > Not that I am saying it couldn¹t happen, and obviously, George, when you win > the lottery you can spend it any way you wish. But, I wonder why if the ³ROI > could be incredible² another manufacturer has not done it? If the Chinese manufactures find it profitable, I'm sure someone in the US could as well. We are talking plastic injection and a bit of metal stamping. A facility like that could make anything. Also remember that AC Gilbert made household appliances as well as toys. I'm not talking about limiting it to toy trains but make anything that a company would throw at you. The problem seems to be that most companies look for the lowest cost per unit so quality suffers. If an American company could offer the type of quality control to make products that last forever, I think they could be successful. Look at how many AC Gilbert trains are still running. But wait, were used to a disposable society so make it as cheap as possible, make excuses when it breaks, and sell the consumer another one. Never mind! :-) George Cohn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66216	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: gulf coast hobbies

does anyone out there, have an email address for art kimmel of gulf coast hobbies in pensacola, fl, he sent me an email, and i inadvertently deleted it, i tried to call his phone, but that has been disconnected, appreciate any assistance thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66217	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: Made in America - mfg. locations

On 10/13/2011 12:11 PM, robert hendrickson wrote: > After close to 30 years running my own business I have observed that due > to the K Mart / Walmart effect the majority of people have come to > equate value strictly with low price. little, if any, consideration to > length of service life or the quality of service provide. Therefore, > they get what they pay for. I was trying to avoid that for fear that it would sound like vendor bashing but that's extremely correct. And the "Big W" drove the last remaining American television set manufacture out of business because they could not reduce the cost per unit to what they wanted to pay. You can only reduce costs to a certain level before quality starts deteriorating due to the use of cheaper materials and shortcuts. I worked in a computer factory for about four years when I was younger and the production engineers were always pushing to reduce manufacturing costs, sometimes with disastrous results. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66218	From: Rusty	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: I'm lost, I need direction with some Flyer stuff

I have a NP 947 reefer and I need a black brake wheel for it. I also tried to get to Portlines but apparently their site is down. Yes, I am new to this AF thing and yes I am lost in the fog. I would like to get the repo boxes for some of the 900 series passenger cars also, any ideas?? Yes, I use to be a scale only guy, no Flyer, but things have changed J. Rustermier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66219	From: mel perry	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: I'm lost, I need direction with some Flyer stuff

hi traitor: i noticed that they down also, apparently they are switching isp's, becasue i ran across an outfit in fll, that claims to be hosting them now, anyway doug is at york this weekend, and will not be back until monday, anyway there alternates for you, try amato hobby supply (you can find the info at showcaseline.com under hobby shop listings, there is also another shop in new britian, ct they are also listed in showcaseline.com, another source is ssstrains.com, but his web site is a disaster, you be better off sending him an email, telling him what you need, there are also a half dozen oem's in oh and wi, you will have to comb thru ebay's af site to find them, all they deal in is parts, so that shouldn't be to difficult ________________________________ From: Rusty <thebrassbasher@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, October 13, 2011 3:27:56 PM Subject: [S-Trains] I'm lost, I need direction with some Flyer stuff I have a NP 947 reefer and I need a black brake wheel for it. I also tried to get to Portlines but apparently their site is down. Yes, I am new to this AF thing and yes I am lost in the fog. I would like to get the repo boxes for some of the 900 series passenger cars also, any ideas?? Yes, I use to be a scale only guy, no Flyer, but things have changed J. Rustermier [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66220	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Flyonel Track & Challengers

I went to the LIONEL booth today to check out the track. It IS T-rail, H-O style joiner, looks very bland and plain in it's present incarnation. The trailing truck on the new Challenger looks oversized in comparison to the drivers. Not sure that is a fair comparison, the trailing truck on a loco that size with the firebox it would have to have had to support the need for fire, it may be correct. ATLAS is apparently doing a very good presentation on layout building, going to sit-in tomorrow, see what I can learn. Maybe I need help-- _http://www.gartrain.com/PVMRPARADISE2011-2012.html_ (http://www.gartrain.com/PVMRPARADISE2011-2012.html) _http://www.gartrain.com/PEQUEA_VALLEY_TRAINS.html_ (http://www.gartrain.com/PEQUEA_VALLEY_TRAINS.html) We open Nov 26th with a TRAIN MEET & 3 operating layouts, $ 2.00 Adult admission, more later. Jim "it's raining AGAIN" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66221	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Re: I'm lost, I need direction with some Flyer stuff

Please email me seccia@....  I have both styles of the brakewheel for thre 947.  PA8963 Die cast metal and PA12C666 Plastic.  My website needs to be updated. Tom Seccia Triple "S" Supplies ________________________________ From: Rusty <thebrassbasher@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:27 PM Subject: [S-Trains] I'm lost, I need direction with some Flyer stuff   I have a NP 947 reefer and I need a black brake wheel for it. I also tried to get to Portlines but apparently their site is down. Yes, I am new to this AF thing and yes I am lost in the fog. I would like to get the repo boxes for some of the 900 series passenger cars also, any ideas?? Yes, I use to be a scale only guy, no Flyer, but things have changed J. Rustermier [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66222	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/13/2011
Subject: Made in America - mfg. locations

One manufacturer explained their "testing" to me yesterday after I suggested that the NTTM would be a perfect "test bed". How they had this done in China AND in their own facility here. I suggested that NTTM is the REAL WORLD, the trains stop and then they start again on pushbuttons, 6-12 volts ( maybe more in some cases ) to a stopped motor, a load behind the engine, etc. I'D BET the testing tracks don't do that, rather they go round and round ( remember RATT??? ) for hours at a time. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66223	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/14/2011
Subject: Marx Molds

Hi Folks, I just read a post on the Marx Trains list (many of those trains are the same scale as American Flyer S-Gauge stuff). It says that Joe's Trains has acquired the molds used by Ameritrains to produce Ne Marx a few years back. Is that our own Joe Haenn? Bill (happily working on a railroad with Flyer, Marx and more all in roughly 3/16ths scale size) -- Bill Porter South Florida

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66224	From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr	Date: 10/14/2011
Subject: Re: gulf coast hobbies

The last I have is: Sgauger@... Don Munsey, Jr fmg On 10/13/2011 2:45 PM, clipper841@... wrote: > > does anyone out there, have an email address for art kimmel of gulf > coast hobbies in > pensacola, fl, he sent me an email, and i inadvertently deleted it, i > tried to call his phone, > but that has been disconnected, appreciate any assistance > thanks > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66225	From: Bob C	Date: 10/14/2011
Subject: Future Layout Tours (So. Calif.)

Now that Layout Tour #27 is history I am working on the next Southern California layout tours. The Ventura-Santa Barbara Tour is November 19. This will include several layouts in western Simi Valley as well. A High Desert Tour (Hesperia and Victorville area) will take place in February 2012. Orange County tours are being planned for April and May 2012. Because of the large number of layouts in this area there probably will be separate tours on separate dates covering South Orange County, North Orange County and Central-West Orange County. Those of you with operating layouts in these areas are invited to participate. If you have friends with layouts give them a nudge and ask them to show their layouts. I can be contacted at: chiefbobbb@... As always, the tours are free and self-guided with maps available through the Model Railroads Of Southern California website. Bob Chaparro Moderator Model Railroads Of Southern California http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66226	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/14/2011
Subject: Re: gulf coast hobbies

Phone disconnected? Does not sound good. Mike From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 12:04 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] gulf coast hobbies The last I have is: mailto:Sgauger%40aol.com Don Munsey, Jr fmg On 10/13/2011 2:45 PM, mailto:clipper841%40att.net wrote: > > does anyone out there, have an email address for art kimmel of gulf > coast hobbies in > pensacola, fl, he sent me an email, and i inadvertently deleted it, i > tried to call his phone, > but that has been disconnected, appreciate any assistance > thanks > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66227	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 10/14/2011
Subject: S Scale details

I saw an ad for these folks in S Gaugian, looks like they have a lot of neat stuff for S http://modeltechstudios.com/ Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66228	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 10/14/2011
Subject: Re: gulf coast hobbies

problem solved with assistance, turns out there was an area code change On Oct 14, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > Phone disconnected? > > Does not sound good. > > Mike > > From: Don & Marsha Munsey Jr > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 12:04 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] gulf coast hobbies > > The last I have is: > mailto:Sgauger%40aol.com > Don Munsey, Jr > > fmg > > On 10/13/2011 2:45 PM, mailto:clipper841%40att.net wrote: > > > > does anyone out there, have an email address for art kimmel of gulf > > coast hobbies in > > pensacola, fl, he sent me an email, and i inadvertently deleted > it, i > > tried to call his phone, > > but that has been disconnected, appreciate any assistance > > thanks > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66229	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/14/2011
Subject: Doug Peck

Doug reported 0900 this date that his website & email came back up at midnight last night. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66230	From: R G	Date: 10/14/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel Track & Challengers

I also saw the challengers yesterday and today at the Lionel booth at York.  They also had one running on their display layout.  I thought that the locomotive as a whole is much better detailed and scale than the Big Boy. There are differences between them in addition to the smoke deflectors.  The ones with smoke deflectors have dual stacks, the ones with out have a single smoke stack.  The trucks did not appear oversize to me and the tender is much better in appearance, than the Big Boy.  The U33 shells on display looked great would like to see the entire locomotive.  The S scale fast track looked a lot like the S- Helper track in rail size and road bed appearance.  However the track was not production and the ties were the same color as the road bed.  S-Helper had a BOGO sale buy one get one free.  Of course I got more cars and locomotives.  Port Line hobbies had some of the 1/64 automobiles and trucks M2 I believe they are called.  Picked up four more for the lay out.  Picked up a nice Franklin loco cheap that is darn near new in appearance and runs great also.  Spent too much, had a great time, and I am looking forward to next spring. ________________________________ From: "WJJIM@..." <WJJIM@...> To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com; S-scale@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:09 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel Track & Challengers   I went to the LIONEL booth today to check out the track. It IS T-rail, H-O style joiner, looks very bland and plain in it's present incarnation. The trailing truck on the new Challenger looks oversized in comparison to the drivers. Not sure that is a fair comparison, the trailing truck on a loco that size with the firebox it would have to have had to support the need for fire, it may be correct. ATLAS is apparently doing a very good presentation on layout building, going to sit-in tomorrow, see what I can learn. Maybe I need help-- _http://www.gartrain.com/PVMRPARADISE2011-2012.html_ (http://www.gartrain.com/PVMRPARADISE2011-2012.html) _http://www.gartrain.com/PEQUEA_VALLEY_TRAINS.html_ (http://www.gartrain.com/PEQUEA_VALLEY_TRAINS.html) We open Nov 26th with a TRAIN MEET & 3 operating layouts, $ 2.00 Adult admission, more later. Jim "it's raining AGAIN" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66231	From: Bob	Date: 10/15/2011
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine Back Issue Clearance Sale Extended!

Good evening. Thanks to all who have taken advantage of the 1:64 Modeling Guide $1.99 back issue clearance sale. By popular request, the sale has been extended until October 31. While consolidating boxes of remaining back issues, I discovered several copies of two issues previously thought to be sold out: October and December, 1994 (Volume 2, Numbers 4 & 5, respectively). The back issue order form has been updated to include these issues. Also, the last copy of the Fall, 2010 issue (Volume 11, Number 3) has been sold. Supplies are getting lower by the day, so act fast! Bob Nalbone Editor & Publisher www.1-64ModelingGuide.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66232	From: Ray Puls	Date: 10/15/2011
Subject: Re: S Scale details

Thanks Brady this looks like a great site for a lot of S scenery and details. I do like the 3-D options available. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66233	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/15/2011
Subject: Conway Scenic Railroad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSTT79u-oE0 One of the trains pulling out, with a steam engine, on September 29. A very raining day, as we did ride another train through the notch, a 5.5 hour ride, in the dome car, in the dome, with them lunch in the dining car. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66234	From: johntech2004	Date: 10/15/2011
Subject: Rotary Coal Dumper in S

Well I have gotten the design off of the drawing paper and finally into the cad program for my rotary coal dumper in S gauge. The link below points to the pictures of the end face and the inside support bracket. The files are already to load into my cnc machine for the test run in MDF befor the final cut in PVC. http://tinyurl.com/45xdqdq If you would like a FREE, easy to use drawing program check the link below. It works in Windows, MAC and Linux. It is what I used to draw the dumper pieces. http://tinyurl.com/3dpfp33

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66235	From: rapidrail1	Date: 10/15/2011
Subject: Re: Marx Molds

Bill and all. (1) It is NOT Joe Haenn. This Joe is a fellow named Joe Bender. (2) He did not buy the Marx molds. They were owned by K-Line, then Lionel, now some Chinese factory. What he did buy was the Marx tin tooling etc. that was owned by Jim and Debbie Flynn in the 90s and then Ameritrains until they went out of business a couple of years ago. My guess is he will first sell the new old stock he bought in the deal, and then try to start producing tin trains again. Brave man in this economic climate. Hopefully he won't go to China for production. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > I just read a post on the Marx Trains list (many of those trains are the > same scale as American Flyer S-Gauge stuff). It says that Joe's Trains > has acquired the molds used by Ameritrains to produce Ne Marx a few > years back. Is that our own Joe Haenn? > > Bill (happily working on a railroad with Flyer, Marx and more all in > roughly 3/16ths scale size) > > -- > Bill Porter > South Florida >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66236	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 10/15/2011
Subject: Re: Conway Scenic Railroad

Nicely restored loco and varnish! Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To:, " " , "Steve Conard" , "Sheila Duffy" , , " " , "Ralph Loveless" Cc: Sent:Sat, 15 Oct 2011 09:03:02 -0400 Subject:[S-Trains] Conway Scenic Railroad   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSTT79u-oE0 [1] One of the trains pulling out, with a steam engine, on September 29. A very raining day, as we did ride another train through the notch, a 5.5 hour ride, in the dome car, in the dome, with them lunch in the dining car. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSTT79u-oE0 [2] mailto:mlmarmer@...?subject=Re%3A%20Conway%20Scenic%20Railroad [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Conway%20Scenic%20Railroad [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvMGpnNnU4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NjIzMwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTg2OTk1MTg-?act=reply&messageNum=66233 [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjdWdjYWtxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTg2OTk1MTg- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/66233;_ylc=X3oDMTM0MG9zazFqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NjIzMwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTg2OTk1MTgEdHBjSWQDNjYyMzM- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjOHVtcmJqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMTg2OTk1MTg- [8] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ [9] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15ou22kqq/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1318706718/L=a729e158-f752-11e0-b9c5-e7b1006ec4a3/B=3_rRDWKJiUw-/J=1318699518518056/K=h2WTOGc80X8GTSCi4G03A/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiNHJpM3VnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMxODY5OTUxOA-- [11] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [12] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [13] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [14] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66237	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/15/2011
Subject: Re: Conway Scenic Railroad

I have another short video of just the engine sitting, running, with smoke and sounds coming soon. Mike From: alizoo@... Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 2:03 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Conway Scenic Railroad Nicely restored loco and varnish! Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com To:, " " , "Steve Conard" , "Sheila Duffy" , , " " , "Ralph Loveless" Cc: Sent:Sat, 15 Oct 2011 09:03:02 -0400 Subject:[S-Trains] Conway Scenic Railroad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSTT79u-oE0 [1] One of the trains pulling out, with a steam engine, on September 29. A very raining day, as we did ride another train through the notch, a 5.5 hour ride, in the dome car, in the dome, with them lunch in the dining car. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSTT79u-oE0 [2] mailto:mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net?subject=Re%3A%20Conway%20Scenic%20Railroad [3] mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Conway%20Scenic%20Railroad [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvMGpnNnU4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NjIzMwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTg2OTk1MTg-?act=reply&messageNum=66233 [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjdWdjYWtxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTg2OTk1MTg- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/66233;_ylc=X3oDMTM0MG9zazFqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NjIzMwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTg2OTk1MTgEdHBjSWQDNjYyMzM- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjOHVtcmJqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMTg2OTk1MTg- [8] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ [9] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15ou22kqq/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1318706718/L=a729e158-f752-11e0-b9c5-e7b1006ec4a3/B=3_rRDWKJiUw-/J=1318699518518056/K=h2WTOGc80X8GTSCi4G03A/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiNHJpM3VnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMxODY5OTUxOA-- [11] mailto:mailto:S-Trains-traditional%40yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [12] mailto:mailto:S-Trains-digest%40yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [13] mailto:mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [14] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66238	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 10/15/2011
Subject: Re: Marx Molds

I always wondered about those Marx tin trains that Jim and Debbie Flynn produced. I'd love to hear the "real story" about the company--who supplied the money, etc. Their basic item was the Marx tin boxcar, which has the detail of a loaf of bread--wait! The loaf of bread has more! They cleverly made passenger cars, subway/elevated cars, trolleys, and boxcars with beer names, and just about anything else they could think of. But I kept asking myself: "Who wants this stuff?" The original Marx stuff was cheapie stuff when it came out, with little collector value, so why make more of this same stuff at much higher prices? I will admit that Marx collectors are a "different breed" (putting it nicely). You would always see great praise heaped upon Jim & Debbie Flynn in TCA publications--I still couldn't figure it out. I'm not surprised that they left the business. Steve Please note: message attached From: "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Marx Molds Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:32:05 -0000 ____________________________________________________________ 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4e9a0f0ee1108e99216st01duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66239	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/15/2011
Subject: Conway Scenic RR Steam Engine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNuvbOjyNRE The steam engine itself, idling with the steam and engine noises. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66240	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/15/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/16/2011, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 66241	From: Brady	Date: 10/15/2011
Subject: Re: Marx Molds

<< But I kept asking myself: "Who wants this stuff?" The original Marx stuff was cheapie stuff when it came out, with little collector value, so why make more of this same stuff at much higher prices? >> Steve, The new Marx locomotives have can motor drives, so that may speak for the motive power. The 20th Century limited passenger cars look pretty nice as do the Christmas cars. I suppose it's like the new-issue Flyer. I picked up a 715 auto unloader with a Manoil couple today at a show for $40, new-issue is much higher but it seems to sell. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66242	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/15/2011
Subject: Re: Marx Molds

LIONEL NEVER owned the K-Line anything, they had an arrangement with Sanda Khan to sell out the merchandise ( MILLIONS of dollars worth of it ) left over from Maury Kline days. The story is ( and believable ) that LIONEL did not/was not able to sell as much as was required, SO, the K-Line products have been RE-distributed. Look for NEW owners and sellers, NEW products, etc. BACHMANN, for instance, was displaying "Super Streets" and I know there is a demand for more of that. Jim Lyle In a message dated 10/15/2011 5:11:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, waynebeachy113@... writes: He did not buy the Marx molds. They were owned by K-Line, then Lionel, now some Chinese factory. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66243	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 10/15/2011
Subject: Re: Marx Molds

Deb and Jim are nice people - don't know what your diatribe is about. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:52:25 GMT Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Re: Marx Molds   I always wondered about those Marx tin trains that Jim and Debbie Flynn produced. I'd love to hear the "real story" about the company--who supplied the money, etc. Their basic item was the Marx tin boxcar, which has the detail of a loaf of bread--wait! The loaf of bread has more! They cleverly made passenger cars, subway/elevated cars, trolleys, and boxcars with beer names, and just about anything else they could think of. But I kept asking myself: "Who wants this stuff?" The original Marx stuff was cheapie stuff when it came out, with little collector value, so why make more of this same stuff at much higher prices? I will admit that Marx collectors are a "different breed" (putting it nicely). You would always see great praise heaped upon Jim & Debbie Flynn in TCA publications--I still couldn't figure it out. I'm not surprised that they left the business. Steve Please note: message attached From: "rapidrail1" To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Marx Molds Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:32:05 -0000 __________________________________________________________ 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4e9a0f0ee1108e99216st01duc [3] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:waynebeachy113%40comcast.net [2] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [3] http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4e9a0f0ee1108e99216st01duc [4] mailto:schwartzsj@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Re%3A%20Marx%20Molds [5] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Re%3A%20Marx%20Molds [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvcnZmY3U2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NjIzOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTg3MjE4MjI-?act=reply&messageNum=66238 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZTk1MWUzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTg3MjE4MjI- [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/66223;_ylc=X3oDMTM0bWRqZjV2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NjIzOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTg3MjE4MjIEdHBjSWQDNjYyMjM- [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNTlqNWd0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzE4NzIxODIy [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZ2w4NnNzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMTg3MjE4MjI- [11] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ [12] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15od4mg5g/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1318729022/L=95611a8e-f786-11e0-aadb-4b59f21ba7ac/B=dsSNDmKJiTI-/J=1318721822524863/K=mR60layE3nryPMd0elrFOA/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj [13] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiMG9rZjFzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMxODcyMTgyMg-- [14] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [15] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [16] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroupscom?subject=Unsubscribe [17] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66244	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 10/15/2011
Subject: Re: Conway Scenic RR Steam Engine

Like I said - lovely restoration. Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To:, " " , "Steve Conard" Cc: Sent:Sat, 15 Oct 2011 18:50:45 -0400 Subject:[S-Trains] Conway Scenic RR Steam Engine   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNuvbOjyNRE [1] The steam engine itself, idling with the steam and engine noises. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNuvbOjyNRE [2] mailto:mlmarmer@...?subject=Re%3A%20Conway%20Scenic%20RR%20Steam%20Engine [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Conway%20Scenic%20RR%20Steam%20Engine [4] http://groupsyahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvamNlaDFqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NjIzOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTg3MjE4Mjg-?act=reply&messageNum=66239 [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjdTBzdXYwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTg3MjE4Mjg- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/66239;_ylc=X3oDMTM0ZGxodWUxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NjIzOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTg3MjE4MjgEdHBjSWQDNjYyMzk- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkMml0Z2s0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzE4NzIxODI4 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZWV2bmRtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMTg3MjE4Mjg- [9] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ [10] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15o8dfkgq/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1318729028/L=99248fac-f786-11e0-955a-533104a5a3d8/B=yJAjCdBDRyM-/J=1318721828839044/K=HtFLsqResA.hkikBvYdB5w/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiNmYwYzUxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMxODcyMTgyOA-- [12] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [13] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [14] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66245	From: Herbert	Date: 10/16/2011
Subject: Re: Marx Molds

Exactly, Debbie was a sweetheart. The viciousness of the remarks is uncalled for, whether you like the or not. Herb W --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, alizoo@... wrote: > > Deb and Jim are nice people - don't know what your diatribe is about. > Alistair  > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > To: > Cc: > Sent:Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:52:25 GMT > Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Re: Marx Molds > >   > > I always wondered about those Marx tin trains that Jim and Debbie > Flynn produced. I'd love to hear the "real story" about the > company--who supplied the money, etc. Their basic item was the Marx > tin boxcar, which has the detail of a loaf of bread--wait! The loaf > of bread has more! They cleverly made passenger cars, subway/elevated > cars, trolleys, and boxcars with beer names, and just about anything > else they could think of. But I kept asking myself: "Who wants this > stuff?" The original Marx stuff was cheapie stuff when it came out, > with little collector value, so why make more of this same stuff at > much higher prices? I will admit that Marx collectors are a > "different breed" (putting it nicely). > > You would always see great praise heaped upon Jim & Debbie Flynn in > TCA publications--I still couldn't figure it out. I'm not surprised > that they left the business. > > Steve > > Please note: message attached > > From: "rapidrail1" > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Marx Molds > Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:32:05 -0000 > > __________________________________________________________ > 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 > Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4e9a0f0ee1108e99216st01duc > [3] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - > http://www.adam.com.au/ > > Links: > ------ > [1] mailto:waynebeachy113%40comcast.net > [2] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > [3] > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4e9a0f0ee1108e99216st01duc > [4] > mailto:schwartzsj@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Re%3A%20Marx%20Molds > [5] > mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Re%3A%20Marx%20Molds > [6] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvcnZmY3U2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NjIzOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTg3MjE4MjI-?act=reply&messageNum=66238 > [7] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZTk1MWUzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTg3MjE4MjI- > [8] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/66223;_ylc=X3oDMTM0bWRqZjV2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NjIzOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTg3MjE4MjIEdHBjSWQDNjYyMjM- > [9] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNTlqNWd0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzE4NzIxODIy > [10] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZ2w4NnNzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMTg3MjE4MjI- > [11] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ > [12] > http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15od4mg5g/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1318729022/L=95611a8e-f786-11e0-aadb-4b59f21ba7ac/B=dsSNDmKJiTI-/J=1318721822524863/K=mR60layE3nryPMd0elrFOA/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj > [13] > http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiMG9rZjFzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMxODcyMTgyMg-- > [14] > mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional > [15] > mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest > [16] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroupscom?subject=Unsubscribe > [17] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66246	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 10/16/2011
Subject: Marx 3/16" Equipment (was Marx Molds)

I also forgot to mention the new-issue litho 3/16" cars. Original Marx 3/16" cars are very nice, but the selection was limited. You could build a nice pike with Marx 3/16" equipment. Besides the freight cars, they did some very nice passenger cars. K-Line released one or two of the 3/16" steamers, and the original plastic E-7/8 diesels have good proportions and look very good when re-painted. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66247	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/16/2011
Subject: Inside the Dome Car

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2strZlpbrqo Short video from inside the Dome car, on a very rainy day on the Conway Scenic Railroad in September. The line had some wash outs from the hurricane that pass through NH and they got the track fixed. They where only closed for 1 to 2 weeks. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66248	From: Dale Smith	Date: 10/16/2011
Subject: Re: Marx Molds

I don't collect Marx per se. The only Marx items I have are old windup trains from my pre-flyer days (age 6 and under) and as a child, I thought Marx was junk, but recently I have started to see its appeal. This summer I saw some of the fine prewar litho cars running on a 3/16 O gauge flyer layout. The owner said he preferred the Marx freight cars to those made by Flyer because of the superior graphics, which was clearly the case. This was all before plastic molding and before spray masking was perfected to the state it is today. It has to be appreciated in the context of its times. Even the 4 wheel tinplate stuff I disdained as a child has its appeal for the nostalgia for that era. It filled a niche and enabled kids whose parents couldn't afford Flyer (or Lionel for that matter) to have a train set. Dale On 10/15/2011 3:52 PM, schwartzsj@... wrote: > > I always wondered about those Marx tin trains that Jim and Debbie > Flynn produced. I'd love to hear the "real story" about the > company--who supplied the money, etc. Their basic item was the Marx > tin boxcar, which has the detail of a loaf of bread--wait! The loaf of > bread has more! They cleverly made passenger cars, subway/elevated > cars, trolleys, and boxcars with beer names, and just about anything > else they could think of. But I kept asking myself: "Who wants this > stuff?" The original Marx stuff was cheapie stuff when it came out, > with little collector value, so why make more of this same stuff at > much higher prices? I will admit that Marx collectors are a "different > breed" (putting it nicely). > > You would always see great praise heaped upon Jim & Debbie Flynn in > TCA publications--I still couldn't figure it out. I'm not surprised > that they left the business. > > Steve > > > Please note: message attached > > From: "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@... > <mailto:waynebeachy113%40comcast.net>> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Marx Molds > Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:32:05 -0000 > > __________________________________________________________ > 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 > Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4e9a0f0ee1108e99216st01duc > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66249	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/16/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/16/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday October 16, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66250	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/16/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel Track & Challengers

I'm just catching up on things now that I'm back home, so I don't know if anyone followed up on this. I've seen several negative comments about the appearance of the FastTrack samples shown at York. Instead of reporting incorrect information, one could have simply asked about it at the display, as I did. These were pre-production samples only, and not in their finished form. NO....the ties are not going to be the same gray color as the surrounding ballast ! Look at their O-gauge FastTrack and you will have a good idea what the S will look like in its finished form. The FastTrack should deliver in the first quarter of 2012, if not sooner. Additional FastTrack components will appear in the February/March catalog next year. Also---- The Challengers----all 9 of them----are shipping to distributors right now! They should reach dealer level by mid-November. The Challengers apparently sold at a level comparable to similar engines in their O-gauge line.......now that's positive news! It is highly-unlikely that the Challengers will re-appear in another catalog.....they have already been cataloged three times. The U-boats are still delayed, along with the Tx Special, as there is difficulty getting all the desired components inside the engines, and this may (I did not say will !) require some scaling-back of electronic components. However, they still hope to deliver these in early 2012. The Defender sets are also delayed into 2012. The rumor-mill that spread the word that the two action cars in this set will not be operating cars is FALSE. They will be operating cars, and they will operate independently of each other, rather than in tandem. The circus cars will deliver in special Ringling Brothers Barnum & Bailey boxes, with minimal blue-&-yellow Am Flyer area shown. This was a requirement of RBB&B, and may make these boxes quite collectible, as they are in the O-gauge line. 2012 will see a new steam engine, and a new, modern diesel cataloged in the AF line. That's most of what I learned in my visit to the Lionel booth. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66251	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/16/2011
Subject: Port Lines' website & email

We apologize for this. While we were at York, our website and our email went down for about a day & a half. All corrected and operating as usual soon after we discovered it. And NO....we did not change isps ....totally unrelated cause! Why do folks have to spread incorrect explanations of things they have no idea about? <<<I also tried to get to Portlines but apparently their site is down.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66252	From: Frank	Date: 10/16/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel Track & Challengers

Great job Doug, it seems too many judge raw samples as a finished production product. Thanks for the true info, Frank Sent from my iPhone On Oct 16, 2011, at 4:27 PM, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > I'm just catching up on things now that I'm back home, so I don't know > if anyone followed up on this. > > I've seen several negative comments about the appearance of the > FastTrack samples shown at York. > > Instead of reporting incorrect information, one could have simply asked > about it at the display, as I did. > > These were pre-production samples only, and not in their finished form. > > NO....the ties are not going to be the same gray color as the > surrounding ballast ! > > Look at their O-gauge FastTrack and you will have a good idea what the S > will look like in its finished form. > > The FastTrack should deliver in the first quarter of 2012, if not > sooner. > > Additional FastTrack components will appear in the February/March > catalog next year. > > Also---- > > The Challengers----all 9 of them----are shipping to distributors right > now! > > They should reach dealer level by mid-November. > > The Challengers apparently sold at a level comparable to similar engines > in their O-gauge line.......now that's positive news! > > It is highly-unlikely that the Challengers will re-appear in another > catalog.....they have already been cataloged three times. > > The U-boats are still delayed, along with the Tx Special, as there is > difficulty getting all the desired components inside the engines, and > this may (I did not say will !) require some scaling-back of > electronic components. However, they still hope to deliver these in > early 2012. > > The Defender sets are also delayed into 2012. The rumor-mill that spread > the word that the two action cars in this set will not be operating cars > is FALSE. They will be operating cars, and they will operate > independently of each other, rather than in tandem. > > The circus cars will deliver in special Ringling Brothers Barnum & > Bailey boxes, with minimal blue-&-yellow Am Flyer area shown. This was a > requirement of RBB&B, and may make these boxes quite collectible, as > they are in the O-gauge line. > > 2012 will see a new steam engine, and a new, modern diesel cataloged in > the AF line. > > That's most of what I learned in my visit to the Lionel booth. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > doug@... > www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> > <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66253	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/16/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel Track & Challengers

My comments were NOT negative, a simple report of what I saw. The THREE LIONEL reps WITH the merchandise when I saw it had NO answer as to the final configuration. Jim Lyle In a message dated 10/16/2011 5:57:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, doug@... writes: NO....the ties are not going to be the same gray color as the surrounding ballast ! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66254	From: Roy Inman	Date: 10/16/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel Track & Challengers

Doug, I did not quite understand your comment about the Challengers. Are you saying that only 9 were sold, or that only 9 are on schedule for delivery? If only 9 are in the pipeline, any idea when the other howevermany are due? Roy From: Frank <femiro2002@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 18:22:16 -0400 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Flyonel Track & Challengers Great job Doug, it seems too many judge raw samples as a finished production product. Thanks for the true info, Frank Sent from my iPhone On Oct 16, 2011, at 4:27 PM, "Doug Peck" <doug@... <mailto:doug%40portlines.com> > wrote: > I'm just catching up on things now that I'm back home, so I don't know > if anyone followed up on this. > > I've seen several negative comments about the appearance of the > FastTrack samples shown at York. > > Instead of reporting incorrect information, one could have simply asked > about it at the display, as I did. > > These were pre-production samples only, and not in their finished form. > > NO....the ties are not going to be the same gray color as the > surrounding ballast ! > > Look at their O-gauge FastTrack and you will have a good idea what the S > will look like in its finished form. > > The FastTrack should deliver in the first quarter of 2012, if not > sooner. > > Additional FastTrack components will appear in the February/March > catalog next year. > > Also---- > > The Challengers----all 9 of them----are shipping to distributors right > now! > > They should reach dealer level by mid-November. > > The Challengers apparently sold at a level comparable to similar engines > in their O-gauge line.......now that's positive news! > > It is highly-unlikely that the Challengers will re-appear in another > catalog.....they have already been cataloged three times. > > The U-boats are still delayed, along with the Tx Special, as there is > difficulty getting all the desired components inside the engines, and > this may (I did not say will !) require some scaling-back of > electronic components. However, they still hope to deliver these in > early 2012. > > The Defender sets are also delayed into 2012. The rumor-mill that spread > the word that the two action cars in this set will not be operating cars > is FALSE. They will be operating cars, and they will operate > independently of each other, rather than in tandem. > > The circus cars will deliver in special Ringling Brothers Barnum & > Bailey boxes, with minimal blue-&-yellow Am Flyer area shown. This was a > requirement of RBB&B, and may make these boxes quite collectible, as > they are in the O-gauge line. > > 2012 will see a new steam engine, and a new, modern diesel cataloged in > the AF line. > > That's most of what I learned in my visit to the Lionel booth. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > doug@... <mailto:doug%40portlines.com> > www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> > <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66255	From: Ben	Date: 10/16/2011
Subject: Re: Wanted: SHS Flex track- Robert Graves...

Robert- I have 24 fairly complete pieces of used SHS flex track (close to the 40" stock length each) and four shorter pieces. New this looks like it would be over $200 on the S-Helper website. How about $100 plus actual shipping? This track was used but not used hard...it has some wire soldered on a few pieces and obviously some were cut at the solder joints. Let me know if this is of interest to you for your group's modules. Thanks! Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > Me, too.  Our club has plans for new modules, but needs track to implement them.  We'd appreciate any help you can give. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Jonathan Hatfield <jonathan@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 5:20 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Wanted: SHS Flex track > > >   > Looking for SHS flex track. Contact me off list. > > Regards, > Jonathan > > Blogs: http://RailfanX.blogspot.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/jonnyspeed > Linked In: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jhatfield > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66256	From: Doug Peck	Date: 10/17/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel Track & Challengers

Roy, Sorry...I should have included the word "roadnames"......all 9 roadnames are shipping. This is the complete production run, with no shortages that I am aware of. <<<I did not quite understand your comment about the Challengers. Are you saying that only 9 were sold, or that only 9 are on schedule for delivery? If only 9 are in the pipeline, any idea when the other however many are due?>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66257	From: rapidrail1	Date: 10/17/2011
Subject: Re: Marx Molds

I too agree. I met Debbie several times at York and talked with her many times on the phone. They also had a sister-in-law, Sandi, that did much of the phone work and was wonderful to talk with. Debbie once brought a photo of Sandi to York, but all the photo showed was a hand raised from behind a computer. Now for the trains. I was never a fan of the scale cars or old time cars. I had SHS and AM and other S for that. I bought the Marx 6" tin and the color, detail, and imagination on those were wonderful. I understand that Jim takes much credit for that. And the imagination and fantasy of items like their Christmas cars was much better than those of the other 3 rail manufacturer, even with Chinese labor. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Herbert" <hwass@...> wrote: > > Exactly, > Debbie was a sweetheart. The viciousness of the remarks is > uncalled for, whether you like the or not. > Herb W > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, alizoo@ wrote: > > > > Deb and Jim are nice people - don't know what your diatribe is about. > > Alistair  > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent:Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:52:25 GMT > > Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Re: Marx Molds > > > >   > > > > I always wondered about those Marx tin trains that Jim and Debbie > > Flynn produced. I'd love to hear the "real story" about the > > company--who supplied the money, etc. Their basic item was the Marx > > tin boxcar, which has the detail of a loaf of bread--wait! The loaf > > of bread has more! They cleverly made passenger cars, subway/elevated > > cars, trolleys, and boxcars with beer names, and just about anything > > else they could think of. But I kept asking myself: "Who wants this > > stuff?" The original Marx stuff was cheapie stuff when it came out, > > with little collector value, so why make more of this same stuff at > > much higher prices? I will admit that Marx collectors are a > > "different breed" (putting it nicely). > > > > You would always see great praise heaped upon Jim & Debbie Flynn in > > TCA publications--I still couldn't figure it out. I'm not surprised > > that they left the business. > > > > Steve > > > > Please note: message attached > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66258	From: Ray Puls	Date: 10/17/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel Track and Challengers

Doug, Thanks for the info on the track and the engines that Lionel is manufacturing for Flyer fans, and thanks for talking with the reps from Lionel. I realize that you may have better access to these people because of your being a dealer in the hobby, but you did ask and that got answers that I and I'm sure others were looking for. Answering a later question in this post, I am sure that the nine Challengers you mentioned were the nine different paint schemes that Lionel had cataloged not just a total of nine engines manufactured. Thanks for your insight. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66259	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/17/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel Track & Challengers

Thanks Doug for your informative and insightful report. When is the next Lionel catalog to be released? Before the end of 2011? Might we learn more about the new steamer and diesel in that? Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66260	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 10/17/2011
Subject: Wednesday at NTTM videos

LIONEL presentation will probably show the U-33-C & Challenger, check the others as well. Jim Lyle _http://www.tcamembers.org/netvision/index.htm_ (http://www.tcamembers.org/netvision/index.htm) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66261	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/17/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel Track and Challengers

Great summary, Doug! A few more tidbits that might be added: 1. Lionel is also working on some all new scale-sized rolling stock to go along with the new scale-sized locomotives. 2. A new contact shoe truck for the operating cars has been implemented. 3. I believe that we have extracted the promise of interiors for future issues of the newly tooled heavyweights. Not for the old Gilbert-style streamliners, however. We'll see. 4. The pre production sample of the U33C that I examined at York has one horizontal motor located over and partially in the belly fuel tank. Universals are used to drive the two trucks in the same manner as most HO and all AM and SHS diesels. The sample was the NP version, the picture for which is 'making the rounds'. Swinging pilots are part of the set up. At the Lionel booth in Orange Hall, Remy Convery informed me that this is the finalized configuration (along with Legacy features and electrocouplers) that are to be built and delivered in the next several months or so. 5. To repeat, the Challengers are really beautiful (and on the way). Bob Bubeck In a message dated 10/17/2011 6:25:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@yahoogroups.com writes: I'm just catching up on things now that I'm back home, so I don't know if anyone followed up on this. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66262	From: Ben	Date: 10/17/2011
Subject: AF stuff for sale...

I have the following for sale: PARTS/FOR PARTS: -23830 Piggyback unloader platform (frame only; no "tray")- $8 -592/600 crossing gate bases/electrical mechanisms (no gates/houses)- $8 (have 2) -577 whistling billboard- cracked/poor diecast frame/OB- $30 -734 operating boxcar- cracked shell, missing one door- $15 Prewar 565 tender with one good truck- $10 COMPLETE: -42597 (627) flat with girder (nice)- $20 Make offers if interested...no one at York did (make offers, I mean). Lots of lookers, no hagglers. Actual shipping at buyer's expense. Thanks! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66263	From: piccu56	Date: 10/18/2011
Subject: Re: AF stuff for sale...

That's has got to be frustrating not getting any offers even after all the effort needed to do the York meet. Ugh! Dave Visit my booth at Bonanza the best alternative to E-Bay. Type in OldToyTrains in the Search box. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote: > > I have the following for sale: > > PARTS/FOR PARTS: > -23830 Piggyback unloader platform (frame only; no "tray")- $8 > -592/600 crossing gate bases/electrical mechanisms (no gates/houses)- $8 (have 2) > -577 whistling billboard- cracked/poor diecast frame/OB- $30 > -734 operating boxcar- cracked shell, missing one door- $15 > Prewar 565 tender with one good truck- $10 > > COMPLETE: > -42597 (627) flat with girder (nice)- $20 > > Make offers if interested...no one at York did (make offers, I mean). Lots of lookers, no hagglers. Actual shipping at buyer's expense. > > Thanks! Ben >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66264	From: Richard Hosmer	Date: 10/19/2011
Subject: Re: Marx Molds

Dale, Was that the "under construction" layout in the antique store on the "North" tour from PCR-NMRA X2011? If so, it was mine, and I've been really happy with the Marx freight items. The coupler issue is solved by swapping tender trucks, though I haven't done one of the 6-wheel tenders yet. Have made some progress with modifying a Flyer uncoupler to handle Marx as well. It's getting very close but not yet foolproof. Fortunately, the added surface needed to cam the Marx lug over has zero negative impact on lifting the regular Flyer links. For passenger cars, however, I usually run die-cast Gilbert heavyweights, behind a Hudson or Northern. The passenger yard, and wye, are now fully operational but not ballasted. Freight yard (on the "E") and turntable are next. The convention was about a year too soon! Dick Hosmer . On Oct 16, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Dale Smith wrote: > I don't collect Marx per se. The only Marx items I have are old windup > trains from my pre-flyer days (age 6 and under) and as a child, I > thought Marx was junk, but recently I have started to see its appeal. > This summer I saw some of the fine prewar litho cars running on a 3/16 O > gauge flyer layout. The owner said he preferred the Marx freight cars > to those made by Flyer because of the superior graphics, which was > clearly the case. This was all before plastic molding and before spray > masking was perfected to the state it is today. It has to be > appreciated in the context of its times. Even the 4 wheel tinplate > stuff I disdained as a child has its appeal for the nostalgia for that > era. It filled a niche and enabled kids whose parents couldn't afford > Flyer (or Lionel for that matter) to have a train set. > > Dale > > On 10/15/2011 3:52 PM, schwartzsj@... wrote: >> >> I always wondered about those Marx tin trains that Jim and Debbie >> Flynn produced. I'd love to hear the "real story" about the >> company--who supplied the money, etc. Their basic item was the Marx >> tin boxcar, which has the detail of a loaf of bread--wait! The loaf of >> bread has more! They cleverly made passenger cars, subway/elevated >> cars, trolleys, and boxcars with beer names, and just about anything >> else they could think of. But I kept asking myself: "Who wants this >> stuff?" The original Marx stuff was cheapie stuff when it came out, >> with little collector value, so why make more of this same stuff at >> much higher prices? I will admit that Marx collectors are a "different >> breed" (putting it nicely). >> >> You would always see great praise heaped upon Jim & Debbie Flynn in >> TCA publications--I still couldn't figure it out. I'm not surprised >> that they left the business. >> >> Steve >> >> >> Please note: message attached >> >> From: "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@... >> <mailto:waynebeachy113%40comcast.net>> >> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Marx Molds >> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:32:05 -0000 >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 >> Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4e9a0f0ee1108e99216st01duc >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66265	From: wb4hay	Date: 10/19/2011
Subject: 125 and 148 rails

Fast Tracks does not make s gauge fixtures with 148 rail. What I am curious about is how much you would have to take the base of 148 rail down to get it to fit into the 125 fixture. Kelly Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66266	From: R G	Date: 10/19/2011
Subject: Re: 125 and 148 rails

Many moons ago when I was stationed in Michigan and belong to the South east Michigan S-Guage club we had moduals with either code 100 or code 125 rail.  To join the two we simply took the larger rail and filed it down to the base and solder the smaller rail to it ensuring that the height and inner surface were flush.  You could do the same thing.  I have joined American models track to S-Helper and the height difference is so little that a few swipes of a file leveled the rail tops. You could also just raise or lower the road bed or shim the track slighlty to make the rail tops even.  With such a small difference it would not be noticable. ________________________________ From: wb4hay <wb4hay@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 1:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 125 and 148 rails   Fast Tracks does not make s gauge fixtures with 148 rail. What I am curious about is how much you would have to take the base of 148 rail down to get it to fit into the 125 fixture. Kelly Johnson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66267	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 10/19/2011
Subject: Classic Flyer Forsale

Good afternoon members.  I have added 5 American Flyer train items on my website www.americanflyertrains4u.com that you may have an interest in for your layout.   A 566 Whistling Billboard in excellent condition  @  $50.00 (no box). A nice 466 Comet Diesel @ $200.00. A K325 NYC Hudson with 4 cars in Set K5206W, @ $354.00  This 4 car set comes with the rare Red Caboose.  (no boxes) Another K325 Hudson @ $220.00 And, a Lionel/AF Alco ERIE trio, PA/PB/PA @ $275.00 (Boxes in fair condition).    Thanks and have a great day.   Bob   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66268	From: John Degnan	Date: 10/19/2011
Subject: S Scale Yahoo Group List UPDATE

Here is an update to the list I posted the other day... five new groups I was not aware of have been referenced and two that I forgot were added. There are 28 groups : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/1-64ModelingGuidePopValve http://groups.yahoo.com/group/1-64th-Scale_SIG http://groups.yahoo.com/group/64VintageVehicles http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AtlanticCoastSGaugers (One I missed) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/finescale64 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Free-moS http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nasgmembers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/one64brass http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Proto64 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Highlights http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Mod http://groups.yahoo.com/group/s-modular http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-NewsLine http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S_Scale_List http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S_Scale_Traction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/showcaseline http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sn2_Trains http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sn3 (New) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sn3list (New) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sn42 (New) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sn42_Conspiracy_Group (New) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SSPM http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SSTOT (One I missed) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NWNG-Sn3Group (New) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Southeastern_ScaleS_modular_layout http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sscalemodelrailroading Not all of these groups appear to be active. The ACSG group for instance appears to be dead, yet still listed on Yahoo. I've tried to join that group at least 5 times in the past 3 years, but there doesn't seem to be anyone at the helm. If anyone reading this is still a member of the ACSG group, would you please post a message to the group and try to find out who is in charge? Or better yet, take a look at the member list and find out who is the group owner. I am a member of the ACSG (club) (http://www.trainweb.org/acsg) (GA Div.) with Robert (Bob) Lacheen (GA Div.) and Wayne Beachy (VA Div.), so I would like to revive the Yahoo group. I appreciate everyone who has helped me update this list. Keep that info coming. John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66269	From: johntech	Date: 10/20/2011
Subject: Looking for parts

I have one of the rare #2373 Track Maintenance cars. I am looking for a used or broken piece that has the drive gears in tact. I know Steve at SNS can revamp it with a DC CAN motor but this one is in really good shape except for the spur gear on the axel is shot. I don't want to "Frankenstein" it just yet. Does anyone have spare gears for this or know of anyone who could possibly make a gear for me? Thanks John Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66270	From: earl.carlsen@att.net	Date: 10/20/2011
Subject: Fall S Fest C U THERE

Earl, We can provide a meeting room for the group on Friday Evening, from 8:30 pm until no later than 10:00 pm. All the rooms are in a secured area, and limited solely to FSF-2011 Registrants with FSF-2011 Name Badges. The FSF-2011 Registration Packets will be available for pickup after 1:00 pm on Friday (10/28/2011). It's just for the fun of it!!! Moe Berk --- On Tue, 10/18/11, Carlsen, Earl W USA Moe, Is there an evening / room available at this S fest For the Flyer - Scale yahoo group members to meet & greet, and perhaps have a S gauge dialogue session? Is there already a plan in place? Looking forward for any help!! Earl W. Carlsen SMSG Treasurer Scale - flyer yahoo group member Friend of all things S.....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66271	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/20/2011
Subject: S scale Yahoo groups lists update

Many of the Yahoo Groups are dead, inactive, barely active, etc. And it's not just in S gauge! I've found dead, inactive, or barely active Groups in every scale and gauge listed on Yahoo, as well as model car and slot car Groups. It seems that anybody can create a Yahoo Group, but nobody can get rid of them! Think how many of these worthless Groups there are among all the listings of Yahoo groups there are! That's lots of dead space being maintained. It sure would be nice to know which ones are active and which ones are not! Perhaps it would be better if Yahoo automatically dropped a Group once there is no activity after three months. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66272	From: R G	Date: 10/20/2011
Subject: Re: S scale Yahoo groups lists update

I have seen that also, and it would be nice it they were cleaned up. But I have notice that when it come to S-Scale this board and the ORG forum seem to have the most activity.  CTT is mostly O guage and while I am on it occasionaly I find the information here and the ORG forum the most interesting and current. ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 11:11 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update   Many of the Yahoo Groups are dead, inactive, barely active, etc. And it's not just in S gauge! I've found dead, inactive, or barely active Groups in every scale and gauge listed on Yahoo, as well as model car and slot car Groups. It seems that anybody can create a Yahoo Group, but nobody can get rid of them! Think how many of these worthless Groups there are among all the listings of Yahoo groups there are! That's lots of dead space being maintained. It sure would be nice to know which ones are active and which ones are not! Perhaps it would be better if Yahoo automatically dropped a Group once there is no activity after three months. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66273	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/20/2011
Subject: Re: S scale Yahoo groups lists update

That applies to many non train list, as I am on and own a few in the world of music. No activity, mainly because it is up to people to write in. One train list I was on, collectable train paper, like instruction sheets, etc. is being taken down this weekend by the owner due to lack of activity. Mike From: mrstumpy50 Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 11:11 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update Many of the Yahoo Groups are dead, inactive, barely active, etc. And it's not just in S gauge! I've found dead, inactive, or barely active Groups in every scale and gauge listed on Yahoo, as well as model car and slot car Groups. It seems that anybody can create a Yahoo Group, but nobody can get rid of them! Think how many of these worthless Groups there are among all the listings of Yahoo groups there are! That's lots of dead space being maintained. It sure would be nice to know which ones are active and which ones are not! Perhaps it would be better if Yahoo automatically dropped a Group once there is no activity after three months. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66274	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/20/2011
Subject: Re: S scale Yahoo groups lists update

RG, Funny that I was just on the ORG forum as a saved webpage from that site someone sent me, had some neat pictures of real trains in Chicago, 1970 with the long gone diesels. Pictures where great. Sad to see that link is gone, But I am not a member of the ORG as I notice the link for a S list on it, as I thought they where just strictly O. So, you recommend joining the S part of it? Mike From: R G Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:21 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update I have seen that also, and it would be nice it they were cleaned up. But I have notice that when it come to S-Scale this board and the ORG forum seem to have the most activity. CTT is mostly O guage and while I am on it occasionaly I find the information here and the ORG forum the most interesting and current. ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 11:11 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update Many of the Yahoo Groups are dead, inactive, barely active, etc. And it's not just in S gauge! I've found dead, inactive, or barely active Groups in every scale and gauge listed on Yahoo, as well as model car and slot car Groups. It seems that anybody can create a Yahoo Group, but nobody can get rid of them! Think how many of these worthless Groups there are among all the listings of Yahoo groups there are! That's lots of dead space being maintained. It sure would be nice to know which ones are active and which ones are not! Perhaps it would be better if Yahoo automatically dropped a Group once there is no activity after three months. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66275	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 10/20/2011
Subject: Re: S scale Yahoo groups lists update

ORG? Alistair  ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To:"S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" Cc: Sent:Thu, 20 Oct 2011 09:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject:Re: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update   I have seen that also, and it would be nice it they were cleaned up. But I have notice that when it come to S-Scale this board and the ORG forum seem to have the most activity.  CTT is mostly O guage and while I am on it occasionaly I find the information here and the ORG forum the most interesting and current. ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 11:11 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update   Many of the Yahoo Groups are dead, inactive, barely active, etc. And it's not just in S gauge! I've found dead, inactive, or barely active Groups in every scale and gauge listed on Yahoo, as well as model car and slot car Groups. It seems that anybody can create a Yahoo Group, but nobody can get rid of them! Think how many of these worthless Groups there are among all the listings of Yahoo groups there are! That's lots of dead space being maintained. It sure would be nice to know which ones are active and which ones are not! Perhaps it would be better if Yahoo automatically dropped a Group once there is no activity after three months. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net [2] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [3] mailto:keyhole_corona@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20RE%3AS%20scale%20Yahoo%20groups%20lists%20update [4] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroupscom?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20RE%3AS%20scale%20Yahoo%20groups%20lists%20update [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvYzg1ZWl2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NjI3MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTkxMjg0OTg-?act=reply&messageNum=66272 [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjbTFnaHNoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTkxMjg0OTg- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/66271;_ylc=X3oDMTM0czZtM3FxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NjI3MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTkxMjg0OTgEdHBjSWQDNjYyNzE- [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkaHVkazN1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzE5MTI4NDk4?o=6 [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkMTgxNjN0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzE5MTI4NDk4 [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjNjM0cm92BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMTkxMjg0OTg- [11] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ [12] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15oj53pmt/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1319135698/L=732682a4-fb39-11e0-95ff-ab81a756576d/B=IxfbEWKJiTc-/J=1319128498492278/K=z3U9PdM7DYIMiOJ60.44GA/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj [13] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiNnRpcXN0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMxOTEyODQ5OA-- [14] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [15] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [16] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [17] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66276	From: R G	Date: 10/20/2011
Subject: Re: S scale Yahoo groups lists update

Absolutely, I found it by accident and even though I do not subscribe to ORG I am on the forum.  My Forum name is "Major".  It is a great site with alot of updates!  ________________________________ From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update   RG, Funny that I was just on the ORG forum as a saved webpage from that site someone sent me, had some neat pictures of real trains in Chicago, 1970 with the long gone diesels. Pictures where great. Sad to see that link is gone, But I am not a member of the ORG as I notice the link for a S list on it, as I thought they where just strictly O. So, you recommend joining the S part of it? Mike From: R G Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:21 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update I have seen that also, and it would be nice it they were cleaned up. But I have notice that when it come to S-Scale this board and the ORG forum seem to have the most activity. CTT is mostly O guage and while I am on it occasionaly I find the information here and the ORG forum the most interesting and current. ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 11:11 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update Many of the Yahoo Groups are dead, inactive, barely active, etc. And it's not just in S gauge! I've found dead, inactive, or barely active Groups in every scale and gauge listed on Yahoo, as well as model car and slot car Groups. It seems that anybody can create a Yahoo Group, but nobody can get rid of them! Think how many of these worthless Groups there are among all the listings of Yahoo groups there are! That's lots of dead space being maintained. It sure would be nice to know which ones are active and which ones are not! Perhaps it would be better if Yahoo automatically dropped a Group once there is no activity after three months. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66277	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/20/2011
Subject: Re: S scale Yahoo groups lists update

RG, Thanks, as I remember you telling me once you are retired military. Will have to look into joining that, But you would think we get all the S stuff we need just right here? Just kidding. Well for BG, my AF Lionel converted action car with a bad truck that I fixed a while ago, fell apart on me today. I got a lot of epoxy on it now and I did not get glue all over the car either. LOL A miracle. I think this might just do it now for life or else! Mike From: R G Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:43 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update Absolutely, I found it by accident and even though I do not subscribe to ORG I am on the forum. My Forum name is "Major". It is a great site with alot of updates! ________________________________ From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update RG, Funny that I was just on the ORG forum as a saved webpage from that site someone sent me, had some neat pictures of real trains in Chicago, 1970 with the long gone diesels. Pictures where great. Sad to see that link is gone, But I am not a member of the ORG as I notice the link for a S list on it, as I thought they where just strictly O. So, you recommend joining the S part of it? Mike From: R G Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:21 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update I have seen that also, and it would be nice it they were cleaned up. But I have notice that when it come to S-Scale this board and the ORG forum seem to have the most activity. CTT is mostly O guage and while I am on it occasionaly I find the information here and the ORG forum the most interesting and current. ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 11:11 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update Many of the Yahoo Groups are dead, inactive, barely active, etc. And it's not just in S gauge! I've found dead, inactive, or barely active Groups in every scale and gauge listed on Yahoo, as well as model car and slot car Groups. It seems that anybody can create a Yahoo Group, but nobody can get rid of them! Think how many of these worthless Groups there are among all the listings of Yahoo groups there are! That's lots of dead space being maintained. It sure would be nice to know which ones are active and which ones are not! Perhaps it would be better if Yahoo automatically dropped a Group once there is no activity after three months. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66278	From: carl4flyer	Date: 10/20/2011
Subject: ORG ? OGR!

It is OGR Not ORG. It is the O Gauge Railroading Magazine's forum at: http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x An excellent forum that has a S-Gauge section too. Carl --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote: > > Absolutely, I found it by accident and even though I do not subscribe to ORG I am on the forum.  My Forum name is "Major".  It is a great site with alot of updates!  >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66279	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/20/2011
Subject: Re: ORG ? OGR!

Thanks Carl, as I thought that was not right, but was not sure. Mike From: carl4flyer Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 5:31 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] ORG ? OGR! It is OGR Not ORG. It is the O Gauge Railroading Magazine's forum at: http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x An excellent forum that has a S-Gauge section too. Carl --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote: > > Absolutely, I found it by accident and even though I do not subscribe to ORG I am on the forum. My Forum name is "Major".  It is a great site with alot of updates! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66280	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/20/2011
Subject: Re: S scale Yahoo groups lists update

Hi Mike, Put so much epoxy on it that it can't roll and then you might have it finally fixed - lol!!!! BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > RG, > Thanks, as I remember you telling me once you are retired military. > > Will have to look into joining that, > > But you would think we get all the S stuff we need just right here? Just kidding. > > Well for BG, my AF Lionel converted action car with a bad truck that I fixed a while ago, fell apart on me today. I got a lot of epoxy on it now and I did not get glue all over the car either. LOL A miracle. > > I think this might just do it now for life or else! > > Mike > > From: R G > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:43 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update > > > Absolutely, I found it by accident and even though I do not subscribe to ORG I am on the forum. My Forum name is "Major". It is a great site with alot of updates! > > ________________________________ > From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:51 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update > > > RG, > > Funny that I was just on the ORG forum as a saved webpage from that site someone sent me, had some neat pictures of real trains in Chicago, 1970 with the long gone diesels. Pictures where great. Sad to see that link is gone, But I am not a member of the ORG as I notice the link for a S list on it, as I thought they where just strictly O. > > So, you recommend joining the S part of it? > > Mike > > From: R G > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:21 PM > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update > > I have seen that also, and it would be nice it they were cleaned up. But I have notice that when it come to S-Scale this board and the ORG forum seem to have the most activity. CTT is mostly O guage and while I am on it occasionaly I find the information here and the ORG forum the most interesting and current. > > ________________________________ > From: mrstumpy50 <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 11:11 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update > > Many of the Yahoo Groups are dead, inactive, barely active, etc. And it's not just in S gauge! I've found dead, inactive, or barely active Groups in every scale and gauge listed on Yahoo, as well as model car and slot car Groups. > It seems that anybody can create a Yahoo Group, but nobody can get rid of them! Think how many of these worthless Groups there are among all the listings of Yahoo groups there are! That's lots of dead space being maintained. > It sure would be nice to know which ones are active and which ones are not! Perhaps it would be better if Yahoo automatically dropped a Group once there is no activity after three months. > Stumpy in Ahia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66281	From: Brady	Date: 10/20/2011
Subject: Re: Wednesday at NTTM videos

The Wardie jay presentation shows an S gauge tankcar they are offering, along with S gauge wood ties The Dallee presentation shows some nice electronics Brady Burdge --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > LIONEL presentation will probably show the U-33-C & Challenger, check the > others as well. > > Jim Lyle > > _http://www.tcamembers.org/netvision/index.htm_ > (http://www.tcamembers.org/netvision/index.htm) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66282	From: John Degnan	Date: 10/20/2011
Subject: Re: S Scale Yahoo Group List UPDATE - 29

Make that 29 groups; add the following group to the list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/houston_s Do I hear 30? Going once... John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66283	From: piccu56	Date: 10/21/2011
Subject: Re: S scale Yahoo groups lists update

OGR forums are OK. Just be aware that there are testy postee's there who think they know everything just like on any other forum, and the web master in my opinion is not people friendly and is quick to delete posts, even good ones, without giving any notice. The S Gauge forum is slow with sporadic postings occasionally. Dave Visit my booth at Bonanza the best alternative to E-Bay. Type in OldToyTrains in the Search box. I sell Plasticville, Lionel, and American Flyer. Also, visit my Plasticville web site www.PlasticvilleKitsForSale.webs.com for all of your Plasticville needs. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Many of the Yahoo Groups are dead, inactive, barely active, etc. And it's not just in S gauge! I've found dead, inactive, or barely active Groups in every scale and gauge listed on Yahoo, as well as model car and slot car Groups. > It seems that anybody can create a Yahoo Group, but nobody can get rid of them! Think how many of these worthless Groups there are among all the listings of Yahoo groups there are! That's lots of dead space being maintained. > It sure would be nice to know which ones are active and which ones are not! Perhaps it would be better if Yahoo automatically dropped a Group once there is no activity after three months. > Stumpy in Ahia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66284	From: Dave	Date: 10/21/2011
Subject: KIT BASHED ENGINE & TENDER UNITS

Hello All, Well we finally did it. By popular request from members of this group we have started a section at our web site to sell some of our KIT BASHED AF STEAMERS.For all that are interested please use the link below: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/-HO--DECALS.html For those of you that may want us to include your KIT BASHED AF STEAMERS (either for sale or just for show) on this page please contact us OFF GROUP. Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS FOR "S" items. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66285	From: jtkeating	Date: 10/21/2011
Subject: Wanted:0-8-0 Boiler Front

I am looking for a boiler front for an AF 0-8-0 steam locomotive. Must be complete with spring clips, bulb socket and visor on headlight. Please respond off-list. Thank You in advance. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66286	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/21/2011
Subject: Re: SHS sale, buy one get one for free...

Mike and I have decided to extend the sale we had at the York TCA meet last week to our S e-group members. You can order online but you need to indicate you are taking part in our sale by adding "Sale" or "York Sale" or "Buy 1, get one Free" in the comments box of the check out page. Or you can call us on Monday at 732-441-0555. This add is for in stock SHS items only and includes freight cars, switchers and track. You can split items, but the higher priced item is always the one that is purchased. On the switchers for DCC Tsunami sound, you have to add $100 per unit. We are also including a sale for our 2-8-0 of 30% off for the LocoMatic version ($419.95 vs. 599.95) The DCC Tsunami sound version is $100 more or $519.95). Bill Clark has updated our website with the latest order form and SHS Update. This offer does not include layaways. Shipping is bases on the MSRP of items in the shopping cart, and not the sub-total. Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66287	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/21/2011
Subject: Off To Michaels

I am off to Michaels with my 40% off coupon on one item to buy more epoxy glue to fix ALL FOUR broken trucks on my AF by Lionel Action Erie box car, the reproduction of the AF Erie action box car. The below is what I wrote to some in private as only one truck broke. The other trucks decided it was time to break too. Yesterday, I had a AF Lionel Truck break again for the 3rd time, so I got a big wad of epoxy on the very fine design by those wacky Lionel engineers, wonder if they are train engineers or real design engineers where you have to go to college or something like that to learn how to make train trucks on Lionel AF that fall apart when the consumer buys this product. This is one of my few Lionel items I run on the layout, as it is my action Erie Reproduction box car. sheesh, I should of gotten a 957, 974 or a 25042 ORIGINAL AF Erie box car as trucks on old AF does not fall apart, even after they are 50 years old. thank goodness I have the SHS wheels in the truck marked inside on which is the pick up wheel since you have no idea if you do a electrical test on the track. I may never return as it might be like a vortex in Michaels. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66288	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 10/21/2011
Subject: Re: Off To Michaels

Not good enougth - I think you are right - they must study how to design in failure at an early stage. BTW  Michael - I like your postings but will you (and half the English speaking people in the world) please start using "have" instead of the incorrect "of" when giving the full version of "Should've". It is "Should have" not "Should of". But like I say you are not alone . Keep up the fun! Alistair. ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To:, " " , "Steve Conard" , " " Cc: Sent:Fri, 21 Oct 2011 18:40:28 -0400 Subject:[S-Trains] Off To Michaels   I am off to Michaels with my 40% off coupon on one item to buy more epoxy glue to fix ALL FOUR broken trucks on my AF by Lionel Action Erie box car, the reproduction of the AF Erie action box car. The below is what I wrote to some in private as only one truck broke. The other trucks decided it was time to break too. Yesterday, I had a AF Lionel Truck break again for the 3rd time, so I got a big wad of epoxy on the very fine design by those wacky Lionel engineers, wonder if they are train engineers or real design engineers where you have to go to college or something like that to learn how to make train trucks on Lionel AF that fall apart when the consumer buys this product. This is one of my few Lionel items I run on the layout, as it is my action Erie Reproduction box car. sheesh, I should of gotten a 957, 974 or a 25042 ORIGINAL AF Erie box car as trucks on old AF does not fall apart, even after they are 50 years old. thank goodness I have the SHS wheels in the truck marked inside on which is the pick up wheel since you have no idea if you do a electrical test on the track. I may never return as it might be like a vortex in Michaels. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,____ Reply to sender [1] | Reply to group [2] | Reply via web post [3] | Start a New Topic [4] Messages in this topic [5] (1) Recent Activity: * New Members [6] 2 * New Photos [7] 3 Visit Your Group [8] Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [9] MARKETPLACE Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. [10] [11] Switch to: Text-Only [12], Daily Digest [13] • Unsubscribe [14] • Terms of Use [15] . ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:mlmarmer@...?subject=Re%3A%20Off%20To%20Michaels [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Off%20To%20Michaels [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvaDVxNzBwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NjI4NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTkyNDI3NDM-?act=reply&messageNum=66287 [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjcDExZTQ3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTkyNDI3NDM- [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/66287;_ylc=X3oDMTM0MjFscjhzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NjI4NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTkyNDI3NDMEdHBjSWQDNjYyODc- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkcGtkMTFhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzE5MjQyNzQz?o=6 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkbW1qOTM2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzE5MjQyNzQz [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZjhhamRrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMTkyNDI3NDM- [9] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ [10] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15o9f39hf/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1319249944/L=72c50e88-fc43-11e0-bad8-cf199e38fbbf/B=DWO3EkoGYmY-/J=1319242744046079/K=d.G2AGno9vqnIM9atjByhA/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiZ3YxMTdmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMxOTI0Mjc0Mw-- [12] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [13] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [14] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66289	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/21/2011
Subject: Re: Off To Michaels

Thanks about the Lionel. Sorry about the grammar, as I never said I was perfect in writing. Sorry, not much I can do about that as my brain is very small. Mike From: alizoo@... Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 9:36 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Off To Michaels Not good enougth - I think you are right - they must study how to design in failure at an early stage. BTW Michael - I like your postings but will you (and half the English speaking people in the world) please start using "have" instead of the incorrect "of" when giving the full version of "Should've". It is "Should have" not "Should of". But like I say you are not alone . Keep up the fun! Alistair. ----- Original Message ----- From:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com To:, " " , "Steve Conard" , " " Cc: Sent:Fri, 21 Oct 2011 18:40:28 -0400 Subject:[S-Trains] Off To Michaels I am off to Michaels with my 40% off coupon on one item to buy more epoxy glue to fix ALL FOUR broken trucks on my AF by Lionel Action Erie box car, the reproduction of the AF Erie action box car. The below is what I wrote to some in private as only one truck broke. The other trucks decided it was time to break too. Yesterday, I had a AF Lionel Truck break again for the 3rd time, so I got a big wad of epoxy on the very fine design by those wacky Lionel engineers, wonder if they are train engineers or real design engineers where you have to go to college or something like that to learn how to make train trucks on Lionel AF that fall apart when the consumer buys this product. This is one of my few Lionel items I run on the layout, as it is my action Erie Reproduction box car. sheesh, I should of gotten a 957, 974 or a 25042 ORIGINAL AF Erie box car as trucks on old AF does not fall apart, even after they are 50 years old. thank goodness I have the SHS wheels in the truck marked inside on which is the pick up wheel since you have no idea if you do a electrical test on the track. I may never return as it might be like a vortex in Michaels. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,____ Reply to sender [1] | Reply to group [2] | Reply via web post [3] | Start a New Topic [4] Messages in this topic [5] (1) Recent Activity: * New Members [6] 2 * New Photos [7] 3 Visit Your Group [8] Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [9] MARKETPLACE Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. [10] [11] Switch to: Text-Only [12], Daily Digest [13] • Unsubscribe [14] • Terms of Use [15] . ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net?subject=Re%3A%20Off%20To%20Michaels [2] mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Off%20To%20Michaels [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvaDVxNzBwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NjI4NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTkyNDI3NDM-?act=reply&messageNum=66287 [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjcDExZTQ3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTkyNDI3NDM- [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/66287;_ylc=X3oDMTM0MjFscjhzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NjI4NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTkyNDI3NDMEdHBjSWQDNjYyODc- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkcGtkMTFhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzE5MjQyNzQz?o=6 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkbW1qOTM2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzE5MjQyNzQz [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZjhhamRrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMTkyNDI3NDM- [9] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ [10] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15o9f39hf/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1319249944/L=72c50e88-fc43-11e0-bad8-cf199e38fbbf/B=DWO3EkoGYmY-/J=1319242744046079/K=d.G2AGno9vqnIM9atjByhA/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiZ3YxMTdmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMxOTI0Mjc0Mw-- [12] mailto:mailto:S-Trains-traditional%40yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [13] mailto:mailto:S-Trains-digest%40yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [14] mailto:mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66290	From: Lon Walker	Date: 10/21/2011
Subject: Re: Off To Michaels

Hi Alister,      Do I detect a retired school teacher?  I was reluctant to start up with any group for fear of showing my ignorance. After seeing some of the things on the net, I have relaxed some. I know I make mistakes at times but I think most of the time it can be understood.  My pet peeve is when people say pitcher when they mean picture. My college educated boss says pitcher all the time and I have to bite my tongue to keep from correcting her.   Keep up the fun with trains of any kind!   Lon Walker  ________________________________ From: "alizoo@..." <alizoo@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Off To Michaels   Not good enougth - I think you are right - they must study how to design in failure at an early stage. BTW  Michael - I like your postings but will you (and half the English speaking people in the world) please start using "have" instead of the incorrect "of" when giving the full version of "Should've". It is "Should have" not "Should of". But like I say you are not alone . Keep up the fun! Alistair. ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To:, " " , "Steve Conard" , " " Cc: Sent:Fri, 21 Oct 2011 18:40:28 -0400 Subject:[S-Trains] Off To Michaels   I am off to Michaels with my 40% off coupon on one item to buy more epoxy glue to fix ALL FOUR broken trucks on my AF by Lionel Action Erie box car, the reproduction of the AF Erie action box car. The below is what I wrote to some in private as only one truck broke. The other trucks decided it was time to break too. Yesterday, I had a AF Lionel Truck break again for the 3rd time, so I got a big wad of epoxy on the very fine design by those wacky Lionel engineers, wonder if they are train engineers or real design engineers where you have to go to college or something like that to learn how to make train trucks on Lionel AF that fall apart when the consumer buys this product. This is one of my few Lionel items I run on the layout, as it is my action Erie Reproduction box car. sheesh, I should of gotten a 957, 974 or a 25042 ORIGINAL AF Erie box car as trucks on old AF does not fall apart, even after they are 50 years old. thank goodness I have the SHS wheels in the truck marked inside on which is the pick up wheel since you have no idea if you do a electrical test on the track. I may never return as it might be like a vortex in Michaels. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,____ Reply to sender [1] | Reply to group [2] | Reply via web post [3] | Start a New Topic [4] Messages in this topic [5] (1) Recent Activity: * New Members [6] 2 * New Photos [7] 3 Visit Your Group [8] Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [9] MARKETPLACE Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 66291	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/22/2011
Subject: Correct speaking/typing

Lon, fear not! This group is pretty tolerant and understanding when it comes to both speech and typing errors! I should know, I'm from the Eastern "Ahia" part of Appalachia! Some of the problem is what I call "fat fingers," a problem where you hit the wrong keys or tap two at a time! I do it all the tme on the Sunday night "Chat" and everyone is getting used to my over excited keyboard stumbles now. I guess in the era of texting's "short cut" language, we're learning to accept about anything. Next it will be Orwell's "Newspeak!" After dealing with today's High School kids, I have gotten to the point where I value good content over correct language, especially in personal e-mails and Yahoo groups. What bugs me is the errors I find in major magazines and newspapers these days! "Hey Clem, didga' git'a good pitcher of them feesh y'all catched?" :-) Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66292	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/22/2011
Subject: Re: Off To Michaels

Alistair could of written me in private about my grammar instead of doing it in front of about 1200 people. I can get off the list if you would like if I am that awful with my grammar. I wish that was my only problem in life right now. I am not perfect and this is the way I am with my brain most likely I am glad you all have pet peeves, as you did not give a damn on how you would make me look in front of the list. I know I have a problem in writing and it is not as easy as you think. I can barely see the computer screen as I write this as eye site is one of my many health issues in life right now. Mike From: Lon Walker Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:19 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Off To Michaels Hi Alister, Do I detect a retired school teacher? I was reluctant to start up with any group for fear of showing my ignorance. After seeing some of the things on the net, I have relaxed some. I know I make mistakes at times but I think most of the time it can be understood. My pet peeve is when people say pitcher when they mean picture. My college educated boss says pitcher all the time and I have to bite my tongue to keep from correcting her. Keep up the fun with trains of any kind! Lon Walker ________________________________ From: "mailto:alizoo%40kern.com.au" <mailto:alizoo%40kern.com.au> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Off To Michaels Not good enougth - I think you are right - they must study how to design in failure at an early stage. BTW Michael - I like your postings but will you (and half the English speaking people in the world) please start using "have" instead of the incorrect "of" when giving the full version of "Should've". It is "Should have" not "Should of". But like I say you are not alone . Keep up the fun! Alistair. ----- Original Message ----- From:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com To:, " " , "Steve Conard" , " " Cc: Sent:Fri, 21 Oct 2011 18:40:28 -0400 Subject:[S-Trains] Off To Michaels I am off to Michaels with my 40% off coupon on one item to buy more epoxy glue to fix ALL FOUR broken trucks on my AF by Lionel Action Erie box car, the reproduction of the AF Erie action box car. The below is what I wrote to some in private as only one truck broke. The other trucks decided it was time to break too. Yesterday, I had a AF Lionel Truck break again for the 3rd time, so I got a big wad of epoxy on the very fine design by those wacky Lionel engineers, wonder if they are train engineers or real design engineers where you have to go to college or something like that to learn how to make train trucks on Lionel AF that fall apart when the consumer buys this product. This is one of my few Lionel items I run on the layout, as it is my action Erie Reproduction box car. sheesh, I should of gotten a 957, 974 or a 25042 ORIGINAL AF Erie box car as trucks on old AF does not fall apart, even after they are 50 years old. thank goodness I have the SHS wheels in the truck marked inside on which is the pick up wheel since you have no idea if you do a electrical test on the track. I may never return as it might be like a vortex in Michaels. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,____ Reply to sender [1] | Reply to group [2] | Reply via web post [3] | Start a New Topic [4] Messages in this topic [5] (1) Recent Activity: * New Members [6] 2 * New Photos [7] 3 Visit Your Group [8] Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [9] MARKETPLACE Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 66293	From: Crpntr12449@aol.com	Date: 10/22/2011
Subject: Re: Off To Michaels

Lon, This is my first post in a while, but it intrigued me that you mentioned "pitcher." I have family members that use that pronunciation, yet, they can spell it correctly when writing, or reciting. I think it all comes down to local flavor in the writing and speaking, as well as some education thrown in. Let's (let us) talk trains. LOL Carlton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66294	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 10/22/2011
Subject: Re: Off To Michaels

Michael it is nothing to do with education or brain size - I am sure yours is not miniscule with your bright imagination manifest in your layout and postings which also show te depth of your knowledge of Flyer S. That use of "of" is just a very common mistake which is my pet peeve. Keep up the fun! Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Fri, 21 Oct 2011 22:56:18 -0400 Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Off To Michaels   Thanks about the Lionel. Sorry about the grammar, as I never said I was perfect in writing. Sorry, not much I can do about that as my brain is very small. Mike From: alizoo@... [1] Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 9:36 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Off To Michaels Not good enougth - I think you are right - they must study how to design in failure at an early stage. BTW Michael - I like your postings but will you (and half the English speaking people in the world) please start using "have" instead of the incorrect "of" when giving the full version of "Should've". It is "Should have" not "Should of". But like I say you are not alone . Keep up the fun! Alistair. ----- Original Message ----- From:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com To:, " " , "Steve Conard" , " " Cc: Sent:Fri, 21 Oct 2011 18:40:28 -0400 Subject:[S-Trains] Off To Michaels I am off to Michaels with my 40% off coupon on one item to buy more epoxy glue to fix ALL FOUR broken trucks on my AF by Lionel Action Erie box car, the reproduction of the AF Erie action box car. The below is what I wrote to some in private as only one truck broke. The other trucks decided it was time to break too. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 66295	From: Ken Christiansen	Date: 10/22/2011
Subject: Re: Off To Michaels

After several years spent earning my way through life as a Design Engineer, I can say that sometimes we are so smart with the design that we are out smarted and make it either unbuildable or, not reliable. Go for the EPOXY, or go for the warranty, if it applies. Ken Christiansen Broker Associate Prudential Crosby Starck REALTORS 551 N Mulford Rd. Rockford, IL 6107 Mobile 815-218-3957 Do you know anyone wanting to buy or sell Real Estate? Your referral is always appreciated. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66296	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/22/2011
Subject: Re: Off To Michaels

Alistair, That was sarcasm. Wish you all would keep your pet peeves to yourself. Mike From: alizoo@... Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:06 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Off To Michaels Michael it is nothing to do with education or brain size - I am sure yours is not miniscule with your bright imagination manifest in your layout and postings which also show te depth of your knowledge of Flyer S. That use of "of" is just a very common mistake which is my pet peeve. Keep up the fun! Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Fri, 21 Oct 2011 22:56:18 -0400 Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Off To Michaels Thanks about the Lionel. Sorry about the grammar, as I never said I was perfect in writing. Sorry, not much I can do about that as my brain is very small. Mike From: mailto:alizoo%40kern.com.au [1] Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 9:36 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [2] Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Off To Michaels Not good enougth - I think you are right - they must study how to design in failure at an early stage. BTW Michael - I like your postings but will you (and half the English speaking people in the world) please start using "have" instead of the incorrect "of" when giving the full version of "Should've". It is "Should have" not "Should of". But like I say you are not alone . Keep up the fun! Alistair. ----- Original Message ----- From:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com To:, " " , "Steve Conard" , " " Cc: Sent:Fri, 21 Oct 2011 18:40:28 -0400 Subject:[S-Trains] Off To Michaels I am off to Michaels with my 40% off coupon on one item to buy more epoxy glue to fix ALL FOUR broken trucks on my AF by Lionel Action Erie box car, the reproduction of the AF Erie action box car. The below is what I wrote to some in private as only one truck broke. The other trucks decided it was time to break too. Yesterday, I had a AF Lionel Truck break again for the 3rd time, so I got a big wad of epoxy on the very fine design by those wacky Lionel engineers, wonder if they are train engineers or real design engineers where you have to go to college or something like that to learn how to make train trucks on Lionel AF that fall apart when the consumer buys this product. This is one of my few Lionel items I run on the layout, as it is my action Erie Reproduction box car. sheesh, I should of gotten a 957, 974 or a 25042 ORIGINAL AF Erie box car as trucks on old AF does not fall apart, even after they are 50 years old. thank goodness I have the SHS wheels in the truck marked inside on which is the pick up wheel since you have no idea if you do a electrical test on the track. I may never return as it might be like a vortex in Michaels. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 66297	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/22/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/23/2011, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 66298	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 10/22/2011
Subject: Re: Off To Michaels

Michael it was a genuine comment and compliment to your enthusiasm consistent with encouragement I have given you privately and on this board in the past. .   I will take your apology as read and say no more. Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Sat, 22 Oct 2011 18:44:29 -0400 Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Off To Michaels   Alistair, That was sarcasm. Wish you all would keep your pet peeves to yourself. Mike From: alizoo@... [1] Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:06 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Off To Michaels Michael it is nothing to do with education or brain size - I am sure yours is not miniscule with your bright imagination manifest in your layout and postings which also show te depth of your knowledge of Flyer S. That use of "of" is just a very common mistake which is my pet peeve. Keep up the fun! Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com To: Cc: Sent:Fri, 21 Oct 2011 22:56:18 -0400 Subject:Re: [S-Trains] Off To Michaels Thanks about the Lionel. Sorry about the grammar, as I never said I was perfect in writing. Sorry, not much I can do about that as my brain is very small. Mike From: mailto:alizoo%40kern.com.au [1] Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 9:36 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [2] Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Off To Michaels Not good enougth - I think you are right - they must study how to design in failure at an early stage. BTW Michael - I like your postings but will you (and half the English speaking people in the world) please start using "have" instead of the incorrect "of" when giving the full version of "Should've". It is "Should have" not "Should of". But like I say you are not alone . Keep up the fun! Alistair. ----- Original Message ----- From:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com To:, " " , "Steve Conard" , " " Cc: Sent:Fri, 21 Oct 2011 18:40:28 -0400 Subject:[S-Trains] Off To Michaels I am off to Michaels with my 40% off coupon on one item to buy more epoxy glue to fix ALL FOUR broken trucks on my AF by Lionel Action Erie box car, the reproduction of the AF Erie action box car. The below is what I wrote to some in private as only one truck broke. The other trucks decided it was time to break too. Yesterday, I had a AF Lionel Truck break again for the 3rd time, so I got a big wad of epoxy on the very fine design by those wacky Lionel engineers, wonder if they are train engineers or real design engineers where you have to go to college or something like that to learn how to make train trucks on Lionel AF that fall apart when the consumer buys this product. This is one of my few Lionel items I run on the layout, as it is my action Erie Reproduction box car. sheesh, I should of gotten a 957, 974 or a 25042 ORIGINAL AF Erie box car as trucks on old AF does not fall apart, even after they are 50 years old. thank goodness I have the SHS wheels in the truck marked inside on which is the pick up wheel since you have no idea if you do a electrical test on the track. I may never return as it might be like a vortex in Michaels. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,____ Reply to sender [1] | Reply to group [2] | Reply via web post [3] | Start a New Topic [4] Messages in this topic [5] (1) Recent Activity: * New Members [6] 2 * New Photos [7] 3 Visit Your Group [8] Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [3] [3] [9] MARKETPLACE Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 66299	From: Dale Chaudiere	Date: 10/23/2011
Subject: FS: NIB SHS #00463 #3 Manual Right Hand Switch

This SHS #00463 #3 Manual Right Hand Switch is brand new in the box, never used or installed. I received a\the manual switch, instead of a remote control one, due to a misunderstanding with a vendor. $35 plus actually shipping from 98037. Dale Chaudiere Lynnwood, WA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66300	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/23/2011
Subject: Re: Off To Michaels

Alistair, I know you meant well, lets just forget it and move on. And I appreciate you kind comments about my knowledge and layout in the train world. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66301	From: JOHN	Date: 10/23/2011
Subject: Screw Post Repair

Can someone offer some suggestions, or direct me to a source, on repairing the screw posts on an plastic AF steamer. Someone used an over sized screw replacement and busted off half of the screw post. Thanks. Jack

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66302	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/23/2011
Subject: Re: Screw Post Repair

In the past I have used tape to form a kinda dam around the remaining part...... Then filled the opening with epoxy, 5 minute, and then drilled a new pilot / screw hole.... Worked fine for me and the repair is still holding..... Bob Conner --- On Sun, 10/23/11, JOHN <afdinger@...> wrote: From: JOHN <afdinger@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Screw Post Repair To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 23, 2011, 8:24 AM   Can someone offer some suggestions, or direct me to a source, on repairing the screw posts on an plastic AF steamer. Someone used an over sized screw replacement and busted off half of the screw post. Thanks. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66303	From: George Cohn	Date: 10/23/2011
Subject: Re: Screw Post Repair

On 10/23/2011 5:24 AM, JOHN wrote: > Can someone offer some suggestions, or direct me to a source, on > repairing the screw posts on an plastic AF steamer. Someone used an over > sized screw replacement and busted off half of the screw post. A method I have used is to clean up the broken post, slip a plastic straw over it for a form, and fill with "ITW Plastic Welder" from your local auto parts store. Plastic Welder is meant to repair plastic radiators in newer cars and is an epoxy like adhesive that actually bonds with the old plastic. It doesn't just sit on it. Once it hardens, drill for a new original sized screw. Plastic Welder and JB Weld for metal are two of the handiest tools in my kit. :-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66304	From: knight@calu.edu	Date: 10/23/2011
Subject: Re: Screw Post Repair

John, I has used that two part epoxy JB Weld. I used a plastic straw as a form and after it dries, a Dremel to drill out a screw hole. Gene Knight Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: JOHN <afdinger@...> Sender: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:24:47 To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Screw Post Repair Can someone offer some suggestions, or direct me to a source, on repairing the screw posts on an plastic AF steamer. Someone used an over sized screw replacement and busted off half of the screw post. Thanks. Jack [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66305	From: Neil Trump	Date: 10/23/2011
Subject: New Challenger

To all: This link may be of interest to everyone. http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=GB#/watch?v=TWpfPEIcO-s Regards, Neil Sent from my wife's IPad, who keeps reminding me of the fact it is hers and not mine! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66306	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/23/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/23/2011, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 66307	From: Neil Trump	Date: 10/23/2011
Subject: Re: New Challenger

To all: seems like the IPad gave a bad link, try this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWpfPEIcO-s Sent from my wife's IPad, who keeps reminding me of the fact it is hers and not mine! On 23 Oct 2011, at 22:20, "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...> wrote: > i think your link is bad, it leads to a uk web site fir youtube [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66308	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/23/2011
Subject: Re: New Challenger

Well - at least one runs, if only for a couple of seconds- lol. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Neil Trump <neil.trump@...> wrote: > > To all: > > seems like the IPad gave a bad link, try this one > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWpfPEIcO-s > > > > Sent from my wife's IPad, who keeps reminding me of the fact it is hers and not mine! > > > On 23 Oct 2011, at 22:20, "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...> wrote: > > > i think your link is bad, it leads to a uk web site fir youtube > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66309	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/23/2011
Subject: Re: Screw Post Repair

Jack, Go to the following link and you can see photos of how I repair broken screw posts: http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album126 It's pretty simple! Good luck, BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "JOHN" <afdinger@...> wrote: > > Can someone offer some suggestions, or direct me to a source, on repairing the screw posts on an plastic AF steamer. Someone used an over sized screw replacement and busted off half of the screw post. > Thanks. Jack >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66310	From: wb4hay	Date: 10/24/2011
Subject: Roundhouses

Guys, I need a steer to a reasonably priced 3-4 stall s gauge roundhouse kit for us semi experienced builders. Kelly

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66311	From: Eric	Date: 10/24/2011
Subject: LIONEL FLYER Items for sale Big Boy & Mikado and AM 4-8-4

I have some Lionel-Flyer Items for sale. They are all basically like new. These just do not fit in what I want to do with my layout, so they are being let go for other items. First Item: Lionel Flyer Big Boy engine. UP Like new with the original box and everything from new. It has been test run and everything seems fine. I ran it with a 990 legacy system which is great for the sounds. I see these on Ebay for $750-$799 plus postage. I will sell this one for $700 shipped and insured to the USA48. Second Item: Lionel Flyer Mikado engine. UP Like the one above only test run, I think, once. Like new, has been displayed includes all the box, packaging, etc. I paid $530 plus shipping for this and they seem to be more now. I will let this go for $500 shipping and insurance included to USA48. Third Item: American Models Northern DC-Hirail Burlington Engine. This is also like new with the original box , etc. New is $399. I will let it go for $350 shipping and insurance included to USA48. Fourth item: When I sell the 2 Lionel-Flyer engines I will then sell the Legacy #990 control set. this included the controller, cradle, and evferything to run the legacy engines. They are going for $370 on ebay this week so I will sell it for $320. shipping and insurance included. I can take Paypal, or a check (wait to clear) or cash if you are local. I cannot accept returns and items are sold as is. If there are no bites here in the next few days they will go to ebay. Make me an offer, thanks. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa 98028. ericrhere(at)gmail(dot)com <ericrhere@...> ebay= er099, NASG since 86, TCA since 87. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66312	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 10/24/2011
Subject: Discount coupon for the Fest

The Fall S Fest comes up this next weekend, 28 - 30 October in St Louis MO. I'm providing an extra discount at my tables for the big spenders - over $100 - by a coupon. You can find it, print it, and cut it out at - http://www.michmod.com/products.html Just scroll down a little and click on "Click Here for Coupon." I know no one is planning to spend over $100 at the Michigan Models tables, but print it out and bring it anyway, just in case. Tom Hawley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66313	From: msperry45	Date: 10/24/2011
Subject: AF Turnout Disassembly

How do I remove the moveable points of an AF turnout? More specifically, is the pivot screwed, pressed, etc into the plastic? Should be simple but I want to ask before I do something regrettable. tnx, mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66314	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 10/24/2011
Subject: Re: Roundhouses

Kelly, I have a brand new unassembled 5 stall roundhouse that I purchased about 5 years ago for my layout that I'm about to offer on e-bay. I just don't have enough room so if you're interested it's yours for $150.00 + shipping. Thanks, Pete Henningsen ----- Original Message ----- From: wb4hay Date: Monday, October 24, 2011 6:57 am Subject: [S-Trains] Roundhouses To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Guys, > > I need a steer to a reasonably priced 3-4 stall s gauge > roundhouse kit for us semi experienced builders. > > Kelly > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66316	From: Robert Ahrens	Date: 10/24/2011
Subject: Re: AF Turnout Disassembly

It's a rivet. You should be able to remove it by carefully punching it out from the back side to remove it with as little damage as possible. On page 316 of K-Line's Complete Service Manual it says 'drive out switch pilot stud along with spring washer and the frog will come right out. I'm assuming you have already removed the bottom plate so you can get to the pilot stud, of course! From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of msperry45 Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:43 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AF Turnout Disassembly How do I remove the moveable points of an AF turnout? More specifically, is the pivot screwed, pressed, etc into the plastic? Should be simple but I want to ask before I do something regrettable. tnx, mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66318	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2011
Subject: Trying to locate S-Gauger

I have a customer that needs to contact either Frank Hare or John Thousand, both of Pennsylvania (Pittsburgh)? My customer is not on the Internet. If any of you know how to contact either of these people I would appreciate you letting me know. Steve SnS Trains [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66319	From: Robert Conner	Date: 10/24/2011
Subject: Re: I am finally became Boss!!

THANKS ED..... BOB --- On Mon, 10/24/11, EDWARD ECKERT <ejenterp@...> wrote: From: EDWARD ECKERT <ejenterp@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Re: I am finally became Boss!! To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, October 24, 2011, 1:58 PM   Hi Bob,   Someone has hijacked you. I had approved this message based on my past experiences with you without checking the link. I have deleted the message.   Ed Eckert moderator ________________________________

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66320	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 10/24/2011
Subject: Northern Pacific Name Plates?

Does anyone know if the various parts guys have the name tags & pins for the sides of the American Flyer (S-Gauge) N.P. passenger cars? Any advise on this would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66321	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 10/24/2011
Subject: Re: I am finally became Boss!!

apparently no one ever reads the scam warnings hat are posted on the web, and in newspapers, CHECK THE HEADER LINE AND THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN, if you don't know anyone in that country, IT'S A SCAM

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66322	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/24/2011
Subject: Re: Trying to locate S-Gauger

Hi Steve, I believe Frank Hare passed away.  I don't know of John Thousand.  Frank used be be the editor of the American Flyer collectors club.  If someone has any old issues of the mag, it is possible there may be infor or a contact number for John. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: "boss31@..." <boss31@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:47 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Trying to locate S-Gauger   I have a customer that needs to contact either Frank Hare or John Thousand, both of Pennsylvania (Pittsburgh)? My customer is not on the Internet. If any of you know how to contact either of these people I would appreciate you letting me know. Steve SnS Trains [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66323	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/24/2011
Subject: Re: AF Turnout Disassembly

Hi Mike, � If you have a early switch 720, the frog would pivot on a rivet PA10492.  You would have to burn this off from the bottom.   If you have the later switch, it would be a stud PA10925.  This presses into the plastic and can be punched out through the small hole from the bottom. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Robert Ahrens <rahrens54@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 1:43 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] AF Turnout Disassembly   It's a rivet. You should be able to remove it by carefully punching it out from the back side to remove it with as little damage as possible. On page 316 of K-Line's Complete Service Manual it says 'drive out switch pilot stud along with spring washer and the frog will come right out. I'm assuming you have already removed the bottom plate so you can get to the pilot stud, of course! From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of msperry45 Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:43 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AF Turnout Disassembly How do I remove the moveable points of an AF turnout? More specifically, is the pivot screwed, pressed, etc into the plastic? Should be simple but I want to ask before I do something regrettable. tnx, mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66324	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 10/24/2011
Subject: -.Video #664: RR Concepts StationMaster Demo

- - SUBJECT: Video #664: RR Concepts StationMaster Demo (In 4 parts) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *1. LINKS: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Part 1 - http://youtube.com/watch?v=cGq2-brnyJI Part 2 - http://youtube.com/watch?v=kAHmAMXmXMw Part 3 - http://youtube.com/watch?v=NbeTIpuIdVo Part 4 - http://youtube.com/watch?v=o7kC1z1TwFI The "information page" http://track2.com/info/664 shows pictorial 'screen captures' from the video editor, showing the CONTENTS. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *2. COMMENTS: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The RR Concepts "StationMaster" is a small electronic microprocessor device, that controls automatic station stops and automatic block control. It does this with ADJUSTABLE acceleration rates and deceleration rates, so trains are always starting and stopping SMOOTHLY. It was invented and has been produced since around 1992, by Curtis Roecks, who lives in Oceanside, CA. This device has an 8 ampere maximum current capacity, for controlling LARGESCALE trains, which are demonstrated in videos on the http://RR-Concepts.com website. The demonstrations in this Video #664 are done in S gauge, but it will work on just about ANY GAUGE trains, so long as they are running on DC current -- which would include most Largescale trains, O-gauge 2-rail trains, and S, HO, and N gauges. (It will NOT work for AC, DCC, or Pulse-width-modulated DC; the track current going into the StationMaster MUST be DC current). The StationMaster also does more ADVANCED operations not shown in this video, such as controlling the RR-Concepts "YardMaster" device which controls switches. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks. AutoControls Yahoo Group Moderator - James Ingram VMS/Land 570.322.7597, office hours 2pm-midnight weekdays Williamsport PA http://AutoControls.org MacBook Pro/OS 10.6 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *3. DEMONSTRATIONS: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This AutoControls.org video #664 contains the following demonstrations: - Demo 1: Automatic timed station stop with no block - Demo 2: Automatic station stop with 2 stops - Demo 3: Automatic station stop using old American Flyer engines - Demo 4: Powering up StationMaster with nothing connected - Demo 5: Programming StationMaster - Demo 6: Simple station stop (using block) - Demo 7: Two-laps around loop before stopping - Demo 8: Two-Laps with pushbutton start - Demo 9: One-Lap with pushbutton start - Demo 10: Controlling 2 trains - Demo 11: Controlling 2 trains using old American Flyer locomotives. : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66325	From: rick gough	Date: 10/24/2011
Subject: Re: Screw Post Repair

Do you have a written explanation that I'm missing to go with the pics?   I cut the posts short and JB-Weld threaded aluminum inserts to them. Never strip threads again. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66326	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/25/2011
Subject: Re: Northern Pacific Name Plates?

Hi Mike, Northern Pacific, Missouri Pacific and Union Pacific passenger cars do not have nameplates.  The nameplates I stock are 960 Columbus, 961 Jefferson, 962 Hamilton, 963 Washington, 660, 661, 662, 663 with American Flyer Lines.  There are also plates for the 500 series cars which I don't stock. All of these plates are silver. Tom Seccia Triple "S" Supplies ________________________________ From: Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 3:40 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Northern Pacific Name Plates?   Does anyone know if the various parts guys have the name tags & pins for the sides of the American Flyer (S-Gauge) N.P. passenger cars? Any advise on this would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66327	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/25/2011
Subject: Re: proposed trade for a RDC1 for some of my Surplus brass

I am looking for a Omnicon RDC1 so that I have a pair as they operated on my prototype. If anyone would like to trade for any of the surplus brass that I have, please let me know. Or, if someone is interested in any of the surplus brass that I am considering selling, please let me know that too... Don PS If this list does not appear at the end of my e-mail, I will happily send out the list to individuals. QTY mfg. Description type road number Cost Notes 1 OMI Reading I-8 2-8-0 unpainted - - $700.00 1 RRM 65' well hole flatcar painted Conrail 761034 $300.00 painted by Bill Lane 1 RRM PRR 40' round roof X31a painted - - $200.00 1 SWM Borden's Milk Car Painted Borden's BFIX 528 $250.00 red car, yellow lettering 1 RRM Airslide covered hopper, early unpainted - - $200.00 1 OMI Reading wooden caboose painted Reading 92938 $250.00 caboose red, white lettering 1 RRM NYC baywindow caboose painted - - $200.00 NYC caboose brown 1 RRM EMD F7A unpainted - - $300.00 1 SWM PRR R50b express reefer painted PRR 2828 $250.00 painted & lettered 3 SWM PRR P70R Coach painted PRR asst $350.00 factory painted & lettered 1 SWM PRR B60B Baggage car painted PRR 9325 $325.00 painted & lettered 2 RRM Baldwin RF-16 Shark A units painted B&O 867 $800.00 factory painted & lettered 1 RRM Flying Yankee, 3 unit set painted B&M/MEC 6000 $1,990.00 factory painted & lettered 1 SWM NYC 80' Coach unpainted - - $250.00 1 SWM PRR N8 Cabin Car painted PRR 478174 $250.00 factory painted & lettered 1 RRM USRA hopper, panel side painted NH $175.00 factory painted & lettered 1 RRM USRA 2 bay open top hopper painted NYC $175.00 factory painted & lettered [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66328	From: Don Thompson	Date: 10/25/2011
Subject: Re: proposed trade for a RDC1 for some of my Surplus brass

Yeah, I see that list did not come out so well, so contact me and I will send to you... Don On Oct 25, 2011, at 6:39 AM, Don Thompson wrote: > I am looking for a Omnicon RDC1 so that I have a pair as they operated on my prototype. If anyone would like to trade for any of the surplus brass that I have, please let me know. Or, if someone is interested in any of the surplus brass that I am considering selling, please let me know that too... > Don > PS If this list does not appear at the end of my e-mail, I will happily send out the list to individuals. > > > QTY > > mfg. > > Description > > type > > road > > number > > Cost > > Notes > > 1 > > OMI > > Reading I-8 2-8-0 > > unpainted > > - > > - > > $700.00 > > > > 1 > > RRM > > 65' well hole flatcar > > painted > > Conrail > > 761034 > > $300.00 > > painted by Bill Lane > > 1 > > RRM > > PRR 40' round roof X31a > > painted > > - > > - > > $200.00 > > > > 1 > > SWM > > Borden's Milk Car > > Painted > > Borden's > > BFIX 528 > > $250.00 > > red car, yellow lettering > > 1 > > RRM > > Airslide covered hopper, early > > unpainted > > - > > - > > $200.00 > > > > 1 > > OMI > > Reading wooden caboose > > painted > > Reading > > 92938 > > $250.00 > > caboose red, white lettering > > 1 > > RRM > > NYC baywindow caboose > > painted > > - > > - > > $200.00 > > NYC caboose brown > > 1 > > RRM > > EMD F7A > > unpainted > > - > > - > > $300.00 > > > > 1 > > SWM > > PRR R50b express reefer > > painted > > PRR > > 2828 > > $250.00 > > painted & lettered > > 3 > > SWM > > PRR P70R Coach > > painted > > PRR > > asst > > $350.00 > > factory painted & lettered > > 1 > > SWM > > PRR B60B Baggage car > > painted > > PRR > > 9325 > > $325.00 > > painted & lettered > > 2 > > RRM > > Baldwin RF-16 Shark A units > > painted > > B&O > > 867 > > $800.00 > > factory painted & lettered > > 1 > > RRM > > Flying Yankee, 3 unit set > > painted > > B&M/MEC > > 6000 > > $1,990.00 > > factory painted & lettered > > 1 > > SWM > > NYC 80' Coach > > unpainted > > - > > - > > $250.00 > > > > 1 > > SWM > > PRR N8 Cabin Car > > painted > > PRR > > 478174 > > $250.00 > > factory painted & lettered > > 1 > > RRM > > USRA hopper, panel side > > painted > > NH > > > > $175.00 > > factory painted & lettered > > 1 > > RRM > > USRA 2 bay open top hopper > > painted > > NYC > > > > $175.00 > > factory painted & lettered > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66329	From: JOHN and CAROL	Date: 10/25/2011
Subject: Re: Screw Post Repair

Rick, Go to the S-Trains (Yahoo) site and log in. Then, under the Search function, enter "Screw Post Repair." Including your recent inquiry, there are 97 posts concerning the topic, dating back to 1999. I didn't read them (that's your task), but I'm sure you'll find your answer there. YourS, John Eichmann Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66330	From: Timboy	Date: 10/25/2011
Subject: Working Up a New Yard

Fellow S Gaugers: My yard is progressing slowly. I have 3 switches modified and installed, with 7 more needed. But it's starting to take on a basic vintage shape. To see my progress, you are invited to visit: http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66331	From: Dave	Date: 10/26/2011
Subject: MACK Dump Truck

Hello All, There have been quite a few of this groups members that have emailed us off group (thank you) asking us if could obtain a dump truck for their layout. To this end we contacted PAZAN and they have sent us a half dozen 1956 MACK model "B" dump trucks. All cast metal with windows installed. There are no markings on them so you can brand them with your own truck line. For those of you that are also interested in a dump truck please use the link below to view: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page08.html For further info. please continue to contact us OFF GROUP. Thank you all for your continuing support and "GREAT IDEAS". Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66332	From: Brady	Date: 10/26/2011
Subject: Renewed interest in customized/bashed Flyer?

With the - New product situation - Stumpy's guide on the street - LBR Enterprises offering custom parts and R-T-R kit-bashed Flyer Does anyone see a resurgence in interest in kit-bashing Flyer? Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66333	From: R G	Date: 10/26/2011
Subject: Re: Renewed interest in customized/bashed Flyer?

With many Flyer cars and locomotives out there is less than  pristine condition it is only natural to take a common item repair it and paint it to a road name or color you want.   I use to buy broken heavy weights that were missing an end, fabricate the end and paint it into a road name I desired.  I have a set of B&O Heavy Weight Passenger cars for my Royal Blue locomotive and another set for my Pennsy K5.  I do not think that there is a resurgence, I believe that customizing /bashing never went away.  At the train shows I see the local Baltimore American Flyer club with lots of modified equipment!  ________________________________ From: Brady <brady@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 1:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Renewed interest in customized/bashed Flyer?   With the - New product situation - Stumpy's guide on the street - LBR Enterprises offering custom parts and R-T-R kit-bashed Flyer Does anyone see a resurgence in interest in kit-bashing Flyer? Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66334	From: ghslaw31	Date: 10/26/2011
Subject: Speeder

We are planning to offer a speeder in S scale in open with a roof and closed versions.We would appreciate the groups input in connection with this project. We hope to be able to eqiup the model with 12mm or 9.6mm wheels.It is expected that the model will be available in DC, DCC ready, and DCC eqipped.The model will have a trailer to improve operation over switches. The model will have a headlight, flashing yellow light on the roof, and a red light on the trailer. We would appreciate your thoughts on the model and the options. It is expected that it will sell in $135-$150 range without DCC. Gerry Siegel

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66335	From: johntech	Date: 10/26/2011
Subject: Re: Speeder

There was a guy several years ago that was going to build one but never came through with it His price range was about double of what you are offering. I would be willing to purchase one WHEN I see what you have to offer. john ----- Original Message ----- From: ghslaw31 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 2:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Speeder We are planning to offer a speeder in S scale in open with a roof and closed versions.We would appreciate the groups input in connection with this project. We hope to be able to eqiup the model with 12mm or 9.6mm wheels.It is expected that the model will be available in DC, DCC ready, and DCC eqipped.The model will have a trailer to improve operation over switches. The model will have a headlight, flashing yellow light on the roof, and a red light on the trailer. We would appreciate your thoughts on the model and the options. It is expected that it will sell in $135-$150 range without DCC. Gerry Siegel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66336	From: Timboy	Date: 10/26/2011
Subject: Re: Renewed interest in customized/bashed Flyer?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote: > > With many Flyer cars and locomotives out there is less than  pristine condition it is only natural to take a common item repair it and paint it to a road name or color you want.   I use to buy broken heavy weights that were missing an end, fabricate the end and paint it into a road name I desired.  I have a set of B&O Heavy Weight Passenger cars for my Royal Blue locomotive and another set for my Pennsy K5.  I do not think that there is a resurgence, I believe that customizing /bashing never went away.  At the train shows I see the local Baltimore American Flyer club with lots of modified equipment!  > I agree. While Stumpy may be the most vocal one on this forum right now about kit-bashing, he is not the only one who has done or is doing it. Actually, I think that unless one is a Noob, it's rather old hat at this point. Of course, if there is someone who is doing something that no one else has done before, then I for one would like to see that! I periodically put out a call to all for a show-and-tell of what we are building or kit-bashing. Usually, there is little to no response. I also find that there is very little public response to my published progress reports on my own builds - but the counter on my site tells me that there is a WHOLE LOT of interest! Leads me to think that either people are reticent about showing and telling or there just isn't that much going on at any one time on any of the Forums. However, over the days, weeks, months & years there is a body of work being generated by quite a few of us. If you are hungry on this subject at this time, don't expect a sudden avalanche. It's more like a trickle. lol -Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66337	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 10/26/2011
Subject: Re: Speeder

I would purchase one, maybe even two.  I was really disappointed a while back when a guy indicated he was going to build some, but never did. Len ________________________________ From: ghslaw31 <cgsiegel@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 12:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Speeder   We are planning to offer a speeder in S scale in open with a roof and closed versions.We would appreciate the groups input in connection with this project. We hope to be able to eqiup the model with 12mm or 9.6mm wheels.It is expected that the model will be available in DC, DCC ready, and DCC eqipped.The model will have a trailer to improve operation over switches. The model will have a headlight, flashing yellow light on the roof, and a red light on the trailer. We would appreciate your thoughts on the model and the options. It is expected that it will sell in $135-$150 range without DCC. Gerry Siegel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66338	From: sgaugian	Date: 10/26/2011
Subject: Lake Placid area train attractions

Are there any train attractions in the Lake Placid, NY area? Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66339	From: sscale@comcast.net	Date: 10/26/2011
Subject: S Fest

I have lost my roommate for the meet hotel in St Louis for the S Fest. Anyone out there looking for a room to share at the Marriott? Contact me off list. Walt Jopke sscale@... Sent from Xfinity mobile App [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66340	From: JOHN	Date: 10/26/2011
Subject: Thank You For Screw Repair

I really apreciate all the good and clear suggestions I received to repair the screw post. I look forward to getting several plastic loco shells repaired and getting them back on the track. Jack

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66341	From: John Metzger	Date: 10/26/2011
Subject: Re: Speeder

I John Metzger would like to be put on your list for one Speeder.  I am an AFSGSLA  member and will be at the Fall 'S' Fest in St Louis, Missouri 10/28-30/2011.  The larger wheels would work better for my layout. Keep me in the loop.  Thanks, John. ________________________________ From: johntech <beebear@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Speeder   There was a guy several years ago that was going to build one but never came through with it His price range was about double of what you are offering. I would be willing to purchase one WHEN I see what you have to offer. john ----- Original Message ----- From: ghslaw31 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 2:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Speeder We are planning to offer a speeder in S scale in open with a roof and closed versions.We would appreciate the groups input in connection with this project. We hope to be able to eqiup the model with 12mm or 9.6mm wheels.It is expected that the model will be available in DC, DCC ready, and DCC eqipped.The model will have a trailer to improve operation over switches. The model will have a headlight, flashing yellow light on the roof, and a red light on the trailer. We would appreciate your thoughts on the model and the options. It is expected that it will sell in $135-$150 range without DCC. Gerry Siegel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66342	From: Bob	Date: 10/27/2011
Subject: Important Announcement Regarding the 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine

Good morning. I am pleased and excited to announce that the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine will be converting to an e-zine effective with Volume 12, Number 1, which will be the Winter, 2012 issue. This marks the end of the print edition of the magazine, which began as the "S/Sn3 Buyer's Guide" back in 1993. This is obviously a big change for the magazine and I did not make this decision lightly. The fact of the matter is that the current business model is not working and changes are needed. In addition, there are many advantages to publishing electronically including lower production and distribution costs, which will be passed along to subscribers and advertisers alike. The new subscription rates are $21.95 for 4 issues and $39.95 for 8 issues. Individual electronic issues will cost $5.95 each. There are two advantages right there: lower subscription prices and uniform pricing world-wide! Subscriptions will continued to be accepted via PayPal (be advised: renewals will be auto-recurring), or by check or money order. The Website (www.1-64ModelingGuide) has been updated to include the new subscription rates. In addition, a new "e-Zine Transition" button has been added. I encourage you to visit the site and click on this new button for more information regarding the conversion. This section will be updated as needed, so please check back from time to time. As always, I thank you for your continuing support of the only S SCALE oriented publication. Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions not answered on the Website. Bob Nalbone Editor & Publisher 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine RLN Publishing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66343	From: msperry45	Date: 10/27/2011
Subject: Re: AF Turnout Disassembly

Thanks to all who responded to this. Popped it right out once the "fear factor" was removed. Sorry for the delay in responding. I receive the digest and the ISP spam filter stopped it. tnx, mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66344	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 10/27/2011
Subject: Renewed interest in customized/kit bashed Flyer

Tim is 100% correct! The counter on My Flyer Trains has zoomed of late too with my Kit Bashing guide there. Even on my political/current events blog, there are many more readers than people who e-mail about it. There is obviously a thirst for knowledge well beyond the number of people who will write. While I'm may be the most "vocal" (and certainly the most disliked by collectors) I'm not longest running or the best rebuilder of old Flyer. Folks like Al Baker do great work, he's just more modest than I am! :-) There are many others doing kit bashing and scratch building in S, and even more wanting to know more about it. I get e-mails all the time asking about kit bashing and scratch building, and not just in S gauge. I think the difference is that I have a knack for writing and teaching, and am not afraid to go against the grain from time to time.:-) Perhaps as the stigma against such things goes by the wayside, and the economy makes building things rather than buying things more neceassry, we'll see much more discussion and information appearing. I can only encourage everyone to try something new. An investment of knowledge and skill in yourself is something that can never be taken away. Be creative and tell us all about it! Stumpy Stone... hiding from collectors and rivet counters in Appalachia :-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66345	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 10/27/2011
Subject: Re: Speeder

who does "we" consist of?, what type of material will be used in the construction? thanks mel --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ghslaw31" <cgsiegel@...> wrote: > > We are planning to offer a speeder in S scale in open with a roof and closed versions.We would appreciate the groups input in connection with this project. We hope to be able to eqiup the model with 12mm or 9.6mm wheels.It is expected that the model will be available in DC, DCC ready, and DCC eqipped.The model will have a trailer to improve operation over switches. The model will have a headlight, flashing yellow light on the roof, and a red light on the trailer. > We would appreciate your thoughts on the model and the options. > It is expected that it will sell in $135-$150 range without DCC. > Gerry Siegel >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66346	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/27/2011
Subject: FOR SALE Items

I have the following items for sale and am offering them here first before going to eBay. All items are Lionel AF (except the MTH Sawmill), new, mint in unopened boxes. Most locomotives and passenger cars have the original Lionel shipping cartons. Shown is the original list price, current book price (according to the new TM AF price guide), and my asking price. Make an offer if interested. All shipping will be actual cost either Priority Mail or Fedex (with optional insurance). Item No. Year  Description List Price Book Price  Asking Price 30-9119  MTH 787 Sawmill $135.00 6-12911  Command Control Base $91.99 $75.00 6-48033 2002 Rock Island GP-9 $249.95 $240.00 $230.00 6-48035 2003  SF Baldwin Switcher $249.99 $180.00 $175.00 6-48135 2003  NYC Alco PB B-Unit $149.99 $150.00 $145.00 6-48136 2004  SF Alco B Unit $149.99 $155.00 $150.00 6-48139 2005  PA Alco PB B-Unit w/Railsounds $159.99 $140.00 $135.00 6-48342 2001  2001 Christmas Boxcar $54.95 $50.00 $47.00 6-48343 2001  GN Boxcar $54.95 $35.00 $35.00 6-48349 2003  Goofy Boxcar $54.99 $40.00 $38.00 6-48352 2003  PRR Boxcar $49.99 $48.00 $45.00 6-48353 2003  2003 Christmas Boxcar $49.99 $45.00 $42.00 6-48355 2004  2004 Christmas Boxcar $49.99 $50.00 $47.00 6-48356 2005  Pluto Boxcar $54.99 $35.00 $35.00 6-48357 2005  Winnie the Pooh Boxcar $54.99 $35.00 $35.00 6-48415 2004  Hooker Three-Dome Tank Car $49.99 $50.00 $47.00 6-48414 2004  Nestle Nesquik Single Dome Tank Car $54.99 $45.00 $43.00 6-48412 2002  Alaska Three-Dome Tank Car $49.95 $50.00 $47.00 6-48416 2004  Campbell Soup Single Dome Tank Car $54.99 $45.00 $43.00 6-48514 1997  1046 Gilbert Intermodal TTUX Set $60.00 $55.00 6-48524 2002  Borden Flatcar $49.95 $43.00 $40.00 6-48525 2001  Burlington Gondola $49.95 $43.00 $40.00 6-48528 2002  Conrail Flatcar w/Wheel Load $49.95 $45.00 $43.00 6-48529 2002  NYC Flatcar w/Wheel Load $49.95 $40.00 $38.00 6-48621 2002  CN Covered Hopper $49.95 $38.00 $36.00 6-48622 2003  Burlington Hopper w/Coal Load $49.99 $44.00 $42.00 6-48628 2005  Duluth, Missabe & Iron Range Hopper $52.99 $47.00 $45.00 6-48722 2002  Rock Island Caboose $54.95 $50.00 $47.00 6-48724 2003  Seaboard Caboose $49.99 $50.00 $47.00 6-48725 2003-04  NYC Caboose $49.99 $50.00 $47.00 6-48726 2004  NYC Boom Car $49.99 $45.00 $42.00 6-48808 2003  Pacific Fruit Express Reefer $49.99 $51.00 $48.00 6-48809 2004  NP Reefer $49.99 $35.00 $35.00 6-48964 2003  NYC Baggage Car $59.99 $80.00 $78.00 6-48965 2003  B&O Passenger Car 2 Pack $119.99 $120.00 $115.00 6-48968 2005  SF Passenger Car 2 Pack $119.99 $100.00 $95.00 6-49011 2003  UP "Moe & Joe" Operating Lumber Car $69.99 $65.00 $62.00 6-49012 2003  SF Crane Car $69.99 $63.00 $60.00 6-49013 2004  PRR Depressed Center Searchlight Car $69.99 $62.00 $60.00 6-49014 2004  NYC Crane Car $69.99 $63.00 $60.00 6-49015 2004  West Side Lumber "Moe & Joe" Operating Lumber  Car $69.99 $65.00 $62.00 6-49017 2004  GN Animated Caboose $69.99 $60.00 $57.00 6-49022 2005  M.O.W. Depressed Center Searchlight Car $74.99 $68.00 $65.00 6-49023 2005  NYC Walking Brakeman Car $74.99 $65.00 $62.00 6-49810 2003-04  787 Log Loader $129.99 $150.00 $145.00 6-49811 2003-04  773 Oil Derrick $59.99 $40.00 $38.00 6-49812 2003-04  755 Talking Station $199.99 $70.00 $70.00 6-49813 2003-04  789 Baggage Smasher $129.99 $70.00 $70.00 6-49818 2004  23830 Monon Piggyback Unloader & Flatcar $69.99 $60.00 $57.00 6-49819 2004  Electromagnetic Crane $249.99 $190.00 $185.00 6-49824 2005  770 Loading Platform & Car $149.99 $135.00 $130.00 I have to clear out space as I become one of 4 distributors for Fred Jester's manufactured parts lines. Joe Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer ###################Authorized Lionel Service Center#################### ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@....###########.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66347	From: Don Rodgers Sr.	Date: 10/27/2011
Subject: Re: FOR SALE Items

Joe, I'll take the conrail 6-48528...Just let me know how to pay...Thank You, Don Rodgers...drmusic244@... To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com From: joestrainrepair@... Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:49:33 -0700 Subject: [S-Trains] FOR SALE Items I have the following items for sale and am offering them here first before going to eBay. All items are Lionel AF (except the MTH Sawmill), new, mint in unopened boxes. Most locomotives and passenger cars have the original Lionel shipping cartons. Shown is the original list price, current book price (according to the new TM AF price guide), and my asking price. Make an offer if interested. All shipping will be actual cost either Priority Mail or Fedex (with optional insurance). Item No. Year Description List Price Book Price Asking Price 30-9119 MTH 787 Sawmill $135.00 6-12911 Command Control Base $91.99 $75.00 6-48033 2002 Rock Island GP-9 $249.95 $240.00 $230.00 6-48035 2003 SF Baldwin Switcher $249.99 $180.00 $175.00 6-48135 2003 NYC Alco PB B-Unit $149.99 $150.00 $145.00 6-48136 2004 SF Alco B Unit $149.99 $155.00 $150.00 6-48139 2005 PA Alco PB B-Unit w/Railsounds $159.99 $140.00 $135.00 6-48342 2001 2001 Christmas Boxcar $54.95 $50.00 $47.00 6-48343 2001 GN Boxcar $54.95 $35.00 $35.00 6-48349 2003 Goofy Boxcar $54.99 $40.00 $38.00 6-48352 2003 PRR Boxcar $49.99 $48.00 $45.00 6-48353 2003 2003 Christmas Boxcar $49.99 $45.00 $42.00 6-48355 2004 2004 Christmas Boxcar $49.99 $50.00 $47.00 6-48356 2005 Pluto Boxcar $54.99 $35.00 $35.00 6-48357 2005 Winnie the Pooh Boxcar $54.99 $35.00 $35.00 6-48415 2004 Hooker Three-Dome Tank Car $49.99 $50.00 $47.00 6-48414 2004 Nestle Nesquik Single Dome Tank Car $54.99 $45.00 $43.00 6-48412 2002 Alaska Three-Dome Tank Car $49.95 $50.00 $47.00 6-48416 2004 Campbell Soup Single Dome Tank Car $54.99 $45.00 $43.00 6-48514 1997 1046 Gilbert Intermodal TTUX Set $60.00 $55.00 6-48524 2002 Borden Flatcar $49.95 $43.00 $40.00 6-48525 2001 Burlington Gondola $49.95 $43.00 $40.00 6-48528 2002 Conrail Flatcar w/Wheel Load $49.95 $45.00 $43.00 6-48529 2002 NYC Flatcar w/Wheel Load $49.95 $40.00 $38.00 6-48621 2002 CN Covered Hopper $49.95 $38.00 $36.00 6-48622 2003 Burlington Hopper w/Coal Load $49.99 $44.00 $42.00 6-48628 2005 Duluth, Missabe & Iron Range Hopper $52.99 $47.00 $45.00 6-48722 2002 Rock Island Caboose $54.95 $50.00 $47.00 6-48724 2003 Seaboard Caboose $49.99 $50.00 $47.00 6-48725 2003-04 NYC Caboose $49.99 $50.00 $47.00 6-48726 2004 NYC Boom Car $49.99 $45.00 $42.00 6-48808 2003 Pacific Fruit Express Reefer $49.99 $51.00 $48.00 6-48809 2004 NP Reefer $49.99 $35.00 $35.00 6-48964 2003 NYC Baggage Car $59.99 $80.00 $78.00 6-48965 2003 B&O Passenger Car 2 Pack $119.99 $120.00 $115.00 6-48968 2005 SF Passenger Car 2 Pack $119.99 $100.00 $95.00 6-49011 2003 UP "Moe & Joe" Operating Lumber Car $69.99 $65.00 $62.00 6-49012 2003 SF Crane Car $69.99 $63.00 $60.00 6-49013 2004 PRR Depressed Center Searchlight Car $69.99 $62.00 $60.00 6-49014 2004 NYC Crane Car $69.99 $63.00 $60.00 6-49015 2004 West Side Lumber "Moe & Joe" Operating Lumber Car $69.99 $65.00 $62.00 6-49017 2004 GN Animated Caboose $69.99 $60.00 $57.00 6-49022 2005 M.O.W. Depressed Center Searchlight Car $74.99 $68.00 $65.00 6-49023 2005 NYC Walking Brakeman Car $74.99 $65.00 $62.00 6-49810 2003-04 787 Log Loader $129.99 $150.00 $145.00 6-49811 2003-04 773 Oil Derrick $59.99 $40.00 $38.00 6-49812 2003-04 755 Talking Station $199.99 $70.00 $70.00 6-49813 2003-04 789 Baggage Smasher $129.99 $70.00 $70.00 6-49818 2004 23830 Monon Piggyback Unloader & Flatcar $69.99 $60.00 $57.00 6-49819 2004 Electromagnetic Crane $249.99 $190.00 $185.00 6-49824 2005 770 Loading Platform & Car $149.99 $135.00 $130.00 I have to clear out space as I become one of 4 distributors for Fred Jester's manufactured parts lines. Joe Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer ###################Authorized Lionel Service Center#################### ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@....###########.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66348	From: Ben and Lynn Stiles	Date: 10/27/2011
Subject: Re: Speeder

I would definitely buy a speeder as well in your expected price range. I have no real input on the design or execution. I am perfectly fine with a plain old DC motor. My layout operates on AC or DC as desired. Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66349	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 10/27/2011
Subject: Re: Renewed interest in customized/kit bashed Flyer

Stumpy,      Thank you for stating what a lot of us kit bashers are about. I myself have seen quite an upswing in our sales of kit bashing parts as of late. Perhaps the modelers in this group are taking things into their own hands literally and producing things that are not produced any where else but in their own imaginations. GREAT GOING ALL. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc      --- On Thu, 10/27/11, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Renewed interest in customized/kit bashed Flyer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 27, 2011, 11:16 AM   Tim is 100% correct! The counter on My Flyer Trains has zoomed of late too with my Kit Bashing guide there. Even on my political/current events blog, there are many more readers than people who e-mail about it. There is obviously a thirst for knowledge well beyond the number of people who will write. While I'm may be the most "vocal" (and certainly the most disliked by collectors) I'm not longest running or the best rebuilder of old Flyer. Folks like Al Baker do great work, he's just more modest than I am! :-) There are many others doing kit bashing and scratch building in S, and even more wanting to know more about it. I get e-mails all the time asking about kit bashing and scratch building, and not just in S gauge. I think the difference is that I have a knack for writing and teaching, and am not afraid to go against the grain from time to time.:-) Perhaps as the stigma against such things goes by the wayside, and the economy makes building things rather than buying things more neceassry, we'll see much more discussion and information appearing. I can only encourage everyone to try something new. An investment of knowledge and skill in yourself is something that can never be taken away. Be creative and tell us all about it! Stumpy Stone... hiding from collectors and rivet counters in Appalachia :-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66350	From: Martin A. Johnson	Date: 10/27/2011
Subject: Re: MACK Dump Truck

That dump body looks nice on the Mack. You have to change you description though, it's only a tandem, not a Tri-Axle. Trucks go by Rear axles, usually "Drivers" a Tri-Axle is 3 drive axles, or 2 drivers and a "tag", Steer axle not counted. Marty [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66351	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 10/27/2011
Subject: Re: FOR SALE Items

Hi Joe, Will you have dealer pricing on Fred's parts?  Please send me an email seccia@... off this site. Thank You, Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> To: S Trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 11:49 AM Subject: [S-Trains] FOR SALE Items   I have the following items for sale and am offering them here first before going to eBay. All items are Lionel AF (except the MTH Sawmill), new, mint in unopened boxes. Most locomotives and passenger cars have the original Lionel shipping cartons. Shown is the original list price, current book price (according to the new TM AF price guide), and my asking price. Make an offer if interested. All shipping will be actual cost either Priority Mail or Fedex (with optional insurance). Item No. Year  Description List Price Book Price  Asking Price 30-9119  MTH 787 Sawmill $135.00 6-12911  Command Control Base $91.99 $75.00 6-48033 2002 Rock Island GP-9 $249.95 $240.00 $230.00 6-48035 2003  SF Baldwin Switcher $249.99 $180.00 $175.00 6-48135 2003  NYC Alco PB B-Unit $149.99 $150.00 $145.00 6-48136 2004  SF Alco B Unit $149.99 $155.00 $150.00 6-48139 2005  PA Alco PB B-Unit w/Railsounds $159.99 $140.00 $135.00 6-48342 2001  2001 Christmas Boxcar $54.95 $50.00 $47.00 6-48343 2001  GN Boxcar $54.95 $35.00 $35.00 6-48349 2003  Goofy Boxcar $54.99 $40.00 $38.00 6-48352 2003  PRR Boxcar $49.99 $48.00 $45.00 6-48353 2003  2003 Christmas Boxcar $49.99 $45.00 $42.00 6-48355 2004  2004 Christmas Boxcar $49.99 $50.00 $47.00 6-48356 2005  Pluto Boxcar $54.99 $35.00 $35.00 6-48357 2005  Winnie the Pooh Boxcar $54.99 $35.00 $35.00 6-48415 2004  Hooker Three-Dome Tank Car $49.99 $50.00 $47.00 6-48414 2004  Nestle Nesquik Single Dome Tank Car $54.99 $45.00 $43.00 6-48412 2002  Alaska Three-Dome Tank Car $49.95 $50.00 $47.00 6-48416 2004  Campbell Soup Single Dome Tank Car $54.99 $45.00 $43.00 6-48514 1997  1046 Gilbert Intermodal TTUX Set $60.00 $55.00 6-48524 2002  Borden Flatcar $49.95 $43.00 $40.00 6-48525 2001  Burlington Gondola $49.95 $43.00 $40.00 6-48528 2002  Conrail Flatcar w/Wheel Load $49.95 $45.00 $43.00 6-48529 2002  NYC Flatcar w/Wheel Load $49.95 $40.00 $38.00 6-48621 2002  CN Covered Hopper $49.95 $38.00 $36.00 6-48622 2003  Burlington Hopper w/Coal Load $49.99 $44.00 $42.00 6-48628 2005  Duluth, Missabe & Iron Range Hopper $52.99 $47.00 $45.00 6-48722 2002  Rock Island Caboose $54.95 $50.00 $47.00 6-48724 2003  Seaboard Caboose $49.99 $50.00 $47.00 6-48725 2003-04  NYC Caboose $49.99 $50.00 $47.00 6-48726 2004  NYC Boom Car $49.99 $45.00 $42.00 6-48808 2003  Pacific Fruit Express Reefer $49.99 $51.00 $48.00 6-48809 2004  NP Reefer $49.99 $35.00 $35.00 6-48964 2003  NYC Baggage Car $59.99 $80.00 $78.00 6-48965 2003  B&O Passenger Car 2 Pack $119.99 $120.00 $115.00 6-48968 2005  SF Passenger Car 2 Pack $119.99 $100.00 $95.00 6-49011 2003  UP "Moe & Joe" Operating Lumber Car $69.99 $65.00 $62.00 6-49012 2003  SF Crane Car $69.99 $63.00 $60.00 6-49013 2004  PRR Depressed Center Searchlight Car $69.99 $62.00 $60.00 6-49014 2004  NYC Crane Car $69.99 $63.00 $60.00 6-49015 2004  West Side Lumber "Moe & Joe" Operating Lumber  Car $69.99 $65.00 $62.00 6-49017 2004  GN Animated Caboose $69.99 $60.00 $57.00 6-49022 2005  M.O.W. Depressed Center Searchlight Car $74.99 $68.00 $65.00 6-49023 2005  NYC Walking Brakeman Car $74.99 $65.00 $62.00 6-49810 2003-04  787 Log Loader $129.99 $150.00 $145.00 6-49811 2003-04  773 Oil Derrick $59.99 $40.00 $38.00 6-49812 2003-04  755 Talking Station $199.99 $70.00 $70.00 6-49813 2003-04  789 Baggage Smasher $129.99 $70.00 $70.00 6-49818 2004  23830 Monon Piggyback Unloader & Flatcar $69.99 $60.00 $57.00 6-49819 2004  Electromagnetic Crane $249.99 $190.00 $185.00 6-49824 2005  770 Loading Platform & Car $149.99 $135.00 $130.00 I have to clear out space as I become one of 4 distributors for Fred Jester's manufactured parts lines. Joe Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer ###################Authorized Lionel Service Center#################### ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@....###########.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66352	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/28/2011
Subject: Re: FOR SALE Items

Me too... _snstrains@..._ (mailto:snstrains@...) Steve In a message dated 10/27/2011 8:24:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, trainsandhobbies@... writes: Hi Joe, Will you have dealer pricing on Fred's parts? Please send me an email _seccia@..._ (mailto:seccia@...) off this site. Thank You, Tom Seccia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66353	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 10/28/2011
Subject: Re: FOR SALE Items

Hi Joe Will you have a list on line of parts and prices? Thanks Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Haenn To: S Trains Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 11:49 AM Subject: [S-Trains] FOR SALE Items I have the following items for sale and am offering them here first before going to eBay. All items are Lionel AF (except the MTH Sawmill), new, mint in unopened boxes. Most locomotives and passenger cars have the original Lionel shipping cartons. Shown is the original list price, current book price (according to the new TM AF price guide), and my asking price. Make an offer if interested. All shipping will be actual cost either Priority Mail or Fedex (with optional insurance). Item No. Year Description List Price Book Price Asking Price 30-9119 MTH 787 Sawmill $135.00 6-12911 Command Control Base $91.99 $75.00 6-48033 2002 Rock Island GP-9 $249.95 $240.00 $230.00 6-48035 2003 SF Baldwin Switcher $249.99 $180.00 $175.00 6-48135 2003 NYC Alco PB B-Unit $149.99 $150.00 $145.00 6-48136 2004 SF Alco B Unit $149.99 $155.00 $150.00 6-48139 2005 PA Alco PB B-Unit w/Railsounds $159.99 $140.00 $135.00 6-48342 2001 2001 Christmas Boxcar $54.95 $50.00 $47.00 6-48343 2001 GN Boxcar $54.95 $35.00 $35.00 6-48349 2003 Goofy Boxcar $54.99 $40.00 $38.00 6-48352 2003 PRR Boxcar $49.99 $48.00 $45.00 6-48353 2003 2003 Christmas Boxcar $49.99 $45.00 $42.00 6-48355 2004 2004 Christmas Boxcar $49.99 $50.00 $47.00 6-48356 2005 Pluto Boxcar $54.99 $35.00 $35.00 6-48357 2005 Winnie the Pooh Boxcar $54.99 $35.00 $35.00 6-48415 2004 Hooker Three-Dome Tank Car $49.99 $50.00 $47.00 6-48414 2004 Nestle Nesquik Single Dome Tank Car $54.99 $45.00 $43.00 6-48412 2002 Alaska Three-Dome Tank Car $49.95 $50.00 $47.00 6-48416 2004 Campbell Soup Single Dome Tank Car $54.99 $45.00 $43.00 6-48514 1997 1046 Gilbert Intermodal TTUX Set $60.00 $55.00 6-48524 2002 Borden Flatcar $49.95 $43.00 $40.00 6-48525 2001 Burlington Gondola $49.95 $43.00 $40.00 6-48528 2002 Conrail Flatcar w/Wheel Load $49.95 $45.00 $43.00 6-48529 2002 NYC Flatcar w/Wheel Load $49.95 $40.00 $38.00 6-48621 2002 CN Covered Hopper $49.95 $38.00 $36.00 6-48622 2003 Burlington Hopper w/Coal Load $49.99 $44.00 $42.00 6-48628 2005 Duluth, Missabe & Iron Range Hopper $52.99 $47.00 $45.00 6-48722 2002 Rock Island Caboose $54.95 $50.00 $47.00 6-48724 2003 Seaboard Caboose $49.99 $50.00 $47.00 6-48725 2003-04 NYC Caboose $49.99 $50.00 $47.00 6-48726 2004 NYC Boom Car $49.99 $45.00 $42.00 6-48808 2003 Pacific Fruit Express Reefer $49.99 $51.00 $48.00 6-48809 2004 NP Reefer $49.99 $35.00 $35.00 6-48964 2003 NYC Baggage Car $59.99 $80.00 $78.00 6-48965 2003 B&O Passenger Car 2 Pack $119.99 $120.00 $115.00 6-48968 2005 SF Passenger Car 2 Pack $119.99 $100.00 $95.00 6-49011 2003 UP "Moe & Joe" Operating Lumber Car $69.99 $65.00 $62.00 6-49012 2003 SF Crane Car $69.99 $63.00 $60.00 6-49013 2004 PRR Depressed Center Searchlight Car $69.99 $62.00 $60.00 6-49014 2004 NYC Crane Car $69.99 $63.00 $60.00 6-49015 2004 West Side Lumber "Moe & Joe" Operating Lumber Car $69.99 $65.00 $62.00 6-49017 2004 GN Animated Caboose $69.99 $60.00 $57.00 6-49022 2005 M.O.W. Depressed Center Searchlight Car $74.99 $68.00 $65.00 6-49023 2005 NYC Walking Brakeman Car $74.99 $65.00 $62.00 6-49810 2003-04 787 Log Loader $129.99 $150.00 $145.00 6-49811 2003-04 773 Oil Derrick $59.99 $40.00 $38.00 6-49812 2003-04 755 Talking Station $199.99 $70.00 $70.00 6-49813 2003-04 789 Baggage Smasher $129.99 $70.00 $70.00 6-49818 2004 23830 Monon Piggyback Unloader & Flatcar $69.99 $60.00 $57.00 6-49819 2004 Electromagnetic Crane $249.99 $190.00 $185.00 6-49824 2005 770 Loading Platform & Car $149.99 $135.00 $130.00 I have to clear out space as I become one of 4 distributors for Fred Jester's manufactured parts lines. Joe Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer ###################Authorized Lionel Service Center#################### ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@....###########.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66354	From: David	Date: 10/28/2011
Subject: DEVILS FORK COAL CO. Decals

We are now offering a single set as well as a four car set of decals for the DEVILS FORK COAL CO. twin bay hopper. They may be purchased in BLACK or WHITE. To view please use the likn below and go to the hopper section on the page: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page04.html Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66355	From: Timboy	Date: 10/28/2011
Subject: Re: Renewed interest in customized/kit bashed Flyer

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Tim is 100% correct! The counter on My Flyer Trains has zoomed of late too with my Kit Bashing guide there. Even on my political/current events blog, there are many more readers than people who e-mail about it. There is obviously a thirst for knowledge well beyond the number of people who will write. > While I'm may be the most "vocal" (and certainly the most disliked by collectors) I'm not longest running or the best rebuilder of old Flyer. Folks like Al Baker do great work, he's just more modest than I am! :-) > There are many others doing kit bashing and scratch building in S, and even more wanting to know more about it. I get e-mails all the time asking about kit bashing and scratch building, and not just in S gauge. > I think the difference is that I have a knack for writing and teaching, and am not afraid to go against the grain from time to time.:-) > Perhaps as the stigma against such things goes by the wayside, and the economy makes building things rather than buying things more neceassry, we'll see much more discussion and information appearing. > I can only encourage everyone to try something new. An investment of knowledge and skill in yourself is something that can never be taken away. > Be creative and tell us all about it! > Stumpy Stone... hiding from collectors and rivet counters in Appalachia :-) > Stumpy & Gang: Thanks, but I don't think I have EVER been accused of being 100% right on this Forum. Triple lol. Anyhoo, look at how many posts are on the front page about buying, selling, collecting, train shows and making simple repairs. Pretty revealing as to the make-up of this Forum, I think. OBTW, very nice work, Al Baker! So that everyone doesn't think I'm bashing this Forum, while you all are looking at Al Baker's very fine work, look at all the other pics of all the work that has been done over the years. That is what I was referring to as a "body of work". Just as a great model RR takes years to create, a body of work does not happen overnight. It's cumulative. I've gotten emails from guys who are "chicken" to post pics of their layouts and rebuild efforts. As Stumpy has done, I have also tried to encourage them to build a web site or otherwise use our photo album and toot their own horns. Aside from one or two clicks on this Forum where people connect at York or wherever, pretty much everyone is as anonymous as they want to be. I am nothing more than so many bits and bytes on a computer monitor right now to 90-some or more percent of you. That's how most people are, so my point is what do you have to lose in your REAL life if you post some pics of your layout or builds that you think are "not worthy"? Nothing. Don't be that "chicken". Let's see what you do. Regards, Timboy, The Obscure

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66356	From: tbennerohio	Date: 10/28/2011
Subject: Testing an Alco power truck

Hello all, After rebushing a 360 last winter it ran okay, but no better than it did before rebushing. It seemed like the front truck was not as fast as the rear. Now that it is train season again I put it back on the track and the front truck barely runs forward and not at all in reverse. So it is apart on the bench again. After re-centering the field and checking the windings for continuity I would like to run the font truck on the bench before assembling. Can someone confirm or correct me if wrong on the test wiring? I think it is Power to brush A Brush B to field A Field B to power Reverse field connections to reverse the motor. Correct? Thanks Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66357	From: Ray Cook	Date: 10/28/2011
Subject: Re: Testing an Alco power truck

I'm about 99 per cent positive that's correct.  Good luck & let us know whatcha find.                         Ray Cook            in frosty Irwin, PA ________________________________ From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 7:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Testing an Alco power truck Hello all, After rebushing a 360 last winter it ran okay, but no better than it did before rebushing.  It seemed like the front truck was not as fast as the rear.  Now that it is train season again I put it back on the track and the front truck barely runs forward and not at all in reverse. So it is apart on the bench again.  After re-centering the field and checking the windings for continuity I would like to run the font truck on the bench before assembling.  Can someone confirm or correct me if wrong on the test wiring?  I think it is Power to brush A Brush B to field A Field B to power Reverse field connections to reverse the motor.  Correct? Thanks Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66358	From: Joseph H	Date: 10/29/2011
Subject: Re: FOR SALE Items

I already have a listing of the more than 1300 parts that I now stock. Once we get this thing up and running in about six months, I plan to have a quantities listing available as well. BTW, the Parts List is available for $1 and a double-stamped business-sized envelope. The listing includes a coupon for $1 off on your next order. Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Stanley Sobieski" <americanflyer@...> wrote: > > Hi Joe > > Will you have a list on line of parts and prices? > > > Thanks Stan ---rest of message truncated

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66359	From: David Engle	Date: 10/29/2011
Subject: Re: Testing an Alco power truck

Decades ago there was a firm called Pittman Motors that made a lot of models of motors at the time. I never tried it, but I remember a Herald article that showed how to replace the AF motor with a DC-71? of theirs. It was a relatively simple -out, IIRC. DJE ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Cook To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Testing an Alco power truck I'm about 99 per cent positive that's correct. Good luck & let us know whatcha find. Ray Cook in frosty Irwin, PA ________________________________ From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 7:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Testing an Alco power truck Hello all, After rebushing a 360 last winter it ran okay, but no better than it did before rebushing. It seemed like the front truck was not as fast as the rear. Now that it is train season again I put it back on the track and the front truck barely runs forward and not at all in reverse. So it is apart on the bench again. After re-centering the field and checking the windings for continuity I would like to run the font truck on the bench before assembling. Can someone confirm or correct me if wrong on the test wiring? I think it is Power to brush A Brush B to field A Field B to power Reverse field connections to reverse the motor. Correct? Thanks Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66360	From: Ray Puls	Date: 10/29/2011
Subject: Re: Testing an Alco power truck

It sounds as though you might not have any backlash in your worm set on this power truck. When you hold the armature to keep it from turning, can you get a small amount of rotation on the wheel sets, just enough to make sure it is not binding? Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66361	From: Alex_ai2q	Date: 10/29/2011
Subject: Re: Testing an Alco power truck

I'd like to see that article, too, as I have a brand new Pitman motor here just waiting to be used. == Alex in Maine http://home.roadrunner.com/~alexmm ----- Original Message ----- From: David Engle To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Testing an Alco power truck Decades ago there was a firm called Pittman Motors that made a lot of models of motors at the time. I never tried it, but I remember a Herald article that showed how to replace the AF motor with a DC-71? of theirs. It was a relatively simple -out, IIRC. DJE ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Cook To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Testing an Alco power truck I'm about 99 per cent positive that's correct. Good luck & let us know whatcha find. Ray Cook in frosty Irwin, PA ________________________________ From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 7:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Testing an Alco power truck Hello all, After rebushing a 360 last winter it ran okay, but no better than it did before rebushing. It seemed like the front truck was not as fast as the rear. Now that it is train season again I put it back on the track and the front truck barely runs forward and not at all in reverse. So it is apart on the bench again. After re-centering the field and checking the windings for continuity I would like to run the font truck on the bench before assembling. Can someone confirm or correct me if wrong on the test wiring? I think it is Power to brush A Brush B to field A Field B to power Reverse field connections to reverse the motor. Correct? Thanks Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66362	From: nightshift.geo	Date: 10/29/2011
Subject: scale dioramas available

I have two scratchbuilt S Scale buildings/scrap yards dioramas available.Both represent vintage buildings, one a auto sales/repair facility, the other a general repair facility with a John Deere franchise. both have scrap yards and many other features. see at http://nightshiftart.webs.com/.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66363	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/29/2011
Subject: Re: Testing an Alco power truck

SnS Trains has can motor conversions for the Diesel Trucks. Work great. Many on this list have availed themselves of them. Steve In a message dated 10/29/2011 10:14:15 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, alexmm@... writes: I'd like to see that article, too, as I have a brand new Pitman motor here just waiting to be used. == Alex in Maine _http://home.roadrunner.com/~alexmm_ (http://home.roadrunner.com/~alexmm) ----- Original Message ----- From: David Engle To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Testing an Alco power truck Decades ago there was a firm called Pittman Motors that made a lot of models of motors at the time. I never tried it, but I remember a Herald article that showed how to replace the AF motor with a DC-71? of theirs. It was a relatively simple -out, IIRC. DJE ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Cook To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Testing an Alco power truck I'm about 99 per cent positive that's correct. Good luck & let us know whatcha find. Ray Cook in frosty Irwin, PA ________________________________ From: tbennerohio <_tim.benner@..._ (mailto:tim.benner@...) > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 7:26 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Testing an Alco power truck Hello all, After rebushing a 360 last winter it ran okay, but no better than it did before rebushing. It seemed like the front truck was not as fast as the rear. Now that it is train season again I put it back on the track and the front truck barely runs forward and not at all in reverse. So it is apart on the bench again. After re-centering the field and checking the windings for continuity I would like to run the font truck on the bench before assembling. Can someone confirm or correct me if wrong on the test wiring? I think it is Power to brush A Brush B to field A Field B to power Reverse field connections to reverse the motor. Correct? Thanks Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at _http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo_ (http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Yahoo) ! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66364	From: David	Date: 10/29/2011
Subject: DEVILS FORK COAL COMPANY 2 BAY HOPPER

We have just added 4 photos to our album here at this site showing our Devils Fork Coal Company decals installed on an AF twin bay hopper. For any that are interested please use the link below to view: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/2099290812/pic/1820968760/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66365	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/29/2011
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] If a Lionel 145 gateman went to the shrink

I thought I would forward this from the TCA list. I believe it is really a 45 N not a 145 in the subject line. I needed a 45N Lionel man for my layout to be at the Produce market, holding a create of apples. He is the right height. He is called a Muffler man, first seen at a Muffler shop in the 50s, but this type of man was used to hawk the wares or services of a place. And yes, someone like that in a woman form was the Uniroyal Gal. I don’t much about Lionel, but I know it is too big, has three rails and the 45N is a gateman in the house. Snowing in MD, on October 29, weird. Mike From: Joseph Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 3:09 PM To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [toytrains] If a Lionel 145 gateman went to the shrink This brilliant bit of fantasy was posted in 2003 by Scott Long. *********************************************************** "Look, I've been living and working in virtually the same little white shed for over sixty years. Twenty four hours a day, 365 days a year. I answered when Joshua Lionel Cowen called on me in 1935 to come work for Lionel. Between then and now there were some lean years. 1966-87 was really tough on me. Everybody was lean between 1942 and 1944. It was tough on everyone; there was a war on. I shouldn't complain, there are worse jobs, like my cousin who just waves a flag out there in the elements. My other cousin lived in Russia for a couple of years. He did the same job I do. They gave him a Russian overcoat for a uniform. He used to keep a bottle of vodka in the pocket for "warmth" during the Cold War. Then there's the mean old man that makes people dance in circles for their newspapers. He'd be an interesting patient. "How do people describe me? I have been described as: "most popular" (which is tough considering I'm over twelve feet tall and scare most people who live on the layout), "longest-lived" and "reliable". They should add "gets no respect". Rarely am I found to be worth even close to one hundred dollars, even with original box. No respect! "My job? I am treated far worse than any lab rat. When the trains are running, a harsh unshaded single bulb lamp burns above my head. If a train comes down the tracks, I hear a loud ear-drum-breaking warning buzzer, the door swings open, I am pushed out, I swing arm with my "illuminated" lantern, I stand there like a complete idiot until the train goes by, I am pushed back in the shed, and the door slams in my face. Mindless work I tell ya. Everyday: BUZZ! in-out, swing the lantern... BUZZ! in-out, swing the lantern... BUZZ! in-out, swing the lantern... I'm not even given a piece of cheese for my trouble. I won't even begin to mention that my arm sometimes gets stuck and smashed by the door. I think it is atrophied. I never use it for anything, besides holding that $%#$ lantern. "My work environment? My shanty has had one improvement over the years. I used to stare at a white door all day long. Now I have a new red door with a window! I can look out, but they took away my chimney. Now if I wanted to start a fire to keep warm I couldn't. It gets cold, then hot, and then cold, then hot. There's no heat besides what is generated by the bulb, and when the trains are running it can get hot! But, it's drafty when the trains aren't running, and when the bulb is out it gets cold! Once my plastic clapboard siding was metal, talk about living in an icebox around Christmas time. Brrrrr. There's no toilet and no place to even hang a hammock, so I always sleep standing in the cold and dark. I do have a toolbox, but no tools, and no way to actually open the thing, if I ever went outside to do anything but swing the $%#$ lantern. I hate that $%#$ lantern! When the trains arn't running, not even enough light to read by... As for landscaping (if you want to call it that) around the shed they gave me a green painted hard metal surface and a cross buck sign that's screwed into the metal green floor. No bushes, no trees, no rocks. Oh, and the uniform. Let's just say it has seen better years...." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66366	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 10/29/2011
Subject: Re: FOR SALE Items

to what address? ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Joseph H" <joestrainrepair@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: FOR SALE Items Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 13:16:39 -0000 I already have a listing of the more than 1300 parts that I now stock. Once we get this thing up and running in about six months, I plan to have a quantities listing available as well.<br><br>BTW, the Parts List is available for $1 and a double-stamped business-sized envelope. The listing includes a coupon for $1 off on your next order

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66367	From: Dave	Date: 10/29/2011
Subject: PAZAN OLD MOTOR TRUCKS DISCOUNTS ;o)

Beginning November 1st and continuing until December 31st we will be selling the world famous PAZAN OLD MOTOR TRUCKS at unbelievable low prices as a way of saying MERRY CHRISTMAS to our thousands of "S" scale modeler friends. So, Keep this email address handy and check often as we will be offering singles as well as selected multiple units. http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/page08.html This is a one time notification and will not be repeated. Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66368	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/29/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] If a Lionel 145 gateman went to the shrink

I have been informed that there is a 145 for Lionel. My bad. LOL but it is a neat story someone wrote about it anyway. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNRbocWYA5M Anyway, this is a neat train layout with animation, which reminds me of a Twilight Zone episode from 1960, Elegy. Mike From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 5:38 PM To: S Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: [toytrains] If a Lionel 145 gateman went to the shrink I thought I would forward this from the TCA list. I believe it is really a 45 N not a 145 in the subject line. I needed a 45N Lionel man for my layout to be at the Produce market, holding a create of apples. He is the right height. He is called a Muffler man, first seen at a Muffler shop in the 50s, but this type of man was used to hawk the wares or services of a place. And yes, someone like that in a woman form was the Uniroyal Gal. I don’t much about Lionel, but I know it is too big, has three rails and the 45N is a gateman in the house. Snowing in MD, on October 29, weird. Mike From: Joseph Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 3:09 PM To: mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [toytrains] If a Lionel 145 gateman went to the shrink This brilliant bit of fantasy was posted in 2003 by Scott Long. *********************************************************** "Look, I've been living and working in virtually the same little white shed for over sixty years. Twenty four hours a day, 365 days a year. I answered when Joshua Lionel Cowen called on me in 1935 to come work for Lionel. Between then and now there were some lean years. 1966-87 was really tough on me. Everybody was lean between 1942 and 1944. It was tough on everyone; there was a war on. I shouldn't complain, there are worse jobs, like my cousin who just waves a flag out there in the elements. My other cousin lived in Russia for a couple of years. He did the same job I do. They gave him a Russian overcoat for a uniform. He used to keep a bottle of vodka in the pocket for "warmth" during the Cold War. Then there's the mean old man that makes people dance in circles for their newspapers. He'd be an interesting patient. "How do people describe me? I have been described as: "most popular" (which is tough considering I'm over twelve feet tall and scare most people who live on the layout), "longest-lived" and "reliable". They should add "gets no respect". Rarely am I found to be worth even close to one hundred dollars, even with original box. No respect! "My job? I am treated far worse than any lab rat. When the trains are running, a harsh unshaded single bulb lamp burns above my head. If a train comes down the tracks, I hear a loud ear-drum-breaking warning buzzer, the door swings open, I am pushed out, I swing arm with my "illuminated" lantern, I stand there like a complete idiot until the train goes by, I am pushed back in the shed, and the door slams in my face. Mindless work I tell ya. Everyday: BUZZ! in-out, swing the lantern... BUZZ! in-out, swing the lantern... BUZZ! in-out, swing the lantern... I'm not even given a piece of cheese for my trouble. I won't even begin to mention that my arm sometimes gets stuck and smashed by the door. I think it is atrophied. I never use it for anything, besides holding that $%#$ lantern. "My work environment? My shanty has had one improvement over the years. I used to stare at a white door all day long. Now I have a new red door with a window! I can look out, but they took away my chimney. Now if I wanted to start a fire to keep warm I couldn't. It gets cold, then hot, and then cold, then hot. There's no heat besides what is generated by the bulb, and when the trains are running it can get hot! But, it's drafty when the trains aren't running, and when the bulb is out it gets cold! Once my plastic clapboard siding was metal, talk about living in an icebox around Christmas time. Brrrrr. There's no toilet and no place to even hang a hammock, so I always sleep standing in the cold and dark. I do have a toolbox, but no tools, and no way to actually open the thing, if I ever went outside to do anything but swing the $%#$ lantern. I hate that $%#$ lantern! When the trains arn't running, not even enough light to read by... As for landscaping (if you want to call it that) around the shed they gave me a green painted hard metal surface and a cross buck sign that's screwed into the metal green floor. No bushes, no trees, no rocks. Oh, and the uniform. Let's just say it has seen better years...." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66369	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/29/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/30/2011, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 66370	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 10/29/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] If a Lionel 145 gateman went to the shrink

Mike, That is amazing. The animations are super and the story line is also well done. You brigthened up my somewhat dismal day with that. Thank you my friend! David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I have been informed that there is a 145 for Lionel. My bad. LOL but it is a neat story someone wrote about it anyway. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNRbocWYA5M > > Anyway, this is a neat train layout with animation, which reminds me of a Twilight Zone episode from 1960, Elegy. > > Mike > > From: Michael & Linda Marmer > Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 5:38 PM > To: S Trains > Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: [toytrains] If a Lionel 145 gateman went to the shrink > > > I thought I would forward this from the TCA list. > > I believe it is really a 45 N not a 145 in the subject line. > > I needed a 45N Lionel man for my layout to be at the Produce market, holding a create of apples. He is the right height. He is called a Muffler man, first seen at a Muffler shop in the 50s, but this type of man was used to hawk the wares or services of a place. And yes, someone like that in a woman form was the Uniroyal Gal. > > I don’t much about Lionel, but I know it is too big, has three rails and the 45N is a gateman in the house. > > Snowing in MD, on October 29, weird. > > Mike > > From: Joseph > Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 3:09 PM > To: mailto:toytrains%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [toytrains] If a Lionel 145 gateman went to the shrink > > This brilliant bit of fantasy was posted in 2003 by Scott Long. > > *********************************************************** > > "Look, I've been living and working in virtually the same little white > shed for over sixty years. Twenty four hours a day, 365 days a > year. I answered when Joshua Lionel Cowen called on me in > 1935 to come work for Lionel. Between then and now there were some > lean years. 1966-87 was really tough on me. Everybody was lean > between 1942 and 1944. It was tough on everyone; there was a war on. > I shouldn't complain, there are worse jobs, like my cousin who just > waves a flag out there in the elements. My other cousin lived in > Russia for a couple of years. He did the same job I do. They gave > him a Russian overcoat for a uniform. He used to keep a bottle of > vodka in the pocket for "warmth" during the Cold War. Then there's > the mean old man that makes people dance in circles for their > newspapers. He'd be an interesting patient. > > "How do people describe me? I have been described as: "most > popular" (which is tough considering I'm over twelve feet tall and > scare most people who live on the layout), "longest-lived" > and "reliable". They should add "gets no respect". Rarely am I > found to be worth even close to one hundred dollars, even with > original box. No respect! > > "My job? I am treated far worse than any lab rat. When the trains > are running, a harsh unshaded single bulb lamp burns above my head. > If a train comes down the tracks, I hear a loud ear-drum-breaking > warning buzzer, the door swings open, I am pushed out, I swing arm > with my "illuminated" lantern, I stand there like a complete idiot > until the train goes by, I am pushed back in the shed, and the > door slams in my face. Mindless work I tell ya. Everyday: BUZZ! in-out, swing the lantern... BUZZ! in-out, swing the lantern... BUZZ! > in-out, swing the lantern... I'm not even given a piece of cheese > for my trouble. I won't even begin to mention that my arm sometimes > gets stuck and smashed by the door. I think it is atrophied. I never > use it for anything, besides holding that $%#$ lantern. > > "My work environment? My shanty has had one improvement over the > years. I used to stare at a white door all day long. Now I have a > new red door with a window! I can look out, but they took away my chimney. Now if I wanted to start a fire to keep > warm I couldn't. It gets cold, then hot, and then cold, then hot. > There's no heat besides what is generated by the bulb, and when the > trains are running it can get hot! But, it's drafty when the trains > aren't running, and when the bulb is out it gets cold! Once my plastic clapboard siding was metal, talk about living in an icebox around Christmas time. Brrrrr. There's no toilet and no place to even hang a hammock, so I always sleep standing in the cold and dark. I do have a toolbox, but no tools, and no way to actually open the thing, if I ever went outside to do anything but swing the $%#$ lantern. I hate that $%#$ lantern! When the trains arn't running, not even enough light to read by... As for landscaping (if you want to call it that) around the shed they gave me a green painted hard metal surface and a cross buck sign that's screwed into the metal green floor. No bushes, no trees, no rocks. Oh, and the uniform. Let's just say it has seen better years...." > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66371	From: Timboy	Date: 10/30/2011
Subject: An Interesting Array of Cut-Down Vintage Flyer Switches

Hey American Flyer Guys: I posted a couple pics of what I think is an interesting array of cut-down vintage Flyer switches that make up my yard. To see them and something else I'm thinking about, visit: http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ Look for the 10/30/2011 update at my blog site. Regards, Timboy, A Vintage American Flyer Guy (Vintage because I'M OLD! lol)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66372	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/30/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] If a Lionel 145 gateman went to the shrink

David, You are welcome as someone sent that to me. Very well done. Al Baker is in Maryland from Oregon and he will be here shortly. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66373	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/30/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: [toytrains] If a Lionel 145 gateman went to the shrink

David, Brighten your day up a bit, go fix some AF Lionel trucks? Just kidding. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66374	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 10/30/2011
Subject: Pittman Motors

Yes, I remember these, but for Slot cars. My one and only “scratch built” slot car had/has a Kemptron brass tube chassis with a Pittman X503 motor. It’s kinda large too! Egads, I built this thing back in ‘67! I did about a year of Slot Cars before I went back to my trains! S’ David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66375	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/30/2011
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] TCA Annual Appeal & Orange Border

Standing up for S rights at the TCA. LOL Mike From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 11:17 AM To: Toy Trains Cc: Don Thompson ; James Hannawald ; Barry Jamison ; Joseph Haenn ; robert hendrickson ; gerald r dobbs ; frank emiro ; Gerald Feldman Subject: [toytrains] TCA Annual Appeal & Orange Border Dear TCA, I just filled out my annual TCA appeal pledge, but I could do without the orange border color you like to use on the form. I think next year to be fair for us in the minority of "that" other gauge, I think the border color should be red, or maybe a blue with some yellow on the form. What do you think? (line stolen from Mystery Science Theatre 3000). And then that TCA logo with that 3 rail track...........shouldn't it be changed to reflect 2 rail track too. One piece of three rail track and one piece of two rail track. Track for all!!!!! Mike Marmer ***Nothing better to do today, eh, Mike? LOL*** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66376	From: joestrainrepair	Date: 10/30/2011
Subject: Re: FOR SALE Items

I already have a listing of the more than 1300 parts that I now stock. Once we get this thing up and running in about six months, I plan to have a quantities listing available as well. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "n9guy@..." <n9guy@...> wrote: > > to what address? > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Joseph H" <joestrainrepair@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: FOR SALE Items > Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 13:16:39 -0000 > > > I already have a listing of the more than 1300 parts that I now stock. Once we get this thing up and running in about six months, I plan to have a quantities listing available as well.<br><br>BTW, the Parts List is available for $1 and a double-stamped business-sized envelope. The listing includes a coupon for $1 off on your next order > BTW, the Parts List is available for $1 and a double-stamped business-sized envelope. The listing includes a coupon for $1 off on your next order. Address is: Joe's Train Repair 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66377	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/30/2011
Subject: York, Cooking in the hotel room.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UojYtPKMyv4&feature=related For those of you who need to cut down on expenses at York, here is a cooking tip for you on what to cook in the hotel room. Now you got more money to buy trains! Tim is a good friend, as he is the 3rd base coach for the Giants and played 10 years for the Padres from 1989 to 1999, being in the All Star game a couple of times, I believe. he is also a favorite singer too with about 10 CDs. Mike -----Original Message----- From: tflan11@ Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 12:12 PM To: Michael & Linda Marmer Subject: Re: Cardinals Ha...Cruz needed the mushrooms..he plays no doubles or dosent drift on that last out instead of thinking how he will celebrate they win...but again you honor the game the game honor you...enjoy the new music..headed out to start my 20 show tour...got a couple booked with Weir and Lesh..should be fun...get that leg well, you might have to steal a base..tim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66378	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 10/30/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 10/30/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday October 30, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66379	From: Gerry Evans	Date: 10/30/2011
Subject: Athern SW 1500

YO! I bought one of Peter McParlin's (Backwoods Miniatures) engine kits at the narrow-gauge convention. Though the engine is On3, it will work well for S. In order to make this engine run, I need the mechanism only from an Athern HO SW1500 where the fuel tank is part of the chassis, not the body. Might anyone have one of these lying around he/she wishes to sell? Please respond off-group so everyone is not bothered with extra e-mail. Gerry Evans In St. Louis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66380	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/30/2011
Subject: Al Baker

Al Baker from Portland, Oregon came by my house, as I think he was here for almost 4 hours, which was fine. I showed him my AF collection and then explained the layout, how I built it, no experience, talked about the items on the layout, even showed him the milk bottles. I told him how Don Thompson smuggled two bottles out of Hong Kong, I think, and back into the US for me. Sadly, Al was in MD for a sad reason, the passing of his Aunt. He wont be back home until Wednesday, as he hopes to visit the B&O Museum in Baltimore. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66381	From: John Degnan	Date: 10/30/2011
Subject: S Scale Yahoo Groups List

Below is a list of links to all of the S Scale Yahoo groups that I know of... US and foreign... scale oriented and otherwise. If anyone knows of any other S oriented groups not listed here, please post a reply with the link. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/1-64ModelingGuidePopValve http://groups.yahoo.com/group/1-64th-Scale_SIG http://groups.yahoo.com/group/64VintageVehicles http://groups.yahoo.com/group/finescale64 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Free-moS http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nasgmembers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/one64brass http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Proto64 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Highlights http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Mod http://groups.yahoo.com/group/s-modular http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-NewsLine http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S_Scale_List http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S_Scale_Traction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SSPM http://groups.yahoo.com/group/showcaseline http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sn2_Trains http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Southeastern_ScaleS_modular_layout http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sscalemodelrailroading Thanks. John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66382	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/31/2011
Subject: Lionel AF Report Addendum

Great report by Bob Bubeck and Doug Peck on the AF stuff at the Lionel booth. I have just a couple of things to add:   1.  There will be a separate terminal track section at extra expense. They did not even consider making each track section with spade lugs (as done by SHS) so that each section can become a terminal track section.   2.  Lionel was unable to give a date for delivery of this track. This track was hastily announced when Lionel lost the rights to produce the K-Line copy of the original Gilbert AF track with an original June 2011 delivery date. That was unrealistic and probably just done to show that they would be producing a new track line in the future.   3.  At present there are no track adapter sections in production.   4.  The Challengers were put on the ship the week before York. It will take 6 weeks to get them here and distributed. The U-boats have not been shipped.   5.  The newly designed AF freight car truck is now in production. It was on the Herhey tank car displayed at York and will be used for this and future production cars. This reinforced truck should take care of the "broken in the box" problem, BUT does not address the coupler problem (couplers open far enough to uncouple but not enough to recouple without help from the "big hand in the sky".   It was a pleasure meeting so many of Fred Jester's customers who stopped by my booth to sign the In Memorium book for Fred, which will be delivered to his wife Jody after the April York show. I look forward to serving each of you in the future as I will be carrying all of the parts previously manufactured under Fred's leadership. We really missed him at the show, and even more so at our customary Friday dinner together. Some of you know that a TCA member "keyed" Fred's truck at last April's York Meet. I am happy to report that Fred's wife Jody and daughter Amanda won their court case in York the Monday following the end of the York Meet to settle this matter.   Joe Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.############################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.###################.American Flyer Parts Dealer ###################Authorized Lionel Service Center#################### ....Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,100 part numbers.... American Models.##.DesPlaines Hobbies.##.S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@....###########.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66383	From: Frank	Date: 10/31/2011
Subject: For Sale

I have an extra New Haven 3 car set made in the USA by Lionel. They are new/ mint in the box. If interested email me for photo and price. Frank Sent from my iPhone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66384	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 10/31/2011
Subject: Re: For Sale

Hi Frank, Please send photos & price. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Date: Monday, October 31, 2011 3:13 pm Subject: [S-Trains] For Sale To: S Trains > I have an extra New Haven 3 car set made in the USA by Lionel. > They are new/ mint in the box. If interested email me for photo > and price. > Frank > > Sent from my iPhone > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66385	From: Al Baker	Date: 10/31/2011
Subject: Re: Al Baker

Saw Strasburg today, B&O Museum tomorrow (Nov1). About the 6th time for both - just can't get enough! Had a very, very nice visit with Mike. He is a great host (thank you Mike!). Mike has a really nice layout, a very nice mix of hi-rail and scale (atleast that is how I would describe it). It's very well done! And his AF collection - wow! Some real nice stuff. I was very impressed! ...if you are there, don't miss seeing the milk bottles and other collections! Thanks again Mike! Al --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Al Baker from Portland, Oregon came by my house, as I think he was here for almost 4 hours, which was fine. > > I showed him my AF collection and then explained the layout, how I built it, no experience, talked about the items on the layout, even showed him the milk bottles. I told him how Don Thompson smuggled two bottles out of Hong Kong, I think, and back into the US for me. > > Sadly, Al was in MD for a sad reason, the passing of his Aunt. > > He wont be back home until Wednesday, as he hopes to visit the B&O Museum in Baltimore. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66386	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 10/31/2011
Subject: Re: Marx Molds

Hi Dick, I would very much like to see pictures of your A.F. 3/16 0 layout with Marx cars. Are there pictures posted in the S-trains group or the Marx group? I have recently gotten into collecting the A.F. 0 and have been collecting Marx for a few years. I also collect A.F. S. Thank you. Lon Walker Northern IL --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hosmer <richardahosmer@...> wrote: > > Dale, > > Was that the "under construction" layout in the antique store on the "North" tour from PCR-NMRA X2011? > If so, it was mine, and I've been really happy with the Marx freight items. The coupler issue is solved by swapping tender trucks, though I haven't done one of the 6-wheel tenders yet. Have made some progress with modifying a Flyer uncoupler to handle Marx as well. It's getting very close but not yet foolproof. Fortunately, the added surface needed to cam the Marx lug over has zero negative impact on lifting the regular Flyer links. > > For passenger cars, however, I usually run die-cast Gilbert heavyweights, behind a Hudson or Northern. > The passenger yard, and wye, are now fully operational but not ballasted. Freight yard (on the "E") and turntable are next. The convention was about a year too soon! > > Dick Hosmer > > > > . > On Oct 16, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Dale Smith wrote: > > > I don't collect Marx per se. The only Marx items I have are old windup > > trains from my pre-flyer days (age 6 and under) and as a child, I > > thought Marx was junk, but recently I have started to see its appeal. > > This summer I saw some of the fine prewar litho cars running on a 3/16 O > > gauge flyer layout. The owner said he preferred the Marx freight cars > > to those made by Flyer because of the superior graphics, which was > > clearly the case. This was all before plastic molding and before spray > > masking was perfected to the state it is today. It has to be > > appreciated in the context of its times. Even the 4 wheel tinplate > > stuff I disdained as a child has its appeal for the nostalgia for that > > era. It filled a niche and enabled kids whose parents couldn't afford > > Flyer (or Lionel for that matter) to have a train set. > > > > Dale > > > > On 10/15/2011 3:52 PM, schwartzsj@... wrote: > >> > >> I always wondered about those Marx tin trains that Jim and Debbie > >> Flynn produced. I'd love to hear the "real story" about the > >> company--who supplied the money, etc. Their basic item was the Marx > >> tin boxcar, which has the detail of a loaf of bread--wait! The loaf of > >> bread has more! They cleverly made passenger cars, subway/elevated > >> cars, trolleys, and boxcars with beer names, and just about anything > >> else they could think of. But I kept asking myself: "Who wants this > >> stuff?" The original Marx stuff was cheapie stuff when it came out, > >> with little collector value, so why make more of this same stuff at > >> much higher prices? I will admit that Marx collectors are a "different > >> breed" (putting it nicely). > >> > >> You would always see great praise heaped upon Jim & Debbie Flynn in > >> TCA publications--I still couldn't figure it out. I'm not surprised > >> that they left the business. > >> > >> Steve > >> > >> > >> Please note: message attached > >> > >> From: "rapidrail1" <waynebeachy113@... > >> <mailto:waynebeachy113%40comcast.net>> > >> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > >> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Marx Molds > >> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:32:05 -0000 > >> > >> __________________________________________________________ > >> 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 > >> Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! > >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4e9a0f0ee1108e99216st01duc > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66387	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 10/31/2011
Subject: Re: Al Baker

Al, Thank you for the kind words, as you can never get enough of Strasburg,, PA or the B&O Museum. Anyone on the list is welcome to come by to see the AF collection, the layout and the 64 AF smoke fluid funnels in action lighting up the baseball field. And the milk bottles. Mike From: Al Baker Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 9:28 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Al Baker Saw Strasburg today, B&O Museum tomorrow (Nov1). About the 6th time for both - just can't get enough! Had a very, very nice visit with Mike. He is a great host (thank you Mike!). Mike has a really nice layout, a very nice mix of hi-rail and scale (atleast that is how I would describe it). It's very well done! And his AF collection - wow! Some real nice stuff. I was very impressed! ...if you are there, don't miss seeing the milk bottles and other collections! Thanks again Mike! Al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66388	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 10/31/2011
Subject: Re: S scale Yahoo groups lists update

Ok but what does ORG stand for please - its obviously an acronym?. Thanks Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To:"S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" Cc: Sent:Thu, 20 Oct 2011 10:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject:Re: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update   Absolutely, I found it by accident and even though I do not subscribe to ORG I am on the forum  My Forum name is "Major".  It is a great site with alot of updates!  ________________________________ From: Michael & Linda Marmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update   RG, Funny that I was just on the ORG forum as a saved webpage from that site someone sent me, had some neat pictures of real trains in Chicago, 1970 with the long gone diesels. Pictures where great. Sad to see that link is gone, But I am not a member of the ORG as I notice the link for a S list on it, as I thought they where just strictly O. So, you recommend joining the S part of it? Mike From: R G Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:21 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update I have seen that also, and it would be nice it they were cleaned up. But I have notice that when it come to S-Scale this board and the ORG forum seem to have the most activity. CTT is mostly O guage and while I am on it occasionaly I find the information here and the ORG forum the most interesting and current. ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 11:11 AM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update Many of the Yahoo Groups are dead, inactive, barely active, etc. And it's not just in S gauge! I've found dead, inactive, or barely active Groups in every scale and gauge listed on Yahoo, as well as model car and slot car Groups. It seems that anybody can create a Yahoo Group, but nobody can get rid of them! Think how many of these worthless Groups there are among all the listings of Yahoo groups there are! That's lots of dead space being maintained. It sure would be nice to know which ones are active and which ones are not! Perhaps it would be better if Yahoo automatically dropped a Group once there is no activity after three months. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net [2] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [3] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com [4] mailto:keyhole_corona@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20RE%3AS%20scale%20Yahoo%20groups%20lists%20update [5] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20RE%3AS%20scale%20Yahoo%20groups%20lists%20update [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvaGhiNTRlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NjI3NgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTkxNDQ5OTc-?act=reply&messageNum=66276 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjNjNwM3I1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTkxNDQ5OTc- [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/66271;_ylc=X3oDMTM0ZTc2aWYwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NjI3NgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTkxNDQ5OTcEdHBjSWQDNjYyNzE- [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkcmQ3ZGNiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzE5MTQ0OTk3?o=6 [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkcjQ3ZDZrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzE5MTQ0OTk3 [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZ2pvcTA5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMTkxNDQ5OTc- [12] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ [13] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15ombqm6f/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1319152198/L=dda06638-fb5f-11e0-bd69-fb534ca088f4/B=0UKREtGDJG0-/J=1319144998019784/K=IpBHYvWwhmgBAX_SYfQ2Cg/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj [14] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiMzAzbjc0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMxOTE0NDk5Nw-- [15] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional [16] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest [17] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [18] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66389	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: S scale Yahoo groups lists update

Hi, Am I wrong or shouldn't there be some groups that are more for reference then for active discussion. They are there for when you need the information. They can be a handy place to store information that is available to others when needed. Maybe this is not enough for the originator of the group. I am not judging, just wondering. The Marx paper group might be an example of a mostly reference group. I don't know but maybe nobody has posted any files either for a long time. How much paper can there be out there anyway? Just thinking out loud. Lon Walker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > That applies to many non train list, as I am on and own a few in the world of music. > No activity, mainly because it is up to people to write in. > One train list I was on, collectable train paper, like instruction sheets, etc. is being taken down this weekend by the owner due to lack of activity. > Mike > From: mrstumpy50 > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 11:11 AM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update > > > Many of the Yahoo Groups are dead, inactive, barely active, etc. And it's not just in S gauge! I've found dead, inactive, or barely active Groups in every scale and gauge listed on Yahoo, as well as model car and slot car Groups. > It seems that anybody can create a Yahoo Group, but nobody can get rid of them! Think how many of these worthless Groups there are among all the listings of Yahoo groups there are! That's lots of dead space being maintained. > It sure would be nice to know which ones are active and which ones are not! Perhaps it would be better if Yahoo automatically dropped a Group once there is no activity after three months. > Stumpy in Ahia > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66390	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: S scale Yahoo groups lists update

it's ogr, not org, the letters got transposed and carried over, before anyone recognized the mistake, ogr is o-gauge railroading magazine, they have a subsection of their web site devoted to the "s- scalers", there is no org!!! On Oct 20, 2011, at 2:16 PM, alizoo@... wrote: > > > Ok but what does ORG stand for please - its obviously an acronym?. > Thanks Alistair > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > To:"S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" > Cc: > Sent:Thu, 20 Oct 2011 10:43:57 -0700 (PDT) > Subject:Re: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update > > > > Absolutely, I found it by accident and even though I do not > subscribe to ORG I am on the forum My Forum name is "Major". It > is a great site with alot of updates! > > ________________________________ > From: Michael & Linda Marmer > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:51 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update > > > RG, > > Funny that I was just on the ORG forum as a saved webpage from that > site someone sent me, had some neat pictures of real trains in > Chicago, 1970 with the long gone diesels. Pictures where great. Sad > to see that link is gone, But I am not a member of the ORG as I > notice the link for a S list on it, as I thought they where just > strictly O. > > So, you recommend joining the S part of it? > > Mike > > From: R G > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:21 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update > > I have seen that also, and it would be nice it they were cleaned up. > But I have notice that when it come to S-Scale this board and the ORG > forum seem to have the most activity. CTT is mostly O guage and while > I am on it occasionaly I find the information here and the ORG forum > the most interesting and current. > > ________________________________ > From: mrstumpy50 > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 11:11 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update > > Many of the Yahoo Groups are dead, inactive, barely active, etc. And > it's not just in S gauge! I've found dead, inactive, or barely active > Groups in every scale and gauge listed on Yahoo, as well as model car > and slot car Groups. > It seems that anybody can create a Yahoo Group, but nobody can get > rid of them! Think how many of these worthless Groups there are among > all the listings of Yahoo groups there are! That's lots of dead space > being maintained. > It sure would be nice to know which ones are active and which ones > are not! Perhaps it would be better if Yahoo automatically dropped a > Group once there is no activity after three months. > Stumpy in Ahia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - > http://www.adam.com.au/ > > Links: > ------ > [1] mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net > [2] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > [3] mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > [4] > mailto:keyhole_corona@...?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20RE% > 3AS%20scale%20Yahoo%20groups%20lists%20update > [5] > mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20RE% > 3AS%20scale%20Yahoo%20groups%20lists%20update > [6] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvaGhiNTRlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQD > MTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NjI3NgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTkxND > Q5OTc-?act=reply&messageNum=66276 > [7] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjNjNwM3I1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQD > MTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTkxNDQ5OTc- > [8] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/ > 66271;_ylc=X3oDMTM0ZTc2aWYwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQ > DMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NjI3NgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTkxN > DQ5OTcEdHBjSWQDNjYyNzE- > [9] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkcmQ3ZGNiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwS > WQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzE5MTQ0OTk3?o=6 > [10] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ > spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkcjQ3ZDZrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQ > DMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzE5MTQ0OTk3 > [11] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S- > Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZ2pvcTA5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSW > QDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMTkxNDQ5OTc- > [12] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/ > [13] > http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15ombqm6f/ > M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/ > Y=YAHOO/EXP=1319152198/L=dda06638-fb5f-11e0-bd69-fb534ca088f4/ > B=0UKREtGDJG0-/J=1319144998019784/K=IpBHYvWwhmgBAX_SYfQ2Cg/ > A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj > [14] > http:// > groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiMzAzbjc0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2Mjg > zBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMxOTE0NDk5N > w-- > [15] > mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change% > 20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional > [16] > mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:% > 20Digest > [17] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe > [18] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66391	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: Dunsmuire---Was Lionel U33C

Andre, Glad you enjoyed it—I was concerned that we were getting a bit far off subject. Yes, the helper grade is North of Dunsmuir. Helpers were usually added at Dunsmuir and taken off at various locations depending on time period, train load, and locomotive types. Early days, the trains would go through Cantara Loop, Sawmill Curve and take helpers off at Mott, just beyond Sawmill Curve and about 900’ higher than Dunsmuir. By the crow, that’s’ about 3 miles north, by tracks, probably 9 to 10 miles. Heavier trains, helpers would stay on through Mount Shasta (another hmm, 5 miles) to Black Butte –3 miles?? (I’m guessing on these, but the track diagrams are likely available). There they could be taken off. In modern times, the helpers usually stayed on until Grass Lake, another 10 to 15 miles. Of course, that’s after the Alturas cut-off was put in! Hope that helps some. I think there’s a few websites on the Shasta Division of the SP. Dunsmuir was a division point back then. S’ David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66392	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: -Vid: Mini-Panel Controlling S ga. Pt to Pt. w/alternating routes

SUBJECT: Automatic point-to-point operation with alternating routes, using the NCE DCC "Mini-Panel". I sometimes get the impression that I'm the only person on this Yahoo group that is interested in automatic control. But hopefully one or two others may find this video of interest. We made a temporary video -- demonstrating the use of an NCE (North Coast Engineering) DCC "Mini-Panel", to automatically control an 'S Helper Service' diesel with a Soundtraxx Tsunami sound decoder -- operating point-to-point on alternating routes. {{If you're not familiar with it, the NCE "Mini-Panel" is a little 6 inch square microprocessor board, into which you can "program" simple DCC commands -- such as 'start', 'stop', throw a turnout, 'do something' when a reed switch or other input is triggered . . . . and many of the commands you can send from the 'Pro Cab' handheld control unit. Instead of you sending commands from your Pro Cab by pushing the buttons, the Mini-Panel does it for you, by executing whatever sequence you program into it.}} An NCE "Snap It" switch controller, a capicator-discharge device, with extra capacitance added -- is used to throw the "current hungry" American Flyer turnout. {{We would have used an S-Helper turnout, but they're not available.}} A gentleman named Fred Cupp modified the Snap It, and also showed me how to program and operate the Mini Panel {{I'm not smart enough to figure out DCC by myself :) }}. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ THE VIDEO: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The video is the last of the 6 thumbnails in the following Picasa album: THE LINK: https://picasaweb.google.com/autocontrols.org/805 The 1st 3 minutes is the "demo" part, and the last 3 minutes is the "explanation" part. Note there is a VOLUME ADJUSTMENT slider at the lower left -- between the "Pause" button and the "elapsed time" counter. Note this Picasa video plays pretty much like a YouTube video, probably since both Picasa and YouTube are part of Google. The main difference I have found -- is that you can "skip around" in the YouTube videos, whereas the Picasa videos don't seem to allow you to "skip around" to different parts of the video; you can only play it from the beginning. ~~~~~~~~ We plan to use this point-to-point operation as part of a 2-day holiday display, that will have 2 loops of S gauge running on a 4x18 platform We intend to put this point-to-point display in the "empty space" in the center of the 2 loops. |--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Thanks. - James R. Ingram | Susquehanna S Gaugers Assistant Grunt | http://SusquehannaSgaugers.com | Williamsport PA --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66393	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: S Fest Observations

Well, after another 22 hours of drive-time, my wife and I returned home from St Louis late Monday night. What did we find?.......snow on the ground (not a surprise), trees and limbs down all around, and the entire area out of power since Saturday evening ! As I write this, there is still no power for several miles around, with minor exceptions. Luckily for us, a year ago we installed a permanent stand-by generator system which kicked in as soon as the power went out. Without it, we'd have found a fridge and freezer full of spoiled food, and melt-water from them all over the floors. Exactly the reason we made the decision to invest in this.....I highly recommend it to all! We're the only house in the entire area with full power these past 3 days. Anyway.......S-Fest content: we displayed, on loan from Lionel, a production-run Challenger, and a pre-production NoPac U33, and they drew a LOT of attention and scrutiny. Maybe I missed it, but so far I have seen no comments on the list from anyone, with their reactions to these engines (the Challengers are shipping to distributors and dealers now). With all of the comments and sight-unseen criticisms that have been posted over the past several weeks, I'd really like to see reactions from those who actually saw them last week. My impression was that most everyone was very positive about them both, and saw excellent potential in modifying the U33 by the "scale crowd". Anyone care to chime in here? Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66394	From: edwiehe1	Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: Looking for parts

John, I think possibly the gears from the autorama cars are the same and Amato may have them. Ed Wiehe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "johntech" <beebear@...> wrote: > > I have one of the rare #2373 Track Maintenance cars. I am looking for a used or broken piece > that has the drive gears in tact. I know Steve at SNS can revamp it with a DC CAN motor but this > one is in really good shape except for the spur gear on the axel is shot. I don't want to "Frankenstein" > it just yet. > > Does anyone have spare gears for this or know of anyone who could possibly make a gear for me? > > Thanks > > John Frankforther > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66395	From: Al Baker	Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: Al Baker - - and Mike Marmer

Just one last note on this. If you have been on this list for very long at all, you know Mike Marmer has been very active for quite a long time. Not only did I learn from my visit, that Mike is a really great S Gauger, and has some great trains, but that he is also a really great guy. Secretly (now it's not a secret) Mike is concerned that there are a few people who "thinks he has horns". Well, if you are one of them, let me assure you that I closely examined his head when I was there, and there are NO HORNS! Seriously, he is a really great guy and I have never met a nicer person! Al Baker Portland, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Al, > > Thank you for the kind words, as you can never get enough of Strasburg,, PA or the B&O Museum. > > Anyone on the list is welcome to come by to see the AF collection, the layout and the 64 AF smoke fluid funnels in action lighting up the baseball field. And the milk bottles. > > Mike > > From: Al Baker > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 9:28 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Al Baker > > > Saw Strasburg today, B&O Museum tomorrow (Nov1). About the 6th time for both - just can't get enough! > > Had a very, very nice visit with Mike. He is a great host (thank you Mike!). Mike has a really nice layout, a very nice mix of hi-rail and scale (atleast that is how I would describe it). It's very well done! And his AF collection - wow! Some real nice stuff. I was very impressed! ...if you are there, don't miss seeing the milk bottles and other collections! > > Thanks again Mike! > Al > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66396	From: R G	Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: S Fest Observations

I saw them at York and was very impressed with both of them.  I have both on order and I am looking forward to receiving them.  I truly like the new Flyer locomotives that Lionel has produced including the Big Boy and TMMC and now Legacy.  This in my opinion is the best time to be in S-Scale. ________________________________ From: Doug Peck <doug@...> To: S-Scale@yahoogroups.com Cc: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 8:43 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S Fest Observations   Well, after another 22 hours of drive-time, my wife and I returned home from St Louis late Monday night. What did we find?.......snow on the ground (not a surprise), trees and limbs down all around, and the entire area out of power since Saturday evening ! As I write this, there is still no power for several miles around, with minor exceptions. Luckily for us, a year ago we installed a permanent stand-by generator system which kicked in as soon as the power went out. Without it, we'd have found a fridge and freezer full of spoiled food, and melt-water from them all over the floors. Exactly the reason we made the decision to invest in this.....I highly recommend it to all! We're the only house in the entire area with full power these past 3 days. Anyway.......S-Fest content: we displayed, on loan from Lionel, a production-run Challenger, and a pre-production NoPac U33, and they drew a LOT of attention and scrutiny. Maybe I missed it, but so far I have seen no comments on the list from anyone, with their reactions to these engines (the Challengers are shipping to distributors and dealers now). With all of the comments and sight-unseen criticisms that have been posted over the past several weeks, I'd really like to see reactions from those who actually saw them last week. My impression was that most everyone was very positive about them both, and saw excellent potential in modifying the U33 by the "scale crowd". Anyone care to chime in here? Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66397	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: Al Baker - - and Mike Marmer

Al, LOL Thanks. Actually I am a unicorn with one horn with silly stories about my layout on the list, many are passed along, written in secret by a chemistry professor in Ohio, a O gauger, but a good friend. And I got the professor hooked on Zippy too. Al, hope you tell us about your visit to the B&O Museum. Mike From: Al Baker Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:14 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Al Baker - - and Mike Marmer Just one last note on this. If you have been on this list for very long at all, you know Mike Marmer has been very active for quite a long time. Not only did I learn from my visit, that Mike is a really great S Gauger, and has some great trains, but that he is also a really great guy. Secretly (now it's not a secret) Mike is concerned that there are a few people who "thinks he has horns". Well, if you are one of them, let me assure you that I closely examined his head when I was there, and there are NO HORNS! Seriously, he is a really great guy and I have never met a nicer person! Al Baker Portland, OR --- . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66398	From: tbennerohio	Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: Testing an Alco power truck

Thanks everyone for the replies and advice. Here's what I found: - The lash is good. Not sloppy but no binding either. - The armature shaft bushings are good. - The bearing straps were tight. - The brushes were slightly uneven in length so I replaced them. - The field was centered pretty well. And now the bad news... Put a meter on the armature and found it has an open winding. So I'll be in the market for a short slanted armature. We'll make an attempt at rewinding this one... used to do that with slot cars all the time. But it has been a few years. And while I still have a little fight left in me for this motor, it's nice to know that the S-n-S can motor conversion is there for a safety net. Regards, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Ray Cook <maroonlionel8@...> wrote: > > I'm about 99 per cent positive that's correct.  Good luck & let us know whatcha find. >   >                       Ray Cook >            in frosty Irwin, PA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66399	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: S Fest Observations

Doug, et al: I was very anxious indeed to get an up close and personal look at the Challenger. I had considerable reservations in ordering it, after I bought the Flyonel Big Boy. Seeing the Challenger real time, 3-D with my own eyeballs, I sure am glad I did decide to order! (I hope to heck I am still on the list, Doug?!!) While the detailing might not be quite up to a full-blown brass engine, it is plenty detailed for me. No cartoon-like overhanging trailing trucks as on the Big Boy. While my inclination is more towards scale, I am not a hard-core rivet counter, but visually the Challenger seems to have what the BB should have had from the factory. It was worth the trip across Missouri from KC to St. Louis just to see the Challenger as far as I am concerned. I found lots more to catch my eye of course, and as usual the AF club of St. Louis did an excellent job of staging the event! I looked at the U33 and thought that overall it was a good representation of the prototype, but since it doesn¹t fit into my scheme I did not scrutinize it. Looking forward to seeing my Challenger on the doorstep soon!!! Actually, I plan to camp out there, mittens on and stocking cap pulled down, waiting on its arrival :) Roy From: Doug peck <doug@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 08:43:35 -0400 To: S-Scale <S-Scale@yahoogroups.com> Cc: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: S Fest Observations Well, after another 22 hours of drive-time, my wife and I returned home from St Louis late Monday night. What did we find?.......snow on the ground (not a surprise), trees and limbs down all around, and the entire area out of power since Saturday evening ! As I write this, there is still no power for several miles around, with minor exceptions. Luckily for us, a year ago we installed a permanent stand-by generator system which kicked in as soon as the power went out. Without it, we'd have found a fridge and freezer full of spoiled food, and melt-water from them all over the floors. Exactly the reason we made the decision to invest in this.....I highly recommend it to all! We're the only house in the entire area with full power these past 3 days. Anyway.......S-Fest content: we displayed, on loan from Lionel, a production-run Challenger, and a pre-production NoPac U33, and they drew a LOT of attention and scrutiny. Maybe I missed it, but so far I have seen no comments on the list from anyone, with their reactions to these engines (the Challengers are shipping to distributors and dealers now). With all of the comments and sight-unseen criticisms that have been posted over the past several weeks, I'd really like to see reactions from those who actually saw them last week. My impression was that most everyone was very positive about them both, and saw excellent potential in modifying the U33 by the "scale crowd". Anyone care to chime in here? Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... <mailto:doug%40portlines.com> www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66400	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: [Plasticville] Windmill 1408

I WILL have Plasticville Windmill parts at the Allentown Train Meet, Nov 12 & 13, 9 to 4 on Saturday, 9 to 3 on Sunday. Parts are repro and I have limited quantities. JUST came in. Tables NT-1 thru 4, opposite the Snack Bar, new section. Admission is $ 7.00 for Adults, 12 & under FREE, LOTS of FREE Parking Jim Lyle In a message dated 7/17/2011 4:08:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, WJJIM@... writes: That's the "aeromotor", tough piece to find, I may be able to get it from my repro buddy. Light or dark grey?? Jim Lyle In a message dated 7/17/2011 10:32:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, grendel52@... writes: the part the the wind hits to change direction and holds the blades on. Sure I will never find that. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66401	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/1/2011
Subject: Re: Off To Michaels

SUCCESS! All four truck side are back on. Mike From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:40 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; toytrains@yahoogroups.com ; Steve Conard ; s-scale@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Off To Michaels I am off to Michaels with my 40% off coupon on one item to buy more epoxy glue to fix ALL FOUR broken trucks on my AF by Lionel Action Erie box car, the reproduction of the AF Erie action box car. The below is what I wrote to some in private as only one truck broke. The other trucks decided it was time to break too. Yesterday, I had a AF Lionel Truck break again for the 3rd time, so I got a big wad of epoxy on the very fine design by those wacky Lionel engineers, wonder if they are train engineers or real design engineers where you have to go to college or something like that to learn how to make train trucks on Lionel AF that fall apart when the consumer buys this product. This is one of my few Lionel items I run on the layout, as it is my action Erie Reproduction box car. sheesh, I should of gotten a 957, 974 or a 25042 ORIGINAL AF Erie box car as trucks on old AF does not fall apart, even after they are 50 years old. thank goodness I have the SHS wheels in the truck marked inside on which is the pick up wheel since you have no idea if you do a electrical test on the track. I may never return as it might be like a vortex in Michaels. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66402	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Re: Looking for parts

Steve B. and I have talked considerably about the need for these crown gears. I presently have a sample out being evaluated for reproduction. Have no cost estimates back yet...........stay tuned. <<<I have one of the rare #23743 Track Maintenance cars. I am looking for a used or broken piece > that has the drive gears in tact>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66403	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Re: Off To Michaels

Mike, Maybe we should open a Flyonel repair service. It seems like both of us are getting a lot of experience repairing Flyonel lately. David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > SUCCESS! > > All four truck side are back on. > > Mike > > From: Michael & Linda Marmer > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:40 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com ; toytrains@yahoogroups.com ; Steve Conard ; s-scale@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Off To Michaels > > > I am off to Michaels with my 40% off coupon on one item to buy more epoxy glue to fix ALL FOUR broken trucks on my AF by Lionel Action Erie box car, the reproduction of the AF Erie action box car. > > The below is what I wrote to some in private as only one truck broke. The other trucks decided it was time to break too. > > Yesterday, I had a AF Lionel Truck break again for the 3rd time, so I got a big wad of epoxy on the very fine design by those wacky Lionel engineers, wonder if they are train engineers or real design engineers where you have to go to college or something like that to learn how to make train trucks on Lionel AF that fall apart when the consumer buys this product. This is one of my few Lionel items I run on the layout, as it is my action Erie Reproduction box car. sheesh, I should of gotten a 957, 974 or a 25042 ORIGINAL AF Erie box car as trucks on old AF does not fall apart, even after they are 50 years old. thank goodness I have the SHS wheels in the truck marked inside on which is the pick up wheel since you have no idea if you do a electrical test on the track. > > I may never return as it might be like a vortex in Michaels. > > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66404	From: Louis	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Re: Testing an Alco power truck

Tim, Several years ago I sent several armatures to Bob Hannon for rewind. As part of the repairs he also replaced shorted commutator plates. I was very pleased with his work. Bob is a member on this list (Yahoo ID RAHANNON2001). Below is his mailing address. Bob Hannon 11513 Crows Nest Rd. Clarksville, MD 21029 Lou Baldi --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@...> wrote: > > Thanks everyone for the replies and advice. Here's what I found: > > - The lash is good. Not sloppy but no binding either. > - The armature shaft bushings are good. > - The bearing straps were tight. > - The brushes were slightly uneven in length so I replaced them. > - The field was centered pretty well. > > And now the bad news... > Put a meter on the armature and found it has an open winding. So I'll be in the market for a short slanted armature. We'll make an attempt at rewinding this one... used to do that with slot cars all the time. But it has been a few years. And while I still have a little fight left in me for this motor, it's nice to know that the S-n-S can motor conversion is there for a safety net. > > Regards, > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Ray Cook <maroonlionel8@> wrote: > > > > I'm about 99 per cent positive that's correct.  Good luck & let us know whatcha find. > >   > >                       Ray Cook > >            in frosty Irwin, PA >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66405	From: Ben	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Rear wall windows on 654 observation cars? Punched or solid??

I have three 654 observations cars...one green and two red. One of the red ones is broken and is being converted into a Polar Express coach, but that is another story. I noticed that the back windows in the wall adjacent to the observation deck are punched out on both red cars, but the rear wall is solid on the green one. This means that on the red ones the light from the inside can be seen at the back of the train, but on the green one it is dark. I am just wondering which variation is more common? Do all green 654s have solid rear walls? Do all red ones have the windows punched out? I do not care at all about value or collectibility of this feature, just curious...your thoughts? Thanks- Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66406	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Re: Off To Michaels

I think Lionel's reaction is: You mean someone actually RUNS this stuff? We thought all the buyers do is take it home and put on the shelf! THE NERVE! I can't believe that they won't replace those very defective trucks on that car of yours. Steve ____________________________________________________________ 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 United Online Special: Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick Angering Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4ea348f889f9b102833bst04duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66407	From: Thorin	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Dual motors -- again

Gentlemen and (if we are so lucky) ladies: I am sure this was posted and I missed it. Do the Flyonel Big Boy and Challenger have one motor per engine or one motor per locomotive? All of my father's O Scale articulates had one huge motor with the rear engine attached to the boiler. The Sunset cab-forward is the same way. Independent engines might have less pulling power but it is much more fun when you can see the side rods go in and out of sync. Thank you, Thorin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66408	From: R G	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Re: Rear wall windows on 654 observation cars? Punched or solid??

I read that some of the early cars had solid un punch windows at the back.  I have multiple green and red  654's observations and all of mine have windows that are open. I have both the painted and un painted green cars.  I speculate that unpunched ones are less common that the punched ones no matter what color they may be.  I have not seen any price difference between the two variations. ________________________________ From: Ben <lbstiles@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 11:50 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Rear wall windows on 654 observation cars? Punched or solid??   I have three 654 observations cars...one green and two red. One of the red ones is broken and is being converted into a Polar Express coach, but that is another story. I noticed that the back windows in the wall adjacent to the observation deck are punched out on both red cars, but the rear wall is solid on the green one. This means that on the red ones the light from the inside can be seen at the back of the train, but on the green one it is dark. I am just wondering which variation is more common? Do all green 654s have solid rear walls? Do all red ones have the windows punched out? I do not care at all about value or collectibility of this feature, just curious...your thoughts? Thanks- Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66409	From: Thorin	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Why am I moderated

Good morning: When I post a message on our group's website, it reads "Your message must be approved by the group owner before being sent to the group." I have been a member over 10 years. Why am I moderated? Thorin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66410	From: Thorin	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Flyonel SP Cab Forward

Just a fantasy. An SP cab forward with scale wheels and no TMCC. I can install my own DCC and cab forward sound. Thorin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66411	From: R G	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Re: Dual motors -- again

They have dual motors and yes the front and rear engines go in and out of sync as it travels down the rails. ________________________________ From: Thorin <lagthor@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 12:56 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Dual motors -- again   Gentlemen and (if we are so lucky) ladies: I am sure this was posted and I missed it. Do the Flyonel Big Boy and Challenger have one motor per engine or one motor per locomotive? All of my father's O Scale articulates had one huge motor with the rear engine attached to the boiler. The Sunset cab-forward is the same way. Independent engines might have less pulling power but it is much more fun when you can see the side rods go in and out of sync. Thank you, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66412	From: Dave	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: ATTENTION KIT BASHERS !!

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 66413	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Re: Why am I moderated

All posts are moderated to "try" to keep them on topic. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Thorin Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 12:50 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Why am I moderated Good morning: When I post a message on our group's website, it reads "Your message must be approved by the group owner before being sent to the group." I have been a member over 10 years. Why am I moderated? Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66414	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel SP Cab Forward

SP Daylight GS4 with matching cars. Roy From: Thorin <lagthor@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 16:48:34 +0000 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel SP Cab Forward Just a fantasy. An SP cab forward with scale wheels and no TMCC. I can install my own DCC and cab forward sound. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66415	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Re: S scale Yahoo groups lists update

David, Oh I got a bit wad of epoxy on the inside of that truck, it aint coming off again and it rolls just fine now. LOL Thank goodness I will never buy another L item again. Mike From: bull_gator_1 Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 7:43 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update Hi Mike, Put so much epoxy on it that it can't roll and then you might have it finally fixed - lol!!!! BG1 --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > RG, > Thanks, as I remember you telling me once you are retired military. > > Will have to look into joining that, > > But you would think we get all the S stuff we need just right here? Just kidding. > > Well for BG, my AF Lionel converted action car with a bad truck that I fixed a while ago, fell apart on me today. I got a lot of epoxy on it now and I did not get glue all over the car either. LOL A miracle. > > I think this might just do it now for life or else! > > Mike > > From: R G > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:43 PM > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update > > > Absolutely, I found it by accident and even though I do not subscribe to ORG I am on the forum. My Forum name is "Major". It is a great site with alot of updates! > > ________________________________ > From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:51 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update > > > RG, > > Funny that I was just on the ORG forum as a saved webpage from that site someone sent me, had some neat pictures of real trains in Chicago, 1970 with the long gone diesels. Pictures where great. Sad to see that link is gone, But I am not a member of the ORG as I notice the link for a S list on it, as I thought they where just strictly O. > > So, you recommend joining the S part of it? > > Mike > > From: R G > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:21 PM > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update > > I have seen that also, and it would be nice it they were cleaned up. But I have notice that when it come to S-Scale this board and the ORG forum seem to have the most activity. CTT is mostly O guage and while I am on it occasionaly I find the information here and the ORG forum the most interesting and current. > > ________________________________ > From: mrstumpy50 <mailto:mrstumpy%40comcast.net> > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 11:11 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update > > Many of the Yahoo Groups are dead, inactive, barely active, etc. And it's not just in S gauge! I've found dead, inactive, or barely active Groups in every scale and gauge listed on Yahoo, as well as model car and slot car Groups. > It seems that anybody can create a Yahoo Group, but nobody can get rid of them! Think how many of these worthless Groups there are among all the listings of Yahoo groups there are! That's lots of dead space being maintained. > It sure would be nice to know which ones are active and which ones are not! Perhaps it would be better if Yahoo automatically dropped a Group once there is no activity after three months. > Stumpy in Ahia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66416	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Re: S scale Yahoo groups lists update

Sorry, bit should have been big, as that was a spelling error, as the t is above the g on the key board and bit is a word, so spell check did not catch it. Due to my eyesight, I am now using a bigger font size, so hopefully the issues of my spelling, usually caught by spell check and grammar will be better, hopefully. Mike From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:29 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: RE:S scale Yahoo groups lists update David, Oh I got a bit wad of epoxy on the inside of that truck, it aint coming off again and it rolls just fine now. LOL Thank goodness I will never buy another L item again. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66417	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Lionel

----- Original Message ----- From: Michael & Linda Marmer . . . . . . . . . . . Thank goodness I will never buy another L item again.. . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > And as you know from the S-Scale list, many of us are looking forward to Lionel's U33C locomotive. It may have problems when it comes out, but it will be unlike anything else to be had in S right now. We saw pre-production samples at the S Fest in St Louis. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66418	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel

Tom, yes, the S scale list is talking about Lionel AF engines. My layout is DCC and I believe Lionel does not make DCC products, so I can not run Lionel engines on my layout. So I wont be buying any more Lionel products, as I also have enough rolling stock. I am hopeful someday that once SHS gets back in operation they might make a WMD hopper. I know AM has WMD hoppers, but I prefer the look of the SHS product. And maybe someday someone will make a DCC Hudson in S. I wish those who buy this engine the best, as it sounds like they might have a very good product. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66419	From: michael prell	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Re: Why am I moderated

Everthing in moderation.   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! ________________________________ From: "carl@..." <carl@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 3:34 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Why am I moderated   All posts are moderated to "try" to keep them on topic. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Thorin Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 12:50 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Why am I moderated Good morning: When I post a message on our group's website, it reads "Your message must be approved by the group owner before being sent to the group." I have been a member over 10 years. Why am I moderated? Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66420	From: Al Baker	Date: 11/2/2011
Subject: Re: Renewed interest in customized/kit bashed Flyer

Thanks for the kind words guys! Sorry for the delay in responding, as you may have noticed from other posts, I have been traveling the last week, visiting Mike Marmer, S-Fest, and other. I am also over-due to congratulate Stumpy on his Kit Bashing guide. Great job Stumpy!! Some of you may have noticed, I have started setting up a new album of pictures for my customs. It will have a bit more info on each locomotive, and include several new ones. Give me a little time to work on it and I will announce when it is complete. Al Baker Portland, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@> wrote: > > > > Tim is 100% correct! The counter on My Flyer Trains has zoomed of late too with my Kit Bashing guide there. Even on my political/current events blog, there are many more readers than people who e-mail about it. There is obviously a thirst for knowledge well beyond the number of people who will write. > > While I'm may be the most "vocal" (and certainly the most disliked by collectors) I'm not longest running or the best rebuilder of old Flyer. Folks like Al Baker do great work, he's just more modest than I am! :-) > > There are many others doing kit bashing and scratch building in S, and even more wanting to know more about it. I get e-mails all the time asking about kit bashing and scratch building, and not just in S gauge. > > I think the difference is that I have a knack for writing and teaching, and am not afraid to go against the grain from time to time.:-) > > Perhaps as the stigma against such things goes by the wayside, and the economy makes building things rather than buying things more neceassry, we'll see much more discussion and information appearing. > > I can only encourage everyone to try something new. An investment of knowledge and skill in yourself is something that can never be taken away. > > Be creative and tell us all about it! > > Stumpy Stone... hiding from collectors and rivet counters in Appalachia :-) > > > > Stumpy & Gang: > > Thanks, but I don't think I have EVER been accused of being 100% right on this Forum. Triple lol. Anyhoo, look at how many posts are on the front page about buying, selling, collecting, train shows and making simple repairs. Pretty revealing as to the make-up of this Forum, I think. OBTW, very nice work, Al Baker! So that everyone doesn't think I'm bashing this Forum, while you all are looking at Al Baker's very fine work, look at all the other pics of all the work that has been done over the years. That is what I was referring to as a "body of work". Just as a great model RR takes years to create, a body of work does not happen overnight. It's cumulative. > > I've gotten emails from guys who are "chicken" to post pics of their layouts and rebuild efforts. As Stumpy has done, I have also tried to encourage them to build a web site or otherwise use our photo album and toot their own horns. Aside from one or two clicks on this Forum where people connect at York or wherever, pretty much everyone is as anonymous as they want to be. I am nothing more than so many bits and bytes on a computer monitor right now to 90-some or more percent of you. That's how most people are, so my point is what do you have to lose in your REAL life if you post some pics of your layout or builds that you think are "not worthy"? Nothing. Don't be that "chicken". Let's see what you do. > > Regards, > Timboy, The Obscure >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66421	From: rapidrail1	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: Re: Why am I moderated

I prefer to be moderated. I was once a member of a group that was not moderated and received lots of spam on the group. I left it for that reason. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Thorin" <lagthor@...> wrote: > > Good morning: > When I post a message on our group's website, it reads "Your message must be approved by the group owner before being sent to the group." > > I have been a member over 10 years. Why am I moderated? > Thorin >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66422	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel

Tom. I also meant to write about Lionel that what does not work for some, will work for others. I hope Lionel has more success in putting out S items, as it keeps the hobby and scale alive. It hurts a hobby when a company keeps having issues with its product and they don’t take of things, only if you pay a price, like 12 bucks for some rope they messed up in the first place or the broken trucks. I hope these issues are beyond the production of trains at Lionel. The type on this is very small to me, so I hope I did not make any spelling grammar errors. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66423	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: Re: Renewed interest in customized/kit bashed Flyer

Al and others. When you do put new pictures in your album, it is great that you tell about it, but also put a link to your album. It makes it easier to find. Thanks Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66424	From: Timboy	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: Yet One More Way To Integrate Pikemaster Switches

American Flyer Guys: I have developed yet one more way to integrate old Pikemaster switches into a vintage Flyer layout that uses sectional track. To see all the pics and details, you are invited to visit my blog at: http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ OBTW. A moderated List? I wouldn't want it any other way. It is a sublime filter for the ridiculous, IMHO. lol Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66425	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: Re: Renewed interest in customized/kit bashed Flyer

Hi Mike, I for one would be glad to put a link to my photo album in my post if I knew how to do it. I am new to computers and Yahoo groups and am learning as I go. Can you or someone else explain in easy steps how to add a link. If it is beyond my capabilities, it is not that hard to go to the photo section and use the list to find the album. Thanks. Lon Walker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Al and others. > > When you do put new pictures in your album, it is great that you tell about it, but also put a link to your album. > > It makes it easier to find. > > Thanks Mike > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66426	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: 21140 pricing

Could someone be so kind in letting me know what the new TM price guide might list a 21140 in E for? I will get a copy of that new guide, but I have not gotten to it yet, since I have not been to a train show yet. You can write me in private with that. Thanks, I appreciate the help. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66427	From: Timboy	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: Re: Renewed interest in customized/kit bashed Flyer

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "boxcar4willhe" <wlon17@...> wrote: > Can you or someone else explain in easy steps how to add a link. If it is beyond my capabilities, it is not that hard to go to the photo section and use the list to find the album. Thanks. Lon Walker > Hi Lon, Just put your cursor on the URL in your browser header and right click, then left click. Then place your cursor where you want to put the link and right click, then left click again. The idea is simply to use the copy function either your mouse or keypad has, then use the paste function. Very simple. Looking forward to seeing some pics of what you do. -Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66428	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: Moderation and Basing photos

I agree with the moderation, for the most part. I am on other unmoderated Yahoo Groups which have problems with SPAM too. Sure, it's nice to see your comments appear right away, rather than waiting until later to find out your spelling is wrong (I have "fat fingers" syndrome) and everyone has been laughing at it before you got back to looking at the Group. The other drawback is that five other people have suddenly said the same thing you did, but you didn't know it before your message was written. Otherwise moderation is fine. I can't speak for those who get each posting in direct e-mails as I come HERE to read messages. As for placing a link to your photos, I have never learned how to do that after many years on Yahoo Groups. It seems that no one on the Groups I belong to has ever thought of posting such information in "Files" so that a newbie could quickly find and learn the trick. Fortunately, I can put the name of the album in my messages so thet the pix can be found. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66429	From: Al Baker	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: Re: S Fest Observations

Because of my travel schedule I was only able to be at S-Fest for the first day. Overall, I thought the tables were well stocked with typical S-Gauge items, and the show seemed well attended. I didn't buy any high value items however, as I usually look for the unusual custom items, of which there were essentially none. But, what was very exciting to me, was the Challenger that Doug had. I thought at least from an appearance standpoint, it is fantastic, and easily the nicest piece I have ever seen from Lionel. I think they have a real winner here, and when they run out, which I expect they will, they will be leaving money on the table if they don't produce more. I guess I was just too absorbed by the Challenger, that I never even noticed that a U33 was in the area. I just plain missed it! A Baker Portland, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > Well, after another 22 hours of drive-time, my wife and I returned home > from St Louis late Monday night. What did we find?.......snow on the > ground (not a surprise), trees and limbs down all around, and the entire > area out of power since Saturday evening ! As I write this, there is > still no power for several miles around, with minor exceptions. Luckily > for us, a year ago we installed a permanent stand-by generator system > which kicked in as soon as the power went out. Without it, we'd have > found a fridge and freezer full of spoiled food, and melt-water from > them all over the floors. Exactly the reason we made the decision to > invest in this.....I highly recommend it to all! We're the only house in > the entire area with full power these past 3 days. > > > > Anyway.......S-Fest content: we displayed, on loan from Lionel, a > production-run Challenger, and a pre-production NoPac U33, and they drew > a LOT of attention and scrutiny. Maybe I missed it, but so far I have > seen no comments on the list from anyone, with their reactions to these > engines (the Challengers are shipping to distributors and dealers now). > With all of the comments and sight-unseen criticisms that have been > posted over the past several weeks, I'd really like to see reactions > from those who actually saw them last week. My impression was that most > everyone was very positive about them both, and saw excellent potential > in modifying the U33 by the "scale crowd". > > Anyone care to chime in here? > > > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > doug@... > www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> > <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66430	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: Re: Renewed interest in customized/kit bashed Flyer

Hi Lon, What you do, is you click onto your photo album on the site. It will now be a webpage for your viewing. Bring the cursor, arrow, up to your webpage. Left click once, the mouse, the address is highlighted in blue. Right click once, you will get box of words. Click “copy”. Go back to the body of your email you are sending out. Right click your mouse, and the box will come back. Click on “paste” and the link will appear in the body of your email. You can do this with any webpage to send in a email http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/list The link for my email photo album for my layout. The above is my photo album, as you can do this for a individual photo too. Same process. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/1228163608/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=761&count=20&dir=asc One Photo. Give it a try but first you need to put photos in a album. Mike From: boxcar4willhe Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 11:39 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:Renewed interest in customized/kit bashed Flyer Hi Mike, I for one would be glad to put a link to my photo album in my post if I knew how to do it. I am new to computers and Yahoo groups and am learning as I go. Can you or someone else explain in easy steps how to add a link. If it is beyond my capabilities, it is not that hard to go to the photo section and use the list to find the album. Thanks. Lon Walker --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Al and others. > > When you do put new pictures in your album, it is great that you tell about it, but also put a link to your album. > > It makes it easier to find. > > Thanks Mike > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66431	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: Re: Renewed interest in customized/kit bashed Flyer

Mike,      Our album address is    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/2099290812/pic/list   Dave LBR Enterprises, llc --- On Thu, 11/3/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: RE:Renewed interest in customized/kit bashed Flyer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 3, 2011, 7:43 AM   Al and others. When you do put new pictures in your album, it is great that you tell about it, but also put a link to your album. It makes it easier to find. Thanks Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66432	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: Re: 21140 pricing

Mike, $1,950 in excellent condition. Bruce From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:29 AM To: S Trains Subject: [S-Trains] 21140 pricing Could someone be so kind in letting me know what the new TM price guide might list a 21140 in E for? I will get a copy of that new guide, but I have not gotten to it yet, since I have not been to a train show yet. You can write me in private with that. Thanks, I appreciate the help. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66433	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: How to Post Links

Hi All, The best way to link to photos, etc. is to place them on a webpage. If the photo. etc is already on a webpage so much the better. Then highlight the webpage address by clicking on it in the address window in your internet browser. Right click on the highlighted webpage and click on COPY in the pull down window. These adresses can be very long and not work properly when posted to an email. The best way to solve that problem is to next go to: http:\\www.tinyurl.com and go to the TINYURL window. Right click on the window and then click PASTE in the drop down window. This will paste in the address you just copied (also known as the URL) and it will create a pointer that is very small. Copy the pointer (right click and chose COPY)generated by tinyurl: (typically something like http:\\tinyurl.com\abc123) and paste (right click then chose PASTE) that in your email as the location for the photo. Several of us in this group use this to post links to our photos in this group or in the S-scale photo gallery. It works great! It is very easy and once you do it it will be like riding a bicycle! If you have any problems using it let me know. This COPY and PASTE works in most Windows software (Excel, Word, PowerPoint, Access, etc) exactly the same way. Just highlight the text, COPY and PASTE to the new location. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66434	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: Re: Renewed interest in customized/kit bashed Flyer

Thanks Dave, as always your work is great. Mike From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 12:54 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: RE:Renewed interest in customized/kit bashed Flyer Mike, Our album address is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/2099290812/pic/list Dave LBR Enterprises, llc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66435	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: THEFT REPORT

A customer of mine in southern NH asked me to help spread the word about a break-in at his home, and theft of all his S-gauge trains, both highrail and scale.This identifies some key items: <<<A collection of S Gauge trains was stolen from a house in Bartlett NH between October 11-26. The collection included an AF (1948) New York Central Hudson 4-6-4 loco with a boxed set of NYC heavyweight passenger cars with obs, a New York New Haven and Hartford EP5 engine with a boxed set of NH streamline passenger cars with obs, a boxed scale Maine Central 2-8-0 freight engine and many scale freight cars and an AF (1950) GM GP diesel with many scale freight cars as well as other AF and scale locos and cars. Please report information to: afsgauge@...>>>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66436	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 11/3/2011
Subject: 355 Baldwin Problem

My 355 Baldwin derails as it crosses two (2) 90 degree railroad crossings back to back.  Both the trucks/wheels jumb the track rather then going through the cross overs.  Is there any solution to correct this situation other than getting rid of the two cross overs?  Thanks for any advice and feed back on this problem.   Bob      [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66437	From: vito4cal	Date: 11/4/2011
Subject: Annoucement: S West 7 - Northern California

2012 O Scale West & S West 7 Largest S scale show west of the Mississippi! There will be S standard and narrow gauge dealers, clinics, videos, door prizes & contest. The BASS club will have their modular layout up and running – bring your equipment to run on the layout. Equipment must meet NASG standards. There will also be a Sn3 display. Convention info: February 9-11, 2012 Hyatt Regency Santa Clara 5101 Great America Parkway Santa Clara, CA 95054 Reservations: 800-233-1234 Hotel Switchboard: 408-200-1234 Hotel Fax: 408-980-3939 Admission: $25 for registrations postmarked by December 31, 2011; $30 at the door Table Rentals: $35/table if registration is postmarked by December 31, 2011; $40 after December 31, 2011, electrical hook up is free. Additional information & registration forms available at: http://www.oscalewest.com Additional questions, please contact John Gibson offline. Look forward to seeing you at the show. S West Convention Committee, John Gibson Lee Johnson Bill McClung Howard Sheffield

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66438	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 11/4/2011
Subject: Re: How to Post Links

I am going to attempt to post a link to my photo album, Walker Lon's trains. Thanks. Lon Walker I think it posted but it is below the other post. What did I do wrong? --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > The best way to link to photos, etc. is to place them on a webpage. If the photo. etc is already on a webpage so much the better. Then highlight the webpage address by clicking on it in the address window in your internet browser. Right click on the highlighted webpage and click on COPY in the pull down window. These adresses can be very long and not work properly when posted to an email. The best way to solve that problem is to next go to: > > http:\\www.tinyurl.com > > and go to the TINYURL window. Right click on the window and then click PASTE in the drop down window. This will paste in the address you just copied (also known as the URL) and it will create a pointer that is very small. Copy the pointer (right click and chose COPY)generated by tinyurl: > > (typically something like http:\\tinyurl.com\abc123) > > and paste (right click then chose PASTE) that in your email as the location for the photo. Several of us in this group use this to post links to our photos in this group or in the S-scale photo gallery. It works great! It is very easy and once you do it it will be like riding a bicycle! If you have any problems using it let me know. > > This COPY and PASTE works in most Windows software (Excel, Word, PowerPoint, Access, etc) exactly the same way. Just highlight the text, COPY and PASTE to the new location. > > BG1 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1410464592/pic/listhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1410464592/pic/list

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66439	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/4/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel and DCC

----- Original Message ----- From: Michael & Linda Marmer . . . . . My layout is DCC and I believe Lionel does not make DCC products, so I can not run Lionel engines on my layout.. . . . .I also have enough rolling stock . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > . Of course if the U33C doesn't fit into your era or the roads you model, you're not going to buy one. But as to it not coming with DCC, well, maybe the following is just speculation - or just hot air, but those in a similar situation might consider the following. At the Fest I sold an American Models GG1 loco with all the GG1 sound to a customer who intends to remove the AM sound board and replace it with DCC. He thinks he can sell what he removes, since AM is currently out of stock on those GG1 sound boards. What the market will be for electronics removed from a U33C is anyone's guess, but it's a possibility. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66440	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/4/2011
Subject: Re: 355 Baldwin Problem

Bob, Use a dime to see if the wheels are gauged right. Mike From: Bob Iannacone Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 9:25 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] 355 Baldwin Problem My 355 Baldwin derails as it crosses two (2) 90 degree railroad crossings back to back. Both the trucks/wheels jumb the track rather then going through the cross overs. Is there any solution to correct this situation other than getting rid of the two cross overs? Thanks for any advice and feed back on this problem. Bob [ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66441	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 11/4/2011
Subject: Re: 355 Baldwin Problem

Adding weight might help. The additional weight that came with the can motor kit I bought from Doug Peck really improved my Baldwin's tracking. Bob Sent from my iPod On Nov 3, 2011, at 9:25 PM, Bob Iannacone <aftrains4u@...> wrote: > My 355 Baldwin derails as it crosses two (2) 90 degree railroad crossings back to back. Both the trucks/wheels jumb the track rather then going through the cross overs. Is there any solution to correct this situation other than getting rid of the two cross overs? Thanks for any advice and feed back on this problem. > > Bob > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66442	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/4/2011
Subject: Re: How to Post Links

Lon, I'm not sure what you did to get the link posted below my original post. I'm also not sure why it is essentally a doubled link. I copied your link below (after fixing the double link), went to tinyurl, followed the instructions in my email and converted it to the following link: http://tinyurl.com/3quw8cg You can copy the link above and paste it into a new message to the group. If you have a problem let me know. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "boxcar4willhe" <wlon17@...> wrote: > > > > > > > I am going to attempt to post a link to my photo album, Walker Lon's trains. Thanks. Lon Walker I think it posted but it is below the other post. What did I do wrong? > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > The best way to link to photos, etc. is to place them on a webpage. If the photo. etc is already on a webpage so much the better. Then highlight the webpage address by clicking on it in the address window in your internet browser. Right click on the highlighted webpage and click on COPY in the pull down window. These adresses can be very long and not work properly when posted to an email. The best way to solve that problem is to next go to: > > > > http:\\www.tinyurl.com > > > > and go to the TINYURL window. Right click on the window and then click PASTE in the drop down window. This will paste in the address you just copied (also known as the URL) and it will create a pointer that is very small. Copy the pointer (right click and chose COPY)generated by tinyurl: > > > > (typically something like http:\\tinyurl.com\abc123) > > > > and paste (right click then chose PASTE) that in your email as the location for the photo. Several of us in this group use this to post links to our photos in this group or in the S-scale photo gallery. It works great! It is very easy and once you do it it will be like riding a bicycle! If you have any problems using it let me know. > > > > This COPY and PASTE works in most Windows software (Excel, Word, PowerPoint, Access, etc) exactly the same way. Just highlight the text, COPY and PASTE to the new location. > > > > BG1 > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1410464592/pic/listhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1410464592/pic/list >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66443	From: Dave	Date: 11/4/2011
Subject: MOXIE Tank Car

We now have our own version of MOXIE DECALS for an AF tank car at our album. To view please use the link below: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/1952054568/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=21&count=20&dir=asc The MSRP for these sets+ is $9.25 ea. at our web site. Mention this group when ordering and we will refund $1.50 per set after payment is made. SHIPPING IS FREE ON THESE SETS. Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66444	From: Timboy	Date: 11/4/2011
Subject: My New Yard Is Competed - For Now!

Hey Flyer Guys: My new yard is completed. There is a little track to ballast and a little debugging to do, but it is time to move on to the next project. If you have been following along, then you will NOT want to miss this! For the shocking pics and details, you are invited to visit: http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy, The Active Flyer Builder

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66445	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 11/4/2011
Subject: Photos of a Southern Atlantic

Hi, This is to notify that I added photos to my album, Walker,Lon's trains. Thanks Lon http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1410464592/pic/list

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66446	From: John Degnan	Date: 11/4/2011
Subject: For Sale : Grandt Line S Detail Parts

I have the following GRANDT LINE detail parts available for sale. INCLUDED WITH THESE is a window glazing material. The parts are listed below in this fashion : ITEM #, RETAIL PRICE, ASKING PRICE, WEB LINK. 4032 - $3 - $2 - http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?quick=300-4032 4036 - #3 - $2 - http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?quick=300-4036 4037 - $3 - $2 - http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?quick=300-4037 4038 - $3 - $2 - http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?quick=300-4038 4039 - $3 - $2 - http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?quick=300-4039 4040 - $3.25 - $3 - http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?quick=300-4040 4045 - $3 - $2 - http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?quick=300-4045 4049 - $3 - $2 - http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?quick=300-4049 4058 - $3 - $2 - http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?quick=300-4058 Postage is $2.50 (per order) Purchase the lot at asking price ($19 total) and I pay postage. Contact me OFF-LIST at my e-mail address below if interested. Thanks. John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66447	From: johntech	Date: 11/4/2011
Subject: Re: My New Yard Is Competed - For Now!

Hey Tim That isn't a Flyer junk yard.... It's a small gold mine you have there!! John ----- Original Message ----- From: Timboy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 6:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] My New Yard Is Competed - For Now! Hey Flyer Guys: My new yard is completed. There is a little track to ballast and a little debugging to do, but it is time to move on to the next project. If you have been following along, then you will NOT want to miss this! For the shocking pics and details, you are invited to visit: http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy, The Active Flyer Builder . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66448	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/4/2011
Subject: Re: Photos of a Southern Atlantic

Hi Lon, Nice work on the layout and nice work on getting the pictures on the site and then the link to them. The engine looks great. I did not delete the below email, Mike From: boxcar4willhe Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 4:32 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Photos of a Southern Atlantic Hi, This is to notify that I added photos to my album, Walker,Lon's trains. Thanks Lon http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1410464592/pic/list [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66449	From: R G	Date: 11/4/2011
Subject: Re: My New Yard Is Competed - For Now!

That is the best junk I have ever seen on a train layout!   LOL  Nice Job!  It's interesting that I have almost no junk and I have been with Flyer since the 50's ________________________________ From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 6:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] My New Yard Is Competed - For Now!   Hey Flyer Guys: My new yard is completed. There is a little track to ballast and a little debugging to do, but it is time to move on to the next project. If you have been following along, then you will NOT want to miss this! For the shocking pics and details, you are invited to visit: http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy, The Active Flyer Builder [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66450	From: Dale Chaudiere	Date: 11/5/2011
Subject: For Sale: Restored 1946 312 PRR K5 SIT

For sale restored 1946 312 PRR K5 SIT. - Disassembled, stripped, and repainted. - New dry transfers. - Replacement boiler front. - New smoke bellows. - New smoke hose. - All wiring checked. - Lubed. Runs great. $85 + $10 shipping or pickup in Seattle area Photos posted in Photos=>For Sale: 1946 312 PRR K5 SIT

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66451	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 11/5/2011
Subject: Re: My New Yard Is Competed - For Now!

That solves the problem of Now where did I put that? Lon --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote: > > That is the best junk I have ever seen on a train layout!   LOL  Nice Job!  It's interesting that I have almost no junk and I have been with Flyer since the 50's > > > > ________________________________ > From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 6:53 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] My New Yard Is Competed - For Now! > > >   > Hey Flyer Guys: > > My new yard is completed. There is a little track to ballast and a little debugging to do, but it is time to move on to the next project. If you have been following along, then you will NOT want to miss this! For the shocking pics and details, you are invited to visit: > > http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ > > Regards, > Timboy, The Active Flyer Builder > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66452	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/5/2011
Subject: Re: Photos of a Southern Atlantic

Very nice and right in the spirit for your layout. Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 11/4/2011 4:32 PM, boxcar4willhe wrote: > Hi, This is to notify that I added photos to my album, Walker,Lon's trains. Thanks Lon > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1410464592/pic/list > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66453	From: Timboy	Date: 11/5/2011
Subject: Re: My New Yard Is Competed - For Now!

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "boxcar4willhe" <wlon17@...> wrote: > > > > That solves the problem of Now where did I put that? Lon > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, R G <keyhole_corona@> wrote: > > > > That is the best junk I have ever seen on a train layout!   LOL  Nice Job!  It's interesting that I have almost no junk and I have been with Flyer since the 50's > > Hey Guys! Exactly! It struck me suddenly. Why not put everything I have laying around in little drawers & boxes right onto the layout as a Junk Yard. Now I need MORE junk! Double lol. I went rooting through a pile last night for a couple of little Pikemaster switch screws and found them quicker than I would have by combing through my parts cabinet. Some of those pieces are pretty large though, so I should have a crew with a cutting torch breaking some stuff down to get loaded on to the dump car and shipped to a yet-to-be-built foundry. Also, with everything out in the open, I can more easily envision projects. For example, now I think those switch tops would make good beacons or marker lights somewhere. So don't get any ideas of your own with my junk! lol Nuttin' is for sale, except to businesses and industries that will be springing up along my branch line in the weeks/months/years to come! lol Does this give anyone any ideas of their own? If so, let's hear and see them! OBTW, nice work Lon! You get an "attaboy"! lol Regards, Timboy, The Flyer RR Mogul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66454	From: ss396l78375	Date: 11/5/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel Track & Challengers

Hello All, Reading through some of the earlier postings I came across this one stating that the Challengers with smoke deflectors have dual stacks and the ones without have one smoke stack. The listing for U.P.#3985 shows that it will come without smoke deflectors, however I believe this is a dual stack locomotive. My question to anyone in the group that has actually seen these engines is did they have a model of #3985 and if so did it have single or dual stacks? Thank You, Obie Bell --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote: > > I also saw the challengers yesterday and today at the Lionel booth at York.  They also had one running on their display layout.  I thought that the locomotive as a whole is much better detailed and scale than the Big Boy. There are differences between them in addition to the smoke deflectors.  The ones with smoke deflectors have dual stacks, the ones with out have a single smoke stack.  The trucks did not appear oversize to me and the tender is much better in appearance, than the Big Boy.  The U33 shells on display looked great would like to see the entire locomotive.  The S scale fast track looked a lot like the S- Helper track in rail size and road bed appearance.  However the track was not production and the ties were the same color as the road bed.  S-Helper had a BOGO sale buy one get one free.  Of course I got more cars and locomotives.  Port Line hobbies had some of the 1/64 automobiles and trucks M2 I believe they are called.  Picked > up four more for the lay out.  Picked up a nice Franklin loco cheap that is darn near new in appearance and runs great also.  Spent too much, had a great time, and I am looking forward to next spring. > > > > ________________________________ > From: "WJJIM@..." <WJJIM@...> > To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com; S-scale@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:09 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Flyonel Track & Challengers > > >   > I went to the LIONEL booth today to check out the track. It IS T-rail, > H-O style joiner, looks very bland and plain in it's present incarnation. > > The trailing truck on the new Challenger looks oversized in comparison to > the drivers. Not sure that is a fair comparison, the trailing truck on a > loco that size with the firebox it would have to have had to support the need > for fire, it may be correct. > > ATLAS is apparently doing a very good presentation on layout building, > going to sit-in tomorrow, see what I can learn. Maybe I need help-- > > _http://www.gartrain.com/PVMRPARADISE2011-2012.html_ > (http://www.gartrain.com/PVMRPARADISE2011-2012.html) > > > > _http://www.gartrain.com/PEQUEA_VALLEY_TRAINS.html_ > (http://www.gartrain.com/PEQUEA_VALLEY_TRAINS.html) > > We open Nov 26th with a TRAIN MEET & 3 operating layouts, $ 2.00 Adult > admission, more later. > > Jim "it's raining AGAIN" Lyle > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66455	From: frank emiro	Date: 11/5/2011
Subject: Here R photos of Track and U 33 EL questions

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/18962225/pic/list Frank R. EMIRO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66456	From: Eric	Date: 11/5/2011
Subject: FNF & Challenger is here

I got my Gray Challenger yesterday. I have it up and running on my upper track running with the Legacy controller. This engine seems to running perfectly right out of the box, smokes like crazy and has great sounds from the legacy system. I really like the way these can run slowly around the track with full sounds. Fun stuff. Eric Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66457	From: Dave	Date: 11/5/2011
Subject: "MOXIE" Tank Car Photo

Now that we have a set of decals for "MOXIE" soda you can view a tank car we repainted and affixed our "MOXIE" decals to. To view please go to our album here at the group. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/list Thank you all for your continiung support and GREAT ideas. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66458	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/5/2011
Subject: Re: "MOXIE" Tank Car Photo

Going to Maine just about every year since 1987 and knowing that Ted Williams, (ha, bet he was never mentioned here before), did ads for Moxie and seeing the drink all over New England, one year, I decided to give the drink a try. It was awful, like cough syrup. I know it is a acquired taste maybe, but, no thanks. LOL So Dave, good luck with the decals, as I know many on the list do like Moxie. I will just stick with my Citgo sign from Fenway park, and scoreboard on my layout. Mike From: Dave Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 6:37 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] "MOXIE" Tank Car Photo Now that we have a set of decals for "MOXIE" soda you can view a tank car we repainted and affixed our "MOXIE" decals to. To view please go to our album here at the group. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/list Thank you all for your continiung support and GREAT ideas. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66459	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/5/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/6/2011, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 66460	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/5/2011
Subject: Re: "MOXIE" Tank Car Photo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moxie All about Moxie, as I had no idea it originated in Maine, plus the other facts about the product. . I am sending this, as you have to know about the products you transport on your layout, should one make some Moxie cars. Like Coca Cola the drink had medical use first. Which probably did not do anything for that purpose, but that is how many soft drinks came about. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66461	From: John Degnan	Date: 11/5/2011
Subject: Re: For Sale : Grandt Line S Detail Parts

Sorry folks... these detail parts are officially spoken for. Thanks. John Degnan Scaler164@... ----- Original Message ----- From: John Degnan To: POST : (S) S-Trains Group ; POST : (S) SSPM Group ; POST : (S) sscalemodelrailroading Group ; POST : (S) S-Scale Group ; POST : (S) Sn42_Conspiracy_Group Group ; POST : (S) Sn2_Trains Group Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 07:58 PM Subject: For Sale : Grandt Line S Detail Parts I have the following GRANDT LINE detail parts available for sale. INCLUDED WITH THESE is a window glazing material. The parts are listed below in this fashion : ITEM #, RETAIL PRICE, ASKING PRICE, WEB LINK. 4032 - $3 - $2 - http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?quick=300-4032 4036 - #3 - $2 - http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?quick=300-4036 4037 - $3 - $2 - http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?quick=300-4037 4038 - $3 - $2 - http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?quick=300-4038 4039 - $3 - $2 - http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?quick=300-4039 4040 - $3.25 - $3 - http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?quick=300-4040 4045 - $3 - $2 - http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?quick=300-4045 4049 - $3 - $2 - http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?quick=300-4049 4058 - $3 - $2 - http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?quick=300-4058 Postage is $2.50 (per order) Purchase the lot at asking price ($19 total) and I pay postage. Contact me OFF-LIST at my e-mail address below if interested. Thanks. John Degnan Scaler164@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66462	From: bcgsteam	Date: 11/5/2011
Subject: B&O I-1 Kit Built as BC&G C-1

I have just completed building one of the recently released B&O I-1 caboose kits from Supply Car, LLC. The kit is produced by Lake Junction models. The craftsman-style kit builds into a beautiful model. Mine is fitted with hi-rail wheels and no modification to the kit was required. To see photos of the finished model, including the interior which I added, go to the link below and the scroll ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE. http://www.buffalocreekandgauley.com/MODELRAILROAD/BCGinS/ModelingInS.html I highly recommend this kit. It is a great addition to the ever-growing line of quality items available in S". It takes some effort to build, but as you can see from the photos, the end result is worth it. Brooks Stover

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66463	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: Lionel S Track

This an observation that I am sure many others have also have made: From the photos of the new Lionel S Fast Track, it looks exactly like S-Helper Service sectional track, but without the coloring. This brings up a number of nasty questions about manufacturing and product ownership rights in China, none of which reflect well upon Lionel. I'll reserve further comment for the moment. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66464	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: Re: "MOXIE" Tank Car Photo

FWIW, the Bristol S-Gaugers still have a handful of SHS MOXIE wood-sided reefers available. This was the convention car for the 2008 Lowell, MA, NASG convention. The car sold out quickly, but we had a subsequent small run of the cars made with a different car number. I think there are, perhaps, a dozen left available, at $65 each, postpaid. You can see a photo of it, as well as the club's Boston & Albany boxcars, on Port Lines' website homepage. Scroll about halfway down the homepage. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66465	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel S Track

um, what would you expect the track to look then? I don’t think Lionel did anything wrong nor did they copy anyone’s track. I did not delete the below Mike From: mrstumpy50 Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 7:50 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel S Track This an observation that I am sure many others have also have made: From the photos of the new Lionel S Fast Track, it looks exactly like S-Helper Service sectional track, but without the coloring. This brings up a number of nasty questions about manufacturing and product ownership rights in China, none of which reflect well upon Lionel. I'll reserve further comment for the moment. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66466	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: Fw: Lionel S track

The below is from a O gauge friend. I think it is irresponsible for emails like Stumpy’s to start accusing Lionel of things they did not do. This is how rumors start and so on. So it is a version of their own O gauge track. By gosh, Lionel should sue themselves, ala Monty Python. Start that as a rumor. John Cleese presiding, Eric Idle defendant, Michael Palin, the other track company accusing the defendant. Terry Gilliam can draw some really neat train things. Queue the Liberty Bell march. Mike From: Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 9:33 AM To: mlmarmer@... Subject: Re: Lionel S track Mike, It's an S version of Flex track - people who use it say it is easy to assemble but it is very noisy and relatively expensive. The simulated ties look good but it raises the track and makes mounting of track side accessories that interact with the track problematic as one needs to raise the areas next to the track and nothing can bea ttaced to the track from underneath. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66467	From: Sam & Peggy Pellegrino	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: Re: "MOXIE" Tank Car Photo

Doug, Who manufactured the reefer? S-Helper or Crown? Thank you, To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com From: doug@... Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 08:27:06 -0500 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: "MOXIE" Tank Car Photo FWIW, the Bristol S-Gaugers still have a handful of SHS MOXIE wood-sided reefers available. This was the convention car for the 2008 Lowell, MA, NASG convention. The car sold out quickly, but we had a subsequent small run of the cars made with a different car number. I think there are, perhaps, a dozen left available, at $65 each, postpaid. You can see a photo of it, as well as the club's Boston & Albany boxcars, on Port Lines' website homepage. Scroll about halfway down the homepage. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66468	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel S Track

Mike; As with everyone else on this Group, I have a right to my opinion, just as you do. Having been in a hobby shop for twenty some years, I have seen this done before several times, the most explosive time being when Mike at MTH nailed Lionel over their oriental contractors ripping off his locomotive designs for Lionel. This tends to make me very suspicious when similar events happen. The timing and circumstances that Lionel suddenly comes up with a near duplicate of SHS track right after SHS can't get it made anymore seems just too coincidental to me. Chinese business practices are "somewhat less than ethical" as we are finding out. Since my earlier posting, several others have e-mailed me directly discussing the matter. I invite you to do the same, just click on the "send e-mail" on the right. I'm sure this will be discussed on CHAT tonight as well, starting at 8pm EST. Terry "Stumpy" Stone Martins Ferry, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66469	From: Dave	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: "MOXIE" Reefer Decals

Well, I really didn't think it would take very long but I figured at least a few says before someone requested a set of "MOXIE" decals for a reefer. So, if you use the link below you can view our latest addition to the "MOXIE" saga in our photo album here. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/list?order=ordinal Thank you all for the GREAT IDEAS ;o). Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66470	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: Re: B&O I-1 Kit Built as BC&G C-1

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bcgsteam" <bcgsteam@...> wrote: > > I have just completed building one of the recently released B&O I-1 caboose kits from Supply Car, LLC. The kit is produced by Lake Junction models. The craftsman-style kit builds into a beautiful model. Mine is fitted with hi-rail wheels and no modification to the kit was required. To see photos of the finished model, including the interior which I added, go to the link below and the scroll ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE. > > http://www.buffalocreekandgauley.com/MODELRAILROAD/BCGinS/ModelingInS.html > > I highly recommend this kit. It is a great addition to the ever-growing line of quality items available in S". It takes some effort to build, but as you can see from the photos, the end result is worth it. > > Brooks Stover It looks terrific........as does your layout. Mark in Oregon >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66471	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel S Track

Stumpy. Looking at the photos of Frank of the Lionel track on the list and a photo of the SHS track on the SHS website, I do not see where the track ends are alike. They are different to me, as the Lionel connectors are more closed and the SHS are more opened. I am not picking on you, but making a statement about something being exactly alike from non professional photos, as Frank’s photos are great to give us a idea on what it looks like, is wrong in my opinion. Wait to give your opinion about the track until you have both makes in your hand, then tell me what you think, as then I can look at the track too and say either yes or no, they are alike. Best, mike . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66472	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: M2 Auto-Trucks at WallyWorld

Hi All, I picked up the following M2 Auto-Trucks Release 15 trucks at Walmart today for $5.47 each: 1954 Studebaker R3 1956 Ford F-100 1958 Chevy LCF (orange) I'll have to stop by some other WallyWorlds and see if I can find the rest of Release 15: 1958 Chevy LCF (blue) 1950 Studebaker2R (with snowplow but not needed for my Pensacola, Fl layout - lol) 1956 Ford F-100 stake bed If you need nice 1950s work trucks for your layout then head to WallyWorld! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66473	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel S Track

Stumpy, You do have a right to your opinion as I think the others who emailed you in private could of posted their thoughts to the list. But I do not like people making a statement about how one might of copied something, when you offered no real proof. I think a opinion on say, I like this track over this track because........is a legitatement opinion. But claiming Lionel copied SHS on the track without proof is serious business. Give me the proof, then I can decide. Please don’t make a statement without proof. Please don’t spur a fire that might lead to rumors about the track, when it is not on the market yet. I don’t do private emails on something that was written by someone on the list. I emailed the list about this, not you in private, since you posted your opinion to the list. I did not know I was suppose to email you in private on something you stated. That is not how the list is done normally. That is great you think Lionel copied SHS track, as I do not. I have looked at pictures of both companies track, a picture of SHS track on the SHS website and a picture on a website taking orders for the Lionel track. You say they look alike, I say they do not. But how are you going to make something completely different in looks, not performance like connecting the track together.? The angle of the road bed is probably a standard angle. Why the angle looks just like the roadbed I used from Hobby Innovations. Gee maybe they should sue, since the angle of the downward slope of the roadbed looks the same. SHS has more roughness to its ballast which is good, on the top and side. Lionel has holes in it track for screws, nails. I did not see any holes in the SHS track, as they might have a pilot hole underneath their track. Lionel roughess to the road bed is between the rails, smoother on the side. Difficult to see how the track connects together, as that would a key point. You are so sure, they have the same design in attaching to another piece of track?? I don’t see how one can tell from the photos I have seen of both. The SHS pictures is very detailed, but I could not find a detail picture of the ends of the Lionel track. I did not check their website for a picture. And yes, Lionel has no color in the track. rails? Same as SHS? Code? Material, Connectors? Again, I have no issues if the angle of the roadbed downward is similar. Okay, make SHS 45% and Lionel 46%, Silly. Should you not wait to judge Lionel before you actually have each track in your hands? I think you thinking they are so alike is wrong at this time, without actually seeing the pieces side by side. Did Lionel have there track at York? Okay if someone tells me they are actaully alike than take you complaint and hire a lawyer. We have not heard from the owners of SHS about this, as I know they where at York and probably saw the Lionel track. So, if the owners of SHS say it looks like their track, let them be the ones to be really upset about this. Please state on how you think the track was copied. Have a nice chat tonight, I have other things on my mind right now like a knee replacement surgery Tuesday morning and other things in life. I don’t do chats. Have a great chat tonight. And lastly, I don’t give a hoot about either track since I am not using either, as my layout is done and was done with Classic Trains track. if my grammar and sentencing is not to anyone’s liking, sorry. I re-read this many times. Best, Mike From: mrstumpy50 Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 1:45 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Lionel S Track Mike; As with everyone else on this Group, I have a right to my opinion, just as you do. Having been in a hobby shop for twenty some years, I have seen this done before several times, the most explosive time being when Mike at MTH nailed Lionel over their oriental contractors ripping off his locomotive designs for Lionel. This tends to make me very suspicious when similar events happen. The timing and circumstances that Lionel suddenly comes up with a near duplicate of SHS track right after SHS can't get it made anymore seems just too coincidental to me. Chinese business practices are "somewhat less than ethical" as we are finding out. Since my earlier posting, several others have e-mailed me directly discussing the matter. I invite you to do the same, just click on the "send e-mail" on the right. I'm sure this will be discussed on CHAT tonight as well, starting at 8pm EST. Terry "Stumpy" Stone Martins Ferry, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66474	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/6/2011, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 66475	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel S Track

Dear Stumpy, I see I should have answered this sooner. I am in NC at the moment and away from my computer. Before we produced our S Trax System, an engineer at Lionel asked for samples of our track and told us they were willing to purchase 100,000 straight and 250,000 sections of curved track. They did not want the track to be exactly like ours, but undecorated and using steel rail. Sample were produced and sent along. The response is that they wanted us to instead make "O" gauge track. Unfortunately, Sanda Kan had just started making Atlas "O" and they had introduced a new track system. At that time, Mr. W.S. Ting told us they would not want to make "O" gauge track for us. I think this was in 1998. Not that had any interest in making "O" gauge, but thought we could use the profits from the track we sold them to expand our track line. Over the years we have heard from dealers that had sold large orders of our track to Lionel. We even sold a bunch to one of Lionel's V.P.s. I will admit that when I saw their track at York, I did recognize some aspects that we had developed that is different than other track systems with molded roadbed. But, to be honest, we thought that what we did was not that unique as to warrant the legal cost of a patent. The first version of our track we were planning on using locking tabs similar to those found on Kato HO and N scale track. We displayed samples like this at the IM&HS in Rosemont, IL. After a day, we saw a steady stream of Kato employees coming by to look at our track. A man who made O & HO track in Switzerland who Robin and I met in China came by and looked over our samples. He told us that Kato held that patent for the locking tabs and we would not need that item for our track system in S scale. We retooled the roadbed removing the need for separate locking tabs. The next time I heard from Kato was a few years later at an NMRA National Train Show. The son of the owner of Kato purchased some of our track and several pairs of switches. This was about 10 years ago and we never heard from them again... When we introduced our switches, we did get a visit from someone from Bachmann who told us they held the patent for an integral switch machine in a track system that included the roadbed. I told him that I thought that was interesting since I thought that AC Gilberts HO track included this feature before WWII. I never heard back from them either.... As far as ideas from one model railroad mfg. ending up in another's project I bet I can think of 100s of examples. From my experience, this is a very common practice in all scales. When you think about it, when we made our first project, the PS2 of 1957, were we not copying other's work who made the prototype? I remember when we made our extended vision caboose, three "O" mfgs. copied our brakeman with a cup in his hand. In a way, I thought it was a compliment.... Don On Nov 6, 2011, at 7:50 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > This an observation that I am sure many others have also have made: From the photos of the new Lionel S Fast Track, it looks exactly like S-Helper Service sectional track, but without the coloring. This brings up a number of nasty questions about manufacturing and product ownership rights in China, none of which reflect well upon Lionel. > I'll reserve further comment for the moment. > Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66476	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: New Atlas Turnout Controller

https://secure.atlasrr.com/mod1/itemdesc.asp?ic=0057&eq=&Tp= Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66477	From: piccu56	Date: 11/6/2011
Subject: Nice Stuff

I just bought a gorgeous 287 off this seller. He has some nice stuff. http://www.bonanza.com/booths/274542?postcommit_show=true In case the link doesn't post just Google Bonanza, and on their main page in the search box type in oldtoytrains. It should come up with his booth. Have a great evening. David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66478	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Re: "MOXIE" Tank Car Photo

As I stated, SHS. <<<Who manufactured the reefer? S-Helper or Crown?>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66479	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel S Track

If seen, you would easily recognize differences from S-Trax,,,,,,the rail is different.....the ballast detail is different......the tab connectors are different.....the power connection is different. The only things identical are 2 rails on plastic roadbed. If Lionel "copied" anything, it is their own O-gauge fasttrack system! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66480	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Advice Requested

Hi All, My layout is around 75% complete and now I have to make a decision. I have been diagnosed with CLL (chronic lymphocytic leukemia). The good news it is in an early stage – the bad news it has affected all three types of blood cells. I go back to the doctor in a couple of weeks to decide whether to go for a six month treatment regimen or not. I have conflicting "advice" on survival probability – anywhere from a couple of years to maybe ten. The main problem is my platelet count is so low that if it drops a little more it could be terminal, but it is steady and not dropping right now. At least I'm working with M. D. Anderson and they are one of the world's top cancer research and treatment centers. Add this to the type 1 diabetis I've had since 1977 and the future doesn't look too bright. So what to do with the layout and all of the AF I've "collected"? I don't want to burden my wife with trying to sell all this stuff by herself, but I don't want to give up on the layout and tear it down this close to being "complete". My leaning is to sell off all of the newer stuff (AFL, SHS, American Models), keep my original set I got as a child and keep a couple of rare pieces. I'm just can't decide which way to go with the layout. I know I'm not the first on the list to have to face a serious illness, so I'm asking for advice on how to move forward. Thanks to all my "S" friends! David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66481	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Re Track tion

I guess I went off too soon on the track thing. I have to agree with Don Thompson as he knows the whole story and I do not. You will have to forgive my suspicious nature when it comes to Lionel, having dealt with both them and MTH over the years at the hobby shop. I also am not a fan of the Chinese because of some of their ways of doing business. However, if Don is not upset about the track, who am I to get excited? I still think it looks a LOT like the SHS product, but now I know why. Stumpy in Ahia...leaving the scene with my tail between my legs :-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66482	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Making Canvas Cab Curtains

The November issue of Model Railroad Hobbyist has an article on making steam locomotive cab curtains from teabags. The magazine is free and can be viewed on-line or downloaded http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/magazine/mrh-2011-11-nov Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66483	From: frank emiro	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel S Track

Doug, very good and true. Frank R. EMIRO ________________________________ From: Doug Peck <doug@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 7:57 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel S Track   If seen, you would easily recognize differences from S-Trax,,,,,,the rail is different.....the ballast detail is different......the tab connectors are different.....the power connection is different. The only things identical are 2 rails on plastic roadbed. If Lionel "copied" anything, it is their own O-gauge fasttrack system! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66484	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: FIY U33 Update at:

FIY... U33 Update at: http://lionelllc.wordpress.com/2011/11/07/new-product-spotlight-american-flyer-u33c/ Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66485	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Illness

David, I am really sorry and bummed out to read what you are going through right now. I don’t have the right words to say to you, I wish I did. I consider you a friend and I just wanted to let you know I will be thinking of you and I wish you the best. I wish I could do something for you, but I am not sure what. I myself have a lot of health issues, bad back, 3 surgeries, need another one, blind in one eye, due to retina issues, the other eye is blurry, both knees are bad, as I am going into the hospital tomorrow for a knee replacement. But none of these compares to what you will be going through along with your wife. You are a breath of fresh air, with good stories, about your layout, Lionel and so on, on the list. I just want to wish you and your wife all the best. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66486	From: George Sharp, G&R Model Trains	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Re: Advice Requested

David, First off let me say you are a very brave person and if I was faced with something like you are facing I hope I have the courage you do. I don't want to get too religious but I would be happy to put you in my thoughts and prayers if you wish. As far as advice, my father-in-law has been faced with the same type of situation. He is very uncertain of his future but has a large collection of beloved toys to deal with. He decided to sell some, will some to family, and keep some of the collection around. (Especially the rare pieces, etc.) I am still young but have been collecting since I was a young child. I have willed my collection to be split between my three children. If one of them has a large interested he / she will have to buy the other person out. However if you do not have anyone that has interest in the collection, selling them could be your best course of action. You can then use the money for other potentially needed expenses. I am not sure if any of this helps but wish you nothing but the best and I hope you continue to keep the "S" gauge family updated. Sincerely, George E. Sharp, Jr * gsharpjr@... * 724-875-3940 Check us out on the web: www.gandrmodeltrains.com <http://www.gandrmodeltrains.com/> _____ From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bull_gator_1 Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 9:16 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Advice Requested Hi All, My layout is around 75% complete and now I have to make a decision. I have been diagnosed with CLL (chronic lymphocytic leukemia). The good news it is in an early stage - the bad news it has affected all three types of blood cells. I go back to the doctor in a couple of weeks to decide whether to go for a six month treatment regimen or not. I have conflicting "advice" on survival probability - anywhere from a couple of years to maybe ten. The main problem is my platelet count is so low that if it drops a little more it could be terminal, but it is steady and not dropping right now. At least I'm working with M. D. Anderson and they are one of the world's top cancer research and treatment centers. Add this to the type 1 diabetis I've had since 1977 and the future doesn't look too bright. So what to do with the layout and all of the AF I've "collected"? I don't want to burden my wife with trying to sell all this stuff by herself, but I don't want to give up on the layout and tear it down this close to being "complete". My leaning is to sell off all of the newer stuff (AFL, SHS, American Models), keep my original set I got as a child and keep a couple of rare pieces. I'm just can't decide which way to go with the layout. I know I'm not the first on the list to have to face a serious illness, so I'm asking for advice on how to move forward. Thanks to all my "S" friends! David ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.27, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.18660) http://www.pctools.com <http://www.pctools.com/?cclick=EmailFooterClean_51> ======= ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.27, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.18660) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66487	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel S Track

Tab connectors, I could not think of what to call them! Thanks Doug. I am used to seeing HO rail joiners, as my S track from Classic Trains is like HO track, rail joiners, not tabs. yes, it is a dead ringer in the photos from Frank and Lionel that the connectors are not the same, which is the most important part of the track I would think. Again, I have no problems with anyone making a opinion about something, but at least wait till you have the item in your hands. Mike From: Doug Peck Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 7:57 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel S Track If seen, you would easily recognize differences from S-Trax,,,,,,the rail is different.....the ballast detail is different......the tab connectors are different.....the power connection is different. The only things identical are 2 rails on plastic roadbed. If Lionel "copied" anything, it is their own O-gauge fasttrack system! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 mailto:doug%40portlines.com www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66488	From: frank emiro	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel S Track

My two cents; SHS makes the very BEST. The Lionel NEW S Track is very nice. Frank R. EMIRO ________________________________ From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel S Track   Tab connectors, I could not think of what to call them! Thanks Doug. I am used to seeing HO rail joiners, as my S track from Classic Trains is like HO track, rail joiners, not tabs. yes, it is a dead ringer in the photos from Frank and Lionel that the connectors are not the same, which is the most important part of the track I would think. Again, I have no problems with anyone making a opinion about something, but at least wait till you have the item in your hands. Mike From: Doug Peck Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 7:57 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel S Track If seen, you would easily recognize differences from S-Trax,,,,,,the rail is different.....the ballast detail is different......the tab connectors are different.....the power connection is different. The only things identical are 2 rails on plastic roadbed. If Lionel "copied" anything, it is their own O-gauge fasttrack system! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 mailto:doug%40portlines.com www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66489	From: Richard Falzini	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Re: Advice Requested

Hello,            First off let me say I feel for you and your on going health issues. I was always taught the 2 most important things are your family and your health. I know as I have struggled with back issues and epilepsy my entire life, also with some other medical issues. But to the question at hand, If I were in your shoes I think I would complete my layout and enjoy the things I love to the fullest. As to parting with your stuff, well I think perhaps I would keep all I have and do an inventory to what I have along with current prices of value so your wife will not get ripped off by unscrupulous people. But then again, this is what I would do. Perhaps you feel another avenue is best suited for your situation Rich in Cleveland >________________________________ >From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> >To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 9:15 AM >Subject: [S-Trains] Advice Requested > > >  >Hi All, > >My layout is around 75% complete and now I have to make a decision. I have been diagnosed with CLL (chronic lymphocytic leukemia). The good news it is in an early stage – the bad news it has affected all three types of blood cells. I go back to the doctor in a couple of weeks to decide whether to go for a six month treatment regimen or not. I have conflicting "advice" on survival probability – anywhere from a couple of years to maybe ten. The main problem is my platelet count is so low that if it drops a little more it could be terminal, but it is steady and not dropping right now. At least I'm working with M. D. Anderson and they are one of the world's top cancer research and treatment centers. Add this to the type 1 diabetis I've had since 1977 and the future doesn't look too bright. > >So what to do with the layout and all of the AF I've "collected"? I don't want to burden my wife with trying to sell all this stuff by herself, but I don't want to give up on the layout and tear it down this close to being "complete". My leaning is to sell off all of the newer stuff (AFL, SHS, American Models), keep my original set I got as a child and keep a couple of rare pieces. I'm just can't decide which way to go with the layout. > >I know I'm not the first on the list to have to face a serious illness, so I'm asking for advice on how to move forward. > >Thanks to all my "S" friends! > >David > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66490	From: Timboy	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: What Would Any Of Us Do?

Dave, I have a huge vintage American Flyer layout in my basement. While I was building it, the question of what I would do with it if faced with my own mortality naturally entered my mind. There are probably a few of us who have considered that. I decided that if there was enough time and I remained healthy enough a while, I would call my refuse hauler and rent a gondola. I would take out my Sawzall and chunk the layout up into manageable pieces; benchwork, wiring, scenery, track, buildings, accessories and all. There is nothing on that layout of mine that is especially valuable. I could get that done in a day or two. None of my trains are valuable, so I would just pack them up and let my survivor(s) have a house auction for them and anything else in the house they would not want to take with them to an apartment, townhouse or condo. If I had any high-end items, I would either pass them on to anyone in the family who appreciated them or - more likely - direct my survivor(s) in the best way to liquidate them for the money. That would be closure on that hobby for me. I have another hobby - gardening - and I would tear out all the things I built and/or planted that won't help the house sell well and put them in that same gondola. Then I would spread grass seed and straw over all. Again; closure on the hobby. Everything else I have - woodworking tools, etc. - could be sold at house auction. That is how I would handle the whole thing in a week or less. Then I would use the rest of the time to enjoy what ever I could. Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66491	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Engineering of track

From a O gauge friend who is retired Engineer for Bell Atlantic. Mike Mike, Welcome to the world of product definition and design! The end customer never hears or sees anything about the upfront effort that goes on in defining a new product. One of the things that is usually done is to examine the competition to see what value added characteristics one can provide to differentiate the new product. Track is viewed typically as a commodity product. All of these new track systems try to find ways to make them more appealing, authentic, scale-like, easier to assemble, wire up, etc.. It doesn't help when there are only a few suppliers available to manufacture the product, as it is the manufacturer who often owns the dies and arrangements are defined under what circumstances the manufacturer can use the dies. These kinds of discussions & interactions go on all the time. Often it is the product manager and engineering/design team that guide the product during this definition phase. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66492	From: Dave	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: "MOXIE" Reefer Photo

We have added a photo of our new "MOXIE" reefer to show how our decals look when applied to a car. To view please use the link to our album here at the group. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/list?order=ordinal Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66493	From: David Haslauer	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Re: What Would Any Of Us Do?

Timboy, That sounds like a good plan. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66494	From: Bob Groh	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Re: What Would Any Of Us Do?

Good plan. I am also creeping up on the 'mortality' question and I certainly have too much 'stuff'. Trying to get it cut down but it sure is a lot easier to acquire it than it is to get rid of it! My son says he will do exactly what you plan to do - get a big dumpster and throw it away. At least I had fun with it. Bob Groh Blue Springs, Missouri On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > ** > > > Dave, > > I have a huge vintage American Flyer layout in my basement. While I was > building it, the question of what I would do with it if faced with my own > mortality naturally entered my mind. There are probably a few of us who > have considered that. I decided that if there was enough time and I > remained healthy enough a while, I would call my refuse hauler and rent a > gondola. I would take out my Sawzall and chunk the layout up into > manageable pieces; benchwork, wiring, scenery, track, buildings, > accessories and all. There is nothing on that layout of mine that is > especially valuable. I could get that done in a day or two. None of my > trains are valuable, so I would just pack them up and let my survivor(s) > have a house auction for them and anything else in the house they would not > want to take with them to an apartment, townhouse or condo. If I had any > high-end items, I would either pass them on to anyone in the family who > appreciated them or - more likely - direct my survivor(s) in the best way > to liquidate them for the money. That would be closure on that hobby for > me. I have another hobby - gardening - and I would tear out all the things > I built and/or planted that won't help the house sell well and put them in > that same gondola. Then I would spread grass seed and straw over all. > Again; closure on the hobby. Everything else I have - woodworking tools, > etc. - could be sold at house auction. That is how I would handle the whole > thing in a week or less. Then I would use the rest of the time to enjoy > what ever I could. > > Regards, > Timboy > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66495	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Fwd: What Would Any Of Us Do?

Begin forwarded message: > From: "clipper841@..." <clipper841@...> > Date: November 7, 2011 4:28:34 PM PST > To: afironhorse@... > Subject: Re: What Would Any Of Us Do? > > try your sons, and daughters first, if they don't want it, try your > nephews, and then your cousins kids and if they don't want it try > your neighbor's kids, > the thing is to pass it on to someone who will enjoy it, the very > last thing you want to do is to sell it to a "buyer", they will > screw you royally, and make the > money to line their pockets, and at this time of the year, there is > always "toys for tots", and a host of other charitable > organizations who are looking for donations, > just make sure they have a look at it first [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66496	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Re: What Would Any Of Us Do?

This is a difficult decision that many of us must face eventually. I'm over 65 and the last few years have not been kind. I was diagnosed with bladder cancer several years ago and surgery apparently caught it in time. I also had back surgery last year to repair a spinal problem I've had since childhood. We never know for sure when the final curtain will drop so we need to be thinking about it while we can. I have dozens of American Flyer sets as well as a store display and several vintage cars, including a '70 Jaguar XK-E and a couple of Datsun Z cars and more junk than I can reasonably count. I have made out a will and given my wife power of attorney to do as she wishes. However, I need to catalog everything and place an approximate value on it so she doesn't just give it away to Goodwill. This is something that all of us who are approaching the final station call must think about. It's sad but we all need to be thinking about that eventuality. I feel for you and hope that things turn out for the long run instead of the short term. You have my condolences and wishes for a long and healthy future. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66497	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Re: What Would Any Of Us Do?

I can not image what David and his wife are going through right now. Again, David I wish you two all the best with this, I wish I had the right words to say to you. I am one who has taken time out to get a lawyer to write a will for Linda and me. It did not cost that much to do. I only 56 but I did this 4 years ago. We all need to do this NOW. Don’t wait. Since I have no one to leave anything to, most of the items we have are going to charities and colleges we went to. Most of my things are going to the C&O canal association, Friends of Acadia (Maine), and the trains, are going to the TCA, as they can decide what to keep and what to sell, as I do have a lot of rare pieces, the collection is insured. And Linda is very knowledgeable about the values of the trains due to books, York, eBay, etc. The other charities can sell the other items they will get. I highly recommend we all let someone in our families know about the things we own, get things written in a inventory, as I posted a inventory sheet on this list in pictures, I think it is listed as American Flyer Inventory Sheet or maybe AF Inventory Sheet. Explain to them what you have, show them any guide books, etc.. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1148738435/pic/list?mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc Inventory sheet Again, David, I am praying that you will be okay. Sincerely, Mike From: Timboy Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 6:23 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] What Would Any Of Us Do? Dave, I have a huge vintage American Flyer layout in my basement. While I was building it, the question of what I would do with it if faced with my own mortality naturally entered my mind. There are probably a few of us who have considered that. I decided that if there was enough time and I remained healthy enough a while, I would call my refuse hauler and rent a gondola. I would take out my Sawzall and chunk the layout up into manageable pieces; benchwork, wiring, scenery, track, buildings, accessories and all. There is nothing on that layout of mine that is especially valuable. I could get that done in a day or two. None of my trains are valuable, so I would just pack them up and let my survivor(s) have a house auction for them and anything else in the house they would not want to take with them to an apartment, townhouse or condo. If I had any high-end items, I would either pass them on to anyone in the family who appreciated them or - more likely - direct my survivor(s) in the best way to liquidate them for the money. That would be closure on that hobby for me. I have another hobby - gardening - and I would tear out all the things I built and/or planted that won't help the house sell well and put them in that same gondola. Then I would spread grass seed and straw over all. Again; closure on the hobby. Everything else I have - woodworking tools, etc. - could be sold at house auction. That is how I would handle the whole thing in a week or less. Then I would use the rest of the time to enjoy what ever I could. Regards, Timboy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66498	From: Larry Moore	Date: 11/7/2011
Subject: Re: Advice Requested

David, I have not met anybody on this list in person, but I consider all to be good friends, bound together, by the love of our hobby. I want you to know that my thoughts and prayers are with you, as you start down this difficult path. Are you a member of NASG? If so, keep in mind that as a member, in situations like this, they would help your family, appraise and help sell your items, if the worst should happen. My thought would be to keep all, and enjoy as long as you can. I am sure any of us, will help you as much as we can, whatever decision, you come to. Keep up a fighting spirit, Larry Moore From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bull_gator_1 Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 9:16 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Advice Requested Hi All, My layout is around 75% complete and now I have to make a decision. I have been diagnosed with CLL (chronic lymphocytic leukemia). The good news it is in an early stage - the bad news it has affected all three types of blood cells. I go back to the doctor in a couple of weeks to decide whether to go for a six month treatment regimen or not. I have conflicting "advice" on survival probability - anywhere from a couple of years to maybe ten. The main problem is my platelet count is so low that if it drops a little more it could be terminal, but it is steady and not dropping right now. At least I'm working with M. D. Anderson and they are one of the world's top cancer research and treatment centers. Add this to the type 1 diabetis I've had since 1977 and the future doesn't look too bright. So what to do with the layout and all of the AF I've "collected"? I don't want to burden my wife with trying to sell all this stuff by herself, but I don't want to give up on the layout and tear it down this close to being "complete". My leaning is to sell off all of the newer stuff (AFL, SHS, American Models), keep my original set I got as a child and keep a couple of rare pieces. I'm just can't decide which way to go with the layout. I know I'm not the first on the list to have to face a serious illness, so I'm asking for advice on how to move forward. Thanks to all my "S" friends! David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66499	From: Dave in Maryland	Date: 11/8/2011
Subject: Re: Advice Requested

David, Thanks for your openness with the group. Since you asked for advice, here is a small portion: + Have the trains you will sell appraised and identify a purchaser in advance so that, if and when the time comes, all your wife needs to do is place a phone call. Mark the few items you want to be kept in the family. +Keep working on your layout and playing with your trains. Pursuing your passions can be healing. My prayers are with you for a complete healing. Now, I need to take my own advice! Dave --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > My layout is around 75% complete and now I have to make a decision. I have been diagnosed with CLL (chronic lymphocytic leukemia). The good news it is in an early stage – the bad news it has affected all three types of blood cells. I go back to the doctor in a couple of weeks to decide whether to go for a six month treatment regimen or not. I have conflicting "advice" on survival probability – anywhere from a couple of years to maybe ten. The main problem is my platelet count is so low that if it drops a little more it could be terminal, but it is steady and not dropping right now. At least I'm working with M. D. Anderson and they are one of the world's top cancer research and treatment centers. Add this to the type 1 diabetis I've had since 1977 and the future doesn't look too bright. > > So what to do with the layout and all of the AF I've "collected"? I don't want to burden my wife with trying to sell all this stuff by herself, but I don't want to give up on the layout and tear it down this close to being "complete". My leaning is to sell off all of the newer stuff (AFL, SHS, American Models), keep my original set I got as a child and keep a couple of rare pieces. I'm just can't decide which way to go with the layout. > > I know I'm not the first on the list to have to face a serious illness, so I'm asking for advice on how to move forward. > > Thanks to all my "S" friends! > > David >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66500	From: Dave	Date: 11/8/2011
Subject: "MOXIE" Box Car

Again we thought that someone out there would expect a "MOXIE" box car and sure enough the request came in around 10:00 last night. Please use the link below to view the new "MOXIE" box car decal set. The black text in the sample is actually WHITE on the decal set. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/1684563145/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc Thank you all for your continuing support and great "MOXIE" ideas. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66501	From: gerald r dobbs	Date: 11/8/2011
Subject: Re: What Would Any Of Us Do?

My local Rocky Mountain Division of TCA has had auctions for years to dispose of members collection .Over the years RMDTCA has found it is better to keep it in house, RMDTCA has it's own auctioneer, several volunteers to run the auction, a computer to track all sales,. look but no touch items to the general bidders, with help from the staff to examine the items, when the auction is finished, purchasers are call buy bid # , pay and our checked out. The cost runs about 10% + expenses. It is very efficient and prices of the trains is good for older items newer items, not so good, but every thing go's, tools, track, tables, parts, toys, every thing go's at one time, and the seller has one buy back bid per item. RMDTCA has about three auctions per year. More chapters should do this for there members Jerry 77-11644 ____________________________________________________________ 57 Year Old Mom Looks 27 Mom Reveals $3 Wrinkle Trick Angering Doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4eb955d6a547440e62m06duc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66502	From: Dale Reynolds	Date: 11/8/2011
Subject: Estate planning

Sorry to learn about list members' health problems. Suggest donating our trains to the locl club that is interested in s gauge, or NASG if no club in your area. My 25 year old club got a permanent home in 2005 with room for a 10' by 15' tinplate layout that due to 5 major donations of AF trains has entertained tons of both kids and adults, has won awards/grants from local tourist groups, and been on Spartanburg TV. A wonderful win-win experience for us. Dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66503	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 11/8/2011
Subject: TCA GROUP IN nORTHERN iLLINOIS

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 66504	From: flyerman336	Date: 11/8/2011
Subject: Re: Advice Requested

David, first and foremost you and your family are in our prayers as you face difficult illness. We are in some what similar situations with to many trains, however I have a son and grandson who want all of mine so I don't have much advice on your train issues. If its any consolation to you I was diagnosed with CLL in in1998 and I turned 68 last month. So far I have not had to go through any treatment, just frequent monitoring by my Oncologist. The only advice I offer is to enjoy each day with your family and trains to the fullest. God bless you and yours. Jim in Louisiana. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > My layout is around 75% complete and now I have to make a decision. I have been diagnosed with CLL (chronic lymphocytic leukemia). The good news it is in an early stage – the bad news it has affected all three types of blood cells. I go back to the doctor in a couple of weeks to decide whether to go for a six month treatment regimen or not. I have conflicting "advice" on survival probability – anywhere from a couple of years to maybe ten. The main problem is my platelet count is so low that if it drops a little more it could be terminal, but it is steady and not dropping right now. At least I'm working with M. D. Anderson and they are one of the world's top cancer research and treatment centers. Add this to the type 1 diabetis I've had since 1977 and the future doesn't look too bright. > > So what to do with the layout and all of the AF I've "collected"? I don't want to burden my wife with trying to sell all this stuff by herself, but I don't want to give up on the layout and tear it down this close to being "complete". My leaning is to sell off all of the newer stuff (AFL, SHS, American Models), keep my original set I got as a child and keep a couple of rare pieces. I'm just can't decide which way to go with the layout. > > I know I'm not the first on the list to have to face a serious illness, so I'm asking for advice on how to move forward. > > Thanks to all my "S" friends! > > David >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66505	From: Ben	Date: 11/8/2011
Subject: Re: Advice Requested

David- Our family's prayers are with you in this difficult time. Folks seem to have differing views on how to proceed in your circumstances. Each person has different ways of dealing with things. If I were you, I would keep the trains and work on the layout until it was impossible for me to do so. The trains are a relaxing hobby for me...and they take my mind off of the rest of life's challenges and negative situations. I am fortunate in that my wife attends train shows with me, knows what the trains are worth (because I tell her what they are worth, even if I pay less!) and she knows where my price guides are. I do not worry that she will be "taken" by unscrupulous collectors when I am gone. She also plans to save the trains for our young daughter, and if she does not want them, will enlist the help of my collecting friend first and foremost, then consider an auction house to move the whole collection at once (she attends auctions with me, too!), or sell the collection at local train shows such as the York TCA meet. If I live a long life, I suspect that my trains will bring pennies on the dollar as there will be no one left interested in these old relics. Regardless, I never collected them to make money...I enjoy them exponentially in the moment. Make sure your family knows what you have and what each piece is worth if that is a concern to you...with a written inventory is best. Bottom line- enjoy those trains as long as possible. Regards, Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > My layout is around 75% complete and now I have to make a decision. I have been diagnosed with CLL (chronic lymphocytic leukemia). The good news it is in an early stage – the bad news it has affected all three types of blood cells. I go back to the doctor in a couple of weeks to decide whether to go for a six month treatment regimen or not. I have conflicting "advice" on survival probability – anywhere from a couple of years to maybe ten. The main problem is my platelet count is so low that if it drops a little more it could be terminal, but it is steady and not dropping right now. At least I'm working with M. D. Anderson and they are one of the world's top cancer research and treatment centers. Add this to the type 1 diabetis I've had since 1977 and the future doesn't look too bright. > > So what to do with the layout and all of the AF I've "collected"? I don't want to burden my wife with trying to sell all this stuff by herself, but I don't want to give up on the layout and tear it down this close to being "complete". My leaning is to sell off all of the newer stuff (AFL, SHS, American Models), keep my original set I got as a child and keep a couple of rare pieces. I'm just can't decide which way to go with the layout. > > I know I'm not the first on the list to have to face a serious illness, so I'm asking for advice on how to move forward. > > Thanks to all my "S" friends! > > David >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66506	From: Ben	Date: 11/8/2011
Subject: Tips on painting resin models?

I tried spray painting the CAT crawler tractor that comes with the Scenery Unlimited circus set this evening. The spray paint does not cover well and the original orange shows through. It is high quality Krylon paint. The coverage is splotchy at best. I washed the model last evening. I thought that might help... I am wondering if there are any tips on how to prep this model for painting? I am guessing perhaps sanding the original orange coating for better adhesion or priming the model with a neutral primer? Will spray paint not work in this instance? Should I be using brush-on acrylics? Any ideas appreciated. I would like to make the tractor more realistic. Thanks! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66507	From: race944t	Date: 11/8/2011
Subject: Re: Advice Requested

My only experience with this sort of illness is my mother and the family greatly appreciated what she did. Keep and enjoy everything. It will keep you busy and you will enjoy them. Make arrangements with the family when you find out more about your illness. See if there is any genuine interest in continuing your legacy. Don't make any snap decisions while you are exploring your medical options. Enjoy the trains. I agree with Larry. There are any number of us on here that will be glad to help you at any time. Banker Bill > Hi All, > > My layout is around 75% complete and now I have to make a decision. I have > been diagnosed with CLL (chronic lymphocytic leukemia). The good news it is > in an early stage - the bad news it has affected all three types of blood > cells. I go back to the doctor in a couple of weeks to decide whether to go > for a six month treatment regimen or not. I have conflicting "advice" on > survival probability - anywhere from a couple of years to maybe ten. The > main problem is my platelet count is so low that if it drops a little more > it could be terminal, but it is steady and not dropping right now. At least > I'm working with M. D. Anderson and they are one of the world's top cancer > research and treatment centers. Add this to the type 1 diabetis I've had > since 1977 and the future doesn't look too bright. > > So what to do with the layout and all of the AF I've "collected"? I don't > want to burden my wife with trying to sell all this stuff by herself, but I > don't want to give up on the layout and tear it down this close to being > "complete". My leaning is to sell off all of the newer stuff (AFL, SHS, > American Models), keep my original set I got as a child and keep a couple of > rare pieces. I'm just can't decide which way to go with the layout. > > I know I'm not the first on the list to have to face a serious illness, so > I'm asking for advice on how to move forward. > > Thanks to all my "S" friends! > > David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66508	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2011
Subject: Re: Tips on painting resin models?

If you have access to a glass beader, that would probably be the best option. Steve In a message dated 11/8/2011 4:45:25 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, lbstiles@... writes: I tried spray painting the CAT crawler tractor that comes with the Scenery Unlimited circus set this evening. The spray paint does not cover well and the original orange shows through. It is high quality Krylon paint. The coverage is splotchy at best. I washed the model last evening. I thought that might help... I am wondering if there are any tips on how to prep this model for painting? I am guessing perhaps sanding the original orange coating for better adhesion or priming the model with a neutral primer? Will spray paint not work in this instance? Should I be using brush-on acrylics? Any ideas appreciated. I would like to make the tractor more realistic. Thanks! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66509	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 11/8/2011
Subject: Re: Tips on painting resin models?

The mold release agent for resin is pretty tough stuff. Strip the paint and wash the resin with Bleche-White whitewall tire cleaner then prime and paint. I learned this lesson the hard way while building 1/43 scale car models. Bob Sent from my iPod On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:34 PM, "Ben" <lbstiles@...> wrote: > I tried spray painting the CAT crawler tractor that comes with the Scenery Unlimited circus set this evening. The spray paint does not cover well and the original orange shows through. It is high quality Krylon paint. The coverage is splotchy at best. > > I washed the model last evening. I thought that might help... > > I am wondering if there are any tips on how to prep this model for painting? I am guessing perhaps sanding the original orange coating for better adhesion or priming the model with a neutral primer? Will spray paint not work in this instance? Should I be using brush-on acrylics? > > Any ideas appreciated. I would like to make the tractor more realistic. > > Thanks! Ben > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66510	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2011
Subject: Re: Tips on painting resin models?

Ben, Try washing again with dish washing liquid. Many resins have an "oily" surface quality, you are not alone in this predicament. Use a toothbrush and scrub the little guy. Jim Lyle In a message dated 11/8/2011 6:45:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lbstiles@... writes: I tried spray painting the CAT crawler tractor that comes with the Scenery Unlimited circus set this evening. The spray paint does not cover well and the original orange shows through. It is high quality Krylon paint. The coverage is splotchy at best. I washed the model last evening. I thought that might help... I am wondering if there are any tips on how to prep this model for painting? I am guessing perhaps sanding the original orange coating for better adhesion or priming the model with a neutral primer? Will spray paint not work in this instance? Should I be using brush-on acrylics? Any ideas appreciated. I would like to make the tractor more realistic. Thanks! Ben ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66511	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 11/8/2011
Subject: Fall S Fest and Dealers bearing gifts

Somebody reminded me long ago that, should one win a door prize or other donated freebie at an event, it is appropriate to thank the donor. I don't win stuff often, but I did get a caboose once, and sent Mr Heimburger, the donor, an e-mail thanks. I have no idea what happened to the 1/64 semi rig (tractor, chassis, and APL container), I donated at the Fest, whether it went into the auction, raffle, door-prize, or what. I hope its present owner realizes that the container is a good load for an SSA (DPH) double-stack car. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66512	From: Ben	Date: 11/8/2011
Subject: Re: Tips on painting resin models?

Hey Jim- This is what I did last night...scrubbed with dish detergent and toothbrush. Looks like others are saying to strip the original orange layer and start from scratch. Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > Ben, > > Try washing again with dish washing liquid. Many resins have an "oily" > surface quality, you are not alone in this predicament. Use a toothbrush and > scrub the little guy. > > Jim Lyle > > > In a message dated 11/8/2011 6:45:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > lbstiles@... writes: > > I tried spray painting the CAT crawler tractor that comes with the Scenery > Unlimited circus set this evening. The spray paint does not cover well and > the original orange shows through. It is high quality Krylon paint. The > coverage is splotchy at best. > > I washed the model last evening. I thought that might help... > > I am wondering if there are any tips on how to prep this model for > painting? I am guessing perhaps sanding the original orange coating for better > adhesion or priming the model with a neutral primer? Will spray paint not work > in this instance? Should I be using brush-on acrylics? > > Any ideas appreciated. I would like to make the tractor more realistic. > > Thanks! Ben > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66513	From: Anthony Cynor	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel S Track

Okay, where has this been seen, I find nothing on it at Lionels Website. Is this unreleased product in development? Tony

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66514	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel S Track

Unreleased, but seen at York in its prototype stage. It was in the Lionel catalog---was it 2011 the first...? Roy From: Anthony Cynor <tonycynor@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 22:00:04 -0800 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel S Track Okay, where has this been seen, I find nothing on it at Lionels Website. Is this unreleased product in development? Tony [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66515	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: Challengers are in

CharlieRo.com has sent out an email that shows them ready to ship out. Sent from my iPhone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66516	From: Major	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: Challengers Received

Well my wife went to the hobby store yesterday and pick up the two Challengers that I ordered. I received the black UP without smoke deflectors and a Grey UP with smoke deflectors. Both locomotives have dual smoke stacks. I Have not had the opportunity to run then yet but they are impressive models. Both are much improved over the Big Boy with more add on detail and they sit about a quater inch lower than the Big Boy. No extra wide trucks on these beauties! The only thing I was surprised not to find was crew figures. But that will be an easy fix. I have TMMC but having three Legacy locomotives with a U33c on the way I am going to have to pick up the Legacy system to get the most out of the Big Boy, Challengers and U-boat.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66517	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel S Track

I took the live photos at Charlie Ro Saturday when Lionel CEO and others were present. I did so being it was the real deal. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2011, at 1:00 AM, Anthony Cynor <tonycynor@...> wrote: > Okay, where has this been seen, I find nothing on it at Lionels > Website. Is this unreleased product in development? > > Tony > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66518	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: Re: Challengers are in

Try enews@... Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2011, at 9:01 AM, Frank Emiro <femiro2002@...> wrote: > CharlieRo.com has sent out an email that shows them ready to ship out. > > Sent from my iPhone > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66519	From: Ben	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: Re: Tips on painting resin models?

I have access to a sand blaster at school...not sure if the medium they are using is glass or not. I am worried about losing details as I blast, but will check to see the medium they use. Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > If you have access to a glass beader, that would probably be the best > option. > > Steve > > > In a message dated 11/8/2011 4:45:25 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > lbstiles@... writes: > > > > > I tried spray painting the CAT crawler tractor that comes with the Scenery > Unlimited circus set this evening. The spray paint does not cover well and > the original orange shows through. It is high quality Krylon paint. The > coverage is splotchy at best. > > I washed the model last evening. I thought that might help... > > I am wondering if there are any tips on how to prep this model for > painting? I am guessing perhaps sanding the original orange coating for better > adhesion or priming the model with a neutral primer? Will spray paint not work > in this instance? Should I be using brush-on acrylics? > > Any ideas appreciated. I would like to make the tractor more realistic. > > Thanks! Ben > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66520	From: Timboy	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: An M&M Mine!

Hi Flyer Guys: Ever wonder where M&M's come from? Not there, silly. To find out where they REALLY come from, you are invited to visit: http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66523	From: ghslaw31	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: Speeder

I have posted in the last few weeks our idea for an S speeder. Before we proceed we need to know if the following scale dimensions are acceptable,8' long, 6' wide on 30" spoked wheels on a 5' wheel base, with a 8'x6' trailer. Your advice is appreciated. Gerry Siegel

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66524	From: Carey Probst	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: Re: Speeder

Seems right to me but how does it compare to actual speeders and is there a picture available? Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 11/9/2011 2:15 PM, ghslaw31 wrote: > > I have posted in the last few weeks our idea for an S speeder. Before > we proceed we need to know if the following scale dimensions are > acceptable,8' long, 6' wide on 30" spoked wheels on a 5' wheel base, > with a 8'x6' trailer. > Your advice is appreciated. > Gerry Siegel > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66525	From: Dave	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: "MOXIE" Box Car - MEC #1918

We have just added a photo to our album here at the group of the newest "MOXIE" car. This one is the first of two styles of MEC box cars. To view please use the link below. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/1974598578/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc Thank ypu all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66526	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: Re: Speeder

Hi Gerry: The dimensions appear acceptable to me.  Len Hall ________________________________ From: ghslaw31 <cgsiegel@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 12:15 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Speeder   I have posted in the last few weeks our idea for an S speeder. Before we proceed we need to know if the following scale dimensions are acceptable,8' long, 6' wide on 30" spoked wheels on a 5' wheel base, with a 8'x6' trailer. Your advice is appreciated. Gerry Siegel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66527	From: Thorin	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest and Dealers bearing gifts

Dear Tom: The rig ended up in the Auction and I purchased it for $40.00. The money went to a good cause. The BLUE container has great weight. I don't have plans for the cab and tailer. Amusing, I keep watching the ORANGE Hyundai container (and trailer). I finally decided not to purchase it! Thorin --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Hawley" <t.hawley@...> wrote: Somebody reminded me long ago that, should one win a door prize or other donated freebie at an event, it is appropriate to thank the donor. I don't win stuff often, but I did get a caboose once, and sent Mr Heimburger, the donor, an e-mail thanks. I have no idea what happened to the 1/64 semi rig (tractor, chassis, and APL container), I donated at the Fest, whether it went into the auction, raffle, door-prize, or what. I hope its present owner realizes that the container is a good load for an SSA (DPH) double-stack car. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66528	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: Re: Tips on painting resin models?

On 11/9/2011 10:09 AM, Ben wrote: > I have access to a sand blaster at school...not sure if the medium they > are using is glass or not. There are dozens of grades of abrasives and beads for use in a blast cabinet. I have one that I use for car restoration projects and the abrasive depends on what I am blasting. Something like walnut shells would be suitable for soft materials like plastic. Harder abrasives like silicon carbide would eat the plastic shell to pieces. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66529	From: Brady	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: Re: An M&M Mine!

I like it! BTW, I think your workers have been sampling the product, they've changed into the color of their favorite M&M's.. Brady Burdge --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > Hi Flyer Guys: > > Ever wonder where M&M's come from? Not there, silly. To find out where they REALLY come from, you are invited to visit: > > http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ > > Regards, > Timboy >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66530	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 11/9/2011
Subject: Re: Tips on painting resin models?

you could also use baking soda or powder, depending on your tip

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66531	From: rapidrail1	Date: 11/10/2011
Subject: Re: An M&M Mine!

Great idea! My railroad is the M&M (Midlothian and Manchester). And silly me, I have been mining coal with my coal loader. No more! It too will become an M&M mine. Thanks for the idea. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > Hi Flyer Guys: > > Ever wonder where M&M's come from? Not there, silly. To find out where they REALLY come from, you are invited to visit: > > http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ > > Regards, > Timboy >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66532	From: ken garber	Date: 11/10/2011
Subject: Speeder Pictures, etc

If you'd like to see the wide variety of speeders past and present, have a gander through http://www.narcoa.org/ I had a speeder for a year or so in the late 90's. I was never a member of NARCOA, but several of my friends still are. Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66533	From: Ray Puls	Date: 11/10/2011
Subject: Re: Speeder

The dimensions sound correct to me as to the ones I have seen live or pictured but have never measured, being a toy train guy this should be great. Could you show a picture or sketch so we could see the approximate appearance of the vehicle you are proposing? Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66534	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 11/10/2011
Subject: N.P. Observation Car

I am looking for a good used or new set of silhouettes for a 903 Observation Car. Also need the decals for this same car. I purchased a set of decals, but the font is much larger than the rest of the 1957 set. Help! Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66535	From: Gerry Siegel	Date: 11/10/2011
Subject: Re: Speeder

Carey, No pics available as we are still in the planning stage. The model, if produced, will be based on one of the Fairmont speeders. The dimensions, except for the wheels will close or a bit bigger to accomodate the powered truck. The wheels are oversized. That is because part of the powered truck is below the axle, making the wheels smaller would cause the motor to drag on the track. Gerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66536	From: johntech	Date: 11/10/2011
Subject: Re: An M&M Mine!

Did you know you can personalize your M&M's with custom words and pictures? I had my wife"s baby picture printed on the plain Yellow M&M's for her birthday. (More brownie points for me!! ) Just go here for the info http://www.mymms.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: rapidrail1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:10 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: An M&M Mine! Great idea! My railroad is the M&M (Midlothian and Manchester). And silly me, I have been mining coal with my coal loader. No more! It too will become an M&M mine. Thanks for the idea. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > Hi Flyer Guys: > > Ever wonder where M&M's come from? Not there, silly. To find out where they REALLY come from, you are invited to visit: > > http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ > > Regards, > Timboy > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66537	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 11/10/2011
Subject: Re: N.P. Observation Car

Mike, Doug Peck at Portlines.com has what you need. They are repros. Bob From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ruth A Leahy Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:08 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] N.P. Observation Car I am looking for a good used or new set of silhouettes for a 903 Observation Car. Also need the decals for this same car. I purchased a set of decals, but the font is much larger than the rest of the 1957 set. Help! Mike Leahy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66538	From: Carey Probst	Date: 11/10/2011
Subject: Re: Speeder

Thanks a lot, If you said originally a Fairmont I missed it so now know which one to expect. Will definitely want one if it is a go. carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 11/10/2011 9:11 AM, Gerry Siegel wrote: > > Carey, > No pics available as we are still in the planning stage. The model, if > produced, will be based on one of the Fairmont speeders. The > dimensions, except for the wheels will close or a bit bigger to > accomodate the powered truck. The wheels are oversized. That is > because part of the powered truck is below the axle, making the wheels > smaller would cause the motor to drag on the track. > Gerry > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66539	From: David	Date: 11/10/2011
Subject: CUSTOMER SUPPORT: "A NEW MEANING"

This gives a new meaning to customer support. Please view this customers video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWjgjk51Y9o Perhaps if more satisfied "S" gaugers would support their favorite manfacturers and hobby shops we would have more of them offering more & more "S" products. Just a thought... Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66540	From: Robert Conner	Date: 11/10/2011
Subject: Re: Tips on painting resin models?

I had that problem once on a Model Airplane kit..... Yellow looked like #$% .... So I first sprayed the wings with Silver..... Then the Yellow did perfect..... Just a thought.... Bob --- On Tue, 11/8/11, WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> wrote: From: WJJIM@... <WJJIM@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tips on painting resin models? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 8, 2011, 7:16 PM   Ben, Try washing again with dish washing liquid. Many resins have an "oily" surface quality, you are not alone in this predicament. Use a toothbrush and scrub the little guy. Jim Lyle In a message dated 11/8/2011 6:45:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lbstiles@... writes: I tried spray painting the CAT crawler tractor that comes with the Scenery Unlimited circus set this evening. The spray paint does not cover well and the original orange shows through. It is high quality Krylon paint. The coverage is splotchy at best. I washed the model last evening. I thought that might help... I am wondering if there are any tips on how to prep this model for painting? I am guessing perhaps sanding the original orange coating for better adhesion or priming the model with a neutral primer? Will spray paint not work in this instance? Should I be using brush-on acrylics? Any ideas appreciated. I would like to make the tractor more realistic. Thanks! Ben ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66541	From: barb	Date: 11/10/2011
Subject: Advise Requested

David, It breaks my heart to learn of your diagnosis of CLL. You, my friend, are on my prayer list. I agree with others on the list that have suggested that you not stop working on your layout. It is your physical, mental and emotional therapy. It's a wonderful layout from which I have learned a bunch. Keep posting photos as you progress. I also think your initial sense about selling off the new stuff and keeping the old is a good idea. Make an inventory of all that you keep with a price list. Then if need be, we will all help if necessary. But I also agree with Bill in not doing anything too soon. Just let it all rest in your head for awhile and the right decision will become clear. We're all pulling for you, Bull, and please keep us updated.... Barb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66542	From: Timboy	Date: 11/11/2011
Subject: Re: An M&M Mine!

Fellow Flyer Guys: Glad to hear those who responded both in public and in private have been inspired! I got the idea when I first started building my new RR, but had to put it off for a year until I found a nice Seaboard and until I finished up on some other basic stuff. My new project is to convert my whole RR from AC to DC. Since I am adding sidings and now have a yard, the whole concept has changed from a forward-running only layout to a combination of branch-line running and switching. I decided I no longer wanted to put up with persnickety 60+ year old mechanical revering units that always seem to require a good amount of "tender thumping". The simplest and cheapest solution is to swap them out for a small rectifier. So, for about the price of 2 modern "e-units", I have all the Radio Shack parts I need for the locos and the polarity-reversing toggle switches for my 8 transformers. I'm half-way done with that conversion and am very pleased with the results so far. Next up will be to create a few more sidings so I can establish a freight-car forwarding system. This will necessitate adding some narrow bump-outs to the edges of my layout. I'm looking for more ideas to add charm and whimsy - in the spirit of my M&M Mine. Any suggestions or ideas of what you have done would be appreciated. Please do not hesitate to respond either in public or in private; whichever you feel most comfortable with. I would love to see how you have incorporated whimsy into your layouts! Nothing new to report on my blog, but for those who wish to visit to see what I have built in the past 1 1/2 years or so, you are invited to visit: http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66543	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 11/11/2011
Subject: Lionel Chalenger

at this weekends Fort Worth Train show, I will get a first hand lookat this beauty. There will be 3 sguage venders in house. I will give my thoughts about it tomorrow. Thanks, Alan Lambert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66544	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 11/11/2011
Subject: Lionel Challenger

Here are some photos of my Challenger. http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/6882934917 More details later.... Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66545	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 11/11/2011
Subject: Re: Advice Requested

Hey David, sorry to hear about your delima. I had a mild heart attack in Feb. It's nothing like what you face but I'm doing fine. Just keep running yourtrains and it will helptake your mind off of it.Take everyones advice and make a list of your trains and then they can have a good idea how to sell them thanks, Alan Lambert --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > My layout is around 75% complete and now I have to make a decision. I have been diagnosed with CLL (chronic lymphocytic leukemia). The good news it is in an early stage – the bad news it has affected all three types of blood cells. I go back to the doctor in a couple of weeks to decide whether to go for a six month treatment regimen or not. I have conflicting "advice" on survival probability – anywhere from a couple of years to maybe ten. The main problem is my platelet count is so low that if it drops a little more it could be terminal, but it is steady and not dropping right now. At least I'm working with M. D. Anderson and they are one of the world's top cancer research and treatment centers. Add this to the type 1 diabetis I've had since 1977 and the future doesn't look too bright. > > So what to do with the layout and all of the AF I've "collected"? I don't want to burden my wife with trying to sell all this stuff by herself, but I don't want to give up on the layout and tear it down this close to being "complete". My leaning is to sell off all of the newer stuff (AFL, SHS, American Models), keep my original set I got as a child and keep a couple of rare pieces. I'm just can't decide which way to go with the layout. > > I know I'm not the first on the list to have to face a serious illness, so I'm asking for advice on how to move forward. > > Thanks to all my "S" friends! > > David >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66546	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 11/12/2011
Subject: lionel challenger

does anyone have the story of the balance of the challenger engines, according to lionel only, the two versions of the up engine are here, does anyone know when the balance of the other road engines are due in? looking for the wp veersion, but according to lionel this is sold out, but not available? thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66547	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/12/2011
Subject: Re: The S Gauge Layout Book...

Last week on a flight to Charlotte, I had a chance to read Brook�s latest book, Modeling the Buffalo Creek and Gauley Railroad. Of course I would be interested in reading any book about an S Scale layout, and Brooks has done a ton lately promoting our scale in the model railroad press. The book is a first class presentation printed on heavy glossy stock chock full of gorgeous prototype and layout color photos. At first I thought I would have limited interest in this publication as the West Virginia mountains of the BC&G is on the opposite end of the spectrum of my layout interest, The Newark and New York RR which runs through the downtown of the largest city in NJ. . The book is mostly about the BC&G and Brooks approach to modeling his favorite railroad with an extensive coverage of the history of the prototype and of his modeling of the prototype. But as I started to read it over, it did not take too long to realize that although the underlying thread is about modeling the BC&G, in reality it is about modeling any prototype railroad. As I read on, I discovered that Brook�s book is the thinking man�s guide to model railroading. His analysis of all aspects of building a layout is very easy to understand and follow. The book covers the philosophy of layout building, designing, modeling tips, operations and a section on layout photography. This book is not a step-by-step guide, but more of an overview with specific suggestions and recommendations. The interesting thing is that Brooks can discuss a modeling concept and weave that thought into how he used it for the BC&G. But, these concepts would work for any prototype. I think that this book belongs in all S Scaler�s library. First as a reference, second for your friends or visitors who need to see one of S Scales premier layout. For additional information or to get your copy of the best book on building an S Scale layout go to: http://www.buffalocreekandgauley.com/ Don Thompson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66548	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/12/2011
Subject: Early Challanger Reports - Not So Good

Hi All, So how are the Challangers working for you? I've read about three so far. One runs fine, one stalled until lubed and one is in for repairs due to wiring issues. 33% fail out-of-the-box????? Let's see how the fail rate runs once we have more sample points. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66549	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/12/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel Challenger

Sweet ride! I don't set too much store by most brand names, plus or minus. That thing is a beauty in my eyes. Now I just need to hit the Lotto. Drawing tonight! Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 11/11/2011 10:26 PM, carl@... wrote: > Here are some photos of my Challenger. > > http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2721001123/m/6882934917 > > More details later.... > > Carl > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66550	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/12/2011
Subject: Re: lionel challenger

Doug Peck said all nine roadnames were shipping. I have not yet received my UP 3985 version. Roy From: <clipper841@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 08:13:16 +0000 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] lionel challenger does anyone have the story of the balance of the challenger engines, according to lionel only, the two versions of the up engine are here, does anyone know when the balance of the other road engines are due in? looking for the wp veersion, but according to lionel this is sold out, but not available? thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66551	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/12/2011
Subject: Thanks for the Advice

To All My "S" Friends, Thank you very much for all the kind thoughts and advice that you have given me both on group and in private. I still have some questions for the doctor regarding "quality of life" issues. Once those are answered I will start the 6 month treatment. The meds alone are over $10,000 per month so thankfully I still have excellent health insurance and Obamacare hasn't kicked in yet. As far as the layout and collection go, many of you suggested I prepare an inventory of all my stuff. Fortunately I started an inventory the day I pulled my original set out of storage a little over 10 years ago. I currently have a little over 1,000 items in my inventory. Each item has a full description, manufacturer, model number, purchase price, seller name and list of repairs needed (if any). The only thing missing is current market value. I'll need to walk my wife through the list sometime to be sure she knows what is what. She helps a lot with the layout and goes to train shows with me so it should be a very fast learning curve for her. I'll wait until somewhere into the treatment process before deciding what to do with the layout. As some of you pointed out, what has taken years part time to build can be dismanlted and thrown in a dumpster is less that a weekend. So there is no real rush to decide what to do right now. I'll probably just keep adding some details along the way but not do anything major just yet. Again thanks for all the kind wishes! David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66552	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/12/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/13/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday November 13, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 4 minutes. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66553	From: Timboy	Date: 11/12/2011
Subject: Follow Me on Twitter

Hey Flyer Guys: You can follow me on Twitter @TimboyTim. I just tweeted the Radio Shack part numbers and URL for Chuck Smith's wiring diagram for converting AC to DC. Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66554	From: lumglum	Date: 11/13/2011
Subject: Problems with Challenger # 3985

But no big deal, Too much slack in wires going to rear truck, causing wires to get hooked on rear wheel flange... this was causing tender to derail in curves. Fix: Used a thin (26 gauge) wire to tie wires to draw bar. I really like this Engine especially the fire in the firebox, but it doesn't flicker.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66555	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/13/2011
Subject: Re: lionel challenger

ALL road names have begun to deliver, but not the entire shipment of any one road name. Not sure why. So far, about 1/3 of order arrived........another batch due this week.......and the rest in 2 weeks, I understand. <<<does anyone have the story of the balance of the challenger engines, according to lionel only, the two versions of the up engine are here, does anyone know when the balance of the other road engines are due in?>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66556	From: Dave	Date: 11/13/2011
Subject: 6 Wheel Universal Tender Truck Update

Well, we finally received our prototype 6 wheel (3 axle, no axle wipers needed) tender truck for pre-1966 hi-rail American Flyer steam engine & tender units. So far the testing is going along swimimgly. From the side view they appear simular to the original tender truck. From the front view & rear view totally different. The front view shows the end of the machined aluminum carrier block. More in line with the real thing. The rear view shows a HEAVY DUTY COUPLER DECK attach point. The couplers attach very simply, with a 4-40 screw. Total weight of each truck is just over 2 ounces which makes these trucks much less likely to derail which our testing is proving out to be correct in both forward and reverse. Each truck comes with our new studded insulation washer and attaching screw, YES THATS RIGHT, these trucks not only work under the HUDSON & NORTHERN tenders but also under the ATLANTIC tenders (great for kit bashers) due to the twin pivot point but attach with a 6/32 brass screw. "NO MORE RIVITING". Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66557	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/13/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/13/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday November 13, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66558	From: Dave	Date: 11/13/2011
Subject: 6 Wheel Truck Photos

We have posted, as requested, two photos of our new UNIVERSAL 6 WHEEL TENDER TRUCK at our album here at the group. To view please use the link below to view. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/list?order=ordinal All attach fittings and instructions come with each set of two as well as single truck purchases. The price is: Set of two (front truck no coupler tang and rear truck with coupler installed) $44.50. Single truck with coupler installed $24.99. PRICES INCLUDE SHIPPING VIA USPS PRIORITY MAIL. Please allow 10-14 days for delivery. These trucks will be avaliable at our web site beginning on 11-18-2011. Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66559	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 11/13/2011
Subject: Re: 6 Wheel Universal Tender Truck Update

> > > <<..YES THATS RIGHT, these trucks not only work under the HUDSON & > NORTHERN tenders but also under the ATLANTIC tenders (great for kit > bashers) due to the twin pivot point but attac h with a 6/32 brass > screw. "NO MORE RIVITING"...>> > Sounds like a great product I'm don't want to start any flame wars, but I have a legitimate question. Presuming you start with an Atlantic tender bash and use the six-wheel trucks, what prototypes are we looking at? Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66560	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 11/13/2011
Subject: Re: 6 Wheel Universal Tender Truck Update

Hi Dave: Looking forward to seeing some pictures of these on your site. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 11/13/2011 18:04, Dave wrote: > > Well, we finally received our prototype 6 wheel (3 axle, no axle > wipers needed) tender truck for pre-1966 hi-rail American Flyer steam > engine & tender units. So far the testing is going along swimimgly. > From the side view they appear simular to the original tender truck. > From the front view & rear view totally different. The front view > shows the end of the machined aluminum carrier block. More in line > with the real thing. The rear view shows a HEAVY DUTY COUPLER DECK > attach point. The couplers attach very simply, with a 4-40 screw. > Total weight of each truck is just over 2 ounces which makes these > trucks much less likely to derail which our testing is proving out to > be correct in both forward and reverse. Each truck comes with our new > studded insulation washer and attaching screw, YES THATS RIGHT, these > trucks not only work under the HUDSON & NORTHERN tenders but also > under the ATLANTIC tenders (great for kit bashers) due to the twin > pivot point but attach with a 6/32 brass screw. "NO MORE RIVITING". > > Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc > > > Re > <mailto:lbrenterprisesllc@...?subject=Re%3A%206%20Wheel%20Universal%20Tender%20Truck%20Update> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66561	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 11/13/2011
Subject: Re: 6 Wheel Universal Tender Truck Update

Good Evening Rance,      The photos are there now. Dave   --- On Sun, 11/13/11, Rance Velapoldi <rvelapoldi@...> wrote: From: Rance Velapoldi <rvelapoldi@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 6 Wheel Universal Tender Truck Update To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 13, 2011, 12:50 PM   Hi Dave: Looking forward to seeing some pictures of these on your site. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 11/13/2011 18:04, Dave wrote: > > Well, we finally received our prototype 6 wheel (3 axle, no axle > wipers needed) tender truck for pre-1966 hi-rail American Flyer steam > engine & tender units. So far the testing is going along swimimgly. > From the side view they appear simular to the original tender truck. > From the front view & rear view totally different. The front view > shows the end of the machined aluminum carrier block. More in line > with the real thing. The rear view shows a HEAVY DUTY COUPLER DECK > attach point. The couplers attach very simply, with a 4-40 screw. > Total weight of each truck is just over 2 ounces which makes these > trucks much less likely to derail which our testing is proving out to > be correct in both forward and reverse. Each truck comes with our new > studded insulation washer and attaching screw, YES THATS RIGHT, these > trucks not only work under the HUDSON & NORTHERN tenders but also > under the ATLANTIC tenders (great for kit bashers) due to the twin > pivot point but attach with a 6/32 brass screw. "NO MORE RIVITING". > > Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc > > > Re > <mailto:lbrenterprisesllc@...?subject=Re%3A%206%20Wheel%20Universal%20Tender%20Truck%20Update> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66562	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 11/13/2011
Subject: Re: 6 Wheel Universal Tender Truck Update

Brandy,      I believe Stumpy could answer that most effectively. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc   --- On Sun, 11/13/11, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: From: Brady Burdge <brady@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 6 Wheel Universal Tender Truck Update To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 13, 2011, 7:24 PM   > > > <<..YES THATS RIGHT, these trucks not only work under the HUDSON & > NORTHERN tenders but also under the ATLANTIC tenders (great for kit > bashers) due to the twin pivot point but attac h with a 6/32 brass > screw. "NO MORE RIVITING"...>> > Sounds like a great product I'm don't want to start any flame wars, but I have a legitimate question. Presuming you start with an Atlantic tender bash and use the six-wheel trucks, what prototypes are we looking at? Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66563	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 11/13/2011
Subject: American Flyer High-Speed Truc-Train Service

http://www.americanflyerlines.net/tructrain.html Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66564	From: Timboy	Date: 11/14/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer High-Speed Truc-Train Service

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: > > http://www.americanflyerlines.net/tructrain.html > > > Brady Burdge > Brady, What a pleasant treat to find this morning over a cup of coffee! Nice website. Video gems! Terrific idea for your Truc-Train Service. Now that's what I'm talkin' about! I need to put a car lot on my layout. Timboy Town needs some new cars! lol I've tweeted out your website and am showing a link on my blog to it. Bravo! Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66565	From: ekaplan707	Date: 11/14/2011
Subject: 80's MPC Era for sale

Pictures are available at your request. Please contact me off list at ekaplan@.... I am the original owner of the following items. The engines have never been run in only tested so they will need lub and a break-in period. Chessie GP20 and 6 Chessie car set from the 1980s-$200. All in mint condition with original boxes. Southern GP9 and 6 Southern car set from the 1980s-$180. All in mint condition with original boxes. B&O 6 car freight set from the PA engine set from the early 80s-$120. All in mint condition with original boxes. Southern Pacific passenger set-PA1 ABA plus four cars-$500. All in mint condition with original boxes. No set box. Shipping flat rate of $20 including insurance anywhere in the continental US per set. For multiple sets actual shipping cost. PayPal acceptable for payment and shipping will be same or next day. I believe these are fair prices but if your interested but want to make a counter offer please let me know. The worst I could say is no. Thank you for looking.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66566	From: Thorinn Marty	Date: 11/14/2011
Subject: Will, contact Thorin

Dear Will: I have lost your e-mail address so I cannot answer your question about Osgood-Bradley cars on the Cotton Belt. Obligatory S Scale content: I visited TrainFest in Milwaukee yesterday. There were three S Scale layouts. In one corner (SW) we had Ron Sclichts excellent American Flyer layout with lots of animation, people, and running accessories (plus two loops of trains). Thomas the Tank Engine was created by removing the pull-back mechanism and inserting a chopped Casey Jones. Thomas' coaches, Annabelle and Clara, are on top of AF tender frames providing. (Hmm. I have one of those pull-back Thomases.) And in that corner (SE) we have the DCC scale layout with two loops and at least three trains running on these two loops at all times. (When I left an AF K-5 was pulling a pure AF train. Although it was alone on its loop, I suspect it too is DCC.) They ran at least four SD-60s plus many Des Plaines hoppers. And in the other corner (actually against the wall beside Ron's layout) there was an excellent, scale Free-Mo point-to-point. Don Heimburger was there (as always). I finally broke down and purchased his circus train. Now I need two heavyweight passenger cars; one for the end of the circus train and one as the 'advance' car. How does this fit onto my 2011 railroad? The Great Circus Parade used to happen yearly in Milwaukee. The antique wagons were shipped from the Circus Museum in Barabo, WI to Milwaukee, in the open, on TTLX trailer flats. Often they would get a steam engine (with diesel controls) on the front. I can hope that someday it will happen again but they need a sponsor at about 2 million. A good time was had by all. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66567	From: rapidrail1	Date: 11/14/2011
Subject: New custom cars

I have begun to run out of ideas for new Christmas and other holiday cars. I have one of the new Lionel circus trains on order and thought I might make some new cars to go with that train. The first two of those cars are completed. One is a redecorated triple dome tank car to be used for water for the show. The second is a redecorated pikemaster ventilated boxcar used to carry the apples for the candy apples at the circus. The photos are in a new album called Wayne's Circus cars. I will be workin on more cars in the future and will post photos as they are completed, after the holidays. However, there is one more new Christmas car almost finished, a peppermint tank car. Artwork is done, and I'm just waiting for parts to finish the car. I will post photos of that car when done. Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66568	From: Brady	Date: 11/14/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer High-Speed Truc-Train Service

Timboy, Thanks for the compliments and the tweet, the more ideas we can circulate the more fun we can have with our toys. Take care, Brady

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66569	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 11/14/2011
Subject: American Flyer 23830 Piggyback Unloader - YouTube

I always wondered how these worked.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=G7zA7U3KHMI <http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=G7zA7U3KHMI> Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66570	From: jim_marski	Date: 11/14/2011
Subject: Rocky Mountain Toy Train Show

This is an informal invite to list members to attend the TCA Rocky Mountain Division's Rocky Mountain Toy Train Show in Denver Colorado Saturday and Sunday November 26th and 27th. This all scales show will be held at the Denver Merchandise Mart from 10 am to 5 pm both days. The show covers 120,000 square feet (that's 2-1/2 ACRES) and includes over 500 sales tables, 30 operating layouts, including three S, one of which will be my 1957 Dealer display and a ton of kids activities. There are hourly door prizes and parking is free. Santa will be there for this family friendly public event. Attendance last year was almost 7,000 and we expect many more due to extensive advertising including major newspapers, TV and 75 billboards throughout the metro Denver area. Registration is $8 for both days. More information can be found atwww.RockyMountainToyTrainShow.com Happy holidays, Jim Marski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66571	From: Timboy	Date: 11/15/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer 23830 Piggyback Unloader - YouTube

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: > > I always wondered how these worked.. > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=G7zA7U3KHMI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=G7zA7U3KHMI> > > > Brady Burdge > Me too. Now we know. Thanks for posting that vid. We need one! Unfortunately, I would have to convert mine to linker to run on my layout. Lol Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66572	From: Ray Puls	Date: 11/15/2011
Subject: Re: will contact Thorin

Good report on the Trainfest show Thorin, and I enjoyed our visit while attending to needs at Ron's layout. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66573	From: Dave	Date: 11/15/2011
Subject: 6 Wheel Tender Truck Listing

We have listed the NEW SIX (6) WHEEL UNIVERSAL TENDER TRUCK at our web site three days earlier than we had expected to. These trucks are very limited do to the fact that they are machined from aircraft grade aluminum and that takes some amount of time to produce and assemble. So, please allow 7-14 working days for delivery. PRICE: #TT6W-1, Single truck with coupler (includes instructions, attach hardware, shipping) - $24.50 ea. PRICE: #TT6W-2, Pair of trucks. One (1) with coupler & one (1) no coupler (includes instructions, attach hardware, shipping), $44.50 set Trucks may be viewed using the link below: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html Thank you all for your continuing support and SUPER IDEAS. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc 502-292-1872

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66574	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 11/15/2011
Subject: t-shirts with Engines

Hi all: I am looking for a place to get some t-shirts with engines on them for grandchildren (ages 2-5). Anybody know where I can order some and get them sent to an address in the US? No problem calling the store, ordering, and paying since our phone service here allows us to call the US free. Thanks for the info - I could google, but thought I would check first to see if anyone has a favorite hobby shop that has t-shirts with engines (or trains) on them. A little difficult to check stores from here. tx Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66575	From: R G	Date: 11/15/2011
Subject: Re: t-shirts with Engines

I know that the Strassburg Railroad in Pennsylvania has a nice gift shop as well as the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania accross the road.  All have a nice selection of t-shirts.  I was just there two weeks ago! ________________________________ From: Rance Velapoldi <rvelapoldi@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 9:41 AM Subject: [S-Trains] t-shirts with Engines   Hi all: I am looking for a place to get some t-shirts with engines on them for grandchildren (ages 2-5). Anybody know where I can order some and get them sent to an address in the US? No problem calling the store, ordering, and paying since our phone service here allows us to call the US free. Thanks for the info - I could google, but thought I would check first to see if anyone has a favorite hobby shop that has t-shirts with engines (or trains) on them. A little difficult to check stores from here. tx Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66576	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/15/2011
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] American Flyer 23830 Piggyback Unloader - YouTube

From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 2:08 PM To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [toytrains] American Flyer 23830 Piggyback Unloader - YouTube It’s been a week of hell for me, knee replacement done last Tuesday, but I had to response to Brady’s email about the Piggyback unloader. The unit only came with two truck trailers not 4, just in case any one thought that. But that great to see, so now I will get two more trailers so that the previous delivered trailers can be pushed down and unloaded. Now you know why things take for ever in getting delivered, as this is really how it is done in real life. Mike From: Brady Burdge Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 8:54 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [toytrains] American Flyer 23830 Piggyback Unloader - YouTube I always wondered how these worked.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=G7zA7U3KHMI <http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=G7zA7U3KHMI> Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66577	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 11/15/2011
Subject: Re: t-shirts with Engines

Rance, you can try Schrader's in Michigan. Their # is 800-842-4828. They have a number of childrens t shirts.   Bob ________________________________ From: Rance Velapoldi <rvelapoldi@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 9:41 AM Subject: [S-Trains] t-shirts with Engines   Hi all: I am looking for a place to get some t-shirts with engines on them for grandchildren (ages 2-5). Anybody know where I can order some and get them sent to an address in the US? No problem calling the store, ordering, and paying since our phone service here allows us to call the US free. Thanks for the info - I could google, but thought I would check first to see if anyone has a favorite hobby shop that has t-shirts with engines (or trains) on them. A little difficult to check stores from here. tx Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66578	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/15/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer 23830 Piggyback Unloader - YouTube

Brady, I've got an Action Item on my To-Do List to automate the loading arm on my piggyback unloader. I'm not too fond of having to depend on the big hand in the sky to re-load the flat car - lol. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: > > I always wondered how these worked.. > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=G7zA7U3KHMI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=G7zA7U3KHMI> > > > Brady Burdge >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66579	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/15/2011
Subject: Six Wheel Trucks

These are handy for a number of uses beyond tender trucks. As far as a prototype six wheel trucked tender for an Atlantic, I can't say that I've ever seen one. However, many railroads swapped tenders more often than we kit bashers do! As water towers and columns were removed during dieselization, many roads equipped engines with bigger tenders than normal so that steam could still operate into areas where water was hard to come by. Oddly, on many Class One roads, small engines survived long after the bigger ones were cut up because they could handle lightly laid track and weak bridges the newer, larger engines could not. Many smaller locos got huge tenders for this purpose. Equipping the common Flyer plastic tender with six wheel trucks would not be unusual as they are a somewhat generic USRA looking unit. Many Pacifics and larger locos pulled six wheel tenders, while with Hudsons and Northerns six wheel tenders were common. By stretching the plastic tender, enlarging the coal bunker, and mounting six wheel trucks, the common plastic tender becomes an excellent and unique replacement for the tenders behind K5, Hudson, and Northern locos. Parts for such a conversion are listed by LBR, making this project much easier than doing all the modifications yourself. Beside tenders, you might "upgrade" the New Haven style baggage cars to six wheel trucks to better match your Standard "Heavyweight" passenger cars. Or you can make your own heavy duty flatcars with six wheel trucks. You could cut down a junk box caboose and make a six wheel "bobber" caboose with one truck under it, and make a "Scale Test" car using the other truck. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66580	From: johntech	Date: 11/15/2011
Subject: Baldwin "critter" updates

Here are a couple more pictures showing the knuckle coupler extension and the extension with the 2nd set of power pickups. I have 4 power pickups under 1 Baldwin truck. I can make it creep over and American Models switch (with a plastic frog) and not mis a beat. Once I get all the steps to convert a full Baldwin over to this critter written up, I will post it for all to have. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1763154488/pic/list

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66581	From: steve	Date: 11/15/2011
Subject: wanted: af northern pacific set

Hi folks, I'm interested in purchasing a nice northern pacific set for my dad's 60th birthday. Please pm me if you have a set you would part with. Include pictures and price. Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66582	From: Alan and Sherry Bennett	Date: 11/15/2011
Subject: Re: t-shirts with Engines

Hello Rance, In addition to the excellent suggestions you already have received, might I suggest the California State Railroad Museum Store? Here is a link to the Museum Store section of their website, but having been there many times before, I can tell you that there are many more t-shirts and children's items than are featured on the site: https://www.csrmf.org/store/ So I suggest you give them a call and tell them what you are looking for. The internet is a wonderful thing for bringing together toy train hobbyists from all over the world. I just received three gorgeous, reprinted vintage New Zealand railroad posters I bought from Adrian Phillips in Christchurch, NZ on my laptop sitting in my home in Oregon. Cheers! Alan Bennett Keizer, OR USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Rance Velapoldi To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:41 AM Subject: [S-Trains] t-shirts with Engines Hi all: I am looking for a place to get some t-shirts with engines on them for grandchildren (ages 2-5). Anybody know where I can order some and get them sent to an address in the US? No problem calling the store, ordering, and paying since our phone service here allows us to call the US free. Thanks for the info - I could google, but thought I would check first to see if anyone has a favorite hobby shop that has t-shirts with engines (or trains) on them. A little difficult to check stores from here. tx Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66583	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 11/16/2011
Subject: t-shirts

Hi all: Thanks for the suggestions and websites of trains on clothing! I have looked at most and will call some to see if they have t-shirts/sweatshirts for 2-5 year olds. regards, Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66584	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/16/2011
Subject: American Flyer 23830 Piggyback Unloader...

If anyone is looking for one of these, I have one with a nice original box that is beautiful and for sale. Contact me off list Steve SnS Trains I always wondered how these worked.. _http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=G7zA7U3KHMI_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=G7zA7U3KHMI) <_http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=G7zA7U3KHMI_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=G7zA7U3KHMI) > Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66585	From: Doug Peck	Date: 11/16/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer 23830 Piggyback Unloader - YouTube

Actually, I've seen that done using the pneumatic air control system (the old Del-Aire, or EZ-Aire systems). BTW....pneumatic air components are now available again. Details on our home page. <<<I've got an Action Item on my To-Do List to automate the loading arm on my piggyback unloader. I'm not too fond of having to depend on the big hand in the sky to re-load the flat car>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66586	From: clayton	Date: 11/16/2011
Subject: Some time back one of you was in England on a trip....

Hi, I'm going in to Leeds to catch a train to York to see the train museum on Sunday. I will be taking some photos. Any one want to add to my quest? Also, a big hello to my friend down under - Alister... Scott D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66587	From: sgaugian	Date: 11/16/2011
Subject: My new AF UP Gray Challenger

I hope everyone else has better luck with their new Challenger than I did (Gray UP). It was a complete and total LEMON. It jack rabbit started and ran forward about 3 feet when I barely turned the Cab2 red knob. It then went backward for a second and suddenly full-throttle by itself, hit a curve, and tipped over even though again the Cab2 red knob had been turned only slightly. From then on it blew a fuse (7A fast-blow) at about 7.5VAC every time I tried to power it up. After 4 fuses and different locations on the layout I quit. It was a complete and total certifiable DOA dud. How disappointing too for an otherwise great looking, expensive, and much awaited engine to be such a piece of junk. I sent it back to my dealer. Not for repairs and there are no replacements. I'm done with Flyonel engines for awhile. I cancelled my order for a EL U33C while I was at it. I have been faithful about buying new TMCC and Legacy engines and sets from Lionel and patient with the fact that all but one has eventually required something get fixed (smoke unit, chuff switch, RailSounds, marker lights, etc.), but none have been a complete and total failure from the start like this Challenger. Inexcusable. Maybe they'll improve later releases like their Mikados and Pacifics which received refinements along the way. Time will tell now. At least for me. Enjoy yours. I hope it runs well and does so for a long time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66588	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/16/2011
Subject: Fw: Lionel's Warranty - A Gotcha......

From a O gauge friend. Mike From: Wjzwjz@... Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:04 AM To: mlmarmer@... Subject: Lionel's Warranty - A Gotcha...... Mike, Here is something regarding Lionel's warranty on new products that I did not know. In essence, the warranty period is for up to 3 years beyond the date of manufacture. If one buys the item from an authorized dealer beyond the 3 year interval, there is no factory warranty! Details are below...... Lionel has a 3 year period of available warranty. At the end of year 3, the warranty time expires - PERIOD! Lionel's consumer warranty is one year from date of purchase (from an authorized Lionel Dealer) providing the item was manufactured in the last 3 years. The warranty does not say anything about Catalog Dates, only Manufacturing Dates! Lionel explains their warranty with an example that is accurate as to how it is exactly written. While the original purchaser has the ability to have a one year warranty, it must be purchased within the first two years of manufacture for it to happen. If the original purchaser buys his product within year 3, the item will have a warranty period of less than one year. Lionel does not openly print this information on the outside of the box and they do not specify the exact expiration of warranty. All it would take is an additional label. -- Bill Zide "Not Everything that counts can be counted and not everything that can be counted counts" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66589	From: john isn't eddie anymore	Date: 11/16/2011
Subject: Re: My new AF UP Gray Challenger

Was the Command Base connected to a grounded outlet, without an adaptor? This sounds exactly like what happened to one of my CAB-1 locos once, when I was setting up on the floor and got lazy..used the adaptor, didn't attach its wire to the outlet plate screw.  That'll never happen again!- John Marganski ________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66590	From: David White	Date: 11/16/2011
Subject: Re: wanted: af northern pacific set

Hi Steve, I have a new in the box AA and 5 cars set  . I  only had the AA power and dummy on the tracks to test them . Had a short caused by the dummy unit, removed the shell and found a wire that was pinched bare when they installed the unit. This wire was pinched between the frame and the shell. A little electric tape and reinstaled the shell and ran OK a couple times around the layout. Thats all they have been run. I have the 1st B unit, the dining car, all new in the box. I also have a extra coach I bought off eBay, also like new in the box. I would ask $600.00 for the AA and 5 car set in orignal set box. If you buy these I would sell the B unit, the dining car, and the extra coach for $100.00 more. $700.00 for the whole train. Dave. --- On Tue, 11/15/11, steve <notdavidspade@...> wrote: From: steve <notdavidspade@...> Subject: [S-Trains] wanted: af northern pacific set To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 15, 2011, 9:53 PM   Hi folks, I'm interested in purchasing a nice northern pacific set for my dad's 60th birthday. Please pm me if you have a set you would part with. Include pictures and price. Thanks! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66591	From: Jerry	Date: 11/16/2011
Subject: Re: My new AF UP Gray Challenger

This is exactly why I wish Lionel would offer their engines, as an option, without the electronic stuff. Just a simple reverse unit, and MAYBE a bell and horn/whistle. It would cut at least $100 from the cost, be more reliable, more easily repairable, and perhaps more people would buy them. I have a U33C on order, and will probably remove the TMCC (or whatever they call it) and replace it with a simple Dalee unit. And to think, there's speculation that the reason for the delays of these locomotives is due to Lionel having to find room for all those electronics.... Jerry Firm Believer in the KISS Principle --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > > I hope everyone else has better luck with their new Challenger than I > did (Gray UP). It was a complete and total LEMON. It jack rabbit > started and ran forward about 3 feet when I barely turned the Cab2 red > knob. It then went backward for a second and suddenly full-throttle by > itself, hit a curve, and tipped over even though again the Cab2 red knob > had been turned only slightly. From then on it blew a fuse (7A > fast-blow) at about 7.5VAC every time I tried to power it up. After 4 > fuses and different locations on the layout I quit. It was a complete > and total certifiable DOA dud. How disappointing too for an otherwise > great looking, expensive, and much awaited engine to be such a piece of > junk. I sent it back to my dealer. Not for repairs and there are no > replacements. I'm done with Flyonel engines for awhile. I cancelled my > order for a EL U33C while I was at it. I have been faithful about > buying new TMCC and Legacy engines and sets from Lionel and patient with > the fact that all but one has eventually required something get fixed > (smoke unit, chuff switch, RailSounds, marker lights, etc.), but none > have been a complete and total failure from the start like this > Challenger. Inexcusable. Maybe they'll improve later releases like > their Mikados and Pacifics which received refinements along the way. > Time will tell now. At least for me. Enjoy yours. I hope it runs well > and does so for a long time. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66592	From: Bob C	Date: 11/16/2011
Subject: High Desert (CA) Layouts Needed For Layout Tour #29

If you have an operating layout in the high desert area around Apple Valley, Hesperia, Victorville or Adelanto, CA, we'd like to have your layout on Layout Tour #29. This will take place on Saturday, February 25. This will be a free, self-guided tour. If you have a layout and may be interested in participating in the layout tour or have any questions before committing to the tour, please contact me in the next week or so. If you know of a layout owner who may be interested, also please contact me or pass this message on to them. Contact me OFF LIST at: thecitrusbelt@... Bob Chaparro Moderator Model Railroads Of Southern California http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_Railroads_Of_Southern_California/ P.S.: Layouts also are needed for three Orange County tours being planned for April and May 2012 and two San Diego County tours being planned for Summer 2012.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66593	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/16/2011
Subject: LLDD

Hmmm - just reading today's posts and it look like LLDD - Lousy Lionel Different Day. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66594	From: Timboy	Date: 11/16/2011
Subject: My New Yard Is Maturing

Flyer Guys: I would say that my new yard is pretty well completed. I couldn't stand the thought of harvesting (stealing) more "obtanium" material to process down to track ballast. Instead, I sucked up some excess ballast from all around my layout and I used it to ballast the yard track. Worked out! My new yard is very functional. I can build up and tear down a train quite well. I have a rudimentary freight car forwarding system, but I'm mulling over how to make it more usable. Seems kinda dumb to set out a gondola or box car, pretend to either load or unload it and then pick it up later. I'll leave that to the guys who operate the lesser gauges. lol So now I'm thinking of selling off all my static cars (yeah, all five of them - lol) and getting more action cars for this RR. I figure I could load and unload action cars at the various sites and my freight car forwarding system would actually make sense. That should motivate me to add 3 - 4 - 5 more sidings for set-out, loading/unloading and pick-up. I don't know of any other Flyer Guy who operates all action cars exclusively. Seems like a unique fit for a unique layout. Here is a link to my new yard: http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot...-maturing.html Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66595	From: sgaugian	Date: 11/16/2011
Subject: Re: My new AF UP Gray Challenger

Good suggestion John, but not the case here. The command base is on its own grounded outlet. This is a layout that's been through the TMCC and Legacy wringer for the past 6 years and on which Big Boys, Mikados, Pacifics, and TMCC converted GG1's, Docksiders, PAs, Geeps, and an SHS 2-8-0 have been and are run without issue. This Challenger was simply not ready for anything, but sitting on a shelf or playing the role of a paper weight. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, john isn't eddie anymore <druvnik@...> wrote: > > Was the Command Base connected to a grounded outlet, without an adaptor? This sounds exactly like what happened to one of my CAB-1 locos once, when I was setting up on the floor and got lazy..used the adaptor, didn't attach its wire to the outlet plate screw. That'll never happen again!- John Marganski >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66596	From: barb	Date: 11/16/2011
Subject: 23830 Piggyback Unloader - YouTube

Hey Bull, When you get the loading arm automated, make me one or send me directions on how you automated it!!! Thanks.... Barb Re: American Flyer 23830 Piggyback Unloader - YouTube Posted by: "bull_gator_1" bull_gator_1@... bull_gator_1 Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:46 pm (PST) Brady, I've got an Action Item on my To-Do List to automate the loading arm on my piggyback unloader. I'm not too fond of having to depend on the big hand in the sky to re-load the flat car - lol. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: > > I always wondered how these worked.. > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=G7zA7U3KHMI > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=G7zA7U3KHMI> > > > Brady Burdge >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66597	From: R G	Date: 11/17/2011
Subject: Re: My new AF UP Gray Challenger

Sorry to here about your Challenger.  I order and receive two challengers.  One was perfect, and the other needed repair to correct too tight of a wire that was causing the rail sound chug to cut out when the locomotive went into a curve.  I agree that offering locomotives without all of the new electronics should be an option that Lionel considers.  Talking to my local hobby shop and they are a Lionel authorize service center, the same issues exsist with the O scale offerings. ________________________________ From: Jerry <poniaj@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 7:09 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: My new AF UP Gray Challenger   This is exactly why I wish Lionel would offer their engines, as an option, without the electronic stuff. Just a simple reverse unit, and MAYBE a bell and horn/whistle. It would cut at least $100 from the cost, be more reliable, more easily repairable, and perhaps more people would buy them. I have a U33C on order, and will probably remove the TMCC (or whatever they call it) and replace it with a simple Dalee unit. And to think, there's speculation that the reason for the delays of these locomotives is due to Lionel having to find room for all those electronics.... Jerry Firm Believer in the KISS Principle --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > > I hope everyone else has better luck with their new Challenger than I > did (Gray UP). It was a complete and total LEMON. It jack rabbit > started and ran forward about 3 feet when I barely turned the Cab2 red > knob. It then went backward for a second and suddenly full-throttle by > itself, hit a curve, and tipped over even though again the Cab2 red knob > had been turned only slightly. From then on it blew a fuse (7A > fast-blow) at about 7.5VAC every time I tried to power it up. After 4 > fuses and different locations on the layout I quit. It was a complete > and total certifiable DOA dud. How disappointing too for an otherwise > great looking, expensive, and much awaited engine to be such a piece of > junk. I sent it back to my dealer. Not for repairs and there are no > replacements. I'm done with Flyonel engines for awhile. I cancelled my > order for a EL U33C while I was at it. I have been faithful about > buying new TMCC and Legacy engines and sets from Lionel and patient with > the fact that all but one has eventually required something get fixed > (smoke unit, chuff switch, RailSounds, marker lights, etc.), but none > have been a complete and total failure from the start like this > Challenger. Inexcusable. Maybe they'll improve later releases like > their Mikados and Pacifics which received refinements along the way. > Time will tell now. At least for me. Enjoy yours. I hope it runs well > and does so for a long time. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66598	From: Eric	Date: 11/17/2011
Subject: For Sale Locomotives

Due to some people bailing on me, I still have these locos for sale. Lionel-Flyer Union Pacific Mikado. This is basically new in the box. I don't think it has ever been run. $490.00 shipping to USA included. American Models 4-8-4 Northern painted for Burlington High rail DC powered. $350, Ship included to USA. Let me know off list if you are interested, thanks Paypal, Postal MO's, Checks work. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66599	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/17/2011
Subject: My new yard is maturing

Tim and all; As you know, in most dispatching methods you have to imagine the cars are loaded or empty, and dispatch accordingly. That's not so bad with a tank car, where the loaded or empty car looks the same, but flatcars, hoppers, and gondolas are pretty obvious. To be realistic, you are limited to box cars, reefers, covered hoppers, and tank cars. Another dispatching "dodge" was created by the "loads in-empties out" dual purpose scenery/structure designs. A coal mine is placed on one side of the central ridge and a power plant on the other, with two tracks running straight through the "mountain." This way, the same empty cars and loaded cars can be exchanged endlessly by being switched from one side of the hill around the layout to the other. The other altrnative, as Tim suggests, is using "action" cars. This is rare on most scale model layouts because the loading or unloading accessories are usually so out of scale. But "toy" train folks have done it for years. The problem usually is that you still end up with limitations for loading and unloading because every car which is loaded by an accessory has to be unloaded by another accessory. There has to be a place for each on the layout, and they must operate reliably every time. This can be lots of fun, but now you have to spend the time, money, and effort to operate and maintain an "action" car and TWO accessories to match it. A layout big enough to handle every type of car being accessory loaded and unloaded would be quite large and expensive. To limit costs and maintenance, you might limit your ralroad to a single industry such as logging, with logs being loaded at one point and rolled off at another. Or perahps "coal" being loaded and then dumped. Of course, the problem here would be that you'd want to run dedicated log or coal trains with lots of these "action" cars, not cheap in itself! And so, no foolproof or easy solution to a "realistic" dispatching problem to suit everyone has yet appeared. And there have been a LOT of attempts over the years! They all still rely on some use of imagination. But, in the end, playing with trains is a use of imagination, and is that so bad after all? Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66600	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/17/2011
Subject: Re: My new yard is maturing

Hi Stump and Tim, I like car ferries. Maybe because I have visited the Straits of Mackinac so often. With a car ferry, any sort of car can go on or come off. The destination for the boat ride could be just about anywhere. A couple of tracks for inbound and outbound ferry loads and you are set. The ferry can be a complex model or a simple barge. The waterway can be on the layout or on a cart that pushes up to the edge. I suppose we could have two docks at opposite ends of a run and be a (heh heh) bridge route. Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 11/17/2011 1:04 PM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > Tim and all; As you know, in most dispatching methods you have to imagine the cars are loaded or empty, and dispatch accordingly. That's not so bad with a tank car, where the loaded or empty car looks the same, but flatcars, hoppers, and gondolas are pretty obvious. To be realistic, you are limited to box cars, reefers, covered hoppers, and tank cars. > Another dispatching "dodge" was created by the "loads in-empties out" dual purpose scenery/structure designs. A coal mine is placed on one side of the central ridge and a power plant on the other, with two tracks running straight through the "mountain." This way, the same empty cars and loaded cars can be exchanged endlessly by being switched from one side of the hill around the layout to the other. > The other altrnative, as Tim suggests, is using "action" cars. This is rare on most scale model layouts because the loading or unloading accessories are usually so out of scale. But "toy" train folks have done it for years. > The problem usually is that you still end up with limitations for loading and unloading because every car which is loaded by an accessory has to be unloaded by another accessory. There has to be a place for each on the layout, and they must operate reliably every time. > This can be lots of fun, but now you have to spend the time, money, and effort to operate and maintain an "action" car and TWO accessories to match it. A layout big enough to handle every type of car being accessory loaded and unloaded would be quite large and expensive. > To limit costs and maintenance, you might limit your ralroad to a single industry such as logging, with logs being loaded at one point and rolled off at another. Or perahps "coal" being loaded and then dumped. Of course, the problem here would be that you'd want to run dedicated log or coal trains with lots of these "action" cars, not cheap in itself! > And so, no foolproof or easy solution to a "realistic" dispatching problem to suit everyone has yet appeared. And there have been a LOT of attempts over the years! They all still rely on some use of imagination. But, in the end, playing with trains is a use of imagination, and is that so bad after all? > Stumpy in Ahia > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66601	From: Timboy	Date: 11/17/2011
Subject: Re: My new yard is maturing

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Tim and all; As you know, in most dispatching methods you have to imagine the cars are loaded or empty, and dispatch accordingly. That's not so bad with a tank car, where the loaded or empty car looks the same, but flatcars, hoppers, and gondolas are pretty obvious. To be realistic, you are limited to box cars, reefers, covered hoppers, and tank cars. > Another dispatching "dodge" was created by the "loads in-empties out" dual purpose scenery/structure designs. A coal mine is placed on one side of the central ridge and a power plant on the other, with two tracks running straight through the "mountain." This way, the same empty cars and loaded cars can be exchanged endlessly by being switched from one side of the hill around the layout to the other. > The other altrnative, as Tim suggests, is using "action" cars. This is rare on most scale model layouts because the loading or unloading accessories are usually so out of scale. But "toy" train folks have done it for years. > The problem usually is that you still end up with limitations for loading and unloading because every car which is loaded by an accessory has to be unloaded by another accessory. There has to be a place for each on the layout, and they must operate reliably every time. > This can be lots of fun, but now you have to spend the time, money, and effort to operate and maintain an "action" car and TWO accessories to match it. A layout big enough to handle every type of car being accessory loaded and unloaded would be quite large and expensive. > To limit costs and maintenance, you might limit your ralroad to a single industry such as logging, with logs being loaded at one point and rolled off at another. Or perahps "coal" being loaded and then dumped. Of course, the problem here would be that you'd want to run dedicated log or coal trains with lots of these "action" cars, not cheap in itself! > And so, no foolproof or easy solution to a "realistic" dispatching problem to suit everyone has yet appeared. And there have been a LOT of attempts over the years! They all still rely on some use of imagination. But, in the end, playing with trains is a use of imagination, and is that so bad after all? > Stumpy in Ahia > Stumpy Thanks for your well-thought out and well-written information on dispatching model RR cars. I appreciate it. Let me fully elaborate on what I am in the process of doing. I chose an all linker genre because I like the look of the trucks more than the sintered knuckle trucks and more importantly, I can get the action cars I want at a fraction of the cost of their knuckle counterparts. So I have the cost issue solved – at least for the size consists I'll be dispatching on my branch line and that is key. I grew up along a branch line and saw small steamers lugging consists of maybe four or five cars around. Perfect! I'll keep my own consists to around 4-5 cars as well. I can always repaint and/or repurpose vintage action cars to add to my fleet. For example, it would be very simple for me to change a 734 Operating Boxcar into a "773" Gilbert's Operating Milk Car. Then I have two unloading boxcars. The Package Loader can theoretically load those operating cars. We both know that many of the accessories, Package Loader included, require help from that big hand in the sky. I'm okay with that. They are toy trains. I should be able to take a Log Unloading Car and load logs up from my Log Loader, then dump them off at my Sawmill (okay, I don't have one yet – it's on my list), then use that same car to pick up dimensional lumber from the Sawmill and deliver it to – say, Jonesy's Farm; for whatever Jonesy wants to do with it. Granted, the use of that car to haul dimensional lumber is unrealistic and yet real RR's sometimes must use their assets in non-typical ways. Lol I can load freshly mined M&M's from my M&M Mine into a Side Dump Car (again, unrealistic – but novel) and unload them at Timboy Town for all the children. One car's worth should be plenty to drive the parent's nuts! I can use that same Side Dump Car to illegally back-haul (shhhhhhhhh! Don't report me!) a load of scrap from the Crane at my Flyer Junk Yard and dump that off at a yet-to-be-built family foundry. OR, I could repaint a Side Dump Car to the M&M color scheme (I kinda like that) and just haul it back to the mine empty. I could use an original Side Dump Car for the scrap. As you pointed out, I could also set out a tanker or two for "loading" or "unloading", then pick them up and shuttle them around. I already have an Operating Stock Yard. They are very cheap these days. I have the space to place one at Jonesy's Farm and buy another one for placement at a yet-to-be-built slaughterhouse. And so it goes for the Drum Loader as well; load `em up in a CB&Q Dump Car at night and dump them off over a bridge at a pond that is an illegal toxic waste dump. I don't think it will be expensive at all for me – doing it as I have described. Now, if one were to make up a realistic 100-car mainliner and insist on absolute realism – THAT'S a whole `nother story! My huge Flyer layout is already built. All I have to do is add 3-4-5 more stubs and/or through sidings and scratch-build the appropriate buildings, etc. I can simplify it to just capture the essence of the industries. That's how I see me progressing with my layout. I still maintain that it will be unique to run a Flyer layout this way. Although plenty of us use accessories and action cars, I don't know of anyone else whose current Flyer layout is driven by them to the extent that I am building. The only one I can think of was the Mike Kolleseus' layout and it's been torn down for years now. Realistic? Heck no! Fun? Heck yes! Triple lol. -Timboy, in Flyer La-La Land

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66602	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 11/17/2011
Subject: Challenger Brief Review page

Here is a link to a brief review of the new Challenger. http://www.tuveson.com/challenger/review_of_the_challenger.htm Carl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66603	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 11/17/2011
Subject: Large layouts (was: My new yard is maturing)

<<...I don't know of anyone else whose current Flyer layout is driven by them to the extent that I am building. The only one I can think of was the Mike Kolleseus' layout and it's been torn down for years now...>> Does anyone know of any other large Flyer (or S scale) layouts out there that are under construction? Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66604	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 11/17/2011
Subject: Re: My New Yard Is Maturing

Timboy, There was an article in the TTOS Bulletin a few years back on a unique operating system. Each track in the yard was designated for a specific town or location. Once that track is full a caboose is added and the train is dispatched. Each freight car has a waybill with the list of industries/locations, and when a car is bumped (by another car slated for the same location) the paperclip on the waybill is slid down to the next location and the car is moved. I suppose you could move the cars directly to the next location, or back to the yard first for classification and later dispatch. The system may have fed cars from a staging yard, but it sounds like it would work on a "closed" layout. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66605	From: Robert Conner	Date: 11/18/2011
Subject: Re: Large layouts (was: My new yard is maturing)

Brady.... There is one on the Second floor of a building about 3 miles from my home..... Realllly nice.... Loaded with trains all around the wall.... It has a train set yard under the layout where about 10 trains made up can set.... throw the switch and on to the main line!!!!!..... It is about 40' x 60'.... As many as 5 - 6 trains can run at once..... Long runs, Yards, Disney, Cities, Etc..... Bob Conner --- On Thu, 11/17/11, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: From: Brady Burdge <brady@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Large layouts (was: My new yard is maturing) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 17, 2011, 10:13 PM   <<...I don't know of anyone else whose current Flyer layout is driven by them to the extent that I am building. The only one I can think of was the Mike Kolleseus' layout and it's been torn down for years now...>> Does anyone know of any other large Flyer (or S scale) layouts out there that are under construction? Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66606	From: pab11147	Date: 11/18/2011
Subject: Power question

I am powering one of my trains on an AF 18 b. When I initially power it on, the train moves very slowly at full power (120 mph). After a few minutes , however, the train will be riunning at full speed. It behaves like it's taking 2-3 minutes to charge the track or for the transformer itself to build up to capacity. (I suspect the latter. )I know little about electricity, so I am stumped. Any ideas out there as to what causes this phenomena ?? Thanks ! Paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66607	From: David	Date: 11/18/2011
Subject: Generic Propane Tanks

Coming soon to our site and also avaliable from the manfacturer "GENERIC PROPANE TANKS". These tanks come with the saddle support to install them on your AF #625/925 tank car frames. Nothing to do but dress them up the way you want them. Tentative price is $19.95 for two which includes shipping via USPS in CONUS. We will have photos at a later date here in our album. Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66608	From: R G	Date: 11/18/2011
Subject: Re: Power question

It sounds like the problem is with the locomotive not the transformer.Sluggish locomotives that work better afte they have warmed up sounds like a dirt, dried lubrication issue.  I would do a complete cleaning and lubing of the locomotive.  Replace the motor brushes and possibly the fingers on the mechanical reverse unit.  Clean the rotor on the reverse unit as well as all pick up wheels.  Make sure the all the washers are on the motor drive shaft.  and lubricate with high quality greese and oils suited for model locomotives. ________________________________ From: pab11147 <pab1147@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:57 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Power question   I am powering one of my trains on an AF 18 b. When I initially power it on, the train moves very slowly at full power (120 mph). After a few minutes , however, the train will be riunning at full speed. It behaves like it's taking 2-3 minutes to charge the track or for the transformer itself to build up to capacity. (I suspect the latter. )I know little about electricity, so I am stumped. Any ideas out there as to what causes this phenomena ?? Thanks ! Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66609	From: Timboy	Date: 11/18/2011
Subject: Re: My New Yard Is Maturing

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: > > Timboy, > > There was an article in the TTOS Bulletin a few years back on a unique > operating system. Each track in the yard was designated for a specific > town or location. Once that track is full a caboose is added and the > train is dispatched. Each freight car has a waybill with the list of > industries/locations, and when a car is bumped (by another car slated > for the same location) the paperclip on the waybill is slid down to the > next location and the car is moved. I suppose you could move the cars > directly to the next location, or back to the yard first for > classification and later dispatch. > > The system may have fed cars from a staging yard, but it sounds like it > would work on a "closed" layout. > > > Brady Burdge > Brady, Thanks for the info! I think that could work. One thing I neglected to mention was that my operating sessions will probably last less than one hour each. In between op sessions, the accessories get reloaded, the cars either unloaded or loaded and either spotted or placed in the yard. The card deck gets reshuffled and a few non-operating cars are placed in the yard as well. Then it's just a matter of deciding how many operating cars I want to run for the next session; a few or all. At the beginning of the next session, the cards are drawn, the train is assembled by the yard goat, a branch line loco assigned and the train dispatched. It sounded to me as though Stumpy's operating sessions mirrored real RR operations, in that they never end. -Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66610	From: R G	Date: 11/18/2011
Subject: Re: Challenger Brief Review page

Thanks Carl.  I have notice on my Challenger thae the two motors run much better than the Big Boy since they both have cruise control. I would definately say even with the electrical problems that I and others have had that this locomotive is a winner. ________________________________ From: "carl@..." <carl@...> To: STrains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Challenger Brief Review page   Here is a link to a brief review of the new Challenger. http://www.tuveson.com/challenger/review_of_the_challenger.htm Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66611	From: rick gough	Date: 11/18/2011
Subject: Re: Power question

It's not unusual for locomotives, and most diesels it seems, to need a warm up period before they reach maximum performance. Have you run only the one steamer on this track? And does anyone have a reason for the need to 'warm up'? rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66612	From: Al Baker	Date: 11/18/2011
Subject: Cancel: Flyonel 6-48144 Baldwin on DC????

Found the answer in the manual - NO!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66613	From: Al Baker	Date: 11/18/2011
Subject: Flyonel Balwin Switcher 6-48144 on DC??

I just received one of these NIB. It looks and runs quite good. And it is listed as AC powered. Question: Can this be run on DC like the original American Flyer locos? There is no sound, but there is directional headlights. Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66614	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 11/18/2011
Subject: Re: Flyonel Balwin Switcher 6-48144 on DC??

Except for some models over a couple of years all Flyer locos were AC! Alistair On Sat 19/11/11 9:04 AM , "Al Baker" albaker33@... sent: I just received one of these NIB. It looks and runs quite good. And it is listed as AC powered. Question: Can this be run on DC like the original American Flyer locos? There is no sound, but there is directional headlights. Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66615	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/18/2011
Subject: My new yard is maturing

You guys have a good system figured out for using accessories. Go for it. Yes, I'm "old school" following prototype practice (up to a point) as we did when I was in HO. I no longer do layouts for "operations." If I want to do that I get on the computer an run my Trainz Simulator. I run trains in S and On30 mostly for the fun of watching them these days, building smaller, simpler, and more reliable layouts. In fact we're doing On30 at the Wheeling, WV. Train Show this weekend. The small layout was originally designed for limited operation, but is mostly just going around and around at shows. The bottom line is have fun! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66616	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 11/18/2011
Subject: They're not just for passenger trans..

A prototype for pulling freight with your warbonnets.. http://www.godfatherrails.com/photos/pv.asp?pid=1632 http://www.godfatherrails.com/photos/pv.asp?pid=1635 Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66617	From: barb	Date: 11/19/2011
Subject: Large Layouts under construction

Hey Brady, What is your definition of a "large" layout? I consider mine "not small" @ 360 sq. ft. And it's all trains except for two pop-ups. Barb Does anyone know of any other large Flyer (or S scale) layouts out there that are under construction? Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66618	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/19/2011
Subject: Power question

As you know, I rebuild junk box stuff, and install DC can motors in them. You would not believe what I sometimes find while doing a tear down and cleaning of the chassis of some of these old locomotives! While the old Gilbert maintenance kits supplied some pretty decent oil and lubricants of the day, it seems that many owners never heard the phrase "use in moderation." Petroleum based lubricants are a magnet for all kinds of dirt, which solidifies over fifty years. I have had to use a screwdriver to dig crud out of gearboxes. This black cement probably had something to do with why the engine ended up in the junk box rather than running a long life! Another thing I often find that certainly messed up motors and reverse units is hairs of steel wool, no doubt used to clean the track at some point. Probably another reason the loco is in a junk box. "Warming up" a loco probably helps semi liquify the crud and grease build up, but isn't helping the motor a bit to endure long life. However, even a clean chassis and a new DC motor like to be "warmed up" too, especially after many months or years of not being run. And racing slot cars, I've found that the same thing is true of them, even brand new racing rebuilds with teflon based lubricants. The longer they sit between race weekends, the more time they need to run around the track and "warm up." Actually, the phrase "warming up" is incorrect, "freeing up" may be more acurate! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66619	From: Dave	Date: 11/19/2011
Subject: Flat Car "STEEL BULKHEADS"

We are offering a new product specifically manfactured to add weight to your AF plastic flat cars to minimize their constant de-railments. We are offering "SOLID STEEL BULKHEADS" that weigh in at 3 oz. per pair. Made of .080 laser cut mild steel and primed in box car red are just the addition that many AF operators were waiting for. Photos are in our album here at the group. Please use the link below to view. An item that has been long over due say most. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/list?order=ordinal For further info. please contact us off group. Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc 502-292-1872

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66620	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/19/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/20/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday November 20, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 4 minutes. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66621	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/19/2011
Subject: Micro Layout

I have been asked to post a few pictures of my On30 Micro Layouts, so you'll find them in the PHOTOS section under "Stumpy's Stuff." There are a few pix of Marabunta Island, built in 2004 depicting an old, run down Central American plantation railroad. There is also a picture of Jurrasic Pizza, which won an award that same year for smallest and most creative layout. Both are being displayed at the Wheeling Train Show this weekend by request for the fourth time since '04. Stumpy in Appalachia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66622	From: Dave	Date: 11/20/2011
Subject: .080 STEEL BULKHEADS NOW AVALIABLE

The newest form (open side) of our FICUS BRAND .080 STEEL BULKHEADS are now avaliable at our web site. PRICE: $11.50 per pair which includes shipping via USPS. Photos can be viewed here at our album. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/list?order=ordinal and at our web site at: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html For further information please contact us off group. Thank you all for your continuing support and SUPER IDEAS!! Dave LBR Enterprises, llc 502-292-1872

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66623	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 11/20/2011
Subject: Re: Power question

What type/brand of can motors do you use? I've been considering changing over to DC, and have thought about doing that very thing. Any advice or thoughts? Mark in Oregon --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > As you know, I rebuild junk box stuff, and install DC can motors in them. You would not believe what I sometimes find while doing a tear down and cleaning of the chassis of some of these old locomotives! While the old Gilbert maintenance kits supplied some pretty decent oil and lubricants of the day, it seems that many owners never heard the phrase "use in moderation." Petroleum based lubricants are a magnet for all kinds of dirt, which solidifies over fifty years. I have had to use a screwdriver to dig crud out of gearboxes. This black cement probably had something to do with why the engine ended up in the junk box rather than running a long life! > Another thing I often find that certainly messed up motors and reverse units is hairs of steel wool, no doubt used to clean the track at some point. Probably another reason the loco is in a junk box. > "Warming up" a loco probably helps semi liquify the crud and grease build up, but isn't helping the motor a bit to endure long life. > However, even a clean chassis and a new DC motor like to be "warmed up" too, especially after many months or years of not being run. And racing slot cars, I've found that the same thing is true of them, even brand new racing rebuilds with teflon based lubricants. The longer they sit between race weekends, the more time they need to run around the track and "warm up." Actually, the phrase "warming up" is incorrect, "freeing up" may be more acurate! > Stumpy in Ahia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66624	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/20/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/20/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday November 20, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66625	From: R G	Date: 11/20/2011
Subject: Re: Power question

I got mine from Port Line Hobbies.  they come two ways with the regular speed worm gear on the shaft or the shaft worn cut for 1/2 speed.  You really get great slow speed operation with the 1/2speed shaft on the motors. ________________________________ From: Mark Mugnai <mugnai@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 11:43 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:Power question   What type/brand of can motors do you use? I've been considering changing over to DC, and have thought about doing that very thing. Any advice or thoughts? Mark in Oregon --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > As you know, I rebuild junk box stuff, and install DC can motors in them. You would not believe what I sometimes find while doing a tear down and cleaning of the chassis of some of these old locomotives! While the old Gilbert maintenance kits supplied some pretty decent oil and lubricants of the day, it seems that many owners never heard the phrase "use in moderation." Petroleum based lubricants are a magnet for all kinds of dirt, which solidifies over fifty years. I have had to use a screwdriver to dig crud out of gearboxes. This black cement probably had something to do with why the engine ended up in the junk box rather than running a long life! > Another thing I often find that certainly messed up motors and reverse units is hairs of steel wool, no doubt used to clean the track at some point. Probably another reason the loco is in a junk box. > "Warming up" a loco probably helps semi liquify the crud and grease build up, but isn't helping the motor a bit to endure long life. > However, even a clean chassis and a new DC motor like to be "warmed up" too, especially after many months or years of not being run. And racing slot cars, I've found that the same thing is true of them, even brand new racing rebuilds with teflon based lubricants. The longer they sit between race weekends, the more time they need to run around the track and "warm up." Actually, the phrase "warming up" is incorrect, "freeing up" may be more acurate! > Stumpy in Ahia > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66626	From: Michael	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: American Flyer 583 Crane

Hi, I have an American Flyer 583 Crane that I am in the process of restoring. The motor / gear assembly works, but there is a lot of arcing at the brushes. I am trying to figure out how to remove the brushes so I can look at them and clean them. I cannot figure out how the brush holders release from the motor assembly. Are they a friction fit and just pull out, or do they unscrew, or what? I'm afraid to use much force as I don't want to damage them. Thanks for any help anyone can provide. Michael F. San Jose

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66627	From: Dale Chaudiere	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: For Sale: 470 SANTA FE Alco PA

Good condition. Runs great. Replaced horns, one step, decals, and fingers on E-unit. Greased recently. $110 plus $12 shipping. See Photos=>For Sale: 470 SANTA FE Super Chief

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66628	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Power question

Those motors are made by SnS Trains in Boise, Idaho. I know, because I make them... Steve In a message dated 11/20/2011 5:25:16 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, keyhole_corona@... writes: I got mine from Port Line Hobbies. they come two ways with the regular speed worm gear on the shaft or the shaft worn cut for 1/2 speed. You really get great slow speed operation with the 1/2speed shaft on the motors. ________________________________ From: Mark Mugnai <_mugnai@..._ (mailto:mugnai@...) > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 11:43 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:Power question What type/brand of can motors do you use? I've been considering changing over to DC, and have thought about doing that very thing. Any advice or thoughts? Mark in Oregon --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > As you know, I rebuild junk box stuff, and install DC can motors in them. You would not believe what I sometimes find while doing a tear down and cleaning of the chassis of some of these old locomotives! While the old Gilbert maintenance kits supplied some pretty decent oil and lubricants of the day, it seems that many owners never heard the phrase "use in moderation." Petroleum based lubricants are a magnet for all kinds of dirt, which solidifies over fifty years. I have had to use a screwdriver to dig crud out of gearboxes. This black cement probably had something to do with why the engine ended up in the junk box rather than running a long life! > Another thing I often find that certainly messed up motors and reverse units is hairs of steel wool, no doubt used to clean the track at some point. Probably another reason the loco is in a junk box. > "Warming up" a loco probably helps semi liquify the crud and grease build up, but isn't helping the motor a bit to endure long life. > However, even a clean chassis and a new DC motor like to be "warmed up" too, especially after many months or years of not being run. And racing slot cars, I've found that the same thing is true of them, even brand new racing rebuilds with teflon based lubricants. The longer they sit between race weekends, the more time they need to run around the track and "warm up." Actually, the phrase "warming up" is incorrect, "freeing up" may be more acurate! > Stumpy in Ahia > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66629	From: sgaugian	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: They're not just for passenger trans..

Domain suspended Brady. Do you have another link? Thanks. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: > > > A prototype for pulling freight with your warbonnets.. > > http://www.godfatherrails.com/photos/pv.asp?pid=1632 > > http://www.godfatherrails.com/photos/pv.asp?pid=1635 > > > Brady Burdge >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66630	From: R G	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: Power question

Thank you they are great motors! ________________________________ From: "boss31@..." <boss31@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 1:10 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Power question   Those motors are made by SnS Trains in Boise, Idaho. I know, because I make them... Steve In a message dated 11/20/2011 5:25:16 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, keyhole_corona@... writes: I got mine from Port Line Hobbies. they come two ways with the regular speed worm gear on the shaft or the shaft worn cut for 1/2 speed. You really get great slow speed operation with the 1/2speed shaft on the motors. ________________________________ From: Mark Mugnai <_mugnai@..._ (mailto:mugnai@...) > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 11:43 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:Power question What type/brand of can motors do you use? I've been considering changing over to DC, and have thought about doing that very thing. Any advice or thoughts? Mark in Oregon --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > As you know, I rebuild junk box stuff, and install DC can motors in them. You would not believe what I sometimes find while doing a tear down and cleaning of the chassis of some of these old locomotives! While the old Gilbert maintenance kits supplied some pretty decent oil and lubricants of the day, it seems that many owners never heard the phrase "use in moderation." Petroleum based lubricants are a magnet for all kinds of dirt, which solidifies over fifty years. I have had to use a screwdriver to dig crud out of gearboxes. This black cement probably had something to do with why the engine ended up in the junk box rather than running a long life! > Another thing I often find that certainly messed up motors and reverse units is hairs of steel wool, no doubt used to clean the track at some point. Probably another reason the loco is in a junk box. > "Warming up" a loco probably helps semi liquify the crud and grease build up, but isn't helping the motor a bit to endure long life. > However, even a clean chassis and a new DC motor like to be "warmed up" too, especially after many months or years of not being run. And racing slot cars, I've found that the same thing is true of them, even brand new racing rebuilds with teflon based lubricants. The longer they sit between race weekends, the more time they need to run around the track and "warm up." Actually, the phrase "warming up" is incorrect, "freeing up" may be more acurate! > Stumpy in Ahia > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66631	From: piccu56	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: American Flyer 583 Crane

All but the earliest cranes used the standard Gilbert motor they installed in whistles and steam locos. These have a double wound field and a two button control. The brush plate comes off with the removal of two screws. The very early models used a cast piece that was similar to the one used on the HO Hudsons. These will have a reverse unit under the deck along with the motor. The cast brush plates will warp and/or crumble if the metal has the rot. They are also held on with two screws. You have to get way up under the deck to reach them. Dave --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael" <mfjordba@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > I have an American Flyer 583 Crane that I am in the process of restoring. The motor / gear assembly works, but there is a lot of arcing at the brushes. I am trying to figure out how to remove the brushes so I can look at them and clean them. I cannot figure out how the brush holders release from the motor assembly. Are they a friction fit and just pull out, or do they unscrew, or what? I'm afraid to use much force as I don't want to damage them. > > Thanks for any help anyone can provide. > > Michael F. > San Jose >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66632	From: tbennerohio	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: AF Alcos and Bullfrog Snot

Hello All, I have used Bullfrog Snot with much success on AF steamers. The steamers have plenty of torque so they can handle the extra load. But what about AF diesels? Those motors seem to be a little more delicate. They are fast but do they have the torque to handle more of a load without overheating and damage? The reason for the question is a 360-364 set with new bushings and one new armature runs great pulling 4 plastic cars. Even on a 1" in 60" grade, it slows but pulls just fine. I added a 473 to the set and now if the grade is approached with less than 3/4 throttle, the drive wheels are slipping before the top of the grade. Bullfrog Snot would fix the slipping but I'd rather not fix the slipping at the cost of frying an armature. Anyone tried it or have knowledge to share? Thanks, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66633	From: trainboy247	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: 577 Whistling Billboard Type 1

I recently purchased a 577 Whistling Billboard Type 1. It's the early version with the Royal Typewriter. Instead of the color coded wires in the later version 577 which I also own and operate, it has 4 cloth covered wires. Since it is in very good shape I wood like to hook it up to see if it works, but since nothing is color coded I'm not sure where to start. Any input from the group would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your help.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66634	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: They're not just for passenger trans..

The warbonnet F units were used for pulling some of the tofc trains of the Santa Fe and were allowed passenger train speeds. These were not real long trains and the total train weight is what allowed them to be operated at passenger speeds. The photos I have seen were of single F units, Chicago-LA. I cannot remember if they were F3s or F7s but they were in the passenger warbonnet scheme. I am not aware that PAs were used in freight service but at one time or another almost all passenger diesels pulled some freight, however irregularly. But using SHS F units in the passenger scheme on TOFC freights would definitely be prototypical. I do not think Santa Fe owned FP7s but the AM FP7s would still look close to being prototypical on these trains. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 11/21/2011 6:23:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, dsme_horn@... writes: Domain suspended Brady. Do you have another link? Thanks. --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: > > > A prototype for pulling freight with your warbonnets.. > > _http://www.godfatherrails.com/photos/pv.asp?pid=1632_ (http://www.godfatherrails.com/photos/pv.asp?pid=1632) > > _http://www.godfatherrails.com/photos/pv.asp?pid=1635_ (http://www.godfatherrails.com/photos/pv.asp?pid=1635) > > > Brady Burdge > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66635	From: aftrains2	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: For Sale: 470 SANTA FE Alco PA

How's the paint overall? Hard to tell from the photos. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dale Chaudiere" <Dale.Chaudiere@...> wrote: > > Good condition. Runs great. Replaced horns, one step, decals, and fingers on E-unit. Greased recently. > > $110 plus $12 shipping. > > See Photos=>For Sale: 470 SANTA FE Super Chief >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66636	From: Obie Bell	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: They're not just for passenger trans..

Hello Earl and anyone interested, In the book "PA Alco's Glamour Girl" author Andy Romano notes that during the produce rush in the summer of 1968 Alco PA's were removed from storage and put innto freight service. the book does show one photo of PAs pulling freight from July of '68 Obie Bell I am not aware that PAs were used in freight service but at one time or another almost all passenger diesels pulled some freight, however irregularly. But using SHS F units in the passenger scheme on TOFC freights would definitely be prototypical. I do not think Santa Fe owned FP7s but the AM FP7s would still look close to being prototypical on these trains. - Earl Henry, Nashville [ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66637	From: Ben	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: AF Challengers...

An acquaintance stopped over last evening to try out his two new 4-6-6-4 Challengers as his layout is out of commision at the moment. We tried one in the black paint scheme and one in the gray paint scheme. Some observations: 1) the skinnier trailing trucks and running gear on the Challenger are much improved aesthetically and operationally to the Big Boy (more on this later) 2) we could not get the whistle to blow on either loco in conventional mode (our only mode of operation) 3) the gray Challenger "wheezed" making me think back to the Lionel Northerns with the famous wheezing smoke unit...we have no idea what this is 4) Details, details, details... these Challengers are really beautiful models! Does the group think that the trailing truck on the loco and the lead truck on the tender would be transferrable to the BB? Could one order just a tender to run with the BB? We looked and all components seemed to be similar except for the extra-width of the BB parts. I could be persuaded to transfer parts to make the BB look better if Lionel would sell the parts/tenders. I know I am not buying a Challenger even though they seem much improved. One Lionel S-Gauge articulated steamer on the roster is quite enough. Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66638	From: rick gough	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: Large Layouts under construction

How about:� S @ 60sf � M@ 120sf � L@ 360sf � XL@ 650sf rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing ________________________________ From: barb <rcespeak@...> To: S-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:23 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Large Layouts under construction   Hey Brady, What is your definition of a "large" layout? I consider mine "not small" @ 360 sq. ft. And it's all trains except for two pop-ups. Barb Does anyone know of any other large Flyer (or S scale) layouts out there that are under construction? Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66639	From: R G	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: AF Challengers...

If you could get the parts the replacement of the "W I D E" trucks  could be accomplished.  But I doubt if the trucks would be available.  Convential mode does not do either the Challenger of Big Boy justice.  These locomotives were designed to operate best in the command control enviroment.  That wheezing sound could be that the locomtive needs lubrication.  They need it right out of the box! ________________________________ From: Ben <lbstiles@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 2:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF Challengers...   An acquaintance stopped over last evening to try out his two new 4-6-6-4 Challengers as his layout is out of commision at the moment. We tried one in the black paint scheme and one in the gray paint scheme. Some observations: 1) the skinnier trailing trucks and running gear on the Challenger are much improved aesthetically and operationally to the Big Boy (more on this later) 2) we could not get the whistle to blow on either loco in conventional mode (our only mode of operation) 3) the gray Challenger "wheezed" making me think back to the Lionel Northerns with the famous wheezing smoke unit...we have no idea what this is 4) Details, details, details... these Challengers are really beautiful models! Does the group think that the trailing truck on the loco and the lead truck on the tender would be transferrable to the BB? Could one order just a tender to run with the BB? We looked and all components seemed to be similar except for the extra-width of the BB parts. I could be persuaded to transfer parts to make the BB look better if Lionel would sell the parts/tenders. I know I am not buying a Challenger even though they seem much improved. One Lionel S-Gauge articulated steamer on the roster is quite enough. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66640	From: rick gough	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: AF Challengers...

Ben, how much better [$300.?] is the detailing than the BB, which everyone seemed to marvel over ...... at least initially!? rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing ________________________________ From: Ben <lbstiles@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 12:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF Challengers... ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | Approve S-Trains@yahoogroups.com   An acquaintance stopped over last evening to try out his two new 4-6-6-4 Challengers as his layout is out of commision at the moment. We tried one in the black paint scheme and one in the gray paint scheme. Some observations: 1) the skinnier trailing trucks and running gear on the Challenger are much improved aesthetically and operationally to the Big Boy (more on this later) 2) we could not get the whistle to blow on either loco in conventional mode (our only mode of operation) 3) the gray Challenger "wheezed" making me think back to the Lionel Northerns with the famous wheezing smoke unit...we have no idea what this is 4) Details, details, details... these Challengers are really beautiful models! Does the group think that the trailing truck on the loco and the lead truck on the tender would be transferrable to the BB? Could one order just a tender to run with the BB? We looked and all components seemed to be similar except for the extra-width of the BB parts. I could be persuaded to transfer parts to make the BB look better if Lionel would sell the parts/tenders. I know I am not buying a Challenger even though they seem much improved. One Lionel S-Gauge articulated steamer on the roster is quite enough. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66641	From: rick gough	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: AF Alcos and Bullfrog Snot

Well, acording to ACG it's a very big improvement to add traction in the form of pull-mor wheels, which they put on later diesels with the same motors. So BFS will give you some noticable improvement in the traction you seek; not as good as the rubber pull-mor drivers, which are available as replacement wheels from Portlines. I've done both and if you use BFS, do 2 coatings and do all 4 non-pickup drivers. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing ________________________________ From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 7:15 AM Subject: [S-Trains] AF Alcos and Bullfrog Snot   Hello All, I have used Bullfrog Snot with much success on AF steamers. The steamers have plenty of torque so they can handle the extra load. But what about AF diesels? Those motors seem to be a little more delicate. They are fast but do they have the torque to handle more of a load without overheating and damage? The reason for the question is a 360-364 set with new bushings and one new armature runs great pulling 4 plastic cars. Even on a 1" in 60" grade, it slows but pulls just fine. I added a 473 to the set and now if the grade is approached with less than 3/4 throttle, the drive wheels are slipping before the top of the grade. Bullfrog Snot would fix the slipping but I'd rather not fix the slipping at the cost of frying an armature. Anyone tried it or have knowledge to share? Thanks, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66642	From: Brady	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: Large Layouts under construction

<< What is your definition of a "large" layout? >> Barb, Let's say a layout larger than 10' x 12' Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66643	From: Brady	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: They're not just for passenger trans..

<< Domain suspended Brady. Do you have another link? Thanks. >> No, afraid not. Perhaps it'll be back up in a new days Brady Burdge --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "sgaugian" <dsme_horn@...> wrote: > > > Domain suspended Brady. Do you have another link? Thanks. > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@> wrote: > > > > > > A prototype for pulling freight with your warbonnets.. > > > > http://www.godfatherrails.com/photos/pv.asp?pid=1632 > > > > http://www.godfatherrails.com/photos/pv.asp?pid=1635 > > > > > > Brady Burdge > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66644	From: rick gough	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: Making Canvas Cab Curtains

Brady, thanks for the tip .... looks pretty real on my 342 custom; Atlantic is up for next tea bag! rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing ________________________________ From: Brady Burdge <brady@...> To: Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:22 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Making Canvas Cab Curtains ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | Approve S-Trains@yahoogroups.com   The November issue of Model Railroad Hobbyist has an article on making steam locomotive cab curtains from teabags. The magazine is free and can be viewed on-line or downloaded http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/magazine/mrh-2011-11-nov Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66645	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: Large Layouts under construction

So my layout at 96 square feet doesn’t mean crap? That layout took a lot of effort for me to build, with bad eyesight, bad knees, bad back, no knowledge on building a layout at all and no outside help, basically. A lot of trial and error. Never built a building kit before, as I have many. My first kit was a Lehigh Valley Water tower, which is probably one of the hardest kits to make, and that was my first! Oh, but I think Roger Carp is going to do a story on the layout one day in CTT. Does size really matter? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/list My layout from start to finish, as I need to upload the final photos. Mike Marmer From: Brady Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 3:42 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Large Layouts under construction << What is your definition of a "large" layout? >> Barb, Let's say a layout larger than 10' x 12' Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66646	From: Larry Asp	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: For Sale: 470 SANTA FE Alco PA

A link to the photos please. On 2011-11-21, at 12:50 PM, aftrains2 wrote: > How's the paint overall? Hard to tell from the photos. > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dale Chaudiere" <Dale.Chaudiere@...> wrote: >> >> Good condition. Runs great. Replaced horns, one step, decals, and fingers on E-unit. Greased recently. >> >> $110 plus $12 shipping. >> >> See Photos=>For Sale: 470 SANTA FE Super Chief >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66647	From: Ben	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: AF Challengers...

I would say detail is in tune with the BB. They are both very nice models. The best is the narrower trucks and the entire undercarriage of the tender. BIG improvement. I enjoyed seeing them run last night. We did do some comparisons wit hthe BB side by side, but I am not running my BB right now as it needs some motor shims. Need the time- have the shims from Joe's Train repair. Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rick gough <racin510@...> wrote: > > Ben, how much better [$300.?] is the detailing than the BB, which everyone seemed to marvel over ...... at least initially!? > > > rick gough > mudshark datsun > 510 racing > > > ________________________________ > From: Ben <lbstiles@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 12:00 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] AF Challengers... > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > > > S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | Approve S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > >   > An acquaintance stopped over last evening to try out his two new 4-6-6-4 Challengers as his layout is out of commision at the moment. We tried one in the black paint scheme and one in the gray paint scheme. Some observations: > > 1) the skinnier trailing trucks and running gear on the Challenger are much improved aesthetically and operationally to the Big Boy (more on this later) > 2) we could not get the whistle to blow on either loco in conventional mode (our only mode of operation) > 3) the gray Challenger "wheezed" making me think back to the Lionel Northerns with the famous wheezing smoke unit...we have no idea what this is > 4) Details, details, details... these Challengers are really beautiful models! > > Does the group think that the trailing truck on the loco and the lead truck on the tender would be transferrable to the BB? Could one order just a tender to run with the BB? We looked and all components seemed to be similar except for the extra-width of the BB parts. I could be persuaded to transfer parts to make the BB look better if Lionel would sell the parts/tenders. > > I know I am not buying a Challenger even though they seem much improved. One Lionel S-Gauge articulated steamer on the roster is quite enough. > > Ben > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66648	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Hobo's and Railroads

Hobo’s are folk legend in the railroad industry. While doing exercises for my knee replacement last night I heard this man, Joel Rafael on www.folkalley.com. I just love this man’s material, as this song is done really well about a man who becomes a hobo on the railroads. The singer is from Southern CA as I am friends musically and now basebally, with a Tim Flannery, who played baseball for San Diego for 10 years and now is a coach for the San Francisco Giants. Tim also has a music career with 10 CDs. Tim lives in San Diego, so I asked him if he knew of Joel, which I was sure he did. Turns out Joel produced Tim’s 2nd CD, Secret World, as Tim wrote me back today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhaKOybz9EU The song, as Joel sounds a bit like Bob Dylan. The song was written by Woodie Guthrie. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66649	From: Brady	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: Large Layouts under construction

<< So my layout at 96 square feet doesn't mean crap? >> Mike, No one is saying that. I hope CTT does include your layout, it'll give me a reason to renew my subscription. CTT and OGR always have articles on O gauge basement-buster layouts. They ran out of new adjectives to describe them in 1998, now I think they recycle adjectives in alphabetic order. So here's the original thought - Several of the "start-of-the-art" S gauge layouts that were in TM's Great Toy Train Layouts of American book and DVD series are gone. Today, Timboy, Barb and Carl allow us to dream the impossible dream, the kind of layouts the catalogs promised. So I was wondering - are there any others? Brady Burdge - Owner and operator of the three-door division of the American Flyer Lines..

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66650	From: charlie and edith	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Link to knuckle coupler conversion

Greetings! In converting the link coupler to the knuckle coupler, is there a "correct " side for the head of the split rivit? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes! Charlie in W MI [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66651	From: len_hall	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: New Challenger Engine

Here is a short video of one running. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8GBt4n90w8

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66652	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Doc's American Flyer layout & village, etc.

A neat layout with several interesting scratchbuilt accessories http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS8T6PMjUHc&feature=uploademail <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS8T6PMjUHc&feature=uploademail> Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66653	From: tbennerohio	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: AF Alcos and Bullfrog Snot

Thanks, Rick The 360 has been snotted. I was under the misconception that Gilbert changed (improved) the diesel motors when they added pull-mor. A second coat of BFS tomorrow evening and a performance report the next. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rick gough <racin510@...> wrote: > > Well, acording to ACG it's a very big improvement to add traction in the form of pull-mor wheels, which they put on later diesels with the same motors. So BFS will give you some noticable improvement in the traction you seek; not as good as the rubber pull-mor drivers, which are available as replacement wheels from Portlines. I've done both and if you use BFS, do 2 coatings and do all 4 non-pickup drivers. > > > rick gough > mudshark datsun

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66654	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Challenger Engine, My Video

Here is a link to my Challenger video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vr8KG2PZvw&feature=player_embedded Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66655	From: davidavedesian	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: American Flyer Track Radius?

Hello Guys: What is the correct American Flyer curve track radius? I have thought for a long time that the AF standard curve had a centerline radius of 19.5" or a 39" diameter. This pass weekend I used a bow compass with the above radius. To my dismay, I had laid out the track centers only to find that I was wrong. Before starting the process again, does anyone know what the AF radius is? Is the K-Line 54 a true centerline radius of 27"? Thank you, David Avedesian Silver Spring, MD Baltimore Area American Flyer Club

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66656	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: Large Layouts under construction

Brady, Yes, true but Timboy, Barb and Carl are not the only ones with layouts on this list. I am glad they allow you to follow your dream, they did not for me, however. I made my own dream of a layout without any help. I will say that it is Bob Board, and I know Bob is on the list, who inspired me the most in making my layout. Thanks Bob and to your Dad in what you have made in Lancaster. A well worth side trip to Lancaster as Linda and I go to Lancaster a lot in December. I have written and posted many pictures of the layout and I just thought it is totally weird on what a large layout is. And you have help many follow this dream too with your great webpage too, Brady, keep up the good work you do. Mike From: Brady Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 7:10 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Large Layouts under construction << So my layout at 96 square feet doesn't mean crap? >> Mike, No one is saying that. I hope CTT does include your layout, it'll give me a reason to renew my subscription. CTT and OGR always have articles on O gauge basement-buster layouts. They ran out of new adjectives to describe them in 1998, now I think they recycle adjectives in alphabetic order. So here's the original thought - Several of the "start-of-the-art" S gauge layouts that were in TM's Great Toy Train Layouts of American book and DVD series are gone. Today, Timboy, Barb and Carl allow us to dream the impossible dream, the kind of layouts the catalogs promised. So I was wondering - are there any others? Brady Burdge - Owner and operator of the three-door division of the American Flyer Lines.. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66657	From: George Cohn	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: They're not just for passenger trans..

On 11/21/2011 1:44 PM, Brady wrote: > << Domain suspended Brady. Do you have another link? Thanks. >> > > No, afraid not. Perhaps it'll be back up in a new days http://www.godfatherrails.com/photos/pv.asp?pid=1632 A whois for the website shows it is listed as belonging to a Donald Peacock Madison WI raysherman10@... The domain registration is valid until Apr 30, 2013. The website is hosted by Godaddy so a guess would be he's in arrears on his hosting fee to Godaddy. All of this is public information. I teach computer networking. :-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66658	From: Timboy	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: Large Layouts under construction

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > So my layout at 96 square feet doesn’t mean crap? > > That layout took a lot of effort for me to build, with bad eyesight, bad knees, bad back, no knowledge on building a layout at all and no outside help, basically. A lot of trial and error. Never built a building kit before, as I have many. My first kit was a Lehigh Valley Water tower, which is probably one of the hardest kits to make, and that was my first! > > Oh, but I think Roger Carp is going to do a story on the layout one day in CTT. > > Does size really matter? > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/list > > My layout from start to finish, as I need to upload the final photos. > > Mike Marmer > > From: Brady > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 3:42 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Large Layouts under construction > > > << What is your definition of a "large" layout? >> > > Barb, > > Let's say a layout larger than 10' x 12' > > Brady Burdge > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Mike, Don't become upset and let it show on this Forum. You SHOULD be above that. No one is attacking you. Brady's question was, "Does anyone know of any other large Flyer (or S scale) layouts out there that are under construction?". Brady defined "large" as larger than 10'X12'. And is your's under construction or pretty much completed? He didn't ask anyone if they thought their's was "better" than your's or anyone else's. You are confusing the issue and showing emotion over nothing at all. You received many kudos for your layout, whatever size it may be. Allow others to get recognition for building LARGE Flyer layouts. Whether they are "good" or not is another matter completely. As an aside, I have seen a question or comment on layout size posted before on various train forums. Usually, someone tries to "one up" everyone by making a wild claim that his or his friend's layout is a whole lot larger. When those guys are asked to post some pics or point to a website that shows it, they never do. Regards, Timboy, The One With A LARGE Flyer Layout Under Construction

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66659	From: Roy Inman	Date: 11/21/2011
Subject: Re: Challenger Engine, My Video

Phe-nomenal! Roy From: <carl@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 21:38:26 -0500 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Challenger Engine, My Video Here is a link to my Challenger video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vr8KG2PZvw&feature=player_embedded Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66660	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: Large Layouts under construction

Tim, I know no one is attacking me. However its been a rough 2 weeks with basically no sleep to this surgery and I might be a little short tempered right now, as I know I made some comments about layouts and kids that was no good in reference to clubs. I can’t do much in life right now, and the pain is great from the knee. So I am short tempered a bit right now. I need to stop responding to any list until this gets better. Sorry. Meant no harm to anyone. Mike From: Timboy Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 7:54 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Large Layouts under construction --- In mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > So my layout at 96 square feet doesn’t mean crap? > > That layout took a lot of effort for me to build, with bad eyesight, bad knees, bad back, no knowledge on building a layout at all and no outside help, basically. A lot of trial and error. Never built a building kit before, as I have many. My first kit was a Lehigh Valley Water tower, which is probably one of the hardest kits to make, and that was my first! > > Oh, but I think Roger Carp is going to do a story on the layout one day in CTT. > > Does size really matter? > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/739856960/pic/list > > My layout from start to finish, as I need to upload the final photos. > > Mike Marmer > > From: Brady > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 3:42 PM > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Large Layouts under construction > > > << What is your definition of a "large" layout? >> > > Barb, > > Let's say a layout larger than 10' x 12' > > Brady Burdge > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Mike, Don't become upset and let it show on this Forum. You SHOULD be above that. No one is attacking you. Brady's question was, "Does anyone know of any other large Flyer (or S scale) layouts out there that are under construction?". Brady defined "large" as larger than 10'X12'. And is your's under construction or pretty much completed? He didn't ask anyone if they thought their's was "better" than your's or anyone else's. You are confusing the issue and showing emotion over nothing at all. You received many kudos for your layout, whatever size it may be. Allow others to get recognition for building LARGE Flyer layouts. Whether they are "good" or not is another matter completely. As an aside, I have seen a question or comment on layout size posted before on various train forums. Usually, someone tries to "one up" everyone by making a wild claim that his or his friend's layout is a whole lot larger. When those guys are asked to post some pics or point to a website that shows it, they never do. Regards, Timboy, The One With A LARGE Flyer Layout Under Construction [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66661	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: Challenger Engine, My Video

Hi Carl: Nice video! Does the Challenger run out of smoke rapidly?? Did you do anything special when you took it out of the box (grease, oil, etc.) before you made the video (I know that you have recommended some initial starting steps earlier for engines(?)?? In any event, it looks as though it is an excellent addition (especially since you have the longer runs to 'show' the engine. thanks Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 11/22/2011 03:38, carl@... wrote: > > Here is a link to my Challenger video > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vr8KG2PZvw&feature=player_embedded > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vr8KG2PZvw&feature=player_embedded> > > Carl > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66662	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: Large Layouts under construction

My last comment on large layouts. Okay, maybe I came across to some of you with anger, when I said “What is my layout crap?” at 96 square feet. I was taken back on this discussion on what a large layout is as I consider my layout being large. I meant no disrespect to Carl, Tim or Barb. If I upset anyone, I am sincerely sorry. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66663	From: Timboy	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: Doc's American Flyer layout & village, etc.

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: > > A neat layout with several interesting scratchbuilt accessories > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS8T6PMjUHc&feature=uploademail > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS8T6PMjUHc&feature=uploademail> > > > > Brady Burdge > Brady... Thanks for posting the link to Doc's Layout!!!!! Very inspiring! I tweeted that link and have included it on my blog under "Timboy-Worthy Flyer Videos". I believe we can all learn from Doc's work. I know I sure got a bunch of cool ideas! Thanks again! -Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66664	From: Timboy	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: Micro Layout

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > I have been asked to post a few pictures of my On30 Micro Layouts, so you'll find them in the PHOTOS section under "Stumpy's Stuff." > There are a few pix of Marabunta Island, built in 2004 depicting an old, run down Central American plantation railroad. > There is also a picture of Jurrasic Pizza, which won an award that same year for smallest and most creative layout. > Both are being displayed at the Wheeling Train Show this weekend by request for the fourth time since '04. > Stumpy in Appalachia > Stumpy... Nice work! You have a great eye (or two) for composition and detail. Thanks for posting the pics of this and your rehab work! -Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66665	From: Carey Probst	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: Large Layouts under construction

A key thing to keep in mind is the definition of large varies. I have seen many large layouts but they are nothing but plywood and track. In my old house in NJ I had a back wall in the basement that would have allowed me to put in over a scale mile of track. That was my large layout that never got built. For me now my layout consists of 5 feet of hand laid test track and 5 feet of flyer track on a pine board, about 2.5 sq. feet. All I have room for. It has just enough room for an Sn3 track in the middle to be laid shortly. If we find a good house I hope to build a large layout as well but it will start small and grow. Even if I never get past a single sheet of plywood I hope I can come close to the awesome details in yours Mike. I'd be happy to have room for my display cabinet but in this house no way. Keep up the good work when you can and try not to let the surgery get you down too much. If you ever need someone to rant at let me know. I have a very thick skin. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 11/22/2011 7:06 AM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > > > My last comment on large layouts. > > Okay, maybe I came across to some of you with anger, when I said “What > is my layout crap?” at 96 square feet. > > I was taken back on this discussion on what a large layout is as I > consider my layout being large. > > I meant no disrespect to Carl, Tim or Barb. If I upset anyone, I am > sincerely sorry. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66666	From: Ben	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: Large Layouts under construction

Is our American Flyer layout large? I don't know...it fills two second floor rooms in our old farm house. Tracks run through tunnels cut in the old plaster walls...room to room. I would say total dimensions are 16 x 12 feet. My layout was featured in September 2010 CTT. I wrote the article and had a student shoot the photos. We can run 3 S gauge trains and an S gauge trolley, four HO trains, one N and one Z gauge train at one time. Anyone on the list is welcome to view our layout in person if you are ever in the Lancaster, PA area. We are minutes from the PA Railroad Museum, Strasburg RR, and TCA NTTM. Let me know...the trains are always running. Ben (and Lynn) --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Brady, > > > Yes, true but Timboy, Barb and Carl are not the only ones with layouts on this list. I am glad they allow you to follow your dream, they did not for me, however. I made my own dream of a layout without any help. I will say that it is Bob Board, and I know Bob is on the list, who inspired me the most in making my layout. Thanks Bob and to your Dad in what you have made in Lancaster. A well worth side trip to Lancaster as Linda and I go to Lancaster a lot in December. > > I have written and posted many pictures of the layout and I just thought it is totally weird on what a large layout is. > > And you have help many follow this dream too with your great webpage too, Brady, keep up the good work you do. > > Mike > > From: Brady > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 7:10 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Large Layouts under construction > > > << So my layout at 96 square feet doesn't mean crap? >> > > Mike, > > No one is saying that. I hope CTT does include your layout, it'll give me a reason to renew my subscription. > > CTT and OGR always have articles on O gauge basement-buster layouts. They ran out of new adjectives to describe them in 1998, now I think they recycle adjectives in alphabetic order. > > So here's the original thought - Several of the "start-of-the-art" S gauge layouts that were in TM's Great Toy Train Layouts of American book and DVD series are gone. Today, Timboy, Barb and Carl allow us to dream the impossible dream, the kind of layouts the catalogs promised. > > So I was wondering - are there any others? > > Brady Burdge - Owner and operator of the three-door division of the American Flyer Lines.. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66667	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Big Layouts vs. Little Layouts

Generally the size of a layout has to do as much with the scale being used as the square footage. The larger the scale, the bigger the layout must be to get plenty of scenery, structures, and trackage in. A large N scale layout might be 10x12 feet, but I've also seen N gaugers fill basements! When you get up to S or O gauge, you almost HAVE to fill a basement or attic to be "large" because of the size of everything. Back in the fifties, there were attempts in the magazines to "set" the sizes of layouts in HO scale. Evidently it was finally decided that a 4x6' or 4x8' was a "small" layout, this being based on a single regular size plywood sheet. As I recall three sheets were considered "medium" sized. Beyond that was "large." The original Atlas HO Layout Books used these "standards." And remember, this was for HO scale, while we work in the larger S scale! On the other side of the coin, there have always been very well done small layouts, packed with interesting scenes and details. The famous John Allen built an exceptional 3 1/2 by 5 1/4 foot layout back in the very early fifties. Today, the On30 modelers have been popularizing the much overlooked "Micro Layout" and the enthusiasm is spreading to other scales. My 33x52" Marabunta Island is one of the larger "Micro Layouts!" Jurrasic Pizza fits in a standard "large" pizza box and has a 6" curve radius. I also have a 3" circle of track that a trolley car goes around reliably at shows! Yes big is impressive, but if you can't finish it or maintain it, what's the point? I've seen too many big layouts fall victim to their size. Superbly done and reliably operated large, basement filling empires are to be admired, as much for their owners dedication as anything else, and we are fortunate to have several very good ones in S. But I have long given up on big. My wife reminds me of the many never completed large HO layouts in my past. Since I have gone "small" I've finished every one and gone on to detail them nicely. So, in the end, Mike's layout may not be considered "large," it may not be done to everyone's taste, some folks may be tired of hearing about it and attending interests, but you that doesn't make it bad. Sometimes "good things come in small packages." Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66668	From: R G	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: Big Layouts vs. Little Layouts

Having been in the military I have had many "small" layouts over the years. Right now I have none but I run trains every night on a carpet central layout!  So from my perspective any layout no matter the size is a good thing.  At least I am helping my son built his layout when I go over to his home.  When I move next year I will begin another layout.  I have to thank contributors like Tim, Carl, Brady and others for sharing their pictures and tips. Their contributions have been great.  I also want to thank the host for this site as more S-Scale talk takes place here than any where else!   Thank you all! And all of you have a happy Thanksgiving! ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 9:40 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Big Layouts vs. Little Layouts   Generally the size of a layout has to do as much with the scale being used as the square footage. The larger the scale, the bigger the layout must be to get plenty of scenery, structures, and trackage in. A large N scale layout might be 10x12 feet, but I've also seen N gaugers fill basements! When you get up to S or O gauge, you almost HAVE to fill a basement or attic to be "large" because of the size of everything. Back in the fifties, there were attempts in the magazines to "set" the sizes of layouts in HO scale. Evidently it was finally decided that a 4x6' or 4x8' was a "small" layout, this being based on a single regular size plywood sheet. As I recall three sheets were considered "medium" sized. Beyond that was "large." The original Atlas HO Layout Books used these "standards." And remember, this was for HO scale, while we work in the larger S scale! On the other side of the coin, there have always been very well done small layouts, packed with interesting scenes and details. The famous John Allen built an exceptional 3 1/2 by 5 1/4 foot layout back in the very early fifties. Today, the On30 modelers have been popularizing the much overlooked "Micro Layout" and the enthusiasm is spreading to other scales. My 33x52" Marabunta Island is one of the larger "Micro Layouts!" Jurrasic Pizza fits in a standard "large" pizza box and has a 6" curve radius. I also have a 3" circle of track that a trolley car goes around reliably at shows! Yes big is impressive, but if you can't finish it or maintain it, what's the point? I've seen too many big layouts fall victim to their size. Superbly done and reliably operated large, basement filling empires are to be admired, as much for their owners dedication as anything else, and we are fortunate to have several very good ones in S. But I have long given up on big. My wife reminds me of the many never completed large HO layouts in my past. Since I have gone "small" I've finished every one and gone on to detail them nicely. So, in the end, Mike's layout may not be considered "large," it may not be done to everyone's taste, some folks may be tired of hearing about it and attending interests, but you that doesn't make it bad. Sometimes "good things come in small packages." Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66669	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: Large Layouts under construction

Probably one of the most impressive layouts that many of us have seen is the SHS layout at York. And it is not big at all. Mike Marmer Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66670	From: Stephen	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: AF 753 Trestle Bridge

Hello Group, After a long absence while working overseas I am back living (and about to retire) in Texas. I had a train room built over the garage and all my AF trains and related stuff is out of storage. I decided to redesign my layout from scratch and that is what I am working on now. My question for the group is as follows. I picked up a 753 trestle bridge in fair condition for restoration. Can anyone advise which paint would be a good match for the original Flyer blue? Thanks! Steve in Houston.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66671	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: AF 753 Trestle Bridge

I found a real close match in a auto parts store.  You can look at the paint spray can top to match.  The can that I have is" plasti-kote"  The number on the can is 5717 and is meant for Toyota vehicles.  I bought it some time ago, however I am sure you can find a close match.  It is a almost metallic blue.  Good luck and hope this helps!  Al in Nevada --- On Tue, 11/22/11, Stephen <steveterni@...> wrote: From: Stephen <steveterni@...> Subject: [S-Trains] AF 753 Trestle Bridge To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 22, 2011, 9:33 AM   Hello Group, After a long absence while working overseas I am back living (and about to retire) in Texas. I had a train room built over the garage and all my AF trains and related stuff is out of storage. I decided to redesign my layout from scratch and that is what I am working on now. My question for the group is as follows. I picked up a 753 trestle bridge in fair condition for restoration. Can anyone advise which paint would be a good match for the original Flyer blue? Thanks! Steve in Houston. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66672	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: AF 753 Trestle Bridge

Hi Steve You might want to check with Doug Peck of portlines he has some paint that is very close to the paint Gilbert used good luck Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 12:33 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AF 753 Trestle Bridge Hello Group, After a long absence while working overseas I am back living (and about to retire) in Texas. I had a train room built over the garage and all my AF trains and related stuff is out of storage. I decided to redesign my layout from scratch and that is what I am working on now. My question for the group is as follows. I picked up a 753 trestle bridge in fair condition for restoration. Can anyone advise which paint would be a good match for the original Flyer blue? Thanks! Steve in Houston. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66673	From: Jimbo	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: af 283 choo-choo part

should this area be lubericated? dosnt say in the book i have.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66674	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: af 283 choo-choo part

I have never seen anywhere that you should lubericate if you did it may hamper it's function. hope this helps Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimbo To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 6:15 PM Subject: [S-Trains] af 283 choo-choo part should this area be lubericated? dosnt say in the book i have. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66675	From: rick gough	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: Big Layouts vs. Little Layouts

Let's see.... I believe I have the only operating American Flyer layout in the entire city of Seattle [not Duval, WA]. It's roughly the size of Mike's but a dogleg design. So, for Seattle, I guess it's a 'huge' layout! It does take up the entire 'furnace room' in my basement. Physical size is really irrelevant. I take pride in packing as many interesting action elements as possible into the space allowance while having all easily accessable and operable. I've seen huge layouts where it takes 20 minutes to get a log car to the mill for loading, which to me is too much wasted 'scale' time! rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 7:58 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Big Layouts vs. Little Layouts ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | Approve S-Trains@yahoogroups.com   Generally the size of a layout has to do as much with the scale being used as the square footage. The larger the scale, the bigger the layout must be to get plenty of scenery, structures, and trackage in. A large N scale layout might be 10x12 feet, but I've also seen N gaugers fill basements! When you get up to S or O gauge, you almost HAVE to fill a basement or attic to be "large" because of the size of everything. Back in the fifties, there were attempts in the magazines to "set" the sizes of layouts in HO scale. Evidently it was finally decided that a 4x6' or 4x8' was a "small" layout, this being based on a single regular size plywood sheet. As I recall three sheets were considered "medium" sized. Beyond that was "large." The original Atlas HO Layout Books used these "standards." And remember, this was for HO scale, while we work in the larger S scale! On the other side of the coin, there have always been very well done small layouts, packed with interesting scenes and details. The famous John Allen built an exceptional 3 1/2 by 5 1/4 foot layout back in the very early fifties. Today, the On30 modelers have been popularizing the much overlooked "Micro Layout" and the enthusiasm is spreading to other scales. My 33x52" Marabunta Island is one of the larger "Micro Layouts!" Jurrasic Pizza fits in a standard "large" pizza box and has a 6" curve radius. I also have a 3" circle of track that a trolley car goes around reliably at shows! Yes big is impressive, but if you can't finish it or maintain it, what's the point? I've seen too many big layouts fall victim to their size. Superbly done and reliably operated large, basement filling empires are to be admired, as much for their owners dedication as anything else, and we are fortunate to have several very good ones in S. But I have long given up on big. My wife reminds me of the many never completed large HO layouts in my past. Since I have gone "small" I've finished every one and gone on to detail them nicely. So, in the end, Mike's layout may not be considered "large," it may not be done to everyone's taste, some folks may be tired of hearing about it and attending interests, but you that doesn't make it bad. Sometimes "good things come in small packages." Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66676	From: Dale Chaudiere	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: For Sale: 470 SANTA FE Alco PA

I rated it "Good Condition" according to Greenberg's AMERICAN FLYER Pocket Price Guide 1946-2010. There are many small scratches. However it has no rust anywhere. Ironically, it looks to be about the same condition as the same engine on the cover of the price guide. You can see the photos by logging into http://groups.yahoo.com, go to S-Trains, and click on Photos. The pictures are in the folder named "For Sale: 470 SANTA FE Super Chief". --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Asp <larry.asp@...> wrote: > > A link to the photos please. > > On 2011-11-21, at 12:50 PM, aftrains2 wrote: > > > How's the paint overall? Hard to tell from the photos. > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dale Chaudiere" <Dale.Chaudiere@> wrote: > >> > >> Good condition. Runs great. Replaced horns, one step, decals, and fingers on E-unit. Greased recently. > >> > >> $110 plus $12 shipping. > >> > >> See Photos=>For Sale: 470 SANTA FE Super Chief > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66677	From: rick gough	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: AF Challengers...

Sounds to me like, with the BB now out of production, the Challenger should have come in at the same price ..... geez, it's got 4 less drivers! Refinements to the trucks are just natural progression, though should have been gotten right the first time. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing ________________________________ From: Ben <lbstiles@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 4:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Challengers... ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | Approve S-Trains@yahoogroups.com   I would say detail is in tune with the BB. They are both very nice models. The best is the narrower trucks and the entire undercarriage of the tender. BIG improvement. I enjoyed seeing them run last night. We did do some comparisons wit hthe BB side by side, but I am not running my BB right now as it needs some motor shims. Need the time- have the shims from Joe's Train repair. Ben --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rick gough <racin510@...> wrote: > > Ben, how much better [$300.?] is the detailing than the BB, which everyone seemed to marvel over ...... at least initially!? > > > rick gough > mudshark datsun > 510 racing > > > ________________________________ > From: Ben <lbstiles@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 12:00 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] AF Challengers... > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > > > S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | Approve S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > >   > An acquaintance stopped over last evening to try out his two new 4-6-6-4 Challengers as his layout is out of commision at the moment. We tried one in the black paint scheme and one in the gray paint scheme. Some observations: > > 1) the skinnier trailing trucks and running gear on the Challenger are much improved aesthetically and operationally to the Big Boy (more on this later) > 2) we could not get the whistle to blow on either loco in conventional mode (our only mode of operation) > 3) the gray Challenger "wheezed" making me think back to the Lionel Northerns with the famous wheezing smoke unit...we have no idea what this is > 4) Details, details, details... these Challengers are really beautiful models! > > Does the group think that the trailing truck on the loco and the lead truck on the tender would be transferrable to the BB? Could one order just a tender to run with the BB? We looked and all components seemed to be similar except for the extra-width of the BB parts. I could be persuaded to transfer parts to make the BB look better if Lionel would sell the parts/tenders. > > I know I am not buying a Challenger even though they seem much improved. One Lionel S-Gauge articulated steamer on the roster is quite enough. > > Ben > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66678	From: rick gough	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: Challenger Engine, My Video

Nice film .... is it supposed to be "steaming" out the steam chests? I don't see this; thought it to be a feature. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing ________________________________ From: "carl@..." <carl@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 6:38 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Challenger Engine, My Video   Here is a link to my Challenger video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vr8KG2PZvw&feature=player_embedded Carl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66679	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: Re: af 283 choo-choo part

I do not lubricate the piston, but I do lube the rivet on connecting rod where it attaches to the gear wheel and the axle of the gear itself. If you pull the piston out, just wipe it off well before reinserting it and make sure it slides easily. You might as well stick a thin wire through the hole in the chamber to make sure it is open. Jim E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanley Sobieski" <americanflyer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 5:57:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] af 283 choo-choo part I have never seen anywhere that you should lubericate if you did it may hamper it's function. hope this helps Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimbo To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 6:15 PM Subject: [S-Trains] af 283 choo-choo part should this area be lubericated? dosnt say in the book i have. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66680	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 11/22/2011
Subject: art ferguson's wp layout

does any one have contact with art ferguson, trying to locate him in regards to a wp cab that was featured in one of the videos that were made on his layout thanks mel perry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66681	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 11/23/2011
Subject: Re: af 283 choo-choo part

Yep I am sure I have read Do Not Lubricate. Alistair On Wed 23/11/11 10:27 AM , "Stanley Sobieski" americanflyer@... sent: I have never seen anywhere that you should lubericate if you did it may hamper it's function. hope this helps Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimbo To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 6:15 PM Subject: [S-Trains] af 283 choo-choo part should this area be lubericated? dosnt say in the book i have. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] mailto:americanflyer@...?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20af%20283%20choo-choo%20part [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20af%20283%20choo-choo%20part [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvNXE2dWY4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NjY3NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjIwMTAzMTA-?act=reply&messageNum=66674 [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjbmkzajlzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjIwMTAzMTA- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/66673;_ylc=X3oDMTM0ZXNnMHIxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NjY3NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjIwMTAzMTAEdHBjSWQDNjY2NzM- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZ3I4M2FmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzIyMDEwMzEw?o=6 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZmo5ZzI0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzIyMDEwMzEw [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjN3NobXRyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMjIwMTAzMTA- [10] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [11] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15o85n9bp/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1322017510/L=30e32456-156f-11e1-90c9-0f3c3b722ef2/B=GcD6LNj8fbs-/J=1322010310318873/K=Nm7ed_VHj34EniyS5pwRiA/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*<a href= [12] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiNjJqb3J2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMyMjAxMDMxMA-- [13] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional [14] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest [15] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [16] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66682	From: Timboy	Date: 11/23/2011
Subject: Re: af 283 choo-choo part

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, jimensign50@... wrote: > > I do not lubricate the piston, but I do lube the rivet on connecting rod where it attaches to the gear wheel and the axle of the gear itself. If you pull the piston out, just wipe it off well before reinserting it and make sure it slides easily. You might as well stick a thin wire through the hole in the chamber to make sure it is open. > Jim E. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stanley Sobieski" <americanflyer@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 5:57:25 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] af 283 choo-choo part > > > > > > > I have never seen anywhere that you should lubericate if you did it may hamper it's function. hope this helps Stan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jimbo > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 6:15 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] af 283 choo-choo part > > should this area be lubericated? dosnt say in the book i have. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > I have been known to put a light coating of Vaseline on the piston, thinking it will allow it to make more pressure. "Light coating" are the operative words. -Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66683	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 11/23/2011
Subject: Re: af 283 choo-choo part

Hi all: I wouldn't think one would lubricate the bellows type smoke in the older tenders, but how about the piston in the engine types? Of course, one wouldn't want the oil to solidify as it ages on the outside of the piston. Rance Velapoldi On 11/23/2011 02:09, alizoo@... wrote: > > Yep I am sure I have read Do Not Lubricate. Alistair > On Wed 23/11/11 10:27 AM , "Stanley Sobieski" americanflyer@... > <mailto:americanflyer%40cox.net> > sent: > I have never seen anywhere that you should lubericate if you did it > may hamper it's function. hope this helps Stan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jimbo > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [1] > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 6:15 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] af 283 choo-choo part > should this area be lubericated? dosnt say in the book i have. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66684	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/23/2011
Subject: Re: AF Challengers tooling...

Dear Rick, This is an easy one. The Big Boy tooling was made in Korea on spec and first produced for K-Line. If my sources are correct, "L" leased that tooling for the S gauge (On42?) run. I believe the Challenger was made from all newly purchased tooling. Take it from an expert here, tooling is not cheap. When one considers how "L" markets through distributors and hobby shops, I thought the price was very fair. I am surprised they did not take advantage of the other 20 to 25% of the market and also offer as a code 110 item like the upcoming U33C. Don Thompson PS We should all thank our lucky starts that "L" did not use any of the oversized BB tooling for the exquisite Challenger. Ironically, when the BB and Challenger are placed side by side, the towering BB really looks out of place... On Nov 22, 2011, at 10:55 PM, rick gough wrote: > Sounds to me like, with the BB now out of production, the Challenger should have come in at the same price ..... geez, it's got 4 less drivers! Refinements to the trucks are just natural progression, though should have been gotten right the first time. > > rick gough > mudshark datsun > 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66685	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 11/23/2011
Subject: Re: af 283 choo-choo part

Ok, I'll throw a wrench in the works  I had a 283 that after complete cleaning and lubrication ran sluggish and I couldn't come up with why.  So I got the idea to spray a little Radio Shack contact cleaner in the cylinder.  The engine immediately speed up.  Now i do it to all.  No problems so far. Neil [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66686	From: Neil Trump	Date: 11/23/2011
Subject: Re: af 283 choo-choo part

I always lubricate my smoke cylinders. I have used oil and I have used lithium grease, not much grease but a small smear on the wall of the cylinder. Never had a problem and been doing it for many a year. regards, Neil Sent from my wife's IPad, who keeps reminding me of the fact it is hers and not mine! On 23 Nov 2011, at 16:24, NEIL FERRIS <bowlsalot2@...> wrote: > Ok, I'll throw a wrench in the works I had a 283 that after complete cleaning and lubrication ran sluggish and I couldn't come up with why. So I got the idea to spray a little Radio Shack contact cleaner in the cylinder. The engine immediately speed up. Now i do it to all. No problems so far. > Neil > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66687	From: Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups	Date: 11/23/2011
Subject: Video- AndermanFlyer S ga. Auto. Siding Display At Toy Train Expo

VIDEO LINK: http://youtube.com/watch?v=O4mH-uV89HA This video shows the 4 ft x 18 ft S-gauge display built by Mark & Doris Anderman, that was part of the Nov 19/20, 2011 Toy Train Expo (ToyTrainExpo.org) in Williamsport, Pa. Modelers who prefer layout to be "prototypical" as possible -- may not like this layout. It was built to appeal to the "audience" coming to this event; mainly families with young kids, as part of Williamsport's "Victorian Christmas" weekend". Mark wired up an "automatic passing siding" using reed switches and automotive relays -- a "package" which he makes available on his Anderman Flyer website. This system continuously alternates two trains running on the same loop. Please note what I consider the extremely high quality of SCENERY for a temporary layout. Mark's wife Doris is the "head scenery person", and judging by the results, I would say very talented. {{Did some of you other guys ever consider, that there may be "latent scenery talent" lurking within your wives??}} In my opinion, they expended an AMAZING amount of effort -- for a display that operates for just two days -- 6 hours on Saturday and 4 hours on Sunday, and then is taken down. "ON BOARD" VIDEO: This includes "on board" video with a 'GoPro' camera mounted on a flatcar -- from 3:08 min to 4:28 min in the video. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MARK's HOME CHRISTMAS LAYOUT: If you enjoy the scenery on this display layout, you can also view similar creative "fantasy scenery" work on Mark's "Christmas Fantasy" layout that he puts up at Christmas time, at http://youtube.com/watch?v=2XpBEt-5gjg |--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Thanks. - James R. Ingram | Susquehanna S Gaugers Assistant Grunt | SusquehannaSgaugers.com | Williamsport PA Landline 570-322-7597 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- : ==========end of email ========

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66688	From: rick gough	Date: 11/23/2011
Subject: Re: AF Alcos and Bullfrog Snot

Good going. I let the second coat really dry out for several days before running ... don't know if it helps but can't hurt. This stuff takes a lot of abuse so is pretty amazing it stays on as long as it seems to be able to. I do expect it to last less long on the smaller wheels. Have more fun now! rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing ________________________________ From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 4:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Alcos and Bullfrog Snot   Thanks, Rick The 360 has been snotted. I was under the misconception that Gilbert changed (improved) the diesel motors when they added pull-mor. A second coat of BFS tomorrow evening and a performance report the next. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rick gough <racin510@...> wrote: > > Well, acording to ACG it's a very big improvement to add traction in the form of pull-mor wheels, which they put on later diesels with the same motors. So BFS will give you some noticable improvement in the traction you seek; not as good as the rubber pull-mor drivers, which are available as replacement wheels from Portlines. I've done both and if you use BFS, do 2 coatings and do all 4 non-pickup drivers. > > > rick gough > mudshark datsun [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66689	From: rick gough	Date: 11/23/2011
Subject: Re: AF Challengers tooling...

Thanks Don for the great explanation. I get it now and understand the great costs of production involved. I hope they generate a long production run after going to so much effort. I hadn't heard that the BB was so out of scale .... just that the trailing truck was. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing ________________________________ From: Don Thompson <don@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 6:45 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF Challengers tooling... ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | Approve S-Trains@yahoogroups.com   Dear Rick, This is an easy one. The Big Boy tooling was made in Korea on spec and first produced for K-Line. If my sources are correct, "L" leased that tooling for the S gauge (On42?) run. I believe the Challenger was made from all newly purchased tooling. Take it from an expert here, tooling is not cheap. When one considers how "L" markets through distributors and hobby shops, I thought the price was very fair. I am surprised they did not take advantage of the other 20 to 25% of the market and also offer as a code 110 item like the upcoming U33C. Don Thompson PS We should all thank our lucky starts that "L" did not use any of the oversized BB tooling for the exquisite Challenger. Ironically, when the BB and Challenger are placed side by side, the towering BB really looks out of place... On Nov 22, 2011, at 10:55 PM, rick gough wrote: > Sounds to me like, with the BB now out of production, the Challenger should have come in at the same price ..... geez, it's got 4 less drivers! Refinements to the trucks are just natural progression, though should have been gotten right the first time. > > rick gough > mudshark datsun > 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66690	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/23/2011
Subject: Re: AF Challengers tooling...

Dear Rick, I had followed the BB since the CTT review that noticed the X-Y-Z error were the dimensions were not correct for any scale but that the height, width and length were all different scales and the same scale for the loco was not correct for the tender. K-Line sales of the item stagnated once the review came out with dealers dumping inventory for less than they paid for it. I remember on this list someone noting that the CTT review thought the BB was closer to S than O and that a conversion might be possible. The problem in my eyes was that the loco was 18" too tall. The prototype BB was only 1/2" taller than the prototype for the AF UP FEF 4-8-4 (that is a 0.008" difference in S scale height). I saw a video posted of the "L" AF BB on a layout passing a parked AF Challenger (not the correctly named "L" UP 4-6-6-4 recently released but the AF UP FEF 4-8-4). The "L" BB towered over the AF engine. To me it really looked totally wrong, but thats just me... I am sure that someone at "L" realized how desperate that S Gaugers were for a articulated steamer and decided on the UP Challenger. I was so relieved when I saw the production samples at York. A scale proportioned engine is in the spirit of AC Gilbert (read again a 1946 catalog) and really helps promotes S scale. To me, the BB was a way to make BIG BUCK$ off existing tooling and a desperate market.... Don On Nov 23, 2011, at 6:08 PM, rick gough wrote: > Thanks Don for the great explanation. > rick gough [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66691	From: tbennerohio	Date: 11/23/2011
Subject: Re: AF Alcos and Bullfrog Snot

Performance after Bullfrog snot: I couldn't wait more than a day and a half for the BFS to cure, had to run the set tonight. The good - no more wheel slip up the grade. The train slows but gets up and over at a reasonable speed pulling a 364, a 473 and four 960s cars. The 960s cars are about as heavy as aluminum cars because of the electronics onboard for flicker free lighting. I used a monster storage capacitor. Not so good - the increased traction is a double edged sword. It works as well slowing as it does accelerating. So the driver now needs to slow the train to a stop gradually or the momentum of those heavy cars lifts the rear truck of the B unit off the rails. This is prototypical but not much fun with the talking station. Perhaps some practice with slower approaches will help. Regards and a Happy Thanksgiving to all! Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rick gough <racin510@...> wrote: > > Good going. I let the second coat really dry out for several days before running ... don't know if it helps but can't hurt. This stuff takes a lot of abuse so is pretty amazing it stays on as long as it seems to be able to. I do expect it to last less long on the smaller wheels. Have more fun now! > > > rick gough > mudshark datsun > 510 racing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66692	From: steve	Date: 11/23/2011
Subject: Re: wanted: af northern pacific set

Thanks to all that replied. And a big thank you to Gil. I received the trains today and am very thankful for this list. The trains are beautiful and I'm sure dad will be surprised. Thanks again.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66693	From: steve	Date: 11/23/2011
Subject: Re: wanted: af northern pacific set

Thanks to all that replied. And a big thank you to Gil. I received the trains today and am very thankful for this list. The trains are beautiful and I'm sure dad will be surprised. Thanks again.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66694	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 11/24/2011
Subject: lubricating smoke units: was : af 283 choo-choo part

Hi all, One thing to consider here: Does the smoke unit have the early die cast piston, or the later carbon disk piston? The die cast piston can benefit from lubrication—LIGHT lubrication. The carbon disk piston is not to be lubricated, per ACG. The design was meant to be self-lubricating. Spraying tuner cleaner in the cylinder just cleaned out accumulated grunge, freeing up the mechanism. Yes, at the advanced age our locomotives are achieving, there is likely wear on both the cylinder and the piston. At some point we’ll need cylinder liners to restore operation. Hmm, maybe a thin stainless steel tubing?? Don’t eat too much turkey today! S’ DAvid D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66695	From: Jerry	Date: 11/24/2011
Subject: Advice

Guys, I am building a new layout with a mixture of AM and SHS flextrack. I have bench work done, and Homabed roadbed down. What is a recommendation on adhesive to use to affix the track to the roadbed? On my club's display layout, I used construction adhesive for the purpose, but would like to use something less aggressive in case I want to adjust the track without ruining the roadbed or track. In a recent magazine (I can't remember which) I remember reading about a Dap product, but can't remember which one. Does anybody know, or have another suggestion? I started the layout MONTHS ago, and due to house projects, yard work and general "honey do" jobs, not much has been done lately, but after The Holidays, real construction can again proceed! Happy Thanksgiving! Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66696	From: Timboy	Date: 11/24/2011
Subject: Re: Advice

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry" <poniaj@...> wrote: > > Guys, > > I am building a new layout with a mixture of AM and SHS flextrack. I > have bench work done, and Homabed roadbed down. What is a > recommendation on adhesive to use to affix the track to the roadbed? On > my club's display layout, I used construction adhesive for the purpose, > but would like to use something less aggressive in case I want to adjust > the track without ruining the roadbed or track. In a recent magazine (I > can't remember which) I remember reading about a Dap product, but can't > remember which one. Does anybody know, or have another suggestion? > > I started the layout MONTHS ago, and due to house projects, yard work > and general "honey do" jobs, not much has been done lately, but after > The Holidays, real construction can again proceed! > > Happy Thanksgiving! > Jerry > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Jerry, I have heard of guys using double-sided tape for the purpose you mentioned. I'm wondering if anyone on this List can vet this. Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66697	From: Brady	Date: 11/24/2011
Subject: Re: Video- AndermanFlyer S ga. Auto. Siding Display At Toy Train Exp

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups <shoot-all-spammers4@...> wrote: > > VIDEO LINK: http://youtube.com/watch?v=O4mH-uV89HA > > This video shows the 4 ft x 18 ft S-gauge display built by Mark & Doris Anderman, that was part of the Nov 19/20, 2011 Toy Train Expo (ToyTrainExpo.org) in Williamsport, Pa. > Very nice layout, thanks for posting the video. From your post it sounds like there's more life in Williamsport than there was back in the 1970's. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66698	From: Timboy	Date: 11/24/2011
Subject: Re: Video- AndermanFlyer S ga. Auto. Siding Display At Toy Train Exp

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Brady" <brady@...> wrote: > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups <shoot-all-spammers4@> wrote: > > > > VIDEO LINK: http://youtube.com/watch?v=O4mH-uV89HA > > > > This video shows the 4 ft x 18 ft S-gauge display built by Mark & Doris Anderman, that was part of the Nov 19/20, 2011 Toy Train Expo (ToyTrainExpo.org) in Williamsport, Pa. > > > > Very nice layout, thanks for posting the video. > > From your post it sounds like there's more life in Williamsport than there was back in the 1970's. > > > Brady Burdge > Williamsport is the new York. Not to be confused with New York. lol -Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66699	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/24/2011
Subject: Advice

Double sidied tape works, however is problematic in some ways. The regular "Scotch" tape type will not hold well enough and appears to "dry out" after a time and lose stickiness. Of course anything heavier in strength will damage cork roadbed when you try to pull it up. The heavier double sided construction tape from the home improvement store is much stickier, but is thick enough that if you lay it down the track center line, the weight of trains makes the track tend to "teeter" allowing the train to "rock" one way or the other. Therefore two strips should be laid side by side. The tape itself may be thick enought that you won't need roadbed. Another possibility, and VERY sticky is the aheasive sealing tape used along the tops of pick up truck beds to put on "truck caps." It makes nice roadbed that is about the right size, and also quiets noise too, but can be expensive. Of course a silcone caulking compound will work and can be scraped up with a putty knife if you want to change the track location. You don't need the "glues everything to everything" type, the bath tub sealer" will work fine. You can even use small screws to hold the track in place, allowing you to move the track if you want. They also hold the track nicely for ballasting and can be removed after that glue and ballast is dry, letting the ballast hold the track. When I'm sure I know where I want the track to go I use plain old "white glue" for ballasting. Even months after it has dried, you can STILL move the track by soaking the glued ballast until the white glue releases. Of course this also makes cork roadbed swell and crumble, so you still lose it. I'm sure there are other possibilities that others can add that I've forgotten. I appear to have reached the age when remembering everything I've learned has become a problem. :-) Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66700	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/24/2011
Subject: Re: Advice

Dear Jerry, I have been helping one of my friends with his layout and he uses the black tarry roadbed I think it is called instabed. On our flex track (SHS) he uses a couple of tacks on either side of the "X" between the ties, about one every 6 - 8 inches. It works just fine and if you want to move your track you just yank the tacks, pull up the black roadbed and move it over... Don On Nov 24, 2011, at 12:16 PM, Jerry wrote: > Guys, > > I am building a new layout with a mixture of AM and SHS flextrack. I > have bench work done, and Homabed roadbed down. What is a > recommendation on adhesive to use to affix the track to the roadbed? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66701	From: David	Date: 11/24/2011
Subject: PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. 2 Car Decal Set (Advertisement)

Good Evening All, We were asked by some of our clients in the Cincinnati Ohio area to come up with a set of decals for their stock cars with a tounge in cheek theam. So here it is. #1935 PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. (fictious)in a two (2) car set. All text is WHITE on clear film and priced at $14.50 per set which includes shipping in CONUS. To view please go to our album here at the group. Please use the link below to get there: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/list For further info. please CONTACT US OFF GROUP. Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66702	From: rick gough	Date: 11/24/2011
Subject: Re: lubricating smoke units: was : af 283 choo-choo part

I use a light grease coating around the cylinder for added sealing/more sound rather than for lube. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing ________________________________ From: "djdewey@..." <djdewey@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 12:41 PM Subject: [S-Trains] lubricating smoke units: was : af 283 choo-choo part ----- Forwarded Message ----- S-Trains@yahoogroups.com is not on your Guest List | Approve sender | Approve domain | Approve S-Trains@yahoogroups.com   Hi all, One thing to consider here: Does the smoke unit have the early die cast piston, or the later carbon disk piston? The die cast piston can benefit from lubrication—LIGHT lubrication. The carbon disk piston is not to be lubricated, per ACG. The design was meant to be self-lubricating. Spraying tuner cleaner in the cylinder just cleaned out accumulated grunge, freeing up the mechanism. Yes, at the advanced age our locomotives are achieving, there is likely wear on both the cylinder and the piston. At some point we’ll need cylinder liners to restore operation. Hmm, maybe a thin stainless steel tubing?? Don’t eat too much turkey today! S’ DAvid D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66703	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/24/2011
Subject: Fw: British fun

Follow the instructions of the order of the videos to watch. Well worth the 30 minutes. Mike Marmer This is hysterical. Integrates cars and trains. This is a three part episode. The sequence is as follows. Part one begins with the video at the bottom of the page, part two is the top video and the conclusion is shown on the middle video! Use the scroll bar at the side of the page... http://www.flixxy.com/top-gear-trains.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66704	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: S-Trains Chat Room - Please Check Your Login / Registration!

Hello Folks, I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving! One of the things that came to my attention yesterday was that people were unable to register or change their avatars, etc. The Registration Database was found to be corrupt. Don't you just love computers? Anyway, after the problems a couple of years ago I have kept a spare chatroom ready to go! You won't notice any difference, other than some people may need to register again or reset their passwords, and perhaps chose a avatar again. We are using a 2010 version of the Database now! Thanks and look forwarding to seeing you in CHAT! Chuck Harrington http://www.myflyertrains.org/chat/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66705	From: johntech	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: S-Train ChatSite

This is a note I am passing along to those who use the S-Trains chat group. As some of you know the registration part of the chat site was broken. I have spoken to Chuck Harrington and he has fixed the problem by going to an older backup of the log in database. So if you go to the chat site on Sunday and you try to log in and can't please just re-register and all will be good again. I just tried it today and I was able to register. Thank you John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Harrington To: johntech Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 9:58 PM Subject: Re: S-Train ChatSite Hello, I am happy to report that the problem is fixed. The database was corrupt so I am using an older one. Some people will have to re-registor, but it can't be helped. Try registering again please. Thanks, Chuck On Nov 23, 2011, at 9:32 PM, johntech wrote: I'm having trouble registering on your S-Trains Chat site I sent you an email with the trouble error message and the response I got from the Person who wrote the code for the program. I was wondering if you got a change to read my emails and had a change to check out the error messages I sent along. Thank you john Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66706	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: Homosote?

Does anyone know if Lowes or Home Depot still carries homosote for the sound deadening on a lay-out? If not, who does carry this product? Thanks, Mike Leahy Boulder, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66707	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: EZ "S" Scratch Building guide

Thanks to Chuck Harrington, the "Easy S Gauge Scratch Building" guide is now posted on his myflyertrains.org website! Following up on the Kit Bashing guide, this one is directed at those who would like to learn a little scratch building of S gauge rolling stock. This guide makes use of very basic building techniques that were popular way back when I got started building models. It focuses on wooden freight cars because there are already plenty of steel cars availible, and wood cars are easy to build from scratch. This will also allow you to create something different and unique for your railroad from the start, rather than spending lots of time learning the skill before having something special to run and show. I also touch on making simple loads, explain wear and weathering tricks that I use, and as a bonus I show you how to build a battered up "sway back" truss rod flat car that looks like it is one step from the scrap line. You'll also be able to use some of the information to kit bash manufactured rolling stock. Along the way, there are a few stories told and bits of history as well. Some of the photos are small on the website, but you can print the pages out or use a magnifying glass. (I always have a magnifying glass nearby anyway to examine all those "too good to be true" fake photos that people e-mail to me.) It will be tough to get as many hits on this guide as the Kit Bashing guide, but I think many of you will enjoy a look, even if you don't plan to try scratch building. Thanks again to Chuck Harrington for making this possible on My Flyer Trains. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66708	From: Glenn	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: PVMR TRAIN LAYOUTS

The S Gaugers of the PVMR are pleased to announce 2 months of open house for all who are visiting in the Lancaster area. The Pequea Valley Model Railroaders will be operating several train layouts at the Paradise Township Building, 2 Township Drive, Paradise Pa. (Route 30 West of GAP and East of Lancaster) http://www.gartrain.com/PVMRPARADISE2011-2012.html Nov 26 & 27 (our OPEN HOUSE & Train Meet with 3 Operating Displays, 9:00am to 4:00pm each day) Weekends December 3 thru January 29 from 1:00pm to 4:00pm (except Christmas Day). $ 2.00 Adult admission 12 & under free, FREE PARKING. We open with an 8 ft X 18 ft "S" gauge layout, three trains and 2 trolleys, whistles, horns, lights, accessories, most operated with push buttons. Adjacent to that layout our "new" 8 ft X 8 ft "O" layout, largely supported by our friends from WILLIAMS by Bachmann, with three trains/trolleys running. This 1950s style layout features a 7 ft Christmas Tree decorated by our friends at the National Christmas Center. Our friends at Bachmann have made sure THOMAS & Percy will be in the building on our "Island of Sodor" layout and we have found the "Minnow" (Gilligan's Island) washed up on the beach. The National Toy Train Museum is joining in the second thru tenth weekends with an exciting layout addition for you to check out. We are about 8 minutes from National Toy Train Museum, a must see in Lancaster County, PA. PVMR is sponsored by the Paradise TRI-CENNTENIAL Committee, Celebrating 300 Years of Paradise in 2012. Glenn Ritter S Gauger. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66709	From: Carey Probst	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: Re: Video- AndermanFlyer S ga. Auto. Siding Display At Toy Train Exp

Mark also has a very nice layout. Check out http://susquehannasgaugers.com/ Good bunch of people Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 11/24/2011 7:32 PM, Timboy wrote: > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Brady" <brady@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups <shoot-all-spammers4@> wrote: > > > > > > VIDEO LINK: http://youtube.com/watch?v=O4mH-uV89HA > > > > > > This video shows the 4 ft x 18 ft S-gauge display built by Mark & > Doris Anderman, that was part of the Nov 19/20, 2011 Toy Train Expo > (ToyTrainExpo.org) in Williamsport, Pa. > > > > > > > Very nice layout, thanks for posting the video. > > > > From your post it sounds like there's more life in Williamsport than > there was back in the 1970's. > > > > > > Brady Burdge > > > Williamsport is the new York. Not to be confused with New York. lol > > -Timboy > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66710	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: Re: Homosote?

Hi Mike, In Florida, carrying that sort of thing is at the store manager's discretion. The main Home Depot site has not been helpful. Down here, I must go to independent stores to find it. However, I see the Homasote people at a trade show every year and they are very helpful. I would suggest that you contact them (http://www.homasote.com/) and check for a business that carries it in Boulder. Of course, if you hear from someone who has seen it there, that would be even better. Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 11/25/2011 10:15 AM, Ruth A Leahy wrote: > Does anyone know if Lowes or Home Depot still carries homosote for the sound deadening on a lay-out? If not, who does carry this product? > > Thanks, > > Mike Leahy > Boulder, CO >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66711	From: Timboy	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: Re: Homosote?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> wrote: > > Does anyone know if Lowes or Home Depot still carries homosote for the sound deadening on a lay-out? If not, who does carry this product? > > Thanks, > > Mike Leahy > Boulder, CO > Mike, To my knowledge, they do not stock it any longer. However, I have found and have used a very similar product. I believe it is for outside wall insulation or maybe an under-the-floor insulation board. It is not styrofoam. It appears to have a very similar composition to homosote and is the same thickness, sold by the sheet. It cuts just as easily as homosote. It has a black matte finish and takes paint very well. After using it, I actually prefer it to homosote. It makes an excellent table topping over lumber and would make an excellent roadbed. Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66712	From: mike boyd	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: Re: Homosote?

Here in Calif. Home Depot and Lowes carry a product called soundboard, similar??? --- On Fri, 11/25/11, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote: From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Homosote? To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 25, 2011, 11:18 AM --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> wrote: > > Does anyone know if Lowes or Home Depot still carries homosote for the sound deadening on a lay-out?  If not, who does carry this product? > > Thanks, > > Mike Leahy > Boulder, CO > Mike, To my knowledge, they do not stock it any longer.  However, I have found and have used a very similar product.  I believe it is for outside wall insulation or maybe an under-the-floor insulation board.  It is not styrofoam.  It appears to have a very similar composition to homosote and is the same thickness, sold by the sheet.  It cuts just as easily as homosote.  It has a black matte finish and takes paint very well.  After using it, I actually prefer it to homosote.  It makes an excellent table topping over lumber and would make an excellent roadbed. Regards, Timboy ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66713	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: Homosote?

Tim reminded me of something I tried for a layout in the sixties. Homasote was kind of expensive, even then, so I looked for a similar material. Around here contractors used to use tons of an insulation board called "Celotex." Similar to Homasote, it was supposedly made of pressed sugar cane or corn stalks instead of wood, hense the name. It was coated black on both sides and was used outside exterior wall studding, behind house siding. As I recall, it was about 3/8" to 1/2" thick. I went to construction sites and asked for free cut offs from the carpenters, otherwise they just burned it as scrap. The price was right, but the product was not. In use for sub road bed on an HO "cookie cutter" layout, it cut easily with a hand saw, but left tons of messy crumbled "sawdust" and didn't have a smooth edge. It was also heavy and broke fairly easily, so I only used it once. Obviously we didn't have the hobby options then that we do today! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66714	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: Re: Homosote?

Hi Mike, � American Models stocks Homabed which is "S" Scale roadbed and it is most likey made of Homosote. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 10:15 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Homosote?   Does anyone know if Lowes or Home Depot still carries homosote for the sound deadening on a lay-out? If not, who does carry this product? Thanks, Mike Leahy Boulder, CO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66715	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: Re: S-Train ChatSite

Well, I tried to re-register and it still doesn't work for me. Steve In a message dated 11/25/2011 6:28:26 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, beebear@... writes: This is a note I am passing along to those who use the S-Trains chat group. As some of you know the registration part of the chat site was broken. I have spoken to Chuck Harrington and he has fixed the problem by going to an older backup of the log in database. So if you go to the chat site on Sunday and you try to log in and can't please just re-register and all will be good again. I just tried it today and I was able to register. Thank you John Frankforther ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Harrington To: johntech Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 9:58 PM Subject: Re: S-Train ChatSite Hello, I am happy to report that the problem is fixed. The database was corrupt so I am using an older one. Some people will have to re-registor, but it can't be helped. Try registering again please. Thanks, Chuck On Nov 23, 2011, at 9:32 PM, johntech wrote: I'm having trouble registering on your S-Trains Chat site I sent you an email with the trouble error message and the response I got from the Person who wrote the code for the program. I was wondering if you got a change to read my emails and had a change to check out the error messages I sent along. Thank you john Frankforther [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66716	From: Herb Cotter	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: Re: Advice

Instead of adhesive, I have used a 23 gauge pin nailer using my air compressor.   Laying track is very fast, and if you need to change the track you can (carefully) pull the pins through the ties with a large putty knife or sheet rock taping blade.  So far I have put down about 150' of SHS track and a smaller quantity of AM flex track using this technique. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66717	From: Dave	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. 2 Car Reefer Decal Set (Advertisement)

Well, it didn't take long for the group to ask for a reefer car set to go with the stock car set of decals for the PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. Now you can have your swine coming and going ;o). Perhaps a packing house diarama is in your future. Please use the link below to view this new set: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/361330399/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc The new set has WHITE TEXT with a FULL COLOR LOGO. For further info. please contact us OFF GROUP. Thank you all for your continuing support and SUPER IDEAS. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc 502-292-1872

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66718	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: Re: PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. 2 Car Reefer Decal Set (Advertisement)

I hope Porkopolis Packing does not make mistakes like in real food service that occurred to me once. I was in Food Service sales for 20 years, before I killed my back in 1999. I had a very big St. Louis Rib customer in Georgetown, Washington DC. They got a delivery from my company on a Friday and instead of 20 cases of ribs, at 30 lbs. each box, they got 20 cases of pork ears! We do not carry pork ears to sell to restaurants! Soooooo, I had to bring them 20 cases of ribs in my car, park in front of the place on M St. no parking and exchange the boxes. then I had to truck back to Baltimore with 20 cases of “hot” pork ears in my car. If I got hungry, I could just munch on a pig ear. Goes good with taco sauce. Makes for great gifts too. LOL Mike Marmer From: Dave Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 4:40 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. 2 Car Reefer Decal Set (Advertisement) Well, it didn't take long for the group to ask for a reefer car set to go with the stock car set of decals for the PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. Now you can have your swine coming and going ;o). Perhaps a packing house diarama is in your future. Please use the link below to view this new set: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/361330399/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc The new set has WHITE TEXT with a FULL COLOR LOGO. For further info. please contact us OFF GROUP. Thank you all for your continuing support and SUPER IDEAS. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc 502-292-1872 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66719	From: Timboy	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: Re: Homosote?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Tim reminded me of something I tried for a layout in the sixties. Homasote was kind of expensive, even then, so I looked for a similar material. > Around here contractors used to use tons of an insulation board called "Celotex." Similar to Homasote, it was supposedly made of pressed sugar cane or corn stalks instead of wood, hense the name. It was coated black on both sides and was used outside exterior wall studding, behind house siding. As I recall, it was about 3/8" to 1/2" thick. > I went to construction sites and asked for free cut offs from the carpenters, otherwise they just burned it as scrap. The price was right, but the product was not. In use for sub road bed on an HO "cookie cutter" layout, it cut easily with a hand saw, but left tons of messy crumbled "sawdust" and didn't have a smooth edge. It was also heavy and broke fairly easily, so I only used it once. > Obviously we didn't have the hobby options then that we do today! > Stumpy in Ahia > Stumpy... That may be the product I have used. Next time I am at Lowes, I will look at the product name and report back to the S Nation (am I the first to use this term?). Meanwhile, what others may consider waste, I may consider "obtanium". lol That sawdust-like waste you mentioned can be a prime material in my "oatmeal" recipe I relied heavily upon to build my layout. Here is a link to that area on my blog: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/2011/02/my-oatmeal-recipes.html Please note that the pesky waste from cutting that insulation board can freely be substituted for the blown-in insulation material on my "oatmeal" recipe, as can conventional sawdust, for that matter. I hope this helps fellow Flyer Guys! Regards, Timboy, The Gleaner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66720	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: Re: PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. 2 Car Reefer Decal Set (Advertisement)

Mike, I hear that Santa keeps a list of those who are naughty and those who are nice. I suspect that a pig ear would be the perfect gift for someone who is gnaw-ty. (LOL) Jerry F. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 4:03 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: Thomas Bianculli; Bill Zide; Steve Conard; John Picur; John Tancredi; Joseph Lechner; Don Conard; Jim Hartley; John Cangemi; JohnWarren; Ron & Sandy; Ted Miller Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. 2 Car Reefer Decal Set (Advertisement) I hope Porkopolis Packing does not make mistakes like in real food service that occurred to me once. I was in Food Service sales for 20 years, before I killed my back in 1999. I had a very big St. Louis Rib customer in Georgetown, Washington DC. They got a delivery from my company on a Friday and instead of 20 cases of ribs, at 30 lbs. each box, they got 20 cases of pork ears! We do not carry pork ears to sell to restaurants! Soooooo, I had to bring them 20 cases of ribs in my car, park in front of the place on M St. no parking and exchange the boxes. then I had to truck back to Baltimore with 20 cases of “hot” pork ears in my car. If I got hungry, I could just munch on a pig ear. Goes good with taco sauce. Makes for great gifts too. LOL Mike Marmer From: Dave Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 4:40 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. 2 Car Reefer Decal Set (Advertisement) Well, it didn't take long for the group to ask for a reefer car set to go with the stock car set of decals for the PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. Now you can have your swine coming and going ;o). Perhaps a packing house diarama is in your future. Please use the link below to view this new set: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/361330399/view?picmode= <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/361330399/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc> &mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc The new set has WHITE TEXT with a FULL COLOR LOGO. For further info. please contact us OFF GROUP. Thank you all for your continuing support and SUPER IDEAS. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc 502-292-1872 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66721	From: Timboy	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: AC v DC

To The S Nation: Please forgive a couple of back-to-back posts. Not real good etiquette on my part. However, there have been private inquiries on my conversion from AC to DC. I feel that several points need to be made public: 1) I use a heat sink on the main rectifier for track voltage. I believe that has saved me from a burn-out or worse on at least one occasion when I got some wiring wrong deep in my wiring matrix. I'm still puzzled as to why the system still worked, albeit at about 1/2 power. Must have been back feed. 2) I take a 12 gauge feed from the common base post wire directly to the grounding prong on a 3-prong plug into my home electrical circuit. I leave the other two spades on that plug vacant. I believe that protects me against any short circuit within the transformers between their primary and secondary coils because 120v will seek the path of less resistance. Unless I am standing barefoot in a tub of saltwater, that course will be to the house panel ground instead of through me(don't give wife ideas). Regards, Timboy, The Safety Officer On Deck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66722	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 11/25/2011
Subject: Re: Homosote?

gentlemen: i believe the product you are looking for is manufactured by "california roadbed", their web site is "homabed.com", their product is of the highest quality and consistency regards On Nov 25, 2011, at 11:02 AM, Bill Porter wrote: > Hi Mike, > > In Florida, carrying that sort of thing is at the store manager's > discretion. The main Home Depot site has not been helpful. Down > here, I > must go to independent stores to find it. However, I see the Homasote > people at a trade show every year and they are very helpful. I would > suggest that you contact them (http://www.homasote.com/) and check > for a > business that carries it in Boulder. Of course, if you hear from > someone > who has seen it there, that would be even better. > > Bill > > Bill Porter > South Florida > > On 11/25/2011 10:15 AM, Ruth A Leahy wrote: > > Does anyone know if Lowes or Home Depot still carries homosote > for the sound deadening on a lay-out? If not, who does carry this > product? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mike Leahy > > Boulder, CO > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66723	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: Re: PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. 2 Car Reefer Decal Set (Advertisement)

Jerry, Who me? Ahh, and you all think things are unclean in RRs maybe, like stock cars, the stories I can tell you all about restaurants, from the dumps to the five star places. Bon Appetite. Mike From: Gerald Feldman Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 8:22 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. 2 Car Reefer Decal Set (Advertisement) Mike, I hear that Santa keeps a list of those who are naughty and those who are nice. I suspect that a pig ear would be the perfect gift for someone who is gnaw-ty. (LOL) Jerry F. Jerry Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66724	From: Herbert	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: AF Layout

The large American Flyer layout at the Eli Whitney Museum in Hamden, Ct. (AC's home town) will be open to the public through mid-January, if anyone is interested. Nice place to take the kids. Herb W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66725	From: Don Thompson	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: Re: SHS latest update posted online

Bill Clark has posted our latest SHS Update with a current order form. More information about our situation with Kader Industries, the canceling of our 2010 Christmas Car and the upcoming release of the QSI DCC Titan diesel sound decoders next week. The BOGOF sale continues and includes items that should be shipping next week from Hong Kong. We are all surprised by how many DCC sound switchers we are now selling as part of the sale. We also sold more Lenz 100 DCC sets than the previous 11 months. Please take a look at: http://showcaseline.com/ Don Thompson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66726	From: rapidrail1	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: Hommasote

None of the big box stores in my part of Virginia have ever carried Hommasote. Luckily, after reirement I worked for a local, independent lumber company who was able to order it by the sheet. Unfortunately, after 110 years in business the poor economy and big box stores are putting them, and the other independents who actually provide service out of business based on price only. So once the big box, know nothing stores have put all the service oriented independent stores out of business, good luck finding a product like Hommasote. The "deer in the headlight store" employees at the big box stores won't know what you are talking about. And speaking of celotex, be careful of using that stuff and anything else with a black finish on one or both sides. That black in asphalt or creasote to keep moister from coming through the walls or floor of a house. It is highly combustible and meant to be sandwiched between other building products, like sheetrock or siding, to protect it from fire. My suggestion is like Tom's get the homaroadbed from someone or order homasote from and independent dealer while they are still a few around. Or, if you just want to play with a big box employee, ask them about it and watch the "deer in the headlight" look on their face. Then give them a Christmas ornament to ring up to make them feel like they know something. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> wrote: > > Hello Folks, > > I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving! > > One of the things that came to my attention yesterday was that people were unable to register or change their avatars, etc. > > The Registration Database was found to be corrupt. Don't you just love computers? > > Anyway, after the problems a couple of years ago I have kept a spare chatroom ready to go! You won't notice any difference, other than some people may need to register again or reset their passwords, and perhaps chose a avatar again. > > We are using a 2010 version of the Database now! > > Thanks and look forwarding to seeing you in CHAT! > > Chuck Harrington > http://www.myflyertrains.org/chat/ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66727	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: Re: PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. 2 Car Reefer Decal Set (Advertisement)

Mike,      As soon as it clears the moderator we are having a three (3) day special for both of the PORKOPOLIS PACKING COMPANY decal sets. Maybe you need to add a packing company to your layout ;o) Dave LBR Enterprises, llc --- On Fri, 11/25/11, Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. 2 Car Reefer Decal Set (Advertisement) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 25, 2011, 9:35 PM   Jerry, Who me? Ahh, and you all think things are unclean in RRs maybe, like stock cars, the stories I can tell you all about restaurants, from the dumps to the five star places. Bon Appetite. Mike From: Gerald Feldman Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 8:22 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. 2 Car Reefer Decal Set (Advertisement) Mike, I hear that Santa keeps a list of those who are naughty and those who are nice. I suspect that a pig ear would be the perfect gift for someone who is gnaw-ty. (LOL) Jerry F. Jerry Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66728	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: Re: PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. 2 Car Reefer Decal Set (Advertisement)

Dave, Thanks, then I can be completely reminded of my experience with 600 pounds of pig ears in my car, frozen. Harry Chapin had 30,000 pounds of bananas in Scranton, PA, I had 600 lbs. of Pig Ears in Washington DC. On March 18, 1965, on Moosic Street in Scranton, a tractor-trailer carrying 15 tons of bananas lost control in rush hour traffic, hitting cars, houses, and wire poles before crashing into a home. The driver, Eugene P. Sesky (35), was killed and over 15 people were injured. In 1974, Harry Chapin ( more famous for his song "Cat's in the Cradle,") told the story of the tragic events of 1965 in the city of Scranton, in his song "30,000 Pounds of Bananas." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZZqnVYB4UA Not a train song, but a truck song. Yes, I wish I had room for a meat packing plant, been to one before, not a pretty site. Mike From: Dave at LBR Enterprises Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:08 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. 2 Car Reefer Decal Set (Advertisement) Mike, As soon as it clears the moderator we are having a three (3) day special for both of the PORKOPOLIS PACKING COMPANY decal sets. Maybe you need to add a packing company to your layout ;o) Dave LBR Enterprises, llc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66729	From: Dave	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: PORKOPOLIS Special Offer (Advertisement)

As a way of giving everyone here at the group an early Christmas present we are offering this group and ONLY THIS GROUP a special deal on our sets (#1935 - Stock Car, 2 car set & #1961 - Refrigerator Car, 2 car set)of "PORKOPOLIS PACKING COMPANY" decals. This is for three (3) days only (Nov. 26-27-28). The regular price is $33.00 for both sets. We are offering the group both sets for $21.00 which includes shipping via USPS FIRST CLASS MAIL. To take advantage of this offer you must use code "LBR21" and Email us at dave@... We will invoice you through PAY PAL for $21.00 for each combined (#1935 & #1961) offer requested. To view the sets here at our group album please use the link below: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/list Thank you all for your continuing support. "The Crew At LBR" Dave LBR Enterprises, llc 502-292-1872

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66730	From: Dave in Maryland	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: SnS web site

When I try to bring up SnS-trains.com I get the following message: "SnS-trains.com contains malware. Your computer might catch a virus if you visit this site." Do I have the web address? Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66731	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: Passenger cars

Hi all: I think I asked earlier if anyone has had any experience in buying and building the Scenery Unlimited 60' passenger cars with clerestory roof, resin cast sides, etc. plus additional details. Any comments, reviews, etc? Thanks very much if anyone has any information. You can send it either directly to me or to the group. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66732	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: Carolinas Division ACSG Upcoming Schedule

The Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers is continuing its hectic schedule through December and into 2012. After running at the Neuse River Valley Model Railroad Show on November 5-6, the Pocohantas Divivision NMRA Show in Bluefield, WV on November 12-13,, and Thompson's Old-Fashioned Train Show in Winston-Salem, NC on November 20, their upcoming schedule is shown below:     Nov 26 & 27 A Railroad Christmas 9 am to 4 pm each day NC Transportation Museum, Spencer, NC Dec 3 & 4 TCA Meet State Fairgrounds, Raleigh, NC Dec 3 - 18 Kannapolis Winter Festival 6 pm to 9 pm each day Kannapolis, NC Dec 10 & 11 Dec 17 & 18 A Railroad Christmas 9 am to 4 pm each day NC Transportation Museum, Spencer, NC Feb 18 & 19 C & O Historical Society Train Show (w/ Tidewater Div.) Clifton Forge, VA March 3 & 4 Carolina Coastal Railroaders Show (w/ Tidewater Div.) New Bern, NC March 31 & April 1 Great Train Expo Winston-Salem, NC You may ask how we can be at 2 places at the same time. Well, with our new Super 8 Layout, we can be at two different shows the same weekend. The Super 8 will be at the TCA Show and at the Spencer shows, while the full modular layout will be at Kannapolis, Clifton Forge, New Bern, and the Great Train Expo. To see our new Super 8 layout, which can be set up in less than 45 minutes and tears down even quicker, go to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFlAEmWSeSQ. Joe Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.#########################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.######################.American Flyer Parts Dealer ###################Authorized Lionel Service Center################### ............Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,300 part numbers............ American Models.###.DesPlaines Hobbies.###.S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@....#####XX######.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66733	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: SnS web site

There is nothing wrong with the SnS Trains website. This is an ongoing screw up at Google. Yahoo works fine. I just went there and Comcast gave me no flag either. Steve has had this problem before with Google and they seem unable to get their act together. I've used SnS can motors for years and Steve has excellent products and services. Don't overlook him. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66734	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: San Diego S-Gaugers window layout

Our club has launched a window layout for our clubhouse:       https://sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home/window-layout-for-kids We have yet to do the landscaping, but the initial response has been terrific! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66735	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: Re: SnS web site

Nothing wrong with my web site Steve SnS In a message dated 11/26/2011 7:20:16 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, davidhighmd@... writes: When I try to bring up SnS-trains.com I get the following message: "SnS-trains.com contains malware. Your computer might catch a virus if you visit this site." Do I have the web address? Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66736	From: brendakenchris	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: Re: PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. 2 Car Reefer Decal Set (Advertisement)

Mike, Very Funny story about the pig ear mixup. Sorry about your back trouble, never fun. The story reminded me of a shippers mixup way back when I worked in a defense firm. We were buying Silicone foam rubber molding compound, really new stuff in 1969 and expensive, about $125 a pound from the Mfgr's pilot plant. Had a very short shelf life of about 12 days from the made date to the we are done molding date. Lost a shippment, looked all over our facility, called the shipper, all to no avail...untill we discovered two unusual boxes in receiving with the shipping papers from the manufacturer...about one month later. A shippment of foam padded bras sent to the JC Penny warehouse in Dallas, Tx. only we were in Kansas City MO. Well, foam for foam, who knew back then? Ken Christiansen --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I hope Porkopolis Packing does not make mistakes like in real food service that occurred to me once. > > I was in Food Service sales for 20 years, before I killed my back in 1999. > > I had a very big St. Louis Rib customer in Georgetown, Washington DC. > > They got a delivery from my company on a Friday and instead of 20 cases of ribs, at 30 lbs. each box, they got 20 cases of pork ears! We do not carry pork ears to sell to restaurants! > > Soooooo, I had to bring them 20 cases of ribs in my car, park in front of the place on M St. no parking and exchange the boxes. > > then I had to truck back to Baltimore with 20 cases of “hot” pork ears in my car. > > If I got hungry, I could just munch on a pig ear. Goes good with taco sauce. > > Makes for great gifts too. LOL > > Mike Marmer > > From: Dave > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 4:40 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. 2 Car Reefer Decal Set (Advertisement) > > > Well, it didn't take long for the group to ask for a reefer car set to go with the stock car set of decals for the PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. Now you can have your swine coming and going ;o). Perhaps a packing house diarama is in your future. Please use the link below to view this new set: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/361330399/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc > > The new set has WHITE TEXT with a FULL COLOR LOGO. > For further info. please contact us OFF GROUP. > Thank you all for your continuing support and SUPER IDEAS. > Dave > LBR Enterprises, llc > 502-292-1872 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66737	From: Timboy	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: One Way To Internally Wire a 751 Log Loader

Members of the Flyer Nation, This question gets posted periodically and never gets answered. I believe I have a workable answer. I was able to internally wire my Log Loader so that it works off of a 2-button controller. I made a write-up on my blog and here is a direct link to it: http://timmysamericanflyertrai...ly-wire-751-log.html I developed the narrative in my blog post by experimenting on my own 751 Log Loader. I will not claim that my method of wiring was THE factory's method, but my method works on my 751, so I am satisfied. I hope this is of value to you. Please let me know if you have any questions or need further clarification. Also, if anyone else has another wiring method for the 751 Log Loader, please don't hesitate to share. Regards, Timboy, A Member Of The American Flyer Nation

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66738	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: Re: Hommasote

The last two sheets of Homosote PVMR purchased were cut diagonally on the ends. Trouble to work with, lost an hour squaring it, we cut one end square, the other end is short. Poor Q C if any. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66739	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: Re: Passenger cars

Please reply to the group. I have been looking at them as well. Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 11/26/2011 10:55 AM, Rance Velapoldi wrote: > Hi all: > I think I asked earlier if anyone has had any experience in buying and > building the Scenery Unlimited 60' passenger cars with clerestory roof, > resin cast sides, etc. plus additional details. Any comments, reviews, etc? > Thanks very much if anyone has any information. You can send it either > directly to me or to the group. > Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66740	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/27/2011, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 66741	From: Timboy	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: Re: One Way To Internally Wire a 751 Log Loader

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > Members of the Flyer Nation, > > This question gets posted periodically and never gets answered. I believe I have a workable answer. I was able to internally wire my Log Loader so that it works off of a 2-button controller. I made a write-up on my blog and here is a direct link to it: > > http://timmysamericanflyertrai...ly-wire-751-log.html > > I developed the narrative in my blog post by experimenting on my own 751 Log Loader. I will not claim that my method of wiring was THE factory's method, but my method works on my 751, so I am satisfied. > > I hope this is of value to you. Please let me know if you have any questions or need further clarification. Also, if anyone else has another wiring method for the 751 Log Loader, please don't hesitate to share. > > Regards, > Timboy, A Member Of The American Flyer Nation > Turns out that the link I posted didn't make it. I'll try again: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/2011/11/one-way-to-internally-wire-751-log.html If THAT link doesn't come through, then here is an abbreviated way, via my main blog: http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ Just click on "Tips, Tricks and Techniques". Amazing the amount of people who don't know how to navigate a blog or doctor-up a posted link to work.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66742	From: johntech	Date: 11/26/2011
Subject: Re: SnS web site

Hi Dave Just copy this link and paste it in the address bar at the top of Internet Explorer http://sns-trains.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave in Maryland To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 9:11 AM Subject: [S-Trains] SnS web site When I try to bring up SnS-trains.com I get the following message: "SnS-trains.com contains malware. Your computer might catch a virus if you visit this site." Do I have the web address? Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66743	From: clayton	Date: 11/27/2011
Subject: Re: Some time back one of you was in England on a trip....

Do any of you care to see a few photo from over in York's museum in England? I know some of you would like to keep this American Flyer, and that why I''m asking? They are also having a time with keeping kid in to toy train as we ares. On the Sunday that I went to see this the kids looked like all they needed was a push to have a feel for trains. Clayton --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "clayton" <uvl97222@...> wrote: > > Hi, I'm going in to Leeds to catch a train to York to see the train museum on Sunday. I will be taking some photos. Any one want to add to my quest? Also, a big hello to my friend down under - Alister... > > Scott D. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66744	From: Carey Probst	Date: 11/27/2011
Subject: Re: SnS web site

I get the same issue if Google is my search engine but not an issue with any other search engine. If you are using Firefox, go to tools/options/security and uncheck the block reported attack sites box. The problem is Google, not SNS Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 11/26/2011 7:38 PM, johntech wrote: > > Hi Dave > > Just copy this link and paste it in the address bar at the top of > Internet Explorer > > http://sns-trains.com/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dave in Maryland > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 9:11 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] SnS web site > > When I try to bring up SnS-trains.com I get the following message: > "SnS-trains.com contains malware. Your computer might catch a virus if > you visit this site." Do I have the web address? Thanks. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66745	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/27/2011
Subject: 24003 SF Box Car revisited

A couple of years ago, I was trying to find a 24003 SF box car, to complete the 1958 set with the 21145 engine, as this set has 13 or 12 cars in it. This was the last car I needed and it took me forever to finally get one. Went to many Yorks, no one had one, a few where sold on eBay, and I lost every time, as one went for 150.00!!!!! Bob Iannacone sent me one from his collection and did not want any money for it, as I wrote about that. that was very kind of Bob, as in return, I sent Toys for Tots, a extra 75.00 in Bob’s name, as Toys for Tots is one of my annual charities I give to. Anyway, I kidded that gee, someday I will need another one, since I am working on collecting pieces to make all the sets for 1958. Getting there. Yes, there is a 21155 Docksider with 3 cars in the set and one is the famous 24003 SF box car. Last week, I saw one on eBay again, and I figure, okay, let me bid for it, since I will need it in time. Well, I was the only bidder and I won it for 45.00 as it is in E condition. A really nice looking car. Sooooo, you never know what the market for any one item is doing. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66746	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 11/27/2011
Subject: Re: Some time back one of you was in England on a trip....

I am sure many of us would be interested Clayton - its at least more relevant than some of the stuff on sports etc that we get on this board. It is after all one of the top railroad museums in the world. Alistair On Sun 27/11/11 8:37 PM , "clayton" uvl97222@... sent: Do any of you care to see a few photo from over in York's museum in England? I know some of you would like to keep this American Flyer, and that why I''m asking? They are also having a time with keeping kid in to toy train as we ares. On the Sunday that I went to see this the kids looked like all they needed was a push to have a feel for trains. Clayton --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1], "clayton" wrote: > > Hi, I'm going in to Leeds to catch a train to York to see the train museum on Sunday. I will be taking some photos. Any one want to add to my quest? Also, a big hello to my friend down under - Alister... > > Scott D. > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] mailto:uvl97222@...?subject=Re:%20Some%20time%20back%20one%20of%20you%20was%20in%20England%20on%20a%20trip.... [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20Some%20time%20back%20one%20of%20you%20was%20in%20England%20on%20a%20trip.... [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvNW1laHVxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2Njc0MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjIzOTc2MTk-?act=reply&messageNum=66743 [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjYzRnOGVtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjIzOTc2MTk- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/66586;_ylc=X3oDMTM0cTNyOGthBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2Njc0MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjIzOTc2MTkEdHBjSWQDNjY1ODY- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkaTN1ZDByBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzIyMzk3NjE5?o=6 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNW50MGRrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzIyMzk3NjE5 [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjbGlycW43BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMjIzOTc2MTk- [10] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [11] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15okank51/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1322404819/L=f74c9c34-18f4-11e1-a47f-9f361840dca2/B=uevIDtBDRqg-/J=1322397619802554/K=azWcfsBrWvSisq9iWnBtHQ/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*<a href= [12] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiYnVldG1vBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMyMjM5NzYxOQ-- [13] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional [14] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest [15] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [16] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66747	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 11/27/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 11/27/2011, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 66748	From: Bob Iannacone	Date: 11/27/2011
Subject: Re: 24003 SF Box Car revisited

Hi Michael. I’m happy that you found another 24003 Boxcar for your collection. However, and far more important was your generous contribution of $75.00, in my name to Toys for Tots. This exceptional deed on your part to a great children’s military charity was awesome. You are most thoughtful and I hope that you are feeling better after your recent surgeries. You don’t deserve to be in pain. I thank you again for your kindness, and urge fellow S-Gauger’s to consider donating to the Toys for Tots program. You may influence a future generation of Flyer followers. Hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving. Bob Iannacone From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 11:38 AM To: S Trains Cc: Bill Zide Subject: [S-Trains] 24003 SF Box Car revisited A couple of years ago, I was trying to find a 24003 SF box car, to complete the 1958 set with the 21145 engine, as this set has 13 or 12 cars in it. This was the last car I needed and it took me forever to finally get one. Went to many Yorks, no one had one, a few where sold on eBay, and I lost every time, as one went for 150.00!!!!! Bob Iannacone sent me one from his collection and did not want any money for it, as I wrote about that. that was very kind of Bob, as in return, I sent Toys for Tots, a extra 75.00 in Bob’s name, as Toys for Tots is one of my annual charities I give to. Anyway, I kidded that gee, someday I will need another one, since I am working on collecting pieces to make all the sets for 1958. Getting there. Yes, there is a 21155 Docksider with 3 cars in the set and one is the famous 24003 SF box car. Last week, I saw one on eBay again, and I figure, okay, let me bid for it, since I will need it in time. Well, I was the only bidder and I won it for 45.00 as it is in E condition. A really nice looking car. Sooooo, you never know what the market for any one item is doing. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66749	From: Timboy	Date: 11/27/2011
Subject: Re: AC v DC

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > To The S Nation: > > Please forgive a couple of back-to-back posts. Not real good etiquette on my part. However, there have been private inquiries on my conversion from AC to DC. I feel that several points need to be made public: 1) I use a heat sink on the main rectifier for track voltage. I believe that has saved me from a burn-out or worse on at least one occasion when I got some wiring wrong deep in my wiring matrix. I'm still puzzled as to why the system still worked, albeit at about 1/2 power. Must have been back feed. 2) I take a 12 gauge feed from the common base post wire directly to the grounding prong on a 3-prong plug into my home electrical circuit. I leave the other two spades on that plug vacant. I believe that protects me against any short circuit within the transformers between their primary and secondary coils because 120v will seek the path of less resistance. Unless I am standing barefoot in a tub of saltwater, that course will be to the house panel ground instead of through me(don't give wife ideas). > > Regards, > Timboy, The Safety Officer On Deck > Flyer Nation: Over everyone's heads? Timboy, The Member of the Flyer Nation Who Is Always Pushing The Envelope - Even After All These Years of Everyone Saying That Everything That Can Be Done With Flyer Has Already Been Done. Stumpy: Did I just "One-Up" You On Tag Lines? lol

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66750	From: robert hendrickson	Date: 11/27/2011
Subject: Re: 24003 SF Box Car revisited

I went to the Greenberg show in Edison earlier today. There was a smattering of new Flyonel as well as a few guys with used stuff. A few vendors must have been smoking some wacky weed because you needed to be high to ask their prices. They were asking prices for mint like new stuff for junk and unwilling to negotiate. I would have purchased several thing for parts or repaint but when you want 35.00 for a beat up 639 and won't budge my money and I are going home. I guess they were trying to take advantage of holiday impulse buyers.   Bob ________________________________ From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: S Trains <s-trains@...> Cc: Bill Zide <Wjzwjz@...> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 12:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 24003 SF Box Car revisited   A couple of years ago, I was trying to find a 24003 SF box car, to complete the 1958 set with the 21145 engine, as this set has 13 or 12 cars in it. This was the last car I needed and it took me forever to finally get one. Went to many Yorks, no one had one, a few where sold on eBay, and I lost every time, as one went for 150.00!!!!! Bob Iannacone sent me one from his collection and did not want any money for it, as I wrote about that. that was very kind of Bob, as in return, I sent Toys for Tots, a extra 75.00 in Bob’s name, as Toys for Tots is one of my annual charities I give to. Anyway, I kidded that gee, someday I will need another one, since I am working on collecting pieces to make all the sets for 1958. Getting there. Yes, there is a 21155 Docksider with 3 cars in the set and one is the famous 24003 SF box car. Last week, I saw one on eBay again, and I figure, okay, let me bid for it, since I will need it in time. Well, I was the only bidder and I won it for 45.00 as it is in E condition. A really nice looking car. Sooooo, you never know what the market for any one item is doing. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66751	From: Timboy	Date: 11/27/2011
Subject: A New Use For An Old Car

To The Flyer Nation; Take a log loader car and load an auto on it. When you get to the unload point, just flip it right off the car. Instant beater car. Paint pecans (in their shells) gold and load them up at a body snatcher sekrit location. Unload them at a closed-down Fringe warehouse. I have placed a car activation trip on a bridge and unloaded a Guilford Passenger Car into the muck below. How many other comic or sick re-uses can you list for action cars? Have you ever plowed through a Cow-on-the-Track and made hamburger? I realize this is kinda "out there" for most conservative toy train people. Regards, Timboy, The Right-Side Thinker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66752	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/27/2011
Subject: Re: 24003 SF Box Car revisited

Hi Bob, thank you for the kind words, as your kindness to me last year will never be forgotten. It was my honor to do that for you, since you refuse to take money from me for the car, as I told you last year I was going to do that then. And yes, Toys for Tots got my annual gift this year in October. Knee is coming along, thanks. a lot of work, but it will be worth it in the end. Thanksgiving was good, as I hope you and all had a good one too. Mike From: Bob Iannacone Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 4:53 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Cc: 'Bill Zide' Subject: RE: [S-Trains] 24003 SF Box Car revisited Hi Michael. I’m happy that you found another 24003 Boxcar for your collection. However, and far more important was your generous contribution of $75.00, in my name to Toys for Tots. This exceptional deed on your part to a great children’s military charity was awesome. You are most thoughtful and I hope that you are feeling better after your recent surgeries. You don’t deserve to be in pain. I thank you again for your kindness, and urge fellow S-Gauger’s to consider donating to the Toys for Tots program. You may influence a future generation of Flyer followers. Hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving. Bob Iannacone [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66753	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 11/27/2011
Subject: Re: A New Use For An Old Car

Timboy, Freight isn't handled very well in Flyerville (or Lionel/Marxville for that matter) so who know what the goods will look like when they get there :-) Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66754	From: R G	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: A New Use For An Old Car

My wife renamed the "cow" hamburger on the "cow on track" accessory  when my son plowed it down about 10 years ago!  You could load scrap metal with the crane into a log unloader car and dump it at the location of your choice.  I like your idea of unloading scrap or "nice" cars from the log unloading car.   Pecan shells for the body snatchers pods, now that is definately thinking out side the box.  Thats too funny!   ________________________________ From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 8:00 PM Subject: [S-Trains] A New Use For An Old Car   To The Flyer Nation; Take a log loader car and load an auto on it. When you get to the unload point, just flip it right off the car. Instant beater car. Paint pecans (in their shells) gold and load them up at a body snatcher sekrit location. Unload them at a closed-down Fringe warehouse. I have placed a car activation trip on a bridge and unloaded a Guilford Passenger Car into the muck below. How many other comic or sick re-uses can you list for action cars? Have you ever plowed through a Cow-on-the-Track and made hamburger? I realize this is kinda "out there" for most conservative toy train people. Regards, Timboy, The Right-Side Thinker [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66755	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Scratch Building guide posted

It appears, from what I have been told, that several things have been "lost in the shuffle" due to the long holiday weekend here on S Trains. One of them was the announcement that the Easy S Gauge Scratch Building guide has been posted on Chuck Harrington's myflyertrains.org website. This is a follow up to the kit bashing guide and aimed at those who have never done any scratch building before. This is easy stuff and you CAN do it! This guide explains how to build wood rolling stock, make loads for them, and includes ways to show wear and weathering. There is a bonus section on how to build a sway back truss rod flat car, something usually done only by long time scratch builders. While this is just the basics, there is enough additional info to help a beginner build a very respectable model and some of the info would be handy in kit bashing. Take a look, it might just open new territory for you. And thanks again to Chuck for making this guide available too. Stumpy in Ahia.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66756	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: AFL 6-49600 UP Pony Express Set Question

Hi All, What was the original price for the AFL 6-49600 UP Pony Express set and when was it produced? I've seen them sell for $300 and up on eBay with one currently at $595. I've also seen one at several local train shows and the guy is asking $800 which I guess explains why he still has it after several years of taking it to shows. I'm definitely not looking to add any AFL to my "junk" collection but was just interested in how much, if any, they have appreciated over the years. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66757	From: Thorin	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: A New Use For An Old Car

Another fantastic use for AF side dump cars is to load them with miniature horses and then dump them. I don't know anyone under the age of 6 who doesn't find this one of the funniest things they have ever seen. So run the dump car up to the stockyard for a more fun way to unload the cattle. Thorin --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > To The Flyer Nation; > > Take a log loader car and load an auto on it. When you get to the unload point, just flip it right off the car. Instant beater car. Paint pecans (in their shells) gold and load them up at a body snatcher sekrit location. Unload them at a closed-down Fringe warehouse. I have placed a car activation trip on a bridge and unloaded a Guilford Passenger Car into the muck below. How many other comic or sick re-uses can you list for action cars? Have you ever plowed through a Cow-on-the-Track and made hamburger? I realize this is kinda "out there" for most conservative toy train people. > > Regards, > Timboy, The Right-Side Thinker >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66758	From: Timboy	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: Scratch Building guide posted

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > It appears, from what I have been told, that several things have been "lost in the shuffle" due to the long holiday weekend here on S Trains. One of them was the announcement that the Easy S Gauge Scratch Building guide has been posted on Chuck Harrington's myflyertrains.org website. > This is a follow up to the kit bashing guide and aimed at those who have never done any scratch building before. This is easy stuff and you CAN do it! > This guide explains how to build wood rolling stock, make loads for them, and includes ways to show wear and weathering. There is a bonus section on how to build a sway back truss rod flat car, something usually done only by long time scratch builders. > While this is just the basics, there is enough additional info to help a beginner build a very respectable model and some of the info would be handy in kit bashing. > Take a look, it might just open new territory for you. And thanks again to Chuck for making this guide available too. > Stumpy in Ahia. > Stumpy, I think everyone on this List owes you an apology for not commenting on your very fine work - me included. I can't help but wonder how many hard drives your guide is now residing on. Seems to me that when someone works hard to publish terrific material - and it gets downloaded and/or viewed many, many times - then it should rate a nice public comment or three, holiday or not. Nice work Stumpy! And thank you for sharing it unselfishly by making it public! Bravo! Regards, Timboy, The Cheerleader

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66759	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Hudson drawbar problem

I got a nice looking 322 SIT Hudson that runs and smokes just great, but the crossbar that pulls the tender's drawbar has broken out of its place in the back of the cab.  The rivets/pins that originally held it have broken off, leaving their heads in the crossbar and pins in the engine.  There's nothing I can grab with pliers to pull the pins out, and it looks too fragile to drill out.  The exploded parts diagrams in both the K-Line book and Tom Seccia's book do not show the crossbar or rivets/pins, which implies to me that they can't be replaced. Can anybody give me any ideas how to connect the tender and loco so I can run it?  It's such a nice running engine that I don't want to simply display it on the shelf. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66760	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: Scratch Building guide posted

Ditto,   What TimBoy said. And the swayback flat is a cool effect. --- On Mon, 11/28/11, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote: From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Scratch Building guide posted To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 28, 2011, 11:23 AM   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > It appears, from what I have been told, that several things have been "lost in the shuffle" due to the long holiday weekend here on S Trains. One of them was the announcement that the Easy S Gauge Scratch Building guide has been posted on Chuck Harrington's myflyertrains.org website. > This is a follow up to the kit bashing guide and aimed at those who have never done any scratch building before. This is easy stuff and you CAN do it! > This guide explains how to build wood rolling stock, make loads for them, and includes ways to show wear and weathering. There is a bonus section on how to build a sway back truss rod flat car, something usually done only by long time scratch builders. > While this is just the basics, there is enough additional info to help a beginner build a very respectable model and some of the info would be handy in kit bashing. > Take a look, it might just open new territory for you. And thanks again to Chuck for making this guide available too. > Stumpy in Ahia. > Stumpy, I think everyone on this List owes you an apology for not commenting on your very fine work - me included. I can't help but wonder how many hard drives your guide is now residing on. Seems to me that when someone works hard to publish terrific material - and it gets downloaded and/or viewed many, many times - then it should rate a nice public comment or three, holiday or not. Nice work Stumpy! And thank you for sharing it unselfishly by making it public! Bravo! Regards, Timboy, The Cheerleader [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66761	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: AFL 6-49600 UP Pony Express Set Question

Produced 1990 with AA units and 4 cars originally. If I remember correctly it was $499.95. They added B unit w/sound ($150) and two more cars in 1992. The value at that time NIB was just under $800. If I had all those NIB I would ask $750 today. They had reached a plateau of around $1,000 a few years ago but have slid downward recently as has almost all stuff. Regards, Steve In a message dated 11/28/2011 8:58:15 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: Hi All, What was the original price for the AFL 6-49600 UP Pony Express set and when was it produced? I've seen them sell for $300 and up on eBay with one currently at $595. I've also seen one at several local train shows and the guy is asking $800 which I guess explains why he still has it after several years of taking it to shows. I'm definitely not looking to add any AFL to my "junk" collection but was just interested in how much, if any, they have appreciated over the years. BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66762	From: Jim	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: TMCC or DCS conversions

Hi Guys, I just got back from the best train show west of York PA. The Denver TCA meet. If you haven't been there your missing something. I am interested in converting some of my old Flyer engines to TMCC or DCS. Can anyone point me to a source for the electronics for such a use. I plan to convert some to can motors and I have a variety of Flyer steamers to choose from. I did consult Carl Tuveson's site but some of the Lionel electronics don't seem to be available. Thanks, Jim Grimes tsbikes@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66763	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: Scratch Building guide posted

Stumpy,      FYI and everyone else. We are getting closer to the end of the R&D period for our LP TANK CAR blank tanks. Should be ready for comsumption the second week of Dec.or there abouts. It still looks like the tanks with their support saddles seperate cast in metal will still be omly 2 for $19.95 which includes shipping in CONUS. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc 502-292-1872 --- On Mon, 11/28/11, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Scratch Building guide posted To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 28, 2011, 9:00 AM   It appears, from what I have been told, that several things have been "lost in the shuffle" due to the long holiday weekend here on S Trains. One of them was the announcement that the Easy S Gauge Scratch Building guide has been posted on Chuck Harrington's myflyertrains.org website. This is a follow up to the kit bashing guide and aimed at those who have never done any scratch building before. This is easy stuff and you CAN do it! This guide explains how to build wood rolling stock, make loads for them, and includes ways to show wear and weathering. There is a bonus section on how to build a sway back truss rod flat car, something usually done only by long time scratch builders. While this is just the basics, there is enough additional info to help a beginner build a very respectable model and some of the info would be handy in kit bashing. Take a look, it might just open new territory for you. And thanks again to Chuck for making this guide available too. Stumpy in Ahia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66764	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: Hudson drawbar problem

JP Weld. Alistair On Tue 29/11/11 2:24 AM , Robert Graves theupstairstrain@... sent: I got a nice looking 322 SIT Hudson that runs and smokes just great, but the crossbar that pulls the tender's drawbar has broken out of its place in the back of the cab. The rivets/pins that originally held it have broken off, leaving their heads in the crossbar and pins in the engine. There's nothing I can grab with pliers to pull the pins out, and it looks too fragile to drill out. The exploded parts diagrams in both the K-Line book and Tom Seccia's book do not show the crossbar or rivets/pins, which implies to me that they can't be replaced. Can anybody give me any ideas how to connect the tender and loco so I can run it? It's such a nice running engine that I don't want to simply display it on the shelf. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:theupstairstrain@...?subject=Re:%20Hudson%20drawbar%20problem [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20Hudson%20drawbar%20problem [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvYjBmaTIyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2Njc1OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjI1MTY1Njk-?act=reply&messageNum=66759 [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjcGxicGc0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjI1MTY1Njk- [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/66759;_ylc=X3oDMTM0MmZiN3YzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2Njc1OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjI1MTY1NjkEdHBjSWQDNjY3NTk- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNXI5Zmo4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzIyNTE2NTY5?o=6 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkMjAwZTl2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzIyNTE2NTY5 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjdnAzajduBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMjI1MTY1Njk- [9] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [10] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15otvbrca/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1322523769/L=eaea8daa-1a09-11e1-93ec-0338d9458426/B=4rVxMdj8elk-/J=1322516569637397/K=N6Vt5gXHewe1RkaGcQG0rw/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*<a href= [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJicGR2ZmkyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMyMjUxNjU2OQ-- [12] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional [13] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest [14] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66765	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: A new use for an old car

I love this stuff! It shows great imagination and creativity, and it shows folks that you can still have a little fun with old trains. Sure, I "grew up" for a long time, got married, and so on. I was even a "scale" modeler for many years and entered model contests. But after two heart attacks, kidney failure, Diabetes, and the attending early retirement, I decided "to Hell with this being an adult stuff," I want to "play" with my trains. At this age, I have more memories than days ahead! I have always wanted to kit bash a Flyer "Cow on Track" into a "School Bus on Track" accessory! Maybe even use little plastic figures inside. "Oh, the humanity!" :-) Fortunately, these are too rare for me to chop up a good one and I haven't found one in a junk box. Yet. :-) I know a few of us on this Group sometimes have a twisted sense of humor, or think well "outside the box," but it' all part of being creative. And if those who disaprove won't admit to ever doing this sort of stuff with their toys as a child, all I can say is, you had a very sheltered childhood. And how "twisted" do you have to be to invent the "Cow on Track" accessory to start with? Think about it. Three cheers for the creative folks. Outside the box thinking can be wacky sometimes, but it also led to the invetions we all take for granted today. After all, the first "Thomas" that I heard of wasn't a tank engine, he invented the light bulb. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66766	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: Hudson drawbar problem

You might make up a new drawbar which connects with the trailing truck pivot screw at the locomotive end and the tender drawbar screw. This new drawbar would mount at the locomotive end between to chassis and the trailing truck, using the same screw. That way you don't need to use the damaged under cab mount. It won't be collector correct, but it will work. Heavy wire bent to shape, or better yet a flat sheet metal strip bent to fit and drilled will work. In the case of my two Semi-Streamlined Pacifics, I added a Hudson tender to them and the drawbar was a piece of craft stick (popsicle) cut to length and drilled to fit the screws at each end. Necessity is still the mother of invention. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66767	From: Al Baker	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: Hudson drawbar problem

Get J-B Weld or J-B Kwik at your local hardware store and "glue" it on. I have done many of them. Both products are the same except J-B Kwik dries much faster and is plenty strong enough for the job. Al Baker Portland, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > I got a nice looking 322 SIT Hudson that runs and smokes just great, but the crossbar that pulls the tender's drawbar has broken out of its place in the back of the cab.  The rivets/pins that originally held it have broken off, leaving their heads in the crossbar and pins in the engine.  There's nothing I can grab with pliers to pull the pins out, and it looks too fragile to drill out.  > > > The exploded parts diagrams in both the K-Line book and Tom Seccia's book do not show the crossbar or rivets/pins, which implies to me that they can't be replaced. > > Can anybody give me any ideas how to connect the tender and loco so I can run it?  It's such a nice running engine that I don't want to simply display it on the shelf. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66768	From: schwartzsj@juno.com	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: 24003 SF Box Car revisited

Michael, Michael, Michael: If ya wanna collect this stuff, and not pay TOO MUCH for it, patience and dilligence are the two words to keep in mind. Hey, it's what keeps you lookin' and interested, doesn't it? Steve P ____________________________________________________________ 57 Year Old Mom Looks 27 Mom Reveals $3 Wrinkle Trick Angering Doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4ed426f8c5c64694b88st02duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66769	From: Tom Grabinski	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: af 751 log loader

can someone tell me the wiring on the american flyer 751 log loader.  thanks tom grabinski [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66770	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: Hudson drawbar problem

J-B Weld is the first thing I tried.   I let it dry overnight, but it broke loose the first time I picked up the engine.  (Carefully - no, I didn't jerk it.)  The second time, I let it dry for three days before moving the engine.  It held for three times around the club layout and I thought I had it licked, but it broke on the fourth time around.  Is there a trick to using J-B Weld?  Any idea what I may have done wrong? Stumpy's suggestion of a long drawbar from the trailing truck screw was my second thought because that's the way my 21130 is rigged.  But the 322 has a vertical bar at the back of the trailing truck that would get in the way; I'd have to swap it for a truck that didn't have one.  And then I'd have to drill out the rivet in the tender that holds the existing short drawbar and buy rivets and a rivet tool to replace it.  I could certainly go that route, but am hoping for something simpler and cheaper. Any ideas? ________________________________ From: Al Baker <albaker33@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Hudson drawbar problem   Get J-B Weld or J-B Kwik at your local hardware store and "glue" it on. I have done many of them. Both products are the same except J-B Kwik dries much faster and is plenty strong enough for the job. Al Baker Portland, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > I got a nice looking 322 SIT Hudson that runs and smokes just great, but the crossbar that pulls the tender's drawbar has broken out of its place in the back of the cab.  The rivets/pins that originally held it have broken off, leaving their heads in the crossbar and pins in the engine.  There's nothing I can grab with pliers to pull the pins out, and it looks too fragile to drill out.  > > > The exploded parts diagrams in both the K-Line book and Tom Seccia's book do not show the crossbar or rivets/pins, which implies to me that they can't be replaced. > > Can anybody give me any ideas how to connect the tender and loco so I can run it?  It's such a nice running engine that I don't want to simply display it on the shelf. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66771	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: 24003 SF Box Car revisited

Steve, LOL I have no problems with what the market is doing at the time. Yes, I got this 75 dollar box car for 45, but I don’t think that is going to happen all the time. Basically it is a lady selling her Dad’s trains, she had a reasonable start price for her and I got the car at the start price. We are both happy. I don’t think this is going to happen often. Mike From: schwartzsj@... Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 7:27 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 24003 SF Box Car revisited Michael, Michael, Michael: If ya wanna collect this stuff, and not pay TOO MUCH for it, patience and dilligence are the two words to keep in mind. Hey, it's what keeps you lookin' and interested, doesn't it? Steve P __________________________________________________________ 57 Year Old Mom Looks 27 Mom Reveals $3 Wrinkle Trick Angering Doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4ed426f8c5c64694b88st02duc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66772	From: NEIL FERRIS	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: Hudson drawbar problem

I just did that same repair. Port Line Hobby Supply has the parts.  I carefully drilled a small hole in the center of the broken pin then I drilled a larger hole slightly smaller than the new pin. The tricky part is drilling the hole straight.  Then put the new bar in place and carefully press in the new pins.  Mine were so tight I had to use a nail punch and small hammer to get them in. Go Slowly!!  I was concerned I would crack the casting or the newly drilled hole but I didn't. Maybe I was just lucky.  Works great now. Neil [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66773	From: Larry Moore	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: Hudson drawbar problem

Dittos on the JB Weld. I have also repaired several of them. Dab a little bit on the pins, place the bar on , and put another dab on the top of the bar at the pins. Let dry, touch up with flat black paint, and it is a great fix. Larry Moore From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Al Baker Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 6:01 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Hudson drawbar problem Get J-B Weld or J-B Kwik at your local hardware store and "glue" it on. I have done many of them. Both products are the same except J-B Kwik dries much faster and is plenty strong enough for the job. Al Baker Portland, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > I got a nice looking 322 SIT Hudson that runs and smokes just great, but the crossbar that pulls the tender's drawbar has broken out of its place in the back of the cab. The rivets/pins that originally held it have broken off, leaving their heads in the crossbar and pins in the engine. There's nothing I can grab with pliers to pull the pins out, and it looks too fragile to drill out. > > > The exploded parts diagrams in both the K-Line book and Tom Seccia's book do not show the crossbar or rivets/pins, which implies to me that they can't be replaced. > > Can anybody give me any ideas how to connect the tender and loco so I can run it? It's such a nice running engine that I don't want to simply display it on the shelf. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66774	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: Hudson drawbar problem

You must mix it in even quantities and dont skimp too much om On Tue 29/11/11 10:34 AM , Robert Graves theupstairstrain@... sent: J-B Weld is the first thing I tried. I let it dry overnight, but it broke loose the first time I picked up the engine. (Carefully - no, I didn't jerk it.) The second time, I let it dry for three days before moving the engine. It held for three times around the club layout and I thought I had it licked, but it broke on the fourth time around. Is there a trick to using J-B Weld? Any idea what I may have done wrong? Stumpy's suggestion of a long drawbar from the trailing truck screw was my second thought because that's the way my 21130 is rigged. But the 322 has a vertical bar at the back of the trailing truck that would get in the way; I'd have to swap it for a truck that didn't have one. And then I'd have to drill out the rivet in the tender that holds the existing short drawbar and buy rivets and a rivet tool to replace it. I could certainly go that route, but am hoping for something simpler and cheaper. Any ideas? ________________________________ From: Al Baker To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Hudson drawbar problem Get J-B Weld or J-B Kwik at your local hardware store and "glue" it on. I have done many of them. Both products are the same except J-B Kwik dries much faster and is plenty strong enough for the job. Al Baker Portland, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3], Robert Graves wrote: > > I got a nice looking 322 SIT Hudson that runs and smokes just great, but the crossbar that pulls the tender's drawbar has broken out of its place in the back of the cab. The rivets/pins that originally held it have broken off, leaving their heads in the crossbar and pins in the engine. There's nothing I can grab with pliers to pull the pins out, and it looks too fragile to drill out. > > > The exploded parts diagrams in both the K-Line book and Tom Seccia's book do not show the crossbar or rivets/pins, which implies to me that they can't be replaced. > > Can anybody give me any ideas how to connect the tender and loco so I can run it? It's such a nice running engine that I don't want to simply display it on the shelf. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:albaker33@... [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [4] mailto:theupstairstrain@...?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Re:%20Hudson%20drawbar%20problem [5] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Re:%20Hudson%20drawbar%20problem [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbmtsdXVwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2Njc3MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjI1MzI1Mzc-?act=reply&messageNum=66770 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjb2cwNW9oBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjI1MzI1Mzc- [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/66759;_ylc=X3oDMTM0cjkyanZyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2Njc3MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjI1MzI1MzcEdHBjSWQDNjY3NTk- [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkM2xyanI2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzIyNTMyNTM3?o=6 [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkazBiOTZ0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzIyNTMyNTM3 [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjb2dyZW4wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMjI1MzI1Mzc- [12] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [13] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15oms92q7/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1322539737/L=18552bfe-1a2f-11e1-b1d5-6797402f4f82/B=btr9MtBDRrs-/J=1322532537213227/K=T47lRIyZuAFA1Sch80670g/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*<a href= [14] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJicmxoMzA4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMyMjUzMjUzNw-- [15] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional [16] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest [17] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [18] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66775	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: Hudson drawbar problem

Sorry punched the button too soon. Other thing as to make sure you scrape the bar ends and the relevant parts of the cab sides down to the clean bare metal. Allow two days for full strength. If your JP weld has been opened more than 12 months throw it in the bin. Good luck Alistair On Tue 29/11/11 10:34 AM , Robert Graves theupstairstrain@... sent: J-B Weld is the first thing I tried. I let it dry overnight, but it broke loose the first time I picked up the engine. (Carefully - no, I didn't jerk it.) The second time, I let it dry for three days before moving the engine. It held for three times around the club layout and I thought I had it licked, but it broke on the fourth time around. Is there a trick to using J-B Weld? Any idea what I may have done wrong? Stumpy's suggestion of a long drawbar from the trailing truck screw was my second thought because that's the way my 21130 is rigged. But the 322 has a vertical bar at the back of the trailing truck that would get in the way; I'd have to swap it for a truck that didn't have one. And then I'd have to drill out the rivet in the tender that holds the existing short drawbar and buy rivets and a rivet tool to replace it. I could certainly go that route, but am hoping for something simpler and cheaper. Any ideas? ________________________________ From: Al Baker To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Hudson drawbar problem Get J-B Weld or J-B Kwik at your local hardware store and "glue" it on. I have done many of them. Both products are the same except J-B Kwik dries much faster and is plenty strong enough for the job. Al Baker Portland, OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3], Robert Graves wrote: > > I got a nice looking 322 SIT Hudson that runs and smokes just great, but the crossbar that pulls the tender's drawbar has broken out of its place in the back of the cab. The rivets/pins that originally held it have broken off, leaving their heads in the crossbar and pins in the engine. There's nothing I can grab with pliers to pull the pins out, and it looks too fragile to drill out. > > > The exploded parts diagrams in both the K-Line book and Tom Seccia's book do not show the crossbar or rivets/pins, which implies to me that they can't be replaced. > > Can anybody give me any ideas how to connect the tender and loco so I can run it? It's such a nice running engine that I don't want to simply display it on the shelf. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:albaker33@... [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [4] mailto:theupstairstrain@...?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Re:%20Hudson%20drawbar%20problem [5] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Re:%20Hudson%20drawbar%20problem [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbmtsdXVwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2Njc3MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjI1MzI1Mzc-?act=reply&messageNum=66770 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjb2cwNW9oBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjI1MzI1Mzc- [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/66759;_ylc=X3oDMTM0cjkyanZyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2Njc3MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjI1MzI1MzcEdHBjSWQDNjY3NTk- [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkM2xyanI2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzIyNTMyNTM3?o=6 [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkazBiOTZ0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzIyNTMyNTM3 [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjb2dyZW4wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMjI1MzI1Mzc- [12] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [13] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15oms92q7/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1322539737/L=18552bfe-1a2f-11e1-b1d5-6797402f4f82/B=btr9MtBDRrs-/J=1322532537213227/K=T47lRIyZuAFA1Sch80670g/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*<a href= [14] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJicmxoMzA4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMyMjUzMjUzNw-- [15] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional [16] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest [17] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [18] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66776	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Hudson drawbar problem

Bend a piece of sheet metal about 3/4 inch wide and the proper length into an L shape. Fit it over the BACK bottom of the cab rear sides and drill a 1/6' hole in each end and the cab rear sides. Use some size 3 sheet metal screws to attach it and then attach the drawbar to the under side of it. Drill the appropriate hole in the center underside of this piece for attaching the stud before you attach it to the cab. Steve SnS Trains > > I got a nice looking 322 SIT Hudson that runs and smokes just great, but the crossbar that pulls the tender's drawbar has broken out of its place in the back of the cab. The rivets/pins that originally held it have broken off, leaving their heads in the crossbar and pins in the engine. There's nothing I can grab with pliers to pull the pins out, and it looks too fragile to drill out. > > > The exploded parts diagrams in both the K-Line book and Tom Seccia's book do not show the crossbar or rivets/pins, which implies to me that they can't be replaced. > > Can anybody give me any ideas how to connect the tender and loco so I can run it? It's such a nice running engine that I don't want to simply display it on the shelf. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66777	From: Al Baker	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: Hudson drawbar problem

I go along with all of the suggestions so far. Make sure you use equal amounts, and then do as Larry says after maybe some cleanup with a file. Add a little extra for additional support. I originally used J-B Weld which requires about 12 hours to cure. But then I changed to J-B Kwik. I have used it to make several of these repairs, plus many other types of repairs, and also to make many custom locomotives and never had a problem. J-B Kwik gets hard in about 5 minutes but I always let it cure for an hour or two depending upon what it is used for. But you can handle it after about 15 minutes. And it takes paint just great. J-B Weld is supposed to be the stronger of the two, but again I have never had a problem with J-B Kwik and I have used it extensively. And after all, we are not trying to pull a truck here! Al Baker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Moore <mo2337@...> wrote: > > Dittos on the JB Weld. I have also repaired several of them. Dab a little > bit on the pins, place the bar on , and put another dab on the top of the > bar at the pins. Let dry, touch up with flat black paint, and it is a great > fix. Larry Moore > > > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Al Baker > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 6:01 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Hudson drawbar problem > > > > > > Get J-B Weld or J-B Kwik at your local hardware store and "glue" it on. I > have done many of them. Both products are the same except J-B Kwik dries > much faster and is plenty strong enough for the job. > > Al Baker > Portland, OR > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , Robert > Graves <theupstairstrain@> wrote: > > > > I got a nice looking 322 SIT Hudson that runs and smokes just great, but > the crossbar that pulls the tender's drawbar has broken out of its place in > the back of the cab. The rivets/pins that originally held it have broken > off, leaving their heads in the crossbar and pins in the engine. There's > nothing I can grab with pliers to pull the pins out, and it looks too > fragile to drill out. > > > > > > The exploded parts diagrams in both the K-Line book and Tom Seccia's book > do not show the crossbar or rivets/pins, which implies to me that they can't > be replaced. > > > > Can anybody give me any ideas how to connect the tender and loco so I can > run it? It's such a nice running engine that I don't want to simply display > it on the shelf. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66778	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC or DCS conversions

Hi Jim, � S'n S Trains should be able to help you. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Jim <tsbikes@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:28 PM Subject: [S-Trains] TMCC or DCS conversions   Hi Guys, I just got back from the best train show west of York PA. The Denver TCA meet. If you haven't been there your missing something. I am interested in converting some of my old Flyer engines to TMCC or DCS. Can anyone point me to a source for the electronics for such a use. I plan to convert some to can motors and I have a variety of Flyer steamers to choose from. I did consult Carl Tuveson's site but some of the Lionel electronics don't seem to be available. Thanks, Jim Grimes tsbikes@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66779	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: Hudson drawbar problem

Remove the shell from the motor assembly.  File the pins flat with the boiler ends. Slow the speed of your drill and use a bit that's smaller than the pins.  If you can that cleaned out use a S171 Screw to hold the XA9578 Crossbar back in place. Drilling at a high speed can do damage. Another way is make a straight coupler bar from the trailing truck screw PA4939 to the tender using some small washers to raise it above the trailing truck. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> To: s-trains list <s-trains@...> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Hudson drawbar problem   I got a nice looking 322 SIT Hudson that runs and smokes just great, but the crossbar that pulls the tender's drawbar has broken out of its place in the back of the cab.  The rivets/pins that originally held it have broken off, leaving their heads in the crossbar and pins in the engine.  There's nothing I can grab with pliers to pull the pins out, and it looks too fragile to drill out.  The exploded parts diagrams in both the K-Line book and Tom Seccia's book do not show the crossbar or rivets/pins, which implies to me that they can't be replaced. Can anybody give me any ideas how to connect the tender and loco so I can run it?  It's such a nice running engine that I don't want to simply display it on the shelf. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66780	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 11/28/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC or DCS conversions

Check Doug Peck and Portlines for some of what's necessary. On 11/28/2011 2:28 PM, Jim wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > I just got back from the best train show west of York PA. The Denver > TCA meet. If you haven't been there your missing something. > I am interested in converting some of my old Flyer engines to TMCC or > DCS. Can anyone point me to a source for the electronics for such a > use. I plan to convert some to can motors and I have a variety of > Flyer steamers to choose from. > I did consult Carl Tuveson's site but some of the Lionel electronics > don't seem to be available. > Thanks, > Jim Grimes > tsbikes@... <mailto:tsbikes%40gwtc.net> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66781	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 11/29/2011
Subject: Re: A new use for an old car

Stumpy, In the mid 1950s when I was about 11 years old I had to get glasses, and lucky me, my mother took me to an optometrist who had a hard-bound book of Charles Addams cartoons in his waiting room. (This was well before The Addams' Family ever appeared on TV.) I still remember looking at all the wonderful drawings, including several of the little fat kid (Pugsley) running his electric trains at his sister's trussed-up doll or a school bus across the railroad tracks, or up a very long and steep set of trestles and out a 10th floor apartment window. Of course I would never do that with my AF trains, but I certainly thought about it after seeing those cartoons. Jerry F. <http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A2KJkIaCgtROfSIAZ.yjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTBpcGszamw0BHN lYwNmcC1pbWcEc2xrA2ltZw--/SIG=12g05r16q/EXP=1322578690/**http%3a/barking-dog s.blogspot.com/2009/08/charles-addams.html> Image Detail From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mrstumpy50 Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 2:27 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE:A new use for an old car I love this stuff! It shows great imagination and creativity, and it shows folks that you can still have a little fun with old trains. Sure, I "grew up" for a long time, got married, and so on. I was even a "scale" modeler for many years and entered model contests. But after two heart attacks, kidney failure, Diabetes, and the attending early retirement, I decided "to Hell with this being an adult stuff," I want to "play" with my trains. At this age, I have more memories than days ahead! I have always wanted to kit bash a Flyer "Cow on Track" into a "School Bus on Track" accessory! Maybe even use little plastic figures inside. "Oh, the humanity!" :-) Fortunately, these are too rare for me to chop up a good one and I haven't found one in a junk box. Yet. :-) I know a few of us on this Group sometimes have a twisted sense of humor, or think well "outside the box," but it' all part of being creative. And if those who disaprove won't admit to ever doing this sort of stuff with their toys as a child, all I can say is, you had a very sheltered childhood. And how "twisted" do you have to be to invent the "Cow on Track" accessory to start with? Think about it. Three cheers for the creative folks. Outside the box thinking can be wacky sometimes, but it also led to the invetions we all take for granted today. After all, the first "Thomas" that I heard of wasn't a tank engine, he invented the light bulb. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66782	From: rapidrail1	Date: 11/29/2011
Subject: Re: A new use for an old car

A friend, former school teacher no less, has long suggested I should change my cow on the track to a school bus on the track. Being a retired firefighter, I just can't do that. But I do plan to make it a reindeer on the track for my Christmas layout. That is reversible. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > I love this stuff! It shows great imagination and creativity, and it shows folks that you can still have a little fun with old trains. > Sure, I "grew up" for a long time, got married, and so on. I was even a "scale" modeler for many years and entered model contests. > But after two heart attacks, kidney failure, Diabetes, and the attending early retirement, I decided "to Hell with this being an adult stuff," I want to "play" with my trains. At this age, I have more memories than days ahead! > I have always wanted to kit bash a Flyer "Cow on Track" into a "School Bus on Track" accessory! Maybe even use little plastic figures inside. "Oh, the humanity!" :-) > Fortunately, these are too rare for me to chop up a good one and I haven't found one in a junk box. Yet. :-) > I know a few of us on this Group sometimes have a twisted sense of humor, or think well "outside the box," but it' all part of being creative. And if those who disaprove won't admit to ever doing this sort of stuff with their toys as a child, all I can say is, you had a very sheltered childhood. > And how "twisted" do you have to be to invent the "Cow on Track" accessory to start with? Think about it. > Three cheers for the creative folks. Outside the box thinking can be wacky sometimes, but it also led to the invetions we all take for granted today. After all, the first "Thomas" that I heard of wasn't a tank engine, he invented the light bulb. > Stumpy in Ahia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66783	From: Ray Puls	Date: 11/29/2011
Subject: TMCC electronics

Go on the web to ERR "Electric Railroad". They have the driver boards that you will need and Ken and John can answer questions and give the guidance you will need. I have obtained a good amount of info from them, they have manuals that you can download. You can also go to coilcouplers.com for interactive tutorials on TMCC. You will love the TMCC. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66784	From: Robert Graves	Date: 11/29/2011
Subject: Re: A new use for an old car

Terrific idea!  Gotta go get a reindeer.  That would be a huge hit at this weekend's train show! ________________________________ From: rapidrail1 <waynebeachy113@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 3:32 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: RE:A new use for an old car   A friend, former school teacher no less, has long suggested I should change my cow on the track to a school bus on the track. Being a retired firefighter, I just can't do that. But I do plan to make it a reindeer on the track for my Christmas layout. That is reversible. Wayne --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > I love this stuff! It shows great imagination and creativity, and it shows folks that you can still have a little fun with old trains. > Sure, I "grew up" for a long time, got married, and so on. I was even a "scale" modeler for many years and entered model contests. > But after two heart attacks, kidney failure, Diabetes, and the attending early retirement, I decided "to Hell with this being an adult stuff," I want to "play" with my trains. At this age, I have more memories than days ahead! > I have always wanted to kit bash a Flyer "Cow on Track" into a "School Bus on Track" accessory! Maybe even use little plastic figures inside. "Oh, the humanity!" :-) > Fortunately, these are too rare for me to chop up a good one and I haven't found one in a junk box. Yet. :-) > I know a few of us on this Group sometimes have a twisted sense of humor, or think well "outside the box," but it' all part of being creative. And if those who disaprove won't admit to ever doing this sort of stuff with their toys as a child, all I can say is, you had a very sheltered childhood. > And how "twisted" do you have to be to invent the "Cow on Track" accessory to start with? Think about it. > Three cheers for the creative folks. Outside the box thinking can be wacky sometimes, but it also led to the invetions we all take for granted today. After all, the first "Thomas" that I heard of wasn't a tank engine, he invented the light bulb. > Stumpy in Ahia > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66785	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 11/29/2011
Subject: RE;A new use for an old car

Some years ago, I designed a mechanical actuator to dump O gauge three rail log and side dump cars. Stuff like this has been done before by individual model railroaders. Tyco and Life Like both tried to popularize it in HO, but because the "scale" guys poo-pooed it as "too toy like" it never caught on. If I weren't so backed up with projects, I'd be tempted to get back to animation and mechanical stuff. I'm sure I could make my own "School Bus on Track" because Gilbert's "Cow on Track" is a basic mechanical movement operated by old electro-mechanical stuff. I think I could rig one fully mechanical for the school bus. With today's technology, it's possible to build your own accessories I imagine, and do it better than those from the fifties. It would just take some creativity to do it. Wish I had the time. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66786	From: Timboy	Date: 11/29/2011
Subject: Re: RE;A new use for an old car

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Some years ago, I designed a mechanical actuator to dump O gauge three rail log and side dump cars. Stuff like this has been done before by individual model railroaders. Tyco and Life Like both tried to popularize it in HO, but because the "scale" guys poo-pooed it as "too toy like" it never caught on. > If I weren't so backed up with projects, I'd be tempted to get back to animation and mechanical stuff. I'm sure I could make my own "School Bus on Track" because Gilbert's "Cow on Track" is a basic mechanical movement operated by old electro-mechanical stuff. I think I could rig one fully mechanical for the school bus. > With today's technology, it's possible to build your own accessories I imagine, and do it better than those from the fifties. It would just take some creativity to do it. > Wish I had the time. > Stumpy in Ahia > Stumpy... I wish you had the time as well! Scary to think what might come from the twisted mind of Stumpy! lol But you have raised a great point. Why not build our own accessories. We all know that Mike Kolosseus made his own with Erector parts-is-pasts. One doesn't have to limit their materials to Erector pieces. Although some of the rods, gears, etc. would be great parts, as would the switch and uncoupler coils I have laying around. I would be curious to see some ideas thrown out on the table. I could use an incline, instead of a truck, to bring M&M's up and out of my mine. That should be easy. Maybe an animated haunted house or brothel would be interesting. The Flyer Nation has always been known for it's members being frugal AND creative. We have HAD to be, since there just isn't the shear volume of stuff available that there is in the O or HO gauges. Something to consider... Regards, Timboy, The Builder

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66787	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 11/29/2011
Subject: Re: RE;A new use for an old car

Now adays there is a thing called shape memory alloys that can be made to make simple mechanical movements most notable is the brand called muscle wires, i have thought about experimenting with this newish technology but have not done so yet due to other interests. Jameco electronics I think carries the muscle wire line of products. --- On Tue, 11/29/11, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE;A new use for an old car To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2011, 10:48 AM   Some years ago, I designed a mechanical actuator to dump O gauge three rail log and side dump cars. Stuff like this has been done before by individual model railroaders. Tyco and Life Like both tried to popularize it in HO, but because the "scale" guys poo-pooed it as "too toy like" it never caught on. If I weren't so backed up with projects, I'd be tempted to get back to animation and mechanical stuff. I'm sure I could make my own "School Bus on Track" because Gilbert's "Cow on Track" is a basic mechanical movement operated by old electro-mechanical stuff. I think I could rig one fully mechanical for the school bus. With today's technology, it's possible to build your own accessories I imagine, and do it better than those from the fifties. It would just take some creativity to do it. Wish I had the time. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66788	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/29/2011
Subject: Track cleaning

Good news for those of you that have asked for our track cleaning cars recently. We have not been able to make any for over a year, and are happy to announce that a new supply of power pickup trucks came in and we are once again making these cars. You want a track cleaner that works. We make it. Thanks to all of you for your patience. Steve Blackburn SnS Trains Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66789	From: ekaplan707	Date: 11/29/2011
Subject: For Sale Lionel MPC Era Rolling Stock

I am the original owner of the following items. All are in mint condition with original boxes 4-9700 SantaFe Boxcar 4-9701 Rock Boxcar 4-9300 Burlington Gondola 4-9200 Chessie Hopper 4-9201 B&O Hopper 4-9400 Chessie Caboose 4-9401 B&O Caboose $20 per car plus insured shipping. If your interested in multiple cars please specify and I will provide a better price. Want all 7 then they are yours for $120 including shipping.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66790	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/29/2011
Subject: Fw: NEIL YOUNG 35 Years in the Hobby.....

I thought this might be of interest, since Neil is still involved with Lionel and Lionel still makes AF products, so it is AF related. Mike Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 3:35 PM To: mlmarmer@... Subject: NEIL YOUNG 35 Years in the Hobby..... I started in 1976. I had a Marx set in the fifties that my dad set up for me in my bedroom. One day i was buying Christmas presents and I saw an old Lionel set. I bought it. I set up a layout in my house that I shared with my son Zeke. I started collecting everything postwar and got a huge collection going. I was the proud owner of a 773 and a 5344 700E Hudson! Then I got all the postwar f3s that had porthole windows. I drew the line there. Didn't want the ones without windows. Got the 2333 versions too. In 82 I married and we had a wonderful son with CP. He was a quadriplegic. When he was in a bassinet I took him to a building I was using for my new train layout. I called it the train barn. I would put him on the train table and built the layout all around him. When he got old enough to run the trains, we devised a switch for him to turn the power on and off and trigger the e unit. He would use a button on his chair to start and stop the trains. We then added a "holding voltage" to keep the trains from cycling into neutral and reverse when he hit is switch. That way he just stopped them and started them and the action was smooth. Ben would be stationed at a big reversing loop which he controlled with his switch. 3 separate lines fed into this common reversing loop, so Ben would have the ability to control each of three new trains as it arrived, providing him with more variety. That was a lot of fun. In the early nineties I read about a company, QSI, that had a control system for 3 rail trains. I reached out to them and worked with them for a while, and they made a great electronic e unit that made it possible to select a specific engine to run, while the others were not active. Ben used this system on the layout, adding even more possibilities. I met Richard Kughn who owned Lionel at the time, and we started a company, Liontech. We developed Railsounds working with a northern California company RDL. Then we developed TMCC, working with another Northern California company, ADL in Grass Valley. TMCC and Railsounds added a lot to Ben's train experience, with the great sounds of real trains and the ability to control them through his switch. A port in the top of Cab 1 was used to plug in his switch and allow him to perform all the TMCC commands. When Richard Kughn, a real train lover and wonderful friend, sold the company, I used my share of Liontech to become an owner of Lionel. Several CEOs came and went under the new ownership, some more interested in technology than others. Dick Maddox was the most helpful of these, bringing lower speed operation to Lionel through gearing down locomotives. TMCC was dormant for a few years with no new features. Finally, Jerry Calabrese became the CEO the company was looking for. He was aware of technology as a way forward. Working with Lou Kovach and new company we formed together, CTT, we developed Legacy Command Control for Lionel. Lou's genius and love of trains was very important to getting us to the next level, speed control and greatly enhanced control of sound. Many revolutionary control features are built into the Legacy system and the biggest one is still unopened. Dr ZW, Jon Zahornacky, heads up the Lionel tech team now, and work has been progressing on this new feature for 3 years. We have a prototype that works well but is still not able to be manufactured, due to its complex nature, but we are getting there. In the end, there will be a simple and elegant solution. That is the way of development. Then electric trains will enter a new dimension. Today is Ben's 33rd birthday. He is having breakfast with his new USRA Yard Goat sitting on the table in front of him. His home layout in his room is still TMCC but will be upgraded to Legacy this Christmas when the new Legacy system arrives at the hobby shop. MTH and Mike Wolf have been great competitors and a wonderful addition to the hobby. Mike's dedication is well known and appreciated by serious hobbyists. Lionel has benefited from the competition. Mike is the new American Flyer. I am still a minority owner of Lionel and very interested in the further development of Legacy Command. As a train enthusiast for almost 50 years now, I give the company a lot of input so you can rest assured that there is a constant representation of your operator/collector interests. Jerry Calabrese is a creative visionary and an excellent partner to work with, shepherding Lionel through these tough economic times. The future looks bright to me. Enjoy your trains. Neil Young [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66791	From: rick gough	Date: 11/29/2011
Subject: Re: Hudson drawbar problem

Bob,   You should be able to punch the rivet heads out of the crossbar. The best real permanent last forever fix that I have done several times without failure is to tap and thread the existing posts for screws, which I imagine is how a Gilbert repair shop would have done it. Just flatten the top of the post and center punch it. Most hardware stores will have a cheap 4-40 screw thread tap and #43 drill set [Vermont American]. Best done with a drill press. JB WEld does great things and I imagine drilling a small hole into the top of the posts and filling it with JB, then adding the crossbar would give the JB a good anchor and maybe work long term. That is if you are affraid [don't be!] of drilling deep into the post for threading. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66792	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 11/29/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: NEIL YOUNG 35 Years in the Hobby.....

Very interesting. Thank you. Mike. Regards Alistair On Wed 30/11/11 7:24 AM , "Michael & Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... sent: I thought this might be of interest, since Neil is still involved with Lionel and Lionel still makes AF products, so it is AF related. Mike Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 3:35 PM To: mlmarmer@... [1] Subject: NEIL YOUNG 35 Years in the Hobby..... I started in 1976. I had a Marx set in the fifties that my dad set up for me in my bedroom. One day i was buying Christmas presents and I saw an old Lionel set. I bought it. I set up a layout in my house that I shared with my son Zeke. I started collecting everything postwar and got a huge collection going. I was the proud owner of a 773 and a 5344 700E Hudson! Then I got all the postwar f3s that had porthole windows. I drew the line there. Didn't want the ones without windows. Got the 2333 versions too. In 82 I married and we had a wonderful son with CP. He was a quadriplegic. When he was in a bassinet I took him to a building I was using for my new train layout. I called it the train barn. I would put him on the train table and built the layout all around him. When he got old enough to run the trains, we devised a switch for him to turn the power on and off and trigger the e unit. He would use a button on his chair to start and stop the trains. We then added a "holding voltage" to keep the trains from cycling into neutral and reverse when he hit is switch. That way he just stopped them and started them and the action was smooth. Ben would be stationed at a big reversing loop which he controlled with his switch. 3 separate lines fed into this common reversing loop, so Ben would have the ability to control each of three new trains as it arrived, providing him with more variety. That was a lot of fun. In the early nineties I read about a company, QSI, that had a control system for 3 rail trains. I reached out to them and worked with them for a while, and they made a great electronic e unit that made it possible to select a specific engine to run, while the others were not active. Ben used this system on the layout, adding even more possibilities. I met Richard Kughn who owned Lionel at the time, and we started a company, Liontech. We developed Railsounds working with a northern California company RDL. Then we developed TMCC, working with another Northern California company, ADL in Grass Valley. TMCC and Railsounds added a lot to Ben's train experience, with the great sounds of real trains and the ability to control them through his switch. A port in the top of Cab 1 was used to plug in his switch and allow him to perform all the TMCC commands. When Richard Kughn, a real train lover and wonderful friend, sold the company, I used my share of Liontech to become an owner of Lionel. Several CEOs came and went under the new ownership, some more interested in technology than others. Dick Maddox was the most helpful of these, bringing lower speed operation to Lionel through gearing down locomotives. TMCC was dormant for a few years with no new features. Finally, Jerry Calabrese became the CEO the company was looking for. He was aware of technology as a way forward. Working with Lou Kovach and new company we formed together, CTT, we developed Legacy Command Control for Lionel. Lou's genius and love of trains was very important to getting us to the next level, speed control and greatly enhanced control of sound. Many revolutionary control features are built into the Legacy system and the biggest one is still unopened. Dr ZW, Jon Zahornacky, heads up the Lionel tech team now, and work has been progressing on this new feature for 3 years. We have a prototype that works well but is still not able to be manufactured, due to its complex nature, but we are getting there. In the end, there will be a simple and elegant solution. That is the way of development. Then electric trains will enter a new dimension. Today is Ben's 33rd birthday. He is having breakfast with his new USRA Yard Goat sitting on the table in front of him. His home layout in his room is still TMCC but will be upgraded to Legacy this Christmas when the new Legacy system arrives at the hobby shop. MTH and Mike Wolf have been great competitors and a wonderful addition to the hobby. Mike's dedication is well known and appreciated by serious hobbyists. Lionel has benefited from the competition. Mike is the new American Flyer. I am still a minority owner of Lionel and very interested in the further development of Legacy Command. As a train enthusiast for almost 50 years now, I give the company a lot of input so you can rest assured that there is a constant representation of your operator/collector interests. Jerry Calabrese is a creative visionary and an excellent partner to work with, shepherding Lionel through these tough economic times. The future looks bright to me. Enjoy your trains. Neil Young [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66793	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 11/30/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: NEIL YOUNG 35 Years in the Hobby.....

Alistair, You are welcome. Besides, Neil is on my layout, as the muffler Lionel man holding a crate of apples at the Linda’s Produce Stand. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66794	From: bedardleon	Date: 11/30/2011
Subject: Adding sounds

Hi, I would like to add at least one loco with sounds to my postwar AF material. Do I understand correctly that I will need a new transfo plus a new loco, TMCC or Legacy or something like that ? Will this new transfo also operate my old material ? I am currently using an old 18B. What do you S experts out there suggest that will not dry up my bank account ? Thank you. Leon B.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66795	From: Timboy	Date: 11/30/2011
Subject: Re: Video- AndermanFlyer S ga. Auto. Siding Display At Toy Train Exp

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Ingram-James4-Yahoo-Groups <shoot-all-spammers4@...> wrote: > > VIDEO LINK: http://youtube.com/watch?v=O4mH-uV89HA > > This video shows the 4 ft x 18 ft S-gauge display built by Mark & Doris Anderman, that was part of the Nov 19/20, 2011 Toy Train Expo (ToyTrainExpo.org) in Williamsport, Pa. > > Modelers who prefer layout to be "prototypical" as possible -- may not like this layout. It was built to appeal to the "audience" coming to this event; mainly families with young kids, as part of Williamsport's "Victorian Christmas" weekend". > > Mark wired up an "automatic passing siding" using reed switches and automotive relays -- a "package" which he makes available on his Anderman Flyer website. This system continuously alternates two trains running on the same loop. > > Please note what I consider the extremely high quality of SCENERY for a temporary layout. Mark's wife Doris is the "head scenery person", and judging by the results, I would say very talented. {{Did some of you other guys ever consider, that there may be "latent scenery talent" lurking within your wives??}} > > In my opinion, they expended an AMAZING amount of effort -- for a display that operates for just > two days -- 6 hours on Saturday and 4 hours on Sunday, and then is taken down. > > "ON BOARD" VIDEO: This includes "on board" video with a 'GoPro' camera mounted on a flatcar -- from 3:08 min to 4:28 min in the video. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > MARK's HOME CHRISTMAS LAYOUT: > > If you enjoy the scenery on this display layout, you can also view similar creative "fantasy scenery" work on Mark's "Christmas Fantasy" layout that he puts up at Christmas time, at > http://youtube.com/watch?v=2XpBEt-5gjg > > |--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > | Thanks. - James R. Ingram > | Susquehanna S Gaugers Assistant Grunt > | SusquehannaSgaugers.com > | Williamsport PA Landline 570-322-7597 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > : > ==========end of email ======== > Jim: It's always interesting to see technology pushed further in the world of toy trains! Thanks for sharing those videos with the group. Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66796	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/30/2011
Subject: Adding sounds

There is regular AC sound available and all you need is a transformer with a whistle/bell buttons. There are lots of Lionel ones out there along with new ones by American Models and others. TMCC et.al. are not needed. You can also use an American Flyer transformer with a couple of Lionel sound activation buttons between it and the track. Your 18B would work fine. The Lionel button number is 6-5906 I have installed several of these sound units (Dallee) in Flyer Locos. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 11/30/2011 12:09:07 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, bedardleon@... writes: Hi, I would like to add at least one loco with sounds to my postwar AF material. Do I understand correctly that I will need a new transfo plus a new loco, TMCC or Legacy or something like that ? Will this new transfo also operate my old material ? I am currently using an old 18B. What do you S experts out there suggest that will not dry up my bank account ? Thank you. Leon B. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66797	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 11/30/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: NEIL YOUNG 35 Years in the Hobby.....

All good fun Michael. My layouts tend to be displays of historical toys but the Simpsons sneak in all over the place. Have a nice day! Alistair On Wed 30/11/11 10:49 AM , "Michael & Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... sent: Alistair, You are welcome. Besides, Neil is on my layout, as the muffler Lionel man holding a crate of apples at the Linda’s Produce Stand. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:mlmarmer@...?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Fw:%20NEIL%20YOUNG%2035%20Years%20in%20the%20Hobby..... [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Fw:%20NEIL%20YOUNG%2035%20Years%20in%20the%20Hobby..... [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvaGk1bDRwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2Njc5MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjI2ODAwOTc-?act=reply&messageNum=66793 [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjaW5wb2o4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjI2ODAwOTc- [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/66790;_ylc=X3oDMTM0Z2lvNGxhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2Njc5MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjI2ODAwOTcEdHBjSWQDNjY3OTA- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkdnFoNTcwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzIyNjgwMDk3?o=6 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkN2Y0dWdsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzIyNjgwMDk3 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjYnJubTdxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMjI2ODAwOTc- [9] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [10] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15oot5ki7/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1322687297/L=a92584d2-1b86-11e1-b6e0-5b9c39ea5a36/B=LH1DM9GDJGs-/J=1322680097553319/K=YiEylFVzcXCykhpLR.peZA/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*<a href= [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiY2Z1ZzAxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMyMjY4MDA5Nw-- [12] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional [13] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest [14] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66798	From: Al Baker	Date: 11/30/2011
Subject: Re: Adding sounds

First question is what sounds are you wanting? Bell and whistle only? Or do you want the prototype-like chugging sound? (If so, I suggest you cover the opening on top of your smoke unit with some good duct tape or other material. This quiets the original Gilbert choo-choo sound so it doesn't interfere with the prototype sound.) I just had this discussion in depth with Steve Blackburn at SnS Trains (Steve is on this list). As he will tell you, DCC with sound is a good option - but then you are asking for more than just sound. But he can tell you about other sound units which don't require DCC. Al Baker Portland,OR --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bedardleon" <bedardleon@...> wrote: > > Hi, > I would like to add at least one loco with sounds to my postwar AF material. > Do I understand correctly that I will need a new transfo plus a new loco, TMCC or Legacy or something like that ? > Will this new transfo also operate my old material ? I am currently using an old 18B. > What do you S experts out there suggest that will not dry up my bank account ? > Thank you. > Leon B. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66799	From: Timboy	Date: 11/30/2011
Subject: Re: Adding sounds

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote: > > First question is what sounds are you wanting? Bell and whistle only? Or do you want the prototype-like chugging sound? (If so, I suggest you cover the opening on top of your smoke unit with some good duct tape or other material. This quiets the original Gilbert choo-choo sound so it doesn't interfere with the prototype sound.) > > I just had this discussion in depth with Steve Blackburn at SnS Trains (Steve is on this list). As he will tell you, DCC with sound is a good option - but then you are asking for more than just sound. But he can tell you about other sound units which don't require DCC. > > Al Baker > Portland,OR > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bedardleon" <bedardleon@> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > I would like to add at least one loco with sounds to my postwar AF material. > > Do I understand correctly that I will need a new transfo plus a new loco, TMCC or Legacy or something like that ? > > Will this new transfo also operate my old material ? I am currently using an old 18B. > > What do you S experts out there suggest that will not dry up my bank account ? > > Thank you. > > Leon B. > > > To The Flyer Nation, If money was no object, I think the ideal option for vintage Flyer would be a refit with DCC and sound card for: 1)dynamic motion & speed control, 2)ability to turn the smoke & headlight off with a function button and 3)activation of the bells & whistles with other function buttons - all off a wireless throttle. I would use a DCC chip programmer to mute out the digital engine noises and let the Gilbert mechanical chuffing sound come through loud & clear. I figure that would give me the absolute best of all worlds. Regards, Timboy, DCC Tastes, But On A Vintage Budget

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66800	From: tbennerohio	Date: 11/30/2011
Subject: Re: Adding sounds

Steve, Do the Dallee units work with TMCC as well? I would like to try one of those in a 364 but was not sure the TMCC Cab-1 controls would trigger the horn and bell, assuming the prime mover sound is controlled by track voltage. Thanks and regards, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > There is regular AC sound available and all you need is a transformer with > a whistle/bell buttons. There are lots of Lionel ones out there along with > new ones by American Models and others. TMCC et.al. are not needed. You can > also use an American Flyer transformer with a couple of Lionel sound > activation buttons between it and the track. Your 18B would work fine. The > Lionel button number is 6-5906 > I have installed several of these sound units (Dallee) in Flyer Locos. > > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66801	From: Timboy	Date: 11/30/2011
Subject: The Les Forest Log Loading Center

Flyer Nation: The Les Forest Log Loading Center is now open for business! Find out one source where my guys get those huge logs for the #751 Log Loader. To see all the pics and details, you are invited to visit my blog: http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66802	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 11/30/2011
Subject: Re: The Les Forest Log Loading Center

Tim, You've been watching either way too much Discovery Channel or not enough - you've got Swamp Loggers confused with Ax Men - lol. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > Flyer Nation: > > The Les Forest Log Loading Center is now open for business! Find out one source where my guys get those huge logs for the #751 Log Loader. To see all the pics and details, you are invited to visit my blog: > > http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ > > Regards, > Timboy >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66803	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: Adding sounds

Since I know nothing about TMCC, I can't answer that question. Dallee makes both AC and DC sound units. They even come loco type specific for bell and whistle. He does not yet make DCC components. (trying to break him of that, but he's stubborn)...There are plenty of GOOD DCC sound units out there. Way too numerous to put here. Steve In a message dated 11/30/2011 3:10:25 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, tim.benner@... writes: Steve, Do the Dallee units work with TMCC as well? I would like to try one of those in a 364 but was not sure the TMCC Cab-1 controls would trigger the horn and bell, assuming the prime mover sound is controlled by track voltage. Thanks and regards, Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , boss31@... wrote: > > There is regular AC sound available and all you need is a transformer with > a whistle/bell buttons. There are lots of Lionel ones out there along with > new ones by American Models and others. TMCC et.al. are not needed. You can > also use an American Flyer transformer with a couple of Lionel sound > activation buttons between it and the track. Your 18B would work fine. The > Lionel button number is 6-5906 > I have installed several of these sound units (Dallee) in Flyer Locos. > > Steve > SnS Trains > Boise [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66804	From: Ray Puls	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Adding sound

You can add a sound board from Electric Railroad to most any locomotive. This sound which is available in different locomotive types, steam or diesel, only needs power supplied from the track and a hook-up to the speaker. This sound can be activated with the Lionel sound buttons mentioned in a previous post. With these units if you would add to a diesel the install is very simple and will give you motor sounds. A steam engine will require a little more work if you want to use the electronic chuff effect. Check out their website just Google "Electric Railroad", they have manuals to download and a wealth of information, plus links to other sites for more info. The only caution is your track must be powered with AC and a max of 20volts which is what your 18b will provide. Ray  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66805	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: DCC

I have been thinking about the dcc for s-gauge. I spent alot of time in the military and we used alot of voltaqe conversions in our radios ie taking a battery unit then plugging it into a vehicle on 26 volts dc, this is old tech. But couldnt this be done with ho dcc units? at a low cost, dont need to redo the wheel just modify it to work with different voltages and amps for the main card. This would keep costs down alot instead of having to design a complete new unit adapt one in use, any ideals from the electrical enginers?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66806	From: pete t	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: largest model rr

http://gizmodo.com/5863854/the-worlds-largest-model-railroad-adds-the-worlds-smallest-commercial-airport

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66807	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: DCC

Hi Jimbo, If I understand your question, it looks like: Will HO DCC decoders work for S-Gauge locos? The short answer is Yes, that was the intent of the DCC standard. Base units and decoders work on a modified AC power which is always present on the rails. Any base unit should be able to control any decoder (as long as they implement the standard). It is even possible to control one standard DC loco which has no decoder. The longer answer is that the various decoders have their own characteristics. The one in point here is the power capacity. An older universal AC or DC motor like those found in post war Flyer uses track power to run the armature and the field. In modern can motors, the field is provided by permanent magnets. That greatly reduces the power that must be supplied through the rails. Older motors require more power. Bigger motors require more power (most of the time) and heavier locos require more power. That tells us a decoder that is designed to fit in a light weight, can motor HO loco may need far less than an amp. A Flyer loco with an old motor, a smoke unit and one or two incandescent light bulbs will draw much more - maybe 2 or 3 amps. It need not be as physically small as a decoder that fits in an HO loco and it does need to handle more power. To use lower power decoders, you can replace the original motor with a can conversion (S-n-S or Portlines), disconnect the smoke unit (or otherwise wire it so that it does not use the decoder) and wire the light bulbs direct to the track pickups. Then, the hefty variety of HO decoders might do the job. Higher power decoders are available for various manufacturers up to and including decoders that will work for G-Scale or ones that will run AC motors. Check with: http://www.ncedcc.com/ or http://www.digitrax.com/ or http://www.lenz.com/. I would avoid the lower-cost and capability units from Bachmann and the earlier decoders from Atlas. There are other suppliers that make stuff which meets the standards. The Bachmann units are made for lower power needs and some of them do not have the full addressing range that current decoders have. Atlas made units early on that also had limited address capability. Both of those outfits (it seems to me) are really making DCC as a way to sell their own locos rather than as after market units for the general consumer of the very excellent and flexible DCC system. DCC is an open standard supported by the NMRA. It is not the property of any manufacturer. Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 12/1/2011 9:06 AM, Jimbo wrote: > I have been thinking about the dcc for s-gauge. I spent alot of time in the military and we used alot of voltaqe conversions in our radios ie taking a battery unit then plugging it into a vehicle on 26 volts dc, this is old tech. But couldnt this be done with ho dcc units? at a low cost, dont need to redo the wheel just modify it to work with different voltages and amps for the main card. This would keep costs down alot instead of having to design a complete new unit adapt one in use, any ideals from the electrical enginers? > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66808	From: Timboy	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: DCC

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Hi Jimbo, If I understand your question, it looks like: Will HO DCC > decoders work for S-Gauge locos? > > The short answer is Yes, that was the intent of the DCC standard. Base > units and decoders work on a modified AC power which is always present > on the rails. Any base unit should be able to control any decoder (as > long as they implement the standard). It is even possible to control one > standard DC loco which has no decoder. > > The longer answer is that the various decoders have their own > characteristics. The one in point here is the power capacity. An older > universal AC or DC motor like those found in post war Flyer uses track > power to run the armature and the field. In modern can motors, the field > is provided by permanent magnets. That greatly reduces the power that > must be supplied through the rails. Older motors require more power. > Bigger motors require more power (most of the time) and heavier locos > require more power. That tells us a decoder that is designed to fit in a > light weight, can motor HO loco may need far less than an amp. A Flyer > loco with an old motor, a smoke unit and one or two incandescent light > bulbs will draw much more - maybe 2 or 3 amps. It need not be as > physically small as a decoder that fits in an HO loco and it does need > to handle more power. > > To use lower power decoders, you can replace the original motor with a > can conversion (S-n-S or Portlines), disconnect the smoke unit (or > otherwise wire it so that it does not use the decoder) and wire the > light bulbs direct to the track pickups. Then, the hefty variety of HO > decoders might do the job. > > Higher power decoders are available for various manufacturers up to and > including decoders that will work for G-Scale or ones that will run AC > motors. > > Check with: http://www.ncedcc.com/ or http://www.digitrax.com/ or > http://www.lenz.com/. I would avoid the lower-cost and capability units > from Bachmann and the earlier decoders from Atlas. There are other > suppliers that make stuff which meets the standards. > > The Bachmann units are made for lower power needs and some of them do > not have the full addressing range that current decoders have. > > Atlas made units early on that also had limited address capability. > > Both of those outfits (it seems to me) are really making DCC as a way to > sell their own locos rather than as after market units for the general > consumer of the very excellent and flexible DCC system. > > DCC is an open standard supported by the NMRA. It is not the property of > any manufacturer. > > Bill > > Bill Porter > South Florida > > > On 12/1/2011 9:06 AM, Jimbo wrote: > > I have been thinking about the dcc for s-gauge. I spent alot of time in the military and we used alot of voltaqe conversions in our radios ie taking a battery unit then plugging it into a vehicle on 26 volts dc, this is old tech. But couldnt this be done with ho dcc units? at a low cost, dont need to redo the wheel just modify it to work with different voltages and amps for the main card. This would keep costs down alot instead of having to design a complete new unit adapt one in use, any ideals from the electrical enginers? > > > > > Bill, A few years back I converted my entire fleet of vintage Flyer to DCC. I used Loksound decoders with their Loksound programmer, exclusively. I used the Timko can motors in all my steamers. They all ran marvelously. I always powered up the smoke box and lamps directly from the track power. I used a small relay on a function button of my throttle to toggle them on/off. So there is no doubt in my mind that good-quality HO decoders will work. I even discovered that I could use them in my double motored Alcos that I had converted to can motors as well. Unless things have changed dramatically in the past few years, HO decoders are the standard in S gauge. Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66809	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: DCC

Did you replace and intall the units yourself? and the engine units?  I do not plan to castrate my good engines only ones i pick up that need rebuilt and convert them over, it kinda makes me jealous of the ease ho can be changed out, my money is limited but would like to someday convert some units myself, it gives me something to tinker with, but was concerned about the difference in voltage as well as the amps, only have two engines right now, casey jones and a 283 would use the casey as a test bed but not till later tks Jim D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66810	From: Timboy	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: DCC

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> wrote: > > > > Did you replace and intall the units yourself? and the engine units?  I do not > plan to castrate my good engines only ones i pick up that need rebuilt and > convert them over, it kinda makes me jealous of the ease ho can be changed out, > my money is limited but would like to someday convert some units myself, it > gives me something to tinker with, but was concerned about the difference in > voltage as well as the amps, only have two engines right now, casey jones and a > 283 would use the casey as a test bed but not till later tks Jim D. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Jim, Yes I did. Everything was quite easy, from a mechanical standpoint. No need for me to send anything away to have others do what I could easily do myself. But I am handy and have a lot of experience with all aspects of American Flyer repair and rehab. If you are more like an All-Thumbs Train Guy or a Plug 'n Play Train Guy, then I wouldn't advise trying to do it yourself. At any rate, I wouldn't waste my time converting a Casey Jones. My main concern is the cost of converting everything to DCC. The can motors, DCC system, decoders, sound cards, speakers, etc. aren't exactly cheap. Then there is the matter of WHICH DCC system to buy. Every one has it's strong points and everybody has their personal favorite systems. As far as I'm concerned, I would look at the easiest system for me to work with. An integrated wireless throttle is a MUST. Are you willing and/or able to program or re-program decoders yourself? Do you know how to convert your track system to accept a DDC system? Are you adept at de-bugging a complex system? Are you versed in DCC programming lingo, hardware, software and methods? Are you knowledgeable about which digital sound packages are appropriate for which locomotives? Those are just some of the questions a newbie at DCC should research before taking the plunge, IMHO. Regards, Timboy, The Been-There-And-Done-That-Flyer-Guy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66811	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: B&O Railroad Museum Television Network - December 2011 w/ Host: Mich

This month's episode is about B&O's traveling model railroad exhibits.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VDHwosIJOQ&feature=feedu Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66812	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: DCC

Yup, once you go to can motors, they will work. Bill Porter South Florida On 12/1/2011 1:02 PM, Timboy wrote: > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Porter<wpporter@...> wrote: >> Hi Jimbo, If I understand your question, it looks like: Will HO DCC >> decoders work for S-Gauge locos? >> >> The short answer is Yes, that was the intent of the DCC standard. Base >> units and decoders work on a modified AC power which is always present >> on the rails. Any base unit should be able to control any decoder (as >> long as they implement the standard). It is even possible to control one >> standard DC loco which has no decoder. >> >> The longer answer is that the various decoders have their own >> characteristics. The one in point here is the power capacity. An older >> universal AC or DC motor like those found in post war Flyer uses track >> power to run the armature and the field. In modern can motors, the field >> is provided by permanent magnets. That greatly reduces the power that >> must be supplied through the rails. Older motors require more power. >> Bigger motors require more power (most of the time) and heavier locos >> require more power. That tells us a decoder that is designed to fit in a >> light weight, can motor HO loco may need far less than an amp. A Flyer >> loco with an old motor, a smoke unit and one or two incandescent light >> bulbs will draw much more - maybe 2 or 3 amps. It need not be as >> physically small as a decoder that fits in an HO loco and it does need >> to handle more power. >> >> To use lower power decoders, you can replace the original motor with a >> can conversion (S-n-S or Portlines), disconnect the smoke unit (or >> otherwise wire it so that it does not use the decoder) and wire the >> light bulbs direct to the track pickups. Then, the hefty variety of HO >> decoders might do the job. >> >> Higher power decoders are available for various manufacturers up to and >> including decoders that will work for G-Scale or ones that will run AC >> motors. >> >> Check with: http://www.ncedcc.com/ or http://www.digitrax.com/ or >> http://www.lenz.com/. I would avoid the lower-cost and capability units >> from Bachmann and the earlier decoders from Atlas. There are other >> suppliers that make stuff which meets the standards. >> >> The Bachmann units are made for lower power needs and some of them do >> not have the full addressing range that current decoders have. >> >> Atlas made units early on that also had limited address capability. >> >> Both of those outfits (it seems to me) are really making DCC as a way to >> sell their own locos rather than as after market units for the general >> consumer of the very excellent and flexible DCC system. >> >> DCC is an open standard supported by the NMRA. It is not the property of >> any manufacturer. >> >> Bill >> >> Bill Porter >> South Florida >> >> >> On 12/1/2011 9:06 AM, Jimbo wrote: >>> I have been thinking about the dcc for s-gauge. I spent alot of time in the military and we used alot of voltaqe conversions in our radios ie taking a battery unit then plugging it into a vehicle on 26 volts dc, this is old tech. But couldnt this be done with ho dcc units? at a low cost, dont need to redo the wheel just modify it to work with different voltages and amps for the main card. This would keep costs down alot instead of having to design a complete new unit adapt one in use, any ideals from the electrical enginers? >>> >>> > Bill, > > A few years back I converted my entire fleet of vintage Flyer to DCC. I used Loksound decoders with their Loksound programmer, exclusively. I used the Timko can motors in all my steamers. They all ran marvelously. I always powered up the smoke box and lamps directly from the track power. I used a small relay on a function button of my throttle to toggle them on/off. So there is no doubt in my mind that good-quality HO decoders will work. I even discovered that I could use them in my double motored Alcos that I had converted to can motors as well. Unless things have changed dramatically in the past few years, HO decoders are the standard in S gauge. > > Regards, > Timboy > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66813	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: DCC

I don't think anyone makes DC can motors that fit in the Casey Jones locos. Not sure, but......... As regards the "ease" of converting S-Gauge locos to DCC. It's a piece of cake. Steve SnS In a message dated 12/1/2011 2:57:26 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, jad01@... writes: Did you replace and intall the units yourself? and the engine units? I do not plan to castrate my good engines only ones i pick up that need rebuilt and convert them over, it kinda makes me jealous of the ease ho can be changed out, my money is limited but would like to someday convert some units myself, it gives me something to tinker with, but was concerned about the difference in voltage as well as the amps, only have two engines right now, casey jones and a 283 would use the casey as a test bed but not till later tks Jim D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66814	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: DCC

I am intriqued by it.  I am not yet familar enough yet to gut an engine in this way, but in the military I did high tech repairs, satelite, com-security equipment, frequency jumping radios etc and the old stuff tube radios, analog telephones, wiring systems. the programing i am not a familiar with yet so I am in no hurry, the reason I am asking questions now, when I first entered the military was taught to repair down to the component, not the chug and plugers today.  Being dissabled now this gives me something to think about and maybe plan on at least to keep my mind busy   I did early simple programing with c-64 puters, but sometimes have trouble remembering steps part of my dissablity whent to desert storm and since everthing has gone to heck.  My son is now in school and my wife looking for a job as a teacher she got her masters last year, I need something other than reading are watching tv to do.  I love the feel of S gauge, ho is cool but not rugged enough (military experence hehe), o just dosnt feel right, and I loved model building when I was younger.       And I understand, I first gotta learn to crawl before I can run etc etc with the trains, and the price does keep me limited right now.  I looked at legacy and the price just floored me on the costs, why i asked questions about ho conversions to s trains because of costs being more acceptable, I first want to rebuild some of the broken trains myself then move up into dcc at a later date, looked at the schametics on the older ones and can understand them, but like to pick peoples brains about rebuilding them with questions, I know there are allways little hidden tricks to rebuilding stuff to make it work are to up grade it, schametics never tell you everthing I am out of practice been out of military since 98. Things being what they where I didnt have time to really do anything like this, but now have more free time on my hands.  I can be very patient, I have to be everthing I do now has to be planed how long I can work, how long I can stand what can I do and not do around the house, etc.   Why I had asked about DCC for S gauge, I heard about TMC it i got it right but nothing on the dcc side for it, hoping to at least lower some of the costs because ho has such a large market in dcc, its not just about the sounds its about the controls etc.  I imagine it will be at least a year before i play around with dcc in s gauge, been looking at buying a bachman simple dcc set just to learn,( are is it waste of time), dont know because still reading watching and learning.  Its kinda hard here becasue I live in  Aiken, SC and havent found any s gauge clubs, there is a medium train club in cloumbia sc (80 mile drive one way)they do everthing but s scale, they tore up there s scale track and used most of it on there O scale, the S scale is just a small oval now and the track needs reapir. they also do ho and n scale and they dont do much in reapairs the tracks are not in the best shape although they did upgrade to dcc for all three but alot of the equpiment no longer works and the parts have been lost to them.  I understand there is one in Greenberg, SC but that is way to far to drive in a day and back. Tks Jim D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66815	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Lionel part

http://www.lionel.com/CustomerService/ReplacementParts/index.cfm?doAction=productPartFilter&number=6-49036&productID=6baae2d5-7292-4d55-9e88-6854e7d680c4 I had to finally bite the bullet on my Lionel AF 974 Erie Operating car, as the epoxy truck broke off again, but this time, the hole that holds the wheel in place broke too. So the wheel will fall out. Sooo, I contacted Lionel and they sent me the parts one can purchase for the car. Interesting, as they probably have this set up for every thing they make. However, the car is going back to Steve, since it is now DCC and he thinks he can just put some SHS trucks on it, which he did with another car. Ahh, the joys of Lionel and I still like Neil Young no matter. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66816	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel part

I bought their replacement trucks too , only to find out that they are no better , these trucks are of poor design and bad metal and yet are still in production ? untill that changes no more flyonel for Me . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66817	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel part

I was told they are not in "production", but, ON HAND, they will not destroy a defective product as long as they can deplete the inventory and we will pay for it. I too was offered the same trucks to replace the defective trucks on my operating car. It was bought for an Operating Display layout. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/1/2011 9:07:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, roninscho@... writes: I bought their replacement trucks too , only to find out that they are no better , these trucks are of poor design and bad metal and yet are still in production ? untill that changes no more flyonel for Me . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66818	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: B&O Railroad Museum Television Network - December 2011 w/ Host:

Interesting trains in that traveling case from a bunch of different eras, with both sheet metal and sintered iron trucks. The top engine looks to me like a 28_ series engine with a cast trailing truck substituted as well as perhaps streamlined passenger trucks on the tender. The Royal Blue looks like early production with a very special paint job plus a cut out front window section. The Blue and Orange box cars are from 56-57 with the other cars a bit earlier. I also noted no caboose. Interesting collection of B&O customized rolling stock. Dale On 12/1/2011 3:26 PM, Brady Burdge wrote: > > This month's episode is about B&O's traveling model railroad exhibits.. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VDHwosIJOQ&feature=feedu > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VDHwosIJOQ&feature=feedu> > > Brady Burdge > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66819	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: DCC ARTICLE

With all the talk about DCC Etc...... And most of us are in the dark.... Me too!!! .... Why can't someone write a step by step article with instructions from a to z on how to do it.... Along with a parts list of what to buy,,,,, Maybe the dealers can put together a set of parts to do it.... Motors, Controllers, Wiring, Etc.... Maybe how to do a Pacific, or Atlantic.... So if you follow the list you can set it on the track and away it goes..... Choo chooing. Whistling, Squealing, Uncoupling, Etc.... All set to run on AF Track ...... AND KEEP IT SIMPLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KISS IT !!!!!!!!! Bob Conner   Stumpy..... Heres something for you to do..... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66820	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel part

Holy crap. That is terrible. Sorry. Unbelievable, as they wanted to sell me a replacement for the junk I already have with more junk? Who are they kidding. But problem solved with SHS trucks. Mike From: WJJIM@... Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:10 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel part I was told they are not in "production", but, ON HAND, they will not destroy a defective product as long as they can deplete the inventory and we will pay for it. I too was offered the same trucks to replace the defective trucks on my operating car. It was bought for an Operating Display layout. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/1/2011 9:07:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mailto:roninscho%40centurylink.net writes: I bought their replacement trucks too , only to find out that they are no better , these trucks are of poor design and bad metal and yet are still in production ? untill that changes no more flyonel for Me . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66821	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel part

In the food business, when there is a recall for say Ground Beef, as I have spent many days going to my customers picking up tainted ground beef, the maker has to throw away the product they have left in inventory or they might kill someone. I guess no one will die from a defected Lionel replacement truck, except maybe Mosquito, the short stop on the D&K Pinheads baseball team in my little town. Tragic if the Lionel AF C&O passenger deluxe car they take for travel falls apart and the whole team is wiped out. Mike From: WJJIM@... Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:10 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel part I was told they are not in "production", but, ON HAND, they will not destroy a defective product as long as they can deplete the inventory and we will pay for it. I too was offered the same trucks to replace the defective trucks on my operating car. It was bought for an Operating Display layout. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/1/2011 9:07:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mailto:roninscho%40centurylink.net writes: I bought their replacement trucks too , only to find out that they are no better , these trucks are of poor design and bad metal and yet are still in production ? untill that changes no more flyonel for Me . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66822	From: Donald Keil	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: DCC ARTICLE

I think that Robert had a very good idea. Just back into american flyer with no dc experience. Step by step would be great.  Don Keil ________________________________ From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2011 9:08 PM Subject: [S-Trains] DCC ARTICLE   With all the talk about DCC Etc...... And most of us are in the dark.... Me too!!! .... Why can't someone write a step by step article with instructions from a to z on how to do it.... Along with a parts list of what to buy,,,,, Maybe the dealers can put together a set of parts to do it.... Motors, Controllers, Wiring, Etc.... Maybe how to do a Pacific, or Atlantic.... So if you follow the list you can set it on the track and away it goes..... Choo chooing. Whistling, Squealing, Uncoupling, Etc.... All set to run on AF Track ...... AND KEEP IT SIMPLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KISS IT !!!!!!!!! Bob Conner   Stumpy..... Heres something for you to do..... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66823	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel part

Replacing the trucks with SHS trucks. No more problem. Did I ever mention that sometimes trains are like tropical fish? If you had tropical fish, like I did for 25 years, bred Angels for many years, you will get the joke. But guess what, the trains replaced the fish. Mike From: Ron Inscho Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:02 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel part I bought their replacement trucks too , only to find out that they are no better , these trucks are of poor design and bad metal and yet are still in production ? untill that changes no more flyonel for Me . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66824	From: Timboy	Date: 12/1/2011
Subject: Re: DCC

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > I don't think anyone makes DC can motors that fit in the Casey Jones > locos. Not sure, but......... > As regards the "ease" of converting S-Gauge locos to DCC. It's a piece of > cake. > Steve > SnS > > > In a message dated 12/1/2011 2:57:26 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > jad01@... writes: > > > > > > > Did you replace and intall the units yourself? and the engine units? I do > not > plan to castrate my good engines only ones i pick up that need rebuilt and > convert them over, it kinda makes me jealous of the ease ho can be changed > out, > my money is limited but would like to someday convert some units myself, > it > gives me something to tinker with, but was concerned about the difference > in > voltage as well as the amps, only have two engines right now, casey jones > and a > 283 would use the casey as a test bed but not till later tks Jim D. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Steve & Flyer Nation, There is DCC decoder installation and then there is DCC decoder installation. I agree that it is relatively easy to drop in a pre-programmed DCC decoder into a loco and let 'er rip. However, if one were to take it to the very highest level, then that is a whole 'nuther story. The best example I know of in S Gauge is a gentleman who hasn't posted to this List in quite some time and I will respect his anonymity. Last I heard, he was programming his decoders with prototypical sounds he grabbed from various digital & analog sources and cobbling them up up into one coherent sound package. It takes some cool software AND familiarity with prototype AND more patience than most of us Toy Train Guys have. He also sync'd his motor sounds with an electronic smoke unit so every digital chuff was in time with a huge smoke puff. This is not your routine DCC refit installation. I'm just sayin' - for the benefit of all the Wannabe Train Guys out there to know what the highest level of achievement in Flyer DCC re-fit might be. I figure if we know what the highest level is, we can then do a knowledgeable distillation to what we can each deal with. Regards, Timboy, The Vintage Flyer Guy Who Knows Enough To Be Dangerous

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66825	From: David	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: 1/16" METALLIC GOLD PIN STRIPING (Advertisement)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 66826	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Both DCC and TMCC?

Our club runs an S-MOD standard two-track modular layout. Both tracks were designed to be independent of their power source so we can use any kind of power on either mainline. Recently, we have been running TMCC-controlled engines on both mainlines simultaneously, with the base unit connected to one of the mainlines and the other powered by standard AC transformer. Suppose we powered that other mainline with a DCC power source rather than the AC transformer. Is it possible to run an engine under TMCC control on that DCC mainline at the same time as we are running an engine under DCC control on that same mainline? Does DCC operate on AC or DC power? If it's DC, will the Lionel TMCC engines operate on DC or do they require AC? Sent from my iPhone [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66827	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: End of the Line for 'S'?.......

I keep reading notices about companies discontinuing their S scale product line, or that others can't get product because of problems in China, etc. I feel like I'm seeing the beginning of the end for S scale, and if so, I sure picked a lousy time to make the switch over from 'N'. Some encouraging words, please................... Mark in Oregon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66828	From: Brady	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: MR Project Layout - Virginian Railway

The folks at Model Railroader Magazine have a new 4 x 8 project layout coming up and it's based on the Virginian.. http://mrr.trains.com/Videos/MR%20Project%20Layouts/2011/11/Build%20the%20Virginian%20-%20A%204x8%20with%20more.aspx The layout is HO but it looks like it would make a great S pike in (maybe) 5 x 10 Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66829	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: My First Outside trip

My first outside trip from the house in 3.5 weeks since the knee replacement was to mail my fine AF Lionel Erie Action box car to Steve at S n S trains. I have been going back and forth with Lionel on the bad trucks. Hopefully Steve can put some SHS trucks on the car. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66830	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Re: End of the line for S?

Don't panic just yet! We've seen this sort of thing before since the late thirties and S is still around. Heck, when slot cars came along, people thought "trains are dead." When Gilbert went under in '66 it was widely predicted to be the "end of the world!" But S is still here. New product may be tough to get from time to time, but that just means you'll have to switch from buying everything to building some things. If you're a former "scale" model railroader, building stuff should be no problem. If you're a RTR only guy, perhaps it's time to learn. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66831	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Re: End of the Line for 'S'?.......

I think the situation "S" is currently in is the "constant". No need to be afraid, most of the bigger suppliers will work thru this, other smaller guys will wade in. I am MUCH more concerned about the "demographic" of "S" gaugers, primarily the advancing age and dearth of younger people joining in, than the suppliers. There is still loads of unsold new merchandise out there, unfortunately not easy to find it, but, it is there. I stopped carrying boxes of new stuff to train shows last year. Even now, many "S" guys won't buy it unless they are "given" the merchandise, it is carried to their cars and unloaded at home for them. Just my thoughts. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/2/2011 1:06:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mugnai@... writes: I keep reading notices about companies discontinuing their S scale product line, or that others can't get product because of problems in China, etc. I feel like I'm seeing the beginning of the end for S scale, and if so, I sure picked a lousy time to make the switch over from 'N'. Some encouraging words, please................... Mark in Oregon ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66832	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Re: End of the Line for 'S'?.......NO WAY JOSE !

Lets stop negative talk like this. We have simply hit a bump in the road. Moderator, please stop this thread before it gets unwound. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 12/2/2011 12:06:38 P.M. Central Standard Time, mugnai@... writes: I keep reading notices about companies discontinuing their S scale product line, or that others can't get product because of problems in China, etc. I feel like I'm seeing the beginning of the end for S scale, and if so, I sure picked a lousy time to make the switch over from 'N'. Some encouraging words, please................... Mark in Oregon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66833	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Re: End of the Line for 'S'?.......

Mark,      All scales have their ups & downs. Please remember that "S" is not followed by as many as other scales (HO & O) because the TRAIN MAGS only have advertisers in those other scales with very deep pockets. Just take a look at the rates they charge for advertising. The big boys in "S" just don't, for the most part, have that kind of money myself included. We depend on word of mouth and GREAT CLIENTS such as yourself to get the word out about our product lines. Thanks to groups like this one we have a chance to succeed if everyone else will pass a positive word on a regular basis to other would-be "S" scalers and keep the "S" community growing. With out everyone in "S" coming together and promoting the scale to everyone they come into contact we will surely be limited in what we can purchase and will, as in the old days, be forced into scratch building and modifying other scales to fit "S". At least this is the way I see it. REALLY HOPE I AM PROVEN WRONG. Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT FEED BACK. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc   --- On Fri, 12/2/11, Mark Mugnai <mugnai@...> wrote: From: Mark Mugnai <mugnai@...> Subject: [S-Trains] End of the Line for 'S'?....... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 1:05 PM   I keep reading notices about companies discontinuing their S scale product line, or that others can't get product because of problems in China, etc. I feel like I'm seeing the beginning of the end for S scale, and if so, I sure picked a lousy time to make the switch over from 'N'. Some encouraging words, please................... Mark in Oregon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66834	From: R G	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Re: End of the Line for 'S'?.......

Do not give up hope yet.  Not all American Models production is in China and he has alot available right now and S-Helper should have production resuming in 2012.  Additionally there is a ton of Flyer available at resonalble cost.  Lionel is committed to S-Scale and has actually been producing it longer than the AC Gilbert company did .  S-Scale production at Lionel resume in 1979 and this marks the 22nd year for Lionel.  Most of us in S are enjoying new products and with new technologies such as resin kits there is more in S right now than at any time in the past. ________________________________ From: Mark Mugnai <mugnai@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 1:05 PM Subject: [S-Trains] End of the Line for 'S'?.......   I keep reading notices about companies discontinuing their S scale product line, or that others can't get product because of problems in China, etc. I feel like I'm seeing the beginning of the end for S scale, and if so, I sure picked a lousy time to make the switch over from 'N'. Some encouraging words, please................... Mark in Oregon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66835	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Fw: Service/Repair Question

I have been going back and forth with Lionel on the truck issue. Jim Lyle, could you tell me the person at Lionel you spoke to about the trucks. I think his first name was Mike. Scott confirms that they are still selling replacement parts with the old design of truck. What I wrote Scott below. Mike Scott, Thanks for the reply. I will get you the name of the employee who told a Jim Lyle that the trucks are being redesign. So you confirm that the replacement part is the same quality and in time will have the same result. I just can not believe that Lionel would continue to sell a poorly design product without replacing the trucks with new product. So, since Lionel knows about this problem, it would of cost me 25 dollars, plus shipping, to fix a problem maybe short term only to have it happen again. And I have to pay someone, the labor to do this, as it probably will be 50 dollars or more, plus shipping the car to him and back. Someone needs to get on the ball and get redesign truck ASAP. You have a limited customer base and stuff like this is a big turn off in buying future products from anyone, not just in the train world. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Talk To US Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:17 PM To: mlmarmer@... Subject: RE: Service/Repair Question Mike, Thank you for the heads up, and I am sorry about your disappointment. Who told you we redesigned the trucks, as that would be helpful information for me to share with customers with future inquiries. If we had a redesigned the trucks and then received them, they would be assigned a different part number so there would be a way of distinguishing them. As it is, I have no different trucks at my disposal, so I guess your conclusion of the new trucks having the same quality as the old, is probably correct. I am not being sarcastic about asking who told you, if it was someone in Lionel I do need their name, as I would love to have the access to the trucks you desire. Thank you Scott ________________________________________ From: Michael & Linda Marmer [mlmarmer@...] Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:23 AM To: Talk To US Subject: Re: Service/Repair Question Dear Lionel, Thank you for your help the other day, but I will decline to buy the part I need, frame with riveted trucks. I am told that the replacement part will be just the same trucks of inferior quality and that Lionel is not going to bring in the new redesigned trucks until it depletes it inventory. I find this very sad on your part if true. So, my solution is to use S Helper Service trucks, as my repair person will re-rivet the SHS trucks to the frame. He has done this before with another action car I have from Lionel. I don't think I will ever buy another Lionel product again. I think it is sad that you know about the problem of the trucks on these cars and you don't stand behind what you sell no matter the warranty. Sincerely. Mike Marmer -----Original Message----- From: Talk To US Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:29 AM To: Michael & Linda Marmer Subject: RE: Service/Repair Question Michael, It appears that they are riveted to the frame. The only way to replace it is to replace the frame. Here is a link to the parts list: http://www.lionel.com/CustomerService/ReplacementParts/index.cfm?doAction=productPartFilter&number=6-49036&productID=6baae2d5-7292-4d55-9e88-6854e7d680c4. Thank You, Lionel -----Original Message----- From: Michael & Linda Marmer [mailto:mlmarmer@...] Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:20 AM To: Talk To US Subject: Re: Service/Repair Question Hi, thanks for the help as I found the number. 6-49824 which is a 770 loading platform and car unit. I need to order new trucks for the car. I am out of warranty, but this is a problem that Lionel knows about. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Talk To US Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 8:25 AM To: mlmarmer@... Subject: RE: Service/Repair Question Michael, Hello, the only way we can look up the parts or order parts is buy the product number. It is a 6-XXXXX number found on the box. If you can't find it follow this link and put in the name of your engine go through the pictures and you will find the 6-number under it. http://www.lionel.com/Products/Finder/ Thank you Talk TO Us -----Original Message----- From: mlmarmer@... [mailto:mlmarmer@...] Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:48 AM To: TECH SUPPORT Subject: Service/Repair Question From: Michael Marmer 20461 Afternoon Lane germantown MD 20874 301-540-4145 mlmarmer@... Product Number: unknow Transformer: Track: Switches: Club Membership Number: N/A Question: I have one of your AF Erie Action box car, a reproduction of the AF 974. I dod not know the Lionel number. The side trucks have broken off, as this is a problem that you know about. but I need to replace the trucks. How do I order replacement trucks for this car.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66836	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Re: End of the Line for 'S'?.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY&ob=av3n It’s the End of the World as We Know It? Sorry could not resist sending this song by REM. On another note, I wrote back to my friends at Lionel, telling thanks but no thanks on the replacement frame with crappy still trucks. I bet I don’t get a response. LOL Hang in there Mark, these manufacturers are not throwing in the towel yet. Mike From: Mark Mugnai Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:05 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] End of the Line for 'S'?....... I keep reading notices about companies discontinuing their S scale product line, or that others can't get product because of problems in China, etc. I feel like I'm seeing the beginning of the end for S scale, and if so, I sure picked a lousy time to make the switch over from 'N'. Some encouraging words, please................... Mark in Oregon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66837	From: R G	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Re: Both DCC and TMCC?

I cannot speak for DCC but TMCC locomotives are strickly AC as DC power will fry the circuits ________________________________ From: The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 12:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Both DCC and TMCC?   Our club runs an S-MOD standard two-track modular layout. Both tracks were designed to be independent of their power source so we can use any kind of power on either mainline. Recently, we have been running TMCC-controlled engines on both mainlines simultaneously, with the base unit connected to one of the mainlines and the other powered by standard AC transformer. Suppose we powered that other mainline with a DCC power source rather than the AC transformer. Is it possible to run an engine under TMCC control on that DCC mainline at the same time as we are running an engine under DCC control on that same mainline? Does DCC operate on AC or DC power? If it's DC, will the Lionel TMCC engines operate on DC or do they require AC? Sent from my iPhone [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66838	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: End of S ??

As of NOW, the PVMR guys have 3 "S" layouts ready to open at 8 AM on Saturday, two in a local church, the third in the local Township Bldg. All three will be open at the same time in the two different buildings by 1 PM tomorrow, before the church layout closes and the Twp show goes on til 4 PM. In reality the show at the Township building runs thru the end of January, being open every weekend from 1 til 4 PM, except Christmas Day. Doubt we ever concerned ourselves with non-availability, we have just soldiered on. The largest at 144. square ft has been around since 1993 when it was born at 64 Sq ft. in my home ( a re-creation of my sixties layout ). The others, one now at 28 sq.ft. is currently running as a THOMAS layout, the other, built by Glenn Ritter runs primarily A/F. We also have O & HO, but, the "S" has the most push buttons, etc. _http://www.gartrain.com/PVMRPARADISE2011-2012.html_ (http://www.gartrain.com/PVMRPARADISE2011-2012.html) Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66839	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Paradise ( PA )

I just sent this to my newspaper Editor friend, IF you were following us in Paradise tomorrow-----you would find two PVMR "S" layouts at the Leacock Presbyterian Church from 9 til 1 PM during their annual Christmas Bazaar. You would want to have a hearty lunch so you could help tear down and move those two layouts, the bigger of which will move to the Paradise Township building where it will join FOUR other layouts already set up & running, by 1 PM. Those four layouts, the 8 ft X 18 ft "S" gauge ( primarily American Flyer ) layout has many push buttons for children of any age to light lights, sound whistles and horns, move cows, Trolleys, THOMAS and weld an automobile. The adjoining "O" layout looks like it could have been in a fifties living room, except maybe for the tree that tops out over 12 ft high. That layout runs trains by MARX, LIONEL, maybe pre-war Flyer and has a large presence of WILLIAMS by Bachmann "O" trains. Has lots of buttons, too. Next to the that, THOMAS and Percy hold court on the Island Of Sodor, once again with help from Bachmann. Look for "Gilligan's presence, too. Listen to a "new" whistle sound from DALLEE. Beside THOMAS and Friends, one of the "S" layouts will find a home til the end of January, beside the reproduction ( 1 of only 10 ) 1955 LIONEL D-148 Dealer layouts. That layout runs an additional 4 "O" trains of almost any age, at the time of running. So, in case you want to escape the office, you know where we'll be. Jim ALMOST FORGOT, Sunday evening, the Township Christmas Tree Lighting will take place at 7 PM, probably be trains running then too ( I'd bet on it ). Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66840	From: Timboy	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Re: Both DCC and TMCC?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, The Upstairs Train <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: > > Our club runs an S-MOD standard two-track modular layout. Both tracks > were designed to be independent of their power source so we can use > any kind of power on either mainline. > > Recently, we have been running TMCC-controlled engines on both > mainlines simultaneously, with the base unit connected to one of the > mainlines and the other powered by standard AC transformer. > > Suppose we powered that other mainline with a DCC power source rather > than the AC transformer. Is it possible to run an engine under TMCC > control on that > DCC mainline at the same time as we are running an engine under DCC > control on that same mainline? > > Does DCC operate on AC or DC power? If it's DC, will the Lionel TMCC > engines operate on DC or do they require AC? > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > The Upstairs Train & Flyer Nation, I waited a while to see if anyone else would respond because I didn't want to be the only one posting to this topic. However... I will address part of the DCC question. DCC uses a high-frequency binary DC wave pulse that is sorta, kinda AC-like, but not in any form that is usable by vintage Flyer locos or operating cars - without provisions. IMHO, it's too bad that DCC was not invented by someone of the Flyer Nation. Too bad, because that high-frequency digital pulse makes vibrating mat technology unusable - unless certain provisions that few are either unwilling or unknowledgeable to make are done. Further info can be obtained by Googling "DCC". I hope my little teaser piques your interest to do some independent research on the topic. Literally, a book can be written on it, so it is beyond a simple post such as this - unless you can accept my "Reader's Digest" version. Anyone else? Regards, Timboy, The Bob-The-Builder Train Guy http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66841	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Service/Repair Question

Make sure you read Scott’s email to me, after you read my reply to him. Not sure if I was clear that I had Scott’s email below all this. Mike From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:56 PM To: S Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Service/Repair Question I have been going back and forth with Lionel on the truck issue. Jim Lyle, could you tell me the person at Lionel you spoke to about the trucks. I think his first name was Mike. Scott confirms that they are still selling replacement parts with the old design of truck. What I wrote Scott below. Mike Scott, Thanks for the reply. I will get you the name of the employee who told a Jim Lyle that the trucks are being redesign. So you confirm that the replacement part is the same quality and in time will have the same result. I just can not believe that Lionel would continue to sell a poorly design product without replacing the trucks with new product. So, since Lionel knows about this problem, it would of cost me 25 dollars, plus shipping, to fix a problem maybe short term only to have it happen again. And I have to pay someone, the labor to do this, as it probably will be 50 dollars or more, plus shipping the car to him and back. Someone needs to get on the ball and get redesign truck ASAP. You have a limited customer base and stuff like this is a big turn off in buying future products from anyone, not just in the train world. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Talk To US Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:17 PM To: mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net Subject: RE: Service/Repair Question Mike, Thank you for the heads up, and I am sorry about your disappointment. Who told you we redesigned the trucks, as that would be helpful information for me to share with customers with future inquiries. If we had a redesigned the trucks and then received them, they would be assigned a different part number so there would be a way of distinguishing them. As it is, I have no different trucks at my disposal, so I guess your conclusion of the new trucks having the same quality as the old, is probably correct. I am not being sarcastic about asking who told you, if it was someone in Lionel I do need their name, as I would love to have the access to the trucks you desire. Thank you Scott ________________________________________ From: Michael & Linda Marmer [mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net] Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:23 AM To: Talk To US Subject: Re: Service/Repair Question Dear Lionel, Thank you for your help the other day, but I will decline to buy the part I need, frame with riveted trucks. I am told that the replacement part will be just the same trucks of inferior quality and that Lionel is not going to bring in the new redesigned trucks until it depletes it inventory. I find this very sad on your part if true. So, my solution is to use S Helper Service trucks, as my repair person will re-rivet the SHS trucks to the frame. He has done this before with another action car I have from Lionel. I don't think I will ever buy another Lionel product again. I think it is sad that you know about the problem of the trucks on these cars and you don't stand behind what you sell no matter the warranty. Sincerely. Mike Marmer -----Original Message----- From: Talk To US Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:29 AM To: Michael & Linda Marmer Subject: RE: Service/Repair Question Michael, It appears that they are riveted to the frame. The only way to replace it is to replace the frame. Here is a link to the parts list: http://www.lionel.com/CustomerService/ReplacementParts/index.cfm?doAction=productPartFilter&number=6-49036&productID=6baae2d5-7292-4d55-9e88-6854e7d680c4. Thank You, Lionel -----Original Message----- From: Michael & Linda Marmer [mailto:mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:20 AM To: Talk To US Subject: Re: Service/Repair Question Hi, thanks for the help as I found the number. 6-49824 which is a 770 loading platform and car unit. I need to order new trucks for the car. I am out of warranty, but this is a problem that Lionel knows about. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Talk To US Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 8:25 AM To: mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net Subject: RE: Service/Repair Question Michael, Hello, the only way we can look up the parts or order parts is buy the product number. It is a 6-XXXXX number found on the box. If you can't find it follow this link and put in the name of your engine go through the pictures and you will find the 6-number under it. http://www.lionel.com/Products/Finder/ Thank you Talk TO Us -----Original Message----- From: mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net [mailto:mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:48 AM To: TECH SUPPORT Subject: Service/Repair Question From: Michael Marmer 20461 Afternoon Lane germantown MD 20874 301-540-4145 mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net Product Number: unknow Transformer: Track: Switches: Club Membership Number: N/A Question: I have one of your AF Erie Action box car, a reproduction of the AF 974. I dod not know the Lionel number. The side trucks have broken off, as this is a problem that you know about. but I need to replace the trucks. How do I order replacement trucks for this car. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66842	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Service/Repair Question

This the same sort of reply I got when contacted Lionel with the same trouble about the trucks and that was 5 years ago , ( it appears to be riveted) ????? It was easy to see that there is nobody at Lionel that it the least bit knowledgable about any of the products let alone the AF items, this trouble with the AF trucks is something they have known about for some time and yet they choose to use this defective truck on the current production items that are selling at even higher prices It beats Me ?? -----Original Message----- From: Talk To US Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:29 AM To: Michael & Linda Marmer Subject: RE: Service/Repair Question Michael, It appears that they are riveted to the frame. The only way to replace it is to replace the frame. Here is a link to the parts list: http://www.lionel.com/CustomerService/ReplacementParts/index.cfm?doAction=productPartFilter&number=6-49036&productID=6baae2d5-7292-4d55-9e88-6854e7d680c4. Thank You, Lionel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66843	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Service/Repair Question

I do not believe LIONEL has redesigned the trucks in question, they are aware the truck is prone to failure and will continue to sell them until the supply is depleted ( obviously makes good money sense ). They admitted the trucks were not of good design and also that they would be sold until gone. Only concern for the dollar, apparently, not the value of the piece being defective. MOST people, it seems, don't complain, they put the broken piece back in the box and move on, they take their "licks". Ours ( PVMR's ) sits on a shelf in the barn, eighty bucks more or less, down the tubes. We have become used to defective merchandise, we allow it to happen ( at least with LIONEL, maybe not others ) we are conditioned to do so. As far as LIONEL personnel I have talked to, Matt Ashba, Rich Convery, Mike Reagan, J Don Reese and others. NO one can do anything for you, but take your money. THAT is the way their system works. ALL nice people, BTW. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/2/2011 9:33:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mlmarmer@... writes: Make sure you read Scott’s email to me, after you read my reply to him. Not sure if I was clear that I had Scott’s email below all this. Mike From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:56 PM To: S Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: Service/Repair Question I have been going back and forth with Lionel on the truck issue. Jim Lyle, could you tell me the person at Lionel you spoke to about the trucks. I think his first name was Mike. Scott confirms that they are still selling replacement parts with the old design of truck. What I wrote Scott below. Mike Scott, Thanks for the reply. I will get you the name of the employee who told a Jim Lyle that the trucks are being redesign. So you confirm that the replacement part is the same quality and in time will have the same result. I just can not believe that Lionel would continue to sell a poorly design product without replacing the trucks with new product. So, since Lionel knows about this problem, it would of cost me 25 dollars, plus shipping, to fix a problem maybe short term only to have it happen again. And I have to pay someone, the labor to do this, as it probably will be 50 dollars or more, plus shipping the car to him and back. Someone needs to get on the ball and get redesign truck ASAP. You have a limited customer base and stuff like this is a big turn off in buying future products from anyone, not just in the train world. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Talk To US Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 1:17 PM To: mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net Subject: RE: Service/Repair Question Mike, Thank you for the heads up, and I am sorry about your disappointment. Who told you we redesigned the trucks, as that would be helpful information for me to share with customers with future inquiries. If we had a redesigned the trucks and then received them, they would be assigned a different part number so there would be a way of distinguishing them. As it is, I have no different trucks at my disposal, so I guess your conclusion of the new trucks having the same quality as the old, is probably correct. I am not being sarcastic about asking who told you, if it was someone in Lionel I do need their name, as I would love to have the access to the trucks you desire. Thank you Scott ________________________________________ From: Michael & Linda Marmer [mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net] Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:23 AM To: Talk To US Subject: Re: Service/Repair Question Dear Lionel, Thank you for your help the other day, but I will decline to buy the part I need, frame with riveted trucks. I am told that the replacement part will be just the same trucks of inferior quality and that Lionel is not going to bring in the new redesigned trucks until it depletes it inventory. I find this very sad on your part if true. So, my solution is to use S Helper Service trucks, as my repair person will re-rivet the SHS trucks to the frame. He has done this before with another action car I have from Lionel. I don't think I will ever buy another Lionel product again. I think it is sad that you know about the problem of the trucks on these cars and you don't stand behind what you sell no matter the warranty. Sincerely. Mike Marmer -----Original Message----- From: Talk To US Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:29 AM To: Michael & Linda Marmer Subject: RE: Service/Repair Question Michael, It appears that they are riveted to the frame. The only way to replace it is to replace the frame. Here is a link to the parts list: http://www.lionel.com/CustomerService/ReplacementParts/index.cfm?doAction=pr oductPartFilter&number=6-49036&productID=6baae2d5-7292-4d55-9e88-6854e7d680c 4. Thank You, Lionel -----Original Message----- From: Michael & Linda Marmer [mailto:mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:20 AM To: Talk To US Subject: Re: Service/Repair Question Hi, thanks for the help as I found the number. 6-49824 which is a 770 loading platform and car unit. I need to order new trucks for the car. I am out of warranty, but this is a problem that Lionel knows about. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Talk To US Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 8:25 AM To: mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net Subject: RE: Service/Repair Question Michael, Hello, the only way we can look up the parts or order parts is buy the product number. It is a 6-XXXXX number found on the box. If you can't find it follow this link and put in the name of your engine go through the pictures and you will find the 6-number under it. http://www.lionel.com/Products/Finder/ Thank you Talk TO Us -----Original Message----- From: mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net [mailto:mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:48 AM To: TECH SUPPORT Subject: Service/Repair Question From: Michael Marmer 20461 Afternoon Lane germantown MD 20874 301-540-4145 mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net Product Number: unknow Transformer: Track: Switches: Club Membership Number: N/A Question: I have one of your AF Erie Action box car, a reproduction of the AF 974. I dod not know the Lionel number. The side trucks have broken off, as this is a problem that you know about. but I need to replace the trucks. How do I order replacement trucks for this car. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 66844	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Service/Repair Question

IF I recall, the "rivets" are actually white metal "pins" that are supposed to hold it together when "peened". Pins are to small, to have enough strength to hold the truck together. LIONEL admits the product is defective, also states they will not replace it until depleted. I guess the 'actuaries" claim they lose less by offending customers than they do by replacing a defective product. Buyer Beware. BTW, the car PVMR has was bought by vote, not because I personally wanted it. We also bought the "Baldwin" switcher at the same time, it made three laps around the layout, stopped and smoked on the tracks. It was replaced by the dealer we bought it from, NOT LIONEL. Since we try to represent the PRR & the READING, the CNW Baldwin sits on a shelf also. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/2/2011 10:37:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, roninscho@... writes: it appears to be riveted) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66845	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 12/2/2011
Subject: Re: End of S ??

bad link below On Dec 2, 2011, at 6:09 PM, WJJIM@... wrote: > As of NOW, the PVMR guys have 3 "S" layouts ready to open at 8 AM on > Saturday, two in a local church, the third in the local Township > Bldg. All > three will be open at the same time in the two different buildings > by 1 PM > tomorrow, before the church layout closes and the Twp show goes on > til 4 PM. > In reality the show at the Township building runs thru the end of > January, > being open every weekend from 1 til 4 PM, except Christmas Day. > Doubt we ever concerned ourselves with non-availability, we have just > soldiered on. The largest at 144. square ft has been around since > 1993 when > it was born at 64 Sq ft. in my home ( a re-creation of my sixties > layout ). > The others, one now at 28 sq.ft. is currently running as a THOMAS > layout, the other, built by Glenn Ritter runs primarily A/F. We > also have O & > HO, but, the "S" has the most push buttons, etc. > > (http://www.gartrain.com/PVMRPARADISE2011-2012.html) > > > > Jim Lyle > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66846	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Troubled Waters

I think all trains are in trouble in the US, no one gives them much mind with the young generation. Without money new tooling is very expensive, too bad they didnt keep all the tool and dies from gilbert instead of just trying to use new equipment, the costs are very high and without sales they cannot afford to produce. Ho and smaller gauges are doing well because of EU, and other contrys that still use trains as a means of travel, keeping the money flowing, and costs down. It really sucks that the companys missed out at the height of thomas the train by not coming out with low costs trains. The cheepest train set I have seen was 127.oo and just whent in circles, kids will lose interest very fast, so parents buy ds, wii etc... longer kids life can travel and great built in babysister buy the little one a new game, keeps them going for days. There needs to be more, something which the dads will play with there kids that dosnt scare the dads to death when they see a 900.oo price tag, and feel they need a degree in programing and it has to do more than just go in a circle, I dont have an anwear but if one can be found to rekindle a generation on trains then there is a chance. Alot of kids now dont even see a train except at a distance are hear one of us talk about how it was in the old days. I cant remember the last time I saw a train advertised on tv except for thomas I havent seen anything about trains at all. My son kinhda likes ho but has no interst in S scale are larger, he lost interest in ho after 5 mins. for the above reason and we use to play thomas the train all the time but i could only afford the cheep metal ones even those made sounds and you could add to it without alot of outlay ie carry around thomas, my grandson right now loves thomas but he is moving away from them again the parents have little interest and have a tv puter games that are cheeper in the outlay and do more. When I was a kid, I had an ho track that ran with the train track, would run the cars into the train or the other way around and if i broke something, could reapir it on the spot are wait a week and go a spend couple dollars at the hobby store and get it fixed. Who in there right mind would do that with a 900.oo train are even a dcc that would still cost at least 400.oo to get going, in 84 i purchased a ho military train set is cost 50 bucks and shot rockets had tanks, army meen etc. it was a blast with all the stuff that came with it. I love the trains, my grandfather retired three times from the railroad but things are so I cannot afford to let my son crash the trains like I did, they are just too expensive, and to make matters worse the quality control on some of them is so lousy they fall apart right out of the box, are break if you look at them wrong. Gilberts All Aboard was a great ideal but they forgot about quality it has to endure little hands, then let the grown ups buy the expnsive things to go along with the kids. Instead of buying models for my kid, I have to buy leggos the same exact model I use to buy for 50 cents is now 20 are more dollars this cannot keep going like this much longer, untill the companys take a step back and see what is happening there gonna lose out, and the shame of it is we will all lose out.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66847	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Re: Fw: Service/Repair Question

Thanks Jim, as I thought you had said once that Lionel did redesigned the trucks. But okay, I don’t plan on buying anymore product from them. Mike From: WJJIM@... Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 9:57 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: Service/Repair Question I do not believe LIONEL has redesigned the trucks in question, they are aware the truck is prone to failure and will continue to sell them until the supply is depleted ( obviously makes good money sense ). They admitted the trucks were not of good design and also that they would be sold until gone. Only concern for the dollar, apparently, not the value of the piece being defective. MOST people, it seems, don't complain, they put the broken piece back in the box and move on, they take their "licks". Ours ( PVMR's ) sits on a shelf in the barn, eighty bucks more or less, down the tubes. We have become used to defective merchandise, we allow it to happen ( at least with LIONEL, maybe not others ) we are conditioned to do so. As far as LIONEL personnel I have talked to, Matt Ashba, Rich Convery, Mike Reagan, J Don Reese and others. NO one can do anything for you, but take your money. THAT is the way their system works. ALL nice people, BTW. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66848	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Re: End of S ??

Link is fine for me. Mike From: clipper841@... Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 10:38 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] End of S ?? bad link below On Dec 2, 2011, at 6:09 PM, mailto:WJJIM%40aol.com wrote: > As of NOW, the PVMR guys have 3 "S" layouts ready to open at 8 AM on > Saturday, two in a local church, the third in the local Township > Bldg. All > three will be open at the same time in the two different buildings > by 1 PM > tomorrow, before the church layout closes and the Twp show goes on > til 4 PM. > In reality the show at the Township building runs thru the end of > January, > being open every weekend from 1 til 4 PM, except Christmas Day. > Doubt we ever concerned ourselves with non-availability, we have just > soldiered on. The largest at 144. square ft has been around since > 1993 when > it was born at 64 Sq ft. in my home ( a re-creation of my sixties > layout ). > The others, one now at 28 sq.ft. is currently running as a THOMAS > layout, the other, built by Glenn Ritter runs primarily A/F. We > also have O & > HO, but, the "S" has the most push buttons, etc. > > (http://www.gartrain.com/PVMRPARADISE2011-2012.html) > > > > Jim Lyle > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66849	From: Jay	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Whoops! Bad Day

Anyone want to model this? http://framework.latimes.com/2011/11/14/santa-fe-locomotive-goes-through-wall/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66850	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Fw: Service/Repair Question

Not to beat a dead truck issue, but I just emailed my good friends at Lionel, Scott. The email probably wont mean much to them, but at least I got it off my chest. Mike From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:31 AM To: Talk To US Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Fw: Service/Repair Question Okay, I was mis-informed about the trucks being re-designed. So basically you where going to sell me another frame with bad trucks that will break again in the near future. this is bad business practice, no matter what you have in stock. However since Lionel is not going to take responsibility for my issue with something I purchased from Lionel and it broke at no fault from me, and it is going to cost me almost 100 to fix, due to labor mostly, I will no longer buy any more product from your company. I will be buying S Helper or American Model train products. As Jim writes, Lionel took my money, but no more. Your customer base is limited and many in the world of S are not happy with the poor quality that is still coming out from Lionel. Sad, as Lionel was a household name in this country over the pass 100 years. Sincerely, Mike From: WJJIM@... Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 9:57 PM I do not believe LIONEL has redesigned the trucks in question, they are aware the truck is prone to failure and will continue to sell them until the supply is depleted ( obviously makes good money sense ). They admitted the trucks were not of good design and also that they would be sold until gone. Only concern for the dollar, apparently, not the value of the piece being defective. MOST people, it seems, don't complain, they put the broken piece back in the box and move on, they take their "licks". Ours ( PVMR's ) sits on a shelf in the barn, eighty bucks more or less, down the tubes. We have become used to defective merchandise, we allow it to happen ( at least with LIONEL, maybe not others ) we are conditioned to do so. As far as LIONEL personnel I have talked to, Matt Ashba, Rich Convery, Mike Reagan, J Don Reese and others. NO one can do anything for you, but take your money. THAT is the way their system works. ALL nice people, BTW. Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66851	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Re: Link

Link works, been sending it out all evening to media. Just checked it. http://www.gartrain.com/PVMRPARADISE2011-2012.html (http://www.gartrain.com/PVMRPARADISE2011-2012.html) Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66852	From: Kyle Russell	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Re: Both DCC and TMCC?

Our modular club is set up to switch between AC, DC, Legacy/TMCC, DCC or LocoMatic on each of our 2 loops. From what we are told by the Lionel gurus, Legacy/TMCC is compatable only with 60 hertz (cycle) AC as the 60 Hertz AC is used to sync the legacy/TMCC signals. With DCC being a high frequency square wave AC it is not compatable with Legacy at all. On the other hand, we are told Legacy/TMCC and LocoMatic are compatable but haven't tried it. Kyle -----Original Message----- > > Does DCC operate on AC or DC power? If it's DC, will the Lionel TMCC > engines operate on DC or do they require AC? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66853	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Re: Whoops, bad day

Ah, the photo recovered at last! This my friends is the prototype of the long lost "Gilbert Train Launcher Accesssory." Developed during a bad day after a huge party, the idea was to trump Lionel's rocket launcher with a ramp that launched whole trains. The AT&SF, after and equally wild night of partying, decided to do the research and development. Unfortunately, resetting the train after launch was less easy than reassembling the TNT car after it is blown up. The railroad bowed out of doing the R&D. Cooler heads had prevailed by then anyway, and the "Train Launcher" joined equally promising ideas such as the "Nuclear Waste Ejector Car" (plenty of nuke material left over from the Science set)and the "Operating Rail Crossing Disaster Accessory" (fake blood packets optional) on the shelf. Oh, the fun we could have had as kids in the fifties! Without such inspired creations we were left to our own devices for entertainment, which was often less pretty.:-) Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66854	From: TWesthelle@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Decal Removal

Good Morning All, I have purchased some replacement decals for my 371 and am about to begin the process to replace the side blue and yellow decals. I dont want to mess the paint up, so I figured Id ask to see if anyone has a sure fire process that works to remove the original decals without other damage. Thank you for your help in advance and I wish all of you a Blessed Holiday Season and a wonderful New Year. Regards, Tom Westhelle Oviedo, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66855	From: Brady	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Re: End of the Line for 'S'?.......

<< I feel like I'm seeing the beginning of the end for S scale, and if so, I sure picked a lousy time to make the switch over from 'N'.>> Mark, The China thing is a temporary situation. It may take some time, but production will resume. There are a lot of cottage industries in S, and even if they don't produce locomotives they do produce car and building kits, detail parts, etc. Plenty of layout projects to do...right now I have more structures than layout :-) As a side note, I was in O for 25 years before I switched back to S. Having less product now causes me to focus and try new things. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66856	From: Brady	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: TMCC and DCC

Anyone thinking about command control with Flyer should take a look at TMCC, if for no other reason than to make an educated choice. Carl Tuveson has a nice page on TMCC with S located at http://www.tuveson.com/TMCC/s_gauge_and_tmcc.htm Before the flame wars start, just consider a few things.. TMCC was originally designed for AC, open frame motors and tubular track layouts TMCC is VERY easy to install Operating cars will work without modification The SC-2 switch and accessory controllers will work with Flyer accessories just as well as Lionel. Carl's web site has info on TMCC control of Flyer turnouts The TMCC CAB-1 wireless throttles are inexpensive and easy to use New production Lionel Flyer with command control is equipped with TMCC and Legacy (TMCC 2.0) TMCC is not open source, but there is more than one outfit producing decoders DCC is not quite as open source as is often implied Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66857	From: jeryjones3@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Many S pictures and Video

Good Morning all, The Cape Cod Times just did a great spread on thre Nauset Model Railroad Club. The club has a 14 x 34 S gauge layout and many of the pictures are of that layout. There are also 2 videos including on exclusively Riding on S Gauge shot from the tender of a Lionel TMCC pacific. Christmas open house Saturdays 1-4 Dec 10-17-31. Hulltop Plaza, Orleans, Ma. Take a look on www.capecodonline.com/media. The club web page also has S guage pictures on nausetmodelrrclub.com. Enjoy the Hobby Roy Roy E. Jones, III - Fire Chief (Retired) Mail: 31 Center Street, Brewster, MA 02631 Office: 250 Underpass Road, Brewster, MA 02631 E-mail: jeryjones3@... Home: (508) 896-5898 Cell: (508) 776-0878 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66859	From: Timboy	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC and DCC

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Brady" <brady@...> wrote: > > Anyone thinking about command control with Flyer should take a look at TMCC, if for no other reason than to make an educated choice. Carl Tuveson has a nice page on TMCC with S located at http://www.tuveson.com/TMCC/s_gauge_and_tmcc.htm > > Before the flame wars start, just consider a few things.. > > TMCC was originally designed for AC, open frame motors and tubular track layouts > > TMCC is VERY easy to install > > Operating cars will work without modification > > The SC-2 switch and accessory controllers will work with Flyer accessories just as well as Lionel. Carl's web site has info on TMCC control of Flyer turnouts > > The TMCC CAB-1 wireless throttles are inexpensive and easy to use > > New production Lionel Flyer with command control is equipped with TMCC and Legacy (TMCC 2.0) > > TMCC is not open source, but there is more than one outfit producing decoders > > DCC is not quite as open source as is often implied > > > Brady Burdge > Brady, I don't think your post warrants any flame war. I believe you made a very strong case for TMCC. Unfortunately, no matter how you slice or dice it - it's a Lionel product or at least a Lionel licensed product. That is a deal-breaker for me personally. If it was truly open-sourced, then it would not have to be licensed by Lionel. Am I wrong here? Can you point me and everyone else to a 3rd party who sells their own independently developed version of TMCC that does not kick back to Lionel in any way? Regards, Timboy, A Confirmed Lionel-Hater

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66860	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC and DCC

Dear Tim, You are correct with this point. Over 10 years ago, we were promised a license multiple times by Lionel CEO Dick Maddox. When we tried to get it in writing 90 days before Dick retired, he told us that the Lionel BOT decided that they would not expand the licenses to S gauge. Don > . If it was truly open-sourced, then it would not have to be licensed by Lionel. Am I wrong here? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66861	From: EdSauers	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: New product ***** Single and Double Track Cut Stone Tunnel Portals

Group, The email serves two purposes, 1st to announce that I will be representing Altoona Model Works (their S-scale Line) at various S-scale Shows starting in January, hope you see a lot of you at future shows. And 2nd, to announance that Altoona Model Works is now offering both single and double track cut stone tunnel portals patterned from drawing in the B&O Maintaince of Way book. These portals are true S-Scale not HO or O that are close. Please contact me for information on these portals off-list at edsauers@... Thanks Ed Sauers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66862	From: vito4cal	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Re: Annoucement: S West 7 - Northern California - Reminder

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "vito4cal" <vito4cal@...> wrote: > > 2012 O Scale West & S West 7 > > Largest S scale show west of the Mississippi! > > There will be S standard and narrow gauge dealers, clinics, videos, door prizes & contest. > > The BASS club will have their modular layout up and running – bring your equipment to run on the layout. Equipment must meet NASG standards. There will also be a Sn3 display. > > Convention info: > > February 9-11, 2012 > Hyatt Regency Santa Clara > 5101 Great America Parkway > Santa Clara, CA 95054 > Reservations: 800-233-1234 > Hotel Switchboard: 408-200-1234 > Hotel Fax: 408-980-3939 > > Admission: $25 for registrations postmarked by December 31, 2011; $30 at the door > > Table Rentals: $35/table if registration is postmarked by December 31, 2011; $40 after December 31, 2011, electrical hook up is free. > > Additional information & registration forms available at: http://www.oscalewest.com > > Additional questions, please contact John Gibson offline. > > Look forward to seeing you at the show. > > S West Convention Committee, > > John Gibson > Lee Johnson > Bill McClung > Howard Sheffield >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66863	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC and DCC

For those considering TMCC, I would say that it is definitely worth considering. I run all my engines - original AF, AM, SHS and Flyonel - using TMCC and it works great. I know of another local operator who does the same. It is also cost effective because the TMCC units can be picked up for a reasonable amount. I am very happy with my arrangement and have no regrets. Perhaps DCC has some advantages for those solely on DC but TMCC works well for those using AC. Tom On 12/3/2011 1:41 PM, Don Thompson wrote: > > Dear Tim, > You are correct with this point. Over 10 years ago, we were promised a > license multiple times by Lionel CEO Dick Maddox. When we tried to get > it in writing 90 days before Dick retired, he told us that the Lionel > BOT decided that they would not expand the licenses to S gauge. > Don > > > . If it was truly open-sourced, then it would not have to be > licensed by Lionel. Am I wrong here? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66864	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC and DCC

<< I don't think your post warrants any flame war. I believe you made a very strong case for TMCC. Unfortunately, no matter how you slice or dice it - it's a Lionel product or at least a Lionel licensed product. That is a deal-breaker for me personally. If it was truly open-sourced, then it would not have to be licensed by Lionel. Am I wrong here? Can you point me and everyone else to a 3rd party who sells their own independently developed version of TMCC that does not kick back to Lionel in any way? >> Timboy, Thanks, I tried :-) My understanding is that the kick-back to Lionel is the receiver portion of the decoder. TMCC boards are larger than their DCC counterparts, and if I remember correctly the Lionel receiver is a separate board. I mentioned that there was more than one outfit producing decoders because their products are different. One outfit produced a board that could operate the cheapo electronic horns as well as Railsounds. Another (Electric RR Co) offers boards that have cruise control, 32 and 100 speed steps, as well as small boards for Lionel speeders and the AMT Beeps. They also offer accessory boards. These boards are probably more expensive than their DCC counterpart, but the TMCC Command Set is less than the DCC wireless solution. Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66865	From: Timboy	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: TMCC

Mike, You have remained oddly silent on the topic of "To TMCC Or Not To TMCC". From some of your posts, it would seem that you are politely respectful of Lionel products in general and have offered some sage advice to others in dealing with Lionel. I don't have an issue with you doing that. It's what makes this Forum superb; different people with different perspectives on things. I've learned a lot and hopefully contribute a lot. You have build a wonderful layout. Under any set of circumstances and by any standard in S Gauge, it is a terrific layout. I don't think anyone will flame me for making that statement because you have earned it. Here is my question: Why didn't you go with TMCC instead of DCC? Keep up the great work, Mike! Regards, Timboy, The One Who Will Admit That He Doesn't Know Everything There Is To Know About Flyer Trains AND Is Still Willing To Learn At His Advanced Age.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66866	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC and DCC

<< Perhaps DCC has some advantages for those solely on DC but TMCC works well for those using AC. >> There's also the ability to run your conventional locos with a Lionel CAB-1 and a PowerMaster. Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66867	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: PVMR-we are doing our part

AS of 4 PM today, PVMR now has FIVE operating layouts, 2 of which are "S", in ONE location. We have the original "S" 8 X 18 footer and we moved in the 5 X 8 footer "S" this afternoon, AFTER running it and our smaller 4 X 7 "S" layout at the Local Presbyterian Church from 0730 til 1330 hrs. We talk more about the fun and memories than the gauges, but, most people know. We also actively recruit. Got several email addresses today and others we will follow up on. WHEN you look at our pics, remember we have 6 guys building and maintaining these layouts, 2 or 3 more helping to operate them. THAT'S it. We raise our own money to support our efforts. We also don't give up easily. About evenly split between S & O, we build the layouts and run the trains. This year we also built a 4 X 7 THOMAS HO layout for the kids and BACHMANN jumped in to help support the effort. Tomorrow we will open at 1 PM and run til 4 PM, stand down and maintain until we re-open around 6:30 PM for the Christmas Tree lighting program. Should be done by 9 PM, maybe. Save our link, it is updated regularly, Glenn takes some great pics. _http://www.gartrain.com/PVMRPARADISE2011-2012.html_ (http://www.gartrain.com/PVMRPARADISE2011-2012.html) Also-- _www.paradisetownship.org_ (http://www.paradisetownship.org) Archival--- _http://www.gartrain.com/PEQUEA_VALLEY_TRAINS.html_ (http://www.gartrain.com/PEQUEA_VALLEY_TRAINS.html) Jim Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66868	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/3/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/4/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday December 4, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 4 minutes. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66869	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/4/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday December 4, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66870	From: ron_kolb2000	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: Re: B&O Railroad Museum Television Network - December 2011 w/ Host:

The Museum holds a Festival of Trains each holiday season. For the Festival of Trains, the Museum hosts a differnt gauge layout each weekend during the late November/December period. The Baltimore Area American Flyer Club has operated our modular S gauge layout during the first weekend in December since the Museum reopened eight years ago. We promote S gauge and NASG at the Museum and have a great time operating the trains for the visitors to the Museum. Visit the Museum and our layout if you in Baltimore tomorrow. Ron Kolb Club Coordinator --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: > > This month's episode is about B&O's traveling model railroad exhibits.. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VDHwosIJOQ&feature=feedu > > > > Brady Burdge >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66871	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: Lionel trucks.

I thought I had read somewhere that Lionel was planning on using the really nice K-Line trucks that they inherited after bankrupting them. Guess that was just wishful thinking. Those are REALLY GOOD trucks. Steve SnS Trains [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66872	From: Gale Hall	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: magazines

Good Evening list I have 22 issues of CTT 2006 to Jan 2011 all good shape for postage..if interested reply off list and I will provide the exact months. Postage probably about $10..Will do all or part. Thanks gale hall frisco91@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66873	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC and DCC

Where is the myth that DCC is run on DC coming from? Is it because the motors in the locos are DC? The power supply to the command station is AC. The track power from the command station is not DC, it is a modified AC wave of constant (usually 15v) power. The DCC decoders in the locos and accessories use this current and change it into signals that operate the motors, lights, whistles, bells, etc. As for ease of installation, most DCC motor/sound units are just one board and a speaker. Much easier than the multiple boards needed for TMCC. I love them both. My layout utilizes every single operating system I know of, all on one track. Somewhere in the archives on this list is a diagram of it. Just a couple of dpdt switches is all that is needed to switch to any one in a couple of seconds. I don't think Lionel is going to make TMCC readily available for non-Lionel stuff as DCC is. Carl Tuveson knows all the answers to TMCC. He is the guy to be getting your info from. He is also a Lionel repair facility for same. Steve SnS Trains .In a message dated 12/3/2011 3:47:01 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, detmer@... writes: For those considering TMCC, I would say that it is definitely worth considering. I run all my engines - original AF, AM, SHS and Flyonel - using TMCC and it works great. I know of another local operator who does the same. It is also cost effective because the TMCC units can be picked up for a reasonable amount. I am very happy with my arrangement and have no regrets. Perhaps DCC has some advantages for those solely on DC but TMCC works well for those using AC. Tom On 12/3/2011 1:41 PM, Don Thompson wrote: > > Dear Tim, > You are correct with this point. Over 10 years ago, we were promised a > license multiple times by Lionel CEO Dick Maddox. When we tried to get > it in writing 90 days before Dick retired, he told us that the Lionel > BOT decided that they would not expand the licenses to S gauge. > Don > > > . If it was truly open-sourced, then it would not have to be > licensed by Lionel. Am I wrong here? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66874	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: San Diego S-Gaugers at the Great Train Expo

Many thanks to whoever it was that suggested swapping the cow on the track for a reindeer!!!  I did it and it was a hit.      https://sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home/2011-great-train-expo And I put a few more Christmas embellishments on the layout.  It you're in San Diego Sunday, December 4, swing by the Del Mar Fairgrounds and say hello! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66875	From: David	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: SCULLEN DISC HUBS (Advertisement)

Hello All, Looks like one of our newest items will be arriving around the second week of January 2012. As we promised a while back we would see what we could do to get some of the hubs produced and we have been very fortunate in doing so. These hubs are made of aircraft grade aluminum and made for pre-1966 AF steamers, HUDSONS mostly. The price will be $9.50 ea. with a 10% discount when purchased in eight (8) or more increments. You may pre-order yours starting 12-07-2011. OUR FIRST SHIPMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO JUST 100 HUBS AS WE DO NOT REALLY KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU WILL WANT THEM. Thank you all for your continuing support and "GREAT IDEAS". For further information about these hubs PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc 502-292-1872

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66876	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: TMCC vs DCC

Before anyone asks, I've stayed out of this question for several of reasons, but I simply can't stay silent any longer. The first reason I've said nothing up to now is mainly because I don't have a layout big enough to make use of either system. In point of fact even way back in my big layout HO days, many of us considered such systems unnessary and overpriced "fluff." Second, I run DC power with can motors because of the notoriously unreliable old Flyer reverse units, which I long since learned to do without in scale model railroading. Third, after the initial expensive investment, there are other costs of adding such systems to all your new equipment and the question of reliablity and future availablity of replecement in the fast changing world of electronics. It is generally accepted that electronics controlled toy trains will not survive the decades as their simpler ancestors did because there will be no usable circuit boards. Already circuit boards for many Lionel, MTH, and Williams locomotives in O gauge are no longer avaiable. Fourth, DCC is commonly available to all from a number of different manufacturers, and all to the same standard. That TMCC is available from only one manufacturer keeps the buyer at their mercy, and therefore is in direct conflict with the thinking that competition makes for a better product. Fifth, having had to deal with Lionel while working in a hobby shop for twenty plus years, I feel they are one of the least deserving companies we ever dealt with. Our observation was that since the end of the Richard Kuhn era at Lionel, quality has continually spiraled downward while price has spiraled upward. Such things are not possible in a truly free market. But these are just MY opinions and reasons. It's YOUR railroad, your money being spent, and your choice. This is, after all, a free country. Go ahead and flame me for my thinking if you will, I have a charge account for fire retardant suits at Simpson Safety Equipment and pay extra to get three X. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66877	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: Re: End of the Line for 'S'?.......

Yes, SHS and American Models, et al, will get back into full production. And anyway, there is more new and used stuff in the marketplace than there are buyers. It just takes a bit more searching to find it than it does to find HO or O. Lots of ads in the S Gaugian, including one that is not online-Bill Parr¹s hobby supply. No email, no web site, just the old-fashioned voice phone, but he has a ton of S stuff, scale and hirail. Roy From: R G <keyhole_corona@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 12:18:16 -0800 (PST) To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] End of the Line for 'S'?....... Do not give up hope yet.  Not all American Models production is in China and he has alot available right now and S-Helper should have production resuming in 2012.  Additionally there is a ton of Flyer available at resonalble cost.  Lionel is committed to S-Scale and has actually been producing it longer than the AC Gilbert company did .  S-Scale production at Lionel resume in 1979 and this marks the 22nd year for Lionel.  Most of us in S are enjoying new products and with new technologies such as resin kits there is more in S right now than at any time in the past. ________________________________ From: Mark Mugnai <mugnai@... <mailto:mugnai%40casco.net> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 1:05 PM Subject: [S-Trains] End of the Line for 'S'?.......   I keep reading notices about companies discontinuing their S scale product line, or that others can't get product because of problems in China, etc. I feel like I'm seeing the beginning of the end for S scale, and if so, I sure picked a lousy time to make the switch over from 'N'. Some encouraging words, please................... Mark in Oregon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66878	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: WeighStation Track Scale

Here's the track scale used on the Model Railroader Virginian project layout http://www.bouldercreekengineering.com/products.php There's an analog version available that would fit in better with the time period Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66879	From: Eric	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: Caution: engines and cars for sale

S people: Due to some Buying and selling I still have these locos and cars for sale. Lionel-Flyer Union Pacific Mikado. This is basically new in the box. includes box and shipping sleve and all inner wrappings as new! I don't think it has ever been run. $490.00 shipping to USA included. American Models E-8 set of Locos, Union Pacific, AC powered with *sound*, Highrail (are AM listed at $499 new) Both are powered! Sell for $360 shipping included USA. These have a small hole (about 1/8 inch diameter) in the back of each Loco where someone had added a wire to connect them electrically. The wiring is all back to original and they run fine. Have original box which is excellent escept for something (lube oil) dripped on top in a couple of places. (these have been run but are like new) 2 AM budd passenger cars Union Pacific, *RPO *and* Observation only..*Scale wheels, small solid couplers (can include large knuckles) Have like new individual boxes. Both for $120 shipping included to USA. these have been run but are like new. AM slpine cars Set of 4 Conrail with an extra 5th end car, (4 trailers) High rail, knuckles. Set of 3 SP cars with trailers High rail , knuckles. All 8 cars and 7 trailers shipped to USA for $110. Make me an offer for any or all Let me know off list if you are interested, thanks Paypal, Postal MO's, Checks work. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66880	From: Eric	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: Parts wanted and a question

I am looking for some ACE floors for for in AF boxcars and refers. The cast metal ones are preferred but the plastic ones will work. (1-10 needed) Also , did ACE make a conversion kit for Tank cars like they did for the hoppers? I would like to get some of those too, if ther are any. 1-10 needed) Thank you Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66881	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: Modified M2 Trucks and Auto-Hauler

Hi All, The doctor seems to think I have at least 6 months to go because that's how much treatment he has scheduled. Total cost right at $100,000. So I guess he'll keep me kicking long enough to collect his fee - lol. Since I no longer feel like the end is imminent, I've started working on the layout again. I've been working on a couple of the new M2 trucks and auto-hauler today. They are from a new series honoring 100 years of Chevy. As most of you know my layout is locked in time at April 17, 1964 - the introduction of the Ford Mustang. So of course I had to remove all that Chevy crap. The billboard on the auto-hauler has a paper sticker on it, but the entire billboard is easy to remove. I removed all of the Chevy markings with acetone and Q-tips. Some seamed to be decals and some seamed to be painted. All came off with several applications of acetone and slight rubbing with the Q-tip. You can see the originals and the modifieds here: http://tiny.cc/g9hmo Have fun! BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66882	From: Gale Hall	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: CTT magazines are gone

The CTT magazines are now heading to a new home...thanks list gale hall [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66883	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: Re: Parts wanted and a question

eric: re the ace tank car conversion kits, check with greg at iron rail models, this and the gondola conversion kits for future projects for them, (at least 6 months ago), haven't heard anything else yet, hoquat hobbies has some of the resin conversion kits that ace did originally, but don't recommend them, as the resin has dried out On Dec 4, 2011, at 5:20 PM, Eric wrote: > I am looking for some ACE floors for for in AF boxcars and refers. The > cast metal ones are preferred but the plastic ones will work. (1-10 > needed) > > Also , did ACE make a conversion kit for Tank cars like they did > for the > hoppers? I would like to get some of those too, if ther are any. 1-10 > needed) > > Thank you > > Eric Reis > Kenmore, Wa. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66884	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks.

My understanding that they WERE going to use them, when they had an interest in K-Line. The issue here is the faulty design of the power pick up trucks used on the operating cars. LIONEL is fully aware the trucks are faulty and fully committed to selling them until they are gone, buyer be damned. LIONEL has now determined NOT to continue producing the A/F style track, rather they seem convinced that Flyer buyers will buy whatever they choose to offer them. Hence the newly designed "roadbed" track. Time will tell, I guess. It seems to me to be a total disconnect from the market, I could be wrong. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/4/2011 10:26:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, boss31@... writes: I thought I had read somewhere that Lionel was planning on using the really nice K-Line trucks that they inherited after bankrupting them. Guess that was just wishful thinking. Those are REALLY GOOD trucks. Steve SnS Trains [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66885	From: Gale Hall	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: Re: Modified M2 Trucks and Auto-Hauler

That really looks sharp...that trailer would make a good flat car load for that era too. Probably about 1963 I remember a Katy train at Muskogee Okla almost a mile long nothing but flats and full auto carriers... gale hall ----- Original Message ----- From: bull_gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 7:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Modified M2 Trucks and Auto-Hauler Hi All, The doctor seems to think I have at least 6 months to go because that's how much treatment he has scheduled. Total cost right at $100,000. So I guess he'll keep me kicking long enough to collect his fee - lol. Since I no longer feel like the end is imminent, I've started working on the layout again. I've been working on a couple of the new M2 trucks and auto-hauler today. They are from a new series honoring 100 years of Chevy. As most of you know my layout is locked in time at April 17, 1964 - the introduction of the Ford Mustang. So of course I had to remove all that Chevy crap. The billboard on the auto-hauler has a paper sticker on it, but the entire billboard is easy to remove. I removed all of the Chevy markings with acetone and Q-tips. Some seamed to be decals and some seamed to be painted. All came off with several applications of acetone and slight rubbing with the Q-tip. You can see the originals and the modifieds here: http://tiny.cc/g9hmo Have fun! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66886	From: Timboy	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC vs DCC

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Before anyone asks, I've stayed out of this question for several of reasons, but I simply can't stay silent any longer. > The first reason I've said nothing up to now is mainly because I don't have a layout big enough to make use of either system. In point of fact even way back in my big layout HO days, many of us considered such systems unnessary and overpriced "fluff." > Second, I run DC power with can motors because of the notoriously unreliable old Flyer reverse units, which I long since learned to do without in scale model railroading. > Third, after the initial expensive investment, there are other costs of adding such systems to all your new equipment and the question of reliablity and future availablity of replecement in the fast changing world of electronics. It is generally accepted that electronics controlled toy trains will not survive the decades as their simpler ancestors did because there will be no usable circuit boards. Already circuit boards for many Lionel, MTH, and Williams locomotives in O gauge are no longer avaiable. > Fourth, DCC is commonly available to all from a number of different manufacturers, and all to the same standard. That TMCC is available from only one manufacturer keeps the buyer at their mercy, and therefore is in direct conflict with the thinking that competition makes for a better product. > Fifth, having had to deal with Lionel while working in a hobby shop for twenty plus years, I feel they are one of the least deserving companies we ever dealt with. Our observation was that since the end of the Richard Kuhn era at Lionel, quality has continually spiraled downward while price has spiraled upward. Such things are not possible in a truly free market. > But these are just MY opinions and reasons. It's YOUR railroad, your money being spent, and your choice. This is, after all, a free country. > Go ahead and flame me for my thinking if you will, I have a charge account for fire retardant suits at Simpson Safety Equipment and pay extra to get three X. > Stumpy in Ahia > Stumpy... I too plead the 5th. No, not the 5th amendment and not your 5th point - although I couldn't have expressed it better. I plead the 5th of Jack. IOW's I don't know Jack about whether analog will outlive DCC. But I really don't know what to do with all those 8 track cassettes laying around the house. We need more Stumpies on this forum. Oh snap. Maybe one is enough. lol Regards, Timboy, The Analog Vintage American Flyer Guy Who Used To Be The Technorat Train Guy But Is Now Content To Be The Bob-The-Builder Train Guy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66887	From: Timboy	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: Re: Modified M2 Trucks and Auto-Hauler

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > The doctor seems to think I have at least 6 months to go because that's how much treatment he has scheduled. Total cost right at $100,000. So I guess he'll keep me kicking long enough to collect his fee - lol. > > Since I no longer feel like the end is imminent, I've started working on the layout again. I've been working on a couple of the new M2 trucks and auto-hauler today. They are from a new series honoring 100 years of Chevy. As most of you know my layout is locked in time at April 17, 1964 - the introduction of the Ford Mustang. So of course I had to remove all that Chevy crap. The billboard on the auto-hauler has a paper sticker on it, but the entire billboard is easy to remove. I removed all of the Chevy markings with acetone and Q-tips. Some seamed to be decals and some seamed to be painted. All came off with several applications of acetone and slight rubbing with the Q-tip. > > You can see the originals and the modifieds here: > > http://tiny.cc/g9hmo > > Have fun! > > BG1 > BG1, Great to have you "back" and building again, even if you aren't buying any green bananas right now! Regards, Timboy, The Train Guy With Less Brains Than Money AND I Don't Have Much Money

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66888	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: Modified M2 trucks and auto hauler

Really cool Mr. Gator! Good show. I like the gas station with the Studebaker wreckers a lot too. Keep up the good work and the good fight. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66889	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 12/4/2011
Subject: Re: Modified M2 Trucks and Auto-Hauler

After my heart attack the doctors said I might only have 72 hours ti live. That was over 6 years ago. They make mistakes too. Bob Sent from my iPod On Dec 4, 2011, at 8:49 PM, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > Hi All, > > The doctor seems to think I have at least 6 months to go because that's how much treatment he has scheduled. Total cost right at $100,000. So I guess he'll keep me kicking long enough to collect his fee - lol. > > Since I no longer feel like the end is imminent, I've started working on the layout again. I've been working on a couple of the new M2 trucks and auto-hauler today. They are from a new series honoring 100 years of Chevy. As most of you know my layout is locked in time at April 17, 1964 - the introduction of the Ford Mustang. So of course I had to remove all that Chevy crap. The billboard on the auto-hauler has a paper sticker on it, but the entire billboard is easy to remove. I removed all of the Chevy markings with acetone and Q-tips. Some seamed to be decals and some seamed to be painted. All came off with several applications of acetone and slight rubbing with the Q-tip. > > You can see the originals and the modifieds here: > > http://tiny.cc/g9hmo > > Have fun! > > BG1 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66890	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: City Of Dingburg

Ahh, a good friend of mine in Vancouver, BC, Canada, has helped me with a song for my town of Dingburg, Mike Marmer Riding on the City of Dingburg Dingburg Central's two-rail morning train One old coach filled with restless pinheads No conductor; he's sittin' at the Softee Freeze On along the southbound odyssey The train pulls out of New Jersey Past piles of broken Flyonel trucks Passing trains that have no name And hobo camps full of muu-muued men And Flyer collectors needing parts ^%$# out of luck. Good morning, Dingburg, how are ya? Doncha know me, I'm your native son. I'm the train they call the City of Dingburg With luck the wheels'll stay on until I'm done. -- with apologies to Steve Goodman and Bill Griffith, but not to the Lionel Corporation [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66891	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Kannapolis Festival of Lights Show

The Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers now has a 26 by 36 foot layout with passing yard operating every evening from 6 to 9 pm at the Knnapolis (NC) Festival of Lights, 300 West C Street. The layout is now snow covered and features 71 buttons to operate accessories. Many of these accessories are seasonal. The exhibit will be there through Sunday, December 18th.   The show is free to the public, including a complete light show, animated dancing bears, $3 train rides on a beautiful C.P. Huntingdon park train, and, of course, a visit with Santa.   Joe Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.#########################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.######################.American Flyer Parts Dealer ###################Authorized Lionel Service Center################### ............Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,300 part numbers............ American Models.###.DesPlaines Hobbies.###.S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@....#####XX######.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66892	From: JAN ANDERSON	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: San Diego S-Gaugers at the Great Train Expo

Hello Robert: This is a LONG Shot, but just wondering if you do any family history research? My husband Bill's family have "Graves" in their family on his mother's side. His great grandmother was Marian (Mary Ann Graves) born July 13, 1867 in Norfolk U.K. and her dad's name was George Graves born 1838 in Norfolk U.K. Would this be any relation to you? Bill's wife, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Graves To: s-trains list Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 11:45 PM Subject: [S-Trains] San Diego S-Gaugers at the Great Train Expo Many thanks to whoever it was that suggested swapping the cow on the track for a reindeer!!! I did it and it was a hit. https://sites.google.com/site/sdsgaugers/Home/2011-great-train-expo And I put a few more Christmas embellishments on the layout. It you're in San Diego Sunday, December 4, swing by the Del Mar Fairgrounds and say hello! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.920 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4058 - Release Date: 12/05/11 02:34:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66893	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: TRAINS IN PARADISE

TRAINS IN PARADISE TRAINS IN PARADISE--18 Trains, Trolleys & Work Cars from the 1930's to today run on FIVE operating S, O or HO layouts, 3 of which are interactive. Kids favorite train is represented. Kids of any age can push buttons and start trains, sound whistles and horns, light lights, move cows, load railroad cars in a miniature world of model railroading. Layouts are sponsored by Pequea Valley Model Railroaders & Paradise TRI-CENtennial. Open from 1 to 4 PM EVERY Saturday and Sunday thru Jan 29 except Christmas Day. $ 2.00 Adult Admission, 12 & under FREE, FREE Parking. Paradise Township Building, RT 30 & Township Drive, Paradise, PA. CONTACT--Jim Lyle---717-278-6007 _WJJIM@..._ (mailto:WJJIM@...) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66894	From: Joseph H	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks.

Lionel lost all right to the K-Line tooling when it was obtained by Kader Industries. This included the K-Line S-gauge track and rights to the K-Line S gauge trucks. Production using this tooling is now being spread to the highest bidders, most of which are only producing O or O27 items. So Lionel immediately announced S gauge Fast Track with a June 2011 delivery date, knowing full well that they could not meet this timeline but knowing that it made no sense to produce S gauge trains without having a viable track line. This would have been a fantastic oppotrunity for SHS to make a killing on their track line had they been able to bring their production back to the states, However, Fast Track now will ultimately kill off the SHS track line when they begin producing adapter pieces, switches, uncouplers, track activation pieces, etc. Joe Joe's Train Repair --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > My understanding that they WERE going to use them, when they had an > interest in K-Line. The issue here is the faulty design of the power pick up > trucks used on the operating cars. LIONEL is fully aware the trucks are > faulty and fully committed to selling them until they are gone, buyer be damned. > > LIONEL has now determined NOT to continue producing the A/F style track, > rather they seem convinced that Flyer buyers will buy whatever they choose > to offer them. Hence the newly designed "roadbed" track. Time will tell, I > guess. It seems to me to be a total disconnect from the market, I could > be wrong. > > Jim Lyle > > In a message dated 12/4/2011 10:26:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > boss31@... writes: > > I thought I had read somewhere that Lionel was planning on using the > really > nice K-Line trucks that they inherited after bankrupting them. Guess that > was just wishful thinking. Those are REALLY GOOD trucks. > > Steve > SnS Trains > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66895	From: Carey Probst	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: Modified M2 Trucks and Auto-Hauler

Good to hear things are looking up. Let's just pray that the doctor is as wrong as my grandmother's was when he told her she had less than 5 years due to breast cancer. 15 years later she had a heart attack at 92. I wish you the best. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 12/4/2011 8:49 PM, bull_gator_1 wrote: > > Hi All, > > The doctor seems to think I have at least 6 months to go because > that's how much treatment he has scheduled. Total cost right at > $100,000. So I guess he'll keep me kicking long enough to collect his > fee - lol. > > Since I no longer feel like the end is imminent, I've started working > on the layout again. I've been working on a couple of the new M2 > trucks and auto-hauler today. They are from a new series honoring 100 > years of Chevy. As most of you know my layout is locked in time at > April 17, 1964 - the introduction of the Ford Mustang. So of course I > had to remove all that Chevy crap. The billboard on the auto-hauler > has a paper sticker on it, but the entire billboard is easy to remove. > I removed all of the Chevy markings with acetone and Q-tips. Some > seamed to be decals and some seamed to be painted. All came off with > several applications of acetone and slight rubbing with the Q-tip. > > You can see the originals and the modifieds here: > > http://tiny.cc/g9hmo > > Have fun! > > BG1 > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66896	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC vs DCC

Hey Stumpy, No need to flame! Your points are valid. I would simply point out that I've been able to use TMCC for little investment (less than $125) and not change anything else on my layout. I then get the advantage of using the newer Railsounds, etc. when I want and also running trains with a wireless controller. Two nice advantages. By the way I like reading your comments and ideas on this board so keep it up! Tom On 12/4/2011 9:11 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > > Before anyone asks, I've stayed out of this question for several of > reasons, but I simply can't stay silent any longer. > The first reason I've said nothing up to now is mainly because I don't > have a layout big enough to make use of either system. In point of > fact even way back in my big layout HO days, many of us considered > such systems unnessary and overpriced "fluff." > Second, I run DC power with can motors because of the notoriously > unreliable old Flyer reverse units, which I long since learned to do > without in scale model railroading. > Third, after the initial expensive investment, there are other costs > of adding such systems to all your new equipment and the question of > reliablity and future availablity of replecement in the fast changing > world of electronics. It is generally accepted that electronics > controlled toy trains will not survive the decades as their simpler > ancestors did because there will be no usable circuit boards. Already > circuit boards for many Lionel, MTH, and Williams locomotives in O > gauge are no longer avaiable. > Fourth, DCC is commonly available to all from a number of different > manufacturers, and all to the same standard. That TMCC is available > from only one manufacturer keeps the buyer at their mercy, and > therefore is in direct conflict with the thinking that competition > makes for a better product. > Fifth, having had to deal with Lionel while working in a hobby shop > for twenty plus years, I feel they are one of the least deserving > companies we ever dealt with. Our observation was that since the end > of the Richard Kuhn era at Lionel, quality has continually spiraled > downward while price has spiraled upward. Such things are not possible > in a truly free market. > But these are just MY opinions and reasons. It's YOUR railroad, your > money being spent, and your choice. This is, after all, a free country. > Go ahead and flame me for my thinking if you will, I have a charge > account for fire retardant suits at Simpson Safety Equipment and pay > extra to get three X. > Stumpy in Ahia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66897	From: Dave	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: SCULLIN DISC WHEEL Photo

We have been asked to furnish a photo of the SCULLIN DISC WHEELS as some of the group have never seen them or actually know about them. To that end please use the link below to view photos of them at our photo album here at the group. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/1321017889/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc For further info. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP. Thank you for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc 502-292-1872

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66898	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC vs DCC

Hey Stumpy, I have never owned a hobby shop. I just have my trains. As a pure consumer, I am forced to agree with every word you wrote. Bill (with AC, DC and Locomatic available using DPDT switches - I bet just like Dave) Bill Porter South Florida On 12/4/2011 10:11 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > Before anyone asks, I've stayed out of this question for several of reasons, but I simply can't stay silent any longer. > The first reason I've said nothing up to now is mainly because I don't have a layout big enough to make use of either system. In point of fact even way back in my big layout HO days, many of us considered such systems unnessary and overpriced "fluff." > Second, I run DC power with can motors because of the notoriously unreliable old Flyer reverse units, which I long since learned to do without in scale model railroading. > Third, after the initial expensive investment, there are other costs of adding such systems to all your new equipment and the question of reliablity and future availablity of replecement in the fast changing world of electronics. It is generally accepted that electronics controlled toy trains will not survive the decades as their simpler ancestors did because there will be no usable circuit boards. Already circuit boards for many Lionel, MTH, and Williams locomotives in O gauge are no longer avaiable. > Fourth, DCC is commonly available to all from a number of different manufacturers, and all to the same standard. That TMCC is available from only one manufacturer keeps the buyer at their mercy, and therefore is in direct conflict with the thinking that competition makes for a better product. > Fifth, having had to deal with Lionel while working in a hobby shop for twenty plus years, I feel they are one of the least deserving companies we ever dealt with. Our observation was that since the end of the Richard Kuhn era at Lionel, quality has continually spiraled downward while price has spiraled upward. Such things are not possible in a truly free market. > But these are just MY opinions and reasons. It's YOUR railroad, your money being spent, and your choice. This is, after all, a free country. > Go ahead and flame me for my thinking if you will, I have a charge account for fire retardant suits at Simpson Safety Equipment and pay extra to get three X. > Stumpy in Ahia > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66899	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: End of the Line for 'S'?.......

Hi Mark, Lionel continues to make S-Scale trains with the American Flyer brand name. American Models has plenty of trains on their web site. The Showcase Line (SHS) folks are diligently pursuing the answers to their production questions and they are very persistent and capable people. Very. They also have lots of trains on their website. The 'previously owned' stock of S-Scale trains includes far more trains than you and I could ever utilize. Mattel continues to make millions of Hot Wheels in 1:64 size and so do other folks. Walt Disney used full-scale lower stories on his theme park buildings with smaller scale upper stories. I do the same thing by grafting new lowers on to any of the multitude of HO buildings and kits. MTH offers several accessories (operating passenger stations, bags full of S-Sale passengers and more) that are perfect for operating layouts and work fine on a Scale layout as well. There are plenty of backdrops available that are S-Scale or will work with S-Scale. Scale track, high-rail track, used track and scratch-building supplies are robust. Woodland Scenics (and others) make plenty of materials that work perfectly for S-Scale. There are trains to run on AC, DC, DCC and TMCC right out of the box. Power supplies, transformers and control systems abound. Some of the smaller manufacturers are scrambling to find production facilities at a reasonable cost and with acceptable delivery times. Those pipelines are long and take a while to locate and fill. There are several entrepreneurs (or wannabes) on this list who advocate production in the USA, too. Finally, your eyes are not going to get better during the rest of your life at seeing those little trains. I modeled in N-Scale for over 30 years and enjoyed it all. Now, 3/16ths of an inch to the foot is my choice for easy of viewing, reliable operation and room to model in. Bill Porter South Florida On 12/2/2011 1:05 PM, Mark Mugnai wrote: > I keep reading notices about companies discontinuing their S scale product line, or that others can't get product because of problems in China, etc. > > I feel like I'm seeing the beginning of the end for S scale, and if so, I sure picked a lousy time to make the switch over from 'N'. > > Some encouraging words, please................... > > Mark in Oregon > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66900	From: Timboy	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: A Couple Of Work-Arounds For AC/DC

Flyer Nation: As Stumpy does, I also like running my vintage trains on DC track voltage. It gets rid of the pesky mechanical reverse unit and I can dynamically control the direction the train travels. However, I like running the action cars off of AC voltage. I have re-invented an old wheel and found out two things in the process that I will share. Keep in mind that I use vintage track and switches. 1) When a track trip is on a mainline: I use a dedicated transfomer that I have put in phase with the track transformers. I connect their base posts. Now I can run an AC lead from the dedicated transformer to the car trip. The action car energizes when I push the car trip button and the current returns back via the common base post rail to the dedicated transformer. AC and DC voltage can co-exist on the same carrier. 2) When a track trip is on a through siding: When the action car is set out on a through siding and the switches are thrown to the mainline, the common base post connection is broken. I have found that I can use yet another dedicated transformer that I put in phase with all other transformers as a common practice. I do NOT, however connect the base post lead to the other transformers. Instead, I solder a wire to the base post rail on the through siding and take it straight back to the base post of that dedicated transformer. When I activate the track trip with the button, the car energizes and the current flows through the base post rail to the base post on the dedicated transformer via that wire. Also, if one of my locos is on that through siding when I activate the car trip, it stays motionless. It also stay motionless when power is applied to the mainline. This is because the base post of the mainline transformer and the dedicated transformer are not connected. When I move the switch frogs to their divergent route, the base post rail connection is re-establish and I can run the loco out onto the mainline. Obviously here again, AC and DC voltage can make nice with each other on a common carrier. To confirm that I haven't set myself up for an electrical disaster, I did a search though our archives and found a post by Rhett from long ago. In that post, Rhett asserts that AC and DC can co-exist on a common carrier. It also makes sense from the standpoint that that is how the onboard vintage whistles work; with a DC pulse over a common carrier. I have this very same topic written up on my blog at: http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ - under Tips, Tricks & Techniques. Regards, Timboy, The Wheel Re-Inventer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66901	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks.

Perhaps, but if SHS can promote compatibility, they might be OK. It looks like the rail and roadbed height match right up. Yes, it looks like they won't hook to each other, but a little creativity with a soldering iron or carving out a space for a normal rail joiner should solve the problem. Jeff Madden On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Joseph H <joestrainrepair@...> wrote: > ** > > > Lionel lost all right to the K-Line tooling when it was obtained by Kader > Industries. This included the K-Line S-gauge track and rights to the K-Line > S gauge trucks. Production using this tooling is now being spread to the > highest bidders, most of which are only producing O or O27 items. > > So Lionel immediately announced S gauge Fast Track with a June 2011 > delivery date, knowing full well that they could not meet this timeline but > knowing that it made no sense to produce S gauge trains without having a > viable track line. > > This would have been a fantastic oppotrunity for SHS to make a killing on > their track line had they been able to bring their production back to the > states, > > However, Fast Track now will ultimately kill off the SHS track line when > they begin producing adapter pieces, switches, uncouplers, track activation > pieces, etc. > > Joe > Joe's Train Repair > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > > > My understanding that they WERE going to use them, when they had an > > interest in K-Line. The issue here is the faulty design of the power > pick up > > trucks used on the operating cars. LIONEL is fully aware the trucks are > > faulty and fully committed to selling them until they are gone, buyer be > damned. > > > > LIONEL has now determined NOT to continue producing the A/F style track, > > rather they seem convinced that Flyer buyers will buy whatever they > choose > > to offer them. Hence the newly designed "roadbed" track. Time will tell, > I > > guess. It seems to me to be a total disconnect from the market, I could > > be wrong. > > > > Jim Lyle > > > > In a message dated 12/4/2011 10:26:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > boss31@... writes: > > > > I thought I had read somewhere that Lionel was planning on using the > > really > > nice K-Line trucks that they inherited after bankrupting them. Guess > that > > was just wishful thinking. Those are REALLY GOOD trucks. > > > > Steve > > SnS Trains > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66902	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: City Of Dingburg

I['m sure the City of New Orleans might take exception to be 'linked' with Dingburg. Oh well, now I won't be able to hear Willie Nelson singing "the City of New Orleans" without thinking of Dingburg?? Too bad:-) ! Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 12/5/2011 17:27, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > > Ahh, a good friend of mine in Vancouver, BC, Canada, has helped me > with a song for my town of Dingburg, > > Mike Marmer > > Riding on the City of Dingburg > Dingburg Central's two-rail morning train > One old coach filled with restless pinheads > No conductor; he's sittin' at the Softee Freeze > On along the southbound odyssey > The train pulls out of New Jersey > Past piles of broken Flyonel trucks > Passing trains that have no name > And hobo camps full of muu-muued men > And Flyer collectors needing parts ^%$# out of luck. > Good morning, Dingburg, how are ya? > Doncha know me, I'm your native son. > I'm the train they call the City of Dingburg > With luck the wheels'll stay on until I'm done. > -- with apologies to Steve Goodman and Bill Griffith, but not to the > Lionel Corporation > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66903	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: City Of Dingburg

ps I do know that Steve Goodman wrote it. Rance On 12/5/2011 17:27, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > > Ahh, a good friend of mine in Vancouver, BC, Canada, has helped me > with a song for my town of Dingburg, > > Mike Marmer > > Riding on the City of Dingburg > Dingburg Central's two-rail morning train > One old coach filled with restless pinheads > No conductor; he's sittin' at the Softee Freeze > On along the southbound odyssey > The train pulls out of New Jersey > Past piles of broken Flyonel trucks > Passing trains that have no name > And hobo camps full of muu-muued men > And Flyer collectors needing parts ^%$# out of luck. > Good morning, Dingburg, how are ya? > Doncha know me, I'm your native son. > I'm the train they call the City of Dingburg > With luck the wheels'll stay on until I'm done. > -- with apologies to Steve Goodman and Bill Griffith, but not to the > Lionel Corporation > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66904	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks.

From: Alan Lambert           Lone Star Flyer Club           Arlington, Texas   Joseph,   I don't see S-Helper trackbeing killed. That track is way more viable than the "new" fast track. Don may jump in and tell you the same thing. I am just waiting for him to get back in full production with a new builder. GI.VE HIM TIME. Just my 3 cents worth.                                                  Thanks,                                                              alan From: Joseph H <joestrainrepair@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 5, 2011 9:13 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks.   Lionel lost all right to the K-Line tooling when it was obtained by Kader Industries. This included the K-Line S-gauge track and rights to the K-Line S gauge trucks. Production using this tooling is now being spread to the highest bidders, most of which are only producing O or O27 items. So Lionel immediately announced S gauge Fast Track with a June 2011 delivery date, knowing full well that they could not meet this timeline but knowing that it made no sense to produce S gauge trains without having a viable track line. This would have been a fantastic oppotrunity for SHS to make a killing on their track line had they been able to bring their production back to the states, However, Fast Track now will ultimately kill off the SHS track line when they begin producing adapter pieces, switches, uncouplers, track activation pieces, etc. Joe Joe's Train Repair --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@... wrote: > > My understanding that they WERE going to use them, when they had an > interest in K-Line. The issue here is the faulty design of the power pick up > trucks used on the operating cars. LIONEL is fully aware the trucks are > faulty and fully committed to selling them until they are gone, buyer be damned. > > LIONEL has now determined NOT to continue producing the A/F style track, > rather they seem convinced that Flyer buyers will buy whatever they choose > to offer them. Hence the newly designed "roadbed" track. Time will tell, I > guess. It seems to me to be a total disconnect from the market, I could > be wrong. > > Jim Lyle > > In a message dated 12/4/2011 10:26:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > boss31@... writes: > > I thought I had read somewhere that Lionel was planning on using the > really > nice K-Line trucks that they inherited after bankrupting them. Guess that > was just wishful thinking. Those are REALLY GOOD trucks. > > Steve > SnS Trains > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66905	From: piccu56	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Vintage AF For Sale

Having to sell off some stuff to make room and a few bucks for the holidays. Have the following for sale. 623 Reefer Car. Extra Clean with two miniscule paint chips on one corner. Clean frame, brakewheel, working couplers, original box with end flap taped back on. No breaks, or cracks. Excellent. Asking $30 plus shipping. 920 Gondola Car. Super nice collector grade car. Crisp lettering, all steps intact no chips or nicks. Full Excellent. Working couplers. Nice correct OB. Asking $30 plus shipping. 922 Box Car. Another nice clean car with 90% decals intact, and working couplers. No chips or breaks. Paint excellent. Frame was bead blasted and re-blackened due to spotting. Door guides are rust free. Asking $35 plus shipping. 947 Reefer Car. Beautiful bright car. Extra clean with intact decals. Working couplers, brakewheel, and rust free door guides. Miniscule paint ships on very edge of catwalk ends. No chips or breaks. Excellent. With an OB that has a damaged end so the lettering is gone. Asking $45 plus shipping. Nice clean 568 Whistle. Original Insert. Cleaned and tested. Excellent with only one minor mark on the back. Comes with odd white Whistle button. No box. Asking $35 plus shipping. SCARCE 640 painted hopper car. Grey painted with black lettering. All steps intact. Very hard car to find. Original trucks and couplers. No chips or breaks. Collector grade. Asking $50 plus shipping. SCARCE 930 Caboose in Tuscan with American Flyer only on the side. (Not American Flyer Lines) Excellent. All steps intact and both catwalks perfect. Crisp lettering. Tough car. No box. Asking $65 plus shipping. 24055 Civil War Box Car. Extra nice Excellent condition. Original stickers both crisp and intact. Camouflage over spray not damaged. Original brakewheel. Molded door version. Not an easy car in this condition. Asking $55 plus shipping. #22 Scenery Gravel. Decent hard to find item as the bags were usually torn open then discarded. This one had been opened and then tied closed with a rubber band for who knows how long. Little or none of the contents were used so the bag was resealed. Asking $18 plus shipping. Will be adding more in near future. To see photos of all of these items go here: http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/453102703/m/1572923027 AND HERE: http://ogaugerr.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/453102703/m/5952966027 Thanks David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66906	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: City Of Dingburg

Yes, Steve Goodman wrote City of New Orleans, as many have no idea who he is. Arlo Guthrie had a hit with it however. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lgnfk9PXNw Steve Goodman with Jethro Burns, of Homer and Jethro fame. Steve died too young in 1982 from Leukemia. Steve also wrote several songs used by Jimmy Buffett. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLOMS1li66k One of Steve’s song that Buffett had a hit with. Steve was a die hard Cubs fan. Mike From: Rance Velapoldi Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 12:56 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] City Of Dingburg ps I do know that Steve Goodman wrote it. Rance On 12/5/2011 17:27, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > > Ahh, a good friend of mine in Vancouver, BC, Canada, has helped me > with a song for my town of Dingburg, > > Mike Marmer > > Riding on the City of Dingburg > Dingburg Central's two-rail morning train > One old coach filled with restless pinheads > No conductor; he's sittin' at the Softee Freeze > On along the southbound odyssey > The train pulls out of New Jersey > Past piles of broken Flyonel trucks > Passing trains that have no name > And hobo camps full of muu-muued men > And Flyer collectors needing parts ^%$# out of luck. > Good morning, Dingburg, how are ya? > Doncha know me, I'm your native son. > I'm the train they call the City of Dingburg > With luck the wheels'll stay on until I'm done. > -- with apologies to Steve Goodman and Bill Griffith, but not to the > Lionel Corporation > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66907	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: TMCC vs DCC

Stumpy, We seem to have the same view on command control - it's a solution to a problem that many of us currently do not have. When I had a pretty large O gauge layout it was worth the time to address the quirks, but on a 6' x 8' pike it isn't. Lionel quality is a problem, and the rotating beacon kit I bought a few years back tells me that it isn't just the high-tech stuff. BTW Lionel doesn't catalog the beacon as a kit, it just came that way.. The open vs. proprietary discussion is fascinating. I wouldn't argue against DCC (I like the CVP wireless throttles) but I wouldn't dwell on it's open nature while using a Windows PC or a Macintosh. Brady Burdge Linux User [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66908	From: Timboy	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: City Of Dingburg

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Yes, Steve Goodman wrote City of New Orleans, as many have no idea who he is. > Arlo Guthrie had a hit with it however. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lgnfk9PXNw Steve Goodman with Jethro Burns, of Homer and Jethro fame. > Steve died too young in 1982 from Leukemia. > Steve also wrote several songs used by Jimmy Buffett. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLOMS1li66k One of Steve’s song that Buffett had a hit with. > Steve was a die hard Cubs fan. > Mike > From: Rance Velapoldi > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 12:56 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] City Of Dingburg > > > ps I do know that Steve Goodman wrote it. > Rance > > On 12/5/2011 17:27, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > > > > Ahh, a good friend of mine in Vancouver, BC, Canada, has helped me > > with a song for my town of Dingburg, > > > > Mike Marmer > > > > Riding on the City of Dingburg > > Dingburg Central's two-rail morning train > > One old coach filled with restless pinheads > > No conductor; he's sittin' at the Softee Freeze > > On along the southbound odyssey > > The train pulls out of New Jersey > > Past piles of broken Flyonel trucks > > Passing trains that have no name > > And hobo camps full of muu-muued men > > And Flyer collectors needing parts ^%$# out of luck. > > Good morning, Dingburg, how are ya? > > Doncha know me, I'm your native son. > > I'm the train they call the City of Dingburg > > With luck the wheels'll stay on until I'm done. > > -- with apologies to Steve Goodman and Bill Griffith, but not to the > > Lionel Corporation > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Mike, You never answered my question. Why did you go with DCC instead of TMCC? Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66909	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Death of S Helper Service?

Wow, first someone wrote that there is a noose about the neck of SHS and now it was written that Lionel fast track will be the death of SHS track. RIP SHS, as the ballpark on my layout will still be SHS Field forever. Maybe I can remove the corn field and put in some Strawberries. let me take you down, cause I’m going to SHS Field, where nothing is real since the team is in last place, frozen in time, SHS Field forever. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66910	From: Timboy	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: A PERFECT Place To Unload M&M's!

Flyer Nation: I've been trying to come up with the PERFECT place to unload M&M's, mined fresh - right on my layout. AHA! I think I found it! Here is a link to my blog, with all the pics. Follow the M&M link under, "What's New": http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy, The Candy Man

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66911	From: aztecfan	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Pike Master train lay out for the Chattanooga convention.

Do you think any one would want to see a large display? My Mother died Oct. 30 and I just found all my panels at her house. I bought a lot of switch panels. I have a cross over some where. I though about mounting them on wood with a layer of something to dull the sound. My idea was to run channels of wood so that they could be placed on those long tables. Might make a L so that they could not be pulled over. Could do the L layout with the cross over. Then make it longer. So tables can be run in parallel. Does any one know the with of these common tables? I might run out of connectors. I might wire them and could make plastic connectors. Any ideas? Need someone from the Convention to contact me. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66912	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: End of the Line for 'S'?.......

Besides Lionel/AF, Showcase and American Models making production run models, don't forget S Scale America. Ron is is working on several new projects and has an extensive line of existing models which he cycles through new roadnames and paint jobs. Raisin River is also more active in importing brass than most importers in other scales. Charlie Vlk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66913	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: A PERFECT Place To Unload M&M's!

Tim, I am not sure if you know this, but the M&M Mars company is very secretive on their operations. They do not share any business aspects with anyone. Seriously. So, since you have exposed the secret M&M mine, they will have to kill you now. Just kidding, but it is true, M&M Mars is one of the most secret companies in the world, like a Howard Hughes. Mike From: Timboy Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 7:07 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] A PERFECT Place To Unload M&M's! Flyer Nation: I've been trying to come up with the PERFECT place to unload M&M's, mined fresh - right on my layout. AHA! I think I found it! Here is a link to my blog, with all the pics. Follow the M&M link under, "What's New": http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy, The Candy Man [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66914	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: City Of Dingburg

Hi Tim, Please forgive me, as I don’t remember you asking me why I went with DCC over TMCC. If I had read that you asked me, I would of answered you. Probably because of my lack of knowledge in the technology part of trains. I still have no clue what TMCC is. But I am fine with going in the DCC direction. Mike From: Timboy Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 8:23 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: City Of Dingburg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66915	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks.

I disagree......I don't think that's a fair statement, Joe ! <<However, Fast Track now will ultimately kill off the SHS track line when they begin producing adapter pieces, switches, uncouplers, track activation pieces, etc>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66916	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: A PERFECT Place To Unload M&M's!

Timboy, Gadzooks, man! I think you've just stumbled upon the secret hiding place of The-Big-Hand-In-The-Sky. Now that we know its weakness for M&Ms, we can control it to do our bidding. BWAA-HA-HA-HA-HA. Jerry F. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Timboy Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 4:08 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] A PERFECT Place To Unload M&M's! Flyer Nation: I've been trying to come up with the PERFECT place to unload M&M's, mined fresh - right on my layout. AHA! I think I found it! Here is a link to my blog, with all the pics. Follow the M&M link under, "What's New": http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ Regards, Timboy, The Candy Man [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66917	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: A PERFECT place to unload M&Ms

How about this: Start with a Plasticville "Supermarket" kit. Use the front and side walls and roof. Make a slopeing tray to go inside and use plastic front windows of blister pack clear plastic. The "dedicated M&M hopper train" rolls up, dumps into the tray through the back wall, and fills up the front show windows with M&Ms! Since M&M come right out of the mine ready for packaging, why not? Instant new S gauge accessory! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66918	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks.

I agree with Joe.  He has a track record of being right. Len ________________________________ From: Doug Peck <doug@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 5, 2011 7:44 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks.   I disagree......I don't think that's a fair statement, Joe ! <<However, Fast Track now will ultimately kill off the SHS track line when they begin producing adapter pieces, switches, uncouplers, track activation pieces, etc>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66919	From: Thorinn Marty	Date: 12/5/2011
Subject: Milw 957 Peek a boo Gon

Good evening: I was poking around in the basement and found a Milwaukee peek-a-boo gon from S Scale America. Lovely car. I looked in my catalog and it wasn't there! Does anyone remember when these were made? Mine has five logs. As I remember, the regular (non convention) cars do not have logs. So which convention? Does anyone know the original price? Thank you for your help in solving this minor mystery. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66920	From: Timboy	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: City Of Dingburg

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > Hi Tim, > > Please forgive me, as I don’t remember you asking me why I went with DCC over TMCC. > > If I had read that you asked me, I would of answered you. > > Probably because of my lack of knowledge in the technology part of trains. > > I still have no clue what TMCC is. > > But I am fine with going in the DCC direction. > > Mike > > From: Timboy > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 8:23 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: City Of Dingburg > > Mike, No problem. Sometimes we get overloaded and sometimes there isn't anything for days. I guess it's either feast or famine around here, which is why I keep a good supply of M&M's on hand! Lol Anyway, thanks for the honest answer! Regards, Timboy > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66921	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: City Of Dingburg

Tim, Thanks, that is the story. Be on the look out for the M&M Mars Hench men coming your way. they shoot first then ask question. Hugo might give you some protection. Mike From: Timboy Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 7:29 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: City Of Dingburg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66922	From: Harold henion Jr.	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: (no subject)

HI here are some photos of the layout Butch [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66923	From: Carey Probst	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: A PERFECT Place To Unload M&M's!

I consulted with them for a while and they were fastidious. At one point the FDA came out with new cleanliness rules for food manufacturing and the guys at Mars said they refused to implement the new rules because they had had stricter rules since 1938 and they refused to lower their standards to meet the FDA. Plus they were a great bunch to work with in Hacketstown. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 12/5/2011 8:46 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > > Tim, > > I am not sure if you know this, but the M&M Mars company is very > secretive on their operations. > > They do not share any business aspects with anyone. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66924	From: Timboy	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: A PERFECT Place To Unload M&M's!

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carey Probst <s-scale@...> wrote: > > I consulted with them for a while and they were fastidious. At one > point the FDA came out with new cleanliness rules for food manufacturing > and the guys at Mars said they refused to implement the new rules > because they had had stricter rules since 1938 and they refused to lower > their standards to meet the FDA. > > Plus they were a great bunch to work with in Hacketstown. > > Carey > > Carey Probst > > Member, M.I.T. Educational Council > > S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF > > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, > > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. > > > On 12/5/2011 8:46 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > > > > Tim, > > > > I am not sure if you know this, but the M&M Mars company is very > > secretive on their operations. > > > > They do not share any business aspects with anyone. > > > > > Flyer Nation Guys: I'm chuckling over all your M&M comments. Next train show I attend, I'll have to check out some Plasticville for the idea that Stumpy came up with. Meanwhile, I've adopted a disguise to wear - in case Mars is looking for me as Mike was kind enough to warn me about. Lol I'm now disguised as an old guy wearing a hat. Oops. Near the fringe of Timboy Town, Nosmo King is building up a car lot. New cars are arriving every day and construction is ongoing. Nosmo needs some lights to draw attention. Would those little Christmas mini-lights work off a Gilbert transformer? Would I need to use a voltage-reduction device from RS? What lights should I, could I use to make a string or two like you would expect to see at a car lot? Here is a link to a page on my blog that shows Nosmo's progress so far. The paint is still wet! http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2011/12/nosmo-king-car-lot.html Regards, Timboy, The Old Guy With A Hat On

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66925	From: Brady	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..

All, My renewal for CTT came, and after 25 years I can't think of a really good reason to continue my subscription. Am I missing something?? Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66926	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: train show

Went to a train show in Marlborough, Mass., on Saturday last week. In addition to HO American and foreign modules, there was an S-gauge scale modular layout. Nicely done. I lost my camera battery before I could shoot a pic, but I’ll find out from a new friend what the group is. Ron the above is from a friend in Maine. Anyone know where the S layout was from, club? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66927	From: Timboy	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Brady" <brady@...> wrote: > > All, > > My renewal for CTT came, and after 25 years I can't think of a really good reason to continue my subscription. > > Am I missing something?? > > > Brady Burdge > Brady, Hah-Hah-Hah-Hah-Hah! Not in MY opinion! I wouldn't read that ragazine if they sent it to me for free. It's merely a shill for Lionel, IMHO and I told them that on the CTT forum before they banned me for life. Lol Apparently, I was right. Seriously, if you are interested in vintage American Flyer trains only, then I don't know of ANY publication. All of them that I know of mostly feature the new S Gauge stuff - because that is what drives their revenue. That's fine for them, but I'm personally not interested in new S Gauge products right now. For that matter, I don't know of any ORGANIZATION you could join where the sole interest is in vintage American Flyer trains. This forum is arguably the best, but it's not exclusively vintage American Flyer trains either. There are some clubs out there that call themselves "The ... American Flyer Club", but they too are not exclusively vintage American Flyer Trains. Let's face it, Dude; we plus a sprinkling of us are dinosaurs and I wouldn't want it any other way. Lol Regards, Timboy, The Ndamukong Suh of the CTT Forum

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66928	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Toy Train Memories

Time for my annual pitch about this book put out by CTT. I think it's a GREAT coffee table book during the holidays. I have bought quite a few off Amazon to give as gifts. In fact, I think I owe a list member a book! He won it in a drawing I held last year or so. And of course I have to mention that they gave me a FULL page in the book (page 33). http://www.amazon.com/TOY-TRAIN-MEMORIES-John-Grams/dp/0871161982/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1323200650&sr=8-1 Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66929	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..

Although "S" is slim in CTT .... I still enjoy the magazine. I like seeing the various layouts, even thought most are in *ugh* "O". Rick On Dec 6, 2011, at 10:12 AM, Brady wrote: > All, > > My renewal for CTT came, and after 25 years I can't think of a really good reason to continue my subscription. > > Am I missing something?? > > > Brady Burdge > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66930	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Car Lot Streamers for Nosmo King

Tim, You could use some thin, shiny ribbon (different colors twisted together maybe) and make streamers above your car lot. Tie them to a center post and make a kind of May Pole display. I've seen used car lots all over using streamers. That might look better than lights because the lights will probably be way out of scale. David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Carey Probst <s-scale@> wrote: > > > > I consulted with them for a while and they were fastidious. At one > > point the FDA came out with new cleanliness rules for food manufacturing > > and the guys at Mars said they refused to implement the new rules > > because they had had stricter rules since 1938 and they refused to lower > > their standards to meet the FDA. > > > > Plus they were a great bunch to work with in Hacketstown. > > > > Carey > > > > Carey Probst > > > > Member, M.I.T. Educational Council > > > > S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF > > > > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, > > > > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. > > > > > > On 12/5/2011 8:46 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > > > > > > Tim, > > > > > > I am not sure if you know this, but the M&M Mars company is very > > > secretive on their operations. > > > > > > They do not share any business aspects with anyone. > > > > > > > > > Flyer Nation Guys: > > I'm chuckling over all your M&M comments. Next train show I attend, I'll have to check out some Plasticville for the idea that Stumpy came up with. Meanwhile, I've adopted a disguise to wear - in case Mars is looking for me as Mike was kind enough to warn me about. Lol I'm now disguised as an old guy wearing a hat. Oops. > > Near the fringe of Timboy Town, Nosmo King is building up a car lot. New cars are arriving every day and construction is ongoing. Nosmo needs some lights to draw attention. Would those little Christmas mini-lights work off a Gilbert transformer? Would I need to use a voltage-reduction device from RS? What lights should I, could I use to make a string or two like you would expect to see at a car lot? Here is a link to a page on my blog that shows Nosmo's progress so far. The paint is still wet! > > http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2011/12/nosmo-king-car-lot.html > > Regards, > Timboy, The Old Guy With A Hat On >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66931	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Christmas Tree

Due to my knee replacement, we wont be able to put up the 29 year Dart Drug Special fake Christmas tree. Dart Drug was a drugstore in the Washington area, that is no more. The tree is in two huge boxes high above on a shelf, I just am not ready to handle it yet. Soooo, Linda took my lamp table from the train room that was my parents, circa 1950. On the table she put her small Drug Fair Christmas tree on it, from her days in college. Again, Drug Fair was another Drug store that is no more, as remember, don’t say drug store, say Drug Fair. Well anyway, what does this have to do with trains?????? Well, the table have this area for magazines, as I had some AF catalogs on it. To make it look more Christmassy, she place the recent S Gaugian magazine on it, as the cover has a church someone made, as the land around the church has cars, people, a train and snow. then she added a Diecast Direct catalog, as it has a winter scene on it too. a barn with snow and a horse team with a sleigh with Christmas tree on it. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66932	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: City of Dingburg Verse 2

My friend in Vancouver, has come up with the 2nd verse of City Of Dingburg. A lot of this relates to Zippy the Pinhead comic, so it might not make much sense to many. Taco Sauce is Zippy’s favorite beverage. John and I have battles over the Toronto Blue Jays and the Washington Nationals on who will do bettter, despite not being in the same league. And Germantown, MD does have a RR station on the Amtrak and MARC line. And last another pun about my action car with no wheels. Mike Marmer Hearing the game with Mike in the club car Jays and Nats and no-one keeping score Pass the paper bag that holds the taco sauce Feel the trucks crumbling 'neath the floor. And the sons of A. C. Gilbert And the sons of Flyer men Ride their fathers' magic carpet plated in tin As the train pulls into Germantown On the platform there's a 'dotted clown And the Flyonel wheels finally cave in. Good night, America, how are ya? Doncha know me, I'm your native son I'm the train they called the City of Dingburg These Chinese wheels have made their last run. -- this time, I owe the late Steve Goodman and Bill Griffith really big [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66933	From: R G	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..

There is little in it on S-Scale or American Flyer, It really is Lionel O scale oriented.  I subscribe but I look forward more to the S- Gaugian, or the NASG Dispatch.  Heck even the TCA publication has provided more interesting articles on Flyer buildings and accessories.  There are however a few individuals that post about pre war Flyer on their forum that I find interesting since I do have some prewar Flyer narrow and wide gauge trains and accessories.   So you in my opinion would not be missing much. Additionally CTT is available at your local hobby shop or book store like Barnes and Noble if there is a Flyer article.  I have not been a continous subscriber and have in the past let the subscription expire for a few years.   This is not the same magazine that it was 25 years ago when it started.  The older issues from 10+ years ago are much better in my opinion. ________________________________ From: Brady <brady@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2011 1:12 PM Subject: [S-Trains] To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..   All, My renewal for CTT came, and after 25 years I can't think of a really good reason to continue my subscription. Am I missing something?? Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66934	From: Michael Rector	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: City Of Dingburg

Some thing must be wrong. All I can find are W&W's...must be a knock off or a quality control problem. Mike ________________________________ From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2011 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: City Of Dingburg   Tim, Thanks, that is the story. Be on the look out for the M&M Mars Hench men coming your way. they shoot first then ask question. Hugo might give you some protection. Mike From: Timboy Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 7:29 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: City Of Dingburg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66935	From: Timboy	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: A PERFECT place to unload M&Ms

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > How about this: Start with a Plasticville "Supermarket" kit. Use the front and side walls and roof. Make a slopeing tray to go inside and use plastic front windows of blister pack clear plastic. > The "dedicated M&M hopper train" rolls up, dumps into the tray through the back wall, and fills up the front show windows with M&Ms! > Since M&M come right out of the mine ready for packaging, why not? Instant new S gauge accessory! > Stumpy in Ahia > Stumpy, You Asked For It! :) :) :) http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2011/12/m-unloading-station.html Okay, it needs some work. Can you spell P.R.O.T.O.T.Y.P.E. boys & girls? I see big, big sales for this through Portlines Hobby Supplies with all the royalties coming to MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Don't laugh, Bull cuz YOU'RE NEXT! :) :) :) :) Regards, Timboy, The Laughing Stock Of Timboy Town

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66936	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..

I pulled the plug on all of my subscriptions. Switched over to the National train clubs (NMRA, TCA, TTOS). They have pubs that are pretty good and I get added benefits such as train shows (early admin to the TCA ones, anyway) and York. I am happy with my choice. Good luck with yours. Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 12/6/2011 1:12 PM, Brady wrote: > All, > > My renewal for CTT came, and after 25 years I can't think of a really good reason to continue my subscription. > > Am I missing something?? > > > Brady Burdge > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66937	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: City Of Dingburg

Mike Seconds. Inverted M’s. Mike From: Michael Rector Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 3:58 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: City Of Dingburg Some thing must be wrong. All I can find are W&W's...must be a knock off or a quality control problem. Mike ________________________________ From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2011 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: City Of Dingburg Tim, Thanks, that is the story. Be on the look out for the M&M Mars Hench men coming your way. they shoot first then ask question. Hugo might give you some protection. Mike From: Timboy Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 7:29 AM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: City Of Dingburg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66938	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..

Even thought most layouts are in "O" .... I think one can still incorporate ideas from these layouts for their "S" layouts. I've mentioned before, that I gut all my CTT's of their AF articles and have plastic sleeved them all and put them in a binder. I espescially like to see ANY Christmas layouts � in any gauge (well, larger then HO anyway!). Believe me �. I always gripe about the lack of "S" in the mag �.. but I still would rather get it then not. Just my two cents. Rick in Cali. On Dec 6, 2011, at 11:42 AM, Rick Evans wrote: > Although "S" is slim in CTT .... I still enjoy the magazine. I like seeing the various layouts, > even thought most are in *ugh* "O". > > Rick > > On Dec 6, 2011, at 10:12 AM, Brady wrote: > > > All, > > > > My renewal for CTT came, and after 25 years I can't think of a really good reason to continue my subscription. > > > > Am I missing something?? > > > > > > Brady Burdge > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66939	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..

Oh yes, and NASG. Bill Porter South Florida On 12/6/2011 4:49 PM, Bill Porter wrote: > I pulled the plug on all of my subscriptions. Switched over to the > National train clubs (NMRA, TCA, TTOS). They have pubs that are pretty > good and I get added benefits such as train shows (early admin to the > TCA ones, anyway) and York. I am happy with my choice. Good luck with yours. > > Bill > > Bill Porter > South Florida > > > On 12/6/2011 1:12 PM, Brady wrote: >> All, >> >> My renewal for CTT came, and after 25 years I can't think of a really good reason to continue my subscription. >> >> Am I missing something?? >> >> >> Brady Burdge >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66940	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..

Where the heck did THIS thing come from in my last post??? to the right: ∑ Rick On Dec 6, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Rick Evans wrote: > Even thought most layouts are in "O" .... I think one can still incorporate ideas > from these layouts for their "S" layouts. I've mentioned before, that I gut all my CTT's of their AF > articles and have plastic sleeved them all and put them in a binder. > I espescially like to see ANY Christmas layouts ∑ in any gauge (well, larger then HO anyway!). > Believe me ∑. I always gripe about the lack of "S" in the mag ∑.. but I still would rather get it then not. > Just my two cents. > > Rick in Cali. > > > On Dec 6, 2011, at 11:42 AM, Rick Evans wrote: > >> Although "S" is slim in CTT .... I still enjoy the magazine. I like seeing the various layouts, >> even thought most are in *ugh* "O". >> >> Rick >> >> On Dec 6, 2011, at 10:12 AM, Brady wrote: >> >>> All, >>> >>> My renewal for CTT came, and after 25 years I can't think of a really good reason to continue my subscription. >>> >>> Am I missing something?? >>> >>> >>> Brady Burdge >>> >>> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66941	From: Joseph H	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel trucks.

Actually, SHS would be sitting pretty right now had not Laser done them bad. They make a superior track system, even to the Lionel Fast Track. However, people will not invest heavily in a system unless they see a future in it--and right now that future is very iffy for SHS. IF Don could have continued manufacturing of his track system during this lull in track production I fully believe that Fast Track would not have had a chance to succeed. Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote: > > From: Alan Lambert >           Lone Star Flyer Club >           Arlington, Texas >   > Joseph, >   > I don't see S-Helper trackbeing killed. That track is way more viable than the "new" fast track. Don may jump in and tell you the same thing. I am just waiting for him to get back in full production with a new builder. GI.VE HIM TIME. > Just my 3 cents worth. >                                                  Thanks, >                                                              alan > > From: Joseph H <joestrainrepair@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, December 5, 2011 9:13 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Lionel trucks. > > >   > Lionel lost all right to the K-Line tooling when it was obtained by Kader Industries. This included the K-Line S-gauge track and rights to the K-Line S gauge trucks. Production using this tooling is now being spread to the highest bidders, most of which are only producing O or O27 items. > > So Lionel immediately announced S gauge Fast Track with a June 2011 delivery date, knowing full well that they could not meet this timeline but knowing that it made no sense to produce S gauge trains without having a viable track line. > > This would have been a fantastic oppotrunity for SHS to make a killing on their track line had they been able to bring their production back to the states, > > However, Fast Track now will ultimately kill off the SHS track line when they begin producing adapter pieces, switches, uncouplers, track activation pieces, etc. > > Joe > Joe's Train Repair > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, WJJIM@ wrote: > > > > My understanding that they WERE going to use them, when they had an > > interest in K-Line. The issue here is the faulty design of the power pick up > > trucks used on the operating cars. LIONEL is fully aware the trucks are > > faulty and fully committed to selling them until they are gone, buyer be damned. > > > > LIONEL has now determined NOT to continue producing the A/F style track, > > rather they seem convinced that Flyer buyers will buy whatever they choose > > to offer them. Hence the newly designed "roadbed" track. Time will tell, I > > guess. It seems to me to be a total disconnect from the market, I could > > be wrong. > > > > Jim Lyle > > > > In a message dated 12/4/2011 10:26:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > boss31@ writes: > > > > I thought I had read somewhere that Lionel was planning on using the > > really > > nice K-Line trucks that they inherited after bankrupting them. Guess that > > was just wishful thinking. Those are REALLY GOOD trucks. > > > > Steve > > SnS Trains > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66942	From: amerflyerwanted@optonline.net	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: Milw 957 Peek a boo Gon

Thorin, These cars were made for the Puget Sound 2004 NASG regional convention & cost $45.00 ea. plus shipping. Order form states "Prototype cars were common on the Milwaukee Road's branchlines in Washington State". Pete Henningsen Milford, Connecticut PS; I have one of these with the pipe load if you're interested. It's never been run but has some damage due to poor package design. The trucks are apart & need to be reassembled plus some of the small detail parts are broken off but still in the box. ----- Original Message ----- From: Thorinn Marty Date: Monday, December 5, 2011 11:51 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Milw 957 Peek a boo Gon To: "S-Scale@yahoogroups.com" , "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" > Good evening: > I was poking around in the basement and found a Milwaukee > peek-a-boo gon > from S Scale America. Lovely car. I looked in my catalog and > it wasn't there! > > Does anyone remember when these were made? Mine has five logs. > As I remember, > the regular (non convention) cars do not have logs. So which > convention? Does > anyone know the original price? > > Thank you for your help in solving this minor mystery. > Thorin > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66943	From: Bob Moyer	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..

Rick and Brady and everyone else. I do and will continue to subscribe to CTT. Even though there are vastly more O articles than S, I read it all and get ideas I can incorporate into S. The only problem is what to do with all the back issues. Instead of tearing out and keeping the S stuff Rick, I scan what I want into the computer and pass the magazine to someone else. I dropped a bunch off to someone on our list when I was in Maine earlier this year. He gave me a bunch of Toy Trains magazines from the early fifties. It was a suprising and a very good magazine swap. On Dec 6, 2011 5:30 PM, "Rick Evans" <bassflyer@...> wrote: > Even thought most layouts are in "O" .... I think one can still > incorporate ideas > from these layouts for their "S" layouts. I've mentioned before, that I > gut all my CTT's of their AF > articles and have plastic sleeved them all and put them in a binder. > I espescially like to see ANY Christmas layouts � in any gauge (well, > larger then HO anyway!). > Believe me �. I always gripe about the lack of "S" in the mag �.. but I > still would rather get it then not. > Just my two cents. > > Rick in Cali. > > > On Dec 6, 2011, at 11:42 AM, Rick Evans wrote: > > > Although "S" is slim in CTT .... I still enjoy the magazine. I like > seeing the various layouts, > > even thought most are in *ugh* "O". > > > > Rick > > > > On Dec 6, 2011, at 10:12 AM, Brady wrote: > > > > > All, > > > > > > My renewal for CTT came, and after 25 years I can't think of a really > good reason to continue my subscription. > > > > > > Am I missing something?? > > > > > > > > > Brady Burdge > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66944	From: ironrailmodels	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: UTLX Ethylene Car - Modern car Advertising

Greetings all, This posting, from Iron Rail Models is to inform you of availability for this UTLX modern tank car. There is an album posted in the photo section labeled as UTLX Ethylene Car. This car has not been placed on our website as we trying to fathom response for this car. But it is being shown here in order for us to gauge your response. This car is seen on the rails today. There is a photo of the actual car was taken earlier this year. The rest of the photos shows the level of detail, size and markings for this car on our prototype. New molds are being used to create this car. It is a Plate C tank car, never before done in S !! If you want one of these cars, please respond off list through the Iron Rail Models website on the 'contact us' link. www.ironrailmodels.com The price for this car is $89.00 Thank you Greg Berndtson Iron Rail Models LLC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66945	From: Jerry	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..

Brady, et al., I was on the fence when my renewal notice came up, but decided to renew after all. Heck, the last issue only had one postwar Flyer page, and that was on the 647 NorPac reefer. A very nice car, and the article was rather complimentary. There was also a two page article on a pre-war layout from 70 years ago. Kind of cool! But three pages out of 89 isn't a good ratio. And this issue had more than some others. However, there were a couple of other articles that although featured that "three rail stuff", they could be adapted to Our Favorite Trains: the one on actual speeds model trains are traveling; one on building toy train structures; making asphalt grade crossings; and building a basic train table. So, even though there's a dearth of Flyer, you can usually find something usable. For instance, in the December 2002 issue, there was a featured layout in an article titled "Old Enough to Play" that I really liked. The layout was built by Dr. Jack Fox, and even though in "O", it had a nice track plan featuring three routes with constant running. Since I'm a train watcher rather than a prototypical operator, it appealed to me greatly. I straightened out the plan a bit and scaled back his 14' x 19' layout to 12' x 18'. OK, maybe not scaling it down TOO much... ;>) Anyway, instead of having 3% grades rising 15", mine has 2% grades rising 9". While Dr. Fox had his professionally built, I do all the work myself. Of course, this is in between the MANY other things I have to do around the house, and on my days off from my part time job (at The Henry Ford's Greenfield Village*). If I get enough time, I'll post photos to the Photos section. But due to recent events around the house, I haven't done much in 6-7 months. However, now that we're entering the Deep Freeze time of year, I can actually spend an hour or so "working" on the layout. So, the bottom line for me was that although HEAVILY into "O", CTT still has a few things that make it (more or less) worthwhile. Jerry Up To My Ankles in Dust and Debris in Wayne, Michigan *For any of you who are visiting the Detroit area, please contact me for FREE admission to either the Henry Ford Museum (with many historic locomotives) or (in season) Greenfield Village, which features a live steam train. I LOVE helping fellow train guys save money! ! ! More money for trains! --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Brady" <brady@...> wrote: > > All, > > My renewal for CTT came, and after 25 years I can't think of a really good reason to continue my subscription. > > Am I missing something?? > > > Brady Burdge > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66946	From: Ray Puls	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: Milw rd peek a boo gon

Thorin, I also have one of these peek-a-boo gondolas with five logs. These I believe were sold at the S Fest hosted by the Badgerland S Gaugers  around 1998. I am not sure of the exact year, but pretty certain it was at least before 2000. My car is numbered 124 and with these you had the choice of a log load or a load of pipes. Ray  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66947	From: Bill Clark	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: train show

Hi Mike, It was the Bristol S Gauge Railroaders layout. You should have stopped to say hello! Our website is: http://bristol-s-gauge.com/ Here are pictures from the Hub show a couple of years ago: http://bristol-s-gauge.com/Photos/Shows/Hub2009Dec/Hub2009Dec.html Bill On 12/6/2011 3:08 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > > Went to a train show in Marlborough, Mass., on Saturday last week. In > addition to HO American and foreign modules, there was an S-gauge > scale modular layout. Nicely done. I lost my camera battery before I > could shoot a pic, but I’ll find out from a new friend what the group > is. Ron > > the above is from a friend in Maine. > > Anyone know where the S layout was from, club? > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66948	From: The Reardon's	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: Modified M2 Trucks and Auto-Hauler

Great job on the "remake" (I'm a Ford-Freak, too). Pat, in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: bull_gator_1 To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 8:49 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Modified M2 Trucks and Auto-Hauler Hi All, The doctor seems to think I have at least 6 months to go because that's how much treatment he has scheduled. Total cost right at $100,000. So I guess he'll keep me kicking long enough to collect his fee - lol. Since I no longer feel like the end is imminent, I've started working on the layout again. I've been working on a couple of the new M2 trucks and auto-hauler today. They are from a new series honoring 100 years of Chevy. As most of you know my layout is locked in time at April 17, 1964 - the introduction of the Ford Mustang. So of course I had to remove all that Chevy crap. The billboard on the auto-hauler has a paper sticker on it, but the entire billboard is easy to remove. I removed all of the Chevy markings with acetone and Q-tips. Some seamed to be decals and some seamed to be painted. All came off with several applications of acetone and slight rubbing with the Q-tip. You can see the originals and the modifieds here: http://tiny.cc/g9hmo Have fun! BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66949	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Re: train show

Mike, That was our club layout...the Bristol S-Gaugers......at the HUB Division NMRA show. And it is NOT a "scale layout".....it is primarily highrail, although it WILL run scale trains as well. Actually, it can run everything from original Gilbert to scale, on AC, DC, DCC, or TMCC. When you were there, did you see the new Challenger running? I can't imagine how you could miss it. Two weeks earlier, at a Greenberg show, it ran non-stop for two days (even double-headed two of them at one point), and ALWAYS had a crowd around it of all ages! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66950	From: John M	Date: 12/6/2011
Subject: Correct diode help.

I'm creating some mainline divisions and setting up individual power feeds to each block. Power is controlled through a spst toggle with a connected light mounted in the board. I seem to be getting some loop back or shorting from the light circuit so I want to put a diode between the switch and the light. Power is provided by a 19B transformer. Is a three amp diode sufficient to handle the feedback? As always, your help is appreciated. Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66951	From: Timboy	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: train show

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > > Mike, > > That was our club layout...the Bristol S-Gaugers......at the HUB > Division NMRA show. > > And it is NOT a "scale layout".....it is primarily highrail, although it > WILL run scale trains as well. > > Actually, it can run everything from original Gilbert to scale, on AC, > DC, DCC, or TMCC. > > When you were there, did you see the new Challenger running? > > I can't imagine how you could miss it. > > Two weeks earlier, at a Greenberg show, it ran non-stop for two days > (even double-headed two of them at one point), and ALWAYS had a crowd > around it of all ages! > > > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Mike & Doug, I looked at all the pics of that layout at the web site. Marvelous scenery! I thought it was a fine-scale layout. Well, the scenery sure is! Very inspirational. I keep telling myself, "Tim, you just can't build a layout to that standard in the size you're building in only one year!". Without a lot of hands working on it, the work goes much slower. I'm still laying track, after a year and a half! And of course, there is always the issue of cost. For right now, I have to be content with the kind of childish fooling-around stuff - like that M&M unloading station I'm doing. So maybe it'll take me 20 years to get it all done to the standard that I would like to have. Come to think of it, I guess I wouldn't want it any other way because for me, the fun is in the building. I suspect it is for most of us as well, which is why it is such a great lifetime hobby. Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66952	From: Brady	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..

All, My thanks to everyone for the inputs, I've decided to drop CTT. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66953	From: Al Baker	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: AFL Challenger Smoke Delectors ?

If one gets an AFL Challenger with Smoke Deflectors, can the Smoke Deflectors be easily removed? Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66954	From: Al Baker	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: AFL Challenger 'Minimum Curve' ?

I see something that says the "Minimum Curve" for the AFL Challenger is 36 inches. It does not specify radius or diameter. Can someone tell me for sure, what is the minimum - and please specify radius or diameter? Thanks! Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66955	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: train show

Thank you Doug I will let Ron know. I was not there, but Ron was. sorry for the confusion. Mike From: Doug Peck Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:53 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: train show Mike, That was our club layout...the Bristol S-Gaugers......at the HUB Division NMRA show. And it is NOT a "scale layout".....it is primarily highrail, although it WILL run scale trains as well. Actually, it can run everything from original Gilbert to scale, on AC, DC, DCC, or TMCC. When you were there, did you see the new Challenger running? I can't imagine how you could miss it. Two weeks earlier, at a Greenberg show, it ran non-stop for two days (even double-headed two of them at one point), and ALWAYS had a crowd around it of all ages! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66956	From: R G	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Challenger 'Minimum Curve' ?

The Challenger will work just fine on traditional Flyer curves  that are approximately 20" radius 40" diameter.  However they look better on larger radius track.  Mine is running just fine negotiating this size of curve. ________________________________ From: Al Baker <albaker33@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 11:17 AM Subject: [S-Trains] AFL Challenger 'Minimum Curve' ?   I see something that says the "Minimum Curve" for the AFL Challenger is 36 inches. It does not specify radius or diameter. Can someone tell me for sure, what is the minimum - and please specify radius or diameter? Thanks! Al Baker Portland, OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66957	From: albert paolozzi	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..

After reading all the criticism,  I will probably also drop my subscription after it expires in April.  I have every issue since it first came out.  Tired of nothing on the two rail Flyer except "a bone now and then".   Al Paolozzi --- On Wed, 12/7/11, Brady <brady@...> wrote: From: Brady <brady@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question.. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 8:49 AM   All, My thanks to everyone for the inputs, I've decided to drop CTT. Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66958	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Nosmo King Streamers

Timboy, You need to post the link to the Nosmo King car lot with the streamers installed. I'd add a couple of more streamers to make it really scream used car lot! It's not quite gaudy enough yet - lol. David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66959	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: AF Challenger minimum curve?

I can't be specific about this particular locomotive, just speak from experience with toy/model locomotives on curves. There are three things that come to mind; 1. ALL toy/model locomotives will go around tighter curves in ratio than their full scale counterparts. As I recall, the tiny "8 ton" Porter Locomotive Company 0-4-0 tank engine has a catalog stated minimum curve radius of 55 feet. While that is incredibly tight for a full scale loco, I can run the Bachmann On30 one around curves of 3" radius right out of the box. That's 12 scale feet! 2. The Gilbert curve radius is generous compared to Lionel three rail curves, yet it is still well below what the prototype locos would demand. Most Flyer engines look somewhat toylike doing it, and the 4-8-4 is totally ridiculous with the extreme overhang of pilot and cab. My thinking is that the 4-8-4 should have at least 36" radius. 3. Most toy train manufacturers try to make all their engines run on their standard curves, and sometimes even "fudge" on their minimums. Rivarrosi used to advertise their HO 2-8-8-2 articulateds would go around 22" radius, but they rarely could do it. When it's all said and done, you can get away with a sharp curve radius, but big locos always run better on wide radius curves for reliable operation and acceptable visual effect. Running a big engine, especially an articulated locomotive, around a layout on standard Flyer curves can be compared to running Godzilla through Tokyo and expecting no damage to the buildings! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66960	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: train show

Ron’s reply to Doug to the list, as it probably did not go through since Ron is not a member. Mike Mike and Doug: The layout was detailed so that I failed to see the center rail – sorry for my error. Does Doug know Phil Johnson of the Amherst club? I have been exchanging e-mails with him for years – a fellow Swede – and met him for the first time last Saturday. Great show – we drive down in a full van from Portland to attend – have for the past three years – as many as 7 of us. I’ll have to stop his Doug’s shop on our next trip to the North Shore. Ron [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66961	From: Ben	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Little rubber man...

Hi all- On a recent random count, I realized I now have 3 #977 operating cabooses, however one is missing the small rubber man. I know this item is most likely reproduced. I was wondering if anyone can point me to a good source for a replacement- whether original or repro? Thanks! Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66962	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..

I am a former Flyer Guy, and also find the lack of non-Lionel articles disappointing in CTT. I'm not sure that the ratio is out of kilter with the Toy Train World, however. The Marx and Shilling guys have a lot more to complain about than we do. I also collect Dimestore and non-tracked plastic and metal toy trains and there is zero coverage of that in CTT..even though they are Classic and Toy Trains. Part of the balance of articles is likely simply lack of authors. Another is that the CTT advertisers are overwhelmingly O Three Rail and Kalmbach has group decisions on magazine content that include the marketing and advertising people.. Like MR, RMC and other magazines I get I look at the articles for ideas and inspiration even if they are not N Scale-specific. For such articles I can rely on our N Scale only magazines...but if you only buy magazines with 100 percent content in your narrow interest you're going to miss many good ideas that can be translated onto your layout. Charlie Vlk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66963	From: R G	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..

Most of us have also navigated away from the CTT forum because we get lost in the sea of "O" Scale. So I am thankful that I found this venue.   Back in the early 60's I used to read model railroader but stop because everything they were writing about was ultra realistic HO scale layouts and equipment.  They lost track that part of their audience back then was not HO and they are losing track that some of us are not O Gauge now! ________________________________ From: albert paolozzi <amflyral@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..   After reading all the criticism,  I will probably also drop my subscription after it expires in April.  I have every issue since it first came out.  Tired of nothing on the two rail Flyer except "a bone now and then".   Al Paolozzi --- On Wed, 12/7/11, Brady <brady@...> wrote: From: Brady <brady@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question.. To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 8:49 AM   All, My thanks to everyone for the inputs, I've decided to drop CTT. Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66964	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: Little rubber man...

Hi Ben, PA13A880 Rubber Man. I have these in stock.  Please contact me off site seccia@.... Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Ben <lbstiles@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Little rubber man...   Hi all- On a recent random count, I realized I now have 3 #977 operating cabooses, however one is missing the small rubber man. I know this item is most likely reproduced. I was wondering if anyone can point me to a good source for a replacement- whether original or repro? Thanks! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66965	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: eBay refund

I just got a really nice 21155 engine on eBay and the seller sent me this notice. That was very kind of him, as I did not expect a refund for postage and that has to be a first for me from a eBay seller. I did remove his last name and full email address. Mike Marmer Hello Michael Marmer, P James o (g@...) has issued a refund for $2.25 USD of your original payment. See Refund Details below for more information. Message from merchant: postage overage. thanks, mike, and enjoy the engine, Jim. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66966	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: Little rubber man...

Hi Ben, Check with Doug Peck at Portlines Supply Company. It is likely he has it. Tom Detmer On 12/7/2011 1:07 PM, Ben wrote: > > Hi all- > > On a recent random count, I realized I now have 3 #977 operating > cabooses, however one is missing the small rubber man. I know this > item is most likely reproduced. I was wondering if anyone can point me > to a good source for a replacement- whether original or repro? > > Thanks! > > Ben > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66967	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: eBay refund

There is another stand up professional, John Heck, who does the same thing. In his auctions he offers postage overage refunds. I have personally received postage refunds from John on at least three separate occasions. Also, and more importantly, John accurately describes the condition of his items, with absolutely no "condition creep", unlike a number of other sellers I have dealt with on Ebay over the years. He also securely packages his items to prevent damage in shipping. In my mind, accurate descriptions and secure packaging is what typifies a 5 Star Seller on Ebay. Once you find a man you can trust, you tend to stick with him. Sounds like you've found one, Mike. Bruce From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 2:06 PM To: Toy Trains ; S Trains Subject: [S-Trains] eBay refund I just got a really nice 21155 engine on eBay and the seller sent me this notice. That was very kind of him, as I did not expect a refund for postage and that has to be a first for me from a eBay seller. I did remove his last name and full email address. Mike Marmer Hello Michael Marmer, P James o (g@...) has issued a refund for $2.25 USD of your original payment. See Refund Details below for more information. Message from merchant: postage overage. thanks, mike, and enjoy the engine, Jim. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66968	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: eBay refund

On 12/7/2011 3:06 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > I just got a really nice 21155 engine on eBay and the seller sent me > this notice. > > That was very kind of him, as I did not expect a refund for postage and > that has to be a first for me from a eBay seller. I have a web site where I sell drive-in theater speakers and parts and the shopping cart does not accurately compute shipping. I often make a partial PayPal refund if the amount is more than a dollar too much. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66969	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: eBay refund

That IS a nice gesture. eBay does have its moments. I've had 99% good dealing thru eBay; I think most people you deal with are decent.... Mark in Oregon --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > I just got a really nice 21155 engine on eBay and the seller sent me this notice. > > That was very kind of him, as I did not expect a refund for postage and that has to be a first for me from a eBay seller. > > I did remove his last name and full email address. > > Mike Marmer > > > Hello Michael Marmer, > > P James o (g@...) has issued a refund for $2.25 USD of your original payment. > > See Refund Details below for more information. > > Message from merchant: postage overage. thanks, mike, and enjoy the engine, Jim. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66970	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: eBay refund

I never understood why more sellers on eBay could not do that. I burned myself twice on eBay selling things. A few of you have brought things from me from this list and I wrote that I would refund the difference to the nearest dollar and I have. John Heck has great descriptions as there are a few other ebayers of S who are gems. But if the price is right, saves me time and money from going to a show, a few extra dollars on postage I will accept. By the way, I have gotten 4 cars this month, for sets for 1958 in E plus condition at about half of the TM book. Mike From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr. Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 5:53 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] eBay refund There is another stand up professional, John Heck, who does the same thing. In his auctions he offers postage overage refunds. I have personally received postage refunds from John on at least three separate occasions. Also, and more importantly, John accurately describes the condition of his items, with absolutely no "condition creep", unlike a number of other sellers I have dealt with on Ebay over the years. He also securely packages his items to prevent damage in shipping. In my mind, accurate descriptions and secure packaging is what typifies a 5 Star Seller on Ebay. Once you find a man you can trust, you tend to stick with him. Sounds like you've found one, Mike. Bruce From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 2:06 PM To: Toy Trains ; S Trains Subject: [S-Trains] eBay refund I just got a really nice 21155 engine on eBay and the seller sent me this notice. That was very kind of him, as I did not expect a refund for postage and that has to be a first for me from a eBay seller. I did remove his last name and full email address. Mike Marmer Hello Michael Marmer, P James o (mailto:g%40optonline.net) has issued a refund for $2.25 USD of your original payment. See Refund Details below for more information. Message from merchant: postage overage. thanks, mike, and enjoy the engine, Jim. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66971	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: Little rubber man...

Does anyone have a original walking brakeman, not a repro. Thanks for letting me if you have one for sale. Mike From: Sheila Seccia Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 5:16 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Little rubber man... Hi Ben, PA13A880 Rubber Man. I have these in stock. Please contact me off site mailto:seccia%40aol.com. Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Ben <mailto:lbstiles%40verizon.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Little rubber man... Hi all- On a recent random count, I realized I now have 3 #977 operating cabooses, however one is missing the small rubber man. I know this item is most likely reproduced. I was wondering if anyone can point me to a good source for a replacement- whether original or repro? Thanks! Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66972	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: eBay refund

I get them quite often Mike as it is difficult for them to asses overseas postage. Restores faith in the system. Alistair On Thu 08/12/11 7:36 AM , "Michael & Linda Marmer" mlmarmer@... sent: I just got a really nice 21155 engine on eBay and the seller sent me this notice. That was very kind of him, as I did not expect a refund for postage and that has to be a first for me from a eBay seller. I did remove his last name and full email address. Mike Marmer Hello Michael Marmer, P James o (g@... [1]) has issued a refund for $2.25 USD of your original payment. See Refund Details below for more information. Message from merchant: postage overage. thanks, mike, and enjoy the engine, Jim. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:g@... [2] mailto:mlmarmer@...?subject=Re:%20eBay%20refund [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20eBay%20refund [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvcDdqcGQ2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2Njk2NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjMyOTcyNTA-?act=reply&messageNum=66965 [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjazcydWZxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjMyOTcyNTA- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/66965;_ylc=X3oDMTM0dWwzN2xjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2Njk2NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjMyOTcyNTAEdHBjSWQDNjY5NjU- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkaDJubGl1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzIzMjk3MjUw?o=6 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkaGh1OHFuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzIzMjk3MjUw [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjN251MTA4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMjMyOTcyNTA- [10] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [11] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15o13iobn/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1323304450/L=9505b650-2123-11e1-ae0d-9725bf3a90d8/B=YiyFFkoGYms-/J=1323297250597120/K=eGGu15fNWbkmSnLZ5s8pHw/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*<a href= [12] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiZmdraW4wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMyMzI5NzI1MA-- [13] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional [14] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest [15] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [16] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66973	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Re: eBay refund

Alistair, that is great that others do that too, as I have I have seen anyone do this. And I can’t complain as I accept the postage based on what I won it for. But it was a nice thing to see. Mike From: alizoo@... Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 7:01 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] eBay refund I get them quite often Mike as it is difficult for them to asses overseas postage. Restores faith in the system. Alistair On Thu 08/12/11 7:36 AM , "Michael & Linda Marmer" mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net sent: I just got a really nice 21155 engine on eBay and the seller sent me this notice. That was very kind of him, as I did not expect a refund for postage and that has to be a first for me from a eBay seller. I did remove his last name and full email address. Mike Marmer Hello Michael Marmer, P James o (mailto:g%40optonline.net [1]) has issued a refund for $2.25 USD of your original payment. See Refund Details below for more information. Message from merchant: postage overage. thanks, mike, and enjoy the engine, Jim. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:mailto:g%40optonline.net [2] mailto:mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net?subject=Re:%20eBay%20refund [3] mailto:mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20eBay%20refund [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvcDdqcGQ2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2Njk2NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjMyOTcyNTA-?act=reply&messageNum=66965 [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjazcydWZxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjMyOTcyNTA- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/66965;_ylc=X3oDMTM0dWwzN2xjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2Njk2NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjMyOTcyNTAEdHBjSWQDNjY5NjU- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkaDJubGl1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzIzMjk3MjUw?o=6 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkaGh1OHFuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzIzMjk3MjUw [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjN251MTA4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMjMyOTcyNTA- [10] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [11] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15o13iobn/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1323304450/L=9505b650-2123-11e1-ae0d-9725bf3a90d8/B=YiyFFkoGYms-/J=1323297250597120/K=eGGu15fNWbkmSnLZ5s8pHw/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*<a href= [12] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiZmdraW4wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMyMzI5NzI1MA-- [13] mailto:mailto:S-Trains-traditional%40yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional [14] mailto:mailto:S-Trains-digest%40yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest [15] mailto:mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [16] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66974	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: Howard Sheffield

Howard. Send me your email address, as I have a picture and story about a milk train, and one of the milk cars is a Sheffield Farms milk car. We have talked about Sheffield Farms in the past and I thought you might to see this and maybe save it. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66975	From: adrian.phillips52	Date: 12/7/2011
Subject: way cool lighting kits

We are really please to announce we have created cost effective lighting kits for all those models that you have without lighting. At $19.00 New Zealand dollars special launch price they are a best buy at the moment. This is a launch special for the Xmas season and what a great project for the Christma Holidays and those old coaches will look great next year all lit up at night. Visit us on line http://www.phillipsmodels.co.nz

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66976	From: earl.carlsen@att.net	Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: Lionel /AF Mikado

I have a question / problem?? Where does the subject steam engine pick up it's power from the track? I have ckecked mine and, it seems to only be picking up power @ the rear / trailing truck.. Is this for real, if so - is there any way to improve the electrical pick-up? On the same note.. Does anyone run their Mikado on AM turnouts - I have a lot of dead spots as I cross the turnout - any known / easy fixes? (short jumper wires, PCB ties, or whatever else) Thanks for any help in making a HAPPY HOLIDAY for this frustrated Lionel owner/ operator.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66977	From: Dave	Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: SCULLIN DISC DRIVER INSTALLATION (Advertisement)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 66978	From: Timboy	Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: My 2nd Effort At Building An M&M Unloading Station

Flyer Nation: Thanks to Stumpy for the original idea and everyone else who chimed in with encouragement on my efforts to build an M&M Unloading Station! Here is a link to my Flyer blog where I created a page on my 2nd (and final) effort. Just click on the link under "What's New". http://americanflyertrainsarethebest.blogspot.com/ Now it's time to re-make The Nosmo King Car Lot Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66979	From: Timboy	Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: Re: Nosmo King Streamers

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Timboy, > > You need to post the link to the Nosmo King car lot with the streamers installed. I'd add a couple of more streamers to make it really scream used car lot! It's not quite gaudy enough yet - lol. > > David > David, Hee-Hee-Hee. You're right! It's NOT near gaudy enough. Nosmo King is so successful that he is remodeling it already! While he is doing that, I am re-doing the M&M Unloading Station. I'm trying to find a blend between the fine-scale modeling we saw in Doug's Bristol S-Gauger Club and my toy train hi-rail layout. IOW's, I want more realistic detail, but it has to fit in with the out-of-scale trains and that elusive American Flyer distictiveness. I've got the station about 1/2 done and hope to post a link to it sometime soon. Thanks! Timboy, The Blender

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66980	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel /AF Mikado

My Mikado is a great engine and I like it a lot. I do have a similar problem on the one AM turnout that I have on the track. The other turnouts I have work fine but the AM turnout is a problem in the "curved" position. It is fine in the straight position (if I can call it that). I also would appreciate any suggestions. Tom Detmer On 12/8/2011 6:45 AM, earl.carlsen@... wrote: > > I have a question / problem?? > > Where does the subject steam engine pick up it's power from the track? > I have ckecked mine and, it seems to only be picking up power @ the > rear / trailing truck.. > Is this for real, if so - is there any way to improve the electrical > pick-up? > > On the same note.. > Does anyone run their Mikado on AM turnouts - I have a lot of dead > spots as I cross the turnout - any known / easy fixes? > (short jumper wires, PCB ties, or whatever else) > > Thanks for any help in making a HAPPY HOLIDAY for this frustrated > Lionel owner/ operator. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66981	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: My 2nd effort at building an M&Ms unloading station

Good plan and nice job. I never thought about access to the "load" after it entered the store. I figured to take the roof off, but this is much quicker for getting that M&M fix! Good show! While I'm at it, I want to publicly give an "atta' boy" to all the guys who have e-mailed me photos of their kit bashing and scratch building projects! Keep up the good work and creativity! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66982	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel /AF Mikado

----- Original Message ----- From: earl.carlsen@... Where does the subject steam engine pick up its power from the track? > > > > > > > > > I've never looked at one. You mean it doesn't pick up power from the tender trucks? < < < < < < < < < . . . . . . .Is this for real, if so - is there any way to improve the electrical pick-up? > > > > > > > > > Could the SHS tender trucks be used? Or AM's ? Sounds like it's either that or make your own wheel wipers. Bring it to Monroe. We'll take it apart and analyze it. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Mich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66983	From: Bill	Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: s-scale wide vision caboose

I'm looking for (preferably) an unlettered s-scale wide vision caboose.If you have one please drop me a line at reklein72@... and we'll see if we can make a deal. Ideally I'd like it to already have a Spokane Portland and Seattle paint job but will takae what I can get. BILL in Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66984	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel /AF Mikado

The power is picked up by the Mikado drive wheels also. Here is a fix for the AM insulated frog. http://www.tuveson.com/am-hot-frog/am-turnout-frog-fix.htm Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of earl.carlsen@... Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:46 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Lionel /AF Mikado I have a question / problem?? Where does the subject steam engine pick up it's power from the track? I have ckecked mine and, it seems to only be picking up power @ the rear / trailing truck.. Is this for real, if so - is there any way to improve the electrical pick-up? On the same note.. Does anyone run their Mikado on AM turnouts - I have a lot of dead spots as I cross the turnout - any known / easy fixes? (short jumper wires, PCB ties, or whatever else) Thanks for any help in making a HAPPY HOLIDAY for this frustrated Lionel owner/ operator. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66985	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: train dvd set

since i am the nug, i really think this dvd set is cool, makes me want to go back in time agian to the trains for real, it is great american & euperan railroads, man it is neat american flyer is even more aqcurate than i though, it is just too cool, got it at target discount section for 9 bucks worth seeing if you havent.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66986	From: Timboy	Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote: > > Most of us have also navigated away from the CTT forum because we get lost in the sea of "O" Scale. So I am thankful that I found this venue. >   > Back in the early 60's I used to read model railroader but stop because everything they were writing about was ultra realistic HO scale layouts and equipment.  They lost track that part of their audience back then was not HO and they are losing track that some of us are not O Gauge now! > > > ________________________________ > From: albert paolozzi <amflyral@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 1:03 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question.. > > >   > After reading all the criticism,  I will probably also drop my subscription after it expires in April.  I have every issue since it first came out.  Tired of nothing on the two rail Flyer except "a bone now and then".   Al Paolozzi > > --- On Wed, 12/7/11, Brady <brady@...> wrote: > > From: Brady <brady@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question.. > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011, 8:49 AM > >   > > All, > > My thanks to everyone for the inputs, I've decided to drop CTT. > > Brady Burdge > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > RG, If you do venture back over to the "dark side" of the CTT Forum, keep this in mind: If you even mention me or my American Flyer layout, your thread will get deleted. That is a fact. Turns out, I'm a living legend over there and I love it! On the CTT Forum, American Flyer is only tolerated as a passing thought. Dwell on it and they will not like it. They are Lionel 3-Rail Guys. Period. Regards, Timboy, The American Flyer Guy That The CTT Forum LOVES To Hate

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66987	From: Alex	Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel /AF Mikado

Hi Tom, We have run two Mikados on our club layout. One had electrical pickup on the trailing truck and the other had electrical pickup on the pilot truck as well. The one with one pickup had difficulty maintaining lectrical contact without excessive speed. It is disconcerting to hear the prototypical 4 chugs per revolution hiccup while running around the layout. The Mikado with two pickups runs smooth. Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Detmer To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel /AF Mikado My Mikado is a great engine and I like it a lot. I do have a similar problem on the one AM turnout that I have on the track. The other turnouts I have work fine but the AM turnout is a problem in the "curved" position. It is fine in the straight position (if I can call it that). I also would appreciate any suggestions. Tom Detmer On 12/8/2011 6:45 AM, earl.carlsen@... wrote: > > I have a question / problem?? > > Where does the subject steam engine pick up it's power from the track? > I have ckecked mine and, it seems to only be picking up power @ the > rear / trailing truck.. > Is this for real, if so - is there any way to improve the electrical > pick-up? > > On the same note.. > Does anyone run their Mikado on AM turnouts - I have a lot of dead > spots as I cross the turnout - any known / easy fixes? > (short jumper wires, PCB ties, or whatever else) > > Thanks for any help in making a HAPPY HOLIDAY for this frustrated > Lionel owner/ operator. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66988	From: wb4hay	Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: Couplers

How hard is it to convert af rolling stock from the old couplers to the knuckle ones? Any help with how to do it would be appreciated. Kelly

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66989	From: Dave	Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: WHEEL INSULATOR SALE, ONE DAY ONLY (advertisement)

"ONE DAY ONLY SALE ON WHEEL INSULATORS" #INSULL-1, Off White Color Reg. $3.25 ea. 12-10-2011 ONLY $2.25 View sale at: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html This is the time to stock up on these PREMIMUM GRADE WHEEL INSULATORS made for American Flyer steam engines with metal rims (1946 - 1965). NOT FOR 0-8-0 or 0-6-0 engines. Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises,llc 502-292-1872

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66990	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..

> > > If you do venture back over to the "dark side" of the CTT Forum, keep this in mind: If you even mention me or my American Flyer layout, your thread will get deleted. That is a fact. Turns out, I'm a living legend over there and I love it! On the CTT Forum, American Flyer is only tolerated as a passing thought. Dwell on it and they will not like it. They are Lionel 3-Rail Guys. Period. > > Regards, > Timboy, The American Flyer Guy That The CTT Forum LOVES To Hate > > Hmmmm��. I don't belong to the CTT Forum � but I might have to stop in and cause some trouble!!! Just because! lol Rick in Cali. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66991	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: name

dvd name is GREAT AMERICAN & EUROPEAN RAILROADS, alot of background on maintance etc. on the real railroads, it shows alot of detail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66992	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Re: train dvd set

Which DVD set? Alistair On Fri 09/12/11 1:10 PM , "Jimbo" jad01@... sent: since i am the nug, i really think this dvd set is cool, makes me want to go back in time agian to the trains for real, it is great american & euperan railroads, man it is neat american flyer is even more aqcurate than i though, it is just too cool, got it at target discount section for 9 bucks worth seeing if you havent. ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:jad01@...?subject=Re:%20train%20dvd%20set [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20train%20dvd%20set [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvc29pYjYwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2Njk4NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjM0MDI1Mjk-?act=reply&messageNum=66985 [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZHEzMjByBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjM0MDI1Mjk- [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/66985;_ylc=X3oDMTM0dXRiZjZxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2Njk4NQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjM0MDI1MjkEdHBjSWQDNjY5ODU- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkY29iNnFvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzIzNDAyNTI5?o=6 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkaGZoM2lrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzIzNDAyNTI5 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZXFtZjVuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMjM0MDI1Mjk- [9] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [10] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15oeuato0/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1323409729/L=b42b7b64-2218-11e1-a955-c3ceec784828/B=VaiSPNBDRuk-/J=1323402529530658/K=RgEwY3stMBwiPSvLgTIq0A/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*<a href= [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJib2Nma2Y2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMyMzQwMjUyOQ-- [12] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional [13] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest [14] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66993	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers

Very simple. You'll find instructions in one of our AF REPAIR CLINICS on our website. <<<How hard is it to convert af rolling stock from the old couplers to the knuckle ones? Any help with how to do it would be appreciated.>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66994	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Diesel brush question

’m having a difficult time trying to attach the brushes (PA11684) to the brush holders P-10132) for the Alco diesels. Has anyone have a successful method attaching these to each other? Thanks Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66995	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Re: To CTT, or not CTT, that is the question..

BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Never heard of him on the CTT forum and I doubt if anybody cares who he is. . I run S gauge O gauge and Standard Gauge. The time for this two rail or else or three rails rule sort of nonsense was gone in the years when Lionel and Gilbert were rivals so forget the animosity. just get on with enjoying your brand of railroading and forget what the opposition is doing. Alistair On Fri 09/12/11 4:52 PM , Rick Evans bassflyer@... sent: > > > If you do venture back over to the "dark side" of the CTT Forum, keep this in mind: If you even mention me or my American Flyer layout, your thread will get deleted. That is a fact. Turns out, I'm a living legend over there and I love it! On the CTT Forum, American Flyer is only tolerated as a passing thought. Dwell on it and they will not like it. They are Lionel 3-Rail Guys. Period. > > Regards, > Timboy, The American Flyer Guy That The CTT Forum LOVES To Hate > > Hmmmm . I don't belong to the CTT Forum but I might have to stop in and cause some trouble!!! Just because! lol Rick in Cali. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/ Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/join (Yahoo! ID required) To change settings via email: S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com [1] S-Trains-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com [2] To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com [3] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com [2] mailto:S-Trains-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com [3] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66996	From: The Upstairs Train	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: For Sale: Gilbert's First Five-Digit Red-Stripe Streamliner Set

This set was made in 1960-1962. I have: - the #24773 Columbus Combination car in weak TCA C-6 (VG) condition - the #24813 Vista Dome Car closer to C-5 (Good), and - the #24833 Observation Car in strong C-6 (VG) condition; I'm tempted to call it weak C-7 (Excellent) - clearly the nicest of the cars. Sorry, no coach car. I'd prefer to sell them as a set, but will consider individual sales if the set doesn't sell soon. Both the 2010 Greenberg and the new TM Guide value give the value (adjusted for condition) at about $300. Make offer. Pictures available on request. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66997	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Oddities ....

OK….. Yahoo is doing something weird with posts (strange symbols and all), I've seen other posts besides mine with oddities! On Dec 8, 2011, at 11:22 PM, Rick Evans wrote: >> > Hmmmm∑∑. I don't belong to the CTT Forum ∑ but I might have to stop in and cause some trouble!!! > Just because! lol > > Rick in Cali. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66998	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: SHS Rolling Stock For sale

Hello, all! I need to reduce some of my fleet. These cars are very lightly used. Some have never been out of the box. . Please contact off-list if interested. Thanks for looking! Earl Henry, Nashville, TN _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) _www.earlhenrybirdprints.com_ (http://www.earlhenrybirdprints.com) (615) 298-4502 S Helper Service ================ #00404 3 bay PS-2 3 covered hopper New York Central #2: 883092 Original box with HR wheels and AF style couplers, plus scale wheels in the box. Gray car with black lettering $40 plus shipping (two cars are available) #001453 Rebuilt Central of Georgia #1, Red. 5504 LN in original box Red car with silver oval and silver roof $40 plus shipping #01576 Rebuilt Central of Georgia #3, Maroon. 5506 LN in original box Maroon car with silver oval and silver roof $40 plus shipping #01022 Rebuilt L&N - Dixie #2, 5048 LN in original box Blue car with yellow lettering $40 plus shipping #01023 Rebuilt L&N - Dixie #2, 7152 LN in original box Blue car with yellow lettering $40 plus shipping #01729 Bulkhead Flatcar GM&O #1, 74051 Teal pipes, LN in original box Tuscan car with white lettering $59 plus shipping #00086 PS-2 CNW 2-Bay Covered Hopper, LN in original box Green car with yellow lettering $48 plus shipping #01728 Bulkhead Flatcar 2006 Christmas car, BN 621076 LN in original box, with load of wrapped Christmas presents Green car with white lettering $75 plus shipping Note-Order two or more and shipping is free [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 66999	From: Larry Asp	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers

A set of aluminum passenger cars I aquired were converted to knuckle couplers. However - this added about 1/2 - 3/4" more space between the cars and didnt look right. This happens on other cars as well - so you might want to think a bit before converting. > > > > <<<How hard is it to convert af rolling stock from the old couplers to > the knuckle ones? Any help with how to do it would be appreciated.>>> > > > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > doug@... > www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67000	From: David	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: BLACK Drive Wheel Insulators

Arriving soon, BLACK DRIVE WHEEL INSULATORS for Pre-1966 AF steam engines (not for 0-8-0 or 0-6-0). For further info. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP. Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. Dave LBR Enterprises,llc 502-292-1872 lbrenterprisesllc@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67001	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel /AF Mikado

Hi Alex, Thanks for the additional information. I checked and I have the electrical pickup on the trailing truck only. I haven't had any problem with the Mikado running smooth and I guess I didn't know enough about the prototype to know there is a difference in the chugs. I suppose it could be disconcerting to someone who is knowledgeable about that. I do like mine though and it runs fine at all speeds except for the AM turnout when I get a spark from the frog and also the tender tends to derail in the curved position on the turnout. The track I use is SHS flextrack and that may help with the good electrical connection I get at any speed, although I don't know. The single pickup might also explain the sparking in the AM turnout, although it's interesting that I don't get that in other turnouts I have and it also wouldn't explain the tender derailment issue. The turnout doesn't appear to "pick" the wheels on the tender, if that's the right term, so I can't really explain that problem and I've studied it closely. Tom On 12/8/2011 5:59 PM, Alex wrote: > > Hi Tom, > We have run two Mikados on our club layout. One had electrical pickup > on the trailing truck and the other had electrical pickup on the pilot > truck as well. The one with one pickup had difficulty maintaining > lectrical contact without excessive speed. It is disconcerting to hear > the prototypical 4 chugs per revolution hiccup while running around > the layout. The Mikado with two pickups runs smooth. > Alex > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67002	From: R G	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers

Contact Doug at Port Line Hobbies he has  the replacement couplers .  The older style link couplers are easy to remove. I find that if you use a pliers to squeeze together the area of the pin where it was upset by the rivet tool the pin can be loosened and removed easily.  The knuckle cooupler fits right in and a split rivet is bent over and holds it in place.     I however actually like the link couplers and with proper care and adjustment find them better than the knuckle couplers.  Link couplers will couple on curves Knuckles will not, also the link coupler cars couple closer together with the link couplers than they do with knuckles couplers attached.  I have a few conversion cars with a knuckle on one end and a link coupler on the other, I also have conversion cars with a kadee coupler on one end and a flyer knuckle on the other so it does not matter what the locomotive coupler is I can run what ever I want.  Behind my new Challenger I run a coal train of link coupler hoppers.  Some of my trains start with kadee go to flyer knuckles than to link couplers and back again  to kadee by the time the caboose comes.    My AF link coupler cars and locos have their link couplers on them, the Flyer knuckle coupler cars have Flyer knuckles and AM and SHS cars and locos have kadee couplers on them.   I know I am wierd but as Tim Boy would say they're my trains to do with as I want.    Rich  aka Major  ________________________________ From: wb4hay <wb4hay@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2011 6:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Couplers   How hard is it to convert af rolling stock from the old couplers to the knuckle ones? Any help with how to do it would be appreciated. Kelly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67003	From: Timboy	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Larry Asp <larry.asp@...> wrote: > > A set of aluminum passenger cars I aquired were converted to knuckle couplers. However - this added about 1/2 - 3/4" more space between the cars and didnt look right. This happens on other cars as well - so you might want to think a bit before converting. > > > > > > > > <<<How hard is it to convert af rolling stock from the old couplers to > > the knuckle ones? Any help with how to do it would be appreciated.>>> > > > > > > > > Doug Peck > > Port Lines Hobby Supply > > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > > doug@... > > www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> > > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > > 978-465-8798 > > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > Larry, I agree. I won't convert pax cars to knuckle couplers for that very reason. They have MUCH closer spacing with the original linkers and look a lot better that way, IMHO. Here are some linker tips that I have developed along the way: http://timmysamericanflyertrains.blogspot.com/2011/01/linker-coupler-tips-and-tricks.html Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67004	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel /AF Mikado

Something is wrong with the Mikado if you don't have electrical contact between the drivers and the trailing truck. See wiring diagram: http://www.tuveson.com/Manual/WiringDiagram_Internal%20Model%20.pdf The drivers may be dirty at the axle. This is where the pickup is transfered to the loco's wiring. On the wiring diagram the spade lugs are where the drivers are connected to the wiring harness. See photo: http://www.tuveson.com/c&o-mike/newvalvegear.jpg The driver's wiring terminal's screws are just in front of the red and black smoke switch wires. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Tom Detmer Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 8:15 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel /AF Mikado Hi Alex, Thanks for the additional information. I checked and I have the electrical pickup on the trailing truck only. I haven't had any problem with the Mikado running smooth and I guess I didn't know enough about the prototype to know there is a difference in the chugs. I suppose it could be disconcerting to someone who is knowledgeable about that. I do like mine though and it runs fine at all speeds except for the AM turnout when I get a spark from the frog and also the tender tends to derail in the curved position on the turnout. The track I use is SHS flextrack and that may help with the good electrical connection I get at any speed, although I don't know. The single pickup might also explain the sparking in the AM turnout, although it's interesting that I don't get that in other turnouts I have and it also wouldn't explain the tender derailment issue. The turnout doesn't appear to "pick" the wheels on the tender, if that's the right term, so I can't really explain that problem and I've studied it closely. Tom On 12/8/2011 5:59 PM, Alex wrote: > > Hi Tom, > We have run two Mikados on our club layout. One had electrical pickup > on the trailing truck and the other had electrical pickup on the pilot > truck as well. The one with one pickup had difficulty maintaining > lectrical contact without excessive speed. It is disconcerting to hear > the prototypical 4 chugs per revolution hiccup while running around > the layout. The Mikado with two pickups runs smooth. > Alex > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67005	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers

I have conversion kits available. My number KT0315 includes 2-PA13A065 Split Rivets, 2-XA13A067 Knuckle Couplers and a Link Coupler Removal Tool with A.C Gilbert Instruction Sheet. Please contact me off site for price seccia@... � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: wb4hay <wb4hay@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2011 6:37 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Couplers   How hard is it to convert af rolling stock from the old couplers to the knuckle ones? Any help with how to do it would be appreciated. Kelly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67006	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Re: SHS Rolling Stock For sale

earl: interested in the 2 c of g cars, can you combine for shipping?, and if so how much?, also need mailing address thanks mel perry On Dec 9, 2011, at 7:07 AM, tennsgauge@... wrote: > Hello, all! > > I need to reduce some of my fleet. These cars are very lightly used. > Some have never been out of the box. . > > Please contact off-list if interested. Thanks for looking! > > Earl Henry, Nashville, TN > _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) > _www.earlhenrybirdprints.com_ (http://www.earlhenrybirdprints.com) > (615) 298-4502 > > S Helper Service > ================ > #00404 3 bay PS-2 3 covered hopper New York Central #2: 883092 > Original box with HR wheels and AF style couplers, plus scale > wheels in > the box. > Gray car with black lettering > $40 plus shipping > (two cars are available) > > #001453 Rebuilt Central of Georgia #1, Red. 5504 > LN in original box > Red car with silver oval and silver roof > $40 plus shipping > > > #01576 Rebuilt Central of Georgia #3, Maroon. 5506 > LN in original box > Maroon car with silver oval and silver roof > $40 plus shipping > > #01022 Rebuilt L&N - Dixie #2, 5048 > LN in original box > Blue car with yellow lettering > $40 plus shipping > > #01023 Rebuilt L&N - Dixie #2, 7152 > LN in original box > Blue car with yellow lettering > $40 plus shipping > > > #01729 Bulkhead Flatcar GM&O #1, 74051 Teal pipes, > LN in original box > Tuscan car with white lettering > $59 plus shipping > > > > #00086 PS-2 CNW 2-Bay Covered Hopper, > LN in original box > Green car with yellow lettering > $48 plus shipping > > > > #01728 Bulkhead Flatcar 2006 Christmas car, BN 621076 > LN in original box, with load of wrapped Christmas presents > Green car with white lettering > $75 plus shipping > > > Note-Order two or more and shipping is free > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67007	From: JOHN RUTH	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: ACSGCDiv Super Eight Layout

Atlantic Coast S Gauge Carolina Division constructed a traveling layout for one day events that could be transported by one member and set up in forty-five minutes. The layout is 5X9 and consists of 4 modules that can be placed on two 8 foot tables or three 6 foot tables usually available on site. The track pattern is a figure 8 with a passing section in both the overpass and underpass. That is why we nicknamed it "Super Eight." The modified Atlantic locos can run automatically, and there are 7 push buttons for the public to operate a variety of accessories on the layout. The locos have can motors in order to keep each one traveling at the same speed. All the trucks on the tenders and cars have been converted SHS or AM trucks for easy pulling and smoother performance. The key to having three locos run automatically on the same track is the electronic control module nicknamed- "The Brain"  which is the "brain-child" of member Rhett George. In the curves of each end is a current detection unit that signals "The Brain" that a loco is at that place in the track. This sets into motion the stopping, starting, and throwing of switches. There is also 4 semaphores that operate in response to the action of the switches. When  everything is in the right adjustment, the three locos have been known to run automatically for 15 to 20 minutes. There is also a short reversing  handcar track to add another dimension to the train activity on a 5X9 layout. 'The Brain' is under the bulldozer sales building. Here is the link:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/recent/833561916/view Jack Ruth [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67008	From: Dave	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: REPAIRMANS DRIVE WHEEL HUB TOOL (Advertisement)

We are offering a hub triming tool for the repairmen in this group. Now you can put your AF drive wheel hub on this tool, plain or studded hub, and then chuck it up in your drill press or 3/8 chuck hand held drill and file the stake marks out of them when fitting the hub to a new insulator and rim assembly. This tool holds the hub centered for a true round statis when being filed to size. PRICE: $10.25 ea. which includes shipping in CONUS. For further info. PLEASE CONTACT US OFF GROUP at dave@... Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. Dave LBR Enterprises,llc 502-292-1872

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67009	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel /AF Mikado

Hi Alex, Sparking always means poor electrical contact, usually due to dirt or oxidation. Your SHS track is made from nickel-silver. That is a brass alloy which oxidizes to a conductive material. We do not expect sparking on that stuff. It is one of the reasons it is the only material used for N-Gauge track. The AM tracks I have seen (and I used to use them on some modules) are made from a more common brass alloy. It has an insulating oxidation. So, first shot would be to clean the rails where you see the sparks. When I acquired some AM switches, they came with instructions about placement of an additional guard rail when wheels with smaller (scale) flanges were used. The switches as made had only one guard rail. The guard rail does not help with electrical conduction, but, it might be useful in keeping your wheel treads on the rail head. So, the second thing to check is whether or not a guard rail would help. Be sure to clear away any weeds growing near the site of your sparks. We don't want to start a fire there. Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 12/9/2011 8:14 AM, Tom Detmer wrote: > Hi Alex, > > Thanks for the additional information. I checked and I have the > electrical pickup on the trailing truck only. I haven't had any problem > with the Mikado running smooth and I guess I didn't know enough about > the prototype to know there is a difference in the chugs. I suppose it > could be disconcerting to someone who is knowledgeable about that. I do > like mine though and it runs fine at all speeds except for the AM > turnout when I get a spark from the frog and also the tender tends to > derail in the curved position on the turnout. The track I use is SHS > flextrack and that may help with the good electrical connection I get at > any speed, although I don't know. The single pickup might also explain > the sparking in the AM turnout, although it's interesting that I don't > get that in other turnouts I have and it also wouldn't explain the > tender derailment issue. The turnout doesn't appear to "pick" the > wheels on the tender, if that's the right term, so I can't really > explain that problem and I've studied it closely. > > Tom >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67010	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Couplers

Kadee couplers look even nicer...... Steve In a message dated 12/9/2011 11:35:27 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, timstrains2000@... writes: --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , Larry Asp <larry.asp@...> wrote: > > A set of aluminum passenger cars I aquired were converted to knuckle couplers. However - this added about 1/2 - 3/4" more space between the cars and didnt look right. This happens on other cars as well - so you might want to think a bit before converting. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67011	From: Dave	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: DRIVE WHEEL HUB TOOL (Advertisement)

The hub tool may be viewed here at our album or at our web site at http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises,llc 502-292-1872

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67012	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Re: Diesel brush question

Both pieces need to be "tinned" prior to soldering together. OR you can buy them already put together. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 12/9/2011 6:01:44 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, jhannawald@... writes: ’m having a difficult time trying to attach the brushes (PA11684) to the brush holders P-10132) for the Alco diesels. Has anyone have a successful method attaching these to each other? Thanks Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67013	From: Tom Detmer	Date: 12/9/2011
Subject: Re: Lionel /AF Mikado

Hi Bill, Thanks for your additional suggestions. I have only observed the sparking on the one frog point and no where else on my track. So I suspect that there is a bad electrical contact at that single point as you have pointed out. Carl Tuveson has a method of fixing a poor contact on a frog point like that so I may try to follow Carl's instructions and see if it fixes the turnout. Otherwise my SHS track works great and the nickel silver track appears to maintain excellent electrical conductivity to my engines. The guard rail might solve my issue with the tender not properly following through on the turnout. I'll have to give it a try. It's always nice to have possible solutions to try out to fix issues that arise. By the way, I've cleared out all the weeds! Tom Detmer On 12/9/2011 2:52 PM, Bill Porter wrote: > > Hi Alex, > > Sparking always means poor electrical contact, usually due to dirt or > oxidation. Your SHS track is made from nickel-silver. That is a brass > alloy which oxidizes to a conductive material. We do not expect sparking > on that stuff. It is one of the reasons it is the only material used for > N-Gauge track. The AM tracks I have seen (and I used to use them on some > modules) are made from a more common brass alloy. It has an insulating > oxidation. So, first shot would be to clean the rails where you see the > sparks. > > When I acquired some AM switches, they came with instructions about > placement of an additional guard rail when wheels with smaller (scale) > flanges were used. The switches as made had only one guard rail. The > guard rail does not help with electrical conduction, but, it might be > useful in keeping your wheel treads on the rail head. So, the second > thing to check is whether or not a guard rail would help. > > Be sure to clear away any weeds growing near the site of your sparks. We > don't want to start a fire there. > > Bill > > Bill Porter > South Florida > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67014	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: AFL Handcar Part II

Hi All, Ok - I'm back at it again with this piece of crap AFL handcar. Here's where I was: 1. The handcar failed to run in both directions right out of the box. 2. The seller wouldn't take it back. 3. Based on the date it was out of warranty. I have since taken it to three different Lionel shops in the Houston area and all have refused to even look at repairing it. They claim that Lionel has no replacement parts. So tonight I decided to tear it down myself. The worst I could do is - well it doesn't work, so I guess the worst I could do is nothing. I put some penetrating oil on the pin that attaches the handbar and was able to finally remove the pin. I took off the shell and can find no apparent problem. If I close both limit switches by hand with the shell off it will run in the opposite direction, so the motor and switches appear to be ok. When I put the shell back on it will only run in one direction. I have found that both limit switches must be either open or closed to allow the motor to run. With only 1 limit switch closed the motor stops. For some reason the reversing bar is only closing one limit switch so the engine runs until you slide the bar to close the limit switches, then the motor stops. I can not find any way to adjust the position of the limit switches or the slide mechanism. No wonder no service man wants anything to do with this crap. So before I use this thing for target practice with my side-by-side 10 guage double barrel shotgun, does anyone have any idea how to adjust this dammmm thing?????? BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67015	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II

Contact Mike Reagan at Lionel _mreagan@..._ (mailto:mreagan@...) He'll tell you what your chances are. DO YOU wonder how many more there are just like yours??? Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/10/2011 7:57:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: Hi All, Ok - I'm back at it again with this piece of crap AFL handcar. Here's where I was: 1. The handcar failed to run in both directions right out of the box. 2. The seller wouldn't take it back. 3. Based on the date it was out of warranty. I have since taken it to three different Lionel shops in the Houston area and all have refused to even look at repairing it. They claim that Lionel has no replacement parts. So tonight I decided to tear it down myself. The worst I could do is - well it doesn't work, so I guess the worst I could do is nothing. I put some penetrating oil on the pin that attaches the handbar and was able to finally remove the pin. I took off the shell and can find no apparent problem. If I close both limit switches by hand with the shell off it will run in the opposite direction, so the motor and switches appear to be ok. When I put the shell back on it will only run in one direction. I have found that both limit switches must be either open or closed to allow the motor to run. With only 1 limit switch closed the motor stops. For some reason the reversing bar is only closing one limit switch so the engine runs until you slide the bar to close the limit switches, then the motor stops. I can not find any way to adjust the position of the limit switches or the slide mechanism. No wonder no service man wants anything to do with this crap. So before I use this thing for target practice with my side-by-side 10 guage double barrel shotgun, does anyone have any idea how to adjust this dammmm thing?????? BG1 ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67016	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II

Send it back to Lionel for them to work on? Mike From: bull_gator_1 Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 10:27 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AFL Handcar Part II Hi All, Ok - I'm back at it again with this piece of crap AFL handcar. Here's where I was: 1. The handcar failed to run in both directions right out of the box. 2. The seller wouldn't take it back. 3. Based on the date it was out of warranty. I have since taken it to three different Lionel shops in the Houston area and all have refused to even look at repairing it. They claim that Lionel has no replacement parts. So tonight I decided to tear it down myself. The worst I could do is - well it doesn't work, so I guess the worst I could do is nothing. I put some penetrating oil on the pin that attaches the handbar and was able to finally remove the pin. I took off the shell and can find no apparent problem. If I close both limit switches by hand with the shell off it will run in the opposite direction, so the motor and switches appear to be ok. When I put the shell back on it will only run in one direction. I have found that both limit switches must be either open or closed to allow the motor to run. With only 1 limit switch closed the motor stops. For some reason the reversing bar is only closing one limit switch so the engine runs until you slide the bar to close the limit switches, then the motor stops. I can not find any way to adjust the position of the limit switches or the slide mechanism. No wonder no service man wants anything to do with this crap. So before I use this thing for target practice with my side-by-side 10 guage double barrel shotgun, does anyone have any idea how to adjust this dammmm thing?????? BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67017	From: Timboy	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > Ok - I'm back at it again with this piece of crap AFL handcar. Here's where I was: > > 1. The handcar failed to run in both directions right out of the box. > 2. The seller wouldn't take it back. > 3. Based on the date it was out of warranty. > > I have since taken it to three different Lionel shops in the Houston area and all have refused to even look at repairing it. They claim that Lionel has no replacement parts. > > So tonight I decided to tear it down myself. The worst I could do is - well it doesn't work, so I guess the worst I could do is nothing. I put some penetrating oil on the pin that attaches the handbar and was able to finally remove the pin. I took off the shell and can find no apparent problem. If I close both limit switches by hand with the shell off it will run in the opposite direction, so the motor and switches appear to be ok. When I put the shell back on it will only run in one direction. I have found that both limit switches must be either open or closed to allow the motor to run. With only 1 limit switch closed the motor stops. For some reason the reversing bar is only closing one limit switch so the engine runs until you slide the bar to close the limit switches, then the motor stops. I can not find any way to adjust the position of the limit switches or the slide mechanism. No wonder no service man wants anything to do with this crap. > > So before I use this thing for target practice with my side-by-side 10 guage double barrel shotgun, does anyone have any idea how to adjust this dammmm thing?????? > > BG1 > Dave, Set up a Lionel Junk Yard on your layout? :) :) :) :) -Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67018	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers

That brings up a question I've had for some time now; how does one go about installing Kadee couplers on AF equipment? Mark in Oregon --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > Kadee couplers look even nicer...... > Steve > > > In a message dated 12/9/2011 11:35:27 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > timstrains2000@... writes: > > > > > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , Larry > Asp <larry.asp@> wrote: > > > > A set of aluminum passenger cars I aquired were converted to knuckle > couplers. However - this added about 1/2 - 3/4" more space between the cars > and didnt look right. This happens on other cars as well - so you might want > to think a bit before converting. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67019	From: Larry Asp	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II

My brother had one of these - it lasted 15 minutes on the track going back and forth - then it quit. He put it on a shelf, and its been there ever since. 2 of his grandchildren were there - standing up to the train table - each using the palm of a hand for the car to bump into - thrilled to think they could make it go between them when the car bumped into their hands. They didnt do anything to the hand car that it wasnt designed to handle and enjoyed the fun it created, but when it broke down - these youngsters thought it was thier fault (it wasnt) - kinda turned them off. Fortunately there was lots of vintage Flyer stuff on his layout which the kids turned to and enjoyed interacting with - none of that stuff has ever broken down with them around. Another Flyonel piece they got a kick out of was Gabe the Lamplighter repro - it lasted longer than the hand car - maybe a year - then the electrical mechanism burnt out - melted in a couple of places - (and it wasnt the kids that were using it). Try finding the replacement parts for that - Took a while but we found one place on line - most of the usual suppliers don't have any left. Its great to see how much support has developed for repair parts for the vintage Flyer, Lionel and its easy enough tor many of us to repair on our own. - but for the new stuff - its not so easy. On 2011-12-10, at 10:59 AM, wjjim@... wrote: > Contact Mike Reagan at Lionel _mreagan@..._ > (mailto:mreagan@...) He'll tell you what your chances are. DO YOU wonder how many more > there are just like yours??? > > Jim Lyle > > > > > In a message dated 12/10/2011 7:57:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > bull_gator_1@... writes: > > Hi All, > > Ok - I'm back at it again with this piece of crap AFL handcar. Here's > where I was: > > 1. The handcar failed to run in both directions right out of the box. > 2. The seller wouldn't take it back. > 3. Based on the date it was out of warranty. > > I have since taken it to three different Lionel shops in the Houston area > and all have refused to even look at repairing it. They claim that Lionel > has no replacement parts. > > So tonight I decided to tear it down myself. The worst I could do is - > well it doesn't work, so I guess the worst I could do is nothing. I put some > penetrating oil on the pin that attaches the handbar and was able to > finally remove the pin. I took off the shell and can find no apparent problem. > If I close both limit switches by hand with the shell off it will run in > the opposite direction, so the motor and switches appear to be ok. When I > put the shell back on it will only run in one direction. I have found that > both limit switches must be either open or closed to allow the motor to > run. With only 1 limit switch closed the motor stops. For some reason the > reversing bar is only closing one limit switch so the engine runs until you > slide the bar to close the limit switches, then the motor stops. I can not > find any way to adjust the position of the limit switches or the slide > mechanism. No wonder no service man wants anything to do with this crap. > > So before I use this thing for target practice with my side-by-side 10 > guage double barrel shotgun, does anyone have any idea how to adjust this > dammmm thing?????? > > BG1 > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67020	From: David	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: ONE DAY INSULATOR SALE EXTENDED (advertisement)

We had some problems with our web site so we have extended our ONE DAY SALE FOR AF DRIVE WHEEL INNSULATORS until 12-12-2011. The site is up and running now at: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/AF-Parts.html Sorry about the confusion. Dave LBR Enterprises, llc 502-292-1872

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67021	From: Timboy	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: The Nosmo King Kar Lot

Flyer Nation: Nosmo King is having his grand opening today. Come join the fun!!!!!!! http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2011/12/nosmo-king-car-lot.html Regards, Timboy, A Bob-The-Builder Train Guy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67022	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: Promoting NASG 2012 Convention in Chattanooga at train shows

I went to a TCA train show here in Nashville this morning and placed high quality laser-print on photo paper promotions of the 2012 NASG Convention in Chattanooga. I enlarged the text and photo of the NC&StL convention box cars. With the enlargements, they were perfect for 11 by 14 signs. They really look great. I set out two versions of the signs. One was simply the first page you see on the website, just larger. The other one was simply the convention car enlarged further on 11 by 14 photo paper printed landscape. There was one of each sign placed at the registration table along with 30 sets of the registration and car order forms at the front table. I thought this was an ideal place to promote the convention for a couple of reasons. First, Nashville is within a little more than a two hour drive from Nashville. Second, the NC&StL Convention cars may get the attention of some of the local American Flyer guys since Nashville was the headquarters city of the NC&StL. I also talked up the convention to vendors who had American Flyer or other S gauge items for sale at their tables, and to a couple of tables that sell railroad books and things. I saw several local S gaugers and made sure all of them knew of the convention. These included NASG member Ron Hirst, Bob Iannacone, George Greenwood, Robert Rogers, and Raymond Siler from Chattanooga. I do not know if this will do a lot of good but I am trying. I hope some scalers will come out of the woodwork here in Nashville but the only other scaler I know in Nashville is Jim Sleeth. But if we can get some American Flyer guys to Chattanooga, they will at least get exposed to S scale along with the highrail. My 11 by 14 posters are in two WORD documents. Let me know if you would like for me to send these documents as email attachments so that you can use them to promote the convention at your local train shows. - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67023	From: Timboy	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Mugnai" <mugnai@...> wrote: > > That brings up a question I've had for some time now; how does one go about installing Kadee couplers on AF equipment? > > Mark in Oregon > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@ wrote: > > > > Kadee couplers look even nicer...... > > Steve > > > > > > In a message dated 12/9/2011 11:35:27 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > > timstrains2000@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , Larry > > Asp <larry.asp@> wrote: > > > > > > A set of aluminum passenger cars I aquired were converted to knuckle > > couplers. However - this added about 1/2 - 3/4" more space between the cars > > and didnt look right. This happens on other cars as well - so you might want > > to think a bit before converting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Mark, Once-upon-a-time, I converted my whole fleet to Kadee couplers. First I drilled the rivets out and removed all of the vintage trucks. Then I used small screws to mount S-Helper trucks onto the car chassis with bolsters I made out of Luan that were glued on to the chassis. I then mounted Kadee couplers onto the chassis and used thin balsa shims to get the height right. They looked and worked fantastic - especially with the S-Helper trucks that roll superbly. Unfortunately - to me - they lost their identity as American Flyer cars and I lost interest in them. I sold them all and started all over again with vintage cars that I will keep and run as vintage cars. For me, the moral of the story is, if I want rolling stock that looks like fine-scale stock, I'll just buy it new from S-Helper and keep my hands off my vintage Flyer stock - unless it's junk and then I'll Stumpy it up if I want. Regards, Timboy, The Been-There-And-Done-That Flyer Guy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67024	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: More from today's Nashville TCA Show

I returned to the TCA show to pick up the posters promoting the 2012 NASG convention. All of the sets of registration forms had been taken. Talked to several vendors, all reporting a really good day of sales. One had been selling American Flyer at this show for six years and he said this was by far his best sales day. So maybe the economy really is picking up. Also threw out the idea of hosting a Nashville area S day in late winter or early spring at my condo party room, which could house a couple of operating layouts, maybe one scale and one highrail. Anyone interested, please send me an email with contact information. - Earl Henry, Jr. Nashville, TN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67025	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II

David, Did you just buy this item? If so, did you pay by a credit card? If so, the seller refused to take care of it since it was broken? If so, you have a legitimate Credit card claim to have the charge removed. Mike From: bull_gator_1 Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 10:27 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AFL Handcar Part II Hi All, Ok - I'm back at it again with this piece of crap AFL handcar. Here's where I was: 1. The handcar failed to run in both directions right out of the box. 2. The seller wouldn't take it back. 3. Based on the date it was out of warranty. I have since taken it to three different Lionel shops in the Houston area and all have refused to even look at repairing it. They claim that Lionel has no replacement parts. So tonight I decided to tear it down myself. The worst I could do is - well it doesn't work, so I guess the worst I could do is nothing. I put some penetrating oil on the pin that attaches the handbar and was able to finally remove the pin. I took off the shell and can find no apparent problem. If I close both limit switches by hand with the shell off it will run in the opposite direction, so the motor and switches appear to be ok. When I put the shell back on it will only run in one direction. I have found that both limit switches must be either open or closed to allow the motor to run. With only 1 limit switch closed the motor stops. For some reason the reversing bar is only closing one limit switch so the engine runs until you slide the bar to close the limit switches, then the motor stops. I can not find any way to adjust the position of the limit switches or the slide mechanism. No wonder no service man wants anything to do with this crap. So before I use this thing for target practice with my side-by-side 10 guage double barrel shotgun, does anyone have any idea how to adjust this dammmm thing?????? BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67026	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: 2011 S Fest

Today the latest S Gaugian Magazine came and on the cover was selected highlights inside the magazine for articles in this edition. Linda saw the one highlight on the cover that mentioned the 2011 S Fest in St. Louis. That got Linda to comment that “To think, Albert Pujols left St. Louis!”. Not sure the connection, but okay, true he did. I guess he did not attend the S Fest is what Linda might be getting at. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67027	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/11/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday December 11, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 4 minutes. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67028	From: Lon Walker	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers

Hi Timboy,       I bought four of those cars but have yet to convert a tender and a caboose so I can run a train of them.  Thanks.   Lon Walker ________________________________ From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 3:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Couplers   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Mugnai" <mugnai@...> wrote: > > That brings up a question I've had for some time now; how does one go about installing Kadee couplers on AF equipment? > > Mark in Oregon > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@ wrote: > > > > Kadee couplers look even nicer...... > > Steve > > > > > > In a message dated 12/9/2011 11:35:27 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > > timstrains2000@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , Larry > > Asp <larry.asp@> wrote: > > > > > > A set of aluminum passenger cars I aquired were converted to knuckle > > couplers. However - this added about 1/2 - 3/4" more space between the cars > > and didnt look right. This happens on other cars as well - so you might want > > to think a bit before converting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Mark, Once-upon-a-time, I converted my whole fleet to Kadee couplers. First I drilled the rivets out and removed all of the vintage trucks. Then I used small screws to mount S-Helper trucks onto the car chassis with bolsters I made out of Luan that were glued on to the chassis. I then mounted Kadee couplers onto the chassis and used thin balsa shims to get the height right. They looked and worked fantastic - especially with the S-Helper trucks that roll superbly. Unfortunately - to me - they lost their identity as American Flyer cars and I lost interest in them. I sold them all and started all over again with vintage cars that I will keep and run as vintage cars. For me, the moral of the story is, if I want rolling stock that looks like fine-scale stock, I'll just buy it new from S-Helper and keep my hands off my vintage Flyer stock - unless it's junk and then I'll Stumpy it up if I want. Regards, Timboy, The Been-There-And-Done-That Flyer Guy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67029	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: Hand car issue

Why not just contact/ call Lionel direct ? If you bought it and the seller put as is, you are stuck with it. I would let everyone know who sold it to you. I still would call Lionel service techs. Sent from my iPhone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67030	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: Re: The Nosmo King Kar Lot

On 12/10/2011 11:48 AM, Timboy wrote: > Flyer Nation: > > Nosmo King is having his grand opening today. Come join the fun!!!!!!! > > http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2011/12/nosmo-king-car-lot.html Hm, I'll bet you have seen the movie "Used Cars" a time or two from the circus acts present. :-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67031	From: Timboy	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers

> Hi Lon, Were they the tankers, boxcars or pax cars? Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67032	From: Lon Walker	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers

Hi  Timboy,      They are MP 629 stock, NP 947 refridg. , GAEX 922 box and MKT 637 box. I bought them from a second party but was told they were from you.  Thanks. Lon ________________________________ From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 7:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Couplers   > Hi Lon, Were they the tankers, boxcars or pax cars? Regards, Timboy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67033	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/10/2011
Subject: Re: Hand car issue

Frank, Contacting Lionel direct is a joke, as I went around and around with “Scott” about my Lionel AF Erie Action car. talktous@... is how you can reach them. Mike From: Frank Emiro Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 6:58 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Hand car issue Why not just contact/ call Lionel direct ? If you bought it and the seller put as is, you are stuck with it. I would let everyone know who sold it to you. I still would call Lionel service techs. Sent from my iPhone [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67034	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Hand car issue

I only had issues with them if a product was out of warrantee. What a shame there has to be issues that they will not address. I did my contact with them over the phone, not on the Internet. Frank Sent from my iPhone On Dec 10, 2011, at 8:55 PM, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > Frank, > > Contacting Lionel direct is a joke, as I went around and around with “Scott” about my Lionel AF Erie Action car. > > talktous@... is how you can reach them. > > Mike > > From: Frank Emiro > Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 6:58 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Hand car issue > > Why not just contact/ call Lionel direct ? If you bought it and the seller put as is, you are stuck with it. I would let everyone know who sold it to you. > I still would call Lionel service techs. > > Sent from my iPhone > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67035	From: ron plyler	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Hand car issue

I also work in O gauge and buy many items from MTH.  I have returned items to them out of warranty and they were repaired and returned no charge.  If we could only get MTH to make S gauge.  Ron Plyler ________________________________ From: Frank Emiro <femiro2002@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Hand car issue   I only had issues with them if a product was out of warrantee. What a shame there has to be issues that they will not address. I did my contact with them over the phone, not on the Internet. Frank Sent from my iPhone On Dec 10, 2011, at 8:55 PM, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > Frank, > > Contacting Lionel direct is a joke, as I went around and around with “Scott” about my Lionel AF Erie Action car. > > talktous@... is how you can reach them. > > Mike > > From: Frank Emiro > Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 6:58 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Hand car issue > > Why not just contact/ call Lionel direct ? If you bought it and the seller put as is, you are stuck with it. I would let everyone know who sold it to you. > I still would call Lionel service techs. > > Sent from my iPhone > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67036	From: doerryn	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Another way of reversing -- improved circuits

Greetings. Back in the spring time I intrdocued my concept to use AC power to make a train go forward, and DC power to make it go in reverse. My first circuits used relays to switch the polarity of the field, but they had difficulty working at low speeds. Since then I've built and tested a number of circuits using Darlington Transistors and FETs. I also discovered that by adding another DPDT switch and simplifying the voltage detection circuit, I could have an engine work on a number of different layouts: AC only, DC only, and AC-DC. The engine will go in reverse on only one polarity of DC. This means that the same engine will work on a DC only layout (forward on one polarity, reverse on the other polarity), will work on a purely AC only layout (forward only -- unless manually set to reverse via switch on tender), and will work with the AC-DC controller (forward on AC and reverse with DC of the correct polarity). The circuit adds a DPDT switch to control which track polarity of DC voltage causes the train to go into reverse If you use the traditional rectifier on the field to convert an engine to DC, then you cannot go back to AC operation ... The engine will only run on DC. The AC-DC circuit will behave the same on DC (forward on one polarity, and reverse on the other polarity) and still work on AC layouts. I now have two preferred solutions. One is for engines with the tradational series field and armature windings. It rectifies the track voltage to DC, then switches the polarity of the field if necessary based on if DC of the correct polarity is detected. The other solution is for DC Can motors and ALCOs with two motors. This circuit again rectifies the track voltage to DC, then reverses the polarity if needed based on the DC detector. For the dual motor ALCOS, a rectifier is used on each motor to keep the polarity on the field windings constant. For more information, see section 5.8 on the following web page ... http://doerry.org/norbert/train/AF-Engine-Car-Mods.htm To see all my American flyer projects (and what's possible with a carpet layout), go to this link ... http://doerry.org/norbert/train/AFtrain.htm I've had my Christmas carpet layout up and running now for 2 weeks. The reversing units have been working well. Even the relay units that had a problem with going into reverse at low speeds are not causing any real problems in operation. If all goes well with the prototypes while the layout is up and running, I'm thinking about having circuit boards made up. (So far all the boards have been hand wired). I haven't designed or produced PC boards in many, many years, so this will be a relearning event. In the long run, I'm thinking about using Radio Control (perhaps even WIFI) to control the direction, and eventually the speed of the trains. The cost of these embedded controllers is rapidly coming. Have a great day, Norbert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67037	From: Carey Probst	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: The Nosmo King Kar Lot

Timboy, you are one sick puppy, and I mean that with the greatest respect. I am currently layoutless but when I find a place for the Pennsyltucky RR I hope I can include some of the whimsy you have even though it will be a combination of AF and scale. Carey Pennsyltucky RR Chief MicroFerroEquinologist Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 12/10/2011 1:48 PM, Timboy wrote: > > Flyer Nation: > > Nosmo King is having his grand opening today. Come join the fun!!!!!!! > > http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2011/12/nosmo-king-car-lot.html > > Regards, > Timboy, A Bob-The-Builder Train Guy > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67038	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers

Changing a whole fleet can be expensive and can harm collector value of the equipment (if you're so inclined.) That's not to say I wouldn't do it, but there IS an alternative from the distant past: Coupler Conversion Cars. You simply change the coupler on one end of a car to the other type. In this way you can use a link at one end and a knuckle at the other, or a knuckle at one end and a Kadee at the other. I've made up a few of these so that I can convert links to knuckles. I can continue to pull any cars with my knuckle equipped locos and trail the train with knuckle equipped cabooses that way. This is handy when I get something with links and want to run it for a while before working on it. It would also work for those guys who like the close coupling of link passenger cars but have knuckle locomotives; make the baggage car or combine a Coupler Conversion Car. I have tried and abandonned using Kadees because I feel that they are more hassle than they are worth for S Hi-rail, but I do use them in On30 which is "scale." Way back when I was a "youngster" struggling with HO, there were at least half a dozen popular coupler types, so if you operated with a club or bought different brands of kits, you had to have at least one Coupler Conversion Car for each type! Everyone had their favorites, and for some good reasons. When the NMRA came up with the horrendous x2f "standard" coupler, many guys refused to convert to it and kept what they were already using. Eventually, Kadee became the standard and that ended the need for special cars. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67039	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Hand car issue

I have done phone, internet and in person with my "Walking Brakeman" car. In most cases, parts are NOT made available for service issues, just enough to manufacture the item. Cuts costs of doing business WAY down. LIONEL is a MARKETING company, the word service appears NO WHERE in any thing they produce. The fact that we blindly buy more from them cements the fact that they can make anything they want, any way they want and sell it any way they want. I go back to my mentioning to a highly placed LIONEL guy ( Oct 12, 2012 ) that the end platforms, couplers and railings do NOT swing on "S" gauge diesels and the blank stare I got. He had NO idea. AND I guess the Chinese don't either, THEY design the stuff, not anyone at LIONEL. That was plain on this list within the last six weeks. The unfortunate fact is that the smaller "S" companies that cared for their customers have been forced out of the way, at least for the moment. Caveat Emptor. Jim "Merry Christmas from the Keystone Main" Lyle In a message dated 12/11/2011 7:30:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, femiro2002@... writes: I did my contact with them over the phone, not on the Internet. Frank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67040	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers

Hi all, I have posted pictures of four cars That I believe were converted to Kadee couplers by Timboy along with a close up of the details. Change the size to large and the details will be more visible. I got these on ebay from a second party. Thanks. Lon Walker http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1410464592/pic/859175785/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Lon Walker <wlon17@...> wrote: > > Hi  Timboy, > >      They are MP 629 stock, NP 947 refridg. , GAEX 922 box and MKT 637 box. I bought them from a second party but was told they were from you.  Thanks. Lon > > > > ________________________________ > From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 7:17 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Couplers > > >   > > > > Hi Lon, > > Were they the tankers, boxcars or pax cars? > > Regards, > Timboy > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67041	From: wjchadbourne	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Nashville trip

My wife and I are headed to Nashville for a week to spend Christmas with our daughter. Are there any special train events going on, or locations I should visit, or anyone I should visit with to enjoy our great hobby? We will be arriving on Dec. 20th and returning on Dec. 28th. Thanks for your suggestions Bud

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67042	From: Dave	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: METAL PM WHEELS (advertisement)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 67043	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers

Hi Stumpy, I have also used what you call conversion cars and this confirms what I was thinking late last night. I was going to convert a tender to Kadees so I could run a small train of the converted cars I have but all I have to do is use a conversion car at the front and leave the tender alone. That might ruin the look I am after for that train though. I know there is another name for this type of car. I just can't think of it right now. Thanks. Lon Walker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Changing a whole fleet can be expensive and can harm collector value of the equipment (if you're so inclined.) That's not to say I wouldn't do it, but there IS an alternative from the distant past: Coupler Conversion Cars. > You simply change the coupler on one end of a car to the other type. In this way you can use a link at one end and a knuckle at the other, or a knuckle at one end and a Kadee at the other. > I've made up a few of these so that I can convert links to knuckles. I can continue to pull any cars with my knuckle equipped locos and trail the train with knuckle equipped cabooses that way. This is handy when I get something with links and want to run it for a while before working on it. It would also work for those guys who like the close coupling of link passenger cars but have knuckle locomotives; make the baggage car or combine a Coupler Conversion Car. > I have tried and abandonned using Kadees because I feel that they are more hassle than they are worth for S Hi-rail, but I do use them in On30 which is "scale." > Way back when I was a "youngster" struggling with HO, there were at least half a dozen popular coupler types, so if you operated with a club or bought different brands of kits, you had to have at least one Coupler Conversion Car for each type! Everyone had their favorites, and for some good reasons. When the NMRA came up with the horrendous x2f "standard" coupler, many guys refused to convert to it and kept what they were already using. Eventually, Kadee became the standard and that ended the need for special cars. > Stumpy in Ahia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67044	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Hand car issue

When will those who buy Lionel S products stop? It seems nothing they make is any good now. American Models and S Helper will be back in full force hopefully in 2012 and to tell you, S Helper products are fully detailed like a real train either in engines or rolling stock. And so is AM products. Hopefully AM and SHS will start to produce more engines like Hudson's, etc.. My Erie Action car is with SnS right now and I hope the SHS trucks I had SHS send to Steve will do the trick. No more Lionel for me. Mike From: WJJIM@... Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 9:29 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Hand car issue I have done phone, internet and in person with my "Walking Brakeman" car. In most cases, parts are NOT made available for service issues, just enough to manufacture the item. Cuts costs of doing business WAY down. LIONEL is a MARKETING company, the word service appears NO WHERE in any thing they produce. The fact that we blindly buy more from them cements the fact that they can make anything they want, any way they want and sell it any way they want. I go back to my mentioning to a highly placed LIONEL guy ( Oct 12, 2012 ) that the end platforms, couplers and railings do NOT swing on "S" gauge diesels and the blank stare I got. He had NO idea. AND I guess the Chinese don't either, THEY design the stuff, not anyone at LIONEL. That was plain on this list within the last six weeks. The unfortunate fact is that the smaller "S" companies that cared for their customers have been forced out of the way, at least for the moment. Caveat Emptor. Jim "Merry Christmas from the Keystone Main" Lyle In a message dated 12/11/2011 7:30:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mailto:femiro2002%40yahoo.com writes: I did my contact with them over the phone, not on the Internet. Frank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67045	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: couplers? Link?

been up in the air to convert my truck from link to knuckle, but like the ideal of having couple of cars with both, that way dont have to modify older cars i get, both engines i purchase had link couplers broken, purchased some knucklers will make a tempory fix should purchased the link repair kits, ohh well i am still learning and will go on, really like all the imput everyone has given, the give and take helped me make up my mind tks all

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67046	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Nashville trip

Bud, thanks for your note. Where do you live? The only thing I can think of that is train-related in Nashville is the Garden Railroad at Cheekwood Mansion. It is supposed to be open through December 31. It is an outdoor G gauge layout with several trains running. Cheekwood is also the Tennessee Botanical Arts Center. Check out this link: _http://www.cheekwood.org/Art/Exhibitions.aspx_ (http://www.cheekwood.org/Art/Exhibitions.aspx) I doubt I am going to have any trains running this Christmas, but feel free to check back with me about December 26 or so. - Earl Henry, Jr. _www.earlhenrybirdprints.com_ (http://www.earlhenrybirdprints.com) In a message dated 12/11/2011 10:42:47 A.M. Central Standard Time, wjchadbourne@... writes: My wife and I are headed to Nashville for a week to spend Christmas with our daughter. Are there any special train events going on, or locations I should visit, or anyone I should visit with to enjoy our great hobby? We will be arriving on Dec. 20th and returning on Dec. 28th. Thanks for your suggestions Bud [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67047	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Nashville trip

Let me correct myself, Check back with me when you get to Nashville and I will let you know if I am going to get any trains out. - Earl Henry, Jr. _www.earlhenrybirdprints.com_ (http://www.earlhenrybirdprints.com) In a message dated 12/11/2011 10:42:47 A.M. Central Standard Time, wjchadbourne@... writes: My wife and I are headed to Nashville for a week to spend Christmas with our daughter. Are there any special train events going on, or locations I should visit, or anyone I should visit with to enjoy our great hobby? We will be arriving on Dec. 20th and returning on Dec. 28th. Thanks for your suggestions Bud [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67048	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers

Hi all, I have been prompted that transition car is the term I was looking for. I have a number of cars and tenders in several scales that can be used as transitions between different types of couplers. BTW I just learned from a video that in O scale A.F., the tab and slot and curlycue couplers will couple without a transition. Thanks. Lon Walker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "boxcar4willhe" <wlon17@...> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Stumpy, > > I have also used what you call conversion cars and this confirms what I was thinking late last night. I was going to convert a tender to Kadees so I could run a small train of the converted cars I have but all I have to do is use a conversion car at the front and leave the tender alone. That might ruin the look I am after for that train though. I know there is another name for this type of car. I just can't think of it right now. Thanks. Lon Walker > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@> wrote: > > > > Changing a whole fleet can be expensive and can harm collector value of the equipment (if you're so inclined.) That's not to say I wouldn't do it, but there IS an alternative from the distant past: Coupler Conversion Cars. > > You simply change the coupler on one end of a car to the other type. In this way you can use a link at one end and a knuckle at the other, or a knuckle at one end and a Kadee at the other. > > I've made up a few of these so that I can convert links to knuckles. I can continue to pull any cars with my knuckle equipped locos and trail the train with knuckle equipped cabooses that way. This is handy when I get something with links and want to run it for a while before working on it. It would also work for those guys who like the close coupling of link passenger cars but have knuckle locomotives; make the baggage car or combine a Coupler Conversion Car. > > I have tried and abandonned using Kadees because I feel that they are more hassle than they are worth for S Hi-rail, but I do use them in On30 which is "scale." > > Way back when I was a "youngster" struggling with HO, there were at least half a dozen popular coupler types, so if you operated with a club or bought different brands of kits, you had to have at least one Coupler Conversion Car for each type! Everyone had their favorites, and for some good reasons. When the NMRA came up with the horrendous x2f "standard" coupler, many guys refused to convert to it and kept what they were already using. Eventually, Kadee became the standard and that ended the need for special cars. > > Stumpy in Ahia > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67049	From: Timboy	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Another way of reversing -- improved circuits

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "doerryn" <doerry@...> wrote: > > Greetings. > > Back in the spring time I intrdocued my concept to use AC power to make a train go forward, and DC power to make it go in reverse. My first circuits used relays to switch the polarity of the field, but they had difficulty working at low speeds. Since then I've built and tested a number of circuits using Darlington Transistors and FETs. I also discovered that by adding another DPDT switch and simplifying the voltage detection circuit, I could have an engine work on a number of different layouts: AC only, DC only, and AC-DC. > > The engine will go in reverse on only one polarity of DC. This means that the same engine will work on a DC only layout (forward on one polarity, reverse on the other polarity), will work on a purely AC only layout (forward only -- unless manually set to reverse via switch on tender), and will work with the AC-DC controller (forward on AC and reverse with DC of the correct polarity). The circuit adds a DPDT switch to control which track polarity of DC voltage causes the train to go into reverse > > If you use the traditional rectifier on the field to convert an engine to DC, then you cannot go back to AC operation ... The engine will only run on DC. The AC-DC circuit will behave the same on DC (forward on one polarity, and reverse on the other polarity) and still work on AC layouts. > > I now have two preferred solutions. One is for engines with the tradational series field and armature windings. It rectifies the track voltage to DC, then switches the polarity of the field if necessary based on if DC of the correct polarity is detected. > > The other solution is for DC Can motors and ALCOs with two motors. This circuit again rectifies the track voltage to DC, then reverses the polarity if needed based on the DC detector. For the dual motor ALCOS, a rectifier is used on each motor to keep the polarity on the field windings constant. > > > > For more information, see section 5.8 on the following web page ... > > http://doerry.org/norbert/train/AF-Engine-Car-Mods.htm > > > To see all my American flyer projects (and what's possible with a carpet layout), go to this link ... > > http://doerry.org/norbert/train/AFtrain.htm > > I've had my Christmas carpet layout up and running now for 2 weeks. The reversing units have been working well. Even the relay units that had a problem with going into reverse at low speeds are not causing any real problems in operation. > > If all goes well with the prototypes while the layout is up and running, I'm thinking about having circuit boards made up. (So far all the boards have been hand wired). I haven't designed or produced PC boards in many, many years, so this will be a relearning event. > > In the long run, I'm thinking about using Radio Control (perhaps even WIFI) to control the direction, and eventually the speed of the trains. The cost of these embedded controllers is rapidly coming. > > Have a great day, > > Norbert > Hi Norbert, Thank you for posting links to your site. IMHO, you don't get nearly enough mention on this Forum and I believe I know why. Since May, you have only made two posts! I'm not saying that you should flood this Forum with trivia like some of us do, but you have a tremendous amount of knowledge and I believe you can be a huge inspiration. To that end, I have included a link to your site from my blog and I want to further encourage you to take the time to show and tell more. When this Forum makes a run on Lionel or eBay, it's too easy to miss an important post like yours. Glad I saw it. I'll go back to your site again and again to savor a succulent sample of select circuits. Thanks again! -Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67050	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Light bulbs

http://njinternational.com/ On my layout I have signals from NJ International which are great, really in detail design, as I have these in S. they also makes these in O, HO and N. My lighting in my train room is fluorescent lights, as I do have UV filters on the bulbs. The signals work when the light sensors in the track get covered over by a passing train. There are 2 sensors before and 2 after the roadway crossing. With the fluorescent lights, the first sensor will not work, only the second sensor will, as that is right by the crossing, as it acts as the end sensor for the other direction when a train clears it, for the cross arms to rise up and lights stop blinking. Paul of TDP, who makes the servos for the signals told me I needed to put a incandescent light in the room to warm up the lighting. And that worked. Now these bulbs are being discontinued starting in January with 100w bulbs and all the bulbs will be stopped by 2013. I emailed NJI about this and they said a light is a light meaning that any light will work with these signals. Yes, but not correctly according to my experience. I went back and forth with NJI on this, as I wanted to know if they are going to make a sensor that works with fluorescent lighting better. No comment. So, I went out today to Home Depot and got 24 bulbs, as I hope that will last the rest of my life!!!!! I think people who have NJI signals, need to do the same, as they will be burn in time. I did try the new type of bulb and they do not work with the signals correctly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT9QVcn_w00 the signals in action. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67051	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers

That's kind of what I thought; you have to dump the trucks, and basically start all over. In which case, as you say, you might as well start with a "real" looking car and add KD's to that......... Thanks for the input. Mark in Oregon --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Mugnai" <mugnai@> wrote: > > > > That brings up a question I've had for some time now; how does one go about installing Kadee couplers on AF equipment? > > > > Mark in Oregon > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@ wrote: > > > > > > Kadee couplers look even nicer...... > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 12/9/2011 11:35:27 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > > > timstrains2000@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , Larry > > > Asp <larry.asp@> wrote: > > > > > > > > A set of aluminum passenger cars I aquired were converted to knuckle > > > couplers. However - this added about 1/2 - 3/4" more space between the cars > > > and didnt look right. This happens on other cars as well - so you might want > > > to think a bit before converting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Mark, > > Once-upon-a-time, I converted my whole fleet to Kadee couplers. First I drilled the rivets out and removed all of the vintage trucks. Then I used small screws to mount S-Helper trucks onto the car chassis with bolsters I made out of Luan that were glued on to the chassis. I then mounted Kadee couplers onto the chassis and used thin balsa shims to get the height right. They looked and worked fantastic - especially with the S-Helper trucks that roll superbly. Unfortunately - to me - they lost their identity as American Flyer cars and I lost interest in them. I sold them all and started all over again with vintage cars that I will keep and run as vintage cars. For me, the moral of the story is, if I want rolling stock that looks like fine-scale stock, I'll just buy it new from S-Helper and keep my hands off my vintage Flyer stock - unless it's junk and then I'll Stumpy it up if I want. > > Regards, > Timboy, The Been-There-And-Done-That Flyer Guy >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67052	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/11/2011, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 67053	From: Eric	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: For sale items:

I still have engines I am selling for a friend. 1. Lionel Flyer Mikado, new in the box with the shipping sleeve. $440.00 includes shipping to USA These were $529 or more new. 2. American models Union pacific E8 pair of engines, AC powered, high rail, sound, both powered $320 shipping included to USA. Includes box, etc. These are now $499 a set new. If interested I can send Pictures. Make me an offer. Paypal or checks (clearance delay) work. Eric Reis Kenmore, Washington. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67054	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers

<< ...I know there is another name for this type of car. I just can't think of it right now. Thanks. Lon Walker >> An idler car? Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67055	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Domino Hopper

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120823839453&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123 Wow, a nice price for this boxed Domino mint or near mint hopper, as I got one, mint, near mint with the box, as not many had a box with it. I got mine at the Toy Train Station in Feasterville, PA in 1993 for 500. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67056	From: Joseph H	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II

David, I had the same problem with the handcar on our ACSG Super 8 layout. Basically it is designed obselescence. The little plastic mind on the reversing gear wear and no longer are high enough to engage the micro switch. So, you have to bend the micro switch down slightly. Joe --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@...> wrote: > > Hi All, > > Ok - I'm back at it again with this piece of crap AFL handcar. Here's where I was: > > 1. The handcar failed to run in both directions right out of the box. > 2. The seller wouldn't take it back. > 3. Based on the date it was out of warranty. > > I have since taken it to three different Lionel shops in the Houston area and all have refused to even look at repairing it. They claim that Lionel has no replacement parts. > > So tonight I decided to tear it down myself. The worst I could do is - well it doesn't work, so I guess the worst I could do is nothing. I put some penetrating oil on the pin that attaches the handbar and was able to finally remove the pin. I took off the shell and can find no apparent problem. If I close both limit switches by hand with the shell off it will run in the opposite direction, so the motor and switches appear to be ok. When I put the shell back on it will only run in one direction. I have found that both limit switches must be either open or closed to allow the motor to run. With only 1 limit switch closed the motor stops. For some reason the reversing bar is only closing one limit switch so the engine runs until you slide the bar to close the limit switches, then the motor stops. I can not find any way to adjust the position of the limit switches or the slide mechanism. No wonder no service man wants anything to do with this crap. > > So before I use this thing for target practice with my side-by-side 10 guage double barrel shotgun, does anyone have any idea how to adjust this dammmm thing?????? > > BG1 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67057	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Nashville trip

Hi Bud, I was last in Nashville fpr Christmas 2009. The only train shop that carried "S" was wiped out in the flood earlier in 2009. I understand everything in the store was flooded. He had several shelfs of American Flyer and a "S" loop on his layout. What a shame it all got destroyed. There were a couple of other train stores open, but mention "S" and all you get is a blank stare. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wjchadbourne" <wjchadbourne@...> wrote: > > My wife and I are headed to Nashville for a week to spend Christmas with our daughter. Are there any special train events going on, or locations I should visit, or anyone I should visit with to enjoy our great hobby? > We will be arriving on Dec. 20th and returning on Dec. 28th. > Thanks for your suggestions > Bud >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67058	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: Nashville trip

Hi Bud, I forgot to mention it, but I understand there is an operating layout in the old depot in Clarksville, TN. That's about 1/2 hour north of Nashville. I haven't been there but my son has and said it is pretty nice. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "wjchadbourne" <wjchadbourne@...> wrote: > > My wife and I are headed to Nashville for a week to spend Christmas with our daughter. Are there any special train events going on, or locations I should visit, or anyone I should visit with to enjoy our great hobby? > We will be arriving on Dec. 20th and returning on Dec. 28th. > Thanks for your suggestions > Bud >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67059	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II

Hi Joe, I don't remember talking with you since I moved to Houston from Atlanta. I was thinking about gluing a flat peice of toothpick to the bottom of the "arms" on the limit switches to make sure the slider activates them. I'll post some photos of the before and after. David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph H" <joestrainrepair@...> wrote: > > > David, > > I had the same problem with the handcar on our ACSG Super 8 layout. Basically it is designed obselescence. The little plastic mind on the reversing gear wear and no longer are high enough to engage the micro switch. So, you have to bend the micro switch down slightly. > > Joe > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "bull_gator_1" <bull_gator_1@> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > Ok - I'm back at it again with this piece of crap AFL handcar. Here's where I was: > > > > 1. The handcar failed to run in both directions right out of the box. > > 2. The seller wouldn't take it back. > > 3. Based on the date it was out of warranty. > > > > I have since taken it to three different Lionel shops in the Houston area and all have refused to even look at repairing it. They claim that Lionel has no replacement parts. > > > > So tonight I decided to tear it down myself. The worst I could do is - well it doesn't work, so I guess the worst I could do is nothing. I put some penetrating oil on the pin that attaches the handbar and was able to finally remove the pin. I took off the shell and can find no apparent problem. If I close both limit switches by hand with the shell off it will run in the opposite direction, so the motor and switches appear to be ok. When I put the shell back on it will only run in one direction. I have found that both limit switches must be either open or closed to allow the motor to run. With only 1 limit switch closed the motor stops. For some reason the reversing bar is only closing one limit switch so the engine runs until you slide the bar to close the limit switches, then the motor stops. I can not find any way to adjust the position of the limit switches or the slide mechanism. No wonder no service man wants anything to do with this crap. > > > > So before I use this thing for target practice with my side-by-side 10 guage double barrel shotgun, does anyone have any idea how to adjust this dammmm thing?????? > > > > BG1 > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67060	From: Jens	Date: 12/11/2011
Subject: FS Lionel Gilbert American Flyer Trains Signals NEW in BOX

FS Lionel Gilbert American Flyer Trains Signals NEW in BOX Gentleman, I have to sell: Lionel Gilbert American Flyer Trains 3/16 Scale/O-Gauge #582 Blinking Signal (6-49832) $25 Lionel Gilbert American Flyer Trains 3/16 Scale/O-Gauge #587 Block Signal (6-49833) $25 All items + shipping, contact me for pictures if you need. Item are brand new, boxes do have minor wear from storage. I ship USPS I am located in LA I prefere Moneyorder, Bank Transfer or Check but take also Paypal etc. Thanks Jens Kinne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67061	From: johntech	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Looking for springs

I have a Casey Jones chassis that still runs but I am missing one of the springs that hold the brushes in place. Does anyone have a junker that can spare a couple of springs? Thanks John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67062	From: Timboy	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Lon Walker <wlon17@...> wrote: > > Hi  Timboy, > >      They are MP 629 stock, NP 947 refridg. , GAEX 922 box and MKT 637 box. I bought them from a second party but was told they were from you.  Thanks. Lon > > > > ________________________________ > From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 7:17 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Couplers > > >   > > > > Hi Lon, > > Were they the tankers, boxcars or pax cars? > > Regards, > Timboy > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Lon, Interesting to know where some of my stuff has gone. I hand-painted that Katy back to classic. I had a fleet of them once that were all hand-painted by me. There are other ways to convert vintage cars into Kadee coupler cars, but that is what I developed a few years ago. I hope you can run them soon! Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67063	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Re: Couplers

Brady and all; An "idler Car" was a car used between the locomotive and various cars for switching in unusual circumstances. You might use an "idler" when using a standard guage loco to switch narrow gauge cars on daul gauge track. Or you would use one or more "idlers" to switch cars onto a barge or onto a bridge or track where the locomotive's weight was too great for it to go. They were used in industrial situations where the cars had to go into low clearance sructures, such as brick or timber kilns. Idler cars are still used to move hot metal cars around the local steel mill because of the extreme heat and splashing molten metal. Most "idler cars" were basically flat cars, sometimes weighted to keep them on the track reliably between a loco and heavily loaded cars. Gondola cars were also pressed into service for this use. Often "idler cars" were older cars, long past being used in revenue service, and generally got minimmal maintenance. Like "Scale Test Cars" these are rarely modeled in the mainstream. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67064	From: piccu56	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Re: Looking for springs

Just buy new ones and replace both to ensure a proper repair. Port Lines sells them $1.50 per pair. Part number PA16A380 Dave --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "johntech" <beebear@...> wrote: > > I have a Casey Jones chassis that still runs but I am missing one of the springs that hold the brushes in place. > Does anyone have a junker that can spare a couple of springs? > > Thanks > > John > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67065	From: Dave	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: METAL WHEEL 3 Day Sale (advertisement)

"3 DAY SALE 12-12-2011 Thru 12-15-2011" On our NEWEST AF PARTS ITEM #LBRPM01-01-2012-4 Metal Electrical Pick Up Wheels for pre-1966 AF tenders & action cars. Reg. $12.50 set. SALE PRICE: $9.50 set. STOCK UP NOW and save $3.00 per set. Use the link below to view this 3 day sale item. VIEW SALE: http://www.ebay.com/itm/290645686326?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises,llc 502-292-1872

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67066	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Re: FS Lionel Gilbert American Flyer Trains Signals NEW in BOX

Hi Jens, Which "LA" are you located in? "LA" = Los Angeles "LA" = Lousianna "LA" = lower Alabama BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jens" <oneto87@...> wrote: > > FS Lionel Gilbert American Flyer Trains Signals NEW in BOX > > > > Gentleman, > > > > I have to sell: > > > > Lionel Gilbert American Flyer Trains 3/16 Scale/O-Gauge #582 Blinking Signal (6-49832) $25 > > Lionel Gilbert American Flyer Trains 3/16 Scale/O-Gauge #587 Block Signal (6-49833) $25 > > > > All items + shipping, contact me for pictures if you need. > > > > Item are brand new, boxes do have minor wear from storage. > > > > I ship USPS > > > > I am located in LA > > > > I prefere Moneyorder, Bank Transfer or Check but take also Paypal etc. > > Thanks > > Jens Kinne >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67067	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: help

HELP!!!!!!!!!!! U all didn't tell me this would happen, my wife is mad at me wants to know why I dont clean the house as good as I clean my engines! 301 is running dont know how long the superglue will hold but it run nice for now.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67068	From: R G	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Re: Looking for springs

Check with Doug at Port Line Hobbies he should have the part you need! ________________________________ From: johntech <beebear@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 4:35 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Looking for springs   I have a Casey Jones chassis that still runs but I am missing one of the springs that hold the brushes in place. Does anyone have a junker that can spare a couple of springs? Thanks John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67069	From: DarylO	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Chassis removal

I've got a 21168 "Casey Jones" where I need to remove the chassis for some motor work. Anybody ever come up with a good way of removing the chassis without busting the shell? For some reason this one seems more difficult to remove than other ones I have worked on. Daryl

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67070	From: Carey Probst	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Re: help

Tell her cleaning the house is women's work and maybe she'll 'allow' you to sleep in the train room from now on. That way you can get more done on the trains without the distractions. C Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 12/12/2011 8:47 AM, Jimbo wrote: > > HELP!!!!!!!!!!! U all didn't tell me this would happen, my wife is mad > at me wants to know why I dont clean the house as good as I clean my > engines! 301 is running dont know how long the superglue will hold but > it run nice for now. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67071	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Re: Hand car issue

Hmm... If the Chinese design the stuff, why do they need Lionel at all? Why not just design and market it directly to us? The Lionel name has a devoted following for sure, but a Chinese version of MTH would probably do OK. Regarding the manufacturing of extra parts: In my very limited experience at producing several products that required multiple pieces, once the molds and work flow were set, each additional part became less expensive to produce. That is especially true in the printing business, wherein 1,000 books, for instance might cost 3~4x as much PER BOOK than if 10,000 were produced. Maybe Lionel¹s business model is somehow different. Don Thompson, et al, can better voice an opinion on this. Roy From: <WJJIM@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 09:29:31 -0500 (EST) To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Hand car issue I have done phone, internet and in person with my "Walking Brakeman" car. In most cases, parts are NOT made available for service issues, just enough to manufacture the item. Cuts costs of doing business WAY down. LIONEL is a MARKETING company, the word service appears NO WHERE in any thing they produce. The fact that we blindly buy more from them cements the fact that they can make anything they want, any way they want and sell it any way they want. I go back to my mentioning to a highly placed LIONEL guy ( Oct 12, 2012 ) that the end platforms, couplers and railings do NOT swing on "S" gauge diesels and the blank stare I got. He had NO idea. AND I guess the Chinese don't either, THEY design the stuff, not anyone at LIONEL. That was plain on this list within the last six weeks. The unfortunate fact is that the smaller "S" companies that cared for their customers have been forced out of the way, at least for the moment. Caveat Emptor. Jim "Merry Christmas from the Keystone Main" Lyle In a message dated 12/11/2011 7:30:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, femiro2002@... <mailto:femiro2002%40yahoo.com> writes: I did my contact with them over the phone, not on the Internet. Frank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67072	From: piccu56	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Re: Chassis removal

There is no easy way. It always seems like the shell is going to snap at any moment. I just slowly get the front tabs out then work on one of the back ones and eventually it will pop out. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "DarylO" <jaytewilli@...> wrote: > > I've got a 21168 "Casey Jones" where I need to remove the chassis for some motor work. Anybody ever come up with a good way of removing the chassis without busting the shell? For some reason this one seems more difficult to remove than other ones I have worked on. > > Daryl >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67073	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Hand car issue (now;China)

Roy and all: The Chinese sure had no problem many years ago ripping off Chrysler Corporation in the late seventies! They were one of the first American auto makers to try setting up manufacturing in China. They built a Jeep plant as this was seen as a good vehicle for the market as it then was. As I recall, the government "urged" Iaccoca (spelling) to do it to help the Chinese. Within a year there was a duplicate of the Jeep being sold in China! I mean an EXACT replica of the Chrysler Jeep! All they did was badge it as a "Wang" or something. Obviously Chrysler cried foul! After some negotiations, involving both governments, Chrysler sold the real Jeep plant to the Chinese as it was now virtually worthless. It was big news in all the car magazines at the time. And this is but one of thousands of things they have done, including stealing defense technologies form us. You make a point when you say "why do they need Lionel?" At first glance, they don't. But it's not that simple for them to work a foreign market. Lionel provides name recognition in America for one thing. Distribution for another. And someone else to take the financial risk as well. Why should they risk their own cash when they can get an American outfit to do that for them? Many of you know that I have little love for corporate thieves, no matter who or where they are. In my opinion, as long as you let someone keep stealing from you, they will never stop stealing from you. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67074	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II

Re: AFL Handcar Part II I've owned the first issue Lionel AF handcar for about 5 years and has been run quite a bit. It has been generally dependable, but the reversing slider switch did become problematic after several years. I fixed mine by placing a thin washer as a shim between the shell and the chassis on one end of the car. This simple fix made the dependability of the slider contacts perfect on mine. A friend has one, as well, and it has been OK so far. Keeping the wheels clean and free of oil is very important with the little motorized units -- more so than with locomotives. Hopefully, a helpful suggestion. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67075	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Re: Hand car issue

Some years ago LIONEL repro'ed their Standard Gauge trolleys. NTTM ran them until they quit. Biggest issue was LIONEL used the Original motor design, which wasn't all that good when originally made. When the then E & M Chair, Gary Lavinus, approached LIONEL for repair parts because the trolleys were very popular, he was told they were NOT a "Parts House" and NOT to expect to get parts ( I KNOW who told him that, too ) We didn't get them, trolleys are now "shelf monkeys". Many times over the years that I worked in the shop, shells, motors, etc simply were not available. Remember when A/F GP diesel shells regularly melted beside the can motor??? Still have twisted shells that could not/ would not be replaced. I showed the "Cereal Lady" how to fix that issue, don't know if they ever did it. Don't buy or run the Flyonel diesels. Run SHS & A-M. As long as we continuously buy the stuff and shelve it when it breaks in a week instead of trying to get a remedy, that will work for them. There is also probably a Federal law stating that merchandise made out of the country does not have to have the same parts support as merchandise made in this country. I have heard of this, cannot cite it. The local amusement park, part of a large chain, buys all Italian rides, for instance, because of liability laws. The Chinese do not have the name to work with, which seems to be the only real asset LIONEL has going for it. This happened to SGL some years ago, their Korean maker over ran ALL of the parts of their scale READING steamers and passenger cars, then offered the engines & cars at a greatly reduced price. Buyers jumped on the deal, few of the engines worked, the buyers THEN tried to get SGL to remedy the situation. SGL refused, because they had NO connection to the engines, the buyers lost, the sellers disappeared. Seems SGL handled all of the sales themselves, they knew who bought what from them. The worst of all of this seems to be that we, as buyers, expect far more from every other manufacturer THAN we do of LIONEL. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/12/2011 12:58:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rinphoto@... writes: Hmm... If the Chinese design the stuff, why do they need Lionel at all? Why not just design and market it directly to us? The Lionel name has a devoted following for sure, but a Chinese version of MTH would probably do OK. Regarding the manufacturing of extra parts: In my very limited experience at producing several products that required multiple pieces, once the molds and work flow were set, each additional part became less expensive to produce. That is especially true in the printing business, wherein 1,000 books, for instance might cost 3~4x as much PER BOOK than if 10,000 were produced. Maybe Lionel¹s business model is somehow different. Don Thompson, et al, can better voice an opinion on this. Roy From: <WJJIM@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 09:29:31 -0500 (EST) To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Hand car issue I have done phone, internet and in person with my "Walking Brakeman" car. In most cases, parts are NOT made available for service issues, just enough to manufacture the item. Cuts costs of doing business WAY down. LIONEL is a MARKETING company, the word service appears NO WHERE in any thing they produce. The fact that we blindly buy more from them cements the fact that they can make anything they want, any way they want and sell it any way they want. I go back to my mentioning to a highly placed LIONEL guy ( Oct 12, 2012 ) that the end platforms, couplers and railings do NOT swing on "S" gauge diesels and the blank stare I got. He had NO idea. AND I guess the Chinese don't either, THEY design the stuff, not anyone at LIONEL. That was plain on this list within the last six weeks. The unfortunate fact is that the smaller "S" companies that cared for their customers have been forced out of the way, at least for the moment. Caveat Emptor. Jim "Merry Christmas from the Keystone Main" Lyle In a message dated 12/11/2011 7:30:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, femiro2002@... <mailto:femiro2002%40yahoo.com> writes: I did my contact with them over the phone, not on the Internet. Frank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67076	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Re: Chassis removal

Yeah, I agree. I do have the both front tabs out and one of the rear, but I can't get enough "swing" on the remaining tab to get it to "pop" out. I'll keep playing with it. Thanks for the response. On 12/12/2011 2:48 PM, piccu56 wrote: > > There is no easy way. It always seems like the shell is going to snap > at any moment. I just slowly get the front tabs out then work on one > of the back ones and eventually it will pop out. > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>, > "DarylO" <jaytewilli@...> wrote: > > > > I've got a 21168 "Casey Jones" where I need to remove the chassis > for some motor work. Anybody ever come up with a good way of removing > the chassis without busting the shell? For some reason this one seems > more difficult to remove than other ones I have worked on. > > > > Daryl > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67077	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Re: help

Sorry not so about the house work. I can give you lessons in house cleaning. I think if Jim would tell her that, he might be in real big trouble in the train room. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Carey Probst Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:03 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] help Tell her cleaning the house is women's work and maybe she'll 'allow' you to sleep in the train room from now on. That way you can get more done on the trains without the distractions. C Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 12/12/2011 8:47 AM, Jimbo wrote: > > HELP!!!!!!!!!!! U all didn't tell me this would happen, my wife is mad > at me wants to know why I dont clean the house as good as I clean my > engines! 301 is running dont know how long the superglue will hold but > it run nice for now. > > ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67078	From: Al Baker	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Got my Challenger !

Today I received my new Challenger (UP 3985). It looks great! It runs great! It sounds great! It smokes great! I'm not taking sides, just stating the facts (so far!). I really love it. I'm just running with an old Flyer transformer on old Flyer track. No problem! Of my 4 Lionel locomotives, it is definitely the best: #1 Challenger #2 Mikado (PRR) #3 Northern #4 Baldwin I rate #1 & #2 as exceptional models. Al Baker Portland, OR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67079	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: wicked wick

found out on my 283 that the wick is bad, wires broken off, i have the replacement smoke ele. and wick ass. to put in, is there any secrets to getting it installed, I am worried about breaking the wire when i resolder it in place, just dont like the way they show it, just seems to fragile any ideal are up grades to make it stronger? How diffcult to get the wick threaded, it is a front smoker.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67080	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/12/2011
Subject: Re: Got my Challenger !

Terrific! Glad yours is #1 with you. Challengers reportedly own up to expectations best in conventional mode, second best in TMCC mode (particulalry if you turn Odyssey off), and least well in Legacy mode. I received two duds. One wouldn't run -- just blew fuses, and the other's trailing truck stud, spacer, and spring were broken off so I never got to test it. Since I run Legacy I am now going to sit this out awhile until it is known whether Lionel is going to do anything about Challenger Legacy operational shortcomings or not. At least in the meantime, and so far, my Big Boy is great fun to run in Legacy mode.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67081	From: aztecfan	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: This would be a fun layout for the kids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo5VYpBE0KE&feature=related

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67082	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Re: wicked wick

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 67083	From: Ray Cook	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Re: Hand car issue (now;China)

Stumpy,     I think that was more recently than that. Jeep in the '70's was an arm of American Motors. Chrysler bought AMC in (I think) 1986. The Cherokee in those years used GM driveline parts... ever see one with a Chevy 2.8 V6? That's what they were engineered for, and why the later straight 6 was such a tight fit. My dad had a Rambler; I wanna say it was a '66, and he said there were 6 entirely different straight 6 engines available in that car. Imagine how much harder Lionel parts would be to get if their hand cars had 6 different drive mechanisms....                                                                                                             Ray Cook    Irwin, Pennsylvanyuh   ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 4:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Hand car issue (now;China) Roy and all: The Chinese sure had no problem many years ago ripping off Chrysler Corporation in the late seventies!  They were one of the first American auto makers to try setting up manufacturing in China.  They built a Jeep plant as this was seen as a good vehicle for the market as it then was.  As I recall, the government "urged" Iaccoca (spelling) to do it to help the Chinese. Within a year there was a duplicate of the Jeep being sold in China!  I mean an EXACT replica of the Chrysler Jeep!  All they did was badge it as a "Wang" or something. Obviously Chrysler cried foul!  After some negotiations, involving both governments, Chrysler sold the real Jeep plant to the Chinese as it was now virtually worthless.  It was big news in all the car magazines at the time. And this is but one of thousands of things they have done, including stealing defense technologies form us. You make a point when you say "why do they need Lionel?"  At first glance, they don't.  But it's not that simple for them to work a foreign market.  Lionel provides name recognition in America for one thing. Distribution for another.  And someone else to take the financial risk as well.  Why should they risk their own cash when they can get an American outfit to do that for them? Many of you know that I have little love for corporate thieves, no matter who or where they are.  In my opinion, as long as you let someone keep stealing from you, they will never stop stealing from you. Stumpy in Ahia ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67084	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Challenger

I got my Challenger (grey with ears) last week, oiled the axles, inserted the Legacy module, and away she went. It has been running perfectly ever since, about 2 hours an evening at he ACSG train show in Kannapolis, NC. It did take a little while to get used to the new sequence for setting smoke output (Aux1, Aux2, L M or H, Aux 2), but everthing else seems just fine. We even were running it with a Big Boy on the same trackage.   Joe Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.#########################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.######################.American Flyer Parts Dealer ###################Authorized Lionel Service Center################### ............Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,300 part numbers............ American Models.###.DesPlaines Hobbies.###.S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@....#####XX######.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67085	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Got my Challenger

I'm just running with an old Flyer transformer on old Flyer track. No problem! As long as one runs the new Challengers conventionally and that mode is the extent of a customer's expectations, one will be OK. By all means, enjoy! However, most, if not all, of these engines have speed control problems with either TMCC (Cab-1) or Legacy when Odyssey II cruise control is "on". Turning Odyssey "off" and/or running in conventional mode bypasses the troublesome section of the circuitry (and a costly part of what one paid for). According to Lionel Ohio, part of the control code is in error and, consequently, the board encoding is flawed. Frankly, I am waiting for what might be a more complete explanation for the issues in this new engine. A lesser goof is that the brake squeal was not recorded into the RS chip. A good friend in California called me last night to tell me his tale of woe of his sample, in which the sounds appear to have failed. There have been a troublesome number of reports of problems and poor QC with the Challengers. A beautiful, but flawed piece. Sad. Very sad, indeed. Bob Bubeck [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67086	From: tbennerohio	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Re: wicked wick

You CAN twist the ends of the wick and get it threaded through the holes but it takes some patience. Be sure to wet the ends with some smoke fluid first. To make that job much easier I highly recommend the smoke wick tool from Portlines. It is inexpensive and has saved me much cursing. Good luck! Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio > How diffcult to get the wick threaded, it is a front smoker. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67087	From: Ray Puls	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Got my Challenger

Hello to the group, I have also received my Challenger and it is very well done as you look at it as a model, its beautiful to look at. Mine runs OK, it is the 3977 the greyhound, but it is not as responsive as the Big Boy which I also own. The Big Boy will creep down the rails but the Challenger does not start or stop as smoothly as the 4014. I have tried adjusting by setting the stall but to no avail, it goes from stopped to maybe 10 mph and stops the same way. Kinda makes me wish I had two Big Boys. I own quite a few of the Flyonel engines and rolling stock and this is my first disappointment from Lionel. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67088	From: sgaugian	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Re: Challenger

Joe, Glad to hear you're happy with your Challenger. You said you loaded the orange module which would infer the use of Legacy and a Cab2 conroller, but the smoke control sequence you mentioned is similar to that used with a Big Boy when running it with TMCC. Which system did you run the Challenger with at the show -- Legacy or TMCC? If Legacy, why did you have to resort to that set of steps? Does the smoke volume control icon on the Cab2 not work? Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67089	From: Al Baker	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: AFL Challenger & Northern brake squeal

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@... wrote: A lesser goof is that the brake squeal was not recorded into the RS chip. > Bob Bubeck Yes, I noticed there apparently was no brake squeal on the Challenger. However, my Northern seems to be squealing all the time - on every slight slow-down. It is very distracting - my Mikado doesn't squeal either. Can I somehow shut the squealing off on the Northern??? I have thought about getting a different sound board for it. Al Baker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67090	From: rick gough	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Re: wicked wick

You can also drill out the wick holes a fair amount bigger. This allows for very easy wick feed thru and perhaps easier fluid travel to the burner. rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67091	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Sounds, sounds and more sounds???

Hi All, I have heard a lot of talk about the various sounds that the Mikados, Northerns and Challengers make in Legacy and TMCC mode. I don't have a clue what you guys are talking about. No hobby shop in this area carries "S" much less have any samples running. Could one of you make a video showing off these sound effects and post it to YouTube for those of us who either don't have these locomotives or don't use the fancy control systems? It might make some of us "KISS" guys consider making a change. If any Big L employees are lurking on the site here's a chance for you to show us what you've got. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67092	From: R G	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Challenger & Northern brake squeal

I agree with you Al.  I was running both the Gray Northern and Gray Challenger the other night and the Brake squeel is quite annoying on the Northern as it slows when going aroung a curve!  I don't miss it at all on the Challenger! ________________________________ From: Al Baker <albaker33@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 3:16 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AFL Challenger & Northern brake squeal   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, rbubeck327@... wrote: A lesser goof is that the brake squeal was not recorded into the RS chip. > Bob Bubeck Yes, I noticed there apparently was no brake squeal on the Challenger. However, my Northern seems to be squealing all the time - on every slight slow-down. It is very distracting - my Mikado doesn't squeal either. Can I somehow shut the squealing off on the Northern??? I have thought about getting a different sound board for it. Al Baker [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67093	From: Dave	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: "FICUS BRAND" Bulkheads Photo (advertisement)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 67094	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Re: Sounds, sounds and more sounds???

BG, I have many videos on my YouTube pages of Lionel's S locos and other S locos at: http://www.youtube.com/user/carl4flyer They do not have the CrewTalk playing though. Carl: -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of bull_gator_1 Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:06 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Sounds, sounds and more sounds??? Hi All, I have heard a lot of talk about the various sounds that the Mikados, Northerns and Challengers make in Legacy and TMCC mode. I don't have a clue what you guys are talking about. No hobby shop in this area carries "S" much less have any samples running. Could one of you make a video showing off these sound effects and post it to YouTube for those of us who either don't have these locomotives or don't use the fancy control systems? It might make some of us "KISS" guys consider making a change. If any Big L employees are lurking on the site here's a chance for you to show us what you've got. BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67095	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Wick Trick

There is no need to bore out the holes for the wick, although I did it a couple of times myself before I realized the easy way to do it. Just take a pair of sharp scissors and cut an angle on the ends of the wicks. dip them in smoke fluid, give em a twist and they will taper to a fine point that goes through the existing holes very easily. I grab the protrusion with a pair of tweezers and pull them through like a hot knife through butter. Steve SnS Trains [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67096	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Re: This would be a fun layout for the kids.

NICE!!!! On Dec 12, 2011, at 10:05 PM, aztecfan wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo5VYpBE0KE&feature=related > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67097	From: Alan Udy	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II

I am surprised this late in this discussion that gutting the reversing switches of the Flyonel Handcar and running it one direction only has not been discussed as an option.  That would certainly work giving it is known that the motor works. Mine?  Both are converted to dcc and work very well. Alan Udy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67098	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: What we do in the country with trains.

These are pics of the PVMR layouts BEFORE we added layouts 4 & 5. Hope to have those soon. We are open every Saturday & Sunday til the end of Jan , except Christmas Day. Here is the website for Paradise. _http://www.gartrain.com/PVMRPARADISE2011-2012.html_ (http://www.gartrain.com/PVMRPARADISE2011-2012.html) This is the PVMR Master page. _http://www.gartrain.com/PEQUEA_VALLEY_TRAINS.html_ (http://www.gartrain.com/PEQUEA_VALLEY_TRAINS.html) A new website to show various construction progress photos. _http://www.gartrain.com/PVMRPARADISE2011PROGRESS.html_ (http://www.gartrain.com/PVMRPARADISE2011PROGRESS.html) Pics by Glenn Ritter Jim "running trains on the Keystone Main" Lyle (http://www.gartrain.com/PVMRPARADISE2011-2012.html) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67099	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Re: Sounds, sounds and more sounds???

Hi Carl, I've seen many of your videos and they are excellent. They put my videos to shame. David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, <carl@...> wrote: > > BG, > > I have many videos on my YouTube pages of Lionel's S locos and other S locos > at: > > http://www.youtube.com/user/carl4flyer > > They do not have the CrewTalk playing though. > > Carl: > > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf > Of bull_gator_1 > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:06 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Sounds, sounds and more sounds??? > > > > Hi All, > > I have heard a lot of talk about the various sounds that the Mikados, > Northerns and Challengers make in Legacy and TMCC mode. I don't have a clue > what you guys are talking about. No hobby shop in this area carries "S" much > less have any samples running. Could one of you make a video showing off > these sound effects and post it to YouTube for those of us who either don't > have these locomotives or don't use the fancy control systems? It might make > some of us "KISS" guys consider making a change. > > If any Big L employees are lurking on the site here's a chance for you to > show us what you've got. > > BG1 > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67100	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II

Hi Alan, I have several original AF 740 handcars that of course go only in one direction. I also have an original AF 742 handcar and the reversing bar on it needs to be replaced (another job for another day). I only bought the AFL handcar because it was reversing - or so it said. You don't have to gut the AFL handcar to make it run in only one direction - unfortunately that is all it does new-in-the-box. I will be building a couple of bridges on my layout soon and thought it would be fun to run the handcar from one side of the bridge around the layout to the other side to transport building materials from one side of the chasm to the other until the bridge span is completed. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Udy <nsupbnsf@...> wrote: > > I am surprised this late in this discussion that gutting the reversing switches of the Flyonel Handcar and running it one direction only has not been discussed as an option.  That would certainly work giving it is known that the motor works. > > Mine?  Both are converted to dcc and work very well. > > Alan Udy > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67101	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II

Went to a large Train Display today with the "Maintainer". Every loco was maintained as were the cars & the track. The MTH O engines have soldiered on for four years. The Bachmann O, N, H-O & G run continuously as well, support provided by Bachmann willingly & quickly. The OWNERS have bought and replaced 3 "O" gauge Polar Express locos & two each Thomas & Percy "O". Want to guess who made those???? With those now famous 100 hour motors. Jim "can't even get catalogs from "L" Lyle In a message dated 12/13/2011 9:19:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: Hi Alan, I have several original AF 740 handcars that of course go only in one direction. I also have an original AF 742 handcar and the reversing bar on it needs to be replaced (another job for another day). I only bought the AFL handcar because it was reversing - or so it said. You don't have to gut the AFL handcar to make it run in only one direction - unfortunately that is all it does new-in-the-box. I will be building a couple of bridges on my layout soon and thought it would be fun to run the handcar from one side of the bridge around the layout to the other side to transport building materials from one side of the chasm to the other until the bridge span is completed. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Udy <nsupbnsf@...> wrote: > > I am surprised this late in this discussion that gutting the reversing switches of the Flyonel Handcar and running it one direction only has not been discussed as an option. That would certainly work giving it is known that the motor works. > > Mine? Both are converted to dcc and work very well. > > Alan Udy > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67102	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II

Hi Jim, Help me out. I have no idea what a 100 hour motor is. Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 12/13/2011 9:30 PM, WJJIM@... wrote: > Want to guess who made those???? With those now famous 100 hour motors. > > > Jim "can't even get catalogs from "L" Lyle > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67103	From: fyrrfytr49	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Replacing Smoke Wick......

Replacing a wick in the chamber of any smoke unit can be done in seconds without using a drill to bore out bigger holes and without fighting to thread it into the existing holes....Simply by taking 18 inches of fishing line (10 lb test will do) and thread it into the hole making a loop pushing it back through the hole in which you insert the tail of the new wick ...then with a simple pull..TA DA...you have now got the new wick where you want it doing this again on the other side You have now finished the job...Time used..2 mins or less...make you connections screw and solder your wires finished...ready now to fill your room with clouds.....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67104	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II

LIONEL has stated that the can motors they are installing in their locomotives are designed to last 100 hours. In normal use, that might be a lot of Christmas seasons. In some cases, it might fail the first year. I am GUESSING that they figure by the time the motor fails, people will have forgotten when they bought the item and they ( LIONEL ) expect the purchaser to just buy another one. We ( PVMR ) have a repro 1955 LIONEL Dealer layout, I asked LIONEL IF they had any interest in supporting it, they wanted to know how many people might see the layout. I told them I have no idea. That was the LAST I heard from them. I am still waiting for the catalogs they promised on Oct 12th, this year. BACHMANN has given me 16 CASES of catalogs, so far. The trains running on the repro layout, are NOT LIONEL, except for the constantly over-heating Gang Car. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/14/2011 6:41:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, wpporter@... writes: Hi Jim, Help me out. I have no idea what a 100 hour motor is. Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 12/13/2011 9:30 PM, WJJIM@... wrote: > Want to guess who made those???? With those now famous 100 hour motors. > > > Jim "can't even get catalogs from "L" Lyle > > ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67105	From: Timboy	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: Replacing Smoke Wick......

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "fyrrfytr49" <am-flyr@...> wrote: > > Replacing a wick in the chamber of any smoke unit can be done in seconds without using a drill to bore out bigger holes and without fighting to thread it into the existing holes....Simply by taking 18 inches of fishing line (10 lb test will do) and thread it into the hole making a loop pushing it back through the hole in which you insert the tail of the new wick ...then with a simple pull..TA DA...you have now got the new wick where you want it doing this again on the other side You have now finished the job...Time used..2 mins or less...make you connections screw and solder your wires finished...ready now to fill your room with clouds..... > Len, Welcome to the S-Trains List on Yahoo! Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67106	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: 100 Hour Motors

OK thanks. 100 hours is a very short time for motors with graphite brushes. It is about right for the very cheap motors with copper alloy brushes as are found in small, battery-operated toys. That all seems either irresponsible or inaccurate. Do you know how to confirm that LIONEL rating? Merry Christmas, Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 12/14/2011 8:18 AM, WJJIM@... wrote: > LIONEL has stated that the can motors they are installing in their > locomotives are designed to last 100 hours. In normal use, that might be a lot of > Christmas seasons. In some cases, it might fail the first year. I am > GUESSING that they figure by the time the motor fails, people will have > forgotten when they bought the item and they ( LIONEL ) expect the purchaser to > just buy another one. > > We ( PVMR ) have a repro 1955 LIONEL Dealer layout, I asked LIONEL IF they > had any interest in supporting it, they wanted to know how many people > might see the layout. I told them I have no idea. That was the LAST I heard > from them. I am still waiting for the catalogs they promised on Oct 12th, > this year. BACHMANN has given me 16 CASES of catalogs, so far. The trains > running on the repro layout, are NOT LIONEL, except for the constantly > over-heating Gang Car. > > Jim Lyle > > > In a message dated 12/14/2011 6:41:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > wpporter@... writes: > > Hi Jim, > > Help me out. I have no idea what a 100 hour motor is. > > Bill > > Bill Porter > South Florida > > > On 12/13/2011 9:30 PM, WJJIM@... wrote: >> Want to guess who made those???? With those now famous 100 hour > motors. >> >> Jim "can't even get catalogs from "L" Lyle >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67107	From: R G	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: Replacing Smoke Wick......

Thanks Tim!  Great suggestion!   Rich  aka major ________________________________ From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 9:45 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Replacing Smoke Wick......   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "fyrrfytr49" <am-flyr@...> wrote: > > Replacing a wick in the chamber of any smoke unit can be done in seconds without using a drill to bore out bigger holes and without fighting to thread it into the existing holes....Simply by taking 18 inches of fishing line (10 lb test will do) and thread it into the hole making a loop pushing it back through the hole in which you insert the tail of the new wick ...then with a simple pull..TA DA...you have now got the new wick where you want it doing this again on the other side You have now finished the job...Time used..2 mins or less...make you connections screw and solder your wires finished...ready now to fill your room with clouds..... > Len, Welcome to the S-Trains List on Yahoo! Regards, Timboy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67108	From: R G	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II

FYI All can motors will wear out.  I have a Hornby HO set and the manufacture states with the set that the motor only has a life expectancy of about 250 hours and gives you the replacement motor part number to order.  Instead of replacing brushes and brush springs we replace the entire motor unit now. I have not worn out a can motor yet but it is possible! ________________________________ From: "WJJIM@..." <WJJIM@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AFL Handcar Part II   LIONEL has stated that the can motors they are installing in their locomotives are designed to last 100 hours. In normal use, that might be a lot of Christmas seasons. In some cases, it might fail the first year. I am GUESSING that they figure by the time the motor fails, people will have forgotten when they bought the item and they ( LIONEL ) expect the purchaser to just buy another one. We ( PVMR ) have a repro 1955 LIONEL Dealer layout, I asked LIONEL IF they had any interest in supporting it, they wanted to know how many people might see the layout. I told them I have no idea. That was the LAST I heard from them. I am still waiting for the catalogs they promised on Oct 12th, this year. BACHMANN has given me 16 CASES of catalogs, so far. The trains running on the repro layout, are NOT LIONEL, except for the constantly over-heating Gang Car. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/14/2011 6:41:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, wpporter@... writes: Hi Jim, Help me out. I have no idea what a 100 hour motor is. Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 12/13/2011 9:30 PM, WJJIM@... wrote: > Want to guess who made those???? With those now famous 100 hour motors. > > > Jim "can't even get catalogs from "L" Lyle > > ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67109	From: Michael Thomas	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: Got my Challenger

>Hello to the group, >I have also received my Challenger and it is very well done as you look at it as a model, its beautiful to look at. Mine runs OK, it is the 3977 the >greyhound, but it is not as responsive as the Big Boy which I also own. The Big Boy will creep down the rails but the Challenger does not start or stop as >smoothly as the 4014. I have tried adjusting by setting the stall but to no avail, it goes from stopped to maybe 10 mph and stops the same way. Kinda >makes me wish I had two Big Boys. I own quite a few of the Flyonel engines and rolling stock and this is my first disappointment from Lionel. >Ray Ray, I had a similar issue with my Challenger: fast start, not able to slow creep, etc. I'm using TMCC with a CAB1 controller. At the bottom of the CAB1 controller, there is a panel that slides off, showing a "Set" button and three other buttons, L, M, and H. These set the throttle increment, L=32, M=100, H=100. I reset my CAB1 to "H", then got the slow start and slow speed creep working! Take a look if you are using CAB1 and haven't tried this already. Mike T. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67110	From: Obie Bell	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: 100 hour motors

Is there an estimate rating of hours of service on the can motors from SNS? Obie Bell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67111	From: Larry Asp	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Handcar Part II

I have installed can motors in Flyer steamers - a slow speed and a normal speed one. However one very early had a worm gear weae out after less than 10 hours. Replaced it with another can motor and it worked fine. Both are in 322 Hudsons - draw less current, smoke like the dickens, and brighter headlites. They are fun to experiment with, but I still prefer a properly reconditioned and working original piece to run. Another item for your Flyer engines and accessories, are screw in LED lights. I found a 100 deg light that has a short bulb on it that fits in steamers, some diesels and some cars (caboose) that give good light - bought from a chap in England on the e place. They arnt satisfactory in all instances, but worked for me in steamers. The 100 deg gives better light difusion than the 30 deg one - in which case the bulb body is too long. They cost about the same as regular bulbs. On 2011-12-14, at 1:24 PM, R G wrote: > FYI All can motors will wear out. I have a Hornby HO set and the manufacture states with the set that the motor only has a life expectancy of about 250 hours and gives you the replacement motor part number to order. Instead of replacing brushes and brush springs we replace the entire motor unit now. I have not worn out a can motor yet but it is possible! > > > > ________________________________ > From: "WJJIM@..." <WJJIM@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 8:18 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AFL Handcar Part II > > > > LIONEL has stated that the can motors they are installing in their > locomotives are designed to last 100 hours. In normal use, that might be a lot of > Christmas seasons. In some cases, it might fail the first year. I am > GUESSING that they figure by the time the motor fails, people will have > forgotten when they bought the item and they ( LIONEL ) expect the purchaser to > just buy another one. > > We ( PVMR ) have a repro 1955 LIONEL Dealer layout, I asked LIONEL IF they > had any interest in supporting it, they wanted to know how many people > might see the layout. I told them I have no idea. That was the LAST I heard > from them. I am still waiting for the catalogs they promised on Oct 12th, > this year. BACHMANN has given me 16 CASES of catalogs, so far. The trains > running on the repro layout, are NOT LIONEL, except for the constantly > over-heating Gang Car. > > Jim Lyle > > > In a message dated 12/14/2011 6:41:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > wpporter@... writes: > > Hi Jim, > > Help me out. I have no idea what a 100 hour motor is. > > Bill > > Bill Porter > South Florida > > On 12/13/2011 9:30 PM, WJJIM@... wrote: >> Want to guess who made those???? With those now famous 100 hour > motors. >> >> >> Jim "can't even get catalogs from "L" Lyle >> >> > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67112	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: 100 Hour Motors

A LIONEL "person" told a Member of the NTTM volunteer staff that info. I do not recall the LIONEL person's name, can find out. It CAN be verified. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/14/2011 1:44:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wpporter@... writes: Do you know how to confirm that LIONEL rating? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67113	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: wicked wick

I have repaired the wick, found all suggestions very good, the best was using the fishing line to pull the wich thru the wholes, it worked great, will find out if the operation worked tomorrow, out of time right now, going to my brothers. Question nr 2, the screw whole on the body of my 283 is broken in half, there are no plastic pices around received it this way any suggestions on repairing it? are just leave it alone and use the single screw that is left, it is the main holding screw that has broken. I dont know but it seems only 100 hrs is a very short life span for a electric motor, especially on a display train that can be r unning all week, and with some of gilbert engines still running with maintance over 60 years now, a 100 hr lifespan dosnt sound very good. Tks vm for all the help tomorrow will let you all know if i did it right, crosses fingers. Jim D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67114	From: ekaplan707	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: For Sale - AC Gilbert Flyer

360/364 Santa Fe PA1 Engines still have a shin to the paint and are in pretty good condition. Pictures available on request. There are a few scratches on decals. Powered unit run smoothly. $95 including USPS insured Priority shipping. 962 Orange Stripe Vista Dome This car has two imperfections on the roof paint and some light scratches across the length of the vista dome. But they are not noticable from a distance and the car is otherwise in Like New condition. Pictures available on request. $80 including USPS insured Priority shipping. Blue #21158 0-6-0 Dockside switcher VG+ condition. One small chip on top. Pictures available on request. $35 including USPS insured Priority shipping. Piggy Back Unloader #23830 Mint in Original Box. Pictures available on request. $55 including USPS insured Priority shipping. Paypal OK for payment. If you are interested but the price is not right please contact me. The worst I could say is no. Please contact me off list and thank you for looking.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67115	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: 100 Hour Motors

Hi Jim and Thanks. I sent them a note and asked. To use their form, I had to specify a product number, so, I chose the Challenger. I can always dream. I find that the cost of new production locos is far too high for my budget. That is especially true when they are packed with expensive electronics in which I have no interest and which may not be maintainable. To hear that the basic power plant is also an item of limited durability is disheartening. I like the newer alloys used for wheels since they provide improved electrical contact over the vintage wheels. I like can motors for smoothness and control. I think there might be a market for conversions that include the good new chassis and shells along with much reduced and simplified electronics. You know, wait for one of these cool new Challengers to fail, pick it up at scrap prices and replace the stuff that failed with more robust stuff that will survive. I also know the folks on this list are always figuring out new ways the manufacturers ought to be marketing. This is probably another of those flights of fancy. Merry Christmas, Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 12/14/2011 4:13 PM, WJJIM@... wrote: > A LIONEL "person" told a Member of the NTTM volunteer staff that info. I > do not recall the LIONEL person's name, can find out. It CAN be verified. > > Jim Lyle > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67116	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: wicked wick

On 12/14/2011 2:23 PM, Jimbo wrote: > > I don't know but it seems only 100 hrs is a very short life span for a > electric motor, especially on a display train that can be running all > week, and with some of Gilbert engines still running with maintenance over > 60 years now, a 100 hr lifespan doesn't sound very good. I think that speaks volumes about the differences in companies 60 years ago and now. Then, they emphasized quality even if it was inexpensive. Now, it just seems like get the credit card number and when it breaks, they'll buy another. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67117	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: 100 Hour Motors

I have no reason to buy or run large west coast locomotives on an East Coast PRR-RDG leaning layout. I should move my Chrome SHS S-F A's & B's, come to think of it. Never ran them. More power to those who can use and afford the big guys, I'd much prefer a good PRR Consolidation ( or 6 ) or an EMD lash-up to keep the freight moving. Rebuilding a K-5 into a Display runner, Timko can motor, DALLEE sound, etc. Haven't run 18 trains in one room since 9 AM today. Would like to know what the answer is IF you get one. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/14/2011 5:41:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wpporter@... writes: Hi Jim and Thanks. I sent them a note and asked. To use their form, I had to specify a product number, so, I chose the Challenger. I can always dream. I find that the cost of new production locos is far too high for my budget. That is especially true when they are packed with expensive electronics in which I have no interest and which may not be maintainable. To hear that the basic power plant is also an item of limited durability is disheartening. I like the newer alloys used for wheels since they provide improved electrical contact over the vintage wheels. I like can motors for smoothness and control. I think there might be a market for conversions that include the good new chassis and shells along with much reduced and simplified electronics. You know, wait for one of these cool new Challengers to fail, pick it up at scrap prices and replace the stuff that failed with more robust stuff that will survive. I also know the folks on this list are always figuring out new ways the manufacturers ought to be marketing. This is probably another of those flights of fancy. Merry Christmas, Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 12/14/2011 4:13 PM, WJJIM@... wrote: > A LIONEL "person" told a Member of the NTTM volunteer staff that info. I > do not recall the LIONEL person's name, can find out. It CAN be verified. > > Jim Lyle > > ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67118	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: 100 hour motors

Been running one since 1999 and still going strong. Steve In a message dated 12/14/2011 12:54:26 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, bellokdaka@... writes: Is there an estimate rating of hours of service on the can motors from SNS? Obie Bell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67119	From: mike	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: DC Air Chime 332dc

I purchased on ebay a tender sometime ago for a 4-8-4 332dc I think. My question is there any information on the air chime in the tender. The base on mine was in pieces however there was a speaker, resistor and condenser and a small transformer included in the tender. I had the reverse unit base trucks and was only interested in tender shell. I had purchased the parts from Leventons. I have found no information on the wiring nor how the system worked on dc current and would like to know where I might find this information. I have the Greenburg and Aurotech repair manuals and they have nothing about it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks for any help. Mike Gardner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67120	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc

Hi Mike, I can't offer any help on the air chime but Leventon's caught my attention. I have tried to contact them in the past with no luck and concluded that the are out of business. Am I right about that or can someone tell me how to contact them about ordering parts? A link to their site would be great. Thanks. Lon Walker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <tamerlane_46@...> wrote: > > I purchased on ebay a tender sometime ago for a 4-8-4 332dc I think. My question is there any information on the air chime in the tender. The base on mine was in pieces however there was a speaker, resistor and condenser and a small transformer included in the tender. I had the reverse unit base trucks and was only interested in tender shell. I had purchased the parts from Leventons. I have found no information on the wiring nor how the system worked on dc current and would like to know where I might find this information. I have the Greenburg and Aurotech repair manuals and they have nothing about it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks for any help. Mike Gardner >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67121	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Aftermarket electronics conversions?

There was a lot of talk about what to do when the original electronics fail among hobby shop owners some years ago when MTH changed to the Proto One circuit boards and could no longer support the earlier non-sound boards. This has become an across the industry problem that has grown only worse since then. Most of these shop owners had long been doing toy train repair and could fix about anything going way back into the twenties. Customers didn't understand how they could get a pre-war tinplate train fixed that had been in the family for decades, but a much more expensive train five years old couldn't be repaired. Realizing that the electronics industry changes extremely quickly and the lack of suitable circuit boards and other parts was going to be a problem, inquires were made of electronics jobbers. The replies always came back the same; First, the electronics were "owned" by the manufacturer and not shared openly. Second: a shop would have to order thousands of boards to get anyone to consider taking their order. Obviously, this killed any hope of the shops in my region from going further. This begs the question of what does one do twenty years from now (or even today in some cases) when they pull out that "old" 2010 locomotive to run, and it doesn't work? Or will throwing away locomotives worth hundreds of dollars each and lots of sentimental value be commonplace? The alternative is creating a generic circuit board that will run these things for as long as our current old trains have run without them. I know there was further discussion of creating a generic board to run and reverse any AC engine plus run headlight and smoke. But being out of the business for a few years, I've heard nothing more. Discussion? Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67122	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: Got my Challenger !

Challenger was my # 1 too unit the sound system went out. The only thing I could do is check for any broken wires, but don't see any. Had so fun for only 4 weeks and now it's going back. Keep your fingers crossed guys. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67123	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: wicked wick - Now Screw Post Repair

Jim, Go to the following link and you can see photos of how I repair broken screw posts using JB Weld and a plastic straw: http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album126 The photos have gotten out of order but it's pretty simple to follow if you look at all the photos and read the titles! Good luck, BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Jimbo" <jad01@...> wrote: > > I have repaired the wick, found all suggestions very good, the best was using the fishing line to pull the wich thru the wholes, it worked great, will find out if the operation worked tomorrow, out of time right now, going to my brothers. > Question nr 2, the screw whole on the body of my 283 is broken in half, there are no plastic pices around received it this way any suggestions on repairing it? are just leave it alone and use the single screw that is left, it is the main holding screw that has broken. > I dont know but it seems only 100 hrs is a very short life span for a electric motor, especially on a display train that can be r unning all week, and with some of gilbert engines still running with maintance over 60 years now, a 100 hr lifespan dosnt sound very good. > > Tks vm for all the help tomorrow will let you all know if i did it right, crosses fingers. Jim D. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67124	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?

Install a rectifier and keep on running. We know the electronics will fail and probably will not be supported by the OEM manufacturer. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/14/2011 8:59:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mrstumpy@... writes: There was a lot of talk about what to do when the original electronics fail among hobby shop owners some years ago when MTH changed to the Proto One circuit boards and could no longer support the earlier non-sound boards. This has become an across the industry problem that has grown only worse since then. Most of these shop owners had long been doing toy train repair and could fix about anything going way back into the twenties. Customers didn't understand how they could get a pre-war tinplate train fixed that had been in the family for decades, but a much more expensive train five years old couldn't be repaired. Realizing that the electronics industry changes extremely quickly and the lack of suitable circuit boards and other parts was going to be a problem, inquires were made of electronics jobbers. The replies always came back the same; First, the electronics were "owned" by the manufacturer and not shared openly. Second: a shop would have to order thousands of boards to get anyone to consider taking their order. Obviously, this killed any hope of the shops in my region from going further. This begs the question of what does one do twenty years from now (or even today in some cases) when they pull out that "old" 2010 locomotive to run, and it doesn't work? Or will throwing away locomotives worth hundreds of dollars each and lots of sentimental value be commonplace? The alternative is creating a generic circuit board that will run these things for as long as our current old trains have run without them. I know there was further discussion of creating a generic board to run and reverse any AC engine plus run headlight and smoke. But being out of the business for a few years, I've heard nothing more. Discussion? Stumpy in Ahia ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67125	From: Timboy	Date: 12/14/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > There was a lot of talk about what to do when the original electronics fail among hobby shop owners some years ago when MTH changed to the Proto One circuit boards and could no longer support the earlier non-sound boards. This has become an across the industry problem that has grown only worse since then. > Most of these shop owners had long been doing toy train repair and could fix about anything going way back into the twenties. Customers didn't understand how they could get a pre-war tinplate train fixed that had been in the family for decades, but a much more expensive train five years old couldn't be repaired. > Realizing that the electronics industry changes extremely quickly and the lack of suitable circuit boards and other parts was going to be a problem, inquires were made of electronics jobbers. > The replies always came back the same; First, the electronics were "owned" by the manufacturer and not shared openly. Second: a shop would have to order thousands of boards to get anyone to consider taking their order. Obviously, this killed any hope of the shops in my region from going further. > This begs the question of what does one do twenty years from now (or even today in some cases) when they pull out that "old" 2010 locomotive to run, and it doesn't work? Or will throwing away locomotives worth hundreds of dollars each and lots of sentimental value be commonplace? > The alternative is creating a generic circuit board that will run these things for as long as our current old trains have run without them. I know there was further discussion of creating a generic board to run and reverse any AC engine plus run headlight and smoke. But being out of the business for a few years, I've heard nothing more. Discussion? > Stumpy in Ahia > Norbert? http://doerry.org/norbert/train/AFtrain.htm -Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67126	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Photos for alavans51

Hi, I posted two photos for alavans51 who commented on one of my photos. Lon http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/1410464592/pic/2039728374/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67127	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: wicked wicked wick

Doctor I am sorry to say, the transplant was rejecteded, we beleave the wick was agian wicked before the transplant, could not get a good Ohm reading from the proper test equipment, so it was a failure, but with two good engines we know also our e unit is also sick, not switching such a sick engine but we shall prevale sooner are later, once wife lets lose of funds and we can buy another wick, eunit and cross fingers a wheel puller to repair broken wheel on other patient. and gonna check its vision as that its not very bright maybe wrong buld are just need cleaning will see. you all will hear back from Doc Jimbo later today!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67128	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc

Hi Lon, � Ron Leventon is still in business. His hours 12 PM to 4 PM Monday - Thursday Phone numbers 360-748-3643 or 360-748-6236 Fax 24/7 360-748-7507. If you still have trouble contacting Ron, I handle his line of American Flyer parts please contact me seccia@... � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: boxcar4willhe <wlon17@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 8:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: DC Air Chime 332dc   Hi Mike, I can't offer any help on the air chime but Leventon's caught my attention. I have tried to contact them in the past with no luck and concluded that the are out of business. Am I right about that or can someone tell me how to contact them about ordering parts? A link to their site would be great. Thanks. Lon Walker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <tamerlane_46@...> wrote: > > I purchased on ebay a tender sometime ago for a 4-8-4 332dc I think. My question is there any information on the air chime in the tender. The base on mine was in pieces however there was a speaker, resistor and condenser and a small transformer included in the tender. I had the reverse unit base trucks and was only interested in tender shell. I had purchased the parts from Leventons. I have found no information on the wiring nor how the system worked on dc current and would like to know where I might find this information. I have the Greenburg and Aurotech repair manuals and they have nothing about it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks for any help. Mike Gardner > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67129	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc

Hi Mike, � A 332DC or early 332's 1948 did not have a Whistle in the tender nor used a Air Chime control button.  If you have a K-Line book see pages 70 & 71.  If you have a Northern tender with components for a whistle inside it is most likely for a 334DC. This Northern did have a whistle which had a control that ran from house current.  The parts were similar to those inside of old radios. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: mike <tamerlane_46@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 7:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] DC Air Chime 332dc   I purchased on ebay a tender sometime ago for a 4-8-4 332dc I think. My question is there any information on the air chime in the tender. The base on mine was in pieces however there was a speaker, resistor and condenser and a small transformer included in the tender. I had the reverse unit base trucks and was only interested in tender shell. I had purchased the parts from Leventons. I have found no information on the wiring nor how the system worked on dc current and would like to know where I might find this information. I have the Greenburg and Aurotech repair manuals and they have nothing about it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks for any help. Mike Gardner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67130	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: wicked wick - Now Screw Post Repair

________________________________ From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, December 14, 2011 9:25:04 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: wicked wick - Now Screw Post Repair   Jim, Go to the following link and you can see photos of how I repair broken screw posts using JB Weld and a plastic straw: http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album126 The photos have gotten out of order but it's pretty simple to follow if you look at all the photos and read the titles! Good luck, where did you get the jb weld, hobby store? Lowes? not familiar with it, also tks for info good ideal using the straw [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67131	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: 100 Hour Motors

Hi Folks, Here is the reply I received (promptly) from the people at Lionel: Bill, Good morning. We do not have an exact hour on the motors. We do issue a year warranty for our products from the date of purchase. Also, with our Vision Line products, they receive a two year warranty from the date of purchase. Thanks, Talk To Us I think that is an accountants answer (or maybe Marketing). 1 or 2 years is about as far as the owners would want to incur any responsibility for new products and is really not too far out of line with low cost items. Things like TV sets or dishwashers have similar projected life and similar offers of extended warranty. Higher priced items such as autos have longer times. It does bother me a bit when I think about thousand dollar prices for toys that are not expected to last longer than a typical childhood. I guess I will stick with older and simpler tech trains. That is a good match for older and simpler me. Merry Christmas, Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 12/14/2011 6:14 PM, WJJIM@... wrote: > I have no reason to buy or run large west coast locomotives on an East > Coast PRR-RDG leaning layout. I should move my Chrome SHS S-F A's& B's, > come to think of it. Never ran them. More power to those who can use and > afford the big guys, I'd much prefer a good PRR Consolidation ( or 6 ) or an > EMD lash-up to keep the freight moving. Rebuilding a K-5 into a Display > runner, Timko can motor, DALLEE sound, etc. > Haven't run 18 trains in one room since 9 AM today. > Would like to know what the answer is IF you get one. > > Jim Lyle >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67132	From: michael prell	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?

Dam'n good topic. Knowing nothing about "modern" electronics and not wanting to throw away otherwise very good machinery, I too, would like to know more. Good job, as usual, Mr Stumpy! Mike Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! ________________________________ From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Aftermarket electronics conversions?   There was a lot of talk about what to do when the original electronics fail among hobby shop owners some years ago when MTH changed to the Proto One circuit boards and could no longer support the earlier non-sound boards. This has become an across the industry problem that has grown only worse since then. Most of these shop owners had long been doing toy train repair and could fix about anything going way back into the twenties. Customers didn't understand how they could get a pre-war tinplate train fixed that had been in the family for decades, but a much more expensive train five years old couldn't be repaired. Realizing that the electronics industry changes extremely quickly and the lack of suitable circuit boards and other parts was going to be a problem, inquires were made of electronics jobbers. The replies always came back the same; First, the electronics were "owned" by the manufacturer and not shared openly. Second: a shop would have to order thousands of boards to get anyone to consider taking their order. Obviously, this killed any hope of the shops in my region from going further. This begs the question of what does one do twenty years from now (or even today in some cases) when they pull out that "old" 2010 locomotive to run, and it doesn't work? Or will throwing away locomotives worth hundreds of dollars each and lots of sentimental value be commonplace? The alternative is creating a generic circuit board that will run these things for as long as our current old trains have run without them. I know there was further discussion of creating a generic board to run and reverse any AC engine plus run headlight and smoke. But being out of the business for a few years, I've heard nothing more. Discussion? Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67133	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: wicked wick - Now Screw Post Repair

Jim, You can get JB Weld at Walmart, Lowe's, Home Depot, etc. It's in the glue/adhesives section of the hardware department. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON <jad01@...> wrote: > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, December 14, 2011 9:25:04 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: wicked wick - Now Screw Post Repair > >   > Jim, > > Go to the following link and you can see photos of how I repair broken screw > posts using JB Weld and a plastic straw: > > http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album126 > > The photos have gotten out of order but it's pretty simple to follow if you look > at all the photos and read the titles! > > Good luck, > > where did you get the jb weld, hobby store? Lowes? not familiar with it, also > tks for info good ideal using the straw > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67134	From: Ray Puls	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: Got my Challenger

Hello to the group, I found the reason my Challenger made the jack rabbit starts and this may be something other owners may want to check. I lubed my engine per Lionel instructions before running but did not check for ease of rotation of all wheel sets. After running for some time and not getting smooth starts I heard a rubbing noise, friction. I looked the engine and tender over and noticed the wheels on the pilot truck had some burnished areas on them. When I rotated the wheel sets I found one set to be tight. As it turns out the small screw used to attach the pickup wire to the truck was driven into the axle. I disassembled the truck and filed down the screw and reassembled to make sure the wheel sets spun free and then reattached the pilot truck to the engine. If you find this to be a problem on your engine when you disassemble the truck take note of which side the insulated wheels are on.  The performance of the engine is much improved and I got rid of that awful sound. Now I look forward to being able to double head with the Big Boy. Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67135	From: trainnut2us	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: SHS Christmas cars

I'm looking for two of SHS Christmas cars to fill out my Christmas train. Looking for 1998 Christmas caboose and 2009 Christmas boxcar with tree. Please reply off list. Thank you Jim Siverling

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67136	From: Al Baker	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: S-Helper Straight Sectional Track

Will consider used or new. Please reply off line to: Al Baker albaker33@... 503-645-9079

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67137	From: Dale F. Smith	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc

I will bet that the "transformer" is probably a choke used with the capacitor to tune the circuit to the whistle frequency. I have often wondered how the early AC box powered electronic whistle's engine components differed from those in the later vibrator powered whistles. Was the choke instead of, or in addition to, a resistor one of the differences? Dale Smith On 12/14/2011 7:54 PM, Sheila Seccia wrote: > > Hi Mike, > � A 332DC or early 332's 1948 did not have a Whistle in the tender nor > used a Air Chime control button. If you have a K-Line book see pages > 70 & 71. If you have a Northern tender with components for a whistle > inside it is most likely for a 334DC. This Northern did have a whistle > which had a control that ran from house current. The parts were > similar to those inside of old radios. > � Tom Seccia > > ________________________________ > From: mike <tamerlane_46@... <mailto:tamerlane_46%40yahoo.com>> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 7:59 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] DC Air Chime 332dc > > > > I purchased on ebay a tender sometime ago for a 4-8-4 332dc I think. > My question is there any information on the air chime in the tender. > The base on mine was in pieces however there was a speaker, resistor > and condenser and a small transformer included in the tender. I had > the reverse unit base trucks and was only interested in tender shell. > I had purchased the parts from Leventons. I have found no information > on the wiring nor how the system worked on dc current and would like > to know where I might find this information. I have the Greenburg and > Aurotech repair manuals and they have nothing about it. Any help would > be appreciated. Thanks for any help. Mike Gardner > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67138	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: wicked wick - Now Screw Post Repair

And no enthusiast should be without it!. Alistair On Fri 16/12/11 1:54 AM , "bull_gator_1" bull_gator_1@... sent: Jim, You can get JB Weld at Walmart, Lowe's, Home Depot, etc. It's in the glue/adhesives section of the hardware department. BG1 --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1], MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON wrote: > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: bull_gator_1 > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] > Sent: Wed, December 14, 2011 9:25:04 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: wicked wick - Now Screw Post Repair > > > Jim, > > Go to the following link and you can see photos of how I repair broken screw > posts using JB Weld and a plastic straw: > > http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album126 [3] > > The photos have gotten out of order but it's pretty simple to follow if you look > at all the photos and read the titles! > > Good luck, > > where did you get the jb weld, hobby store? Lowes? not familiar with it, also > tks for info good ideal using the straw > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album126 [4] mailto:bull_gator_1@...?subject=Re:%20wicked%20wick%20-%20Now%20Screw%20Post%20Repair [5] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20wicked%20wick%20-%20Now%20Screw%20Post%20Repair [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvZTRzZmg2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzEzMwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjM5NjY5NzA-?act=reply&messageNum=67133 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjbzExZ2tkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjM5NjY5NzA- [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/67079;_ylc=X3oDMTM0ZGM0NTlmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzEzMwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjM5NjY5NzAEdHBjSWQDNjcwNzk- [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkN3Jvbms5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzIzOTY2OTcw?o=6 [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkaTduZ2U4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzIzOTY2OTcw [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjMDVnODlqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMjM5NjY5NzA- [12] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [13] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15o1luor8/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1323974170/L=e565602e-273a-11e1-9e5b-4ffe6477418c/B=GSMKQmKJiTM-/J=1323966970966497/K=LNFQz4GFCrbQ47toocc.gQ/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*<a href= [14] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiMjJkMzRwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMyMzk2Njk3MA-- [15] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional [16] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest [17] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [18] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67139	From: Bob Moyer	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?

To All, My day job is as an engineer at Motorola, soon to be Google, or will it be Googlrola or Moogle? In any case, if you just want to control motion on a loco, no big deal. If you want literaly the bells and whistles, that would be more work. Instead of reverse engineering the hardware to keep working on a proprietary system (for example TMCC) pair a new on board loco contoller board to to an open source android app and control the loco via bluetooth with a smartphone or a tablet. Proprietary systems to control mostly any consumer goods are sooo late 20th century. LOL Anyhow that's my opinion. I've been working on computers for almost forty years. In my early days it was mainframes. The young engineers laugh when I tell them I worked on 50 MEG hard drives that weighed 200 lbs. I run my trains like I ran them when I was a kid. I enjoy working retro. Coils, solenoids, relays, an occasional diode, is cool with me. Regards Bob Moyer On Dec 15, 2011 11:35 AM, "michael prell" <mlprell@...> wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67140	From: Bill	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: AF Challenger

I'm writing for my friend Bruce who has only 10% vision in one eye and none in the other. He does amazingly well and has built himself a 14X27 layout. He's been having some troubles with his AF Challenger. " I got my Challenger and the first thing I did was to check it out on conventional operation and it seemed to be OK. I'm using the Legacy system and the next thing I did was to download the memory module into the Cab2. The memory module turned out to be blank. That is,there is no electronics in the module. The road name for my engine is SP&S,I contacted the dealer from whom I bought it and found that the only other SP&S they had in stock also had a blank module. The other Challengers they had in stock all had their modules. I wonder if anyone has had the same problem? So far I haven't been able to get a responce from Lionel.E-mails from both myself and the dealer has got no responce as far as getting a replacement. Bruce Renshaw. in Lewiston ID

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67141	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: AF Challenger

You can manually program the features, name and number manually into the Cab-2 until you get a replacement module. There is nothing special I am aware of in the programming that you can not do yourself. The Loco type would be Pullmore Steam if programmed with a module but you may want to do a Legacy Steam instead so the smoke features are in the Cab-2 display as they should be. There is a software issue tihe the Cab-2 that does not display the Smoke features correctly and that will be corrected with the next release of the Cab-2 software. The Challenger's Orange module programs a Pulmore Steam so Lashups work correctly with the NEW Back EMF speed control that the Challengers are the first use. But most people will not use a lashup and will want the smoke features to display correct instead so a Legacy Steam setting can be used.. So set the loco's type for Legacy, Steam, and Legacy Railsounds for now. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:16 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] AF Challenger I'm writing for my friend Bruce who has only 10% vision in one eye and none in the other. He does amazingly well and has built himself a 14X27 layout. He's been having some troubles with his AF Challenger. " I got my Challenger and the first thing I did was to check it out on conventional operation and it seemed to be OK. I'm using the Legacy system and the next thing I did was to download the memory module into the Cab2. The memory module turned out to be blank. That is,there is no electronics in the module. The road name for my engine is SP&S,I contacted the dealer from whom I bought it and found that the only other SP&S they had in stock also had a blank module. The other Challengers they had in stock all had their modules. I wonder if anyone has had the same problem? So far I haven't been able to get a responce from Lionel.E-mails from both myself and the dealer has got no responce as far as getting a replacement. Bruce Renshaw. in Lewiston ID [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67142	From: scubadoo2@zoominternet.net	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?

Bob, You have peaked my interest. Since I'm not electronics savvy, and only slightly computer literate, how does a layman go about doing this? Douglas K. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ On Thu 12/15/11 1:53 PM , Bob Moyer romoyer1@... sent: To All, My day job is as an engineer at Motorola, soon to be Google, or will it be Googlrola or Moogle? In any case, if you just want to control motion on a loco, no big deal. If you want literaly the bells and whistles, that would be more work. Instead of reverse engineering the hardware to keep working on a proprietary system (for example TMCC) pair a new on board loco contoller board to to an open source android app and control the loco via bluetooth with a smartphone or a tablet. Proprietary systems to control mostly any consumer goods are sooo late 20th century. LOL Anyhow that's my opinion. I've been working on computers for almost forty years. In my early days it was mainframes. The young engineers laugh when I tell them I worked on 50 MEG hard drives that weighed 200 lbs. I run my trains like I ran them when I was a kid. I enjoy working retro. Coils, solenoids, relays, an occasional diode, is cool with me. Regards Bob Moyer On Dec 15, 2011 11:35 AM, "michael prell" wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Links: ------ [1] mailto:mlprell@... [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Aftermarket%20electronics%20conversions%3F [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvNWpzdWtoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzEzOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjM5NzY5Njg-?act=reply&messageNum=67139 [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/67121;_ylc=X3oDMTM0bWM0a2djBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzEzOQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjM5NzY5NjgEdHBjSWQDNjcxMjE- [5] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [6] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15oohjg8t/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1323984168/L=2c48503e-2752-11e1-b71d-6fe943befbd0/B=r_mjQdBDRq0-/J=1323976968151227/K=p0j9t62WivKiYwMi4T4Kjg/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67143	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: ebay # 330656355646 - RPO Car to match Gilbert Tuscan Passenger Ca

Item # 330656355646 is interesting to watch. It is described as being from AMERICAN CLASSICS. It looks to me like it is the RPO car created by Tom Hodgson a number of years ago. It looks just like the S Fest RPO car but this one is nicely decorated in tuscan red to match the American Flyer he avyweights. Has anyone heard of AMERICAN CLASSICS? Part of my curiosity is that the bid price has jumped from an initial price of $9 to $362 now. I would not have been surprised at $150 dollars but $362 is amazing to me. I have a complete set of the S Fest cars but have not added the wheelsets, silhouettes, or lighting. Maybe I should. A set of these sold on ebay a few days ago at about $70 per car. They were very nicely done. I wish I knew who did them. - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67144	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Got my Challenger

Hi Mike, Interesting "work around", but a properly functioning Legacy locomotive should be fully capable of starting smoothly and slowly at a L momentum setting with Cab-1 and/or Cab-2 (You did not mention whether Odyssey II 'on' or 'off'). It would appear that this sample is likely to have the speed control problem, as well. Hope all works out well. Bob Bubeck I had a similar issue with my Challenger: fast start, not able to slow creep, etc. I'm using TMCC with a CAB1 controller. At the bottom of the CAB1 controller, there is a panel that slides off, showing a "Set" button and three other buttons, L, M, and H. These set the throttle increment, L=32, M=100, H=100. I reset my CAB1 to "H", then got the slow start and slow speed creep working! Take a look if you are using CAB1 and haven't tried this already. Mike T. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67145	From: Bill Clark	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: AF Challenger

My club (Bristol S Gauge Railroaders) bought a Challenger to run at shows. Our first show was Greeenberg Nov 19 and 20. We are using TMCC. Started out Saturday morning in great shape! It looks great, runs fine, sounds good, and smokes like mad! We ran all day, about 7 hours straight. A couple of times it stopped puffing smoke, and we power cycled the TMCC system which brought it back. By the end of the day, however, it had stopped puffing and power cycling would not bring it back. We continued running Sunday, another 7 hours. It did not puff at the start, but doing a reset on the loco (per instruction manual) fixed it. It smoked pretty well, but didn't seem as impressive as the day before. During the day the puffing stopped a couple of times, but a loco reset fixed it. The next time we ran was at the NMRA Hub show 2 weeks ago. It smoked ok for a while, then the puffing stopped. Power cycling didn't help. Resetting the loco didn't help. We ran about 4 hours on Saturday. On Sunday we ran it an hour or so, still no puffing, so we took it off. The smoke unit still smokes, smoke drifts out. We still get the choo-choo sound. But the fan is not turning. I took the boiler off, everything looks fine. I don't see any loose wires, there is no oil on the unit. I'll probably check to be sure the fan motor turns, but I don't know what else to do. I don't know if the problem is the smoke unit or the Legacy board that drives it. Anyone else have issues with smoke? Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67146	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?

Bob - I can see the logicality of blue tooth for all controls.Structured thinking is probably the main reason non of the big train makers have gone that way . I mean who do you know without a cell phone these days? At the same time I am absolutely one with you. Retro technology is the only way to go! When you consider all those Flyer and other brand accesories simply worked by relays. or the magic of the late 1930's design that saw the Flyer Talking Station stop trains, play a record and then start the train again with one push of a button - all electro - mechanical! My Standard Gauge layout has ringing bells, gatemen, whistles, semaphores, boom gates and all prewar operating accesories triggered and moved automatically with prewar technolgy! Alistair On Fri 16/12/11 5:25 AM , scubadoo2@... sent: Bob, You have peaked my interest. Since I'm not electronics savvy, and only slightly computer literate, how does a layman go about doing this? Douglas K. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ On Thu 12/15/11 1:53 PM , Bob Moyer romoyer1@... [1] sent: To All, My day job is as an engineer at Motorola, soon to be Google, or will it be Googlrola or Moogle? In any case, if you just want to control motion on a loco, no big deal. If you want literaly the bells and whistles, that would be more work. Instead of reverse engineering the hardware to keep working on a proprietary system (for example TMCC) pair a new on board loco contoller board to to an open source android app and control the loco via bluetooth with a smartphone or a tablet. Proprietary systems to control mostly any consumer goods are sooo late 20th century. LOL Anyhow that's my opinion. I've been working on computers for almost forty years. In my early days it was mainframes. The young engineers laugh when I tell them I worked on 50 MEG hard drives that weighed 200 lbs. I run my trains like I ran them when I was a kid. I enjoy working retro. Coils, solenoids, relays, an occasional diode, is cool with me. Regards Bob Moyer On Dec 15, 2011 11:35 AM, "michael prell" wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Links: ------ [1] mailto:mlprell@... 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 67147	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: AF Challenger

Bill, Things to check. Is the smoke motor running (puffing)? Had a motor go bad. Measure the resistance of the element. It should be 6 ohms. Easily replaceable. Measure the voltage accross the element it should be from 3 to 4 volts AC depending on the smoke settings. If the element measures 6 ohms but no voltage it could be the smoke switch or AC Smoke regulator has quit. If you have voltage accross the element and it is gettting hot but no fan motor it could be the chuff switch or wiring or the smoke unit's board is bad. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bill Clark Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 4:20 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Challenger My club (Bristol S Gauge Railroaders) bought a Challenger to run at shows. Our first show was Greeenberg Nov 19 and 20. We are using TMCC. Started out Saturday morning in great shape! It looks great, runs fine, sounds good, and smokes like mad! We ran all day, about 7 hours straight. A couple of times it stopped puffing smoke, and we power cycled the TMCC system which brought it back. By the end of the day, however, it had stopped puffing and power cycling would not bring it back. We continued running Sunday, another 7 hours. It did not puff at the start, but doing a reset on the loco (per instruction manual) fixed it. It smoked pretty well, but didn't seem as impressive as the day before. During the day the puffing stopped a couple of times, but a loco reset fixed it. The next time we ran was at the NMRA Hub show 2 weeks ago. It smoked ok for a while, then the puffing stopped. Power cycling didn't help. Resetting the loco didn't help. We ran about 4 hours on Saturday. On Sunday we ran it an hour or so, still no puffing, so we took it off. The smoke unit still smokes, smoke drifts out. We still get the choo-choo sound. But the fan is not turning. I took the boiler off, everything looks fine. I don't see any loose wires, there is no oil on the unit. I'll probably check to be sure the fan motor turns, but I don't know what else to do. I don't know if the problem is the smoke unit or the Legacy board that drives it. Anyone else have issues with smoke? Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67148	From: doerryn	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?

I think it would be great to create a set of open-system standards for model train control. I would create a layered set of standards ... a. Have a set of "communication" standards to describe how a base controller would communicate messages to and from the engine. Could be a set of standards for different ways of communicating ... - through the track power (perhaps an adaptation of Ethernet over power lines) - BLue Tooth - WI-FI personally I'd like this communication standard be based on the Internet Protocol -- it probably will be around for a while and thus have industry support. b. Have a set of "message" standards to describe the message formats and define the expected behavior in response to the messagess. There are a number of existing message format standards that could easily be adapted for model train use. LonWOrks (ANSI/CEA-709.1-B) is actually used onboard 1:1 scale trains and would be a good candidate. By using existing standards, there's much greater hope that industrial / commercial circuit boards and components can be used to keep costs down. To develop these standards, could pose a challenge to several universitiy teams (great project for undergraduate and graduate Electrical Engineering and Mechanical Engineering students) and have a "flyer-off" competition. Trophy would be made from dead flyonel engines. Have a great day, Norbert --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@> wrote: > > > > There was a lot of talk about what to do when the original electronics fail among hobby shop owners some years ago when MTH changed to the Proto One circuit boards and could no longer support the earlier non-sound boards. This has become an across the industry problem that has grown only worse since then. > > Most of these shop owners had long been doing toy train repair and could fix about anything going way back into the twenties. Customers didn't understand how they could get a pre-war tinplate train fixed that had been in the family for decades, but a much more expensive train five years old couldn't be repaired. > > Realizing that the electronics industry changes extremely quickly and the lack of suitable circuit boards and other parts was going to be a problem, inquires were made of electronics jobbers. > > The replies always came back the same; First, the electronics were "owned" by the manufacturer and not shared openly. Second: a shop would have to order thousands of boards to get anyone to consider taking their order. Obviously, this killed any hope of the shops in my region from going further. > > This begs the question of what does one do twenty years from now (or even today in some cases) when they pull out that "old" 2010 locomotive to run, and it doesn't work? Or will throwing away locomotives worth hundreds of dollars each and lots of sentimental value be commonplace? > > The alternative is creating a generic circuit board that will run these things for as long as our current old trains have run without them. I know there was further discussion of creating a generic board to run and reverse any AC engine plus run headlight and smoke. But being out of the business for a few years, I've heard nothing more. Discussion? > > Stumpy in Ahia > > > Norbert? > > http://doerry.org/norbert/train/AFtrain.htm > > -Timboy >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67149	From: Dennis Back	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: 100 Hour Motors- WARRANTY

--- On Thu, 12/15/11, Bill Porter  wrote that Lionel said.... >>>We do not have an exact hour on the motors. We do issue a year warranty for our products from the date of purchase. - - - - - - Wait a second.  A few weeks ago here on the list, didn't Lionel say (in the small print) that the warranty was from the date of manufacture?  This was in reference to someone buying an "older but new" L item, and because it was manufactured more than a year ago, there was NO warranty! Seems the information that they gave Bill said PURCHASE DATE (only).  Any comments from y'all on this? I don't post often, so may I wish you Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all! Dennis (Miami, FL) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67150	From: Bob Hendrickson	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: AF Challenger

Why should any purchaser have to check anything? These new in the box Lionel products should function correctly right out of the box. Maybe they should go back to making basic smoke and choo-choo locomotives until they can get that right Boo Sent from my iPod On Dec 15, 2011, at 5:27 PM, <carl@...> wrote: > Bill, > > Things to check. > > Is the smoke motor running (puffing)? Had a motor go bad. > Measure the resistance of the element. It should be 6 ohms. Easily > replaceable. > Measure the voltage accross the element it should be from 3 to 4 volts AC > depending on the smoke settings. > > If the element measures 6 ohms but no voltage it could be the smoke switch > or AC Smoke regulator has quit. > > If you have voltage accross the element and it is gettting hot but no fan > motor it could be the chuff switch or wiring or the smoke unit's board is > bad. > > Carl > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf > Of Bill Clark > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 4:20 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Challenger > > My club (Bristol S Gauge Railroaders) bought a Challenger to run at > shows. Our first show was Greeenberg Nov 19 and 20. We are using TMCC. > Started out Saturday morning in great shape! It looks great, runs fine, > sounds good, and smokes like mad! We ran all day, about 7 hours > straight. A couple of times it stopped puffing smoke, and we power > cycled the TMCC system which brought it back. By the end of the day, > however, it had stopped puffing and power cycling would not bring it back. > > We continued running Sunday, another 7 hours. It did not puff at the > start, but doing a reset on the loco (per instruction manual) fixed it. > It smoked pretty well, but didn't seem as impressive as the day before. > During the day the puffing stopped a couple of times, but a loco reset > fixed it. > > The next time we ran was at the NMRA Hub show 2 weeks ago. It smoked ok > for a while, then the puffing stopped. Power cycling didn't help. > Resetting the loco didn't help. We ran about 4 hours on Saturday. On > Sunday we ran it an hour or so, still no puffing, so we took it off. > > The smoke unit still smokes, smoke drifts out. We still get the > choo-choo sound. But the fan is not turning. > > I took the boiler off, everything looks fine. I don't see any loose > wires, there is no oil on the unit. I'll probably check to be sure the > fan motor turns, but I don't know what else to do. I don't know if the > problem is the smoke unit or the Legacy board that drives it. > > Anyone else have issues with smoke? > > Bill > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67151	From: doerryn	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: 100 Hour Motors

IF there is demand for really long lasting motors, perhaps someone should look into producing Brushless DC motors with sealed ball bearings for backfit on American Flyer engines. These motors don't have any brushes (hence brushless). The permanent magnet "field" is on the rotor, and the "armature" windings are on the "stator". Commuation is done electronically. Simpler control electronics use a Hall Effect sensor in the motor to detect rotor position ... more complex control electronics use the induced voltage on the windings from the magnet. These motors and their associated electronics should last in the thousands of hours (for most people this is a lifetime of train enjoyment). (Note an automobile is designed for an operating life of about 4000 to 5000 hours) Plus, these motors are much more efficient and run cooler than Brushed DC (aka CAN) motors and the open frame Gilbert motors. The manufacturing cost of the motors and the electronics shouldn't be much more than for traditional DC motors and Electronic Reversing units .... if economic quantities can be achieved. The motors do require an electronic drive, but since most folks put in an electronic reversing unit anyway, this shouldn't be much of a problem. Have a great day, Norbert --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > Here is the reply I received (promptly) from the people at Lionel: > > Bill, > > Good morning. We do not have an exact hour on the motors. We do issue a year warranty for our products from the date of purchase. Also, with our Vision Line products, they receive a two year warranty from the date of purchase. > > Thanks, > > Talk To Us > > > > I think that is an accountants answer (or maybe Marketing). 1 or 2 years > is about as far as the owners would want to incur any responsibility for > new products and is really not too far out of line with low cost items. > Things like TV sets or dishwashers have similar projected life and > similar offers of extended warranty. Higher priced items such as autos > have longer times. It does bother me a bit when I think about thousand > dollar prices for toys that are not expected to last longer than a > typical childhood. I guess I will stick with older and simpler tech > trains. That is a good match for older and simpler me. > > Merry Christmas, > Bill > > Bill Porter > South Florida > > > On 12/14/2011 6:14 PM, WJJIM@... wrote: > > I have no reason to buy or run large west coast locomotives on an East > > Coast PRR-RDG leaning layout. I should move my Chrome SHS S-F A's& B's, > > come to think of it. Never ran them. More power to those who can use and > > afford the big guys, I'd much prefer a good PRR Consolidation ( or 6 ) or an > > EMD lash-up to keep the freight moving. Rebuilding a K-5 into a Display > > runner, Timko can motor, DALLEE sound, etc. > > Haven't run 18 trains in one room since 9 AM today. > > Would like to know what the answer is IF you get one. > > > > Jim Lyle > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67152	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?

If I had an electronic reverse that died today I would look at Dallee http://www.dallee.com/E_Units.htm If TMCC then Electric RR Co http://www.electricrr.com/ As for the future, no one can tell, but if there's a need someone will produce the product. When I was running O gauge I picked up a Railking UP Gas turbine with PS-1 off of eBay for less than half the original MSRP. It ran fine, but I was prepared to install an electronic reverse in it if there was an electronics issue. As a side note the locomotive had a BCR installed - the BCR is a replacement for the PS-1 battery and a good example of a third-party solution to a need. Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67153	From: Frank Emiro	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: AF Challenger

Send it back to them, call Lionel service first and ask them to pay for shipping. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 15, 2011, at 7:10 PM, Bob Hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> wrote: > Why should any purchaser have to check anything? These new in the box Lionel products should function correctly right out of the box. Maybe they should go back to making basic smoke and choo-choo locomotives until they can get that right > > Boo > > Sent from my iPod > > On Dec 15, 2011, at 5:27 PM, <carl@...> wrote: > > > Bill, > > > > Things to check. > > > > Is the smoke motor running (puffing)? Had a motor go bad. > > Measure the resistance of the element. It should be 6 ohms. Easily > > replaceable. > > Measure the voltage accross the element it should be from 3 to 4 volts AC > > depending on the smoke settings. > > > > If the element measures 6 ohms but no voltage it could be the smoke switch > > or AC Smoke regulator has quit. > > > > If you have voltage accross the element and it is gettting hot but no fan > > motor it could be the chuff switch or wiring or the smoke unit's board is > > bad. > > > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf > > Of Bill Clark > > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 4:20 PM > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Challenger > > > > My club (Bristol S Gauge Railroaders) bought a Challenger to run at > > shows. Our first show was Greeenberg Nov 19 and 20. We are using TMCC. > > Started out Saturday morning in great shape! It looks great, runs fine, > > sounds good, and smokes like mad! We ran all day, about 7 hours > > straight. A couple of times it stopped puffing smoke, and we power > > cycled the TMCC system which brought it back. By the end of the day, > > however, it had stopped puffing and power cycling would not bring it back. > > > > We continued running Sunday, another 7 hours. It did not puff at the > > start, but doing a reset on the loco (per instruction manual) fixed it. > > It smoked pretty well, but didn't seem as impressive as the day before. > > During the day the puffing stopped a couple of times, but a loco reset > > fixed it. > > > > The next time we ran was at the NMRA Hub show 2 weeks ago. It smoked ok > > for a while, then the puffing stopped. Power cycling didn't help. > > Resetting the loco didn't help. We ran about 4 hours on Saturday. On > > Sunday we ran it an hour or so, still no puffing, so we took it off. > > > > The smoke unit still smokes, smoke drifts out. We still get the > > choo-choo sound. But the fan is not turning. > > > > I took the boiler off, everything looks fine. I don't see any loose > > wires, there is no oil on the unit. I'll probably check to be sure the > > fan motor turns, but I don't know what else to do. I don't know if the > > problem is the smoke unit or the Legacy board that drives it. > > > > Anyone else have issues with smoke? > > > > Bill > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67154	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?

Why not DCC??? It works. Apparently universal. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/15/2011 8:30:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, doerry@... writes: I think it would be great to create a set of open-system standards for model train control. I would create a layered set of standards ... a. Have a set of "communication" standards to describe how a base controller would communicate messages to and from the engine. Could be a set of standards for different ways of communicating ... - through the track power (perhaps an adaptation of Ethernet over power lines) - BLue Tooth - WI-FI personally I'd like this communication standard be based on the Internet Protocol -- it probably will be around for a while and thus have industry support. b. Have a set of "message" standards to describe the message formats and define the expected behavior in response to the messagess. There are a number of existing message format standards that could easily be adapted for model train use. LonWOrks (ANSI/CEA-709.1-B) is actually used onboard 1:1 scale trains and would be a good candidate. By using existing standards, there's much greater hope that industrial / commercial circuit boards and components can be used to keep costs down. To develop these standards, could pose a challenge to several universitiy teams (great project for undergraduate and graduate Electrical Engineering and Mechanical Engineering students) and have a "flyer-off" competition. Trophy would be made from dead flyonel engines. Have a great day, Norbert --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@> wrote: > > > > There was a lot of talk about what to do when the original electronics fail among hobby shop owners some years ago when MTH changed to the Proto One circuit boards and could no longer support the earlier non-sound boards. This has become an across the industry problem that has grown only worse since then. > > Most of these shop owners had long been doing toy train repair and could fix about anything going way back into the twenties. Customers didn't understand how they could get a pre-war tinplate train fixed that had been in the family for decades, but a much more expensive train five years old couldn't be repaired. > > Realizing that the electronics industry changes extremely quickly and the lack of suitable circuit boards and other parts was going to be a problem, inquires were made of electronics jobbers. > > The replies always came back the same; First, the electronics were "owned" by the manufacturer and not shared openly. Second: a shop would have to order thousands of boards to get anyone to consider taking their order. Obviously, this killed any hope of the shops in my region from going further. > > This begs the question of what does one do twenty years from now (or even today in some cases) when they pull out that "old" 2010 locomotive to run, and it doesn't work? Or will throwing away locomotives worth hundreds of dollars each and lots of sentimental value be commonplace? > > The alternative is creating a generic circuit board that will run these things for as long as our current old trains have run without them. I know there was further discussion of creating a generic board to run and reverse any AC engine plus run headlight and smoke. But being out of the business for a few years, I've heard nothing more. Discussion? > > Stumpy in Ahia > > > Norbert? > > http://doerry.org/norbert/train/AFtrain.htm > > -Timboy > ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67155	From: charlie and edith	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Smoke Units - Parts

Greetings! Need some wick material and wire sold seperately, not in a "kit" format. Any thoughts on who might still sell these as seperate items? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67156	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: 100 Hour Motors- WARRANTY

Surprised???? Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/15/2011 8:30:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, backden@... writes: few weeks ago here on the list, didn't Lionel say [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67157	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: AF Challenger

A lot of things don¹t function right out of the box. My Santa Fe Lionel from 1948 had badly damaged decals and mission port hole windows. Sent it back to L and they fixed it. Got it back in March as I recall. It was a Christmas present. I have had three new cars in my life (so far) and they all needed work right off the showroom floor. Not excusing shoddy workmanship or quality control, just saying it is nothing new and nothing unique to Lionel. Roy Inman From: Bob Hendrickson <canambob91710k@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:10:44 -0500 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Challenger Why should any purchaser have to check anything? These new in the box Lionel products should function correctly right out of the box. Maybe they should go back to making basic smoke and choo-choo locomotives until they can get that right Boo Sent from my iPod On Dec 15, 2011, at 5:27 PM, <carl@... <mailto:carl%40tuveson.com> > wrote: > Bill, > > Things to check. > > Is the smoke motor running (puffing)? Had a motor go bad. > Measure the resistance of the element. It should be 6 ohms. Easily > replaceable. > Measure the voltage accross the element it should be from 3 to 4 volts AC > depending on the smoke settings. > > If the element measures 6 ohms but no voltage it could be the smoke switch > or AC Smoke regulator has quit. > > If you have voltage accross the element and it is gettting hot but no fan > motor it could be the chuff switch or wiring or the smoke unit's board is > bad. > > Carl > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ]On Behalf > Of Bill Clark > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 4:20 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Challenger > > My club (Bristol S Gauge Railroaders) bought a Challenger to run at > shows. Our first show was Greeenberg Nov 19 and 20. We are using TMCC. > Started out Saturday morning in great shape! It looks great, runs fine, > sounds good, and smokes like mad! We ran all day, about 7 hours > straight. A couple of times it stopped puffing smoke, and we power > cycled the TMCC system which brought it back. By the end of the day, > however, it had stopped puffing and power cycling would not bring it back. > > We continued running Sunday, another 7 hours. It did not puff at the > start, but doing a reset on the loco (per instruction manual) fixed it. > It smoked pretty well, but didn't seem as impressive as the day before. > During the day the puffing stopped a couple of times, but a loco reset > fixed it. > > The next time we ran was at the NMRA Hub show 2 weeks ago. It smoked ok > for a while, then the puffing stopped. Power cycling didn't help. > Resetting the loco didn't help. We ran about 4 hours on Saturday. On > Sunday we ran it an hour or so, still no puffing, so we took it off. > > The smoke unit still smokes, smoke drifts out. We still get the > choo-choo sound. But the fan is not turning. > > I took the boiler off, everything looks fine. I don't see any loose > wires, there is no oil on the unit. I'll probably check to be sure the > fan motor turns, but I don't know what else to do. I don't know if the > problem is the smoke unit or the Legacy board that drives it. > > Anyone else have issues with smoke? > > Bill > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67158	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: 100 Hour Motors

I was at a meet recently down here in oz and amember of our train club showed just such a commercially made motor designed for models whcih might even have been suitable for use in Flyer. I don't know the details but will ask the member next time I see him. Alistair On Fri 16/12/11 9:31 AM , "doerryn" doerry@... sent: IF there is demand for really long lasting motors, perhaps someone should look into producing Brushless DC motors with sealed ball bearings for backfit on American Flyer engines. These motors don't have any brushes (hence brushless). The permanent magnet "field" is on the rotor, and the "armature" windings are on the "stator". Commuation is done electronically. Simpler control electronics use a Hall Effect sensor in the motor to detect rotor position ... more complex control electronics use the induced voltage on the windings from the magnet. These motors and their associated electronics should last in the thousands of hours (for most people this is a lifetime of train enjoyment). (Note an automobile is designed for an operating life of about 4000 to 5000 hours) Plus, these motors are much more efficient and run cooler than Brushed DC (aka CAN) motors and the open frame Gilbert motors. The manufacturing cost of the motors and the electronics shouldn't be much more than for traditional DC motors and Electronic Reversing units .... if economic quantities can be achieved. The motors do require an electronic drive, but since most folks put in an electronic reversing unit anyway, this shouldn't be much of a problem. Have a great day, Norbert --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1], Bill Porter wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > Here is the reply I received (promptly) from the people at Lionel: > > Bill, > > Good morning. We do not have an exact hour on the motors. We do issue a year warranty for our products from the date of purchase. Also, with our Vision Line products, they receive a two year warranty from the date of purchase. > > Thanks, > > Talk To Us > > > > I think that is an accountants answer (or maybe Marketing). 1 or 2 years > is about as far as the owners would want to incur any responsibility for > new products and is really not too far out of line with low cost items. > Things like TV sets or dishwashers have similar projected life and > similar offers of extended warranty. Higher priced items such as autos > have longer times. It does bother me a bit when I think about thousand > dollar prices for toys that are not expected to last longer than a > typical childhood. I guess I will stick with older and simpler tech > trains. That is a good match for older and simpler me. > > Merry Christmas, > Bill > > Bill Porter > South Florida > > > On 12/14/2011 6:14 PM, WJJIM@... wrote: > > I have no reason to buy or run large west coast locomotives on an East > > Coast PRR-RDG leaning layout. I should move my Chrome SHS S-F A's& B's, > > come to think of it. Never ran them. More power to those who can use and > > afford the big guys, I'd much prefer a good PRR Consolidation ( or 6 ) or an > > EMD lash-up to keep the freight moving. Rebuilding a K-5 into a Display > > runner, Timko can motor, DALLEE sound, etc. > > Haven't run 18 trains in one room since 9 AM today. > > Would like to know what the answer is IF you get one. > > > > Jim Lyle > > > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] mailto:doerry@...?subject=Re:%20100%20Hour%20Motors [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20100%20Hour%20Motors [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvY3F1NTk5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzE1MQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjM5OTkwNjI-?act=reply&messageNum=67151 [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjMnJpMG0zBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjM5OTkwNjI- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/67014;_ylc=X3oDMTM0YWdqbTZiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzE1MQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjM5OTkwNjIEdHBjSWQDNjcwMTQ- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJka2NjNGJiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzIzOTk5MDYy?o=6 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkaHAyNnFmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzIzOTk5MDYy [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjbWpkNjRyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMjM5OTkwNjI- [10] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [11] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15o3nsbik/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1324006262/L=9d843d84-2785-11e1-9485-d718b3ccf5bc/B=2QAnQEoGYmg-/J=1323999062507930/K=r8t7.PVwY7s0OZUxV.JsWQ/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*<a href= [12] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJidmVvM2psBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMyMzk5OTA2Mg-- [13] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional [14] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest [15] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [16] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67159	From: Bill Drake	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?

OK we have an opportunity. I have been reading the thread about using Bluetooth to control a train and open standards. My day job is to design Bluetooth into non phone/non PC applications (currently offering Bluetooth HVAC control system). I have all of the development kits and the ability to design a module to fit into a locomotive to allow conventional or Bluetooth wireless control. Sound, lights and other possibilities are also in the view. What I need is help putting together a standard set of functions and messages to enable standardization and interoperability. If as a group we can come up with these, then I can make the boards to go into locomotives, action cars, switch controls and so forth to enable economical and reliable control via Bluetooth from a mobile phone or pc equipped with Bluetooth. Functions: Locomotive: Mandatory: Forward Neutral Reverse Speed Optional: Headlight on/off Backup light on/off Uncouple Sound Crew Talk (you can talk through your phone headset) Action Car: Activate Uncouple A Uncouple B Switch: Curve Straight Light Tower: On/Off Please add to the list. The above are examples. Bill Drake St. Louis Bluetoothing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67160	From: Tom Hawley	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?

----- Original Message ----- From: doerryn I think it would be great to create a set of open-system standards for model train control. . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great idea. The NMRA should look into it. Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan http://michmod.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67161	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: 100 Hour Motors- WARRANTY

Immigrate to Australia where by law an item has to be replaced if it does not last the time it should reasonably expect to last or it does not fulfil the function it was sold to. Alistair On Fri 16/12/11 10:56 AM , Dennis Back backden@... sent: --- On Thu, 12/15/11, Bill Porter wrote that Lionel said.... >>>We do not have an exact hour on the motors. We do issue a year warranty for our products from the date of purchase. - - - - - - Wait a second. A few weeks ago here on the list, didn't Lionel say (in the small print) that the warranty was from the date of manufacture? This was in reference to someone buying an "older but new" L item, and because it was manufactured more than a year ago, there was NO warranty! Seems the information that they gave Bill said PURCHASE DATE (only). Any comments from y'all on this? I don't post often, so may I wish you Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all! Dennis (Miami, FL) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:backden@...?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D100%20Hour%20Motors-%20WARRANTY [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D100%20Hour%20Motors-%20WARRANTY [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbXAzcHFuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzE0OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjM5OTkwNDE-?act=reply&messageNum=67149 [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjazcyZXMyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjM5OTkwNDE- [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/67014;_ylc=X3oDMTM0bjZnZnNyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzE0OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjM5OTkwNDEEdHBjSWQDNjcwMTQ- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZjNxYjBlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzIzOTk5MDQx?o=6 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkaGs2aWM0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzIzOTk5MDQx [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjNGxkZWM4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMjM5OTkwNDE- [9] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [10] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15oa3nd91/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1324006241/L=911530ee-2785-11e1-a26a-e7549e337184/B=Bl1KQtBDRrI-/J=1323999041636857/K=mhLOd9MWRbEe.Wj33T0Y.A/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*<a href= [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJibWNtdjI3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMyMzk5OTA0MQ-- [12] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional [13] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest [14] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67162	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: Smoke Units - Parts

Charlie, I use Tiki Torch wicking. The 40 gauge nichrome wire can be found via Google. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of charlie and edith Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:46 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke Units - Parts Greetings! Need some wick material and wire sold seperately, not in a "kit" format. Any thoughts on who might still sell these as seperate items? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67163	From: Bill Clark	Date: 12/15/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?

That's what DCC is. Multiple manufacturers create equipment that has a high level of compatibility. S-Helper locomotives have a plug-in interface that allows a simple shorting plug for DC operation, an AC/DC board, or essentially ant DCC decoder to plug in. I run my trains using a Lenz DCC system with DCC decoders (the thing that plugs into the loco to give control and make sound) from at least 5 manufacturers. I can also bring my loco to my friends layout running a different DCC system (NCE) or our club layout using digitrax. DCC decoders typically cost from $20-$40 without sound, about $100 with sound. River Raisin and American Models have included plugs on some of their locos to make it really easy to plug in DCC decoders. But even without the plug its pretty easy to wire in a decoder. I have also added DCC decoders to the AF Mikado. DCC is not perfect, but there are a lot of manufacturers, NMRA does set the standards, and it already exists. Bill On 12/15/2011 8:53 PM, Tom Hawley wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: doerryn > I think it would be great to create a set of open-system standards for > model > train control. . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great idea. The NMRA should look into it. > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan > http://michmod.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67164	From: jimensign50@comcast.net	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: Got my Challenger

I've been following this thread about problems (real or imagined) with the new Challenger. This may not apply to the Challenger, I don't know, but both my new Northern and my Big Boy both function best when operated by a modern Lionel CW-80 transformer. I operate conventional only and have the CW-80 connected only to the loop the Big Boy and Northern run on. The electronics of the CW-80 seem to mate better with the electronics of the new engines. It also has the whistle and bell buttons so those sounds operate correctly, much better than the sound actuators that you can put in the line for old AF transformers. Jim E. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67165	From: Al Baker	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?

Hi Bill, I'm interested that you put DCC in the AF Mikado. Did you retain the use of Railsounds when you did it, or did you get a decoded with new sounds? If you kept the Railsounds, can you use the bell & whistle using the same original bell & whistle controls? Do you believe that DCC can also be put in the AFL Northern and Challenger in a similar way? Al Baker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Clark <billclark424@...> wrote: > > That's what DCC is. Multiple manufacturers create equipment that has a > high level of compatibility. S-Helper locomotives have a plug-in > interface that allows a simple shorting plug for DC operation, an AC/DC > board, or essentially ant DCC decoder to plug in. I run my trains using > a Lenz DCC system with DCC decoders (the thing that plugs into the loco > to give control and make sound) from at least 5 manufacturers. I can > also bring my loco to my friends layout running a different DCC system > (NCE) or our club layout using digitrax. > > DCC decoders typically cost from $20-$40 without sound, about $100 with > sound. River Raisin and American Models have included plugs on some of > their locos to make it really easy to plug in DCC decoders. But even > without the plug its pretty easy to wire in a decoder. I have also added > DCC decoders to the AF Mikado. > > DCC is not perfect, but there are a lot of manufacturers, NMRA does set > the standards, and it already exists. > > Bill > > On 12/15/2011 8:53 PM, Tom Hawley wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: doerryn > > I think it would be great to create a set of open-system standards for > > model > > train control. . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great idea. The NMRA should look into it. > > > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan > > http://michmod.com > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67166	From: billclarkvelocette	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?

Hi Al, I completely removed the TMCC and replaced it with a SoundTraxx Tsunami sound decoder for sound and a Lenz Gold decoder for motor control. If I did one now I think I might use a QSI Titan for both, and not use a separate motor decoder. I documented the Mikado conversion here: http://velocette.us/DCC/Mikado/MikadoDCC.htm I bought a Big Boy to convert, but have not yet done it. Bill --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Al Baker" <albaker33@...> wrote: > > Hi Bill, > I'm interested that you put DCC in the AF Mikado. Did you retain the use of Railsounds when you did it, or did you get a decoded with new sounds? If you kept the Railsounds, can you use the bell & whistle using the same original bell & whistle controls? > > Do you believe that DCC can also be put in the AFL Northern and Challenger in a similar way? > > Al Baker > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Clark <billclark424@> wrote: > > > > That's what DCC is. Multiple manufacturers create equipment that has a > > high level of compatibility. S-Helper locomotives have a plug-in > > interface that allows a simple shorting plug for DC operation, an AC/DC > > board, or essentially ant DCC decoder to plug in. I run my trains using > > a Lenz DCC system with DCC decoders (the thing that plugs into the loco > > to give control and make sound) from at least 5 manufacturers. I can > > also bring my loco to my friends layout running a different DCC system > > (NCE) or our club layout using digitrax. > > > > DCC decoders typically cost from $20-$40 without sound, about $100 with > > sound. River Raisin and American Models have included plugs on some of > > their locos to make it really easy to plug in DCC decoders. But even > > without the plug its pretty easy to wire in a decoder. I have also added > > DCC decoders to the AF Mikado. > > > > DCC is not perfect, but there are a lot of manufacturers, NMRA does set > > the standards, and it already exists. > > > > Bill > > > > On 12/15/2011 8:53 PM, Tom Hawley wrote: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: doerryn > > > I think it would be great to create a set of open-system standards for > > > model > > > train control. . . . . . . . . . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great idea. The NMRA should look into it. > > > > > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan > > > http://michmod.com > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67167	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Aftermarket electronics conversions

This has become a very interesting thread to follow. It would appear that the NMRA standard DCC is the "long term" control system of choice over proprietary systems because it is already "universal" in scale railroading and has the backing of many suppliers. As to adding "Blue Tooth" or other additions, that might be fine as well, but is beyond what I originally brought up. The problem to be faced in the future is that the electronics of today rapidly go out of production to be replaced by the electronics of tomorrow, leaving trains unrepairable. Obviously, the easiest and most long term solution would be elimnating electronics altogether and returning to the way our old Flyer stuff is. (I have furthered this thinking by going to straight DC power to eliminate the troublesome old Flyer reverse unit in my locomotives.) However, a common board for basic functions would seem just as logical for future train repairing. In this way, even if higher functions are lost due to outdated control electronics, the train could still be made to run. It could live on with forward, reverse, headlight, and smoke. From what I have read so far, the fried electronics could be removed and a Dallee unit installed and wired to the headlight and smoke unit. Very basic, but at least in this way the locomotive is able to live again. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67168	From: Bill Clark	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions

Hi Stumpy, At least applied to S gauge, DCC currently means no "integrated" electronics, at least in the sense that TMCC is integrated. DCC has a standard NMRA Medium Plug which has 8 pins, for track, motor, 3 lights and light common. If a loco has an NMRA medium plug, you can plug in any decoder with sufficient current capacity and away you go. NMRA has also defined a "shorting plug" (no electronics) which can plug into the NMRA socket and allow operation on DC. Any of the standard S gauge locos that I have installed DCC into could be put back to running on DC in 10 minutes. The smoke unit may not operate (it would if its Gilbert) and there won't be sound or fancy lighting, but it will operate fine. Based on the size of the DCC market and the number of manufacturers, I don't think we need to be concerned about it going away anytime soon. And it is easy to replace an obsolete decoder with a state of the art one. It is already possible to use your iPod or droid device as a wireless throttle to control your DCC trains. Mike Greene and Tommy Robichaud have done it on Tommy's layout. The Apps are available and it doesn't require an engineering degree to implement. Bill On 12/16/2011 8:48 AM, mrstumpy50 wrote: > > This has become a very interesting thread to follow. It would appear > that the NMRA standard DCC is the "long term" control system of choice > over proprietary systems because it is already "universal" in scale > railroading and has the backing of many suppliers. > As to adding "Blue Tooth" or other additions, that might be fine as > well, but is beyond what I originally brought up. > The problem to be faced in the future is that the electronics of today > rapidly go out of production to be replaced by the electronics of > tomorrow, leaving trains unrepairable. > Obviously, the easiest and most long term solution would be elimnating > electronics altogether and returning to the way our old Flyer stuff > is. (I have furthered this thinking by going to straight DC power to > eliminate the troublesome old Flyer reverse unit in my locomotives.) > However, a common board for basic functions would seem just as logical > for future train repairing. In this way, even if higher functions are > lost due to outdated control electronics, the train could still be > made to run. It could live on with forward, reverse, headlight, and smoke. > >From what I have read so far, the fried electronics could be removed > and a Dallee unit installed and wired to the headlight and smoke unit. > Very basic, but at least in this way the locomotive is able to live again. > Stumpy in Ahia > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67169	From: mike	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: 332dc-334dc

I wish to thank all those who answered my post. I stand corrected on the identification of the tender. It is attached to a 332ac now. The part I thought was a transformer is indeed a choke. I have thought about repairing the system to work on ac and installing it into the 332 engine tender.Thanks again to all those who answered . Mike Gardner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67170	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?

Excellent! I would start here: http://www.nmra.org/standards/DCC/standards_rps/DCCStds.html Bill Porter South Florida On 12/15/2011 8:59 PM, Bill Drake wrote: > OK we have an opportunity. I have been reading the thread about using Bluetooth to control a train and open standards. My day job is to design Bluetooth into non phone/non PC applications (currently offering Bluetooth HVAC control system). I have all of the development kits and the ability to design a module to fit into a locomotive to allow conventional or Bluetooth wireless control. Sound, lights and other possibilities are also in the view. > > What I need is help putting together a standard set of functions and messages to enable standardization and interoperability. If as a group we can come up with these, then I can make the boards to go into locomotives, action cars, switch controls and so forth to enable economical and reliable control via Bluetooth from a mobile phone or pc equipped with Bluetooth. > > Functions: > > Locomotive: > > Mandatory: > > Forward > Neutral > Reverse > Speed > > Optional: > > Headlight on/off > Backup light on/off > Uncouple > Sound > Crew Talk (you can talk through your phone headset) > > Action Car: > Activate > Uncouple A > Uncouple B > > Switch: > Curve > Straight > > Light Tower: > On/Off > > Please add to the list. The above are examples. > > Bill Drake > St. Louis Bluetoothing > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67171	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: 100 Hour Motors- WARRANTY

OK. Sounds promising. I live in a sub-tropical climate with no State income taxes. Where in Australia do you recommend? (some of my ancestors were Scots, most were English and few were Irish - but we must go back quite a few generations to find anyone not born in the States - You and Graeme should not be the only transplants) Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 12/15/2011 8:57 PM, alizoo@... wrote: > Immigrate to Australia where by law an item has to be replaced if it > does not last the time it should reasonably expect to last or it does > not fulfil the function it was sold to. Alistair >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67172	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?

Very wry Tom, Merry Christmas, Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 12/15/2011 8:53 PM, Tom Hawley wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: doerryn > I think it would be great to create a set of open-system standards for model > train control. . . . . . . . . . . . > Great idea. The NMRA should look into it. > > Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan > http://michmod.com > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67173	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?

Hi Norbert, Most of that work is already done for DCC. The NMRA started with the Lenz system and developed a full set of interface specs and operational specs for the parts that go in locos and accessories (decoders) and for base stations. The information is not proprietary - anyone can do it. When items meet the standards, any decoder can be controlled by any base station. Motor control, loco number, multiple engine lash up, sound, lights and custom speed capabilities are all part of the system. The NMRA has even defined standards for plug-in connections for decoders so that locos can be manufactured to work with simple control unless and until the owner plugs in their choice of decoder or the loco can be left in a simplified and lower-cost operational state by using a jumper plug. There are a variety of ways (throttles) to get information into the base station and that is where Bluetooth would come in. Some base stations permit computers to be attached as the throttle. There is no need for Legacy, TMCC, DCS, Proto-X, LocoMatic or any other proprietary system. Of course the manufacturers of those systems all want to maximize their profits and increase their market share by keeping them proprietary. I was working on a voice-activated command system for my Digitrax DCC setup to show at the 2002 National Train Show. I stopped when Digitrax required a very restrictive NDA on any users of their computer interface. I can tell you it would have been simple and robust. Bluetooth would make it even easier. The hard part is to convince executives with a large investment in a proprietary system to abandon it. Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 12/15/2011 7:27 PM, doerryn wrote: > I think it would be great to create a set of open-system standards for model train control. I would create a layered set of standards ... > > a. Have a set of "communication" standards to describe how a base controller would communicate messages to and from the engine. Could be a set of standards for different ways of communicating ... > > - through the track power (perhaps an adaptation of Ethernet over power lines) > - BLue Tooth > - WI-FI > > personally I'd like this communication standard be based on the Internet Protocol -- it probably will be around for a while and thus have industry support. > > b. Have a set of "message" standards to describe the message formats and define the expected behavior in response to the messagess. There are a number of existing message format standards that could easily be adapted for model train use. LonWOrks (ANSI/CEA-709.1-B) is actually used onboard 1:1 scale trains and would be a good candidate. > > By using existing standards, there's much greater hope that industrial / commercial circuit boards and components can be used to keep costs down. > > To develop these standards, could pose a challenge to several universitiy teams (great project for undergraduate and graduate Electrical Engineering and Mechanical Engineering students) and have a "flyer-off" competition. Trophy would be made from dead flyonel engines. > > Have a great day, > > Norbert > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy"<timstrains2000@...> wrote: >> >> >> --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50"<mrstumpy@> wrote: >>> There was a lot of talk about what to do when the original electronics fail among hobby shop owners some years ago when MTH changed to the Proto One circuit boards and could no longer support the earlier non-sound boards. This has become an across the industry problem that has grown only worse since then. >>> Most of these shop owners had long been doing toy train repair and could fix about anything going way back into the twenties. Customers didn't understand how they could get a pre-war tinplate train fixed that had been in the family for decades, but a much more expensive train five years old couldn't be repaired. >>> Realizing that the electronics industry changes extremely quickly and the lack of suitable circuit boards and other parts was going to be a problem, inquires were made of electronics jobbers. >>> The replies always came back the same; First, the electronics were "owned" by the manufacturer and not shared openly. Second: a shop would have to order thousands of boards to get anyone to consider taking their order. Obviously, this killed any hope of the shops in my region from going further. >>> This begs the question of what does one do twenty years from now (or even today in some cases) when they pull out that "old" 2010 locomotive to run, and it doesn't work? Or will throwing away locomotives worth hundreds of dollars each and lots of sentimental value be commonplace? >>> The alternative is creating a generic circuit board that will run these things for as long as our current old trains have run without them. I know there was further discussion of creating a generic board to run and reverse any AC engine plus run headlight and smoke. But being out of the business for a few years, I've heard nothing more. Discussion? >>> Stumpy in Ahia >>> >> Norbert? >> >> http://doerry.org/norbert/train/AFtrain.htm >> >> -Timboy >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67174	From: George & Ruthanne Sorensen	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc

Tom is correct. The only link coupler Northern with a whistle was the 334DC. I have one and it has the same components as the 361 Santa Fe diesel. The both operate from a separate controller that plugs in like a transformer. These controllers have a vacuum tube. I have purchased two controllers over the years, but neither one will blow the whistle in my 334DC or 361. I am assuming a bad tube or bad controller, but not being an electronics person, I am not sure if it is the controller or the horns in the train. George [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67175	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?

Hi Bob, That sounds very interesting. What are the parts that make up such a system? Are there decoders in the locos and base stations to receive the Bluetooth commands (similar to DCC)? Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 12/15/2011 1:53 PM, Bob Moyer wrote: > To All, > > My day job is as an engineer at Motorola, soon to be Google, or will it be > Googlrola or Moogle? In any case, if you just want to control motion on a > loco, no big deal. If you want literaly the bells and whistles, that would > be more work. Instead of reverse engineering the hardware to keep working > on a proprietary system (for example TMCC) pair a new on board loco > contoller board to to an open source android app and control the loco via > bluetooth with a smartphone or a tablet. Proprietary systems to control > mostly any consumer goods are sooo late 20th century. LOL Anyhow that's my > opinion. I've been working on computers for almost forty years. In my early > days it was mainframes. The young engineers laugh when I tell them I worked > on 50 MEG hard drives that weighed 200 lbs. I run my trains like I ran them > when I was a kid. I enjoy working retro. Coils, solenoids, relays, an > occasional diode, is cool with me. > > Regards > > Bob Moyer > On Dec 15, 2011 11:35 AM, "michael prell"<mlprell@...> wrote: > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67176	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: 100 Hour Motors- WARRANTY

Queensland would suit you but you are not going to find anywhere without some sort of state taxes. However you can afford to be sick as medications are pegged and subsidized. But you are not allowed to own a pistol or submachine gun, in fact you cannot own a gun without going through strict tests and complicated procedures so it probably would not appeal to a US citizen. Alistair On Sat 17/12/11 1:46 AM , Bill Porter wpporter@... sent: OK. Sounds promising. I live in a sub-tropical climate with no State income taxes. Where in Australia do you recommend? (some of my ancestors were Scots, most were English and few were Irish - but we must go back quite a few generations to find anyone not born in the States - You and Graeme should not be the only transplants) Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 12/15/2011 8:57 PM, alizoo@... [1] wrote: > Immigrate to Australia where by law an item has to be replaced if it > does not last the time it should reasonably expect to last or it does > not fulfil the function it was sold to. Alistair > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:alizoo@... [2] mailto:wpporter@...?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D100%20Hour%20Motors-%20WARRANTY [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D100%20Hour%20Motors-%20WARRANTY [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvOWltOG5jBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzE3MQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjQwNTQ2ODE-?act=reply&messageNum=67171 [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjczdkNmQ3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQwNTQ2ODE- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/67014;_ylc=X3oDMTM0YzNoZWNzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzE3MQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQwNTQ2ODEEdHBjSWQDNjcwMTQ- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkb2lsYmJ2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzI0MDU0Njgx?o=6 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkODkydGxmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzI0MDU0Njgx [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjbjBwaGtjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQwNTQ2ODE- [10] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [11] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15ob56555/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1324061881/L=1d338ee6-2807-11e1-b901-efe3f242a1f7/B=UMwXQ2KJiUg-/J=1324054681798522/K=GFJvbsDUJgEgo1XHXGEbxA/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*<a href= [12] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiYnNhcmlwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMyNDA1NDY4MQ-- [13] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional [14] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest [15] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [16] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67177	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc

Its not a vacuum tube it is a vibrator - a buzzer/relay with contacts that produces an ac current of adjustable frequency. If they did not work the contacts were probably stuck. Car tube radios used to use similar devices to change the 6 or 12 volt dc of the car to ac which could then be stepped up through a transformer to give the high voltages necessary. Over time they can become temperamental. Alistair On Sat 17/12/11 1:22 AM , "George & Ruthanne Sorensen" rags46@... sent: Tom is correct. The only link coupler Northern with a whistle was the 334DC. I have one and it has the same components as the 361 Santa Fe diesel. The both operate from a separate controller that plugs in like a transformer. These controllers have a vacuum tube. I have purchased two controllers over the years, but neither one will blow the whistle in my 334DC or 361. I am assuming a bad tube or bad controller, but not being an electronics person, I am not sure if it is the controller or the horns in the train. George [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:rags46@...?subject=Re:%20DC%20Air%20Chime%20332dc [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20DC%20Air%20Chime%20332dc [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbW4waW5hBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzE3NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjQwNTQ3MDU-?act=reply&messageNum=67174 [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjcmp0OWFjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQwNTQ3MDU- [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/67119;_ylc=X3oDMTM0aDk4M2VmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzE3NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQwNTQ3MDUEdHBjSWQDNjcxMTk- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkMXBuZTV2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzI0MDU0NzA1?o=6 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkaWxpMzRqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzI0MDU0NzA1 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjMjZxZHRoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQwNTQ3MDU- [9] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [10] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15o34dkdm/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1324061905/L=2b3223c2-2807-11e1-9be8-9bb1316ea772/B=59pzQNGDJHk-/J=1324054705266669/K=NExHQ3jH7Q2F6eT0TFNJhg/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*<a href= [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJidDA5MnQwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMyNDA1NDcwNQ-- [12] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional [13] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest [14] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67178	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: 100 Hour Motors- WARRANTY

Fascinating. I can do without firearms. Most people I know do not own any. When I lived in Michigan (a place with winter - brrrrr) there were a lot of hunters. In Florida, there are some but there are far more sport fisher folk. Are there good supplies of trains? How about train shows? Any Flyer clubs? Is there an active modular presence? My ignorance of the important stuff is vast. I know there are some pretty long trains in parts of the country. How about scenery? Are there interesting routes with opportunities for modeling? Tell us about passenger service. Maybe there is something I ought to include on my layout. Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 12/16/2011 4:00 PM, alizoo@... wrote: > Queensland would suit you but you are not going to find anywhere > without some sort of state taxes. However you can afford to be sick > as medications are pegged and subsidized. But you are not allowed to > own a pistol or submachine gun, in fact you cannot own a gun without > going through strict tests and complicated procedures so it probably > would not appeal to a US citizen. Alistair >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67179	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: scratch building

I earmaked the site for applied, but are there sites that just sell windows doors etc. in S scale, there are alot of cool models but semi expensive, but instead of plastiville to fill some of the empty loots would like to build other things not just from cookie cutter list, and is there a scale design cd? for the puter that you can print out different ideals for buildings, factories etc. anyone know?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67180	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: scratch building

Jimbo,   I know of a few ways to approach this problem(not a very big problem at all)   1. The oldest trick is to buy a kit in say O scale or HO and photo copy to enlarge or shrink the image(s) as needed in black and white then color the copies with felt fine tip markers adhere the copies to card stock and build the building, this was an article from way back in S gaugian, I used to be a member of COSG(central ohio s gaugers) and had learned the trick from the club you may want top contact them as they may send you a copy of article.   2.A step better is to check out a program called model builder software I have an early version some where abouts it contains "textures" of bricks,blocks,sideing,doors,windows that can be combined enlarged or shrunk to any scale you want and you can even import your own pics of signs, doors windows for an almost limitless combanations, again if your printer can not used card stock you will have to adhere the image(s) to card stock.   3. Similar to number 2 clever models has a series of cd with printable "kits" including dome On30 narrow gauge rolling stock they are working on S scale versions of the series of CDs.   4. Grandt line may have some S scale parts   5. You can always scratch build the doors and windows and then make a mold of the master(s) so you can save some time over building a dozen or so small parts for one model . --- On Fri, 12/16/11, Jimbo <jad01@...> wrote: From: Jimbo <jad01@...> Subject: [S-Trains] scratch building To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 16, 2011, 5:22 PM   I earmaked the site for applied, but are there sites that just sell windows doors etc. in S scale, there are alot of cool models but semi expensive, but instead of plastiville to fill some of the empty loots would like to build other things not just from cookie cutter list, and is there a scale design cd? for the puter that you can print out different ideals for buildings, factories etc. anyone know? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67181	From: doerryn	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: Aftermarket electronics conversions?

I concur. Although I haven't used DCC yet, looking at the DCC standards, it appears that DCC does a good enough job with the packet definitions. I suggest using UDP/IP to encode the packets for transmitting over bluetooth (if the performance is adequate). This way one could also used WI-FI if there is some advantage to doing so. (Perhaps for a very large layout). There are also standards for sending IP over power lines that may work for communicating over the track (either ac or dc) Bottom line is that we want to be able to adapt to changing technologies in the future without having to redo everything. Have a great day, Norbert --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote: > > Excellent! I would start here: > http://www.nmra.org/standards/DCC/standards_rps/DCCStds.html > > Bill Porter > South Florida > > > On 12/15/2011 8:59 PM, Bill Drake wrote: > > OK we have an opportunity. I have been reading the thread about using Bluetooth to control a train and open standards. My day job is to design Bluetooth into non phone/non PC applications (currently offering Bluetooth HVAC control system). I have all of the development kits and the ability to design a module to fit into a locomotive to allow conventional or Bluetooth wireless control. Sound, lights and other possibilities are also in the view. > > > > What I need is help putting together a standard set of functions and messages to enable standardization and interoperability. If as a group we can come up with these, then I can make the boards to go into locomotives, action cars, switch controls and so forth to enable economical and reliable control via Bluetooth from a mobile phone or pc equipped with Bluetooth. > > > > Functions: > > > > Locomotive: > > > > Mandatory: > > > > Forward > > Neutral > > Reverse > > Speed > > > > Optional: > > > > Headlight on/off > > Backup light on/off > > Uncouple > > Sound > > Crew Talk (you can talk through your phone headset) > > > > Action Car: > > Activate > > Uncouple A > > Uncouple B > > > > Switch: > > Curve > > Straight > > > > Light Tower: > > On/Off > > > > Please add to the list. The above are examples. > > > > Bill Drake > > St. Louis Bluetoothing > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Enjoy thousands of great photos > > at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67182	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: 100 Hour Motors- WARRANTY

Unfortunately most trains and train clubs are Ho or N scale. Our very small South Australian Classic Train Collectors Club and the Hornby Collectors Club are the only two locals catering for larger gauges and there is nothing specifically for Flyer. If we want anything in S or O in most cases it has to come from the States, although there is some O available. Toy trainwise not a good place to be. Good place for fishing. Alistair On Sat 17/12/11 8:01 AM , Bill Porter wpporter@... sent: Fascinating. I can do without firearms. Most people I know do not own any. When I lived in Michigan (a place with winter - brrrrr) there were a lot of hunters. In Florida, there are some but there are far more sport fisher folk. Are there good supplies of trains? How about train shows? Any Flyer clubs? Is there an active modular presence? My ignorance of the important stuff is vast. I know there are some pretty long trains in parts of the country. How about scenery? Are there interesting routes with opportunities for modeling? Tell us about passenger service. Maybe there is something I ought to include on my layout. Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 12/16/2011 4:00 PM, alizoo@... [1] wrote: > Queensland would suit you but you are not going to find anywhere > without some sort of state taxes. However you can afford to be sick > as medications are pegged and subsidized. But you are not allowed to > own a pistol or submachine gun, in fact you cannot own a gun without > going through strict tests and complicated procedures so it probably > would not appeal to a US citizen. Alistair > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:alizoo@... [2] mailto:wpporter@...?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D100%20Hour%20Motors-%20WARRANTY [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D100%20Hour%20Motors-%20WARRANTY [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbnRhNThzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzE3OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjQwNzYwMzA-?act=reply&messageNum=67178 [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjYzM4MGpzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQwNzYwMzA- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/67014;_ylc=X3oDMTM0NmFvbDFtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzE3OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQwNzYwMzAEdHBjSWQDNjcwMTQ- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkbDJ0YTYyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzI0MDc2MDMw?o=6 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkam85ZTlmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzI0MDc2MDMw [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjbmtyazJlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQwNzYwMzA- [10] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [11] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15o3us2bt/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1324083230/L=d1f99614-2838-11e1-b492-db042eb9443a/B=HF71RGKJiRw-/J=1324076030422352/K=HDzoTlq3Ijj2m2icoGUkKw/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*<a href= [12] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJibWR2ZDFsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMyNDA3NjAzMA-- [13] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional [14] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest [15] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [16] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67183	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: scratch building

jimbo: i'm not quite what you are trying to say, but try google sketch up, it's free, but the initial learning curve is quite tiresome good luck On Dec 16, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Jimbo wrote: > I earmaked the site for applied, but are there sites that just sell > windows doors etc. in S scale, there are alot of cool models but > semi expensive, but instead of plastiville to fill some of the > empty loots would like to build other things not just from cookie > cutter list, and is there a scale design cd? for the puter that you > can print out different ideals for buildings, factories etc. anyone > know? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67184	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 12/16/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc

According to a service note from November 11, 1950 “SERVICE INSTRUCTIONS FOR ELECTRONIC WHISTLE CONTROL BOX” that applies to the Locos 324, 334, and 362 diesel, the tube used in the control could be replaced with a 117P7 or a 117N7 vacuum tube. Other controllers use a vibrator. See: http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album214 for service information. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of alizoo@... Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 1:09 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: DC Air Chime 332dc Its not a vacuum tube it is a vibrator - a buzzer/relay with contacts that produces an ac current of adjustable frequency. If they did not work the contacts were probably stuck. Car tube radios used to use similar devices to change the 6 or 12 volt dc of the car to ac which could then be stepped up through a transformer to give the high voltages necessary. Over time they can become temperamental. Alistair On Sat 17/12/11 1:22 AM , "George & Ruthanne Sorensen" rags46@... <mailto:rags46%40comcast.net> sent: Tom is correct. The only link coupler Northern with a whistle was the 334DC. I have one and it has the same components as the 361 Santa Fe diesel. The both operate from a separate controller that plugs in like a transformer. These controllers have a vacuum tube. I have purchased two controllers over the years, but neither one will blow the whistle in my 334DC or 361. I am assuming a bad tube or bad controller, but not being an electronics person, I am not sure if it is the controller or the horns in the train. George [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:rags46@... <mailto:rags46%40comcast.net> ?subject=Re:%20DC%20Air%20Chime%20332dc [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> ?subject=Re:%20DC%20Air%20Chime%20332dc [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbW4waW5hBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzE3NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjQwNTQ3MDU-?act=reply <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbW4waW5hBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzE3NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjQwNTQ3MDU-?act=reply&messageNum=67174> &messageNum=67174 [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjcmp0OWFjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQwNTQ3MDU- [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/67119;_ylc=X3oDMTM0aDk4M2VmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzE3NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQwNTQ3MDUEdHBjSWQDNjcxMTk- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkMXBuZTV2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzI0MDU0NzA1?o=6 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkaWxpMzRqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzI0MDU0NzA1 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjMjZxZHRoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQwNTQ3MDU- [9] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [10] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15o34dkdm/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1324061905/L=2b3223c2-2807-11e1-9be8-9bb1316ea772/B=59pzQNGDJHk-/J=1324054705266669/K=NExHQ3jH7Q2F6eT0TFNJhg/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*<a href= [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJidDA5MnQwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMyNDA1NDcwNQ-- [12] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains-traditional%40yahoogroups.com> ?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional [13] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains-digest%40yahoogroups.com> ?subject=Email Delivery: Digest [14] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com> ?subject=Unsubscribe [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67185	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: Scratch Building

Scratch Building is a handy skill to develop, and is always rewarding because you can build smething no one else has, or fill a spot on the layout with a structure that fits the spot just right. You might try kit bashing Plasticville or other kit structures. This is a process that is a transition from kit building to scratch building. Many times just painting and detailing a Plasticville building makes it look a lot different. Clever Brothers card stock buildings look very nice, are very reasonably priced, and a simple alternative to scratch building. Another trick is to photograph a building you like locally with someone in the picture whose height is known and then lay out the structure's size from that. You draw your own lans and can modify those plans to fit your space. Grandt Line has long been a maker of scratch building details and has a page of S scale windows and doors. You could also use windows and doors from Plasticville kits that are incomplete. I find these at train shows and they are a cheap source of parts. Bachmann still makes some of the Plasticville line, so parts are out there to be found. Since I learned modeling long before computers came along, I'm afraid I can't suggest any programs you can use. Actually, scratch buildng is a subject that can't be fully explained in a few posts on a Yahoo posting, but a whole world of possibilities. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67186	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: SHS Bulkhead Flatcars for sale, including a Christmas Car

I have two SHS Bulkhead flatcars for sale. If interested, please communicate offline (directly to my email, _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) ). #00163 Bulkhead Flatcar Southern Railway #51861, EP BM Load, Lightly used in original box with Kadee 802 couplers, and scale wheels, but I can change them back if you prefer Tuscan car with white lettering $59 plus shipping #01728 Bulkhead Flatcar 2006 Christmas car, BN 621076 LN in original box, with load of wrapped Christmas presents Green car with white lettering $75 plus shipping Note-Order both and shipping is free - Earl Henry 436 Westview Avenue Nashville, TN 37205-3443 615/298-4502 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67187	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: For sale - FALL S FEST PASSENGER CARS

I am offering a set of FALL S FEST PASSENGER CARS FOR SALE, which are described below: FALL S FEST PASSENGER CARS: This is the complete set of 7 different heavyweight passenger cars. They in are numbered original boxes. No trucks, couplers, or light sockets are included. Some boxes have window material but most do not. I will include some extra window material with silhouettes (but without shades) that I have on hand, but they may or may not fit all cars. These cars are decorated in the Chicago & Northwestern green and yellow paint scheme. They look great behind a # 283 Chicago & Northwestern AF Steam Locomotive or behind another locomotive of your choice. My personal choice would be to pull them behind a pair of F or E units from American Models or SHS. The green on these cars is a close match to the AF green mail pickup car and operating baggage cars. (1) RPO Car “1994” “CHICAGOLAND” #82 ..... (2) Baggage car “1946 – 1996 50th Anniversary”, “MILWAUKEE”, #76 ... (3) Combine “1993”, “STATELINE”, #92 ... (4) Coach “1997”, “SOUTH BELOIT”, #66 ... (5) Pullman “1992”, “PETER J. JUGLE”, #102 ... (6) Dining Car “1995”, “SAINT LOUIS”, #64 ... (7) Observation Car “1991 BADGERLAND", #59 ... I am asking $360 for the set of 7 cars including the cost of shipping within the United States. Earl Henry, Jr. 436 Westview Avenue Nashville, Tennessee 37205-3443 615-298-4502 cell 615/545-6115 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67188	From: johntech	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: Re: scratch building

I just found a free cad program and it has been easy to use Get it here http://www.3ds.com/products/draftsight/overview/ Here is the getting started guide http://www.3ds.com/fileadmin/PRODUCTS/DRAFT_SIGHT/PDF/GETTING-STARTED-GUIDE.pdf jimbo: i'm not quite what you are trying to say, but try google sketch up, it's free, but the initial learning curve is quite tiresome good luck On Dec 16, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Jimbo wrote: > I earmaked the site for applied, but are there sites that just sell > windows doors etc. in S scale, there are alot of cool models but > semi expensive, but instead of plastiville to fill some of the > empty loots would like to build other things not just from cookie > cutter list, and is there a scale design cd? for the puter that you > can print out different ideals for buildings, factories etc. anyone > know? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67189	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc

Didn't know that. It is obviously a simple oscillator (Rf or Af ?) using the diode section for HT and the tetrode or pentode section to produce the signal. I had thought they only used vibrastor in these circuits. Alistair On Sat 17/12/11 11:23 AM , "Gerald Feldman" gfeldman2904@... sent: According to a service note from November 11, 1950 “SERVICE INSTRUCTIONS FOR ELECTRONIC WHISTLE CONTROL BOX” that applies to the Locos 324, 334, and 362 diesel, the tube used in the control could be replaced with a 117P7 or a 117N7 vacuum tube. Other controllers use a vibrator. See: http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/album214 [1] for service information. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3]] On Behalf Of alizoo@... [4] Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 1:09 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [5] Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: DC Air Chime 332dc Its not a vacuum tube it is a vibrator - a buzzer/relay with contacts that produces an ac current of adjustable frequency. If they did not work the contacts were probably stuck. Car tube radios used to use similar devices to change the 6 or 12 volt dc of the car to ac which could then be stepped up through a transformer to give the high voltages necessary. Over time they can become temperamental. Alistair On Sat 17/12/11 1:22 AM , "George & Ruthanne Sorensen" rags46@... [6] sent: Tom is correct. The only link coupler Northern with a whistle was the 334DC. I have one and it has the same components as the 361 Santa Fe diesel. The both operate from a separate controller that plugs in like a transformer. These controllers have a vacuum tube. I have purchased two controllers over the years, but neither one will blow the whistle in my 334DC or 361. I am assuming a bad tube or bad controller, but not being an electronics person, I am not sure if it is the controller or the horns in the train. George [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ [7] Links: ------ [1] mailto:rags46@... 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 67190	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: Flyonel Northern Pacific Passenger Cars for sale

Hello, all! I need to reduce some of my fleet. These cars are in the original boxes. Please contact off-list if interested. Thanks for looking! Earl Henry, Nashville, TN (615) 298-4502 FLYONEL NORTHERN PACIFIC PASSENGER CARS ================ 6-48925 Coach (3 cars are available) $50 plus shipping 6-48922 Vista Dome Coach (2 cars are available) $50 plus shipping 6-48924 Vista Dome Coach (1 car is available) $50 plus shipping 6-48924 Vista Dome Coach (1 car is available) $50 plus shipping Note-Order two or more cars and shipping is free [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67191	From: Dave	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: 0-8-0 & 0-6-0 Traction Bands (Advertisement)

For those of this group that need traction bands for their 0-8-0 & 0-6-0 pre-1966 AF engines we are having a 3 day sale on them. REG. PRICE: $2.25 pr. NOW: $1.50 pr. To view the sale please use the link below: http://www.ebay.com/itm/370569428452?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises,llc 502-292-1872

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67192	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: Fw: [toytrains] December 17 in railroad history - North Coast Limite

This was on the TCA list today, as it has a bit of AF in it. You don’t have to be a TCA member to be on the list, as my good friend Joseph does have a daily RR history email. Mike From: Joseph Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 1:14 PM To: toytrains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [toytrains] December 17 in railroad history - North Coast Limited Northern Pacific launched its Chicago-Seattle "North Coast Limited" in 1900. For the first two years, it was a summer-only operation. However, this train proved to be so popular that by 1902 it became year-round. NCL originally ran on CB&Q rails from Chicago to the Twin Cities. One hundred years ago today, the North Coast Limited began using C&NW's newly-completed Chicago terminal and used C&NW trackage to the Twin Cities. NCL's major rival on the Chicago-Seattle route was Great Northern's "Empire Builder", which rode the CB&Q between Chicago and Minneapolis. In my opinion A. C. Gilbert's finest achievement was his S scale North Coast Limited, which debuted 55 years ago this season on the cover of American Flyer's 1956 catalog. The three-unit ALCO diesel and five streamlined passenger cars were resplendent in Raymond Loewy's two-tone green livery. At 104.5", outfit 5685RH was the longest passenger train ever cataloged by any postwar manufacturer, easily outdistancing Lionel's 0 gauge Super Speedliner (91") which was last offered in 1954. Joseph Lechner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67193	From: trainnut2us	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: Re: SHS Christmas cars

With help from list I have located 2009 box car, Am still looking for 1998 caboose. Thanks, Jim Siverling o --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "trainnut2us" <trainnut2us@...> wrote: > > I'm looking for two of SHS Christmas cars to fill out my Christmas train. > Looking for 1998 Christmas caboose and 2009 Christmas boxcar with tree. Please reply off list. > Thank you > Jim Siverling >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67194	From: Dale F. Smith	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc

What I am curious about is whether the tender components of locomotives made in 1950 and intended to operate with the vacuum tube controller differ from those made to operate on the later vibrator powered air chime whistle. Was the choke only found in DC locomotives or is that difference found in all locos that operate on the vacuum tube whistle controller. An obvious implication if the choke was a difference found only in DC locomotives is that we may have to install one if we convert to DC and want to use an air chime whistle. Dale Smith On 12/16/2011 1:08 PM, alizoo@... wrote: > > Its not a vacuum tube it is a vibrator - a buzzer/relay with contacts > that produces an ac current of adjustable frequency. If they did not > work the contacts were probably stuck. Car tube radios used to use > similar devices to change the 6 or 12 volt dc of the car to ac which > could then be stepped up through a transformer to give the high > voltages necessary. Over time they can become temperamental. Alistair > > On Sat 17/12/11 1:22 AM , "George & Ruthanne Sorensen" > rags46@... <mailto:rags46%40comcast.net> sent: > Tom is correct. The only link coupler Northern with a whistle was > the 334DC. I have one and it has the same components as the 361 > Santa Fe diesel. The both operate from a separate controller that > plugs in like a transformer. These controllers have a vacuum tube. > I have purchased two controllers over the years, but neither one will > blow the whistle in my 334DC or 361. I am assuming a bad tube or bad > controller, but not being an electronics person, I am not sure if it > is the controller or the horns in the train. > George > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - > http://www.adam.com.au/ > > Links: > ------ > [1] mailto:rags46@... > <mailto:rags46%40comcast.net>?subject=Re:%20DC%20Air%20Chime%20332dc > [2] > mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>?subject=Re:%20DC%20Air%20Chime%20332dc > [3] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbW4waW5hBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzE3NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjQwNTQ3MDU-?act=reply&messageNum=67174 > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbW4waW5hBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzE3NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjQwNTQ3MDU-?act=reply&messageNum=67174> > [4] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjcmp0OWFjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQwNTQ3MDU- > [5] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/67119;_ylc=X3oDMTM0aDk4M2VmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzE3NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQwNTQ3MDUEdHBjSWQDNjcxMTk- > [6] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkMXBuZTV2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzI0MDU0NzA1?o=6 > [7] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkaWxpMzRqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzI0MDU0NzA1 > [8] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjMjZxZHRoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQwNTQ3MDU- > [9] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ > [10] > http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15o34dkdm/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1324061905/L=2b3223c2-2807-11e1-9be8-9bb1316ea772/B=59pzQNGDJHk-/J=1324054705266669/K=NExHQ3jH7Q2F6eT0TFNJhg/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*<a > href= > [11] > http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJidDA5MnQwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMyNDA1NDcwNQ-- > [12] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains-traditional%40yahoogroups.com>?subject=Change > Delivery Format: Traditional > [13] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains-digest%40yahoogroups.com>?subject=Email Delivery: > Digest > [14] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com>?subject=Unsubscribe > [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67195	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: bulding parts

I did find a place where you can download a free building to scale, and software for building designs to scale, nice for one demension, but still good ideals and shapes, also pre made leds at modeltrainsoftware.com its a begining hehe now if i just had my track set up gotta clean out the garage

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67196	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: Photos of Faulty AFL 740 Handcar

Hi All, I have posted three photos of the AFL 740 reversing handcar limit switches and slider bar to the photos section. The first photo is here: http://tinyurl.com/7fdr59s Hit the NEXT button to see the other two photos. The only potential problem I can see is that one of the slider arms is longer than the other. It does not appear to be damaged or broken, but a black slider in a black shell is difficult to see very well. If anyone has their shell off would you check the photos and see if your slider is the same as mine or if mine is damaged? Thanks for any help! BG1 PS: To all those who keep saying pack it up and send it back to Lionel for warranty repair, I understand it is too old to quailfy for the Lionel warranty even though I bought it new-in-box last month.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67197	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: Re: Photos of Faulty AFL 740 Handcar

Contact _mreagan@..._ (mailto:mreagan@...) & ask. Did you get a receipt??? IF the seller refused to give you one or refuses(ed) to speak for you, that is another issue. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/17/2011 6:08:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bull_gator_1@... writes: BG1 PS: To all those who keep saying pack it up and send it back to Lionel for warranty repair, I understand it is too old to quailfy for the Lionel warranty even though I bought it new-in-box last month. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67198	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/18/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday December 18, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 4 minutes. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67199	From: Dale Smith	Date: 12/17/2011
Subject: Changes at americanflyerdisplays.org

*I recently made a lot of changes to my website, www.americanflyerdisplays.org, both in format and content. First of all, the format of the website has been changed to operate better on mobile devices, which had a little bit of trouble with the previous frame based website. If you liked the old format better, it is still available by simply adding "/f" after the url, as in www.americanflyerdisplays.org/f <http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/f> . * *As to the content, thanks to Richard Trotter, I now have catalog illustrations of two of the 1958 layouts that I only knew existed from reading about them in Robert Tufts' book on American Flyer Sets (The Almost Complete Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Sets). They are the 28117 <factory_displays/d28117.htm> and 28119 <factory_displays/d28119.htm> layouts. * *Ray Mohrlang provided me with scanned copies of several photos from his collection. They are of the third and largest of the 1st Floor layouts at the New York Hall of Science and are accompanied by a**lot of information on that layout. Ray is interested in producing a photo book of more of these photos along with other photos of various aspects of Gilbert History. If you are interested and might buy such a book, let me know at flyerdisplays@.... Your interest can help make such a book a reality. In any case, take a look at the changes at www.americanflyerdisplays.org * [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67200	From: doerryn	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc

Is there a wiring diagram for how the choke and the other components in the tender are hooked up? I can think of two reasons for a choke, but each would require different circuits: 1. to resonate with a capacitor to amplify the signal for the speaker. 2. to filter out the a.c. current so it doesn't mess up the DC motor. (too big of an ac current will cause the DC motor to heat and also reduce the power delivered by the motor). Have a great day, Norbert --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dale F. Smith" <dalefsmith@...> wrote: > > What I am curious about is whether the tender components of locomotives > made in 1950 and intended to operate with the vacuum tube controller > differ from those made to operate on the later vibrator powered air > chime whistle. Was the choke only found in DC locomotives or is that > difference found in all locos that operate on the vacuum tube whistle > controller. > > An obvious implication if the choke was a difference found only in DC > locomotives is that we may have to install one if we convert to DC and > want to use an air chime whistle. > > Dale Smith > > On 12/16/2011 1:08 PM, alizoo@... wrote: > > > > Its not a vacuum tube it is a vibrator - a buzzer/relay with contacts > > that produces an ac current of adjustable frequency. If they did not > > work the contacts were probably stuck. Car tube radios used to use > > similar devices to change the 6 or 12 volt dc of the car to ac which > > could then be stepped up through a transformer to give the high > > voltages necessary. Over time they can become temperamental. Alistair > > > > On Sat 17/12/11 1:22 AM , "George & Ruthanne Sorensen" > > rags46@... <mailto:rags46%40comcast.net> sent: > > Tom is correct. The only link coupler Northern with a whistle was > > the 334DC. I have one and it has the same components as the 361 > > Santa Fe diesel. The both operate from a separate controller that > > plugs in like a transformer. These controllers have a vacuum tube. > > I have purchased two controllers over the years, but neither one will > > blow the whistle in my 334DC or 361. I am assuming a bad tube or bad > > controller, but not being an electronics person, I am not sure if it > > is the controller or the horns in the train. > > George > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - > > http://www.adam.com.au/ > > > > Links: > > ------ > > [1] mailto:rags46@... > > <mailto:rags46%40comcast.net>?subject=Re:%20DC%20Air%20Chime%20332dc > > [2] > > mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>?subject=Re:%20DC%20Air%20Chime%20332dc > > [3] > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbW4waW5hBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzE3NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjQwNTQ3MDU-?act=reply&messageNum=67174 > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbW4waW5hBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzE3NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjQwNTQ3MDU-?act=reply&messageNum=67174> > > [4] > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjcmp0OWFjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQwNTQ3MDU- > > [5] > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/67119;_ylc=X3oDMTM0aDk4M2VmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzE3NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQwNTQ3MDUEdHBjSWQDNjcxMTk- > > [6] > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkMXBuZTV2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzI0MDU0NzA1?o=6 > > [7] > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkaWxpMzRqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzI0MDU0NzA1 > > [8] > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjMjZxZHRoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQwNTQ3MDU- > > [9] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ > > [10] > > http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15o34dkdm/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1324061905/L=2b3223c2-2807-11e1-9be8-9bb1316ea772/B=59pzQNGDJHk-/J=1324054705266669/K=NExHQ3jH7Q2F6eT0TFNJhg/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*<a > > href= > > [11] > > http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJidDA5MnQwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMyNDA1NDcwNQ-- > > [12] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:S-Trains-traditional%40yahoogroups.com>?subject=Change > > Delivery Format: Traditional > > [13] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:S-Trains-digest%40yahoogroups.com>?subject=Email Delivery: > > Digest > > [14] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com>?subject=Unsubscribe > > [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67201	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: Scratch Building

<< ...Since I learned modeling long before computers came along, I'm afraid I can't suggest any programs you can use...>> Gimp is a good, free graphics program if you want to get into creating cardstock models http://www.gimp.org/ I've created a few basic models just using shapes and fill textures http://www.americanflyerlines.net/cardmodels.html You can use basswood and detail parts to enhance the models, or just use the cardstock structure as a place holder until the permanent structure is ready. Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67202	From: snottpuppy124	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Rocket Car.

I've got a Flyer Rocket car that will not seat the rocket into the launcher. Sitting here, I can't recall the number, but, this car features a blue cannon shaped box held in place by two screws at either end. I have had it apart and have re-assembled it without making any adjustments because I didn't want to make things worse. I think that the seating problem centers aroudn the two silver fingers which appear to be bent. How should they be adjusted if they are the problem. I would like to send this car to my Grand Kids before Christmas, but can waite until next year. So, once again, HELP. Mike Prell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67203	From: Dave	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: "PORKOPOLIS" Stock Car Photo

Hello All, We have just posted a new photo of our PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. stock car here at our album. For those of you, especially in OHIO, that are interested in viewing this car please use the link below: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/90398398/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises,llc 502-292-1872

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67204	From: George & Ruthanne Sorensen	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc

Dale, The components in the 324AC, 334DC, and the 361 (all made in 1950) do differ from those made later that operate with the vibrator. The main difference is the speaker. These 1950 units have a plastic housing speaker and in the opening for the sound to come out there appears to be a metal disc. They also have a single 3 MFD capacitor wired in series as opposed to the dual capacitor units used later with the cardboard speaker. The 334DC engine/tender components appear to be exactly the same as the AC engines. However, I did buy that one from a vendor so it may have been altered. By the way, these three locos will not operate from the vibrator whistle control. I do agree with a comment made earlier that the separate plug in whistle controller probably does produce some type of AC signal/wave to activate the horn. As such, a momentary blast would probably not affect the loco running on DC. We really need an expert like Dave Garrigaus or Andy Jugle to comment on this. George [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67205	From: americanflyer1953	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Wheel Flage Repair

My Hudson 322's driver and middle wheel flanges needs to be replaced as they just broke off the wheel. Has anyone ever repaired/replaced them before? Ray

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67206	From: Timboy	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Buildings and Structures

Flyer Nation, I'm reading all of the posts on scratch-building, kit-bashing, card-stocking, etc. with great interest. I am building the final extension to my hi-rail layout for this train season. It will feature the Barrel Loader and Package Loader. I've already established a theme for the scene: Bucky's Beer and Fed-Ups Shipping. The extension is built and the track & accessories are placed. Now I want to give it simplistic plausibility. That is where the buildings and structures come in. I've looked at a lot of kits and downloadable cardstock files. Either they are too pricey for my budget build or they aren't adaptable enough for my needs. Looks like I'll have to scratch-build what I want in the config that I need. Here is a link to the post I made on my train blog to show what I have to work with: http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2011/12/buckys-beer-and-fed-ups-shipping.html Regards, Timboy, Stretching and Growing

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67207	From: David Highfield	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Roads and Rails Museum

The Roads and Rails Museum is located at 200 N. East St. in Frederick, MD. It opened last July and has a huge model train layout. mostly O gauge with one little S gauge running around a mountain in the middle of the layout. The modeling of structures and landscape is excellent. If anything, they need more trains running. One of the owners said it took five guys four years to create the museum although it's not really a museum. Kids will enjoy it and there are a number of buttons to be pushed to create action. In some ways it rivals the Toy Train Museum in Strasburg, PA. The web site is roadsandrailsmuseum.com Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67208	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: "PORKOPOLIS" Stock Car Photo

Dave, You ruin a perfectly good AF stock car. JUST KIDDING. Worth the value of the trucks. Looks nice. Mike From: Dave Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 2:08 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] "PORKOPOLIS" Stock Car Photo Hello All, We have just posted a new photo of our PORKOPOLIS PACKING CO. stock car here at our album. For those of you, especially in OHIO, that are interested in viewing this car please use the link below: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/90398398/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises,llc 502-292-1872 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67209	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/18/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday December 18, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67210	From: r.borowski	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: Rocket Car.

Check that the tail wings are positioned high enough on the rocket tube so that enough tube extends below those wings. The wings slide on the tube. A friend found this simple fix for me. Bob Sent from my iPad

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67211	From: Alfred	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: What am I missing?

I was checking out ended auctions on Ebay, and came across auction number 320813101112. A 332 that sold for about ten times what they were normally going for! It says it was DC, is that what makes it rare? I don't know all that much about "collectable" Flyer, this one has me scratching my head, can anyone tell me why it's special? Thanks, Al Reibel

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67212	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: Wheel Flage Repair

Broke? as in pieces, or just slipped off the white insulators? If the tires (rims) are intact, it is an easy fix. If "broken" they are easily replaced. Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 12/18/2011 3:34:14 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, yank7777@... writes: My Hudson 322's driver and middle wheel flanges needs to be replaced as they just broke off the wheel. Has anyone ever repaired/replaced them before? Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67213	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: Buildings and Structures

Timboy, How about Clever Models steel shed with windows? http://clevermodels.squarespace.com/models-gallery/ Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67214	From: Timboy	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: Buildings and Structures

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: > > Timboy, > > How about Clever Models steel shed with windows? > > http://clevermodels.squarespace.com/models-gallery/ > > > Brady Burdge > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Brady, I looked at those and others. Too expensive for my little budget, I'm afraid. There are some ideas being floated as we speak. I think I now know what to do, I just have to see if I can Stumpy it up. Regards, Timboy, The Wine Ideas On A Beer Budget Train Guy (aka Cheapskate Train Guy)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67215	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: Buildings and Structures

Timboy, FWIW It's $4.95 for the steel shed, but you download it and you can make as many as you want. I have their small company house, the kit has several different types of sidings, so for $7.95 and the cost of printing you could make an entire neighboorhood pretty cheap. Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67216	From: americanflyer1953	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: Wheel Flage Repair

Thanks for the quick response. The driver flange broke off at about 45% and the middle flange broke off at about 33%. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > Broke? as in pieces, or just slipped off the white insulators? If the tires > (rims) are intact, it is an easy fix. If "broken" they are easily > replaced. > > Steve > SnS Trains > > > In a message dated 12/18/2011 3:34:14 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > yank7777@... writes: > > > > > My Hudson 322's driver and middle wheel flanges needs to be replaced as > they just broke off the wheel. Has anyone ever repaired/replaced them before? > > Ray > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67217	From: Paul	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?

Al, the American Flyer price and rarity guide lists the '47 332 DC smoke in tender in the most desirable and rare class, it shows a price of (are you sitting down) $6000 for an excellent example, no box. we just got a peek at a rare piece. paul On 12/18/2011 6:54 PM, Alfred wrote: > > I was checking out ended auctions on Ebay, and came across auction > number 320813101112. A 332 that sold for about ten times what they > were normally going for! It says it was DC, is that what makes it > rare? I don't know all that much about "collectable" Flyer, this one > has me scratching my head, can anyone tell me why it's special? > Thanks, > Al Reibel > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67218	From: edwiehe1	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?

Smoke in tender, Ed --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alfred" <areibel@...> wrote: > > I was checking out ended auctions on Ebay, and came across auction number 320813101112. A 332 that sold for about ten times what they were normally going for! It says it was DC, is that what makes it rare? I don't know all that much about "collectable" Flyer, this one has me scratching my head, can anyone tell me why it's special? > Thanks, > Al Reibel >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67219	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?

Hi Al, The 1947 332 Smoke in Tender is very rare.  It is DC.  There were very few made and these usually came in the Complete Railroad System, which is also very rare.  Gilbert did not made a AC Northern until 1951. 1948, 1949, 1950 were DC.  I didn't see it on Ebay but it most likely went between $3,000 and $8,000. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Alfred <areibel@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] What am I missing?   I was checking out ended auctions on Ebay, and came across auction number 320813101112. A 332 that sold for about ten times what they were normally going for! It says it was DC, is that what makes it rare? I don't know all that much about "collectable" Flyer, this one has me scratching my head, can anyone tell me why it's special? Thanks, Al Reibel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67220	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: Buildings and Structures(stumpy style?)

If you are looking for materials that you have on hand already think outside the box and of the box its self--------Empty cereal boxs will yeild some card stock type material as will other such boxes from the store that otherwise would be thrown out. Tip 1 do not be in a rush to build things and experiment with new ideas. Tip 2 Walthers goo is great but need to be neat with it as it can be a mess with strings of glue if not carefull. --- On Sun, 12/18/11, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote: From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Buildings and Structures To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 18, 2011, 8:36 PM   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: > > Timboy, > > How about Clever Models steel shed with windows? > > http://clevermodels.squarespace.com/models-gallery/ > > > Brady Burdge > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Brady, I looked at those and others. Too expensive for my little budget, I'm afraid. There are some ideas being floated as we speak. I think I now know what to do, I just have to see if I can Stumpy it up. Regards, Timboy, The Wine Ideas On A Beer Budget Train Guy (aka Cheapskate Train Guy) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67221	From: americanflyer1953	Date: 12/18/2011
Subject: Re: Wheel Flage Repair

Thanks for the quick response. Yes in pieces. 45% broke off the driver wheel and about 33% off of the middle wheel. Ray --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, boss31@... wrote: > > Broke? as in pieces, or just slipped off the white insulators? If the tires > (rims) are intact, it is an easy fix. If "broken" they are easily > replaced. > > Steve > SnS Trains > > > In a message dated 12/18/2011 3:34:14 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > yank7777@... writes: > > > > > My Hudson 322's driver and middle wheel flanges needs to be replaced as > they just broke off the wheel. Has anyone ever repaired/replaced them before? > > Ray > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67222	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Buildings and Structures (stumpy style)

Brother Weidner has "caught the wind" and is off, sailing into the world of scratch building with unlimited possibilities. Sadly, very few others here seem to have figured that out , at least by the small number of hits on the scratch building guide on Chuck's My Flyer Trains site. I've heard all the excuses; I'm too young, too old, don't have time, don't have the skills, in other words "I can't do that" when it comes to kit bashing or scratch building. Are you afraid? Too lazy? Too rich? (Too rich? Now THERE's an oxymoron!) One of the worst things the model magazines have done to miniature train folks is publish stories and photos of fabulous, basement filling layouts and contest quality scratch built models. Those are only the very rare "tip of the iceberg." There are thousands of model train people who will never win a contest or fill a building with their stuff, but enjoy it just the same! There is a satisfaction that comes from building smething. Something that only you could make! Some of those with the great layouts and the contest quality models like to give the impression that they are special, "artists" with Superman-like abilities. Nothing could be further from the truth! ANYONE can build things! It's not "rocket science!" The materials need not be expensive, nor techniques hard to understand. Can you build a kit? Even a Plasticville building? Then you're halfway to bashing and scratch building. There is only ONE difference; you're making your own kit, then putting it together! There's a small group out there who have dared to try something new, and I encourage you to spread the word! I'm always available at mrstumpy@... (well, at least when the wife let's me) to trade ideas or help where I can. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67223	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?

Tom, I think you are mistaken. There were a few 1946 332s made with AC and 1948 was the first regular production year for AC 332s. The 47s are truly uncommon but not very rare. Harwood Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? Hi Al, The 1947 332 Smoke in Tender is very rare. It is DC. There were very few made and these usually came in the Complete Railroad System, which is also very rare. Gilbert did not made a AC Northern until 1951. 1948, 1949, 1950 were DC. I didn't see it on Ebay but it most likely went between $3,000 and $8,000. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Alfred <areibel@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] What am I missing? I was checking out ended auctions on Ebay, and came across auction number 320813101112. A 332 that sold for about ten times what they were normally going for! It says it was DC, is that what makes it rare? I don't know all that much about "collectable" Flyer, this one has me scratching my head, can anyone tell me why it's special? Thanks, Al Reibel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67224	From: altwwer@sbcglobal.net	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc

Gentlemen, I have several books on Flyer engines and parts and they are very sparse when discussing the 332DC and it's whistle. However, one book (Greenberg's American Flyer S Gauge Repair and Operating Manual, Second Edition, by Thomas Baker) does talk about the electronic whistle control. It even has a schematic of it. Seems it was a couple of NE2 neon oscillators and a vacuum tube amplifier. Put out about 600 cycle tone that the speaker in the tender reproduced. None of the information I have mentions anything about a choke coil in the tender just the capacitor and resistor. The connections for the electronic unit seem to be different than the vibrator unit. There are only three wires, a red, a yellow, and a black. The red connects to the 7 - 15 volt post and also to the track. The yellow connects to the other side of the track. The black wire connects to the base post. There is no connection from the base post to the track. Hope this helps. Al --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "George & Ruthanne Sorensen" <rags46@...> wrote: > > Dale, > The components in the 324AC, 334DC, and the 361 (all made in 1950) do differ from those made later that operate with the vibrator. The main difference is the speaker. These 1950 units have a plastic housing speaker and in the opening for the sound to come out there appears to be a metal disc. They also have a single 3 MFD capacitor wired in series as opposed to the dual capacitor units used later with the cardboard speaker. The 334DC engine/tender components appear to be exactly the same as the AC engines. However, I did buy that one from a vendor so it may have been altered. > By the way, these three locos will not operate from the vibrator whistle control. > I do agree with a comment made earlier that the separate plug in whistle controller probably does produce some type of AC signal/wave to activate the horn. As such, a momentary blast would probably not affect the loco running on DC. > We really need an expert like Dave Garrigaus or Andy Jugle to comment on this. > George > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67225	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing? Now Complete Railroad System

Hi Tom, What is the Complete Railroad System? Thanks, David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi Al, > The 1947 332 Smoke in Tender is very rare.  It is DC.  There were very few made and these usually came in the Complete Railroad System, which is also very rare.  Gilbert did not made a AC Northern until 1951. 1948, 1949, 1950 were DC.  I didn't see it on Ebay but it most likely went between $3,000 and $8,000. >   Tom Seccia > > > > ________________________________ > From: Alfred <areibel@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:54 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] What am I missing? > > >   > I was checking out ended auctions on Ebay, and came across auction number 320813101112. A 332 that sold for about ten times what they were normally going for! It says it was DC, is that what makes it rare? I don't know all that much about "collectable" Flyer, this one has me scratching my head, can anyone tell me why it's special? > Thanks, > Al Reibel > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67226	From: wd511@att.net	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Semaphore Sam short

I wired up an old previously used by someone else AF Sam and a new Lionel one so that pressing one button one track would be red and and the other crossing green. I should add that one I did do as an insulated track and the other I left as is. It was working just fine for months. Suddenly, both bulbs went out. Checking the wiring, I found where I joined the original yellow wire out to a yellow extension wire had come apart. However, when I rejoined them, there was a noticeable spark. I examined the underside of the Lionel control box I was using and noticed two of the built in connectors were very close and in fact touched at times. I put liquid electrical tape on them for insulation, but it has not helped. Upon examining the old AF control box, there is only one yellow wire coming out of the box, but the Lionel one has two wires. Furthermore, comparing the wiring diagram of the old Sam at Trainweb.org with the Lionel diagram shows a significant difference in wiring. So now I am confused as to the cause of the short and correct wiring. Also, in the process of this, one of the Sam light bulb sockets is now missing. Any ideas how to replace or substitute the socket? thank you.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67227	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: Wheel Flage Repair

You'll find instructions in one of our AF REPAIR CLINICS on our website. It's not a difficult repair. <<<My Hudson 322's driver and middle wheel flanges needs to be replaced as they just broke off the wheel. Has anyone ever repaired/replaced them before?>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67228	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: Rocket Car.

Sounds like that is a 45-degree rocket launcher (not a 90-degree). The rocket for the 45-degree launcher should have a solid insert in the bottom end of the tube. That insert is not present in the 90-degree rockets. We have inserts available, if needed, or entire rockets with the inserts. <<<I've got a Flyer Rocket car that will not seat the rocket into the launcher. Sitting here, I can't recall the number, but, this car features a blue cannon shaped box held in place by two screws at either end. I have had it apart and have re-assembled it without making any adjustments because I didn't want to make things worse>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67229	From: R G	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: Rocket Car.

Another area to examine is the pin and spring that keep the rocket launching plunger down.  I had a one where the pin would not hold the plunger in place when depressed by the rocket. ________________________________ From: r.borowski <r.borowski@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 7:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Rocket Car.   Check that the tail wings are positioned high enough on the rocket tube so that enough tube extends below those wings. The wings slide on the tube. A friend found this simple fix for me. Bob Sent from my iPad [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67230	From: Timboy	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: Buildings and Structures

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: > > Timboy, > > FWIW It's $4.95 for the steel shed, but you download it and you can make > as many as you want. > > I have their small company house, the kit has several different types of > sidings, so for $7.95 and the cost of printing you could make an entire > neighboorhood pretty cheap. > > Brady Burdge > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Brady, I took another look at them. I get that for $20-30, one could have a very good assortment of images to mix & match. I believe they can have a place on my layout. But they would most likely be up on the top, rear part. Their 2-dimensional shapes may give the illusion of more depth and distance up there. Down at face level where I am currently working, I think some 3-dimensional structures would be more convincing. Also, since they have to be fully integrated with the config of my accessories and their out-of-scale size - the structures will need to be somewhat out-of-scale as well. Looks like I'll be cutting down some scrap wood and trying my best to scratch-build something suitable. It may take some time, but eventually I'll post pics; even if my results are clumsy. Regards, Timboy, A Wannabe Stumpy Train Guy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67231	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: Wheel Flage Repair

Ray,      Yes, we do it on an almost daily basis. Dave LBR Enterprises,llc 502-292-1872   --- On Sun, 12/18/11, americanflyer1953 <yank7777@...> wrote: From: americanflyer1953 <yank7777@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Wheel Flage Repair To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 18, 2011, 5:20 PM   My Hudson 322's driver and middle wheel flanges needs to be replaced as they just broke off the wheel. Has anyone ever repaired/replaced them before? Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67232	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?

And Tom, I would'nt call them "Very Rare" either. I would just say that they are very uncommon. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2011 10:44 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? Hi Al, The 1947 332 Smoke in Tender is very rare. It is DC. There were very few made and these usually came in the Complete Railroad System, which is also very rare. Gilbert did not made a AC Northern until 1951. 1948, 1949, 1950 were DC. I didn't see it on Ebay but it most likely went between $3,000 and $8,000. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Alfred <areibel@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] What am I missing? I was checking out ended auctions on Ebay, and came across auction number 320813101112. A 332 that sold for about ten times what they were normally going for! It says it was DC, is that what makes it rare? I don't know all that much about "collectable" Flyer, this one has me scratching my head, can anyone tell me why it's special? Thanks, Al Reibel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67233	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: Buildings and Structures (stumpy style)

Stumpy,      We to are here to help the scratch builder. So lets get scratching ;o) Dave LBR Enterprises,llc 502-292-1872   --- On Mon, 12/19/11, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Buildings and Structures (stumpy style) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 19, 2011, 8:06 AM   Brother Weidner has "caught the wind" and is off, sailing into the world of scratch building with unlimited possibilities. Sadly, very few others here seem to have figured that out , at least by the small number of hits on the scratch building guide on Chuck's My Flyer Trains site. I've heard all the excuses; I'm too young, too old, don't have time, don't have the skills, in other words "I can't do that" when it comes to kit bashing or scratch building. Are you afraid? Too lazy? Too rich? (Too rich? Now THERE's an oxymoron!) One of the worst things the model magazines have done to miniature train folks is publish stories and photos of fabulous, basement filling layouts and contest quality scratch built models. Those are only the very rare "tip of the iceberg." There are thousands of model train people who will never win a contest or fill a building with their stuff, but enjoy it just the same! There is a satisfaction that comes from building smething. Something that only you could make! Some of those with the great layouts and the contest quality models like to give the impression that they are special, "artists" with Superman-like abilities. Nothing could be further from the truth! ANYONE can build things! It's not "rocket science!" The materials need not be expensive, nor techniques hard to understand. Can you build a kit? Even a Plasticville building? Then you're halfway to bashing and scratch building. There is only ONE difference; you're making your own kit, then putting it together! There's a small group out there who have dared to try something new, and I encourage you to spread the word! I'm always available at mrstumpy@... (well, at least when the wife let's me) to trade ideas or help where I can. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67234	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc

Al, If they used a "couple" of NE2 neon oscillators, that would have been an easy way to generate a multi-toned whistle. Any chance of sending me a copy of the schematic or of posting it to the group as I would be interested in it. Thanks, Jerry F. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of altwwer@... Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 10:29 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: DC Air Chime 332dc Gentlemen, I have several books on Flyer engines and parts and they are very sparse when discussing the 332DC and it's whistle. However, one book (Greenberg's American Flyer S Gauge Repair and Operating Manual, Second Edition, by Thomas Baker) does talk about the electronic whistle control. It even has a schematic of it. Seems it was a couple of NE2 neon oscillators and a vacuum tube amplifier. Put out about 600 cycle tone that the speaker in the tender reproduced. None of the information I have mentions anything about a choke coil in the tender just the capacitor and resistor. The connections for the electronic unit seem to be different than the vibrator unit. There are only three wires, a red, a yellow, and a black. The red connects to the 7 - 15 volt post and also to the track. The yellow connects to the other side of the track. The black wire connects to the base post. There is no connection from the base post to the track. Hope this helps. Al --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> , "George & Ruthanne Sorensen" <rags46@...> wrote: > > Dale, > The components in the 324AC, 334DC, and the 361 (all made in 1950) do differ from those made later that operate with the vibrator. The main difference is the speaker. These 1950 units have a plastic housing speaker and in the opening for the sound to come out there appears to be a metal disc. They also have a single 3 MFD capacitor wired in series as opposed to the dual capacitor units used later with the cardboard speaker. The 334DC engine/tender components appear to be exactly the same as the AC engines. However, I did buy that one from a vendor so it may have been altered. > By the way, these three locos will not operate from the vibrator whistle control. > I do agree with a comment made earlier that the separate plug in whistle controller probably does produce some type of AC signal/wave to activate the horn. As such, a momentary blast would probably not affect the loco running on DC. > We really need an expert like Dave Garrigaus or Andy Jugle to comment on this. > George > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67235	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: Classic Flyer Forsale

---------- Original Message ---------- From: Bob Iannacone <aftrains4u@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] Classic Flyer Forsale Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:48:47 -0700 (PDT) <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> Good afternoon members.� I have added 5 American Flyer train items�on my website www.americanflyertrains4u.com that you may have an interest in for your layout. � A 566 Whistling Billboard in excellent condition� @� $50.00 (no box). A nice 466 Comet Diesel @ $200.00. A K325 NYC Hudson with 4 cars in Set K5206W, @ $354.00� This 4 car set comes with�the rare�Red Caboose.��(no boxes) Another K325 Hudson @ $220.00 And, a Lionel/AF Alco ERIE trio, PA/PB/PA @ $275.00 (Boxes in fair condition).� � Thanks and have a great day. � Bob�� [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ____________________________________________________________ Drug Companies Hate Her! Local Mom Finds Way To Find Relief From Pain Naturally With No Side Effects! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4eefc2d6112d1c26cecst03vuc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67236	From: n9guy@juno.com	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: Fall S Fest C U THERE

---------- Original Message ---------- From: "earl.carlsen@..." <earl.carlsen@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Fall S Fest C U THERE Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 11:31:19 -0000 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> Earl, We can provide a meeting room for the group on Friday Evening, from 8:30 pm until no later than 10:00 pm. All the rooms are in a secured area, and limited solely to FSF-2011 Registrants with FSF-2011 Name Badges. The FSF-2011 Registration Packets will be available for pickup after 1:00 pm on Friday (10/28/2011). It's just for the fun of it!!! Moe Berk --- On Tue, 10/18/11, Carlsen, Earl W USA Moe, Is there an evening / room available at this S fest For the Flyer - Scale yahoo group members to meet & greet, and perhaps have a S gauge dialogue session? Is there already a plan in place? Looking forward for any help!! Earl W. Carlsen SMSG Treasurer Scale - flyer yahoo group member Friend of all things S..... ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67237	From: Timboy	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Fed-Up Shipping

Flyer Nation, Ditto and amen to what Stumpy posted. I couldn't agree more with the concept that the freakish few who are master modelers shouldn't put a damper on our meager efforts. WE are the 99%! Lol Actually, if I had one criticism to make of master modelers it would be that what they make is TOO perfect. Real structures that get hard use are not award-winning beauties. All that said, I'll toss my hat into the ring and show some progress on what I am trying to crudely lump together. There probably are as many ways to build as there are builders on this Forum. To see how I am attacking it, you are invited to visit: http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2011/12/fed-ups-shipping.html Regards, Timboy, A Wannabe Bob-The-Builder Train Guy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67238	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?

MM - how many have you both seen in your lifetimes? Uncommon means about six a year, rare means about 3 a year, very rare about one a year, ultra rare one every three years. Unique - self evident by definition.Alistair On Mon 19/12/11 1:35 PM , HOwingsiii@... sent: And Tom, I would'nt call them "Very Rare" either. I would just say that they are very uncommon. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2011 10:44 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? Hi Al, The 1947 332 Smoke in Tender is very rare. It is DC. There were very few made and these usually came in the Complete Railroad System, which is also very rare. Gilbert did not made a AC Northern until 1951. 1948, 1949, 1950 were DC. I didn't see it on Ebay but it most likely went between $3,000 and $8,000. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Alfred To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [4] Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] What am I missing? I was checking out ended auctions on Ebay, and came across auction number 320813101112. A 332 that sold for about ten times what they were normally going for! It says it was DC, is that what makes it rare? I don't know all that much about "collectable" Flyer, this one has me scratching my head, can anyone tell me why it's special? Thanks, Al Reibel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:trainsandhobbies@... [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] mailto:areibel@... [4] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [5] mailto:howingsiii@...?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20What%20am%20I%20missing%3F [6] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20What%20am%20I%20missing%3F [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvMWk4a2UxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzIzMgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjQzMzM0NTU-?act=reply&messageNum=67232 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjbnNmMXR2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQzMzM0NTU- [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/67211;_ylc=X3oDMTM0dDlsc2hzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzIzMgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQzMzM0NTUEdHBjSWQDNjcyMTE- [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkY29oYmxuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzI0MzMzNDU1?o=6 [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkYTRkcGF2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzI0MzMzNDU1 [12] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjcGQyamUyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQzMzM0NTU- [13] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [14] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15o82uih8/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1324340655/L=2f69ef5c-2a90-11e1-b002-27f30c075243/B=VaGpMUoGYko-/J=1324333455682981/K=YTNo8KJL43gmgU2t755Giw/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*<a href= [15] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiMDlnYzFpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMyNDMzMzQ1NQ-- [16] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional [17] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest [18] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [19] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67239	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc

Any chance of publishsing the schematic please? Alistair On Tue 20/12/11 3:59 AM , "altwwer@..." altwwer@... sent: Gentlemen, I have several books on Flyer engines and parts and they are very sparse when discussing the 332DC and it's whistle. However, one book (Greenberg's American Flyer S Gauge Repair and Operating Manual, Second Edition, by Thomas Baker) does talk about the electronic whistle control. It even has a schematic of it. Seems it was a couple of NE2 neon oscillators and a vacuum tube amplifier. Put out about 600 cycle tone that the speaker in the tender reproduced. None of the information I have mentions anything about a choke coil in the tender just the capacitor and resistor. The connections for the electronic unit seem to be different than the vibrator unit. There are only three wires, a red, a yellow, and a black. The red connects to the 7 - 15 volt post and also to the track. The yellow connects to the other side of the track. The black wire connects to the base post. There is no connection from the base post to the track. Hope this helps. Al --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1], "George & Ruthanne Sorensen" wrote: > > Dale, > The components in the 324AC, 334DC, and the 361 (all made in 1950) do differ from those made later that operate with the vibrator. The main difference is the speaker. These 1950 units have a plastic housing speaker and in the opening for the sound to come out there appears to be a metal disc. They also have a single 3 MFD capacitor wired in series as opposed to the dual capacitor units used later with the cardboard speaker. The 334DC engine/tender components appear to be exactly the same as the AC engines. However, I did buy that one from a vendor so it may have been altered. > By the way, these three locos will not operate from the vibrator whistle control. > I do agree with a comment made earlier that the separate plug in whistle controller probably does produce some type of AC signal/wave to activate the horn. As such, a momentary blast would probably not affect the loco running on DC. > We really need an expert like Dave Garrigaus or Andy Jugle to comment on this. > George > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] mailto:altwwer@...?subject=Re:%20DC%20Air%20Chime%20332dc [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20DC%20Air%20Chime%20332dc [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvcTJqOGU1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzIyNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjQzMzMzNTk-?act=reply&messageNum=67224 [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjcmo3NXVrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQzMzMzNTk- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/67119;_ylc=X3oDMTM0amozNGttBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzIyNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQzMzMzNTkEdHBjSWQDNjcxMTk- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkdnVpZzlxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzI0MzMzMzU5?o=6 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkcTlwMzE4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzI0MzMzMzU5 [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjcTBldmVyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQzMzMzNTk- [10] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [11] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15o4a0kse/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1324340559/L=f6251c6c-2a8f-11e1-a898-6308bd847a43/B=zlz8M0oGYvk-/J=1324333359635783/K=826xjh_vbm.DrS.iHKkrKA/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*<a href= [12] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiZjRqMWM5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMyNDMzMzM1OQ-- [13] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional [14] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest [15] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [16] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67240	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?

I replied Very Uncommon, I see 2 - 4 a year from different sources. Sometimes more than that. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: alizoo <alizoo@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Dec 19, 2011 7:29 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? MM - how many have you both seen in your lifetimes? Uncommon means about six a year, rare means about 3 a year, very rare about one a year, ultra rare one every three years. Unique - self evident by definition.Alistair On Mon 19/12/11 1:35 PM , HOwingsiii@... sent: And Tom, I would'nt call them "Very Rare" either. I would just say that they are very uncommon. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2011 10:44 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? Hi Al, The 1947 332 Smoke in Tender is very rare. It is DC. There were very few made and these usually came in the Complete Railroad System, which is also very rare. Gilbert did not made a AC Northern until 1951. 1948, 1949, 1950 were DC. I didn't see it on Ebay but it most likely went between $3,000 and $8,000. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Alfred To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [4] Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] What am I missing? I was checking out ended auctions on Ebay, and came across auction number 320813101112. A 332 that sold for about ten times what they were normally going for! It says it was DC, is that what makes it rare? I don't know all that much about "collectable" Flyer, this one has me scratching my head, can anyone tell me why it's special? Thanks, Al Reibel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:trainsandhobbies@... [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] mailto:areibel@... [4] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [5] mailto:howingsiii@...?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20What%20am%20I%20missing%3F [6] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20What%20am%20I%20missing%3F [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvMWk4a2UxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzIzMgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjQzMzM0NTU-?act=reply&messageNum=67232 [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjbnNmMXR2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQzMzM0NTU- [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/67211;_ylc=X3oDMTM0dDlsc2hzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzIzMgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQzMzM0NTUEdHBjSWQDNjcyMTE- [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkY29oYmxuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzI0MzMzNDU1?o=6 [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkYTRkcGF2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzI0MzMzNDU1 [12] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjcGQyamUyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQzMzM0NTU- [13] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [14] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15o82uih8/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1324340655/L=2f69ef5c-2a90-11e1-b002-27f30c075243/B=VaGpMUoGYko-/J=1324333455682981/K=YTNo8KJL43gmgU2t755Giw/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*<a href= [15] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiMDlnYzFpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMyNDMzMzQ1NQ-- [16] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional [17] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest [18] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [19] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67241	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing? Now Complete Railroad System

This set was numbered 4622A for 1947. It consisted of the following; 332DC, Red 718(red pick-up arm), 650, 652(long trucks), 654(long trucks) 342DC, 629, 633, 715(armored car), 634,631, 630 Accessories: 577, two 579, two 580, 589, 585, 750, 583, 581, 596, 586F, 578, 591, Blue Print, Track, trans. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Dec 19, 2011 5:23 pm Subject: [S-Trains] Re: What am I missing? Now Complete Railroad System Hi Tom, What is the Complete Railroad System? Thanks, David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi Al, > The 1947 332 Smoke in Tender is very rare. It is DC. There were very few made and these usually came in the Complete Railroad System, which is also very rare. Gilbert did not made a AC Northern until 1951. 1948, 1949, 1950 were DC. I didn't see it on Ebay but it most likely went between $3,000 and $8,000. > Tom Seccia > > > > ________________________________ > From: Alfred <areibel@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:54 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] What am I missing? > > >  > I was checking out ended auctions on Ebay, and came across auction number 320813101112. A 332 that sold for about ten times what they were normally going for! It says it was DC, is that what makes it rare? I don't know all that much about "collectable" Flyer, this one has me scratching my head, can anyone tell me why it's special? > Thanks, > Al Reibel > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67242	From: R G	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: Fed-Up Shipping

Tim!  Your Feds Up looks great.  I like how you are building a structure to incorporate the Flyer accessory.  Great job! Rich aka Major ________________________________ From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 7:15 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Fed-Up Shipping   Flyer Nation, Ditto and amen to what Stumpy posted. I couldn't agree more with the concept that the freakish few who are master modelers shouldn't put a damper on our meager efforts. WE are the 99%! Lol Actually, if I had one criticism to make of master modelers it would be that what they make is TOO perfect. Real structures that get hard use are not award-winning beauties. All that said, I'll toss my hat into the ring and show some progress on what I am trying to crudely lump together. There probably are as many ways to build as there are builders on this Forum. To see how I am attacking it, you are invited to visit: http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2011/12/fed-ups-shipping.html Regards, Timboy, A Wannabe Bob-The-Builder Train Guy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67243	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: What am I missing?

Well, I've seen one in my lifetime. (73 years). It's here in Boise. Been to lots of shows and meets and this is the only 332 SIT DC I have seen. I'd sure classify it as very rare.....Just MHO Steve SnS Trains In a message dated 12/19/2011 5:29:34 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, alizoo@... writes: MM - how many have you both seen in your lifetimes? Uncommon means about six a year, rare means about 3 a year, very rare about one a year, ultra rare one every three years. Unique - self evident by definition.Alistair On Mon 19/12/11 1:35 PM , _HOwingsiii@..._ (mailto:HOwingsiii@...) sent: And Tom, I would'nt call them "Very Rare" either. I would just say that they are very uncommon. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Seccia To: S-Trains Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2011 10:44 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? Hi Al, The 1947 332 Smoke in Tender is very rare. It is DC. There were very few made and these usually came in the Complete Railroad System, which is also very rare. Gilbert did not made a AC Northern until 1951. 1948, 1949, 1950 were DC. I didn't see it on Ebay but it most likely went between $3,000 and $8,000. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Alfred To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) [4] Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] What am I missing? I was checking out ended auctions on Ebay, and came across auction number 320813101112. A 332 that sold for about ten times what they were normally going for! It says it was DC, is that what makes it rare? I don't know all that much about "collectable" Flyer, this one has me scratching my head, can anyone tell me why it's special? Thanks, Al Reibel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - _http://www.adam.com.au/_ (http://www.adam.com.au/) Links: ------ [1] mailto:_trainsandhobbies@..._ (mailto:trainsandhobbies@...) 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 67244	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 12/19/2011
Subject: Re: Buildings and Structures (stumpy style)

If you can dream it you can pretty much build it, Any one on the list hear of the DELTA LINES ? There was an innovator of scratch building buildings as well as a great layout.   I grew up with Lego's, lincoln logs and some handme down erector sets so building from scratch is like being a kid again with an unlimited amount of imagination.   --- On Mon, 12/19/11, Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: From: Dave at LBR Enterprises <lbrenterprisesllc@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Buildings and Structures (stumpy style) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 19, 2011, 6:32 PM   Stumpy,      We to are here to help the scratch builder. So lets get scratching ;o) Dave LBR Enterprises,llc 502-292-1872   --- On Mon, 12/19/11, mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Buildings and Structures (stumpy style) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 19, 2011, 8:06 AM   Brother Weidner has "caught the wind" and is off, sailing into the world of scratch building with unlimited possibilities. Sadly, very few others here seem to have figured that out , at least by the small number of hits on the scratch building guide on Chuck's My Flyer Trains site. I've heard all the excuses; I'm too young, too old, don't have time, don't have the skills, in other words "I can't do that" when it comes to kit bashing or scratch building. Are you afraid? Too lazy? Too rich? (Too rich? Now THERE's an oxymoron!) One of the worst things the model magazines have done to miniature train folks is publish stories and photos of fabulous, basement filling layouts and contest quality scratch built models. Those are only the very rare "tip of the iceberg." There are thousands of model train people who will never win a contest or fill a building with their stuff, but enjoy it just the same! There is a satisfaction that comes from building smething. Something that only you could make! Some of those with the great layouts and the contest quality models like to give the impression that they are special, "artists" with Superman-like abilities. Nothing could be further from the truth! ANYONE can build things! It's not "rocket science!" The materials need not be expensive, nor techniques hard to understand. Can you build a kit? Even a Plasticville building? Then you're halfway to bashing and scratch building. There is only ONE difference; you're making your own kit, then putting it together! There's a small group out there who have dared to try something new, and I encourage you to spread the word! I'm always available at mrstumpy@... (well, at least when the wife let's me) to trade ideas or help where I can. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67245	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing? Now Complete Railroad System

Hi David, � The Complete Railroad System Set #4622 consisted of 2 sets of trains - One Set with a 332 Smoke in Tender Northern, Red 718 Mail Car (with red arm),  Red 650 Coach, Red 652 Coach & Red 654 Observation. One Set with a 342 Smoke in Tender 0-8-0 Switch, 629 MP StockCar, 715 Army Unloading Car,634 Searchlight Car, 631 T&P Gondola & 630 Reading Caboose. Along with the sets of trains the railroad system came with a large number of accessories.  577 BB Whistle, 579 Street Lamps, 580 Double Arc Lights, 589 Station, 581 Girder Bridge, 750 Trestle Bridge, 583 Magnetic Crane, 585 Tool Shed, 596 Water Tank, 586F Wayside Station, 578 Figure Set & 591 Crossing Gate. Also included track & 1 pair of 720 Switches.  Most important thing to complete this set is the #4622T Wiring Diagram.  Set was supposed to be made in 1946, but because there were no Northerns made it was reissued in 1947 with a #14 Rectiformer to run the DC locomotives.  This set is very rare or really uncommon. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:02 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: What am I missing? Now Complete Railroad System   Hi Tom, What is the Complete Railroad System? Thanks, David --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> wrote: > > Hi Al, > The 1947 332 Smoke in Tender is very rare.  It is DC.  There were very few made and these usually came in the Complete Railroad System, which is also very rare.  Gilbert did not made a AC Northern until 1951. 1948, 1949, 1950 were DC.  I didn't see it on Ebay but it most likely went between $3,000 and $8,000. >   Tom Seccia > > > > ________________________________ > From: Alfred <areibel@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:54 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] What am I missing? > > >   > I was checking out ended auctions on Ebay, and came across auction number 320813101112. A 332 that sold for about ten times what they were normally going for! It says it was DC, is that what makes it rare? I don't know all that much about "collectable" Flyer, this one has me scratching my head, can anyone tell me why it's special? > Thanks, > Al Reibel > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67246	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: Buildings and Structures

<< I took another look at them. I get that for $20-30, one could have a very good assortment of images to mix & match. I believe they can have a place on my layout. But they would most likely be up on the top, rear part. Their 2-dimensional shapes may give the illusion of more depth and distance up there...>> Timboy, From a distance no one would ever guess that they're cardstock.. http://www.trainlife.com/albums/photo/view/album_id/2940/photo_id/302447 http://www.trainlife.com/albums/photo/view/album_id/2940/photo_id/302448 http://www.trainlife.com/albums/photo/view/album_id/2940/photo_id/291019 http://www.trainlife.com/albums/photo/view/album_id/2940/photo_id/291017 http://www.trainlife.com/albums/photo/view/album_id/2940/photo_id/300021 Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67247	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?

Hi Harwood, � The 1947 is very rare.  It was never in full production. In some books, I've seen this locomotives listed as NRS. There are no AC Northerns until 1951. There were no 332 AC units in 1948, 1949 or 1950.  1950 productions were 334DC.  Are you telling me a 1947 332 Smoke in Tender Northern is not worth at least $3,000.  The original question was "What am I missing" why is a ebay listing worth 10 times what it usually sells.  Do you want to split hairs very rare or uncommon. � Tom ________________________________ From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing?   And Tom, I would'nt call them "Very Rare" either. I would just say that they are very uncommon. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2011 10:44 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? Hi Al, The 1947 332 Smoke in Tender is very rare. It is DC. There were very few made and these usually came in the Complete Railroad System, which is also very rare. Gilbert did not made a AC Northern until 1951. 1948, 1949, 1950 were DC. I didn't see it on Ebay but it most likely went between $3,000 and $8,000. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Alfred <areibel@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] What am I missing? I was checking out ended auctions on Ebay, and came across auction number 320813101112. A 332 that sold for about ten times what they were normally going for! It says it was DC, is that what makes it rare? I don't know all that much about "collectable" Flyer, this one has me scratching my head, can anyone tell me why it's special? Thanks, Al Reibel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67248	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: Fed-Up Shipping

Timboy, Very nice work Brady [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67249	From: Timboy	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: Buildings and Structures(stumpy style?)

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, weidner@... wrote: > > If you are looking for materials that you have on hand already think outside the box and of the box its self--------Empty cereal boxs will yeild some card stock type material as will other such boxes from the store that otherwise would be thrown out. Tip 1 do not be in a rush to build things and experiment with new ideas. Tip 2 Walthers goo is great but need to be neat with it as it can be a mess with strings of glue if not carefull. > > --- On Sun, 12/18/11, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > > From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Buildings and Structures > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, December 18, 2011, 8:36 PM > > > >   > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@> wrote: > > > > Timboy, > > > > How about Clever Models steel shed with windows? > > > > http://clevermodels.squarespace.com/models-gallery/ > > > > > > Brady Burdge > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Brady, > > I looked at those and others. Too expensive for my little budget, I'm afraid. There are some ideas being floated as we speak. I think I now know what to do, I just have to see if I can Stumpy it up. > > Regards, > Timboy, The Wine Ideas On A Beer Budget Train Guy (aka Cheapskate Train Guy) > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Weidner, Did you hear the skid mark on the 33 1/3 record just now? I did. Why am I using expensive sticks to build? Seems to me that I could "Weidner" up some "sticks" by ripping down cereal boxes, etc on my band saw with it's metal-cutting blade. Sometimes guys just need a slap upside the head. I gotta rip me down some sticks out of cardboard. Holy Duh, Build Man. Thanks! Timboy, The Blind Man On A Galloping Horse

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67250	From: charlie and edith	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: Smoke Units - Parts

Thanks Carl! Will do some shopping and see what I can turn up. It appears that model rocketry uses the wire for ignitors? Thanks for your donation of 'track' to the club. I will say HI to Craig and Don for you. Best wishes, Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: carl@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Smoke Units - Parts Charlie, I use Tiki Torch wicking. The 40 gauge nichrome wire can be found via Google. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of charlie and edith Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:46 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke Units - Parts Greetings! Need some wick material and wire sold seperately, not in a "kit" format. Any thoughts on who might still sell these as seperate items? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67251	From: carl@tuveson.com	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: Smoke Units - Parts

Charlie, There are usually some good buys on Nichrome wire on E-bay. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of charlie and edith Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:39 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Smoke Units - Parts Thanks Carl! Will do some shopping and see what I can turn up. It appears that model rocketry uses the wire for ignitors? Thanks for your donation of 'track' to the club. I will say HI to Craig and Don for you. Best wishes, Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: carl@... To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 10:09 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Smoke Units - Parts Charlie, I use Tiki Torch wicking. The 40 gauge nichrome wire can be found via Google. Carl -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of charlie and edith Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:46 PM To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Smoke Units - Parts Greetings! Need some wick material and wire sold seperately, not in a "kit" format. Any thoughts on who might still sell these as seperate items? Thanks for your thoughts and best wishes, Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67252	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: Buildings and Structures(stumpy style?)

I thought the sticks  looked very cool and well done, I used a combination of balsa and cardboard to build a flat and a hopper car, I am planning an all card stock building flat with 3D details(windows, doors, down spouts electric box and brick detail)as a test of technique and will resist the temptation to use commercialy produced details.   My layout is still under construction, Lionel half needs wired up and some more accessories added for interest, The American flyer half is still in planning stage and is covered with a collection 1:64 30's 40's and 50's autos.   --- On Mon, 12/19/11, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote: From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Buildings and Structures(stumpy style?) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 19, 2011, 9:56 PM   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, weidner@... wrote: > > If you are looking for materials that you have on hand already think outside the box and of the box its self--------Empty cereal boxs will yeild some card stock type material as will other such boxes from the store that otherwise would be thrown out. Tip 1 do not be in a rush to build things and experiment with new ideas. Tip 2 Walthers goo is great but need to be neat with it as it can be a mess with strings of glue if not carefull. > > --- On Sun, 12/18/11, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > > From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Buildings and Structures > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, December 18, 2011, 8:36 PM > > > >   > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@> wrote: > > > > Timboy, > > > > How about Clever Models steel shed with windows? > > > > http://clevermodels.squarespace.com/models-gallery/ > > > > > > Brady Burdge > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Brady, > > I looked at those and others. Too expensive for my little budget, I'm afraid. There are some ideas being floated as we speak. I think I now know what to do, I just have to see if I can Stumpy it up. > > Regards, > Timboy, The Wine Ideas On A Beer Budget Train Guy (aka Cheapskate Train Guy) > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Weidner, Did you hear the skid mark on the 33 1/3 record just now? I did. Why am I using expensive sticks to build? Seems to me that I could "Weidner" up some "sticks" by ripping down cereal boxes, etc on my band saw with it's metal-cutting blade. Sometimes guys just need a slap upside the head. I gotta rip me down some sticks out of cardboard. Holy Duh, Build Man. Thanks! Timboy, The Blind Man On A Galloping Horse [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67253	From: Timboy	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: Buildings and Structures

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@...> wrote: > > << I took another look at them. I get that for $20-30, one could have > a very good assortment of images to mix & match. I believe they can have > a place on my layout. But they would most likely be up on the top, rear > part. Their 2-dimensional shapes may give the illusion of more depth and > distance up there...>> > > Timboy, > > From a distance no one would ever guess that they're cardstock.. > > http://www.trainlife.com/albums/photo/view/album_id/2940/photo_id/302447 > > http://www.trainlife.com/albums/photo/view/album_id/2940/photo_id/302448 > > http://www.trainlife.com/albums/photo/view/album_id/2940/photo_id/291019 > > http://www.trainlife.com/albums/photo/view/album_id/2940/photo_id/291017 > > http://www.trainlife.com/albums/photo/view/album_id/2940/photo_id/300021 > > > Brady Burdge > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Brady, Point well taken! If you consider how expensive those sticks are that I am using, the cardstock models are cheap by comparison. And no one can argue with their paint jobs! Weidner made me realize last night that I need to rip down my own sticks out of what otherwise would be household refuse. That's pretty much how I built my railroad; a lot of salvaged wood, real gravel screened down for ballast, sawdust in my "oatmeal", cardboard lattice ripped down from boxes pulled out of dumpsters, real dirt sifted, cans of "mistake paint" from Homey D's, etc. I splurged on wood sticks to see if scratch-building was doable for me. Now that I believe it is, it's time for me to get real again. I'll do some cardstock models, too. Thanks again. Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67254	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: CARDBOARD BUILDINGS

I don't know wether this will come through or not...... Its the old Railroad Staiton in Thermopolis, Wyoming that I have been playing with for a couple years. I haven't finished the roof yet but close..... Thought I would see if anybody is interested.... All you need to do is print it on paper, glue it to cardboard, color it, and cut out... size is 18" x 24" and its to 3/16" scale.... I think I will try to do a Company House like is in Widen, Wv for fun..... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67255	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Gondola Canisters

I am looking for two or three of the AF gondola canisters for a project I am working on. Bad lettering and paint is o.k. since they are going to be repainted anyway. Contact me off list if you might be of help. Thanks, Rich

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67256	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Buildings and structures

Model building materials are all around you! While I like hobby shop stripwood and scribed balsa sheet because it gives dimensionally correct sizes, there are all kinds of things you can do. Popcicle sticks and coffee stirring sticks are commonly used by scratch builders. Similar to those are "craft sticks" availible at craft stores. They come in different sizes too. Different size dowels can be cut into air tanks for under freight cars, or used as logs or poles as car loads. Cardboard, plastic or metal tubing has dozens of uses, and small electronius wire can be made to represent water hose or lines. Craft stores like Micheals are jammed with neat stuff that can be used for model trains, so wander through every department! Common, everyday items can yield materials too. Dad used to make oil storage tanks out of Quaker oatmeal cylinder boxes for the design firm he modeled for. One time he even made tires for two forklifts out of Cheerios cereal! He always kept toilet paper and paper towel tubes, 3x5 and 5x7 file cards, and sewing thread spools on hand. Today's fancy business cards make fine "side of building" advertising signs or small billboards. Gears out of old computer scanners and printers, or any other electrical device make nice sawmill blades. There's a very old saying that "One man's trash is another man's treasure." The stuff is out there, all you have to do is "see" what it COULD be! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67257	From: Stanley Sobieski	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: Gondola Canisters

Hi Rich Since you are going to repaint you might want to see if any repro's are around. Check with Tom or Doug, I know Todd Metcalf of Trains and more had some Good Luck Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: acgilbertguy To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:28 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Gondola Canisters I am looking for two or three of the AF gondola canisters for a project I am working on. Bad lettering and paint is o.k. since they are going to be repainted anyway. Contact me off list if you might be of help. Thanks, Rich [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67258	From: R G	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: CARDBOARD BUILDINGS

Lehigh Valley Models kits are only a step removed from scratch building and if you have the skills to build one of their kits you have the skills to scratch build your own buildings ________________________________ From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 9:02 AM Subject: [S-Trains] CARDBOARD BUILDINGS   I don't know wether this will come through or not...... Its the old Railroad Staiton in Thermopolis, Wyoming that I have been playing with for a couple years. I haven't finished the roof yet but close..... Thought I would see if anybody is interested.... All you need to do is print it on paper, glue it to cardboard, color it, and cut out... size is 18" x 24" and its to 3/16" scale.... I think I will try to do a Company House like is in Widen, Wv for fun..... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67259	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: CARDBOARD BUILDINGS

THE PDF FILE, ATTACHED,  DID NOT COME THROUGH.... Email me at rcon7@... and I will send it..... Bob --- On Tue, 12/20/11, Robert Conner <rcon7@...> wrote: From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> Subject: [S-Trains] CARDBOARD BUILDINGS To: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, December 20, 2011, 9:02 AM   I don't know wether this will come through or not...... Its the old Railroad Staiton in Thermopolis, Wyoming that I have been playing with for a couple years. I haven't finished the roof yet but close..... Thought I would see if anybody is interested.... All you need to do is print it on paper, glue it to cardboard, color it, and cut out... size is 18" x 24" and its to 3/16" scale.... I think I will try to do a Company House like is in Widen, Wv for fun..... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67260	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: CARDBOARD BUILDINGS

Hi Bob, It did not come through. Try posting it to a photo album. My wife and I visited Thermopolis on our honeymoon, 43 years ago. I would like to see what you have. Merry Christmas, Bill Bill Porter South Florida On 12/20/2011 9:02 AM, Robert Conner wrote: > I don't know wether this will come through or not...... > Its the old Railroad Staiton in Thermopolis, Wyoming that I have been playing with for a couple years. I haven't finished the roof yet but close..... Thought I would see if anybody is interested.... > All you need to do is print it on paper, glue it to cardboard, color it, and cut out... size is 18" x 24" and its to 3/16" scale.... I think I will try to do a Company House like is in Widen, Wv for fun..... > Bob Conner > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67261	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: Gondola Canisters

Hi Rich, � I have those cannisters upainted. Please contact me off list seccia@.... � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: acgilbertguy <milepost407@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:28 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Gondola Canisters   I am looking for two or three of the AF gondola canisters for a project I am working on. Bad lettering and paint is o.k. since they are going to be repainted anyway. Contact me off list if you might be of help. Thanks, Rich [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67262	From: altwwer@sbcglobal.net	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc

Gentlemen, Now theres a kettle. I am reluctant to send out or post the schematic due to copyright issues. Perhaps you can find the book at a library or at one of the on line book stores. Greenberg's American Flyer S Gauge Repair and Operating Manual Second Edition By Thomas B. Baker ISBN 89778-017-5 Published by Greenberg Publishing Company, Inc. It is a simple circuit. There are two NE2 oscillators, a resistor in series with a NE2 neon lamp and a capacitor across the lamp. The tube was a 117P7, a combination Pentode amplifier and a rectifier with a 117 volt filament. The tube fed the track through an output transformer and a 25MFD capacitor. To activate the whistle a pushbutton inserted a choke in the base lead between the black and the yellow wire and connected the output of the amplifier to the yellow lead. There is no information on the output transformer or the ckoke. You could probably do something similar by using the coil out of a old Lionel 167 whistle controller and using a 25MFD capacitor to connect the output of a transistor amplifier to the track. Maybe some of the other Flyer people out there may have a better idea or you might find the book. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, alizoo@... wrote: > > Any chance of publishsing the schematic please? Alistair > On Tue 20/12/11 3:59 AM , "altwwer@..." > altwwer@... sent: > Gentlemen, > I have several books on Flyer engines and parts and they are very > sparse when discussing the 332DC and it's whistle. However, one book > (Greenberg's American Flyer S Gauge Repair and Operating Manual, > Second Edition, by Thomas Baker) does talk about the electronic > whistle control. It even has a schematic of it. Seems it was a couple > of NE2 neon oscillators and a vacuum tube amplifier. Put out about 600 > cycle tone that the speaker in the tender reproduced. None of the > information I have mentions anything about a choke coil in the tender > just the capacitor and resistor. The connections for the electronic > unit seem to be different than the vibrator unit. There are only > three wires, a red, a yellow, and a black. The red connects to the 7 > - 15 volt post and also to the track. The yellow connects to the > other side of the track. The black wire connects to the base post. > There is no connection from the base post to the track. Hope this > helps. > Al > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1], "George & Ruthanne Sorensen" > wrote: > > > > Dale, > > The components in the 324AC, 334DC, and the 361 (all made in 1950) > do differ from those made later that operate with the vibrator. The > main difference is the speaker. These 1950 units have a plastic > housing speaker and in the opening for the sound to come out there > appears to be a metal disc. They also have a single 3 MFD capacitor > wired in series as opposed to the dual capacitor units used later > with the cardboard speaker. The 334DC engine/tender components > appear to be exactly the same as the AC engines. However, I did buy > that one from a vendor so it may have been altered. > > By the way, these three locos will not operate from the vibrator > whistle control. > > I do agree with a comment made earlier that the separate plug in > whistle controller probably does produce some type of AC signal/wave > to activate the horn. As such, a momentary blast would probably not > affect the loco running on DC. > > We really need an expert like Dave Garrigaus or Andy Jugle to > comment on this. > > George > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - > http://www.adam.com.au/ > > Links: > ------ > [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > [2] > mailto:altwwer@...?subject=Re:%20DC%20Air%20Chime%20332dc > [3] > mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20DC%20Air%20Chime%20332dc > [4] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvcTJqOGU1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzIyNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjQzMzMzNTk-?act=reply&messageNum=67224 > [5] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjcmo3NXVrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQzMzMzNTk- > [6] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/67119;_ylc=X3oDMTM0amozNGttBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzIyNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQzMzMzNTkEdHBjSWQDNjcxMTk- > [7] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkdnVpZzlxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzI0MzMzMzU5?o=6 > [8] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkcTlwMzE4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzI0MzMzMzU5 > [9] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjcTBldmVyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQzMzMzNTk- > [10] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ > [11] > http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15o4a0kse/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1324340559/L=f6251c6c-2a8f-11e1-a898-6308bd847a43/B=zlz8M0oGYvk-/J=1324333359635783/K=826xjh_vbm.DrS.iHKkrKA/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*<a > href= > [12] > http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiZjRqMWM5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMyNDMzMzM1OQ-- > [13] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change > Delivery Format: Traditional > [14] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: > Digest > [15] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe > [16] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67263	From: Dave	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: SCULLIN DISC HUBS Arrived (advertisement)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 67264	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?

Correction 332(AC), !948. Would you like a picture of two of them? -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Dec 20, 2011 5:26 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? Hi Harwood, � The 1947 is very rare. It was never in full production. In some books, I've seen this locomotives listed as NRS. There are no AC Northerns until 1951. There were no 332 AC units in 1948, 1949 or 1950. 1950 productions were 334DC. Are you telling me a 1947 332 Smoke in Tender Northern is not worth at least $3,000. The original question was "What am I missing" why is a ebay listing worth 10 times what it usually sells. Do you want to split hairs very rare or uncommon. � Tom ________________________________ From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? And Tom, I would'nt call them "Very Rare" either. I would just say that they are very uncommon. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2011 10:44 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? Hi Al, The 1947 332 Smoke in Tender is very rare. It is DC. There were very few made and these usually came in the Complete Railroad System, which is also very rare. Gilbert did not made a AC Northern until 1951. 1948, 1949, 1950 were DC. I didn't see it on Ebay but it most likely went between $3,000 and $8,000. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Alfred <areibel@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] What am I missing? I was checking out ended auctions on Ebay, and came across auction number 320813101112. A 332 that sold for about ten times what they were normally going for! It says it was DC, is that what makes it rare? I don't know all that much about "collectable" Flyer, this one has me scratching my head, can anyone tell me why it's special? Thanks, Al Reibel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67265	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?

Tom, what year was the 332AC made? -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Dec 20, 2011 5:26 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? Hi Harwood, � The 1947 is very rare. It was never in full production. In some books, I've seen this locomotives listed as NRS. There are no AC Northerns until 1951. There were no 332 AC units in 1948, 1949 or 1950. 1950 productions were 334DC. Are you telling me a 1947 332 Smoke in Tender Northern is not worth at least $3,000. The original question was "What am I missing" why is a ebay listing worth 10 times what it usually sells. Do you want to split hairs very rare or uncommon. � Tom ________________________________ From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? And Tom, I would'nt call them "Very Rare" either. I would just say that they are very uncommon. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2011 10:44 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? Hi Al, The 1947 332 Smoke in Tender is very rare. It is DC. There were very few made and these usually came in the Complete Railroad System, which is also very rare. Gilbert did not made a AC Northern until 1951. 1948, 1949, 1950 were DC. I didn't see it on Ebay but it most likely went between $3,000 and $8,000. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Alfred <areibel@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] What am I missing? I was checking out ended auctions on Ebay, and came across auction number 320813101112. A 332 that sold for about ten times what they were normally going for! It says it was DC, is that what makes it rare? I don't know all that much about "collectable" Flyer, this one has me scratching my head, can anyone tell me why it's special? Thanks, Al Reibel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67266	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?

Tom, see item # 220906008762 on ebay -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Dec 20, 2011 5:26 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? Hi Harwood, � The 1947 is very rare. It was never in full production. In some books, I've seen this locomotives listed as NRS. There are no AC Northerns until 1951. There were no 332 AC units in 1948, 1949 or 1950. 1950 productions were 334DC. Are you telling me a 1947 332 Smoke in Tender Northern is not worth at least $3,000. The original question was "What am I missing" why is a ebay listing worth 10 times what it usually sells. Do you want to split hairs very rare or uncommon. � Tom ________________________________ From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? And Tom, I would'nt call them "Very Rare" either. I would just say that they are very uncommon. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2011 10:44 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? Hi Al, The 1947 332 Smoke in Tender is very rare. It is DC. There were very few made and these usually came in the Complete Railroad System, which is also very rare. Gilbert did not made a AC Northern until 1951. 1948, 1949, 1950 were DC. I didn't see it on Ebay but it most likely went between $3,000 and $8,000. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Alfred <areibel@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] What am I missing? I was checking out ended auctions on Ebay, and came across auction number 320813101112. A 332 that sold for about ten times what they were normally going for! It says it was DC, is that what makes it rare? I don't know all that much about "collectable" Flyer, this one has me scratching my head, can anyone tell me why it's special? Thanks, Al Reibel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67267	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?

Hi Harwood, � The year was 1951.  Prior to that there were no AC Northerns with the exception of 1946.  The frame PA10591 was made in 1948 which would have holes for a reverse unit in the tender so a possibility exists that Gilbert could have made an AC version.  Do you have any factory information that would support that theory?  If you have a 1947 SIT Northern, maybe you can look on the bottom of the tender frame for a PA number. � Tom ________________________________ From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing?   Tom, what year was the 332AC made? -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Dec 20, 2011 5:26 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? Hi Harwood, � The 1947 is very rare. It was never in full production. In some books, I've seen this locomotives listed as NRS. There are no AC Northerns until 1951. There were no 332 AC units in 1948, 1949 or 1950. 1950 productions were 334DC. Are you telling me a 1947 332 Smoke in Tender Northern is not worth at least $3,000. The original question was "What am I missing" why is a ebay listing worth 10 times what it usually sells. Do you want to split hairs very rare or uncommon. � Tom ________________________________ From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? And Tom, I would'nt call them "Very Rare" either. I would just say that they are very uncommon. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2011 10:44 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? Hi Al, The 1947 332 Smoke in Tender is very rare. It is DC. There were very few made and these usually came in the Complete Railroad System, which is also very rare. Gilbert did not made a AC Northern until 1951. 1948, 1949, 1950 were DC. I didn't see it on Ebay but it most likely went between $3,000 and $8,000. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Alfred <areibel@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] What am I missing? I was checking out ended auctions on Ebay, and came across auction number 320813101112. A 332 that sold for about ten times what they were normally going for! It says it was DC, is that what makes it rare? I don't know all that much about "collectable" Flyer, this one has me scratching my head, can anyone tell me why it's special? Thanks, Al Reibel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67268	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?

Hi Harwood, Please send me the pictures. A 1948 AC version of a Northern would be very rare or very uncommon considering there were not any cataloged. Doyle's book reads that some AC examples were reported from 1949.  Ask yourself this question, why would A.C. Gilbert make a AC Northern and not put it in a catalog to sell it.  If these were made these should be listed in the price guides as NRS. Tom ________________________________ From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing?   Correction 332(AC), !948. Would you like a picture of two of them? -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Dec 20, 2011 5:26 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? Hi Harwood, � The 1947 is very rare. It was never in full production. In some books, I've seen this locomotives listed as NRS. There are no AC Northerns until 1951. There were no 332 AC units in 1948, 1949 or 1950. 1950 productions were 334DC. Are you telling me a 1947 332 Smoke in Tender Northern is not worth at least $3,000. The original question was "What am I missing" why is a ebay listing worth 10 times what it usually sells. Do you want to split hairs very rare or uncommon. � Tom ________________________________ From: "HOwingsiii@..." <HOwingsiii@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? And Tom, I would'nt call them "Very Rare" either. I would just say that they are very uncommon. Harwood -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2011 10:44 pm Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? Hi Al, The 1947 332 Smoke in Tender is very rare. It is DC. There were very few made and these usually came in the Complete Railroad System, which is also very rare. Gilbert did not made a AC Northern until 1951. 1948, 1949, 1950 were DC. I didn't see it on Ebay but it most likely went between $3,000 and $8,000. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Alfred <areibel@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] What am I missing? I was checking out ended auctions on Ebay, and came across auction number 320813101112. A 332 that sold for about ten times what they were normally going for! It says it was DC, is that what makes it rare? I don't know all that much about "collectable" Flyer, this one has me scratching my head, can anyone tell me why it's special? Thanks, Al Reibel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67269	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: Buildings and structures

Some of the dollar stores carry poster board and other building materials, they're cheaper than Hobby Lobby Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67270	From: Robert Conner	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: CARDBOARD BUILDINGS

Not finished, but a good start.... need to add details, etc.... If you try it send me a comment or pic...Bob --- On Tue, 12/20/11, R G <keyhole_corona@...> wrote: From: R G <keyhole_corona@...> Subject: Re: [S-Trains] CARDBOARD BUILDINGS To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, December 20, 2011, 1:30 PM   Lehigh Valley Models kits are only a step removed from scratch building and if you have the skills to build one of their kits you have the skills to scratch build your own buildings ________________________________ From: Robert Conner <rcon7@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 9:02 AM Subject: [S-Trains] CARDBOARD BUILDINGS   I don't know wether this will come through or not...... Its the old Railroad Staiton in Thermopolis, Wyoming that I have been playing with for a couple years. I haven't finished the roof yet but close..... Thought I would see if anybody is interested.... All you need to do is print it on paper, glue it to cardboard, color it, and cut out... size is 18" x 24" and its to 3/16" scale.... I think I will try to do a Company House like is in Widen, Wv for fun..... Bob Conner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67271	From: Dale F. Smith	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?

A very interesting discussion. There is clearly a discrepancy between two source books. The Greenberg guide says AC Northern's were made in 47 and 48. Bob Bubeck' Guide supports Tom's contention that no AC locomotives were made until 1951, with the possible exception of some pre production models, which as I understand had been made up for the 1946 New York Toy Fair. I think Bob (and Tom) are correct. I wrote about this on the American Flyer Displays website, as it was relevant to Gilbert's suggestion to dealers that they use the "Complete Railroad System," namely set 4622 as a store display. The only problem is there were none available. In that case, Gilbert did the exact opposite of what Tom questions below. He put it in the catalog, but didn't make it. I think they cataloged stuff they didn't produce, and produced stuff they didn't catalog. See the discussion of this issue on the website at http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/promotional_layouts/complete_railroad_system.htm A lot of the discussion is based on lengthy correspondence with Lonny Beno who also provided the dealer catalogs in which Gilbert suggested this set as a promotional display. One further puzzlement is why, when the set eventually came out, it was numbered 4622A. I thought the A usually designated an AC set? Any thoughts? Dale Smith On 12/20/2011 4:29 PM, Sheila Seccia wrote: > > Hi Harwood, > ... Ask yourself this question, why would A.C. Gilbert make a AC > Northern and not put it in a catalog to sell it. If these were made > these should be listed in the price guides as NRS. > Tom > > ________________________________ > From: "HOwingsiii@... <mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com>" > <HOwingsiii@... <mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com>> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:12 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? > > > > Correction 332(AC), !948. Would you like a picture of two of them? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@... > <mailto:trainsandhobbies%40yahoo.com>> > To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tue, Dec 20, 2011 5:26 pm > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? > > Hi Harwood, > � The 1947 is very rare. It was never in full production. In some > books, I've seen this locomotives listed as NRS. There are no AC > Northerns until 1951. There were no 332 AC units in 1948, 1949 or > 1950. 1950 productions were 334DC. Are you telling me a 1947 332 Smoke > in Tender Northern is not worth at least $3,000. The original question > was "What am I missing" why is a ebay listing worth 10 times what it > usually sells. Do you want to split hairs very rare or uncommon. > � Tom > > ________________________________ > From: "HOwingsiii@... <mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com>" > <HOwingsiii@... <mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com>> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:05 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? > > And Tom, I would'nt call them "Very Rare" either. I would just say > that they are very uncommon. > > Harwood > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@... > <mailto:trainsandhobbies%40yahoo.com>> > To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2011 10:44 pm > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? > > Hi Al, > The 1947 332 Smoke in Tender is very rare. It is DC. There were very > few made and these usually came in the Complete Railroad System, which > is also very rare. Gilbert did not made a AC Northern until 1951. > 1948, 1949, 1950 were DC. I didn't see it on Ebay but it most likely > went between $3,000 and $8,000. > � Tom Seccia > > ________________________________ > From: Alfred <areibel@... <mailto:areibel%40netscape.net>> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:54 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] What am I missing? > > I was checking out ended auctions on Ebay, and came across auction > number 320813101112. A 332 that sold for about ten times what they > were normally going for! It says it was DC, is that what makes it > rare? I don't know all that much about "collectable" Flyer, this one > has me scratching my head, can anyone tell me why it's special? > Thanks, > Al Reibel > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67272	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: AFL Handcar - Still Trying to Fix It

Hi All, I've just spent 4 hours trying to shim the limit switches in the AFL handcar to get both to close at the same time. After close examination of the slider bar there appears to be nothing wrong with it. One arm is shorter than the other but this one bumps into a stop on the shell, so if it were longer neither switch would close. There appears to be too much clearance between the limit switches and the slider so I decided to place shims of cardstock between the swithes and the chassis. I started with one shim and worked my way up to five shims. With four shims it would only reverse if I held the slider in one position not quite all the way to the stop. Of course when running the slider bar moves from one stop to the other so this did not solve the problem, but it's as close as I've gotten to get this thing to run in reverse. I'll put this little piece of crap back on the shelf until after the new year and then decide if it's worth any more of my time. I hate to give up on anything and rarely do but this might be one of those times. BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67273	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: DC Air Chime 332dc

We carry Tom's book on CD-ROM. Tom bought back the rights to the book from Kalmbach, and re-issued it on CD-ROM. One advantage of the CD is that it also includes some video clips of his repair techniques. You can order it from our website AF REPAIR PARTS catalog, listed under "Software". <<< Perhaps you can find the book at a library or at one of the on line book stores. Greenberg's American Flyer S Gauge Repair and Operating Manual Second Edition By Thomas B. Barker>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67274	From: Don Abrams	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: 332 Northerns

I believe the problem with the '48 & '49 332 identification lies in the fact(?) that the designation of 'AC' or 'DC did not appear on the cab. The 1984, 1988, and 1991 Greenberg's guides (hardcover editions) all contain reference to AC versions of the 332. The presence of a reverse unit and a 4-wire harness without the AC letters following 332 on the cab would be a dead giveaway. To look in the catalogs however you would think they didn't exist. Maybe they were separate sale or stocked by dealers to substitute for a DC engine in a set to make a sale? Don Abrams P.S. I think that the lack of consistency of putting AC or DC following the cab number also applied to the 342 Nickel Plate switchers in those years. My 2 cents.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67275	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/20/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?

Hi Dale,                          The correct number for the set number is 4622.  The 1946 Price List reads 4622A.  I have no idea what the A means. 4622T is the number for the wiring diagram. Many of the 1946 cataloged sets were not made or sold and cataloged and sold in 1947.  A 1946 0-8-0 Switcher that is AC with Smoke-in-Tender may solve a lot of the questions with the AC Northerns.  These are very hard to find.  Since 1946 was the first year of American Flyer "S" Gauge there were many production problems and many items in that catalog were not made.                                          Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Dale F. Smith <dalefsmith@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing?   A very interesting discussion. There is clearly a discrepancy between two source books. The Greenberg guide says AC Northern's were made in 47 and 48. Bob Bubeck' Guide supports Tom's contention that no AC locomotives were made until 1951, with the possible exception of some pre production models, which as I understand had been made up for the 1946 New York Toy Fair. I think Bob (and Tom) are correct. I wrote about this on the American Flyer Displays website, as it was relevant to Gilbert's suggestion to dealers that they use the "Complete Railroad System," namely set 4622 as a store display. The only problem is there were none available. In that case, Gilbert did the exact opposite of what Tom questions below. He put it in the catalog, but didn't make it. I think they cataloged stuff they didn't produce, and produced stuff they didn't catalog. See the discussion of this issue on the website at http://www.americanflyerdisplays.org/promotional_layouts/complete_railroad_system.htm A lot of the discussion is based on lengthy correspondence with Lonny Beno who also provided the dealer catalogs in which Gilbert suggested this set as a promotional display. One further puzzlement is why, when the set eventually came out, it was numbered 4622A. I thought the A usually designated an AC set? Any thoughts? Dale Smith On 12/20/2011 4:29 PM, Sheila Seccia wrote: > > Hi Harwood, > ... Ask yourself this question, why would A.C. Gilbert make a AC > Northern and not put it in a catalog to sell it. If these were made > these should be listed in the price guides as NRS. > Tom > > ________________________________ > From: "HOwingsiii@... <mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com>" > <HOwingsiii@... <mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com>> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:12 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? > > > > Correction 332(AC), !948. Would you like a picture of two of them? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@... > <mailto:trainsandhobbies%40yahoo.com>> > To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tue, Dec 20, 2011 5:26 pm > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? > > Hi Harwood, > � The 1947 is very rare. It was never in full production. In some > books, I've seen this locomotives listed as NRS. There are no AC > Northerns until 1951. There were no 332 AC units in 1948, 1949 or > 1950. 1950 productions were 334DC. Are you telling me a 1947 332 Smoke > in Tender Northern is not worth at least $3,000. The original question > was "What am I missing" why is a ebay listing worth 10 times what it > usually sells. Do you want to split hairs very rare or uncommon. > � Tom > > ________________________________ > From: "HOwingsiii@... <mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com>" > <HOwingsiii@... <mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com>> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:05 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? > > And Tom, I would'nt call them "Very Rare" either. I would just say > that they are very uncommon. > > Harwood > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@... > <mailto:trainsandhobbies%40yahoo.com>> > To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2011 10:44 pm > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? > > Hi Al, > The 1947 332 Smoke in Tender is very rare. It is DC. There were very > few made and these usually came in the Complete Railroad System, which > is also very rare. Gilbert did not made a AC Northern until 1951. > 1948, 1949, 1950 were DC. I didn't see it on Ebay but it most likely > went between $3,000 and $8,000. > � Tom Seccia > > ________________________________ > From: Alfred <areibel@... <mailto:areibel%40netscape.net>> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:54 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] What am I missing? > > I was checking out ended auctions on Ebay, and came across auction > number 320813101112. A 332 that sold for about ten times what they > were normally going for! It says it was DC, is that what makes it > rare? I don't know all that much about "collectable" Flyer, this one > has me scratching my head, can anyone tell me why it's special? > Thanks, > Al Reibel > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67276	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?

Hi: I was just updating my inventory (in addition to getting something for around the tree) and noticed a nice 332AC in the box. Are they worth more than usual $300-400? I don't think so?? Hope all have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New year. regards from a snow covered home in Norway. Rance Velapoldi On 12/21/2011 00:12, HOwingsiii@... wrote: > > Correction 332(AC), !948. Would you like a picture of two of them? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@... > <mailto:trainsandhobbies%40yahoo.com>> > To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Tue, Dec 20, 2011 5:26 pm > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? > > Hi Harwood, > � The 1947 is very rare. It was never in full production. In some > books, I've seen this locomotives listed as NRS. There are no AC > Northerns until 1951. There were no 332 AC units in 1948, 1949 or > 1950. 1950 productions were 334DC. Are you telling me a 1947 332 Smoke > in Tender Northern is not worth at least $3,000. The original question > was "What am I missing" why is a ebay listing worth 10 times what it > usually sells. Do you want to split hairs very rare or uncommon. > � Tom > > ________________________________ > From: "HOwingsiii@... <mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com>" > <HOwingsiii@... <mailto:HOwingsiii%40aol.com>> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:05 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? > > And Tom, I would'nt call them "Very Rare" either. I would just say > that they are very uncommon. > > Harwood > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sheila Seccia <trainsandhobbies@... > <mailto:trainsandhobbies%40yahoo.com>> > To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2011 10:44 pm > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? > > Hi Al, > The 1947 332 Smoke in Tender is very rare. It is DC. There were very > few made and these usually came in the Complete Railroad System, which > is also very rare. Gilbert did not made a AC Northern until 1951. > 1948, 1949, 1950 were DC. I didn't see it on Ebay but it most likely > went between $3,000 and $8,000. > � Tom Seccia > > ________________________________ > From: Alfred <areibel@... <mailto:areibel%40netscape.net>> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:54 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] What am I missing? > > I was checking out ended auctions on Ebay, and came across auction > number 320813101112. A 332 that sold for about ten times what they > were normally going for! It says it was DC, is that what makes it > rare? I don't know all that much about "collectable" Flyer, this one > has me scratching my head, can anyone tell me why it's special? > Thanks, > Al Reibel > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67277	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: being a newbe

I have couple simple questions what does scale SnS mean, and also why are K line trucks so much larger than the traditional flyer trucks, I am still learning and have theese question, may even know the answear but being I can forget easy, would like to as these questions tks vm Jimbo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67278	From: Ruth A Leahy	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Drive-in Theatre

I am looking for some type of fencing to surround my drive-in theatre on my Flyer layout. Any suggestions? Thanks, Mike Leahy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67279	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?

What I found intetersting when I looked a the auction pictures is that it appears the motor has the electric field, which would indicate an AC motor. Either it's that or it's just missing the bottom sheild. Since there are (according to the listing) only two wires from the tender to the locomotive, I am wondering; Did any "Challengers" have RIB units? I can't tell if there's a lever sticking out anywheres on the boiler. Wish the photos were larger! Curious minds want to know!! :) S' David D. PS, in case I don't get to note it later, Merry Christmas everyone! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67280	From: Timboy	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Free Stick Wood

Flyer Nation, I became very concerned about how expensive stick wood is, even from some of the thriftier Internet sites. Spending money on stick wood for scratch building is unacceptable. As Stumpy pointed out recently, there are free materials all around us. I recently scored a nice inventory of pine; free for the taking. I ripped and cut off the bad parts and was rewarded with a very clean stack of pine - maybe as much as 200 board feet. I used some of it this morning to make my own stick wood. I set up my table saw and my band saw with a new metal-cutting blade. I choose four of the sizes I use the most. After a morning's work, I now have a great inventory of free stick wood. Most of you are aware of the other free things I use on my layout - such as screened-down gravel for ballast and sawdust to use in my "oatmeat". Is there anyone else out there who prides themselves on the use of "obtanium" on their layout? Maybe in honor of Stumpy, I should call it "Stumpanium". lol For a few more details and some pics, you are invited to visit: http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2011/12/free-stick-wood.html Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67281	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Cardboard Buildings

Card stock and cardboard structures have a very long history, going way back to "floor trains" well before electricity. I'm most familiar with those of the post WWII era. There had been a shortage of strategic materials during the war, so paper and card board were what was easily available. At that time, card stock structures and even rolling stock were in their heyday. A 29 cent card stock freight car was folded up from printed stock, braced with card board that YOU provided, and then mounted on a balsa floor which came with the kit. Like almost all kits of the day, you added your own trucks and couplers. Better car kits used a lot more balsa and cast details and could cost as much as $3.00! Probably the best known and longest surviving card stock kit maker was Suydam. They made some of the nicest card stock/cardboard kits in HO, S, and O which included large instruction sheets, all the balsa stripwood you would need, and printed cellophane windows. There were lots of details, mostly printed card, but also sometimes cast metal bits. As time passed, their card stock kits began to be upgraded with more wood, plastic windows, and they even had scale corrugated tin for their famous "Black Bart Coal Mine." About ten years ago, Alpine Models bought up the rights and the little remaining kit stock. Today Clever Bros. and others have used modern technology to make some excellent all card stock kits that are "pre-weathered" and look pretty darned good once assembled. With so many computer programs available, it's only a matter of time before anyone can create their own kits just as Bob is doing! One On30 guy in Colorado takes photos of all four sides of a building and makes his own models! (It's hard to get the North side of a building that's not in shadow.) :-) Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67282	From: R G	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?

The early Northerns with the smoke in the tender would only have two wires to the boiler as the reverse unit is located in the boiler. ________________________________ From: "djdewey@..." <djdewey@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:45 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: What am I missing?   What I found intetersting when I looked a the auction pictures is that it appears the motor has the electric field, which would indicate an AC motor. Either it's that or it's just missing the bottom sheild. Since there are (according to the listing) only two wires from the tender to the locomotive, I am wondering; Did any "Challengers" have RIB units? I can't tell if there's a lever sticking out anywheres on the boiler. Wish the photos were larger! Curious minds want to know!! :) S' David D. PS, in case I don't get to note it later, Merry Christmas everyone! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67283	From: R G	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre

There are a few drive in's located in the area where I live and I have been to quite a few in the past all accross the country.  Some sites that were isolated used almost no fences but would have trees for view blocks.  A local drive in currently has 20 foot high sheet metal fencing to block light from the adjacent road and gas station.  Others that were surrounded  by farm fields used only chain link or wooden fences. So what you chose should be dictated by what surrounds the Drive in on your layout.  ________________________________ From: Ruth A Leahy <ruth.leahy@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Drive-in Theatre   I am looking for some type of fencing to surround my drive-in theatre on my Flyer layout. Any suggestions? Thanks, Mike Leahy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67284	From: Dale F. Smith	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?

Also, if I recall the listing, the seller seemed to base his conclusion that it was a DC locomotive on the existence of only 2 wires from the tender. Didn't all SIT units have only two wires, since the reverse was in the boiler. Of course, if it was AC, it would probably be even rarer. Dale On 12/21/2011 7:45 AM, djdewey@... wrote: > > > What I found intetersting when I looked a the auction pictures is > that it appears the motor has the electric field, which would > indicate an AC motor. Either it's that or it's just missing the > bottom sheild. Since there are (according to the listing) only two > wires from the tender to the locomotive, I am wondering; Did any > "Challengers" have RIB units? I can't tell if there's a lever > sticking out anywheres on the boiler. Wish the photos were larger! > > Curious minds want to know!! > > :) > > S' > > David D. > > PS, in case I don't get to note it later, Merry Christmas everyone! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67285	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: What am I missing?

We seem to be going around in confused circles with this thread. I have lost the plot (not unusual for me). What was the original loco that was being discussed? Was it a very, very rare 1947/48 AC SIT Northern. Or a not very common 332 DC from that year. .It seems that any 332 made from 1948 - 1950 had no prefix whether it was AC or Dc as theh AC version was not acknowledged as having been made. A 332 with the AC prefix seems to date from 1951 and is definately the most common and how we end up with three of them being dragged into the discussion I don't know? Could someone clean it up in a summary please? BTW my only 332 is the commo0n 1951 AQC version but off topic I have a couple of O gauge Northerns one of which is the rare kit built 1940 806 with AC motor but DC control. Alistair On Wed 21/12/11 6:59 PM , Rance Velapoldi rvelapoldi@... sent: Hi: I was just updating my inventory (in addition to getting something for around the tree) and noticed a nice 332AC in the box. Are they worth more than usual $300-400? I don't think so?? Hope all have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New year. regards from a snow covered home in Norway. Rance Velapoldi On 12/21/2011 00:12, HOwingsiii@... [1] wrote: > > Correction 332(AC), !948. Would you like a picture of two of them? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sheila Seccia > > To: S-Trains > > Sent: Tue, Dec 20, 2011 5:26 pm > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? > > Hi Harwood, > � The 1947 is very rare. It was never in full production. In some > books, I've seen this locomotives listed as NRS. There are no AC > Northerns until 1951. There were no 332 AC units in 1948, 1949 or > 1950. 1950 productions were 334DC. Are you telling me a 1947 332 Smoke > in Tender Northern is not worth at least $3,000. The original question > was "What am I missing" why is a ebay listing worth 10 times what it > usually sells. Do you want to split hairs very rare or uncommon. > � Tom > > ________________________________ > From: "HOwingsiii@... [4] " > > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [6] > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:05 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? > > And Tom, I would'nt call them "Very Rare" either. I would just say > that they are very uncommon. > > Harwood > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sheila Seccia > > To: S-Trains > > Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2011 10:44 pm > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What am I missing? > > Hi Al, > The 1947 332 Smoke in Tender is very rare. It is DC. There were very > few made and these usually came in the Complete Railroad System, which > is also very rare. Gilbert did not made a AC Northern until 1951. > 1948, 1949, 1950 were DC. I didn't see it on Ebay but it most likely > went between $3,000 and $8,000. > � Tom Seccia > > ________________________________ > From: Alfred > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [10] > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:54 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] What am I missing? > > I was checking out ended auctions on Ebay, and came across auction > number 320813101112. A 332 that sold for about ten times what they > were normally going for! It says it was DC, is that what makes it > rare? I don't know all that much about "collectable" Flyer, this one > has me scratching my head, can anyone tell me why it's special? > Thanks, > Al Reibel > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:HOwingsiii@... [2] mailto:trainsandhobbies@... [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [4] mailto:HOwingsiii@... [5] mailto:HOwingsiii@... [6] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [7] mailto:trainsandhobbies@... 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 67286	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre

On 12/21/2011 8:38 AM, Ruth A Leahy wrote: > I am looking for some type of fencing to surround my drive-in theatre on > my Flyer layout. Any suggestions? Most drive-in theaters just used chain link. Or if they wanted to block the view from the street, corrugated metal panels. If they used chain link, they often put the privacy slats in for the same reason. Or they planted hedges like oleander to block the view. There are as many different types of fences as there were drive-ins at on time. I happen to have the dismantled CinemaScope screen from our last closed drive-in stored on some property I own along with a huge pile of the corrugated metal fencing. :-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67287	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: being a newbe

SnS = SnS Trains, a business which of of course, deals with S-scale/gauge. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the trucks on K-Line are larger because they are actually "O" gauge trucks. I don't remember all I know either! lol Rick On Dec 21, 2011, at 1:27 AM, Jimbo wrote: > I have couple simple questions what does scale SnS mean, and also why are K line trucks so much larger than the traditional flyer trucks, I am still learning and have theese question, may even know the answear but being I can forget easy, would like to as these questions tks vm Jimbo > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67288	From: Dave	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: SCULLIN WHEELS Ready To Install, Photo (Advertisement)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 67289	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: being a newbe

Actually I believe Steve n Sam, partners. Steve has done a lot of work for me on converting AF items to DCC. Mike From: Rick Evans Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:33 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] being a newbe SnS = SnS Trains, a business which of of course, deals with S-scale/gauge. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the trucks on K-Line are larger because they are actually "O" gauge trucks. I don't remember all I know either! lol Rick On Dec 21, 2011, at 1:27 AM, Jimbo wrote: > I have couple simple questions what does scale SnS mean, and also why are K line trucks so much larger than the traditional flyer trucks, I am still learning and have theese question, may even know the answear but being I can forget easy, would like to as these questions tks vm Jimbo > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67290	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: Free Stick Wood

I got a free bucket of stone dust for ballast. Not having completed the track yet, or even finalized the design, I have nothing more to add. Great group, I look forward to everyone's help once I finally get butt in gear. Dave W. On 12/21/2011 12:18 PM, Timboy wrote: > Flyer Nation, > > I became very concerned about how expensive stick wood is, > even from some of the thriftier Internet sites. Spending > money on stick wood for scratch building is unacceptable. As > Stumpy pointed out recently, there are free materials all > around us. I recently scored a nice inventory of pine; free > for the taking. I ripped and cut off the bad parts and was > rewarded with a very clean stack of pine - maybe as much as > 200 board feet. I used some of it this morning to make my > own stick wood. I set up my table saw and my band saw with a > new metal-cutting blade. I choose four of the sizes I use > the most. After a morning's work, I now have a great > inventory of free stick wood. Most of you are aware of the > other free things I use on my layout - such as screened-down > gravel for ballast and sawdust to use in my "oatmeat". Is > there anyone else out there who prides themselves on the use > of "obtanium" on their layout? Maybe in honor of Stumpy, I > should call it "Stumpanium". lol > > For a few more details and some pics, you are invited to visit: > > http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2011/12/free-stick-wood.html > > Regards, > Timboy > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67291	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Drive-In and stickwood

Tim and all; Not everyone can do what you've done Tim, but you're pointing the way to alternatives. The economy is tough and a little imagination will save some bucks! Everyone in S needs to help each other. Good job. As to drive-in theater fencing; You can make your own corrugated metal fencing from 3x5 file cards and a craft corrugator. File cards from office supply stores or usually you can find both at craft stores. The craft corrugator is usually found in the scrap booking department and they come in various sizes. I don't think any are in a particular scale, but close enough. They work with most light materials, but aluminum can metal is a bit too thick. (Yeah, an "oops" that I tried.) While you're there, check out the various "stir sticks" in large bundles, and cheap. They make good fence posts. Gee, why am I giving all my secrets away? I should be repackaging this stuff and selling it for too much money! :-) Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67292	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: being a newbe

How could I forget the Steve & Sam part??? lol On Dec 21, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > Actually I believe Steve n Sam, partners. > > Steve has done a lot of work for me on converting AF items to DCC. > > Mike > > From: Rick Evans > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:33 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] being a newbe > > SnS = SnS Trains, a business which of of course, deals with S-scale/gauge. > Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the trucks on K-Line are larger because they are actually "O" gauge trucks. > I don't remember all I know either! lol > > Rick > > On Dec 21, 2011, at 1:27 AM, Jimbo wrote: > > > I have couple simple questions what does scale SnS mean, and also why are K line trucks so much larger than the traditional flyer trucks, I am still learning and have theese question, may even know the answear but being I can forget easy, would like to as these questions tks vm Jimbo > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67293	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: World's Largest Layout?

A friend send me this link. Incredible! http://www.miniatur-wunderland.com/exhibit/video/4-minutes-wunderland/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67294	From: R G	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: being a newbe

S Scale K-Line trucks are similiar to S-Helper and American Model Trucks in size and they had real springs. Better than any thing that Lionel is making for S-Scale at this time.  Lionel's trucks are oversize ________________________________ From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] being a newbe   SnS = SnS Trains, a business which of of course, deals with S-scale/gauge. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the trucks on K-Line are larger because they are actually "O" gauge trucks. I don't remember all I know either! lol Rick On Dec 21, 2011, at 1:27 AM, Jimbo wrote: > I have couple simple questions what does scale SnS mean, and also why are K line trucks so much larger than the traditional flyer trucks, I am still learning and have theese question, may even know the answear but being I can forget easy, would like to as these questions tks vm Jimbo > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67295	From: Larry Moore	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-In and stickwood

All, I will add one of my ways of fencing, to Stumpy's suggestions. At Wal-Mart or CVS, any drug store, look for the Stim-u-dent wooden tooth picks, in the dental care aisle. They come fastened together, so first thing, glue a couple of thin battens, horizontally, across the back, to hold them together. They measure a scale 10' long and 10-1/2' high, the hgt can be trimmed as needed. The last time I saw them they were in a package of either 4or6 individual packs, for about $3.00. They can be stained to suit, your needs. Check them out , Larry From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mrstumpy50 Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 4:41 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Drive-In and stickwood Tim and all; Not everyone can do what you've done Tim, but you're pointing the way to alternatives. The economy is tough and a little imagination will save some bucks! Everyone in S needs to help each other. Good job. As to drive-in theater fencing; You can make your own corrugated metal fencing from 3x5 file cards and a craft corrugator. File cards from office supply stores or usually you can find both at craft stores. The craft corrugator is usually found in the scrap booking department and they come in various sizes. I don't think any are in a particular scale, but close enough. They work with most light materials, but aluminum can metal is a bit too thick. (Yeah, an "oops" that I tried.) While you're there, check out the various "stir sticks" in large bundles, and cheap. They make good fence posts. Gee, why am I giving all my secrets away? I should be repackaging this stuff and selling it for too much money! :-) Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67296	From: Ray Cook	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: Free Stick Wood

When hurricane Ivan blew through here (2004?), a house a few streets away from where we lived at the time had some water in their basement, and put out for the trash the paneling (warped), drywall (soggy), and related 2X4 framing (fine). They were scratching their heads a bit when my wife & I rapidly dispatched said lumber into the bed of my truck & made the trash guys job just a bit lighter. The wood later became the benchwork for a garage extension of the O gauge layout I had at the time.   I worked for a landscaper who owned some rental houses. One of them had some uuugly paneling in the basement, and he wanted it all ripped out. The paneling was warped & mildewed, but the 2X3 framing behind it was fine. And free. Ya can't beat free. Those 2X3's presently frame a Standard Gauge layout in the barn.   So there's 'obtanium' under the layout. Less money spent on wood means more can be spent on trains!                  Ray Cook;   Irwin, PA ________________________________ From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Free Stick Wood Flyer Nation, I became very concerned about how expensive stick wood is, even from some of the thriftier Internet sites.  Spending money on stick wood for scratch building is unacceptable.  As Stumpy pointed out recently, there are free materials all around us.  I recently scored a nice inventory of pine; free for the taking.  I ripped and cut off the bad parts and was rewarded with a very clean stack of pine - maybe as much as 200 board feet.  I used some of it this morning to make my own stick wood.  I set up my table saw and my band saw with a new metal-cutting blade.  I choose four of the sizes I use the most.  After a morning's work, I now have a great inventory of free stick wood.  Most of you are aware of the other free things I use on my layout - such as screened-down gravel for ballast and sawdust to use in my "oatmeat".  Is there anyone else out there who prides themselves on the use of "obtanium" on their layout?  Maybe in honor of Stumpy, I should call it "Stumpanium". lol For a few more details and some pics, you are invited to visit: http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2011/12/free-stick-wood.html Regards, Timboy ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67297	From: Larry Moore	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Flyonel, B&O PA's

To the group, Does anyone have experience with Flyonel 4-8153 PA's? I picked up a pair on Ebay at a very good price, upon receipt, they would run ,but very sporadically. I tore down the motors, and in Lionel's infinite wisdom they had replaced Gilbert's metal worm gears with plastic ones. Three of the four were split length wise, and the armature shaft would spin inside the gears. I replaced them with original metal gears and aligned the fields, now it runs very good, with one exception. Running forward, after a couple of laps around my test track, it will just stop, I can cycle the reverse unit and it runs just fine. In reverse it runs without any hesitations or stalls. It has the electronic reversing board in it. The problem would seem to be electrical, could it be in the board or does anyone have some ideas as to what to look for? I have a 5 car passenger set from American models, and just bought the "B" unit on Ebay, I would like to get this thing running, it should look very good, at our train shows. Thanks in advance, and I wish all a very Merry Christmas, and fruitful train running, in the New Year, Larry Moore [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67298	From: johntech	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Wheel spacing on a Baldwin switcher

As I'm building my Baldwin mini switcher I have replaced all the wheels with Pull-Mor wheels. Does anyone know that the correct wheel spacing is inside- to -inside for the power truck? Thanks and Merry Christmas!! John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67299	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: Free Stick Wood

I used to get free from the store, wooden "lug" boxes that fruit came in. The sides were wide & thin strips of about 3/16th wood. Rough on one side & smooth on the other. Mike PS: I don't know if they still use wood as everything I see now is cardboard In a message dated 12/21/2011 4:45:45 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, maroonlionel8@... writes: When hurricane Ivan blew through here (2004?), a house a few streets away from where we lived at the time had some water in their basement, and put out for the trash the paneling (warped), drywall (soggy), and related 2X4 framing (fine). They were scratching their heads a bit when my wife & I rapidly dispatched said lumber into the bed of my truck & made the trash guys job just a bit lighter. The wood later became the benchwork for a garage extension of the O gauge layout I had at the time. I worked for a landscaper who owned some rental houses. One of them had some uuugly paneling in the basement, and he wanted it all ripped out. The paneling was warped & mildewed, but the 2X3 framing behind it was fine. And free. Ya can't beat free. Those 2X3's presently frame a Standard Gauge layout in the barn. So there's 'obtanium' under the layout. Less money spent on wood means more can be spent on trains! Ray Cook; Irwin, PA ________________________________ From: Timboy <_timstrains2000@..._ (mailto:timstrains2000@...) > To: _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Free Stick Wood Flyer Nation, I became very concerned about how expensive stick wood is, even from some of the thriftier Internet sites. Spending money on stick wood for scratch building is unacceptable. As Stumpy pointed out recently, there are free materials all around us. I recently scored a nice inventory of pine; free for the taking. I ripped and cut off the bad parts and was rewarded with a very clean stack of pine - maybe as much as 200 board feet. I used some of it this morning to make my own stick wood. I set up my table saw and my band saw with a new metal-cutting blade. I choose four of the sizes I use the most. After a morning's work, I now have a great inventory of free stick wood. Most of you are aware of the other free things I use on my layout - such as screened-down gravel for ballast and sawdust to use in my "oatmeat". Is there anyone else out there who prides themselves on the use of "obtanium" on their layout? Maybe in honor of Stumpy, I should call it "Stumpanium". lol For a few more details and some pics, you are invited to visit: _http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2011/12/free-stick-wood.html_ (http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2011/12/free-stick-wood.html) Regards, Timboy ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at _http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo_ (http://myflyertrains.org/gallery/Yahoo) ! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67300	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: being a newbe

Ya know�. that's what I had thought originally. I only have ONE K-Line car packed away, I thought the trucks were the same as SHS. Maybe it's the large trucks on Lionel I'm thinkin' about. Rick On Dec 21, 2011, at 1:03 PM, R G wrote: > S Scale K-Line trucks are similiar to S-Helper and American Model Trucks in size and they had real springs. Better than any thing that Lionel is making for S-Scale at this time. Lionel's trucks are oversize > > ________________________________ > From: Rick Evans <bassflyer@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:33 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] being a newbe > > > SnS = SnS Trains, a business which of of course, deals with S-scale/gauge. > Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the trucks on K-Line are larger because they are actually "O" gauge trucks. > I don't remember all I know either! lol > > Rick > > On Dec 21, 2011, at 1:27 AM, Jimbo wrote: > > > I have couple simple questions what does scale SnS mean, and also why are K line trucks so much larger than the traditional flyer trucks, I am still learning and have theese question, may even know the answear but being I can forget easy, would like to as these questions tks vm Jimbo > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67301	From: willisbd	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Looking for Flyer 3/16 O Gauge info

I would like to know what was made as 3/16 scale O gauge by Gilbert. I'm not having much luck on the internet with my limited search skills. Doyle's book probably has some good information, but I've misplaced my (autographed) copy. There must be someone on this list that knows something about the subject. Please reply directly to me since this is not strictly S gauge. Thanks - Bruce W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67302	From: MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre

________________________________ From: R G <keyhole_corona@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, December 21, 2011 1:44:52 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Drive-in Theatre   I live near a drive in its in the middle of a peach orchord, with just a metla boarded fence blocking view from the roadway, the rest is nothing but barb wire are ditch, three screens it is Monetta Drive In in SC you can see some of it on the web, they have a web site with some pictures. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67303	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/21/2011
Subject: tks

I really want to thank you all for answearing my questions, being that there is no hobby store near me, u all are my outlet for questions I know some are kinda dumb but gotta lot to learn about. After reading last week comments on train mags. I purchased classic toy trains, is this mag owned by Lionel? i didnt expect much in way os s gauge are other gauges but it was almost all three rail, and there was an insert that said it woul discuss differnt gauges for the beginner I learned more from the advertising than from the articles unless i wanted to ownd a Lionel O gauge, there was small bits about other gauges, but it didnt deliver, i didnt expect much about s gauge but wanted to learn about all the different gauges man what a rip off in advertising what is going on inside the mag. it did have good information i can convert to s gauge, but was really dissapointed with all the lionel propaganda. And I do like Lionel older trains it just not the scale I want to work in.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67304	From: tbennerohio	Date: 12/22/2011
Subject: 316 power pickup

Happy Holidays to all! My family gave me a 316 for my birthday. Actually, I picked it up on eBay, knowing it needed work, and they wrapped it. Now that it's open and the work begins I have a question for 316 owners. Do both tender trucks have slider power pickups? On this 316 the rear truck has an intact slider assembly. The front truck has no evidence that one was ever there. In fact, the hole for the slider retaining post is on the same side of the truck as on the rear. It is possible that someone turned the front truck around and reversed the wheels, but why. If someone would take a look at their 316 and let me know, I would surely appreciate it. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67305	From: Herbert	Date: 12/22/2011
Subject: Re: Looking for Flyer 3/16 O Gauge info

Try myflyertrains.com, starting with the 1939 catalog, when 3/16" items started to appear. 3/16" inch scale was originally developed by CD Models of Cleveland, but picked up by Gilbert to offer a realistic line to compete with Lionel. You can also google American Flyer 3/16" "O" gauge for a rundown of some historical articles. Look at the 1938 catalog to see what a poor line of trains they inherited, with the exception of the couple of nice scale model "O" locos offered that year that were Chicago designs retained by Gilbert until they could offer 3/16" items which were gradually added in the pre-WWII era. I believe that if Gilbert had been offered the AF line a year earlier they would not have gone into HO. HO was chosen because A.C. did not want to develop a full line of trains to compete head on with Lionel "O" because of the enormous start-up costs involved. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "willisbd" <willisbd@...> wrote: > > I would like to know what was made as 3/16 scale O gauge by Gilbert. I'm not having much luck on the internet with my limited search skills. Doyle's book probably has some good information, but I've misplaced my (autographed) copy. There must be someone on this list that knows something about the subject. Please reply directly to me since this is not strictly S gauge. Thanks - Bruce W. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67306	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 12/22/2011
Subject: Re: Buildings and Structures(stumpy style?)

With all the talk about scratchbuilding the gears in the mind are turning, I am working on a concept of building a building out of cardstock glue(goo) and paint and as little material other than cardstock as possible, I have a drinking straw a circle of  cardstock, looking for some clear stiff flat plastic and I have a motor(dc can style) anyone care to guess what I have in the works with this odd combonation of junk? hint it is part of building. --- On Mon, 12/19/11, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote: From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Buildings and Structures(stumpy style?) To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 19, 2011, 9:56 PM   --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, weidner@... wrote: > > If you are looking for materials that you have on hand already think outside the box and of the box its self--------Empty cereal boxs will yeild some card stock type material as will other such boxes from the store that otherwise would be thrown out. Tip 1 do not be in a rush to build things and experiment with new ideas. Tip 2 Walthers goo is great but need to be neat with it as it can be a mess with strings of glue if not carefull. > > --- On Sun, 12/18/11, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > > From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> > Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Buildings and Structures > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, December 18, 2011, 8:36 PM > > > >   > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Brady Burdge <brady@> wrote: > > > > Timboy, > > > > How about Clever Models steel shed with windows? > > > > http://clevermodels.squarespace.com/models-gallery/ > > > > > > Brady Burdge > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Brady, > > I looked at those and others. Too expensive for my little budget, I'm afraid. There are some ideas being floated as we speak. I think I now know what to do, I just have to see if I can Stumpy it up. > > Regards, > Timboy, The Wine Ideas On A Beer Budget Train Guy (aka Cheapskate Train Guy) > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Weidner, Did you hear the skid mark on the 33 1/3 record just now? I did. Why am I using expensive sticks to build? Seems to me that I could "Weidner" up some "sticks" by ripping down cereal boxes, etc on my band saw with it's metal-cutting blade. Sometimes guys just need a slap upside the head. I gotta rip me down some sticks out of cardboard. Holy Duh, Build Man. Thanks! Timboy, The Blind Man On A Galloping Horse [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67307	From: johntech	Date: 12/22/2011
Subject: The Model Railroader' S Night Before ChriStmaS

The Model Railroader's Night Before Christmas 'Twas the night before Christmas, and all through my pike, Not a steamer was stirring, not even a Mike. My yard tracks invitingly empty and bare, In hopes that St.Nicholas soon would be there. The diesels were nestled all snug in their sheds, While visions of DCC danced in their heads. While I, in my blue-and-white engineer's cap, Had just settled down for a long winter's nap, When down in the train room, there rose such a clatter, I sprang from my bed to see what was the matter. Away to the basement I flew like an ace, Tripped over the cat and fell flat on my face. I stifled a curse meant for Chessie (the cat), And I muttered to no one, "I meant to do that," When what to my wondering eyes should appear, But an 'S' Scale sleigh and eight Preiser reindeer, With an engineer driving, so lively and quick, I knew in a moment it must be St. Nick. More rapid than GG-1's, onward they came, And he blew a steam whistle and called them by name: "On BTS! On Lionel, S-H-S and Walthers! On Kadee and River Raisin, BTS and others! To the top of the mountains of Hydrocal plaster, Now dash away,dash away, dash away faster!" As dry leaves that behind a new 'DX' Series fly, When they meet with an obstacle, mount to the sky, So in through the window the coursers they flew With the sleigh full of trains, and St. Nicholas too. And then, on my roundhouse, I saw on the roof The prints in the dust of each 'S' Scale hoof. As I drew a deep breath, and was turning around, From beneath the benchwork, St. Nick came with a bound. He was dressed like an engineer from head to foot, And his clothes had that fine smell of ashes and soot; A bundle of trains he had flung on his back, And he looked like a peddler just opening his pack. His eyes - just like marker lights! Dimples, how merry! His cheeks like a Warbonnet, nose like a cherry! His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow, And his beard was so white, it would please Phoebe Snow. He puffed on a pipe as he refilled its bowl, And the smoke, it smelled just like bituminous coal. He had a broad face and a belly (I found) That shook like a tank car with wheels out-of-round. He was chubby and plump, and I wanted to shout, "Yes! The man's got a route the CN can't buy out!" A wink of his eye as he passed near the door Soon gave me to know I'd have freight cars galore. He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work. He filled all my yard tracks; then turned with a jerk, And leaving an airbrush he'd found on eBay, And giving a nod, he returned to his sleigh. He pumped up the brakes, blew two blasts on his whistle, And away they all flew like the down of a thistle. But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight, "HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO ALL! KEEP 'EM ROLLING! GOOD-NIGHT!" Author Unknown (Modified to 'S' Scale) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67308	From: mike jones	Date: 12/22/2011
Subject: Re: 316 power pickup

Tim,   Both trucks should have the power slide pick ups. Does it run?   Mike --- On Thu, 12/22/11, tbennerohio <tim.benner@...> wrote: From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...> Subject: [S-Trains] 316 power pickup To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 22, 2011, 8:12 AM   Happy Holidays to all! My family gave me a 316 for my birthday. Actually, I picked it up on eBay, knowing it needed work, and they wrapped it. Now that it's open and the work begins I have a question for 316 owners. Do both tender trucks have slider power pickups? On this 316 the rear truck has an intact slider assembly. The front truck has no evidence that one was ever there. In fact, the hole for the slider retaining post is on the same side of the truck as on the rear. It is possible that someone turned the front truck around and reversed the wheels, but why. If someone would take a look at their 316 and let me know, I would surely appreciate it. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67309	From: piccu56	Date: 12/22/2011
Subject: Re: 316 power pickup

Each truck should have a pick up shoe oriented to the metal wheels side of the truck. If your front truck is missing the stud to mount the shoe, then you'll need to find one that does or add the stud which is available from parts vendors. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "tbennerohio" <tim.benner@...> wrote: > > Happy Holidays to all! > > My family gave me a 316 for my birthday. Actually, I picked it up on eBay, knowing it needed work, and they wrapped it. Now that it's open and the work begins I have a question for 316 owners. > > Do both tender trucks have slider power pickups? On this 316 the rear truck has an intact slider assembly. The front truck has no evidence that one was ever there. In fact, the hole for the slider retaining post is on the same side of the truck as on the rear. It is possible that someone turned the front truck around and reversed the wheels, but why. > > If someone would take a look at their 316 and let me know, I would surely appreciate it. > > Tim Benner > Dayton, Ohio >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67310	From: R G	Date: 12/22/2011
Subject: Re: 316 power pickup

My 316 has two slider shoes.  I think your assessment is correct that the front truck has been rotated.  New slider shoes are available. ________________________________ From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:12 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 316 power pickup   Happy Holidays to all! My family gave me a 316 for my birthday. Actually, I picked it up on eBay, knowing it needed work, and they wrapped it. Now that it's open and the work begins I have a question for 316 owners. Do both tender trucks have slider power pickups? On this 316 the rear truck has an intact slider assembly. The front truck has no evidence that one was ever there. In fact, the hole for the slider retaining post is on the same side of the truck as on the rear. It is possible that someone turned the front truck around and reversed the wheels, but why. If someone would take a look at their 316 and let me know, I would surely appreciate it. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67311	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 12/22/2011
Subject: Re: The Model Railroader' S Night Before ChriStmaS

Terrific! Mark in Oregon --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "johntech" <beebear@...> wrote: > > > > The Model Railroader's Night Before Christmas > > 'Twas the night before Christmas, and all through my pike, > Not a steamer was stirring, not even a Mike. > My yard tracks invitingly empty and bare, > In hopes that St.Nicholas soon would be there. > > The diesels were nestled all snug in their sheds, > While visions of DCC danced in their heads. > While I, in my blue-and-white engineer's cap, > Had just settled down for a long winter's nap, > > When down in the train room, there rose such a clatter, > I sprang from my bed to see what was the matter. > Away to the basement I flew like an ace, > Tripped over the cat and fell flat on my face. > > I stifled a curse meant for Chessie (the cat), > And I muttered to no one, "I meant to do that," > When what to my wondering eyes should appear, > But an 'S' Scale sleigh and eight Preiser reindeer, > > With an engineer driving, so lively and quick, > I knew in a moment it must be St. Nick. > More rapid than GG-1's, onward they came, > And he blew a steam whistle and called them by name: > > "On BTS! On Lionel, S-H-S and Walthers! > On Kadee and River Raisin, BTS and others! > To the top of the mountains of Hydrocal plaster, > Now dash away,dash away, dash away faster!" > > As dry leaves that behind a new 'DX' Series fly, > When they meet with an obstacle, mount to the sky, > So in through the window the coursers they flew > With the sleigh full of trains, and St. Nicholas too. > > And then, on my roundhouse, I saw on the roof > The prints in the dust of each 'S' Scale hoof. > As I drew a deep breath, and was turning around, > From beneath the benchwork, St. Nick came with a bound. > > He was dressed like an engineer from head to foot, > And his clothes had that fine smell of ashes and soot; > A bundle of trains he had flung on his back, > And he looked like a peddler just opening his pack. > > His eyes - just like marker lights! Dimples, how merry! > His cheeks like a Warbonnet, nose like a cherry! > His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow, > And his beard was so white, it would please Phoebe Snow. > > He puffed on a pipe as he refilled its bowl, > And the smoke, it smelled just like bituminous coal. > He had a broad face and a belly (I found) > That shook like a tank car with wheels out-of-round. > > He was chubby and plump, and I wanted to shout, > "Yes! The man's got a route the CN can't buy out!" > A wink of his eye as he passed near the door > Soon gave me to know I'd have freight cars galore. > > He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work. > He filled all my yard tracks; then turned with a jerk, > And leaving an airbrush he'd found on eBay, > And giving a nod, he returned to his sleigh. > > He pumped up the brakes, blew two blasts on his whistle, > And away they all flew like the down of a thistle. > But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight, > "HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO ALL! KEEP 'EM ROLLING! GOOD-NIGHT!" > > > > > > Author Unknown > > > > (Modified to 'S' Scale) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67312	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/22/2011
Subject: Re: Drive-in Theatre

On 12/21/2011 10:16 PM, MARY & JAMES DAVIDSON wrote: > > I live near a drive in its in the middle of a peach orchard, with > just a metal boarded fence blocking view from the roadway, the rest is nothing but > barb wire are ditch, three screens it is Monetta Drive In in SC you can see some > of it on the web, they have a web site with some pictures. It's funny how hobbies overlap sometimes. Besides being a Flyer fan for 55 years, I'm also a drive-in theater fan. Richard and Lisa Boaz own the Big Mo, http://www.thebigmo.com/ which they bought around 1998. I actually have a T-shirt from the drive-in although I've never been there. He sometimes posts on the drive-ins list on Yahoo. He bought another one but had to close it when the owner reneged on a promise to manage it for them. I have a 7 inch Haier brand LCD TV that I am going to use to make a drive-in for my little layout. In S scale, it scales out to roughly 40 feet tall and 60 feet wide which is a typical drive-in screen size. Keep in mind that a real single screen drive-in would occupy about 4 acres and an acre is 280 feet on each side so that's a lot of real estate! Most drive-ins now use FM sound and no longer have poles with speakers, so depending on the era you are modeling, you might not need to replicate poles and speakers. George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67313	From: Ron Inscho	Date: 12/22/2011
Subject: Re: being a newbe

the Lionel /flyonel trucks are easy to identify , they are the ones that are of poor design made from a bad batch of potmetal that just fall apart. Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67314	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/22/2011
Subject: Brakes on DC Metro

Well, there has been a lot of talk on the S list about Lionel trucks for AF cars falling apart, as I had one AF Lionel car fixed with S Helper Service trucks. But a real life situation happened 2 days ago with the Washington DC Metro. A part of the brakes on a truck for a subway car fell off once it left a station, as passengers at the station saw something spark and then a lot of smoke, as the part hit the power rail. The next train pulled in, and passengers told the rail operator that something happened in the tunnel and he or she should not proceed with the train. Well the operator did not take them seriously and proceeded down the line, only for the train to get stuck in the tunnel due to the fallen part. Metro is now inspecting all the cars they have of this type. http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/commuting/falling-part-from-metro-train-temporarily-closes-orange-and-blue-lines/2011/12/20/gIQAb0wz7O_story.html Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67315	From: tbennerohio	Date: 12/22/2011
Subject: Re: 316 power pickup

Thanks for the replies, everyone, The 316 does not run... Yet. There was enough binding in the engine to result in a burned out armature. It is all free and smooth now and with an armature on the shelf it should be running tonight, at least on the bench. The reverse unit looks like it had been oiled frequently but should work after all the goo is removed. I have the slider assembly including the post. It looks like the front tender truck will have to come off so the post can be peened into place. Plenty to do on these long winter nights. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, mike jones <civicman_97@...> wrote: > > Tim, >   > Both trucks should have the power slide pick ups. Does it run? >   > Mike >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67316	From: Brady	Date: 12/22/2011
Subject: Re: tks

<<...After reading last week comments on train mags. I purchased classic toy trains, is this mag owned by Lionel?...>> Stick to S Gaugian, NASG Dispatch and perhaps Model Railroader. Model Railroader is HO oriented (like Classic Toy Trains is O oriented) but at least it's two rail. MR's new project layout based on the Virginian is pretty good reading. Brady

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67317	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 12/22/2011
Subject: Re: Looking for Flyer 3/16 O Gauge info

Hi Herbert, Can you provide a link to the site you mentioned. I tried going to the site but get other wierd sites instead. Thanks. Lon Walker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Herbert" <hwass@...> wrote: > > > > Try myflyertrains.com, starting with the 1939 catalog, when 3/16" items started to appear. 3/16" inch scale was originally developed by > CD Models of Cleveland, but picked up by Gilbert to offer a realistic > line to compete with Lionel. You can also google American Flyer 3/16" > "O" gauge for a rundown of some historical articles. > > Look at the 1938 catalog to see what a poor line of trains they inherited, with the exception of the couple of nice scale model "O" locos offered that year that were Chicago designs retained by Gilbert until they could offer 3/16" items which were gradually added in the pre-WWII era. > > I believe that if Gilbert had been offered the AF line a year earlier they would not have gone into HO. HO was chosen because A.C. did not want to develop a full line of trains to compete head on with > Lionel "O" because of the enormous start-up costs involved. > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "willisbd" <willisbd@> wrote: > > > > I would like to know what was made as 3/16 scale O gauge by Gilbert. I'm not having much luck on the internet with my limited search skills. Doyle's book probably has some good information, but I've misplaced my (autographed) copy. There must be someone on this list that knows something about the subject. Please reply directly to me since this is not strictly S gauge. Thanks - Bruce W. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67318	From: Herbert	Date: 12/23/2011
Subject: Re: Looking for Flyer 3/16 O Gauge info

Lon, My bad. I should have said myflyertrains.org, NOT .com. I'm having trouble linking on this site for some unknown reason. You can also google my flyer trains. It's a great site for Flyer fans, and a great public service by Chuck Harrington. Herb Wasserman --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "boxcar4willhe" <wlon17@...> wrote: > > > > Hi Herbert, > > Can you provide a link to the site you mentioned. I tried going to the site but get other wierd sites instead. Thanks. Lon Walker > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Herbert" <hwass@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Try myflyertrains.com, starting with the 1939 catalog, when 3/16" items started to appear. 3/16" inch scale was originally developed by > > CD Models of Cleveland, but picked up by Gilbert to offer a realistic > > line to compete with Lionel. You can also google American Flyer 3/16" > > "O" gauge for a rundown of some historical articles. > > > > Look at the 1938 catalog to see what a poor line of trains they inherited, with the exception of the couple of nice scale model "O" locos offered that year that were Chicago designs retained by Gilbert until they could offer 3/16" items which were gradually added in the pre-WWII era. > > > > I believe that if Gilbert had been offered the AF line a year earlier they would not have gone into HO. HO was chosen because A.C. did not want to develop a full line of trains to compete head on with > > Lionel "O" because of the enormous start-up costs involved. > > > > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "willisbd" <willisbd@> wrote: > > > > > > I would like to know what was made as 3/16 scale O gauge by Gilbert. I'm not having much luck on the internet with my limited search skills. Doyle's book probably has some good information, but I've misplaced my (autographed) copy. There must be someone on this list that knows something about the subject. Please reply directly to me since this is not strictly S gauge. Thanks - Bruce W. > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67319	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/23/2011
Subject: Re: Looking for Flyer 3/16 O Gauge info

http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/Gilbert%20Catalogs.htm [1] On Fri 23/12/11 1:50 PM , "boxcar4willhe" wlon17@... sent: Hi Herbert, Can you provide a link to the site you mentioned. I tried going to the site but get other wierd sites instead. Thanks. Lon Walker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2], "Herbert" wrote: > > > > Try myflyertrains.com, starting with the 1939 catalog, when 3/16" items started to appear. 3/16" inch scale was originally developed by > CD Models of Cleveland, but picked up by Gilbert to offer a realistic > line to compete with Lionel. You can also google American Flyer 3/16" > "O" gauge for a rundown of some historical articles. > > Look at the 1938 catalog to see what a poor line of trains they inherited, with the exception of the couple of nice scale model "O" locos offered that year that were Chicago designs retained by Gilbert until they could offer 3/16" items which were gradually added in the pre-WWII era. > > I believe that if Gilbert had been offered the AF line a year earlier they would not have gone into HO. HO was chosen because A.C. did not want to develop a full line of trains to compete head on with > Lionel "O" because of the enormous start-up costs involved. > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3], "willisbd" wrote: > > > > I would like to know what was made as 3/16 scale O gauge by Gilbert. I'm not having much luck on the internet with my limited search skills. Doyle's book probably has some good information, but I've misplaced my (autographed) copy. There must be someone on this list that knows something about the subject. Please reply directly to me since this is not strictly S gauge. Thanks - Bruce W. > > > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/Gilbert%20Catalogs.htm [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [4] mailto:wlon17@...?subject=Re:%20Looking%20for%20Flyer%203/16%20O%20Gauge%20info [5] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20Looking%20for%20Flyer%203/16%20O%20Gauge%20info [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvNWo4Z2drBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzMxNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjQ2MjU2NTE-?act=reply&messageNum=67317 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjdWYzaWJ0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQ2MjU2NTE- [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/67301;_ylc=X3oDMTM0Z2JnZjNrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzMxNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQ2MjU2NTEEdHBjSWQDNjczMDE- [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNWgyNW1vBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzI0NjI1NjUx?o=6 [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNTM4bGNhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzI0NjI1NjUx [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjaGMzajVsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQ2MjU2NTE- [12] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [13] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15orjaqtl/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1324632851/L=81e8cbe0-2d38-11e1-afc9-17284f76a9de/B=8L_cSNBDRyc-/J=1324625651906351/K=bjKdpV6TQF0OOpcanM6Mrw/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*<a href= [14] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJidHRoNWNlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMyNDYyNTY1MQ-- [15] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional [16] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest [17] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [18] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67320	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/23/2011
Subject: Re: Looking for Flyer 3/16 O Gauge info

Here is the direct link - http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/Gilbert%20Catalogs.htm Don't know why people providing information don't paste the links in in the first place. Gets frustrating when given a part webname or an incorrect one. Alistair On Fri 23/12/11 1:50 PM , "boxcar4willhe" wlon17@... sent: Hi Herbert, Can you provide a link to the site you mentioned. I tried going to the site but get other wierd sites instead. Thanks. Lon Walker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [1], "Herbert" wrote: > > > > Try myflyertrains.com, starting with the 1939 catalog, when 3/16" items started to appear. 3/16" inch scale was originally developed by > CD Models of Cleveland, but picked up by Gilbert to offer a realistic > line to compete with Lionel. You can also google American Flyer 3/16" > "O" gauge for a rundown of some historical articles. > > Look at the 1938 catalog to see what a poor line of trains they inherited, with the exception of the couple of nice scale model "O" locos offered that year that were Chicago designs retained by Gilbert until they could offer 3/16" items which were gradually added in the pre-WWII era. > > I believe that if Gilbert had been offered the AF line a year earlier they would not have gone into HO. HO was chosen because A.C. did not want to develop a full line of trains to compete head on with > Lionel "O" because of the enormous start-up costs involved. > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2], "willisbd" wrote: > > > > I would like to know what was made as 3/16 scale O gauge by Gilbert. I'm not having much luck on the internet with my limited search skills. Doyle's book probably has some good information, but I've misplaced my (autographed) copy. There must be someone on this list that knows something about the subject. Please reply directly to me since this is not strictly S gauge. Thanks - Bruce W. > > > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] mailto:wlon17@...?subject=Re:%20Looking%20for%20Flyer%203/16%20O%20Gauge%20info [4] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20Looking%20for%20Flyer%203/16%20O%20Gauge%20info [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvNWo4Z2drBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzMxNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjQ2MjU2NTE-?act=reply&messageNum=67317 [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjdWYzaWJ0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQ2MjU2NTE- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/67301;_ylc=X3oDMTM0Z2JnZjNrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzMxNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQ2MjU2NTEEdHBjSWQDNjczMDE- [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNWgyNW1vBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzI0NjI1NjUx?o=6 [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNTM4bGNhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzI0NjI1NjUx [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjaGMzajVsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMjQ2MjU2NTE- [11] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [12] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15orjaqtl/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1324632851/L=81e8cbe0-2d38-11e1-afc9-17284f76a9de/B=8L_cSNBDRyc-/J=1324625651906351/K=bjKdpV6TQF0OOpcanM6Mrw/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*<a href= [13] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJidHRoNWNlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMyNDYyNTY1MQ-- [14] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional [15] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest [16] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [17] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67321	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/23/2011
Subject: Happy Holidays

Before we get all caught up in the season: Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukka, and all the rest to everyone in the S gauge world! And may we all have a Happy New Year too! Stumpy and Cindy Stone in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67322	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/23/2011
Subject: Re: 316 power pickup

The correct tender trucks for the 316 K5 are XA12A516 Front Truck no coupler and XA12A350 Rear Trick with knuckle coupler. Each truck has a PA11A936 Pick Up Shoe, PA11A956 Cone Spring and a PA11A944 Cotter. I have the Pick Up Shoe and the associated parts. Please contact me off site seccia@... if you need these. � Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: R G <keyhole_corona@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 316 power pickup   My 316 has two slider shoes.  I think your assessment is correct that the front truck has been rotated.  New slider shoes are available. ________________________________ From: tbennerohio <tim.benner@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:12 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 316 power pickup   Happy Holidays to all! My family gave me a 316 for my birthday. Actually, I picked it up on eBay, knowing it needed work, and they wrapped it. Now that it's open and the work begins I have a question for 316 owners. Do both tender trucks have slider power pickups? On this 316 the rear truck has an intact slider assembly. The front truck has no evidence that one was ever there. In fact, the hole for the slider retaining post is on the same side of the truck as on the rear. It is possible that someone turned the front truck around and reversed the wheels, but why. If someone would take a look at their 316 and let me know, I would surely appreciate it. Tim Benner Dayton, Ohio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67323	From: HOwingsiii@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2011
Subject: Re: Looking for Flyer 3/16 O Gauge info

Herbert, couple of these on eBay; # 220918220455 on ebay -----Original Message----- From: boxcar4willhe <wlon17@...> To: S-Trains <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Dec 23, 2011 2:34 am Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Looking for Flyer 3/16 O Gauge info Hi Herbert, Can you provide a link to the site you mentioned. I tried going to the site but get other wierd sites instead. Thanks. Lon Walker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Herbert" <hwass@...> wrote: > > > > Try myflyertrains.com, starting with the 1939 catalog, when 3/16" items started to appear. 3/16" inch scale was originally developed by > CD Models of Cleveland, but picked up by Gilbert to offer a realistic > line to compete with Lionel. You can also google American Flyer 3/16" > "O" gauge for a rundown of some historical articles. > > Look at the 1938 catalog to see what a poor line of trains they inherited, with the exception of the couple of nice scale model "O" locos offered that year that were Chicago designs retained by Gilbert until they could offer 3/16" items which were gradually added in the pre-WWII era. > > I believe that if Gilbert had been offered the AF line a year earlier they would not have gone into HO. HO was chosen because A.C. did not want to develop a full line of trains to compete head on with > Lionel "O" because of the enormous start-up costs involved. > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "willisbd" <willisbd@> wrote: > > > > I would like to know what was made as 3/16 scale O gauge by Gilbert. I'm not having much luck on the internet with my limited search skills. Doyle's book probably has some good information, but I've misplaced my (autographed) copy. There must be someone on this list that knows something about the subject. Please reply directly to me since this is not strictly S gauge. Thanks - Bruce W. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67324	From: Bill	Date: 12/23/2011
Subject: Merry Christmas

Notes on a coupla things here. First, I had a post up here a few days back regarding troubles with a new AF Challenger. After finally figuring out the contact point for Lionel(contactus@...),and giving them the proper info, hey e-mailed back that the correct part was on its way. So I seemed to have jumped thru all the right hoops. You can locate the warranty and service page on Lionels homepage,and fill out all the info at the bottom of the page. Second. I'd like to say the paraphrased Model Railroaders night before Christmas is one of the best I've seen. Merry Christmas everyone. Bill in Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67325	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/23/2011
Subject: Incredible

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360419684423&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123 Boxes for the 21129 engine and tender are being sold on eBay. So far $600 for the boxes. I have my boxes for my 21129 engine and tender so this is great. However, my tender box is corrugated cardboard with the ends cut and stapled together like a triangle for the couplers at the end of the tender, to protect the couplers. So that is very unique box. the boxes are buried under some steps that are difficult to get under and with my new knee, I can not do that right now. I will get a picture of the boxes in January. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67326	From: Larry Moore	Date: 12/23/2011
Subject: MERRY CHRISTMAS

From my home in Western North Carolina, to all my train friends and their families, MERRY CHRISTMAS, and HAPPY HANUKKAH, and the best in the NEW YEAR. Larry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67327	From: Ray Puls	Date: 12/24/2011
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas

To all of you "S" gaugers, Merry Christmas from our home to yours, And God bless us everyone. The Puls home [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67328	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2011
Subject: SP Daylight PA-PA and Combo, Observation Cars for sale

I have these items for sale from Flyonel's 1984 offering of Southern Pacific Daylight cars and locos: (1) 4-9500 Southern Pacific Combo Car - $50 plus $7.95 shipping Comes with original box. Car shows some dirt buildup on wheels but finish looks great. I cannot find any missing paint or scratches. Couplers work though they do not function as reliably as I would like, but I think this is the way they came from the factory. (2) 4-9503 Southern Pacific Observation Car - $45 plus $7.95 shipping Comes with original box. Car shows some dirt buildup on wheels but finish looks great. I cannot find any missing paint or scratches. Couplers work though they do not function as reliably as I would like, but I think this is the way they came from the factory. I have observed a recent ebay transaction for $52.39 plus $7.95 for shipping, with 3 bids. I have observed a current "buy it now" car for sale on ebay at $59.99 and $10.00 shipping. Order both cars at a cost of $80 including shipping. (3) 4-8150 Southern Pacific PA (powered) and PA (dummy) - $240 plus $10.00 shipping Comes with original box, packaging, and registration cards. I cannot see wear on the wheels though I have test run them. Couplers work though they do not function as reliably as I would like, but I think this is the way they came from the factory. I cannot see any scratches or missing paint. They look great. The dummy unit mysteriously shows some rust on the coupler bar on the nose end, plus the coupler bar spring is detached on one side. I cannot see that this affects the coupler operation. Special price for both cars and the PAs - $300 plus $10.00 shipping Payment information - I prefer payment by check or cashiers check from a bank. Contact information - Earl Henry, Jr at _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) or 615/298-4502 I may not be able to reply to emails until tomorrow night. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------- My thoughts on completing the set, just my opinion: - To complete the set, one would need to add a coach and a dome car. These cars show up periodically on ebay. The new full length dome car by Flyonel is listed for sale S Gaugian in several ads. And Southern Pacific actually had full length domes in the Daylight scheme, unlike some of the other railroads for which this car is offered. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67329	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 12/24/2011
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas

and the same to you, also On Dec 24, 2011, at 5:15 AM, Ray Puls wrote: > To all of you "S" gaugers, Merry Christmas from our home to > yours, And God bless us everyone. > The Puls home > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67330	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2011
Subject: Northern Pacific Passenger Cars for sale (Flyonel)

FLYONEL NORTHERN PACIFIC PASSENGER CARS - I have lowered prices ================ 6-48925 Coach (3 cars are available) $45 plus shipping 6-48922 Vista Dome Coach (2 cars are available) $45 plus shipping 6-48924 Vista Dome Coach (1 car is available) $45 plus shipping 6-48924 Vista Dome Coach (1 car is available) $45 plus shipping Note-Order two or more cars and shipping is free - Earl Henry, Nashville 615/298-4502 note - I probably will not be able to respond to emails until tomorrow night [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67331	From: Bob	Date: 12/24/2011
Subject: Happy Holidays

To the Group, we wish you a Merry Christmas with good health, peace and happiness in the New Year from Brentwood, Tennessee. Bob and wife Pat

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67332	From: fyrrfytr49	Date: 12/24/2011
Subject: Merry Christmas to All......

Merry Christmas from the home of the North Pole......just a little something to amuse train geeks of all ages....paste click and have fun http://www.riversongs.com/greetings/train.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67333	From: Mark Mugnai	Date: 12/24/2011
Subject: Re: tks

It's funny you should mention that. I was a "charter" subscriber to CTT back when, but discontinued after about 3 years, because I felt it had become a fanzine for the Lionel Corp. It was about that time, I think, that these went from being affordable "toys" to very expensive "collectibles". I even when as far as to write a letter to the editor, expressing my feelings.Kalmbach has always stated how important it is to get new people involved, young people in particular, but the escillating prices were never mentioned. To his credit, he did reply, but it sounds like not much has changed....... Mark in Oregon --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Brady" <brady@...> wrote: > > <<...After reading last week comments on train mags. I purchased classic toy trains, is this mag owned by Lionel?...>> > > > Stick to S Gaugian, NASG Dispatch and perhaps Model Railroader. Model Railroader is HO oriented (like Classic Toy Trains is O oriented) but at least it's two rail. MR's new project layout based on the Virginian is pretty good reading. > > > Brady >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67334	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/24/2011
Subject: Christmas Eve in the Shed

Hi Folks and Merry Christmas, My granddaughter is visiting and we just had to go out to the shed to run some trains. In this photo, she is running a switch on the upper track while a train from SHS passes by on the lower. *http://tinyurl.com/85qbspy* Life is good, Bill -- Bill Porter South Florida [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67335	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2011
Subject: SHS Freight Cars on Ebay in American Flyer category

We had a change of plans so I am back at home looking at what is on eBay. I noticed a seller has listed a number of SHS freight cars but not in the SHS category. If you are looking for SHS cars, search for this item number # 270876074509 and then look for other items listed by this seller. They are all listed in the American Flyer category. - Earl Henry, Nashville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67336	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 12/24/2011
Subject: Re: Happy Holidays

and thr same to you, also On Dec 24, 2011, at 9:55 AM, Bob wrote: > To the Group, we wish you a Merry Christmas with good health, peace > and happiness in the New Year from Brentwood, Tennessee. > > Bob and wife Pat > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67337	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/24/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/25/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday December 25, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 22 hours, 4 minutes. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67338	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/25/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 12/25/2011, 8:00 pm

Reminder from:   S-Trains Yahoo! Group   Title:   SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT   Date:   Sunday December 25, 2011 Time:   8:00 pm - 12:00 am Repeats:   This event repeats every week. Location:   http://myflyertrains.org/chat/ Notes:   Sunday night online chat. Everyone welcome. Time: 8 PM ET to "lights out" by consensus   Get reminders on your mobile, Yahoo! Messenger, and email. Edit reminder options Copyright © 2011  Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67339	From: jtkeating	Date: 12/25/2011
Subject: Wanted: 21085 Boiler & 2 pin C&NW Tender Shell

Wanted: 21085 Boiler & C&NW 2 pin Tender shell. Please contact me off-list. Merry Christmas to all the members of this S group. John Keating

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67340	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/26/2011
Subject: SHS and AM Freight Cars for Sale

Several S items are listed for sale. If interested, please reply offline to _tennsgauge@..._ (mailto:tennsgauge@...) . - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN S Helper Service ================ #00337 Bulkhead Flatcar D&H Pulpwood Load, car #16502 LN/EX in original box, (box is a little worn, I am at least the second owner) Orange car with yellow lettering $80 #00138 Stock Car Missouri Pacific 154092 (I-GN) Tuscan car with white lettering and white MP buzzsaw logo LN in original box $40 #00404 3 bay PS-2 3 covered hopper New York Central #2: 883092 Original box with HR wheels and AF style couplers, plus scale wheels in the box. Gray car with black lettering $34 (I reduced the price) (two cars are available) #00086 PS-2 CNW 2-Bay Covered Hopper, LN in original box Green car with yellow lettering $40 (I reduced the price) #01728 Bulkhead Flatcar 2006 Christmas car, BN 621076 LN in original box, with load of wrapped Christmas presents Green car with white lettering $65 (I reduced the price) American Models - High Rail ================ #2202 P.F.E. 40' Reefer, car #69372 High Rail LN in original box Orange car with black lettering, Union Pacific and Southern Pacific Logos (black) $29 Note-Order two or more and shipping is free [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67341	From: Bob	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: 1:64 Modeling Guide Update

Good evening and Happy Holidays to all! I wanted to touch base and give an update on the 1:64 Modeling Guide magazine. The first e-Zine edition, the Winter, 2012 issue (Volume 12, Number 1) is taking shape, and I must say what is in place so far looks great! I'm still waiting on my inquiry regarding a photo I'd like to use for the front cover, so I can't display anything on the website yet. But I will tickle your curiosity by letting you know what the three main features will be: First, we have a photo essay by Roger Nulton. Roger has shared some shots of his wonderful Monon Railroad (Chicago, Indianapolis & Louisville) layout. Next up is the first of a two-part series on building Osgood-Bradley "American Flyer" coaches in both 10 and 11-window configurations by Dick Karnes with Bud Rindfleisch, using (what else?) old AF coach bodies. It's a great article. Finally, Phil Scandura shows how to build a simple loading dock--a project you can do in one evening! Plans and materials list included. Of course, we'll have the popular "Engineering Department" and "Eastern Junction" columns, along with 1:64 News & Products, your feedback and more. Oh, and one last thing: There's going to be a surprise article of interest to all S scalers. Remember, the 1:64 Modeling Guide is now exclusively an e-Zine, with new LOW subscription rates world-wide, full color, in PDF format with links to advertisers. Note to subscribers: If you have any questions about your subscription and the conversion to e-Zine format, go to the magazine's website and click on the "e-Zine Transition" button on the home page. Of course, feel free to contact me directly with any questions you may have. Note to manufacturers and dealers: A new rate card featuring lower rates, larger ad sizes and no extra charge for color is available for downloading. I still have some space to sell in the upcoming issue and would love to hear from you. Subscribe today online at: www.1-64ModelingGuide.com. Or, if you prefer, download the subscription form and mail it with your payment to the address shown on the form. Projected publishing date: January 31, 2012. Happy New Year! Bob Nalbone Editor & Publisher 1:64 Modeling Guide Magazine www.1-64ModelingGuide.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67342	From: Dave	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: DRIVE WHEEL BLACK INSULATORS (advertisement)

JANUARY 2012 will be the month that we will have the long sought after " DRIVE WHEEL BLACK INSULATORS" for pre-1966 AF steamers with metal rimed drivers. The face of this insulator will cover the entire face of the metal rim as opposed to the original white insulators which covered only about 1/2 of the face. Dealers and repair persons should CONTACT US OFF LIST for further info. about these insulators before Jan. 7, 2012. Thank you all for your continuing support and GREAT IDEAS. Dave LBR Enterprises,llc 502-292-1872

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67343	From: Ben E. Colley	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: Hobby shops in St. Louis area

Greetings all, I live in central Missouri, and occasionally get to drive my wife and daughter to the St. Louis area on shopping trips. So, I was wondering what are the hobby shops in the St. Louis area that support our S-gauge habit and have product on hand? Thanks in advance. Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67344	From: John	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: Like Having an Electrician in a Bottle

Greetings all. As tradition dictates, my trusty 21085 Pacific carried out its round-the-tree duties flawlessly, hauling its red Santa Fe hopper, green Great Northern boxcar, searchlight car, Monon gondola with a seated Snoopy and a 930 lighted caboose. As the room filled with the aroma of Anorml 1 Fluid, the men were content to savor the time honored scent, but the women complained. So, a GP-7 GM diesel was retrieved from the shelves downstairs so as to continue the operation, but without smoke. Alas, the headlights shined and the E-unit clicked, but no operation. After much tapping and repetition (you know the drill) the GP-7 body shell was removed and the wiring inspected. All OK. The E-unit fingers were intact and in contact with the drum, and it was cycling,so all appeared OK (as balky American Flyers E units generally do). Back to the basement to retrieve my bottle of Rail-Zip 2, an electrical conductivity enhancer sold by Pacer Technology. I have used this product on the 2-train slide-switch of AF turnouts, and proceeded to squeeze two drops on the GP-7 E-unit drum. I rotated the drum by working the pawl with my finger, set it back on the track, and EUREKA ! The GP-7 sprang to life and operates perfectly. Rail-Zip 2 instantly has become part of my AF E-unit maintenance regimen, and I recommend it to you. If A.C. Gilbert was around today, he probably would include a bottle of Rail-Zip 2 in each set that has a 4-step E Unit. It worked well for me. All the best. John Davis Noblesville IN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67345	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: Scale Wheel sets

To All, This is in responce to our scale buddies. They would like for Lionel to offer Scale wheels in the future. The U33C was sent out without this option. they metioned to send in your request to Customer services to get your scale wheels. What that mens is that they would like Lionel to be moer like SHS and includethe scale wheels with the loco's and cars so that the scale guys will have a new market to deal with. We need to let Lionel know that there is a market out there for the scale wheel version of what they offer in "S" American Flyer. They would apreciat our(Highrailers) help Sounds like they want more than just Brass engines with scale wheel sets. They may return the favor and help us out with new stuff from Lionel. My thoughts only and just trying to help. Thanks, Alan Lambert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67346	From: Dave	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: DRIVE WHEEL BLACK INSULATORS (advertisement)

We have added a photo of our NEW BLACK INSULATORS and some photos BEFORE & AFTER the installation of these insulators. Plus we have added a photo of our NEW DARK GRAY INSULATORS. These new insulators should give THE KIT BASHERS IN THIS GROUP a bunch of new ideas. TO VIEW ALBUM PHOTOS PLEASE USE THIS LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/photos/album/251825696/pic/list Thank you all for your continuing support Dave LBR Enterprises,llc 502-292-1872

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67347	From: Donald Keil	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: Re: Like Having an Electrician in a Bottle

New to S, so what is rail Zip 2, I used W D 40 with the great results but one of my 360 did go up in flames, put out the fire and and turn the power back on and it work fine I assume Rail Zip 2 is better or is it flamable too. DON ________________________________ From: John <wyoaf@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:39 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Like Having an Electrician in a Bottle   Greetings all. As tradition dictates, my trusty 21085 Pacific carried out its round-the-tree duties flawlessly, hauling its red Santa Fe hopper, green Great Northern boxcar, searchlight car, Monon gondola with a seated Snoopy and a 930 lighted caboose. As the room filled with the aroma of Anorml 1 Fluid, the men were content to savor the time honored scent, but the women complained. So, a GP-7 GM diesel was retrieved from the shelves downstairs so as to continue the operation, but without smoke. Alas, the headlights shined and the E-unit clicked, but no operation. After much tapping and repetition (you know the drill) the GP-7 body shell was removed and the wiring inspected. All OK. The E-unit fingers were intact and in contact with the drum, and it was cycling,so all appeared OK (as balky American Flyers E units generally do). Back to the basement to retrieve my bottle of Rail-Zip 2, an electrical conductivity enhancer sold by Pacer Technology. I have used this product on the 2-train slide-switch of AF turnouts, and proceeded to squeeze two drops on the GP-7 E-unit drum. I rotated the drum by working the pawl with my finger, set it back on the track, and EUREKA ! The GP-7 sprang to life and operates perfectly. Rail-Zip 2 instantly has become part of my AF E-unit maintenance regimen, and I recommend it to you. If A.C. Gilbert was around today, he probably would include a bottle of Rail-Zip 2 in each set that has a 4-step E Unit. It worked well for me. All the best. John Davis Noblesville IN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67348	From: rick gough	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: Re: Like Having an Electrician in a Bottle

I use Chemtronics Head Cleaner 2 from radio Shack just because it's on the shelf and works well ..... with no pyrotechnics. Use WD-40 to start bulky race motors ...... works great! rick gough mudshark datsun 510 racing ________________________________ From: Donald Keil <dlkeil@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Like Having an Electrician in a Bottle ----- Forwarded Message ----- | Approve sender | Approve domain   New to S, so what is rail Zip 2, I used W D 40 with the great results but one of my 360 did go up in flames, put out the fire and and turn the power back on and it work fine I assume Rail Zip 2 is better or is it flamable too. DON ________________________________ From: John <wyoaf@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:39 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Like Having an Electrician in a Bottle   Greetings all. As tradition dictates, my trusty 21085 Pacific carried out its round-the-tree duties flawlessly, hauling its red Santa Fe hopper, green Great Northern boxcar, searchlight car, Monon gondola with a seated Snoopy and a 930 lighted caboose. As the room filled with the aroma of Anorml 1 Fluid, the men were content to savor the time honored scent, but the women complained. So, a GP-7 GM diesel was retrieved from the shelves downstairs so as to continue the operation, but without smoke. Alas, the headlights shined and the E-unit clicked, but no operation. After much tapping and repetition (you know the drill) the GP-7 body shell was removed and the wiring inspected. All OK. The E-unit fingers were intact and in contact with the drum, and it was cycling,so all appeared OK (as balky American Flyers E units generally do). Back to the basement to retrieve my bottle of Rail-Zip 2, an electrical conductivity enhancer sold by Pacer Technology. I have used this product on the 2-train slide-switch of AF turnouts, and proceeded to squeeze two drops on the GP-7 E-unit drum. I rotated the drum by working the pawl with my finger, set it back on the track, and EUREKA ! The GP-7 sprang to life and operates perfectly. Rail-Zip 2 instantly has become part of my AF E-unit maintenance regimen, and I recommend it to you. If A.C. Gilbert was around today, he probably would include a bottle of Rail-Zip 2 in each set that has a 4-step E Unit. It worked well for me. All the best. John Davis Noblesville IN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67349	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: Re: Like Having an Electrician in a Bottle

From: Alan lambert � Lone Star Flyer Club � Arlington, Texas   Don,   It is like WD-40 only better. It penetrates existing corrosion; restores electrical conductivity;retardesrate of corrosion; Safe for plastic; lasts for8 to 12 weeks. That means it is a good track cleaner as well. That what I got it for and it works. Thanks, � Alan �   From: Donald Keil <dlkeil@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Like Having an Electrician in a Bottle   New to S, so what is rail Zip 2, I used W D 40 with the great results but one of my 360 did go up in flames, put out the fire and and turn the power back on and it work fine I assume Rail Zip 2 is better or is it flamable too. DON ________________________________ From: John <wyoaf@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:39 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Like Having an Electrician in a Bottle   Greetings all. As tradition dictates, my trusty 21085 Pacific carried out its round-the-tree duties flawlessly, hauling its red Santa Fe hopper, green Great Northern boxcar, searchlight car, Monon gondola with a seated Snoopy and a 930 lighted caboose. As the room filled with the aroma of Anorml 1 Fluid, the men were content to savor the time honored scent, but the women complained. So, a GP-7 GM diesel was retrieved from the shelves downstairs so as to continue the operation, but without smoke. Alas, the headlights shined and the E-unit clicked, but no operation. After much tapping and repetition (you know the drill) the GP-7 body shell was removed and the wiring inspected. All OK. The E-unit fingers were intact and in contact with the drum, and it was cycling,so all appeared OK (as balky American Flyers E units generally do). Back to the basement to retrieve my bottle of Rail-Zip 2, an electrical conductivity enhancer sold by Pacer Technology. I have used this product on the 2-train slide-switch of AF turnouts, and proceeded to squeeze two drops on the GP-7 E-unit drum. I rotated the drum by working the pawl with my finger, set it back on the track, and EUREKA ! The GP-7 sprang to life and operates perfectly. Rail-Zip 2 instantly has become part of my AF E-unit maintenance regimen, and I recommend it to you. If A.C. Gilbert was around today, he probably would include a bottle of Rail-Zip 2 in each set that has a 4-step E Unit. It worked well for me. All the best. John Davis Noblesville IN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67350	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: Re: Scale Wheel sets with the Flyonel U33C diesels

Let me add to Alan's comments. Forgetting what the scalers want, it is in the best interest of buyers of the U33C to follow up and ask for the scale wheels even if they do not intend to use them. I say this because the RESALE VALUE of your U33C will likely be higher if you have the scale wheels. Think of how the SHS F3 and F7 units are boxed. They are delivered with highrail wheels but come with scale wheels and a bunch of other parts too. If an owner decides to sell their SHS unit, the RESALE VALUE will be enhanced if those optional spare parts are still in the box. If you buy a U33C unit and then decide to sell, the RESALE VALUE is probably going to be enhanced because a scaler might bid on it. So in conclusion, don't just order the scale wheels because the scalers want you to, do it to preserve the value of your purchase. The U33C was advertised as coming with scale wheels and you have paid for it. So you might as well follow up and ask Lionel to send the scale wheels to you. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 12/27/2011 2:30:59 P.M. Central Standard Time, alanlambert64@... writes: To All, This is in responce to our scale buddies. They would like for Lionel to offer Scale wheels in the future. The U33C was sent out without this option. they metioned to send in your request to Customer services to get your scale wheels. What that mens is that they would like Lionel to be moer like SHS and includethe scale wheels with the loco's and cars so that the scale guys will have a new market to deal with. We need to let Lionel know that there is a market out there for the scale wheel version of what they offer in "S" American Flyer. They would apreciat our(Highrailers) help Sounds like they want more than just Brass engines with scale wheel sets. They may return the favor and help us out with new stuff from Lionel. My thoughts only and just trying to help. Thanks, Alan Lambert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67351	From: Al Baker	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: Re: Scale Wheel sets

So just to add a little to Alan's post: if you are a hi-railer and you are buying a Lionel U33C, then the S-Scalers ask that you take the option with Lionel to receive the optional scale wheel set. That does three things, first it helps to get a message to Lionel that there are people that want them, so maybe then Lionel will continue to offer them for the S-Scale guys. Secondly, having the additional sales that the S-Scalers could provide, may encourage Lionel to make more S stuff. And lastly, if you decide to sell your U33C later, then having the scale wheels to offer, may make your locomotive more valuable or easier to sell. Al Baker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Lambert" <alanlambert64@...> wrote: > > > To All, > This is in responce to our scale buddies. They would like for Lionel > to offer Scale wheels in the future. The U33C was sent out without this > option. they metioned to send in your request to Customer services to get your scale wheels. What that mens is that they would like Lionel to be moer like SHS and includethe scale wheels with the loco's and cars so that the scale guys will have a new market to deal with. We need to let Lionel know that there is a market out there for the scale wheel version of what they offer in "S" American Flyer. They would apreciat our(Highrailers) help Sounds like they want more than just Brass engines with scale wheel sets. They may return the favor and help us out with new stuff from Lionel. My thoughts only and just trying to help. > Thanks, > Alan Lambert >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67352	From: Dave	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: DRIVE WHEEL BLACK INSULATORS (advertisement)

We have just listed these insulators at our web site and are now open for purchase. Please use this link to review the items: http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html Thank you all for your continuing support. Dave LBR Enterprises,llc 502-292-1872

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67353	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: Re: Like Having an Electrician in a Bottle

WD 40 should not be used ever except as a last resort to freeing up a rusty or gummed up piece. Even then all traces of it needs to be washed off with a good non residue contact cleaner or alchohol. It otherwise leaves a gummy varbnish like substance that hardens over time. Besides which it has no lubricating qualities. Alistair On Wed 28/12/11 2:27 AM , Donald Keil dlkeil@... sent: New to S, so what is rail Zip 2, I used W D 40 with the great results but one of my 360 did go up in flames, put out the fire and and turn the power back on and it work fine I assume Rail Zip 2 is better or is it flamable too. DON ________________________________ From: John To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [2] Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:39 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Like Having an Electrician in a Bottle Greetings all. As tradition dictates, my trusty 21085 Pacific carried out its round-the-tree duties flawlessly, hauling its red Santa Fe hopper, green Great Northern boxcar, searchlight car, Monon gondola with a seated Snoopy and a 930 lighted caboose. As the room filled with the aroma of Anorml 1 Fluid, the men were content to savor the time honored scent, but the women complained. So, a GP-7 GM diesel was retrieved from the shelves downstairs so as to continue the operation, but without smoke. Alas, the headlights shined and the E-unit clicked, but no operation. After much tapping and repetition (you know the drill) the GP-7 body shell was removed and the wiring inspected. All OK. The E-unit fingers were intact and in contact with the drum, and it was cycling,so all appeared OK (as balky American Flyers E units generally do). Back to the basement to retrieve my bottle of Rail-Zip 2, an electrical conductivity enhancer sold by Pacer Technology. I have used this product on the 2-train slide-switch of AF turnouts, and proceeded to squeeze two drops on the GP-7 E-unit drum. I rotated the drum by working the pawl with my finger, set it back on the track, and EUREKA ! The GP-7 sprang to life and operates perfectly. Rail-Zip 2 instantly has become part of my AF E-unit maintenance regimen, and I recommend it to you. If A.C. Gilbert was around today, he probably would include a bottle of Rail-Zip 2 in each set that has a 4-step E Unit. It worked well for me. All the best. John Davis Noblesville IN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:wyoaf@... [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [3] mailto:dlkeil@...?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Like%20Having%20an%20Electrician%20in%20a%20Bottle [4] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re:%20%5BS-Trains%5D%20Like%20Having%20an%20Electrician%20in%20a%20Bottle [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvN3JjanYyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzM0NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjUwMTc4NjM-?act=reply&messageNum=67347 [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjbG5wZ2FrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjUwMTc4NjM- [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/67344;_ylc=X3oDMTM0aWswdGZxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzM0NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjUwMTc4NjMEdHBjSWQDNjczNDQ- [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZnJ2bmQwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzI1MDE3ODYz?o=6 [9] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZTgxMDRyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzI1MDE3ODYz [10] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjMjg1YzMxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMjUwMTc4NjM- [11] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [12] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15ofjbdtk/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1325025064/L=b2962b4a-30c9-11e1-ae02-930b2eb32e76/B=mEX.JkoGYrE-/J=1325017864064828/K=0w5A8jgqH3BoRzIFhWRxNA/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*<a href= [13] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJibW1rdmtnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMyNTAxNzg2Mw-- [14] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional [15] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest [16] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [17] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67354	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: What to do

My distributor claims to have the "new" A-F S Fastrak curve in stock. SO, do I now stock S Fastrack along with the A-M track that doesn't sell & the SHS track that doesn't sell or not. What to do??? Jim "pondering on the Keystone Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67355	From: Al Baker	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: Re: Like Having an Electrician in a Bottle

It works good on track joints - improves conductivity. Al Baker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote: > > From: Alan lambert >   Lone Star Flyer Club >   Arlington, Texas >   > Don, >   > It is like WD-40 only better. It penetrates existing corrosion; restores electrical conductivity;retardesrate of corrosion; Safe for plastic; lasts for8 to 12 weeks. That means it is a good track cleaner as well. That what I got it for and it works. > Thanks, >   Alan >   >   > > From: Donald Keil <dlkeil@...> > To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 10:57 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Like Having an Electrician in a Bottle > > >   > New to S, so what is rail Zip 2, I used W D 40 with the great results but one of my 360 did go up in flames, put out the fire and and turn the power back on and it work fine I assume Rail Zip 2 is better or is it flamable too. > DON > > ________________________________ > From: John <wyoaf@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:39 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Like Having an Electrician in a Bottle > > >   > Greetings all. As tradition dictates, my trusty 21085 Pacific carried out its round-the-tree duties flawlessly, hauling its red Santa Fe hopper, green Great Northern boxcar, searchlight car, Monon gondola with a seated Snoopy and a 930 lighted caboose. As the room filled with the aroma of Anorml 1 Fluid, the men were content to savor the time honored scent, but the women complained. So, a GP-7 GM diesel was retrieved from the shelves downstairs so as to continue the operation, but without smoke. Alas, the headlights shined and the E-unit clicked, but no operation. After much tapping and repetition (you know the drill) the GP-7 body shell was removed and the wiring inspected. All OK. The E-unit fingers were intact and in contact with the drum, and it was cycling,so all appeared OK (as balky American Flyers E units generally do). Back to the basement to retrieve my bottle of Rail-Zip 2, an electrical conductivity enhancer sold by Pacer Technology. I > have used this product on the 2-train slide-switch of AF turnouts, and proceeded to squeeze two drops on the GP-7 E-unit drum. I rotated the drum by working the pawl with my finger, set it back on the track, and EUREKA ! The GP-7 sprang to life and operates perfectly. Rail-Zip 2 instantly has become part of my AF E-unit maintenance regimen, and I recommend it to you. If A.C. Gilbert was around today, he probably would include a bottle of Rail-Zip 2 in each set that has a 4-step E Unit. It worked well for me. All the best. John Davis Noblesville IN > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67356	From: R G	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: Re: What to do

That's a really good question!  I have both SHS and American Models track and turnouts  and I will be using them on my next layout.  But I doubt that I will ever purchase Lionel Flyer track. I like AM track the best because of the size of the turnouts that are currently available. I like to run scale length passenger cars and modern freight cars, Traditional Flyer curves and turnouts will not handle them nor will the new Lionel AF Fast track.  ________________________________ From: "WJJIM@..." <WJJIM@...> To: s-trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 7:04 PM Subject: [S-Trains] What to do   My distributor claims to have the "new" A-F S Fastrak curve in stock. SO, do I now stock S Fastrack along with the A-M track that doesn't sell & the SHS track that doesn't sell or not. What to do??? Jim "pondering on the Keystone Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67357	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: Re: What to do

You have SHS track? In Straights? What lengths, and how many and how much? Roy Inman From: <WJJIM@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:04:36 -0500 (EST) To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] What to do My distributor claims to have the "new" A-F S Fastrak curve in stock. SO, do I now stock S Fastrack along with the A-M track that doesn't sell & the SHS track that doesn't sell or not. What to do??? Jim "pondering on the Keystone Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67358	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/27/2011
Subject: off subject

I purchased a gilbert erctor set 7 1/2 am just astounded at the life of these toys he made, was put together about the year of 1954, copyright on book, so aprox. that date, but the electric engine still runs missing a few parts got them on order, and still love his trains hope to have place to play in my garage by end of next mth. and still need to repair some of the engines and still learning.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67359	From: Doug Peck	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: What to do

SHS track that won't sell ????? Wow ! I can't get enough of it. In fact, I recently posted an accumulation of "used" (just barely) S-Trax to my website sales list, and most of it was gone within a day! The only track that has really died for me is the American S-Gauge track from Classic Trains, and I believe that to be because of the current non-availability of turnouts. As for AF FastTrack having arrived......yes, the sectional curves have begun to ship and arrive....straights very soon. And the long-awaited U33 diesels have also begun to ship----all 6 road names...... My understanding is that the Circus Sets are also enroute right now as well. December has been a very heavy month for Flyonel deliveries ! <<<My distributor claims to have the "new" A-F S Fastrak curve in stock. SO, do I now stock S Fastrack along with the A-M track that doesn't sell & the SHS track that doesn't sell or not. What to do???>>> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supply 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 doug@... www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67360	From: Thorin	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: DRIVE WHEEL BLACK INSULATORS (advertisement)

Dear Dave: Thank you for the links to our photo album. I look at the images every time. Still on the fence -- scale or Highrail. Thorin --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <lbrenterprisesllc@...> wrote: > > We have just listed these insulators at our web site and are now open for purchase. Please use this link to review the items: > > > http://www.lbrenterprisesllc.com/Page09.html > > > Thank you all for your continuing support. > Dave > LBR Enterprises,llc > 502-292-1872 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67361	From: Frank	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: What to do

Any update on the Texas Special PA's ? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 28, 2011, at 7:22 AM, "Doug Peck" <doug@...> wrote: > SHS track that won't sell ????? > > Wow ! I can't get enough of it. In fact, I recently posted an > accumulation of "used" (just barely) S-Trax to my website sales list, > and most of it was gone within a day! > > The only track that has really died for me is the American S-Gauge track > from Classic Trains, and I believe that to be because of the current > non-availability of turnouts. > > As for AF FastTrack having arrived......yes, the sectional curves have > begun to ship and arrive....straights very soon. > > And the long-awaited U33 diesels have also begun to ship----all 6 road > names...... > > My understanding is that the Circus Sets are also enroute right now as > well. > > December has been a very heavy month for Flyonel deliveries ! > > <<<My distributor claims to have the "new" A-F S Fastrak curve in stock. > SO, > do I now stock S Fastrack along with the A-M track that doesn't sell & > the > SHS track that doesn't sell or not. What to do???>>> > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supply > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > doug@... > www.portlines.com <http://www.portlines.com%20doug@...> > Shop Hours - Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 2-5 PM (EST). > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please.) > VISA-MASTERCARD-DISCOVER-AMEX-PAYPAL Accepted. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67362	From: michael prell	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject

Gilbert  did indeed create a masterpiece of creative entertainment for the young mind. What I've come to appreciate most about Errector was the fact that a kid was not spoon fed instructions. The kid was made to actually think. Anyone who has ever tried building one of his steam engines or Ferris Wheels knows what I mean. They're great fun and one never forgets the satisfaction of completing a project. Mike "S"-nottpup Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! ________________________________ From: Jimbo <jad01@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:06 AM Subject: [S-Trains] off subject   I purchased a gilbert erctor set 7 1/2 am just astounded at the life of these toys he made, was put together about the year of 1954, copyright on book, so aprox. that date, but the electric engine still runs missing a few parts got them on order, and still love his trains hope to have place to play in my garage by end of next mth. and still need to repair some of the engines and still learning. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67363	From: R G	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject

Never had Erector as a kid but I have three sets today, one is the Parachute tower. I think it is a 10 1/2.  I have tried my had at building and running the projects.  They are great fun.  You are defininately correct about having to think as all you get is a finished picture to follow and maybe a few close ups of key components. ________________________________ From: michael prell <mlprell@...> To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com" <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject   Gilbert  did indeed create a masterpiece of creative entertainment for the young mind. What I've come to appreciate most about Errector was the fact that a kid was not spoon fed instructions. The kid was made to actually think. Anyone who has ever tried building one of his steam engines or Ferris Wheels knows what I mean. They're great fun and one never forgets the satisfaction of completing a project. Mike "S"-nottpup Prell   Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! ________________________________ From: Jimbo <jad01@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:06 AM Subject: [S-Trains] off subject   I purchased a gilbert erctor set 7 1/2 am just astounded at the life of these toys he made, was put together about the year of 1954, copyright on book, so aprox. that date, but the electric engine still runs missing a few parts got them on order, and still love his trains hope to have place to play in my garage by end of next mth. and still need to repair some of the engines and still learning. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67364	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject

I was lucky, and had first an 8-1/2 set, and later a 12-/12 set when I was a kid, (and I still have them). Each of the more complicated projects (parachute jump, merry-go-round, mechanical walking man, etc.), had several pages of instructions and photographs that gave the persistent builder enough detail to figure out how to construct the project http://www.jitterbuzz.com/the_man.html has a good history of Erector and of Gilbert and is worth a look. (There is a surprise in there too about one of Gilbert’s inventions.) Jerry F. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of R G Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 10:15 AM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject Never had Erector as a kid but I have three sets today, one is the Parachute tower. I think it is a 10 1/2. I have tried my had at building and running the projects. They are great fun. You are defininately correct about having to think as all you get is a finished picture to follow and maybe a few close ups of key components. ________________________________ From: michael prell <mlprell@... <mailto:mlprell%40yahoo.com> > To: "S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> " <S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject Gilbert did indeed create a masterpiece of creative entertainment for the young mind. What I've come to appreciate most about Errector was the fact that a kid was not spoon fed instructions. The kid was made to actually think. Anyone who has ever tried building one of his steam engines or Ferris Wheels knows what I mean. They're great fun and one never forgets the satisfaction of completing a project. Mike "S"-nottpup Prell Break out the Katanas, Folks! The inmates are running the institution! ________________________________ From: Jimbo <jad01@... <mailto:jad01%40bellsouth.net> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:06 AM Subject: [S-Trains] off subject I purchased a gilbert erctor set 7 1/2 am just astounded at the life of these toys he made, was put together about the year of 1954, copyright on book, so aprox. that date, but the electric engine still runs missing a few parts got them on order, and still love his trains hope to have place to play in my garage by end of next mth. and still need to repair some of the engines and still learning. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67365	From: Charlie Vlk	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject

And how did we ever survive playing with an Erector Set???!!! Besides the lack of explicit, step by step instructions……. ……all those tiny nuts and screws to choke on! ……and those Erector Set Motors…..the electric motor was the size and had the power of the one used in your mother’s Mixmaster and plugged directly into the wall outlet!!! …..and then had all that open reduction gearing which, if you got your fingers caught between, you were going to get really hurt! Yet, I don’t recall ANY of my Grade School classmates being injured or maimed by all the things we’re protecting our grandchildren against in today’s world. I wonder if Gilbert would be able to sell the Operating Mail Car, Cattle Car, or Coal Dump Car today….. surely some kid would choke on a mailbag or cow or injest the coal. I wouldn’t trade my childhood, with all its inherent dangers, for anything! Charlie Vlk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67366	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject

The only bothersome thing to me about playing with my Erector set (8-1/2) was that my fingers would get sore from working with all those screws and nuts. I was of average intelligence and my dad only needed to tell me once about how to safely handle the motor, gears, etc. He was usually close-by when I was building a new model and as I look back on it, supervising. To keep it train related: A kid could build some really nifty bridges and other structures for his/her train set with Erector parts :) Roy From: Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:25:25 -0600 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [S-Trains] off subject And how did we ever survive playing with an Erector Set???!!! Besides the lack of explicit, step by step instructionsŠŠ. ŠŠall those tiny nuts and screws to choke on! ŠŠand those Erector Set MotorsŠ..the electric motor was the size and had the power of the one used in your mother¹s Mixmaster and plugged directly into the wall outlet!!! Š..and then had all that open reduction gearing which, if you got your fingers caught between, you were going to get really hurt! Yet, I don¹t recall ANY of my Grade School classmates being injured or maimed by all the things we¹re protecting our grandchildren against in today¹s world. I wonder if Gilbert would be able to sell the Operating Mail Car, Cattle Car, or Coal Dump Car todayŠ.. surely some kid would choke on a mailbag or cow or injest the coal. I wouldn¹t trade my childhood, with all its inherent dangers, for anything! Charlie Vlk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67367	From: Dave	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: NEW LINK

We have just posted a new link to a very old "S" club. We now have a contact link to the CENTRAL NEW YORK "S" GAUGE ASSOCIATION at our home page. For the "S" gaugers in the Syracuse NY area and every where else use the link to say hello and get aquainted anew or again. Dave LBR Enterprises,llc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67368	From: Mike Andrzejewski	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject

How about Gilbert's U-238 Atomic Energy Lab - complete with real radioactive materials? http://gombessa.tripod.com/scienceleadstheway/id4.html%c2%a0 ________________________________ From: Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 3:25 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] off subject   And how did we ever survive playing with an Erector Set???!!! Besides the lack of explicit, step by step instructions……. ……all those tiny nuts and screws to choke on! ……and those Erector Set Motors…..the electric motor was the size and had the power of the one used in your mother’s Mixmaster and plugged directly into the wall outlet!!! …..and then had all that open reduction gearing which, if you got your fingers caught between, you were going to get really hurt! Yet, I don’t recall ANY of my Grade School classmates being injured or maimed by all the things we’re protecting our grandchildren against in today’s world. I wonder if Gilbert would be able to sell the Operating Mail Car, Cattle Car, or Coal Dump Car today….. surely some kid would choke on a mailbag or cow or injest the coal. I wouldn’t trade my childhood, with all its inherent dangers, for anything! Charlie Vlk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67369	From: jim_marski	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: FOR SALE- Lionel Flyer MoPac Passenger set

Selling an excellent 49601 boxed Lionel Flyer MoPac passenger set. Has very light use. Comes in original boxes- set box has some corner crush. $400 including shipping. Email me OFFLIST Thanks Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67370	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject

http://www.girderpanel.com/ never had Erector sets, as I grew up in the 60s, 1955, product, but I had a ton of these sets, mostly the bridges. I got a box number five set in my computer room. In one set, I was missing all the road signs. I wrote to Kenner and they not only sent me TWO sets of road signs, but extra straight road way, set of lights and other things. Kenner was named after 2 brothers. My set has Kenner, Cincinnati 2,Ohio, before the days of Zip Codes but postal zones. Try getting a response like that from Lionel. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67371	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject

Charlie, Absolutely correct! We either knew already to keep our fingers out of the gears, or we learned that lesson quickly moving the mechanism by hand. The most dangerous thing in the whole set was that damn cheap screwdriver made out of a piece of metal rod. That thing drew more blood than anything else in the set. Jerry F. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Vlk Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:25 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] off subject And how did we ever survive playing with an Erector Set???!!! Besides the lack of explicit, step by step instructions……. ……all those tiny nuts and screws to choke on! ……and those Erector Set Motors…..the electric motor was the size and had the power of the one used in your mother’s Mixmaster and plugged directly into the wall outlet!!! …..and then had all that open reduction gearing which, if you got your fingers caught between, you were going to get really hurt! Yet, I don’t recall ANY of my Grade School classmates being injured or maimed by all the things we’re protecting our grandchildren against in today’s world. I wonder if Gilbert would be able to sell the Operating Mail Car, Cattle Car, or Coal Dump Car today….. surely some kid would choke on a mailbag or cow or injest the coal. I wouldn’t trade my childhood, with all its inherent dangers, for anything! Charlie Vlk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67372	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject

It was a great time to be a kid! Electric Trains, Wooden Blocks, Tinker Toys, Lincoln Logs, Erector Sets, plastic steel beam construction sets by Kenner, and three or four plastic brick outfits. There were many toys which taught construction methods, mechanical movements, basic electricity, and allowed kids to use their imaginations. I remember trading bubble gum sports cards to other kids for erector sets when I was 11 or 12. Today I'm not sure who got the better deal, but at the time, I did. I actually feel sorry for kids who don't have parents or grandparents to expose them to the stuff we had. Have fun and enjoy the memories. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67373	From: Gerald Feldman	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject

Mike, A really neat set, but I have never had the chance to see one in person. Probably the most dangerous thing in the set was the Geiger counter. And that was only if one was inattentive enough to open it with the power still on and touch a contact having the high voltage to the GM tube (been there, done that, said naughty words). The materials in the set were chosen to be relatively safe, and were certainly safer than some of the contents of the chemistry set. Jerry F. (Retired medical radiation safety officer) From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Andrzejewski Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:17 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject How about Gilbert's U-238 Atomic Energy Lab - complete with real radioactive materials? http://gombessa.tripod.com/scienceleadstheway/id4.html ________________________________ From: Charlie Vlk <cvlk@... <mailto:cvlk%40comcast.net> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com <mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 3:25 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] off subject And how did we ever survive playing with an Erector Set???!!! Besides the lack of explicit, step by step instructions……. ……all those tiny nuts and screws to choke on! ……and those Erector Set Motors…..the electric motor was the size and had the power of the one used in your mother’s Mixmaster and plugged directly into the wall outlet!!! …..and then had all that open reduction gearing which, if you got your fingers caught between, you were going to get really hurt! Yet, I don’t recall ANY of my Grade School classmates being injured or maimed by all the things we’re protecting our grandchildren against in today’s world. I wonder if Gilbert would be able to sell the Operating Mail Car, Cattle Car, or Coal Dump Car today….. surely some kid would choke on a mailbag or cow or injest the coal. I wouldn’t trade my childhood, with all its inherent dangers, for anything! Charlie Vlk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67374	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject

um, Stumpy, the cards might be worth a bunch, but hey, you had fun in trading them for Erector and that is what counts. Me? I have all my cards from 1959 to 1974. Over 20,000 cards, one rookie Pete Rose only, but many rookies plus many Mickey Mantles and so on. The cards are on my train insurance policy. Mike From: mrstumpy50 Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 4:44 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Off subject It was a great time to be a kid! Electric Trains, Wooden Blocks, Tinker Toys, Lincoln Logs, Erector Sets, plastic steel beam construction sets by Kenner, and three or four plastic brick outfits. There were many toys which taught construction methods, mechanical movements, basic electricity, and allowed kids to use their imaginations. I remember trading bubble gum sports cards to other kids for erector sets when I was 11 or 12. Today I'm not sure who got the better deal, but at the time, I did. I actually feel sorry for kids who don't have parents or grandparents to expose them to the stuff we had. Have fun and enjoy the memories. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67375	From: Robert	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Been away for a while

Hi All, Been out of the loop for a while and was wondering what the latest info on the availability of American Models and S helper Service items particularly locomotives is at present. Bob (formerly from Butte)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67376	From: aztecfan	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Need Tom's turnouts to match AM 148 track

Thanks Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67377	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject

From: Alan Lambert � Lone Star Flyer Club Arlington, texas   Mike,  I still have one of those kits. It's the small set with the elevator light. I am thinking of using some of it on my layout when I get to it . I like along with the Erector set I have. � Thanks, Alan From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject   http://www.girderpanel.com/ never had Erector sets, as I grew up in the 60s, 1955, product, but I had a ton of these sets, mostly the bridges. I got a box number five set in my computer room. In one set, I was missing all the road signs. I wrote to Kenner and they not only sent me TWO sets of road signs, but extra straight road way, set of lights and other things. Kenner was named after 2 brothers. My set has Kenner, Cincinnati 2,Ohio, before the days of Zip Codes but postal zones. Try getting a response like that from Lionel. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67378	From: Brady	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: What to do

I'm not interested in new Lionel/Flyer, but some folks may want a loop or two for under next years Christmas tree. Beyond that, Lionel's commitment to the track is unsure. The O gauge Fastrack seems to have taken off but it's also in all new O gauge sets. Just my two cents.. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67379	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: Been away for a while

There are a few locomotives on eBay but not a whole lot. Very few SHS F units are being offered. There is a Santa Fe F7 B unit in chrome. There are a lot of AM and SHS freight cars on eBay right now, some at reasonable prices, some not reasonable. Some of the most sought-after freight cars, like the State of Maine boxcars, are bringing very high prices. The SHS billboard reefers continue to sell well. But prices on most freight cars are down, in my estimation. I am particularly surprised at the low prices of special Christmas cars, even the SHS ones. Just my opinions but I have been eying ebay pretty closely to determine how to price items I have been selling via yahoo groups. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 12/28/2011 6:41:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, danceswithwolves49@... writes: Hi All, Been out of the loop for a while and was wondering what the latest info on the availability of American Models and S helper Service items particularly locomotives is at present. Bob (formerly from Butte) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67380	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject

Alan, good for you, That is probably set number 8 or 9, as it had mechanical and electrical things you could build. Kenner was originally a Canadian company I read on the website I sent. Mike From: Alan Lambert Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:57 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject From: Alan Lambert � Lone Star Flyer Club Arlington, texas Mike, I still have one of those kits. It's the small set with the elevator light. I am thinking of using some of it on my layout when I get to it . I like along with the Erector set I have. � Thanks, Alan From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject http://www.girderpanel.com/ never had Erector sets, as I grew up in the 60s, 1955, product, but I had a ton of these sets, mostly the bridges. I got a box number five set in my computer room. In one set, I was missing all the road signs. I wrote to Kenner and they not only sent me TWO sets of road signs, but extra straight road way, set of lights and other things. Kenner was named after 2 brothers. My set has Kenner, Cincinnati 2,Ohio, before the days of Zip Codes but postal zones. Try getting a response like that from Lionel. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67381	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject

On 12/28/2011 1:25 PM, Charlie Vlk wrote: > And how did we ever survive playing with an Erector Set???!!! > > Besides the lack of explicit, step by step instructions……. > > ……all those tiny nuts and screws to choke on! > > ……and those Erector Set Motors…..the electric motor was the size and had > the power of the one used in your mother’s Mixmaster and plugged > directly into the wall outlet!!! I have at least three Erector sets, the 8-1/2, the 10-1/2, and the 12-1/2. When I was a kid, my dad used to buy me an American Flyer train set every birthday and Christmas. Some occasions he would alternate with the Erector sets. I still have all of them and can only remember one time when I was injured playing with them. One time I stupidly grabbed the plug wrong on an Erector motor and got my fingers across the prongs with it partially plugged in. The corporate lawyers would "protect" us today from such stupid actions. :-( When i was a kid, my parents didn't have to "childproof" the house. If we got hurt, they just scolded us and said, "You won't do that again, will you?" :-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67382	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject

From: Alan Lambert � Lone Star Flyer Club � Arlington, Texas   Mike, Mine must be before Kenner took over. Mine is City Scape Girder and Panel Building System which is the same as what you posted. It just does not have the Kenner name on it anywhere. Thought I would let you know. I will try to get a picture posted somehow. � Thanks, Alan   From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject   Alan, good for you, That is probably set number 8 or 9, as it had mechanical and electrical things you could build. Kenner was originally a Canadian company I read on the website I sent. Mike From: Alan Lambert Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:57 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject From: Alan Lambert � Lone Star Flyer Club Arlington, texas Mike, I still have one of those kits. It's the small set with the elevator light. I am thinking of using some of it on my layout when I get to it . I like along with the Erector set I have. � Thanks, Alan From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject http://www.girderpanel.com/ never had Erector sets, as I grew up in the 60s, 1955, product, but I had a ton of these sets, mostly the bridges. I got a box number five set in my computer room. In one set, I was missing all the road signs. I wrote to Kenner and they not only sent me TWO sets of road signs, but extra straight road way, set of lights and other things. Kenner was named after 2 brothers. My set has Kenner, Cincinnati 2,Ohio, before the days of Zip Codes but postal zones. Try getting a response like that from Lionel. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67383	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject

From: Alan Lambert � Lone Star Flyer Club �Arlington, Texas �Mike, I have to change what I said about the girder set. Mine is made by Irwin. It says Girder and Panel Building System City Scape. It was made in Canada, so it may be before kenner took over. I have to look into that now. � Thanks, Alan Lambert From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject   Alan, good for you, That is probably set number 8 or 9, as it had mechanical and electrical things you could build. Kenner was originally a Canadian company I read on the website I sent. Mike From: Alan Lambert Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:57 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject From: Alan Lambert � Lone Star Flyer Club Arlington, texas Mike, I still have one of those kits. It's the small set with the elevator light. I am thinking of using some of it on my layout when I get to it . I like along with the Erector set I have. � Thanks, Alan From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject http://www.girderpanel.com/ never had Erector sets, as I grew up in the 60s, 1955, product, but I had a ton of these sets, mostly the bridges. I got a box number five set in my computer room. In one set, I was missing all the road signs. I wrote to Kenner and they not only sent me TWO sets of road signs, but extra straight road way, set of lights and other things. Kenner was named after 2 brothers. My set has Kenner, Cincinnati 2,Ohio, before the days of Zip Codes but postal zones. Try getting a response like that from Lionel. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67384	From: Brady	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject

<< Never had Erector as a kid but I have three sets today, one is the Parachute tower...>> For a visual check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS4hxPzRLKg Very neat. Although Erector sets may have their own list, they're not exactly "off subject" either.. http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page1.htm Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67385	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject

Looks like Kenner sold the line to Irwin who is located in Toronto. So, it went back to Canada. But I think Irwin was taken over by another company later, as another company came up with these sets when I googled Irwin. Irwin Toys Girder and Panel Sets Kenner Toys ceased production of the 72000 series of Girder and Panel sets in 1979, ending the long run with their four "KENSTRUCT" sets. The Girder and Panel trademark seems to have been abandoned by the company. In 1992, Irwin Toys of Toronto, Canada applied to the US Trademark Office for the assumption of the abandoned trademark. Irwin then began an entire new line of Girder and Panel sets unlike any that were made before. There were new blue/grey girders, beams, and new diagonal beams for slanted roofs along with new wall panels and some new plastic items were also added. Initially they produced three sets, called "Town Centre," "Cityscape" and "Deluxe Skyscraper". All sets now had an internal light run by two AA batteries. Beginning in 1996, Irwin produced a second line of speciality sets beginning with the Gas Station set listed below. These sets had very little U.S. distribution and were mainly sold in Canada. From: Alan Lambert Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 8:55 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject From: Alan Lambert � Lone Star Flyer Club �Arlington, Texas �Mike, I have to change what I said about the girder set. Mine is made by Irwin. It says Girder and Panel Building System City Scape. It was made in Canada, so it may be before kenner took over. I have to look into that now. � Thanks, Alan Lambert From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject Alan, good for you, That is probably set number 8 or 9, as it had mechanical and electrical things you could build. Kenner was originally a Canadian company I read on the website I sent. Mike From: Alan Lambert Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:57 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject From: Alan Lambert � Lone Star Flyer Club Arlington, texas Mike, I still have one of those kits. It's the small set with the elevator light. I am thinking of using some of it on my layout when I get to it . I like along with the Erector set I have. � Thanks, Alan From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject http://www.girderpanel.com/ never had Erector sets, as I grew up in the 60s, 1955, product, but I had a ton of these sets, mostly the bridges. I got a box number five set in my computer room. In one set, I was missing all the road signs. I wrote to Kenner and they not only sent me TWO sets of road signs, but extra straight road way, set of lights and other things. Kenner was named after 2 brothers. My set has Kenner, Cincinnati 2,Ohio, before the days of Zip Codes but postal zones. Try getting a response like that from Lionel. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67386	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject

http://www.girderpanel.com/ Interesting Alan, but according to this website, the company before Kenner was Peter-Austin Manufacturing Co., Toronto, Ontario Canada I will try to google Irwin. Mike From: Alan Lambert Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 8:55 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject From: Alan Lambert � Lone Star Flyer Club �Arlington, Texas �Mike, I have to change what I said about the girder set. Mine is made by Irwin. It says Girder and Panel Building System City Scape. It was made in Canada, so it may be before kenner took over. I have to look into that now. � Thanks, Alan Lambert From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject Alan, good for you, That is probably set number 8 or 9, as it had mechanical and electrical things you could build. Kenner was originally a Canadian company I read on the website I sent. Mike From: Alan Lambert Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:57 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject From: Alan Lambert � Lone Star Flyer Club Arlington, texas Mike, I still have one of those kits. It's the small set with the elevator light. I am thinking of using some of it on my layout when I get to it . I like along with the Erector set I have. � Thanks, Alan From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject http://www.girderpanel.com/ never had Erector sets, as I grew up in the 60s, 1955, product, but I had a ton of these sets, mostly the bridges. I got a box number five set in my computer room. In one set, I was missing all the road signs. I wrote to Kenner and they not only sent me TWO sets of road signs, but extra straight road way, set of lights and other things. Kenner was named after 2 brothers. My set has Kenner, Cincinnati 2,Ohio, before the days of Zip Codes but postal zones. Try getting a response like that from Lionel. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67387	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject

Thanks Alan, as I should of not use the assume principle here. LOL Mike From: Alan Lambert Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:27 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject From: Alan Lambert � Lone Star Flyer Club � Arlington, Texas Mike, Mine must be before Kenner took over. Mine is City Scape Girder and Panel Building System which is the same as what you posted. It just does not have the Kenner name on it anywhere. Thought I would let you know. I will try to get a picture posted somehow. � Thanks, Alan From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject Alan, good for you, That is probably set number 8 or 9, as it had mechanical and electrical things you could build. Kenner was originally a Canadian company I read on the website I sent. Mike From: Alan Lambert Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:57 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject From: Alan Lambert � Lone Star Flyer Club Arlington, texas Mike, I still have one of those kits. It's the small set with the elevator light. I am thinking of using some of it on my layout when I get to it . I like along with the Erector set I have. � Thanks, Alan From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject http://www.girderpanel.com/ never had Erector sets, as I grew up in the 60s, 1955, product, but I had a ton of these sets, mostly the bridges. I got a box number five set in my computer room. In one set, I was missing all the road signs. I wrote to Kenner and they not only sent me TWO sets of road signs, but extra straight road way, set of lights and other things. Kenner was named after 2 brothers. My set has Kenner, Cincinnati 2,Ohio, before the days of Zip Codes but postal zones. Try getting a response like that from Lionel. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67388	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/28/2011
Subject: Re: off subject

To be the real Parachute Jump ride, the parachutes have to get caught at the top like what happened at the real one from time to time. Just kidding. Nice work on the Erector one. Mike From: Brady Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 8:55 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: off subject << Never had Erector as a kid but I have three sets today, one is the Parachute tower...>> For a visual check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS4hxPzRLKg Very neat. Although Erector sets may have their own list, they're not exactly "off subject" either.. http://www.myflyertrains.org/AF_Catalogs/1950Catalog/AF_1950_catalog_page1.htm Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67389	From: djdewey@cncnet.com	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Off Subject--Girder & Panel Sets

Ah yes, although my brothers had a small erector set, I received (and still have) the BIG Kenner Girder& Panel AND Bridge & Turnpike set with elevator and lots of stuff. I played with it so much, I once asked my mom to hide it for a week so I would do other things. Once built a real suspension bridge with it (nope, not in the instruction book!). Later, I used it for a "factory" building on my layout, and for a 'building under construction" spot. I remember the Christmas morning I got it, I needed 2 D cell batteries for the elevator--and the store was closed! AUGH! a whole day of waiting. "Batteries not included" Yep ACG had the better idea--plug it into the wall! Mine was red girders, but I've purchased sets (no boxes) at yard sales with blue girders. "It's Kenner--AWK!! It's FUN!" S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67390	From: Dave Winslow	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Re: off subject

On 12/28/2011 8:55 PM, Brady wrote: > << Never had Erector as a kid but I have three sets today, > one is the Parachute tower...>> I stayed with my aunt after school, and she had the set with the zeppelin from 1929: http://www.girdersandgears.com/erector-1929-8.html I played with that set up into my teens.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67391	From: Alan Lambert	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Re: off subject

From: Alan Lambert   Mike , go back on that site and look at the 1992 time frame. You will then see my set #55120 with 298 pieces. Thanks for all the info on this. Now I will keep it  a lot longer now. Wish I could have found the 55120 with more pieces.I got mine through K-B Toys. You guest it  they are no longe rhere but they had mostly toys and no trains. � Thanks, Alan From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject   http://www.girderpanel.com/ Interesting Alan, but according to this website, the company before Kenner was Peter-Austin Manufacturing Co., Toronto, Ontario Canada I will try to google Irwin. Mike From: Alan Lambert Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 8:55 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject From: Alan Lambert � Lone Star Flyer Club �Arlington, Texas �Mike, I have to change what I said about the girder set. Mine is made by Irwin. It says Girder and Panel Building System City Scape. It was made in Canada, so it may be before kenner took over. I have to look into that now. � Thanks, Alan Lambert From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject Alan, good for you, That is probably set number 8 or 9, as it had mechanical and electrical things you could build. Kenner was originally a Canadian company I read on the website I sent. Mike From: Alan Lambert Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:57 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject From: Alan Lambert � Lone Star Flyer Club Arlington, texas Mike, I still have one of those kits. It's the small set with the elevator light. I am thinking of using some of it on my layout when I get to it . I like along with the Erector set I have. � Thanks, Alan From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject http://www.girderpanel.com/ never had Erector sets, as I grew up in the 60s, 1955, product, but I had a ton of these sets, mostly the bridges. I got a box number five set in my computer room. In one set, I was missing all the road signs. I wrote to Kenner and they not only sent me TWO sets of road signs, but extra straight road way, set of lights and other things. Kenner was named after 2 brothers. My set has Kenner, Cincinnati 2,Ohio, before the days of Zip Codes but postal zones. Try getting a response like that from Lionel. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67392	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: What to do

Doug, Have two boxes of NEW 20" curve left, retail. A pair of "S" guys saw them, one remarked to the other that that was what he needed to finish a loop of track. The potential buyer agreed, then stated he wasn't paying retail. Off they went. Only table of 250 that had any SHS track. "S" folks have the worst rep there is in the SUS-Q Valley--Lehigh Valley area, just a fact of life. I have one fella that plays Bill Parr off of me twice a year at Allentown. IF Parr has it, it isn't with him or he can't find it, but, it is always cheaper. One individual wasted an entire morning trying to get A-M track below cost & shipping, at one point thought I should swap it for HO, sight unseen. Another fella walked up and bought it. Happy New Year JIm ____________________________________ From: doug@... Reply-to: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: 12/28/2011 10:11:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time Subj: [S-Trains] Re: What to do SHS track that won't sell ????? Wow ! I can't get enough of it. In fact, I recently posted an accumulation of "used" (just barely) S-Trax to my website sales list, and most of it was gone within [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67393	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Fw: Red and Rover

http://www.gocomics.com/redandrover A comic strip in the Washington Post I normally do not follow but it caught my eye today. Train related. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67394	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Re: off subject

Alan, Thanks will do. By the way, you mention KB Toys. The Washington Post just interview on of the owners who is in 90s now and lives in Maryland. A nice interview, as he had a big passion for the toys we played with . His last name is Kaufman, as KB stands for Kaufman Brothers, which I did not know. Mike From: Alan Lambert Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:33 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject From: Alan Lambert Mike , go back on that site and look at the 1992 time frame. You will then see my set #55120 with 298 pieces. Thanks for all the info on this. Now I will keep it a lot longer now. Wish I could have found the 55120 with more pieces.I got mine through K-B Toys. You guest it they are no longe rhere but they had mostly toys and no trains. � Thanks, Alan From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject http://www.girderpanel.com/ Interesting Alan, but according to this website, the company before Kenner was Peter-Austin Manufacturing Co., Toronto, Ontario Canada I will try to google Irwin. Mike From: Alan Lambert Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 8:55 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject From: Alan Lambert � Lone Star Flyer Club �Arlington, Texas �Mike, I have to change what I said about the girder set. Mine is made by Irwin. It says Girder and Panel Building System City Scape. It was made in Canada, so it may be before kenner took over. I have to look into that now. � Thanks, Alan Lambert From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject Alan, good for you, That is probably set number 8 or 9, as it had mechanical and electrical things you could build. Kenner was originally a Canadian company I read on the website I sent. Mike From: Alan Lambert Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:57 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject From: Alan Lambert � Lone Star Flyer Club Arlington, texas Mike, I still have one of those kits. It's the small set with the elevator light. I am thinking of using some of it on my layout when I get to it . I like along with the Erector set I have. � Thanks, Alan From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject http://www.girderpanel.com/ never had Erector sets, as I grew up in the 60s, 1955, product, but I had a ton of these sets, mostly the bridges. I got a box number five set in my computer room. In one set, I was missing all the road signs. I wrote to Kenner and they not only sent me TWO sets of road signs, but extra straight road way, set of lights and other things. Kenner was named after 2 brothers. My set has Kenner, Cincinnati 2,Ohio, before the days of Zip Codes but postal zones. Try getting a response like that from Lionel. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67395	From: Thorin	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject

Erector sets! I got one of the last ones made by A.C.Gilbert. I owned many screwdrivers and the one with the set had a plastic handle. It was the metal wrench to hold the square nuts that caused issues. My father was to receive a bike for his 10th birthday. Two days before he chased a ball out into the street, met a car and a broken leg. He got an 9 1/2 instead. (The 10 1/2 had the locomotive and track.) He had so much that when the neighborhood kids lost enough pieces, the remains would vanish into his set. He told me his fingers used to go bloody building the walking beam engine and the steam power plant AT THE SAME TIME AS A DOUBLE ENDED MONSTER. I was NOT permitted to play with his sets. There was hell to pay if I lost a nut. I stopped playing when I lost enough nuts. The set was done by 1969. Since 1984 I have acquired a number of additional sets (plus my father's). I still plan to build a specialty car for my layout. I also want a rolling lift bridge, I have enough parts. It is so tempting to build it out of Erector set and just live with the fact that it is not scale. Thorin --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Linda Marmer" <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > > um, Stumpy, the cards might be worth a bunch, but hey, you had fun in trading them for Erector and that is what counts. > > Me? I have all my cards from 1959 to 1974. Over 20,000 cards, one rookie Pete Rose only, but many rookies plus many Mickey Mantles and so on. The cards are on my train insurance policy. > > Mike > > From: mrstumpy50 > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 4:44 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] RE: Off subject > > > It was a great time to be a kid! Electric Trains, Wooden Blocks, Tinker Toys, Lincoln Logs, Erector Sets, plastic steel beam construction sets by Kenner, and three or four plastic brick outfits. > There were many toys which taught construction methods, mechanical movements, basic electricity, and allowed kids to use their imaginations. > I remember trading bubble gum sports cards to other kids for erector sets when I was 11 or 12. Today I'm not sure who got the better deal, but at the time, I did. > I actually feel sorry for kids who don't have parents or grandparents to expose them to the stuff we had. > Have fun and enjoy the memories. > Stumpy in Ahia > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67396	From: Thorin	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject

Wooden blocks and American Flyer. Now that brings back memories. I would build a two-track engine house with wooden blocks. I had blocks that all worked together. True alphabet blocks (2*2*2) would form the bottom and always said "West Cross". Above them were 1*2*8 on end forming the high walls (no windows). 1*2*2 extended the 1*2*8s to the roof. The roof was a piece of 1/2 inch plywood. The engine house was about 25 blocks long. Four or five of the top 1*2*2 were replaced by another 1*2*(something custom) with a 1*1*2 on top. This created supports for the wires and lights as I now had a 1 unit gap below the plywood. Last I had several of the LifeLike highway lights with the long florescent bulbs. I got them second hand: the lower half of the post was gone. I would put these on the outside. The back of the alphabet blocks was flush with the 1*2*8 forming a shelf in front. The LifeLike lights would be on the shelf, tight against the 1*2*8. The lights inside illuminated the two tracks, often with working caternary! The outside lights illuminated the track beside the engine house. Between the two tracks, where they entered the building, was another alphabet block, 1*2*8, etc. I had the last light here. This was a very strong building. The plywood kept everything in place. I stored pounds of paper on top of that engine house for years. The last version was taken apart in about 1977. This building was so successful, so nice, that I am tempted to rebuild it today. So it ain't prototypical. It was strong and it was dependable. Even the cats could not damage it and my current cats often roam the benchwork of my still-born layout. I wonder which of my sisters got the blocks? Thorin --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > It was a great time to be a kid! Electric Trains, Wooden Blocks, Tinker Toys, Lincoln Logs, Erector Sets, plastic steel beam construction sets by Kenner, and three or four plastic brick outfits. > There were many toys which taught construction methods, mechanical movements, basic electricity, and allowed kids to use their imaginations. > I remember trading bubble gum sports cards to other kids for erector sets when I was 11 or 12. Today I'm not sure who got the better deal, but at the time, I did. > I actually feel sorry for kids who don't have parents or grandparents to expose them to the stuff we had. > Have fun and enjoy the memories. > Stumpy in Ahia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67397	From: Thorin	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Re: off subject

Good morning: Both of my sets say 'Kenner' right on the box. A year or so I did an Internet search. They are available again. Plastics have changed colors. I did not purchase anything new. I don't believe the new ones read 'Kenner'. None of the pieces in my sets had 'Kenner' stamped into them. Only the box (and possibly the easy-to-alter instructions) read 'Kenner'. My sets are labeled 'Kenner Panel Builder Set'. I built many modern stations with these sets for my American Flyer layouts in the late 1960s and early 1970s. I remember red crape paper, a red bulb, a smoking Pacific up on blocks, and a button to flash the light gave a good 'building on fire'. Later buildings were more utilitarian. Thorin --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote: > > From: Alan Lambert >   Lone Star Flyer Club >  Arlington, Texas >  Mike, > > I have to change what I said about the girder set. Mine is made by Irwin. It says Girder and Panel Building System City Scape. It was made in Canada, so it may be before kenner took over. I have to look into that now. >   Thanks, > Alan Lambert > > From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:08 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject > > >   > Alan, > > good for you, > > That is probably set number 8 or 9, as it had mechanical and electrical things you could build. > > Kenner was originally a Canadian company I read on the website I sent. > > Mike > > From: Alan Lambert > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:57 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject > > From: Alan Lambert > � Lone Star Flyer Club > Arlington, texas > > Mike, > I still have one of those kits. It's the small set with the elevator light. I am thinking of using some of it on my layout when I get to it . I like along with the Erector set I have. > � Thanks, > Alan > > From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 3:56 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject > > http://www.girderpanel.com/ > never had Erector sets, as I grew up in the 60s, 1955, product, but I had a ton of these sets, mostly the bridges. > I got a box number five set in my computer room. > In one set, I was missing all the road signs. > I wrote to Kenner and they not only sent me TWO sets of road signs, but extra straight road way, set of lights and other things. > Kenner was named after 2 brothers. > My set has Kenner, Cincinnati 2,Ohio, before the days of Zip Codes but postal zones. > Try getting a response like that from Lionel. > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67398	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Re: off subject

That brought back memories. My brother and I both had the Kenner Girder and Panel sets. We also each had our own 6 1/2 Erector sets. My parents always duplicated our more expensive gifts, so as to keep us from wishing we had what the other had. Since my brother and I were only three years apart, in hindsight they were smart to do so. This went on throughout the years, as one year (1959) we both got new bikes (mine was a Columbia with the wide white walls and the double headlights). Another year, we both got the same table radio. Then, record players the next year. And, from about December 15th through the first week in January each year, the two level train layout my father built in the basement (8 by 25 foot) was uncovered and we played with that. I'll never forget the smell (my brother's 326 Hudson smoking away) and the sound of the Rocket Diesel set I had as it passed over the track in rubber roadbed and sped through switches and the crossover at the other end of the table. Those are memories that never go away. Bruce From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 1:56 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject http://www.girderpanel.com/ never had Erector sets, as I grew up in the 60s, 1955, product, but I had a ton of these sets, mostly the bridges. I got a box number five set in my computer room. In one set, I was missing all the road signs. I wrote to Kenner and they not only sent me TWO sets of road signs, but extra straight road way, set of lights and other things. Kenner was named after 2 brothers. My set has Kenner, Cincinnati 2,Ohio, before the days of Zip Codes but postal zones. Try getting a response like that from Lionel. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67399	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Re: off subject

It's amazing we lived through all the "hazards" that are recognized as hazards today. Bike helmets were unheard of. Teachers brought mercury to class and we rubbed it over dimes to shine them up. Lead paint. Leaded gas. I remember running and riding through the DDT clouds sprayed by the mosquito trucks in New Jersey during the summer as a kid. I'm amazed we're still alive, with all of the hoopla propagated by the regulations we have today. But, somehow, we're still here. Bruce From: Gerald Feldman Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 1:45 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] off subject Charlie, Absolutely correct! We either knew already to keep our fingers out of the gears, or we learned that lesson quickly moving the mechanism by hand. The most dangerous thing in the whole set was that damn cheap screwdriver made out of a piece of metal rod. That thing drew more blood than anything else in the set. Jerry F. From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Vlk Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:25 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] off subject And how did we ever survive playing with an Erector Set???!!! Besides the lack of explicit, step by step instructions……. ……all those tiny nuts and screws to choke on! ……and those Erector Set Motors…..the electric motor was the size and had the power of the one used in your mother’s Mixmaster and plugged directly into the wall outlet!!! …..and then had all that open reduction gearing which, if you got your fingers caught between, you were going to get really hurt! Yet, I don’t recall ANY of my Grade School classmates being injured or maimed by all the things we’re protecting our grandchildren against in today’s world. I wonder if Gilbert would be able to sell the Operating Mail Car, Cattle Car, or Coal Dump Car today….. surely some kid would choke on a mailbag or cow or injest the coal. I wouldn’t trade my childhood, with all its inherent dangers, for anything! Charlie Vlk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67400	From: R G	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Re: off subject

I had a large Kenner building and road set when I was a kid and got one for my son in the mid 80's.  His set was new in the box at a discount store and we still have it today! ________________________________ From: Thorin <lagthor@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:18 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: off subject   Good morning: Both of my sets say 'Kenner' right on the box. A year or so I did an Internet search. They are available again. Plastics have changed colors. I did not purchase anything new. I don't believe the new ones read 'Kenner'. None of the pieces in my sets had 'Kenner' stamped into them. Only the box (and possibly the easy-to-alter instructions) read 'Kenner'. My sets are labeled 'Kenner Panel Builder Set'. I built many modern stations with these sets for my American Flyer layouts in the late 1960s and early 1970s. I remember red crape paper, a red bulb, a smoking Pacific up on blocks, and a button to flash the light gave a good 'building on fire'. Later buildings were more utilitarian. Thorin --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Alan Lambert <alanlambert64@...> wrote: > > From: Alan Lambert >   Lone Star Flyer Club >  Arlington, Texas >  Mike, > > I have to change what I said about the girder set. Mine is made by Irwin. It says Girder and Panel Building System City Scape. It was made in Canada, so it may be before kenner took over. I have to look into that now. >   Thanks, > Alan Lambert > > From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:08 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject > > >   > Alan, > > good for you, > > That is probably set number 8 or 9, as it had mechanical and electrical things you could build. > > Kenner was originally a Canadian company I read on the website I sent. > > Mike > > From: Alan Lambert > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:57 PM > To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject > > From: Alan Lambert > � Lone Star Flyer Club > Arlington, texas > > Mike, > I still have one of those kits. It's the small set with the elevator light. I am thinking of using some of it on my layout when I get to it . I like along with the Erector set I have. > � Thanks, > Alan > > From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> > To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 3:56 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] off subject > > http://www.girderpanel.com/ > never had Erector sets, as I grew up in the 60s, 1955, product, but I had a ton of these sets, mostly the bridges. > I got a box number five set in my computer room. > In one set, I was missing all the road signs. > I wrote to Kenner and they not only sent me TWO sets of road signs, but extra straight road way, set of lights and other things. > Kenner was named after 2 brothers. > My set has Kenner, Cincinnati 2,Ohio, before the days of Zip Codes but postal zones. > Try getting a response like that from Lionel. > Mike Marmer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67401	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Allegheny Central RR

This is a email I sent out to some with a picture of the cover of this book. The cover is on the website below. It is not a O or S layout, but HO. But the detail is amazing. However, someone writing a introduction to the book did mention Lionel and American Flyer, as he spelled Flyer as Flier. Oh well. Mike Marmer http://www.modelrailroadphotography.com/railroads.html Book http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnNeVhXO8Gw Allegheny Central RR Linda and I just got back from Hancock MD to visit the new Blue Goose Market which was Hepburn’s Produce Market for years. Mr. Hepburn sadly passed away from a illness. We picked up some things, and one thing they had was this book on someone’s train layout. Just flipping through the book, I knew I had to get it. it is a hardback book, 118 pages, but I scanned the cover and you would not believe this is a train layout, as it looks so real. The detail in making this is amazing. Of course the way the pictures are taken, makes it all real looking. He inherited a family member RR photos and that inspired the writer to build this fictitious layout. Although the YouTube video I found says Allegheny Central RR for the RR ride from Cumberland to Frostburg, which we did in the 90s. If you look at the website for the book, you will see other photos, as they are so real looking. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67402	From: clipper841@att.net	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Re: Allegheny Central RR

the author of this book, also did two articles in rmc, a couple of years ago, relating to his grandfather and his life, he used his model railroad as a pictorial presentation, his method of photography was the same as shown on the web site, if you can find the yearly indexes for rmc, or you can rmc for help in locating the issues, using the author name on the web site On Dec 29, 2011, at 12:42 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > This is a email I sent out to some with a picture of the cover of > this book. The cover is on the website below. > > It is not a O or S layout, but HO. But the detail is amazing. > > However, someone writing a introduction to the book did mention > Lionel and American Flyer, as he spelled Flyer as Flier. Oh well. > > Mike Marmer > > http://www.modelrailroadphotography.com/railroads.html Book > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnNeVhXO8Gw Allegheny Central RR > > Linda and I just got back from Hancock MD to visit the new Blue > Goose Market which was Hepburn�s Produce Market for years. Mr. > Hepburn sadly passed away from a illness. > > We picked up some things, and one thing they had was this book on > someone�s train layout. > > Just flipping through the book, I knew I had to get it. > > it is a hardback book, 118 pages, but I scanned the cover and you > would not believe this is a train layout, as it looks so real. The > detail in making this is amazing. Of course the way the pictures > are taken, makes it all real looking. > > He inherited a family member RR photos and that inspired the writer > to build this > > fictitious layout. Although the YouTube video I found says > Allegheny Central RR for the RR ride from Cumberland to Frostburg, > which we did in the 90s. > > If you look at the website for the book, you will see other photos, > as they are so real looking. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67403	From: bull_gator_1	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: AFL Union Pacific PB-1 Question

Hi All, Can anyone post or email me a photo of the control button for the AFL Union Pacific PB-1? I understand the button came in the box with the engine. Is that correct? Thanks, BG1

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67404	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Off subject

Ah, Bruce, you bring back memories! We did what today would be incredibly dangerous stuff when I was a kid! All water pipes and paint had lead in them. After working on bikes we often cleaned the grease off with leaded gasoline before washing up with soap and water. With all the hills around here, all boys built coaster carts (soap box cars without the body.) We raced on the streets and no one thought much about blocking traffic. Did the same thing with sleds in winter, at least until the road crews came along throwing cinders off the back of a dump truck. There were plenty of cinders because everyone heated with coal. Railroads ran locos on coal, and the steel mills all used coal, as did the power plants. Heck, many men here worked in the 36 coal mines within a 50 mile radius. There were days there was so much smoke in the air you'd think it was about to rain. None of us got any sicker than today's kids do, and we'd liked to have had more time off from school! We hitch hiked everywhere, rode in the back of pick up trucks, and stood up in the back seat of automobiles. Heck, even race car drivers didn't always wear seat belts! At the first auto race I went to at 4 years old, there was no debris fence, and the spectators were allowed to stand right near the track. We hopped freight trains and rode through the tunnel under town hanging on the side ladders of hopper cars because "the big kids" dared us to. We "got away with it" because most of our fathers did it when they were kids, and deflected all our mothers' wrath somewhat. Ah, it was a different time. Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67405	From: alizoo@kern.com.au	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject

OK Boys lets get serious. Most of us baby boomers and earlier ARE suffering from the effects of the nasties we ingested. That's why so much cancer, immune system diseases, cardio vascular and other problems abound amongst us. The difference medical science has found ways of keeping us going. 50 years ago, if we were the age we are now, with the complaints we have now, many of us would be pushing up daisies without our medications. Carpe diem - in many ways life was better but it wasn't perfect. Alistair On Fri 30/12/11 10:22 AM , "mrstumpy50" mrstumpy@... sent: Ah, Bruce, you bring back memories! We did what today would be incredibly dangerous stuff when I was a kid! All water pipes and paint had lead in them. After working on bikes we often cleaned the grease off with leaded gasoline before washing up with soap and water. With all the hills around here, all boys built coaster carts (soap box cars without the body.) We raced on the streets and no one thought much about blocking traffic. Did the same thing with sleds in winter, at least until the road crews came along throwing cinders off the back of a dump truck. There were plenty of cinders because everyone heated with coal. Railroads ran locos on coal, and the steel mills all used coal, as did the power plants. Heck, many men here worked in the 36 coal mines within a 50 mile radius. There were days there was so much smoke in the air you'd think it was about to rain. None of us got any sicker than today's kids do, and we'd liked to have had more time off from school! We hitch hiked everywhere, rode in the back of pick up trucks, and stood up in the back seat of automobiles. Heck, even race car drivers didn't always wear seat belts! At the first auto race I went to at 4 years old, there was no debris fence, and the spectators were allowed to stand right near the track. We hopped freight trains and rode through the tunnel under town hanging on the side ladders of hopper cars because "the big kids" dared us to. We "got away with it" because most of our fathers did it when they were kids, and deflected all our mothers' wrath somewhat. Ah, it was a different time. Stumpy in Ahia ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - http://www.adam.com.au/ Links: ------ [1] mailto:mrstumpy@...?subject=RE:Off%20subject [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=RE:Off%20subject [3] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvdnZuaHBoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzQwNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjUyMDcwMjI-?act=reply&messageNum=67404 [4] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjNHV2aWxiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjUyMDcwMjI- [5] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/36360;_ylc=X3oDMTM0Z3MwdmRuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzQwNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjUyMDcwMjIEdHBjSWQDMzYzNjA- [6] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkcjdlZGlwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzI1MjA3MDIy?o=6 [7] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkY2pybzhuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzI1MjA3MDIy [8] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjMzMzdWgwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMjUyMDcwMjI- [9] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ [10] http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15oaprtdl/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1325214222/L=1deb427c-3282-11e1-8f68-df8d6cb93164/B=GavhSkoGYrc-/J=1325207022696057/K=mQ0i2M9gNx.L2hieQpzuGQ/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*<a href= [11] http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiMW50dWhtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMyNTIwNzAyMg-- [12] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional [13] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest [14] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67406	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Washington PA

I was talking to someone on either list, TCA or S, about the Washington Wild Things Baseball team. Could you contact me, as we are going to Washington PA for a game in June. Mike Marmer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67407	From: wb4hay	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: DCC installations

Who do you guys reccommend to do DCC + Sound installations in AM Fs and Pacifics?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67408	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Re: AFL Union Pacific PB-1 Question

Are you asking about the Gilbert PB1 or the Flyonel one? ________________________________ From: bull_gator_1 <bull_gator_1@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 2:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AFL Union Pacific PB-1 Question   Hi All, Can anyone post or email me a photo of the control button for the AFL Union Pacific PB-1? I understand the button came in the box with the engine. Is that correct? Thanks, BG1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67409	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject

Yes, Stumpy, it was truly a simpler time. Parents didn't worry about bike helmets and toys that could be "swallowed" (as if most of the toys nowadays can't be). And, you're absolutely right--none of us got any sicker than today's kids do, in fact, we led a much more active life than the sedentary, overweight, glued to TV and video games kids in today's world. Heck, we'd be out from sun up to sun down, playing the sport of the season, riding bikes, and generally just running around. I submit that the sedentary lifestyle of today's youth is a lot more unhealthy than the supposed carcinogens we were exposed to over the years. Heck, the "medical experts" today have flip flopped on the supposed danger of ingesting too many eggs so many times that I've lost track. Bruce From: mrstumpy50 Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 4:52 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Off subject Ah, Bruce, you bring back memories! We did what today would be incredibly dangerous stuff when I was a kid! All water pipes and paint had lead in them. After working on bikes we often cleaned the grease off with leaded gasoline before washing up with soap and water. With all the hills around here, all boys built coaster carts (soap box cars without the body.) We raced on the streets and no one thought much about blocking traffic. Did the same thing with sleds in winter, at least until the road crews came along throwing cinders off the back of a dump truck. There were plenty of cinders because everyone heated with coal. Railroads ran locos on coal, and the steel mills all used coal, as did the power plants. Heck, many men here worked in the 36 coal mines within a 50 mile radius. There were days there was so much smoke in the air you'd think it was about to rain. None of us got any sicker than today's kids do, and we'd liked to have had more time off from school! We hitch hiked everywhere, rode in the back of pick up trucks, and stood up in the back seat of automobiles. Heck, even race car drivers didn't always wear seat belts! At the first auto race I went to at 4 years old, there was no debris fence, and the spectators were allowed to stand right near the track. We hopped freight trains and rode through the tunnel under town hanging on the side ladders of hopper cars because "the big kids" dared us to. We "got away with it" because most of our fathers did it when they were kids, and deflected all our mothers' wrath somewhat. Ah, it was a different time. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67410	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject

Yes Stumpy, that was before the accountants owned the world and before lawyers ran it. Roy From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 00:52:03 +0000 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Off subject Ah, Bruce, you bring back memories! We did what today would be incredibly dangerous stuff when I was a kid! All water pipes and paint had lead in them. After working on bikes we often cleaned the grease off with leaded gasoline before washing up with soap and water. With all the hills around here, all boys built coaster carts (soap box cars without the body.) We raced on the streets and no one thought much about blocking traffic. Did the same thing with sleds in winter, at least until the road crews came along throwing cinders off the back of a dump truck. There were plenty of cinders because everyone heated with coal. Railroads ran locos on coal, and the steel mills all used coal, as did the power plants. Heck, many men here worked in the 36 coal mines within a 50 mile radius. There were days there was so much smoke in the air you'd think it was about to rain. None of us got any sicker than today's kids do, and we'd liked to have had more time off from school! We hitch hiked everywhere, rode in the back of pick up trucks, and stood up in the back seat of automobiles. Heck, even race car drivers didn't always wear seat belts! At the first auto race I went to at 4 years old, there was no debris fence, and the spectators were allowed to stand right near the track. We hopped freight trains and rode through the tunnel under town hanging on the side ladders of hopper cars because "the big kids" dared us to. We "got away with it" because most of our fathers did it when they were kids, and deflected all our mothers' wrath somewhat. Ah, it was a different time. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67411	From: David Highfield	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Rocky Mountain Express IMAX

If you have an hour and are close to an IMAX theater, check to see if The Rocky Mountain Express is showing. It provides a history of the early Canadian Pacific Railroad along with some spectacular sights and sounds from a 4-6-4 Hudson CP steam engine. I saw it in Baltimore today.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67412	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/29/2011
Subject: Off subject and on

It is really cool to read what eveyone is saying about erector sets and rofl i do remember using leaded gas to clean grease off of wheel bearings of my 64 ford galaxy 500, my dad showed me this. S needs some full kits to be sold not bits and here and there trucks, and it needs to evolve, are at least the new kits need to, ie dcc are tmcc are something even newer, the ideal of using a blue tooth would be great plug the info into the the back of the coal car are in the diesal and off you go, would make programing simple, the all aboard sets up to date would work wonders for scale, but it would be expensive, too bad lionel wont sell af to another party, i cannot see them developing s scale to compete with there o scale although i think there missing and opertinuity with all the patents they got from af. I really enjoy s scale and its fun but expensive compared to what i could buy with ho etc. o scale is just too large and dosnt look right to me, and i enjoy working on my trains, fat fingers make ho hard to work on hehe. Not everyone today are model builders, the costs are just to high if you make a mistake, but prebuilt like allobard would be great for todays generation, they could make minor mods and add cars people etc. to make changes, and there could be differnt sets ie christmas, city, country, military and so on add this with something like the erectors sets that would work in conjuction and you could give a rebirth to s scale, they missed the boat on the thomas the train, but just think a sodar kit that you can program with the bluetooth and follow a script where the trains talk to each other as they pass, and on and on, it could bring back some of the market. oooh well enough of my thoughts you all have a great new year. started cleaning my garage to set up my train more permant but its gonna take time, and still waiting on erector parts to complete my set so i can build the stuff only missing a few items but important ones.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67413	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: Rocky Mountain Express IMAX

My wife and I saw it in San Diego Tuesday.  Fascinating story and spectacular scenery that will blow you away! ________________________________ From: David Highfield <davidhighmd@...> To: s-trains <s-trains@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 7:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Rocky Mountain Express IMAX   If you have an hour and are close to an IMAX theater, check to see if The Rocky Mountain Express is showing. It provides a history of the early Canadian Pacific Railroad along with some spectacular sights and sounds from a 4-6-4 Hudson CP steam engine. I saw it in Baltimore today. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67414	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: DCC installations

SnS Trains in Boise. In a message dated 12/29/2011 6:50:21 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, wb4hay@... writes: Who do you guys reccommend to do DCC + Sound installations in AM Fs and Pacifics? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67415	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxaY_mxYflg Roy I could not resist sending this song in due to what you wrote. Mike From: Roy Inman Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 9:57 PM To: S-trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Off subject Yes Stumpy, that was before the accountants owned the world and before lawyers ran it. Roy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67416	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject

Amen to that, Roy. Bruce From: Roy Inman Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 6:57 PM To: S-trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Off subject Yes Stumpy, that was before the accountants owned the world and before lawyers ran it. Roy From: mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 00:52:03 +0000 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] RE:Off subject Ah, Bruce, you bring back memories! We did what today would be incredibly dangerous stuff when I was a kid! All water pipes and paint had lead in them. After working on bikes we often cleaned the grease off with leaded gasoline before washing up with soap and water. With all the hills around here, all boys built coaster carts (soap box cars without the body.) We raced on the streets and no one thought much about blocking traffic. Did the same thing with sleds in winter, at least until the road crews came along throwing cinders off the back of a dump truck. There were plenty of cinders because everyone heated with coal. Railroads ran locos on coal, and the steel mills all used coal, as did the power plants. Heck, many men here worked in the 36 coal mines within a 50 mile radius. There were days there was so much smoke in the air you'd think it was about to rain. None of us got any sicker than today's kids do, and we'd liked to have had more time off from school! We hitch hiked everywhere, rode in the back of pick up trucks, and stood up in the back seat of automobiles. Heck, even race car drivers didn't always wear seat belts! At the first auto race I went to at 4 years old, there was no debris fence, and the spectators were allowed to stand right near the track. We hopped freight trains and rode through the tunnel under town hanging on the side ladders of hopper cars because "the big kids" dared us to. We "got away with it" because most of our fathers did it when they were kids, and deflected all our mothers' wrath somewhat. Ah, it was a different time. Stumpy in Ahia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67417	From: ken garber	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: DCC Installations

8. DCC installations Posted by: "wb4hay" wb4hay@... wb4hay Date: Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:50 pm ((PST)) Who do you guys reccommend to do DCC + Sound installations in AM Fs and Pacifics? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have the same question for installing in the AM E8's (and eventually my Pacific). I did some quick research and found a few things. This is NOT an all-inclusive search. I looked at current capacity, not features. To me, the Soundtraxx Tsunami line may not be adequate. Their units peak at one amp. That may be a bit tight for the heavier S locomotives (not counting the SHS steam loco). Their older lines, if you can find them at train shows, may be better - They were rated at 1amp (2amp peak). An option there also, would be to install a regular decoder and also install a sound decoder. Makes programming a little more difficult. I did have a look at the Digitrax line. What I see as plausible is their DH165 series (1.2Amp; 2Amp Peak). They are a standard decoder but with the ability to be paired with their sound decoder called a Soundbug. The Soundbug doesn't include a speaker and the combo is a lot cheaper than Tsunami. If anyone has found that the Tsunami can handle higher currents, I would be interested in knowing. I just don't want the smoke escaping from one of those. They stop working when that happens, and it's impossible to put the smoke back in. :) Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67418	From: Herbert	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject

Excellent post. Alistair. A lot of us are wearing the rose colored glasses of nostalgia, and forgetting reality. Herb W --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, alizoo@... wrote: > > OK Boys lets get serious. Most of us baby boomers and earlier ARE > suffering from the effects of the nasties we ingested. That's why so > much cancer, immune system diseases, cardio vascular and other > problems abound amongst us. The difference medical science has found > ways of keeping us going. 50 years ago, if we were the age we are > now, with the complaints we have now, many of us would be pushing up > daisies without our medications. Carpe diem - in many ways life was > better but it wasn't perfect. Alistair > On Fri 30/12/11 10:22 AM , "mrstumpy50" mrstumpy@... sent: > Ah, Bruce, you bring back memories! We did what today would be > incredibly dangerous stuff when I was a kid! All water pipes and > paint had lead in them. After working on bikes we often cleaned the > grease off with leaded gasoline before washing up with soap and > water. > With all the hills around here, all boys built coaster carts (soap > box cars without the body.) We raced on the streets and no one > thought much about blocking traffic. Did the same thing with sleds > in winter, at least until the road crews came along throwing cinders > off the back of a dump truck. There were plenty of cinders because > everyone heated with coal. > Railroads ran locos on coal, and the steel mills all used coal, as > did the power plants. Heck, many men here worked in the 36 coal > mines within a 50 mile radius. There were days there was so much > smoke in the air you'd think it was about to rain. None of us got > any sicker than today's kids do, and we'd liked to have had more time > off from school! > We hitch hiked everywhere, rode in the back of pick up trucks, and > stood up in the back seat of automobiles. Heck, even race car > drivers didn't always wear seat belts! At the first auto race I went > to at 4 years old, there was no debris fence, and the spectators were > allowed to stand right near the track. > We hopped freight trains and rode through the tunnel under town > hanging on the side ladders of hopper cars because "the big kids" > dared us to. > We "got away with it" because most of our fathers did it when they > were kids, and deflected all our mothers' wrath somewhat. Ah, it was > a different time. > Stumpy in Ahia > > ---- Message sent via Adam Internet WebMail - > http://www.adam.com.au/ > > Links: > ------ > [1] mailto:mrstumpy@...?subject=RE:Off%20subject > [2] mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com?subject=RE:Off%20subject > [3] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvdnZuaHBoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzQwNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMjUyMDcwMjI-?act=reply&messageNum=67404 > [4] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJjNHV2aWxiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjUyMDcwMjI- > [5] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/message/36360;_ylc=X3oDMTM0Z3MwdmRuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARtc2dJZAM2NzQwNARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMjUyMDcwMjIEdHBjSWQDMzYzNjA- > [6] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkcjdlZGlwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzI1MjA3MDIy?o=6 > [7] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJkY2pybzhuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzI1MjA3MDIy > [8] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Trains;_ylc=X3oDMTJjMzMzdWgwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMjUyMDcwMjI- > [9] http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/ > [10] > http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15oaprtdl/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=groups/S=1706533818:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1325214222/L=1deb427c-3282-11e1-8f68-df8d6cb93164/B=GavhSkoGYrc-/J=1325207022696057/K=mQ0i2M9gNx.L2hieQpzuGQ/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*<a > href= > [11] > http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJiMW50dWhtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI2MjgzBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNjUzMzgxOARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMyNTIwNzAyMg-- > [12] mailto:S-Trains-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change > Delivery Format: Traditional > [13] mailto:S-Trains-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: > Digest > [14] mailto:S-Trains-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe > [15] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67419	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: Rocky Mountain Express IMAX

We have no Imax theatres nearby but I found some great videos of 3816 on utube, including some that were made in conjunction with the Imax filming. - Earl Henry, Nashville In a message dated 12/30/2011 6:12:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, theupstairstrain@... writes: My wife and I saw it in San Diego Tuesday. Fascinating story and spectacular scenery that will blow you away! ________________________________ From: David Highfield <_davidhighmd@..._ (mailto:davidhighmd@...) > To: s-trains <_s-trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:s-trains@yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 7:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Rocky Mountain Express IMAX If you have an hour and are close to an IMAX theater, check to see if The Rocky Mountain Express is showing. It provides a history of the early Canadian Pacific Railroad along with some spectacular sights and sounds from a 4-6-4 Hudson CP steam engine. I saw it in Baltimore today. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67420	From: preardon@maine.rr.com	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject

Ah yes, And, we drove tractors with no roll bars, slept out alone overnight in the woods out back, went swimming in the river with our friends...life was good, and we survived nicely. Pat, in Maine ---- mrstumpy50 <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > Ah, Bruce, you bring back memories! We did what today would be incredibly dangerous stuff when I was a kid! All water pipes and paint had lead in them. After working on bikes we often cleaned the grease off with leaded gasoline before washing up with soap and water. > With all the hills around here, all boys built coaster carts (soap box cars without the body.) We raced on the streets and no one thought much about blocking traffic. Did the same thing with sleds in winter, at least until the road crews came along throwing cinders off the back of a dump truck. There were plenty of cinders because everyone heated with coal. > Railroads ran locos on coal, and the steel mills all used coal, as did the power plants. Heck, many men here worked in the 36 coal mines within a 50 mile radius. There were days there was so much smoke in the air you'd think it was about to rain. None of us got any sicker than today's kids do, and we'd liked to have had more time off from school! > We hitch hiked everywhere, rode in the back of pick up trucks, and stood up in the back seat of automobiles. Heck, even race car drivers didn't always wear seat belts! At the first auto race I went to at 4 years old, there was no debris fence, and the spectators were allowed to stand right near the track. > We hopped freight trains and rode through the tunnel under town hanging on the side ladders of hopper cars because "the big kids" dared us to. > We "got away with it" because most of our fathers did it when they were kids, and deflected all our mothers' wrath somewhat. Ah, it was a different time. > Stumpy in Ahia >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67421	From: MikeS	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Lionel Super "O" Trackage

Looking for Lionel Super "O" Trackage. All items and all quantities. Please contact me off-line at: hspanier@... The History of Lionel Super "O" Track http://www.tcaetrain.org/articles/operating/supero/index.html A Happy & Healthy 2012 to All............ Very best, Mike Spanier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67422	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: DCC Installations

Dear Ken, You might want to take a look at the just released QSI Titan DCC sound decoders. They are state of the art with a 64 bit micro and will support stereo sound. But, the feature you are most interested is the 2 amp operation. The MSRP is the same as the Tsunami. You can find all of the specs at: http://qsisolutions.com/products/q-titan.html Don On Dec 30, 2011, at 9:53 AM, ken garber wrote: > 8. DCC installations > Posted by: "wb4hay" wb4hay@... wb4hay > Date: Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:50 pm ((PST)) > Who do you guys reccommend to do DCC + Sound installations in AM Fs and > Pacifics? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67423	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: Off Subject

Point well taken Alistair and Herbert, we most likely ARE suffering from our younger days' lifestyles. I'm sure that a couple of crashes in Stock Cars when I was in my late teens and early twenties have done my joints no good at all. And I know some other friends who didn't make it out of their youth without lingering damage. But we were able to get out and do things to find where the outsides of the envelopes were. We learned that we were responcible for our own actions, and that nobody was going to save our butts for us. Maybe being stupid as a kid allowed us to get smarter as we got older? Sadly today's kids don't have a chance to get those relatively minor cuts and scrapes and broken arms, as we did. They often get their first dose of reality in a deadly car crash or overdose on drugs. I watched these things evolve during 28 years at a school. HOWEVER, we've strayed well off the original subject of the great toys were had as kids long ago, and I'm as much to blame for that as any of us. Time to "redirect." Maybe our "golden" memories are just that.....but making them was a lot of fun! I think I'll go play with my trains. :-) Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67424	From: Lon Walker	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject

Hey Mike,     Your post caused me to spend an enjoyable hour plus from Ry Cooder to John Prine to Iris DeMent.Thanks.  Lon Walker ________________________________ From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mlmarmer@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Off subject   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxaY_mxYflg Roy I could not resist sending this song in due to what you wrote. Mike From: Roy Inman Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 9:57 PM To: S-trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Off subject Yes Stumpy, that was before the accountants owned the world and before lawyers ran it. Roy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67425	From: johntech	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Model Railroader 3 DVD set

Has anyone picked up the Model Railroader 3 DVD set they are selling for $200.00? Good? Bad? Is it worth it? John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67426	From: ekaplan707	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: New Lionel AF U33C

Someone on the OGR S forum pointed out that the engine has a rake from front to back. Just got my EL U33C and it has the same rake. If you watch the Lionel video on this engine at: http://www.lionel.com/Customer....cfm?documentID=6370 you can see the same thing. Just look at the bottom of the shell where it runs along the fuel tank. But if you measure from a flat surface to the bottom of the shell in front and back it seems OK. Do this with cab to the right. The other side has a skirt near the driver which actually makes the rake look worse. I also had a small washer fall out of the engine. Not sure what it was for but the rear coupler is much more loose then the front. I wonder if that washer was supposed to be part of the mounting of that coupler. The engine runs a little rough in forward at slow speed but evens out. Runs better in reverse out of the box. The video specifically talks about proper lubrication and a break-on period. Watching this video is very important for everyone buying this engine. Not only about the lube and break-in period but for information about adjusting smoke unit output. I also noticed that the two end platforms are at a slight upward angle. No idea why. They also have platforms that pull up so if you have another U33C your crew can walk between the engines. Legacy speed steps seem much to fast to me and I do not know if there is anyway to adjust this. Overall the engine is striking with a good paint job and various markings.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67427	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject

Lon, Wow, we might like the same music too? I am a big fan of Iris DeMent. I have seen her in Concert 2 times. One of my favorite CDs is My Name is Buddy from Roy Cooder. I know of John Prine, as he wrote Paradise and he was a former mailman, but I do not know much about his music, I have a friend coming over on Sunday who is a big John Prine fan. http://www.folkalley.com/music/livefrom/ I listen to folk alley on the net, as I have a unit on my stereo that gets internet radio. On this link is concerts. There is one from John Prine, Iris DeMent and others. Iris is married to a Greg Brown. Other people who I follow who have concerts here, are Richard Shindell a big favorite, John Gorka, Nanci Griffith, oh Shindell has 2 concerts, and playing with Gorka is a David Francey from Canada, as we have become fans of him too. Looks like the DeMent concert is gone. I have that on CD. I can send you a copy of it in January. Since you live in Illinois, Dan Fogelberg has a song from his first LP, Illinois, you could go see the Cubs then? Steve Goodman and his dying Cubs fan wish song. I have a black cat on my baseball field for the Cubs of 1969, but I need a goat too. There is a great song about the Cubs and that goat. I will email it to you. Great to hear you like these artist. I just discover Cooder a few years ago. Great talent. Have a great New Year. Mike From: Lon Walker Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 12:02 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Off subject Hey Mike, Your post caused me to spend an enjoyable hour plus from Ry Cooder to John Prine to Iris DeMent.Thanks. Lon Walker ________________________________ From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Off subject http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxaY_mxYflg Roy I could not resist sending this song in due to what you wrote. Mike From: Roy Inman Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 9:57 PM To: S-trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Off subject Yes Stumpy, that was before the accountants owned the world and before lawyers ran it. Roy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67428	From: ekaplan707	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Gilbert AF Accessories for Sale

586F Wayside Station-Like New condition except for small rust spot on side by corner. Includes porter, cart and cart man as well as original box, $50 561 Diesel Whistle Billboard (PA picture), generic AF button, EX condition, $50 762 2 in 1 Erector Whistle, specific two button controller, VG condition ( has a bunch of imperfections on frame and base), $35 568 Steam Whistle Billboard (Challenger picture), generic AF button, EX condition, $50 577 Circus Whistle Billboard (Clown circus picture), generic AF button, EX condition with orignal box, $80 585 Toolshed, LN condition, has some small tiny imperfection spots on base paint but looks to be the way it came, $60 759 Bell Danger Signal, EX condition, original box, one 696 track trip-$50 761 Semaphore-VG++ (almost like new), original box, two 696 track trips, $50 760 Highway Flasher VG, one 696 track trip, $20 730 green bumpers $5 each-have 3 696 Track Trip, $3, have 3, all three for 8 697 track trip, $5 each, have 6, Three for $13, all six for $25 26671 Track Trip, EX conditon, this is the one that looks like a small shed with an angled roof-$10 690 track terminals to hook up your power $1 each-have a bunch 706 Uncoupler, have a bunch of these, no buttons, $1 each, 6 for $5 709 Lock Out Eliminator, VG+ condition, $10 Action car activation rails-$2-have some metal only or the ones with the bakelite square part 90 Degree crossing $6 720A switches-$45 698 Reverse Loop Kit with two 690 track terminals, orignal box, $40 All items have been tested and work including bulbs. Pictures available on request. Paypal OK for payment. Insured shipping to your location extra. If you are interested but the price is still not right please contact me. The worst I could say is no. Please contact me off list and thank you for looking.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67429	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Rolling stock for sale - SHS, AM, Omnicon, Flyonel, PRS (assembled)

Please contact off line if you are interested in any of the items listed in this email. - Earl Henry, Nashville, TN S Helper Service ================ #01138 Stock Car, 2003 Christmas Car with Rudolph the reindeer and a blinking red nose Great Northern car 56003, red with white lettering LN in original box, has been used $59 plus shipping #00172 Standard flatcar Illinois Central, car #923641 LN in original box Orange car with black lettering $39 plus shipping #00337 Bulkhead Flatcar D&H Pulpwood Load, car #16502 LN/EX in original box, (box is a little worn, I am at least the second owner) Orange car with yellow lettering $65 plus shipping (reduced) #00086 PS-2 CNW 2-Bay Covered Hopper, LN in original box Green car with yellow lettering $34 plus shipping (reduced again) #01728 Bulkhead Flatcar 2006 Christmas car, BN 621076 LN in original box, with load of wrapped Christmas presents Green car with white lettering $59 plus shipping (reduced again) #00138 Stock Car Missouri Pacific 154092 (I-GN) Tuscan car with white lettering and white MP buzzsaw logo LN in original box $34 plus shipping (reduced) #????? Stock Car Nickel Plate 41118 Tuscan car with white lettering LN and complete with scale couplers in box but it is in an SHS box for a Santa Fe rebuilt boxcar I think this car came in a set without an individual box $34 plus shipping American Models - High Rail ================ #2202 P.F.E. 40' Reefer, car #69372 High Rail LN in original box Orange car with black lettering, Union Pacific and Southern Pacific Logos (black) $20 plus shipping (reduced) Onmicon - Scale ================ American Flyer PA Conversion Kit - New with Flyonel PA Shell, SP Daylight paint $150 plus shipping Pacific Rail Shops (I can send photos of these boxcars) ================ 50' SGL SLDG DR BOXCAR, White lettering with yellow "HYDRA-CUSHION FOR FRAGILE FREIGHT" B-526 Southern Pacific #651466 (Hydro-Cushion - 1957) The box is stamped #3 $50 plus shipping 50' SGL SLDG DR BOXCAR, White lettering with yellow "HYDRA-CUSHION FOR FRAGILE FREIGHT" B-526 Southern Pacific #651437 (Hydro-Cushion - 1957) $50 plus shipping 50' SGL SLDG DR BOXCAR, White lettering with black circular logo on left side, B-511 Southern Pacific #171489651466 (Hydro-Cushion - 1957) The box is stamped #3 $50 plus shipping American Flyer by Lionel ================ 6-48600 Southern Pacific Tuscan with white lettering Includes logo for Historic American Railroad $22 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67430	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject

On 12/30/2011 09:47 AM, Herbert wrote: > > Excellent post. Alistair. A lot of us are wearing the rose colored > glasses of nostalgia, and forgetting reality. > Herb W > > I can remember playing outside until the streetlights came on, no thought of perverts, drive-by shootings and the like. I didn't know I was "under privileged" until the government told me I was. On the other hand, I didn't have to worry about the Klan hanging my father or bombing my church. Anti-Irish, anti-Catholic or antisemitism? What's that? Opening Pandora's box works in either direction. Go back and there's simpler times for some, oppression for others. Go forward and the openness that tries to right wrongs also mainstreams behaviors that we'd rather do without. Perhaps that's what we like about model trains. We can model the south without Jim Crow if we want, use Homies figures as our neighbors. It's our world and these problems don't exist. God is in his heaven and all is right with the world. Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67431	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Off subject

My maternal grandfather survived to the age of 73. During his lifetime he hand & spray painted cars & carriages, with both enamel & lacquer, a finish I am told that was so deep it seemed to go on forever. He also hand lettered hundreds of trucks from pick-ups to the biggest oil tankers of the 30's & 40's. He finished his career doing upholstery and pin striping wheels on carriages. He worked in the heat in summer and cold in the winter, til he was 72, played trombone ( and marched ) in a band and led a church choir for 50 yrs. His environment was obviously harsher than now, yet he survived nicely. He mowed the lawn one time too many. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/30/2011 10:02:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, hwass@... writes: OK Boys lets get serious. Most of us baby boomers and earlier ARE > suffering from the effects of the nasties we ingested [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67432	From: dphobbies	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: U33s - Starting to show up

Lionel has been shipping both the new curved Fastrack and the U33s. They have been showing up in the East and ours will be here next week. The curve track is already here with the straight also due next week. What a great way to ring in the new year. Happy New Year Ron Sebastian Des Plaines Hobbies

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67433	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject

I am so sorry, I did not realize that Lon wrote on the S list, I thought it was a private email. the below had nothing to do with trains. I should of emailed Lon in private. Mike From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 4:00 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Off subject Lon, Wow, we might like the same music too? I am a big fan of Iris DeMent. I have seen her in Concert 2 times. One of my favorite CDs is My Name is Buddy from Roy Cooder. I know of John Prine, as he wrote Paradise and he was a former mailman, but I do not know much about his music, I have a friend coming over on Sunday who is a big John Prine fan. http://www.folkalley.com/music/livefrom/ I listen to folk alley on the net, as I have a unit on my stereo that gets internet radio. On this link is concerts. There is one from John Prine, Iris DeMent and others. Iris is married to a Greg Brown. Other people who I follow who have concerts here, are Richard Shindell a big favorite, John Gorka, Nanci Griffith, oh Shindell has 2 concerts, and playing with Gorka is a David Francey from Canada, as we have become fans of him too. Looks like the DeMent concert is gone. I have that on CD. I can send you a copy of it in January. Since you live in Illinois, Dan Fogelberg has a song from his first LP, Illinois, you could go see the Cubs then? Steve Goodman and his dying Cubs fan wish song. I have a black cat on my baseball field for the Cubs of 1969, but I need a goat too. There is a great song about the Cubs and that goat. I will email it to you. Great to hear you like these artist. I just discover Cooder a few years ago. Great talent. Have a great New Year. Mike From: Lon Walker Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 12:02 PM To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Off subject Hey Mike, Your post caused me to spend an enjoyable hour plus from Ry Cooder to John Prine to Iris DeMent.Thanks. Lon Walker ________________________________ From: Michael & Linda Marmer <mailto:mlmarmer%40verizon.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Off subject http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxaY_mxYflg Roy I could not resist sending this song in due to what you wrote. Mike From: Roy Inman Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 9:57 PM To: S-trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE:Off subject Yes Stumpy, that was before the accountants owned the world and before lawyers ran it. Roy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67434	From: Rance Velapoldi	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: New Lionel AF U33C

Hi: Does anyone have a correct address for the below site? I can't get this one to work (gives me negative messages:-) ). Tx. Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) On 12/30/2011 21:23, ekaplan707 wrote: > > Someone on the OGR S forum pointed out that the engine has a rake from > front to back. Just got my EL U33C and it has the same rake. If you > watch the Lionel video on this engine at: > > http://www.lionel.com/Customer....cfm?documentID=6370 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67435	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: DCC Installations

Unfortunately the Tsunami units don't have enough horsepower for the S-Gauge locos. Digitrax DH 465 and a sound bug that plugs into it are a great option. Small enough to fit in ANY S-Gauge loco but with enough current handling ability. Also the QSI Titans are a pretty good option. MRC also has a unit specific for S-Gauge. I like them too. It is a 2 amp unit. I am doing several for a well know S-Gauger at this very moment. Steve SnS Trains Boise In a message dated 12/30/2011 8:02:06 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, garber.ken@... writes: 8. DCC installations Posted by: "wb4hay" _wb4hay@..._ (mailto:wb4hay@...) wb4hay Date: Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:50 pm ((PST)) Who do you guys reccommend to do DCC + Sound installations in AM Fs and Pacifics? ---------------------------------------------------------- I have the same question for installing in the AM E8's (and eventually my Pacific). I did some quick research and found a few things. This is NOT an all-inclusive search. I looked at current capacity, not features. To me, the Soundtraxx Tsunami line may not be adequate. Their units peak at one amp. That may be a bit tight for the heavier S locomotives (not counting the SHS steam loco). Their older lines, if you can find them at train shows, may be better - They were rated at 1amp (2amp peak). An option there also, would be to install a regular decoder and also install a sound decoder. Makes programming a little more difficult. I did have a look at the Digitrax line. What I see as plausible is their DH165 series (1.2Amp; 2Amp Peak). They are a standard decoder but with the ability to be paired with their sound decoder called a Soundbug. The Soundbug doesn't include a speaker and the combo is a lot cheaper than Tsunami. If anyone has found that the Tsunami can handle higher currents, I would be interested in knowing. I just don't want the smoke escaping from one of those. They stop working when that happens, and it's impossible to put the smoke back in. :) Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67436	From: Timboy	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Fed-Ups Shipping Is Now In Service!

Flyer Nation: Fed-Ups Shipping is now servicing the Timboy Town & Western RR. Thanks to all for the ideas and encouragement on this project! To see pics and more details, you are invited to visit my non-commercial website at: http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2011/12/fed-ups-shipping-is-now-open.html HAPPY NEW YEAR! Regards, Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67437	From: WJJIM@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: What to do

2 boxes of 20" curve, and bumpers and accessory tracks, etc. That's it. Sold my last box of 15" straight to a friend who "really" needed it. Found out later he sold it for a premium. Jim Lyle In a message dated 12/28/2011 12:25:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rinphoto@... writes: You have SHS track? In Straights? What lengths, and how many and how much? Roy Inman From: <WJJIM@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:04:36 -0500 (EST) To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] What to do My distributor claims to have the "new" A-F S Fastrak curve in stock. SO, do I now stock S Fastrack along with the A-M track that doesn't sell & the SHS track that doesn't sell or not. What to do??? Jim "pondering on the Keystone Main" Lyle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67438	From: ekaplan707	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: New Lionel AF U33C

Its difficult to find the U33C video. Go to the Lionel web site. 1) Click on Customer Service 2) Click on Repairs and Service 3) Click on Service Documents 4) In the white horizontal box type U33C and hit return The video for the AF U33C will be listed --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rance Velapoldi <rvelapoldi@...> wrote: > > Hi: > Does anyone have a correct address for the below site? I can't get this > one to work (gives me negative messages:-) ). Tx. > Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) > > On 12/30/2011 21:23, ekaplan707 wrote: > > > > Someone on the OGR S forum pointed out that the engine has a rake from > > front to back. Just got my EL U33C and it has the same rake. If you > > watch the Lionel video on this engine at: > > > > http://www.lionel.com/Customer....cfm?documentID=6370 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67439	From: pkrae	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: Gilbert AF Accessories for Sale

May I purchase the 760 and 759 Highway Flashers, please? ThanX, john   <>   --- On Fri, 12/30/11, ekaplan707 <ekaplan@...> wrote: From: ekaplan707 <ekaplan@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert AF Accessories for Sale To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 30, 2011, 3:18 PM   586F Wayside Station-Like New condition except for small rust spot on side by corner. Includes porter, cart and cart man as well as original box, $50 561 Diesel Whistle Billboard (PA picture), generic AF button, EX condition, $50 762 2 in 1 Erector Whistle, specific two button controller, VG condition ( has a bunch of imperfections on frame and base), $35 568 Steam Whistle Billboard (Challenger picture), generic AF button, EX condition, $50 577 Circus Whistle Billboard (Clown circus picture), generic AF button, EX condition with orignal box, $80 585 Toolshed, LN condition, has some small tiny imperfection spots on base paint but looks to be the way it came, $60 759 Bell Danger Signal, EX condition, original box, one 696 track trip-$50 761 Semaphore-VG++ (almost like new), original box, two 696 track trips, $50 760 Highway Flasher VG, one 696 track trip, $20 730 green bumpers $5 each-have 3 696 Track Trip, $3, have 3, all three for 8 697 track trip, $5 each, have 6, Three for $13, all six for $25 26671 Track Trip, EX conditon, this is the one that looks like a small shed with an angled roof-$10 690 track terminals to hook up your power $1 each-have a bunch 706 Uncoupler, have a bunch of these, no buttons, $1 each, 6 for $5 709 Lock Out Eliminator, VG+ condition, $10 Action car activation rails-$2-have some metal only or the ones with the bakelite square part 90 Degree crossing $6 720A switches-$45 698 Reverse Loop Kit with two 690 track terminals, orignal box, $40 All items have been tested and work including bulbs. Pictures available on request. Paypal OK for payment. Insured shipping to your location extra. If you are interested but the price is still not right please contact me. The worst I could say is no. Please contact me off list and thank you for looking. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67440	From: boxcar4willhe	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: Fed-Ups Shipping Is Now In Service!

Hi Timboy, It took a while to sink in but after looking at your pictures I think I see what you are doing. I wonder if you are the first to fully integrate the action accessories into a layout by adding supporting structures? And not just other structures around the accessory but actually part of the accessory. Well done. Lon Walker --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "Timboy" <timstrains2000@...> wrote: > > Flyer Nation: > > Fed-Ups Shipping is now servicing the Timboy Town & Western RR. Thanks to all for the ideas and encouragement on this project! To see pics and more details, you are invited to visit my non-commercial website at: > > http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2011/12/fed-ups-shipping-is-now-open.html > > HAPPY NEW YEAR! > > Regards, > Timboy >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67441	From: Lennis Hall	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: New Lionel AF U33C

Here is a link to the file. http://www.lionel.com/CustomerService/service-documents/video.cfm?documentID=6370 Len ________________________________ From: ekaplan707 <ekaplan@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 5:22 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: New Lionel AF U33C   Its difficult to find the U33C video. Go to the Lionel web site. 1) Click on Customer Service 2) Click on Repairs and Service 3) Click on Service Documents 4) In the white horizontal box type U33C and hit return The video for the AF U33C will be listed --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rance Velapoldi <rvelapoldi@...> wrote: > > Hi: > Does anyone have a correct address for the below site? I can't get this > one to work (gives me negative messages:-) ). Tx. > Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) > > On 12/30/2011 21:23, ekaplan707 wrote: > > > > Someone on the OGR S forum pointed out that the engine has a rake from > > front to back. Just got my EL U33C and it has the same rake. If you > > watch the Lionel video on this engine at: > > > > http://www.lionel.com/Customer....cfm?documentID=6370 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67442	From: weidner@ameritech.net	Date: 12/30/2011
Subject: Re: Fed-Ups Shipping Is Now In Service!

WOW that works great. Realy like the Fed-ups addition good job.   --- On Fri, 12/30/11, Timboy <timstrains2000@...> wrote: From: Timboy <timstrains2000@...> Subject: [S-Trains] Fed-Ups Shipping Is Now In Service! To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 30, 2011, 7:41 PM   Flyer Nation: Fed-Ups Shipping is now servicing the Timboy Town & Western RR. Thanks to all for the ideas and encouragement on this project! To see pics and more details, you are invited to visit my non-commercial website at: http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2011/12/fed-ups-shipping-is-now-open.html HAPPY NEW YEAR! Regards, Timboy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67443	From: George Cohn	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: Fed-Ups Shipping Is Now In Service!

On 12/30/2011 5:41 PM, Timboy wrote: > Flyer Nation: > > Fed-Ups Shipping is now servicing the Timboy Town & Western RR. Thanks > to all for the ideas and encouragement on this project! To see pics and > more details, you are invited to visit my non-commercial website at: > > http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2011/12/fed-ups-shipping-is-now-open.html So what color are the delivery vans going to be? Brown with Blue/Red lettering? White with brown lettering? Inquiring minds want to know. :-) George Cohn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67444	From: DennisC	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: New Lionel AF U33C

It's also available on youtube.com, by typing american flyer u33c in the search box. Enjoy it's very informative, Dennis --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "ekaplan707" <ekaplan@...> wrote: > > Its difficult to find the U33C video. Go to the Lionel web site. > > 1) Click on Customer Service > 2) Click on Repairs and Service > 3) Click on Service Documents > 4) In the white horizontal box type U33C and hit return > > The video for the AF U33C will be listed > > > --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, Rance Velapoldi <rvelapoldi@> wrote: > > > > Hi: > > Does anyone have a correct address for the below site? I can't get this > > one to work (gives me negative messages:-) ). Tx. > > Rance Velapoldi (Tranby, Norway) > > > > On 12/30/2011 21:23, ekaplan707 wrote: > > > > > > Someone on the OGR S forum pointed out that the engine has a rake from > > > front to back. Just got my EL U33C and it has the same rake. If you > > > watch the Lionel video on this engine at: > > > > > > http://www.lionel.com/Customer....cfm?documentID=6370 > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67445	From: Brady	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: Fed-Ups Shipping Is Now In Service!

Timboy, That's great work, the scale structure and Flyer accessory blend perfectly. Brady Burdge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67446	From: mrstumpy50	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Fed Ups shipping now in service

Nice job with the integrating of accessory and structure. Good work using "available materials" too. You're "showing the way" for others to follow on this. Good work, keep it up! Stumpy in Ahia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67447	From: Jimbo	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Lionel

watched the info on the new stinky diseal (hehe just kidding) all the commands for tmcc gave me a headache, legacy was better but i still go back to what i was taught in the military KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID, tried to look up the info on the modules but never got a clear ideal what was going on individual mods. yes but how system all connects no, and still think it would be too much for average joe who just wants to play with his kids and not worry about his investment breaking, china built lionel has a very bad reputation with even people who like lionel but i do applaude lionel for coming out with new system the research gotta be expensive as all get out, and i still think bluetooth with a single command and control would have been easier and a single sound card, too many different electronics, the more you have the more it breaks are can be broken that is.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67448	From: Timboy	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: Fed Ups shipping now in service

--- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Nice job with the integrating of accessory and structure. Good work using "available materials" too. You're "showing the way" for others to follow on this. Good work, keep it up! > Stumpy in Ahia > Thanks everyone! I learned a lot from this build and re-affirmed my concept of blending the structure to the accessory. IOW's, not to get carried away with scale and detail merely for the sake of it. I chose the green and yellow colors based on the color scheme of the accessory. So I should paint any delivery trucks to match that. I probably should also get a junker action box car and paint it green & yellow! I'm continuing on with my Bucky's Beer project now. I just wanted to show a little teaser of it because I'm always curious of the construction process and figure others may be as well. I've built it out of Luan, so far. The color scheme for that building will be tan and green - just like the Barrel Loader to which it will be attached. Others have built scenes AROUND Coal Loaders. I saw a lumber yard built AROUND a Saw Mill. However, I'm not aware of anyone actually MARRYING a Gilbert accessory with a home-made structure. Have any of you done that or know of someone else who has? I would love to see pics. Can't wait to see Stumpy's work on action cars from scratch! HAPPY NEW YEAR! Timboy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67449	From: flguz	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: CIRCUS TRUCK PYRO? OR ALLIED?

Someone is selling an AF "PYRO" truck as being original to AF Circus Set. I have always thought that AF had exclusively used Allied. Comments, please.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67450	From: flguz	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: 314AW WON'T SHUT UP

Whistle blows almost all the time. Had been in storage several years and worked fine back then. I reviewed archives and there was a post about the relay being stuck. Before I do exploratory surgery in the tender does everyone agree with this "diagnosis"? Happy New Year!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67451	From: Carey Probst	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: Fed-Ups Shipping Is Now In Service!

Timboy, You should subsidize your layout by starting a business to help those of us with much less imagination come up with cool ideas for our layouts. I'd have never thought of your M&M mine or your Fed-UPS. When I finally get a bigger place and start my layout I'd love ideas on how to incorporate some of my action accessories. Carey Carey Probst Member, M.I.T. Educational Council S Scale, Sn3 and S High Rail/AF A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. On 12/30/2011 7:41 PM, Timboy wrote: > > Flyer Nation: > > Fed-Ups Shipping is now servicing the Timboy Town & Western RR. Thanks > to all for the ideas and encouragement on this project! To see pics > and more details, you are invited to visit my non-commercial website at: > > http://timboysflyerprojects.blogspot.com/2011/12/fed-ups-shipping-is-now-open.html > > HAPPY NEW YEAR! > > Regards, > Timboy > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67452	From: hazelnutt_1999	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Recently on Public Radio

A couple of days ago Diane Reem interviewed a gentleman named Dr. Richard White, a Professor of History from Stanford. He has written, what appears to be a very informative account of the development and influential background of the nineteenth century American Railway system, which he's entitled, "Railroaded-The Transcontenentals And The Making of America". In it he states that much of our current socio-economic problems stem from the creation of these railroades. One point made is that, at the time, real railroad men wouldn't dare getting involved with trying to build a transconental because they recognized the risks. That those who did were business men who had no idea about what they were doing;(sort of how it is today in most hospital administrations) that most of them were ignorent about how a railroad should be run, that the majority went bankrupt and were constantly seeking government bail-out. Sound familiar? Sounds like a great read. BTW. Don't shoot the messenger. I'm just passing this along. Mike "S"-ottpuppy Prell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67453	From: tennsgauge@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: Fed Ups shipping now in service

If you like Tim's Fed-Ups accessory, and I do, you might want to look at some of the accessories on Doug Peck's website. _http://www.portlines.com/_ (http://www.portlines.com/) In a message dated 12/31/2011 8:13:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, timstrains2000@... writes: --- In _S-Trains@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:S-Trains@yahoogroups.com) , "mrstumpy50" <mrstumpy@...> wrote: > > Nice job with the integrating of accessory and structure. Good work using "available materials" too. You're "showing the way" for others to follow on this. Good work, keep it up! > Stumpy in Ahia > Thanks everyone! I learned a lot from this build and re-affirmed my concept of blending the structure to the accessory. IOW's, not to get carried away with scale and detail merely for the sake of it. I chose the green and yellow colors based on the color scheme of the accessory. So I should paint any delivery trucks to match that. I probably should also get a junker action box car and paint it green & yellow! I'm continuing on with my Bucky's Beer project now. I just wanted to show a little teaser of it because I'm always curious of the construction process and figure others may be as well. I've built it out of Luan, so far. The color scheme for that building will be tan and green - just like the Barrel Loader to which it will be attached. Others have built scenes AROUND Coal Loaders. I saw a lumber yard built AROUND a Saw Mill. However, I'm not aware of anyone actually MARRYING a Gilbert accessory with a home-made structure. Have any of you done that or know of someone else who has? I would love to see pics. Can't wait to see Stumpy's work on action cars from scratch! HAPPY NEW YEAR! Timboy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67454	From: Roy Meissner	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: Model Railroader 3 DVD set

To answer your question, I'll ask a queation. What do you expect form the disks? I received mine about two weeks ago. They have every page of every Model Railroader magazine from 1934 to 2009. Each page comes up by itself. You can print 1 page or a series of pages. You can look at each issue separately, or put a title or word in the search window to find a specific article. In my opinion, the search engine is not the best. The reason I bought the disks is that I like the older issues for building ideas and the plans. I have most ot the issues of MR, but it is much easier to use the disks fo find an article. If I go to my magazines, I have to dig them out, then find the article, then copy it. With the disks, I just find the article and copy it. If an article has some ads on that page, you have to copy the whole page. You can not block out the ads. I can also free up a lot of shelf space as I don't need those old magazines. I fell it is worth the money. If anyone has any other questions let me know and I will try to answer them. Roy J Meissner ----- Original Message ----- From: johntech To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 1:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Model Railroader 3 DVD set Has anyone picked up the Model Railroader 3 DVD set they are selling for $200.00? Good? Bad? Is it worth it? John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67455	From: Ray Cook	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject

Brady,  I agree 100 per cent. Our layouts becomes our own personal utopia where we get to be King, President, Fuhrer, Lord, all or none of the above.  Don't like diesels? Then your railroad runs on steam.  Don't like Coke?  Everyone in your world drinks Pepsi. Don't like Chevies? Then everyone drives a Ford... or better still, takes the train!    How sweet is that?   Happy new year to all.                    Ray Cook;   Irwin, PA ________________________________ From: Brady Burdge <brady@...> To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: RE:Off subject On 12/30/2011 09:47 AM, Herbert wrote: > > Excellent post. Alistair. A lot of us are wearing the rose colored > glasses of nostalgia, and forgetting reality. > Herb W > > I can remember playing outside until the streetlights came on, no thought of perverts, drive-by shootings and the like.  I didn't know I was "under privileged" until the government told me I was. On the other hand, I didn't have to worry about the Klan hanging my father or bombing my church. Anti-Irish, anti-Catholic or antisemitism?  What's that? Opening Pandora's box  works in either direction.  Go back and there's simpler times for some, oppression for others.  Go forward and the openness that tries to right wrongs also mainstreams behaviors that we'd rather do without. Perhaps that's what we like about model trains.  We can model the south without Jim Crow if we want, use Homies figures as our neighbors. It's our world and these problems don't exist.  God is in his heaven and all is right with the world. Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67456	From: acgilbertguy	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: CIRCUS TRUCK PYRO? OR ALLIED?

I too believe that AF only used the Allied trucks. The Pyro is a little different....thicker bumper and running boards and no circle around the post where the hitch on the circus cage attaches. --- In S-Trains@yahoogroups.com, "flguz" <flguz@...> wrote: > > Someone is selling an AF "PYRO" truck as being original to AF Circus Set. I have always thought that AF had exclusively used Allied. Comments, please. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67457	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Lionel AF Erie Action Car

I got my Lionel AF Erie Action car back from Steve at S n S as again, I believe that stands for Steve and Sam or Sam and Steve, the two partners of S n S. Steve was to redo the DCC wiring for the wheels as he put SHS trucks on the car. The trucks are great and the car runs and works perfect. I highly recommend Steve, as he did the work on the car, for any repairs or DCC work. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67458	From: Thorinn Marty	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Also PA Glass

Gentlemen and (if we are so lucky) Ladies: I know Lionel created clear plastic window inserts for the EP-5. Did someone do the same for the American Flyer Alco PC? If they did, I would like to purchase two. Please contact me off-line, Thank you, Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67459	From: Robert Graves	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: K325 lacks pulling power

In one of the estates I'm selling is a K325 that runs and reverses just fine and smokes terrifically well.  But when I put three passenger cars behind it, it really struggles.  I have to give it a little push to get it started.  It does speed up a bit on a long straightaway, but slows down a lot with the extra strain of going around a curve.  I haven't bothered to try it on an incline.  My K325 pulls those same cars just fine, so it's not a problem of friction in the wheels of the cars. I've cleaned the wheels, brushes, and commutator, and have greased the gears and oiled the linkages and axles.  I don't know what to do next. What might cause this and how do I fix it? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67460	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: Off subject

Ahh, don’t forget the Dictators of the world, as Hugo is the leader and ruler of my layout along with his sidekick Che, as Caesar runs the produce loading dock. Ahh, this all came about since someone on the TCA list did not like my Citgo sign at world famous S Helper Field. The ball club is still waiting for advertising payments to arrive, but I think something big happen to their business plan. So Hugo declared that S Helper Service will have free advertising at the ball park for life. See, Hugo is a nice guy after all. Mike From: Ray Cook Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 12:32 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: RE:Off subject Brady, I agree 100 per cent. Our layouts becomes our own personal utopia where we get to be King, President, Fuhrer, Lord, all or none of the above. Don't like diesels? Then your railroad runs on steam. Don't like Coke? Everyone in your world drinks Pepsi. Don't like Chevies? Then everyone drives a Ford... or better still, takes the train! How sweet is that? Happy new year to all. Ray Cook; Irwin, PA ________________________________ From: Brady Burdge <mailto:brady%40americanflyerlines.net> To: mailto:S-Trains%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: RE:Off subject On 12/30/2011 09:47 AM, Herbert wrote: > > Excellent post. Alistair. A lot of us are wearing the rose colored > glasses of nostalgia, and forgetting reality. > Herb W > > I can remember playing outside until the streetlights came on, no thought of perverts, drive-by shootings and the like. I didn't know I was "under privileged" until the government told me I was. On the other hand, I didn't have to worry about the Klan hanging my father or bombing my church. Anti-Irish, anti-Catholic or antisemitism? What's that? Opening Pandora's box works in either direction. Go back and there's simpler times for some, oppression for others. Go forward and the openness that tries to right wrongs also mainstreams behaviors that we'd rather do without. Perhaps that's what we like about model trains. We can model the south without Jim Crow if we want, use Homies figures as our neighbors. It's our world and these problems don't exist. God is in his heaven and all is right with the world. Brady Burdge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Enjoy thousands of great photos at http://MyFlyerTrains.org/gallery/Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67461	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: Off Topic (Nostalgia)

Those of you who remember the good old days when they really built sturdy cars out of heavy metal and you thought you were safer, might want to look at the following:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aDs1sHJLFE&feature=fvst   Joe Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road.#########################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge.######################.American Flyer Parts Dealer ###################Authorized Lionel Service Center################### ............Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,300 part numbers............ American Models.###.DesPlaines Hobbies.###.S-Helper Service Showcase Line joestrainrepair@....#####XX######.Master Card/Visa/Discover honored [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67462	From: Dave at LBR Enterprises	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: K325 lacks pulling power

Robert,      Sounds like your motor field or E unit is going out. Dave LBR Enterprises,llc   --- On Sat, 12/31/11, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: [S-Trains] K325 lacks pulling power To: "s-trains list" <s-trains@...> Date: Saturday, December 31, 2011, 3:35 PM   In one of the estates I'm selling is a K325 that runs and reverses just fine and smokes terrifically well.  But when I put three passenger cars behind it, it really struggles.  I have to give it a little push to get it started.  It does speed up a bit on a long straightaway, but slows down a lot with the extra strain of going around a curve.  I haven't bothered to try it on an incline.  My K325 pulls those same cars just fine, so it's not a problem of friction in the wheels of the cars. I've cleaned the wheels, brushes, and commutator, and have greased the gears and oiled the linkages and axles.  I don't know what to do next. What might cause this and how do I fix it? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67463	From: Sheila Seccia	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: K325 lacks pulling power

Hi Robert, If the three passenger car are the 660 series metal cars you will have problems.  I believe these cars are over a pound each.  Did you try running some freight cars?  Factory specifications for a 325 are as follows; Tested at 12 Volts using 140" oval track, Load-Not to draw mare than 2.1 Amps while pulling 4 box cars at  12 volts.  See if this helps you. Happy New Year, Tom Seccia ________________________________ From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> To: s-trains list <s-trains@...> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 3:35 PM Subject: [S-Trains] K325 lacks pulling power   In one of the estates I'm selling is a K325 that runs and reverses just fine and smokes terrifically well.  But when I put three passenger cars behind it, it really struggles.  I have to give it a little push to get it started.  It does speed up a bit on a long straightaway, but slows down a lot with the extra strain of going around a curve.  I haven't bothered to try it on an incline.  My K325 pulls those same cars just fine, so it's not a problem of friction in the wheels of the cars. I've cleaned the wheels, brushes, and commutator, and have greased the gears and oiled the linkages and axles.  I don't know what to do next. What might cause this and how do I fix it? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67464	From: Mark Speichert	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: K325 lacks pulling power

Hello,it might be that the armature is dished out and that will make a differance. If that is the problem you will need to machine the armature flat again. Mark --- On Sat, 12/31/11, Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> wrote: From: Robert Graves <theupstairstrain@...> Subject: [S-Trains] K325 lacks pulling power To: "s-trains list" <s-trains@...> Date: Saturday, December 31, 2011, 3:35 PM   In one of the estates I'm selling is a K325 that runs and reverses just fine and smokes terrifically well.  But when I put three passenger cars behind it, it really struggles.  I have to give it a little push to get it started.  It does speed up a bit on a long straightaway, but slows down a lot with the extra strain of going around a curve.  I haven't bothered to try it on an incline.  My K325 pulls those same cars just fine, so it's not a problem of friction in the wheels of the cars. I've cleaned the wheels, brushes, and commutator, and have greased the gears and oiled the linkages and axles.  I don't know what to do next. What might cause this and how do I fix it? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67465	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: K325 lacks pulling power

Probably a high resistance in the Reverse unit finger/drum contacts. Steve In a message dated 12/31/2011 2:08:01 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, theupstairstrain@... writes: In one of the estates I'm selling is a K325 that runs and reverses just fine and smokes terrifically well. But when I put three passenger cars behind it, it really struggles. I have to give it a little push to get it started. It does speed up a bit on a long straightaway, but slows down a lot with the extra strain of going around a curve. I haven't bothered to try it on an incline. My K325 pulls those same cars just fine, so it's not a problem of friction in the wheels of the cars. I've cleaned the wheels, brushes, and commutator, and have greased the gears and oiled the linkages and axles. I don't know what to do next. What might cause this and how do I fix it? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67466	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: Off Topic (Nostalgia)

Well, I would hope that 50 years of advanced technology would garner some noticeable advances in safety. However, I defy you to put that same '59 Chevy up against any of the Volkswagens, Toyotas or Datsuns/Nissans of the 70's/80's/90's and early 2000s. Bruce From: Joseph Haenn Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 2:36 PM To: S Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Off Topic (Nostalgia) Those of you who remember the good old days when they really built sturdy cars out of heavy metal and you thought you were safer, might want to look at the following: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aDs1sHJLFE&feature=fvst Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67467	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Seaboard Baldwin's

I am working with someone to purchase a set of Seaboard Baldwin’s. We do not know the condition of them yet, as he has to get them out for pictures. They have to be in E+. What is interesting is, he told me the 2010 Greenberg book list them for 890 in E, while I have the 2011 Greenberg book and they are listed at 656 in E. Quite a drop. Could this be from the reproduction that Lionel put out. I know prices are falling, but this is 234 drop in a year. YOW! I am not sure what the new TM book as there has not been a train show in the DC area for me to pick one up. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67468	From: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: SUNDAY EVENING S CHAT, 1/1/2012, 8:00 pm

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 67469	From: rj4010d	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: u33's ,challengers,& more

My son just posted some vedios of these new engines.Happy New Year & enjoy the trains on youtube cartrain1. Bob G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67470	From: Dale F. Smith	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: Off Topic (Nostalgia)

Joe, This should cure the nostalgia bug. We need to remember also, that we didn't get this improved crash test performance by the manufacturers simply wanting to make a better product, but rather because it was required by law. Dale On 12/31/2011 2:36 PM, Joseph Haenn wrote: > > Those of you who remember the good old days when they really built > sturdy cars out of heavy metal and you thought you were safer, might > want to look at the following: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aDs1sHJLFE&feature=fvst > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aDs1sHJLFE&feature=fvst> > > Joe > > Joe's Train Repair.###########################.FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 > 404 Shetland Road.#########################.Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge.######################.American Flyer Parts Dealer > ###################Authorized Lionel Service Center################### > ............Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with more than 1,300 part > numbers............ > American Models.###.DesPlaines Hobbies.###.S-Helper Service Showcase Line > joestrainrepair@... > <mailto:joestrainrepair%40yahoo.com>.#####XX######.Master > Card/Visa/Discover honored > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67471	From: Bruce R. DeGailler, Sr.	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: Seaboard Baldwin's

Mike, Unpainted, in excellent condition, is listed at $750.00 and dropping in the 2012 TM Price and Rarity Guide. Bruce From: Michael & Linda Marmer Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 4:29 PM To: S Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Seaboard Baldwin's I am working with someone to purchase a set of Seaboard Baldwin’s. We do not know the condition of them yet, as he has to get them out for pictures. They have to be in E+. What is interesting is, he told me the 2010 Greenberg book list them for 890 in E, while I have the 2011 Greenberg book and they are listed at 656 in E. Quite a drop. Could this be from the reproduction that Lionel put out. I know prices are falling, but this is 234 drop in a year. YOW! I am not sure what the new TM book as there has not been a train show in the DC area for me to pick one up. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67472	From: Daryl Olszeski	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: Seaboard Baldwin's

Mike, The TM Book has them at 750 and going down. On 12/31/2011 7:29 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > > I am working with someone to purchase a set of Seaboard Baldwin’s. > > We do not know the condition of them yet, as he has to get them out > for pictures. > > They have to be in E+. > > What is interesting is, he told me the 2010 Greenberg book list them > for 890 in E, while I have the 2011 Greenberg book and they are listed > at 656 in E. Quite a drop. > > Could this be from the reproduction that Lionel put out. I know prices > are falling, but this is 234 drop in a year. YOW! > > I am not sure what the new TM book as there has not been a train show > in the DC area for me to pick one up. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67473	From: Roy Inman	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: u33's ,challengers,& more

Message says that video is not available. Roy From: rj4010d <bjg@...> Reply-To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 01:24:14 +0000 To: S-trains <S-trains@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [S-Trains] u33's ,challengers,& more My son just posted some vedios of these new engines.Happy New Year & enjoy the trains on youtube cartrain1. Bob G. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67474	From: Michael & Linda Marmer	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: Re: Seaboard Baldwin's

Thanks Daryl and Bruce. That helps. Mike From: Daryl Olszeski Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 7:51 PM To: S-Trains@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Seaboard Baldwin's Mike, The TM Book has them at 750 and going down. On 12/31/2011 7:29 PM, Michael & Linda Marmer wrote: > > I am working with someone to purchase a set of Seaboard Baldwin’s. > > We do not know the condition of them yet, as he has to get them out > for pictures. > > They have to be in E+. > > What is interesting is, he told me the 2010 Greenberg book list them > for 890 in E, while I have the 2011 Greenberg book and they are listed > at 656 in E. Quite a drop. > > Could this be from the reproduction that Lionel put out. I know prices > are falling, but this is 234 drop in a year. YOW! > > I am not sure what the new TM book as there has not been a train show > in the DC area for me to pick one up. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 67475	From: fyrrfytr49	Date: 12/31/2011
Subject: NEW YEARS EVE CHAT #######################################

Something that we started and have done over the past 10 years for all of those sitting around the house tonight ...WITH NOTHING TO DO......MEET AT THE CHAT ROOM ....anytime between 11 and 1 am just to YAK with the Boys....or maybe even our Token Girl if Barb shows up LOL